Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► >> Hey.

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00:00:12 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is RelayCon WWDC live in San Francisco.

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00:00:24 ◼   ► >> Hey, buddy.

00:00:25 ◼   ► >> Hey.

00:00:26 ◼   ► >> So, this is amazing.

00:00:28 ◼   ► Thank you so much to everyone who's here.

00:00:30 ◼   ► Right now, we are like so happy to do this.

00:00:32 ◼   ► This is our first live WWDC show, first of many.

00:00:37 ◼   ► - Many?

00:00:39 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:00:40 ◼   ► - I need to recover.

00:00:41 ◼   ► - So we're just blown away that we can do this

00:00:45 ◼   ► and thank you all for coming.

00:00:47 ◼   ► I also wanna say as well for anybody listening,

00:00:49 ◼   ► thank you if you signed up for the waiting list.

00:00:52 ◼   ► We're sorry, next year we'll have a bigger room.

00:00:55 ◼   ► - We'll move next door, it's much bigger.

00:00:57 ◼   ► Okay, we'll do that, that's fine.

00:00:59 ◼   ► I just wanna very quickly say that RelayCon

00:01:01 ◼   ► has been a massive undertaking for us,

00:01:03 ◼   ► thanks to this guy, so thank you for doing it.

00:01:06 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

00:01:08 ◼   ► And also our sponsors, we have some sponsors this evening

00:01:11 ◼   ► that we'll talk about a little later on,

00:01:12 ◼   ► but first off, thanks to Cards Against Humanity.

00:01:15 ◼   ► They didn't want us to read an ad,

00:01:18 ◼   ► they just wanted to have a drink, so.

00:01:20 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:01:21 ◼   ► Drinks are on cards.

00:01:22 ◼   ► So first off, let me introduce our co-host of Connected on Real

00:01:28 ◼   ► AFM, Federico Vatici.

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00:01:33 ◼   ► You can sit down now.

00:01:35 ◼   ► [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]

00:01:37 ◼   ► How's everybody doing?

00:01:38 ◼   ► All right?

00:01:40 ◼   ► Let's do this.

00:01:42 ◼   ► All right.

00:01:45 ◼   ► What you want to talk about?

00:01:46 ◼   ► Hi.

00:01:47 ◼   ► Long time no see.

00:01:48 ◼   ► I know.

00:01:48 ◼   ► Look at this guy.

00:01:49 ◼   ► He's in San Francisco.

00:01:51 ◼   ► I know, it's nice.

00:01:54 ◼   ► So we travelled here together, why don't you tell the people what it was like to travel

00:02:00 ◼   ► with me?

00:02:01 ◼   ► Well, you took good care of me, Myke.

00:02:03 ◼   ► I did.

00:02:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, it's kind of surreal to be looking at all of you right now.

00:02:11 ◼   ► It feels great.

00:02:13 ◼   ► It's nice.

00:02:14 ◼   ► You're nice people.

00:02:15 ◼   ► I mean, Europeans, Americans, we're all nice people.

00:02:19 ◼   ► And everybody else of course.

00:02:22 ◼   ► No offense.

00:02:25 ◼   ► We had a London meetup.

00:02:27 ◼   ► We had a London meetup.

00:02:31 ◼   ► It was amazing.

00:02:32 ◼   ► Well, not everyone had a meetup.

00:02:34 ◼   ► As the show goes, you were dead in that.

00:02:39 ◼   ► You set that up and we had to tell everyone that unfortunately you couldn't make it because

00:02:44 ◼   ► you were deceased.

00:02:45 ◼   ► I feel better now though.

00:02:46 ◼   ► That's good.

00:02:47 ◼   ► I'm really pleased you made it.

00:02:49 ◼   ► So this was your first keynote.

00:02:52 ◼   ► What did you think?

00:02:53 ◼   ► - There were a lot of people,

00:02:57 ◼   ► which is unusual for me because I never get to talk

00:03:01 ◼   ► with this stuff with a lot of people.

00:03:03 ◼   ► It was great.

00:03:04 ◼   ► I'm just gonna say right now,

00:03:07 ◼   ► I was looking for more iPad stuff.

00:03:10 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:03:13 ◼   ► - I feel like he's like saying it to someone.

00:03:16 ◼   ► At least we got a file system, but that's okay.

00:03:21 ◼   ► For some people.

00:03:22 ◼   ► For some people.

00:03:24 ◼   ► There we go. Thank you so much.

00:03:27 ◼   ► So, what was it like to stand in line? What time did you get in line this morning?

00:03:32 ◼   ► 7 a.m.

00:03:33 ◼   ► 7 a.m.

00:03:35 ◼   ► So we went to 7 a.m. to take it easy because it was a bigger location.

00:03:39 ◼   ► And I feel like there was no need to go like at 2 a.m.

00:03:45 ◼   ► I could, there was no need to maybe be the first in line.

00:03:50 ◼   ► But it was a really nice location.

00:03:52 ◼   ► I don't know what the keynotes are like in Moscone, but this one was very nice.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Almost European, the whole setup.

00:04:00 ◼   ► Why is everything European?

00:04:02 ◼   ► Because the columns and architecture and stuff, like it wasn't American.

00:04:05 ◼   ► I mean it was American but not real American.

00:04:07 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:04:09 ◼   ► Right?

00:04:10 ◼   ► Fedrick, let me ask you this.

00:04:11 ◼   ► So you went to the watch event in March?

00:04:13 ◼   ► Yes.

00:04:14 ◼   ► year ago now. How did that feel compared to this one? I mean obviously this is like, this is Super Bowl for us, right?

00:04:21 ◼   ► I think there's basketball going on tonight or something, who cares? This is our week.

00:04:26 ◼   ► I'll tell you what, developers are really nice people, but press people, they're all standing in line and pushing each other,

00:04:33 ◼   ► they wanna rush to the front line, I mean I'm sorry Dan, I'm sorry Jason, you two are an exception, but they're all, it's a very different feeling,

00:04:42 ◼   ► When you go to this kind of developer event,

00:04:47 ◼   ► it feels more like we're all in this together.

00:04:51 ◼   ► Even if-- I mean, I don't make apps.

00:04:53 ◼   ► I write about apps.

00:04:55 ◼   ► But it feels like there's more of a communal feeling,

00:04:57 ◼   ► of a collaboration feeling.

00:04:59 ◼   ► And instead of a press event, it's more of everyone's there

00:05:03 ◼   ► to do their job, which is to write about Apple

00:05:07 ◼   ► because they have to.

