62: Siri Like the Butler
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Hello, and welcome to Connected, episode number 62.
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Today is October 20, 2015.
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I am your host, Steven Hackett.
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And I'm joined, as always, by our man in Italy,
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man with the plan in Rome, Mr. Federico Vittigi.
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Hello, Steven.
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How are you?
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I'm doing well.
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How are you?
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I'm doing very well.
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We're missing a piece of the connected puzzle today.
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- We are, Myke is currently flying to the US.
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He and I are both attending the Release Notes Conference.
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We'll have a link in the show notes.
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Myke is actually the keynote speaker, which is--
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- Oh, fancy.
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- Pretty sweet.
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And so yeah, so I'll be joining him.
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I leave like super early tomorrow morning.
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It's a pretty short plane trip for me,
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just a couple hours.
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And we'll be together the rest of the week.
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and doing release notes at this conference for people like us
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with independent tech businesses.
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And I'm looking forward to seeing some relay hosts
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and listeners and everything there.
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So if you're going to be there, be sure to say hey.
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Yeah, we'll be asking Myke for an autograph or a selfie.
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I mean, he's a celebrity now.
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Am I going to ask him for that?
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Seems a little strange for me to do it,
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but I guess other people could.
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- Just pretend you're a big fan of Myke.
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Just pretend you don't know him.
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Just ask for an autograph and a selfie.
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Imagine Myke's reaction.
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- Yeah, it's like, "Dude, can I get your autograph?"
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- We're actually co-founders of the same company,
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but whatever.
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The real, if I were there,
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the real game for me would be to try to find typos
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in Myke's presentation.
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I know that he's gonna kill it,
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and I know that he's gonna be awesome,
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but I'm pretty sure there's gonna be typos.
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- I'm a little worried about that
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and I haven't seen the presentation.
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I don't know what he's talking about.
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I'm okay with that for the most part,
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but we'll, I guess we'll see.
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- That's his signature, you know?
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At least a little typo.
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It won't kill anyone.
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I'm sure Myke has a way to make it look nice.
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- I think if he does a Myke chat, it should be on purpose.
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Like if he says I'm a professional podcasters,
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I think that's good.
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- That would be perfect.
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So Micra now is up in the air, I think.
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I don't know.
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Is he in the land of the free yet?
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I don't know.
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- He should be getting close.
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So I guess if we hear from him during the show,
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which I think was what happened last time he was traveling,
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he texted us during when you and I were doing the show.
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We'll see, it's hard to keep up with the guys.
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International businessman and traveler and everything.
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- Always going to America.
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He's always going around,
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flying in all different countries is a diplomat, you know?
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Is going to lots of different places.
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Steven, save us and take us into follow up.
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- All right, so we've got some follow up this week.
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We were speaking last week about the MacBook Pros,
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the MacBook Airs, and how everything is all sealed in now.
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Lauren wrote in to remind us that that's not completely true.
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There is, and I will put this link in the show notes
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and in the chat room, so if you're listening live,
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you can understand that this computer
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is still in production.
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Apple still sells a 13-inch MacBook Pro,
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non-retina, with a DVD drive
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for $1,099 here in the United States.
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And it's really not a great machine.
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I'm not sure who it's for.
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I think it's mostly for,
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I think it's mostly for education or people who buy in bulk perhaps but I don't
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I'm not quite sure what that's about. So maybe DVDs marketers, you know, man. Yeah
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4 gigs of RAM a 500 gig 54 rpm hard drive
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Just you know, it's the MacBook Pro from four years ago still for sale
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I highly doubt that it even comes with El Capitan if you open another box.
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I'm sure it's just an old config they have laying around.
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But what can you do?
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Yeah, there's probably Lion on that machine.
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So you can still buy that machine, so my apologies for being incorrect.
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I tend to forget about this computer because I just assumed that Apple's killed it since
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the last time I looked.
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And every time I look, it's still there hanging on for life.
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We also wanted to touch base on the Magic accessories.
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The keyboard, so I have the keyboard and the trackpad.
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I'm actually using both right now,
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even though I'm not really a trackpad guy.
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- I really like the keyboard.
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My review just went live like 20 minutes ago on the site.
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I like the keyboard.
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It is, if you like the old one,
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there's a lot of things that are better about it.
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Yes, the key travel is less than the old one,
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but the trade-off is it feels more precise.
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They're not using the butterfly mechanism from the MacBook.
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They're still using the scissor mechanism,
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but all in all, it feels more precise,
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and it feels tighter than the old one, and I like that.
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And so I've been using it since the weekend.
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Mine came in on Friday, and I'm a fan so far.
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It is sort of funny.
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There's still a new Jet Key on it.
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I don't know what that does.
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I'm hitting it now, and nothing's happening to my computer.
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- Make sure you're not the one being ejected
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from your chair.
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- Yeah, it just ejects my USB free too
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from being connected.
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No, I mean, if you have an external,
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if you have like the super drive plugged in,
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it ejects it.
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I mean, I get why it's there.
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I do wish it was backlit.
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I'm sure that that was a thickness,
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battery life type thing is my guess.
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But it would be nice, like, it'd be nice
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to have a backlit external keyboard.
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So that's my hope that one day we'll get that.
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It would be weird with the white keycaps, I don't know how quite that would look, but
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all in all it's a nice improvement if you like the old one.
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If you don't like the old one you're really not going to like this one because it is sort
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of like a distilled version of the old one.
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But all in all it gets a thumbs up from me.
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I got one question for you Steven.
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Have you tried the keyboard on your iPad?
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My understanding is that it's basically the same as last time.
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But I'm not sure, I mean the pairing is still done over Bluetooth obviously.
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I don't think it has any more iOS features than the old one did though.
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I don't think there's something that doubles as the home button or anything, but I'm not
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sure to be honest.
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So you can probably replicate the same shortcuts of course, you can do command tab, you can
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do command space to open Spotlight.
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- All that should work.
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- No special keys for--
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- Right, there's no Siri key you get on the Logitech
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or something like that.
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I mean, and that makes sense,
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like at this point with the iPad Pro coming,
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I don't think they wanna keep that separate
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for that keyboard cover.
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Man, I don't know, I like using the iPad
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with the Apple keyboard,
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but I'm not,
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I'm just not sure how big of a use case it is
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in Apple's mind of people buying their keyboard
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to use with the iPad, like with all the keyboard cases and everything out there.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, it's going to be interesting with the iPad Pro.
