64: We Hugged a Lot
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From Relay FM, this is Connected episode number 64.
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Today's show is brought to you by Linda.com, Andrew Carroll of NCH Tax and Wealth, and Harry's.
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My name is Myke Curley and I'm joined by the man of whom I have touched the face, Mr. Federico Vitticci.
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Oh, hey Myke!
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That was the most awkward introduction of all time, how are you?
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Hello! I'm doing great! Long time no see, Myke.
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Not really, if anything.
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So we're gonna talk about this a little later on in the show, but me and Federico have now met in person.
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Which happened yesterday as we record this, which was a very, very beautiful thing.
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And we're gonna get to that.
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We should also mention, we've just completely forgotten about him. Steven's not here today.
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Oh yeah, that guy.
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He's unfortunately a little under the weather right now and has probably the worst thing
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that can happen to you when you make your living producing audio content.
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He has lost his voice.
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So I wasn't too keen on the idea of him just being on the call and just tapping his desk
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like to get our attention every now and then.
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So Steven isn't here today and we wish him to get better very soon.
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So maybe we'll be able to hear from him again next week.
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Yeah, I'm sure he'll come back with a bunch of links to old Macs, some new things he bought.
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He's slowly, surely replacing your role as a serial buyer.
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Every time he comes back, he has some new equipment or old Macs or crazy old accessories.
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Well he has that new Nexus, right?
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Which we wanted to talk about.
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He has a new Nexus!
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So he completely ruined one of the topics today. One of the whole topics of this show was Stephen talking about his new phone
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But he's not here. I actually do believe that before he lost his voice he recorded an episode of material talking about his
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Experience and I think it's gonna be out this week. So is it going to Android? I don't know. Maybe he is
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You know what? I'm gonna say that. Yes, he is. He's switching to Android
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He can't he's not here to defend himself. So yes, Stephen Hackett has switched
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That's why he's not here today
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We wouldn't let him on the show anymore because he loves his Nexus so much that he has now switched to Android
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So because Stephen is not here. He's not it's not gonna be here anymore is he likes Android too much now to come back
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We're gonna do follow-up
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You know instead of Steven we're gonna do the follow-up and Myke
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I see a new hashtag in the in the document in front of me. Yeah, what is going on here?
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Do you remember a few weeks ago when we had the mysterious Apple TV tipster Carlos? Oh Carlos. Yeah, how's the guy?
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He's good. He's feeling good because Carlos was right
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If you remember what we were talking about was the fact that Carlos told us that you cannot use
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Siri to control or search or find anything about music on the app. Yeah, it's crazy, which is crazy
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Wait, we're gonna talk about the Apple TV a little later on today
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But I wanted to mention it right here that Carlos it was right and I see
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a lovely post on this website called Mac stories
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That Apple made a statement to BuzzFeed that early next year. Yeah, there will be
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Full Siri support for music on the Apple TV, which seemed really really weird
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Yeah, especially because you know early next year means anytime from January to April. I think yeah
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It could be the first four months
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So yeah, you gotta wait for an update and it's especially weird where you know, you're paying for Apple music
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You're a subscriber and it totally makes sense to have you know streaming on the app on the new Apple TV
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But nope, for some reason it's not ready yet and we gotta wait a few more months to get
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Just kind of a disappointment.
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One of the many issues of this first version of the Apple TV.
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It's fair to call it a first version.
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It is a 1.0.
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It's brand new.
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It's TV OS, right?
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That's the difference.
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It's not the box.
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It's what's on the inside that counts here.
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And that's what's causing all the problems.
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about the inside, we were sent a couple of tweets about this. There is a Teletext app
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for the Apple TV. And it's quite funny, there is a really, really excellent thread that
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I will find and put in the show notes of the guy who made this app, kind of coming to discover
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us as a thing. Oh really? Yeah it's really great like he's very confused at first.
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It's very confused I can imagine. And then listens to the show and is
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disappointed because he thought it was a show about gonna be a show about teletext.
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It's like a podcast an entire show about teletext. Yep I mean you know
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worse things have happened I guess but yeah it's it's very fun to watch him. So I would love to be
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able to link to it but you cannot obviously link to any Apple TV apps but
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I guess if you just search teletext in the App Store you'll be able to find
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everything that you need about that but yeah it was it was just kind of a
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beautiful thing to watch this unfold. Look at that teletext bringing people
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together. It really does it really amazing piece of technology still
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holding up on the on TV OS. Amazing absolutely. We're bringing teletext back
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into the new generation.
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Back in style, you know, all those flat colours, that bold typography, those icons very crisp,
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It's one of those technologies that never, never dies.
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We got a great link sent in to us from a guy called Rod, and Rod sent in, this is by a
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guy called Larry Salibra, and he has been looking a lot like Steven was about moving
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from Evernote to Notes, the Apple Notes app. And he has actually built a script
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which he's put in, which he's put on his blog, to help you do this. I haven't tried
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this out so I cannot speak for it but I just wanted to put it in the notes
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because for people that are looking to do a migration like Stephen did this
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might be a great way to do that. But make sure you of course have a gajillion
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in backups in any way that you can, because I don't know what might happen.
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Maybe it deletes all of your notes, I hope not, but you never know, right?
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I mean, this is nice.
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I mean, actually, consider this, because obviously no one's going to make an iOS version of these
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scripts as standalone apps.
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So I may have to use a Mac for this when I eventually decide to move from...
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I'm still basically keeping Evernote around, not for new notes, not for anything new, just
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for existing notes because I don't want to go through the migration process.
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I'll eventually have to.
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This is useful.
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Thank you Larry.
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I will try this I think.
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Yeah, I'm wondering whether I'm going to actually do a migration like this or if I'm just going
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to start replicating things, right?
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Because what I have in my Evernote tends to be like travel documents and stuff like that
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and when I went to Indianapolis I just typed a lot of the stuff up and copied and pasted
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it from emails, right? Because usually what I do is I just forward it. But I
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actually quite like the idea of having everything just in one note in just
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simple plain text. I quite like that as opposed to trying to like dig through
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PDF versions of emails or whatever. So I don't know, I want to test it a little
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bit more but I must say like you know just as a follow-up on follow-up
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I'd love the Notes app. It's so fantastic. It's just it's perfect for what I need.
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It's so simple and it always works well. It does exactly what I need.
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Yeah, absolutely. And for me, like the best feature is it always reconciles changes from multiple devices.
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Yeah, it does a great job. I don't know how they do as good a job as they do with that.
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But they really really do. I completely agree.
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Yeah, and it's funny right because I remember being like when they announced it I was kind of just like whatever Apple Notes
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Come on, and I really really like it. I just I
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I just wish they would not have a texture background.
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- Yeah, you know, it makes sense when you're drawing
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with a stylus, I guess, and you're, you know,
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like the feeling of ink on paper.
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Like that's the only instance of the texture
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making any sort of sense, but I totally agree.
