67: Being in Charge of a Space Rocket
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From Reave AFM, this is Connected, episode number 67.
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Today's show is brought to you by Braintree, Fracture and Squarespace.
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My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Federico Vittucci. Hi Federico.
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How are you sir?
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I'm doing great Myke, how are you?
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Yeah I'm very well, Stephen Hackett is out on assignment this week.
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So it's just me and you.
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He's reporting on the field for car sharing services.
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Yes, he is actually.
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So this starts one of those horrific things where now me and you have to do the follow-up, which is, it just never goes well.
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I will hold your hand, Myke. We're in this together. We can do this.
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It's all I ever want, really. As long as we're in this stuff together, I'm happy.
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So, let me start, Myke.
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So last week we were talking about the pro apps on the App Store and developers building
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apps for professionals and selling them, you know, not at $2 but maybe at a higher price
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and trying to make a pro business on the iOS App Store. Well, I got an interesting email
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from Tim Shaton. He works for GTI Predictive and this company, this is quite difficult
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for me to explain because they do crazy stuff. But basically what they do is they created
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an entire division of their company to replace industrial instruments and other tools with
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iPad software. So they make apps like a vibration analysis app called Vypro or a machine shop
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balancer or a thermal imaging app. They make thermal growth adjustment for shaft alignment.
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I don't even know what it means, but it sounds awesome. I mean, science, right? And these apps
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are not sold at your typical app store price. For example, Phase Pro, which is a phase analysis app,
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it's $200 on the app store. I just wanted to just point out it's phase, right? Because it
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It sounded like you said face, which is kind of funny.
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Like it just analyzes faces and gives you a rating out of 10.
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It's a phase.
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I don't know what a phase in an industrial whatever is, but still,
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Vibe RMS machine certification, $200.
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And they have built a very profitable business with these kind of very specific,
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very niche, but, you know, advanced iPad software.
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And it was very kind to send us an email with all the links and the details of these apps.
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This is one of the many examples that I had in mind. A company trying to find a market segment,
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a very specific one. And once you find your audience, once you find your market,
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and you make a software that becomes irreplaceable for people or for other companies, they are going
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to give you a lot of money. If people find the kind of tool that they need, not just that they like,
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because this is not about personal preference, this is about getting work done. So once a company,
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or once an individual, or a small team, it doesn't matter, once people find what they need, they're
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going to give you money. Yeah, the market is there, you just need to find it. The market might not be
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huge, and in those instances you just charge a ton of money. Yeah, exactly, because it's the kind of
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advanced software that acquires a very high investment beforehand
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and you're allowed basically by the market to charge this kind of money afterwards.
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So thank you Tim for the follow-up
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and such a great example.
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I don't know if you run a factory maybe you should check out the apps on the App Store
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or if you're Dr. Drang or someone like him maybe you will need these apps, I don't know.
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they look, you know, awesome to me because I don't understand what's going on in there.
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So it looks like...
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They look awesome in a non-usual awesome kind of way, right?
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Because they kind of look like hell to me, right?
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I guess it's just all this stuff and I'm like "I don't know what you do"
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but that's the kind of awesomeness about it because I look at it and I'm like
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"I can see that this thing exists but I don't know what any of it means."
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What's the the German word for being fascinated by something you're really afraid of?
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There's gonna be one. There's gonna be one.
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Some chapter markers? I'm not sure.
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So Myke, tell us about the other items in the follow-up.
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So Lauren wrote in, and we were talking last week about there kind of being an Apple app
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or like a banner app for the iPad Pro, right? Like the big thing, like GarageBand or something
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like that. And Lauren wrote in to say "It seemed obvious to me at the announcement that
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the banner apps for the iPad Pro are Adobe Comp, Adobe Photoshop Fix, Office, Procreate
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and the anatomy program that nobody will ever use.
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Just as Pixelmator was the banner app for iPad Air 2.
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I completely agree with this, right?
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They brought those developers onto stage
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and they were showing what these apps could do.
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And additionally, you know, they gave
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kind of early access to people like 53.
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And this definitely underscores the point
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that I think I was making last week about like,
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you know, there are apps, they're just not Apple apps.
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But I think that this further shows the change
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that Apple are going through with these things.
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They used to be the company that made this stuff,
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but now they're kind of outsourcing it.
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And I just don't know if that is the right thing to do
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or the wrong thing to do.
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Like should Apple be kind of setting the pace
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and showing what should be done on these things,
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or should they be working with third parties
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to create different experiences?
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I don't know what the right answer is,
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but I think it would be nice to see a mix of both personally
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because there is kind of like a,
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I think there is like a perception thing
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that if Apple is doing something,
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then they believe that it's worth it, right?
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They're putting their money where their mouth is.
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But I do think it's incredibly important
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that they continue to work with third parties in this way,
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this more direct way, so there are more choices
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when these new features and new products
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come onto the market.
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- Yeah, I totally agree.
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And I also believe Apple should resume their effort
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to lead by example.
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It was great to see Apple make GarageBand
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or the iWork suite for the iPad a few years ago.
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And now that they're not,
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I mean they're still updating those apps,
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but they're not making new paid apps on the App Store anymore
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and I feel like they really should,
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because it kind of sets the tone for other developers
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to follow and to be inspired by Apple.
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And I really wanna see Apple make Logic and Final Cut
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for the iPad Pro.
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I don't think it's too absurd at this point.
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We'll see what happens.
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Again, I have high hopes for next year.
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iOS 10, this is 2016, we'll see what happens, Myke.
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You know, I gotta talk about car sharing services again.
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I'm sorry, Michael, but we got follow up.
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We got follow up to handle, and a lot of people wrote in,
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including Spanish listener, Kicatin, I assume,
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it's the way that you pronounce this.
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We got this piece of feedback many many times. There's a similar service in other European countries called Car2Go.
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We mentioned this last week, Zipcar as well. Zipcar, yeah.
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It exists in the US and the UK.
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And Car2Go seems to be available in other European countries such as Spain.
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And I'm pretty sure I got feedback from maybe Denmark or Finland, I don't remember.
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member. So they use electric smart cars. We use regular gas cars here.
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Steven also had a question for you in the document that we share, Myke. Does
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Myke use any car sharing services in London? Because very famously
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you don't have a driving license. Yeah, so I don't use a service like Zipcar or
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Car2Go or what was the one that you used? Enjoy. Enjoy, because I don't drive, I
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can't drive but I do use Uber quite a lot.
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Uber? Yeah because it's it's so convenient here in London and there's
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some stuff going on right now where like the the government and the transport
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authority are trying to restrict Uber. Oh that's going around everywhere. Yeah I
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signed a petition. I know that Uber is kind of like there are people at Uber
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that make it like a terrible company but it is incredibly useful and the drivers
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seem really awesome and everybody that I speak to that is an Uber driver seems to
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be very happy with being an Uber driver. So I don't know, I mean I like the
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service a lot and it's very very very useful to me.
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Yeah I don't want to get into the politics of Uber because I got a few
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friends here who have very strong opinions about you know the taxi
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organizations and Uber coming over. But I just want to say that from my
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perspective, from my citizen and user perspective, progress always wins in the
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end and that's what people want. So you could force someone to use an old, antiquated, more
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expensive system or you could open the door to progress. But I believe that always happens
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in the end anyway, so we'll see.
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Yeah, definitely. So there you go, car sharing services. This is the show that you go to
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for car sharing news.
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Yeah, definitely.
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Stay tuned to Connected for more car sharing service news in the future.
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Oh man, imagine when Apple makes a car.
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This is the thing we're laying the groundwork man. We can point back and say we've been
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talking about cars for years.
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So Federico you published a really interesting article the other day about kind of branching
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out again with your automation. I haven't seen anything automation related from you in a while.
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It seemed like you've maybe gotten a little bit comfortable with the setting,
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like the kind of setup that you had. So can you kind of paint the picture, like you were using
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editorial and workflows I assume mainly, but now there seems to have been a bit of a shift in that.
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Yes, I started using editorial in August 2013, actually in November 2012, since I got the first
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beta, and of course the app came out nine months later in the summer of two years ago. And I've
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And I've been using editorial for all my writing for Maxories or the Maxories Weekly newsletter
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Two years I built dozens and dozens of workflows in the app and I used it in conjunction with
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Pythonista, which is another app from the same developer, and eventually I kind of consolidated
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all my workflow into editorial.
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I made workflows for Markdown, for WordPress, for Mac storage deals, for basically everything.
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And I was really really happy with editorial and I still think it's an amazing app.
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Doesn't have anything similar that can get close to its power on iOS.
