Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► From Relay FM this is Connected episode 56. Today's show is brought to you by

00:00:13 ◼   ► Squarespace, build it beautiful, Fracture, photos printed in vivid colour directly on glass,

00:00:19 ◼   ► and later on a special message from Stephen Hackett. My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined

00:00:24 ◼   ► by that man Mr Stephen Hackett. Hello sir, how are you?

00:00:26 ◼   ► I'm well today Myke, how are you?

00:00:29 ◼   ► I am very well indeed, I am very well indeed because not only am I speaking to you,

00:00:32 ◼   ► I am speaking to the wonderful Mr Federico Vittucci.

00:00:35 ◼   ► Hey guys!

00:00:36 ◼   ► Hello Federico.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Hi.

00:00:38 ◼   ► Nothing going on in your world today, buddy? You've got a nice quiet week, right?

00:00:43 ◼   ► Uh yeah, sure.

00:00:45 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a nice simple one.

00:00:46 ◼   ► Absolutely. I have nothing to do.

00:00:50 ◼   ► I think we should set this out up front in this episode.

00:00:53 ◼   ► This is not a predictions episode, we're not going into that.

00:00:56 ◼   ► we're actually kind of talking about nothing really that will be in could or

00:01:00 ◼   ► could not be announced tomorrow so if you've gotten this far because you just

00:01:04 ◼   ► wanted to see I'm looking at our topic list right now and aside from us just

00:01:09 ◼   ► saying what we'd like to see in the six plus that's it right so it's not really

00:01:14 ◼   ► a prediction show we're just gonna grumble a little bit and then carry on

00:01:17 ◼   ► from there so don't don't go away everyone let's still talk let's do good

00:01:21 ◼   ► content here should we do some follow-up so stop me talking speaking of good

00:01:25 ◼   ► content. It's long been known that the three of us have the power to curse a company, especially

00:01:32 ◼   ► if they're in the photo management business.

00:01:35 ◼   ► - We're really able to affect change.

00:01:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, it's not good change if you own one of those companies, but it is what

00:01:42 ◼   ► it is. But I have to say that maybe our luck is turning. We've spoken about, of all companies,

00:01:50 ◼   ► God's green earth we've talking about blah blah blah for three weeks of the road

00:01:53 ◼   ► Just

00:01:58 ◼   ► just today

00:02:00 ◼   ► It was announced on tech crunch that friend friend of the show. Mr. Roman delay

00:02:05 ◼   ► Yes

00:02:08 ◼   ► Baba car has just raised 160 million dollars of funding

00:02:13 ◼   ► and

00:02:15 ◼   ► of evaluation

00:02:17 ◼   ► at 1.2 billion dollars

00:02:20 ◼   ► Which puts them in a unique class of businesses and one that I think quite frankly we can

00:02:26 ◼   ► take all the credit for.

00:02:27 ◼   ► Yup.

00:02:28 ◼   ► So it's just a little press Federico that you gave them.

00:02:32 ◼   ► The connected episode where I described the BlaBlaCar service clearly pushed investors

00:02:39 ◼   ► over the edge and convinced them to give BlaBlaCar money and for this crazy valuation also.

00:02:47 ◼   ► Because obviously our show was a bit problematic for photomanagement apps and services, but

00:02:54 ◼   ► maybe we have found our market niche, which is car sharing services.

00:03:01 ◼   ► So if we keep talking about them, we will keep the economy flowing, you know?

00:03:06 ◼   ► Keep all the money going.

00:03:09 ◼   ► And I think we have found our voice and our future is to cover car sharing companies.

00:03:18 ◼   ► I mean it's obvious.

00:03:20 ◼   ► Look at the first one, 160 million investment.

00:03:25 ◼   ► So you know, we connected this transforming in a car sharing show I think.

00:03:33 ◼   ► That's what I'm reading from this follow up.

00:03:35 ◼   ► I think we all did a great job on this.

00:03:38 ◼   ► Do we have a stake in this?

00:03:42 ◼   ► I'll double check that.

00:03:44 ◼   ► I'm not sure how that works, but I think we do.

00:03:46 ◼   ► I think we own them now.

00:03:49 ◼   ► We own the rest of the 1.2 billion, right?

00:03:51 ◼   ► So Inside Ventures owns the 160, we own the rest.

00:03:57 ◼   ► So I told a complete lie.

00:03:59 ◼   ► I'm going to talk about something that might happen tomorrow now.

00:04:02 ◼   ► because I'm not going to be on any of the episodes that talk about the event that happens

00:04:08 ◼   ► tomorrow.

00:04:09 ◼   ► So I could potentially miss, and I just want to remind everyone of my prediction a couple

00:04:13 ◼   ► of weeks ago about the iPad being at the iPhone event and everyone thought I was crazy.

00:04:18 ◼   ► Now there's lots of reports that it will be, so I just wanted to throw a mic that was right

00:04:22 ◼   ► in there, potentially, depending on what happens tomorrow, because this is an important one

00:04:27 ◼   ► for me because it further just pushes my cause into into the minds of the world.

00:04:32 ◼   ► Yeah I mean whatever Myke. Myke was right man. Gotta get on that train Federico.

00:04:38 ◼   ► Oh I got on the train at the first station Myke, believe me. Yeah we talk about the 6+

00:04:46 ◼   ► a little later on, nose tapping, the whole thing. What are you gonna do when the year ends?

00:04:52 ◼   ► To be going to year two?

00:04:55 ◼   ► Oh, year two.

00:04:56 ◼   ► So you're not stopping.

00:04:58 ◼   ► You're continuing this insanity of convincing people that you're right.

00:05:03 ◼   ► It's not insanity, man.

00:05:04 ◼   ► Facts are there.

00:05:05 ◼   ► You should write some kind of self-help book on the topic.

00:05:10 ◼   ► Basically, you convince people of something and then you let them share their achievements

00:05:16 ◼   ► with a hashtag, which is #mikewasright.

00:05:19 ◼   ► I think what I really need to do is build a website of some description or something.

00:05:26 ◼   ► So I'm currently on Hover who are not sponsoring today's episode, but I'm taking a look at

00:05:31 ◼   ► them now to see if I can try and nab myself mikewasright.com and then I can push my calls

00:05:38 ◼   ► further into the internet, right?

00:05:40 ◼   ► Maybe I'll just direct it to the hashtag.

00:05:43 ◼   ► mikewasright.com is not available.

00:05:45 ◼   ► Who has this?

00:05:46 ◼   ► There has to be someone who listens to the show.

00:05:49 ◼   ► This is unacceptable behavior.

00:05:51 ◼   ► Who has michaelsright.com?

00:05:52 ◼   ► - I wonder if I own it.

00:05:54 ◼   ► I might own it, let's see.

00:05:55 ◼   ► - Somebody owns it as a hobbit.

00:05:57 ◼   ► And did you buy that?

00:05:58 ◼   ► Why did you do that?

00:05:59 ◼   ► - I may have.

00:06:01 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:06:02 ◼   ► - Why have you done this to me?

00:06:04 ◼   ► I'm gonna make an offer.

00:06:05 ◼   ► - Your own business partner owns the domain

00:06:08 ◼   ► that you wanted to use as your future career

00:06:10 ◼   ► as a life advisor.

00:06:12 ◼   ► - I'm signing in, let's see if it's mine.

00:06:14 ◼   ► This is really exciting radio.

00:06:16 ◼   ► - This is unacceptable.

00:06:17 ◼   ► This is unacceptable behavior.

00:06:19 ◼   ► Why would you try and buy my brand?

00:06:22 ◼   ► - I don't know if I did.

00:06:23 ◼   ► I'm just seeing if I did.

00:06:24 ◼   ► If I don't own it, Casey List does.

00:06:26 ◼   ► - Someone does.

00:06:27 ◼   ► - Your brand?

00:06:29 ◼   ► - Oh well, they offer who is privacy,

00:06:32 ◼   ► so I probably can't look it up who actually owns it.

00:06:33 ◼   ► Let's see.

00:06:35 ◼   ► - This is turning out to be more complex

00:06:37 ◼   ► than we thought, Myke.

00:06:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, I was just getting ready

00:06:39 ◼   ► to further push my brand into new worlds,

00:06:43 ◼   ► but here we are now, somebody owns it.

00:06:46 ◼   ► This is just ridiculous.

00:06:47 ◼   ► And Steven-- - It's not me.

00:06:48 ◼   ► So this is going to be follow-up next week.

00:06:51 ◼   ► Why, why are people doing this to me? Federico, you need to fix this for me.

00:06:56 ◼   ► It was registered in April of 2015.

00:07:02 ◼   ► Hmm, but they haven't done anything with it.

00:07:04 ◼   ► It's a recent one.

00:07:06 ◼   ► This is, ladies and gentlemen, what you call a cliffhanger.

00:07:09 ◼   ► I want to move on now, because I'm sad.

00:07:13 ◼   ► So, topic 0.5, yesterday evening I was on Twitter and I saw Benjamin Brooks tweet that

00:07:19 ◼   ► his iPhone on iOS 9 has not been backing up to iCloud.

00:07:25 ◼   ► So I wanted to just make this as a PSA to all listeners, mine isn't and everybody else

00:07:29 ◼   ► that I've spoken to is not.

00:07:31 ◼   ► So if you are on the iOS 9 beta or the public beta, the developer of the public beta, there

00:07:36 ◼   ► is a strong chance that your phone is currently not backing up, which is a problem, so you

00:07:41 ◼   ► you should check that out and back up to your computer or something.

00:07:46 ◼   ► I did see something quite beautiful today though.