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- This is gonna make everybody happy.
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A guy called Ricky Mondello discovered
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that something new to Beta 2--
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You know who the guy is.
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He's the guy who makes Safari.
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Ricky's one of the Safari engineers.
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Well, there you go then.
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He didn't discover it.
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He put it in there.
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Yes, he created it.
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Now that's very clever the way that you tweeted this.
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Because it makes it look like something like Steve Trout and Smith, right?
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Like I just discovered this thing.
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Alright then, so the guy who made this feature, iOS 9.2 Beta 2 Safari View Controller can
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now be dismissed using an edge swipe in apps built with a 9.2 SDK, no extra code required."
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I cannot believe that he didn't get the idea from this from Tapbots, right?
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That must have been where the inspiration came from.
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I guess especially from the positive reaction from people to that feature.
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Everyone I know on Twitter and that I heard from readers, everyone is loving the new swipe
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gesture because it's just so much better. It's fantastic. It helps me get out of that
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view which otherwise you're stuck on, right? That's the problem.
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I'm gonna give you a detail. It's not just on the iPhone, this new swipe gesture on iOS
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9.2, it's also on the iPad. On every device you can now swipe and you can dismiss Safari
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View Controller. So this is gonna be extra better.
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I would really like to see them put the done button at the bottom there.
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Yeah. In the meantime, until they redesign completely Safari View Controller, this is a good solution.
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As a kind of stopgap solution for now.
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Sure. Yeah, it works out for the time being.
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Okay, I think we've actually reached the end of the follow-up. And it wasn't too much of a disaster, I don't think.
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I think we kind of got through that okay.
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okay yeah we didn't die no one died okay yeah it's just a shame that Stephen can
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never come back you know he's enjoying the Google Play Store right now probably
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those pirated apps from the Google servers that's exactly as all he does
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now he can't talk to him anymore let's take a break and then we'll talk about
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and Relay FM. So I'm going to put a tweet in the show notes of a picture that you took
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of me where I am incredibly excited and shaking a little bit and incredibly emotional because
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I had just seen you get out of a taxi cab in London, England.
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It was a very, very beautiful day yesterday.
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Yes, it was a very beautiful moment and an amazing entire day.
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So we met for the first time in like, how long since we've known each other online?
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Like four years, three years?
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Well, I asked you, this is part of my presentation at Release Notes, I found an old DM, and I
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I asked you if you would be willing to do a podcast with me back in 2013.
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So we've been, and it was early in 2013, so we've been working together for about two
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and a half years now.
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So almost three years basically.
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And I'm pretty sure I was already listening to your podcast.
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So remotely we've known each other for a long time and yesterday we met for the first time
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in your city, in your land, in the land of Britain.
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What do you want to discuss Myke? It was amazing.
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It was very beautiful. So Federico is here conducting special business.
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And it was a special business trip. You were in and out in one day.
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So we didn't even get to spend as much time as we like.
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But there was lots of hugging. We hugged a lot.
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I kept touching you to ensure that you were real.
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I was real and you were real.
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And I looked after you, didn't I? I took you to the plane.
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you on a train. You used Apple Pay on the tube? For the first time, I had no idea how Apple Pay
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worked. It was really fast, really quick. You activated the sensor for me and I just needed
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to place the iPhone on the little pad and it's just amazing. I keep thinking I want to use Apple
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Pay in Italy but no announcement yet. What did you think of the tube? It was surely...
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So two thoughts. Better organized and I mean more modern, like people actually form decent lines.
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So better organized, more modern than the one in Rome. Cleaner for sure. No weird smells.
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Yeah, the one in Rome, depending on the station.
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It was rush hour as well, so it was super busy.
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The second thought, and this applies to people in London in general, at least from what I
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saw yesterday.
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People are really quiet and they don't push too much.
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No, just a little bit.
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In Rome, they push a lot and they're super loud, especially when you get on the metro,
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that's what we call it here.
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There's always some kind of smell or some kind of argument and there's people pushing
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and there's a lot of pit pocket.
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What's his name?
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Pit pockets, yeah.
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Pit pockets.
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lot of people trying to see your wallet basically on your phone. It was very organized. I keep
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thinking of organized in London, like people waiting in line and there's no screaming,
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no yelling, no people fumbling for their tickets. Everyone knows that they need to be done at
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the little – what's the name – the gates?
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Yeah, the little gates where you go through the trains. This is the thing, right? You
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were in a business district basically during rush hour on a regular day in the week. So
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like everyone is like super focused, they just want to go home. So like people know
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what they need to do. And yeah on the whole like people are quiet. Like there was one
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point where me and you maybe took a little bit too long at the barrier and people start
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like you can hear it. It's the most you get in the UK so people are coughing. So that's
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what it is. Oh but something I forgot to mention. I brought a special guest with me for you
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Oh yes, yes, I saw CGP Grey.
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The man, the myth, the legend.
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So he's real, or at least he appears to be real.
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If he's a robot, he's a very realistic one.
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I even almost touched CGP Grey, you know?
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You shook his hand, didn't you?
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Well, I shook his hand, but I also, he wasn't expecting me to touch his watch.
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Yeah, that was quite a funny moment.
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So Gray has the full black link bracelet watch.
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- Looks amazing. - The DLC one,
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so diamond-like coating.
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And me and Gray have spoken about this in the past,
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and I said to him, "Can I try it on?"
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And he looked at me like I was insane
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and told me that I couldn't.
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But Federico sees it and he's like, "Oh!"
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And he just reaches out and touches it.
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And there's nothing Gray can do because it's too late now.
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So what I have learned is you just need to be bold like an Italian. That's what I've learned.
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Yeah, it was just natural for me. I don't know. I realize now it can be strange for people in
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other countries to just instinctively reach out and touch someone else's hand or wrist.
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We are in Europe, right? We are in Europe, but we are not European.
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If you spent more time here, I think you would really start to see that.
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There is a lot of Europe where the customs are very... they're closer together, I think.
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But the UK, it's a completely different place.
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I feel like as a country, in terms of habits and general behavior,
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were more similar to Spanish people, you know?
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- I feel like we're, you know, always kinda,
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I wouldn't say loud necessarily, but you know,
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maybe talkative, you know, just always,
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I don't know, in London, people seemed really quiet.
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And you seem different than most people.
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Could be because I know you, but you almost don't,
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like everyone looked too serious or too like,
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like smile for a little, you know? Like everyone was super focused and super quiet and no touching,
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no pushing, no... it almost felt too precise.
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Well I guess I would be more quiet, but like I was just super excited to see you so I was
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making a lot of noise.
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I don't know, could also be that the city was like very cloudy. Like I was just coming
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from a super sunny day in Rome and London was basically grey.
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It's that time of the year.
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So I don't know, that with the combination of, you know, these people just super focused,
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super like, ignoring you in a way, you know, it was very strange.
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Not terrible, but just very strange, you know?
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We are strange people.