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The only problem is, since iOS 9 came out, the first beta in June, I've been wanting
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to write in Markdown in Split View, basically.
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I want to use my text editor in Split View.
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I want to use it in full resolution on the iPad Pro.
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I want to use the new keyboard.
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I want to use the shortcut bar.
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I want to have all these new iOS 9 features
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in the text editor that I use every day,
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which is my most used app alongside Twitter and RSS,
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maybe, living into my text editor.
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It's the single piece of software
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that powers my entire business.
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because without a proper setup I wouldn't be able to write.
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Or I would be really slow, which would be bad.
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Or I would be really annoyed and therefore not inspired,
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which would also be bad.
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So I stuck with editorial on iOS 9
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even without split view and iOS 9 features
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throughout the entire summer.
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I wrote my entire iOS 9 review in it.
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But when it was time to get an iPad Pro
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and when I was sent the review unit and when I saw what editorial looked like on the big screen,
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I was really annoyed. I really couldn't bring myself to use the app in basically upscaled,
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blown-up mode on the iPad Pro. Like how I feel every day when I have to use Google Docs.
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Exactly. So I was wondering, maybe it's time for me to consider alternatives.
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And for two years, my main problem is, there are certain tasks that if I don't automate, I'm not leaving a tutorial.
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After many years of automating certain things on my device, such as creating links, or linking to apps,
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or inserting footnotes into a document. If I don't have those tasks in an
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automatic way, I'm just not gonna do them manually because I'm too lazy or stubborn
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or you know it's just a force of habit. I have things like that that I have
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integrated into my system or have decided not to just because it's like
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this is just a little thing like a little additional thing and if it's not
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done easily for me, then I'm not gonna do it because it's not massively
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important, it's a little detail, but if those little details take 10-15
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minutes every single time, it's like well I'm not gonna do that. So same as you,
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I mean not in the same kind of ways but I've got different things in my
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workflows and my systems that do things for me because otherwise they just might
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get left out. Yeah and I know that quite a few people maybe like to help jokingly
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make fun maybe of the workflows that I have. But I'll tell you, some workflows, I may have spent
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days putting them together, but they make me, they allow me to make money, basically. Because if I put
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together a workflow that automates generating links to apps that are on sale, I can have an article with
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with a collection of app deals and discounts and I make money, because those are affiliate
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links. Or if I have a workflow that lets me put together screenshots or a collection of
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links very easily, I can save time to do something else, which means more traffic to the website.
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So I try to keep a very practical approach here. I need to be able to get work done,
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I need to be able to pay the rent at the end of each month.
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What can I do to speed up, to make my core task easier, faster, or more efficient?
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So when I was considering moving from editorial, my main question was, can I replicate some
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key features anywhere else?
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So I just want to stop about the moving from editorial thing, because I know that your
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frustrations were that maybe the app isn't being updated as quick as you
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would like, right, with new features. Is part of this like a worry that
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editorial, if it went away, what would you do? Also, partly, yeah, that's not the main
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reason, but it contributes to that. Well I think this is something you have to consider.
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Considering how much of your life is living in these
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applications, you need to have a backup plan if they die or if they go away.
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It's the rule of two for apps, you know? One app is zero apps.
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One is none.
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One is none.
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So, you know, basically I wanted to give myself options.
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And it was kind of tough initially for me to consider this process.
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Like, what am I going to judge an important workflow and what, you know, not useless but maybe secondary,
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that I can keep editorial in blown-up mode, you know, just for that workflow.
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So I cut my list down to six or seven workflows that I need to absolutely have in an automated way in my text editor.
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And I remembered one day, there was this app that I bought a couple of years ago called One Writer.
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And I had basically forgotten about this app.
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In the back of my mind I kind of knew that it was possible to create JavaScript actions inside this app.
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But maybe when I was in the tutorial I didn't want to acknowledge the fact, or maybe I just didn't need another app with actions and scripts.
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But now it was the perfect time to give one writer another chance and to see what can I do with JavaScript.
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So it was also a good excuse to learn the basics of a new scripting language.
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I won't lie here, Myke.
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I kind of have fun doing these type of things.
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You know, it makes me relax.
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I don't know. I don't know.
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Maybe, you know, it makes sense for me because I like learning.
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I like being curious and I like basically challenging my own brain.
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And I think it's good for brain health to, you know, to try new things,
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to learn every day.
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How did you come back around to OneWriter?
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Because again, the process was, OK, I need another option.
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I need a tax editor.
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What can I do to automate these key tasks?
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And I just made the connection.
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You know, OneWriter has this JavaScript support.
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I can maybe take a look.
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And when I first read the documentation,
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I realized that it wasn't as advanced as a tutorial, of course.
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There's no visual workflow building here.
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It's all scripts and it's all JavaScript code.
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You cannot drag and drop actions, there's no preset actions for you,
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you're all on your own.
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This is the scenario for me where
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I could dip my toe into editorial like I can with workflow, and we're going to talk
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about workflow in a little bit, because it's visual, right? So I can
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use it like building blocks but I was looking at the screenshots of what you
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were doing with one writer and it's impossible for me to understand so I was
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like looking at some of this stuff and I can see that you're using Coda right
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which is yeah Coda is so beautiful yeah it is oh my word I actually bought it
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recently I don't even know why I did it I can't remember the reason why I did
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this out of goodwill. I needed to do something I can't remember what it was
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and I was doing some googling and it was like Coda could do it and it was just
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like one thing I needed one time and I was like man I do love this app so I
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bought it because you know Panic is just one of those companies like I just want
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to give them money all the time right any any reason that I can keep it's like
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with these guys it's like with smile it's like with the Omni group like I
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I just want to give these people money.
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So I bought Coda for iOS.
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It's interesting, there are companies like this that are just like "let me give you some
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of my money because I like what you do".
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Yeah, I know what it was.
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I was kind of looking for a new text editor and I was like "let me just see".
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It was like "nope, too powerful".
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This is not for me!
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But it's stunning.
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Anyway, so I'm looking at these screenshots and I don't understand how any of this works.
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So how did you even learn JavaScript?
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You don't have a coding background, you're like me.
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You don't have a computer science degree or anything like that, like so many of our friends
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You don't have any training in it.
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How did you learn this stuff?
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So what I'm about to say will maybe sound like heresy to programmers, but at least for
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So I learned a bit of Python years ago. I read some books and I did a lot of online documentation.
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I read the standard library documentation for Python and a lot of trial and error.
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Stack overflow questions and common threads, that kind of stuff. I just learned a bit of Python on my own.
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With the basics of Python, I feel like it was very easy to get started with JavaScript
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because the main ideas are kind of the same.
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You create variables, you need to be careful when you want to use plain text,
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which is called literal strings.
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You just need to learn a bit of commands,
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and they're called objects and methods in JavaScript.
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But it's different from Python, and I personally prefer how Python is more readable,
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I prefer the syntax, but JavaScript...
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- I would like to just state for the record
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that the connected podcast does not endorse
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or support any one specific coding language.
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- No, no, no, yeah.
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It's just me.
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I'm totally, so for programmers out there,
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please don't get upset.
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- I don't want that kind of follow up, man.
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I don't want it.
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- Yes, please don't be upset.
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We are nice guys.
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And I'm just an ignorant person
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who learned some very basic Python
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that he uses for very basic scripts
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that I'll ever get my job done.
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So, anyway, I basically took a look at some online documentation for JavaScript
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and, again, a lot of Stack Overflow and just trial and error.
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A bit of feedback for Coda.
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You can edit code in the app, but you cannot run or execute JavaScript.
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It's not an interpreter, it's just a text editor.
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So I was looking for something like Pythonista but for JavaScript on iOS
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and sadly I couldn't find any options, Myke, aside from a single app called IJS
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which has not been updated for the iPad Pro, which doesn't look good, but which executes JavaScript on iOS.
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Could it be bumping into some kind of app store rule? Is that the problem maybe?
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No, because Pythonista exists, so you know.
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So you know.
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Python East has had some problems though over time.
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Yeah but it's fine, you know.
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It doesn't do, it's got its own interpreter built in, doesn't do anything to the system
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that doesn't require your permission, you know.
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So when you write the code, you have to put it into one writer to execute it to see if
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it actually works.
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Your test is actually put it back in the app.
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See that's not elegant enough really, is it?
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And if anyone is listening, developers, consider the market for a JavaScript interpreter on
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think it's too crazy. You know why, Myke? Because in the next few months you're going to see, and I'm
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not going to tell you who or what or when, but you're going to see a lot of developers starting
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to use JavaScript for automation in their iOS apps. You'll see. I believe there's going to be a market,
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but we'll follow up on this. Anyway, so yeah, I needed to edit the text in Coda and paste it into
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rather than see if it worked. There was a lot of trial and error involved, Michael.
