83: It Looked Like a Liam
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From Real AFM this is Connected, episode number 83. Today's show is brought to you
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by member four Igloo and Squarespace. My name is Myke Hurley. I am joined by Mr Stephen Hackett of
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512 pixels. Hello Stephen Hackett. Hello Michael Hurley. And also by Mr Federico Vittici of Mac
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Hi Federico. Well hey, thank you for telling the name of my website.
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I'm Myke Hurley of michaelsright.com. Is that your brand? It's my personal brand, we know that by now.
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I reckon we're gonna be a bit punchy today. We haven't recorded in the evening in a very long time
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and we're recording in the evening tonight, so you've got that to contend with.
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I miss the evening recordings. I do not miss them.
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either but it's a it's it's a bit more romantic I guess it is it is I remember
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back in the days of the prompt where I would be awake until 2 a.m. editing then
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waking up at 7 to go to work the next day is there a podcast yeah I had to not
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not anymore because I had to wait for Federico's file oh yeah and we used to
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have so many problems just in general then.
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And the freaking sound effects,
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which always added more time than I wanted.
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Those are the days.
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We run a much tighter ship now, which is nice.
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- There was no 4G, you know?
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- Nope. - No 4G.
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I used to say sentences with gaps in them
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for you to drop the sound effect in.
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- That's true.
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- Over time, we perfected the gap
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to the right time with the sound effect, but.
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Yeah, really good at it.
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So now it's time for follow-up.
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Well, I want to do a piece of follow-out first.
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In case people haven't heard this, you should hear this.
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Episode number six of remaster went out last week, and we were very lucky to get an exclusive
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interview with Shuhei Yoshida, who is the president of Worldwatch Studios' PlayStation.
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This guy is like instrumental in the Playstation, like the PS4 and the PSVR, the new VR headset.
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And Shahid went out to San Francisco and on his trip he got a 15 minute interview with
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Yoshida-san, which is part of the episode, including me and Federico talking about the
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Playstation VR.
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So there's a lot of really interesting stuff in there, I think you should go and listen
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It's at relay.fm/remaster/6.
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If you enjoy the show share it with your friends, subscribe, it's fun, we enjoy it and we put
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a lot of love and care into it so I think that listeners of this show would like that
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It's a really cool interview.
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Yeah, we were very lucky.
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And then in a very important piece of follow up that I received just before the show, if
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you remember back way into the history of when Workflow came out, I created or adapted
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a workflow to send thousands of emoji at a time.
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Do you remember this?
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I will find that workflow and put that in the show notes,
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but a guy called Matthew sent me a tweet to tell me,
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because I brought it up on Analog last week,
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he used that technique to send 10,000 pig emojis to a friend,
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and messages crashed every time that he tried to open it.
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I had this and I just rebooted my phone and it was fine.
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That wouldn't work for him. He had to restore his phone.
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Wow. So I will put this workflow in the show notes, but I would suggest that you use it
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at your own peril. If you do too many of them, things can go crazy.
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Yeah, please don't try this at home. Well, you know.
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Be careful. We're emoji professionals, so we're fine.
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We can try it at home, but you should, everybody else should be careful.
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So we're going to talk a little bit today about the Mac topic from last week, the idea
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of some things that Apple could do to make the Mac potentially more attractive to third-party
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And in that conversation we spoke about UIKit, and I had totally forgotten about and neglected
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to bring up UXKit.
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So we have a couple links in the show notes, one Macworld piece about why smaller iOS developers
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maybe smart to look at the Mac and then
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one of six colors and one to any essential
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dot-com about about this topic about UX
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kit specifically which is part of photos
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dot app which shipped I guess what like a
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year and a half two years ago now and if
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you look at photos app it looks and kind
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of feels like an iOS app in a lot of
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ways and the reason for that is Apple
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reimplemented a portion of UI kit to run
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on the Mac and it's called UX kit and as
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far as I know as far as I could find
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Photos is really the only place that we've seen this and it has not been made
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public to developers to use at this point as it been really expanded upon by
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Apple but it does show that this sort of work at Apple at least has been underway
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to a degree to get photos done and I think it's an interesting way of looking
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at it that importing UIKit directly doesn't really work right because it's
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touch driven and there's a lot of elements there that just don't make
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sense if you're dealing with a cursor, because even if you're on something like the Magic
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Trackpad, you're still not touching things directly, right? It's abstracted away through
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the cursor. But you know, Photos.app feels like a Mac app, it feels like an iOS app too,
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it's very sort of this strange hybrid. And so you should go check out those links, it's
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an interesting piece of technology and one that maybe Apple will expand upon at some
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point in the future.
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So I don't fully understand a lot of this stuff, but so is this basically like
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somewhere in the middle between Mac development and iOS development then?
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Is that what this is kind of about?
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Well I think some of it's a little unknown because UXKit is not really available for developers to use, right?
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You can only kind of see how it's used in photos.
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And so I think there's a lot of question as to like how much time and effort this could shave off
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for porting an iOS app, but it's definitely further along than going from UIKit to AppKit
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that's on the Mac now.
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So basically an iOS developer could look at this and maybe have a better understanding
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of how to use it because of the tools that they put into play on iOS?
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Yeah, potentially.
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So I think at this point it's all about the potential of it.
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Alright, cool.
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I wanted a piece of follow-up.
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talking about Ulysses quite a bit last week and Federico kept sharing his
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beautiful setup and this prompted a tweet from CGP Grey which prompted a
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tweet from the Ulysses app people to say that Dropbox support is coming to a
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soon update so I mean I don't know anything about this but it does more
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than that but it looks like maybe that Dropbox sync will be coming back to
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Ulysses or coming to Ulysses? Yeah, I don't know at this point because I don't
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have a beta or anything so I'm based on this tweet but it sounds like there's
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going to be direct support for Dropbox which is good news you know especially
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because you can then go to Dropbox.com see the text files see versions you know
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which iCloud doesn't show you. And also you have the peace of mind you know for
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big things like this if I was you I would want to go with a
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thing that I've used and known and trusted for many, many years.
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And whilst iCloud seems better, I mean, I know as a Notes user, um,
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iCloud is fantastic. Like the way that my favorite thing about Notes Sync
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is that I may have added something from an extension.
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I open up that note, start typing,
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and then the link that I've added pops in above the text. Yeah.
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I think that that is like, you nailed it, right? It needed to sync,
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but you know where it's supposed to go.
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That for me just feels like you nailed it.
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So this stuff may be better, I don't know the ins and outs of how you would build an app like Ulysses on this stuff.
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But, nevertheless, for a multiple thousand, ten thousand word article, Dropbox has never failed you.
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No, never. And it gives you...
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So you'd want to use that?
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Yeah, especially because Ulysses uses that type of iCloud sync that you cannot manage in a web browser.
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You know, it's not like when you go to icloud.com and you see a bunch of text files from, or
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files in general, from iCloud Drive.
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>> And BioWare does it like that.
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Ulysses doesn't do that type of iCloud implementation.
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So the iCloud that you see in Ulysses only propagates across the apps.
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You cannot go on a web browser and see all your documents.
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You can only go to your iPhone or the iPad or the Mac.
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So it's only inside the app.
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And using Dropbox or similar services gives you the sense of safety that you can go anytime,
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anywhere on a web browser, you can view the file, you can restore, you can view versions,
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which is what you want.
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When you're working on a big project that's taking you months to put together, that's
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what you want to be able to do.
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So we'll see.
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I'm really happy that they're doing it.
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I've been using Ulysses for the past week again.
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I know that people are waiting for some sort of follow-up.
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I'm liking it a lot.
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iCloud Sync has been terrific so far.
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I don't know if I told you, Myke, but I'm using the dark theme a lot more.
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To my surprise, because I've never been a huge dark theme user, I know that you love
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dark themes.
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I'm all about dark themes.
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Yeah, I haven't been a dark theme person myself in any app really so far.
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But I'm using it in Ulysses, I do love the contrast between the black background, the yellow font, red section names.
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It's really nice.
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Can you share the themes?
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I haven't yet.
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But I am like, every day I go to the App Store and look at the Ulysses app and then close it again.
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I mean, I just look so pretty.
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Yeah, I can share my theme, I think.
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I'll take a look at how it's done.
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I'm liking the toolbar a lot.
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You know where it's got all the menus with the shortcuts
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to insert links and footnotes to make text italic or bold?
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I'm getting used to the layout because I'm new to the app.
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It's only two weeks after years and years of other text
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So I'm still getting used to it.
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I do like a lot the organization that I set up, so I have two different groups.
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One is called Maxories, the other is called Club.
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So I can organize the different content that I write for the website and for the newsletters.
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And then I'm also starting to use the keywords, so I have a finalized keyword that I apply
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to sheets or documents when they are complete for the newsletter.
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So when I open the club group in Ulysses I can just take a look and see what's been finalized,
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what's ready to go.
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That's nice, you know, it's very different, I continue to believe that it's very different
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from what I used to write in before, and I'm getting used to the whole idea of sheets can
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be grouped together and you can have attachments inside sheets, which I used last week to prepare
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some iOS 9.3 coverage. I was saving screenshots and placing the screenshots right inside my
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document, not into my Photos app, where for some reason I never find them again. So yeah,
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I'm getting used to it. I think I'm positive that I'm gonna keep using it. I will keep
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you updated over the next few weeks. I want to know more. Yeah I'm excited about
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it mainly for that revision history like you guys were talking about. I mean I'm
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using one writer which syncs Dropbox files offline which is really nice and
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then I'm using NV alt on the Mac but it's nice to have the flexibility right
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there because they're just files I can open something up and buy word or BB
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edit or pull it down from Dropbox and kind of get at it from anywhere and
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iCloud just has those walls around it that I don't really want to deal with.
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So I'm with you, I'm excited about it, and I will definitely be spending some serious
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time with it once Dropbox support is out.