00:07:49 ◼   ► I don't know if you guys saw this when I plugged my phone into my computer to

00:07:53 ◼   ► back it up. Uh, I was greeted with a, um,

00:07:57 ◼   ► a message for when my phone was last backed up to iCloud.

00:08:02 ◼   ► Cause you know iTunes tells you like when was it last backed up to iCloud.

00:08:04 ◼   ► It told me it was backed up on the 2nd of August, 1910.

00:08:10 ◼   ► That's impressive.

00:08:12 ◼   ► So I've had my iPhone for about 100 years now,

00:08:16 ◼   ► and I'm happy to say that I love it.

00:08:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, you gotta, you know,

00:08:20 ◼   ► people say that Apple doesn't get cloud services,

00:08:23 ◼   ► but you gotta hand it to them

00:08:25 ◼   ► to keep a backup for over a century.

00:08:27 ◼   ► Some impressive cloud.

00:08:29 ◼   ► (both laughing)

00:08:30 ◼   ► - So there's clearly something going on here.

00:08:33 ◼   ► I don't know what it is,

00:08:34 ◼   ► but you should make sure that you're backing up your iPhone

00:08:38 ◼   ► to your Mac or PC. That would be my advice as Myke's top tip for today.

00:08:43 ◼   ► I Club backups have been passed down from generation to generation.

00:08:50 ◼   ► Ye olde backup.

00:08:54 ◼   ► We need to do some actual topics here because this show is just going off the rails. So

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00:11:16 ◼   ► So Stephen, would you like to tell us about the iPhone 6S Plus?

00:11:21 ◼   ► Yes, I wrote this thing and to remind listeners, Myke, you and I are both on the 6 Plus.

00:11:29 ◼   ► I switched to it from the 6 because you told me to.

00:11:32 ◼   ► Federico, are you using the Plus still?

00:11:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:36 ◼   ► Okay.

00:11:37 ◼   ► So all three of us are in the Plus Club, if you will.

00:11:43 ◼   ► And I sort of, in thinking about what would the 6th S Plus, what could that mean for an

00:11:51 ◼   ► owner of a device that's sort of weird in a lot of ways. The 6 Plus has got the same

00:11:57 ◼   ► internals as the 6 but a much higher resolution display and because of that it sort of runs

00:12:03 ◼   ► into issues and so I kind of broke it down into a couple of things. I think the first

00:12:09 ◼   ► thing and I think the most important thing for the 6 Plus as well as the 6 but definitely

00:12:13 ◼   ► the Plus is to have some more RAM in that thing. We've talked about in the past you

00:12:17 ◼   ► can get your 6 plus in a state where it's stuttery where I have had like audio tearing

00:12:22 ◼   ► and video tearing like very clearly it struggles to catch up sometimes and that seems better

00:12:27 ◼   ► on iOS 9 in the beta than it did in iOS 8 but I think looking at the iPad Air 2 which

00:12:33 ◼   ► I also own, actually all three of us do now, such a better experience having more RAM onboard

00:12:41 ◼   ► for the system to use and so I hope that comes to the 6s plus and I think that's pretty universally

00:12:47 ◼   ► wanted by anybody who kind of knows how these things work.

00:12:52 ◼   ► Would you guys agree?

00:12:54 ◼   ► I mean even on the iOS 9 beta, it hasn't been good for me on the 6 Plus.

00:13:02 ◼   ► You know?

00:13:03 ◼   ► Yeah, I get those.

00:13:04 ◼   ► I still get like, you feel like you can overload it really easily at times, right?

00:13:08 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:13:09 ◼   ► Like I'm listening to a podcast and I'm going to check something on the web and then I go

00:13:12 ◼   ► into multitasking and boom, it dies.

00:13:15 ◼   ► And before that you feel it starts to slow down, right?

00:13:20 ◼   ► It stops registering things and then bang, it goes.

00:13:23 ◼   ► And it's clearly 'cause it just can't deal

00:13:25 ◼   ► with the load that you're putting on it.

00:13:27 ◼   ► Which is something like I never have that problem

00:13:30 ◼   ► on the iPad Air.

00:13:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, no.

00:13:32 ◼   ► - And it's doing way more in some instances,

00:13:34 ◼   ► like running multiple apps at once.

00:13:36 ◼   ► And then I'm playing audio and watching a video

00:13:38 ◼   ► and picture in picture, right?

00:13:39 ◼   ► So it can deal with that, but there's just something

00:13:41 ◼   ► about the combination of, I assume it's like

00:13:44 ◼   ► the pixels that it's trying to draw, right?

00:13:47 ◼   ► The amount where it's trying to,

00:13:49 ◼   ► 'cause it's some crazy resolution, right?

00:13:51 ◼   ► And then they scale it.

00:13:52 ◼   ► Am I remembering that correctly?

00:13:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, no, that's correct.

00:13:55 ◼   ► - So in doing all of that

00:13:56 ◼   ► on top of the standard operations of the phone,

00:13:59 ◼   ► I think that's where it starts to die,

00:14:01 ◼   ► where the other devices don't have that problem

00:14:03 ◼   ► because it's trying to do way more with less power.

00:14:06 ◼   ► So I would love to see that.

00:14:08 ◼   ► That would make me very happy.

00:14:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, there are at least

00:14:13 ◼   ► give it two gigabytes of RAM.

00:14:15 ◼   ► And hopefully with double the amount of memory

00:14:18 ◼   ► should be able to have the same performance

00:14:20 ◼   ► of the iPad Air 2,

00:14:21 ◼   ► even if actually the iPad Air 2 is capable

00:14:23 ◼   ► of showing two apps at once.

00:14:25 ◼   ► But still I agree with Steven and Myke,

00:14:28 ◼   ► more RAM is absolutely needed on the next 6S Plus,

00:14:32 ◼   ► if that's gonna be the name.

00:14:33 ◼   ► - I think that more RAM is just needed

00:14:37 ◼   ► across the board in the products.

00:14:38 ◼   ► - Always needed.

00:14:40 ◼   ► - Like just add it every time.

00:14:42 ◼   ► Send a man to my house and he just puts it in the phone every week.

00:14:45 ◼   ► Like you just plug it in there like those, well, that Project R phone, you know, just

00:14:50 ◼   ► give me a little RAM chip, slot it in, put the case back on, no problem.

00:14:55 ◼   ► Whenever you buy a new device and you plan on keeping that device for a few years or

00:14:59 ◼   ► months there's never gonna be a moment when you say, "Oh man, I wish I bought this device

00:15:03 ◼   ► with less RAM."

00:15:05 ◼   ► You know, you're always gonna want more memory available.

00:15:09 ◼   ► So Apple should, we've seen with the 6 Plus all these problems were not an isolated case.

00:15:17 ◼   ► So the rumors are saying there's going to be double the RAM.

00:15:20 ◼   ► So hopefully we're going to be happy tomorrow, Myke.

00:15:23 ◼   ► I feel like it's got to be a given at this point, right?

00:15:27 ◼   ► You just do that.

00:15:28 ◼   ► It's just the thing that you do.

00:15:29 ◼   ► But we'll have to wait and see.

00:15:31 ◼   ► I think something else I would like at least is a louder speaker out of the 6 Plus.

00:15:37 ◼   ► I don't know if it's something about all of a sudden working from home a lot more or having

00:15:43 ◼   ► gone back to the full size iPad but I use my phone a lot to listen to podcasts just

00:15:49 ◼   ► like walking around the house with the thing jammed in my pocket or out on the desk if

00:15:53 ◼   ► I'm working.

00:15:54 ◼   ► Or when I'm in the bathtub.

00:15:56 ◼   ► Yeah or when you're in the tub and I for one would like more volume out of the thing and

00:16:02 ◼   ► the own beats right?

00:16:03 ◼   ► I mean how many Android phones have we seen with like beats the audio strapped to the

00:16:06 ◼   ► back of it so I think it'd be nice for them to do something. Yeah I would like

00:16:11 ◼   ► that I would like that a lot yeah then this is the thing you don't have to

00:16:14 ◼   ► throw a Beats audio logo on there right oh you could just brand it but just tell

00:16:18 ◼   ► me you're doing something you know I would like that yeah and that and my

00:16:23 ◼   ► next one of the flush camera lens objectively probably more likely in a

00:16:28 ◼   ► a full revision. The camera lens being

00:16:33 ◼   ► a flush drives me crazy because I don't use the case most of the time but

00:16:38 ◼   ► you know in thinking about how they normally do these things that would be a really big

00:16:41 ◼   ► change

00:16:42 ◼   ► for an S revision and so I think

00:16:45 ◼   ► at some point if they do manage to get the camera thin enough again to go back in the

00:16:49 ◼   ► body that

00:16:50 ◼   ► it won't be this week but I can hope. I know that it

00:16:54 ◼   ► doesn't look, I mean it looks ugly like the camera bump

00:16:58 ◼   ► But has it been a problem, like practical usage for you guys?

00:17:02 ◼   ► I wear a case on my phone so I don't even know it's there.

00:17:06 ◼   ► I'd forgotten about it.

00:17:07 ◼   ► See, this is the thing, I don't care about the camera bump because I put a case on it.

00:17:11 ◼   ► And I really do think that the majority of people do that.

00:17:15 ◼   ► Like so...

00:17:16 ◼   ► Yeah, true.

00:17:17 ◼   ► I don't think it's a problem anymore.

00:17:19 ◼   ► I know why it is an issue, I can see why it's an issue, but I think lots, like I would expect

00:17:26 ◼   ► the majority of people that own these devices don't know it's a problem because they just

00:17:30 ◼   ► put a case on it.

00:17:31 ◼   ► Yeah, I agree.