00:05:10 ◼   ► Which is okay, because that's also my job.

00:05:17 ◼   ► It's a different feeling, and I feel like this one is more genuine, maybe.

00:05:21 ◼   ► That's what I would say.

00:05:22 ◼   ► >> So let's talk about what happened today.

00:05:25 ◼   ► Mac OS.

00:05:26 ◼   ► >> They didn't capitalize the M. >> No, they didn't do that, did they?

00:05:30 ◼   ► How do you feel about that?

00:05:31 ◼   ► >> A little dead inside.

00:05:33 ◼   ► >> Yeah?

00:05:34 ◼   ► Have you set up Texas Band of Snoopers yet?

00:05:37 ◼   ► >> I did.

00:05:38 ◼   ► Mac OS now changing to, you know, without the X.

00:05:43 ◼   ► And it is semicolon M-O-S-S.

00:05:46 ◼   ► Not sure what that says, how I feel about the name,

00:05:49 ◼   ► 'cause it spells moss, but it works.

00:05:51 ◼   ► - Okay, so I wanna talk a little bit about Mac OS.

00:05:56 ◼   ► Mac-acos. - No.

00:05:58 ◼   ► - I love that, by the way.

00:05:59 ◼   ► I'll get you through that, AKC.

00:06:02 ◼   ► What do you think about the Siri integration?

00:06:04 ◼   ► 'Cause I think we're all expecting

00:06:07 ◼   ► a really crazy Siri keynote.

00:06:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I mean, we go into these things

00:06:13 ◼   ► and something's in the news cycle.

00:06:15 ◼   ► Your podcast talk about it, it's on websites.

00:06:18 ◼   ► And it's really easy to think it's really gonna blow it

00:06:22 ◼   ► out of the water.

00:06:23 ◼   ► And I, for one, for off the bat,

00:06:24 ◼   ► actually answer your question before I leave it.

00:06:27 ◼   ► I think it's good.

00:06:29 ◼   ► I think Siri on the Mac is gonna be a good thing

00:06:31 ◼   ► for the platform.

00:06:32 ◼   ► It's something Apple has worked over time.

00:06:35 ◼   ► You know, it started on the iPhone and then the iPad

00:06:37 ◼   ► and now it's on the Mac.

00:06:39 ◼   ► Do I wish it could do more?

00:06:42 ◼   ► Of course, but of course this is day one, right?

00:06:45 ◼   ► We don't really know what developers are gonna be able to do.

00:06:48 ◼   ► I don't know what these guys and leaders

00:06:50 ◼   ► are gonna do with it yet, but I think it's a good start.

00:06:53 ◼   ► And I think that the Mac will benefit

00:06:55 ◼   ► from the time that Siri has had on the iPhone and the iPad,

00:06:59 ◼   ► and of course the watch, when it works.

00:07:01 ◼   ► True story, I set a timer to come up here

00:07:04 ◼   ► and tell you guys to sit down on my watch,

00:07:06 ◼   ► and it just didn't do anything.

00:07:08 ◼   ► And then I pulled my phone out, so it's really working well.

00:07:11 ◼   ► But overall, I'm excited, and I think the opportunities

00:07:14 ◼   ► that it presents on the Mac,

00:07:17 ◼   ► it's sort of new ground for Mac developers,

00:07:20 ◼   ► where they really haven't had that in a long time.

00:07:22 ◼   ► And so something new, a big new feature coming to the Mac

00:07:25 ◼   ► is exciting to me.

00:07:26 ◼   ► - All right, so you are a person

00:07:28 ◼   ► that knows your way around the Mac.

00:07:30 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:07:31 ◼   ► - Are you ever gonna use it?

00:07:32 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:07:35 ◼   ► - I think that my hesitation is that I don't,

00:07:40 ◼   ► I don't even like talking to my phone.

00:07:42 ◼   ► Even if I'm home alone working, just me and the dog,

00:07:44 ◼   ► it still feels a little weird.

00:07:45 ◼   ► There's some awkwardness there.

00:07:47 ◼   ► But I'm willing to give it a shot,

00:07:49 ◼   ► especially if it can get below the surface a little bit.

00:07:53 ◼   ► They did some of that advanced searching,

00:07:55 ◼   ► which of course you can do that in Spotlight.

00:07:57 ◼   ► You can tell Spotlight, find me a file with this date,

00:07:59 ◼   ► with this tag that, you know, it's got the word Casey in it.

00:08:05 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:08:07 ◼   ► I don't need to know about that.

00:08:09 ◼   ► But if you can do that with your voice,

00:08:12 ◼   ► I think that's gonna be interesting.

00:08:13 ◼   ► I think time will tell if I end up adopting it.

00:08:17 ◼   ► - All right, one of the things that I think

00:08:18 ◼   ► is really interesting about the Mac now

00:08:20 ◼   ► is the logging in with the Apple Watch.

00:08:23 ◼   ► Now, I'm kind of going back and forth in my brain about this

00:08:28 ◼   ► as to whether it really is worth having

00:08:31 ◼   ► the Apple Watch for it, or if you could just do it

00:08:33 ◼   ► the iPhone and you want to sell more Apple watches? What do you think?

00:08:37 ◼   ► I think it's one of those things that... I think Apple likes to give those of us who

00:08:44 ◼   ► use all their devices little rewards for doing that almost.

00:08:49 ◼   ► It's like a loyalty program.

00:08:50 ◼   ► Yeah, it's like you spend all this money, you can now do this cool thing. But I think

00:08:55 ◼   ► that it's a benefit to people who have a Mac and have an Apple watch. Is it going to be

00:08:59 ◼   ► something that sells a bunch of Apple watches or doesn't sell a bunch of Apple watches?

00:09:03 ◼   ► I don't think so. I think at the end of the day it's going to be really cool for those of us who want to use it

00:09:07 ◼   ► but I don't think it's going to drastically change the direction that product is headed in.

00:09:13 ◼   ► I mean it's this year's Sherlock for Mac ID, right?

00:09:16 ◼   ► Yeah. Is the developer of Mac ID here?

00:09:19 ◼   ► Good.

00:09:20 ◼   ► Okay.

00:09:21 ◼   ► Universal Clipboard. Now this is one that they spoke about in the Mac but obviously it affects iOS as well.

00:09:28 ◼   ► this is interesting.

