Connected

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00:00:06 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected, and this is episode number 65. Today's show

00:00:11 ◼   ► is kindly brought to you by Braintree, Casper and Igloo. My name is Myke Hurley

00:00:16 ◼   ► and I'm joined by Mr Stephen Hackett. Hello Mr Hackett.

00:00:19 ◼   ► Hello Myke, how are you? I am very well, very well indeed. We have a special

00:00:22 ◼   ► episode today as I mentioned and we have the man of the hour here,

00:00:25 ◼   ► Mr Federico Vittucci. Hello guys. How are you doing Federico?

00:00:29 ◼   ► You sound very professional.

00:00:31 ◼   ► - I do, I'm glad I got fancy new equipment.

00:00:35 ◼   ► I'm almost a professional podcasters.

00:00:37 ◼   ► - Well, you know, you're professional in all manners.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Your iPad has been upgraded to professional,

00:00:41 ◼   ► your microphone's been upgraded to professional,

00:00:43 ◼   ► we're ready to go.

00:00:44 ◼   ► - It's the pro week.

00:00:46 ◼   ► - It is indeed.

00:00:47 ◼   ► So we're assuring our usual format today

00:00:49 ◼   ► because today's episode is all about the iPad Pro,

00:00:53 ◼   ► which Federico has had for about a week now

00:00:55 ◼   ► and he's probably loving it.

00:00:57 ◼   ► (Federico laughs)

00:00:58 ◼   ► That's a joke, right? Yeah, eight days. That's how long I've been playing with this device.

00:01:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:05 ◼   ► So did you steal this? Like, how did this come into your possession?

00:01:08 ◼   ► Well, basically you just need to break into the Apple Europe offices and know where to look,

00:01:14 ◼   ► and you just go home and you get an iPad Pro. No, that's not really the story.

00:01:19 ◼   ► So remember last week we met in London, Myke?

00:01:24 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:01:24 ◼   ► the reason why I was in London is that I was picking up an iPad Pro. Really? Yeah, I was in London last week and I flew back home on the same day.

00:01:40 ◼   ► In fact Myke, you took me to the airport. We were on a train, it was a really

00:01:46 ◼   ► professional train. I was actually surprised by the cleanliness of the

00:01:50 ◼   ► train in London. We don't get those kinds of trainings in Rome. I imagine now that I

00:01:54 ◼   ► I was kind of like your bodyguard, right?

00:01:56 ◼   ► Protecting the iPad.

00:01:57 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:01:58 ◼   ► You were protecting me from possible London thieves.

00:02:02 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:02:04 ◼   ► - Basically, you know, they were trying to get my iPad.

00:02:07 ◼   ► I flew back on the same night.

00:02:10 ◼   ► I couldn't use the iPad Pro on the plane,

00:02:14 ◼   ► but as soon as I got home,

00:02:15 ◼   ► my girlfriend and I prepared a nice dinner,

00:02:19 ◼   ► and then I started playing with the iPad,

00:02:21 ◼   ► and I started to set up all my apps, all my accounts.

00:02:25 ◼   ► It was a clean installation of iOS 9.1.

00:02:29 ◼   ► So it comes with iOS 9.1.

00:02:31 ◼   ► It's a special build for the iPad Pro.

00:02:33 ◼   ► And I basically spent the first night

00:02:36 ◼   ► just trying to set up all my apps

00:02:38 ◼   ► and logging into web services,

00:02:41 ◼   ► installing Dropbox and 1Password,

00:02:44 ◼   ► because that's what you do as soon as you set up

00:02:45 ◼   ► a new iOS device.

00:02:47 ◼   ► And I think I basically took it away until 5 or 6 a.m.

00:02:57 ◼   ► Because I was really excited to kind of play around,

00:03:01 ◼   ► trying to get some work done.

00:03:02 ◼   ► Because one of my initial concerns was,

00:03:08 ◼   ► if I want to write about this, I should be able to use it first.

00:03:12 ◼   ► It's not like I'm just reviewing this device as it is.

00:03:16 ◼   ► if this needs to be my main computer, I need to spend the first couple of days,

00:03:21 ◼   ► maybe more, and like the entire week trying to work on it. So it was like

00:03:26 ◼   ► a dual process of trying to write the review and trying to use the device as

00:03:30 ◼   ► my main and only computer, just like I used to do on the iPad R2.

00:03:35 ◼   ► So initially I struggled, and I think I told you guys this, I struggled to

00:03:40 ◼   ► balance, you know, I need to review this, but I also need to use this as I would

00:03:44 ◼   ► normally do. But eventually it was all okay and the review was done in time and we got

00:03:50 ◼   ► here to this point today where all the reviews are coming out. So it's a nice day, Myke.

00:03:57 ◼   ► It is indeed. So you've been using it solely as your device for the last eight days?

00:04:01 ◼   ► Yes, exclusively as my... Just like the iPad R2, I removed the SIM card from my iPad R2,

00:04:09 ◼   ► I got a 128 gig model of the iPad Pro, Wi-Fi installer, so I put in my SIM card, and as

00:04:15 ◼   ► soon as my SIM card moves from one device to the other, the other device becomes my

00:04:19 ◼   ► primary one. That's the sign that recognizes. That's the mark. It's my main device, the

00:04:27 ◼   ► one with the SIM card.

00:04:28 ◼   ► Yeah, it's always interesting when you review something of that line of, "I need to review

00:04:35 ◼   ► this thing and like get my workflow set up but I also need to keep working and

00:04:39 ◼   ► do my job. Right? So if you're reviewing something really different than what you

00:04:42 ◼   ► normally do that can be that can be challenging. So I commend your your

00:04:48 ◼   ► approach to this and I think that it's a good one as someone who you get your job

00:04:53 ◼   ► done on an iPad you run a successful website you do all these things from

00:04:58 ◼   ► your tablet the only way you could review something and and really

00:05:02 ◼   ► understand it is to do your business on it to fully dive in so I like the way

00:05:08 ◼   ► that you went about testing this and I think that it shows in the review that

00:05:12 ◼   ► you know you're not on your iPad air to doing Mac stories and the iPad Pro every

00:05:17 ◼   ► couple hours to like check something you know but yeah you do have all the way in

00:05:21 ◼   ► and I think that you know that's that's something why you have one why you're

00:05:25 ◼   ► able to do this review that you have that perspective that a lot of people

00:05:28 ◼   ► don't have because it is your primary computer which of course we're going to

00:05:32 ◼   ► get get into but um yeah I like the way you went about this. Thank you and I mean

00:05:38 ◼   ► you can get even more Inception style I mean the review itself needed to be done

00:05:44 ◼   ► on an iPad Pro because the review was also working for me you know it's that's

00:05:48 ◼   ► work so I needed to do my regular tasks on the iPad Pro I also needed to write

00:05:54 ◼   ► the review but the review itself needed to be done on an iPad Pro so it was all

00:05:58 ◼   ► you know, it was all a cycle. In a weird way, like the most perfect task for this

00:06:03 ◼   ► device is its own review. It's a review in itself. How interesting is that?

00:06:10 ◼   ► Yes exactly. Alright let's start talking about the hardware itself. So we're gonna

00:06:15 ◼   ► break this down into a few different topics. So like hardware, software and

00:06:20 ◼   ► accessories, which is kind of like the way that you broke down your reviews as

00:06:24 ◼   ► as well. So let's talk about the weight of the device. Now my memory tells me

00:06:30 ◼   ► that the iPad Pro is the same weight as the original iPad and it's funny because

00:06:37 ◼   ► you know you think about the original iPad that was perfectly fine weight wise

00:06:40 ◼   ► but as they've gotten lighter and lighter over the years the thought of

00:06:43 ◼   ► going back to a previous model was like death so when I heard about this my

00:06:47 ◼   ► imagination was well it's gonna be too heavy so tell me what you think about

00:06:51 ◼   ► at Federica? So it's heavier than the iPad R2 but the big difference is it's

00:06:57 ◼   ► also much bigger. You got 6.5 centimeters from one side in terms of

00:07:04 ◼   ► gain and you got five centimeters on the other side so it's much bigger and the

00:07:10 ◼   ► difference when you when you put the two of them side by side or maybe on

00:07:15 ◼   ► top of the other as I have in one of my pictures you really can see the

00:07:19 ◼   ► difference. It's a much bigger screen. So my first reaction when I first saw an iPad Pro on a table was that it looked like a MacBook display without the body, just the screen.

00:07:32 ◼   ► And when I picked it up, so in my mind for some reason my muscle memory kind of adjusted to believing that as soon as I was gonna pick it up, it would be as heavy as a MacBook Air.

00:07:46 ◼   ► So when you pick one up, it's strange because it is heavier of course, but it's also much lighter than you would expect from a device that size.

00:07:58 ◼   ► And the thing that gets me every time is that it's really well balanced.

00:08:04 ◼   ► So there's no way to tell the top from the bottom in terms of weight.

00:08:11 ◼   ► just it's this huge screen and it's very well balanced.

00:08:15 ◼   ► It's got the same unibody construction of the iPad R2 so it's really

00:08:20 ◼   ► the finish and the weight, it really feels good in the hand

00:08:25 ◼   ► and there's no particular moment when I was like

00:08:31 ◼   ► this is too heavy for what it does and

00:08:34 ◼   ► the weight distribution I think, they've done a really good job there.

00:08:38 ◼   ► So of course it's strange because when you remember the first iPad and it was thick and it was a 10 inch device

00:08:45 ◼   ► and in your mind you go "I don't want to go back to a device that's so heavy".

00:08:51 ◼   ► But you also gotta remember that it's basically a 13 inch device, the iPad Pro.

00:08:57 ◼   ► And it's just slightly thicker than the iPad R2 and I couldn't tell the difference really in daily usage

00:09:04 ◼   ► in terms of the thickness increase. So it's heavier and when you pick up an iPad Pro and an iPad R2,

00:09:11 ◼   ► you know, one hand with the Pro, the other hand with the Air 2, you can tell the difference.

00:09:18 ◼   ► But it's also not too heavy for the kind of screen that it has. And I got a big disclaimer about this

00:09:25 ◼   ► in my review. This really comes down to the size of your hands, how comfortable you are with holding

00:09:32 ◼   ► a 12.9 inch device, what exactly you aim to do with the iPad. Are you okay with holding

00:09:39 ◼   ► your iPad with two hands for just a couple of minutes? Or do you want to run a marathon

00:09:43 ◼   ► holding your iPad? I don't know why you would want to do that. But it really depends on

00:09:48 ◼   ► your kind of physical usage, like your physical interaction between your hands and the iPad.

00:09:53 ◼   ► Because this thing is heavier. But for me, it's not too heavy.

00:09:59 ◼   ► Did you feel fatigued after holding it for a while?

00:10:02 ◼   ► So you're reading in bed.

00:10:04 ◼   ► Did you feel the weight of it then?

00:10:06 ◼   ► Because the funny thing about it, whilst it's not too heavy, it's bigger in every way, right?

00:10:11 ◼   ► So it is kind of, I would assume, maybe more cumbersome to deal with.

00:10:17 ◼   ► It's not as portable as an iPad R2 or an iPad Mini in the sense that my hand can go all

00:10:25 ◼   ► the way from one side of the screen to the other.

00:10:28 ◼   ► So I can pick up an iPad mini just with a single hand with my thumb and another finger

00:10:34 ◼   ► on the other side.

00:10:35 ◼   ► I cannot do that on the iPad Pro.

00:10:37 ◼   ► So it's not as easy to maneuver basically, like you can't just like very quickly pick

00:10:41 ◼   ► it up from the table?

00:10:42 ◼   ► No, you can do that.

00:10:45 ◼   ► Depending on if you pick it up from a corner, you can do that.

00:10:48 ◼   ► I do that all the time.

00:10:49 ◼   ► So when I'm in the kitchen and I leave the iPad Pro on the kitchen table, I just grab

00:10:53 ◼   ► it if I want to check something.

00:10:54 ◼   ► So that's totally doable.

00:10:56 ◼   ► What's different is if you were to compare holding the iPad Pro and the iPad Air 2 just

00:11:05 ◼   ► on your wrists for, I don't know, 10 minutes, maybe by the end you would feel more fatigue

00:11:13 ◼   ► on the iPad Pro because it's heavier.

00:11:17 ◼   ► What I think I've done is I have naturally adjusted to kind of either using my lap or

00:11:23 ◼   ► or using my elbows as a kind of resting area for when I'm holding the iPad Pro.

00:11:30 ◼   ► But when I'm walking around the house, I need to walk often and I need to stretch.

00:11:35 ◼   ► And I do these five minute walks. I go on the balcony, I just keep walking just to stretch myself for a little while.

00:11:43 ◼   ► And when I'm walking with the iPad Pro in both hands, I don't feel any fatigue.

00:11:49 ◼   ► So maybe for really prolonged periods of time, like for 10 minutes, 20 minutes, just holding

00:11:56 ◼   ► the iPad Pro with two hands, of course you would feel fatigue, you know, because it's

00:12:00 ◼   ► heavier than the iPad Air 2.

00:12:03 ◼   ► But for just a couple of minutes, you know, when you're just picking up an iPad, just

00:12:07 ◼   ► checking something, Twitter, I don't know, I think you'll be fine.

00:12:10 ◼   ► Or you're cooking in the kitchen and you need to look up a recipe, I think you'll be fine

00:12:14 ◼   ► there.

00:12:15 ◼   ► that I think is important to consider with the weight,

00:12:18 ◼   ► you know, comparing it to the original iPad,

00:12:20 ◼   ► which you guys will remember,

00:12:21 ◼   ► I bought one during our iPad special.

00:12:24 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:12:25 ◼   ► - Or for our iPad special.

00:12:26 ◼   ► And I actually got it off the shelf this weekend

00:12:30 ◼   ► to just kind of get reacquainted with the weight.

00:12:33 ◼   ► And that original iPad had a curved back, you know,

00:12:36 ◼   ► where it, if you sat it on a table, it would rock.

00:12:38 ◼   ► The edges were thinner than the back,

00:12:41 ◼   ► kind of like the iPhone 3G and 3GS had a similar effect.

00:12:44 ◼   ► think that's important too that the this iPad like all of Apple's modern tablets

00:12:49 ◼   ► is completely flat on the back so you sit it down it doesn't wobble it doesn't

00:12:54 ◼   ► move and I think that helps too with that model of how thick does it feel and

00:12:58 ◼   ► how heavy does it feel where you know the 3G and 3GS if you pick one up it

00:13:02 ◼   ► feels heavier and thicker than it actually is because you have that curve

00:13:06 ◼   ► there. I think that I would imagine works in favor for the iPad Pro that because

00:13:13 ◼   ► is the same thickness throughout, your fingers and your mind don't get tricked to thinking

00:13:18 ◼   ► that it's thicker or heavier than it actually is.

00:13:20 ◼   ► In my mind, at least I remembered the iPad 3 actually of being heavier for some reason.

00:13:28 ◼   ► And I know that maybe we rewrite our own memories when it comes to what an old device feels

00:13:34 ◼   ► like but I really didn't have much of a problem with the iPad Pro.