00:17:32 ◼   ► Oh, no, absolutely. I think that's one. I mean, thinking the way that, you know, I'm

00:17:38 ◼   ► sure perhaps there's someone at Apple that looks at that camera bump, it just dies a

00:17:42 ◼   ► little bit inside, but I think they obviously have information that, you know, the vast

00:17:46 ◼   ► majority of people use cases. I mean, I very rarely see people with a naked phone, and

00:17:50 ◼   ► most of the time it's nerds. Like, it's not, you know, the everyday man puts his phone

00:17:54 ◼   ► in a case, and so...

00:17:55 ◼   ► When I think, looking at it now and having this conversation,

00:17:58 ◼   ► when I think about that thought process,

00:18:00 ◼   ► I agree with them, right?

00:18:01 ◼   ► They were like, we can either have this bump,

00:18:05 ◼   ► have a worse camera or the phone is thicker.

00:18:07 ◼   ► If the phone is thicker, the majority of our customers

00:18:10 ◼   ► end up with a thicker phone.

00:18:11 ◼   ► If we just put the camera protruding from the case,

00:18:15 ◼   ► then we end up with the camera that we want

00:18:17 ◼   ► without making the phone too thick.

00:18:19 ◼   ► Like you can clearly see the design trade-off, right?

00:18:22 ◼   ► 'Cause you can't make the 6 Plus any thicker

00:18:24 ◼   ► because nobody would be able to hold it.

00:18:26 ◼   ► So you've got to kind of shave some space off

00:18:29 ◼   ► and you end up just with a camera that sticks out.

00:18:31 ◼   ► I know it's not ideal

00:18:35 ◼   ► and it's not the prettiest way to make the phone,

00:18:37 ◼   ► but sometimes you really do have to go with function

00:18:40 ◼   ► over form and I think you have the right choice.

00:18:43 ◼   ► - It's not the purest form of industrial design maybe,

00:18:48 ◼   ► but it's very practical when you want to let people

00:18:52 ◼   ► take your pictures and also have a thin phone.

00:18:55 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:18:56 ◼   ► - So if you believe that's the right choice,

00:18:59 ◼   ► it's not a huge issue.

00:19:01 ◼   ► And it's not, I mean, I don't wear a case on my E6 Plus,

00:19:04 ◼   ► you know, and it's fine.

00:19:06 ◼   ► I don't mind the fact that it's not perfectly flush

00:19:10 ◼   ► on my desk when I put the iPhone there.

00:19:13 ◼   ► So I don't think we're gonna see a revision this year,

00:19:17 ◼   ► but maybe next year, you know,

00:19:18 ◼   ► Apple even bought that camera company a few months ago.

00:19:21 ◼   ► What camera company?

00:19:22 ◼   ► It doesn't matter, right? A camera company, right?

00:19:26 ◼   ► Some kind of lens company, I think I remember.

00:19:30 ◼   ► Or sensor company, I don't know.

00:19:32 ◼   ► It would surprise me if they made their own lenses.

00:19:34 ◼   ► I mean, because there are people that, you know, those Sony lenses,

00:19:37 ◼   ► they use Sony lenses, don't they?

00:19:39 ◼   ► And they're incredible. But hey, it's Apple, right?

00:19:42 ◼   ► Yeah, you never know.

00:19:44 ◼   ► So there we go. What else?

00:19:49 ◼   ► Someone, one of you guys put in better touch ID?

00:19:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, me.

00:19:54 ◼   ► I really think even the touch ID,

00:19:58 ◼   ► the improved sensor on the iPhone 6 and the 6 Plus

00:20:02 ◼   ► still could use some adjustments.

00:20:04 ◼   ► So it's much better than the original touch ID

00:20:07 ◼   ► on the iPhone 5S.

00:20:09 ◼   ► And it's gotten faster and it recognizes my fingerprint

00:20:12 ◼   ► in more, in different scenarios.

00:20:15 ◼   ► But still, in the summer especially,

00:20:17 ◼   ► has been a problem for me to get the Touch ID to recognize my thumb.

00:20:24 ◼   ► So the thing is, I think this is an iOS 9 problem because I'm having issues on both

00:20:29 ◼   ► of my devices that I weren't having before.

00:20:31 ◼   ► Sometimes it recognizes my thumbprint and then just asks me for it again.

00:20:37 ◼   ► So I think that you may be in your mind thinking, "Oh, because I'm out in the world and I'm

00:20:42 ◼   ► getting wet in the sea," and that kind of stuff.

00:20:44 ◼   ► I think it's just you're running iOS 9 and iOS 9, I think, has some touch ID issues.

00:20:49 ◼   ► Could be, but that's another case of you can never have enough of it.

00:20:54 ◼   ► Just like RAM, having a better touch ID sensor is always going to be better because you make

00:21:00 ◼   ► sure that you future-proof the sensor for any kind of possible future scenario in which

00:21:05 ◼   ► the user may want to unlock a device using touch ID.

00:21:08 ◼   ► So if you keep making it better, it's always going to be welcome.

00:21:11 ◼   ► Yeah, faster, faster, faster.

00:21:13 ◼   ► it's quick but it would be great if it was just immediately when I put my thumb

00:21:17 ◼   ► on the knob, you know? Faster, faster, faster.

00:21:21 ◼   ► So I do hope they're gonna say and we made it even, I don't know,

00:21:27 ◼   ► 20% faster. Doesn't matter, just make it faster every year and I'm happy.

00:21:31 ◼   ► So I have a couple of things that I want. A new vibrate motor, so it would be really

00:21:35 ◼   ► nice if we had the Taptic thing providing it worked. I'm not sure if

00:21:41 ◼   ► you'd necessarily feel the taps if it was in your pocket. I don't know if it's

00:21:44 ◼   ► strong enough but I just want a vibrate motor that is an audible and you know if

00:21:50 ◼   ► you think the 6 is loud the 6 plus it's basically louder than the phone ringing

00:21:55 ◼   ► it's ridiculous it's I don't know what they put in this thing but it is

00:21:59 ◼   ► incredibly loud like I don't have any notifications on my phone anymore like

00:22:04 ◼   ► it's constantly on do not disturb and I put it that way before I even got the

00:22:08 ◼   ► watch because the vibrate motor is so loud it was kind of pointless. So I would

00:22:13 ◼   ► love to see them refine that a little bit. And I would also like some software

00:22:18 ◼   ► changes in iOS to complement the 6s+. I think the landscape keyboard needs to

00:22:24 ◼   ► be scrapped and started again. It was a good idea but the implementation is

00:22:29 ◼   ► terrible. It's a disaster. Yeah, it should be a split keyboard in my opinion or you

00:22:34 ◼   ► should have the option to do that. I was talking to Gray about this a couple of

00:22:37 ◼   ► days ago because he uses his 6+ in landscape quite a lot and he believes

00:22:42 ◼   ► which makes a lot of sense take those buttons that are on the edges put those

00:22:45 ◼   ► in the middle and then have the keyboard split out a little bit more because

00:22:49 ◼   ► trying to with if anyone with even with monster hands like I have it is really

00:22:54 ◼   ► difficult to hit those middle keys when you're holding the device naturally so I

00:22:59 ◼   ► think that would be great I would also like to see folders like on the 6+ like

00:23:04 ◼   ► they are on the iPad. More apps in a folder, better previews of what's in there. I would

00:23:09 ◼   ► really like to see just Apple take more advantage of the screen size in general on the 6s Plus.

00:23:16 ◼   ► Because developers have done a pretty decent job of it overall, I think. But Apple, I think,

00:23:22 ◼   ► is still lacking in some parts where they started off with good intentions, but I feel

00:23:25 ◼   ► like they could still follow those through.

00:23:28 ◼   ► Yeah, I feel like there's always going to be a tension between the fact that the iPhone

00:23:34 ◼   ► is meant to be using portrait and landscape is an option.

00:23:38 ◼   ► So maybe we're never going to see the kind of specific designs as we're seeing on the

00:23:45 ◼   ► iPad, which is really meant to be used in two different orientations.

00:23:49 ◼   ► And on the iPhone, on the 6 Plus, it always feels like it's nice to have, but it's not

00:23:55 ◼   ► essential.

00:23:56 ◼   ► So I wonder if that's keeping Apple from going all the way into making landscape designs

00:24:02 ◼   ► and features?

00:24:03 ◼   ► Well, my feeling is if you're going to go and do something as crazy as reachability

00:24:07 ◼   ► and break the UI in such an ugly way, then you could put a little bit more time into

00:24:11 ◼   ► other parts of the OS.

00:24:13 ◼   ► I feel like if you're going to do that, which is, I mean, nobody likes the way reachability

00:24:18 ◼   ► looks in any scenario.

00:24:20 ◼   ► I think it would be nice for them to kind of follow that thinking through and do things

00:24:25 ◼   ► that are better for the usability rather than just the look.

00:24:29 ◼   ► That's my feeling on that.

00:24:32 ◼   ► Agreed.

00:24:33 ◼   ► I agree.

00:24:34 ◼   ► You're right, Myke.

00:24:35 ◼   ► I think we're right.

00:24:36 ◼   ► Even in this discussion.

00:24:37 ◼   ► Well, we know this.

00:24:38 ◼   ► We know this.

00:24:40 ◼   ► We don't even need to say it.

00:24:42 ◼   ► Let's talk about this Apple gaming Twitter account quickly.

00:24:46 ◼   ► So I don't know what they're doing.

00:24:49 ◼   ► Let's, wait, let's have Steven talk about this Twitter account because he seems ecstatic

00:24:54 ◼   ► about this addition to his timeline. Stephen, can you tell us about this account?

