89: The People v. Myke Hurley
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From Reebay FM, this is Connected, episode number 89.
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Today's show is brought to you by Braintree and Squarespace.
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My name is Myke Hurley.
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I had the pleasure of being joined by Mr Federico Vittici.
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- Hi Myke. - Hello Federico.
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How are you doing?
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- I'm doing great, how are you?
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- I am very well and I am very happy.
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Steven has returned to us.
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- I am back.
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Did you find what you were looking for?
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Well, it turns out I was just looking for you, Myke.
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So I came back.
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I mean, we told all of our listeners where you were last week hunting IMAX.
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Yeah, it's not entirely true.
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I am picking up the last one today, though.
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Exactly, see?
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The hump was on.
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Today, this afternoon, so I will have all 13.
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There's a photo from Instagram in the show notes of 12 of the 13 this weekend.
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So it's almost done.
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and have the first video up hopefully by the next time we record the show.
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Have you ever watched Dragon Ball, the anime, Steven?
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I am familiar with it, yes.
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When they collect all of the seven Dragon Balls, they can invoke the dragon.
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You should do a similar ritual with the IMAX, maybe you can invoke Steve Jobs.
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Well, that would be something, wouldn't it?
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I mean, you're looking to make a YouTube video, that would be a bit of a success.
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That would definitely increase my YouTube revenue from the $17 it is right now.
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You could at least make $19.
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YouTube revenue is a disaster.
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It's a dumpster fire.
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I have a spreadsheet of things I spend money on and how much money I make from things,
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and the YouTube sheet or tab in that Google spreadsheet is just... it's not good.
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Well, I mean, it's gonna be horrific now that you have a plethora of computers to deal with.
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I mean, I only spent money on like half of them.
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Oh, that's okay then.
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Did you, uh, did you work out what you're doing with them when this is all done?
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Like when I'm done with the videos?
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I have an idea.
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You should do a scavenger hunt in Memphis.
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So you place each iMac in a secret location, and then you gather a bunch of connector listeners
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to come to Memphis and do a scavenger hunt to find all of the IMAX.
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But then what? The idea is people get to keep them? Nobody wants them.
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No, no, you get to keep them. It's just a funny way to engage listeners.
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Very expensive. Details, details.
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Listeners fly to Memphis, which is expensive to fly in and out of, and you could drive
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around in a city and find a 40-pound computer and then you have to bring it back to me and
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then you can leave.
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There's no prize.
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There's no prize.
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Just a pat on the head.
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I may have to do something to counter y'all's rogue European connected meetup.
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Oh yeah, there's news on that front.
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The event is bigger now.
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I sent out this morning about another 80 tickets to the waiting list.
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We have increased the size of the venue.
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We cannot make it any bigger than this, so don't sign up anymore if you haven't got
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an email from us saying you have a ticket you probably won't get one but
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that yeah that's all going ahead and it's going crazy I will mention this
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later on but if you're coming to the event please buy a few drinks because
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otherwise we will be given a big bill at the end so please bear that in mind
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please also drink responsibly drink responsibly but buy a lot of them you
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can get them away if you want like but yeah just remember those two things buy lots of drinks
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and drink responsibly. That is what we're all about.
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The two things are not mutually exclusive, you know?
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Exactly. This event, I'm very excited about it, but I'm probably a little bit overwhelmed by the amount of people that are coming.
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Yeah, it's a lot of people, Myke.
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Well, we have issued 150 tickets to this event.
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What are we gonna do?
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That's bigger than the WBC venue.
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I know. Well, we have a bigger venue. It's cheaper in London.
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I don't really know what we're gonna do. I guess hug people or something?
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I mean there's gonna be 150 people and two of us.
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What if they put us in the middle and they decide to do nasty things to us?
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I'm trying not to worry about that.
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Is it called the drawing room for some reason? Like do people have to
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bring Apple pencils and iPads and do sketches?
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No, a drawing room is like a fancy room with nice chairs and books and stuff and
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and we have a private bar and a roof terrace.
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- But it's gonna be fun.
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- And there's gonna be a lot of people.
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- If you sign up for the waiting list,
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please check your email.
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We're very excited to see everybody there
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on the 10th of June.
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Stephen, follow up.
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- Yes, it is time to do some follow up.
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And we're going to start with a tweet
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put forth by listener Robert.
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And Robert asked, "Is the Apple Watch
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"becoming like the iPod?
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"iPod was a multi-platform gateway for PC users
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entering the Apple ecosystem and then he follows his tweet saying Apple watch
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for Android. So I think I want to divide this into two sections of comments. What
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Robert is talking about is the iPod halo effect. This idea that the iPod was so
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great. And you think about it in the heyday of the iPod like 2003, 2004, 2005, the pre-iPhone era.
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The iPod was so great and when they released it for Windows and had iTunes
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for Windows the Steve Jobs quote is like handing someone in hell a glass of ice
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unfortunately that ice water was laced with iTunes so not so great but um the
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idea that this iPod is so great the Mac must be great and the Mac really
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benefited and Apple really benefited from this effect the iPod would bring
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people into the ecosystem and the next time they needed a computer they buy a
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that is definitely a thing that happened with the iPod. I am not sure, in fact I'm
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pretty sure that it can't happen with the watch for a couple of reasons. One,
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the watch is not nearly as good as the iPod was in its heyday. At what it's
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supposed to do. At what it's supposed to do. Like the hardware is great except for
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the weird button I don't know what to do with but it's not this like runaway
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product the iPod was currently at least
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in the same sense of the iPod was
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where you could you could have the iPod
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operating as a solo Apple device in a
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completely PC environment because the
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watch is married to the iPhone of
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course then he asked was Apple watch
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going to come for Android I don't I
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don't see that happening
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I think that Apple thinks the watch is
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really precious and that letting someone
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with a Android phone use it seems like something they're not willing to do. I
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could be wrong but it just doesn't strike me as something the company is
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going to do. I think as well something worth remembering is like Apple put the
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iPod on Windows, it gave it Windows support because Apple were in a very
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different scenario to how they are now and they kind of needed it right they
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needed to put if they wanted to sell more iPods they had to have Windows
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support so they could get to Windows users. There are lots of iPhones in the world. Apple
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would be very happy if they even sold an Apple Watch to 10% of those people. They don't need
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to start putting it on Android. They already have a big enough customer base to sell it
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to. That's an excellent point. The Halo effect
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isn't really something that they're looking for right now.
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No. And there can't be a Halo effect, as you said, when somebody who buys an Apple Watch
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is already in the ecosystem. They already have an iPhone. It doesn't really work out
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that way. There's also two fundamental differences from the past. The first one is that I wonder
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how many premium Android phone owners haven't already moved to an iPhone. Apple likes to
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argue that they've captured a lot of the premium Android market with Android switchers who
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have moved from Samsung or, you know, a premium high-end HTC to an iPhone. But the second
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point is, the Apple Watch, unlike the iPod, it's really dependent on features that are
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just for the iPhone. So you could buy an iPod and you could connect it to iTunes on Windows
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and it would be mostly the same iTunes. You know, you can sync songs, you can manage playlists
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and it's really the same program on Windows as it is on the Mac. But with the Apple Watch,
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a lot of the iPhone features such as HealthKit or Touch ID or many other system integrations
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are not available on Android. So it would be a subpar experience. It wouldn't be the
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real Apple Watch experience that you get with an Apple Watch and an iPhone with an Apple
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watch an Android phone. Plus there are also a selection of really good Android Wear watches
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available for Android users. I don't really see why an Android phone user would be like
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"Ah, the Apple Watch looks so good I'm going to switch to the iPhone." They would just
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buy an Android Wear watch, of which there are many really great ones, really really
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good looking devices that have good functionality. So it's a good point, it's a good kind of
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thought experiment, but I just think that fundamentally the situation is very very different
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now to what it was in like 2004.