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I spent two, three days basically locked into this JavaScript environment, trying to replicate
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all my workflows, and in the end I did manage to build them. Maybe they're more simplified,
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maybe they're not as advanced or fancy as the workflows in the tutorial, but they replicate
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the same functionality. But something even more interesting happened. Because I was using
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BurnRider in SplitView, I found myself not needing a lot of the workflows that I used
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to have in a tutorial as a fullscreen app. So the ability to use this new text editor,
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alongside maybe Safari or my mail program or something else, basically cut many of the
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needs for workflows into a single app. So because I can look at two different apps at
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the same time, I don't need to do a lot of automation anymore. My workflow for inserting
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links from the editorial browser into the text editor, now it just became kind of useless
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for OneWriter because I can just put Safari next to the app, tap and hold the Safari address
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bar, copy the link and I create a link in the app because it's got a link button in
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the shortcut bar thanks to iOS 9.
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These iOS 9 features and the ability to use two apps at the same time kind of made me
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reconsider some of my automation. But that's not to say that I don't need automation. So
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I'm still doing... I have a workflow for generating App Store links. I have another for footnotes.
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I actually have two for footnotes.
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Today, I just published another one to send my text
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to Workflow, which has a new action that publishes it
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to my website, because it's got a new WordPress support,
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which is awesome.
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So it was an interesting process.
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And I put a big, giant disclaimer at the top.
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If editorial gets an update,
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I don't know what's gonna happen.
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I'm probably gonna move back.
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Because all this was coming from the perspective of,
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I'm really annoyed because editorial
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doesn't have iOS 9 integration.
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When it does have iOS 9 features,
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I'm probably going to be tempted to go back.
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- But there is a big benefit in doing what you've done.
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- Because you've kind of flexed your muscles
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a little bit more and can see that there is options
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for you outside of editorial, which is very important.
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Yeah, and it was fun, first of all, for me. It makes me feel maybe a little more secure about the kind of tools that I use, because if editorial disappears, I got this other option.
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Or if the other option disappears, I got editorial.
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And it was informative in a way, not just about JavaScript but to understand the way that I work.
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I feel that I understood my needs and my requirements, especially now after iOS 9, a little better.
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Because I now like to do this kind of introspection, workflow introspection I guess you could call it.
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Every year I like to understand what I really need, how I can simplify my life, how I can save time.
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because the end goal for me is... I got three goals. I wanna write stuff that I'm proud of,
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I wanna make money, and I wanna spend time with my family and my friends.
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So if I can, you know, when it comes to work, if I can create the kind of setup that allows me to do this,
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I'm really happy. So every year I like to do this kind of self-analysis and trying to understand what I can improve.
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And this is one of those... one of those scenarios, you know, I took a look at
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What's my key task every day? I need to write. And what do I use to write? I use this tech editor.
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And what's the problem here? It doesn't support iOS 9. So what can I do?
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It was a very fun and I feel useful process, Myke.
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So going back to the coding thing, you mentioned that you wrote some code from scratch, even though there were other things out there.
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Right, like code libraries or whatever you would call it, like examples that you could use.
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Why did you do that? Why did you decide to write stuff from scratch instead of like just borrowing from other people done?
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There was no
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alternative there wasn't no like no one has the need to
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I don't know place the cursor next to a footnote and see what the footnote says
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So while stuff exists in general, it doesn't exist in the Federico Vittucci way
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Exactly, and I'm very nitpicky about the automation that I like to do.
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So I used, you know, Philip Grennage, he does a fantastic job with JavaScript and with Python
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also on his website, OneTapLess.
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So I borrowed, you know, his App Store action for OneWriter and I had to modify it to my
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needs but, you know, if I didn't have Philip's work as an inspiration and as a model, I wouldn't
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I can probably be able to do that because it requires web actions beyond my knowledge,
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but I could modify it to show lists, to give me options and that kind of stuff.
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In many cases I like to use something that is made by other people,
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so I can also save the time I would have spent making it my own and writing from scratch.
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But in the majority of the workflows that are really key to what I do, like footnotes or markdown links in editorial,
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I always need to make them from scratch. Because the time that I spend optimizing a workflow made by someone else,
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I could have used that to make it from scratch and to make it better from the get-go.
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When possible, I like to download workflows from others.
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But in general, I try to use, and this is also the reason why I
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make my actions and my workflows available to other people,
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I try to use them more as a learning tool.
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I take a look at what another person does and then I'm gonna use that knowledge
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to make my own workflow, to make my own setup here, because I can take a look at the example.
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This is what I do, Myke. I download stuff by other people. I take a look, I learn, I try, I fail,
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I spend two days, I text you, you tell me I'm crazy, and then we do a podcast about it.
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For the remaining actions that you have in editorial, the ones that you can't recreate, I'm assuming because they're too complex maybe,
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what is the back up there? Like, do you have any thinking in mind?
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Like, what are you gonna do with some of those? If, you know, preparing for... it's not, right?
00:32:19
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There's no reason to say that editorial is going away, there's no reason to say it won't get an update,
00:32:23
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but what this has highlighted is a potential hole in your system, a little chink in your armor, you may say.
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What is the backup there for you, or say for example Apple pulled this app from the App Store.
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What would you do?
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So what I can do is, if really there's no alternative to editorial on iOS,
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My more advanced actions are basically all based on Python, so I can take the Python code,
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replace some of the visual actions with more Python code, and I can use the code in Pythonista.
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If also there's a problem with Pythonista, maybe it goes away, disappears, or Apple removes it,
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I can take the Python code and use it on my Mac. So if there's no option,
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Python code is open to everyone. I can still use that in some form on some machine. So, you know,
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the worst case scenario is I end up with a bunch of Python and I need to run it on my Mac.
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But, you know, I don't think that's gonna happen.
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Have you ever thought about having somebody build something for you?
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Yes. I considered the option a few years ago, just make these apps for me.
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Maybe I will consider it again in the future.
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Because I was thinking about this just before editorial came out, basically three years ago, when I was recovering from treatments.
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I was like, maybe now I should just consider making apps for me that I can use, that I can pay to keep them updated all the time.
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Then the editorial came around and I started playing with editorial and then Workflow and all these other apps.
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But now it's been in the back of my mind again to kind of say, "Maybe if someone was making this app, like an internal app just for me,
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maybe I could have the craziest features available exactly the way that I want them."
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I don't know, Myke. It's something that I think about every once in a while and lately more often,
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but I don't think it's happening anytime soon.
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So there was one piece that I wanted to read, a little quote, which was from the article that you wrote,
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which of course is in our show notes, and it goes like this.
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"By being able to use OneWriter alongside other apps with split view on iOS 9,
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and finding myself depending on fewer workflows, using two apps at the same time
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time has enabled me to cut down the number of steps required to reduce time
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spent editing, researching material, or publishing articles to WordPress. Now
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when I read this I had like a flashback to your iOS 8 review where you spoke
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about how you were using URL schemes less and less because Apple were
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building in tools to reduce that requirement. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And it
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Reminded me a lot of that. So it's like the same kind of idea that this is a
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Display to me that contrary to what many people may say or believe including us at times
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the iOS is growing and becoming more powerful. Yeah, and
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Some of the crazy stuff that Federico Vitech has done over the years is now kind of being implemented in Apple's way
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Yeah, actually that's great, you know, follow up Myke, I had forgotten about that.
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I'm still using URL schemes, you know, just today for example in the OneWriter
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workflow communication, but that's maybe the only URL scheme I've used in like six months.
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So definitely, I've seen especially, you know, starting last year with iOS 8 and extensions, I've seen myself
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Coming from this perspective of,
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I've been relying on these crazy workarounds for many years to
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speed up the time that I spend in those apps,
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and now I'm using these system features.
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It's happening again this year with multitasking and split view.
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I'm like, if I'm looking at two apps at the same time,
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is there really anything to automate anymore?
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because I can just move the data with these two apps that are available to me at the same time.
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And definitely I've been noticing moving from trying to trick the system into using the system
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in a way. I'm not employing so many workarounds anymore. In fact, I think I'm using native
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features more and more in combination with standalone apps.
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So it's not like I'm using URL schemes and bookmarklets to move from app to app because
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that's kind of an option.
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I'm using Split View, I'm using the shortcut bar, I'm using extensions.
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Then if developers take advantage of these features to build crazy apps such as Workflow
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or Japs or Runwriter, that's even better.