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I hope that this won't be the last special business trip that you make.
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And then maybe next time I can actually take you to some of my favorite restaurants.
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Why should it be the last? I hope it won't be. I hope it won't be. That's why I say I hope it won't be the last.
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Okay. Yeah, you were awesome Myke. I should tell the listeners
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Myke took care of me
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He was incredible
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You know, he took me from one part of London back to the airport. He never left me alone
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He got it all figured out for me. I didn't have to care about you know, any of the details. So if you ever
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if you ever need to be in London consider becoming friends with Myke a few years in advance.
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If you're ever going to be in London just ask Myke, he'll sort it out for you. You need a train ticket,
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he'll buy you a train ticket. I had a disclaimer, consider becoming friends with Myke a few years in
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advance so you can rest assured he will take care of you. You are a very good friend Myke, thank you.
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It's a pleasure, absolute pleasure. There was something I wanted to ask you about which I
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mentioned last week right so Apple had their Q4 2015 results and I don't really
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think it's worth too much talking about the things because it's basically
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exactly as we expected right so iPhone sales were higher than the previous
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quarter and beat expectations iPad sales were the lowest they've been in a long
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time right I mean none of this is a surprise except max sales maybe which is
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like the highest Mac sales on a quarter that there's been in years, right? But the
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revenue stuff is not, I mean it's basically the same as every other
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revenue discussion we've had over the last two years. You know, iPhones are up,
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Macs are doing okay, iPads are going down, but still selling more iPads than Mac.
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But you know, undeniable they're going down. Which is why, you know, it goes back
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to us talking about the idea of the iPad Pro and what Apple are potentially
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gonna be looking at doing there to try and bolster the iPad line to maintain
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Tim's bullishness. But what I wanted to ask you was how you go about assembling all of
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the charts and graphics that you do to put on the site and how you make that data, where
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does the data come from, do you have like documents that you just update every year,
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like how does that part of it come together? Because you put it together really, really
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Ok, so it's all automated on my end, at least the final part.
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So the data comes from Apple of course, every time they release the actual announcement,
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the press release, if you look closely there's a link to what they call the data sum, it's
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a summary like a table, it's a PDF document with a breakdown of units and revenue.
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to be more complex to read in the past but since Apple changed the way they report units
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and revenue, I think 2 to 3, 4 quarters ago maybe, it's become even easier to read and
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to find the latest data. So you get from this Apple PDF, you get two columns, one is units
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and the other is revenue and it's organized by device, so or rather like segment or product,
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iPhone, iPad services, other, or region.
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So you got all these numbers, and what we do is Graham,
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my co-writer at Mac Stories,
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he has an Excel document that he put together
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with a bunch of formulas to generate charts,
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and he takes care of this document.
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I never make changes to the formulas.
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He's created all these different commands behind the scenes.
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So I just need to enter the same numbers that I see in the Apple PDF.
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So he created this quick entry box in the spreadsheet.
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I only need to enter like 10 numbers and all the charts and the historical data is generated
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by the Excel formulas that he did.
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And he actually added, what's it called, a moving average chart a few months ago.
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Now he's considering adding more comparisons in the future.
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But the thing is, I don't understand anything about Excel.
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I just know how to enter numbers and how to export images.
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So he prepares the day before.
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He takes a look at the Excel document.
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He makes sure that everything is okay and he sends it to me.
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We prepare a draft of the article in advance so we can just fill in the numbers and post
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the article right after the announcement.
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So we look at the expectations from analysts.
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look at the year ago quarter data.
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We do all of that beforehand, of course.
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And when I get the Apple data summary on my iPad, now it's even easier because I can do
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I can see two apps at the same time.
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So I replicate the numbers from the data sum into the Excel document.
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I double check this quick entry box that I have in the spreadsheet.
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I tap once on an image, so I got another sheet which is just images, I tap once on a chart
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and I select copy.
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And then I have this workflow in the workflow app which is basically like three actions.
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It takes the clipboard, so the contents of the clipboard, it gets an image from the clipboard
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and it exports the image with iOS extensions.
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So I copy in Excel, I open Workflow and again I can put the two apps side by side to speed
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up the process.
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And I tap Play, I run the Workflow and in two seconds it prepares the image and it exports
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it to the share sheet.
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So I can just upload it with my Python script to my CDN, it's optimized and in another two
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seconds I have a URL to the image back in my clipboard which I can then paste into a
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editorial and update the post on WordPress with another workflow that I
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have that is custom made for Mac stories. So for just one image, like once I
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have the spreadsheet with all the images I can now with these new workflows I can
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go through the entire series of images in like five minutes at most.
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That's mind-boggling. I mean would you ever like consider doing a screencast or
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something at some point like this stuff is just so fascinating it is fascinating
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but it's also very custom made from XORs like the Python part right it
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communicates with Kraken which is this web service that we use oh I remember
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that yes I remember you going many many weeks through this process of trying to find an image
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resizer so for those following it works great we've been using it for almost a
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a year now, super happy, the API is great,
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works with Python, optimizes images.
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It's been saving me a lot of money.
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So for instance, I got this script that goes to Kraken
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and uploads to my Rackspace CDN container.
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So it's like, would it be useful to other people?
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Sure, but that's very specific need.
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How many people use Kraken and Rackspace Cloud files
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and then need to paste the link into editorial
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and use another workflow to update a post on WordPress.
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I guess when I tell you how it's done, it's fascinating.
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But in practice, the Python scripts are really ugly
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because I don't care about clean code.
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I just want to get the job done.
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- Yeah, no, I get it.
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So listening to you explain it
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is what's really fascinating to me.
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But as you say, you could basically,
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what you'd be doing is recording it for entertainment.
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Like people can't really get too much out of it
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because they would have to be writing for Mac stories, right?
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- 'Cause that's how it works.
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But I mean, you know, it's interesting.
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I like to hear it because, I mean,
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if you trace back to the beginnings of this show
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and like, you know, to the prompt and back further,
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like just listening to the way that you have optimized
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all of this stuff so it works on an iPad,
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it's just so fascinating to me.
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As I try and personally put more thought into using an iPad
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more in my daily life,
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there is just an element of all of this
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which is really, really interesting to me
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as to how can I start to leverage the incredible power
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that some of these applications have
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to get some of the work done that I need.
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And it's just something that I'm starting to think about
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a little bit more.
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So I'm just becoming more and more interested
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to hear about some of the bat poop crazy things
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that you do with your iPad.
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And it is mad, it really is mad.
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And like, I hear you do it and I'm like,
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could someone do this as quick on a Mac?
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Like, I don't know.
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- Oh, I tried for many years, believe me.
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- I mean, for some reason for you,
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this OS just matches with your way of working, right?
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That is what this fundamentally is like.
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it really fits with your brain.
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'Cause you know, you look at somebody like Jason, right?
00:30:28
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So Jason does a very similar thing on six colors,
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and he's able to put his stuff up real quick, right?