00:25:00 ◼   ► Oh, it's not an addition to my timeline anymore. So, when was this? This was late last week.

00:25:09 ◼   ► A @appstoregames account emerged from the...

00:25:15 ◼   ► Ether.

00:25:16 ◼   ► The ashes?

00:25:17 ◼   ► The ashes, exactly.

00:25:18 ◼   ► What's left for Twitter.

00:25:24 ◼   ► So it is the, according to the bio, the game editors at the app store tweeting about games,

00:25:34 ◼   ► about specials, about all sorts of things.

00:25:38 ◼   ► And that's fine, and I think that obviously it's funny that it's the week before the event.

00:25:46 ◼   ► I guess I wanted to go ahead and get this out there, but clearly Apple is taking the

00:25:53 ◼   ► thing more seriously than ever and Apple is not one to do much on social media

00:25:58 ◼   ► officially I mean there's iTunes accounts, the iBook store is an account

00:26:01 ◼   ► now this Apple itself as a corporation does not have a Twitter account where a

00:26:05 ◼   ► lot of other companies do. I think it's great I think it's it's clearly

00:26:10 ◼   ► that they're making a push here but I think that they're doing a lot of things

00:26:15 ◼   ► wrong with the Twitter account mainly they did this Q&A. I feel like I have to

00:26:22 ◼   ► jump in here. They are doing things incredibly right, we just don't like them.

00:26:28 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean they got 88,000 followers in five days.

00:26:33 ◼   ► Basically, my feeling on this is I feel this way now because I'm looking at their Twitter

00:26:38 ◼   ► stream on Twitter.com and this thing is like it may as well have been made by a Twitter

00:26:43 ◼   ► marketing manager, like not even somebody who works at Apple. There are GIFs everywhere,

00:26:48 ◼   ► There are videos everywhere.

00:26:50 ◼   ► They do things that we find annoying.

00:26:53 ◼   ► The thing that I know you're gonna say is,

00:26:54 ◼   ► which drives me crazy as well,

00:26:55 ◼   ► they do these Q&As and retweet every answer.

00:26:58 ◼   ► I just can't.

00:26:59 ◼   ► But the great thing about it is they hashtag it all.

00:27:02 ◼   ► So you can just mute it, which I've done.

00:27:04 ◼   ► But basically what this is,

00:27:06 ◼   ► is it's just this really interesting way

00:27:09 ◼   ► that Apple are doing marketing.

00:27:10 ◼   ► This is like really heavy marketing for the App Store

00:27:15 ◼   ► in a way that we've never seen before.

00:27:17 ◼   ► So they're doing a few things every day basically.

00:27:22 ◼   ► They're breaking things down into different sections.

00:27:25 ◼   ► They're doing Q&A, so they have every day,

00:27:29 ◼   ► so I'm looking at this on the site, right?

00:27:31 ◼   ► On Mondays, they do a Monday preview,

00:27:33 ◼   ► so an exclusive look at the hottest upcoming games.

00:27:35 ◼   ► Tuesday is Unstuck, where they give tips

00:27:38 ◼   ► for people that are getting stuck in certain games.

00:27:41 ◼   ► Wednesday is the Like a Pro Day,

00:27:42 ◼   ► where they show mind-blowing skills

00:27:44 ◼   ► from the best players in the world.

00:27:47 ◼   ► also on Wednesdays is the App Store Challenge, one game, one challenge once a week. They're

00:27:51 ◼   ► doing the game showcase on Saturdays, okay so clearly it's not every day, and they're

00:27:57 ◼   ► showcasing games on Saturdays and they do these App Store chats as well. So it's like,

00:28:03 ◼   ► I don't think this is coming from the games editors because it's too much, right? There's

00:28:07 ◼   ► so much going on here and what I have noticed Federico, you've probably seen this as well

00:28:11 ◼   ► because I'm sure you're locked into this stuff, the App Store account seems to have gone up

00:28:16 ◼   ► of gear as well in the last couple of days. I saw them today, just the general App Store,

00:28:22 ◼   ► they were tweeting about App Store deals, which I've never seen before. So there's something

00:28:28 ◼   ► going on at Apple with App Store marketing. I think this is just an overall good thing.

00:28:33 ◼   ► Whether we like it or not, and there are things that really frustrate me about the way that

00:28:38 ◼   ► they do stuff just because it's not the way that I work with Twitter, you know? Like,

00:28:42 ◼   ► Like seeing these retweets from people in a Q&A that I'm not necessarily wanting to

00:28:48 ◼   ► read but I'm seeing it anyway.

00:28:50 ◼   ► I think this type of marketing is very different and I think that is for them anyway and I

00:28:56 ◼   ► think this is a good thing.

00:29:00 ◼   ► It is.

00:29:01 ◼   ► You know, the kind of modern Twitter experience or marketing that maybe some of us don't fully

00:29:10 ◼   ► get in especially when you're using apps that are on Twitter.

00:29:14 ◼   ► So with no autoplay,

00:29:17 ◼   ► with the support for muting hashtags,

00:29:21 ◼   ► which you cannot do in the Twitter app,

00:29:23 ◼   ► we can avoid and we can also

00:29:27 ◼   ► customize the experience in a different way than most users.

00:29:31 ◼   ► Clearly, here the app store is trying to

00:29:33 ◼   ► reach the kind of audience that opens Twitter,

00:29:37 ◼   ► straight to the top of the timeline,

00:29:38 ◼   ► checks out a video or two, some GIFs, and doesn't mind a Q&A because they're not as

00:29:44 ◼   ► into the idea of a perfectly curated timeline as we are.

00:29:49 ◼   ► So it feels very, I want to say made for teenagers, but it's not just teenagers.

00:29:57 ◼   ► It's like, you know, even the casual users who don't use Twitter and Facebook differently

00:30:03 ◼   ► from us.

00:30:04 ◼   ► And I wouldn't be surprised actually to see some big App Store changes tomorrow.

00:30:13 ◼   ► The way that this App Store games account was introduced and some tweets from Apple

00:30:19 ◼   ► people on Twitter about tomorrow's event, they just seem to suggest that even if just

00:30:26 ◼   ► for the Apple TV and games on the Apple TV, there's going to be some kind of major App

00:30:32 ◼   ► announcement in that it looks, at least the feeling that I get, is that it's not just

00:30:38 ◼   ► going to be App Store games from the iPhone and iPad put onto the TV.

00:30:43 ◼   ► It's going to be something more.

00:30:45 ◼   ► I don't know if that more is the interface.

00:30:48 ◼   ► I mean the interface has to be different.

00:30:49 ◼   ► I don't know if it's different pricing models or different tools for developers to advertise

00:30:55 ◼   ► an Apple TV game, but I feel like it's not going to be just the iOS App Store put onto

00:31:01 ◼   ► the big screen. That's what I feel, that's also what I hope. So maybe the two, you know,

00:31:07 ◼   ► these two are mixing. My thoughts? I don't know.

00:31:12 ◼   ► The more they go down this road, the more I think there's going to be two stores.

00:31:16 ◼   ► Yeah. That was my immediate reaction. I saw the App Store account and I was like, they're

00:31:22 ◼   ► going to split the apps and games on the App Store. Now there's pros and cons.

00:31:27 ◼   ► I don't necessarily think they're going to do that tomorrow.

00:31:29 ◼   ► Yeah, me neither.

00:31:30 ◼   ► But I just can see now, I think they are going to do it.

00:31:34 ◼   ► I wouldn't be surprised if on the Apple TV home screen,

00:31:38 ◼   ► there's different icons to open the App Store for games and apps.

00:31:44 ◼   ► Even if it's just the same App Store, but two icons to, you know,

00:31:49 ◼   ► to go to different parts of the App Store.

00:31:52 ◼   ► Because this Twitter account and again, the general excitement from Apple people on Twitter

00:32:00 ◼   ► who are probably tweeting, by the way, so it's kind of strange.

00:32:03 ◼   ► But still, it seems to suggest that it's not just a Twitter account.

00:32:08 ◼   ► There are some changes afoot.

00:32:10 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:32:12 ◼   ► I really don't think they're going to do iOS games on the Apple TV, by the way.

00:32:16 ◼   ► Like, straight port and conversions without anything new.

00:32:19 ◼   ► But you can't do it. The control mechanism is completely different.

00:32:23 ◼   ► Yeah, but even just the general policy.

00:32:26 ◼   ► you know, Apple likes to always do new software that's really optimized for the device it runs on.

00:32:32 ◼   ► So saying, yeah, you got Angry Birds on your phone, like you can play Angry Birds on the TV.

00:32:37 ◼   ► I don't think that's what we're gonna see. Well, you know, 24 hours left, so.

00:32:42 ◼   ► Steven, do you want to take us for a break? Yeah, that sounds good. We spoke last week a little bit

00:32:50 ◼   ► about St. Jude and we had a spot open on the show this week and I wanted to point people

00:32:57 ◼   ► to this link that'll be in the show notes and be on the page when the episode goes up.

00:33:04 ◼   ► St. Jude is a children's research hospital here in Memphis, Tennessee where I was driving

00:33:12 ◼   ► by this place and you just kind of see it off the interstate, kind of a bunch of weird

00:33:15 ◼   ► looking pink stucco buildings and really didn't understand the, just what they did and how

00:33:21 ◼   ► special it was until 2009.

00:33:24 ◼   ► My wife and I had a six month old, our oldest, and he was diagnosed with a brain tumor two

00:33:31 ◼   ► or three days after his six month checkup.

00:33:34 ◼   ► And we went very quickly from diagnosis to surgery and to treatment and were admitted

00:33:42 ◼   ► to St. Jude, which is a hospital and research institution

00:33:47 ◼   ► that really is a special place.