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Yeah, it's interesting too comparing the size of the Apple Watch market to the iPod market
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and you know Apple like hid the Apple Watch in the sort of other category so they haven't
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really said specifically how many units they've sold, how much money they've made, but there
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was a link on Daring Fireball just the other day talking about this and there's a bit
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from Gruber that the iPod never generated more than four billion dollars in revenue
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in a quarter including holiday quarters and that the iPad generated more revenue for Apple
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last quarter than the iPod ever did even in its heyday.
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It's not comparing iPod to Apple Watch but iPod to iPad kind of you know putting things
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in perspective a little bit that while the iPod was huge in the early 2000s in today's
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scale of Apple the company's grown so much the iPod you know relatively speaking wouldn't
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be that big today and so this idea too that like you know the watch could could generate
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the sort of revenue or the sort of impact for Apple really should be taken with a grain
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of salt that you know we kind of you all spoke about it last week with the
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quarterly results the iPad is still falling and even compared to the iPad
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where it is today the iPod was never as big so just it's all like it I agree
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with you guys it's interesting thread of conversation but it's sort of like saying
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that the iPod socks created a halo effect for the iPod like it's it's sort
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of the wrong direction I found some iPod socks recently yeah I got a whole pack
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yep that's what I found except the green one the green one has an iPod in it
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somewhere in the world.
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>> Just gone.
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>> I know it's, I know that I have an iPod in one of those, I just don't know where the
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iPod is. Maybe it's in my sock drawer.
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>> A couple of weeks ago, we were fretting a little bit about smart devices and kind
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of the future of them, right? You know, we were talking about issues at Nest and stuff
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like that. A piece of news that came out in the last week is that Nokia, for reasons unknown,
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has bought WiThings.
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Yeah, and this is just one of those things where it's like I'm sure that Nokia have bought them because they can't make phones anymore
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So they're buying a company that does smart devices
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but this is just one of those instances where you know if if
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Twitter gets bought by Facebook. It doesn't really affect me in the long run. It's like okay a company owns this company
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They're gonna do whatever they're gonna do with it
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But if a company buys another company whose devices I have in my home to control my light switches and to turn my
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alarm clock on and off
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any changes that get made are going to affect me in a bigger way and
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I think that this is like an unfortunate reality that we're in now that we're allowing
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technology companies to embed themselves further and further into our homes
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Yeah, it's I mean
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Nokia like I mean, I don't know what they're up to these days, but well, this is what they're doing now
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Like they're just how can we ride a wave that isn't smartphones because we're not allowed to make them
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Yeah, there's that
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your comment about you know having something that's like embedded in your home or like
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Pivotal to like the your security or your family safety or something. They're definitely like makes me think
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I don't know if I said this but now I've got a nest thermostat and
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and I've already had thoughts,
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like if we move at some point,
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like do I put another Nest thermostat up?
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And like they're part of the Alphabet family of companies,
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but there's been so much turmoil over there.
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It really makes you wonder about something
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that is like actually wired into your home,
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like what happens if this company goes away?
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You know, and I have a couple of YThings products.
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I've got the watch, which we've spoken about,
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and I've got the smart scale,
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which I think Federico, you have as well?
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I have the Smart Body Analyzer. It's the name.
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That thing. And both of those products are great and their software is pretty good and
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I've been a happy customer of theirs. So I hope that Nokia allows them just to continue
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doing their thing, but it'll be yet another kind of Internet of Things type company to
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now worry about.
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Yeah, it's like there's nothing to say that Nokia isn't going to do amazing things now
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that they know why things and there's nothing to say that they're not going to keep all
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their apps and services running, but there's a possibility of it.
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We actually don't know and that's kind of the uncertainty which isn't fantastic.
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Like I've been thinking, I have a camera in my home now, the Canary, it could get bought
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by another company and they could shut it down or whatever, like I could get some terms
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the service change and then all of my images are uploaded somewhere.
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It's interesting now that we're actually kind of inviting these technology companies
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in, the things that they do and the changes that they make can have a bigger effect on
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I am very happy that, you know, I've been well known actually to in the past make many
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errors when it comes to typing things.
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So there is even a website of my autocorrect issues called Mykechats.xyz.
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It is a Tumblr which people can submit to, which happens a lot.
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It is a thing that I do.
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There was a patent that came out, I saw this on The Verge this week.
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Apple has patented an idea to display to somebody the autocorrect issues.
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Say for example you get a text message and a word doesn't seem to make any sense.
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it's been auto-corrected.
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The idea from looking at this patent is
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that you could press a button
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and it would show you the recipient of that weird message,
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the other things that could have been said.
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Does that make sense?
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- So it's like a way for Apple to display to people
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and maybe in the messages app and elsewhere,
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hopefully what you're trying to say.
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And I think that this is fun.
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I think that it's cool of Apple
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if they're looking to get involved in this kind of meme.
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and I would like to see something like this.
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- Yeah, I think it makes sense.
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I mean, from the sender point of view,
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in some places, Apple already does show you
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where autocorrect applies,
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you know, when you get the little blue dots
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under the word, is that when you see
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the autocorrect in effect?
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- Yeah, that's when a word has been corrected.
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- Yeah, and maybe, you know, this could be a way
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to bring that on the other side of a conversation
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and to show you an actual interface,
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I think it makes sense.
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It could be fun.
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- 'Cause even if it doesn't show the correct word,
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at least what it does is indicates to someone
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that this word might be wrong.
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- And that could be very valuable.
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- Yeah, it shows you what the other person might mean
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with what they typed.
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- So I like the sound of this. - It makes sense.
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- I think it could be fun.
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And I think you could,
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this is like one of those silly little features
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that you could package up in quite a nice way, right?
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It could be like a funny little thing that you could demo
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and it might make just a little change for people.
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I think it's kind of cool.
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- Yeah, it could go together with some improvements
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of the system keyboard as well.
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So I think it makes sense.
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- I really, really wish for that.
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I know we haven't spoken about that much recently
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and I'm sure we will soon,
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but for there to be a change to the system keyboard handling,
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- Yeah. - I would love that greatly.
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Last thing I just wanted to mention,
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I have a, I bought another Apple Pencil
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for my second iPad Pro.
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And I bought another sticker for it.
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So if you remember, I had a pencil sticker.
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Like make it look like a pencil.
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Somebody sent me a link to a website called slickwraps.com.
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I bought my previous pencil sticker from dbrand.
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Slickwraps have lots and lots of options
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for pencil stickers.
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I bought one which is a green Crayola crayon.
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And I've applied it and it's awesome.
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This is obviously very not correct, if that makes sense.
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Like they have not asked Crayola, I'm sure,
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to use their branding, but I think it's fantastic.
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And so now I have a yellow HP pencil
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and a green Crayola crayon.
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- So I wanted to ask you, Myke,
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How's the people reaction to your dual iPad setup going?
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Are we looking for a future,
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the people versus my Curly series,
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or are people just accepting your setup at this point?
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- Gotta say Federico, overall,
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I'm getting a lot more positive,
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I have done this, this is awesome,
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than I am, you are crazy.
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- Interesting.
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people seem to be more weirdly accepting of this than they were of the 6 Plus.
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Which doesn't really make sense to me,
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but I'm very happy that people are getting it.
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I'm getting a lot of people just say to me that they have gone for an iPad Pro
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and they are very happy with it, and I'm getting a lot of people send me pictures on
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Twitter and stuff
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of multiple iPads in use. So I'm very happy that people are getting on
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board of the multiple iPad lifestyle.
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everything went better than expected.
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- Yep, that's my favorite kind of thing.
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All right so Federico something has happened with Apple Music that I don't fully understand
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it seems like it would be a good thing but it's kind of confusing there's a new API?