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The software keyboard, there's a bunch of new features.
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Of course, it's bigger, so it should be easier to type on the screen.
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But there's also a couple-- the increased space
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allows for a couple of new features.
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There's more keys.
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There's the number row.
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I think it's always shown by default, at least in landscape.
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So it's going to be a big software keyboard.
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But of course, Apple makes the smart keyboard as well,
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which I look forward to trying because I'm really curious to see what they've done there.
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I type most of my articles on the iPad Air 2 with the software keyboard and usually I
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know that this sounds crazy but I type in portrait mode with my thumbs, you know, that's
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the advantage of being human, you have thumbs.
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And I do like typing in portrait mode on my iPad.
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And that goes down to the biggest question I have about the iPad Pro.
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Can you still use it in portrait mode?
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Can you still hold it with two hands and type?
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It's probably going to be a little too big for that use case, at least that's what I
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Because it's going to be about as wide as the iPad Air as in landscape.
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That might be, that's going to be a reach for me.
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I don't have Myke Hurley fingers, but I've got decent sized hands.
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I don't get it, fingers.
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I actually, just last night, my wife has the 12 inch Retina MacBook and I was doing something
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on it and I was walking to the house and I was thumb typing on it.
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Like I had it wedged in my hands, like my hands were claws, and thumb typing on this
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I was like, "Huh, what have I done?"
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Because I'm like you, I type in my iPad Air generally in portrait with my thumbs.
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The landscape keyboard is like just the wrong size for me.
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There's something about it that I've never really been able to do well.
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And so I type like you do on the Air and I can do it.
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It's pretty comfortable.
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But I was like walking around the house with a MacBook doing it, I was like, "What am I
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What's happened to me?
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You know, the thing about the landscape keyboard on the iPad is not necessarily, at least for
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me, not necessarily the size of the keys or the layout.
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It's how much it obscures content in the top half of the screen.
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And I usually type in portrait mode because I can see more of the app that I'm using,
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which is usually editorial.
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So I see more of my text and when I switch to landscape I just see like a paragraph.
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And on the iPad Pro it's gonna be interesting because you can see more in landscape and
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the keyboard is also bigger.
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But there's a problem in portrait because it becomes too large to type with your thumbs.
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So it's gonna be a curious setup.
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We should have a couple of weeks left, Apple said, the iPad Pro is coming out in November.
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And I'm curious, in this case, the Italian Apple website says "coming in November".
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So we don't know yet if the iPad Pro is going to launch in many countries, like in 30 countries
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at launch, so Italy should be included.
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We just have a "November" notice on the Italian website.
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And I hope that we will know more, maybe next week there's an Apple earnings call, maybe
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they will provide a release date for the iPad Pro.
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We don't know.
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- Yeah, I mean it's the same thing here, there's not a date.
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And just last night, Apple CEO Tim Cook
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was being interviewed and he said the Apple TV
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would be going for pre-order on Monday,
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so six days from now and then shipping next week.
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So we can talk about that in the next couple weeks as well.
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I mean, it's sort of funny, like, you know,
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Apple clumps all their stuff together in the fall,
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but this year, even within the fall,
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it's a little spread out.
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I feel like we get a couple weeks with like each thing.
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Like we've had phones and then we had iMacs and Mac stuff
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and now we're gonna go back to the Apple TV
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through the iPad Pro.
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Yeah, it'll be fun.
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I think I said it last week,
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I'm increasingly interested in the iPad Pro.
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I think that I will at least get one to check it out
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and then maybe take advantage of that return policy.
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But we'll see.
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I think it'll be interesting to see how it does.
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- Yeah, for sure.
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- Now Federico, you are our reporter in the field
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when it comes to all things blah, blah, blah, blah,
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and you tweeted something yesterday,
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is it, I think it was yesterday.
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- The only way I can describe it,
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and I'm gonna put this,
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like you should go look at Federico's tweet.
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It troubled me deeply in my soul.
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I think it's really the only way, the only thing.
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So what is this?
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Can you explain what you've done to the internet here?
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- So I was, it was after dinner,
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and I was at the kitchen table
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just looking at Twitter on my iPad and the TV was on because we were following the news
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during dinner.
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And at one point a weird song started playing and I look up at the TV and there's like two
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blob monsters with very uncomfortable eyes and a very uncomfortable shape and it was
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There's a commercial for BlaBlaCar and there's these two little things, I would describe
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them, talking about BlaBlaCar and how it works and it's a very creepy commercial.
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I don't understand why you would trust a service, you know, you're getting into someone else's
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car so it's a pretty serious thing to do and the creatures advertising this service are
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are too creepy looking monsters. So I don't know if I can find the commercial on YouTube,
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I can try. There's a weird song, there's weird monsters and there's an explanation of how
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BlaBlaCar works. It's the car sharing service that lets you ride into someone else's car
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for a fee so you can save on costs to go from a specific place of Italy to another. So you
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You can split the fees for highway tolls, that kind of stuff.
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But the monsters, the blah blah monsters, that's how I call them, they're really
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creepy and they're the stuff of nightmares, basically.
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And of course I tweeted the picture and a lot of people responded to the nature of the
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There's no way around it, they're creepy.
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there's a tweet from a friend of the show, John, he sent us a picture of a McDonald's
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monster. Does it have a name? His name is Grimace. Oh, nice. And the other one is the
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Hamburglar? Yep. Yeah. So they're eerily similar in nature. And the worst part of the blah blah
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a monster isn't just the color which is purple or the fact that he has hands with no fingers
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and then he's holding a phone. It's the red lips.
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It's just really terrifying in every way. I'm going to put the picture in the show notes.
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If you go to the page relay.fm/connected/62 you can just see it because I think everyone
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had experienced the terror that I did.
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I'm surprised that you didn't comment on those cables going under my TV.
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You know, I really almost did.
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And I was like, no, I'm going to be the bigger man here, I'm going to be the gentleman, but
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I'm just going to buy you some cable conduit.
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Okay, so there's an explanation, which we will discuss in the topic that we have today.
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I will explain in a few minutes why.
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If you were a gentleman you would hide that in the wall.
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But it's temporary, let me explain to you later why.
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Okay, I understand temporary setups, I get it.
