The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► we should briefly discuss that it is [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► earlier in the week we have some [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► interesting travel arrangements between [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► the three of us coming up in the next [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► couple of weeks and so we're trying to [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► get ahead of everything [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► additionally we should note that jon is [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► coming to us on assignment from an [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► undisclosed location [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► so if he sounds a little bit peculiar if [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► you hear slightly more background noise [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► unusual that's not his fault that's what [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► being on assignment is all about so [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► please bear with us [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► not much of an assignment my internet [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► went out of my house so i had to find [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► make other arrangements better that's [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► not my files box from i don't know how [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► many years ago 10 years ago 12 it's [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► really really old and I think it's [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► finally given up the ghost witches a [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► shame and of course it does it now at [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► the most inconvenient time we have to [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► podcast during this week and I'm about [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► to leave somewhere to complications so [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► what can you do [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► well you know things happen but we [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► appreciate you not only be going on [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► assignment like that but also admitting [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► to the fact that on assignment just [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► means you have internet problems i was [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► trying to build you up and make it [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► sounds super exciting and then you had [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► to go and ruin it [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► yeah i've also got my my little cup of [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► water on the same level as my macbook [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► air [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► I'm totally a channeling you you know I [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► hear that's a bad idea [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► I hear that's very dangerous again [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► limited options in my undisclosed well [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► Godspeed my god will be so funny if you [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► spilled it i really don't want you to [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► but I neither do i but but that would be [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► going I'm going to be pretty careful as [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► you can imagine my goodness alright so [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► we should start with some follow-up the [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► Internet has written to tell us about [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► the tesla model name a team now I didn't [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► really I knew this and I think you guys [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► did too but none of us our lease I [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► didn't really want to bring it up [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► because I didn't think it was relevant [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► and nobody was a hundred percent sure at [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► the time that we recorded whether this [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► was a clever like backronym or if this [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► is a good theory or what but the [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► Internet has written to tell us that the [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► intention for the tesla model names [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► which are sx3 and why the original [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► intention was for them to BS xe8 and y [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► which you jumble that around a little [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► bit that become [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► s.e.x y which is then the word sexy and [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► haha look at how clever Elon Musk is so [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► this is our just our way of [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► acknowledging that yes we are aware of [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► this and in fact we were aware of this [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► we just didn't really want to bring it [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► up and now we have been compelled to [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► bring it up it's actually not quite true [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► that one of us did bring it up and i [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► actually ended it out i thought it [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► sounded so juvenile and implausible I'm [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► like that's probably not true it i don't [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► want to have that in the show so i just [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► edited out it's so you actually did [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► cover it [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► you got to read more articles about it [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► on mosque maybe i don't i think a better [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► off not reading your articles already [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► asked [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► yeah I didn't go back and look at the [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► master plan thing but I'd that during [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► the presentation for the model 3 said [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► the master plan was three cars so at [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► best best case the original plan could [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► have been for ssex you know what the [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► four models now and the whole thing with [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► the why and what I don't know [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► anyway it sounds silly it is silly and [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► it doesn't work because it's called the [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► three and there's no why [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► and the ex came before the three it's [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► just a mess yeah but everyone thought [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► that we were not aware of this because [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► whether or not we brought it up on the [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► original version of the show wasn't on [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► the release version of marketers said [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► but we are aware I whatever i don't [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► think this is amusing as everyone else [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► does like I don't what did whatever it [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► doesn't really matter to me but since we [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► brought up the tehsil any other thoughts [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► on the test left for Marco same old [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► stuff still love it still love it still [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► awesome i really am just enjoying it a [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► ton [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► the thought of going back to a gas car [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► now or as underscore David Smith calls [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► and exploding dinosaur car I it just [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► seems like the past it seems like a step [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► back to think about it and there's no [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► gas car on the market that I'm [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► interested in [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► and by the way sorry underscore but i'm [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► not going to give you credit for the [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► exploding dinosaurs thing he claimed in [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► select the other day that he had coined [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► that term and i'm going to say no on [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► that one [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► have you found prior art I don't know [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► when he claims to have coined it but [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► I've heard for a long long time Google [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► searches for to go back pretty far he [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► could have coined it when he was 15 I [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► don't know but it's yeah that's pretty [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► old [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► I'm gonna do I hadn't heard that exact [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► combination of her Dino juice in [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► reference to regular traditional motor [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► oil instead of synthetic [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► but I had not heard this particular [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► combination that being said we will put [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► this link in the show notes this is [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► underscored David Smith's innards review [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► of the Tesla Model ass and it was really [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► great i really really enjoyed it and it [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► is exactly what it says on the tenets [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► his review from the Nerds perspective [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► tomorrow if you've been in the 3 GT [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► since you've owned the Tesla only to [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► move it in and out of the garage when [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► doing some driver arrangement and it's [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► only very briefly but that's fine it's [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► still a great car for what it is but it [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► like this is again this is why Tesla is [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► is so interesting because I really want [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► you drive an all-electric car it really [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► does make all other gas cars feel like [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► obsolete things in the past i just it [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► it's hard to describe it just it's just [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► a feeling that you get and it's the [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► average great i did I I do have a little [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► bit more experienced now with autopilot [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► with the automatic steering I did a [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► couple of highway driving the day and [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► and so I'd I used it for a lot of them I [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► I agree mostly with what underscore says [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► about it which is that it really is more [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► like an advanced cruise control [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► it's not the kind of thing where you [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► want to stop paying attention or even [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► can safely stop paying attention and I [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► would barely call itself driving because [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► basic things will throw it off like if [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► you're driving on the highway lane and [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► the land the lane you're in splits and [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► part of it was like the continue on this [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► road fork and the other part of it is [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► like the get ready to exit off somewhere [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► else or the highway spoken to whether it [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► chooses to follow the right side of the [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► split it if you're like if he should be [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► staying left is kind of inconsistent and [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► vague it and there were a couple of [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► times where it was steering me I thought [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► a little too close to like walls on the [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► side that barriers in the side and [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► everything so I got a little freaked out [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► a couple times so basically I wouldn't [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► necessarily say that this is like [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► massively useful you can't stop paying [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► attention you can even take your hands [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► off the wheel [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► you're basically left it loosely holding [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► the steering wheel because it turns for [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► you you know like buy it by the car so [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► you're basically left [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► loosely gripping the steering wheel [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► still holding your hands up at least one [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► hand and so it's kinda like what's [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► really the benefit of it if you have to [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► if you have to do all that so I don't [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► know I'm a little torn on