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So with iOS 9.3, Apple introduced a bunch of new Apple Music APIs.
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But only last week I think they kind of promoted the API through the iTunes affiliate newsletter
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and they also included more links to documentation and best practices for developers.
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So yes, there's some new stuff in iOS 9.3.
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What you might come across as a user is a new permission screen under privacy, I think
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Media or Media Library, it's a permission setting to grant apps access to your Apple
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Music library.
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And what this does is, first apps can look into your Apple Music subscription, see if
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you're a member, and see which country you're based in, and they can also look up playlists
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in your account, they can add songs to a playlist.
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So as a user you can already see this in action, for example in I think in Shazam, and I don't
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know if SoundHound already has this integration, but basically now when you recognize a song
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with Shazam you can then go into the song details and you can add the song to a playlist.
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So Shazam has been doing this for Spotify for years now, and now it's also possible
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for Apple Music.
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There are some limitations to this.
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You cannot, as a developer, build a full-on replacement for the Apple Music app
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just because these APIs are kind of limited. You can look up
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a song's information just by product ID, so you cannot build a full Music app replacement
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on iOS. You can access playlists, you can access user information,
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you can see if you're a member. There's going to be some interesting utilities for Apple
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Music coming out, I'm testing a bunch right now, but it's still not possible to say "I
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want to allow users to search the entire Apple Music" or "I want to allow users to see the
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4U recommendations in a third-party client", that's still not possible. If you look at
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something like Sonos, Sonos lets you see the top charts, lets you search, lets you view
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for your recommendations, custom playlists from the Apple Music staff, that's still
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not possible with the API.
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Sonos did a close partnership with Apple, so that's still not available to developers.
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But it's the beginning of something, hopefully.
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And of course, this is only on iOS.
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Would it be possible for somebody to develop with this API a new music discovery app?
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So they look at the music that you have and suggest new things for you to add?
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Well developers have been able to look into the full user library for a long time and
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kind of crucially enough that's still not protected by the new permission toggle.
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So the new permission toggle is only in place to let developers manage playlists essentially.
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There's a bunch of apps, for example the new song shift that can look into your music library
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and export it back to Spotify, that media library access, that's still not protected
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by the privacy screen.
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So the privacy screen is protecting write access, not read access.
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Okay, that's weird.
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And it allows apps to put media into playlists, that kind of stuff.
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I think what we're looking for is the beginning of a more solid API to allow new music experiences,
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But I don't think Apple wants to enable developers to build a full replacement.
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So to take, for example, the four-year recommendations and to put them in a separate third-party
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I don't feel that's totally my speculation, but I don't feel like that's what Apple
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They're just bringing more features to allow developers of music utilities, such as Shazam
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or exporting utilities to do more, but not to build the full replacement.
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Are you happy with this API?
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Yeah, I'm doing a bunch of cool things with the new Apple Music API.
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And if only the fact that apps like SongShift can now export back and forth playlists from
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Spotify to Apple Music and vice versa, that's cool, that's useful.
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And it works well.
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So I think I'm happy, yeah.
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They could do more, but that's a good place to start.
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Maybe this is just the beginning of it though, right?
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I mean it would be awesome to see the full access that they gave Sonos, but that's a
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partnership because of the speakers and all of that stuff.
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So for now I think it's mostly okay.
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I would like to see a privacy toggle for read access.
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That's what I would like to see.
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Because it's kind of weird that any app can look into your song information.
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And there's a privacy screen, but that's only for write access, not for read access.
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Doesn't really make sense, so maybe there's going to be a toggle in there for reading
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the library as well.
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Seems like a mistake.
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Seems like an oversight that will fix it, yeah.
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Something else that happened last week that we didn't cover, but we kind of ran over time
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with talking about the Apple results.
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Logitech announced what they're calling the iPad Pro smart connector charging dock. Nice
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snappy name there from Logitech. This is the first non-keyboard accessory that uses the
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smart connector. That's why this is interesting because we were talking about it, I've heard
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other people talk about it, like it was kind of weird that it's been so long and it was
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just basically two keyboards that accessed it and nothing else when it is an open port
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for the MFI program like lightning is.
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But here is something.
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I haven't tried it out yet.
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I think this looks really nice,
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but I'm kind of not interested in this device
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for my own personal uses.
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One of the main reasons for that is to charge this device,
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you have to take off the keyboard cover,
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which is just frustrating to me.
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Like I would, where am I putting the keyboard cover then?
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Like there isn't a place for me to put it.
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Like if there was some kind of way
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that I could just put the keyboard cover
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in the back of the stand,
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like if it had a little slot for that or something, that'd be great, but it doesn't. Why would
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they do that, but it doesn't have it. And also, something I find kind of weird about
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this product is the amount of time that it takes to charge. So this is a big caveat of
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if no apps are in use, it will take around seven hours to charge the iPad Pro, which
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I'm not too keen on that. Once you try the 29-watt adapter, seven hours
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to charge really it's really you know quite the downgrade.
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And my guess is that that is not a Logitech specific issue.
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But it's just how much power can be drawn through that connector.
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Right the smart connector can't handle the sort of power that you get through the lightning
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But I mean if you, I mean if it charged faster I guess it would be it would be more attractive
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but if you wanted to use an iPad Pro
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that was basically stationary all the time,
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then just that little bit of trickle power would be fine.
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But-- - Yeah, I mean,
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basically this is a dock for people
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that wanna use a keyboard, right?
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Like that would be the really cool kind of use of this,
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right, you would put the thing there
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and you would just type away
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and like that's where you put your iPad on your desk
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and that's just a stand for it every day.
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puts it in landscape mode which I think makes a lot of sense for that right?
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So you're sitting and writing.
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It's a really good product for that use
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whilst I would love to have something where I could just put my iPad on my desk
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I would actually quite like that a lot
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I don't want to be taking the keyboard on and off so I'm just going to use the
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keyboard cover as the stand for it right? That's just kind of where I am with that.
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I would guess though kind of
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the idea of using it as a stand. I wonder
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how easy it would be to get in a situation where the charger can't keep up with your
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usage. Like if you're streaming Netflix on this thing, are you going to run your battery
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down even though it has power applied to it or is it going to kind of come out in the
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wash and basically, you know, keep the the the current the current level. So I feel like
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it would give you more time but it wouldn't keep the battery up. I mean maybe. I mean
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It's not a lot of power moving through that thing.
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And like I said, I assume this is a smart connector
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limitation, I think it's something that could be
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interesting to see Apple update this over time.
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That what if the smart connector could take in the same
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sort of charge as, you know, say that 29 watt adapter
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can give out.
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I mean, I think it's good overall that people are doing
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more things with a smart connector.
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It's still only Logitech, they make that keyboard
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clip-in case business but I hope that other companies now especially now
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the 9.7 inch pro is out and more companies start using this smart
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connector in more interesting ways like I could see a world where especially if
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they resolve this power issue like I could have sit my iPad down in a bunch of
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different scenarios and it gained new capability like what if you could set it
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down and have a keyboard in front of it like a musical keyboard or sit it down
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in front of like a there's a company that makes a iPad compatible like little
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little mixer and it comes with an app and you have a lot of controls on the
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iPad then you have some physical controls on the mixer itself like all
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that sort of stuff would be possible through the smart connector if it
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becomes more like widely adopted and I guess that that's just going to take
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time right because it's only two iPads out of the 17 SKUs or whatever there are
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are that have it. But it's a step in the right direction, I guess.