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Yeah, I've been back on editorial recently for some of the stuff that I've been doing.
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And it's nice on the iPad Pro.
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The beta is very nice.
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Alright, talking about all this text stuff, I just wanted to take a quick moment, because
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we're going to talk about the Apple event now. To talk about our coverage and stuff,
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because we all kind of did our own little things yesterday, I wanted to just point out
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the abundance of MaxStories links that are going to be in the show notes, because Federico
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and his team posted 675 articles yesterday. I counted. 675. It was really impressive.
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You should be very proud.
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Thank you. It was only, I think, 14 or 15 maybe. But it's more than usual.
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Yeah, it was a... Clearly you have either grown six more sets of arms or you have built
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an incredible team around you.
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Yeah, the guys have been really, really great. I'm really happy with the... You know, we planned
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it in advance. We had like a full outline of how we wanted to cover the announcements
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and we had a sort of plan based on, you know, 9 to 5 Mac basically gave us.
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That is helpful for you actually, isn't it?
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Because you can just assign the products as you know what they are.
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We had two white cards and we said, well, based on what they are, we're just gonna,
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you know, see what it is, go with the flow and we'll talk over Slack.
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But we had a strategy based on, you know, iPhone, iPad.
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I was getting iPad, of course.
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Alex was getting the iPhone and we knew there were going to be watch announcements.
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So we were like five people talking in Slack and it went really nicely.
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Thank you, Myke.
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Steven was doing his usual tweeting, as he is known to do.
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If you don't follow the 512 pixels account, 512px on Twitter, you should follow it just
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for Apple events.
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goes a little bit crazy? It's very serious news coverage, so what can I say?
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You also did a little article that we'll talk about in a bit, which is really cool. And
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me and Jason recorded a weird and special episode of Upgrade where Jason called in from
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his car on his way back from Cupertino to the Six Colors world headquarters and we recorded
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the show that way. And I actually am really happy with how it turned out. It was a lot
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of work from both me and Jason to get it just right. But I actually listened back to a bunch
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of it today and I'm pretty happy with it. It was fun. It was something different to
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what we usually do. So if you haven't heard that, again, more links in the show notes,
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upgrade episode 81. So that's that. Let's actually talk about what happened. So what
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we didn't know at the time when Tim made his big statement about the FBI was the way the
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rest of the day would play out. And Federico, what happened yesterday evening in regards
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to the FBI investigation?
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I was basically postponed because the Department of Justice argued that a third party approached
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them saying that there could be a method of unlocking the iPhone without having Apple's
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assistance. And the judge, whose name I don't remember, I think it's Judge… yeah, I don't
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PIM. PIM, yes. Okay. I was about to say PING, but that's another product.
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Close. The judge isn't a product.
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No. So they granted the FBI and the Justice Department a new hearing on April 5 to report
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back on these tests that they're going to do on this action based on the method from
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a third party. We don't know who the third party is. Might as well be John McAfee. We
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don't know mm-hmm I think it's probably the NSA well guys I've got a special
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guest to me here today it's the FBI it's me it was me all along I worked it out
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it basically a lot of people are saying that they think the FBI is chickening
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out of this I don't know I don't know how to take that I mean maybe what do
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you guys think? Do you think there's any merit in that theory?
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I mean, maybe a little, but I don't think they would say in what I imagine is sworn
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testimony that they have someone else who thinks they can unlock it. Like, I don't
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know. I mean, it's one of those things you may never know. And, you know, a lot of people
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are like, "Hey, it's over." It's like, "Well, no, it's not over. It's kind of on
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hold." And so they could go off and, "We'll just say that, you know, whoever it is could
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go unlock it and that's that or that could prove to be incorrect and they could come
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back and say hey you know what we tried this and you know what now you really should do
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it because we have gone through you know all these other steps to do it and you truly are
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our our last you know ditch effort so I don't see this as a victory yet but it's it's maybe
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a ray of hope for people that want it to go Apple's way but it's not over. It's
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not over so I think I think those headlines are a little premature but
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we'll see you know it could be this just quietly goes away and if that's the case
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then we can either assume that whoever it is did get into the phone and that's
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got its own ramifications or that it really was they realized that they were
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losing the public battle and so they sort of you know backed off from it but
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again we'll probably think there's a big chance that we'll never actually know.
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Apple opened the event with one of their cute little videos that they've done in
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the past since was it like WWDC a year or two ago?
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Was it the iOS 7 was like the first real time this had happened right? Yeah it had like the
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little like little marbles or something yeah balls rolling around and
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stuff and they've done they did one I think last year about like how app
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developers like make the world really special it was like painting around a
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room right and the words kind of appeared and disappeared based on the
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angle so they've been doing some fun stuff recently. And this one was kind of
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in anticipation of celebrating Apple's 40th year right which is what and on
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April 1st? Yes. So there's that and and as part of this they basically showed up a
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bunch of keywords and phrases and product names and in-jokes and there was
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only one man who could decipher this code and he's with us today. Yes I was
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listening to Upgrade washing dishes after dinner and Jason says hey you know
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my first thought was that Steven should do like pull apart the video frame by
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frame and like list out annotate everything that's in it and basically I
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was like that's a great idea I should go do that and so I went and did it and
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several hours later it took a long time I did learn that if you're in QuickTime
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you can use the arrow keys to advance one frame at a time which is very
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helpful when you're doing something like this but it's a fun it's a fun list
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right like it's everything from 1984 in the Macintosh there's a lot of stuff
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about the iMac g3 and then a lot of you know more modern stuff but it's I don't
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know how many individual slides there are because I didn't number this list but it's
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a bunch of stuff. Anything that jumps out for you specifically? I mean so two things
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a the the Newton slide like it's really hilarious especially if you realize that. What is the
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joke? So the word Newton stays up there and then after a moment they scribble through
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it with like a line and if you are using a Newton that's how you delete a word is to
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scribble through it. So it was kind of a little funny little jab at the Newton.
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The guys who run the Newton Talk Twitter account really incensed over
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this, saying they were going to scratch through Apple executives, which seems a
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little overreaction. How often do the Newton people get in the news?
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Yeah, you gotta give them it, right? And you gotta know it's gonna be negative, right?
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Short of me writing something, I don't know who's writing anything positive about the
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Newton these days. There's Newton people still?
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Yes. What do they do?
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Probably not a lot if they're still using the Newton.
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No, I mean, serious question. Do they still use the Newton for, like, everyday computing?
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I know people who use them as sort of like a... I mean, there are a couple people who
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I still use them like daily I think I used it daily in college like 10 years ago
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But I think that there's still some people who it's a it's a really passionate hobby like I think the word
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I use in the end the list is like
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Can he go on the on the internet for example can I can you can put a wireless card in it and you can get?
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on the internet, okay slowly and very
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Simply, but yeah, it'll go
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The other thing that jumped on me was all the iMac g3 stuff
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They talk about the computer they have tangerine lime strawberry blueberry and
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grape which were the five colors and or the five flavors as they called them and
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those were the some of the only colored slides in the video so they've really
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jumped out when you're when you were watching watching it and it's something
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that's been on my mind because I'm in a phase of iMac G3 acquisition and so I've
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been spending some time looking at them. So that jumped out at me. What does that mean exactly?
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So I am trying to source one of each color for a project and so I have three now and
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I've got a lead on almost every other color. Some of those I'm gonna have to just wait
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until they show up on eBay but I got someone I think locally who has some iMacs that they're
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gonna let me have. When you say project, do you mean hoarding? Like what is project?
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When you say you have a lead, is it like an investigation that is going on?
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Tracking down computers? Someone did, I got today, someone did email me after I
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tweeted about it and they sent me an indigo that they had, which is pretty
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cool. These aren't small, these are really big things and you want like six of them.
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No, I can tell you. One, two, three, seven, eight, nine, ten. There's like twelve, I think
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twelve different colors.
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Are you going and trying to get all of them?
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Mm-hmm. Yep.
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You are one of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of knowing.
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So those are twelve computers.
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I don't know how you're married. I just don't know how it continues. I've met Mary. She's
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very lovely and I don't understand it.
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I don't want to put words in her mouth, but she's not real thrilled.
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So those are 12 different models of the same computer.
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Is that right?
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And you should put them on a long table and you sit in the middle and, you know, what's
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the painting from Leonardo da Vinci, you know?
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The Last Supper?
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The Last Supper.
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And you do a recreation of that with you in the middle.
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You know, 12 old computers.
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I mean, I don't know what your project is, but it ain't gonna be better than that.
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- The last supper of IMAX is pretty good.
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So I'm gonna scrap what I had in mind.
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- Oh, was there an Apple event this week?
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- I don't know, yeah, can we get off of me
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and do something else?
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- One billion active Apple devices,
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this came up again, right?
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They, I was trying to find it,
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they mentioned this number before,
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was it during a conference call or something?
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- It was the last analyst call.
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- Okay, so one billion active Apple devices.
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I will admit that 337 of them are at my house,
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but I think the way they count this are things
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that check in with like an Apple internet service,
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I think is how, I think that's kind of believed
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how this number has come to.
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And that number is really crazy to me,
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that it's one billion seems impossible to understand.
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- It's a lot.
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Like I don't even--
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- It's a lot, like it's a lot.
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And I think they used that, Tim put that up
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before he started talking about the privacy thing.
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Like we have to protect all of these people,
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I think was his kind of thing there, right?
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- And I think it was to sort of show that Apple's not
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like this like rinky-dink company
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that can be pushed around.
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Like they're also, they are saying,
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and I believe what you said, that it's about like,
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we have all these people that we feel we're responsible to,
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but also like we're kind of a big deal,
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And you could see a world where if this continues,
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that Apple's gonna be like,
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we have one billion active Apple devices
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and we're an American company.
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Like that's sort of the undertone I get out of this
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is like, we're a big deal and we're here.
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And it's obviously incredibly impressive.
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And like you said,
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difficult to sort of wrap your head around.