00:13:40 ◼   ► And it could be that I'm just so used to taking these short breaks that holding the device

00:13:47 ◼   ► for...

00:13:49 ◼   ► I'm not holding the iPad Pro, or even the iPad Air 2 for that matter, for an hour.

00:13:56 ◼   ► Just walking around for an hour.

00:13:58 ◼   ► And in that case, of course I would feel fatigue on my wrists.

00:14:02 ◼   ► Because for several minutes at a time it can become a problem.

00:14:07 ◼   ► But on the other hand, if you need to walk for an hour and while doing so you want to

00:14:13 ◼   ► check a screen, maybe the iPhone is the best device for the job there.

00:14:17 ◼   ► So in my routine, in my daily habits, this has not been a problem.

00:14:23 ◼   ► And which I was really happy to see because it was one of my biggest concerns moving from

00:14:30 ◼   ► the iPad or to the iPad Pro.

00:14:32 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm happy here.

00:14:35 ◼   ► I think one of the important things to remember, I know we're really kind of belaboring the

00:14:38 ◼   ► point about the wait, but I think it is kind of important when you look at the overall

00:14:42 ◼   ► hardware of this thing.

00:14:44 ◼   ► But I guess one of the interesting things to remember is that this is the furthest away

00:14:49 ◼   ► from a consumption device that the iPad has ever been, and I know we're going to talk

00:14:54 ◼   ► about that a little bit later on.

00:14:56 ◼   ► But a lot of the things that we're talking about, like, you know, how does it feel when

00:14:58 ◼   ► you do this for a certain period of time, it's like consumption stuff like reading and

00:15:01 ◼   ► things like that. Where maybe this iPad was built more to be put on the desk

00:15:05 ◼   ► than any other iPad before it. So maybe like the idea of holding it for long

00:15:09 ◼   ► periods of time in your hands is maybe not so much of a problem.

00:15:13 ◼   ► Exactly. And even when you see the kind of accessories that Apple has made,

00:15:17 ◼   ► there's a keyboard, there's a pencil. So it's meant to be used

00:15:23 ◼   ► primarily at a desk. That doesn't mean that you cannot hold the device and walk

00:15:28 ◼   ► around or take the device out of the smart keyboard and sit on the couch and get work done,

00:15:34 ◼   ► because I totally do that. But for a lot of people this is gonna be the device they're gonna use at

00:15:41 ◼   ► their desks, either drawing, sketching, typing, reading email. But again, it's not a mutually

00:15:49 ◼   ► exclusive type of thing here. You can use it there, you can pick it up, you can walk around with it

00:15:55 ◼   ► for a few minutes, you can put it in a bag and go out and get work done at a park because

00:16:01 ◼   ► it's got a SIM card. So it's more skewed towards desk usage, but that doesn't mean it's impossible

00:16:08 ◼   ► to use it as a portable iPad because I've done that. I've taken it with me at the mall.

00:16:16 ◼   ► Don't worry, Apple, no one saw the iPad. I got to make sure that I say this. I've taken

00:16:23 ◼   ► with me in the car while I was waiting for my girlfriend. I worked from my car, I took

00:16:29 ◼   ► it to my therapist who also didn't see the iPad Pro. So yeah, it makes more sense than

00:16:37 ◼   ► the iPad R2 and the iPad Mini of course at a desk, but it's also still an iPad in terms

00:16:42 ◼   ► of portability. That's my takeaway.

00:16:45 ◼   ► All right, there's still tons of stuff that we need to talk about in regards to the hardware,

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00:18:30 ◼   ► So one of the most interesting parts here,

00:18:33 ◼   ► which is really weird.

00:18:34 ◼   ► So like, you know, when I think about this device,

00:18:37 ◼   ► Federico, and after reading the review that you've written,

00:18:40 ◼   ► there is this real kind of struggle and battle

00:18:43 ◼   ► between the consumption part

00:18:45 ◼   ► and the professional working part of this device.

00:18:47 ◼   ► And one of the consumption areas where the iPad Pro

00:18:50 ◼   ► is better than any iPad before it is the speaker system.

00:18:53 ◼   ► Can you explain a little bit about what's going on here?

00:18:56 ◼   ► - Okay, so it's got four speakers,

00:18:58 ◼   ► two at the top, two at the bottom.

00:19:01 ◼   ► And what the iPad does, it can automatically detect

00:19:06 ◼   ► whether you're using the device in landscape mode

00:19:08 ◼   ► or important mode, of course.

00:19:10 ◼   ► And all speakers can produce the same frequencies.

00:19:15 ◼   ► But depending on the orientation, only the bottom ones produce bass frequencies, and the topmost ones handle the mids and highs.

00:19:25 ◼   ► So the result is a very well balanced sound, it's much warmer and richer than the R2.

00:19:34 ◼   ► The best part is when you rotate your iPad, it detects rotation, so it switches to what

00:19:41 ◼   ► the speakers do according to your physical orientation of the device.

00:19:45 ◼   ► So no matter landscape or portrait mode, sound kind of always follows you around and adjusts

00:19:54 ◼   ► automatically depending on the device.

00:19:56 ◼   ► And they're really loud, and not in a bad way.

00:20:01 ◼   ► It sounds great, it's a very warm sound and it's much richer than the iPEDR 2.

00:20:09 ◼   ► It has all these layers of sound that you normally don't hear on the mini or on the

00:20:16 ◼   ► iPEDR or on the iPhone for that matter.

00:20:20 ◼   ► I really like how it sounds and I've been listening to Apple Music, to podcasts, in

00:20:27 ◼   ► Orcast.

00:20:30 ◼   ► It maybe doesn't get quite as loud as some external speakers, of course.

00:20:35 ◼   ► It's still a tablet.

00:20:37 ◼   ► But it's much louder than the Air 2.

00:20:40 ◼   ► And I've been using it to listen to music at the highest volume.

00:20:45 ◼   ► And you can hear songs just fine from another room.

00:20:50 ◼   ► And in fact, my girlfriend, she was impressed because when I was listening to music in the

00:20:55 ◼   ► kitchen she could hear songs just fine in the bathroom which is you know like

00:21:00 ◼   ► four to five meters away there's a there's a hall and then there's another

00:21:04 ◼   ► room. It also makes for nice background music when there's like a family dinner

00:21:10 ◼   ► or you got some friends over. It's a really good companion there to make sure

00:21:16 ◼   ► that you got some tunes in the background you know. So I'm really really

00:21:20 ◼   ► happier. Again, didn't expect this. I was so used to the speakers of the Epidder 2.

00:21:26 ◼   ► I wasn't expecting it to sound this good. In fact, it sounds even better than the speakers

00:21:30 ◼   ► on my MacBook Air, which I realized, of course it does, because my MacBook Air is a four-year-old

00:21:36 ◼   ► device, so I guess speaker technology got better in the meantime. They sound great.

00:21:42 ◼   ► So believe me, you gotta go... I don't know if you could get a demo of this at an Apple

00:21:48 ◼   ► store if it's a crowded place but they really sound great.

00:21:53 ◼   ► So one of the interesting things about the 6 Plus when it was released was that even

00:21:57 ◼   ► though the screen was bigger because the physical body of the phone was bigger Apple were able

00:22:02 ◼   ► to shove more battery inside the case. Is this the same for the iPad Pro? Do we have

00:22:08 ◼   ► a larger battery here or is it just powering the Retina display which is looking pretty

00:22:13 ◼   ► incredible?

00:22:15 ◼   ► Of course it's got a power display and there's a more powerful CPU, GPU and 4GB of RAM.

00:22:22 ◼   ► So you gotta provide more energy there.

00:22:25 ◼   ► But Apple says that you get 10 hours of battery life in average usage.

00:22:31 ◼   ► So you can surf the web, watch a couple of videos, play games, read books.

00:22:36 ◼   ► In my practical tests, and here I gotta have another disclaimer, I like to turn off auto

00:22:43 ◼   ► brightness on my devices and I keep it just about 50%. So I could very easily get over

00:22:55 ◼   ► 11 hours of battery life and the device would turn off just when it was approaching 12 hours

00:23:04 ◼   ► of usage. So 11 and a half hours. I might have taken a few breaks here and there when

00:23:10 ◼   ► the iPad was not working so it was locked and the screen was off. So I can

00:23:15 ◼   ► say that I comfortably got to 11 hours of usage. You know, because I spent

00:23:21 ◼   ► days, basically I didn't get any food to eat, I was just at my desk

00:23:26 ◼   ► working. My girlfriend was very understanding over the past week. It was

00:23:30 ◼   ► a very nice surprise and it's not the first time that Apple does this,

00:23:34 ◼   ► that they promise 10 hours and you get 11. I remember this has been the case for

00:23:39 ◼   ► previous iPads before. So 10 hours is a good metric to give you an average of

00:23:44 ◼   ► usage, which is impressive when you consider the new display, more RAM,

00:23:49 ◼   ► more power, new speakers. But they like to do this. There's this 10 hour threshold

00:23:56 ◼   ► that's been holding true for the past five years. I wonder if eventually we'll

00:24:00 ◼   ► get more, but today we still get those 10 hours and maybe a little more, even

00:24:05 ◼   ► Apple doesn't like to say so. It's interesting to hear and I think the 6+

00:24:10 ◼   ► is a good parallel when you put these bigger displays into devices there is a

00:24:16 ◼   ► bigger power drop the battery you power drop the GPU that has to drive this

00:24:20 ◼   ► thing comes with the A9X processor which just seems like a like a beast but you

00:24:24 ◼   ► know I think the screen and the way they got to 12.9 inches is really interesting

00:24:29 ◼   ► so if you if you go back and watch the introduction they they have an iPad Air

00:24:34 ◼   ► and basically the height of the air is the width of the the iPad Pro and then

00:24:39 ◼   ► they basically came to 12 point inches to make it 4 by 3. It's still 264 pixels

00:24:46 ◼   ► per inch according to Apple's website which is the same as the Air 2 and then

00:24:50 ◼   ► of course both of those are less than many because the mini is higher because

00:24:54 ◼   ► using the same resolution as the Air 2 but in a smaller package. How is that

00:25:01 ◼   ► screen in real life. Does it, compared to an Air 2, does it look a little less sharp?

00:25:05 ◼   ► Because on paper it may, but it shouldn't buy much. I mean, how is it, how does it

00:25:10 ◼   ► look, how the colors, does it seem like an improvement over the Air 2 or is it

00:25:14 ◼   ► kind of the same thing but bigger? So I asked about this. It's got the same color

00:25:19 ◼   ► reproduction of the Air 2 and the Mini 4 and to me it looks exactly the same in

00:25:25 ◼   ► in terms of sharpness, color, brightness of the display.

00:25:29 ◼   ► What's impressive is the feeling

00:25:33 ◼   ► of looking at a portable retina display.

00:25:36 ◼   ► So it's not a technical observation, it's just a personal feeling of mine.

00:25:40 ◼   ► When I look at the display it looks fantastic because it's so big

00:25:43 ◼   ► and it shows two apps at the same time, text is

00:25:46 ◼   ► crisp, legible, it looks exactly

00:25:50 ◼   ► to me like an iPerf2 display. It's only more impressive because it's bigger

00:25:54 ◼   ► But the color, the sharpness, the render quality, that's the same.

00:25:58 ◼   ► The crazy thing to me is the resolution of this thing is bigger than the MacBook.

00:26:04 ◼   ► Yeah, 5.6 million pixels should be more than a MacBook, I think.

00:26:10 ◼   ► Yeah, the MacBook is 226 pixels per inch at 2304 by 1440.

00:26:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:26:15 ◼   ► That's madness to me.

00:26:18 ◼   ► I don't know how they make the decisions that they make,

00:26:21 ◼   ► and I'm not saying it's a bad or good decision, but it's just really crazy to me that there is this iPad

00:26:26 ◼   ► which is better than this future laptop. It is kind of magical in its own little way.

00:26:32 ◼   ► And what's even crazier is because of this crazy resolution, when you activate multitasking in split view

00:26:40 ◼   ► and you move to the 50/50 split view layout, you basically get two iPadder, two portrait apps at the same time.

00:26:51 ◼   ► They're only slightly, maybe like a couple of hundred pixels of difference between the two resolutions,

00:26:58 ◼   ► but it's basically like using two iPads vertically at the same time, which is crazy.

00:27:03 ◼   ► And the effect when you activate Split View, it gets you by surprise because it's really like using two regular sized apps at the same time.

00:27:12 ◼   ► And you get the controls where you expect them to be, you get tabs at the top in Safari,

00:27:18 ◼   ► So it's really a nice effect.

00:27:20 ◼   ► And again, to me it's crazy that this thing has this kind of resolution.

00:27:24 ◼   ► And when I go back to my MacBook Air to record podcasts on Skype,

00:27:31 ◼   ► I look at the screen and I see those big chunky pixels,

00:27:34 ◼   ► and I'm like, "Oh my god, what am I using?"

00:27:36 ◼   ► Yeah, it looks really nice.

00:27:39 ◼   ► There's a line in your review, you say,

00:27:44 ◼   ► You say, "A week after I started using the iPad Pro,

00:27:46 ◼   ► I picked up my old iPad Air 2,

00:27:48 ◼   ► and it felt like an iPad Mini."

00:27:50 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:27:52 ◼   ► - That's frightening to me,

00:27:53 ◼   ► as someone who uses an Air 2 and who really likes it,

00:27:56 ◼   ► that if I get one of these things,

00:27:58 ◼   ► that I'm going to be ruined.

00:28:01 ◼   ► But what does an iPad Mini feel like now?

00:28:03 ◼   ► Have you tried a Mini since having this?

00:28:05 ◼   ► - No, not yet.

00:28:06 ◼   ► I wanna go to the Apple Store and pick up an iPad Mini

00:28:09 ◼   ► to see what my reaction is gonna be.

00:28:11 ◼   ► I'm probably gonna think it's a very big iPhone.

00:28:14 ◼   ► Because I needed to confirm with myself,

00:28:17 ◼   ► I think I was going, I thought I was going crazy,

00:28:19 ◼   ► is this an iPad Air 2?

00:28:21 ◼   ► I asked my girlfriend, she was like, are you kidding me?

00:28:24 ◼   ► It really does feel tiny, you know?

00:28:27 ◼   ► And not just multitasking, but just apps,

00:28:30 ◼   ► like full screen apps, it feels so tiny.

00:28:33 ◼   ► When you get used to, so these big toolbars,

00:28:36 ◼   ► these wide sidebars on the iPad Pro,

00:28:39 ◼   ► you start using iOS on an iPad R2 and it feels exactly like I felt when I moved from the

00:28:47 ◼   ► iPad mini to the R2. It feels just impossibly small and not in a good way. The keyboard

00:28:54 ◼   ► is smaller, apps are all closer together when you do split view. The icons on the home screen,

00:29:01 ◼   ► and we can talk about this, it's just very closely grouped together. I think this will

00:29:08 ◼   ► be a common reaction for people who move from an Air 2 to the Pro. You give it a few days,

00:29:15 ◼   ► you pick up the iPad Air 2, you're gonna feel like "how did I use this for a year?"