00:33:50 ◼   ► No child is denied treatment based on race, religion,

00:33:54 ◼   ► or a family's ability to pay.

00:33:57 ◼   ► All through those things are just,

00:33:59 ◼   ► are at the heart of what they do.

00:34:01 ◼   ► I've met so many people over the years

00:34:03 ◼   ► from all over the world, all different types of countries,

00:34:07 ◼   ► all different types of people,

00:34:09 ◼   ► and St. Jude covers the cost of their care.

00:34:12 ◼   ► In our son's case, that's millions of dollars now.

00:34:14 ◼   ► He's been a patient for six years.

00:34:16 ◼   ► And we would be just ruined financially

00:34:19 ◼   ► if it were not for that clause in their mission statement.

00:34:24 ◼   ► Today, our son is doing great.

00:34:26 ◼   ► He's in first grade, he's running around.

00:34:29 ◼   ► He's playing with his younger brother and sister

00:34:31 ◼   ► and just a normal, almost seven year old.

00:34:35 ◼   ► And that is all thanks to the amazing care at St. Jude.

00:34:38 ◼   ► So we would love you to go check it out

00:34:41 ◼   ► you never have come across it or you've just seen their ads out and about and just go read

00:34:47 ◼   ► about it, I think you'll really be moved. Like I said, there's a link in the show notes.

00:34:51 ◼   ► I'm running this fundraising race they do every December and I'm running it for the

00:34:58 ◼   ► first time which is going to be very interesting. I've been doing some training and I would

00:35:04 ◼   ► love you to help meet my goal of raising $5,000 for that. So check out the link

00:35:10 ◼   ► and thanks.

00:35:12 ◼   ► Let's smash it guys. That'd be great. We'd appreciate it.

00:35:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:16 ◼   ► Let's talk about the elephant in the room which is the fact that there's no more

00:35:22 ◼   ► fun in Apple announcements anymore. And the elephant is in the shape of Mark

00:35:27 ◼   ► German right like no there's no poor guy in this scenario he's doing just fine

00:35:37 ◼   ► German in the last couple of years has really kicked it up a notch and he has

00:35:45 ◼   ► access that nobody else seems to have or at least he is willing to print things

00:35:51 ◼   ► that maybe other people aren't I don't know the details of how this this stuff

00:35:55 ◼   ► works but it is undeniable that his sources are incredible and I think you

00:36:00 ◼   ► know I've come to really enjoy his writing in general I think he's very

00:36:03 ◼   ► good at breaking all this stuff down and some of the scoops that he has been

00:36:07 ◼   ► getting recently it's simply just stuff that nobody else has and due to its

00:36:13 ◼   ► nature kind of every time he publishes a post no you know I don't think any of us

00:36:19 ◼   ► can resist it we all just want to go and read it it's like sneaking a look at

00:36:23 ◼   ► birthday presents, right? You know they're in the cupboard and you go and take a look and you

00:36:28 ◼   ► don't like the fact that you know but you couldn't help yourself anyway. Because leading up to this

00:36:33 ◼   ► announcement he is just basically every couple of days breaking some more news and rumors.

00:36:39 ◼   ► And we're, you know, we've all been watching this stuff and following this stuff for long enough,

00:36:47 ◼   ► for where this stuff wasn't the case. There were always rumors but there were never leaks to this

00:36:52 ◼   ► this kind of, there were never leaks to this extent, I think.

00:36:57 ◼   ► And definitely now, when we're going into Apple events,

00:37:02 ◼   ► we're not going in with a list of hopes,

00:37:05 ◼   ► we're going in with a checklist,

00:37:07 ◼   ► and it makes it very different.

00:37:09 ◼   ► And I don't begrudge the work that Mark Gurman does.

00:37:12 ◼   ► If I got the access that he had, all this show would be

00:37:15 ◼   ► is just me telling you guys about all the stuff

00:37:18 ◼   ► that I've found out.

00:37:19 ◼   ► No one, if you got this, you're gonna print it.

00:37:22 ◼   ► And I don't begrudge him of that,

00:37:23 ◼   ► and I enjoy reading his work,

00:37:25 ◼   ► but it has significantly changed the way that I feel

00:37:30 ◼   ► towards these Apple events.

00:37:31 ◼   ► And I wonder how you guys feel about that.

00:37:33 ◼   ► - Myke, I tend to agree with you.

00:37:35 ◼   ► I was thinking about this yesterday and earlier this morning.

00:37:41 ◼   ► I remember back years and years ago with the G4 Cube,

00:37:47 ◼   ► funny little Power Mac Apple made for about a year,

00:37:50 ◼   ► and then they stopped making it.

00:37:52 ◼   ► I remember that the specifications

00:37:56 ◼   ► for the video card leaked.

00:37:58 ◼   ► 'Cause there was rumors that Apple's gonna do

00:38:00 ◼   ► a small power Mac and then basically the video card leaked

00:38:03 ◼   ► and people kinda put two and two together and said,

00:38:05 ◼   ► "Oh my gosh, it's the real machine."

00:38:06 ◼   ► And that was over a decade ago.

00:38:09 ◼   ► And I remember that kinda being a moment of like,

00:38:11 ◼   ► holy cow, like really big story from Apple,

00:38:15 ◼   ► you know, is out there.

00:38:19 ◼   ► Likewise, they had, you know, a couple times over the years had specifications for upcoming

00:38:24 ◼   ► Macs published on their website, you know, accidentally, and then they'd pull them down

00:38:28 ◼   ► and there'd be screenshots on Mac rumors and think secret way back in the day before Apple

00:38:32 ◼   ► sued the pants off that guy.

00:38:35 ◼   ► So there is a history of rumors and leaks, but I agree with you that it is much more

00:38:42 ◼   ► prevalent today through the work of Gurman.

00:38:44 ◼   ► And you know I do think that there is that sense of excitement that is lost but at the

00:38:53 ◼   ► same time Apple knows that as well.

00:38:56 ◼   ► And so you know Apple jokes about it famously when the iPhone 4 was lost/stolen from a bar

00:39:04 ◼   ► and you know Gizmodo had pictures of it and the whole thing.

00:39:09 ◼   ► Steve Jobs gets on stage and said hey you think you've seen this before but you know

00:39:12 ◼   ► haven't really seen this before and it goes on to explain you know run a display and whatnot so

00:39:17 ◼   ► apple lives in a world where they know this is true and i think it's it's up to them now of

00:39:22 ◼   ► maybe instead of having an event that's exciting in the way that um the news is

00:39:28 ◼   ► sort of ruined a little bit i think they have to create an event where they

00:39:33 ◼   ► the excitement is now in the details of how they do it and you know yes we know that the

00:39:41 ◼   ► you know these new phones apparently have force touch or something like force touch.

00:39:46 ◼   ► So if that's blown then Apple has to tell the story of why that's important

00:39:51 ◼   ► and why that's exciting. The thing itself is not enough anymore and I think long

00:39:56 ◼   ► term that's actually an interesting problem for Apple to solve even if it

00:39:59 ◼   ► means that you know going into tomorrow is not not as exciting and I would just

00:40:08 ◼   ► add real quick that if you're a journalist and you cover this stuff I

00:40:11 ◼   ► I know a lot of people who have articles kind of pre-written

00:40:14 ◼   ► and they can just drop in the details

00:40:15 ◼   ► and publish very quickly.

00:40:16 ◼   ► So from the journalist perspective,

00:40:18 ◼   ► it's kind of nice to have some idea

00:40:20 ◼   ► of what you're gonna be writing about tomorrow.

00:40:22 ◼   ► But that's a real weird side effect.

00:40:25 ◼   ► - It's been especially impressive to see Germin go

00:40:31 ◼   ► over the past few years from finding out information

00:40:34 ◼   ► about features and feature devices

00:40:36 ◼   ► by looking into the iOS betas and the SDK

00:40:40 ◼   ► to having a full-on access to sources at Apple

00:40:45 ◼   ► who clearly know what's happening,

00:40:47 ◼   ► not just in terms of features or screen resolutions,

00:40:51 ◼   ► but entire feature sets of new devices

00:40:55 ◼   ► and the accessories and the price points

00:40:57 ◼   ► and the release dates.

00:40:58 ◼   ► This clearly is someone with deep, deep access

00:41:02 ◼   ► to whatever Apple is working on.

00:41:03 ◼   ► And if you've been reading Gherman's work for,

00:41:07 ◼   ► since basically when he began in 2010,

00:41:09 ◼   ► I believe his first leak was about the domain

00:41:13 ◼   ► that Apple had registered for the upcoming iPad.

00:41:16 ◼   ► If you've been reading German as I did

00:41:20 ◼   ► for the past five years, it's been super impressive

00:41:22 ◼   ► to see this guy going from mildly interesting scoops

00:41:26 ◼   ► to full on reports and exposes on what Apple is doing

00:41:31 ◼   ► internally and with products, with PR, all kinds of aspects.

00:41:37 ◼   ► So his work is impressive.

00:41:39 ◼   ► And for these events, I agree with Steven,

00:41:43 ◼   ► the fun is not in the what anymore,

00:41:46 ◼   ► is in the how Apple presents a new product.

00:41:49 ◼   ► And I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple,

00:41:53 ◼   ► if Gherman starts leaking the actual marketing taglines

00:41:57 ◼   ► at some point or website screenshots

00:42:00 ◼   ► before Apple updates apple.com.

00:42:03 ◼   ► I mean, what is left for Gherman to leak at this point?

00:42:06 ◼   ► - Every new product?