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What I've been thinking about, and actually I want to ask you too for advice here, I struggle
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to use iPad keyboards because I have big hands and a lot of the keyboards are small and so
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they're not really comfortable for me to type on. So I've been thinking, maybe I should
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give the Apple Magic keyboard a try and see how it works. I know that it's not a smart
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connector keyboard, it's a Bluetooth keyboard, but maybe a lot of people like it and maybe
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it's big enough for me to type on long pieces and reviews, and maybe that keyboard, combined
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with the Logitech stand, if I'm sitting for three hours in a writing session and I need
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to get an article done, maybe that kind of setup would be more comfortable, like from
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a physical point of view, for my hands, for typing. Do you guys use a Magic keyboard with
00:31:29
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an iPad? Have you tried one?
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I have so I have the smart keyboard on my iPad and I'm using that more and more just
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for the convenience that it's always there.
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But the magic keyboard is my daily driver at my desk on the Mac and my desk here at
00:31:45
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I've got one as well.
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And so if I even now as I've gotten more used to the smart keyboard, if I really have something
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long I want to write, it is tempting to put the iPad in a stand and use the the magic
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there's like sometimes you get some weirdness with like the Bluetooth
00:32:02
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connecting or whatever but it has gotten much better over the years than it was
00:32:06
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in the early days and with the smart keyboard being really easy to turn on
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and off or the magic keyboard excuse me that's got a little power switch just
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around the end it's very easy to make sure it's off unlike the old Bluetooth
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keyboards it's really like not too bad to throw in a bag or something and know
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that it's not gonna wake your iPad up. I'm thinking about it I'm thinking
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I think it would be a lot better for you ergonomically as well if you're sitting down for that amount
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of time to be having the iPad in a stand which you could maybe put on top of some books or
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something to bring it to eye level and then use a keyboard in front of you as opposed
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to what I assume you're probably doing now which is kind of leaning over the iPad and
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typing on the glass or you know.
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I think if you're going to be sitting down for long periods of time, you know to write
00:32:52
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a 17,000 word review or something, you should probably be thinking about how you do this
00:32:57
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as if it were a desktop computer so you can make the space a bit more ergonomically friendly
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for you. So I actually think Federico that without a single doubt you should do this.
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I'm primarily thinking about this summer when I'm going to write the iOS 10 review, because
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last year when I did the iOS 9 one I ended up with a lot of issues on my wrists and I
00:33:20
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needed to do some physical therapy to kind of fix those problems. So I'm thinking maybe
00:33:25
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this summer I should have a more ergonomically friendly setup.
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Right, without a single doubt, you have to do this. If you were getting pains, you must
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do this. You have to have to change before you lose the ability to make money. You have
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to have to do this.
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Yeah, plus, you know, I cannot really dictate a review like Jon did.
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No, you don't want to get in that situation that unfortunately Jon is in, right, where
00:33:49
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he has to do that. So make some changes now. Your body is telling you to do it. Buy one
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of these, buy a keyboard. I would suggest personally, this is my own suggestion, looking
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at a more ergonomically friendly keyboard. The Magic Keyboard hurts me. I use a Microsoft
00:34:07
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Sculpt keyboard. I don't know if something like that would even work with iOS, but just
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take a look at some other options and see if there's anything that's good for you.
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Okay, we'll do that. Thank you. Just in case, my friend. Thank you both.
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Steven, you have an interesting topic this week.
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Yeah, so I thought we could maybe talk about some of the apps that we use while we're not working.
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We spent a lot of time over the last six months or so discussing our various ways that we work,
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we work mostly on iOS with the two of you.
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But you know, we do use our devices
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for things outside of work.
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Although I think we all had a realization about that
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that we can get to.
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But I think it would be fun to talk about some of the things
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that we use sort of in our personal life on our devices.
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And we just have a list, I don't know,
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do we just wanna go through it like one at a time,
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we kinda walk through it.
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There's a lot of overlap in here I think.
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Or we could do our favorite, Round Robin.
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We could do Round Robin.
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Yes, Round Robin.
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Let's just go Round Robin.
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You're the only one who knows how it works,
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so tell us what to do.
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Just one at a time.
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It's not difficult.
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So confusing.
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It's not difficult.
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All right, so I will start with day one,
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which if you're not familiar with,
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is a journaling app for the Mac and iOS.
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You can upload photos, write text,
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put GPS locations in.
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And I used it a lot in the last week.
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We were traveling through the Northeast
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and I did some of it while I was gone,
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but when I got home, I went through the,
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I don't know, 600 photos we had from the trip.
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And I put some of my favorites into day one entries
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and it said, "Hey, do you wanna use the time
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"and geolocation of the photo?"
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And so if I look at my day one,
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I can see our trip all lined out,
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even though I put all the journal entries in one day.
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And it's just a really nice way to have stuff
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for me to look at later.
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I really enjoy opening the app,
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especially on the iPad is really great.
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and kind of flicking through, you know, I've got,
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I don't know, I can open it.
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I don't know how many years of journaling
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I have now in day one.
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And like I said, it's not all
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necessarily about super in-depth
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journaling the way you think it is,
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but a lot of times, just a little photo
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and a little caption.
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So I've got stuff dating way back to 2010 in here.
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And it's got tags and search and a whole bunch of stuff.
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It's all the good things about journaling in a notebook,
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but with all the pluses of being able to do it
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with technology to have photos,
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and the new versions even lets you like,
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this is the music I was listening to when I wrote this,
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or this was the number of steps I had that day.
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So it's fun, it brings a lot of stuff in from your device,
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and it's definitely something that I use
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on a regular basis, it's been on my home screen
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for a long time.
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- Yeah, that one's a good choice.
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I don't use it as often as you.
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I think I've mentioned before,
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I put in big things that I'm proud of going to day one.
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So, you know, personal and professional achievements
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I put in there.
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I don't put a lot more in than that,
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but it's nice for that,
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that I have this little record of those types of things.
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- Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
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- It's my turn now?
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- It is your turn now Federico, round robin.
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- Okay, so my, it's actually, I'm kind of cheating here,
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but it's two picks and it's Spotify and Apple Music together.
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So before I get all the comments that I'm using to...
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Yes, I'm using two streaming services, and I'll tell you why.
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So a few months ago, I think in January,
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I chose to give Spotify another try,
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just because this is what I always do.
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I check in regularly with a different service
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or a different app of what I'm using right now,
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just to see what they're doing, what's the competition,
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what it looks like.
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And, to my surprise, I found out that I really enjoy the discovery process in Spotify.
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So thanks to Discover Weekly, which is the playlist that they do each Monday to show you songs you haven't listened to,
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and thanks to Fresh Finds, which is a series of playlists that they publish each Wednesday for upcoming artists and indie bands, that kind of stuff,
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I'm discovering a lot more new music, like artists that I've never heard of before,
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songs that I don't know but that I actually enjoy a lot.
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And this is because Spotify, you know, they do a lot of algorithmic kind of discovery,
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stuff that Apple doesn't do as much.
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And the basic truth is that in four months of Spotify,
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I've discovered more bands and artists and songs that I did in nine months of Apple Music.
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But the two of them, Spotify and Apple Music, for me are complementary to each other.
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Because I still like Apple Music for a bunch of reasons.
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First is the exclusives.
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So a lot of the artists that I like have deals with Apple.
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So Drake, Beyonce on iTunes, which is not really Apple Music, but you get the idea.
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What's the other exclusive?
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I think the 1975s, a while ago, did an album on Apple Music.
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So there's quite a few of the bands that I like, a few of the artists that I like,
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do exclusives on Apple Music now.
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And I want to listen to those and I don't care about using piracy because I don't
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have the patience or the time for that, I just want to pay and listen.
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And the second is, I do appreciate the interface of Apple Music.
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I like it better than Spotify.
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It's more colorful, it's more...
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I wanna say young, if it makes sense.
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It's just Spotify is kinda dull and dark and black and kinda boring after a while.
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So what I do is, I use Spotify as my daily music streaming service.