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So he has obviously worked out a way to do it on the Mac
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that makes super sense to him.
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So it's just really interesting to me to see
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how you're able to do it
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compared to how other people are able to do it.
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It's just something that I find quite interesting.
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- Yeah, I spent many, many weeks trying to optimize
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to the point where you start wondering,
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is the time I spend optimizing really worth the effort
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And the answer is for these very daily and recurring tasks,
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yes, absolutely.
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Because the time that I saved, you know,
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with these workflows to automate markdown
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or image uploading, I mean, for the iOS 9 review,
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I had more than 200 screenshots.
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And doing that without my scripts would have been crazy.
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So yes, I may have wasted a couple of weeks trying to find the perfect image uploading
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and optimizing service, but it saved me a lot of money because images are optimized
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and my CDM bill is lower.
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And it saved me a lot of time that I spent reading and rereading again the article.
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So you've got to be careful with the kind of optimizations and how much tweaking do
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you want to do because it can be a rabbit hole.
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You can spend your life optimizing for this potential future where you always need to
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be more optimized.
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So you've got to find an area, I guess, where you really see the practical benefits of scripts
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and automation.
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That's how I look at this problem.
00:32:10
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Alright, let me take a break and I want to talk about one of your favorite applications,
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Outlook and what is going on with Outlook and what Microsoft are up to because it's
00:32:22
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interesting to say the least.
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But first I want to talk about one of our lovely sponsors and that is our good friend
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He's such a great guy, he just had a kid. Congratulations to the Carroll family.
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is becoming a part of Outlook, right?
00:34:50
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This was announced earlier this week.
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So Sunrise was a calendar app.
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Outlook was previously an app called a Comply.
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Microsoft bought them both
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and is now starting to roll Sunrise into Outlook.
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- And now they're making a baby.
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- Yes, they're basically making Outlook Junior.
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And Outlook Junior, unfortunately,
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kills off his mom Sunrise, right?
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- Wow, that's creepy.
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- Is that how this ends up?
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This is it, right?
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This is what they're looking to do.
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They're looking to roll Sunrise into Outlook and then kill Sunrise.
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So tell me what's going on here.
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Is it perfect if they put exactly what we need?
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No, not yet.
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Basically the change right now is on paper because the Sunrise that they merged into
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Outlook is not really Sunrise.
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With the latest update on the App Store, they refreshed the interface of Outlook a little
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bit and they apparently got the Sunrise team to redo the interface of Outlook to kind of
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polish the way the emails are displayed, conversations, the icons are new, there's a bunch of new
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indicators for events and unread emails.
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It's more polished.
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But the calendar section is really the pre-existing Outlook calendar, only a little more refined.
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But if you were hoping to find all the many great touches of Sunrise, like when you type
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an event that contains a specific word like "meeting" or "doctor", you get a custom icon
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next to the event's name, so it helps you visually organize your calendar based on icons.
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There's no such thing as custom icons yet.
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Or there's no support for integrations with third-party services.
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So you could get your to-do list tasks or your foursquare checking information right
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alongside your calendar events.
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Microsoft says that all of these pre-existing features will come back to Outlook in the
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future and they're looking to release updates before the end of the year to bring feature
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parity between Sunrise and Outlook.
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Until that time they say we will keep Sunrise on the App Store until we have the same functionalities
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on both apps so we can discontinue Sunrise and move all users back to Outlook.
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And I gotta wonder, will it be too much to take everything that made Sunrise great, but
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it was a dedicated app, and push it into Outlook, where the calendar view is a tab of the app.
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Of course it can be a full app, it's a section of Outlook.
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So I wonder if it will be too much or if maybe we'll end up with some kind of lightweight
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version of Sunrise with some of the features that used to be the entire app.
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We don't know yet but there's a lot missing right now so it's not really Sunrise.
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There's a promise of Sunrise coming to Outlook and we got a more cleaned up interface in
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In the meantime, we're still not looking at Sunrise inside Outlook.
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We gotta wait a few more months, according to the Microsoft blog.
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So on the Sunrise blog, they said that you can expect features like interesting calendars,
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connected apps, and our three-day view to show up before the end of the year.
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So this maybe shows a commitment to bring some of the more interesting things from Sunrise.
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In my opinion, if they can do this, if they can pull this off, this is killer, right?
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because okay so I'm still in mailbox land okay anybody that's listened to Cortex a couple of
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weeks ago knows that I am in absolute just disarray about my email application situation
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but I am using Outlook as well so I'm like using them both I'm trying to like slowly move over to
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Outlook because I really like that app I think it's got a lot of great stuff the watch stuff is
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really good that works really great I like all of that the app itself works really nicely the
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search is pretty good so I'm trying to like get into the mindset of using an
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app like that. My main problem at the moment is outlook on the desktop sucks
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sucks it's nothing like this one and and if if Microsoft like just turn around
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said here is outlook and it has all of the great features from the iOS versions
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I would switch tomorrow that's the only thing that's kind of like holding me
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back is right like oh you know it because outlook can do a bit of that
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email manipulation stuff right like the snoozing of emails and stuff like that
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So if I want to do that, I want that to be mirrored across all of my platforms
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and the Outlook Mac app is not so good right now. So I'm kind of like floating
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between the two of them, but the Outlook app itself is just... it's fantastic.
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And they seem to be really dedicated. Like it's iOS 9 compatible,
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it's split-screen compatible, it's... you know? They just released the WatchOS 2 app.
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like this is whoever's building this whether it's like technically Microsoft
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or it's still the Accomplete team right I don't know how it actually works it
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seems like things are going pretty well there so I guess we can probably hope
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that it's gonna be okay right that they are gonna do what they said they were
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gonna do oh yeah they even said they got 30 million active users each month so
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So that's a lot of people using Outlook.
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I think they made a great choice with acquiring a company because clearly they had some kind
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of vision for the future of this app.
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And Microsoft, unlike Google, is being extremely conscious of the fact that they cannot force
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their own metaphors for functionality and interface from another platform onto iOS.
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being extremely good citizens when it comes to adopting interface, paradigms on iOS, new
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technologies such as iOS 9, support for bigger iPads, multitasking, watchOS, they're really
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doing a good job there.
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The idea of integrations coming to Outlook via Sunrise, it's not only interesting I think
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because of the potential utility in the calendar.
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So you see all these other details about external services
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into your list of events.
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But when you think about it,
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having Todoist integration into Outlook,
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it could mean that you should be able to save emails
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from the email part of Outlook into Todoist
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because you'll be no longer connecting a service to Sunrise.
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you will be connecting it to Outlook,
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which is the entire email app.
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So the potential for doing even more
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with the integrations is huge.
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You could connect your email inbox to a task manager
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and save emails as tasks,
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and then you could also see tasks in the calendar.
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You could do a bunch of crazy things there.
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- 'Cause apparently they're gonna be integrating
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with Microsoft-owned Wunderlist as well,
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or Wunderlist, I should say.