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But the key aspect here is iOS has improved and for people who get work done like me,
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and this is not just about blogging or writing reviews, this extends to many other aspects
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of working and doing these productive tasks on iOS.
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The system is now capable enough and there is a parallel maybe to last year, Myke, so
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I'll give you credit.
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good follow-up. This isn't the only thing that you've been playing around with
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this week. It's been like Federico workflow week. So we have a couple of
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other little interesting things to talk about but before that let's take a break
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to thank Fracture for sponsoring this week's episode of Connected. Fracture is
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lovely sheet of glass for you to proudly display or give us gifts. Fracture prints
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really are something special. As we said before, we love what Fracture make. I have
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a bunch of Fractures, we all have Fractures, and the reason is because they
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do look so fantastic. It's also great working with this company, they're so
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print people's important moments, you know, the things that they care about or
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know, they love that and we love being able to talk about what they do. I have
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so many Fracture prints like in our home of podcast artwork and I'm looking
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forward to getting some more real soon because it's one of those things like
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Fractures are just I don't know it's just such a beautiful little thing to
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have it takes these images that we have in our photo rolls and in our streams or
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display them proudly somewhere it really makes it a very different thing when you
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kind of put a picture of your family on the wall rather than having it you know
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And don't forget, if you get some Fractures printed, I love to see pictures of them,
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so feel free to tweet them to me. I like to see what people get printed out onto their Fractures.
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So Federico, the Workflow app has also continued to be a big and important thing to you,
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and there's also some new stuff that you wanted to talk about today.
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Yeah, today the app was updated to include a new "Publish to WordPress" action, which is exactly
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what I've been dreaming to have for basically forever on my iPad. So you can now send any text
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or rich text or images to your WordPress blog or blogs because you can add multiple accounts,
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both WordPress.com and self-hosted WordPress.org blogs.
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The letter is what I use at Mac Stories.
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You can send any text and you can pre-program any specific field, so you can set a title
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or you can set categories or tags or slugs, excerpts, all the basic fields of a WordPress
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You can access in Workflow, you can put in some text, you can use variables, you can
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and combine them with actions, and you can build workflows just for WordPress, which
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And, again, I've been trying to do this for many, many years.
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I remember back in 2010 or 2011, maybe, I got this link in the review today, I started
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to use Blogsy, which used to be one of the first blog editors for the iPad.
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got a really skeuomorphic interface back in the day. It was one of the first apps to bring the ideal of Mars Edit on iOS.
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Was that the one with the rabbit?
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The rabbit? No, it...
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It had a little rabbit icon.
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Oh yeah, maybe it had a rabbit.
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Yeah, I think they had a little rabbit.
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Like a black icon, maybe?
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I don't know. I remember a cartoon... or maybe that was something else.
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I remember there was an app that had a cartoon rabbit and it was like a Mars Edit type app.
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This one is blogzapp.com, it's got a typewriter icon.
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And I remember being fascinated by this idea.
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I was coming from the background as a heavy Mac user.
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I was looking at the iPad and the thought of being able to get work done on iOS was
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starting to fascinate me. I saw this app and I remember Broxy was not perfect, he had many,
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many issues. But it was the start of something new for me.
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I remember this.
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And through the years, I've been looking for... I've tried all of the WordPress capable apps
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on iOS. Posts was another one. Poster was the one that became my favorite. It got acquired
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by Automattic, the company, or how do you say, Automattic?
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I just say Automattic. You can't pronounce those extra T's. You just can't do that.
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It got acquired by the parent company of WordPress and it was my favorite. And then I moved to,
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2013, I was so annoyed by, you know, there's no perfect WordPress client that does exactly
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what I want, I'm just gonna make my own. And that's what I did. In the tutorial I was using
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Python to access the XML RPC API, which is an API that lets you talk to your WordPress
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blog. And I built, over the course of many, many weeks, I built the, basically what I
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I thought was the perfect workflow for me. So with exactly the
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precise sequence of steps that I want. So first it lets me confirm a title, then it
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asks me for categories, then it lets me use tags, and then it finally publishes
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the article to my website, and it takes me to the website to make sure
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that everything looks okay. So for two years, Myke, I've been using this
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workflow to publish content to Mac stories for both normal articles and linked items
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when I link to someone else. I've been using this every single day for two years and it
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was a very ugly code but it got the job done and it was practical.
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Sometimes that's the way man, it doesn't need to be pretty, it just needs to work.
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It wasn't pretty and it worked but many times it threw me an error because you know it wasn't
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the perfect piece of script, because I didn't build any error-checking routine into the
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code, so it just failed sometimes. And if I had too many tags on WordPress, it just
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didn't work, so periodically I needed to go through my WordPress backend and clean up
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some tags. You know, it wasn't perfect, but I've been using it to publish, you know, my
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iPad review, my cancer story, all my important articles were published that way. Except the
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the iPad review that I needed to paste into the website first and save as a draft and
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very nervously confirm that the embargo time was up and that I could publish. I just didn't
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trust Python for that. But everything else, 99% of my articles, all done with the ugly
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Python code. So when the Workflow team approached me a few weeks ago, they were like "Hey, we
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make a WordPress action. Can you give us some feedback?" I was ecstatic, it doesn't even
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describe the kind of feeling. It's like the single aspect of your job gets drastically
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improved overnight. It's like you need to transport something for a living and overnight
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you go from very tiresome transportation to being in charge of a space rocket.
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That was what I keep thinking about. It was such an improvement for me. And this action is amazing,
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because I can combine it with anything. And it's not Python code, it's got an interface,
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It's got menus that I can see and that I can customize.
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And I can use it with any text editor.
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Not just with one writer, which is what I'm doing now,
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but I can use it in drafts if I want.
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I can use it with notes if I want.
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I can use it in editorial.
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And this is the kind of freedom that using plain text, using Markdown,
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and relying on the system, not on a single work-around,
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or not on a single app, this is the kind of freedom that you get.
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you have portability of your workflows. You can move from app to app, because the iOS
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sharesheet is open to every app, and workflow, as long as you give it text, it's going to publish to
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WordPress. And so I've been, all the articles that you've seen on Mac Stories for the past couple of
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weeks, they're all being done with workflow on my iPad or the iPhone with this action, and it's so
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So much better for me, Myke. I'm just so happy.
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So what actually makes this different? Is it just making the step easier?
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Is it still going through all the same processes that you went through?
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So how is this publish to workflow action even working?
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So it's the same steps. I provide some text, which is my article's text,
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and I copy the file name of my txt file, which is what I used to write, to the iOS clipboard.
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And the workflow applies title case, which is the kind of format that I like for my headlines,
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lets me confirm the title, you know, if maybe I need to make sure the title case looks okay,
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or if I want to make some last minute changes to the headline. And then it takes the text and
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and it asks me, is this a normal article or is this a linked post?
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If it's a linked post, I pick a link that I want to use as the actual web page that I'm linking to.
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If it's not, it just goes straight to WordPress.
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And in the WordPress section, what it does is, it uses the title that I provided as the article title.
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I'm logged into my account, so it uses Federico Vittucci as the author.
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It publishes now, so I don't have to take care of any timestamp, and it uses the plain text, the markdown, that I gave it.
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Because on Mac stories we use Jetpack, which is a plugin from automatic that lets us
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use markdown in our backend, and it looks like HTML to readers.
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These are the three steps that I like. Of course, I didn't mention categories and tags.
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It asks me for a title, asks me for taxonomy, so categories and tags, and it asks me for a linked or regular article.
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I need to be able to manually confirm all of these parameters, and I need to be able to make that choice.
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I don't want the computer to make that choice for me.
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And after that, it just goes to WordPress. I don't have to do any copy and paste, I don't have to use the WordPress app,
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I don't need to manually confirm, yes, this is me,
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or yes, I want to publish now.
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It just does everything automatically.
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And it takes me to Safari, to maxstories.net,
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automatically at the end of the process,
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so I can confirm that the new post is indeed
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at the top of the website,
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and I can go back to work on something else.
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- So I guess the benefit for you then
00:50:34
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is now that you're able to do this from wherever you are,
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like in theory, you could publish to WordPress
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from the Notes app?
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Yes. And not only is it available anywhere, it's much, much faster and more reliable than
00:50:51
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my ugly Python code. It can fetch hundreds of tags with no problem. It can give me communicate
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errors if something happens instead of just failing. And it's a much better interface
00:51:05
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for WordPress because it's all done natively with iOS APIs instead of being
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you know Python work around in an editorial. It's available anywhere and
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it's faster and I trust it more than my very poor coding skills.
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So this is like just another example of the workflow app continuing to grow like they have
00:51:29
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really put a lot of work into this over time and it seems to be getting more and
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more powerful for people?