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But I think that that number works in their favor
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in a bunch of different ways.
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- Yeah, no doubt.
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Then they kind of went into the environmental stuff.
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There's some interesting things there.
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A lot of the stuff that Apple's doing for the environment
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and their carbon offsetting and things like that.
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But the real kind of cool news is the LEM robot, right?
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Like that's what everyone's latching onto.
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I mean, look, it is amazing what they're doing.
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Like 99% recycled paper, 93% all renewable energy.
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Some countries are 100%.
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They go over 100% worldwide,
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but they created a robot that has an eye that can tear apart
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and just cast aside the insides of iPhones, right?
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Have you read the Mashable story?
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I haven't yet, I haven't yet. I saw that just before we started recording.
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It's a giant robot that occupies an entire warehouse, and in the video you only see one
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arm or maybe two arms of the robot. It's got 29 of those arms moving around.
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Oh, that's horrific!
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It's basically a huge machine and it takes I think 11 seconds, if I got this correctly,
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it takes, let me see, 11 seconds to complete an iPhone disassembly process with dozens
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running through the system at all times.
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And it can turn around 350 units each hour for 1.2 million iPhones each year.
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So this is just one single Lian robot machine.
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It can do over a million iPhones each year.
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It's a huge number, you know?
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It's a little terrifying.
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It is terrifying.
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It's got 29 arms and it's basically like a giant robot inside of a warehouse eating iPhones
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and spitting out parts in different buckets. And I mean, it's a very, it's a great initiative,
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you know, especially because Apple explained to Mashable, we can cut through all the different
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elements real precisely. So it's not like the traditional recycling process. It may
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happen that, you know, that maybe the copper gets mixed up with a bunch of steel and then,
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you know, the recycling process, it's not as good as it could be. We got this robot
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with all sorts of crazy machinery going on, and we can precisely separate each element.
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Which is great news, you know, especially because Apple can then resell all this material
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which is not contaminated by other material to different companies that recycle the material
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and it goes out, back out into the world. So it's great news, it's just, you know,
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maybe the fact that it's a robot with 29 arms and it's got a name, it's only slightly terrifying,
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I wonder what Liam stands for.
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There must be a background to it, right?
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No, there's no name.
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According to Apple, Mashable was guessing.
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They asked them, "Does it mean like line inverse assemble machine?"
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Something like that.
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And Apple was like, "No, it's just a name.
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We looked at the robot and it looked like Liam and we named it Liam."
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What can a robot look like that it looks like Liam?
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It's 29 arms. That's the thing. Like, do they, does somebody really hate somebody called
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Liam inside of Apple? Like, there's a guy nobody likes?
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Something's really wrong with that guy.
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Something's really... That looks just like Liam from Accounting, you know, the 29-arm
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It was cool. And the, we glossed over it, but the environmental stuff is a big deal.
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And I wasn't aware that they were so far into the renewable energy stuff, but I mean, again,
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for a company of their size, clearly they're making a huge investment here and with a belief
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that they are really improving the world.
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So it's great.
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And it was great to see some of that.
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Obviously there's like the yak joke going around, which is rather hilarious, but it
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It was a nice way to kind of set the stage a little bit going into these products.
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Instead of a retail update, having an update in these other areas.
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I think the point of bringing this up yesterday was, you know, you say you didn't know it.
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I don't think anybody knew that they were this far along.
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I think that was maybe why they brought it up.
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So it was like, we've spoken about this before, but oh by the way, look at all this crazy
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stuff we're doing.
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It was cool.
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It's a tough one.
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- Cool, it's cool. - It's a thing.
00:31:18
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- But do you wanna talk about ResearchKit and CareKit?
00:31:22
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- Yeah, so ResearchKit has been,
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it was announced a while back,
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and Jeff Williams kind of runs Apple's Health Stuff,
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along with a lot of other duties at Apple,
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spoke about ResearchKit and how it's being used
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and kind of building the case that it's being adopted.
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And as a refresher,
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ResearchKit is an open source platform from Apple
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where institutions, hospitals, clinics, that sort of thing,
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can build apps to basically have a at-large sampling
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of medical data.
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And so before, if you were going into one of these studies,
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it could be very small or very labor and time intensive
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to find people to join your study.
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And now it's much simpler,
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Apple argues, with a research kit.
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And it seems that that's the case.
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And they're expanding that with CareKit,
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which best to understand it is basically a set,
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it's open source like ResearchKit,
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but it's a set of tools that can go into apps
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for patients to be more engaged with their own care.
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And so it comes with a couple of different,
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I think what they call modules,
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some for some tracking stuff.
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So you can track range of motion.
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You can hold the iPhone, the example Jeff Williams gave,
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hold the iPhone in your hand and lift your shoulder.
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And the accelerometer in the phone
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well I can measure your range of motion.
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You can put pain scores in,
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but then there's also a whole follow-up deal.
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So if you go and have a procedure done,
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I've had this when I had my elbow worked on,
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they basically just give you a couple sheets of paper
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and they're like, yeah, do this, don't do that,
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this is the medicine you need to take.
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Well you can build that into an app now
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where it can be interactive.
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So a patient can go in and say yes,
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if I'm supposed to change my dressing every three days,
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I can go in and check off that I've done that,
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or I can be reminded of it.
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and really making that sort of Africa scenario
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much more like in the 21st century.
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And I think it's great and it's,
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and I tweeted this yesterday and like I know
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that it kind of sounds cheesy or it just comes across
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as like being a fanboy, but I really believe
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that in this sort of stuff, like A, Apple doesn't have
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to do this, B, like I guess if there's any impact
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to their bottom line is that people are buying
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and using iPhones and people are already buying
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and using iPhones.
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I mean, I'm sure this is a loss for them on their P&L,
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but the idea of leaving a dent in the universe,
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as Steve Jobs talked about,
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this is where they're doing it.
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And they had a part of the research kit video
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about studying things like epilepsy,
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and can there be a pattern in people's heartbeats
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before a seizure starts?
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And if you know you're epileptic
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you have you go into this rhythm like maybe you get a warning before you have
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a seizure so if you're driving you can pull over or if you're in a grocery
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store you can go find help and like someone who deals with epilepsy in their
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immediate family like that's huge because that stuff can just come on with
00:34:24
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no warning and I mean it can be really dangerous and I think it gets me I mean
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obviously it's personal for me but I think it really is an area where like
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like them or don't like them like their products, don't like their products. I don't
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think anyone can argue that this is a great thing that Apple's doing. You know
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I was looking through Twitter yesterday during the event and I saw a lot of
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white tech bloggers making fun of research kit and care kit saying you
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know now Apple wants to have all of your health data, they want to make money, this
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is not so as you know make as a good initiative as they make it out to be.
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Well, you know, these people, they probably never had to worry about a single serious
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health scare in their lives.
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Let me tell you, when you do, you know, when you do chemo, then you gotta do physical therapy,
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and you gotta go through a bunch of paper sheets every time, and there's no correct
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way to, you know, to look at all this data, there's no useful way to assess all of these,
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you know, different data points.
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Does your leg hurt?
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Does the muscle hurt?
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You know, did you do your exercises?
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There's no good way to track all this. And any company who wants to make a tool to do
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this stuff easily and to keep track of it and to help people, well, you know what? I
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don't care if they also make money because they're helping me, you know? I went through
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physical therapy and it wasn't fun. Especially when you gotta remember and you gotta print
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out all of these paper sheets with all the exercises that you gotta do at home and you
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forget and you don't like to go through those paper sheets because they're not on your phone
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and you know it's a very bad quality you can never you don't understand drawings
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but and you you don't have you know 3d animations on the drawings and then you
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forget to fill out the forms you know it sucks it generally sucks and so when i
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see these people making fun of something that can help others well it really gets
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under my skin you know i think like my my feeling on this is i think that it is
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a bit of column A, a bit of column B. They're trying to help everyone, but it's also a way
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to help sell devices and market the products. But that doesn't even matter. It doesn't matter
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if that's the thing. Because if you're actually, you know, and they said that some of the studies
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that they've done ended up being some of the largest clinical studies in history. So it
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doesn't matter if the reason you're doing it is to sell more iPhones. Because the result is amazing.
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I don't think it matters either way. Of course part of it is to sell iPhones, otherwise they
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would create devices for free and get them out to everyone in the world. But they're
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not doing that, right? And they don't need to do that, they shouldn't have to do that.
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They have a billion people using their devices, right? You only need like 0.001% of them and
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it's a massive research study. But I think it's like whatever, let them do it. Because
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what they're doing is actually making some people's lives better. I don't see why that's
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an issue for some people but it is.
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You know that's rich coming from some people who will solely concern is to look at the
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page views but you know whatever.
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It just gets to me.
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He's not angry.
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Let's take a break.
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Alright, so let's talk about what wasn't announced at the Apple event, which was anything Macintosh-related.
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Now, I think that there's a real simple reason for this, but go ahead, Stephen.
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No, I mean, Skylake MacBook Pros clearly on deck at some point.
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They've got to be ready.
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There's been rumors of external display.
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I would like one of each.
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I'm just waiting.
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But, you know, clearly not the event for this.
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You know, my initial thought was,
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with the environment and the FBI stuff,
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they wanted those things to be more,
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like a bigger piece of the pie.
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And so, to give those things some time to breathe,
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but I think your theory is even better.
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- I just, as I was watching the presentation,
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and Sheila kept saying over and over again
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that the iPad was the future of computing,
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and they were talking about Windows switches coming to the iPad.
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I think having Macs in there as well would have mixed that iPad message.
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I actually think that this this message of future of computing
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and all people that switch to the Apple ecosystem go to iPad first.
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I think this is the new iPad marketing campaign, like the long running one.
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Like this is going to be how they can kind of phrase this,
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because if this stuff is all true, which we assume that it is,
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This is stuff that they should be leveraging.
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And they show a video later on.