00:09:31 ◼   ► Like, 'cause you look at it and you think,

00:09:33 ◼   ► oh, that seems like something I want.

00:09:35 ◼   ► But then I start thinking about all of the things

00:09:36 ◼   ► that I might copy on one device,

00:09:38 ◼   ► and then they just randomly, like,

00:09:40 ◼   ► just hijack the clipboard of another device.

00:09:43 ◼   ► - Right, I think it will be something

00:09:45 ◼   ► that is frustrating to use if you're going back and forth.

00:09:48 ◼   ► Like, you're doing something on your Mac,

00:09:50 ◼   ► you pick up your iPhone and do something.

00:09:52 ◼   ► But I don't know how many people actually work that way.

00:09:53 ◼   ► I know that I don't.

00:09:54 ◼   ► If I'm at my Mac, I'm sitting and working at my Mac,

00:09:56 ◼   ► and then if I pick my phone up to go for a walk,

00:09:58 ◼   ► then I'm on my phone.

00:10:00 ◼   ► So I think there will be opportunity

00:10:03 ◼   ► for it to do the wrong thing,

00:10:04 ◼   ► or for it to break your expectation,

00:10:07 ◼   ► because I'm working on my Mac,

00:10:08 ◼   ► and I've copied something, and I come back later,

00:10:11 ◼   ► and that's still in my mind is what's on my clipboard.

00:10:15 ◼   ► But you can just use a clipboard history manager

00:10:17 ◼   ► like a gentleman, and you'll be okay.

00:10:19 ◼   ► - What do you think?

00:10:20 ◼   ► 'Cause it's gonna be iOS to iOS as well.

00:10:22 ◼   ► - That's what I wanna understand, right?

00:10:25 ◼   ► It was part of the continuity features.

00:10:27 ◼   ► So it's not clear to me at least yet

00:10:29 ◼   ► if it's going to be on the local network only,

00:10:32 ◼   ► or if my iPhone is on 3G and the iPad is on Wi-Fi.

00:10:36 ◼   ► I think it's going to be really nice.

00:10:38 ◼   ► There's no interface, which is kind of what

00:10:40 ◼   ► concerns me coming from a real clipboard manager.

00:10:44 ◼   ► And I feel like it's going to be interesting to see which

00:10:47 ◼   ► apps opt out of the feature.

00:10:49 ◼   ► Because if I'm-- like 1Password, for example.

00:10:51 ◼   ► Can they opt out?

00:10:52 ◼   ► They can, yes.

00:10:54 ◼   ► And there's going to be also, I feel like, some timestamp

00:10:57 ◼   ► expiration.

00:10:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:00 ◼   ► So there's going to be the ability for developers

00:11:02 ◼   ► to opt out of that feature.

00:11:04 ◼   ► What I want to understand is, without an interface,

00:11:08 ◼   ► anything I copy just propagates to another device.

00:11:11 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:11:12 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:11:12 ◼   ► I use a Clip Manager now, which is nice,

00:11:14 ◼   ► because I get to see what I copy.

00:11:16 ◼   ► Without one, it's just up to the iCloud gods, I guess.

00:11:22 ◼   ► Now, there was one app--

00:11:24 ◼   ► so when we were planning this out,

00:11:25 ◼   ► I was like, what are we going to talk about?

00:11:26 ◼   ► Right?

00:11:26 ◼   ► Because it all happened this morning,

00:11:27 ◼   ► so I've been thinking of what we're

00:11:28 ◼   ► going to talk about today.

00:11:29 ◼   ► And there was one app that came up, and I was like, oh, perfect.

00:11:32 ◼   ► Photos, photo management.

00:11:34 ◼   ► That's three.

00:11:34 ◼   ► Photo management.

00:11:35 ◼   ► We've never covered that.

00:11:36 ◼   ► Oh, should we start from the start?

00:11:37 ◼   ► Have you ever heard of Everpix?

00:11:39 ◼   ► Does anyone?

00:11:40 ◼   ► So Photos apparently got a bunch of features.

00:11:44 ◼   ► See, I say apparently.

00:11:45 ◼   ► I'm so judging of it already.

00:11:47 ◼   ► That seemed to be Google Photos Like, right?

00:11:51 ◼   ► Like is, I mean, yeah.

00:11:53 ◼   ► - Days through, is it, they said deep learning?

00:11:58 ◼   ► Deep learning went up to today?

00:11:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, they really like to say deep learning

00:12:00 ◼   ► and AI and advanced computer vision,

00:12:02 ◼   ► which runs like a movie from the '80s.

00:12:05 ◼   ► But it's close to, I mean, it's really close

00:12:09 ◼   ► to Google Photos and the Google Assistant feature.

00:12:11 ◼   ► I mean, Memories from Apple, Assistant from Google.

00:12:14 ◼   ► Like down to the video stuff with the stock music, basically.

00:12:20 ◼   ► You can make videos with sounds.

00:12:22 ◼   ► It's nice.

00:12:24 ◼   ► It's nice.

00:12:25 ◼   ► It makes sense for people like -- I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but people like

00:12:30 ◼   ► my mom, for example, they take a bunch of pictures and they can easily make a movie

00:12:33 ◼   ► because they just want to mess around with other tools.

00:12:37 ◼   ► >> So one of the things Apple is claiming they're able to do with the new Photos app

00:12:40 ◼   ► is to make connections between things and learn faces and they can tell you something's

00:12:45 ◼   ► a horse, something's a mountain.

00:12:47 ◼   ► Like how Google Photos does.

00:12:49 ◼   ► Right?

00:12:50 ◼   ► Do you believe that they can do this without leveraging something like Google has?

00:12:59 ◼   ► Hopefully they can tell the difference between a horse and a mountain.

00:13:01 ◼   ► I'll give them that.

00:13:02 ◼   ► I used horse and mountain in an upgrade as well.

00:13:04 ◼   ► I don't know why.

00:13:05 ◼   ► It was in the keynote I think.

00:13:06 ◼   ► Was it?

00:13:07 ◼   ► Was it in the keynote?

00:13:08 ◼   ► Does anybody know?

00:13:09 ◼   ► Oh that's weird.

00:13:10 ◼   ► Underscore says yes and underscore is the record keeper of all things.

00:13:12 ◼   ► So yeah, I mean obviously what you're getting to right is that you upload your photos to

00:13:18 ◼   ► Google Photos and it is using the power of their cloud infrastructure to do all that

00:13:24 ◼   ► stuff where Apple is going to do it on this. Which I'm not a computer scientist.