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So we got a couple little topics before we get into the big one, but first let me tell
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Alright Federico, tell me about iWork.
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So last week Apple released finally, I would say, not in an ironic way, an iOS 9 update
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for the iWork suite for iOS.
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So there's updated pages, numbers and keynote with new iOS 9 features which include of course
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iPad multitasking, keyboard shortcuts, you know, you get a little pop-up when you hold
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down the Command key on your physical keyboard so you can see all the list of supported commands
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in the apps. There's a new way to share documents with iCloud.com on the web and there's an
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increased compatibility with older file formats, which I know you want to talk about.
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But of course the big change, and of course there's a little, a small amount of improvements
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to each individual app with a series of long-standing feature requests from iOS users. But of course
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the big change is iPad multitasking and if you don't mind Steven I have a little
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story for you today. So right before the update which was on Thursday at 10
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around 10 p.m. which is when Apple refreshes the App Store for the
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weekly features, Sylvia my girlfriend was just talking about how she wanted to use
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numbers on her iPad R2 with SplitView because she has to do some accounting
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stuff on a monthly basis and she was asking why she couldn't put Safari with a webpage
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where she's looking at numbers and a bunch of different expenses next to numbers so she
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could go through all the lists of transactions and organize them in a spreadsheet.
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And maybe 20 minutes after she was complaining about the iOS 9 update to numbers, there was
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an iOS 9 update to Numbers on the App Store. And she got really excited and I understand
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why. I don't use Numbers much because I'm a Google Sheets user and the Google Sheets
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app for iOS still hasn't been updated to support iOS 9. But she does this Numbers accounting
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really often and she got excited because the ability to pin Safari next to Numbers or any
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other app basically saved her like an hour she would have spent jumping from app to app.
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And I witnessed how a non-Power User, because she's not the type of user who obsesses over
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the little advanced features like we do, or shortcuts, or Power User tips and tricks,
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that kind of stuff, she just uses her iPad because she likes it more than a MacBook.
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And being able to use SlideOver and more importantly SplitView, she got through all the list of
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expenses and the database that she keeps for accounting purposes, she got through that
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really fast with SplitView because she says I don't have to go from app to app anymore,
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it's right there and the layout is still the same and the iPad Air 2 is comfortable and
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she was really happy. So I thought it's really interesting that we, just a few months ago
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we were saying yeah but you know power users are just gonna be, are the ones who are gonna
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be happy about iOS 9 because normal people really don't do any sort of work on the iPad.
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So even if Apple does multitasking or slide over or split view, normal people they're
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not gonna care as much as we do. And maybe to an extent that's true because especially
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I guess people like me, while we use an iPad on a daily basis, we are excited by those
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functionalities. But even normal people like Silvia, she's definitely a normal person,
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she doesn't spend hours looking into apps on the App Store like I do. But the single
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change in numbers allowed her to be faster and to work faster, to save time and to be
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happier with the iPad.
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So it kind of got me thinking about this whole, you know, we usually refer to normal people,
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I wouldn't say as they don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but maybe we discard,
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we dismiss those people and the needs of those people because we imagine that they use just
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Facebook and mail and Safari and they do but they're not stupid and I've said
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this many many times and every time I come across someone in this case my
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girlfriend just discovering this functionality and being super okay with
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it it surprises me every time. Yeah you know it's I think what's nice about that
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sort of stuff on the iPad is that it's pretty discoverable and it's it's like
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not fiddly right like you just slide the app over when you're done you put it back
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They really did a good job at adding complexity without making it confusing.
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And I think your story kind of points that out.
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It's like I can just go pull these two things together and do what I need to do
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and then go back to the way it was, which is nice.
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A thing that caught my eye in the iWork updates is the backwards compatibility.
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So the new version of iWork, Apple basically rebuilt the Mac apps
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and the iOS apps really but especially the Mac apps to to be more compatible
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that you know they redid their document structure so you could use documents
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more cleanly on both platforms and they left a lot of stuff out we talked about
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that I was like a year ago or so like Apple script was left out of the Mac
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apps a bunch of stuff and they've been slowly adding it back in and this week's
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update brought back like true backwards compatibility so if you have I don't
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remember how far back it goes but I think I work oh eight and maybe even oh
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six documents you can now open again?
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Which is good and again, a not sarcastic finally.
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It sort of was frustrating that if you had those old documents you couldn't open them
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but I'm glad they circled back and got that taken care of.
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I saw some tweets from people kind of poking fun at Apple for adding support for old file
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formats back.
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It's kind of like backtracking on what they wanted to do when they relaunched the iWork
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apps for OS X and iOS, they made a big deal out of saying "We needed this clean slate,
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so we're not supporting the old apps and the old documents because we wanted to start fresh".
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And now that they added the support for the old document types back, I saw some people
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saying "Yeah, look at Apple, first they say that they want to start fresh and they do
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backwards compatibility". I kind of don't know what to make of this argument because
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Ultimately it was a clean slate and there were problems but there were also new apps
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and those apps let them start fresh, new features, new design and eventually after update they
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bring features back but they don't compromise on the original vision.
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These are still brand new iWork apps.
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So I kinda understand the making fun of, yeah first you say you wanna start fresh and then
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and then you bring the old files back.
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But in the end it's just a practical thing to do.
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Now that we got the basics covered, we have these new apps, we're supporting these new
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iOS 9 features, it's a month late but still now we're supporting iOS 9, so what else can
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Let's bring the old file formats back.
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I don't think it's a big deal and if anything, people who still have those files, they're
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just going to be happy now.
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So it's okay to poke fun, but I don't think it compromises on the basic vision of the
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iWork suite.
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And your backwards compatibility with documents is big.
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You can look at Microsoft and say, "Well, they do this to a fault."
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They just will not let go of backwards compatibility.
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But you can say that, but a Word document you made 20 years ago, you can probably still
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that helps Office stay entrenched so many places.
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And I think comparing iWork to Office is unfair to both,
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and I think they sort of solve the same problem
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for very different angles, but having a document
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that you created seven years ago that you can't open,
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that is a problem, and so I'm glad they got that sorted out.
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And yeah, I agree with you, the vision thing,
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Like I work is still much simpler and cleaner than it was and much faster. I just spent some time
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the last week or so and I books author helping a friend with something and
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I books author is basically like I work oh eight like that
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it's a use a lot of those old controls and sort of old way of thinking about things and it's it's very like
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Bumbly in there like you just it's just not very good and you go to the new I work
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This is for the most part is a lot better. So I'm glad they did it
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I wish they had gotten to this faster for people who were stuck with this problem.