00:42:07 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:42:09 ◼   ► Look at the MacBook, right? Like that's probably his crowning achievement.

00:42:13 ◼   ► Months ahead.

00:42:15 ◼   ► And he had every detail. So I don't know where his sources are but it appears that

00:42:24 ◼   ► there were a couple of different places. I feel like there's people in

00:42:28 ◼   ► the background like in the iOS team and then there's got to be somebody in the

00:42:32 ◼   ► marketing team because sometimes he knows the entire picture which from my

00:42:37 ◼   ► very basic understanding of how Apple works, not a lot of employees get that

00:42:42 ◼   ► idea, get the idea of the entire picture, right? If something's secret they

00:42:45 ◼   ► know what they're working on but not the other part. But the people that will know

00:42:49 ◼   ► the entire picture are the marketing teams because they're gonna have to sell

00:42:52 ◼   ► the device, right? So there's got to be somebody in that part of the business

00:42:55 ◼   ► that is feeding a lot of this stuff to him. And you know, I always find it

00:43:00 ◼   ► interesting as to why are they doing it, why do these people do it, I don't know

00:43:03 ◼   ► why they do it. It's certainly interesting but it does significantly

00:43:08 ◼   ► change the way that we approach these things and I completely agree with you

00:43:12 ◼   ► Stephen. Now like Apple has to, they have to surprise in the details because it's

00:43:18 ◼   ► difficult to explain the implementation of something and you know we're always

00:43:21 ◼   ► talking about this right and you know I think one of the big reasons that

00:43:24 ◼   ► everybody was saying about the Apple watch like where's the story where's the

00:43:27 ◼   ► story is because the reveal isn't as exciting anymore right because we had a

00:43:32 ◼   ► we knew it was coming and we knew a lot about the device. And I

00:43:38 ◼   ► wonder what it would have been like if we would have known that much about the

00:43:42 ◼   ► iPhone. I wonder how amazing that announcement would have been.

00:43:46 ◼   ► That announcement was so amazing because all we knew was there'll be one.

00:43:50 ◼   ► That was it. And that is a very very different scenario too. And these are

00:43:55 ◼   ► some of the features that it has. Here is a mock-up of the UI based on

00:43:58 ◼   ► descriptions I have. So it makes 2015 a very different world. But I do

00:44:04 ◼   ► wonder on the other side of it, who are Apple doing these events for? Are they

00:44:09 ◼   ► for us or are they for the general media? Because if it's the general media and the

00:44:13 ◼   ► general populace, they don't know about any of this stuff. They don't read Mac

00:44:17 ◼   ► rumors, they don't read 9 to 5 Mac. So maybe Apple is still doing a lot of that

00:44:21 ◼   ► job, but there may be, you know, not the people are actually watching the

00:44:24 ◼   ► announcements themselves. Yeah I wonder that especially this time you know the

00:44:30 ◼   ► what's the name of the venue it's the Bill Graham Center.

00:44:39 ◼   ► It seats like 25, 3000 people. It's a huge venue and I think

00:44:47 ◼   ► they're bringing more Apple employees to these things but I think too they're

00:44:52 ◼   ► they're inviting a lot more media. I mean think about the watch event last year, you

00:44:56 ◼   ► know it was all the standard people and then it was also editors of fashion magazines and

00:45:00 ◼   ► fashion websites and they had people from the watch community there. And so as Apple

00:45:05 ◼   ► expands out into these other areas they're inviting more different types of press, you

00:45:09 ◼   ► know not just the Jason Sonnels and the John Grubers of the world but people who work for

00:45:14 ◼   ► all sorts of different places. And so I think you know I do think to a degree they are aiming

00:45:24 ◼   ► at the general media who are mainstream media more than they have in the past but not at

00:45:29 ◼   ► the exclusion of other sort of niche content people like we are. But yeah that tomorrow

00:45:37 ◼   ► be interesting it's a big it's a big facility and if it's full it's going to be a lot of

00:45:43 ◼   ► human beings to get in and out of there for, you know, what is really, I mean, what is

00:45:48 ◼   ► really a press conference, right? Like, that's all these things are. They're fancy press

00:45:52 ◼   ► conferences. They're a company announcing products that they sell. It's weird for us

00:45:56 ◼   ► because we follow them so closely that it's sort of like a, like a Super Bowl for us,

00:46:01 ◼   ► but objectively it is just a company announcing products for sale. So that, that sort of excitement

00:46:08 ◼   ► that we have is, is always tapered in my mind, but like sort of just a strange thing in general

00:46:12 ◼   ► to be excited about.

00:46:14 ◼   ► But I don't know, we'll see.

00:46:16 ◼   ► And you know, I think with the leaked stuff

00:46:19 ◼   ► that at any point that could dry up,

00:46:23 ◼   ► either Apple could find the people doing it internally.

00:46:25 ◼   ► I think there's always this thought of people like,

00:46:27 ◼   ► well, you know, is Apple doing this intentionally?

00:46:30 ◼   ► Apple does do that.

00:46:31 ◼   ► Historically, they've done it with the Wall Street Journal

00:46:34 ◼   ► where they have leaked certain things,

00:46:36 ◼   ► or WSJ has like weird access

00:46:38 ◼   ► like the night before a story breaks or something.

00:46:41 ◼   ► but that's not what this is, I don't think.

00:46:45 ◼   ► I mean, you get that the way that Phil Schiller

00:46:47 ◼   ► answered the question at the talk show.

00:46:50 ◼   ► You get that impression that Apple really doesn't like this

00:46:54 ◼   ► and so they could either find the people who are leaking,

00:46:58 ◼   ► they could put, if they have a person

00:47:03 ◼   ► that they think is doing it,

00:47:07 ◼   ► they could leak them bad information.

00:47:08 ◼   ► If that bad information comes out,

00:47:09 ◼   ► I mean, that sort of stuff does happen

00:47:11 ◼   ► and not just at Apple, that happens in all sorts of companies.

00:47:14 ◼   ► It's just famous with Apple because Apple's the biggest

00:47:16 ◼   ► tech company in the world.

00:47:18 ◼   ► But I do think that at some point,

00:47:20 ◼   ► this could stop or could slow down.

00:47:24 ◼   ► I think right now, the government has a lot of people,

00:47:27 ◼   ► which is great, it's a heck of a way to start a career.

00:47:31 ◼   ► But I do think that just because it's this way now,

00:47:35 ◼   ► I don't know if it will always be that way,

00:47:36 ◼   ► or I think it may come and go.

00:47:38 ◼   ► because people might just move on in the company

00:47:42 ◼   ► or move to a different area or make it caught.

00:47:44 ◼   ► If I were in that position,

00:47:48 ◼   ► I don't know what would make me do it.

00:47:51 ◼   ► 'Cause I would guarantee you it's fireable immediately.

00:47:54 ◼   ► But I do like you Myke, I do wonder why people do it.

00:48:00 ◼   ► - Can I just tell you guys how excited I am

00:48:02 ◼   ► by the iPad Pro?

00:48:07 ◼   ► looks like it's gonna be quite a monster I'm interested to see what what they're

00:48:13 ◼   ► gonna do with this and we'll see tomorrow I will see a delayed time yeah

00:48:18 ◼   ► because you're getting out of a plane old school baby I'll be checking the

00:48:22 ◼   ► blogs and yeah it's a I'll be I'll be filling it for you and upgrade tomorrow

00:48:27 ◼   ► we'll be a good live yeah you should tune into that Steven will be talking to

00:48:32 ◼   ► Jason pretty much as soon as after the event as possible to get Jason's

00:48:38 ◼   ► opinions on how the event went and also any stuff that he got a hands-on with so

00:48:43 ◼   ► that will be a lot of fun to tune into that tomorrow relay.fm/upgrade

00:48:47 ◼   ► it will be streaming live so you should follow the _relayfm

00:48:52 ◼   ► twitter account to see when that's gonna happen because I don't know if I don't

00:48:56 ◼   ► know if you guys have agreed to a time but I expect it's gonna just be whenever

00:48:59 ◼   ► you can do it right yeah that's basically yep because we have no idea

00:49:04 ◼   ► how long it's gonna run so yeah I'll be tweeting when we get a rough idea but it

00:49:09 ◼   ► will probably be you know mid to late afternoon to you know and for US

00:49:15 ◼   ► listeners so yep but that's always a fun episode so you want to tune in for that

00:49:20 ◼   ► so I'm gonna miss it but got a great person feeling for me right should we

00:49:25 ◼   ► take our final break and then Federico I know you have a little topic that you

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00:51:55 ◼   ► So guys I wanted to talk about Slack and how we're using Slack at Mac stories for what

00:52:02 ◼   ► accounts to more than communications, primarily communications, but something a little different

00:52:08 ◼   ► than usual.

00:52:10 ◼   ► And so this discussion is something that I've been thinking about for the past few weeks

00:52:18 ◼   ► because we upgraded to a paid Slack account.

00:52:22 ◼   ► We're a small team, seven people, and I felt like I could really use the unlimited integrations

00:52:29 ◼   ► and the direct email support for Slack because we received quite a bit of email that needs

00:52:37 ◼   ► to be shared across the team.

00:52:41 ◼   ► And a lot of people send me pitches for new apps

00:52:44 ◼   ► and updates over email to my personal account.

00:52:47 ◼   ► And I want my colleagues at McStories

00:52:52 ◼   ► to be able to look at the same email

00:52:55 ◼   ► without me having to forward an email.

00:52:58 ◼   ► You know, it loses the attachment sometimes,

00:53:00 ◼   ► and it adds all the quoted text that I don't like.

00:53:04 ◼   ► Instead, I just want the email with a clean view

00:53:07 ◼   ► to be able to be shown to be displayed to others in Slack.