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I listen to Discovery Weekly almost religiously every week, and I listen on Spotify, if only
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because the next week I'm gonna get recommendations based on what I was listening to, and those
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recommendations are for me more skewed towards Discovery than Apple Music.
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Apple Music, the Intro to Playlists, tend to give me stuff that I already know, whereas
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at this point in my life I want to discover stuff I don't know, and I feel like Spotify
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in that regard serves me better.
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But Apple Music I like for the exclusive stuff they do, I like it just to browse the front
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page which is fun and full of stuff you can click on.
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So I'm using both, and I think Cristina also uses both, she cannot turn me into this idea
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of using multiple streaming services, so I spend a lot of my free time after work, just
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like hours listening to music.
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And yeah, using two services.
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expensive and I don't recommend it but it works for me.
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This is why I was thinking it would be nice if there were apps that could replicate the
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Discover Weekly type thing, right?
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Which could actually do more.
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I think we're going to cover this in detail a little bit later.
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We've been putting it off for a little bit but we've got a big kind of Spotify versus
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Apple Music topic planned out.
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So I won't spoil that for now.
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I'll mention kind of my first pick for things that I'm using more is YouTube.
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I'm watching more YouTube videos and mostly on the Apple TV.
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Becoming an Apple TV convert, which I did not expect, but we are using that device
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more and more, and it's kind of nice because it's giving us just a different
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place to watch things.
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So I do it when I eat lunch or eat breakfast, I go down to the front room
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and watch something there.
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and that's actually kind of nice and I've been enjoying a couple of new
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YouTube channels one that I really really like is called the channel is
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WheezyWaiter and it's just a daily vlog type channel but I really really enjoy
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it a lot so I recommend it Craig who runs the channel I really just like his
00:42:28
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style and yeah I don't I don't really get a lot out of daily vlogs but his I
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really enjoy so I recommend that so it's kind of a two-for-pick but also on iOS
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the YouTube app is getting better and better you being able to use it in
00:42:42
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split-screen is awesome and I love it yeah so yeah YouTube and Apple TV and
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one watching Netflix on the Apple TV more another of my pics which I get to
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move in a little bit I'm watching on Apple TV more I use maybe three or four
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apps on it but I really like it and I'm kind of surprised at myself for that so
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I'm gonna go next with GifRapped for iOS
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Which is a kind of a two-part app you can
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Sync I keep mine on Dropbox a folder of gifs and so you know think funny things
00:43:17
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I come across mostly Tim Cook dancing I can throw in that Dropbox folder and it synced to the iPhone so I
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Have a quick access to the gifs that I like on my phone
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But you can also search the Giphy database from the app so I could say you know
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I need a gif of a dumpster fire and type it in and you can save it to local
00:43:36
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library you can copy a link or copy the image and put it in an iMessage or
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whatever else
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however you want to send a gif and it's a nice way I know there's gif keyboards
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and like slack has gif integration all that stuff but it's nice to know exactly
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what you're going to send like doing a gif command on slack can go terribly
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wrong as everyone knows so it's nice to have like your own library and searching
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and it saves your search history so you can go back and it's a really nice little iOS
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app that I find a lot of fun.
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Yeah, I've used it a bunch in the past as well. Like when I was trying to amass a Dropbox
00:44:10
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based GIF library, I used GIFwrapped but I ended up just giving up on that because the
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main place that I need GIFs, which is like Slack or even a service like Telegram, which
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I've been using more and more, I just use their integrations and that works quite nicely
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for me and then on iOS I just wait for Steven to send me gifts instead.
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Don't know if I'm actually having to do them.
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So my video pic would have been also YouTube because like Myke I'm using YouTube more and
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more as for the vlogs I'm watching Casey Neistat's every day.
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Yeah, so WheezyWaiter, like I said before, that he is like, purposefully influenced by
00:44:54
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Casey Neistat and like, thinks about him, so, whilst I haven't watched Casey Neistat's
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videos, if you do watch those, you may enjoy my selection too.
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Oh, okay, okay, I'll check it out. There should be a link in the channel to Myke.
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Oh, of course there will be. I mean, look who you're talking to here, of course there
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So instead of YouTube, which Myke did an excellent job in describing, I'm gonna mention DS video
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and VLC. So DS Video is the Synology app to stream video from your NAS and I use it because
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I have a lot of TV shows that I watch with my girlfriend and I like the fact that if
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a TV show cannot be... what's the word here? Decoded? The video file? If it cannot be streamed
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in the DS Video app, there's a menu to send it to other video players, and VLC and Infuse
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are supported, and I use VLC just out of habit, I guess. It works with every video file that
00:45:59
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I ever have, and I watch hours and hours of... You know what I actually did is, I started
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watching The Big Bang Theory in December and we caught up with the ninth season a few weeks
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Congratulations.
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That's a big task.
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The problem is I love The Big Bang Theory so much that as soon as we wrapped up with
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the current episode of the current season, I started watching it again from the first
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It's almost like listening to music.
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Before bed, after I finished work, after I listened to music, I loved to watch a couple
00:46:44
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of episodes of Big Bang Theory.
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Even if I already know the story, even if I already know what happens, it just relaxes
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I like that with shows like Community, right?
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Like it's just easy to do.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's like comfort food for TV shows.
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Comfort TV shows.
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It's just always there and it puts me in a good mood before sleeping.
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So I'm a big fan of the Synology that I bought.
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I have a DS214 Play, I think it's the name.
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And it works well with the VLC on iOS.
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So yeah, I use it a lot.
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My next one is going to be VSCO Cam, which I'm sure a lot of listeners are aware of.
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It is a photo, like a camera replacement and it's got a lot of photo editing.
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I use a lot of camera apps I've rotated a lot have a lot on my phone.
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Obscura is another great one.
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But I like VSCO a lot because it has a really rich library of filters and unlike something
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like Instagram which has sort of heavy handed filters a lot of the VSCO ones are very subtle
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and you can really go in and tweak them play with them.
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And what's really great is that it has its own sort of sync engine so you can save photos
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to your library within the app and they sync around your apps and so I've gotten
00:48:04
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in the habit of if I'm shooting some with my iPhone and VSCO I'll just I'll
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go to my pick up my iPad later and edit them there because obviously it's a much
00:48:12
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larger canvas to work on. Hey that's the name of Federico show. And it's just a
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nice set of tools and they have like I said a lot of filters a lot of really
00:48:24
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fine-grained control you can export to just about anything and unlike some
00:48:29
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iOS like photo apps it will let you export full-size and this has gotten
00:48:36
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better over the years I tried in like 2011 I think - it is a big roundup of
00:48:44
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like trying to manage like a taking a photo a day art project just on iOS and
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the limitation I ran into then was almost every photo app only allowed you
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export a downsized image and that is thankfully changed as iOS devices have
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gotten more powerful and if you're into iPhone photography and you haven't
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checked this out then shame on you because it really is a really powerful
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flexible set of tools. I broke the round robin. You did Myke. Yeah. Yeah I was meant
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to go next so I'm gonna go I'm gonna take two now so I'm gonna go now and
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and then I'll go again after Federico.
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Round robins, man, how did it work?
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Nobody knows.
00:49:25
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So I was talking about video.
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I've made it more public recently
00:49:30
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that I am a fan of professional wrestling.
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And the WWE have their own subscription streaming service
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called the WWE Network and it's awesome.
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It's so good.
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If you are a fan, it's fantastic.
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They have so much stuff there
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and they're creating a lot of original programming.
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Seth... who's the guy who is involved in Family Guy? Is it Seth Green?
00:49:54
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No, it's Seth MacFarlane?
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No, Seth Green is a voice. He is Chris.
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Seth Green has just created an adult cartoon show
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called Camp WWE, which is hilarious.