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I think, if I remember correctly, the new version of iWork did not override the old
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one on disk.
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It would leave iWork 09 also installed.
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So you'd have two versions, but at least you could open everything and now that'll be a
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lot cleaner moving forward, which is good.
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One thing that still hasn't replaced other services for me is the real-time collaboration.
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So right now, me and you, we're looking at a shared Google Docs document and we're both
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typing and we have our own cursor in the document and we can collaborate on the same document,
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the same notes.
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And my understanding, you can do this for iCloud and iWork, but it'll still eventually
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upset you because there are going to be problems.
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And so if you're looking for a solution to collaborate on documents with multiple people
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at once, you still have to use Google Docs, Quip, which is also an excellent service,
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and maybe in the near future you will be able to use this new Dropbox paper service, which
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has a totally unoriginal name, but the idea is you're sharing a rich document with multiple
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people and it's kind of like Google Docs and Quip, but it's nicer maybe, and right now
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it's in sort of public beta on the web, there's going to be native apps eventually, it looks
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nice, the name is, I mean, come on, another paper service, but I have to tell you, I'm
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kinda excited by Dropbox paper. And part of me is torn between, I'm excited because I
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like Dropbox, and the other part of me says "what is Dropbox doing?" because they're trying
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this bunch of different things now, because file storage and management has kinda become
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a feature everyone has its own cloud storage services whether it's Google, Apple, Microsoft,
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Amazon. Pretty sure Facebook is coming out eventually with a file storage service if
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they don't already have one in the settings. And now Dropbox is kind of trying all these
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different things. So there's business, there's photos, there's paper, you know the carousel
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service I don't know what's going on there and I don't know if they're kind of trying
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to see what's next. So that's the pessimistic part of me. The optimistic side says this
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is cool, this is exciting, I like Dropbox and it looks nice. So we'll see. But right
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now still not using an iWork and iCard for collaboration. If you do, I'm generally curious
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to know if it's improved. I remember when we tried, Steven, back in the prompt days
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and let's just say it got weird fast. Remember when we shared the document with people on
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We did and the iWork document like blew up within seconds and the Google Docs got really
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strange and locked me out of my account for a while. It was good times. Yeah, you know
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it's interesting to me that all these companies are like going after like collaborative document
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editing. Office 365 also has some stuff. I haven't used it. I'm not really familiar
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with it to be honest, but it's like it's a kind of a hot space right now. And you
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know for me at least like you I mean the Google stuff like I mean our whole
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business is in there and it works unbelievably well and not just
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documents and spreadsheets as well. And it's gonna take you know something
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really powerful to knock that off the top of the list for me, but I'm excited
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that there's competition there.
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We should talk about Notes though too.
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- Yeah, you posted a really nice article this week,
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or last week?
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- Yeah, last week, 16th,
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where, and again this is something we've been talking about,
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we've all talked about Evernote for a long time,
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and then iOS 9 and El Capitan brought new Notes apps
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built on CloudKit so the syncing actually works,
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a lot of new features and I've been using it for,
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well since I upgraded to El Capitan
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and for the most part I like it.
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So I wrote up my review of it last week,
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kind of comparing and contrasting it
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with Evernote in places.
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And all in all, while there are things I don't like,
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I have switched to it and it's on the home screen
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of my iPhone and iPad and it's in my dock on the Mac
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and all my stuff's in it and I've uninstalled Evernote
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and closed my account.
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- Oh, like, give a clear option.
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- Yeah, well, yeah, I mean,
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you know, it's fine, it's not Evernote.
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All that stuff that Evernote does,
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where like, the Web Clipper,
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and you can email stuff into it,
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like, it doesn't do any of that,
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but it does have, as you spoke about in your iOS 9 review,
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really good extension support in iOS.
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It has that same extension support in OS 10 to a degree.
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And so there are ways to get stuff into it that's a little more automated than copying and pasting.
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And it just has not failed yet.
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I mean, I've got, I don't know, like 165 notes in there and it's rock solid.
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And you know what I noticed?
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I'm using notes, I would say primarily through two features, the extension and slide over.
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So I save bits of text, usually links into individual notes.
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so I append links to the bottom of an existing note.
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And I have a bunch of these for connected, for MacStories Weekly, for virtual.
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I just save links every day
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into notes with the extension. And then when it's time to pull those links back in,
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whether it's into a Google document or in a tutorial,
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I can just use slide over to open notes,
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tap and hold on the link and copy the link again. And
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that's how I primarily use notes as a
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kind of storage solution for links with nice previews because unlike Evernote
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it gives me this little snippet view of a link which has an image,
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a title and a brief description so I can easily remember what a link is about
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but what I noticed is
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sometimes iCloud initially fails
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at updating the note
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that I'm appending a link to. So for instance I'm on my iPhone and I save a link into a
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note. Then maybe a couple of hours later I'm on my iPad and I want to save another link
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into the same note but the note doesn't say I was updated two hours ago. It still says
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last updated, last night. So it's not like on the iPad the extension is not seeing the
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last version of a note. But when I'm going into, you know, maybe a couple of days later,
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I'm going into the note and when I open the note it kind of reconciles all the changes
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and it kind of merges all the links from the iPhone, the links from the iPad, so I don't
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lose anything and that's nice because I was like "oh man, I trusted this app and now iCloud
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is failing again" but it turns out that there's a mechanism in place to reconcile changes
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from different devices which I'm ok with.
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Even if, of course, Apple being Apple, there's no UI, there's no conflict resolution tool
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that says "Hey, this was a change from an iPhone, this is a new change to the same note
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from an iPad, what do you want to do?"
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It just kind of happens in the background, invisibly, as Apple likes to do, but it works.
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And I've been putting together the newsletter or links for the website for basically since
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June with the Notes app.
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And it works for me. It's faster, it gives me these nice previews.
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I'm not the kind of user who saves a lot of documents into notes.
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I guess I prefer to use Dropbox for things like PDFs and email receipts, that kind of
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stuff. I use notes for links, maybe screenshots and
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text. That's the reason why I also felt comfortable
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switching from Evernote. Because I don't need all of those features
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in a work chat and the shared notebooks.