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- Yeah, they said they don't plan to do the same thing
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with Wunderlies to kind of--
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- No, not to like swallow it up,
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but there was a post on their Dev forum, I think,
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which was, it basically said that they were looking
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to have task integration built into Outlook.
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And VillaList is obviously top of that list
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'cause it's part of the same company.
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Yeah, that would be a disaster, right?
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Trying to bring that inside of Outlook.
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Like you got to stop somewhere.
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to stop somewhere.
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That's why I'm both kind of concerned and curious to see what they do with all these
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integrations to see how much they can enhance a calendar client without an email client
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without making it too complex or too complicated to use because there's too many options,
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too many settings.
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It's great I think that they're trying to modernize email by looking at all these integrations
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and trying to be, we want to embrace all these new iOS technologies, we want to be a great
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iOS app. And that's great. But I don't want to see them doing too much. Just to say, hey
00:43:17
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we've got all these features, we've got all these options and now people no longer know
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how to use the app. So that's always a risk of course, feature creep. You don't want to
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do that. So I guess we'll see how it goes before Christmas. They said before the end
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of the year they want to do updates with sunrise features so we'll see how it goes.
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Yeah, yeah I'm gonna keep my eye on this one I hope that it goes where we hope it
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will I mean there's a lot of potential here to make a real killer productivity
00:43:46
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app and Microsoft is still the company that can make that kind of stuff
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happen especially now very exciting Federica yesterday when we were embracing
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for the afternoon. Twitter exploded and turned faves into likes and replaced the
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styles of hearts. How do you feel about this? I don't feel. I mean whatever, right?
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It's an icon. I think people are reading way too much into
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this. Like, I understand that the fave among some circles of tech nerds, it's like an institution,
00:44:30
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right? It's the fave religion, like the fave meant this and it meant that, there's the sub-fave,
00:44:39
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and there's... You need to realize that these nerds are the same people who are at the same time,
00:44:45
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they're arguing for the future of Twitter, Twitter needs more people, Twitter needs more friendly,
00:44:50
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And when Twitter does something that's more friendly and more understandable, they scream in revolt.
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They're just "Oh my god, Twitter is killing us!"
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You know? I just don't understand.
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I mean, you want to save a tweet, now it's a heart instead of a star?
00:45:07
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Whatever! You can still do the same thing.
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It's just for the common user who doesn't know Twitter, doesn't know me,
00:45:14
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could be more familiar with Facebook.
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let's not hide the fact that people know Facebook more than Twitter.
00:45:19
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If you really want Twitter to be more popular, I mean they tried with the stars for a few years
00:45:27
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at this point, so try something new, could always be good for the business. You know,
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you gotta make it more approachable for millions of other potential users. And I know that
00:45:38
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hearts, likes won't save Twitter if the company needs any saving, if they won't bring 200 million
00:45:47
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new users to Twitter tomorrow morning. But it's, you know, changing a product is a series of many
00:45:54
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changes, many little changes. And it's easy to be, you know, the kind of armchair critic who knows
00:46:01
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best, what's best for every company in the Valley.
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I think, as usual, with any of these changes and memes that explode on Twitter, a lot of
00:46:16
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nerds need to chill and to understand that the world doesn't care too much about faves.
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And I say this as someone who over the years has accrued like thousands upon thousands
00:46:35
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I love the fave, I love the star.
00:46:37
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But if Twitter decides that it needs to try some new things around like moments, likes,
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all these other changes to make sure that more people get to know Twitter more easily
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and if the functionality doesn't go away, I'm all for it.
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And I don't particularly mind having a heart in my Twitter stream.
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I think we need more hearts.
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My feeling about this is it's just a different icon.
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It acts in the exact same way.
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You can put your own feeling onto it.
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But the thing is, the reason I think this works is so many other social networks use
00:47:18
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And I know that people are saying that Facebook is, you know, they call it likes and they
00:47:22
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a thumb and do that for a reason. But Facebook owned Instagram uses hearts. Vine uses hearts.
00:47:30
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Periscope uses hearts. Apple Music uses hearts. Exactly, but like considering the fact that
00:47:36
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three of the companies that Twitter owns uses hearts for their system like this,
00:47:40
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it makes like you know they have like... Vine uses hearts, Periscope uses hearts. It makes sense to me
00:47:47
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that twitter uses hearts and it might upset you right because you like the stars but i would say
00:47:54
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to most people that are upset at this remember how everybody felt when twitter instituted the
00:48:00
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retweet you know like the official retweet people were really mad about that oh yeah like like the
00:48:07
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world was ending basically i would try not to worry about this if all the things twitter could
00:48:12
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do this is not too bad. I wanted to see what you thought of it and you feel pretty much
00:48:18
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exactly the same as I do which is good to see. Yeah I feel like you know there's always
00:48:24
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some tension between the, so I call it the idealistic nerd who on paper is all for change
00:48:33
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you know we need to change, we need to evolve, technology needs to embrace more people and all
00:48:38
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all those ideals. But then when change is upon the idealistic nerd, he tends to hide
00:48:49
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and be defensive about it and say "No, I don't want change. Why are you changing
00:48:53
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this?" So on paper, you're pushing for "I want more people of all extractions,
00:49:00
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people who understand other popular networks, other popular pieces of software. I want those
00:49:05
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people to also understand my software. So beforehand you say "yeah we need to be more
00:49:09
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open, we need to change, we need to explore" and then when you do get the change it's
00:49:17
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the end of the world as you know it. And that's just such a peculiar and I don't want to
00:49:26
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say silly but I'm going to say you need to understand and I realize this is a very
00:49:33
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specific problem because the world doesn't care about faves and likes but we are talking
00:49:39
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about it so you need to understand that these things people don't care about but if you
00:49:45
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change them, if you make the entire package in a bunch of places, so it's an icon there,
00:49:53
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it's a menu here, you know if you make all these little changes they do add up over time
00:49:58
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So people may not care about the history or the politics behind the fave and the like,
00:50:05
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but a social network like Twitter is a bunch of little features.
00:50:08
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So they may not care about the behind the scenes stuff as we as geeks do, but the overall
00:50:15
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product can be beneficial to people like my mom who doesn't understand Twitter and she
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uses Twitter just to read my tweets in English.
00:50:27
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I don't understand why she does that, but if her icon, which she knows, is simpler to
00:50:34
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use and more understandable than a star, and my mom starts using likes on Twitter, I guess
00:50:42
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that's a good thing.
00:50:44
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So you know, change is a weird beast.
00:50:51
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We appreciate the idea of change, but many times when they change our software, we are
00:50:57
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mad about it.
00:50:59
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And I guess, you know, this will be an unpopular opinion, but we'll be fine.
00:51:09
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That's what I think.
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We'll be fine.
00:51:12
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It's not, you know.
00:51:13
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It could have been a worse icon, you know.
