The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► John Carlucci are you broke now dude you [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► gotta take it will talk about the show [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► that's the show so how's things going [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► John how was your vacation in california [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► it was very Californian he didn't he [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► didn't really live in reality everywhere [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► you went you just dropped hundred-dollar [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► bills like they were like they were [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► singles sometimes it felt like glad [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► you're expensive things there but [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► overall everything worked out if they [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► took every form of transportation except [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► for a taxi [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► I don't even know they still have those [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► in san francisco i think i've been [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► outlawed yeah so the vacations good you [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► seem to hang out with the most of the [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► Friends of the internet that i can think [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► of that are in that neck of the woods [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► yeah we did all the touristy things that [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► you can do in san francisco you know [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► that bus tours did you like Alcatraz [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► Korea and alcatraz road on a cable car [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► went to the really windy Street you know [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► did all the tourist things you can do ya [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► love the tourist things in San Francisco [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► are right on are really bad road take [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► mass transit and go to jail into the [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► woods to know and we went to beaches up [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► and down the coast on the beach in santa [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► cruz and some other beach that i don't i [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► don't know where it is but it's got [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► little tidal pools that the Pacific [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► Ocean stuff when a hike in marin county [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► you know just lots of lots of things we [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► fought in the short number of days were [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► there so as we record it is friday night [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► the 22nd we should probably talk about [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► the elephant in the room [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► wdc ticket announcements are starting to [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► trickle out as we record this how to go [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► for John and the lead-up to this I had [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► some issues that i had to deal with [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► mostly of my own creation but when you [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► sign up for the lottery [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► it has the this year I had the same [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► message they had think it was the same [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► as that in previous years but I write [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► the same realities in previous years [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► which is if you enter the lottery and [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► you win the lottery they attempt to [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► charge your credit card at the moment [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► they have decided you won the lottery [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► and if that charge doesn't go through [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► for some reason they say [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► actually you have not won lottery we're [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► moving on to the next person which is [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► very bad [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► it happened a lot of people in the past [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► and apples I'm pretty good about trying [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► to go back and give them tickets later [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► but it's a really terrible system in [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► that if they pick your name out of the [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► Hat is a winner of lottery they should [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► give you a day or two to sort out the [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► payment situation now why might your [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► credit card rejected because your credit [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► card company is fraud happy and it sees [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► this big $69 charge randomly on a card [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► night I don't know how that fraud [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► detection works but if you trip your [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► credit card companies fraud detection [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► apple will give your ticket to somebody [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► else they won't say well you got [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► rejected but will give you 24 to 48 [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► hours to start out with your credit card [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► company right now they just move on [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► immediately and so this year same [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► message they said just want you to know [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► that if we fail to charge your credit [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► card [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► we're taking your takeaway giving to [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► someone else which is terrible just [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► terrible system so it should be the n 24 [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► to 48 hours let the people sort out [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► whether they get it so I was afraid this [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► would happen when i signed up I saw that [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► the credit card had in there is my [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► traditional this is what i used to buy [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► my max with credit card which also [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► happens to be the traditional Apple [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► cannot charge my credit card because the [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► payment company rejected because it [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► thinks it's fraud i bought so many [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► thousands of dollars for the maximum is [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► one credit card same number it's never [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► been stalled on the internet it's a [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► miracle right and year after year every [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► time I try to buy Apple equipment with [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► it they market is fraud one of the [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► things i suggested hey apple says this [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► message you should call your credit card [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► company and tell them to expect a 1600 [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► charge sometime in the next you know [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► between the 22nd in the 25th from going [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► to tell you the name is just from apple [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► computer so that's what some people have [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► done and again people have done it and [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► call the credit card company and tell [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► them please don't reject my card there's [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► going to be a charge in the credit card [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► you will say yes thumbs up don't worry [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► it'll go through and that gets rejected [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► because the credit card companies well [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► and I think also like the whole thing [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► about like all your credit company to [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► like pre-approve a big transaction I [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► think that's kind of like the door close [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► button on most elevators their system is [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► all like so advanced for fraud detection [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► these days like I'm pretty sure like [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► when you when you call most greater [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► companies and tell them like oh hey [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► whitelist this thing in the future that [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► hasn't even happened yet [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► I don't think they even can doing [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► because the system is based mostly on [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► like you have a pre-approval orally or [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► the other can attempt for the charge [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► and then do you have like do we actually [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► like a commit for the charge [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► yeah and if they don't have even the [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► attempt for the charge I don't think the [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► people on the phone can even do anything [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► yeah it's funny you bring that up [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► because last year I saw that same [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► message and the fear was put in me and I [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► called my credit card company and I got [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► on the phone with M&S ok you know I'd [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► really like to try to get this charge [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► pre-approved so really it's really [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► important to me and they basically in so [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► many words said yeah that's not a thing [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► we can't do that goodbye clunk oh so [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► this year I did the same thing and I [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► call the credit card company and i took [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► a different approach this time and I [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► said hey there's a really important [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► charge that may or may not be going [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► through and I'd really like to make sure [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► that it doesn't get held up i can you [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► like pre-approve it or annotate my [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► account in some way such that there's a [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► note that this is acceptable and so I [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► eventually got pushed to the fraud [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► department which makes sense because [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► they're the ones who keep track of this [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► thing and I got on the phone with the [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► the woman and she had said you know okay [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► well what were you trying to accomplish [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► what I'd like to prove this thing will [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► you have to understand like there's a [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► lottery and if i win the lottery when we [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► are talking like some sort of one thing [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► no no it's not getting its alright [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► here's the thing so there's this like [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► the conference it's a nerd conference [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► but it's really important to me and this [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► and that and eventually she was like [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► okay too much information already [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► yeah you've already lost yeah so she's [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► okay whatever so I've made a note and [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► then I'm thinking to myself okay well um [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► I don't know if it's relevant or not but [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► the charge would be from Apple she [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► didn't even care who the charges from so [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► I think you're right that she was like [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► yeah okay whatever that's great going [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► and then I by coincidence happen to see [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► a friend of the show underscore David [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► Smith for lunch today and he and I were [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► talking about it and he immediately came [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► to the same conclusion that you guys did [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► which is the 1i eventually came to which [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► was [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► oh yeah this is not a thing it's all [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► automated there's nothing you can do [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► about it anyway [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► good freakin lock these charges look so [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► suspicious also because like it's 1600 [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► dollars which is as much as a laptop [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► costs from a company that if you stole a [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► credit card and you want to go get a [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► quick with something you could quickly [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► flip and sell you probably go buy a [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► fancy technology product like a fancy [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► laptop from apple and so like I [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► it lots of fraudulent charges are for [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► Apple it's also a card not present [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► transaction because it's done online so [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► again if you steal credit card online [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► you probably gonna go try to place order [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► from the Apple web store which is [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► exactly where these charges come from [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► and so it's like I get and and you're [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► calling up and saying like this charge [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► might happen I can't even tell you that [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► I'm definitely trying it i haven't tried [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► it yet this church might happen in a few [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► days so there's you're basically asking [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► their fraud detection systems to [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► completely go against all of the all of [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► their hero sticks and instinct but [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► basically so the note the person made in [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► your account that's for other human [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► beings to read the thing that's going to [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► reject your WWDC charge is not a human [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► and will never look at that note and [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► therefore that notice meaningless [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► oh I completely agree and that's exactly [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► what underscored said as well and I [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► think you're right that it really was [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► just so i could go to sleep at night [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► that if for some reason I had a [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► rejection that I have done everything in [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► my power to make sure that this goes [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► through which is to say I've wasted five [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► minutes of my time and several phone [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► operators time [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► yeah so I had a an alternate strategy [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► suggested by my wife which was why don't [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► you use the credit card that doesn't get [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► rejected which is another one of our [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► credit cards that historically speaking [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► has not gotten me they rejected every [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► time we tried to buy expensive things [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► with it i think we might have gotten [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► spam heart barber with it [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► in fact i did buy some apple hardware [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► with it in California talk about later [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► and so that's a good idea so I went to [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► go change the default credit cards after [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► i dented lottery already i'm nervous and [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► like I already entered the lottery it [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► said that was gonna use that card [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► interchange a different card so I I [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► login to that Apple ID and the have you [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► seen the new site for like [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► developer.apple.com when you sign in [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► that's weird interface where thing is [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► centered and shows your certificates in [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► your itunes connect account and anyway [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► there's an option to go edit your [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► account or your change your payment [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► method and that sends you to apple ID at [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► apple.com and wants you to sign in Marin [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► and my apple ID and try to side in and [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► it says this Apple ID is not an email [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► address you cannot continue and I knew [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► this day would come someday I have an [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► apple ID that is not an email address [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► because I got over [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► long time ago and i've been using it for [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► years and years going to wtz with it [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► doing all sorts of stuff with it and [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► many people I know who had non email [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► Apple IDs had gotten that same message [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► many years pass and had to change it and [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► so I think this is the right the best [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► time to change my apple ID from one [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► that's not an email to one that's an [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► email but i also want to change the [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► payment method and this is the only i [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► tried many different ways to get around [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► this can i get my credit card [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► information without going through this [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► thing that demands they change it to an [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► email [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► eventually i gave up and said I have to [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► change it to an email so now my nan [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► email Apple ID is no more [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► it has been converted recipe miles an [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► email address Apple ID like the rest of [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► the peons and and but I could get into [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► change my credit card and i did and i [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► change the credit card that does not get [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► rejected so that was all my prep and I [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► thought long and hard about you i'll [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► just leave it the way it is or should I [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► try to call somebody to get the credit [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► card changed over the phone while [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► leaving my apple ID is a good idea [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► anyway and that was most of the [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► excitement and bother about it because I [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► thought they were going to tell us who [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► got the ticket on the twenty-fifth but I [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► guess it's just that the lower bound but [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► I saw Marco talking slack about how he [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► hadn't gotten an email that WC yet so i [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► checked my email inbox and lo and behold [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► I saw a 1500 $99 charge yeah you have a [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► WC check it and then I had to scramble [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► and buy plane tickets into all this [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► stuff so i'm going i will be there even [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► though I was just there i will be there [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► again it will cost a tremendous amount [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► of money still haven't decided which [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► hotel which of the two hotel [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► reservations I made I'm going to keep it [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► which I'm going to cancel but one of [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► them i will keep so i will be there [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► yeah right so what else is going on [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► these days you you guys have an [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► experience has been like did you [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► wouldn't a lot the ticket lottery [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► let's talk about anything else in the [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► entire world with that know if you had [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► to take it by your sadness that neither [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► one of you got tickets in the lottery as [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► as we record i have not received an [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► email i have not received a you got one [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► email and i have not received a hot [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► tough cookies email either right you've [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► got until the 25th technically to see [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► whether you get one just because you [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► don't have [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► right now does not mean you're not going [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► to get a ticket lottery because they [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► have a three-day window there so yeah [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► it's probably not happening now I did [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► not see any teach any attempted charge [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► against my card or the person wouldn't [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► even see an attempted once it went [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► through i did not see a charge go [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► through but like i said i haven't [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► received the screw you email yet my [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► coworker Jamie I'm he did get one on the [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► same master account like we're two [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► individuals to members of the same group [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► account here he got his so i'm not too [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► terribly helpful but strictly speaking I [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► have until Monday afternoon to see but [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► we'll see what happens I i have not yet [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► received any confirmation or denial and [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► Marco I believe you're in the same boat [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► that is correct i have seen no no [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► response about my ticket status and [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► they're also i checked my bank and there [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► is not a pending charge on the credit [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► card so I i I've heard you know like dat [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► tapes for the chat is saying that he [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► asked around that that apparently the [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► the charges are still being processed [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► that like it's not over yet but i think [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► it's probably over and that's you know I [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► we talked about this on on [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► under-the-radar this past week or last [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► week i guess i am totally fine going [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► without a ticket [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► like I would prefer to have a ticket but [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► every year i think my need for it goes [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► down and in this year if I if I don't [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► get one through the regular process like [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► everybody else I think obviously like [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► I'm not gonna try to pull strings or [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► anything or you know try to email around [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► or email developer relations or whatever [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► i'm not i don't think i'm gonna do any [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► of that because I don't I if I can get [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► one to the regular means that's great [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► but if I don't you know that out that's [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► fine too i'll let somebody else take it [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► so what do you think about would test [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► this briefly and it's like what do you [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► think about the idea that one or all of [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► us should get tickets because we have a [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► podcast where we talk about apple stuff [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► in other words of us going as press [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► rather than as I develop iOS developers [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► or whatever because i think that is a [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► perfectly legitimate reason people to go [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► to WC in fact I [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► even the past had press pass to WTC for [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► writing is 10 reviews which I'm no [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► longer doing but podcasts our thing and [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► people interested in technology listen [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► to podcast and at the very least you can [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► imagine especially now that they're [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► holding the keynote and the big [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► auditorium will talk about later but [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► there's more room for precedent it you [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► know for the keynote at least if not for [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► the entire conference or maybe just for [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► the first day things with the state of [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► the union everything like that [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► why shouldn't somebody who has a [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► reasonably popular apple tech related [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► podcast be in the running at least be [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► considered for press passes how many [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► tech podcast do get press passes to WC [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► as far as I know there aren't any I'm [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► not aware of any pure podcast they get [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► press passes and they're not there's not [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► an Associated website is not like oh I'm [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► from the verge cast but I'm part of the [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► Virgin the bird gets press passes like [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► just all you have is a podcast kind of [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► like we have there is no ATP website to [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► speak up Marcos got his blog and we all [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► have our own individual blogs and [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► there's an ATM website for the podcast [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► but its not like its associated with a [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► website that has any appreciable traffic [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► for just the show so why shouldn't there [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► be a category of you know we're going to [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► press passes to of course all the big [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► publications and all the big websites [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► and also one or two tech podcast that we [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► pick out of a hat or something [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► I completely agree with you I don't [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► think it's unreasonable but clearly i'm [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► extremely biased and especially right [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► now because although i'm not saying i'm [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► going to pull a bunch of strings because [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► honestly I don't think I even have [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► strings to pull but if strings were [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► pulled on my behalf people of the [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► internet i wouldn't complain because I'm [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► still better know that stuff and I would [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► still I would still love to get an [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► actual ticket into the big show [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► I will be there regardless but I would [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► love to have a ticket [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► especially since it is more pertinent to [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► my to my world than ever before [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► nobody really like 44 up among the three [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► of us I think Casey you probably have [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► the biggest justification for going this [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► year this year yeah I don't think we [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► could see that in years past but this [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► year i would agree although it's [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► probably best that have any of us John [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► gets it because all three of us know [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► that if john didn't get a ticket there's [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► no freaking way we convince him to go to [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► San Francisco for funsies exactly i was [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► just there do anything [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► exactly even more reason for you to tell [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► us to kindly screw off [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► it is worth pointing out also that like [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► the depressed tickets like that the [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► people who cover the the keynote for the [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► press who get press badges [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► first of all it's kind of awesome [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► giggles you don't have to wait in the [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► four hour long line but second of all [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► those people do not get conference [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► badges for the rest of the conference [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► it's only the keynote in in general [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► there are there are exceptions [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► yeah it's very rare to have an exception [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► though you know it would be plausible [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► unreasonable for them to consider large [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► tech podcasts to cover the developer [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► conference to give them press passes but [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► it wouldn't necessarily follow that they [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► would get conference tickets and that [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► and the press passes tend to go out far [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► later like the you know we're not like [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► the press people aren't getting invited [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► now everybody get invited to it before [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► the event [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► yeah and in the old days it used to be [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► you know that the USA Today and the new [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► york times in Time magazine stuff will [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► get press passes but websites would not [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► and then eventually a couple of websites [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► became part of the Blessed set that [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► Apple PR chose to give pass through [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► these days it seems like it's been [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► mostly websites and then of course paper [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► complications or whatever so there is a [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► progression of what are the what is the [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► the the the entities that are allowed to [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► get press passes what are they are they [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► newspapers magazines websites podcast I [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► don't think you're in that group yet but [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► it's a natural progression from only [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► inviting paper publications to also [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► including websites to eventually [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► including podcast assuming the audience [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► of any podcast is big enough to warrant [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► that may be ours isn't you know i'm not [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► saying that we you know that ATP needs [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► to get some but i am yeah i'll say that [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► yeah but come on John promote yourself [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► well you got one you're fine yeah you [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► don't care i mean i got press pass with [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► our technical perspective as a very big [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► website and the verge of a very big [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► website right where's and any individual [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► podcast can't really compare to the size [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► of a very big website like that so maybe [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► there's some minimum number that they [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► you know a minimum minimum audience size [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► or whatever they want [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► do anyway I think if someone inside [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► apples into this that it would be silly [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► not to include podcasts in your list of [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► entities who should get press passes for [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► the keynote on the first day studying [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► stuff because it wasn't the podcast [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► people like them and they're just as a [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► legitimate form of coverage and [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► discussion as anything else it's also [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► worth pointing out to that the the watch [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► event the very first watch event and [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► went over this like September November [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► 2014 write something like that and that [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► was at the bill Grampa storm also [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► actually but that very first watch event [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► at that event that was the first time [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► where they really invited a very broad [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► swath of press and partly because they [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► were going into a new categories they [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► had like watch press fashion press but [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► that was also the first president I know [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► of where they invited major youtube tech [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► people like mkbhd it seems like they're [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► like breaking the YouTube barrier or the [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► YouTube seal they're breaking the [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► YouTube zeal in the last couple of [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► events recently at least the really big [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► ones I so maybe podcast have some hope [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► and unfortunately you know podcasts are [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► indeed older than you too but youtube is [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► way bigger than podcasts and like mkbhd [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► had like his audience has is probably 10 [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► or 15 times the size of ours at least it [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► probably more than that I haven't looked [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► recently millions i got millions of [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► viewers are not on the youtube channel [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► so yeah exactly yeah so so you know [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► there are there are lots of like you [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► know really popular youtubers who would [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► buy raw numbers be ranked way above a [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► tech podcast like ours but you know [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► Apple PR also it's not purely based on [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► numbers it's partly based on like you [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► know who you know it's partly based on a [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► long established reputation and probably [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► based on influence so somebody who has a [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► relatively small readership but high [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► influence like jim dalrymple is a great [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► example [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► jim dalrymple site like if you look at [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► his numbers on it on his stats and [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► sponsorship pages like there are sites [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► that get more than that that don't get [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► passes but because he's so influential [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► that and he's been around so long [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► covering this stuff I think that helps [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► him be included on those lists so this [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► there's it isn't all about numbers it is [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► also about influence and relationships [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► yeah some of the chat room is saying [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► that that [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► if they if they picked like it picked [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► all three of us maybe we'll be like you [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► know inside baseball IQ chamber [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► favoritism or whatever like that's the [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► job of PR the PR department yeah it's [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► job is just select which people and they [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► that one possible PR strategies only [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► invite people who you know love apple is [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► that the best PR strategy probably not [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► but their whole job is to