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Yeah, these guys are just insane.
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I see a lot of potential for Workflow going forward to expand to many different services.
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And the idea of WordPress, it's not completely done yet.
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For instance, you cannot update an existing article, you can only publish a new one.
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And you gotta believe that eventually you will get a more complete suite of WordPress actions.
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But, you know, this idea of... Workflow started as kind of an automator for iOS.
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Because, you know, the interface and the idea of drag and drop and system integrations,
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but now it's become much more than that, because it's perfectly and easily integrated with apps,
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and it communicates with all these different web services.
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It's much more than what Apple is doing with Automate on OS X, which is kind of forgotten anyway.
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This is a modern take, and a fresh one also, on automation on iOS, communication between apps,
00:52:42
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and integrating with all these different attach points.
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So you can have an action extension, you can have a "Today" widget,
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You can run the app normally, or you can put a shortcut on your home screen.
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You can use 3D Touch.
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So it's this sort of automation layer spread across all of these different iOS features,
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and you can use it in any kind of app that you want.
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And it's this kind of freedom and portability that makes me feel much, much better
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about automating in workflow rather than being constrained inside a single app
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and then wondering what's gonna happen. You can make the same argument. What
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happens if workflow goes away? Well then I go back to programming anyway.
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Yeah, because that was why I wanted to talk about this as well, because it's interesting to
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see how the workflow app is continuing to be really really actively developed.
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And I'm trying not to cast aspersions on the editorial,
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whatever, they're just different. Where it seems like editorial was
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receiving work but at a slower pace and workflow from what I can understand
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there is a team of people that work on this app. I'm interested to know,
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like I don't know if you know, the workflow developers, do they do this
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for a living? Yeah. Okay, but this isn't all they do though, right?
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They have like an app called Desk Connect or something as well? Yeah, but
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they're really focused on workflow I think. So that is, you know, it seems to be
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doing very well for them. I wish, you know, as with always these apps, I wish
00:54:16
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they would do something more that I could pay for again because you worry
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about these things going away. And workflow is like, you know, like with many
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of these things I use it very very lightly and I really wish that I used it
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more but it's for me it's interesting that like a couple of weeks ago I was
00:54:35
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talking to Brad at the pen addict and I wanted him to make a gif of something
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like you know it's just a way that a specific pen action moved and he was
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gonna put it on his site and I was like you should make a gif and he was like
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how should I do that? And I opened up the App Store to start searching for like an
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app to turn a video into a GIF and I was like no hang on a minute and then I just
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opened Workflow and built it for him. And I was like that feels good.
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Because I know how to use that app it's so simple for me to use and I
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every now and then I just have to remind myself like that is just something I can
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go into and I'm able to build and chain together some basic things. Like it was
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the same as the other day somebody sent me a Dropbox link of an mp3 file on iOS
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I was on iOS and like it's so frustrating that sometimes Dropbox links
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on iOS they just give you a player like you can't download them to your Dropbox
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right and it's like why does this do this so I opened workflow I threw the
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mp3 file in there and it uploaded to my Dropbox right like I built that to do
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that you know like take this mp3 file extract it upload it to Dropbox job done
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So it is extremely powerful and for me it's like this stuff exists on the Mac
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but I don't know how to do it right it's more complicated. Like
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Automator is way more complicated for me than what it is. Yes it is Myke.
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So it's really interesting that I can do this stuff more powerfully on iOS. Me, you
00:56:01
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know I'm sure other people can do it way easier on the Mac than I can on iOS but
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there's this tool out there that I can use for this stuff and it's really
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cool and I'm very happy that it exists and it's cool that it's getting continually updated and
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more powerful over time. That's what some people don't understand when they say "oh yeah look at
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the iPad now you're so cute you can make workflows to download files" well you know we've been doing
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that on the Mac for 20 years. That's true but these people are maybe missing the point that
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there's a sense of feeling, you know, free in a way, when you're able to... maybe you're
00:56:42
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in a rush, or you're talking to a friend and you gotta make a gif, or you gotta download
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a file, and you can do that wherever you are, on a phone, and you can use a 3G connection
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to work with the web, and you don't have to sit down at a desk and no programming, you
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can just drag and drop actions. And I can do it. My mom can do it, because I tried.
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A kid in China can do it, because it's available on the App Store. And it's this utility that
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has many, many possibilities. And I get the argument about, you know, you can do this
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on a Mac. But there's a feeling of, in a way, liberation in being able to do that on a mobile
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device. I truly believe that even if these apps go away, even if editorial
00:57:36
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eventually disappears, or Workflow, or you know, JAR or Pythonista, automation
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always finds a way. We've been here before. When there were no
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apps, we used URL schemes and JavaScript and bookmarks. It wasn't as good
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as it is today, but it got the job done, you know, for many people. And I believe that,
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you know, if things change, if Apple changes their mind, I don't think so, I think it'll
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only get better from here. But we can go back, we can figure out something else, and, you
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know, people who need to get work done on a computer, those who care about it tend to
00:58:20
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find a way to do it faster or more efficiently. So I'm really an optimist at heart, Myke,
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and I believe we'll always find a way. But what you mentioned about helping friends put
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together workflows, if you allow me here, I wanted to mention that I'm doing something
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similar for Collab Maxories members starting this week. There's going to be a workflow
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Corner in Maxories Weekly. People can ask me, because this always happens on Twitter via email,
00:58:54
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so members can ask me ideas for workflows or questions for inspiration for "How can I do
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this? Do you have any recommendation?" And I thought it was fun to put together a mix of
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the teach-a-tip and the weekly Q&A session. It's kind of like that. It's a combination of the two.
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It's gonna be fun. I got a few requests already to make workflows for other people to respond to questions.
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That's what I'm gonna do. It's gonna be fun.
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So it's gonna be available in issue 10, already 10 issues, crazy, of MaxAris Weekly.
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It's gonna be sent later this Friday,
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and actually more like Saturday morning, because you know, Myke, I'm gonna celebrate Thanksgiving this year.
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Yes, I am, finally. My dream is coming true.
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One of Silvia's teachers is from the US, is now living in America, and the entire dance school is
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throwing a Thanksgiving dinner to celebrate with the teacher and all of the students and, you know,
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boyfriends and girlfriends. That's gonna be amazing. Yeah, that's gonna be so nice. It's gonna be like 30 people. It's gonna be crazy.
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So where can people sign up for Club Max Stories Federico?
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clap.maccstories.net and you can find all the options there.
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And that's where you can get some artisanally crafted work clothes from Federica Vitigi.
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Yes, directly from the source. That's what's going on here, Myke.
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Okay Federica, I have an Apple Pencil now and I want to talk about it a little bit and talk about the fact that I wrote a review for it.
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I think that might be a little fun to explore, but before I do that let me just thank Squarespace for helping support this week's episode as well.
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relay FM Squarespace build it beautiful so I finally have an Apple pencil here
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hang on a second there we go that's the apple pencil. Just to prove that I
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have it I mean only the Apple pencil could make that sound of course I would
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like to just reiterate that Apple need to get their stuff together I had this
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this pencil came to me via Marco Arment from New York City. Wow. Yeah this is the
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only way they're still not in London I I cannot find them I've still been
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checking in with people and the Apple Store reps and it still seems like
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they're just not coming into the store. There might be some in certain places
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but they're not readily available. But Marco was able to get his hands on a
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couple of them and he very very kindly FedExed it to me and I've had it for
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about maybe four or five days something like that maybe a little bit longer
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close to a week now. And this was a product that I felt so strongly about
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that I wrote a review of it which is a very rare thing for me to do. A review
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with text? Actual written word. Wow okay. And I published this, well I gave this to
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Brad Dowdy of the pen addict to publish it because the pen addict felt like a
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really great avenue, a real great venue for me to express my thoughts about this
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because the way that I was coming to this and my feelings about the Apple
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Pencil is how is this as a handwriting tool? Because I do the
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Pen Addict podcast with Brad every week and we're very closely connected on this
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stuff and it felt to me like this was where it would go. Because I put a
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link in the post to an episode, episode 11 of The Pen Addict, where we spoke
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about digital tools like styluses and stuff like that and how we felt about
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them and in that episode we were talking about how we both really kind of would
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like the idea of being able to take real handwritten notes on the iPad. This
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episode was published on April 24 2012. So this is something I've wanted for a
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long time. And the Apple Pencil delivers. That's my overall
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feeling about this. I can take the iPad and the Apple Pencil, the iPad Pro and
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the Apple Pencil, and I can write on it. I can use it and I can write a
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sentence. If I take a piece of paper and a pen and write on that piece of paper,
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and I compare the two of them, they look the same. And that was what it always
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was. That was always the problem, is that previous styluses and previous apps, you
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would have to write in a very exaggerated way, right? You couldn't be
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precise about this stuff, at least in a way that made me happy. It was easier to
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be more precise with drawing tools, but handwriting is very, very precise
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movement required to correctly handwrite. Because you're writing very small and
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you're making very small and subtle movements but they make a massive
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difference and I have not found any product that has been able to do this
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before but the Apple Pencil 100% delivers on that and I really really
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couldn't be happier with this as a handwriting input tool.