00:13:29 ◼   ► He picked up his iPhone by the way.

00:13:30 ◼   ► Yeah sorry audio listeners. I don't think this iPhone is as powerful as Google's entire

00:13:35 ◼   ► cloud infrastructure. I could be wrong. I don't think I am. And so can they pull it

00:13:42 ◼   ► off in a way that is convincing and in a way that really competes Google Photos? I don't

00:13:48 ◼   ► know, but I don't know if they have to to be a compelling feature. I think somebody who

00:13:52 ◼   ► isn't going to use Google Photos for privacy reasons, or they just don't know about it, or they can't upload 70 gigs of photos over

00:13:59 ◼   ► DSL, if it's just happening on their iPad, then they will benefit from that

00:14:03 ◼   ► experience. It may not be as good as Google.

00:14:06 ◼   ► I kind of think it won't be just because that's really Google's bread and butter, and it's not Apple's.

00:14:11 ◼   ► But maybe this is, maybe that will change. Maybe next year if we're in that bigger room

00:14:15 ◼   ► We say you know what Apple's done as good of a job as Google has I'd like to say that but right now

00:14:20 ◼   ► I'm a little hesitant to jump in but they talked about this

00:14:23 ◼   ► Differential privacy feature which I mean we're all talking without having read the documentation basically

00:14:29 ◼   ► I will never read it so they explained this car. I know you're gonna wait for the audiobook version

00:14:35 ◼   ► video version alright

00:14:37 ◼   ► So they explained this concept which is way above my head

00:14:40 ◼   ► I don't know. But the idea is they're gonna pull the knowledge from a lot of users while staying private and

00:14:47 ◼   ► trying to spot trends in that kind of knowledge. Now

00:14:51 ◼   ► I don't know if you can like pull the knowledge of horses from millions of pictures.

00:14:55 ◼   ► Horses and mountains.

00:14:56 ◼   ► Yes, sorry.

00:14:57 ◼   ► Apologize.

00:14:59 ◼   ► But I mean, I'm not too optimistic right now.

00:15:03 ◼   ► I feel bad, right?

00:15:05 ◼   ► Why do you feel bad?

00:15:07 ◼   ► For Apple, they have billions in the back.

00:15:09 ◼   ► Like, 'cause I'm just like immediately, immediately,

00:15:11 ◼   ► I'm like, they can't do it.

00:15:13 ◼   ► I just immediately just think they can't do it.

00:15:15 ◼   ► - I mean, there's a history to that complaint.

00:15:18 ◼   ► And it's something that is, you know,

00:15:20 ◼   ► when Google announced it, it was kind of in line

00:15:22 ◼   ► with what they do other places, right?

00:15:25 ◼   ► That they do this sort of big data set,

00:15:28 ◼   ► pull trends together type stuff.

00:15:30 ◼   ► And Apple just hasn't done that yet.

00:15:32 ◼   ► And in the State of the Union, talking about the,

00:15:35 ◼   ► what did you call it?

00:15:37 ◼   ► - Differential privacy.

00:15:38 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:15:38 ◼   ► going to remember that. They're they've already been using it in things like news and I think

00:15:43 ◼   ► they had some examples of like ways that it works already. So maybe they can do it. You

00:15:48 ◼   ► know my bigger questions around that sort of thing are like I own an iPhone and I own

00:15:54 ◼   ► an iPad and I own a Mac. And if I buy into the system which my photos are still on Dropbox

00:15:58 ◼   ► I'm not even in photos app yet. How like are they passing that metadata structure around

00:16:05 ◼   ► Or is like my iPad and my iPhone and my Mac all doing this independently?

00:16:09 ◼   ► If they're doing it independently, are the results the same on all of them?

00:16:12 ◼   ► I hope they're not doing that.

00:16:14 ◼   ► Who knows, man?

00:16:15 ◼   ► Like it's the Wild West right now.

00:16:18 ◼   ► But they're very obviously very concerned about the privacy angle, which I appreciate.

00:16:22 ◼   ► I use Google Photos.

00:16:23 ◼   ► I think we all do at this point.

00:16:25 ◼   ► Just for like a searching.

00:16:26 ◼   ► Yeah, I use it to find things because I don't think I can't sync my whole library to my

00:16:31 ◼   ► phone.

00:16:32 ◼   ► It makes really nice black and white pictures of you, by the way.

00:16:34 ◼   ► Google photos.

00:16:35 ◼   ► Yeah, you look great in black and white.

00:16:38 ◼   ► You should consider that as an avatar.

00:16:39 ◼   ► I have to say though, it's been nice this week, because I've been getting a bunch of

00:16:44 ◼   ► like, "Three years ago, you're a WWDC" type stuff popping up.

00:16:48 ◼   ► And I know that Apple's doing some of that, like the memory stuff as well.

00:16:52 ◼   ► And it seems like what they're...

00:16:53 ◼   ► It's quite ambitious what they're trying to do, right?

00:16:55 ◼   ► Like linking people together, linking places together.

00:16:58 ◼   ► And you know, we were making fun of the videos, right?

00:17:00 ◼   ► But it looks like the picture stuff looks pretty good.

00:17:03 ◼   ► Yeah, and especially when you consider all the different kinds of pictures that can put together like or videos like slow-mo videos or live photos

00:17:10 ◼   ► Or you know like the time-lapse for example, so they have these different types of media

00:17:15 ◼   ► It's not just like a picture and a video. It's multiple types of videos and pictures

00:17:19 ◼   ► Which is interesting to to see like you don't have to do anything about you know, putting together manually

00:17:27 ◼   ► It's all automatic and if they can pull it off

00:17:29 ◼   ► I mean if you consider the scale of the photos app the billions of people basically using that so

00:17:36 ◼   ► It has potential but I want to be subtle neutral, you know, not to optimistic not to pessimistic. It's wayne see yeah

00:17:43 ◼   ► Swift playgrounds

00:17:46 ◼   ► Right. Yeah now

00:17:49 ◼   ► Can you give a brief overview as to what Swift because this is not Xcode, right?

00:17:55 ◼   ► What is Swift Playgrounds on iOS?

00:17:58 ◼   ► Like what is the basis of what this is?

00:18:00 ◼   ► I mean I'm not the best person to do that.

00:18:02 ◼   ► I figured, do you know more?

00:18:04 ◼   ► I can try.

00:18:05 ◼   ► All right.