decide who to [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► pick [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► of course it's all favoritism attitude [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► its who it to apple PR favors and apple [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► prf it's good [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► well not only favor you know people that [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► love Apple they will try to have an even [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► mix where they want a positive outcome [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► but they're not just going to pick [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► people who don't know never say anything [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► negative about Apple there they're [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► picking based on a complicated criteria [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► but is it is ultimately entirely their [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► choice right so there's no such thing as [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► you know favoritism [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► it's theirs it's not like there's no one [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► of the opposite of favoritism that the [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► government picks you get sick cover you [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► don't mind if animals conference it's [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► apples conference of their PR people [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► pick who gets press passes that's it [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► there's no it's not a democracy [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► it's not you know so anyway and i would [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► imagine to like the your ability to say [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► negative things about apple and still [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► get invited [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► it's probably correlated to your age and [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► size so like you know Joanna stern can [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► say in the wall street journal that the [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► iphone doesn't have enough battery life [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► but if we say that that might hurt our [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► chances of getting it you know like [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► because we are not like we're not the [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► wall street [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► yeah thanks Marco yeah sorry about that [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► you ruined it for all of us [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► well John got in something for you Casey [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► Starkey's no i mean i can once you once [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► you come out of the press around talking [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► about whether we should get passes a [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► press passes or whatever then it just [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► gets into okay well you're just another [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► iOS developer like everybody else and [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► then I have no idea what hours and they [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► used to randomly pick up i did not win [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► the lottery last year or the year before [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► the how many times years as lottery been [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► going 30 billion hits on this is the [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► first time I actually won lottery all [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► the other years I've got like you know [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► press pass and stuff so you know that's [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► probability for you [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► yeah i should also note it is very clear [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► on the wEDC website where they go [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► through the policies and whatnot that [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► tickets are non-transferable you know if [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► somebody was kind enough to [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► offer like hey Mark ok so you can have [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► my ticket because i want you to have it [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► even though you know I want it I it is [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► possible to make that happen but he [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► basically what you have to do is ask [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► apple and give them a pretty good reason [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► and they have every right to say haha no [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► so yeah it seems like if we if mark when [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► I don't get them sometime in the next [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► few hours / couple of days then we'll [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► just be goofing off in San Francisco [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► ride the cable cars eating rice a roni [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► we will be sleeping in on monday that's [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► what we're gonna be doing we're going to [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► be here I'm not waiting on the freezing [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► cold line to 5am yeah that is absolutely [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► true and will be in a lot of rice around [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► because it's the San Francisco treat [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► thinking oh my god we couldn't even make [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► that joke is my kids don't have never [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► seen that commercial that's all good [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► that's right that's your job as a parent [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► is to make jokes that are barely funny [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► to begin with that your kids won't even [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► get all right well have fun john its [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► cool actually have a good time to come [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► anyway go to go to layers conference or [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► something that's probably going to be [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► actually I I don't think it's even been [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► announced officially yet but now they've [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► announced the dates [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► there's no tickets no updates have been [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► announced yet so take it you can't buy [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► tickets yet but I i will we go [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► I think I mean if i don't get [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► everybody's eating i'll definitely be [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► going two layers and I think I'd even be [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► going anyway last year i actually got [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► both and and I didn't regret that at all [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► so i am looking forward two layers this [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► year so yes I'll be there for that at [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► least [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► and I everybody plane ticket I'm going [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► to the whole week so I'll see you I'll [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► see you there regardless of what happens [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► yeah we're all going to be there oh and [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► by the way of like everyone's talking [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► about this but like WC has been getting [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► more and more expensive as a couple blog [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► post about how much more expensive it is [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► the past [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► yeah i think this is close to my limit [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► of like next year if current trends [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► continue i may not even enter the [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► lottery because it is such a tremendous [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► amount of money and i'm not writing and [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► always 10 review so I'm basically going [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► for the purposes of this show and my own [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► edification combination but boy it is a [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► lot of money i look at how much money is [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► causing it all in and I just think about [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► what else I could [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► without money at you know as my life [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► reminds me it will be tax deductible [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► because this is a work thing but boy [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► it's it's very difficult to justify as [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► the the price keeps going up [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► yes and especially like the hotel prices [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► there are probably the biggest chunk of [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► it for most people now unless you're [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► flying from somewhere very far away but [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► otherwise your panel you're paying [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► almost two thousand dollars for the [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► hotel in most cases or more or-- yeah [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► actually you could depending on how far [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► you're willing to walk and many other [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► things whether you require a bathroom no [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► other such things that seem like they [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► should be included it [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► yeah that's why I made multiple [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► reservations so that i can just decide [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► how much you want to spend based on how [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► far i want to walk and all sorts of [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► other issues and and by the way that's [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► yeah people don't know I'm sure Marco [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► covered this in the developing [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► perspective that I'm not listen to under [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► the radar perfect moment expected it's [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► an understandable mistake one of those [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► underscore shows about prep for WBC and [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► the thing that everybody in our circle [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► tends to do these days is try to figure [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► out when wdc is going to be based on [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► reading tea leaves and stuff and then [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► just make hotel reservations many many [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► months in advance so i think i made my [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► hotel reservations in january-february [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► or something [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► yeah I made mine in February yet you can [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► cancel hotel reservations without any [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► cost and most hotels so you just guess [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► and make a whole bunch of reservations [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► for the whole bunch of weeks and when [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► apple announces that you canceled the [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► other ones [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► yep that's exactly what i did i booked [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► an early februari ended up guessing [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► correctly which was excellent and the [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► bill in early februari for the hotel [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► where we all tend to stay was 2500 [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► dollars and actually or roughly and [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► actually went through in dug up what the [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► bills were at this same hotel over last [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► year's a great blog post about this and [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► in 2013 it was 1123 dollars in 46 cents [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► and as I just said in 2016 it's going to [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► be there abouts of twenty-five hundred [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► dollars so if I were to get a ticket [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► which I'm hoping but not expecting then [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► it's roughly four thousand dollars to go [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► to exceed even go there to be in san [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► francisco teleported by magic to sleep [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► there and then go to WCC now i have not [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► eaten any dinners [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► I haven't actually made [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► get to San Francisco yet all i'm doing [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► is sleeping and going to the conference [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► and I've looked at plane tickets are [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► booked my outbound ticket because i knew [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► i was going to be there for at least a [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► couple days even without a WBC ticket i [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► have yet to book my return flight but it [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► should be about five hundred dollars all [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► told [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► so in case you're wondering it costs [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► about the same amount of money to be [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► transported in a tube through space [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► 3,000 miles whatever