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They show a, or there's at least a video on the website
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of people using their iPads, right?
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They have one of those new iPad marketing videos.
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And in that video, there are people working on documents,
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working on images, in FaceTime calls,
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like these aren't people hanging on the side
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of mountain faces in tents anymore.
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- No. - Thank goodness.
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This is the way to market the iPad because everyone that I know that has started to love
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their iPad Pros, and it's not just me and Federico, like you look at Serenity Caldwell,
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I was just listening to MacPowers and obviously I notice from talking to Jason all the time
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that he doesn't use a laptop anymore, like he uses his iMac and his iPad Pro.
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I know Steven that you're using yours more and more.
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The people that are using this device to do stuff, they're doing work on them.
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not like trying to create a banned recital choreography. All of that stuff is really
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cool but that's not the stuff that you show to the world because it doesn't relate to
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the average person. This campaign of showing people in offices with architectural plans
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on FaceTime calls in picture in picture using the pencil to draw things and make notes,
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this is how they should be marketing this product. And I think they, I mean Touchwood,
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have finally found the thing that might try and open this up to a wider audience again.
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It's very practical, you know, showing people getting work done. You know, keyboards, documents,
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chatting with other colleagues. It's very pragmatic, I would say. It's not, you know,
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scuba diving with an iPad. Of course, yeah, you know, that's really cool, but, you know,
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I don't explore the oceans with an iPad. I just gotta fill out this spreadsheet. So yeah,
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makes sense. And I'm happy that they're going in this route. And yeah, I just think that
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really that it more than once I think that the beginning and the closing of
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the iPad Pro section was this future of computing thing and I think if they
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would have closed that and about right now the Mac I don't know if it would
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have landed so well I did I did have a chuckle that they had in like one of the
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images behind children was talking is someone working on a surface like or
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it's the idea that you know PCs are changing into these sort of convertible
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things and that really is, especially the Pro,
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once you get the keyboard on it,
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like it is more of a convertible than a straight tablet
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for a lot of people and so, you know I've got,
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I don't disagree with the philosophy
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of this marketing push.
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It did feel a little thin when he first started talking
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of like, why we're doing this new iPad Pro
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and it's for like Windows switches.
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I'm like, well, is it like, do people want to switch to a 10 inch tablet or do they want
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to go to something bigger?
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And I mean, obviously I don't know.
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And Apple, I'm sure, has information about what people are coming from and if people
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are repeat customers or not and all that stuff.
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But clearly they're just trying something in a new direction to jumpstart those iPad
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numbers and like that I've got no problem with.
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All we know is the current direction is not working.
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Like that's what we know.
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and they've got to be the conversations that are happening inside of Apple's iPad marketing
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teams. We thought this was really good, this looked really nice, it highlighted some stuff,
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but it's not landing with people because sales numbers keep going down. So I think this is
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the right move.
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Can I just point out one, maybe not so little, but something that you don't like from this
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section. When Phil Schiller said that people using a five-year-old PC is sad, I think that
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that's really not cool. I mean I get why Apple, what kind of angle they were going for. You
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know, we want to sell an iPad to these people because people believe that an iPad is a better
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computer. But just the tone, you know, the half-hand comment saying "yeah, you know,
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these people, they're using old computers, well that's sad". You know, on stage from
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an executive, really not cool.
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I think that Schiller was doing a little bit of ad-libbing here and it didn't pay off for
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him so well.
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Because the message that I think that they were trying to get across at this point was
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there are people who have machines that are five years old.
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That means they're likely to be upgrading at some point.
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We want them on the iPad.
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I think that was the message they were trying to get across.
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But he was trying to make a joke for the Apple people in the room.
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But all it's done is, it's become one of those things where people are complaining that Apple
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has a bunch of products that are that year old as well, like for sale right now.
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And it's like, yeah, you know, like it's true, right?
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Like how old is the Mac Mini at this point?
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You know, like they're still selling this stuff.
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I mean, and you really want to go that we can go back to where a couple of weeks ago
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you still selling hard drives, spinning hard drives in your Macs.
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you know, how far down this do you think we want to go here? Yeah, I just think that that
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was like, they tried, we're trying to make a good point, but it got mired down in a bad
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Yeah, especially because you don't really want to point out the fact that, you know,
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because it seems like, well, those people are sad, you don't want to put the spotlight
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on what people are doing, because you don't know why people are using an old computer.
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You don't know if people don't have the money to buy a new computer.
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You want to put the spotlight on "we believe we have a better product".
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That's a positive message, not that kind of poking fun that's not really necessary.
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So I really didn't like that comment.
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It was just poorly delivered, if it should have been delivered at all.
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There were no Macs.
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We're gonna...
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Buy WWDC, right?
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There's got to be something.
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that they might do a little event or a quiet event or just an upgrade in
00:47:46
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between now and then? What do you think Steven? I think so. I mean unless
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they're having some sort of issue it seems like Skylake chips are shipping in
00:47:55
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mass to other OEMs. I would think that you know maybe in April you could do a
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I don't think you have to do an event I think you can do that as a website
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press release like embargo review type deal and I think that'd be fine. I think
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June is a long way away and with so much software going on in the summer like
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they I mean they've had they had the Mac Pro I think was a notable hardware thing
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at WWDC but they've moved a lot of that hardware elsewhere in the year because
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they've got OS X, they have iOS, they have tvOS, and they have watchOS to all
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contend with now on the WWDC stage so I'm hoping I mean A because I'm in the
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market but I just think that June is a long way off hopefully they would be
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sooner than that yeah yeah I agree so the Apple watch they've dropped the
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price down to $299 that's with the nylon bands right so is that I mean the sport
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band I think is still the old price but oh really yes it's just the nylon it's
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the I didn't catch that it's when it's matched with the nylon band which is um
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I mean I think me that they're cheaper well if you buy them individually they're
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the same I think. So I don't know what the deal is there. I mean clearly they're
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trying to move them I guess and trying to maybe breathe some life into that but I
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think it's great I think $299 is a lot more like mentally that's a lot smaller
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number than $399. Yeah. For some reason it you know. My hope here is that this is
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reminiscent of the original iPhone and that $299 becomes a starting point for
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the next edition. I think it's really hard to go back. I mean yeah they did it
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the iPad I guess we'll talk about that but I think once you drop it's got to be
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real convincing why you would need to go back up again. Yeah yeah so $299 do the
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new nylon bands I'm struggling with the nylon bands mm-hmm image to image place
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to place they look good and not good to me I need to see these in person all of
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Apple's shots don't appeal to me. I think that... so the shots that they show on the
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web pages, are they renders or are they real? They look like renders. They look too sharp
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somehow to me. But I don't know. That's what I think. Or like, they're shot in such a way
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that they're shot so perfectly they kind of cross into the uncanny valley. And I don't
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like them but The Verge had a hands-on and the photos from the hands-on I was
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like they look quite nice. I want to go and see these in a store and I will
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maybe pick one up. There's definitely a couple of the new sport band colors I
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want to see. I like the yellow, I like royal blue and I like the red. I love
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that they're doing more leather colors. The leather one I don't really think is
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my thing especially with the sport band. The lug mismatching ended up being
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something that turned me away from the Milanese in the end after that long long discussion
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on this show I decided to not do that but I like that they're doing all that I like
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the bands you know I mean it's just a fun little thing and and I'm interested to get
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my hands on some more of them building up a real collection I'm basically as bad as
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you with your IMAX the bands way less oh really less really how much do those things run
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for the weight away you mean like price wise price wise yeah I was talking about
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price not weight I've only bought one out of the three that I have and I think
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it was like like 80 bucks and then I paid like 30 for shipping so I mean
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hundred hundred fifteen bucks about three times the price of the bands
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doesn't and storage space and they weigh 41 pounds so actually the later ones
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away a little less they I'm just flipping through this they shaved off six
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pounds at some point during the iMac G3's life. Way to go guys!
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Let's put them on the no-cob diet. Is that what it was?
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I don't particularly care about the
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watch announcements, you know, it's kinda cool that there's more colors
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and that the sport watch is cheaper, but I don't really like the nylon bands
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that look kinda ugly to me, maybe, you know, not my style
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but I do find it interesting that Apple is now
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and officializing what Craig Hockenberry of the Icon Factory calls the reverse crown way
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of wearing an Apple Watch.
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So if you go see the Apple product shots on the store and on the watch website, you can
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now see that Apple has some Apple Watch renders with a crown on the bottom left.
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So usually the digital crown is in the top right.
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In some shots it's in the bottom left, and again this is because there's a setting that
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you can enable to rotate the interface of the watch if you want to wear the Apple Watch
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with the crown at the bottom.
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It wasn't really official before, I mean there was a setting, but Apple was not making a
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big deal out of it, and now they do have renders and fancy product shots with a bunch of Apple
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watches, some with the digital crown in the top right, some with the crown in the
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bottom left. So, you know, if you're one of those people, know that now Apple
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officially forgives you and accepts you as an Apple Watch user. I think you guys
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should try it. You wear the Apple Watch this way? Try it. I did when it came out. I
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didn't really like it. I think I thought it was kind of weird to use the crown at
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the bottom. Crowns go on the right hand side of a watch face for me, like that's where
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they go. That's where I'm used to them being. I guess. Yeah, I don't wear a watch, but you
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know maybe just when I was a kid and I used to wear watches I remember, you know, the
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crowns and the buttons were on the right side. Also for me now, like, I've got the muscle
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memory. Yeah. So you know, I haven't worn my Apple Watch in like 10 days, you know,
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lately. Didn't really miss it, but I started waiting again yesterday because of the watch
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wise update. It doesn't really excite me, you know, everything is so slow. I mean, sure,
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I do miss the time, I do miss the looking at the... but you know, it's the fact that
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the apps that I use the most don't have Apple Watch versions. And so it's difficult for
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me to be excited because the stuff that I needed to do it can't do and so I'm like should it you
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know sometimes I forget and lately I forgot from like for like a week it was just there sitting on
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the nightstand and I was like oh yes I gotta remember to wear my watch uh we'll see I guess
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I want new hardware or new software I don't know but it doesn't do what I needed to do so
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It's kind of sad.