00:18:06 ◼   ► Right, so the idea is...

00:18:07 ◼   ► You were there.

00:18:09 ◼   ► I was there.

00:18:10 ◼   ► I'm okay.

00:18:12 ◼   ► This guy.

00:18:13 ◼   ► So the idea is it's an app where you can learn Swift and there's a bunch of courses and lessons

00:18:20 ◼   ► that you can take.

00:18:22 ◼   ► And they teach you Swift in this interactive fashion.

00:18:26 ◼   ► And it's real code, but some of the features that you use to put together this code are

00:18:31 ◼   ► not the usual stuff that you see in Xcode.

00:18:34 ◼   ► So for example, you want to create a repeat loop, you drag a bunch of things around, and

00:18:39 ◼   ► you can do that visually and manually with multi-touch.

00:18:43 ◼   ► And they show this demo of putting together different games, or scenarios where you have

00:18:48 ◼   ► this character on screen and you want to teach a character to walk or to jump and you put

00:18:53 ◼   ► together these comments in a very simple fashion and then you can advance the courses and do

00:18:57 ◼   ► more complicated stuff.

00:18:59 ◼   ► And then in the State of the Union they show the more adventurous type of things such as

00:19:05 ◼   ► accessing the iOS SDK or iOS APIs and doing real stuff like a color picker for example.

00:19:13 ◼   ► So it can go pretty deep then.

00:19:15 ◼   ► Yeah, and I mean, of course, I saw the workflow guys on Twitter.

00:19:19 ◼   ► They access Objective-C in the Swift playgrounds.

00:19:22 ◼   ► I mean, those guys are crazy.

00:19:25 ◼   ► But it is possible.

00:19:26 ◼   ► So, it's not Xcode.

00:19:29 ◼   ► So Casey, I mean, so the backstory here.

00:19:34 ◼   ► A while back, Casey told me, "If it's gonna be anything more than playgrounds, I'll buy

00:19:39 ◼   ► you a bottle of anything."

00:19:41 ◼   ► So close.

00:19:43 ◼   ► I took a screenshot of that.

00:19:46 ◼   ► It's still in my notes app, as Casey's promised.

00:19:50 ◼   ► Now, I don't know, am I supposed to buy you

00:19:52 ◼   ► a bottle of anything?

00:19:53 ◼   ► We're good?

00:19:54 ◼   ► It's OK.

00:19:54 ◼   ► We're good.

00:19:55 ◼   ► We have witnesses here.

00:19:56 ◼   ► Yeah, we're all good.

00:19:57 ◼   ► All right.

00:19:58 ◼   ► Federico, tell me, do you think that this

00:20:02 ◼   ► is a sign of the maturity of the iOS platform?

00:20:05 ◼   ► Yeah, definitely.

00:20:05 ◼   ► I mean, you cannot create apps on the iPad, which I guess

00:20:10 ◼   ► is going to be the new meme going forward.

00:20:14 ◼   ► But it's definitely a sign of any platform where

00:20:16 ◼   ► you can start do programming.

00:20:18 ◼   ► I feel like it's a sign of growing up.

00:20:20 ◼   ► And you can see that growing up from the consumer standpoint

00:20:23 ◼   ► where more extensions giving developers more access.

00:20:26 ◼   ► And you can see that maturity from a real programming

00:20:30 ◼   ► point of view, which is you can write code

00:20:32 ◼   ► and you can see what's happening.

00:20:33 ◼   ► So it's still not Xcode.

00:20:36 ◼   ► I'm not sure when we'll get Xcode.

00:20:39 ◼   ► I want to be optimistic here and say, well, get there eventually.

00:20:44 ◼   ► But it's nice, especially because I'm thinking in education scenarios.

00:20:49 ◼   ► And there's these kids--

00:20:50 ◼   ► There's an educator over there, I think.

00:20:52 ◼   ► I think there's an educator over there.

00:20:54 ◼   ► I think there's some guy--

00:20:56 ◼   ► Fist pump guy, I think.

00:20:57 ◼   ► Some guy I do some podcast with.

00:21:00 ◼   ► And when you have these kids using iPads in classrooms for books

00:21:06 ◼   ► and apps and courses, and then you reach the point

00:21:09 ◼   ► where you're like, okay, I wanna teach programming,

00:21:12 ◼   ► and you have to move to a Mac,

00:21:14 ◼   ► which, you know, respect to the Mac, but--

00:21:17 ◼   ► - Easy.

00:21:18 ◼   ► - I know, don't bring--

00:21:22 ◼   ► - I can ship you an iMac.

00:21:23 ◼   ► - I'm just saying. - Or 15.

00:21:26 ◼   ► - The transition to, from an iPad to Xcode

00:21:31 ◼   ► could be smoother, maybe.

00:21:34 ◼   ► It could be like growing up with the iPad

00:21:36 ◼   ► and eventually moving to the Mac

00:21:37 ◼   ► when you get to do real development with apps.

00:21:42 ◼   ► So I think we'll get there.

00:21:43 ◼   ► It's just baby steps.

00:21:46 ◼   ► - I like the educational angle to it,

00:21:48 ◼   ► and you and I were talking this morning,

00:21:50 ◼   ► neither you or I are developers.

00:21:52 ◼   ► I shouldn't be allowed anywhere near it,

00:21:56 ◼   ► but it's really, I mean, it's built in a way, obviously,

00:21:58 ◼   ► to, there's a classroom angle to it,

00:22:00 ◼   ► and especially in the demo they used,

00:22:01 ◼   ► which I think was really purposeful,

00:22:04 ◼   ► saying, you know, this is this guy,

00:22:05 ◼   ► you're gonna move him around,

00:22:06 ◼   ► and you can see it visually as it's happening.

00:22:09 ◼   ► But even for somebody like me, or maybe someone like you,

00:22:12 ◼   ► who maybe wanna get into this at some point,

00:22:15 ◼   ► I can see it being a really easy way in.

00:22:17 ◼   ► I mean, my hat's off to all of you developers here tonight,

00:22:21 ◼   ► because it seems so daunting to me to do it as a job.

00:22:26 ◼   ► And to see an easy way in, where maybe if it's not me,

00:22:29 ◼   ► but maybe one of my kids wants to learn it,

00:22:31 ◼   ► or, you know, so many easier ways in, so good.