00:53:12 ◼   ► And with email integration,

00:53:13 ◼   ► I can just have a nice email preview in a Slack channel.

00:53:17 ◼   ► So that with the unlimited integrations

00:53:19 ◼   ► and the additional search features

00:53:21 ◼   ► and all the other options pushed me over the edge.

00:53:24 ◼   ► And I was like, okay, I know that it's a bit of money,

00:53:26 ◼   ► but we're a small team and I wanna start paying for Slack

00:53:29 ◼   ► because I feel it's gonna be an investment

00:53:31 ◼   ► to save us a bit of time every day.

00:53:35 ◼   ► And what I didn't expect was to end up using Slack

00:53:40 ◼   ► as a notifications hub,

00:53:43 ◼   ► as like a shared notifications layer for the entire team,

00:53:47 ◼   ► which is quite surprising and what I wanna discuss with you.

00:53:50 ◼   ► So before using Slack,

00:53:53 ◼   ► we tried many group management services and apps.

00:53:58 ◼   ► We went from iMessage,

00:54:00 ◼   ► which was terrible for group messaging, to Google Hangouts.

00:54:04 ◼   ► Then for many years we used GroupMe, which is I think it's under Microsoft's control now.

00:54:09 ◼   ► And eventually we moved to Slack. And before Slack, whenever something happened, whether it

00:54:17 ◼   ► was an email or a new Apple video on YouTube or a new Apple press release, some kind of major

00:54:23 ◼   ► update, we would have to communicate that change to someone manually, to each other, all the time.

00:54:32 ◼   ► So whether I saw a change, I had to go into our team chat and say, "Hey, this happened."

00:54:39 ◼   ► Maybe I was asleep and nobody else was aware of that change.

00:54:44 ◼   ► Maybe someone else follows a different website than me or maybe someone else is a different

00:54:49 ◼   ► RSS app than me.

00:54:52 ◼   ► So what we see in terms of news and stuff we need to cover on the website is different

00:54:57 ◼   ► from each other.

00:54:58 ◼   ► With Slack, we have unlimited integrations.

00:55:02 ◼   ► So we can play around and connect a bunch of services to Slack.

00:55:07 ◼   ► But what we're doing is we have connected the team chat,

00:55:13 ◼   ► the general channel, it's called in Slack,

00:55:17 ◼   ► to different notification sources.

00:55:20 ◼   ► So we have notifications for new Apple videos on YouTube.

00:55:23 ◼   ► We have notifications for new Apple press releases,

00:55:26 ◼   ► notifications for new iOS and OS X updates,

00:55:31 ◼   ► or new versions of developer betas on the Developer Center.

00:55:36 ◼   ► We have notifications for NewsBlur,

00:55:39 ◼   ► which is the RSS service that I use because it lets me

00:55:44 ◼   ► specify keywords in articles that I find either important,

00:55:50 ◼   ► so that matter to me or useless,

00:55:52 ◼   ► which I don't want to see.

00:55:53 ◼   ► So I've been using NewsBlur for a year.

00:55:56 ◼   ► I have assembled these pretty nice curated list of keywords and tags that we're interested

00:56:05 ◼   ► in.

00:56:06 ◼   ► And so I can use my own curation to expose interesting stuff to other team members.

00:56:12 ◼   ► And we're doing this in two ways.

00:56:14 ◼   ► So we either send notifications to the general channel, and this is useful because it means

00:56:19 ◼   ► that I don't need to be awake or using Slack to notify others about something new from

00:56:27 ◼   ► Twitter or somewhere else because it happens in the cloud.

00:56:32 ◼   ► There's an API that takes care of the news.

00:56:36 ◼   ► They go from whatever they originate to Slack, and everybody sees that at the same time.

00:56:42 ◼   ► So it doesn't depend on me or anyone else.

00:56:45 ◼   ► It's just Slack takes care of that.

00:56:47 ◼   ► And all of these integrations that you're using, are they ones that currently exist,

00:56:50 ◼   ► or have you had to build some yourself?

00:56:52 ◼   ► No, no, they're all...

00:56:53 ◼   ► I don't do any of the custom API or web hooks.

00:56:57 ◼   ► It's just default integrations, just a lot of them.

00:57:01 ◼   ► So I'm pretty sure you would be limited to five with a free account, I think.

00:57:06 ◼   ► Yeah, I think they just upped it, but it's around that, yeah.

00:57:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:11 ◼   ► And no, they're all...

00:57:12 ◼   ► It's no custom integration yet.

00:57:15 ◼   ► We may end up doing some of that later on, but not yet.

00:57:20 ◼   ► And so we're doing the shared notifications in the journal channel and that's turned out

00:57:27 ◼   ► to be quite handy because when I'm not around, when someone else is not around, there's going

00:57:33 ◼   ► to be someone who looks at the notification and decides whether we should cover that on

00:57:38 ◼   ► the website or maybe ping someone else about it.

00:57:43 ◼   ► It feels like it's a notification hub for everyone,

00:57:49 ◼   ► rather than being a manual effort from me or someone else to inform others about it.

00:57:57 ◼   ► We're also doing a separate channel which I call The Aggregator,

00:58:01 ◼   ► which is a channel dedicated to links and news.

00:58:07 ◼   ► So it's only links and it's filtered in a way that it's not too much,

00:58:13 ◼   ► but it can be handy when you wake up in the morning and you want to see what's new

00:58:17 ◼   ► or maybe you haven't been on Twitter in a while and instead of having to find what's new

00:58:23 ◼   ► and what's important, you can just open the aggregator in Slack and take a look at all these bunch of links.

00:58:29 ◼   ► And how are you curating those? Like, so you're not just, it's not just a fire hose of stuff you don't want to see?

00:58:34 ◼   ► It's not a firehose. This is interesting because it uses my own curation to build a stream of stuff

00:58:44 ◼   ► that I think is interesting for Mac stories. So it uses my keywords from NewsBlur. So only the stuff

00:58:52 ◼   ► that I highlight in my RSS goes into the Aggregator channel in Slack. Also, it picks items from Techmem

00:59:03 ◼   ► because usually that's tech related and it's not too much and it's generally interesting for

00:59:10 ◼   ► everyone. It also picks tweets from Product Hunt. So every time Product Hunt highlights some new

00:59:20 ◼   ► Apple product, we get a link in the aggregator. And it also uses my own Nasr account to send me,

00:59:28 ◼   ► to send a notification in the Slack channel every time it's shared by more than five people I follow.

00:59:35 ◼   ► So basically I am using my own obsessiveness with RSS and Twitter, all the websites that I follow,

00:59:43 ◼   ► all the people that I follow on Twitter, which is more than a thousand people.

00:59:47 ◼   ► Basically I am sacrificing my own time to let others enjoy the benefit of my

00:59:54 ◼   ► my curation in the Slack channel.

00:59:56 ◼   ► And because I'm used to it anymore,

00:59:59 ◼   ► at this point, I'm just,

01:00:01 ◼   ► I know that my Twitter is busy every day,

01:00:05 ◼   ► and I know that my RSS is busy,

01:00:07 ◼   ► but I don't want my team members

01:00:09 ◼   ► to go through the same process.

01:00:11 ◼   ► I don't want the other guys to be forced

01:00:16 ◼   ► to follow a thousand people,

01:00:17 ◼   ► or to be forced to follow 200 websites.

01:00:21 ◼   ► So they can just use Slack to see what's up

01:00:25 ◼   ► in terms of tech news and Apple news.

01:00:27 ◼   ► And it's an interesting concept for me

01:00:29 ◼   ► because first it doesn't mean

01:00:32 ◼   ► we have to share any credentials.

01:00:34 ◼   ► Like maybe years ago I would have said,

01:00:37 ◼   ► maybe I should just give the other folks

01:00:39 ◼   ► access to my RSS subscriptions so they can see what's up.

01:00:44 ◼   ► Instead, we can just highlight what's important,

01:00:46 ◼   ► send it to Slack, everybody sees it at the same time.

01:00:50 ◼   ► We could use other integrations to assign tasks to each other.

01:00:55 ◼   ► So we're using this service called MeisterTask, which is from the same people behind MindMeister,

01:01:01 ◼   ► which is an online mind mapping tool.

01:01:03 ◼   ► I like how you said that, like, "Oh, it's by those people, I still had no idea what

01:01:06 ◼   ► they're doing."

01:01:07 ◼   ► I was like, "I don't know."

01:01:09 ◼   ► Yeah, they're kind of popular.

01:01:11 ◼   ► And MeisterTask is an online...

01:01:15 ◼   ► It's like Trello.

01:01:16 ◼   ► You know Trello?

01:01:17 ◼   ► Okay.

01:01:18 ◼   ► Yeah, we use Trello.

01:01:19 ◼   ► but kind of more visual and with better Slack integration.

01:01:23 ◼   ► So directly from Slack, you can have a custom command

01:01:27 ◼   ► to create and assign a task without leaving Slack.

01:01:32 ◼   ► And we're using that, like we're talking about,

01:01:35 ◼   ► I don't know, maybe an app we wanna cover

01:01:37 ◼   ► or some link that we just saw in the aggregator channel.

01:01:41 ◼   ► And we can just assign that as a task

01:01:44 ◼   ► without having to open my start task

01:01:46 ◼   ► in the app or the website.

01:01:48 ◼   ► So we're using Slack as a Swiss army knife.

01:01:53 ◼   ► And it's like this, I like to describe it

01:01:56 ◼   ► as a virtual office with crazy APIs,

01:01:59 ◼   ► because that's really what it is for me.