the value of [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► autopilot and I i couldn't i can now see [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► firsthand just how incredibly [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► complicated the idea of self-driving [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► cars really is in practice if this is [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► like that the current generation of what [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► regular consumers can get today we still [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► have a lot of work to do and and you [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► know it is very impressive compared to [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► nothing but is really still it is very [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► early days and i would not expect fully [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► autonomous self driving cars in the next [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► few years I i think where I think we're [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► further away on that then a lot of [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► people might think just because driving [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► is so complicated and it these are such [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► hard AI problems and such hard technical [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► problems to solve that and then after [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► that we'll be such a hard human problem [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► to solve that I think we're still a [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► while off on that but I do think we're [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► heading that direction they just a [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► question of like you know how quickly [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► and maybe not so quickly [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► actually i want to i agree with Margo [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► and I want to talk a little bit about [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► self-driving cars actually put that in [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► the topic list is something I want to [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► talk about for a while because of all [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► the press with the Tesla stuff but i [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► just want to chime in briefly and say [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► that i found a reference to explain [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► dinosaurs from 10 years ago more than 10 [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► years ago so we're against underscore i [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► just found a forum post quoting [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► something is a December 27 2005 someone [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► saying just remember that your car is [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► propelled by exploiting dinosaurs [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► anyway it's a really old saying again [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► underscores alive in 2005 we did he [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► never claimed when he pointed but i'm [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► going to say no anyway I'm gonna say yes [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► I think he's in his thirties like us so [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► you know pretty sure would like to hide [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► I you gotta keep going backwards and [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► Google keep finding it anyway 2005 is [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► the earliest i found an end two seconds [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► with the clear down here so with the [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► self-driving car things you hear about [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► it because the test autopilot you hear [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► about it because all the other car [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► makers that are showing their [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► self-driving cars just today I saw a [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► news story about the agency is about the [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► convoy of self driving trucks that went [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► across Europe [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► no I saw the headline but I didn't see [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► anything else had like a human-powered [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► one in the front and then like two or [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► three days like big you know semi-trucks [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► two or three behind [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► following along looks terrifying i think [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► the press and the public has and even [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► car magazines have really jumped the gun [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► on this one because it's clear we have a [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► nice progression from cruise control to [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► radar cruise control two things that [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► will try to steer for you and so on and [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► so forth but to make that final leap to [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► actual self-driving cars with you know [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► with all the sci-fi pictures when you [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► see someone like reading a magazine all [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► there in the car i think we are a ways [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► away from that and especially since the [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► most successful version of this the idea [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► which i think is the google self-driving [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► cars that tool around their campus and [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► have been driving you know if the [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► hundreds of thousands of miles like [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► that's that's the one that the press [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► stories loved the site like however many [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► thousands upon thousands of miles Google [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► self-driving cars have driven just you [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► know I never had like you know one [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► accident or something that was a human's [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► fault or whatever like that the amazing [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► driving record in the amazing technology [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► like wow well if that's happening in the [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► magical Silicon Valley surely it will [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► only be a couple of years before I'm [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► able to go to work in a self-driving car [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► and it just comes down to the you know [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► the difference between like the [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► conditions and the way the the thing [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► about so the Google self-driving cars [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► they mapped out every inch of this [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► friggin roads and the cars no not just [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► which you know where the roads are like [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► a GPS style map but i think they have [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► like 3d terrain maps of every inch of [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► the roads may have you know a lack of [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► weather and they have lines painted on [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► the road and I have other things that [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► you know it'sit's california for crying [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► out the cars on vacation [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► yeah people don't live in those [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► environments and google has not map 3d [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► laser mapped every inch of pavement [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► everywhere and another point of cars [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► that can drive it out their markers got [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► one now we'll stay in the lane as much [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► as you can if you can figure out where [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► the lanes are and you know there's not [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► snow covering the road and always that [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► you know all these other factors but he [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► can't read a magazine because it's not [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► doesn't hasn't gone that last that the [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► last little bit right and last little [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► bit of killer you can make increasingly [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► sophisticated it's essentially smart [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► cruise control but to get over that [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► hurdle where you don't have to pay [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► attention anymore in the same way you [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► don't have to pay attention when you [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► take the train [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► because you're not driving the train [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► right that is going to take a really [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► really long time and i'm going to say [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► probably not within our lifetimes on [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► existing roads [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► Wow because every special road sure [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► especially mapped roads may be but like [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► when I mean existing roads in like a [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► road that a human could drive on right [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► now that's not specially prepared that [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► has been carefully mapped out that [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► doesn't have things embedded in the [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► pavement like all those things you can [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► do like you know it's not saying you [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► can't have this man they could they [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► could do that to every single Road in [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► all of Manhattan and then you just know [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► that if you go to Manhattan there's no [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► more taxes you just get there you go [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► self-driving car because it's a grid and [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► I can do whatever they want and they can [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► make it work right in limited [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► circumstances it can work but in general [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► I think it's so far off because it's [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► just so much harder problem than winning [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► jeopardy or playing go or anything like [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► that because the possible inputs are so [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► incredibly varied humans have difficulty [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► sometimes finding where the whole road [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► is and we're pretty good at looking at [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► the world and figure out what the hell [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► it is we're looking at so i think full [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► self-driving cars in the way that people [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► imagine it is really really far [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► yeah I don't think it's that far off i [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► would say most likely within our [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► lifetimes but you know I think most [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► people are thinking this is going to [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► come in like 25 years and I think it's [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► probably more like 10 to 20 it's hard [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► for me to say more than 20,000 our [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► lifetimes like I think we'd be pretty [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► darn old because you need you just need [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► so much and it's not just the tech like [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► even if the tech gets there in 25-30 [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► years then you need all the legislation [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► and then you need all the other like I [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► think it'll be fine that like it will [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► have arrived as far as people are [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► concerned if it works in limited [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► circumstances so if all London a [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► self-driving cars would like see you [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► didn't successful having cars are going [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► to come but they're totally there's like [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► sure they're in all of London there in [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► Manhattan they're over there in disney [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► parks like there were there wherever [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► there are there all over Silicon Valley [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► but I mean like a car dropping on any [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► road the United States and it drives and [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► is able to successfully get from point A [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► to point B and maybe you don't need to [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► get all the way there but i think people [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► envision a such a quick ramp from [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► controlled circumstances laser map roads [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► and then fast forward a couple years and [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► any road [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► and I just don't see that happening just [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► because the like we did you know I I [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► don't think we have the we don't have [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► the know-how the technology for that yet [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► I mean just look at those darker [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► challenges where they have those [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► vehicles try today they've come so far [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► but it's it's kind of like a I wear when [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► I was a kid it was like computers can [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► answer simple questions now and maybe [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► they're about as smart as a cockroach [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► and if we extrapolate from current [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► trends by the time you're an adult [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► computers will be super geniuses and [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► they're not AI is really really hard and [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► we don't understand even our own minds [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► work and it's not easy to you know that [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► it's unlike all the other situations [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► like games like chess and go in jeopardy [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► it's not a controlled situation is the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► real world and our problem is [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► synthesizing sensor input and processing [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► it and we don't even know her own [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► freakin brains do that we don't even [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► have a good model to work off of so what [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► should we were working off our brain now [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► should we do be doing something [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► different we're trying the best we can [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► but i think it's much harder problem [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► then the news media thinks it is do we [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► know when the bear with me for a second [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► here do we know when the Tesla [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► supercharger started getting installed [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► that was like couple years ago right [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► maybe three or four years ago right so [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► one of the things that I've always [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► thought about electric cars being [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► completely not feasible is that how [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► could they possibly create enough [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► charging stations to make it feasible [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► and one company as of the time record is [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► claiming 613 supercharger stations and [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► i'm looking at this map and it's all [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► over the United States there's some in [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► Europe and Asia as well and they're sick [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► 3628 superchargers across those 613 [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► stations and so this is surely not the [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► coverage that gas stations have but it [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► is a tremendous amount of coverage in [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► the United States which is not a small [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► country and so I think about that i [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► think well they really did kind of fix [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► this problem and then I think to myself [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► well let's assume for a second that in [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► order to get totally self-driving cars [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► you need to put you know sensors on the [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► on the sides of each Road in in between [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► each lane or what have you and [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► admittedly there are many gazillions of [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► miles of roadway in the United States [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► and but what if we just said hey on any [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► you know federally-recognized interstate [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► we're going to put the sensors necessary [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► to get self-driving cars on there if we [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► can put a whole bunch of superchargers [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► out there in the span of about four [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► years since the model ass [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► we might be able to do this thing that I [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► sitting here now that seems just [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► completely implausible but I thought [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► that the superchargers or what is now [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► the superchargers was implausible and [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► that seems to Fort alright so you never [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► really know [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► well I think you're overestimating the [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► superchargers because first off you [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► think the supercharger map looks [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► impressive until you were to put it [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► side-by-side with the map of gas [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► stations so sure you get a certain [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► amount of time and gas stations you felt [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► pretty quick [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► gas stations you're not there at the [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► pump for very long right so do the math [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► on that you know if we convert all the [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► cars to electric coming out is there [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► enough superchargers to support the [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► existing testicles [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► maybe but charging the test was takes so [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► much longer that you would need more [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► supercharging stations not fewer to [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► support the number of cars if they were [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► eventually to become all-electric so I'm [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► not saying it's you know it's an amazing [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► feat and surely enough for long car [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► trips for the number of people who have [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► testicles right now right but it's so [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► far from you know that and that's a [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► fairly easy problem the grand scheme [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► it's just keep making more of these [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► stations and you keep selling more of [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► the cars and the corresponding stations [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► and you know it should all work out so I [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► think it's totally feasible as would be [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► putting things in the roads are doing [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► what you need to do especially limited [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► scope just New York City just london or [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► you know regions of the country [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► especially ones with not a lot of [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► weather but then you look at how the [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► United States government spends money [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► and we can't even keep our bridges from [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► falling into rivers can can't fill the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► potholes that are covering every street [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► you know so it had in the past couple [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► decades the US has not been really good [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► about infrastructure spending so that is [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► definitely technology is a lot of people [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► in the chat room trying to send me [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► videos ever seen this video have you [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► seen this video like things that look [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► impressive and controlled circumstances [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► don't necessarily translate to the the [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► test of drop his car onto any road in [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► the entire United States and it can [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► drive you to anywhere else in the United [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► States it's it's a very complicated [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► problem [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► well the thing is to like these are [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► these are very infrastructure heavy [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► problems if you get if you start getting [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► into like you know fixing the roads are [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► improving the roads to be more friendly [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► toward self-driving like [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► like the reason why superchargers could [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► get built and cover a big portion of the [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► country and useful way is because you [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► don't have to put one under every square [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► foot of road you can kind of cherry pick [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► where they go and they serve wide areas [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► whereas anything that involves modifying [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► the roads themselves or just even as [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► Johnson they just bring the roads up to [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► standards of like basic maintenance and [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► like painting lines on them [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► yeah looks like the lines on the road we [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► tend to paint those so much in this [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► country [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► exactly so like basic things like that [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► it's easy it you wouldn't need to put [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► advanced sensors and everything on the [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► highways because the highways are easy [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► for self-driving cars to navigate [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► I mean my test can do that you know [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► already fairly well like the highway is [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► the easy part [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► the hard part is all the other roads and [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► you know it sounds like it's there it's [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► such a hard problem because the roads [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► that cover our country and other [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► countries but the cars in particular [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► especially when you're recording where [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► me and John live in the northeast where [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► weather is severe [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► everything is ancient and there's no [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► budget to fix anything it's just a [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► really hard problem that like the roads [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► that I encounter everyday are filled [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► with like weird little edge cases and [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► weird conditions and not ideal [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► conditions unmaintained portions or like [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► vague things like am I supposed to be in [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► that Lane to go over there or not like [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► it's hard even for humans to navigate [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► and so to make AI algorithms to to [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► navigate these things is just really [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► hard and I do think you know similar i [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► do think it is possible i do think that [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► we are making progress in that area and [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► I do expect to see meaningful progress [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► in that area within 10 to 20 years but I [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► i really think it's not as close as a [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► lot of people think just because it is [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► so hard and that last mile of like you [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► know making sure we can go on [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► ninety-five percent of the roads is a [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► heck of a lot easier than making sure [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► that you can self drive on a hundred [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► percent of the roads and then parking [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► lots think of parking for cryin out loud [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► how to find your way into the parking [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► lots of which way you go in and out [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► like you know like there's a little [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► miniature road signs that aren't real [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► road