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Oh, Seth Green is the guy from Entourage.
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Is he Entourage?
00:50:14
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Yeah, he was. I think he was.
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Okay, well, he's just created a show for them.
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They have a bunch of great content.
00:50:20
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The app is pretty good on most devices,
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but it's just a good example of a streaming service
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that's focused around one thing, and I really like it.
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So there you go.
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There's another pick.
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It's very specialized, but if you like what I like
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and you don't already have this, then you're crazy.
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So can I ask you, help me understand here.
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Professional wrestling is all acted, right?
00:50:43
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We're gonna go into this right now?
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I honestly don't know. Is it real fighting or is it like a story?
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Okay, so there are stories that I enjoy, like soap opera stories, right?
00:50:57
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Like people don't actually hate each other, but they pretend to and things happen.
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They're called storylines, things happen that are acted, right?
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But the action in the ring, of course they know what's going on.
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They're looking to help each other, protect each other and not hurt each other.
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but it's real things happening, right?
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Very frequently, someone's gonna get punched in the face
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and that's just the way that they decide to do it.
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Or someone jumps from 30 feet down from a cell onto a table.
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Stuff happens. It's not real fighting, but it's real athleticism.
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Is that fair?
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Okay, yeah. I mean, because the muscles are clearly real.
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I just wonder, like, is a fight, like, is the outcome decided beforehand?
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Okay. So they just do the stuff in the ring to reach that outcome?
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But all the moves and the jumping and the punches are real?
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Yeah, I mean, as I say, they do things to protect each other, right? So they're not actually physically
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trying to hurt each other, but the moves and the things that you're seeing are real things.
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And, you know, there's a lot of nuance in this, but that's effectively the idea of it.
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OK, got it. Thank you.
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I would recommend if anybody is even slightly interested in why I enjoy professional wrestling,
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I did an episode of Analog with Casey last year talking about this,
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and I went into a lot more detail, obviously, than I have so far.
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I will put that in the show notes.
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I would recommend people go and check it out if they're at all interested.
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So, there you go. Analog episode number 71. Federico, you're up.
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- So, my next pick would be obviously, and this is kind of, you know, I mean, of course, I'm going to mention this, it's Overcast.
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I listen to not a lot of podcasts. I'm not the type of guy that listens to, like, 30 podcasts.
00:52:53
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But I do have my rotation of four or five shows.
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Lately I've been binging on Cortex and Hello Internet just because I'm on a CGP Grey Fever and
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Overcast is yeah, you can tell him
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You probably hear it. He listens to this show. All right. All right
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I do like Overcast because of two reasons the dark theme
00:53:18
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It looks great and it was a kind of an inspiration to do our own dark theme on Mac stories
00:53:23
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I think Marco did an excellent job with the with the balance of colors
00:53:26
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I'm not usually the type of user who switches to dark themes, but in Overcast I'm using it and I love it.
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And the second one, of course, is Smart Speed. It lets me save time by cutting silence from episodes.
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And Overcast is just...
00:53:41
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So it's one of those apps that I immediately go to download, like 1Password or Dropbox.
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And it's one of those apps that I cannot imagine
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official Apple made version instead. It's a third-party app that does a bunch of things, has a great design,
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now it's even getting faster at syncing because of a change the market did called Quick Sync.
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So now it works even better across the iPad and the iPhone to sync progress.
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So yeah, it's one of the very first apps that I put on my devices. Listen to all my podcasts there and I love it.
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Yeah, I'm an overcast
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supporter in the setting with a little membership thing.
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- Yes, patron.
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And I love Overcast and I love listening to podcasts with Overcast, so yeah, that's my
00:54:31
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- I think we're all the same on that one, right?
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- Like we all have that pick.
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- It's my favorite podcast app for iOS.
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I just think Marco does a great job.
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And there are things that he does which makes me never want to leave, right?
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Which is like the SmartSpeed stuff and Voice Boost and all the things that he thinks about.
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like one of my favourite newer features is the fact that he kind of tweaks the equaliser
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when you're listening on the phone speaker. I think that's awesome.
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I will pick my favourite game of all time on iOS which is Threes. I have recently started
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playing Threes again, a lot. I adore that game, I think it's kind of the perfect phone
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game. It's just a little puzzle game and it's super super easy to use on iOS. It's just
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a great one handed game, you can play it forever, it never gets boring because it's so simple
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and it's kind of thrilling as well, like if you're getting a really high score it's kind
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of exciting to see what's going to happen next. I always get this question when I mention
00:55:33
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threes, my high score is 63,657, it's not a great high score but it's my high score
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and I'm proud of it. I love threes, if you've never played threes, first what is wrong with
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Mr Hackett, you're up.
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Yes so in the theme of iOS photography which I realized is the theme just now
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I'm going to pick a an app for OS X called I'm going to give this a shot and
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you guys jump in if I butcher it.
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It is a Mac app that allows you to geotag photos taken without GPS
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information. So on this trip I had my
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iPhone of course and then I had my Canon
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DSLR with a bunch of lenses and my Canon
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does not have a GPS module and so those
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photos are not geotagged. What this app
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lets you do is you can load the photos
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in the app and you can do a couple of
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different things. You can tell the app to
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use another photos GPS information.
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These are all pictures of my Canon. This is a
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picture with my iPhone took at the same
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location just copy its GPS coordinates or you can search it has map information
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built into the app so you can search I was at the state park or I was at this
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building or whatever and it will add that data to your exif data for the
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photo and the reason I like doing this is even though I don't currently use
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photos.app for reasons we've spoken about I do want my pictures to have
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geolocation data for things like day one or if I end up going back to photos in a
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moment of weakness. I just like to have that information be complete and it's a
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really nice way of doing it. There are several apps on the Mac that do this
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sort of thing but by far this is the one that not only works the best but
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actually looks like a human being designed it and can understand it. A lot
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of these apps are really not well put together. You can do a bunch more stuff too.
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You can do time shifting so if you've traveled and never set your camera in the
00:59:46
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wrong time zone you can correct that you can do lots of stuff but it's a great app it's
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like it's a little pricey it's a professional tool but I think it's like 40 bucks or something
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but it's definitely if you need this definitely the app that I've found to be the most helpful.
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Two questions one does it let you remove information from geotagged photos?
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That is a good question. I think it can. If not, there is another app called... I'm just
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searching in my applications folder.
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It's in there somewhere.
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Yeah I got a bunch of stuff in here. There are other apps though that allow you to do
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that though. Because I sometimes have that issue where I take a picture with my iPhone
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and I want to post it to the website but I don't want my home address in that photo.
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I think this app probably does that but I can't tell you for sure at the moment.
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The other thing I guess a good workflow, a good life hack if you will, would be when
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you're taking photos on your canon just to take one photo with your iPhone at the same
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Right and it just does that.
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I've done that for years.
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Even before when I started adding the data myself just to have it around.
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So yeah that's a good trick.
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All right Federico.
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- So my next peak is again a combination of two apps
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that I've been using again lately
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and it's a moves and gyroscope.
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So gyroscope is actually a service that has an app
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in beta right now on iOS and moves is the location tracking
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app that Facebook acquired a couple of years ago.
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And to my surprise, it's still around
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and it's still getting bug fixes and a bunch of features
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for the latest versions of iOS.
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And it doesn't drain as much battery as I remembered.
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So I like to, this kind of originated from my effort
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of trying to find the purpose for my Apple Watch.
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And I was thinking about, is it possible
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that a lot of my friends are enjoying their Apple Watches
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and I'm not?
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So is it something that I could use the Apple Watch
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to see if it works for me?
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And I thought maybe I should try to find a way to build a log of my life in an out-of-made fashion
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with a nice interface because I think one of my big problems is that I don't like the dashboard of the Apple Health app
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to browse data, to view trends. I just don't like the interface.