00:29:21 ◼   ► You can just hear the groans like "nooooo" because this is what it was like when we all

00:29:25 ◼   ► got the Plus, right? There are just so many advantages to having a larger screen. So I

00:29:34 ◼   ► I just got a Retina iMac.

00:29:36 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:29:37 ◼   ► - And if I ever use my MacBook now, I feel constrained

00:29:40 ◼   ► because the screen is smaller.

00:29:42 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:29:43 ◼   ► - Right? Like whenever you, it was the thing,

00:29:45 ◼   ► whenever you increase the real estate

00:29:47 ◼   ► of the machine that you're using,

00:29:49 ◼   ► the benefits of that become intrinsically important

00:29:53 ◼   ► to the way that you work.

00:29:54 ◼   ► - I totally believe, I'm starting to believe

00:29:56 ◼   ► that we as humans have a natural tendency

00:30:00 ◼   ► for liking big screens.

00:30:01 ◼   ► almost no one likes a small screen.

00:30:05 ◼   ► Like if you had to choose, would you look at text, would you look at a webpage,

00:30:09 ◼   ► would you look at a photo on a small screen voluntarily?

00:30:13 ◼   ► Unless you have some very important physical constraints.

00:30:17 ◼   ► And from that point of view we can talk about accessibility and that's totally fair.

00:30:22 ◼   ► But if you had the choice, choosing between a small screen and a big screen,

00:30:27 ◼   ► of course you're going to pick the big screen.

00:30:30 ◼   ► because it shows you more, it shows you better photos, it shows you more text, it's easier

00:30:37 ◼   ► to look at for the eyes. So, again, the effect is really like moving from the Mini to the

00:30:44 ◼   ► R2 or from the iPhone 5s to the iPhone 6 and maybe to the 6 Plus. You go back and you say,

00:30:51 ◼   ► was I even getting work done on this thing? Was it possible? What was I thinking? And

00:30:56 ◼   ► You know, that's natural progress in terms of these devices. As the screens get bigger,

00:31:02 ◼   ► it's a balance, right? You gotta say, "Am I still able to use this? And if I am, do

00:31:07 ◼   ► I see the benefits in a bigger screen?" If you do, then you go back and you say, "Yeah,

00:31:12 ◼   ► this is too small. I cannot get anything done here."

00:31:15 ◼   ► Clearly a lot of upside there from a work perspective, but I think there are a lot of

00:31:20 ◼   ► people who are not going to use their iPad at their desk. They're going to use it on

00:31:24 ◼   ► the couch, they're going to be hanging out watching Netflix. How is that bigger screen

00:31:32 ◼   ► in those scenarios? If you're reading in bed and air two can feel somewhat big at times,

00:31:40 ◼   ► did you experience any of that? Is there any weirdness there as far as using it sort of

00:31:44 ◼   ► in a more relaxed position?

00:31:48 ◼   ► Did you see the photo that I sent you last night?

00:31:50 ◼   ► I did.

00:31:51 ◼   ► The one watching the same video.

00:31:53 ◼   ► It's like you wield a TV next to your bed.

00:31:55 ◼   ► Yes.

00:31:57 ◼   ► So this is totally, I have a footnote in my review.

00:32:00 ◼   ► When I play games or watch movies, it's totally like having a mini high-rest TV on my lap or on my desk.

00:32:08 ◼   ► I don't know how I should describe this, if this is a problem for people or not.

00:32:16 ◼   ► because when you're resting, when you're in a relaxed position, you can use a smart cover or the smart keyboard as a stand.

00:32:25 ◼   ► So, in theory, it shouldn't be a problem if it's too big. It could only be a positive, you know, because you're looking at a bigger screen so it's more comfortable.

00:32:35 ◼   ► You don't have to hold your device with both hands, so size shouldn't be an issue in that case.

00:32:42 ◼   ► So I don't know, like, when you're in bed, do you like to use like another stand for the iPad?

00:32:49 ◼   ► While watching Netflix? Because when you're on the couch, you can just put the iPad Pro on your lap.

00:32:55 ◼   ► And it's this big screen that you see in front of you.

00:32:58 ◼   ► If you have a desk, you can just use a stand.

00:33:03 ◼   ► Or, you know, just like my picture in the review, you can just prop it up on your lap and watch a movie.

00:33:09 ◼   ► So, I don't know, maybe for kids it could be a problem, you know, kids with small hands,

00:33:17 ◼   ► it's a heavier device, so that maybe is a problem, you know, if you're gonna ask your

00:33:24 ◼   ► children to pick up an iPad Pro, I can imagine at 700 grams that can be an issue.

00:33:31 ◼   ► Just knock over my daughter.

00:33:32 ◼   ► Yes.

00:33:33 ◼   ► It just disrupts her center of gravity and she just goes straight down.

00:33:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:38 ◼   ► For kids, maybe that's a problem, and I see your argument there.

00:33:42 ◼   ► But for adult people, I don't know, I think you'll be fine.

00:33:46 ◼   ► One of the main uses of my MacBook Pro now is it's become the machine that we watch TV

00:33:52 ◼   ► on in bed.

00:33:53 ◼   ► Yes, yes.

00:33:54 ◼   ► But this is the same screen size.

00:33:56 ◼   ► So goodbye!

00:33:59 ◼   ► My MacBook is becoming...

00:34:01 ◼   ► The more I think about the iPad Pro, and we'll talk about this at the end, but I'm starting

00:34:05 ◼   ► to just check off more of what I do with my MacBook Pro and it's becoming less and less

00:34:10 ◼   ► likely that it will have a serious place in my life if I get one of these.

00:34:15 ◼   ► Now before we depart from the screen and move on to other positive devices, this is the

00:34:21 ◼   ► first of a couple of things I believe that put the iPad in a weird position from a refresh

00:34:28 ◼   ► cycle and what I'm talking about is 3D touch.

00:34:31 ◼   ► So the iPad Pro is a new device but it's kind of still stuck in the middle between the iPad

00:34:38 ◼   ► Air 2 and the new iPhones.

00:34:40 ◼   ► And one of the first things that highlight this is the fact that you cannot use 3D Touch

00:34:45 ◼   ► on this device, right?

00:34:49 ◼   ► How has that impacted you on a daily basis?

00:34:52 ◼   ► Has it, has it not?

00:34:54 ◼   ► Do you need it?

00:34:55 ◼   ► What do you think you need it for?

00:34:56 ◼   ► Could this device even comfortably use a technology like this?

00:35:00 ◼   ► So the biggest issue has been the lack of shortcuts on the home screen.

00:35:06 ◼   ► But what I also noticed is I use 3D Touch on my phone with my thumb, so when I'm scrolling

00:35:13 ◼   ► Twitter I can just press harder with my thumb and I get a preview in Tweetbot, you know,

00:35:18 ◼   ► Tweets and webpages.

00:35:20 ◼   ► I don't use the iPad Pro like that, and even if I did, there's a, you know, there's a gap

00:35:28 ◼   ► in apps between the bezel of the device when my thumb rests and the content on the screen.

00:35:36 ◼   ► So in Tweetbot you get a sidebar or maybe in Safari you get a margin between the bezel

00:35:43 ◼   ► and a link in the text of a webpage.

00:35:46 ◼   ► So I struggle to imagine how you would use 3D Touch on an iPad.

00:35:50 ◼   ► You would have to use another finger, so another hand like your index finger on the right hand

00:35:55 ◼   ► point at content and use 3D touch. So I think there will be some 3D touch

00:36:03 ◼   ► implementation. I don't know if it'll be like the iPhone. So on home screen it's

00:36:08 ◼   ► gotta be like the iPhone because shortcuts are just too convenient. But

00:36:12 ◼   ► the physical interaction of using, at least for me, using 3D touch on an

00:36:18 ◼   ► iPhone and imagine it on an iPad Pro is different because even on the 6 Plus I

00:36:24 ◼   ► I can hold the device and with my thumb use 3D Touch anywhere, because I can reach the screen anywhere.

00:36:30 ◼   ► On the iPad Pro it would require another hand, so I don't know.

00:36:35 ◼   ► And it will be especially weird when the iPad is being used with a keyboard vertically.

00:36:42 ◼   ► So do you just... there's a risk you gotta knock your iPad over trying to use 3D Touch when it's used vertically with a stand.

00:36:50 ◼   ► I think there's gotta be some kind of 3D touch implementation in the future.

00:36:56 ◼   ► I don't know if it'll be exactly like the phone.

00:36:59 ◼   ► I had this moment in preparing, looking at the iPad Pro pages on Apple's website.

00:37:07 ◼   ► And as the resident space nerd, I liked, there was a lot of space stuff in the keynote and all their example images.

00:37:14 ◼   ► I was like, oh man, it's gonna be so cool to like,

00:37:16 ◼   ► you know, 3D touch and have a live photo

00:37:19 ◼   ► of like Jupiter spinning under my thumb.

00:37:21 ◼   ► And then I was like, and Myke actually was like,

00:37:22 ◼   ► you know there's not 3D touch in the iPad Pro.

00:37:25 ◼   ► And I was like, no!

00:37:26 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:37:29 ◼   ► You know, maybe next time, you know,

00:37:31 ◼   ► I think this happens with Apple products sometimes

00:37:33 ◼   ► where you end up the iPhone having something first.

00:37:36 ◼   ► I mean, just look at Siri.

00:37:38 ◼   ► It took a while to bring that to the iPad

00:37:40 ◼   ► and it's still not on the Mac.

00:37:41 ◼   ► I think maybe it has less to do with like,

00:37:43 ◼   ► lifecycle of products and more to do with the iPhone being sort of the the front or the iPhones where they make all their money

00:37:50 ◼   ► Or most of their money and it's that's where they're pushing the envelope. You know, I think I agree with you Federico that

00:37:57 ◼   ► three tips would be really nice especially for

00:38:00 ◼   ► Home screen shortcuts. It's amazing how quickly that has become like part of my workflow in my iPhone. Like I'm totally in on it

00:38:09 ◼   ► But the you know, I think it will get there, but I'm not I'm not shocked. I'm not like

00:38:14 ◼   ► Super surprised that it's not here on day one. Yeah. Yeah, I totally agree

00:38:20 ◼   ► The just imagining pick and pop while holding an iPad Pro

00:38:25 ◼   ► I just I cannot see it or you know, maybe I'll be proven wrong in the future

00:38:30 ◼   ► But I think the big the bigger screen gets the harder it is for 3d touch to be effective

00:38:35 ◼   ► So either Apple comes up with a new implementation just for the iPad or maybe

00:38:40 ◼   ► I'm just wrong and when it does finally ship with the touch it'll be okay with pick and pop as you normally do on the iPhone.

00:38:47 ◼   ► So we'll see. Also another hardware feature that you know, it's on the phone, but it's not on the iPad

00:38:54 ◼   ► It's a second generation Touch ID sensor.

00:38:56 ◼   ► So that's really a bummer because I'm totally used to the crazy fast unlocking experience of the iPhone 6s and

00:39:05 ◼   ► And on the iPad Pro you can immediately tell it's the first generation Touch ID.

00:39:10 ◼   ► It's slower and it's not as fast or accurate or capable of accepting different orientations of your finger than on the iPhone 6s.

00:39:22 ◼   ► So it's the one we've been used to with the previous iPads.

00:39:25 ◼   ► Talking about Touch ID and hardware stuff, is there a Taptic motor in this device?

00:39:30 ◼   ► No.

00:39:31 ◼   ► Okay, so there's no vibrate motoring because I don't believe any other iPads have had yeah, no, it doesn't vibrate. Yeah, okay

00:39:38 ◼   ► My only reason thinking that is like games and stuff, but it's never been a thing that's been there before okay

00:39:43 ◼   ► Yeah, so to wrap up the hardware

00:39:45 ◼   ► I thought we could talk real quick about some of the it's like the pure tech spec so

00:39:49 ◼   ► Federica you mentioned it's got four gigs of RAM. Yes, which is of course

00:39:54 ◼   ► The most that we've seen in a iOS device and I imagine that is all about that multitasking experience

00:40:01 ◼   ► Can you tell the difference between the iPad Air 2 and the Pro in this regard?

00:40:06 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a bit snappier, it's more responsive, and when you use a full screen app like Safari,

00:40:12 ◼   ► and you open a bunch of tabs, you can tell that it's keeping those tabs longer in memory.

00:40:17 ◼   ► So it's not a massive difference from the iPad Air 2, but it's noticeably faster, snappier, more responsive.

00:40:23 ◼   ► Some animations are quicker and I've been fine with the performance.

00:40:31 ◼   ► It makes me more efficient because when I put up two apps side by side, I can switch between Safari tabs.

00:40:40 ◼   ► The extensions, something like Workflow, if it needs to work with a lot of data, so with a big video or with a big photo,

00:40:48 ◼   ► The extension can use more RAM, so it works really nicely for me.

00:40:54 ◼   ► And Federico, you mentioned that you have a 128, and there's two versions of the 128,

00:41:00 ◼   ► one with Solia and one without.

00:41:04 ◼   ► And then other than that, there's just the 32 WiFi, right?

00:41:06 ◼   ► There's no 64GB.

00:41:09 ◼   ► Do you think this is an issue from Apple?

00:41:13 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:41:14 ◼   ► I asked, and they wouldn't tell, of course, why they made this decision.

00:41:18 ◼   ► can only imagine. It's strange to me that the base model is a 32 and not a 64. I can

00:41:25 ◼   ► understand the sort of jump to 128, because for people who are going to use this as their

00:41:31 ◼   ► main computer, you put in a lot of games, a lot of movies, a lot of documents, so you

00:41:36 ◼   ► want to use this as a computer, you need the 128. So that I understand. I don't understand

00:41:42 ◼   ► why the base model is the 32 version and not the 64 gig one. Maybe there's some kind of

00:41:50 ◼   ► ... Steven has a theory that it's a supply chain issue. I'm coming up empty. Or maybe

00:41:57 ◼   ► they just want to push people to buy the 128 gig model because it's more money and more

00:42:04 ◼   ► revenue. I don't know.

00:42:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a little odd, but we've complained

00:42:08 ◼   ► for a while now about odd storage issues

00:42:10 ◼   ► with iOS devices, you know.

00:42:12 ◼   ► It may be a parts issue, I don't know if they're using

00:42:14 ◼   ► the same parts for storage here as they are

00:42:16 ◼   ► in the 6S and 6S Plus, where I think a lot of people

00:42:20 ◼   ► are buying the 64, because it's that,

00:42:22 ◼   ► the way the thing is set up now.

00:42:26 ◼   ► But I agree too, that if this is a device

00:42:30 ◼   ► that Apple sees as a true computer replacement

00:42:34 ◼   ► that maybe they think, hey, you know what,

00:42:36 ◼   ► 128 gigs is a lot better of a situation to be in.

00:42:41 ◼   ► It's gonna give you more breathing room,

00:42:43 ◼   ► it's gonna feel more like a computer

00:42:46 ◼   ► in a traditional sense if you have that more storage space.

00:42:50 ◼   ► So maybe they're sort of leading you to that 128

00:42:52 ◼   ► like they do on the iPhones,

00:42:54 ◼   ► but I think it's fine either way.