signs and the lines they paint in [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► parking lots are almost meaningless and [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► where do you go and are you know it's [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► not that they would suddenly kill people [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► in parking lots that would be more like [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► electric car gridlock as they all are [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► paralyzed by indecision about what the [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► hell that's supposed to do we're [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► supposed to go and thinking they arrive [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► like this again what I'm thinking of is [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► not the situation where the car can do [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► the driving for you for a certain [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► portion of time but the idea where you [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► don't have to have a driver's license to [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► get from place to place in a car you [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► don't need a driver's license to get on [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► the subway and get places right that's [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► public transportation that's truly [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► driverless as far as the passenger is [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► concerned our bus or whatever greater [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► there's somebody driving those foot in [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► most cases are not always in trains [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► because you can make trains driverless a [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► lot easier because their tracks and [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► everything but it's like to get to get [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► the big winner of saying we are a [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► society where I just types tab something [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► on my phone and a magic personal asst [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► the vehicle comes and I get in and the [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► vehicle doesn't care whether have a [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► license or have ever driven that just [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► seems so close to some people like 35 [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► years away surely and it just it just [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► seems so incredibly far away to me [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► because think of it you can do the [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► extrapolation thing like in the sci-fi [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► movies where they'll have a premise for [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► a sci-fi movie that's for the purposes [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► of the movie like this thing is possible [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► but they never say well if it's possible [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► to do this say making you know robots [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► look just like humans that fool humans [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► if it's possible to do that what else [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► must be possible given that technology [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► like what does it mean to have that talk [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► technology so soft driving cars if [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► you're able to get a car that can drive [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► anywhere as well as it is a pretty good [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► human what else month that must that [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► mean in terms of the technology [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► available like would be slavery to make [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► that kind of intelligence drive a car if [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► it truly is able to is their way to do [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► that without being conscious and [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► intelligent as as a human and ok gray [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► understand like it's anyway [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► don't hold your breath but you can have [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► really awesome cruise control and can [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► maybe take your hands off the wheel on [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► the highway for a long time and maybe if [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► you live in a major metropolitan area or [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► silicon valley you don't have to have a [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► license at all within similar city [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► limits all perfectly possible but i [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► would still bother to get your license [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► because it will give you more freedom [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► then the alternative until then i can [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► temporarily take my hands off the wheel [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► for three seconds while straight highway [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► 21 kappa tightly capped drink you know [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► you say that but that is a that is a [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► pretty nice change yeah I definitely [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► done these squeeze that's that I've done [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► squeezed between your thighs and hope [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► you don't spill approach numerous times [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► and a given my history I can tell you [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► about how well that works out really [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► quick to finish our follow-up an [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► anonymous applecare senior advisor wrote [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► in to tell us that applecare uses text [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► expander was that was the impression I [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► got from this email that's what you guys [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► have gotten from it right [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► it seemed like it was it was maybe not [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► necessarily the official tool they use [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► but that it was widely used and so that [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► means that comes up as in terms of [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► enterprise software people using a big [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► call center so on and so forth and the [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► other point this anonymous person [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► brought up was the applecare prohibits [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► the use of any third party sync service [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► that could contain confidential or [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► internal or customer data now I don't [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► textexpander sync service that qualifies [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► for it was obviously customer data [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► wouldn't be in there but maybe internal [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► data like maybe part of your little [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► snippets are contained internal [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► proprietary data or whatever this is the [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► tricky bit with enterprise software that [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► a lot of people drop like texts and [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► everyone's to go enterprise one of the [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► first hurdle is going to be that [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► Enterprise IT people always want to have [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► everything in-house so I want to run my [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► own sync server and all by piece of [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► hardware and i'll put a server on it but [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► I don't want my company's data going to [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► your server sex offender because i have [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► no idea what's going on your service and [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► for compliance reasons and so on and so [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► forth [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► it has to all be internal so text [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► expander will you please sell me an [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► internal TextExpander sync server that i [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► will run and text vendor as far as I [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► know has not gone that far down the [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► enterprise rabbit hole but if they want [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► to keep customers like applecare and [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► they're going to force everyone to use [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► thinking because that's their your [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► premier feature for enterprises they may [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► have a man up having to do that [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► our first concert tonight is hover hover [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► is the best way to buy and manage domain [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► names to hover com and use promo code [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► alexa play fish for ten percent off your [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► first purchase [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► oh when you have a great idea you want a [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► great domain name its catchy and [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► memorable however gives you exactly what [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► you need to find the perfect domain for [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► your ideas you can get started actually [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► working on it never gives you easy to [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► use powerful tools to buy a managed [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► domain so anyone can do it and support [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► he was always ready if you need a hand [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► however known for their no wait no hold [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► no transfer phone service so when you [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► call a real live human being is ready to [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► help plus the great online tutorials and [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► email support if you hate the phone like [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► me now less than five minutes you can [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► find the domain name you want and get it [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► up and running with hover all you have [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► to do a search for a few keywords and [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► however will show you the best available [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► options across all the crazy domain [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► extensions out there now if you forever [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► remain anywhere else you know that this [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► can be a very unpleasant experience at [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► other registrar's to make it very [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► complicated or it may be a little bit [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► scary feeling and you just want to get [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► what you need and get out of there may [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► be no they try to upsell you with crazy [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► stuff that you're not really sure that [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► you need [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► they make you pay extra for things to [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► upgrade that you think should come for [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► free things like who is privacy [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► however does not believe any of this [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► stuff they don't believe in heavy-handed [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► upselling and they don't believe in [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► crappy designer making you feel scammed [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► instead of charging you for something [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► that should be their biggest include [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► everything you need with your domain [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► name you get a smart control panel who [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► is privacy always for free and they even [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► offer a free Valley transfer service you [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► can skip the hassle trying to move a [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► whole bunch of domains over there one [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► that you have a whole bunch they will [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► actually if you want to they will take [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► your login information for your old [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► record store and do the entire transfer [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► for you and make sure that they get all [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► the dns and everything so you don't [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► break actually break anything so check [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► it out today [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► hover is great they have email hosting [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► if you need that it you know very [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► reasonable prices they are twenty bucks [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► a year into a fully functional email [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► account and remain with 10 gigs of [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► storage you can pay more 29 bucks year [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► for the big mailbox which is a full [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► terabyte of storage and if you want to [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► email forwarding just five bucks a year [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► check this out today go to hover com and [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► use promo code alexa play fish for ten [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► percent off your first purchase thanks a [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► lot to hover for sponsoring our show you [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► are the trolius of all the trolls [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► by the way we're getting some real-time [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► follow-up from several different sources [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► that says apple does have a site license [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► for text expander so it is at least [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► partially blessed from what I'm told [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► in any case market wanted to tell us in [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► your quest for more home automation or [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► excuses to get more home automation sort [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► of things tell us about your [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► surveillance camera what is surveilling [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► exactly ducks [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► ok anything else you'd like to add is so [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► last year we had a a duck that was [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► laying eggs and nesting in our backyard [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► and then the ducklings all hatched and [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► they all got to the nearby hudson river [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► and we actually found a few months later [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► we finally kind of where they lived it [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► sits near park that we sometimes go to [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► and yeah they all seem to survive and [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► pretty great so that came back this year [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► to lay eggs in the same spot again I [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► guess this is a thing ducks do once they [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► find a good spot they'll come back the [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► next year and lay more eggs there i [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► ordered a whole bunch of home camera [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► equipment IP camera equipment to watch [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► the duck and to check on the duck and [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► then if I can figure out a decent way to [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► do it to possibly live broadcast the [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► duck [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► this is kind of another part of of my [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► recent discovery that everything outside [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► the apple ecosystem costs nothing and [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► technology is amazing [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► these days it's like tons of [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► ridiculously like capable cheap hardware [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► out there to do things that used to be [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► really complicated or impossible so the [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► way i have this working [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► first of all my my Wi-Fi doesn't reach [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► the backyard very well so the first [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► thing i did was i ordered another [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► wireless access point from ubiquity and [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► i don't think i've talked about my [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► ubiquity gear on the show yet have I not [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► to my recollection so a couple of maybe [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► a year and a half two years ago and have [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► something like that my apple airport [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► extreme started becoming flaky and this [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► is a this makes me said the airport [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► extreme is used to be rock-solid they [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► used to be like the best route as you [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► can get and these days [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► not only have they fallen behind on a [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► lot of the features and at then they [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► were never amazing on the features but [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► they were at least i think more [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► competitive in the past but also i've [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► had [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► only mixed success with their [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► reliability in the last maybe five years [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► or so you're talking about the one that [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► you gave me using that's the one you [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► have trouble i think so great [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► yep I mean well you know so far I'd say [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► that but like my previous flat one last [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► a really long time and I think what [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► turned out to be wrong with it was the [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► stupid power brick which really isn't [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► the fault of the overall thing and it [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► wasn't plugged into a surge strip so [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► it's probably nobody's also i I've had [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► very good luck with with the airports [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► and the one that you gave me [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► so if I'm gonna have a long enough to [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► say one way or the other but so far it's [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► been just as solid as all the other ones [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► and i remember when you you're talking [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► about getting this ubiquity gear Michael [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► marcos found some way to spend more [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► money on computer equipment is working [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► surprise there but actually less money [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► out there like that maybe um and I'm [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► interested in a kind of but there I [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► think the reason I keep coming back to [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► the airport ones is because of all the [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► integrations that I have with them and [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► every time I look up how to do those [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► integration with other things it just [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► seems ever so slightly more complicated [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► not much more complicated like oh and [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► you know I want to hook my printer up to [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► it to USB this one doesn't have a USB [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► port but you can buy little dongle five [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► dollars that lets you do that i'm sure [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► that will work fine but if it doesn't [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► you might have tried different dongle [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► and you know does how do i connect to it [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► don't have to come bring up somewhere [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► web UI or to get to use the shiny apple [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► airport whatever thing so i'm i'm still [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► mostly open to the idea of sort of more [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► reliable enterprise callable or router [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► type equipment but i guess i need the [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► apple stuff to be crappier first I think [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► it really started to really start [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► flaking out on me but so far I think I'd [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► like three of them in my life and [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► they've all lasted just until they [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► really need to be replaced anyway and so [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► far you told them pretty well tow good [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► enjoy it with its fan silent silent fan [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► or I'm old enough now that I can hear it [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► let the eggs either way you win but yeah [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► so the thing with you here is that first [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► of all a huge warning there's a bit of a [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► learning curve and there's some weird [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► java based software that you have to [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► install when you first set up a whack a [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► wireless access point not the router the [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► router come out cannot be done web-based [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► but there [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► matter does not include whack these are [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► separate components like they originally [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► long long ago used to always be so [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► ubiquity stuff [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► the components are all separate and [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► there is a learning curve i would not [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► recommend that you like you know tell [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► your non-technical friends or relatives [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► i'll just go out and buy the ubiquity [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► gear no don't do that but if you listen [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► to the show you could probably handle it [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► you probably figure it out [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► i I didn't have any trouble with it and [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► I'm not you know I'm a computer nerd I'm [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► a programmer but I'm not like a [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► networking gear expert but a lot of [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► things that can do that i just don't [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► enable and don't do the the java [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► software that manages the installation [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► of the laps if you don't do a lot of [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► crazy features you don't need to run [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► that software continuously where you're [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► running it [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► do you run it on where is it where they [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► run continuously on one of your clients [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► on the router on the access point [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► understand where it's running any [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► computer so it can rate you know it's [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► java-based there's a mac version so when [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► i installed i have on my laptop so i [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► want to put job my desktops but so i [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► have it on my laptop where I put [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► software that i don't but i don't [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► necessarily trust like crazy chinese [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► jailbreak apps and Java which are [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► categorized together at and anyway some [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► people running on like linux cloud [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► service you can like running online [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► interpreters and you have to be in your [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► network necessarily i'd i haven't gotten [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► that advance with it but it doesn't [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► really matter anyway so you set this [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► stuff up and once you set it up you [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► basically don't have to touch it and [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► also once you set it up things like [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► because of this dot camera setup thing i [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► wanted to expand my Wi-Fi coverage to [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► more than one access point and apple [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► made this easy in the past to you know I [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► recognize that but ubiquity makes it it [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► possibly even easier that you basically [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► plug in the access point you just add it [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► to the network with like two clicks and [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► then it's just part of the network and [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► it brought and so any changes you make [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► to the Wi-Fi network to if you want to [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► change the password anything it [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► propagates like it its you just have to [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► manage one network and it applies to all [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► the access points are on it really [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► advanced features here [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► it features that i am not even qualified [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► to describe because i said i'm not a pro [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► network engineer so I i don't i don't [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► know everything these things can do I [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► don't appreciate everything these things [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► can