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It was fascinating to read your review Myke, you sent me a copy before you
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published it. And you very kindly corrected my grammar.
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I got a script for that, Myke. But I also read it, and it was really a good one.
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And I think that you bring a unique perspective that a lot of people, including me, don't have.
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Because personally I don't use physical pens anymore.
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So I think it was a great idea to publish it on the Pen Addict.
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But I wanted to ask you about writing your review.
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Does this come from maybe a dissatisfaction with the launch reviews and the fact that
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no one, including me, focused on the kind of aspects that you wanted to cover or to
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know more about?
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The problem was twofold.
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Well, actually, let's say threefold.
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Increase the folds.
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One, I was dissatisfied, right?
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Because nobody wrote about this from a handwriting perspective.
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nobody did that. Two, I didn't really feel like anybody cares about it the way that
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I do and I didn't trust anybody else's opinion when I was asking them for how
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it was handwriting because nobody could, including yourself as much as I love you,
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could really give me an answer that I trusted. Because nobody really
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cares about this stuff like I do. I was dissatisfied. Just simply because
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there is just no one that, well there are, but you know, of the people that
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have got these things to review, everybody's talking about these things, how
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it is to draw, how the movement is, and they would say "oh yeah you can write" but
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it's like no, there are so many specific things about this that need to be right
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for me and one of the ones that I really focus on in the review is the weight.
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Now this is something that is so important in these types of tools and
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is very often just forgotten about but to people like me who care about these
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types of implements, you know I love pens and I love pencils, the weighting of
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these products is so important and the thing is like what Apple did was they
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put they put weights in this, I believe to serve two purposes. One is to stop the
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pencil from rolling away easily, the other is they are magnetic, right, so you
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you can lightly attach the pencil to the edge of the iPad.
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It is not a storing device, it is merely, I think,
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to just place it down while you type or something like that,
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which is great that it does that.
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But the way they have done this is key to me,
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that there is a weight that goes
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the whole way across the pencil.
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And it feels like the inside is solid to a point.
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And the reason that this is important
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is that when you hold it, it is balanced.
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It's not too heavy on one end or the other.
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That can be killer to a pen.
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Right, if it's too heavy,
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'cause there's a lot of stuff, like a fountain pen,
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all of the, I'll say mechanism, just to make it easy,
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all of the stuff like is right at the bottom,
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right at the edge of the pen, right?
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You got the nib there, you have what's called the feed,
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which delivers the ink to the nib, the cartridge,
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and everything is right at the front of the pen,
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you'd say like close to the nib.
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So to make a great pen, in a lot of instances,
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There has to be some some weighting that goes on the at the back of it or you need to make it shorter
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So it's more balanced, but because the Apple Pen is pencil is so large
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Right. It's very large in size which further kind of
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Enforces why they went with pencil name rather than pen
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They've done good work in making sure that the entire thing is well balanced
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And when you hold it in your hand
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It is a substantial thing which is also important because that adds a level of this is a quality product
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But it also just kind of it helps you control the pencil when you're making fine movement
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This is a I mean this is kind of like, you know, and the reason I wanted to write this is
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The iPad Pro so people look at the iPad Pro and they're like that is the Federico Vittucci product
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Mm-hmm. Right? That is for you. The Apple Pencil is mine. This is my product.
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I'm flattered, Myke, but I agree. I agree. It's definitely your kind of accessory, you know, it's just for you.
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And it's so different to have you write instead of, you know, podcasts.
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And I keep saying this, you should do more of this, Myke. And now I want to say publicly,
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I feel like there are certain things that you're really good at writing about.
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Can you describe the process for you to write a review?
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How many drafts did you make?
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Did you go back and forth with a version of the review or another version?
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What's your writing process, Myke?
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Did you use the pencil to handwrite the review?
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So this is the thing, right, is that I'm not an amazing writer, but I'm not a bad one.
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I feel like I can do stuff.
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No one is criticising my ability to write when they're reading this piece, which makes
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me feel good, right?
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It's like, great, no one's saying, "Dude, what are you even doing?
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You don't even make any sense."
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And a lot of this comes from, you know, and many people that I know that write do this,
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like I shared it with some friends and they corrected some things and highlighted some
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things for me, which is part of everybody's process I think. Because a lot of my friends
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are writers and I see lots of drafts, right? Like, just on a daily basis things just come
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away like, "Hey, what do you think of this?" It is a normal thing, right? But for me, the
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process of writing is not something that I specifically enjoy in the same way that you
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do, or Stephen does, or Jason does, right? Like, that is not a thing that I really love
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to do unless I have a really good reason. So like when the Apple Pencil was coming
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to me I was like it might be fun to write about this so I just had it in my
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mind and then after I started using it for a couple of days I was like no I
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have to. Like this is the thing this is a thing I want to write about because I
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want to increase the amount of people that could see my opinion on this. So I'll
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talk about it on the show it's like this is the third show this week where I'm
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talking about the Apple Pencil right and you know I believe that there is benefit
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to listening to all of them because I purposely talk about different things in
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each show but like I can talk about this until the cows come home I talk about it
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forever but I want to make sure that a lot of people see it and from from what
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Brad has told me a lot of people have seen yeah I seen the link everywhere
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Myke good job which makes me feel good as well but like so to go back to my
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process the first thing for me is I have to have a really good reason to start
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writing because I just don't enjoy it Federico. With the podcast thing it's
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so easy I can just talk. I just talk and people just follow me as I'm
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talking but with writing you've got to have like a real real heavy structure
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right the structure has to be a lot more rigid you have to really think about it
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in a different way. Like right now I just stumbled over my words a little bit but
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that's totally fine like in the podcast people don't care about it they do in
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the writings. You have to be more considerate about it. It's just not my
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approach for getting my opinions and thoughts out there on a usual
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day-to-day basis. So I struggle with it a little bit and it takes me some
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time. So the only way that I ever really write is when I have something that
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pushes me so much that it takes away the slog of it because it's something I
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really want to do. And I wrote this piece over two sessions of maybe
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an hour or so each and then just making some corrections after sending it to a
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couple of people. So it was probably maybe like three hours, two, three hours
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work because I was so pumped up to do it that I really just kind of just went
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with it. Because you know how we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago
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about when you just have that hook and then once you get the hook it just flows
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out of you. It happened to me as well. I knew what I was writing, right? And it
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was a simple hook. It was just like, compare this thing to the pens you use
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every day. And once that hit me, I just went for it. And one of the big
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parts for me was when I was talking about the weight of the device and the
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fact that it rolls, right? Like Apple have tried to implement the weights to stop
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it from rolling, but if you drop the pencil or like from like a height or
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if you give it any kind of speed or momentum, people don't like it when I
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talk about momentum. It can actually, the weights inside of it propel it forward
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in a way that you don't want because as it rolls over and over and over again it
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speeds up because it's got weight in it. And I was comparing that to Mark Newsom
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who works for Apple now designed a pen for Mont Blanc and his Mont Blanc pen
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was a cylindrical pen but the cap had a clip on it. And it was just interesting
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to me to be like I really wish that they would have put a clip on this thing. But
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But that is like a little thing that only I know because I care.
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Did you know that Marc Newsome designed a Mont Blanc fountain pen?
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No, but I do.
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And I think that that's interesting because he works for Apple's design team.
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So I expect he had a hand in this.
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So he might be the reason why there's weights in this thing in the first place.
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They didn't want to put a clip on it, but he was like, "But this thing's going to roll
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off the desk."
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You never know, but I find that sort of stuff interesting.
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It's like I found my hook and I started the writing process and I wrote the whole thing
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on my iPad Pro on the software keyboard in Byword, and I had the Notes app pinned to
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the side because I do have a lot of stuff now.
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When I get a new thing, whether it's a video game because we're talking about it on the
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show or I get a new app that I really like that is important or I get a new hardware
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device, I immediately open the Notes app, start a new heading, and just start taking
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I talk about what I think about the hardware, what I think about software integration.
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I take little notes of interesting things that come up.
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I do that now, which is kind of cool.