00:22:36 ◼   ► And I mean the cynic is like well apples like embedding Swift and all of our children's minds like cool. Let's do it

00:22:43 ◼   ► Do you think you do technical says you're gonna try it? I'm definitely gonna play with it

00:22:48 ◼   ► I think that it is if anything I want to see what this type of work is like on the iPad

00:22:53 ◼   ► I don't know if I'm gonna go right now anytime soon, but I am excited to at least spend some time with it you

00:22:59 ◼   ► What do you think?

00:23:01 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah

00:23:03 ◼   ► Micros right I'm gonna build one two three note taker

00:23:06 ◼   ► All right, I'm taking this joke as far as I can go

00:23:11 ◼   ► All right, that's it. That's it. Thank you guys. Thank you. Say thank you to Federico and Steven

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00:25:01 ◼   ► All right, now let me introduce my next guest,

00:25:04 ◼   ► my co-host of "Upgrade" on Relay FM, Mr. Jason Snell.

00:25:08 ◼   ► Look at him running for the stage, Jason Snell.

00:25:10 ◼   ► (audience cheering)

00:25:12 ◼   ► Hello, person.

00:25:13 ◼   ► Please take a microphone.

00:25:15 ◼   ► - Do I get to sit here?

00:25:16 ◼   ► - You get to sit right next to me.

00:25:17 ◼   ► - I was in the back.

00:25:18 ◼   ► You read that really fast.

00:25:20 ◼   ► I thought I had lots of time.

00:25:21 ◼   ► - On point today.

00:25:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, you're so professionals.

00:25:25 ◼   ► - Jason, before we begin,

00:25:28 ◼   ► - Is the new Apple file system a robot?

00:25:32 ◼   ► - I don't think I'm qualified to answer that,

00:25:36 ◼   ► but I know someone who is.

00:25:38 ◼   ► - Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. John Siracusa.

00:25:42 ◼   ► (audience cheering)

00:25:45 ◼   ► So can you tell me, is the new Apple file system a robot?

00:25:50 ◼   ► - Hold on, hold on a second.

00:25:52 ◼   ► Robot or not?

00:25:54 ◼   ► Robot or not?

00:25:55 ◼   ► All right, now, again.

00:25:57 ◼   ► - That question is like the one that inspired the show

00:26:02 ◼   ► in the first place in that it is very dumb.

00:26:03 ◼   ► - Stupid.

00:26:04 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:26:06 ◼   ► - The original question was the dance from the 80s,

00:26:09 ◼   ► the robot, is that a robot?

00:26:11 ◼   ► That is not a robot.

00:26:12 ◼   ► Neither is the file system.

00:26:13 ◼   ► Bad question.

00:26:15 ◼   ► - Are you having a good day though?

00:26:17 ◼   ► - I am having a good day.

00:26:18 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:26:19 ◼   ► Jason, do you have a bad question?

00:26:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, I do.

00:26:21 ◼   ► Okay, so John, people have been trying to understand

00:26:25 ◼   ► your definition of a robot.

00:26:27 ◼   ► We've learned that a Roomba is a robot,

00:26:29 ◼   ► nanobots may be robots,

00:26:31 ◼   ► other things that people think are robots are not robots.

00:26:34 ◼   ► Somebody gave me a very detailed hypothetical

00:26:36 ◼   ► that I wanted to run past you.

00:26:37 ◼   ► - Right.

00:26:38 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:26:40 ◼   ► - This is how the show goes, is basically like this.

00:26:42 ◼   ► I say long sentences and John's like, "Mm-hmm."

00:26:45 ◼   ► - Right.

00:26:47 ◼   ► - So imagine there was a robot,

00:26:49 ◼   ► well, okay, you decide.

00:26:51 ◼   ► There's an object, there's a machine, and it's on a track.

00:26:55 ◼   ► And it's in, let's say, some sort of terrain

00:26:56 ◼   ► where the sun shines at various times of the day.

00:27:00 ◼   ► And this machine has a flower pot.

00:27:03 ◼   ► - This is getting complicated.

00:27:04 ◼   ► (audience laughs)

00:27:05 ◼   ► - And the flower pot, the goal of the machine,

00:27:07 ◼   ► the machine's been programmed, it's got a light sensor,

00:27:09 ◼   ► and it can move up and down the track.

00:27:10 ◼   ► And the goal is to keep the flower pot in the sun

00:27:14 ◼   ► as much as possible so the flower grows.

00:27:16 ◼   ► So I realize this is a hypothetical,

00:27:18 ◼   ► but the idea there is it can move,

00:27:20 ◼   ► although only on one dimension on a track,

00:27:22 ◼   ► and it's looking for the light

00:27:23 ◼   ► because it needs to keep the plant in the light.

00:27:26 ◼   ► Is that a robot?

00:27:27 ◼   ► - How big is the vehicle in comparison to the track?

00:27:31 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:27:32 ◼   ► - How can that, see, I'm not usually here,

00:27:34 ◼   ► there's a good reason.

00:27:35 ◼   ► How can that make any difference to your answer?

00:27:38 ◼   ► - It just does.

00:27:40 ◼   ► - Robots, robots.

00:27:41 ◼   ► - How big is it compared to the track?

00:27:43 ◼   ► Like is the track the length of this room

00:27:45 ◼   ► and the thing moving is half the length of the room?

00:27:48 ◼   ► Or is the track miles long?

00:27:50 ◼   ► - I think the track is like the size

00:27:51 ◼   ► of an office building, let's say,

00:27:52 ◼   ► It's like a big flower pot, really huge flower pot.

00:27:57 ◼   ► Like a bed with flowers in it.

00:28:01 ◼   ► - I think that's a robot.

00:28:03 ◼   ► Kind of like Wheatley or whatever,

00:28:06 ◼   ► what was the name from Portal, the big orb guy?

00:28:09 ◼   ► Audience?

00:28:10 ◼   ► - Wheatley.

00:28:11 ◼   ► - Wheatley, I got it, okay.

00:28:12 ◼   ► He was stuck on a track too,

00:28:14 ◼   ► but eventually he jumped off of the track.

00:28:15 ◼   ► Being stuck on a track doesn't mean you're not a robot.

00:28:17 ◼   ► He's mobile and it's just making decisions

00:28:19 ◼   ► about where to go, like the room ball.

00:28:20 ◼   ► Like have I been there, am I hitting a wall,

00:28:22 ◼   ► Is there a gap here or whatever?

00:28:24 ◼   ► So it has a simple logic of follow the light.

00:28:27 ◼   ► And I mean, the flower is silly.