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I feel like I'm the only one here who really likes their Apple Watch.
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Like sometimes in the morning if I haven't put it on, I'm like, "Oh, I need to go put it on."
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Like I'm not getting my notifications.
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Like I feel kind of like it's just part of my whole little setup that I've got going on here.
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It really works for me.
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I mean, you know, I mean, remember like I set my devices up in a very specific way.
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So much so that they're always on "Do Not Disturb" because of the fact that I have an Apple Watch.
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So, you know, when I don't have an Apple Watch on, things can start to get a bit like I just don't get any notifications of any kind.
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So I was kind of built it that way. I built the Apple Watch as an important part.
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It's like my notifications triage hub or whatever.
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So like that's the only way I know that anything's happening.
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You know, I think one of the reasons why I'm having this sort of change is because of a...
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this is a bit of an off topic, sorry.
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But it's because in the past few months,
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I've been trying to change the way I deal with work
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when I'm out.
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You know, when I'm not at home getting work done,
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I'm usually like shopping with my girlfriend
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and I'm trying to focus on, you know,
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I want to get work out of my head.
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So what I did is I turned notifications off.
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So I don't want to see notifications
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because I know that, yes, maybe something is important,
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But I don't want to be bothered because I want to try to enjoy, you know, what I'm doing when I'm out.
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So not having notifications, you know, when I go out now I usually set my phone to "do not disturb" or set to "mute"
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because I don't want to look at it. I don't want to be... I don't want to have the temptation, you know?
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I'm sort of forcing myself to not be distracted.
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And I know that it sounds awful because I mean, sure, I'm spending time with my girlfriend, I'm not working,
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I should be able to do it on my own. But it's that sort of habit, you know, that it's hard
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to kick. So I've been trying to sort of isolate myself when I'm not working. And so not having
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notifications come constantly, but knowing that, you know, there's someone on my team
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taking care of the news or taking care of something when I'm not working, it helps me
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enjoy, you know, life more. And so not having the custom nagging on the watch, it's been
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kind of relaxing in a way. I don't know.
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This is one of the bigger problems with the way that the tools that we use to get our
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work done because we have an issue. I mean, we could we could go deep here, but the tools
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that we use as people that kind of have independent businesses on the internet
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are the same tools that we also use to talk to our friends. So it's like if you
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want to talk to people then you have to have the notifications on and then the
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notifications also for work like that's where it starts the line starts to get a
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little blurred there because you can't just switch off a specific thing and
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still get slack messages from me because then they could also be slack messages
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is from a developer. Like, you know what I mean? That's an issue, but maybe that's a
00:58:11
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It is the new 4 inch iPhone as we expected but maybe what we didn't expect is it is except
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for a different chamfer which is now a matte material basically.
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It looks exactly the same as the 5s.
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And the rumors didn't really say that that was going to be the case, right?
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We were always thinking curved glass, there were some rumors that were like "looks like
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a small iPhone 6".
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Looks completely like the 5s.
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Rumors were a bit confused.
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Seems like it.
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Which is rare, I think.
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Everything else, you know, is basically on point.
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It's a smaller iPhone, it's got everything, almost everything from the 6s except the D-touch.
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And it's not called the 5SE, it's just called the SE, which according to Schiller stands
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for Special Edition.
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So there you go.
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But it's got Apple Pay, you know, it's got a 12 megapixel camera.
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Is that right?
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And I think it's got the 5 megapixel front, right, as well?
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So it's the 6S chipset and the camera, but no 3D touch display.
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Which is interesting to me.
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What do you guys think of 3D Touch as an outgo here?
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They didn't want to build the sensors for the 4-inch because they don't have them.
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My guess is that was a road too far in the re-engineering of that chassis.
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I mean, what do you guys think about the design being the 5S design?
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Like you said, unless you're one of us, you're never going to notice the difference.
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It already looks old, right?
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And what happens when the iPhone 7 comes out and is assumedly different than the 6s?
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Is this going to look even older or have they crossed some sort of threshold into like this
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being sort of a more timeless design that you know may hold up better than you know
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say the iPhone 3G did?
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So here's my story.
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Basically you know if you've been listening to this show that I've been talking for weeks
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about Adina wanting this right?
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She wanted a new phone, she wanted it to be small, she's not too keen on the 6.
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I told her all the specifications over iMessage, I was like, it's gonna be just like the 6S
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but inside of there, like, it's gonna be fast, the battery's gonna be much improved, it's
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gonna have a better camera, you're gonna get live photos, she's like "great!"
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She looked at it, she's like "I'm not sure."
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No, come on, no, Adina has to buy one now.
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The reason that she feels that way is she was hoping for something new.
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Because she just looked at her phone and she's like "it's just the same."
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She's like, is it lighter at all?
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I was like, probably not.
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She's like, I don't know.
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So she wants to go and see it now.
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So she may still go with this, but she now wants to go to a store like we were thinking
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we were just going to get this sight unseen, like we were just going to buy it.
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But she wants to now go to a store and look at it and play with it.
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And then maybe also play with a success again and see what her final decision will be.
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And I get that because it is that like, I don't want something that looks old feeling.
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Yeah, the power of new, you know, has to look new.
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Makes sense.
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For me, the story is very similar except the ending.
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My wife has a 6S that we got at Christmas and she wants to go back.
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In fact, I'll be ordering an iPhone SE this week for her.
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And so I had the same deal.
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I just told her, "Hey, it is basically the phone you have now, minus 3D touch, which
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she doesn't use, in that smaller form factor.
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And it's exactly like the 5S you had."
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And not only was she pleased about that, the first question was, "Hey, do we still have
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my old iPhone case?"
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And that really sort of like, you know, it's easy for us as enthusiasts to not really understand
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all of the things that go into these sorts of decisions for people.
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But for her, it was like, "Oh, great.
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I even have a case for it that already work, right?
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Like, let's do it."
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And I think the case compatibility thing is maybe a big deal.
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And they're talking about people who may be upgrading from an older phone, they could
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just continue to use their 5, 5S accessories.
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And then they're talking about this phone being really popular for people who are new
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to the platform.
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And what was the number?
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30 million 4-inch phones sold last year?
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That's 30 million old phones sold last year.
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That's crazy, right?
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Like, you can see why they're making this device.
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I mean it's only a fraction of two hundred and three million iPhones I think sold in
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total but it's a large number still.
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But it's but think about it if you know they made the argument that the foreign phone is
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popular with people coming to the platform for the first time do you want your newest
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users to be on something that's two to three years old tech wise?
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You don't want them to have the good camera and the speed and Apple pay being a huge addition
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into this phone, like I totally understand
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why they're making it and while it's not for me,
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it is for some people in my life
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and I think it'll be popular.
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You know, I've got some questions
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about the longevity of the design,
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but I think that'll pan out in time
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or it may be that only we care about that
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and maybe Adina is like kind of in the middle,
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but a lot of people, my wife included,
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like she saw it as a benefit that it was,
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you know, basically the same as her 5S
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and you know, she's picking a different color,
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she hasn't had silver before,
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she wants to go silver this time,
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But other than that, I don't think people are gonna care
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as much as maybe we care.
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- The way we left it was that she said,
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maybe I'll get one, a different color,
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and then that will, the trick that we use, right,
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to make it feel new, she might go with that.
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Basically, it's just because it looks like
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the one that she's got, she now wants to go and feel it
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and play around with it.
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And I would be surprised if she ended up
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going with a success, but it was just interesting to me
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that it was such a sure deal, and then it's like,
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"Oh, but now I feel like I have the same phone."
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The problem here, Myke, is that you overhyped your own girlfriend.
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Because you've been an unreliable source of rumors.
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If she was here right now, she would tell you that the overhyping is real.
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It's not your fault, Myke.
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Just in general daily life, I overhype constantly.
01:06:19
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So this is good. I mean, what, $3.99 for 16GB? Okay.
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I want to ask you two. Jason asked me this question.
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So Federico, 16 gigabyte in the iPhone SE for $399.
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Is that a problem? 16 gig?
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Or does it bother you?
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It bothers me.
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Right? It bothers me because 16 gigabytes is just ridiculous.
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I mean, I get it. It's cheaper.
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It's under $400.
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It's under, you know, the threshold of $500, which is good news.
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I think it's a better attempt at a cheaper, not cheap, cheaper phone than the iPhone 5c.
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You know, it looks more classy, it's got the latest tech, but the 16GB just bothers
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me at a conceptual level, you know? Because it's just, it's not a real... I'm just
01:07:12
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going on the record, I don't call it a real iOS experience. When you use a... when you're
01:07:17
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selling people a 16GB phone, the problem isn't people buying these, the problem is Apple
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selling 16GB iPhones. You're giving them an inferior experience, just because they cannot
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enjoy the benefits of having more storage. You know, more video, more games, more apps.
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And I say this because I see my friends, you know, they're on a budget, but they still
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want to use an iPhone, and the base iPhone, which is the iPhone that they can afford,
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which is the iPhone that Apple sells, at 16GB, and they're constantly, constantly battling
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with the deleting apps, deleting games, deleting videos. That's not a good experience. That's
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just ridiculous. And I feel like the problem is in people, you know, because from our position,
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where tech people, we have the money set aside for buying these gadgets, and we're always
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Too often, too quick to judge and say, "Well, you know, those people, they are, you know,
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shame on them, they're dumb because they're buying the 16GB iPhones."
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But that's not the problem.
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The problem is at the beginning, at the source, which is Apple making these phones, let me
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tell you, I don't buy the argument that Apple knows, that Apple, you know, they look at
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the data, they look at the customer feedback, I don't buy that anymore.