00:42:57 ◼   ► I mean, it's just sort of an interesting thing

00:42:59 ◼   ► to think about in light of all the other storage issues

00:43:03 ◼   ► we've talked about.

00:43:04 ◼   ► The limiting of the cellular to the 128 version is also just a peculiar choice, because that's

00:43:09 ◼   ► not something that they do with other iPads.

00:43:11 ◼   ► No, they allow you to choose any configuration with any kind of storage and WiFi plus cellular

00:43:18 ◼   ► connection.

00:43:19 ◼   ► So, that's interesting.

00:43:23 ◼   ► The cellular is the kind of premium that you can only get if you go all in with the iPad

00:43:27 ◼   ► Pro.

00:43:28 ◼   ► What's crazy about that is since like the beginning of iPad time, it's been 130 bucks

00:43:35 ◼   ► to add cellular data.

00:43:37 ◼   ► So you could buy the 16 gig and spend another $130 and get the cellular.

00:43:43 ◼   ► So it's not like the margins would be less on the 32 gig.

00:43:50 ◼   ► They're still going to charge that premium to add the cellular anyway.

00:43:55 ◼   ► That makes no sense to me.

00:43:56 ◼   ► I really would like to know why they they made that decision again. Maybe it's to say hey, you know what this

00:44:02 ◼   ► Review this as a machine that is going to be used in an office in a home office and you know in a professional

00:44:10 ◼   ► environment where you're gonna have Wi-Fi and

00:44:13 ◼   ► maybe there's something it's as important here as it is on something like the mini or the air - but

00:44:19 ◼   ► Why take that option away from your customers is something that I just I don't get it. Yeah

00:44:25 ◼   ► Yeah, it's very strange. All right, we should talk about iOS 9 and how iOS 9 feels on the iPad Pro

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00:47:10 ◼   ► - You know, when we look back,

00:47:12 ◼   ► there's always interesting things that come out.

00:47:15 ◼   ► You can connect the dots once you're kind of past them.

00:47:17 ◼   ► And I think there have been a lot of dots leading

00:47:20 ◼   ► to this device.

00:47:22 ◼   ► So we have the iPad Air 2, which came out last year

00:47:26 ◼   ► and all of a sudden, this thing is sort of ridiculous, right?

00:47:31 ◼   ► There's so much power here.

00:47:32 ◼   ► can do so much and then iOS 9 comes out with all this multitasking slide over

00:47:37 ◼   ► split view picture-in-picture that the power in the Air 2 especially since they

00:47:43 ◼   ► didn't rev it this year make a lot of sense now right the hardware sort of

00:47:47 ◼   ► maybe outpaced the software for a second and and now iOS 9 and the Air 2 feel

00:47:52 ◼   ► really well matched and the iPad Pro I think is just another step in that

00:47:58 ◼   ► direction right so you know multitasking might be a little tight on the Air 2

00:48:02 ◼   ► probably really tight on a mini 4 but on a Pro like you said Federico you get

00:48:06 ◼   ► these nice iPad portrait apps side-by-side. We're going to talk a little

00:48:11 ◼   ► bit about that but I was wondering are there ways that it doesn't make sense

00:48:14 ◼   ► yet or are we in that situation again where the hardware is outpacing the

00:48:17 ◼   ► software in areas in your mind? Well when it comes to multitasking they make a lot

00:48:25 ◼   ► of sense together especially when you want to use two full-size apps and you

00:48:30 ◼   ► get the feeling and the power to do so. There are some parts of the iOS 9

00:48:37 ◼   ► interface that could use a little more creativity because they show a lot of

00:48:43 ◼   ► potential. So the home screen is totally the same on the iPad Pro. You get the

00:48:48 ◼   ► same 5x4 grid of app icons, excluding the docking landscape, and

00:48:55 ◼   ► and they're just only more spaced out. So there's no additional room for more icons,

00:49:03 ◼   ► no special usage of the bigger home screen, and folders are totally the same. Control center,

00:49:11 ◼   ► when used in landscape, it just shows more white space between the toggles. So they look really

00:49:20 ◼   ► weird when you're used to having the tight control center icons.

00:49:25 ◼   ► And they totally scream, "Hey, let's put more toggles in here. We got room for them.

00:49:32 ◼   ► You can put in additional shortcuts if you want, but you can't."

00:49:35 ◼   ► So it is strange to look at the home screen, to look at control center.

00:49:39 ◼   ► And on the other hand, Apple has done some new things for iOS 9.

00:49:44 ◼   ► So in Notification Center, you get a mini monthly calendar at the top,

00:49:49 ◼   ► next to today's date. You see this little monthly calendar which is useful when you want to pull down and see upcoming weeks and days of the month.

00:49:59 ◼   ► Or of course the software keyboard is totally different from the Apple Air 2.

00:50:04 ◼   ► So they have done some things and in typical Apple fashion they have chosen some areas to focus on for the 1.0

00:50:16 ◼   ► and some other parts of the interface are clearly not done.

00:50:21 ◼   ► They're not unusable. They're just the same as the previous generation.

00:50:25 ◼   ► So you can see the potential there.

00:50:27 ◼   ► And I wouldn't be surprised to see new things coming to the home screen on the iPad Pro.

00:50:35 ◼   ► It just feels very lonely, you know, to look at those app icons, to look at those control center shortcuts.

00:50:42 ◼   ► You can see the space for innovation, the space for additional shortcuts to save time, to jump between apps.

00:50:51 ◼   ► I don't know. You just can see the potential. It's just not there yet.

00:50:55 ◼   ► So, I would say that iOS 9 and the iPad Pro, they make sense together.

00:51:01 ◼   ► And in some areas, Apple has done some customizations that are really welcome.

00:51:06 ◼   ► But there's a few aspects that need more time and need more work.

00:51:12 ◼   ► Maybe Apple designers themselves need to understand what people want.

00:51:16 ◼   ► They need to look at the home screen, to look at Control Center and say

00:51:21 ◼   ► "What can we do to better organize apps?"

00:51:25 ◼   ► Maybe the most obvious answer is "Let's put more apps on the first page."

00:51:29 ◼   ► I don't know, but do something with that space.

00:51:33 ◼   ► In Control Center, just allow users to define their own shortcuts.

00:51:38 ◼   ► The space of Control Center on the iPad Pro

00:51:42 ◼   ► basically begs for more shortcuts in there.

00:51:46 ◼   ► The Control Center UI reminds me of what the notification view was like

00:51:51 ◼   ► until iOS 9.

00:51:53 ◼   ► It wasn't until 9 that Apple realized that

00:51:56 ◼   ► just swiping down and seeing one whole list of icons doesn't make sense,

00:52:01 ◼   ► because with 9 you got the ability to have the split view between notifications and widgets.

00:52:06 ◼   ► So it shows that there is the ability to do more there, but I think what it does show is it sometimes takes a little bit longer than it should.

00:52:14 ◼   ► One of the things that you mentioned in your review was a growing frustration in the SlideOver UI

00:52:20 ◼   ► that has been really put to the test with the iPad Pro. Can you explain what that is?

00:52:26 ◼   ► So the SlideOver UI is when you're swiping from the right edge of the screen to bring up the last used app in SlideOver

00:52:34 ◼   ► and when you then swipe down from the status bar of the SlideOver app, you see the SlideOver App Picker

00:52:42 ◼   ► which is this vertical tray of three icons at a time that already in September I was arguing that it could have used a better way to organize apps

00:52:53 ◼   ► apps and to let you find apps to use in multitasking.

00:52:58 ◼   ► And two months after the public release of iOS 9, I totally believe that the SlideOver

00:53:02 ◼   ► App Picker is the single iOS 9 feature that's aging badly.

00:53:09 ◼   ► It is very annoying to find an app that you used a couple of days ago, because there's

00:53:13 ◼   ► no search bar.

00:53:14 ◼   ► So you've got to scroll all the way to the top and look at the icons and see, "Oh, hey,

00:53:18 ◼   ► that's the app I want to use in SlideOver."

00:53:21 ◼   ► It's a slow process.

00:53:22 ◼   ► a tedious process to find all these apps with no organization. The list isn't compact, so

00:53:28 ◼   ► it's not a grid and you can look at a bunch of icons at a time. You can only see three

00:53:33 ◼   ► icons in a single screen, so you need to swipe slowly, look at each icon and say "yep, that's

00:53:37 ◼   ► the app". On the iPad Pro, because the screen is so big, it becomes even more annoying because

00:53:45 ◼   ► Apple didn't use the increased space for showing you more icons in the slide over.

00:53:52 ◼   ► It's scales, right? I assume that the blocks are still as big.

00:53:56 ◼   ► That's a way you really could have made that easier, was like shrinking that down.

00:54:00 ◼   ► I don't even know why they used the big card interface there. Just icons would be perfectly acceptable.

00:54:06 ◼   ► And even, also because you know, only the most recently used app

00:54:12 ◼   ► uses the card as a sort of screenshot preview of your last activity in the app.

00:54:18 ◼   ► Which is weird, right? Because it looks like it's meant to be modeled on the multitasking view.

00:54:22 ◼   ► That's kind of where the UI comes from.

00:54:25 ◼   ► But it doesn't use the multitasking view like where the previews.

00:54:31 ◼   ► It's very peculiar.

00:54:32 ◼   ► No, it just shows you a lighter gray background.

00:54:36 ◼   ► Which is great. That's what I want.

00:54:38 ◼   ► So I would really like to see a way to search apps in there, maybe a grid layout.

00:54:45 ◼   ► If you don't want to use cards, just let me choose to have a more compact grade of apps.

00:54:50 ◼   ► So I can look at maybe 10 to 12 icons at a time.

00:54:53 ◼   ► And maybe even let me say, "Hey, I never want to use this app in the slide-over or in multitasking,

00:55:00 ◼   ► so I don't want to see my content blocker in there.

00:55:03 ◼   ► I'm not going to switch back and forth between Safari and my content blocker.

00:55:08 ◼   ► If I want to change settings, I go to the content blocker app.

00:55:11 ◼   ► There's a lot of apps, or games for that matter,

00:55:14 ◼   ► There's really a lot of apps that don't make any sense in the slide-over menu, but there's no way to turn them off.

00:55:20 ◼   ► So when you're scrolling the list, you've got to see them all until you find the app you're looking for.

00:55:24 ◼   ► And on the iPad Pro that becomes a problem because the UI just scales, and they don't take advantage of the bigger screen to simplify the process of finding apps in the app picker there.

00:55:33 ◼   ► Let's talk about the software keyboard for a moment, because I know that you've got some frustrations with this.

00:55:38 ◼   ► Can you explain some of the sweeping changes that Apple have made, some of the enhancements,

00:55:43 ◼   ► but also how they're affecting you on a daily basis?

00:55:46 ◼   ► So the main idea is to replicate the feeling and the functionality of a desktop keyboard,

00:55:51 ◼   ► of a magic keyboard.

00:55:53 ◼   ► You see there's a number row at the top, always shown.

00:55:58 ◼   ► There's special characters on top of numbers.

00:56:00 ◼   ► There's a bunch of extra keys on each side of the keyboard.

00:56:04 ◼   ► And it's really meant to replicate the way that you work on a physical keyboard on your

00:56:07 ◼   ► Mac on an iPad Pro, on a software keyboard. Which is a great idea in theory.

00:56:12 ◼   ► It's a great idea because there's going to be a lot of people switching from

00:56:14 ◼   ► laptops or from notebooks to an iPad Pro so they can

00:56:17 ◼   ► be instantly familiar with the keyboard. The problem here,

00:56:22 ◼   ► and I remember I was going crazy for this, Apple is using

00:56:26 ◼   ► a US English layout for the keys. So for listeners who don't know, live in America

00:56:31 ◼   ► and have no idea about international keyboards,

00:56:33 ◼   ► Physical keyboards have minor but important changes across different countries.

00:56:40 ◼   ► So in America, the delete key, the backspace key, whatever you want to call it, is not

00:56:49 ◼   ► directly on top of the return key.

00:56:53 ◼   ► There's I believe square brackets in between return and delete on the right side of the

00:56:58 ◼   ► keyboard.

00:56:59 ◼   ► In Italy, and I believe in the UK as well, and in other European countries, the delete

00:57:05 ◼   ► key sits on physical keyboards for computers. The delete key sits directly on top of the

00:57:12 ◼   ► return or enter key.

00:57:15 ◼   ► We call it return, and it's shaped like a beautiful upside-down boot.

00:57:18 ◼   ► Yeah. And so when I'm sliding with my hand on the right side of the keyboard, just by

00:57:24 ◼   ► feel. I can tell the return key and I can tell the delete key is a rectangle directly on top of the keyboard.

00:57:31 ◼   ► On the iPad Pro, I use the US English keyboard, which has a different layout of the Italian one.

00:57:38 ◼   ► And of course, it's got this delete key that's not directly on top of return. And that's okay, you know, I get why they're

00:57:46 ◼   ► kinda finding a way to replicate the US English layout of physical keyboards on a software keyboard.

00:57:53 ◼   ► The problem is, when I switch to the software Italian keyboard, which I use for texting my mom or my girlfriend or just doing searches on Google in Italian,

00:58:04 ◼   ► they only change the glyphs on the keys, the icons, so the delete glyph is different, but the layout and the shape of the keys is the same.

00:58:16 ◼   ► So it's an Italian keyboard in that it's got Italian icons and it writes in Italian

00:58:22 ◼   ► But it doesn't use the Italian keyboard layout.

00:58:25 ◼   ► Yeah, it uses the little icon that says return, right?

00:58:29 ◼   ► Like so the little arrow, but the key shape is the same.

00:58:33 ◼   ► Is that what you're saying?

00:58:33 ◼   ► The key shape is the same and the placement of the delete key is not as the keyboard

00:58:38 ◼   ► I'm looking at right now on my Mac

00:58:41 ◼   ► So I got delete on top of return on the iPad Pro when I switched to the software Italian keyboard

00:58:47 ◼   ► The delete key is not on top of return. There's a bunch of keys in between them

00:58:52 ◼   ► It's a real interesting oversight, right? Because they've identified that something needs to change

00:58:55 ◼   ► but they haven't changed what they actually need to change. Yeah, and

00:59:00 ◼   ► It took me a couple of days. I was going crazy

00:59:06 ◼   ► adjusting to you know to this different layout and I realized that my situation is a bit peculiar because I'm in Italy

00:59:13 ◼   ► but I write in English and my audience is primarily American so I use the US key English keyboard and

00:59:19 ◼   ► For me the struggle was going from the IPAD R2 keyboard the software one, which I used on a daily basis

00:59:26 ◼   ► I mostly use the software keyboard when I work from my iPad

00:59:29 ◼   ► So I needed to go

00:59:32 ◼   ► from that keyboard to the US English software keyboard on the iPad Pro, which has a different layout.

00:59:39 ◼   ► On the iPad Air 2, the delete key is on the right side. On the iPad Pro,

00:59:44 ◼   ► there's a bunch of keys underneath the delete key, so I was always typing them instead of deleting characters.

00:59:50 ◼   ► So that's for the US English.