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I just need a nice note-taking app with a nice extension,
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iPad multitasking on iOS 9, and Notes works for me.
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So a big thumbs up for the Notes app.
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- Yeah, I got a lot of feedback about tagging.
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Tags just don't, just not the way my brain works.
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And Shindo sent me an email about the review,
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but I wanted to bring it up here
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to see what you thought about it.
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a couple of minutes the last note where you saved something into.
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of links into my Maxories Weekly note, the extension remembers that it has to go into
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the Maxories Weekly note. But then, if I let a couple of minutes pass, it just resets to
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a new note. So I have to tap that and to pick a note if I want to append links again. And
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it's a nice touch, because if you're going through links and you want to save them into
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the same note, just remembers that note. And it's kind of similar to the SlideOver app
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this but there's actually a UI to control audio playback into the Notes app. One thing
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One thing that I would love to know is how is Apple parsing web pages for titles, for thumbnails?
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Are they using the OpenGraph image tag to pick the thumbnail?
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Are they using... I wouldn't say they're using Schema.org, which is another metadata standard for the web,
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but I'm definitely curious to see what they're doing.
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And another... this is super nitpicking...
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During the beta, the Notes extension used to behave differently for YouTube and for
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Twitter links.
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So, for Twitter, it used to be that it would try to find an image or at least a profile
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picture of a Twitter user.
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If you were saving a twitter.com link into the Notes app, the extension would try to
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fetch a link's image or profile picture.
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Now they're just using the Twitter icon, the blue icon with the Twitter logo.
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save YouTube links with "YouTube" as the title, which is not super useful.
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So yes, I think we'll keep an eye on our notes usage and see.
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now I'm happy with it but we will see how that goes. So we're going to talk about
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So we're talking about HomeKit.
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You and I have both been playing with some HomeKit devices,
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but before we get there, I thought
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it'd be nice to kind of talk through some basics of HomeKit
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because I feel like Apple hasn't given it a lot of stage time.
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And it's sort of ambiguous like what HomeKit actually is
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and what it can actually do.
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So could you maybe walk us through the idea
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behind what it is?
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So I'm going to give you my best explanation.
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HomeKit is a common language for dedicated devices to share and access data on iOS.
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These devices are home automation devices.
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So they can be sensors, they can be door locks, they can be weather stations.
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Apple provides a framework for developers to plug into and the user gets a very simple
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settings screen in the Settings app and you can say I want to grant access to my home
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data to these apps and I want to access my home data remotely with iCloud and I want
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to share my home data with another family member or with another user.
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The training is extremely simple from a user perspective.
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When you set up a device, you take it out of the box, you download the dedicated app
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from the developer, so there is no home app on iOS.
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You have to download a compatible app and you go through the setup, you grant permission
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to manage and access your home kit data, you scan with the iPhone's camera setup code on
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the back of the device and from that point on you will be able to ask Siri for home information
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so if you buy a weather station you will be able to say "hey Siri, what's the temperature
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in my bedroom?" and other apps will also be able to access data from other apps and other
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The key thing to understand is that there's different levels of management for your HomeKit
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data. So you can set up accessories as they're called. They're not called devices, they're
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called accessories. I think it's the official definition. You set up accessories and you
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set them up in rooms for your house. At the same time you can also set up scenes. Actually
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you can set up rooms, you can set up zones. So for example I have a room called bedroom
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and another "room" which is called "kitchen balcony" as it's the balcony outside of my
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kitchen and then I can create a zone and a zone in my example is inside so the inside
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zone has two rooms the bedroom and the kitchen outside as the kitchen balcony as it's outside
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of the house. Finally you can set up scenes. So scenes are kind of like, I wouldn't say
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presets, maybe they are like a bunch of commands and triggers that you can do. For example
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you can set up a good morning scene and when you say "City, turn on my good morning scene"
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You can use apps to say when I say good morning in this scene you gotta turn on my lights
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and turn on my coffee maker through this HomeKit compatible smart plug.
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And so there's all these little features that you gotta keep in mind.
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But the most confusing aspect is there's no single place where you can go to an iOS to
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do all of this management and setup.
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Unlike HealthKit, which is Apple's framework for health data, there's no home app on iOS.
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When you go to the home app and you say "ok, these are my accessories, this is my data,
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I have a bunch of toggles so I can grant access to these apps, and I want to set up rooms
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and zones and scenes".
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All is done through third party apps and there's a system level privacy screen which you can
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used to grant or remove access to your HomeKit data.
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So right now the state of HomeKit is you gotta buy, first you gotta find a HomeKit device
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which, as we'll talk about, is not easy.
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You gotta buy the device, you gotta download the accessories app from the App Store, you
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gotta do the setup in the app and then you can share this information across apps.
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So in my example I bought Eve, Elgato, Eve, Weather and Eve room.
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There are two accessories, both to monitor temperature and humidity for outside, so my
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kitchen balcony and inside.
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And I put the Eve room in my bedroom.
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And from the Eve app I can do the setup, so I can do the barcode scan, it's not actually
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a barcode is more like a HomeKit icon and a string of numbers that you gotta scan with
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the iPhone camera. From the Eve app I can see my Elgato devices, so I can see the Eve
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weather, I can see the Eve room, but I can also see all the rooms and I think the Philips
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Hue lights that I set up in different apps. So for example, I also downloaded this third
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party app which is called Home. It's from a third party developer who had the brilliant
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idea, generally a good idea, to release a third party app to provide a dashboard for
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HomeKit data. Because there isn't one by default on iOS. So I set up all my rooms and zones
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and scenes in the Home app. It's made by Mattias, oh gosh I don't remember his last name, it's
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made from a third-party developer is Brutella on Twitter. So I set up all my rooms and zones
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in the Home app, but because the framework, the HomeKit framework is shared across apps,
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I can see the same information, so the same rooms, the same zones in the Elgato Eve app.
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So to sum up, you gotta find the accessories, you gotta buy the accessories, set them up
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the individual apps and then those apps can communicate. On top of that you can use Siri
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to access information. And this is the last point, if you have an Apple TV you can set
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up HomeKit to be accessed remotely, so if the devices are in range of the Apple TV,
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which is another problem we're going to talk about, when you're outside the house, when
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you're on cellular data or maybe on another Wi-Fi connection, you will be able to ask
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Siri for home information and Siri will go through your Apple TV which is connected to
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your iCloud account and it will give you information such as temperature or maybe turn on the lights,
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turn on the smart plug, that kind of stuff remotely.