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16 gigabytes really bothers me because it's no way to enjoy an iPhone and it's no way
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to sell an iPhone. So it's good news that it's cheaper, but I don't accept the 16 base
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model anymore.
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I mean, we're going to be buying the 64 gig, but I tend to agree with Federico, but with
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the caveat that I think some, I'll get the way some people I know use their phones and
01:09:05
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it maybe isn't a big deal but I think that overall it's a they should move forward from this and
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you know maybe to hit that price point they're doing it whatever but I will be extremely
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disappointed the next flagship phone still carries that 16 gig badge on the back.
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In this phone the SE it doesn't bother me as much just in this phone because it's about budget it's
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the low end of the market.
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Yeah, with the 12 megapixel camera that takes HD photos.
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Yeah, it's a 4K video.
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I know it's ridiculous, right?
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Like I know all of that stuff is ridiculous.
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I wish that it was more,
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but like it doesn't upset me to the level
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that you guys are upset.
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Like it doesn't upset me if they try and do this again
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in the iPhone 7.
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Like if we're coming to the iPhone 7 with 16 gigabyte base,
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like it's just ridiculous.
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Just in this one phone,
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I'm just a little less annoyed about it, personally, than I think you guys and other people.
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It just doesn't really bother me so much considering it's $100 more for $64.
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So it's not a massive jump to get a really good storage.
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And I think if it helps keep it under that $400, then I think that's good because I think
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it should be there and whatever.
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The other thing, the other iPhone related thing I guess is iOS 9.3 is now out.
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I guess there's nothing really new to say that I suppose we haven't already spoken about
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on the show about 9.3.
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Yeah, we've talked about Notes, Night Shift, the iPads and education.
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I think we covered the main points.
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There's a bunch of tweaks, you know, especially with Apple Music, with a few system apps,
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but there's some changes, some more 3D touch quick actions I guess is good news, but yeah,
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I think we covered the main points. And you know it's a pretty stable release,
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I'm pretty happy with it on all my devices, yeah I think it's good, I'm happy that it's out and
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everything's running well on it I think. Yeah and one of the things that Apple doesn't say that I
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heard from a few friends, is that they try to increase performance in some areas of the
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OS, especially Control Center, to bring it back to 60 frames per second on every device,
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which is nice. It's a good release, again, surprisingly feature-rich, given that it's
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a couple of months away from WWDC, we already had 9.1, 9.2, and we were not expecting 9.3,
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which is usually when Apple likes to wrap things up and to say "time to pack it up
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and go to the next OS". They usually do bug fixes and a few maintenance type of things.
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It's sad that we got brand new features here. So it was interesting, but we covered
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it and it's a good release. Especially if you're on an older device, I recommend to
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upgrade because things are supposedly faster on the older side of things.
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of products that we mostly knew were coming a new 9.7 inch iPad Pro was
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announced and it is more or less the 12.9 inch tablet that the three of us enjoy. It
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does the smart connector for the keyboard, pencil support, the new four
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speaker system and it comes with the A9X. It does come with 2 gigs of RAM which is a
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step down but it is obviously a lot fewer pixels to push so maybe that kind
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of comes out in the wash. And it's um you know it's it's a step up from the Air 2
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so basically this thing starts at $599 the Air 2 is still around now at $399 so
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for the first time $499 price point is empty which is interesting. It's you know
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it's I think Apple's pitching it as an upgrade from the air 2 but also hey you
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want all this stuff that the iPad Pro has but you want it in a smaller form
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factor that you know we have that now in many ways it's treating the iPad line in
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my opinion more like the MacBook Air the MacBook Pro where you have a couple
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different machines that are more or less identical but you're going in and
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choosing by size you know I think there's a little bit of a question as
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to what's going on with the iPad Air line, is the iPad Air 2, which said did not get
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an update, still for sales it's been for a long time, is that going to just kind of fade
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away and the pro can maybe come down in price?
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I think that's kind of to be determined, but a new price point, new product, and you know,
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bringing a lot of that stuff that we've enjoyed on our bigger iPads down to the more popular
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tenant size.
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What do you guys think?
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I have a problem with the True Tone display thing.
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- So this is an idea of, I don't know what,
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like better color reproduction, right, in certain areas
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and the display tech itself has got a higher color gamut?
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- Yeah, so it's a couple of things.
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So the iOS devices and laptops and everything
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have had ambient light sensors for years
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and they're using that now to detect the color temperature in the room.
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And if the color temperature is warmer,
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it will match the color temperature of the display.
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So it's kind of riding on the back of what Night Shift is doing a little bit of say,
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hey, we want to go warmer or cooler to match the room and Apple pits it as
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you know, if you have a sheet of paper, the sheet of paper matches the room.
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But if you're in a dark room that's sort of, you know,
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I think they use example like sitting next to a fire.
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You don't want your iPad to be blasting bright blue light in your eyes.
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You want it to be warm and toned down to feel more in tune with the room or whatever language
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So I think it's more about hijacking night shift in a way than necessarily the larger
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color gamut.
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I think the hardware difference is the sensors, not necessarily something built into that
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gamut, but I could be wrong.
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Yeah, I think they've put more sensors in it to make the ambient stuff better.
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Yes, it's the only device with that particular ambient light sensor is how I understand it.
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When you couple this with the difference in the camera, I put a screenshot in the show
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notes. I was looking in the Apple Store app today and I opened the iPad Pro page and they
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have a breakdown of the features of the two devices and it's so confusing. So you have
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Two devices in the same line.
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One of them's bigger than the other one.
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But the smaller one has got a camera of higher megapixels,
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and it's got a better FaceTime,
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and it's got the retina flash.
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And it's talking about true tone display on the resolution.
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I think it's just confusing,
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and I'm not sure why they decided to put these features
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in the small one and not the big one.
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I'm confused about it, and it feels weird to me
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to be introducing a new product in this line, and then immediately splitting the line on
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I don't agree with it, but I think I can explain their reasoning, maybe. I think the perspective
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they're coming from is, the new 9.7" iPad is a smaller iPad, people carry this type
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of iPad around more than they do with the bigger iPad Pro. So because it's more portable,
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because people use it more in sort of mobile scenarios, they walk around, they take pictures,
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it's a more mobile iPad, so we gotta put a better camera in it, and we can have this
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display technology that adapts to different rooms, to different scenarios, because people
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move around with this type of iPad more, so people change contexts with this type of 10"
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iPad more than they do with the 13" type of iPad. I think that's their angle. And they
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also kinda say this on the website, they say "and because people love to carry their 9.7"
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iPad around, we had a display technology for better color, whatever. I think that's their
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angle because it's a smaller iPad, people use it more in mobile situations, so we do
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the better camera and we do the better display. I think that's what they want to say at least.
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I can totally understand that logic. That is the logic that led to the decisions. I
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see that, that I think you are spot on. It's just weird to me when you look at the pages.
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If you think about when the iPad Mini was introduced, it was like same specs, you just
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picked the screen size. I think that would have made a lot more sense here considering
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they did things for the iPad Pro 9.7 which are a bit weird like shrinking the keyboard
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down. So the software keyboard is not as good but then they actually, the smart keyboard
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right? They made a smaller one of those even though it maybe doesn't make as much sense
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on this device as it does on the bigger one. So like you're trying to make them the same
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and then splitting them at the last minute anyway. It's like they went on like a just
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a sharp right turn. For features that are, I don't know how important. So maybe the camera
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I can kind of say fine like whatever but I don't know if they needed to do this True
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tone thing now. They didn't have to do it. No one asked for it. It's great that it's
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there, but you could have just had this as a feature for the next revision of the iPad
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Pro line in a year or two down the line. It's just strange to me, and I think it adds complexity,
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because now it's like you're not just choosing screen size, which I think should be the only
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choice here. You're also choosing other features.
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Yeah. But that's hidden though, right?
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Yeah, I mean I get what both of you are saying, but there is a little sense in me that Federico's
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discussion is a little bit of a backronym, that they sort of worked their way to that,
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and it may be as simple as the technology wasn't ready, they wanted it but it wasn't
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ready, or if this does leverage things in night mode, that the software wasn't ready.
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And that I can buy just as easily as I can buy what Federico said.
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I think there's a lot of factors that go into this.
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I mean, this is not the first time that Apple's done this sort of thing right where they know they sort of split something
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you know sooner than you would like or
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You know, there's that there's an awkward period
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I think my favorite example is that they they rev like the iMac g5 and put an iSight camera in it and then release the
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Intel iMac like
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90 days later
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Very short period time you could buy an iMac g5 with an iSight and if you did
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You were kind of screwed because the Intel one was much better
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I mean Apple does this and I think that they
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For like it's easy to ascribe to them
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Adjectives like being thoughtful and like seeing down the road. I think sometimes they don't and sometimes they just say hey this is it ready?
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Now it's ready. Okay. Now it is let's let's put it in but I agree with you guys
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It definitely doesn't feel good as like an iPad Pro owner, but at the same time
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I'm really glad my iPad doesn't have a camera bump. So I guess that's a trade-off. I'm willing to accept
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Okay, let me let me ask you guys this this is a bigger question, but I want to ask you both
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So is it maybe?
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the time to accept that the age of the
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Simple product line is over that Apple is such a big company selling
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Devices to so many diverse people and countries and you know, you know different types of market segments
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That it's just not feasible anymore to imagine Apple with two computers, two phones and two tablets?
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I think it's inevitable that a company of their size would have the amount of products that they have.
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Like it gets confusing and I think one of the reasons it gets confusing is because
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Apple's really bad at naming in a large product line.