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So I was wondering could that be maybe a solution to have this data and make it look pretty
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so that I'm happy and I keep wearing my Apple Watch?
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So I am friends with Anand, I think Sharma is the name. He's the guy who runs
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You know, he's April Zero on Twitter and he runs Gyroscope, which is this crazy
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Good-looking service that builds a dashboard for your life. It connects to a bunch of services like
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You know, the what's the name of the Strava the running app and it connects to
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Rescue time if you use a computer so it builds this picture of your life from a fitness perspective
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From a productivity perspective it connects to Twitter so you can import your images it connects to Foursquare
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So you can view your check-ins and it also connects to moves so you can you can see all of your you know
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locations over time
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So I put moves on my iPhone I
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Started wearing the Apple watch again to have a log of my heart rate every 10 minutes and now I'm using the beta
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gyroscope app for
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for the iPhone which I
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Obviously, I guess I cannot say too many details about but as you would imagine from gyroscope, it looks amazing
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My god, I've never heard of this. This is so beautiful gyroscopy is all my
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Gyroscope is beautiful and it's you know, they have a fair business model. There's a subscription
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It connects to a lot of services, it's fast.
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I think the iPhone app is in beta, so there's like a waiting list, but it looks amazing.
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It's seriously the best interface for heart rate and fitness data that I've seen on the
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So I'm using this too, and my physical therapist advised me to change my exercise routine,
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to do a bunch of things differently.
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So now that I've made these changes in my life and I'm using these two apps, it's fun
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to, you know, at the end of each day to kind of open gyroscope, see what have been, confirm
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the data from moves, which, fun fact, changed from Foursquare location data to Facebook
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location data, of course, and it's kind of less accurate than before, but it's getting
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better. So yeah, moves and gyroscope, it's a fun combo, and I like it. And gyroscope
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is seriously amazing. I mean, if only the interface, it's fantastic.
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Have you guys heard of a photo sharing service called Instagram?
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Is it the one with the skeuomorphistic icon?
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Skeuomorphistic doesn't even exist as an objective.
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It's the one that has never updated from iOS 6 that one.
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I love Instagram.
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It's not my most used social network, but it's one that I have the least hate towards
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of all the social networks that I use.
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It's very simple, things are presented in a very nice way.
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Their ads are a little bit shady at times in the UK.
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There's maybe a little bit more debt consolidation ads
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than I would like, but I really like Instagram
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because there's only, for me anyway,
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there's just nice things in there.
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There aren't people complaining about things,
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there aren't sad things.
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It tends to just be nice, simple things
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about people's lives.
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And being a pen person like I am,
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I follow, like lots of my pen friends post great pictures
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of their pens and the way that they write
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and beautiful calligraphy and lettering stuff.
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And there's a bunch of Lego stuff in there.
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You know, like I follow very different things
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than I do on Twitter and Instagram.
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And it makes me happy.
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And I like it for that.
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And I think it's nice to have a social network
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that I can go to and not have to dread
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some of the things I might find in there. Nobody talks about Donald Trump in my Instagram
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feed, right? There's no drama in the pen community. There is, but not on Instagram. There's drama?
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Oh yeah, look there's drama in every kind of community. We have rumors, you know. About
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pens? Yeah. I think it makes sense, yeah. So, you know, it's like every community, but
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yeah I like it. Is there 9 to 5 pens? There should be. Myke. Set it up, right? Off I go.
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some pivoting but yeah Instagram look it's whatever but mainly my tip is try
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and have at least one social network that you can go to that isn't sad. I
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guess my my next pick is not it's not really an app. You cheated you come up
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with this topic and then cheated. No it means like no it's my idea so I can do
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whatever I want to with it. I'm going to choose as my next app that I use being a
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real Kindle and it's not you even said app it's not an app is it it's it's it
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is an app but I don't use the app I use the device for a couple of probably
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obvious reasons that it's nice to read a book when there's not a bunch of
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notifications coming in I like the ink experience I like that it is really
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lightweight if I'm if I just want to like take it somewhere and go read I
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don't have to, especially now with the 12.9 inch iPad, like that's not a really
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comfortable reading device. And so yeah, real e-ink Kindle is my last app pick.
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Sorry. Sorry.
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That really makes sense, okay. No, I understand, Steven.
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So my, so I'm kind of cheating too, and I want to say a game, and it's Basketfall.
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So, it's a very simple iPhone game that I downloaded a few months ago.
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And it's a game where you have to throw a basketball into the name "The Basket".
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I don't even know, I don't watch sports.
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The Hoop, yes.
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Or The Basket.
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The Basket also works.
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So you have to throw a ball in there, and there's a bunch of obstacles in each level,
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Like spikes or... what's the name of the bouncy things that change your trajectory?
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I don't know.
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You know when you play with the flipper, there's like...
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The pinball?
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And there's bumpers, spikes, and you have to time your tapping on the screen because
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the hoop is moving sometimes.
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And there's a lot of modes.
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So you can play instead of the traditional basketball stage, you can have like you throw
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food into an actual basket or there's like themed levels with the, I think Star Wars
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is even a level, but I play with the basic free traditional level and I play almost every
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day just to relax.
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Like sort of like Myke plays threes.
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I play the basic mode over and over, trying to beat my high score, which is... shame on
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me but it's very low, and I think I even suck at this game, you know? But I just keep playing
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it. Actually, now that I think about it, I suck at this game. I'm terrible.
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This is like me with 3s, right? Like, of everybody that I know that plays 3s, like, as much as
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I do, I have the lowest high score, but I don't care.
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No, me neither. I don't care. And every time I play, I realise that I'm terrible, I'm awful,
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And this game is charitable with me, but I just keep playing because when you tap the
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screen and you see the little basketball falling down, it's fun.
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So yeah, I mean, it's not a very professional game review, there's a lot of modes I haven't
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tried, there's enough purchases you can unlock, it's fun.
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It's a fun game.
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Don't take my advice, go to the App Store and check it out.
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My last pick is going to be an obvious one, it's Pigment, the iOS coloring app.
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I have been doing less of this recently but it's still the best iOS colouring app that
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you can buy. If you're looking for this type of experience, I've tried all of the popular
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ones and none of them are even close to Pigment. I've also seen that they're working on a redesign
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of some of their stuff and it looks fantastic and I'm very pleased that more work is going
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into this app. I thought that Picsite were going out of business, maybe I misunderstood
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that Verge profile that they did but they're clearly not and I'm very pleased
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to see that they're continuing work on Pigment because it is a
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fantastic app and I think if you are at all interested in the coloring thing and
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you have an Apple pencil as well specifically because it works the best
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there then I would recommend trying it out because nothing else even comes
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close to it. And it's fun. It's fun to do. Nice and relaxing.
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I do have one final pick, if Steven doesn't have one anymore.
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Okay. I just have an observation, so you go ahead.
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Please save the observation for the end.
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Oh, no, I think it's a little thing we all realized at the end, so you go ahead.
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Yes, yes. I'm not sure how to pronounce this. Is it Narwhal?
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Yeah, Narwhal, yeah.
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a Reddit client. I'm what you would call a Reddit lurker, which is I don't engage
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with a lot of posts. I do have an account, and I think I've left like one or two comments
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publicly. I upvote stuff occasionally, but I just browse Reddit a lot. I'm subscribed
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to the Workflow Reddit, to the Spotify Reddit, which is a great place to discover playlists
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from other people by the way. And I just browse the front page, I browse pictures of dogs
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because I love dogs, and Narwhal makes it easy, you know, it's a good iOS citizen. It
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supports Safari View Controller, it's got a dark theme, it supports sharing extensions,
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split screen on the iPad, in fact I do use Narwhal on the iPhone and the iPad, and it's
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It's very stable, never crashes on me.