00:28:29 ◼   ► That doesn't need to be there.

00:28:29 ◼   ► It could just be following the light

00:28:31 ◼   ► for its own solar panel purpose.

00:28:32 ◼   ► The flower is a red herring.

00:28:33 ◼   ► But I think that's a cruddy robot

00:28:37 ◼   ► and I think that's a robot.

00:28:38 ◼   ► - I think we've done it.

00:28:41 ◼   ► - I feel like anytime it's actually a robot,

00:28:43 ◼   ► it is a huge victory.

00:28:45 ◼   ► - It's not that rare.

00:28:46 ◼   ► Did you ever run the stats?

00:28:47 ◼   ► People are like, "Oh, this is never a robot."

00:28:49 ◼   ► Did we ever look at what it is?

00:28:50 ◼   ► It's a low percentage, but it's not like 1%.

00:28:52 ◼   ► - I'm gonna have to call Wikipedia about that one.

00:28:53 ◼   ► I get to crunch the numbers about that.

00:28:55 ◼   ► But it's often, people are very sad

00:28:58 ◼   ► when their favorite science fiction machine is--

00:28:59 ◼   ► - 'Cause they think everything is a robot

00:29:00 ◼   ► because robots are cool and they like something, whatever.

00:29:03 ◼   ► - But everything is not a robot, people.

00:29:05 ◼   ► - No, no, everything is not.

00:29:06 ◼   ► - Mr. John Siracusa, thank you so much for joining us.

00:29:10 ◼   ► - Thank you for having me.

00:29:11 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

00:29:14 ◼   ► - All right, now to join me and Jason

00:29:18 ◼   ► to talk about watchOS and iOS,

00:29:20 ◼   ► Serenity Caldwell of iMore.

00:29:22 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

00:29:25 ◼   ► All right, so, watchOS.

00:29:32 ◼   ► - WatchOS.

00:29:33 ◼   ► - It's been a big day for watchOS.

00:29:34 ◼   ► - It has been.

00:29:35 ◼   ► - Kicked off the keynote, and I think, good reason.

00:29:38 ◼   ► They rushed through it, but there was a lot there,

00:29:40 ◼   ► and I think one of the biggest things that we have,

00:29:42 ◼   ► or will have, with watchOS 3, is faster access.

00:29:46 ◼   ► - Yes, I definitely, that was the first moment

00:29:50 ◼   ► of the keynote after, of course, the moment of silence.

00:29:53 ◼   ► And right into that, they're like, congratulations,

00:29:56 ◼   ► apps launch instantly now.

00:29:58 ◼   ► And inside, I'm just like, thank you, God.

00:30:02 ◼   ► I was very, very happy to see that.

00:30:04 ◼   ► And of course, we learned as the watchOS 3 demo went on,

00:30:08 ◼   ► although they really only used the word watchOS 3 once.

00:30:10 ◼   ► And then after that was just watchOS.

00:30:12 ◼   ► We're not talking about version names or numbers anymore.

00:30:14 ◼   ► Aside from iOS.

00:30:16 ◼   ► iOS gets numbers because it's special.

00:30:18 ◼   ► But watchOS, they're like, well, it's going to launch instantly.

00:30:22 ◼   ► Well, most apps are going to launch instantly.

00:30:24 ◼   ► Well, your dock apps are going to launch instantly.

00:30:27 ◼   ► And then the other apps are going

00:30:28 ◼   ► to launch really, really fast.

00:30:29 ◼   ► And we'll explain more in the State of the Union,

00:30:31 ◼   ► so stick around for that.

00:30:33 ◼   ► But overall, it seems like they have vastly improved speed

00:30:38 ◼   ► and being able to actually access your watch apps instead

00:30:41 ◼   ► of what happens right now, where I'm like,

00:30:43 ◼   ► oh, I've got complications.

00:30:45 ◼   ► This is really nice.

00:30:46 ◼   ► Carrot weather says something, although it

00:30:48 ◼   ► it's three hours out of date, and I tap on it,

00:30:50 ◼   ► and then I tap on it again, and then I tap on it

00:30:52 ◼   ► a third time, and that doesn't work,

00:30:54 ◼   ► and then I tap on it, and then I spend--

00:30:55 ◼   ► - Spin, spin, spin. - Yeah, spinning for five minutes

00:30:58 ◼   ► and then I get a complication, or an actual app.

00:31:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, I had a moment of philosophy,

00:31:05 ◼   ► just like a little reverie while I was listening to that,

00:31:07 ◼   ► of like, it's seven times as fast to launch.

00:31:11 ◼   ► What does that mean?

00:31:13 ◼   ► Quite honestly, I'm not quite sure how long it takes

00:31:15 ◼   ► my Apple Watch apps to launch,

00:31:17 ◼   ► because after about three seconds, I give up.

00:31:20 ◼   ► - You switch. - I give up, right?

00:31:21 ◼   ► So it's like, if it takes a thousand seconds to launch,

00:31:25 ◼   ► what's one seventh of that?

00:31:26 ◼   ► Is that too long still?

00:31:28 ◼   ► I don't know, I don't know the answer there.

00:31:30 ◼   ► But I was very impressed, the fact that they said,

00:31:32 ◼   ► prioritization, the fact that they've created

00:31:35 ◼   ► two classes of apps, I think is really clever.

00:31:37 ◼   ► The idea that if you choose to have it in your dock,

00:31:40 ◼   ► or as a complication, which is another thing,

00:31:43 ◼   ► you're showing intent, you're showing some intent

00:31:46 ◼   ► that this app means something to you.

00:31:48 ◼   ► And I was showing you earlier how many apps

00:31:50 ◼   ► are on my actual Apple Watch, and it's ludicrous.

00:31:54 ◼   ► Because I apparently at some point switched that switch

00:31:57 ◼   ► that says-- - To auto install.

00:31:58 ◼   ► - Oh, the Apple Watch. - Any app that has

00:31:59 ◼   ► an Apple Watch, sure, put it on the watch, who cares?

00:32:02 ◼   ► And most of those apps I don't use, right?

00:32:04 ◼   ► So that's a smart idea to say, look,

00:32:08 ◼   ► if you show any reason that you care about this app,

00:32:13 ◼   ► we will make sure that it can run in the background

00:32:16 ◼   ► and do some other stuff so that it doesn't take

00:32:19 ◼   ► an infinite number of seconds to launch it.

00:32:21 ◼   ► - Well, there's just a really good point here.