01:02:02 ◼   ► It's an office, so we're all together,

01:02:05 ◼   ► we're spending time there.

01:02:08 ◼   ► We're always there, always chatting and discussing news

01:02:11 ◼   ► and what we're working on, sharing links with each other.

01:02:15 ◼   ► And it's also got all these other integrations

01:02:17 ◼   ► APIs that it's unlike anything I've tried before.

01:02:22 ◼   ► If you use iMessage, you don't even get previews for links.

01:02:26 ◼   ► You just get a link you can tap.

01:02:28 ◼   ► Slack, whether it's an article or a tweet, it gives you a rich, nice visual preview.

01:02:36 ◼   ► So you save time, you see more context, and everybody gets that.

01:02:41 ◼   ► So it's not an individual user feature.

01:02:44 ◼   ► It's for everyone.

01:02:45 ◼   ► And this has been true for notifications, for previews, for search.

01:02:50 ◼   ► We can all access the same information at the same time.

01:02:53 ◼   ► So in that regard, it's like an office.

01:02:56 ◼   ► But with all these APIs, we can customize it and we can use it our way, which is, I

01:03:02 ◼   ► mean, we're saving so much time.

01:03:04 ◼   ► And even if it costs us, you know, some hundred dollars each year, we're a small team, we

01:03:10 ◼   ► can cover that.

01:03:12 ◼   ► The time that we save thanks to Slack can be put into something else, which is work

01:03:18 ◼   ► for the website, so it pays for itself.

01:03:22 ◼   ► And man, that was quite a description.

01:03:25 ◼   ► I wasn't expecting this to go for so long.

01:03:28 ◼   ► My feeling on this is I'm jealous.

01:03:31 ◼   ► Because we can't do this with the relay Slack.

01:03:34 ◼   ► There's too many people in it.

01:03:35 ◼   ► It's like, "Oh, that's 30 people.

01:03:37 ◼   ► We can't pay for that.

01:03:38 ◼   ► It's too insane."

01:03:39 ◼   ► It'd be insane.

01:03:41 ◼   ► I think at that point,

01:03:41 ◼   ► Slack would be the most expensive thing we pay for.

01:03:44 ◼   ► I really wish we could pay less and get some of this stuff,

01:03:48 ◼   ► but it jumps too much for us.

01:03:50 ◼   ► It was like $7 per user per month or something like that.

01:03:53 ◼   ► Yeah, same thing.

01:03:55 ◼   ► That's too much for us.

01:03:57 ◼   ► 'Cause all of these things would be nice to haves, right?

01:04:00 ◼   ► We, I don't feel, need any of this stuff,

01:04:04 ◼   ► 'cause we don't need to break.

01:04:05 ◼   ► We're not working on a speed kind of basis, you know?

01:04:09 ◼   ► We don't need to break news or anything.

01:04:11 ◼   ► We have a few integrations.

01:04:12 ◼   ► We have the Twitter integration, which is great,

01:04:14 ◼   ► and we have Giphy and stuff like that.

01:04:16 ◼   ► So they're simple things.

01:04:18 ◼   ► But the way that you have this set up,

01:04:20 ◼   ► this is exactly how I expect you would wanna work, right?

01:04:25 ◼   ► Like you, with Mac Stories.

01:04:27 ◼   ► 'Cause this is information coming to you at all times

01:04:31 ◼   ► from different sources is really like the perfect way

01:04:35 ◼   ► for you Federico Vittucci.

01:04:37 ◼   ► It seems like it completely gels with the way that you work.

01:04:42 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:04:44 ◼   ► Especially to be able to control what I think is relevant to the website and what it's not.

01:04:50 ◼   ► And to be able to say, "I'm going to use my own account for that, but everyone else can

01:04:55 ◼   ► see the result."

01:04:56 ◼   ► That's basically exactly what it's meant for me, I feel like.

01:05:01 ◼   ► And yeah, we're saving time, we're happy.

01:05:05 ◼   ► We like, sometimes we're surprised, but the utility obviously lack notification.

01:05:10 ◼   ► Like we're talking and suddenly a notification comes in and we're like, "Oh, nice."

01:05:15 ◼   ► We didn't have to do anything about that.

01:05:18 ◼   ► Like when we send a new issue of Mac Stories Weekly, we have a MailChimp integration that

01:05:23 ◼   ► at 4 p.m. it does everything on its own.

01:05:27 ◼   ► It's like, "Hey, MailChimp just sent the campaign."

01:05:29 ◼   ► And we're like, oh no, yeah, that worked.

01:05:32 ◼   ► - Thanks, Mowjimp.

01:05:34 ◼   ► - Thank you, thank you, Bot.

01:05:36 ◼   ► And oh, and Slackbot, I'm using as a scratch pad

01:05:39 ◼   ► all the time, like I need to say something.

01:05:41 ◼   ► - Explain this for me.

01:05:43 ◼   ► - So, you know, I copy and paste a lot of stuff every day,

01:05:48 ◼   ► whether it's some text, a link, a picture,

01:05:51 ◼   ► or I make a note of something, and increasingly,

01:05:56 ◼   ► The more I try to use clipboard managers or not taking apps,

01:06:01 ◼   ► I never end up with exactly the same set of information

01:06:07 ◼   ► from one device to the other.

01:06:10 ◼   ► There's always some kind of syncing issue or inconsistency,

01:06:14 ◼   ► and I don't see the same stuff in two places.

01:06:17 ◼   ► But because of the rich previews that you get in Slack,

01:06:21 ◼   ► I find myself sharing bits of text, links, files, YouTube links that turn into previews

01:06:31 ◼   ► into the Slackbot, which is a personal private channel.

01:06:34 ◼   ► It's like your personal assistant in Slack.

01:06:38 ◼   ► Because it's in the cloud, it's always the same across any device.

01:06:44 ◼   ► I know that it's not as native or as local as an app may be on your device, but when

01:06:52 ◼   ► you don't need a fancy integration with the system, you just want to say, "Hey, I want

01:06:58 ◼   ► to save these five links and I want to have them instantly on my iPad," or, "I want to

01:07:03 ◼   ► share this code snippet from my Mac to my iPad and I don't want to use AirDrop because

01:07:09 ◼   ► it never works, or I don't want to use one of those Wi-Fi or Bluetooth clipboard managers

01:07:15 ◼   ► because also they never work.

01:07:18 ◼   ► I just paste it into Slackbot and it's right there on my iPhone and I can copy it.

01:07:23 ◼   ► And I don't know, it's probably not an intended use case for Slackbot, but I know a lot of

01:07:28 ◼   ► people who do this and I have to say it's also working well for me.

01:07:33 ◼   ► So it's a crude implementation of a cloud clipboard manager, but it works kind of well.

01:07:40 ◼   ► So yeah.

01:07:41 ◼   ► Well, look at that.

01:07:42 ◼   ► Cool, man.

01:07:43 ◼   ► I'm pleased that you like it.

01:07:46 ◼   ► I'm surprised that it does the amount that it does, right?

01:07:49 ◼   ► Because I don't really think of Slack in that way, you know?

01:07:53 ◼   ► For me, it's just like a little chat room that does some cool stuff, but I can see how

01:07:59 ◼   ► it does the incredible things that it does and I wonder what its future is like, you

01:08:03 ◼   ► know?

01:08:04 ◼   ► Like what kind of crazy stuff could happen?

01:08:08 ◼   ► So yeah, we'll see.

01:08:09 ◼   ► But that's cool.

01:08:10 ◼   ► I'm pleased that you shared that story.

01:08:11 ◼   ► I'm looking forward to the myriad of questions and feedback we're going to have about that

01:08:15 ◼   ► as you have to list every integration four times so everyone catches them.

01:08:20 ◼   ► But you can catch some show notes.

01:08:22 ◼   ► We haven't got a lot of show notes this week, but if you do want to find them, you can head

01:08:26 ◼   ► on over to relay.fm/connected/56. Thanks again to our sponsors this week, the great

01:08:35 ◼   ► people over at Fracture and Squarespace and don't forget there will be a link in our sponsor

01:08:40 ◼   ► section to donate some money to Steven's charity Run for St. Jude which you should definitely

01:08:47 ◼   ► get involved in. If you want to find us online there's a couple of ways you can do that.

01:08:50 ◼   ► You can head on over to relay.fm, you'll find information about this show and a bunch of

01:08:54 ◼   ► other shows that we do including Upgrade and Clockwise which will be fun to

01:08:58 ◼   ► listen to for coverage of the announcements that are coming out

01:09:00 ◼   ► tomorrow as we record this. If you want to find Steven online he is @ismh on

01:09:05 ◼   ► Twitter and he writes over at 512pixels.net and also Mr. Federico Vatici is

01:09:10 ◼   ► @Vatici V-I-T-I-C-C-I and he writes over at maxstories.net and if you're still

01:09:15 ◼   ► listening Federico can I can I give a little tease? Sure, yeah. There's something

01:09:20 ◼   ► big coming to Max Stories on Monday so you should look out for that and

01:09:24 ◼   ► something that Federico has been working very very hard on for a long time and

01:09:28 ◼   ► I'm very excited about it so you want to keep your eye out for that.

01:09:31 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:09:32 ◼   ► So little secret tea so the people that go listen all the way to the end.

01:09:35 ◼   ► We'll be back next time. I won't be. I'm gonna be on holiday but I'll be back the

01:09:41 ◼   ► week after and I'm looking forward Federico to talking about the process of

01:09:45 ◼   ► your review in a couple of weeks. That'll be a little fun.

01:09:48 ◼   ► But until then thanks so much for listening and we'll be back. Bye bye.

01:09:53 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:09:55 ◼   ► Adios.