it is across the [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► country it is it does to sleep one night [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► in San Francisco actually all across the [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► country and back i should say is [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► approximately the same as one night in [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► San Francisco a joke made last year's [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► every night you're there for WC this one [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► Apple watch go to sleep another block [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► and another on now it's gonna be it's a [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► little bit nicer Apple watch every night [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► soon we're gonna get graduate to the [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► stainless steel model everything right [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► now that I've gotten a ticket you can [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► thank me for ensuring that there will be [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► no new file system this year because i [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► didn't show up they were definitely [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► announced a new file system but because [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► i'm going to be there [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► there will be no no file system this [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► year 2017 like I said 2017 I'm gonna [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► take it and now they're all really new [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► file system and maybe we'll get the the [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► tester USB hub before then it's funny [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► because I'd said to a few people leading [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► up to the WWDC tickets being announced [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► you know here it was I've been 20 11 [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► through 15 inclusive and every one of [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► those those years you would think well I [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► kind of didn't have a lot of business [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► being there like I sort of did once ATP [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► came but in terms of like my day-to-day [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► job I had no business being there I was [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► very lucky and here it is i am now an [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► honest-to-goodness iOS developer and [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► sitting here now I do not have a WWDC [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► ticket the one time when it makes sense [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► for me to have 1i don't [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► it's okay though i'll be ok my first [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► sponsor this week is fracture fracture [TS]

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00:28:03 ◼   ► on glass in vivid colors these colors [TS]

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00:28:09 ◼   ► that are ready to mount right out of the [TS]

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00:28:22 ◼   ► not part of the Instagram generation [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► they have all sorts of sizes up from [TS]

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00:28:28 ◼   ► reasonable i have these all over my [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► office we accomplished on our fracture [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► prints all time because they look great [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► and they are so modern-looking they it's [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► just a piece of glass with the photo [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► printer edge-to-edge and that's it [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► there's no there's no frame around it [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► there's no border around it doesn't need [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► to be I think it would look weird if it [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► had one these things just look like pure [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► photos and a nice modern print you don't [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► have to worry about framing their [TS]

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00:28:55 ◼   ► about like a half trying to hang like a [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► really heavy duty hook in the water hold [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► this thing up it they're just great i [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► love these fracture prints so check out [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► they make great gifts also i've sent [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► them to number of people relatives [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► friends things like a picture your kid [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► if you're just sending it to to your [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► your parents or something like that [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► these things make great gifts even gag [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► gifts and your friends if you want if [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► you go on a trip with your friends you [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► want some pictures afterwards any kind [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► of holiday or celebrating birthdays [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► anything that these things make great [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► gifts or just fine for your own house [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► because they really are i think the best [TS]

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00:29:44 ◼   ► you very much [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► we should probably do what is [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► undisputedly follow-up and we should [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► talk about what a friend of the show [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► Manresa is written in regarding this is [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► about the charging stations again [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► Tesla versus other he was pointing out [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► the standard charging connector that we [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► talked about last show on this is where [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► he is in austin texas [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► there are hundreds of what he calls [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► level 2 charging stations in austin [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► alone [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► ChargePoint comments 27,000 a total [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► vastly outnumbered supercharger so these [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► are not the super fast super charge [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► things for Tesla or otherwise there's [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► kind of like plug your car and while [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► you're shopping while your coders they [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► charge more slowly but there are many [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► many more of them some of them are free [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► some of them charge hourly rate or [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► whatever it does have a lot of respect [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► for testing trying to solve the road [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► trip problem its ambitious and the kind [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► of thing and no car company would do no [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► other company would do but they're also [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► doing a good job of having destination [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► charges at hotels and I've seen great [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► progress on the infrastructure you [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► actually need day-to-day with [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► in cities and those aren't from Tesla so [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► we talk so much about tests on the [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► superchargers but it's an important to [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► acknowledge my say this to the mall and [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► stuff that there are tons of electric [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► car park here parking spots and I guess [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► those all of the standard SATA connector [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► in them and no they don't charge you as [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► fast as the superchargers do that's why [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► the supercharger super but there's way [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► more of them [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► excellent we should also talk about and [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► we made reference to him earlier mkbhd [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► yeah now they're all jealous of the [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► press pass that he's getting and we're [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► not we should take this time to dance on [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► his self-inflicted grave is that now [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► mixing metaphors sorry what happened i [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► miss this [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► Oh quote me yeah he did to his credit he [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► tweeted this himself is a tweet from him [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► he says me and 2015 i guarantee an extra [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► macbook will have at least two USB [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► seaports and then he put me right now [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► because of course the new macbook was [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► updated talk about that a little later [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► it does not have two USB ports last year [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► or whenever he made that video he was [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► very adamant that it will have more than [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► one quote me he said and I believe we [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► had to chuckle about it on the show [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► because it's totally apple thing to do [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► to not add one more port despite the [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► fact that we had like 17 episodes of ATP [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► talking about this one port we were not [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► convinced [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► I don't think of my recollection serves [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► and now it's going to be 18 [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► yeah that that Apple was going to change [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► their mind just because we want more [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► than one port doesn't mean Apple does [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► and lo and behold there's a new macbook [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► out it does not have more than one port [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► mkbhd called himself on it to his credit [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► we will put the links in the show notes [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► so and and also I think he ran out of [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► room in the tweet because in the tweet [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► he said I guarantee an action macbook [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► and the actual quote he said I pretty [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► much guarantee the second generation of [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► this than my name a club so he said [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► pretty much so we had a walk forward in [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► this was learning learning the ways of [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► learning the ways of the waffle words he [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► said pretty much guarantee which is not [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► the same as a guarantee it's like [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► virtually spotless your dishes will have [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► spots so I gave him a pass i also agree [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► that a shot more than one port as [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► previously discussed but they don't [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► yeah i mean something tells me that we [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► have more to learn from mkbhd then he [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► has to learn from us but i think but i [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► think you know that we've seen a lot of [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► comments since they [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► so apple apple update the macbook one [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► the 12-inch MacBook which I call the [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► macbook one which actually had that name [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► has stuck around in in our circle and [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► actually very proud of that so-and-so [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► apple has updated the the macbook one [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► with skylake cpu this past week and it [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► is not a big update it is it a lot of [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► people are really expecting expecting [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► basically the impossible from this that [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► and I can't blame me know Apple has [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► cultivated a an expectation of like [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► products get a lot better in their [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► second and third generations and [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► everything is always getting better all [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► the time so it shouldn't this get better [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► by a bit by bleeps and bounds to and the [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► reality is that the macbook one uses a [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► special extremely low power consumption [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► Intel platform it uses a very low-power [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► cpu with a very limited low-power [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► chipset to power everything else also [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► and one of the one of the the core [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► principles of you know computers today [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► modern mobile computers especially [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► laptops at and it is that you basically [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► have your limited by x power and [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► thermals and so you have different [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► classes of what kind of performance and [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► what kind of connectivity what kind of [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► Port what kind of luxuries you know what [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► kind of speeds how many cores these are [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► all determined by fundamentally like how [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► much power can you supply the cpu and [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► then correspondingly how much heat can [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► you cool from this from being emitted [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► from the cpu like a macbook air those [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► CPUs are something like 17 wat [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► consumption and heat design a 13-inch [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► macbook i forget what those are [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► something like the the 25 range maybe [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► and then a 15-inch with the quad cores [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► that's going to be some somewhere in the [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► 40-watt range the macbook one CPU has a [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► 5 watt range a 5 watt cpu cannot do a [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► whole lot compared to even the 17 wat [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► cpus in the macbook air let alone like [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► the nicer you know 20 or 30 what's he [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► using like a 13-inch macbook pro you [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► know the macbook one is designed its [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► fanless which is one of the biggest [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► limitations of this because even a [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► little bit [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► of air moving through a heat sink can [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► cool way more effectively then totally [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► passive cooling systems so this thing [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► has no fan it has a very small battery [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► inside a very small enclosure so the [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► limitations placed on this are such that [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► the macbook one as long as it continues [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► to be there in that size enclosure and [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► not have an active cooling fan and not [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► have a substantially bigger battery it [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► will never have similar performance as [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► like even a couple generation old [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► 13-inch macbook pro or even a couple [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► generation old macbook air if the [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► macbook airs continue to be updated [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► which is a giant if the answer is [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► probably no but like people who expected [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► the macbook one to be like two or three [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► times faster than it was before [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► you're gonna be disappointed because [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► there just isn't enough thermal Headroom [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► in that kind of in that enclosure you [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► like and and desktop or in a pc cpus [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► don't make those kind of jumps and power [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► efficiency in one year [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► this computer will never match the [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► macbook pro of like even two or three [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► years ago it will you know it's it's [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► very limited by what it can do and if [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► you want something basically the the new [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► macbook one is something like twenty [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► percent faster than the old macbook 1i I [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► haven't seen a whole bunch of x marks [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► yet but it's in that ballpark in the [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► ballpark in the ballpark of twenty [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► percent faster and that's a big bump too [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► because like you're normally when we get [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► new max it's like oh and the cpu is [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► fifteen percent faster and take what you [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► can get twenty twenty-five percent [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► faster and cpu is nothing to sneeze at [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► like I don't think this is a bad update [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► it is faster and gets more battery life [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► that's what updates are supposed to do [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► they just didn't end that USB port [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► well exactly but like a lot of people [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► especially people who have owned the [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► different the macbook one that the [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► previously on the first generation one a [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► lot of them you know the macbook one is [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► a very slow computer a lot of them were [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► hoping that this would make it a [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► reasonably speeded computer and it just [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► doesn't because like slow x 1.2 is still [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► slow you know and and you're like twenty [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► percent in in one generation is a [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► massive jump in in for pcp use these [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► days you're looking to get five or ten [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► percent most of the time so this is this [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► was a [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► substantial jump skylight was a long [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► time coming and it's a it's a major [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► advancement by Intel and so they put [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► this in here and they still it's still a [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► slow computer it's still only has one [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► port and some of that is because of [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► limitations on that low power chipset [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► adding more port requires more from the [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► chipset which the super low power chips [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► that in for something people want [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► doesn't even support it for some of the [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► things you know we don't know why the [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► reasons are that they were made but they [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► probably have to do with space and power [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► so this computer will never be what the [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► macbook air is today the role the [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► macbook air service today requires a [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► little bit more space a little bigger [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► battery and a fan this is kind of a [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► problem like Apple has replaced the [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► macbook air effectively from from the [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► way it appears they replaced the macbook [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► air with a computer that can never [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► replace the macbook air and it might be [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► it might be relevant [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► you know the people a lot of people like [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► this better [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► that's fine the macbook pro is likely to [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► get a lot thinner and lighter when it [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► gets its skylake updated you know any [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► any any day now basically probably WC so [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► the macbook air is is kind of just left [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► for nothing that there's now these [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► wonderful 17 wat cpus that Intel makes [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► that Apple is just not going to be using [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► i guess in the future which seems like a [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► mistake but I don't know [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► so the macbook one in order to get that [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► size you're giving up quite a lot and [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► one of those things is that computer [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► will never be fast relative to the rest [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► of the computers it won't even be [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► remotely competitive into compared to [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► the rest of the lineup and it will never [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► have that candy connectivity the rest of [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► the lineup if that's what you want if [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► you want some kind of modern performance [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► and decent connectivity you're gonna [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► have to go with a bigger model and [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► that's not too bad because the bigger [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► models are awesome [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► then they get a SS a speed bump to yes [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► yeah faster storage and I think faster [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► storage will probably have more of an [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► impact on people's lives of that [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► computer then cpus because i don't think [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► people are using it to do like big cpu [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► or they shouldn't be using a big cpu a [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► test but everything you do like involves [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► the disk like launching things and just [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► web browser [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► buzzing with the disk cache and [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► everything so I don't use one of these [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► in person but yeah but like that the [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► disk was already fast it was already a [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► pci-express native SSD like it they know [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► it is you know if you look at raw [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► numbers it is faster now and it's faster [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► by a pretty good margin in like disc [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► benchmarks but the whole machine is [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► still held back dramatically by the very [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► slow cpu and it's very low-power ceiling [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► you might think like I thought when I [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► bought one for a day I thought you know [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► what am i doing on a laptop that needs [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► that much power it's like not most most [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► of the time just like typing answering [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► emails and stuff so most of the time [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► it's fine right [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► first of all typing on that but also the [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► trackpad and that's the worst for stock [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► trak i have i've ever used but you'd be [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► surprised like modern OS 10 and things [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► you take for granted that do you see pu [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► power like viewing your photos like if [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► you if you wanted to like take your to [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► sync your photo library over to that [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► computer so you can take it with you and [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► like look at on vacation or add to it on [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► vacation or do even like basic [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► operations on photos that you take on [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► vacation even if there's photos from [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► your phone not from a fancy camera that [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► actually does use cpu power on the mac [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► and it actually is noticeably annoyingly [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► slow on that computer for a lot of cases [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► so again it's just like this computer if [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► what you want is is a decently speedy [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► computer that you're not going to ever [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► notice is that slow this is not the [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► computer for you because it will always [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► be slow [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► it can't be fast relative to the rest of [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► the lineup with that kind of thermal [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► headroom limitation this is the part of [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► the program or i willfully refused to [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► look up the Geekbench numbers for this [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► quote-unquote slow macbook and compare [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► them to let the 2008 mac pro that I'm [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► sitting in front of the size of soup [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► don't want to know [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► moving on i think just for reference i'm [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► pretty sure it'll probably kill you one [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► single threaded but I don't you I think [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► you have at least double a [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► multi-threaded let's not discuss what [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► you do what you have the 2.66 is an [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► eight core 2.6 remember 2.8 right let me [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► say something like that yeah now to [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► point it is a core 2.8 mac pro [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► 2008a now without looking up by doing [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► what did you think he was doing John you [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► shouldn't answer that question [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► no it feels fast i have all the storage [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► check look I've got a terabyte SSD take [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► that macbook listen to your bargaining [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► with yourself [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► the story it's ok no Tara by this is the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► option and that thing even though my [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► hookup setup pci-express but I think [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► about that it is at least it's one USB [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► port USB 3 you don't have that either [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► had no I don't usb3 don't care about [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► that way more USB ports that anyway [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► while we send the chatroom off to figure [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► out how miserable John should be [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► oh my god you're single threaded is only [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► 1500 on that [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► Shh no mr. wellness come out of your [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► many year holes are imax or 4,000 2008 [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► computer give me a break it was fast but [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► I got it the multi-threaded is [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► respectable you got 10,000 ultra that is [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► respectable but 1,500 single that like [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► iphones beat that now [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► oh my new iPad is faster than this mac [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► pro anyway bumper sounds I put this in [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► there because oh I apologize show [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► yes last show Marco talked about the [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► bumper sounds and we discuss the the [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► start times you use and he said he [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► wanted to use the windows XP USB thing [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► but didn't because I wouldn't like it [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► and what are you doing the next show [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► he used the USB sound from Windows XP [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► and guess what I don't like it but [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► they're wonderful and guess what [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► everyone else looks like when I was not [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► everyone out the windows users like that [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► go windows i remember that that's great [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► of course they're gonna lie here it is [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► nothing to know what the problem is it's [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► just what Marco said it was my guess was [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► last episode is what it was just Marcus [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► said it's a perfect like mirror images [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► did you and do [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► it's perfect their bad sounds and [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► they're from windows in the front [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► windows XP for crying out loud [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► oh here's what the windows XP sounds did [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► they made me like the the startup chime [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► sounds better like by comparison even [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► though I thought the start times that he [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► chose were not the ones that I would [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► have picked at least they were ample [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► sounds they weren't from windows and [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► they weren't no i do not like them i do [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► not like the the windows XP this is not [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► the apple tech podcast it's the [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► accidental text podcast and we have [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► accidentally that's what we talked about [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► Apple all the time [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► I mean numbers even use windows anymore [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► and no it won't but we have accidentally [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► backed into the perfect and bumper [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► sounds I marco i stand with you I'm in [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► full support they're not the perfect dad [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► bumper sounds they're terrible and [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► Microsoft's gonna come to you anyway I [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► think he might be so old that maybe [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► public domain was it death of the author [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► plus 75 years that they get something [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► like that right [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► it's closed how old is windows XP [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► doesn't brian eno to do those sounds a [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► brand-new did some windows sounds maybe [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► we'll just for windows 95 he's still [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► alive [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► oh goodness I well I like them now I [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► don't wanna get sued for into oblivion [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► but i do like we're not gonna get sued [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► by the way I'm I'm filing a formal [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► protest against the windows XP USB [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► sounds add pumpers so listeners feel [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► free to tweet at siracusa about how much [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► you want the SP sounds because we all do [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► our buddy idea is that the only way it's [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► gonna go away so we have better [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► alternatives so people should come up [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► with high-quality recordings are better [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► alternatives that are either from apple [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► or from whole cloth that are not related [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► to windows or fish maybe I would except [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► fish more than windows and also liked it [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► much of the complaining about the other [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► Santa Fe old Mac sounds is that they [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► were like kinda like to jarring yeah I'm [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► great windows when windows sound design [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► is always made to be so like universally [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► pleasing that everybody feels nothing [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► like the windows sounds are like the [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► sand equivalent of the paintings in [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► hotel rooms like you just ask notice [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► that there's a like it is nice when [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► their sound there but you don't notice [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► the sound and it just it offends nobody [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► it's completely bland and it's fine i [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► think the login sounds offensive you [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► know the login sound oh ya doing [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► I don't know then that the one you login [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► and the big ugly windows XP green grass [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► desktop greets you [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► well I thought login was like blue and [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► then the logout was do do right [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► yeah maybe I remember it the wrong way [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► but anyway I think some of the window [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► sounds are offensive and I think the USB [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► sound like its emitting a sound when you [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► plug in the USB device and I don't like [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► the sound comes down [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► well I'm not gonna get into a fight with [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► the USB stack an OS 10 is is not as good [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► as the window like you can't just unplug [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► USB stick [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► even though i've been using the USB [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► stick i guess it would like buffered io [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► like it engine [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► it is used to flush I owe every single [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► eye operation and it just look at way to [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► the light's not blinking and yank it out [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► that's barbaric [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► come on why not just go back to drive [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► letters I tell you what the one thing [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► that it that drives windows you convert [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► crazy [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► anytime I talk to one and it drives me [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► crazy too is having to unmount drives it [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► drives people even have to have to eject [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► what are you talking about but that's [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► how modern i/o system works you don't [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► flush everything discount every [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► operation that would be crazypants you [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► have a buffer and you have flash that [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► buffer and you you have to know when [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► it's safe to inject something how do you [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► know how do you know when it's safe I [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► mean going back to the old unix days [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► type you know sink twice because it's [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► voodoo and the second time really counts [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► and then you can unmount your thing [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► because then you'll know all the bits [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► have made their way to the disc goodness [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► we also sponsor tonight by betterment it [TS]

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00:47:19 ◼   ► major news sites betterment makes it [TS]