00:59:52 ◼   ► So I think I got two problems trying to get used to. The US English layout itself and

00:59:58 ◼   ► and the fact that the Italian software keyboard doesn't switch to the physical Italian keyboard.

01:00:04 ◼   ► So it's a...

01:00:05 ◼   ► Maybe my situation is a bit odd,

01:00:07 ◼   ► but I totally believe that Apple should, if they want to replicate the layout of physical keyboards,

01:00:15 ◼   ► they should be correctly doing so and they should be accurate.

01:00:18 ◼   ► I don't think it's gonna be that weird because I'm gonna have the exact same problem.

01:00:22 ◼   ► Right? The keyboard is not going to be

01:00:26 ◼   ► laid out as I would expect it to be even though it's gonna have

01:00:29 ◼   ► All of the it's gonna understand that is a British keyboard

01:00:33 ◼   ► It's gonna have the glyphs as they should be but the layout is gonna be different which is gonna be very peculiar for me to try

01:00:38 ◼   ► And get get used to yeah, and on the on the app side

01:00:42 ◼   ► All these extra once I get used to it and it took me a few days and I'm still

01:00:49 ◼   ► typing characters I don't want to type when I want to delete a few characters on the text field.

01:00:56 ◼   ► The upside is that the extra characters always shown

01:01:01 ◼   ► at the same time in the main keyboard view and especially the number row and the special characters on top of numbers,

01:01:08 ◼   ► they came really in handy for me for editing markdown, so I get easier access to square brackets,

01:01:15 ◼   ► easier access to numbers.

01:01:18 ◼   ► So once I got used to it, it was really nice because even when writing scripts in Pythonista,

01:01:25 ◼   ► these special characters are useful to have on the main keyboard, so I don't have to switch between different views of the keyboard.

01:01:32 ◼   ► But another thing that has me going crazy, you know the little 1, 2, 3 key on the keyboard that lets you switch to only the special character and number mode?

01:01:45 ◼   ► And you know that there's a little globe key next to it.

01:01:48 ◼   ► Well, the placement of the globe key and the 1-2-3 key has been reversed on the iPad Pro.

01:01:56 ◼   ► For a reason! Nobody can explain!

01:02:00 ◼   ► For reasons unknown, every time I go, instinctively reach out to the 1-2-3 key, I switch keyboards with the globe key.

01:02:11 ◼   ► I either switch to the emoji one or I switch to Italian.

01:02:15 ◼   ► I don't understand why the globe icon is now the first one

01:02:19 ◼   ► instead of being in the second spot, I believe. It's on the iPad R2,

01:02:23 ◼   ► on the iPhone, it's always been that way, I believe.

01:02:27 ◼   ► Or if they changed it, they changed it a couple of years ago and now on

01:02:31 ◼   ► every other device it's in the second spot, in the bottom row, on the left

01:02:35 ◼   ► most side corner. Now the position is different on the iPad Pro

01:02:39 ◼   ► So every time, just with my left index, I go reach out for that key, I change keyboards, and I'm like "Oh no, not again".

01:02:47 ◼   ► I don't understand why there's this change. I honestly have no idea.

01:02:54 ◼   ► Maybe the theory is that, again, to replicate a physical keyboard, the globe key needed to be out of the way?

01:03:04 ◼   ► I don't know. Coming up empty with explanations. No idea.

01:03:09 ◼   ► Seems crazy to me that that would change. It's such a muscle memory thing that worries me.

01:03:13 ◼   ► So one other thing that's different on the iPad Pro keyboard is that there's no more split keyboard.

01:03:19 ◼   ► And I'm pretty sure that the most loyal Scott Forsthold fans will be upset here.

01:03:25 ◼   ► The split keyboard famously introduced by Forrestal back in the iOS 5 days on the iPad is now gone on the iPad Pro.

01:03:35 ◼   ► You can still undock the keyboard so you can use it as a full-size keyboard, not necessarily at the bottom, so you can move it around vertically, but you can no longer split the keyboard.

01:03:47 ◼   ► keyboard. I don't know, I'm not particularly sad. It is a bit strange that they're doing it now,

01:03:55 ◼   ► when you consider that maybe some people, not me, but some people could find this useful because the

01:04:00 ◼   ► iPad Pro is wider and having the ability to have a split keyboard on each side could make it a

01:04:07 ◼   ► little easier for them. But I never used it, I'm not really sad. And it was a long time coming,

01:04:15 ◼   ► I was actually surprised that it was still around with iOS 9, so maybe the iPad Pro offered a nice opportunity for a clean break.

01:04:22 ◼   ► I don't know, are you guys sad that the split keyboard is gone?

01:04:26 ◼   ► I am, because I use it, and it feels like it would be more useful to me to have it here.

01:04:30 ◼   ► Really, you use it?

01:04:31 ◼   ► Yeah, I do use it.

01:04:32 ◼   ► It's more comfortable to hit the middle keys on the keyboard when in portrait.

01:04:37 ◼   ► It looks kind of terrible, man.

01:04:39 ◼   ► Oh, it looks terrible, but it's functional.

01:04:40 ◼   ► It's very functional.

01:04:41 ◼   ► You don't have to stretch your hands so much to hit the middle keys when you're typing

01:04:45 ◼   ► in portrait.

01:04:46 ◼   ► So I've always really liked it and now it's going to be even more difficult to type in

01:04:51 ◼   ► portrait because the thing is huge.

01:04:53 ◼   ► It's like a landscape iPad.

01:04:55 ◼   ► So it feels like this is the only real iPad to me where the split keyboard would be super

01:05:00 ◼   ► useful to more people.

01:05:02 ◼   ► But now they've gotten rid of it.

01:05:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:05:04 ◼   ► I agree with Myke 100%.

01:05:06 ◼   ► Which is kind of peculiar.

01:05:08 ◼   ► But you know I guess if I need it that much there are third party keyboards that will

01:05:11 ◼   ► be able to help me.

01:05:12 ◼   ► Eh, do you really want to use the third party keyboard, Myke?

01:05:15 ◼   ► No, especially when it's more difficult to switch between them now because they've moved

01:05:18 ◼   ► the bons now.

01:05:20 ◼   ► Yes.

01:05:21 ◼   ► By the way, switching between third party keyboards seems to be a little faster on the

01:05:26 ◼   ► iPad Pro.

01:05:27 ◼   ► It takes 4 gigs of RAM to switch between keyboards.

01:05:30 ◼   ► That's what the extra RAM is there for.

01:05:32 ◼   ► I didn't include this in the review, I kind of just want to mention it in passing with

01:05:35 ◼   ► you guys, but it seems like a fraction of a second faster, but could be a placebo effect,

01:05:40 ◼   ► Maybe my brain is just looking at this fast device and saying, "Yeah, switching keyboards is also faster."

01:05:46 ◼   ► It seemed that way to me, but I'm not completely sure about it.

01:05:49 ◼   ► That's why they moved the globe, because they wanted to show you how much quicker it was.

01:05:52 ◼   ► Oh, yeah. That's the strategy there.

01:05:56 ◼   ► Okay, guys, look, we did fix it. Keyboards are good now.

01:05:59 ◼   ► Federico, last week on the show we were talking about you using multiple iPads in the past to do the monthly results stuff.

01:06:08 ◼   ► I assume that tasks like this with the split view, with it looking like basically two iPads next to each other, make things like this a lot easier for you on a day-to-day basis.

01:06:17 ◼   ► Yeah. You don't get the problem of the Apet Air 2 when splitting the screen in two apps shows you two apps, for sure.

01:06:27 ◼   ► But it also gives you a compact layout, which often hides some controls or forces you to swipe to reveal sidebars and other menus.

01:06:37 ◼   ► Here you get exactly two portrait apps at the same time, so you get a regular vertical layout.

01:06:45 ◼   ► And it helps for, again, there's a few different examples.

01:06:50 ◼   ► Safari shows tabs and controls at the top.

01:06:55 ◼   ► Many apps don't use action sheets that come up from the bottom.

01:07:02 ◼   ► they instead use popovers on the iPad Pro, so you can see these little menus

01:07:07 ◼   ► instead of a model menu that takes half of the screen.

01:07:12 ◼   ► It's a series of little differences, and it's all based on size classes for iOS,

01:07:18 ◼   ► which developers have started to use last year, and then they're highly used to

01:07:24 ◼   ► power the multitasking interface of iOS 9 on the iPad.

01:07:28 ◼   ► For me, and the kind of usage that I do with the iPad and with iOS 9, I would say that the iPad Pro brings the true expression of iOS 9 multitasking,

01:07:43 ◼   ► because it's really two full-size apps at the same time. It feels like there's no compromise there.

01:07:50 ◼   ► And on the iPad R2, it's more like saying "Yeah, we can do two apps at the same time"

01:07:56 ◼   ► and it's great.

01:07:57 ◼   ► And I've used it since June, I wrote my entire review using iOS 9 multitasking, it was amazing.

01:08:04 ◼   ► On the iPad Pro, it's better.

01:08:05 ◼   ► Simply because you get two bigger apps and you get the same layouts that you're used

01:08:10 ◼   ► to, which is a very important thing to note.

01:08:15 ◼   ► Because when you're using apps in fullscreen, switching to split view doesn't have an increased

01:08:21 ◼   ► cognitive load on you.

01:08:23 ◼   ► You don't have to remember "oh yeah, when I split the screen, the controls change".

01:08:27 ◼   ► They're always in the same spot, which helps a lot when working with touch on the iPad.

01:08:31 ◼   ► That's a really, really interesting point.

01:08:33 ◼   ► I hadn't considered that, but yeah, because I guess on the iPad Pro a lot of apps are

01:08:38 ◼   ► being scaled up, right?

01:08:40 ◼   ► So when you put them into split view, because it's still so big, they don't need to do that.

01:08:45 ◼   ► they don't need to change.

01:08:46 ◼   ► - Yep, exactly.

01:08:48 ◼   ► So my favorite example is Safari.

01:08:51 ◼   ► Again, I use the app all the time.

01:08:52 ◼   ► And I'm so used to having tabs on the iPad

01:08:57 ◼   ► just below the address bar.

01:08:59 ◼   ► When I use Split View with Safari on the iPad R2,

01:09:02 ◼   ► I'm annoyed every single time it changes

01:09:04 ◼   ► to a compact layout,

01:09:05 ◼   ► which has the little tab icon in the bottom right corner.

01:09:08 ◼   ► So when you tap it, you get the iPhone tab view.

01:09:12 ◼   ► you don't get the horizontal list of tabs at the top,

01:09:16 ◼   ► you get a little carousel of tabs.

01:09:19 ◼   ► On the iPad Pro, even when you use Split View,

01:09:22 ◼   ► it still keeps the tabs at the top,

01:09:25 ◼   ► just below the address bar,

01:09:26 ◼   ► which is super convenient to move between

01:09:28 ◼   ► a bunch of websites when you're multitasking.

01:09:30 ◼   ► That's my favorite example by far.

01:09:32 ◼   ► - What about some third-party apps?

01:09:36 ◼   ► Have you had any good experiences or bad experiences

01:09:39 ◼   ► with the idea of the increased screen size

01:09:42 ◼   ► split view? One of my favorite experiences has been Tweetbot, because in portrait mode it shows

01:09:49 ◼   ► the second column, so on the iPad R2 you get the second column only in landscape. On the iPad Pro

01:09:56 ◼   ► you also get it in portrait because it's bigger. That's nice. I still think that top bots should

01:10:03 ◼   ► consider having three columns in landscape because there's really a lot of space available.

01:10:10 ◼   ► they could use a third column in landscape on the iPad Pro.

01:10:14 ◼   ► The interesting thing about the Tweetbot is, so I like to use it a lot on my iPad,

01:10:18 ◼   ► but I use it a lot in portrait view because I like to be able to see my,

01:10:22 ◼   ► like when I read my tweets, just to have that kind of an uninterrupted experience.

01:10:26 ◼   ► So is that something that I'm going to miss when using it on the iPad Pro?

01:10:31 ◼   ► Yes.

01:10:31 ◼   ► Or is the fact that because there's so much screen size,

01:10:35 ◼   ► I kind of get a real good view of the single column and then there's just another column there

01:10:40 ◼   ► there as well? Or is it gonna feel cramped for me still to have two columns there?

01:10:44 ◼   ► Okay, so no, it won't feel cramped because there is space available, Myke. It's just

01:10:51 ◼   ► a matter of taste and visual preference. Do you like having a second column or

01:10:57 ◼   ► just does it distract you too much? Because if that's the case, maybe there

01:11:03 ◼   ► should be a preference for users who never want to see the second column

01:11:08 ◼   ► in portrait, but it's not a problem of available space. The first column still is bigger, wider,

01:11:14 ◼   ► and it gives you more room for tweets. So it's just a matter of visual clutter. Do you want to see that or not?

01:11:21 ◼   ► Maybe it should be a preference, I don't know.

01:11:25 ◼   ► Other third-party apps that were really nice. I'm testing this new... not testing, I bought it from the App Store.

01:11:32 ◼   ► or I'm seeing if it works for me. This clipboard manager for iOS is called "copied"

01:11:38 ◼   ► and it's nice because in Split View

01:11:41 ◼   ► it

01:11:43 ◼   ► it shows you not just the list of

01:11:46 ◼   ► items that you've copied to the clipboard, it also shows you a detailed view for the selected item.

01:11:54 ◼   ► So on the iPad Earth, of course

01:11:56 ◼   ► it only shows a list and then you get a tap and you get the detailed view. On the iPad Pro when you're in Split View

01:12:01 ◼   ► view, you get both the list and the detailed view on the right side. So that was nice.

01:12:06 ◼   ► I saved a bunch of items into this app, so having the two views available at the same

01:12:12 ◼   ► time, that's a nice time saving. I didn't really have any problems getting used to apps

01:12:19 ◼   ► with a split view or at a bigger size. In fact, it was only a benefit to have more consistent

01:12:29 ◼   ► views when switching to multitasking. If you use a lot of third-party apps, I generally

01:12:37 ◼   ► believe that the iPad Pro is a very good update because you get used to a full-screen layout.

01:12:46 ◼   ► When you switch to the split-view layout on the iPad Pro, it's still the same one. It's

01:12:51 ◼   ► only slightly narrower than the iPad 2, but you really cannot tell the difference.

01:12:59 ◼   ► I would say, Myke, that there wasn't any problem getting used to it.

01:13:03 ◼   ► In fact, another nice feature was on the iPad R2, the shortcut bar, you know, the little

01:13:12 ◼   ► shortcuts on each side of QuickType, the suggestions on top of the keyboard, on the smaller iPad,

01:13:19 ◼   ► you often get a popover if there's no room for shortcuts.

01:13:24 ◼   ► So you get a popover to choose shortcuts.

01:13:29 ◼   ► On the iPad Pro, because the keyboard is wider, the shortcuts are always shown without the

01:13:34 ◼   ► popover, so there's no second step.

01:13:36 ◼   ► You always get those icons on top of the keyboard, and there's no other list grouping them.

01:13:44 ◼   ► So overall, I didn't have any problems getting used to third-party apps.