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Like they try and keep it clean, but in keeping it clean make it difficult
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Like in their own video about the iPad Pro they call this iPad Pro
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multiple names
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Like it doesn't have a set name that they give it
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One moment is the new iPad Pro and then it's the iPad Pro 9.7
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Like they don't give them the clear names because they have like such a limited set of names that they're willing to draw from
01:24:17
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So I think that doesn't help them and I think it makes the problem seem worse than it is like
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Earlier in the show we were talking about 1 billion
01:24:31
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You can't just have everybody choose from two things exactly. Yeah, but that's crazy
01:24:36
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like it's obviously not a billion people it's let's say half a billion people
01:24:42
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let's just say I mean it's not that it's much bigger it's probably like three
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quarters but I want the iPad Pro I don't want the iPad Air I don't want the 9.7
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iPad Pro I want the one that I have and I'm happy that they make it so I'm happy
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that they split the line into more products now I just think that they have
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ways to go to still to make it clearer from a branding and naming perspective
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and to make it clearer on features and again that goes back to what we were
01:25:13
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talking about earlier about again like the hard disk drives in the iMacs like
01:25:17
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that is a level of complexity in that product decision that shouldn't be there
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like you shouldn't even make that a question in people's mind like if they
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want to downgrade their Mac and put a hard drive in it to save money great but
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Like, when you put them in your store window, you don't put hard drives as one of the configuration
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It just makes no sense.
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Like, I think that they have so much stuff that they have to do, like they lose it in
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I think this is one of those, again, like you've had this product out for a few months,
01:25:50
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there's now another one, but you put them side by side, you list their features, and
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like it looks like a... it makes the buying decision more confusing.
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So what you're saying is, part of that is a name problem, just because the names are
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kind of weird.
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And the other part is, there are some features that are maybe too old for them to be a valid
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choice at this point.
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And you're just making people confused.
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I actually think part of it is, this kind of sounds weird so bear with me for a moment,
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is them having a little bit too much pride in their product innovation.
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They put the True Tone display out now because it's ready and they like it and they think
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it's great, when they could have waited.
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But they want to have it out because it's awesome, but you could have just waited and
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it would have been fine.
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Would you regret shipping the True Tone display now or not shipping it?
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Because to me it seems more like it's more of a problem for you or for me because we
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don't have the True Tone Display on the iPad Pro that we like, then it is for people who
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do want the small iPad Pro.
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So much of this about the True Tone Display is laced in the fact that I'm throwing my
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toys out of the pram because everybody's getting something that I don't have.
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But it is one of those things where it's like "I just bought this.
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Like I just bought it."
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It wasn't a year ago, but it was what, like three months ago?
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Okay, so maybe a little bit longer.
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We're getting to the sixth month area, which maybe means it's not so bad.
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But you know, it's just like, I just wonder, like, my main thing about it now is just,
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it was looking at that screenshot today.
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I mean, it's actually laid out pretty badly on the page anyway.
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It is, it is.
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But like, you look at it, it's like, oh, one of these is a whole line longer.
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There's different numbers all over the place.
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There must be some differences.
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Yeah, like I looked at it, I was like, what's happening?
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I did the same yesterday.
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It's like, just tighten it up.
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Just keep it tight.
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They've always had that issue, and I
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think it's sort of inherent to the subject matter when
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the differences are technical.
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How do you explain that?
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And even when they do, it's like, True Tone Display,
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it's like, well, what does that actually mean if I haven't
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already read the product page?
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I think their problem is they are a systemically small
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product line company with a big product line.
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I think part of Apple still thinks they have that four product grid in place.
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I was just about to say that some people, either within Apple or outside Apple,
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still have some sort of fascination with the Steve Jobs grid of four products.
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But it's not that way anymore, clearly.
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And maybe the other part of the problem is that sometimes the names are just too fancy.
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I mean, I know it sounds dumb, but call it the small iPad Pro and the big iPad Pros,
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people can understand.
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iPad Pro and iPad Pro Mini, it's a mouthful, but that really would have told you what they
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You know, true tone display, I mean, just call it, you know, better color display. I
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know that they sound kind of dumb, but people want to like, look at a table and know what
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it means. You know, I'm looking, true tone display, okay, what does it mean true tone?
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You know, I'm saying tone, what's a tone, you know? Are we talking about music? You
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That kind of stuff. People don't understand. And maybe sometimes, while they do fail, to
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an extent, at presentation. You're showing two lists side by side, there's no easy way
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to see what's different. Sometimes they do have an over-complex naming matrix. So they
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have these fancy names and what do they even mean. And maybe the other part of the problem
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is with us, that many of us in the tech scene, we do like pretty tables, we do like neat
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lists, you know, we do like to have it simple, you know, it's either computer A, computer
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B, phone 1, phone 2, we're done. But, you know, these companies, it's not just Apple,
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Microsoft, Google, Amazon, they do sell across the globe.
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And people are different.
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The world is not the valley.
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The world is vast and large, and different people
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need different things.
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And it's almost absurd that we have to say this.
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But Apple's product line is not made for Silicon Valley.
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I think that's safe to say.
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And so it kind of makes sense, you know, to have...
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There's a tweet going around, it's kind of viral,
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of someone saying, you know,
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"When Steve Jobs came back to Apple,
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he needed to simplify the product line."
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The big difference is, you know,
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Apple now sells to billions of people,
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and when Steve Jobs came back, they were almost bankrupt.
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So that's just a tiny difference.
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- Yeah, I think that referring it to that now
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is a bit weird, like I don't know.
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- Yeah, it's a bit weird.
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- But Apple do it themselves though, right?
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was at WWDC last year when they showed that thing of all the products on the side and
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they're like, "This is all we sell. It's one slide."
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Yeah. So there's 19 iPads back there.
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You've just laid 19 up and we can only see one, right? If you shifted one, you'd start
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to see them all like dominoes in the distance. But this is what I mean. They are the small
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product line company with a big product line. They just can't seem to break that. We've
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got such a huge diversion.
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I would say there's one last thing to sort of,
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well, one and a half little things left to consider is one--
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- Two things.
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- Two things.
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One, when Apple has introduced new hardware features
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to iOS devices, they generally do it one at a time.
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So like, even today, 3D Touch and Touch ID
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still only on one phone.
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When they added, I mean, that's still an example
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I can think of, but there are other examples, right?
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They move sort of slowly in this area,
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And maybe that's a yield thing,
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maybe it's that they wanna make sure it sticks, who knows?
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But secondly, again, like what I talked about
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when we opened the segment,
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like they have moved into treating the iPad like a notebook
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or like a computer, like the Mac.
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And there's a 21 1/2 inch and a 27 inch iMac.
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And there's a whole bunch of range in there
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and you can customize it to a degree,
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but there's one device and two classes.
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And I think really that they are just trying to treat the iPad differently.
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They treat it like the iPhone for so long and clearly that doesn't work.
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And now we have the iPad air two, which is, you know, when they are to come out
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2014, I guess a year and a half old now and they haven't updated it, but that's
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fine because it's still a really capable tablet and maybe they are slowing it down
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and are treating it differently because their current path hasn't worked.
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And if this is, you know, it's confusing now,
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but I think ultimately, like maybe we're coming at this
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from the iPhone perspective,
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and we should be coming at it from the Mac and saying,
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hey, you know what you want to map a care of which size?
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And you know what, even between the 11 and 13 share,
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there are differences.
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And this is, feels weird right now
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because it's still kind of new to the iPad line.
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But my guess is that in a couple of years
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that this will feel kind of like how the iPad's always been.
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But we are in this transition of,
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not necessarily products even, but a transition of language around the iPad
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and Apple hasn't figured all that out yet. Like you said, they call it different
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things at different points. But I think they'll get there and I think that
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ultimately, whether this works or not, I don't know, but I think ultimately it will
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sort of congeal into something that makes more sense for more people.
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Alright, so the camera has a bump. It does. It has a picture lens. Matthew
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Pansarino took some photos and a little video to try and indicate the fact that
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when laid out on a desk the bump doesn't seem to make the iPad wobble. This is
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like a quick sidebar. There doesn't seem to be an embargo on these products which
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is really weird. Interesting yeah. I don't know what that means I assume it's just
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because they're kind of visent like these aren't like massive products. Yeah
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Yeah, just do whatever.
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Just like whatever, take pictures, just go crazy.
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Maybe Apple are testing this approach with these products.
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What happens if you just say like, "Three, two, one, go!"
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And the first one to write the review is the winner.
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I don't know what you win, but you win something.
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I'm surprised that we haven't already seen a review today from a big site.
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Seriously, that's a surprise to me that there hasn't been one yet.
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Maybe it's like an arms race.
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the new smaller keyboard. There's a bunch of cases, smart cases and smart covers for
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the 9.7 inch iPad Pro that are in a load of lovely colors. The 12.9, still gray and white.
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I don't know what's going on there.
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Makes me sad.
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Yeah, it makes me very sad.
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Yeah, because the big one is for work and work is all gray and serious.
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It's the fun professional iPad, the serious professional iPad.
01:35:20
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you layouts for the keyboard yet? Federico, did Apple tell you this or was it the software
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keyboard they said would have international layout?
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The smart keyboard would have international layouts, but it doesn't seem to be the case
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That has not happened, has it?
01:35:34
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Nope. Okay, that's good to know. Let's talk about this USB camera adapter. Phil Schiller
01:35:39
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called out on stage that you could power a mic from this new USB camera adapter. So I
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I just wanted to address this with you guys.
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Uh, there's still other stuff that we need.
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This is a significant step forward in being able to produce podcasts on an iPad.
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Because in theory, I could use the microphone equipment that I currently use.
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That could go the same with all of us on our iPads now, which we couldn't do before.
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Cause we have boxes that need to be powered.
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It'd be great for voiceover stuff, right?
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you're recording something locally, singing or doing video work or something, it's great.
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Because now you can use basically any USB hub in theory. I mean I don't know how powerful this is.
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I'm gonna try it. I ordered one of these USB adapters. I'm gonna try it with my USB pre
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when it comes in. I think it may work but we'll see. But there is a big part, actually a bigger
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part really, because there's still USB microphones you could use before this thing, which is
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applications being able to be in place that you could have a conversation like this either via
01:36:50
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FaceTime or via Skype and also record local audio and the call audio like you can do on a Mac.