00:51:16
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It could have been, I don't know, a dollar.
00:51:18
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It could have been a lamp.
00:51:20
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A little egg?
00:51:21
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It could have been a little egg.
00:51:23
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It could have been a bird.
00:51:25
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It's a heart.
00:51:26
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So you know, unless you're CGP Grey who's a robot, everyone has a heart and will be
00:51:33
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Well, I want to know that I heart you.
00:51:35
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I heart you too, Myke.
00:51:37
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And I also heart Harry's, who sponsored me.
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Wow, that's perfect.
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Look at that.
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It is November, which means it's time for Movember.
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If you've never heard of Movember, Movember is a time during the month of November when
00:51:53
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you will see guys grow crazy looking moustaches in support of men's health issues.
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So I remember when I was working in the company that I was in before I quit to become independent
00:52:04
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and during this time working in the city or working in big buildings it was always funny
00:52:09
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to see loads of guys with varying levels of terrible moustaches.
00:52:14
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Some people would have great ones, some people could barely grow them but it was a lot of
00:52:17
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fun and it was a great way to benefit a good cause by raising donations from friends and family.
00:52:23
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Well, Harry's is the official razor partner of the Movember Foundation and they will be donating
00:52:28
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money and helping raise awareness of this campaign. So if you're looking to get involved in Movember
00:52:33
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you're going to need a great razor to help you so you should be checking out Harry's. They have
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bought a blade manufacturer because they knew they needed the right blades and they have
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great products. Their razors are really cool, they look great, they feel great in the hand,
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they're great to use. I mean you know people say about me with my beard, of course I have
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a beard, but to get a great looking beard like the one I have you have to trim that
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thank you so much to Harry's for their support this year. So the Apple TV now we
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on upgrade this week me and Jason were joined by Joe Steele and we kind of
00:54:46
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really went into the device and picked it apart and said the things that we
00:54:50
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liked and kind of focused quite a bit on the things that we didn't like from a
00:54:53
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kind of hardware perspective the setup stuff and things like that but I wanted
00:54:57
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to talk about some different things of you today Federico I wanted to talk
00:54:59
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about apps and games. So first off though, because we haven't had the chance to talk
00:55:06
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about this yet, I want to get your thoughts on the hardware itself. What do you think
00:55:11
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about the Apple TV? Do you like the remote?
00:55:15
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The Apple TV is fine, it's just a small box. The TV remote I do like with two potentially
00:55:27
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major reservations. First one is the trackpad is okay for navigation, I don't think they're
00:55:37
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doing, at least developers or Apple, I don't know who's to blame here, I don't think the
00:55:43
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trackpad does a good job for games. It's too small, I find myself struggling to control
00:55:51
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games with the trackpad so I have to use a controller and I just don't think it makes
00:55:57
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for a good input mechanism for games.
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At least those that I've tried so far.
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Could be that those games are conversions from iOS and will get an Apple TV only exclusive
00:56:08
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game in the future that truly understands the trackpad.
00:56:12
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That day is not today.
00:56:14
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problem is that I'm constantly getting the orientation of the remote wrong
00:56:21
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because the controls on the remote are exactly in the middle
00:56:27
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and the remote is entirely black and there's a symmetry between the top half
00:56:32
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and the bottom half so when I'm picking it up in the dark because I'm watching
00:56:37
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TV or playing a game and I want to change something with the remote I'm
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constantly switching the bottom half for the top one. So I'm either swiping on the wrong part of the remote or tapping a button instead of the other because it's basically upside down.
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And I know you can feel the remote by touching the different surfaces of the glass and the trackpad, but it's not enough for me to quickly understand.
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whereas the old one at a glance you could tell, ok, the controls are at the top
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so this is the right orientation of the remote
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now it's mostly symmetrical between the two halves of the device
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and I'm really struggling to pick it up in the correct way
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or to at least by feel quickly adjusting it in my hand
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so I make sure that I'm controlling the right end of the remote
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But aside from that, which maybe it's something that I will get used to, I don't know,
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I think it's fine. It's a nice upgrade from the previous Apple TV.
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And I'm not a huge TV, what do you say, consumer.
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I don't watch TV, I only watch TV shows and the occasional comedy movie.
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So, you know, I'm not a movie person. I know that.
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Yeah, it's a shame that Steven isn't here this week because obviously me and you have
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spoken about this, we don't really have much to say on a TV front, which is why I was more
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interested in your opinion on apps and games, right?
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So maybe he can fill us in about how he's using it as a TV box.
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Just a quick aside, someone wasn't happy about my comments on not knowing Fassbender, the
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actor from the Steve Jobs movie, and that person said that I sounded condescending.
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I'm sorry if I did but it wasn't meant as a slide to people who watch movies.
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I think everyone should have his own hobby and there's nothing wrong about watching
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movies it's just I don't watch a lot of movies.
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I do keep up with the occasional gossip from Hollywood and Fassbender is a name that I
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haven't heard before.
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I asked my close friends and my parents if they knew who this actor is, I showed them
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pictures they didn't know him.
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I was just saying from my limited understanding of pop culture and famous actors from Hollywood,
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I've never seen this person before.
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Now this listener got really upset at my tone and I'm sorry if you did but it's just you
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know I don't know this person so I was just... and I like to make fun and crack a few jokes
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here and there. But I'm not condescending. I think people who watch movies, people who
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play video games, people who read books, they're all obvious and it's great.
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I think what we've learned is just nobody in Italy knows who Michael Fassbender is.
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He has an Italy problem. We need to get onto his agent.
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Yeah, yeah. Anyway.
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I want to talk about some of the things, some of the games and stuff that I've liked. Now
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we both have the Nimbus controller, right?
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Now I wasn't going to get one of these, but I tried out a few games and I could see some
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potential in them, so I decided that I'd pick up the controller.
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Because like Alto's Adventure is a game that I love very dearly, and I tried playing it
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on the Apple TV with the remote and it's kind of broken, you know?
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You have to click the remote to make Alto jump, or any of the characters that you're
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I play as Maya, she is my favourite character, I think she's the best.
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You should really be tapping I think to make it work, because when you click on the remote
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There's like a there's this stuff every slight delay, but that's all it takes but on the controller using the Nimbus controller
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It's brilliant. It works perfectly and I found that with so many games like crossy road
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Mm-hmm sucks with the remote trying to move the little guy around you can't do a quick enough with a d-pad on the Nimbus controller
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It's awesome. Right? Yeah, like so geometry wars. I wouldn't even attempt to play geometry wars big
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with the remote because Geometry Wars is a double stick a double analog stick
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game right it always has been that's how you play it again works pretty good on
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the Nimbus controller I'm not a big fan of their analog sticks I don't think
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that they're very great and very comfortable yeah the rest of the
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controller itself is good it feels good in the hand it's not massively expensive
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it's the price of a controller but you know Geometry Wars plays well on it
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Asphalt 8 as well I tried out, which is fine. My problem with that is like that
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game is graphically quite intensive so every time I was selecting something it
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was having to download more content right you know like the whole on-demand
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content or whatever it's called the on-demand something it was having to
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download a lot of those it plays fine it tries to be a console game it doesn't
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look like a console game but it tries to be one and it you know again does a good
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job with the controller. So overall like this is just again shown to me like why
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why isn't there a controller like that is the only real way to play games on
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this thing except for Beat Sports which is charming and I love it.