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I think that's probably what a lot of people like yourself do as well. I mean I
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do that for the shows but it was the same for the pencil like I just have a
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notes document that just has a bunch of different tidbits and thoughts and I use
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that as a way to help structure the the review that I wrote. Is there anything
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that you feel you didn't say or maybe that you didn't say quite right in the
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review and if you could go back you would say differently or maybe explain
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more? I don't think that I focused enough or gave enough detail about the
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apps that I was using. So like you know I spoke about a couple of
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different apps that I'd used like Notability and GoodNotes and there are
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some more out there like for actual handwriting like OneNote for example
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which I didn't really test and that was just a matter of timing. I wanted to get
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this thing out as soon as possible because you know the products been
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out for a couple of weeks now, so the timing is getting older and older for this review
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to be relevant.
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Yeah, it happens to me as well, when you have an idea or maybe a specific angle on a story
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and you feel like "I need to get this out as soon as possible because other people maybe
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are gonna do the same".
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And there's an argument to be made about if you're unique enough, if you are differentiated
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enough, maybe people are still gonna care about you, but if you want to put an
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article in front of as many people as possible, having it be unique and new
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you know, helps a lot. And I've seen, you know, a lot of people refer to your
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review as "the pen guy uses the pencil" and that's a unique angle that's
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that's like, you know, it catches the attention, you know, it's got a specific
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twist to it and you were definitely right in saying "I want to get this out
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as soon as possible so maybe I will skip some sections for the greater good basically.
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There's nothing to say that at some point, I mean I don't have a specific desire to do
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this right now, but I might follow up with more thoughts about the note taking apps.
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As more come on the market and more get updated to support the Pencil, because that's something
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that I'm going to keep playing with, so potentially in the future I might look at that again.
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But yeah, that's the one thing is I wished I kind of spent more time with third-party stuff.
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I spoke a lot about the sketching tools in the Notes app because they are the best right now.
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But it's not the best app for handwriting. Like for example, OneNote does OCR of what you write
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into it. Right? And so I think that into the future that's going to be amazing. But right now,
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they don't have any specific support for the pencil. Right? They just don't have that.
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OneNote? I think they do actually.
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No, in the app. I'm gonna open it right now.
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Word does, but this doesn't.
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So you can click on Draw.
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What's the difference?
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Well, so you click on Draw and you click Stylus and you have two options.
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Pencil by 53 or Other.
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And then it's like, how do you hold a pen?
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like they're trying to do their own palm rejection stuff. So it works but it's not complete I don't think.
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And it's different in Word?
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I haven't used Word for it in all honesty.
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Apparently a lot of people do.
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It seems to me right now that they are not using all of the tools that are available.
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I see. I've been playing with OneNote, you know.
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For features like the shared notebooks, there's still...
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The stuff that I keep in Evernote, OCR, I'm not sure I can do that in Notes.
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Do you know if you can do OCR in Notes? I don't think you can.
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in the Notes app? Yeah. No. I think if you send, maybe, I think I remember from my
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review, if you send a PDF that's already been OCR'd, you can search for the
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text inside the PDF, but definitely you cannot do that for images or handwriting,
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I think. Yeah, maybe. I could be wrong about the PDFs, by the way. That's just
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what I remember. So I'm also playing around with OneNote. It's a pretty
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cool app. It's got quite a few differences from Evernote, but it's cool.
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One of the things for me about OneNote is though it doesn't look like an iPad app.
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Yeah, it looks like a PC app. The ribbon toolbar at the top,
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it's very Microsoft-y. So I wanted to ask you to conclude this.
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Microsoft say on their blog that they do support the Apple Pencil with OneNote,
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but I don't know it feels a little bit weird to me maybe I need to try it out
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more maybe I've just not given it a good enough shake maybe it's one of those
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early support and there's going to be more features that's kind of how it
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feels so I mean I don't know I haven't given it a fair shake and I probably
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should and I definitely will but it's just one that I haven't gotten around to
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just yet because I don't know like I open one though and I'm like you just
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look weird to me. Like, the app just looks kind of weird. It's like, "Hello, Microsoft!"
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I don't know, it just looks like a PC app in an iPad.
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Yeah, that's also what I feel like. I wanted to ask you, Myke, I assume you're going to
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be continuing to use the Pencil on a daily basis now.
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So how do you use it, like, in practice? What do you do?
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So I have been taking notes on it, I like to do some doodles here and there, but one
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of the other things is when I'm using my iPad now for like sitting down and doing some work
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on it, I have the pencil in my hand and I use it to navigate iOS.
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Like every day?
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So you're using the iPad with a stylus?
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It's a pen tablet.
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It's a pen tablet.
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It works really well.
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And you're happy with it?
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So I will preface by saying that for my Mac I use a Wacom now.
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So I use pen input on my Mac.
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Yeah, I know, for the RSI stuff.
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And also now I actually really like it.
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But the precision that the Pencil gives in all applications is very beneficial.
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Text selection is far superior with the Pencil than trying to do it with my finger.
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I get the cursor where I want it to be, rather than like hitting it and then having to press
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and hold and then drag it again.
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And dragging the little blue bar thingamajigs is way easier with a pencil.
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But more than that, I like scrolling lists with it.
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I like just hitting small interface UI things with it.
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It just works for me, man.
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as a way to use this device it feels kind of natural to me. It's so big that
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like having this like pointing device kind of it works like this is why stylus
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exists styluses exist on these big devices in the first place like it's
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just beneficial to have this other little thing that interacts with the with
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the UI. I don't know, I really like it but I may be in a minority here but for
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me it just really works as a way to interact with the device. I'm sure
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that you do not do that.
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No, no Myke. Do you feel like you could, you would like to be able to
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attach the pencil magnetically to the iPad like as a
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permanent placement for the stylus? No, magnetics is a bad permanent
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placement because magnets fall off really easily, right? Like, you know,
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if something is magnetically attached and I put it in my bag and the
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pencil just snags on the edge of my bag the pencil gone forever, right? I want a case
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that I can just slip it into. You want an iPad case with a pencil
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holder. Yeah. Someone has to be making this much. Well I mean it would be very easy to
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do. Like so for example say a smart case you know how you kind of fold the smart case up
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and under? Yeah. Like one of those panels could have just a little slip thing that you
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pop it into. Yeah, yeah I guess. You know on the outside so like say the middle panel
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or whatever could have a little hole and you just slide the pencil into it because it would
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never get in the way. Imagine a case that's also a keyboard and it's got a case
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for the pencil. That would be killer. I mean people are making this stuff and I'm gonna
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keep my eye out for it. But you know this is just a product that just makes sense to
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me. These two things together, the iPad Pro and the pencil just make sense. It's such
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a big device that it feels like I can manipulate it in different ways and use it in different
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ways. Like for example we wanted to make a couple of changes to our website and we were
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trying to explain to our designer and developer the way that we wanted it to
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be done and we couldn't really explain it over the web so I took a screenshot
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of the page, open paper by 53 and just drew on the page what I wanted to be
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done. Yeah yeah that's very nice. Like that to me is like that is a device I
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want to use and I wouldn't have been able to do that as easily with my finger.
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Like I was able to draw little boxes right in the boxes what I wanted to be
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in there and I sent it to them and everybody knew what I liked. Yeah that's
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really nice. But that that type of stuff really works for me and it makes this it
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makes the iPad Pro for me more pro. Like a keyboard does for somebody like you
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and Jason, the pencil does for me. Because it just matches the way that I like to work.
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One thing that I tried out Federico that I thought was pretty interesting was I
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I downloaded SwiftKey and I was using their swipe keyboard.
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So I had the pencil in my hand and I was just,
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'cause if I'm holding the pencil like I was doing something
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I was writing, I was drawing, I was taking some notes,
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and I got a text message, and the pencil's already
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in my hand, so I found myself doing this,
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just tapping out a quick reply.
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Just tap out, send.
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And I thought SwiftKey would be way easier for this
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'cause you just swipe it out like you're drawing,
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and it was fantastic.
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But the problem is, then I have a third party keyboard on iOS which is hell.
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Which is just hell.
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So it's like, I would really like to be able to do this, Apple.
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You just need to get your stuff together about this one as well.
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They should have like a feature that
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when you're using the pencil and you get a text field,
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instead of showing the keyboard, they show you like a little text area and you can
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handwrite and it becomes text.
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Yeah, I would like that.
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I'm telling you man, this makes sense to me.
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This year I have been upset with a lot of things that Apple have done.
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They've had some really good stuff but they've had some real
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misses in places. Some of their 1.0 stuff has been pretty shaky.