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So it's quite complex and there's a... it took me a while to understand all these different
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definitions, rooms, zones, scenes and I'm still kind of playing around.
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So far I have two devices, the Eve weather and the Eve room and I'm a genius and I'm
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sarcastic here because I really wanted to try the remote access stuff so I couldn't
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wait for the new Apple TV to come out and last week I just went out and bought a third
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generation Apple TV.
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Spoiler it's not working.
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So Steven, before we move on to our actual experience, what devices do you have?
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Well, I've got the Hues, the LED white in color ambient light kit.
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This is a mouthful.
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But I was going to backtrack for a second.
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You know, I think you describing like how HomeKit works and you being an incredibly
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smart guy about this stuff and like struggling with getting it working and
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figuring it out at first like HopeKit is is a very like it's sort of like
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inside out from a lot of other Apple services and software where like it's
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not even visible on your phone like I assumed like when I bought this like
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it was like oh well I'm gonna go into like the HomeKit settings and like set
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this up it's like no that's not even visible until you have like HomeKit
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hardware on your network. Like it is very very strange and setting it up because
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there's like no immediate starting point. So with the Hue lights you download
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their app and then it has a little like six digit pin and I think like a QR code
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that you you pair the base station with the app and then the base station goes
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on your network over Ethernet which is gonna be a problem for a lot of people
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not a problem for me, but for a lot of people it might be.
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And then they all talk to each other,
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and then I was like, oh yeah,
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I have this HomeKit thing I could turn on now.
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It's just very strange.
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If I had to read the directions,
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and LOL, men don't read directions,
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but I was like, oh, I'll just put these in
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and get it going, and I was like,
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I don't know where to start with this.
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And because there's no interface,
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there's no interface for HomeKit.
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I'm in my settings right now,
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and so HomeKit shows up in the long list,
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And the only thing in settings is like my house and who it's shared with.
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So I have it shared with my wife so she can, she can do stuff, uh, with the lights
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on her phone and like, that's it.
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Like there's no, it's all this like, Sort of not really visible.
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Like I had no idea the Apple TV was acquired for external access because
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Apple's website doesn't say that anywhere.
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Like, uh, we've got three links in the show notes to support documents.
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And like, none of them are extremely helpful because it just sort of exists.
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But again, you have to find the hardware.
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But I don't know, just setting it up in a destructive way is like a very strange thing from Apple to set up and to use.
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Yeah, in the developer's defense, at least from the Eve app, the setup is really well done.
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I mean, provided that you know you've got to find this app on the App Store.
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So I needed to go through the instructional manual, you know, like a paper manual to read
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"you should go download our app from the App Store"
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I'm like "okay"
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But the Eve app is really well done.
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It tells you "okay, now you gotta put the batteries into the accessory, then you gotta
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find the code, put the camera in front of the code, scan the code and you're done"
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So from the developers perspective they've done a good job, you know.
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But it's really strange, I mean, when you first pair a HomeKit device, you literally
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end up with a new option in the settings.
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Like it pops up at the bottom of a list.
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Otherwise you won't be able to see HomeKit if you don't have an accessory set up on your
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And it's really strange when you compare that to HealthKit.
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It's always there, there's an app.
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Of course the big difference is your iPhone is already packed with sensors.
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So Hellkit already has access to a pool of data about you and it makes sense to have
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a default app there.
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But I would argue that to promote these new features for your iPhone, so your iPhone can
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be this little remote control for your home.
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That's a powerful idea, that's pretty cool actually.
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But to not have a single place that is preinstalled, and I know that we criticize Apple for having
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too many pre-installed apps. But there has to be something that you gotta give to people
00:54:01
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to say "Look, you gotta go here if you wanna set up your accessories". Instead, I ended
00:54:07
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up with this folder on my home screen where I put all of these different apps to access
00:54:12
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my HomeKit data and to manage my HomeKit rooms. And that's the even stranger part. There's
00:54:19
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this whole level of hierarchy, you know, accessories, rooms, zones, scenes and that's completely
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hidden from iOS and the settings.
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And if it weren't for the Home app, I wouldn't know how to do this management.
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I wouldn't know how to create rooms to assign zones to my accessories.
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So it's a really, I would say, odd decision to not have a single place.
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It can be in the settings, it doesn't have to be an app to just say go there, create
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rooms, go crazy, create custom Siri commands.
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Because even for the Siri portion of the whole deal, there's all these different commands
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that you can ask, but those commands depend on the names that you assign in a third party
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Siri understands Bedroom only because I created the room called Bedroom in a third party app.
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There is no setting screen where I can say "ok Siri, I want you to call this room my Bedroom"
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and I can give you a nickname for other rooms. There is nothing. You gotta do all of these with third party apps.
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So once you accept this, and it can be difficult to accept this because I don't think it makes much sense,
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But once you accept this, you can start playing with HomeKit.
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And I've been...
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So let me give you first a disclaimer because I know that people are gonna make fun of me
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I am famously...
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I wouldn't say against, but I famously poked fun in the past at people obsessing over weather
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information and weather apps.
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So the irony is why is Federico using weather sensors?
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It's a very simple problem.
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At my apartment in Rome last year we had problems with humidity in the bedroom and we had problems
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with the wall in my house and we needed to paint the rover to buy a special paint for
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for this humidity problem and we, especially because of my condition, you know, we gotta make sure that the air we breathe is okay.
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And my doctor specifically recommended you cannot be exposed to high humidity all the time.
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And you gotta make sure that the air is always fresh, that there's no, you know, weird particles going around in the air that you breathe.
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and so we need to keep an eye on this stuff
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and so I didn't buy these devices for the temperature
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because it's always around 20 degrees Celsius over here
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which is fine for us but we gotta make sure that the air quality
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and the humidity is at an acceptable level for us
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and for this reason I thought okay I can, I always like to do this
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I can combine my personal needs
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with my desire to play around with geeky stuff, which always motivates me.
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And so that's the reason why I went with the two weather sensors.
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And of course, other HomeKit devices, they're just cool.
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I like the idea of controlling my home remotely, so that's why.
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Yeah, it's neat.
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What I do like about it, and May is part of the design of the way HomeKit works, is that
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You can really form it to be what you want it to be.