01:13:50 ◼   ► It was only beneficial to me, I would say.

01:13:52 ◼   ► Alright, we should probably talk about the accessories, right?

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01:16:03 ◼   ► - So one of the big parts of the iPad Pro story,

01:16:06 ◼   ► of course, are the accessories.

01:16:09 ◼   ► And I, for one, because I'm leading this section,

01:16:12 ◼   ► would like to start with the pencil

01:16:14 ◼   ► 'cause I think that's the most interesting

01:16:17 ◼   ► and I'm gonna, Federica, I'm gonna read something

01:16:19 ◼   ► that you wrote.

01:16:20 ◼   ► You say, "First, allow me to get this out of my system.

01:16:24 ◼   ► "The Apple Pencil is not the iPad Pro's primary input system

01:16:28 ◼   ► "that's still your finger and multi-touch."

01:16:31 ◼   ► - My understanding is that they've blown it now, right?

01:16:34 ◼   ► 'Cause it's a stylus, is that right?

01:16:35 ◼   ► They blew it, right?

01:16:36 ◼   ► That's the thing?

01:16:37 ◼   ► - Do we have to address that?

01:16:39 ◼   ► I'm not even gonna address it.

01:16:44 ◼   ► And rewatching the iPad Pro introduction from September,

01:16:48 ◼   ► that's something that they say multiple times.

01:16:51 ◼   ► The pencil is a supplementary input method.

01:16:55 ◼   ► But it's one that I think is really interesting

01:16:58 ◼   ► 'cause they haven't done it before.

01:17:00 ◼   ► There's the quote that people take out of context

01:17:02 ◼   ► and there's, you know, it potentially opens it up

01:17:05 ◼   ► to a whole new type of creativity and that sort of thing.

01:17:10 ◼   ► So how is it, how's the pencil?

01:17:12 ◼   ► First it really feels like a pencil, like the size is much taller than I expected it to be and

01:17:17 ◼   ► it feels great in the hand. It's light,

01:17:21 ◼   ► it's, I mean it's white so

01:17:24 ◼   ► some people won't like it because it kind of stands out if you have a black iPad.

01:17:28 ◼   ► But it feels really nice, so as an object, it feels very nice.

01:17:34 ◼   ► The performance on the screen is impressive and it feels very natural.

01:17:41 ◼   ► natural ink or sketches. Lines follow the tip of the pencil very closely.

01:17:50 ◼   ► And if you're moving the pencil slowly, there's no perceptible delay between a line appearing on screen and the tip of the pencil moving slowly on the display.

01:18:02 ◼   ► If you accelerate the drawing a little bit, there's a tiny, tiny latency between the two,

01:18:09 ◼   ► but it's much, much, much better than any other stylus I've tried on the iPad before.

01:18:15 ◼   ► And the result is, it's by far the best performing stylus I've ever tried, and even if I'm not

01:18:25 ◼   ► an artist and I don't need to annotate documents on my iPad on a daily basis, I've always bought

01:18:32 ◼   ► you know, Stylie on the iPad, just to try them out and see, you know, is this gonna be better for me if I wanna, I don't know, use Evernote with a bunch of PDFs.

01:18:44 ◼   ► For some reason I kept on buying, you know, Stylie for my iPad. I don't know why.

01:18:50 ◼   ► But the Pencil is really something else. And it's a combination of hardware and software.

01:18:56 ◼   ► APIs that Apple launched with IS9, predictive touches and coalesced touches. They help in

01:19:03 ◼   ► getting the iPad screen to recognize and to reduce latency between the pencil, the tip

01:19:10 ◼   ► on the screen and the lines appearing.

01:19:13 ◼   ► I tried the pencil with notes and with some third-party apps that I downloaded from the

01:19:19 ◼   ► App Store or that I got access via TestFlight. I tried it with paper, with

01:19:26 ◼   ► Evernote, I tried it with Adobe Sketch which is a sketching app from

01:19:34 ◼   ► the Adobe guys. What else? I tried even other apps that weren't necessarily based

01:19:41 ◼   ► on sketching and annotations such as I think it's called Complete Anatomy. It's

01:19:47 ◼   ► from 3D for medical and it was done on stage.

01:19:51 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

01:19:52 ◼   ► The one where they were drawing bone, horrifyingly, right?

01:19:56 ◼   ► You can also cut muscles and see what's underneath.

01:19:59 ◼   ► Stop!

01:20:01 ◼   ► Never using that app.

01:20:04 ◼   ► From an educational perspective it's really nice because you can make these precise cuts

01:20:09 ◼   ► and see what the human body is like.

01:20:12 ◼   ► Perfect.

01:20:13 ◼   ► So you get this 3D figure and you can use the tip of the pencil too.

01:20:20 ◼   ► Basically, it's like surgery. You get a cut precisely and you see what's underneath, so you can see the bones, you can see the muscles.

01:20:27 ◼   ► It's very cool and uses the 3D graphics of the iPad Pro so you can zoom and pan around. Very nicely done.

01:20:34 ◼   ► But anyway, my main use case for the pencil when testing it was using the Notes app.

01:20:39 ◼   ► And it just feels like writing on paper.

01:20:43 ◼   ► So I don't write on paper much.

01:20:45 ◼   ► And I realized that I'm talking to one of the guys who has a pen podcast.

01:20:49 ◼   ► What's up? I have many questions.

01:20:50 ◼   ► Hey, Myke, sorry. Sorry.

01:20:52 ◼   ► Just let me say sorry in advance.

01:20:54 ◼   ► If I'm going to say things that you don't like or don't, you know, please forgive me, Myke, whatever.

01:21:00 ◼   ► It feels like writing on a piece of paper to me.

01:21:04 ◼   ► And again, I say this as someone who doesn't write on paper much, but the palm rejection is nearly perfect.

01:21:11 ◼   ► So I can rest my entire wrist and arm on the iPad Pro, so I can just, you know, rest my...

01:21:19 ◼   ► a good portion of my forearm on the display and it won't recognize any touches,

01:21:25 ◼   ► so it won't draw one of those accidental lines that you always get when you try third-party stylus

01:21:32 ◼   ► and an app that's not built for the pencil.

01:21:35 ◼   ► Here that's not the case.

01:21:37 ◼   ► When you can rest your arm on the display

01:21:39 ◼   ► and you can draw with the pencil,

01:21:40 ◼   ► you can write, you can sketch,

01:21:42 ◼   ► and you only get the rendering,

01:21:45 ◼   ► the ink or the lines from the pencil.

01:21:48 ◼   ► So it's very well done.

01:21:50 ◼   ► I did trigger a couple of accidental lines,

01:21:55 ◼   ► usually in the bottom half of the display.

01:21:59 ◼   ► So I don't know if the iPad Pro is doing polymer ejection like in a circle around the pencil.

01:22:06 ◼   ► I have no idea.

01:22:07 ◼   ► Or maybe just a software issue.

01:22:09 ◼   ► I would say that I got 90% accuracy, which is very impressive.

01:22:16 ◼   ► So I think a way to tell about how Apple is doing the polymer ejection.

01:22:19 ◼   ► Can you move anything on the interface whilst using the pencil?

01:22:23 ◼   ► No.

01:22:24 ◼   ► In fact, when you, it's weird to describe,

01:22:28 ◼   ► if you, even if you activate Split View,

01:22:31 ◼   ► so you put two apps side by side,

01:22:33 ◼   ► one that has an input field for the pencil

01:22:37 ◼   ► and another like, I don't know, Slack or Splitbot.

01:22:40 ◼   ► You can draw on the left side with a pencil,

01:22:44 ◼   ► you can rest your palm of your hands on the Split View app

01:22:49 ◼   ► and it won't do anything.

01:22:51 ◼   ► So even when you're using two apps at the same time,

01:22:53 ◼   ► Palmer Ejection applies globally to the display and it's very well done.

01:22:57 ◼   ► So what it's doing, it seems like, is as soon as the pencil comes into contact with the iPad

01:23:02 ◼   ► it shuts off all other input.

01:23:04 ◼   ► Probably.

01:23:05 ◼   ► Yeah, which is sensible because you typically won't need it.

01:23:09 ◼   ► Because I would assume, and you can tell me if I'm wrong, that as soon as you lift the

01:23:14 ◼   ► tip you can move things.

01:23:17 ◼   ► Well you can zoom, you can select controls.

01:23:19 ◼   ► Yeah, that's when the tip of the pencil is off the paper.

01:23:23 ◼   ► I actually haven't tried to just hold in the pencil, and I don't know if it's even possible to hold the pencil on the screen

01:23:31 ◼   ► and select a bunch of menus at the same time with another finger.

01:23:35 ◼   ► I guess I didn't try this because when I'm drawing I'm concentrating on the lines and actually using the pencil.

01:23:43 ◼   ► But my idea is that yes, when you're...

01:23:47 ◼   ► And again, I didn't confirm this with Apple.

01:23:49 ◼   ► So it's just my speculation.

01:23:51 ◼   ► But when I'm touching the screen with the pencil, it blocks everything else.

01:23:55 ◼   ► So those accidental lines that I got were maybe a problem in between lifting the pencil and just triggering a touch.

01:24:04 ◼   ► But again, 90 to 95% accuracy.

01:24:09 ◼   ► I remember reading the first impressions from the Pixar guys and the Disney guys and they said it's nearly perfect and they were totally right.

01:24:18 ◼   ► It's nearly perfect. It's not 100% perfect but it's almost there.

01:24:22 ◼   ► I need to ask you some very specific questions now.

01:24:25 ◼   ► Okay.

01:24:26 ◼   ► Something I would really like to understand is how the iPad Pro and the Pencil work together for handwriting.

01:24:34 ◼   ► So can you take, for example, what would effectively be a blank sheet of paper

01:24:40 ◼   ► and write like you would normally write? Does it come up really small and really precise?

01:24:45 ◼   ► Because one of the problems of previous iPads, you've had to zoom in to make it look like the size of handwriting.

01:24:52 ◼   ► Can you write as if you were writing on a piece of paper? Will it accept input that is that small?

01:24:56 ◼   ► Yes, it does accept inputs that is smaller.

01:24:59 ◼   ► So you gotta combine the pencil and the ink rendering of an app.

01:25:06 ◼   ► So if you select a small pen and you maybe turn down the size, then if you use the pencil

01:25:14 ◼   ► you're gonna be able to write small details or small letters and small handwriting in

01:25:18 ◼   ► general.

01:25:20 ◼   ► So basically, Apple have now created the iPad I always wanted.

01:25:24 ◼   ► This is something I have always wanted.

01:25:27 ◼   ► So, you know, something that I imagine is

01:25:29 ◼   ► I take a lot of notes whilst recording during the shows.

01:25:32 ◼   ► I could maybe use this type of device for that.

01:25:34 ◼   ► I mean, I am a handwriting person.

01:25:37 ◼   ► This is something that seems very interesting to me.

01:25:40 ◼   ► Something else I've heard is that the texture

01:25:43 ◼   ► of the touchscreen is slightly different on the iPad,

01:25:47 ◼   ► which gives more of a resistance for when using the pencil.

01:25:50 ◼   ► Is this something that you've personally noticed?

01:25:53 ◼   ► Maybe a little bit.

01:25:54 ◼   ► Yeah, I've heard it's not a lot, but it gives some feedback when you're drawing the pencil

01:25:59 ◼   ► across the screen so it feels a little less like rubber on glass.

01:26:05 ◼   ► Maybe it has a tiny bit of resistance, but it wasn't a big deal to me really.

01:26:10 ◼   ► It's not like when you're moving, the pencil just glides across the display.

01:26:14 ◼   ► You don't get friction.

01:26:16 ◼   ► I noticed this and I thought that maybe the problem was me, but now that you mention it,

01:26:21 ◼   ► it is a little change in the screen. When you use your finger it feels a little different

01:26:27 ◼   ► from the Apet Air 2, but again it's a very tiny difference.

01:26:31 ◼   ► Okay.

01:26:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:26:33 ◼   ► Yeah, so that would be a good thing for me, right? So I'll be looking forward to reporting

01:26:37 ◼   ► back on just how much this feels like a good pen on good paper.

01:26:41 ◼   ► I don't want you to be disappointed, Myke.

01:26:43 ◼   ► No, no.

01:26:44 ◼   ► You're an expert.

01:26:45 ◼   ► The thing is I will always perfectly understand that it's rubber on glass. It's never going

01:26:49 ◼   ► feel like some of the good tools that I have, but just some of the basic

01:26:53 ◼   ► ideas of the fact that this could work for somebody that wants to use

01:26:56 ◼   ► handwriting software, this is a big boon for the device that I'm

01:27:01 ◼   ► very excited about.

01:27:03 ◼   ► Yeah, I think based on what I've seen, I've seen my

01:27:06 ◼   ► girlfriend write. I really basically forgot how to handwrite, but I tried and

01:27:12 ◼   ► it's fine, especially because you can rest your entire hand, you know, when writing.

01:27:17 ◼   ► So it feels like writing on a notebook with a pen.

01:27:20 ◼   ► That's the important part. Using hover hand is no way to go.

01:27:23 ◼   ► Oh yeah. You don't have to be careful with placing your hand on the screen.

01:27:27 ◼   ► With the previous iPad slightly, you needed to be careful,

01:27:30 ◼   ► like holding the stylus in an unnatural position to make sure that you didn't accidentally touch the screen.

01:27:35 ◼   ► That's not the case with the pencil.

01:27:37 ◼   ► You can just rest your hand and write.

01:27:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:27:40 ◼   ► And I think a lot of people are going to ask this.

01:27:44 ◼   ► can use the Pencil on older iPads? I mean, obviously you wouldn't have the touch sensitivity

01:27:50 ◼   ► and that sort of stuff with the scanning, but does it work at all?

01:27:52 ◼   ► No. At least in my tests it didn't.

01:27:55 ◼   ► So it doesn't even act like a dumb stylus?

01:27:59 ◼   ► No. So what it does is, when you... again, I tried.

01:28:04 ◼   ► When you plug in the Pencil into the iPad Pro, it shows you a pairing request.

01:28:12 ◼   ► So you get a dialogue that says "do you want to connect to the Apple Pencil?"

01:28:15 ◼   ► You say yes, and then it shows up in the Bluetooth preferences.

01:28:18 ◼   ► What I also tried is I turned off Bluetooth on my iPad Pro, so it was no longer connected to the pencil,

01:28:24 ◼   ► I plugged in the pencil on my iPad Air 2, and it didn't bring up the permission to connect to the pencil,

01:28:31 ◼   ► and I couldn't use it at all on my iPad Air 2.

01:28:34 ◼   ► So like, you open the Notes app, you put the pencil tip on there, and it doesn't recognize it?

01:28:40 ◼   ► Do you want me to try now?

01:28:42 ◼   ► I want to, yeah, this is something I think is quite important.

01:28:45 ◼   ► Let me try again.

01:28:46 ◼   ► Yeah, try that, because that is a...

01:28:48 ◼   ► That would be really interesting because it means that they're using a very peculiar tip.

01:28:52 ◼   ► Yeah, let me try for a second.