do but i do know that they compete [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► eat apparently very well against [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► high-end cisco routers and and other [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► like you know super high-end [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► enterprise-grade stuff but it's really [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► surprisingly cheap so the a Wi-Fi access [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► point is usually around a hundred bucks [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► and when you get it you know in that [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► range and the the router is you know [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► just as dedicated little box that [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► doesn't have wireless itself it's just a [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► router the router that i get it i have [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► the the ER light 3-2 edge router like [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► three and i think that's like 80 or 90 [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► bucks so if you're looking at total of [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► about 200 bucks to get a router plus a [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► decent access point and it is just [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► awesome it is solid the gear so far I've [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► had no problems I've never had to reboot [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► I have once or twice rebooted it because [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► I thought it might be the cause of a [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► problem and that but it just wasn't like [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► I recruited and it came back up and [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► problem-solving ago [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► that's right it was the finest problem [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► so it's so I there has literally never [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► been a problem that i have traced to [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► this routing gear and it's never been a [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► problem that rebooting fixed its it is [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► just rock solid and i know i'm not the [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► only one because you look at the reviews [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► of the all the ubiquity gear and it also [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► it's all just stellar [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► people love this stuff and the only [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► complaint people have is learning curve [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► and that java software to set up the [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► lapse and that's it [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► if you can get past those things is just [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► awesome how many how many different [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► ports on the dresser [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► it's it's not really made to be like a [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► built-in switch like because it's like [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► every it's like if you ever set up like [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► a pfsense router and put that like I [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► think it has three or four ports on it [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► maybe three but they're all separate [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► interfaces so you could like have like [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► two inbound connections and you can [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► bridge them or you couldn't you can load [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► balance between them instead you can [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► configure it how you want but for most [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► cases you're only going to want to use [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► one in one out and then you and I have a [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► separate little HP switch next to it [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► that's the other category of software or [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► hardware that I have you talked about [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► USB hubs and now it's hard to find good [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► ones or like driving closures or [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► whatever my latest not a white whale are [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► my latest the thing to battle is network [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► switches XP done i'm telling HP switches [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► are awesome but do they make a my big [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► thing is heat and power supply noise [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► blade or not the 1i have a feeling about [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► the show it's a little tiny 8-port [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► gigabit one it is not like a full-size [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► one I don't think there's any fan and I [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► don't think there's room for one the HP [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► procurve 1410 dash 8 g now that I [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► switched all the stuff like maybe a year [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► and a half two years ago and I've really [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► just had zero problems with the network [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► since then and I i really cannot [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► recommend ubiquity gear enough if you [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► are a geek enough to be willing to set [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► that up so you we somehow ended up on [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► this in talking about the camera so you [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► said you had started looking into it was [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► you we we had you had started looking [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► into broadcasting the dock to the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► internet and you decided to abandon that [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► or at least temporarily abandon it [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► so you know I wanted to have some kind [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► of live webcam kind of thing IP camera [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► kind of thing looking at the duck nest [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► area both for potential future live [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► broadcasting to nobody in the internet [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► and also just for like me and Tiffany [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► like you know take our phones and check [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► out his is the dark outside the Ducks [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► outside you know maybe we won't let the [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► dog out yet or we just want to know like [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► when it has the dot-com last night when [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► was the duck here [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► did any raccoons try to eat the duck so [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► I set up this camera and you know you on [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► amazon you try to find an IP camera and [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► there's just a billion of them [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► hi it is really hard to figure out like [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► what makes a good IP camera so the one I [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► got is the tree is a try vision on [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► amazon it was very highly rated it's [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► okay they the colors on it suck but the [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► resolution is decent has built in Wi-Fi [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► built-in web server and all this crazy [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► garbage like ftp server and SD card slot [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► and you can upload to an ass if you want [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► to its it just crazy and it's of course [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► outdoor capable and what makes you think [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► super easy is not only does it support [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► Wi-Fi which is one reason i was trying [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► to sell my Wi-Fi network bye-bye more [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► ubiquity here looks as well how about a [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► topic the person it is [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► yes yes yes that's right it's a look at [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► one of these APIs cameras it has it has [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► Wi-Fi most of them to only [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► yep how everything over ethernet or even [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► worse just ethernet and power separately [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► but this one has all those things you [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► can do PE you can and power reason it is [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► also very awesome you have internet in [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► and you have a little AC adapter and [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► then out you have just ethernet with [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► power on the unused pins of it it allows [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► you to run just one cable to things that [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► need that can take the power reason it [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► and then that can then supply power and [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► data to them so it's often used for IP [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► cameras also often used for wireless [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► access points and all the biggies [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► wireless access points do this and they [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► usually come with a little injector that [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► you need you can have a wireless access [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► point somewhere in a ceiling or up on a [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► wall wherever and you only run one cable [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► and that cable can be as long or short [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► as an ethernet cable needs to be and can [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► be so you can have a very long cable [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► that you just have one thing to and you [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► have power and data in that one cable [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► it's great so that's right it's with the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► with the camera i originally ran over [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► Wi-Fi [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► it was kind of cutting out and wasn't [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► correct quite great deal i didn't have [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► the second access point yet it was it [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► was there was a shipping delay on it [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► because everybody's buying these things [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► all at once so I ran power reset to it [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► using a powerline adapter kit to get [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► outside in the first place so this is [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► this is all this massive pile of complex [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► technology home powerline networking [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► running into a power of power over [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► ethernet injector that spans ethernet [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► cable across my patio that into a camera [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► that is showing a picture of my dog live [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► to my desktop and recording on this [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► motion all this stuff was like a total [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► of a couple hundred dollars and it does [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► these amazing things of showing me live [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► video the duck my backyard without a [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► whole lot of wiring without a whole lot [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► of effort and in pretty impressive [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► quality know what are you using to do [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► the motion detection and recording that [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► part is less pleasant [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► this is the the area of surveillance [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► type software like any kind of software [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► that can back and display IP camera [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► feeds and record them and possibly [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► detect motion on them and save them in [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► certain conditions this is not a great [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► area of software there's very few [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► choices the choices that are out there [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► seemed not amazing and I'm not gonna [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► name names in case someone listens who [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► writes one you can just assume i didn't [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► find yours they're there they're not [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► great but these are great software [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► packages and then I i briefly looked [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► into what would I do if I wanted to [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► stream this the internet and one way to [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► do it is the camera itself has it built [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► in our something MP whatever protocol is [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► like the streaming protocol for this [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► video it has a built-in server for that [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► but hey i don't think it can really take [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► a whole bunch connections at once and be [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► i don't really want to have everybody [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► hitting my home IP directly I'd rather [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► like relayed through a server somewhere [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► and then that provides both a level of [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► interaction for the home IP as well as a [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► capacity like to you know similar to how [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► we went we broadcast the show live [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► I'm bouncing this off of my webserver my [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► market or web server because that way [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► that is connected to this giant Internet [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► backbone that relays the audio to [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► everybody in a way fat way higher [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► capacity method than what i can do from [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► my house [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► the options to do that for video seemed [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► pretty slim and usually have Enterprise [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► pricing call us and you know if you need [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► more than one live you were a time you [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► need to call us or well that'll be three [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► thousand dollars please [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► or you know someone crazy crazy money to [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► do these things [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► many of them are like entire video [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► platforms where if you you want to live [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► if you want to transfer translate from [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► your or whatever MP video stream to a to [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► a video feed online people can just go [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► to and see all that that will use this [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► crazy software package and cost [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► thousands of dollars and call surprising [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► it's kind of a mess i did find YouTube [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► live streaming it seems it's kind of [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► like periscope and that like you can do [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► a live broadcast but then it wants to [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► like then save that as a video on your [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► account so it probably doesn't want the [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► live broadcast like a month-long that [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► probably won't work and then to get to [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► get youtube another pilot acts where you [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► have to use the open broadcasting [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► whatever whatever whatever called the [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► OBS yeah the open market server that [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► like all the gamers use [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► we have to use OBS [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► to window capture something that's [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► viewing the IP camera like a browser [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► window or something and then rebroadcast [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► to youtube live so this is like if I'm [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► gonna do this we're gonna actually live [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► broadcast this it's gonna basically [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► require like a computer dedicated to [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► this task 24-7 or as long as live [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► broadcasting and I just don't want to do [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► that I don't have a lot of extra [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► computers to dedicate to that and I just [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► don't I don't see more of it [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► did you look into this has nothing to do [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► with live broadcasting but just for your [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► own viewing did you look into [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► surveillance station on your Synology I [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► did but the the list of cameras that it [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► takes did not include the 1i got and [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► including any of the ones that seemed [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► highly rated on amazon right now and [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► also my synology the only i use almost [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► none of the software on it because the [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► only drive i really value my have [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► formatted on this technology in its own [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► native format is my time machine volume [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► because it's that the synology time [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► machine server is awesome it's way more [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► solid in my experience then any Apple [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► time machine from implementation and use [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► I think of some kind of open source time [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► machine thing that they built into that [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► but it is way more solid than direct [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► attacks disc has ever been for me and we [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► were solved then then a time machine [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► server on a mac mini or time machine [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► action are just running on an airport [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► extreme it whatever package technology [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► uses for their time machine server [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► I never hit problems with like oh it ran [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► out of space and have to format the [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► whole thing to actually make time [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► machine resume it never errors out H it [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► is just it just works and i have disk [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► quota set so that me and tiff share one [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► volume its i'm amazed it works as well [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► as it does given my experience with [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► other time machine options but it works [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► anyway my psychologist formats such that [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► the time machine volume on there is no [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► negative 1 all the rest of it is one [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► giant iscsi volume so the types of this [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► technology can't see it's just like you [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► know dumb box to the technology so that [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► I can't I don't really want to devote my [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► time machine space to this so i haven't [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► done that yet [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► well I ask because my dad set up an IP [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► camera with power over ethernet at his [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► house to point in his driveway [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► and has an ancient ipad just sitting [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► there streaming it in his office so we [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► can see when if people are coming up to [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► the house and he using surveillance [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► station on the ipad the other the app [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► for the iPad he uses it on this [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► technology and really really has had [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► wonderful things to say about it i've [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► seen it although i've not played with it [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► and it looks really solid to me and it [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► will leave in like send emails when it [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► detects motion with like a screen [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► capture it looks really really good if [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► it doesn't work with your camera there's [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► nothing you can really do about that and [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► obviously you've made different choices [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► with regard to your volume set up but if [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► anyone else is listening and has a [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► synology I've heard very very good [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► things about surveillance station can [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► also just kind of sounds creepy [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► oh you know I'm gonna set up [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► surveillance station in my house [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► yeah well there's that you don't respect [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► the privacy of your ducks know who knows [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► what they could be doing there are we [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► filming them 24 hours a day to be fair [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► it's only it's only one duck and so far [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► for potential future ducks [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► yeah i think though I brought you tacos [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► up here like where I can't wait to look [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► at marcos duck am now just sounds like [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► there's not going to be a duck camp so I [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► guess what people are gonna have to [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► settle for is like the highlights like [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► when something eventful happens like [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► that the extra something in you you [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► catch that then you can pull that clip [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► and then put that up on YouTube inside [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► here the hit here's the the exciting [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► part with the eggs hatch or the exciting [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► part when the record company somewhat by [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► hoppes doesn't follow the eggs hospices [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► is a terrible hunter and if you give him [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► a treat and it falls between his legs or [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► behind him he can't find it [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► his brain is the size of all not given [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► break and get his little shorts just two [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► nodes so like you know he's not doesn't [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► have the greatest sense of smell but [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► they look at you and say you did this to [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► selective breeding I used to be a wolf [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► and not look at me very sausage [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► he was never a wolf what if whatever [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► helps came from he could he's never [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► without a wolf long ago his ancestors [TS]

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00:47:42 ◼   ► night of the week now I'm a way better [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► cook than I was before we started way [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► better and I i have techniques I've [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► never done before [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► I'm more comfortable cooking ingredients [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► and cuisines I've never was never [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► comfortable before so I we really had a [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► good time with Raven is a little [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► different tonight too [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► we still we didn't get like a free trial [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► as part of the sponsorship and the free [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► trial ended and i kept paying for like [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► now I'm just a regular customer [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► same here Mike most the most exciting [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► thing for me still is there's a [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► different me like I haven't I guess they [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► repeat after a year because markets been [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► at it for the year and they start to [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► repeat but I [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► I have had zero repeats like it's it's a [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► different meal every single time which [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► for someone who's old entire like I'm [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► like you eventually get a repertoire of [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► meals that you like or that your family [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► likes or whatever and just the [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► excitement to have a different thing [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► every single time which sometimes we [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► made repeats by the way you get to keep [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► the recipe cards sometimes I'll have one [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► that I like and we will make that on our [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► own just buy the ingredients ourselves [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► so we've been like manually done repeats [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► but just know that it's you know it's [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► always something different and we're not [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► particularly adventurous eater so this [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► kind of forces us to be slightly [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► adventurous we still didn't you know you [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► get to pick what your preferences are so [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► we still didn't pick any weird stuff [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► that we know we're not going to like but [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► anyway it has a more often it's it's [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► nice to to be surprised every week about [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► what's going to come check it out [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► blueprint com / ATP blue apron a better [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► way to cook [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► alright so it was last week that Apple [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► turn 40 if I have my crawled ecology [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► right whenever it may have been Apple [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► turn 40 and John you had some thoughts [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► about this would you like to share [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► now we missed it by two weeks i think [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► but yeah I have all I think april first [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► it was founded because they're just a [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► bunch of jokesters those two Steve's and [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► a lot of people did applet 40 stories [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► talking about their history of apple or [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► whatever and it's such a big topic I [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► didn't really know how to address it [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► especially with you too Maggie come [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► lately so whatever you want to call you [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► if you came on for later but I'd i think [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► it's worth at 40 is a nice round number [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► i think it's worth at least reflecting [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► on the the first 40 years of apple and [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► any kind of sort of like for you when [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► you look at it what stands out in your [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► memory as important whether you were [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► involved an apple or not and have all [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► your memories are only from like 2004 on [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► that's fine but i figure it's worth [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► taking this time to look back and think [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► about what you know what what important [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► things apples that's kind of like when [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► is a great way to put it like when you [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► like a celebrity or something dies and [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► they have their obituaries like the [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► first couple sentences of the obituary [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► you know kind of have the highlights and [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► so apples not dead and we're not trying [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► to write an obituary for but we can look [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► back on the first 40 years and say what [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► were the most important thing [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► that happened there to you personally [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► not just like we're not gonna say like [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► well you know it's important for the [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► history of computing XYZ but to you [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► personally what do you think was a what [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► weighs heavily on your mind when you [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► think of the first 40 years of apple now [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► you know my experience with Apple was [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► probably very similar to many people my [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► age in that I experienced it [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► Max and I guess the apple to at school [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► and that was it until much later in my [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► life and so my earliest memories of [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► Apple were playing oregon trail like so [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► many kids my age did I also vividly [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► remember when i was in i believe middle [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► school I was already showing an affinity [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► and a love for computers and i ended up [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► being like kind of a volunteer like pee [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► on for the computer lab administrator [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► and they were running some flavor of Mac [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► I'm sorry John and Stephen Hackett I [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► couldn't tell you what kind of mac it [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► was but they were running max and i [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► remember vividly like being able to help [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► out and i think i have like some [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► super-secret like administrative [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► password that they trusted with the [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► middle schooler for some stupid reason [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► and I couldn't really do much with it [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► but i thought i was so cool because of [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► it and the thing that sticks out in my [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► mind even to this day like 20 years [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► later is we all had to like buy a floppy [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► disk or one of the three and a half inch [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► disk so wasn't even floppy but anyway we [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► are divided floppy disk and we would [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► store all of our you know school [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► documents on it because that was more [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► than enough room for years with school [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► documents and I remember someone had [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► shown me or somehow I figured out how to [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► set the icon for the disk so when you [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► put the disc into the mac in any mac it [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► would like it instead of being a regular [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► grey icon or whatever it was by default [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► mine would be like really bright blue or [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► something like that or maybe it was an [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► entirely different icon altogether blue [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► disc stood yea trained exactly hits [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► remember figuring out how to do that and [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► oh my [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► god I thought I was hot stuff because my [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► disk when it was on the desktop look [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► different than everyone else's aren't I [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► a badass and I just remembered that so [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► vividly and I have some other memories [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► but but they're more of like modern era [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► so Marco let me give you and then John [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► as well a chance to kind of cover the [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► the the let's call it the pre-2000 era [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► right before you move on [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► what does your hard disk icon looking [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► like right now on your Mac oh it's not [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► on my desktop in the one in finders [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► whatever the default is what happened [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► you were you were there you were blue [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► disc stud and it and the same exact you [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► could do the same feature has lived on [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► through the various versions of the mac [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► operating system to today or you can do [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► probably an even easier way that you did [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► back then depending on how far actually [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► was probably the same way because you're [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► not that old i think it was about the [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► same way was like get info and then you [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► just drag competition just copy and [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► paste right yeah maybe that's what was [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► used to be more difficult they added [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► that the copy and paste feature in a [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► later version of that conversation [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► either way I'm excited that you did that [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► like that that's definitely a Mac user [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► kind of thing to do like that you want [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► your thing to look nice and you can do [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► it and as you noted it's not as if well [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► I wouldn't say it look nice i'm sure was [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► god awful hideous but it was mine and as [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► you noted [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► it's not as if that was just a change on [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► your computer he brought us to any mac [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► that they would honor it [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► you should be doing that I all of my [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► hard drives have been named fancifully [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► and have had custom icons do the same [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► thing for most of my folders back in the [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► day although now that the finder is my [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► enemy that doesn't well but this is [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► still battle in this way there are many [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► like it but this one is mine [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► I also rocked the standard disc and it [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► also is no desktop haha oh goodness [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► alright so Marco what was your like [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► let's say up until high school [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► experience with the mac it actually [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► wasn't the mac it was the Apple to the [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► fair enough fair enough [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► and this might sound more impressive [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► than it was because my first experience [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► the Apple to was around nineteen ninety [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► maybe it [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► it's okay it was you know already what [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► 12 years old something by then right [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► nice so it my experience was I was I [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► went to a very poor and not very like [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► scientifically advanced elementary [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► school so the the computers they had [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► they did have computers they had one [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► computer lab that had maybe I don't know [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► 15 computers in it and they were all old [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► donated Apple tues by the time i was it [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► maybe fifth sixth grade so what is that [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► like if I was born 82 when is that like [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► 91 and you something like that we [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► roughly and I just play games on them [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► like did you see oregon trail [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► I'm not gonna try to say my version of [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► how to pronounce that state name i know [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► i'm gonna get it wrong also but I is [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► pronounced worcester yeah it was the [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► trail it's it's either oregon or again [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► is the only two ways i've ever heard it [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► I'm gonna use either of those anyway so [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► God but it's so played that you know [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► another you know math lectures and the [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► other like you know games that were [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► supposed to be educational that weren't [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► really and had fun with that in seventh [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► grade my friends and I he was a mac nerd [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► at the time and he this was in like [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► nineteen ninety-five or something he had [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► a laptop in class all the time as a [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► seventh-grader what's so they were some [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► kind of arrangement he had with the [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► school with his parents in school that [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► he was allowed to have a laptop for a [TS]