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Fast, looks great on the iPad Pro, looks great on the iPhone.
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So every day I spend like 20 minutes browsing Reddit.
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It's always fun to come across a Spotify playlist or a workflow comment thread that I'm interested
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into or just a funny dog gif that I then share with my girlfriend on Telegram.
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So yeah, Gnar Wall.
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And it's also made by a great guy, so, you know.
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I use and love narwhal. The reason I didn't pick it is because it's a work thing for me.
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The only reddit that I subscribe to is the CGP Grey subreddit because that's where there's
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a lot of conversation about cortex. So I might even subscribe to the front page. When I open
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reddit all I see is Grey's subreddit because I'm not really big into reddit really, like
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I just don't really have time for another place. But I really love it and Idina, my
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partner who was just on an episode of analog with me actually which was a lot
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of fun if you're at all interested in hearing me and my better half have a
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conversation you should go and listen to that one it was fun I listened she has a
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great accent she does right she actually almost doesn't have an accent it's just
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you know great English I was uh I was surprised you know her accent is very
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strong but she's really yes it's very strong maybe I don't know why you don't
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hear it but it's a strong accent but it's a great one. I like it a lot. And her attempts
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at doing an English accent are hilarious to me. So you can go and listen to that. But
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anyway, she uses Narwhal and she is a big Reddit person and she was so happy when I
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introduced her to this app. She was using Alien Blue before, which Alien Blue is a disaster
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of design, or at least it was. That thing used to break my brain. Like when you'd press
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a button and then like 65 buttons would appear in a diagonal view like what are you doing?
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That app I think is now dead right it's been replaced by a redesigned Reddit app.
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Yes and they gave all customers I think three months of Reddit gold.
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Because it was a pay for app but yes for me Narwhal is the only place to go.
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Love that application.
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So Steven make your observation which is true for all of us I think.
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Yeah so for me that and coming up with this list was the realization that it's really
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hard for me to separate on my devices and even on my Mac work and personal stuff.
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So the apps that I mentioned most of them are personal use but obviously some are a
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mix of both and it's the idea that you know these devices at least for me don't have a
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big like boundaries like they used to. When I had a job I used the Gmail app
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for work email to keep it separate from everything else and now that's not as
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important to me. And it sort of was part of a bigger idea that like all I do is
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work. Like this really something that I'm thinking a lot about right now is how
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much time I spend working but it's not a complaint I love what I do but well but
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this is the thing that our working is also a lot of up we're getting very deep
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here now is what a lot of people do for enjoyment. So a lot of the things that
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that lion is blurred now, right? So things like Slack, things like Twitter, things
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like RSS readers, they used to be all of the things that we enjoyed to just do as
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a hobby but now they have become pivotal parts of our work and that's where the
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lions start to get blurred. But it can't be something that we complain too much
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much about because we're in very privileged positions. But I completely understand what
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Steven is saying because I was looking at this device and I was like, there are so many
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things here that cross over into the work boundary.
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Yeah, I mean, if I'm talking to Myke over Telegram about some Apple news, is that work
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or is that just hanging out with a friend and chatting about our common interests? I
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don't know. So...
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Yeah, and I agree with you, Myke. It's a super first world problem.
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It is the firstest of all first world problems.
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But it is an interesting commentary just on self-employment in general. I know we're getting
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all cortex and analogies for a second, but these devices, the idea, the conversations
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going on, is the phone an extension of your brain? I truly believe that it is, because
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Because the phone doesn't see the boundaries in my life the way that I do, right?
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That it sees work and family and kids and house and everything else as like one big
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collection of emails and text and images and everything else, right?
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There's no, very rarely for me at least, there are no clear boundaries between those things.
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And so the way that I think about them really in a way is completely artificial, that the
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technology doesn't care right like mail.app doesn't know like which of my
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mail accounts is work and which ones personal which one I should care about
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any given time and I don't know just it's an interesting thought process to
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go through but what I what I really like about especially my iPhone is that it
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kind of doesn't matter because it can do all these things really well and I can I
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I can switch contexts very quickly and work very fluidly,
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no matter where I am.
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And like you guys with the iPad,
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I don't look at anything that I can't do on my phone,
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because even now that I work at home most days,
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there are days like today that I'm not gonna be home all day
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and I need to get my job done on my phone.
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And I'm actually in the middle of a,
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I've got a Samsung the s7 edge on my desk and I'm kind of working on review of slowly
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and like that's always a sticking point for me is that as much as I like that
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hardware for the most part and as good as Android has gotten I still have
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certain things that I'm locked into iOS because of the the apps that I use and
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and for me it's like kind of a no-brainer like I can't switch to
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Android because there are things that are so critical in my workflow I don't
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want to change and so I don't know just this is this big conversation of like
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where did devices stop and start and when where does work and personal life
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stop and start and so I don't know it was actually kind of hard for me to find
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however many I said five or six things that were sort of purely personal use
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like like the reddit app for you Myke that you and Federico use it differently
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and I'm somewhere in between I do a little bit of work on there with 512 and
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the Apple and Vintage Apple communities, but then I also just peruse Reddit because it's
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fun. And so it's all kind of messy in there right now for me.
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Yeah, it's... I wouldn't say it's a problem for me, but it's sort of something I'm coming
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to terms with. Like, if I listen to some music and I listen for myself, but then the people
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who follow me, and I'm trying not to sound like a pretentious snob here, but if people
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who follow me ask me to write about some of the music that I listen to, and I've done
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that in our newsletter, am I listening to music for work, or is it just, you know, a
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byproduct of the fact that, at this point, some folks follow me and us with the Maxories
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Steam, not necessarily because of Apple News or apps, but just because they feel like following
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a friend, if it makes any sense. And so is that work for me? Is it watching a movie and
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then talking about it just casually in a newsletter or in a podcast? Is it playing video games?
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My part of work is in my job? I don't know. It's odd, but I feel super lucky that I'm
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this position. Like I try not to see it as a problem, I try to see it as a huge privilege,
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and the fact that there's people who listen to what we say, even if it's not necessarily
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and strictly about Apple News or technology, that's super amazing to me. So it's odd to
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have this kind of balance, and it can get tricky sometimes when you're like trying to
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hang out with friends in real life, and then there's people on the internet who message
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you, but you know, there's worse stuff in life to worry about than work stuff bleeding
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into real life and real life sort of becoming strange. So at the end of the day, whatever
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is my slogan. So yeah, I'm trying to go with the flow here, guys. Try not to worry about
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it too much. I don't know if it makes any sense.
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Well that took a turn.
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Yeah, yeah, but I'm in a good mood, you know, this is awesome to me, this is amazing.
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So I want to leave you on an uplifting note to tell you that I'm very happy about our
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current situation.
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I'm happy about my life, Myke and Steven.
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That's good to know.
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I think we all are.
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I think we all are.
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We're very lucky.
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And we are in this position because of all the fantastic people out there that listen
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to us and support us.
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We want to thank you all for doing that, even if we are a bunch of weirdos who talk on a
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podcast we appreciate it very greatly. If you'd like to find our show notes for this
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week head on over to relay.fm/connected/89. I've put links into all of the things that
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we've spoken about this week. There's a lot of show notes this week. They should be in
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your app of choice, but they're not always, so go and head over there and you can find
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all of our links if you haven't got them. Thanks again to Squarespace and Braintree
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for helping support this week's episode. Thank you to them. And of course if you want to
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find us online at a few places you can do that. We're all on Twitter. Federico is @Vittici.
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Steven is @ismh and I am @imike. You can also head over to macstories.net and 512pixels.net
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for more of the work of my fantastic co-hosts. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be
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back next time. Until then, say goodbye guys.
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Arrivederci. Adios.