01:28:54 ◼   ► [Music]

01:28:59 ◼   ► Okay, so I get the pencil right here and my iPad Air 2.

01:29:04 ◼   ► Plug in the pencil into the iPad

01:29:09 ◼   ► and I get no permission to use the pencil.

01:29:13 ◼   ► So I can try to open the Notes app.

01:29:15 ◼   ► Just open the Notes app and see if it will recognize any kind of touch.

01:29:18 ◼   ► I bring up a new note,

01:29:20 ◼   ► and I switch to the drawing,

01:29:23 ◼   ► and it does nothing.

01:29:25 ◼   ► Man, that is crazy.

01:29:27 ◼   ► Because basically it means that they have not got a capacitive tip on this.

01:29:30 ◼   ► It's an iPad Pro only accessory.

01:29:33 ◼   ► Hmm, and I'm more interested now than ever about what they're using to recognize the touch because I know that Bluetooth will wait

01:29:41 ◼   ► But there are other Bluetooth styluses, but it means that the tip is not

01:29:45 ◼   ► It's not built in the same way that other stylus are right because they use

01:29:50 ◼   ► Whatever they use the conductive technology to make sure that it works, but how interesting all right

01:29:55 ◼   ► Thank you for performing that real-world test. Yeah sure I really appreciate that

01:29:59 ◼   ► I have one last question about the pencil and then we can move on to the keyboards.

01:30:02 ◼   ► So I know one of the things that it does is if you can plug it in for 15 seconds

01:30:07 ◼   ► and it gives you 30 minutes of charge, right?

01:30:09 ◼   ► Yes.

01:30:09 ◼   ► That's one of the great things about it. Can you do that continuously?

01:30:11 ◼   ► What do you mean?

01:30:12 ◼   ► So after it runs out after that half an hour, can you plug it in again?

01:30:16 ◼   ► For another 15 seconds, get another half an hour?

01:30:18 ◼   ► You can always plug it in.

01:30:20 ◼   ► Because I just wondered how the battery technology works, right?

01:30:22 ◼   ► Like if it was like you do that once and then you have to give it a full charge, but that's really cool.

01:30:28 ◼   ► They don't give you any recommendation. You can just plug in the pencil and

01:30:32 ◼   ► when you first connect the device to the iPad Pro, you get an additional icon in the batteries widget in Notification Center.

01:30:41 ◼   ► That's what I hoped it would be.

01:30:42 ◼   ► Yeah, just your pencil there and when you plug it into the iPad,

01:30:46 ◼   ► the icon in the widget, it gets a charging indicator

01:30:53 ◼   ► And you can always plug it in whenever you want. You also get an adapter in the box.

01:30:59 ◼   ► So it's a female-female adapter, so you can use a cable to charge the pencil instead of an iOS device.

01:31:04 ◼   ► And you really should do that, because when you plug in the pencil in an iOS device, I can confirm, it's kind of dangerous.

01:31:11 ◼   ► Yeah, it's incredibly crazy. I'm happy that they gave the connector away, and I'm really puzzled that they didn't mention this on stage.

01:31:18 ◼   ► because the idea of plugging that pencil into the iPad, you are begging for it to be broken.

01:31:24 ◼   ► Yeah, and it kind of jiggles into the connector.

01:31:29 ◼   ► Nope.

01:31:30 ◼   ► You should have you thought about maybe putting the pencil in and then holding up the iPad like a sign?

01:31:34 ◼   ► I did that.

01:31:36 ◼   ► You do when you need to protest at home, right?

01:31:41 ◼   ► You know one of those, I don't know if you've ever seen them, but one of those like religious

01:31:47 ◼   ► things in Italy, there's like a priest holding up a cross. I tried to do that with my iPad

01:31:56 ◼   ► and the pencil and it was really dangerous. I can't believe you actually did that with

01:31:59 ◼   ► something that you don't own. That is crazy. I was being careful.

01:32:04 ◼   ► Yes, of course you were, of course, Apple, if you're listening. We're more careful.

01:32:10 ◼   ► First and only time. Don't try this at home, kids.

01:32:14 ◼   ► surrounded by pillows.

01:32:15 ◼   ► - Yep, I'm so proud of you.

01:32:17 ◼   ► Alright, Stephen, ask some questions about the keyboard.

01:32:20 ◼   ► You're a typing person.

01:32:21 ◼   ► - So, from my perspective, as someone who,

01:32:25 ◼   ► I have an iPad keyboard case now,

01:32:27 ◼   ► I've got the Logitech Ultra Thin for the Air 2.

01:32:31 ◼   ► It's great.

01:32:32 ◼   ► I don't use it a lot.

01:32:34 ◼   ► And looking at this smart keyboard,

01:32:37 ◼   ► I wonder if it's something that I would use.

01:32:39 ◼   ► Like, the pencil's way more interesting to me.

01:32:42 ◼   ► You've got the smart keyboard Federico.

01:32:44 ◼   ► My big concern with it is sort of

01:32:48 ◼   ► from having used other keyboards like this.

01:32:50 ◼   ► Like if you use the Surface,

01:32:52 ◼   ► what is it, the Pro keyboard that they sell,

01:32:55 ◼   ► and have used a bunch of iPad keyboards over the years.

01:32:58 ◼   ► And for me it's all about the feel

01:33:00 ◼   ► and the travel of the keys and sort of what the experience is

01:33:04 ◼   ► and Federico I know you've just said it,

01:33:08 ◼   ► like that you are a software keyboard user for the most part.

01:33:12 ◼   ► So how is the smart keyboard?

01:33:14 ◼   ► Is it worth, you know, the extra bulk and weight

01:33:17 ◼   ► of carrying this thing around,

01:33:18 ◼   ► or is it sort of something that you think

01:33:20 ◼   ► a lot of people could do without?

01:33:22 ◼   ► - The first two days, I just hated the smart keyboard.

01:33:27 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:33:29 ◼   ► I could, I felt like a dumb monkey

01:33:33 ◼   ► trying to type on the smart keyboard the first two days.

01:33:36 ◼   ► I was too small, very little travel between the keys, when pressing the keys, I just couldn't...

01:33:42 ◼   ► and the layout was different, and all these differences combined, I was just going crazy.

01:33:49 ◼   ► The third day, I woke up, went into the kitchen, started typing on the smart keyboard, and

01:33:55 ◼   ► I basically almost finished my review on it.

01:33:59 ◼   ► So I gave it 48 hours, and then, you know, it started working for me.

01:34:06 ◼   ► And now I'm just loving it.

01:34:09 ◼   ► So here's the thing.

01:34:11 ◼   ► If you don't like keyboards with little travel when pressing down the keys, this is not for

01:34:18 ◼   ► you.

01:34:19 ◼   ► If you are in the camp of people who don't like the new MacBook keyboard, you're not

01:34:24 ◼   ► gonna like this one because it's got even less travel.

01:34:26 ◼   ► Yeah, and also it's not even plastic on the top, right?

01:34:29 ◼   ► It's like that material.

01:34:30 ◼   ► No, it's fabric.

01:34:31 ◼   ► And when you... can I give you a little demo of the sound that it makes when you slide your fingers across the keys?

01:34:37 ◼   ► This is a podcast, it feels like the perfect scenario.

01:34:40 ◼   ► Okay, so this is the sound that the smart keyboard makes when you're typing on it.

01:34:45 ◼   ► [

01:34:45 ◼   ► [Tapping]

01:34:47 ◼   ► Ugh.

01:34:49 ◼   ► And this is the sound that it makes when you're sliding your fingers across the fabric that covers the keys.

01:34:58 ◼   ► [Tapping]

01:35:02 ◼   ► Did you get that?

01:35:03 ◼   ► Yeah, it sounds horrible. Like it sounds like there's nothing. Like you're just slapping some fabric. That's what it sounds like.

01:35:09 ◼   ► It's kind of like that. So if you don't like small keyboards or very thin ones, you're not gonna like this one.

01:35:20 ◼   ► But for people like me, with no particular preconception on small keyboards, travel, when pressing keys, I personally don't like clicky keyboards.

01:35:33 ◼   ► keyboards and I realized this is like one of the worst things you could say to

01:35:39 ◼   ► Mac nerds. I mean on a daily basis though you're just smashing your fingers into

01:35:45 ◼   ► pieces of glass like you're not ever using a keyboard so anything is better in air quotes

01:35:51 ◼   ► than then yeah because I don't want to make judgments on what is better and

01:35:55 ◼   ► what is worse but anything is better right it's more travel any travel is

01:35:59 ◼   ► more travel. Yeah, exactly. So for me, when pressing the keys is still better than not

01:36:06 ◼   ► pressing anything on the screen, if I'm looking for the physical feel of pressing a key. On

01:36:14 ◼   ► the third day, I got very used to the Smart Keyboard, and now I can type really fast on

01:36:21 ◼   ► it. And the big difference here to understand is that the Smart Keyboard doubles as a cover,

01:36:28 ◼   ► And that's a big advantage.

01:36:30 ◼   ► And even if there's a... when you fold the keyboard back into the cover, it creates a

01:36:37 ◼   ► little ridge on the front of the cover, because there's a keyboard behind it.

01:36:42 ◼   ► And it's not very nice to look at, but in practice it adds some bulk to the iPad, but

01:36:50 ◼   ► not as much as other keyboard cases do.

01:36:54 ◼   ► And I feel like keyboards will see many types of keyboards like this, using the smart connector

01:37:01 ◼   ► to transfer data and power, will see many types of these thin covers that also have

01:37:07 ◼   ► a keyboard. And for me, the big thing is, when I put the smart keyboard on the iPad,

01:37:14 ◼   ► it is both a cover and a keyboard in a single package, I can still put the iPad Pro in my

01:37:20 ◼   ► bag and basically there's a gain in maybe half a centimeter which is no big deal, which

01:37:28 ◼   ► is not exactly like using the Logitech keyboard case which adds a ton of bulk to the iPad

01:37:33 ◼   ► Pro.

01:37:34 ◼   ► Because you have one of those as well, don't you?

01:37:36 ◼   ► Yes, yes.

01:37:37 ◼   ► Apple gave me also a Logitech Create.

01:37:40 ◼   ► It's a keyboard case and it's very nice.

01:37:44 ◼   ► The keyboard is great.

01:37:45 ◼   ► It's really like a MacBook keyboard.

01:37:47 ◼   ► It's got an Italian layout, which I really appreciate.

01:37:50 ◼   ► And unlike the Smart Keyboard, it has a shortcut row.

01:37:55 ◼   ► So you get these iOS specific shortcuts.

01:37:59 ◼   ► So like a home button, media controls, brightness, volume.

01:38:04 ◼   ► It's really nice and it's backlit.

01:38:06 ◼   ► It's very surprising to me that the Smart Keyboard doesn't have those shortcut keys.

01:38:12 ◼   ► The backlight on that Logitech One though, man, that sounds really great.

01:38:17 ◼   ► So that's one of the advantages of the smart connector, right? It transfers both data and

01:38:21 ◼   ► power from the iPad to the keyboard and vice versa. So the logic that creates has two levels

01:38:29 ◼   ► of backlight. It kind of dims the keys after a few seconds, then turns them off to save

01:38:36 ◼   ► power of course, but as soon as you press this, and if you're constantly typing, it's

01:38:41 ◼   ► always backlit, and it's very convenient when you're typing in the dark and you want to

01:38:46 ◼   ► the keys. It's very nice. The problem is I really don't like the case part of the

01:38:52 ◼   ► Logitech Create. It feels kind of cheap. It's plastic. It's covered in a nice

01:38:56 ◼   ► textured fabric, which is cool, but the case itself, it's plastic. It feels cheap

01:39:02 ◼   ► to me. I don't like how you get up, you know, place the iPad into the case, kind

01:39:06 ◼   ► of force it into the corners. I don't like how the volume buttons are

01:39:14 ◼   ► are covered by these contact buttons on top of it, and they have cheap stickers for plus and minus,

01:39:24 ◼   ► which are already coming off in my review unit. So the keyboard is excellent. The case part feels a little rushed,

01:39:31 ◼   ► which is too bad, because the keyboard is really nice. But, and here's the other thing that I also mentioned in the review,

01:39:39 ◼   ► It depends on how you're gonna use the iPad Pro. If you're gonna use the device at a desk or in an office

01:39:44 ◼   ► setup, if you're not gonna be traveling a lot with the iPad Pro, if it's really

01:39:48 ◼   ► like a desktop computer for you, and when you don't need the case you can just take the iPad,

01:39:54 ◼   ► you should consider the Logitech keyboard, because if your primary usage is

01:39:59 ◼   ► sitting down, typing on a keyboard connected to the iPad Pro,

01:40:03 ◼   ► it is a better physical keyboard for productivity. It's got the shortcuts,

01:40:08 ◼   ► it's got backlight, it's bigger, so it really feels like a MacBook keyboard.

01:40:14 ◼   ► And there's more travel when pressing keys, but if you're gonna travel with the iPad,

01:40:20 ◼   ► if you wanna take the iPad with you, and you're looking for a solution that's bought a cover and a keyboard,

01:40:26 ◼   ► I really recommend the Smart Keyboard. But, again, if you don't like thin keyboards,

01:40:32 ◼   ► and if you don't like the fact that there's little travel on the keys, then I don't know.

01:40:37 ◼   ► I would say my suggestion is go to an Apple Store, try the keyboard like a lot of people

01:40:41 ◼   ► have done with the MacBook, see if it works for you.

01:40:44 ◼   ► I bet there's gonna be demo units at an Apple Store with the iPad Pro and the Smart Keyboard.

01:40:49 ◼   ► So try that, see if it works for you, and then consider, am I gonna travel with this

01:40:53 ◼   ► iPad Pro a lot or am I gonna sit down most of the time?

01:40:56 ◼   ► So the bulk of the logic that I create is not a problem.

01:41:00 ◼   ► That's a question you gotta ask yourself and I would say there's gonna be many more smart

01:41:06 ◼   ► connector powered accessories coming out. Apple told me it's totally up to third-party

01:41:11 ◼   ► manufacturers to come up with ideas. They're not setting any street guidelines on the types

01:41:19 ◼   ► of accessories that they can create. They can go crazy. And I totally believe there's

01:41:23 ◼   ► going to be all sorts of keyboards and cases and covers, whatever. So maybe wait a little

01:41:29 ◼   ► and see what third-party companies do. That would be my advice.

01:41:33 ◼   ► That connector is magic.

01:41:35 ◼   ► Yes, it's really nice. It's not magnetic, the connector itself. So it's three pins that have to be in contact with the connector on the iPad Pro.

01:41:45 ◼   ► There's magnets around it. Like as usual, since the iPad 2 there's magnets on the left side.

01:41:54 ◼   ► So Apple uses the magnets to align the cover or the cover part of the Smart Keyboard.

01:42:02 ◼   ► And because they're used to align magnets on one side and on the other side, they also align the connector.

01:42:10 ◼   ► But the connector itself doesn't have magnets inside the connector or inside the pins.

01:42:15 ◼   ► It's just a point of contact. So that's a little detail worth mentioning.

01:42:21 ◼   ► It's interesting to me too that the connector does offer that flexibility.