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Did you have you played Beat Sports? Oh Federico you've got to get Beat
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Sports. Yeah is it a single-player multiplayer game? It is single-player but
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you can have multiplayer but I think the multiplayer is a bit weird but play the
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single player. I'm telling you it's great. You know you were just saying a moment
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ago about like the game design for Apple TV? That's it.
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Okay. Because when you play on the iPhone you just swipe left and right I believe
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like when you're doing two-player that you use an iPhone for it you swipe left
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and right is my understanding I think that's how you do it. But you you use the
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little remote it's like a bat to hit so you like swing the bat around. That is
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the game designed for the Apple TV. Takes advantage of what is in the Apple TV
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remote and it's great. The rest of them need the controller.
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Yeah, I agree. I've only been playing, I've played a bunch of Cross
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played the first 30 minutes, didn't stick with me, I never finished the game.
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Now I'm playing on the TV, the game has been remastered to full HD, 60 frames per second,
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it looks fantastic on the TV, and okay, it's really, I wouldn't say a rip-off, but it's a Zelda clone.
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Yeah, Oceanhorn is basically an homage to Zelda.
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Very strong one. Down to some of the music, I can see some similarities there.
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The controls, the items, the entire mechanic of moving from island to island that's basically been lifted from Zelda Wind Waker.
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It's very Zelda inspired, let's say. But it's a good game, you know?
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the atmosphere is good, the colors are fantastic, looks great on the Apple TV, plays very nice
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with the Nimbus controller and it's the closest thing to a Zelda game I could have right now,
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especially following the disappointment of Triforce Heroes on the 3DS and not showing
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the new Zelda on the Wii U. I want to play some Zelda-like game, I can play Oceanhorn
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on the Apple TV. It's a good game. You can tell where it comes from, but it's a good
01:04:23
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Now my understanding was that charts had made their way to the Apple TV.
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Yeah, but only...
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Only in the US App Store, I think.
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Right, okay. Yeah, weird that that's not there. Why do you think that is? Do you think it's
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just because there's not enough apps?
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Most of Apple TV apps, they're available in more than just the US.
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Maybe logistics, maybe I don't know.
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Maybe the guy who works at the European office is just sleeping.
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I don't know.
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There's no real reason here because the Apple TV came out in a bunch of countries at once.
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Apps tend to be available in multiple markets on the App Store, so why is there no top chart
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section outside of America?
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I don't know.
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No idea, Myke.
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It's a weird omission, that's what I'm going to say.
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I saw a tweet go by.
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I saw this thing as well.
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So this is from a guy by the name Myke Piatek-Heminis, I'm going to say.
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And he had an app called Seasonality TV, which was number 31 in the top grossing overall
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in the tvOS app store.
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With only, and he says, in four days, total four days, the app had made $200.
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Now I don't think that's very good numbers wise.
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That doesn't feel to be number 31, right?
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So I think what this maybe highlights is the limited market that is currently existing
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for the Apple TV.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And I also, I want to say, I think Apple didn't help third party developers with this launch.
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The App Store was especially limited, no categories to browse, search of course was too difficult
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to do with the trackpad because there's no remote update to type on the iPhone.
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So they weren't exactly helping developers with, say, ways for users to find their apps.
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And so I would say that maybe those games and those apps that were featured on the front
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page, they got some nice sales, maybe, I don't know, I'm not those developers. But for all
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these other guys with apps on the Apple TV app store, you gotta give people an easier
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way to find their apps. So you cannot link to apps. If you wanna search for an app, you
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gotta type the name on the trackpad.
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Because you can't search by Siri for apps either.
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search for Siri, using Siri, there's no categories to browse, so now you have top charts, but
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what about the first 4 to 5 days when it's, you know, the first day, the moment you get
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a TV out of the box, you say "Ok, what am I supposed to download here?" That's when
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you gotta give people ways to discover apps. So instead, what you got them is a featured
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page on the App Store. So imagine this, imagine if the Apple Watch launched to a single App
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store with no categories, no ways to search easily, and without the iOS app store as a
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back end, which is where I would argue most people found apps for the Apple Watch.
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It's really problematic if you're an indie developer and you were hoping to get some
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kind of promotion or visibility, not necessarily to be featured, but to be found, and that's
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Imagine a department store where they just showed you what's in the windows and you couldn't
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go inside and you had to talk to a guy through a little hole in the window and
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tell him what you wanted. And he's like I've got tons of stuff in the stock
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in like in the back here like if you want something and you're like well
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what you got and he's got well just tell me a letter and we'll start the search.
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It's not how it works man like you gotta you gotta try and surface it like already
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there's not a ton of ways for people to discover things in the iOS App Store.
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giving people even less places to find things in the in the Apple TV App Store
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is not great. I mean I want to mirror this like so to underscore this point a
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little bit I'm looking at the Apple TV App Store right now and it's the best
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looking App Store right like those little the way you can like I don't know
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what you'd call it but like move the little cards around and see the 3d
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effects. It's awesome! The whole UI is one of my favorite UI
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designs that Apple has ever done. It's so clean. I love that all of the artwork
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doesn't have names anywhere until you hover over them.
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And the artwork is nice rectangles which enable more interest in
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design. I think all of that is great but there's just some parts of
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it that just make it very 1.0. And the problem is
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reason why, like I think people that are being a bit critical of this, I think
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it's justified when Apple was saying like this is the future of TV right like
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this is the best thing ever so you expect it to be super super awesome and
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there are some really great things about it right but I'm just being like this is
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a slow burner for me like there is a lot of work that needs to happen from
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developer side from Apple side to really make this the next big platform.
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I think there's the potential there. There's some really interesting stuff
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that you can do with this type of technology and to have something
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connected to such a big screen but I think that there is a lot more needs to
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be done and one of the first things that needs to happen is Apple need to make a
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video game controller because they need they need to just just put their money
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where their mouth is with it right. The Nimbus controller is great and they're
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promoting it awesome but I think it would make a bigger statement if Apple
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made one. It doesn't even have to be good they're just gonna make one right just
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to say like this is what you do this is how you make this. So there's a brand
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new show on RealAFM today called Under the Radar. It's by Michael Arman and
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_DavidSmith. We are honored to host this show it's about development.
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They talk about kind of everything that goes into being a developer and it's a
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weekly show no longer than 30 minutes which is fantastic. So let's get started.
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That is the whole thing. I just need to say I can't help it. I need to say that.