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00:48:17 ◼   ► WBC is gonna be a little bit different [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► this year I'm probably not gonna know [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► about it in normal Marco I'm sorry i'll [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► compose myself I'm there's going to be a [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► different location for monday we're [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► going to be at the bill graham [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► auditorium which we briefly made mention [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► of earlier this is a change from at [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► least before 2011 i mean like i said [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► i've been going since 2011 Marco since [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► 09 is that right yeah no I mean they've [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► never done something like this in San [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► Francisco as far as what they used to be [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► back if you go back far enough and if [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► you include Macworld's that they have [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► like you know things in boston and [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► everything though that was all before [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► our time right [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► so monday the way Monday's typically [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► work in the past was you would line up [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► absurdly early outside of moscone which [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► is where the conference's you would be [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► letting uncomfortably close to the time [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► of the keynote usually anyway you would [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► walk up to 3 or you would migrate your [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► way up to the third floor which the [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► keynote was then there would be a mad [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► Stampede into the keynote room there be [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► the keynote everyone would get punted [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► downstairs to eat and then you would [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► come back up and you would watch the [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► developer state of the union which was [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► kinda like a keynote but for nerdier [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► types and then tuesday through friday [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► was just regular conference time this [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► year apparently on Monday it's all going [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► to be the bill graham auditorium the and [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► actually even the check in on sunday the [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► way it always used to work was you could [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► check in Moscow neon sunday now that [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► check is apparently the bill graham [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► auditorium on Sunday and then all day [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► monday is that the auditorium the that's [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► where the keynote will be that's where [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► the state of the union will be is there [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► anything else that evening I feel like [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► there's one other thing [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► ATS right Apple Design Awards that's [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► right that's going to be on Monday night [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► all the program auditorium and then the [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► thing that used to be called the beer [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► beer bash now I guess it's called the [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► wdc bash that used to be at yerba buena [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► gardens which is this like a park just a [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► couple blocks moscone now that's also [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► going to be at the bill graham [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► auditorium so it's like to be outdoors [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► anymore and it's going to be off-site [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► again as well further off site anyway [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► and this is all bit of a change and [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► there was a funny tweet by friend of the [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► show Craig Hockenberry I don't know if [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► he's being snarky or not because I don't [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► know enough about [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► San Francisco but it reads as follows [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► seriously do not take a direct route [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► from WWDC hotel bill graham get onto [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► market street pay attention from powell [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► to the Civic Center apparently because [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► that area which I guess the Tenderloin [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► I'm sorry san franciscans is a little [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► bit rough [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► so there's transportation for the beer [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► bash for the WTC bash [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► I don't believe there's any for the [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► keynote on Monday now the bigger venue [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► makes sense in terms of wanting really [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► for wanting more press like pleaded with [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► the watch event we just invite everybody [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► sure come out we will accept your [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► coverage and we need more room for you [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► so it's WABC attendees and tons and tons [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► and press come look at whatever it is [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► we're going to announce State of the [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► Union I feel like I mean the only reason [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► you're holding a bears because that's [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► where the keynote is not gonna make [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► everybody move from one location [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► together but I imagine a lot of the crab [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► will disappear once they bring the [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► engineering people up and start not [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► talking about techie stuff the bash [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► I don't know what it's not outdoors that [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► it's kinda nice when I was outdoors I [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► mean that they have weird food and the [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► band was kind of a mess because like [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► half the crowd repainted the banner half [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► will be trying to hear each other over [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► the sound of the band I mean that's I [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► think that's generous like this for me [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► like the bash it has always been [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► uncomfortable because you have a band on [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► one side and usually you know it's a [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► band that like the people they're [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► usually have heard of the band at least [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► many of them heard of the band or at [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► least they're popular song like that the [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► oh yeah i know that one song but its net [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► but the people who are there are not [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► there for the band [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► it's it's all that everybody see [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► attendees they're mostly to talk to each [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► other and so you have this band off on [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► one side playing on the stage playing [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► mostly to people's backs and there's [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► this huge like open area in front of the [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► stage where nobody wants to stand [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► because everyone's trying to get away [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► from the band's they can hear each other [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► talk to the band is playing to [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► effectively a bunch of people who would [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► rather they turn the volume down and [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► stop but it's it's a terrible gig for [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► the band like it is so awkward and I [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► feel so bad like like that the band like [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► that will finish the song and there will [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► be literally like four people near them [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► clapping and everyone else just like [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► dead [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► silently it's not that bad sometimes [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► probably as little a little group of [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► fans who are closed five actually into [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► it i mean like at the band is a separate [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► thing but like I feel like the people [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► who are not therefore the band their [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► needs are not serve much better than the [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► band I think about it being in the [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► program auditorium if there's going to [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► be a band there's nobody to run from [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► that band there's nowhere to hide like [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► you just getting here [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► that's why I like I'm curious about this [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► because it sounds like that would make [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► all the problems worse [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► yeah well no it would not eliminate the [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► problem in terms of if the only reason [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► you would possibly go to it is if you [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► want to see the band because you're not [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► gonna be able to have any discussion [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► with anybody in the giant auditorium [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► with huge sound system is that it's like [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► when you to play dinner watch events [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► like people were having conversations in [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► the bathroom you couldn't hear yourself [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► think [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► yeah I don't know we'll see how it goes [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► i would how great would it be if the [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► band was you too and they only played [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► songs of innocence [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► that's not a bad album you know first of [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► all back not know how to feel like dates [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► the single videos to play off of the [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► watch event you know not the best on [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► anyway it's not gonna be you two again [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► but if it was I would go wow I didn't [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► even go to the bash last year yeah I [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► don't think I've seen you there in [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► several years now [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► now you have a conflict with other with [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► other things and but you know I i have [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► the time i got the best i have enjoyed [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► it we can hit way in the back and you go [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► from circle of people to circle of [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► people and yell really loud and so your [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► voices don't give up but it's like it's [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► the one time I feel like I get to see [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► everybody because everybody you know all [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► the people i know are hiding in the back [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► in little clusters and I can't find the [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► words during the conference if you [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► happen to pick the same session of [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► somebody you see where they're sitting [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► you can talk to them briefly before [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► after but the batches you know it's a [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► gathering of people and it's like the [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► end of the conference and I have fond [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► memories of the few years that I that I [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► went there it's just not not ideal for [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► the purpose that I would like to use it [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► for it and that's what I think that's [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► like what most like I think most people [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► are there to socialize they're not there [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► to see a band it and you're away was [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► already like it was crowded in there [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► like even like trying to walk through [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► and just like get from one side to the [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► other or to get to the food things or to [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► you know did it to leave or to end her [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► you were going [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► it was such a crowd it was like walking [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► through Times Square like it's you're [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► like trying to wait between people like [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► we've really it was always very densely [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► packed least in recent years just look [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► for Craig Hockenberry his head and now [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► get something that's so true for those [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► who don't know Craig Hockenberry is [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► approximately 13 feet tall about that [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► so the mash is going to be a program i [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► don't know III that's a weird setup like [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► you guys said and I do feel for the [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► bands to play the best because i usually [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► whether or not you like the music [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► generally speaking the bands are good [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► and they're typically up-and-coming [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► bands but just like Marco said it's the [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► worst thing in the world because at [TS]