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So we're gonna talk about our hardware in a second.
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Like, you can, like if you're interested in X,
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you can put X in or you know,
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you want this sort of control, you can do that.
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And HomeKit by its sort of ambiguous nature,
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like is adaptive to all that stuff.
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But I agree with you.
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I do think that something like this Home app,
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which I'm definitely gonna check out,
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would be useful in servicing this for people
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and giving them a hub to do this stuff
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because you do end up with a bunch of different apps,
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a bunch of different services that sort of,
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they don't compete, but sort of feel like
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all these like separate little things.
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And I could almost see this working like ideally
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where there's a HomeKit app
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and these third party developers create extensions
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into that app where if you have like the Hue lights
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on your network and you have that app,
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and you can also control them in the master HomeKit app.
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And maybe it'll get there.
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I mean, we're going to close the show with the question of,
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do we think HomeKit's important to Apple?
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But I think that that would go a long way to showing consumers
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what this could do.
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As opposed to right now, it's like, well,
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we really created this for third-party developers
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to do stuff.
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And it's more of a framework than an actual service
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or application.
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But I don't know.
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So we talked about the eve weather a little bit.
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Do you have any other gear set up,
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any other gear that you wanna add?
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You still have not told me why your cables
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and your TV are crazy?
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- Okay, so--
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I wrote that down, I haven't forgotten.
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So the cables are for the Apple TV,
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which was a temporary experiment.
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I wanted to see if it would work as advertised by Apple.
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So last weekend, I went back to Viterbo as I always do.
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And I thought, okay, I'm excited
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because as soon as I'm in Viterbo,
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I'm going to ask Siri to look up my home kit information.
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I'm going to ask Siri, what's the humidity
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and the temperature from the Eve sensors.
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And of course it didn't work. Siri said that it couldn't look up the information right now
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and the Eve app and the Home app on my iPhone, they just said the devices are unreachable.
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So I don't know what the problem is. But my idea is, sometimes it just doesn't work.
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And I got this feedback from quite a few people on Twitter. The remote access is basically a black box.
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Sometimes it works, most of the time it just says it's unreachable.
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And also, my understanding is, these devices, the sensors, the HomeKit accessories,
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they connect to the Apple TV via Bluetooth.
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So, my theory is, the sensor that is outside, because I closed the window and all of the...
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I went away so I had to close everything.
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Maybe it wasn't possible for that device to connect to the Apple TV which is inside.
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It's just like three meters away but maybe there's a problem with the window when it's closed.
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I don't know.
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But still it doesn't explain why the Apple TV wouldn't be able to connect to the E room
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which is in another room like two meters away with no door in between them.
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with no window, no glass, no metal, no weird obstacles and it just didn't work.
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It works right now, it just didn't work remotely.
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I don't understand what's going on here and I got also on Twitter some replies from developers
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saying that in the current version of tvOS for the Apple TV Developer Unit, they removed
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any mention or framework related to HomeKit, which is not a good sign.
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That's encouraging.
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I don't know if Apple is kind of backtracking.
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Maybe they found out that the remote access feature is not as stable as they would like
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it to be yet.
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But still, according to these developers, the new Apple TV doesn't have the HomeKit
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functionality for remote access.
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So with that in mind, the Apple TV, the cables were there because I was just setting up this
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experiment and I didn't want to buy cable protection and that kind of stuff.
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I'm just going to remove the Apple TV now.
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So aside from remote access which didn't work.
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Right now the Eve weather and the Eve room are the only two devices that I have.
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There's some confusion in regard to the Philips Hue bridge with HomeKit support.
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I can find the device on Amazon Italy, but it's not available yet.
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It's not available on the Italian Apple Store and, according to Philips Hue, existing owners
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of a Philips Hue bridge, the first generation one, will be able to receive a discounted
01:05:09
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HomeKit bridge starting November 1st, but it's not clear to me whether this discount
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will be available to Italian customers or just in Europe in general, or if it's just
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an American thing so I don't know. Right now I really want to try the Philips Hue lights
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with the HomeKit support but I can't. So all I have are two sensors and they work really
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well. When I'm inside the house the information updates in a couple of seconds. I can ask
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Siri, I can use the Eve app, I can use the Home app which is a nice widget to see information
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at a glance in Notification Center.
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And one particular mention for the sharing and iCloud syncing
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it was really easy and fast.
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After finding out that I had a new HomeKit
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option in the settings, I just added Silvia's email address
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in the sharing panel.
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And she received a notice on her iPhone
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to control and access home information.
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and it worked right away, so I just needed to download the EVAP on Synvius iPhone
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and I didn't have to go through any setup process because iCloud was syncing the existing
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accessories and home information on our device too, which was nice.
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And also when I set up my new iPhone 6S Plus, which I bought on Friday, Steven, the home
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information was already there in my iCloud account, so I didn't have to go through the
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pairing process with the accessory again.
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And the accessories themselves, they're nice, they're powered by AA batteries which will
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last I think a couple of months, maybe three months. I will have to replace them eventually.
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And it's really handy to be able to look up the humidity level and to act accordingly,
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depending on what Siri tells me or what the apps tell me.
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And overall I think I'm excited about HomeKit.
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Actually let me say, I'm excited about the idea of home automation.
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And I think HomeKit needs a lot of work.
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And specifically there needs to be an app on your iPhone.
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You must not be forced to download an app from the App Store to access a system feature.
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And so I look forward to having a proper HomeKit app on my iPhone, maybe next year.
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But overall I'm really intrigued by the idea of having all these accessories communicating
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with each other securely, storing credentials in my iCAD account so it's available on all
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my devices, I can share them with my family.
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And there is a convenience to be able to ask Siri for this information, you know?
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And I'm using Siri a lot for this, and I'm happy with the devices, I'm happy with how
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the framework, the HomeKit framework works behind the scenes, I'm really unhappy with
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the front end of HomeKit, which is basically non-existent.
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Yeah, so what front end?
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So the framework I think is a good idea. I think having Siri as a kind of basically Siri like a butler.
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I can ask Siri for home stuff and it responds. That's cool and that's useful.
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But the remote access, the front end, the system level exposure of this feature, that needs a lot of work.