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Like we had a lot of bad stuff to say about the Apple TV for example.
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Yeah. The watch.
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The watch, yeah. The watch had a bunch of things that were kind of weird.
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This product to me is the best, it is the best singular 1.0 product that Apple have released this year.
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It's fantastic. And the things that we thought were weird about it really make sense. Like the
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way that you primarily charge this thing is super weird. It is awkward, you have this pencil sticking
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out, it doesn't sit flush with the iPad connect like when you connect it. But when you're using
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this device, that 15 second charge, 30 minutes of use, is genius.
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Exactly, but let me ask you this, because I saw this comment. So in theory it looks weird, right?
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But what would have been a better solution?
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There isn't one. This is the best solution. This is genius. Because you're using the thing and it's like,
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"Oh no, the battery's dying. Let me just plug it in for 15 seconds."
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Yeah, exactly.
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That is not an issue and then if you want to charge it for longer you have a
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Specific reason you want to charge it to full like you could do a couple of things like I've done
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I was watching a movie. I was gonna watch a video on my iPad
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So I was like, oh so the iPads gonna be doing nothing for a bit the pencils
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We've do nothing for a bit. Let me plug it in for half an hour and then it's like 80% battery
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So that's great because I'm not touching it. Anyway, I mean, yeah, it's not elegant, but it's just doing its thing
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But if I needed to I've got an adapter in the box. I can just plug it in with the adapter like
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is inelegant
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But it is I prefer this to having to plug a lightning port into this every time like a lightning
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Connector into this every time I want to charge like if it had a female connector and I had to plug it in
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Yeah, that would be frustrating to me if I had to do that every time
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It may be inelegant, but it's practical and it works anywhere. So it's a trade-off, but it is a practical one
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It is a crazy sensible way of charging this thing. It makes sense to me as a thing to do.
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Because when pens run out of ink you have to fill them. And filling a fountain pen is messy.
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And it is a to do. You know you have to get the bottle of ink, you have to get some tissue paper to dry up.
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You know, and to blot out. You need some blotting paper so you can get the ink flowing again.
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When you want to sharpen a pencil, like a real pencil, you have to make a mess.
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and you're sticking this thing into a thing and you're sharpening it with a blade.
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The parallel of this makes perfect sense to me. It is inelegant when you need to refill
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this thing, but it's a short action and then you get back to work again.
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So my girlfriend asked me an interesting question the other day. If Apple were to improve the pencil,
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to improve the overall experience of using the pencil, new features, new something,
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What do they need to do? Do they need to improve the Pencil? Do they need to improve iOS?
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Do they need to change the iPad? And I didn't really have a single answer to that.
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You are the pen guy. What do you think could be improved and how could be improved?
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So I would like to see a way to store it.
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Because I am going to lose this. It is inevitable.
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And it's an expensive thing to lose. It's $100 to replace it.
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Right? Yeah. A couple of things I would like to see. The cap on the end that covers the lightning
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port is just dying to be lost. So I would like to see a retractable mechanism like a mechanical
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pencil. So for example there could be a button on the side of this thing and you press it and the
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lightning port pops out the top and there could be like a little trapdoor mechanism that keeps it
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hidden and keeps dust out of it. This exists on some pens. I would recommend that people if they
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wanted to take a look at what I'm imagining here. I'm going to put two pen links in the show notes,
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one is called the vanishing point and one is called the Lami dialogue 3. So I'm going to put
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two links in there. These are fountain pens that have mechanisms for retracting the nib and they
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both deal with this in interesting ways. I would like to see something like that for the lightning
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port so it is retracted in the pencil you press a button and it pops out so then you're not going
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gonna lose that little cap because that's gonna be super frustrating when I
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eventually lose that. I would like to see a clip on this or a flat edge so it
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doesn't roll away by design rather than just by you know we've designed this
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thing and then put weights in it. Like that was the way that they fixed the
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problem rather than in my opinion rather than designing it from ground up that
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way. They wanted a cylindrical thing which is very beautiful but I would like
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to see a clip on this or just something that stops it from rolling away. I think
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for some people this it's not very grippy. I think it's fine but it would
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maybe be nice if an apple could do this elegantly to have a rubberized grip or
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they could make this thing out of aluminium and they could have it knurled.
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And if you don't know what knurling is I'm gonna put a link in the show notes
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to a pen that Apple sell in their retail stores. So they worked with a company
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called Retro 51, one of my favorite pen making companies, to have something
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called the Hexamatic, which is a pen and pencil, and it has this grip on it which
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is in aluminium which is called knurling. And it's like this, they basically put
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like this grid in the aluminium which gives it a grip. And I would really love
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to see an aluminium version of the pencil. So that's kind of my what I
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wish for 2.0 but none of those things are desperately needed.
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And all of those things are about hardware not software.
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Which is interesting.
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Oh the software is perfect.
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Alright so what would I want? You want the obvious. I want this thing to be even more responsive.
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Because it's not 100% one-to-one.
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No, not yet.
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But it will be.
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we have to assume that it'll be eventually.
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But that requires Apple to increase the refresh rate of the iPad Pro's display again.
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So going from 240 FPS to 480 maybe, that's crazy.
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But that requires a major change, basically another display technology.
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Which I don't think could happen next year, I don't know.
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No, I think we're a way away. I think what will happen is it will get incrementally better over time.
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Uh-huh, yeah.
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That's my feeling about this.
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But you feel that the changes that you want to see in software besides accuracy and speed,
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you feel like Apple for this 1.0 kind of nailed the experience?
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They did a good enough job.
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Again, it is not perfect. I am still ahead of it.
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Right? Like when I'm writing fast, I am ahead.
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It is not completely keeping up with me.
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But it is not so far wrong that it's a problem.
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Does that make sense?
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Yeah, totally. Yeah.
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So, yeah, I am thrilled with this thing.
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Nice. That's what I wanted to... I was really looking forward to your perspective, Myke.
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And I feel like I want to see more from you on this going forward, you know?
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Like, using the pencil as a pen. I assume there's going to be a whole new category of apps coming.
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Yeah, I mean, it makes sense, right? People have done this for other Stylie on the iPad before,
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now it makes sense to have special pencil features and apps coming now that it's built into the iPad.
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One final question that I have for you.
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If Apple were to make the pencil available on the iPad Air 3 next year, would you go back?
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No, I love the iPad Pro. I love the format.
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I had already decided I wanted to stick with the iPad Pro before I got the pencil.
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And I feel like for this to be really useful, it needs to have a big screen so I have space to write out in full.
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I don't know, let me pick up my iPad Air here and just see what it feels like.
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It's gonna be fun.
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I feel like I haven't got enough space to rest my hand and rest on it at the same time.
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Like, I'm resting my hand on it and I'm like halfway into the screen where on the iPad Pro
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there's more space for me to like rest my hand and write with this thing.
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And it's more comfortable in that way. But the iPad Air feels ridiculous to me now.
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Yeah, I know. I know what you mean.
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I love this thing man. I've got to say, this is my... The iPad Pro and the Pencil is my favorite
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Apple device of the year, even including my incredible iMac that I love dearly.
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but the iPad Pro is something that I really love and the pencil just tops it off.
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They're a fantastic pairing and I'm excited to see where this technology goes and I really hope
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that Apple continue to advance their efforts in this realm. Very nice. Now it wraps up this week,
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Federico. Yeah, yeah. Good job, Myke. You got to talk about workflows and I got to talk about pens.
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How fantastic. Just perfect. Thank you, Michael. If you want to catch our show notes, which we've
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got some of the apps that we've been using as well as some of the pen options. If you
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didn't know what I meant about some of this stuff, go take a look at some of those pens
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and the pencils. I hope that it will kind of inform what I would like to see from this
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device. If you want to find those show notes, they're at relay.fm/connecting/67 or in your
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podcast app of choice. If you want to find us online, you can head on over to macstories.net
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to find Federico's work and he is @Vittucci on Twitter. I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E. And if
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If you want to see Steven's work, if you miss him because he's not here this week, go to
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512pixels.net and he is @ismh on Twitter.
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We won't actually all be together again next week.
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I'm gonna be away.
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Yeah, you're always going around Myke.
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I know, we're a fast moving bunch.
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So I will be back in a couple of weeks time, but enjoy the show as always next week.
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Federico and Steven I'm sure will knock it out of the park.
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I love listening to this show when I'm not on it.
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We make a good podcast Federico, did you know that?
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I believe we do, Myke.
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Some have been known to say that it's the world's greatest.
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We'll be back next time.
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Thanks so much to our sponsors this week, Squarespace, Fracture and Braintree.
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Until then, say goodbye Federico.