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Like there needs to be multiple audio streams that can all be recorded by applications.
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This doesn't exist in iOS. Jason is very hopeful that Phil Schiller calling out podcasting on stage
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means they're maybe going to work on this, like that was a specific thing to reference.
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Fingers crossed, because genuinely, I think people think I don't want this to happen,
01:37:22
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because they think that I restrict you Federico. No, that's not, it's never really been the case,
01:37:29
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and that's not the case anymore. Anyway, my feeling was always like, with how it has been,
01:37:34
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I just don't want to have to go through that because I know that you and Fraser record this because Fraser Fraser does does the
01:37:42
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Two device setup. I just don't like it because then I have to hear a lower quality
01:37:48
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version of you when we stream live everybody else will hear a low quality version of you because what Fraser's does and what people say
01:37:56
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That you can do which you can is record like to use a Skype call over and I found with a headset like that is perfectly
01:38:02
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doable but I just don't think it is the setup that I want to use or that I want you to use
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and I know you don't either.
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When I want to have my phone free so you know if there's an emergency people can call me
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even if I'm podcasting you know if something serious happens I want to be reachable at
01:38:21
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any time so I don't want to use my phone.
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No. So fingers crossed, iOS 10 brings more audio APIs and more capabilities for audio.
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Because I would really love to be able to take a trip and just be able to record using
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my iPad. Like I wouldn't do it at home. I'm not going to do it at home. Like me, I have
01:38:45
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this great Mac set up here. Everything works the way exactly that I want it to be. But
01:38:49
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if I'm recording on location or I'm away from this and I want to be able to record something,
01:38:53
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It'd be great to do a podcast just using my iPad and some equipment that I can put in
01:38:57
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That would be A++.
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And I would be totally happy personally with you doing it then after we've done some tests.
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Fingers crossed.
01:39:06
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But Federico, you bought the most exciting product announced in the event.
01:39:09
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Well, I mean, I think it's safe to say this is the real deal from the event, which is
01:39:15
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the 29W USB-C adapter with the new USB-C to Lightning cable, which as Apple lovely explains
01:39:25
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on the website, you can now use for fast charging on the bigger iPad Pro. So not on the new
01:39:33
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9.7 inch, on the traditional 12.9 inch iPad Pro, you can rely on faster charging. I already
01:39:41
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use the 12W adapter that Apple gives you with the iPad Pro. But even faster charging sounds
01:39:50
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even better to me, so I bought the set, so the adapter and the cable, it's shipping
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in 3 to 5 days, so hopefully next week I will have my fancy charging setup. Which is really
01:40:04
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exciting, you know? Hopefully, the iPad Pro changes real slowly, because it's got a
01:40:09
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big battery. Hopefully with this thing I can go you know just a couple of hours
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for a full charge we'll see.
01:40:16
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Alright so the iPad Pro 9.7 starts at 32 gigabytes for $599 and then it goes to
01:40:22
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128 for $749 and 256 gigabytes for $899 and Steven you mentioned a little bit
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earlier about the price difference here to the Air.
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Yeah I mean I think they're pitching it as a more serious high-end product and
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And I mean, that makes sense right there too.
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And it is not only older,
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which I don't think much people care about,
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but you look at this thing,
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a little bit more money,
01:40:48
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I guess $200 more,
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you get pencil and keyboard support
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and you get speakers. - Four and a half or $200.
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- Yeah. (laughing)
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I mean, either they couldn't hit the $499 price point,
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which maybe they couldn't,
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or they wanted to make a statement
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that this is a different machine than what it replaced.
01:41:07
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- Oh no, I mean, you get pencil and keyboard support
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when you lay out another $200.
01:41:12
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- Right, and so the question for me is,
01:41:14
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if they could have hit $499,
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would they have replaced the Air 2,
01:41:19
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or the Air 2 still have gone down in price?
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I think the Air still would have gone down in price
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because Apple seems to want an iPad
01:41:25
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at every conceivable price point right now.
01:41:29
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But is it gonna replace the Air 2 eventually?
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Are we gonna have the iPad Mini and then the iPad Air
01:41:35
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and then two models of Pro?
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Like I said earlier, it's a transition.
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I just don't know where they're transitioning to yet.
01:41:41
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So I guess we'll just see over the course of time
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what, how this shakes out.
01:41:45
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- Bringing the Air 2 down to 399 is weird
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because they didn't move the Mini 4.
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- Oh, do they not?
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Is it the same price? - No.
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The Mini 4 is 399.
01:41:53
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- That is, and it's not as good as the Air 2, right?
01:41:55
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Or are they the same now?
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- They're pretty much the same, I think.
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- It's just smaller.
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- Then the iPad Mini 2 is now 269.
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- I can't believe they still sell that thing.
01:42:06
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Well, it's the new iPad Air 2, right? Like it stays around for a while.
01:42:11
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Oh yeah, my gosh, yeah.
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Are any of us gonna buy the 9 7?
01:42:17
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All right, Federico, why are you not getting it?
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Because the benefits that it supposedly brings are not as essential to me as what the bigger
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iPad Pro does, which is 2GB of more RAM. And I know, I know, it's got a bigger display,
01:42:33
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maybe those two gigs are only useful for the bigger display, but I like to future-proof
01:42:39
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my purchases. I like to know that I'm using the most powerful hardware around. I mean,
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if I were a Mac user, I'd totally buy the most powerful Mac I could, because I just
01:42:49
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want to have the most powerful tool I can afford for what I need to do. And also, really,
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I love iOS on the bigger display. I wouldn't be able to go back to a smaller iOS that it's
01:43:03
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just with split view that it's not as comfortable to use, I do love the experience on the bigger
01:43:09
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iPad Pro. And then it's just what the 9.7" iPad Pro brings, the True Tone display and
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the better camera, I just don't care. Night shift is enough for me to balance the white
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colors of the UI. I don't take pictures with the iPad Pro, so I don't really care about
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the camera. For those reasons I'm going to stick with the bigger iPad Pro because it's
01:43:36
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more powerful, it's more comfortable. And it's actually more comfortable because it's
01:43:41
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bigger. Because the iOS experience is bigger, the apps are bigger, the split view is easier
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to use, so I'm going to stick with that.
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I am appealed by the portability of the 9.7, like just it being able to be easier to put
01:44:00
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like in places and carry around and it'd be lighter and stuff but, you know like the idea
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of being able to hold my iPad in one hand really really easily like I can and I do hold
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my Pro in one hand but like being able to just, I don't know, put my hand around the
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whole thing and write on it and walk around like it just be more secure, it'd be nice
01:44:20
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But I remember the reason I love iPad in general is because of the screen size of the iPad Pro,
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the 12.9. I have an Air 2, it's sitting right here, and I started to come around to that with
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split view. I was like, "Oh, this is nice, this is nice." But what tipped me over the edge was
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the 12.9 inch screen. Like that was the last kind of bastion to fall for me to really show
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the usefulness of what these devices can be. And this was underscore for me this morning,
01:44:45
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and I was sitting downstairs on my sofa and I was working and I was flicking between applications
01:44:51
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as I do now going from one thing to the other and splitting them in half and you know typing in one
01:44:56
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copy and paste in the other I'm like I'm not going back from this screen size. Two full size apps
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side by side pretty much like you have to pry that away from my content hands now like I love the way
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that that works and this this 12 9 screen size I can't see me moving away
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from that for quite some time. But Steven I know that you're maybe not as deep
01:45:21
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into this and you've always been a you've always liked that 9 7 size you
01:45:26
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don't think you're not even tempted? No I mean for the reasons that you two both
01:45:32
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laid out so well but also the software keyboard is yeah finally I can type on a
01:45:38
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iOS device comfortably and that's a big deal for me like you know not knowing
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how this new smart keyboard is you know maybe that would change my mind a little
01:45:48
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bit but I've gotten really good at the software keyboard if the thing is in
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landscape and the size is really what unlocked you know kind of being able to
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do some work on the thing and yes there's you know obviously pain points in
01:46:04
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the software still like this new Air won't have the problem of apps being
01:46:08
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upscaled like the Facebook app still or like Google Drive was or Google Docs was
01:46:12
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until very recently but for me like you Myke what's different about the 12.9
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inch is what has made me use the iPad more and so to give that up to something
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that I would like to be more portable I would love to have an iPad I could use
01:46:28
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in bed comfortably and one of these days I'm gonna rage buy an iPad Mini to solve
01:46:32
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that problem but until then it is
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tempting for that sort of use but when I
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think about what makes this iPad sticky
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for me in my workflow it's all about the
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screen size. I tell you about the keyboard
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one thing I want to know is if the 9.7
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pro has a split keyboard?
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Hmm that's a good question. It has the old
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iPad keyboard like the Air 2 has
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so my guess is that it does and that
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they did that as a size thing but you ought to go ask Panzerino but he could tell you.
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I'm sure he could. Alright that wraps it up for this week's episode. If you want to find
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our show notes head on over to relay.fm/connected/83. Thanks again to Membeful, Squarespace and igloo
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for supporting this week's episode. You can head on over to 512pixels.net for all of Stephen's work
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and lots of stuff about old computers and some stuff about new computers. You can head on over
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to MacStories.net and you can find out things about apps and new computers. This is really
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like falling apart for me. Touchscreen computers. Touchscreens, yeah lots of touchscreen stuff
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and some not touchscreen stuff and you can go to michaelsright.com for like just some
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weird stuff really. I don't even know what goes there. I am @imichaelsright on Twitter
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I am YKE, Steven is at ISMH, Federico is at Vitiici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I.
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They will be back next week, I'm not here again, I'm sorry, I do love you all, I want
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you to know that.
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I will come back the week after, I promise.
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Until then, say goodbye guys.
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Arrivederci.