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lost count of the amount of times I've seen people say let's get started today.
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So it's riffing on developing perspective and that's it
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right so developing perspective which was Underscore's show previously was 15
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minutes so there's two of them now so it's 30 minutes so it's basically the
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merging of developing perspective and build and analyze so that's the
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promotional part that I wanted to talk about but they had a great discussion on
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their episode that came out today about adapting to the market and both of them
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were talking about the fact that right now neither of them have anything in the
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store right but they both got the dev kits but the problem that they found was
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trying to devote the time to make something for another platform right so
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they both have iOS apps they both have iPad apps they both have services that
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need to run they both have watch apps so it was like to be an independent iOS app
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developer and to be like you know a fully good one if you as you'd say you
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have to do a lot of work on a lot of different platforms and it's I listening
01:12:06
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to the way that they were talking about it it feels like that there is potential
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harm for this platform because it is yet another one to work for which is
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unproven and the only way it is proven it's like a chicken and egg scenario
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right you need the apps to make it a great platform but to make it for to
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incentivize people to make the apps the platform has to be great.
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Yeah. What do you think? Do you think that the Apple TV has the potential?
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Yes but it needs time, you know, and it needs many updates. Especially when the
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this potentially strongest advocates for your new device. So people like us, they
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are annoyed by some very clear limitations that you should have seen coming. You gotta
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make those people happy first. People start recommending the product, the product becomes
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more understandable by the masses. So search the remote, you gotta fix these basic things
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I think. And with the device, and especially App Store Discovery, I feel like we're repeating
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the same mistakes over and over. And I would strongly advise developers to consider carefully
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whether they want to make their apps and games universal downloads on iOS and tvOS or standalone
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downloads on tvOS. So, you know, do your math, consider your costs for making software for
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iOS, TVOS, then you gotta use some web components, iCloud, maybe have a watchOS version. It's
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a lot of platforms, man. It's a lot of different devices that you gotta account for. So if
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you're a developer, don't just maybe jump on yet another TV version of your app. Like
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many developers did watch kit versions of their apps back in April. And how many of
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you are using those apps now anyway. So maybe take your time, you know, it won't be the
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end of the world, the TV is not as quickly adopted as a new iPhone. So you get time,
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consider the platform, see where it's going and I would strongly advise Apple to start
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releasing updates to fix these basic annoyances and to take a good hard look at the App Store
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and consider how if they want the future of the TV to be the Apple TV, and if that future
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includes apps, you got to make it easy for people to support apps, to find apps, to install
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and manage apps.
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We need updates and we need time.
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We got to check back after the next few updates to see how it's going.
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I'm not sure how I feel about the universal app.
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Yeah, me neither.
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I feel like this really should have been one where they didn't do that.
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I mean, let me say, right, as a consumer, it's really great that I just went to my
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purchase tab and downloaded a bunch of video games for free, right?
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That's cool as a consumer, but that it feels dangerous for the development
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community to be like the expectation that this is like, this is something
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completely different.
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This is a TV.
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It's not iOS, right?
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It's not even, it's not called iOS. I know it is iOS basically, but it's not called that.
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This was a scenario where Apple could have said, you know, like you're used to with many of your apps on the Mac and iOS,
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your preferences and your saves will sync across using iCloud, but you need to pay again for this stuff.
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That, I believe that's what should have happened because we're talking about the idea of how difficult it is for developers
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to have to put another system in. Well now for many of them this is adding another system in,
01:16:00
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more development time, for no more money. That's a problem to me I think.
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Yeah, yeah. I don't know what to think yet, yeah. I guess I wanna-
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Services like Netflix, services like YouTube, right?
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Yeah I mean of course.
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Free apps that benefit from being everywhere, like of course they remain free. But Crossy Road
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and Transistor and Oceanhorn. Like I feel like you should be paying again for these
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games. I really do. It's difficult, it's really difficult to think about it because
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you know like I think about it as a consumer like me and you always
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complaining on virtual about the fact that you have to play like that Nintendo
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don't sync your game saves and stuff like that and they do don't do cross by
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and cross by is really great but I don't know man it just it feels it feels like
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it's really kind of making it difficult for people to make money. It's difficult
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because I like I'll be honest about it like I'm I'm can't you kind of sit in
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the middle of it you can be a friend to developers and understanding what they
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go through and then you think about it as a consumer and it's like it's awesome
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that I pay $2.99 and I've got this game everywhere. It's a real kind of tough
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line but I feel like this was one where they at least could have just started
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again and made people pay again but that hasn't happened and I think that
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ultimately that may be a problem for Apple TV. Did you have anything else that
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you wanted to add on this? Yes, just a note, not on the TV but a quick note
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before we end the show, I got an email about an update to Evernote on the
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App Store which now supports sketches in Notes. You can now draw sketches and it
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It supports multitasking and it's been updated for the iPad Pro with Apple Pencil support.
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This is interesting, right, that they're doing sketches exactly like notes, basically.
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And part of me says they must have felt the pressure from the Free Notes app, but also
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Evernote owns Penultimate, you know, the sketching app.
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So I wonder if it will be kind of merged into Evernote like Microsoft is doing for Sunrise
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and Outlook.
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But it's interesting that Evernote is now trying to do the same feature set of the free
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Notes app and with support for the iPad Pro, Apple Pencil, it will be interesting to test
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this to see what they're doing here.
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I think it is going to be interesting over the next few weeks, right?
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the rumor is maybe next week the iPad Pro goes on sale, I saw that on 9to5Mac.
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It's going to be interesting over the next week or so to see the apps that are being
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updated and if they're going to take advantage of the iPad Pro.
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So this is another one, right?
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This is another one that is potentially going to be adding more work in for these people.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I want to see if it's yet another feature in Evernote, you know?
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Like another one?
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We'll see how it goes, Myke.
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Alright, I think it's time to wrap up.
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We wish our Android loving friend Steven Hackett to get better soon.
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But if you want to find the show notes for this week, you'll find us all online.
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There's a few things that you can do.
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You can go on over to relay.fm/connected/64 if you want to find our show notes for this
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If you want to find Federico online he is @Vittici on twitter and he writes over at
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MaxLories.net and I am @imike on twitter if you'd like to follow along there.
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I'll mention it again, go check out Under The Radar, it's a great new show from RelayFM,
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we're so excited to have a development focused show on the network.
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I feel like it was one of the last things really in our technology coverage that we
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were missing on the network.
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And so I'm really really happy that we have something that's focused now on indie app
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development and we have two fantastic indie app developers to kind of talk about this
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So go check it out.
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It's only 30 minutes every Tuesday so it's not going to take a massive chunk of your
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listening time either.
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Thanks again to our sponsors this week, the great people over at Harry's, Linda, and of
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course our lovely accountant Mr Andrew Carroll for supporting this week's episode.
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Most of all, thank you for listening.
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We'll be back next time.
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Until then, say goodbye Federico.
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Arrivederci.