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Yeah, the the hue lights
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They you can find them here. I've picked up my kit at
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At Best Buy but on Amazon like they were in stock and now it's sold out again
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And you can find the old one, but the new one the bridge of course. It's still
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Like it's still their network hardware on your network
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But it provides that bridge to home kit as well and so in my review yesterday
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Like I I show like trying to use Siri to turn the lights off
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And it works about half the time.
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The video that I shot yesterday,
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I actually tried it like four or five times
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and it didn't do it, so I just left it in
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'cause I thought it was kind of funny.
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So that's a little hit or miss,
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but the Philips app, the Hue app itself is not super great,
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but there's other third party apps out there.
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I'm using one just called Hue that is simpler,
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but does a nice job, and basically you
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pair it with the bridge and so you open the app
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and you have to go hit the big,
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there's a big button on the top of the bridge you push
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and then they can communicate and kind of do a handshake.
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And that's all fine.
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Like the lights themselves are pretty cool,
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they're the LEDs so they stay cool.
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They, most cheap LEDs struggle to
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fill like the full color gamut,
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so the green on these is not super great.
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I wish it was better, but it kind of struggles
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to get it like a nice green color that's bright.
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But it's really cool, I've got all three
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in the same floor lamp, and so I can make like,
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I can mix and match the colors a little bit,
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I can do scenes, and because they're all kind of
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in the same corner of the room, it can be really nice.
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I've got Link to my Review in the show notes.
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It's the first time I've done a video review, Federico,
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it was very strange.
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I like it, but it was a lot of work,
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and I don't know something I'm experimenting with but the video is nice because you can
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actually see like how rapidly they work like the second you tap the scene or change the
01:10:53
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color in the app the bulb responds which is nice.
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I like you though have had range issues with it where when I started at the bridge was
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kind of at the other end of the house and I had to end up moving it to the sort of the
01:11:07
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Secondary I've had a secondary switch at the end of the house where this lamp is and I moved
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The Phillips bridge down there and it's much more responsive now, so it's definitely like a
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Range issue I'm a little worried about the eve weather thing
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I want to put it out on our screen in porch, and I worry that it would not be able to
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To communicate back to the house, and so I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to play with that
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But you know all in all it's all really early, like as early as HomeKit feels, this hardware feels early too, like the Philips app
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like I said, it's okay.
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It feels like it could be a lot more polished there, and it'll get there, but
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you know for 200 bucks, like it's, I don't think the Hue Lite kit is worth it yet at that price point, but...
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I guess it depends whether you buy the Hue set for HomeKit or just as a set, because I bought one
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last year and we've been super happy with our Philips Hue lights
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and we use it to set the mood
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in a room, we use it as a
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basic light when we like to be able to control from the iPhone
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we even like to be able to
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turn on the lights so when we're not home
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the camera that we use for security
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can have a better view because when it's dark we can turn on the Philips lights
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and as a smart set of lights
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it's fine I think but if you buy it with the primary intention of trying HomeKit
01:12:45
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I can understand why the issues that you've had lead you to think
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this is not worth the money so it kinda makes me skeptical to upgrade my Hue
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because for the past year I don't know if mine is
01:13:00
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is an isolated case but it's been really stable for us. The Hue app is kind of complex but it works
01:13:08
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it's really fast when I'm on wi-fi and if you create a Philips account you can turn on the
01:13:16
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lights remotely over 3G or 4G and it takes a couple of seconds but it gets there. So I've been happy
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with my Hue lights and they make for a great demo when my friends are at my house. But,
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you know, we'll see. Steven, can you hold on one second? The plumber is calling me.
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I'm just going to leave this in to your listener. You can hear Federico argue with this plumber
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That was quick.
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Yeah, they're going to be here in 15 minutes.
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So we kind of already answered it a little bit
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about the is home kit important to Apple.
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And when I first thought that question,
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like my thought was, well, it's really slow right now
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and so it must not be.
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But typically when Apple adds services to things,
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it's either like, they're like all in
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and have like a special like iBooks event
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with the iPad in New York City,
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or it's like this where it's like,
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oh, well, you know, we're talking about it on stage
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and like the stuff's out there,
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but it's gonna kind of be a slow burn.
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I feel like Apple News is this way.
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We still don't have the Apple News format spec out.
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They're not really pushing it.
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Yes, it's on the home screen by default,
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but I think it'd be wrong to conflate
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the rollout with the importance level in Apple.
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I do think Apple believes in this sort of stuff,
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and I think that they do want the iPhone
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to be increasingly at the center of everything you do.
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And if home automation is going to become a thing,
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why not have the iPhone be the central hub?
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It's good for Apple.
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It's good for their customers.
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I think it is important to Apple.
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It makes total sense to use the iPhone as the hub
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to access all of this information from your iPhone
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and to use Siri, because voice is a natural input mechanism
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to ask for this type of information.
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You can use nicknames for rooms and other commands.
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It makes sense.
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the support right now, it's very much in, and I know that Apple doesn't like to use
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this, but it's a beta, basically. I would say it is a beta. You know, everything from
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the setup process to not having a dedicated app to the difficulty of finding HomeKit accessories
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on the Apple Store or on Amazon, you really, you really gotta go out your way to find them.
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And it's not officially a beta, but it feels like one.
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Yeah, I agree and I hope that it gets better.
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Like I would love to be able to have more connected stuff in my house.
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You know part of this is that the hardware is slow. Apple's going, putting hardware
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manufacturers through a certification process to make sure everything works
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as expected, which is important. Like you want your lights to work, you want
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like your door locks to work, you want it to all be really seamless. And so I'm glad
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Apple's taking the time to do that. And if that makes this a little bit slower then so be it.
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be it. But yeah, I think that's all we got this week, Federico.
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Yeah. I wasn't expecting to talk this much about HomeKit. But yeah, good episode. And
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I'm sure Myke will listen and he'll decide to go on a HomeKit shopping spree.
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That's what he does.
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That's what he does. So you can find the show notes this week at our website, relay.fm/connected/62.
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62 you can find the show itself on Twitter at underscore connected FM can
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find Federico Vitici at maxstories.net where he and his team cover iOS and iOS
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apps unlike anyone else you can find him on Twitter at Vitici V I T I C C I you
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can find Myke our yearly departed leader on a bunch of shows at Relay and he is
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@imike on Twitter and you can find me at 512pixels.net or @ismh on Twitter.
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Until next time Fedorica, say goodbye.
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Arrivederci.