01:42:26 ◼   ► So we've talked about keyboards, but do you know, can that connector be used for other

01:42:32 ◼   ► types of things?

01:42:33 ◼   ► So what I thought of just kind of randomly was using an iPad and an audio setup.

01:42:39 ◼   ► Could I sit this thing down on top of a DJ station or some sort of mixing interface and

01:42:45 ◼   ► transfer data to that connector or is it just keyboards?

01:42:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know yet.

01:42:50 ◼   ► I also imagine the same kind of possibility, but I don't know.

01:42:54 ◼   ► I got no details from Apple on how much power can you transfer with the smart connector.

01:43:00 ◼   ► I don't have the technical details behind the requirements for the smart connector.

01:43:06 ◼   ► I can also imagine that would make sense for audio accessories, for audio instruments that

01:43:10 ◼   ► you can plug in in some way into the iPad, but I don't know.

01:43:15 ◼   ► Just speculation.

01:43:16 ◼   ► That's fair.

01:43:17 ◼   ► And do you think we're going to see this on, or any of the accessories really, on other

01:43:21 ◼   ► iPads in the future?

01:43:24 ◼   ► That's the question that I was also thinking about. It would make sense, right, to kind of make it a more universal kind of plugin type or

01:43:33 ◼   ► plug-and-play experience on any iPad. But right now it's also one of the key

01:43:39 ◼   ► differentiators on the iPad Pro, right? You can plug in this keyboard or you can use other accessories because it's a more, you know,

01:43:49 ◼   ► PC-like iPad. It can be your computer so it's more accessible. Right now it's

01:43:55 ◼   ► the kind of 10-pole feature that's only on the iPad Pro but maybe

01:43:59 ◼   ► down the road it'll become more universal across iOS. So I don't know. For

01:44:04 ◼   ► sure I don't see it happening on the iPhone. I don't know, I just cannot picture

01:44:09 ◼   ► an iPhone connected to a physical keyboard. But on the iPad Air 2, I don't know.

01:44:15 ◼   ► Well with a lot of the accessories, like the ones that you guys mentioned about like an

01:44:20 ◼   ► audio interface or something, I guess you've just got to consider why would it make more

01:44:23 ◼   ► sense than just plugging it into the Lightning port, right?

01:44:25 ◼   ► I think because you could just plug an iPad into an audio thing using the Lightning port.

01:44:30 ◼   ► So I guess it's about where's the, what is this connector supposed to be used for?

01:44:35 ◼   ► What type of information can it provide?

01:44:37 ◼   ► So I bet it doesn't provide as much data or power as a Lightning port can.

01:44:41 ◼   ► Yeah, that's a good point.

01:44:43 ◼   ► Yeah, the big difference there is if you use the smart connector with another accessory,

01:44:47 ◼   ► you can also charge the iPad at the same time.

01:44:49 ◼   ► So there are benefits, but it's like wondering what the two can do and how they can work

01:44:54 ◼   ► in conjunction or against each other.

01:44:58 ◼   ► One last question on the accessories.

01:44:59 ◼   ► Are Apple still making a standard smart cover?

01:45:02 ◼   ► Yes, but I didn't get one.

01:45:04 ◼   ► I'm curious to see how it works because the smart keyboard, you cannot... so you get two

01:45:11 ◼   ► Type and watch. So type is the physical keyboard and watch is when you fold the keyboard into the back of the iPad

01:45:18 ◼   ► so you can use it as a stand to watch movies or play games.

01:45:21 ◼   ► But you cannot fold the smart keyboard to prop up the iPad to type on the software keyboard as you can do with the smart cover.

01:45:32 ◼   ► It's basically the almost flat position, like a 20 degree angle that you can do on the smart cover.

01:45:38 ◼   ► the Smart Cover. I believe the Smart Cover still has the same two angles as usual, so

01:45:46 ◼   ► type on the software keyboard and watch, but I couldn't test one because it didn't give

01:45:50 ◼   ► me one. So I'll go to the Apple Store as soon as it's available and try to get one.

01:45:57 ◼   ► So big question. Are you going to be using this? Are you going to be buying one? Is this

01:46:01 ◼   ► your iPad now?

01:46:03 ◼   ► Yes, this is my iPad, I'm gonna upgrade to an iPad Pro, I'm gonna get the same model,

01:46:08 ◼   ► 128, WiFi and cellular, and I just, I feel like everything I've done on iOS so far, trying

01:46:17 ◼   ► to get work done for the past three years on iOS, and trying to use the iPad as my only

01:46:22 ◼   ► computer really for the past year and a half, maybe two years, I feel like everything got

01:46:27 ◼   ► me to this point where I gotta make a decision, am I going all in with the iPad or not?

01:46:32 ◼   ► And it's only natural after I've seen how iOS 9 and multitasking works on the iPad Pro and the kind of performance gains that I get

01:46:40 ◼   ► and the screen

01:46:42 ◼   ► Seeing more content and using two apps at the same time picture in picture is amazing. The speakers are amazing

01:46:49 ◼   ► I feel like this is what I want and not because there's an expectation from people or from Apple

01:46:56 ◼   ► You know on me to be liking this because I get a lot of people saying yeah, of course Federico

01:47:01 ◼   ► it's gonna like this. But it really works in practice for me because at the end of the day

01:47:07 ◼   ► what I need to do here is get work done and make money, you know, with my job. So I have no

01:47:14 ◼   ► particular interest in appeasing other people, you know. Yeah, yeah, I like it. So are you happy now?

01:47:20 ◼   ► I need to get work done on this thing and using it for a week and I have that crazy schedule. I've

01:47:29 ◼   ► been using the iPad Pro like 15 hours each day to get a good feel of it in a week. And

01:47:35 ◼   ► I feel like I've seen enough of iOS and of using it in practice that I can comfortably

01:47:42 ◼   ► say this is the iPad I want and this is what I want to buy, this is what I want to use.

01:47:48 ◼   ► So my conclusion after eight days of iPad Pro is this is my new iPad and I'm going to

01:47:55 ◼   ► buy one.

01:47:57 ◼   ► What about the portability thing?

01:47:58 ◼   ► Do you see yourself maybe at some point going the route that I expect, which is that you

01:48:03 ◼   ► will get a smaller iPad for the beach?

01:48:05 ◼   ► No, Myke.

01:48:06 ◼   ► Let's wait until the summer.

01:48:08 ◼   ► This isn't over until the summer.

01:48:09 ◼   ► Myke, I'm sorry, but it's just not happening.

01:48:12 ◼   ► It's not over, man.

01:48:13 ◼   ► It's not over until the summer.

01:48:14 ◼   ► I can't imagine.

01:48:15 ◼   ► I guess you could use the iPad as one of those tanning mirror things, right?

01:48:20 ◼   ► You're sitting there on the beach, get yourself a nice little tan.

01:48:24 ◼   ► It's gonna look great, Federica.

01:48:26 ◼   ► You're gonna be real brown this summer.

01:48:28 ◼   ► - Oh, real brown, okay.

01:48:30 ◼   ► - Get the silver one so you can just flip it over

01:48:32 ◼   ► and give yourself a nice little brown.

01:48:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:48:35 ◼   ► We'll see, we'll see, Myke.

01:48:37 ◼   ► But I don't believe so.

01:48:39 ◼   ► - So I think your conclusion makes a lot of sense.

01:48:42 ◼   ► If anyone is doing work on an iPad,

01:48:46 ◼   ► I think the iPad Pro is just full of upsides.

01:48:48 ◼   ► But what about users who are maybe more like me

01:48:52 ◼   ► where I get my job done on a Mac,

01:48:55 ◼   ► But my iPad is sort of that secondary role of casual gaming, reading, browsing, social media, that sort of stuff.

01:49:02 ◼   ► So what about me? What should I do?

01:49:06 ◼   ► So that's the key difference. If you're not using the iPad as your

01:49:12 ◼   ► primary computer,

01:49:14 ◼   ► the variables that you got to consider change. So you're no longer looking at power or

01:49:21 ◼   ► or iOS 9 multitasking. You're looking at size and you're looking at price and

01:49:27 ◼   ► you're looking at comfort when using the iPad for those types of activities.

01:49:33 ◼   ► So you have to consider the trade-offs, their important changes. So am I going to

01:49:41 ◼   ► hand over the iPad to my kid who's probably going to have problems using the

01:49:46 ◼   ► iPad Pro instead of an iPad Mini or an iPad Air? Am I okay with spending quite a bit of

01:49:53 ◼   ► money to get an iPad Pro when the only thing I'm going to do is watch Netflix and play

01:49:58 ◼   ► Alto's Adventure? I feel like I cannot make this decision for readers. I can only give

01:50:09 ◼   ► you this advice. The iPad Pro, I believe, is called Pro because it's meant for work.

01:50:15 ◼   ► doesn't mean that it's not better for movies or for games or the speakers because it is better.

01:50:21 ◼   ► In my personal preference it is much better to see a bigger movie or have richer, louder music.

01:50:29 ◼   ► Yeah, you go back to your bigger screen argument from earlier on.

01:50:32 ◼   ► Yes. But that's my personal preference and it's kind of, for me, it's kind of a nice consequence

01:50:40 ◼   ► of the primary cause, which is this is better for work and it's also better for entertainment.

01:50:48 ◼   ► But if for you work is out of the equation, I would say consider these other variables.

01:50:55 ◼   ► Size, price, you know, do I really need all this power? Because otherwise you'd just be fine with

01:51:02 ◼   ► with the iPad Air 2, if you don't really need all those other features of the Pro, it depends

01:51:10 ◼   ► on how much you want to spend and how comfortable you are with a bigger device when it's not

01:51:16 ◼   ► used for multitasking and work, basically.

01:51:19 ◼   ► So Steven, are you going to get one?

01:51:20 ◼   ► I'm going to give it a shot.

01:51:23 ◼   ► I don't want to say that I'm going to do it and fall in love with it.

01:51:27 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:51:28 ◼   ► like the Air 2, like almost everything about it.

01:51:32 ◼   ► The idea of a bigger screen making the media stuff better

01:51:37 ◼   ► is really intriguing to me, 'cause I do watch,

01:51:40 ◼   ► I watch a lot of stuff on my iPad,

01:51:42 ◼   ► and you talked about, we didn't talk about it here,

01:51:44 ◼   ► but in your review you talk about picture in picture

01:51:46 ◼   ► being really good, and I do a lot of research and stuff

01:51:50 ◼   ► on the iPad where I'm watching a keynote or watching

01:51:53 ◼   ► some sort of video and taking notes,

01:51:55 ◼   ► and that sort of work I think would really benefit from it.

01:51:58 ◼   ► But on the flip side, I do use it a lot on the couch. I use it a lot in bed reading at night.

01:52:02 ◼   ► And you know, maybe it's not as good of a fit there. I just don't know.

01:52:07 ◼   ► But I'm willing to give it a shot. So I'll be checking it out. I'll be ordering one.

01:52:13 ◼   ► I'm definitely going to do the pencil. I'm not sold on the keyboard. I want to try it in person.

01:52:17 ◼   ► I figure if I like the iPad Pro, I can always add the keyboard later.

01:52:22 ◼   ► I think the pencil is much more interesting from like a reviewing perspective to experience that.

01:52:27 ◼   ► But whether it sticks or not, I'm not sure.

01:52:31 ◼   ► I guess we'll kind of see where that goes.

01:52:33 ◼   ► - As I've said on the show many times recently,

01:52:37 ◼   ► since iOS 9, I've been using my iPad more and more for work

01:52:40 ◼   ► and there are a couple of things that I still feel

01:52:43 ◼   ► like I need to be able to turn it into a device

01:52:45 ◼   ► that I'm looking to use more seriously

01:52:47 ◼   ► and one of them is a keyboard.

01:52:49 ◼   ► I just like the ability of seeing the full screen

01:52:52 ◼   ► in front of me and typing rather than typing

01:52:54 ◼   ► on the actual screen itself, right,

01:52:55 ◼   ► so I get more of the view.

01:52:57 ◼   ► So obviously the smart keyboard provides that and I really like the idea of it being portable

01:53:02 ◼   ► and always there and part of the whole case, part of the package, right, so I'm not having

01:53:05 ◼   ► to throw another thing in my bag.

01:53:08 ◼   ► So I will try the keyboard.

01:53:10 ◼   ► I'm definitely going to get the pencil because it's in my wheelhouse and I really do believe

01:53:14 ◼   ► that this could be a better iPad for me and could really replace my MacBook Pro in all

01:53:20 ◼   ► instances other than when I'm travelling for long periods of time because I like to have

01:53:24 ◼   ► something that I can edit audio on, right, just in case I need it because sometimes

01:53:28 ◼   ► I do edit shows when I travel. But for work, like when I go to my co-working

01:53:32 ◼   ► space or whenever I'm just not at my Mac, when I'm not over in another country, I

01:53:37 ◼   ► can see myself wanting to use the iPad Pro for that and that makes a lot more

01:53:40 ◼   ► sense for me. Like I'm trying to stay away from my iMac for the majority of

01:53:45 ◼   ► time when I'm not recording, so I'm not sitting at this desk for 15 hours a day.

01:53:49 ◼   ► And I think that the iPad Pro could really help with that as the iPad Air is

01:53:54 ◼   ► taking it a big step in the right direction for that. So I'm looking

01:53:59 ◼   ► forward to trying this out and I will be getting one as soon as I can.

01:54:02 ◼   ► Nice. You sold us on it Federico, you did the job.

01:54:07 ◼   ► Well I'm glad. I think I made a good case for people who need it for work and

01:54:16 ◼   ► maybe people who don't need it for work and I'm really curious to see what you

01:54:20 ◼   ► guys do with your iPad Pro and if you stick to it after you use it for a while or if you

01:54:26 ◼   ► go back to the iPad Air 2, I'm sure we'll have plenty of follow-up for the next few

01:54:32 ◼   ► episodes and thankfully we'll have Steven taking care of the follow-up for us. So we're

01:54:38 ◼   ► in a good position guys, we're all gonna use the iPad Pro, we're all gonna be pros. It's

01:54:42 ◼   ► gonna be the era of the pros, that's what I'm saying right now.

01:54:48 ◼   ► I don't think we can go any further than that. If you would like to get in touch with us,

01:54:51 ◼   ► you want to send in feedback, there's a few ways you can do that. You can find a link

01:54:54 ◼   ► to send us an email and also find our show notes over at relay.fm/connected/65. There'll

01:55:00 ◼   ► be links to some Apple pages and also Federico's reviews as well, you can find them there.

01:55:05 ◼   ► If you want to read Federico's work on his lovely website, you can go over to maxstories.net

01:55:09 ◼   ► and you can also find Federico on Twitter, he is @vittici, V I T I C C I. Stephen writes

01:55:14 ◼   ► over at 512pixels.net and I'm sure that he'll have some of his own thoughts about the iPad Pro once

01:55:19 ◼   ► he gets one in his hands so 512pixels.net for that and Stephen is on Twitter too he is @ismh

01:55:25 ◼   ► and I am on Twitter I am @imike I M Y K E I don't write any of my thoughts anywhere else but I do

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