00:32:23 ◼   ► How many times did we see the carousel in that demo?

00:32:27 ◼   ► Because I don't think we saw it really at all.

00:32:29 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:32:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, the carousel was, I mean, I'm sure it's still there,

00:32:33 ◼   ► but they're not talking about it anymore.

00:32:35 ◼   ► That's the little tiny touch target.

00:32:37 ◼   ► They don't want you to do that anymore with apps, no.

00:32:39 ◼   ► - The honeycomb is persona non grata.

00:32:42 ◼   ► - I really kind of hope it's just actually dead.

00:32:45 ◼   ► - I don't think it is.

00:32:45 ◼   ► I think it's still there.

00:32:47 ◼   ► - Until Siri gets good enough.

00:32:48 ◼   ► - That's the place you go to retrieve something

00:32:50 ◼   ► that you haven't said you care about.

00:32:52 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

00:32:54 ◼   ► - So that's my guess.

00:32:55 ◼   ► - When the watch was launched, two buttons,

00:32:57 ◼   ► one of those buttons activated friends and digital touch.

00:33:01 ◼   ► That button has now been replaced, I guess.

00:33:04 ◼   ► The function has been replaced.

00:33:05 ◼   ► What do you think that shows for the thinking

00:33:08 ◼   ► of the Apple Watch inside of Apple?

00:33:10 ◼   ► - Well, I am very glad that Apple took a hard look

00:33:14 ◼   ► at how people were using the watch and said,

00:33:17 ◼   ► you know what, we really liked Friends internally

00:33:20 ◼   ► in watchOS 1, we thought it was a neat feature,

00:33:22 ◼   ► we thought people would love to send their heartbeat

00:33:25 ◼   ► and do little digital touches,

00:33:27 ◼   ► and then we realized when we sent it to everybody

00:33:29 ◼   ► that no one really wants to use this feature,

00:33:32 ◼   ► and it's kind of useless, and on top of that,

00:33:35 ◼   ► the touch targets are again, too small,

00:33:37 ◼   ► especially if you're a woman and wearing a 38 millimeter

00:33:40 ◼   ► or a man with small wrists.

00:33:42 ◼   ► So we're actually gonna use the side button

00:33:44 ◼   ► for something useful.

00:33:45 ◼   ► And after watchOS 2 came out and there wasn't a change,

00:33:48 ◼   ► there was a lot of speculation in watchOS 3.

00:33:50 ◼   ► It's like, what are they gonna use the side button for?

00:33:52 ◼   ► Are they gonna let us customize it

00:33:53 ◼   ► and turn it into like launching activity?

00:33:55 ◼   ► Or is it just going to be defacto Apple Pay?

00:33:58 ◼   ► Or is it going to be used for accessibility

00:34:00 ◼   ► to highlight things?

00:34:01 ◼   ► And instead they're like, okay, you know what?

00:34:04 ◼   ► We've decided that not only are friends crap,

00:34:07 ◼   ► we're gonna take this off the table,

00:34:08 ◼   ► but also glances.

00:34:10 ◼   ► Glances were a nice idea, but no one uses them

00:34:12 ◼   ► 'cause they forget how to swipe.

00:34:13 ◼   ► So instead, we're gonna assign that button

00:34:15 ◼   ► to a functionality.

00:34:16 ◼   ► We're gonna make it easier to launch apps from there,

00:34:19 ◼   ► and that's gonna be your dock is now this button.

00:34:21 ◼   ► And also, it's something that we've made before.

00:34:24 ◼   ► You know, this is a product that we actually have a name for

00:34:27 ◼   ► that we've used on other platforms

00:34:28 ◼   ► that users will be familiar with.

00:34:30 ◼   ► And we've changed this, you know,

00:34:33 ◼   ► we've changed your swiping behavior

00:34:34 ◼   ► so that they actually make sense,

00:34:36 ◼   ► and you can get apps from that way too.

00:34:38 ◼   ► So I am really grateful that Apple kind of took a step back

00:34:43 ◼   ► and said, "Hey, maybe this digital touch thing

00:34:45 ◼   ► "is better suited for this device and not this device."

00:34:49 ◼   ► - You know there's somebody inside Apple

00:34:52 ◼   ► who this was their feature, right?

00:34:56 ◼   ► I mean, you know it.

00:34:57 ◼   ► You know somebody out there was like,

00:34:58 ◼   ► "Man, that button, it's gonna be friends,

00:35:00 ◼   ► "it's gonna be a ring, you're gonna pick people,

00:35:02 ◼   ► "you're gonna send them your heartbeat,

00:35:03 ◼   ► "it's gonna be awesome, everybody's gonna love it."

00:35:06 ◼   ► And to be honest, when they announced it at the event

00:35:09 ◼   ► on September 9th, 2014, as soon as they said it,

00:35:12 ◼   ► I was like, oh, that's terrible, that's a terrible idea.

00:35:14 ◼   ► - I liked it, I liked it.

00:35:15 ◼   ► - I really liked it, but no one knew to use it with me.

00:35:18 ◼   ► - But I think that, but the fact is,

00:35:20 ◼   ► we can have those disagreements about what we think,

00:35:23 ◼   ► and obviously that happened at Apple,

00:35:24 ◼   ► and they're like, yeah, this might be a good idea,

00:35:26 ◼   ► let's try it, right?

00:35:27 ◼   ► You're being a creative person, let's try it.

00:35:29 ◼   ► But one thing to test it in before you even build it,

00:35:35 ◼   ► and then like six months of betas on the Apple campus

00:35:37 ◼   ► from people who are Apple employees.

00:35:38 ◼   ► And there's another thing to ship it

00:35:40 ◼   ► and watch how people use it for a year.

00:35:42 ◼   ► And for me that was one of the key questions.

00:35:45 ◼   ► Maybe the key question of this keynote was,

00:35:48 ◼   ► can that person or the people who made that decision

00:35:52 ◼   ► look at it a year later and say, yeah, it didn't work.

00:35:56 ◼   ► Let's move on, let's do something else.

00:35:58 ◼   ► And that's what they did with watchOS 3

00:36:00 ◼   ► and I'm really encouraged by that.

00:36:01 ◼   ► That I was concerned they were gonna put a stake

00:36:03 ◼   ► on the ground and say, "Damn it, we think we're right.

00:36:07 ◼   ► "Let's do this some more."

00:36:08 ◼   ► And they didn't.

00:36:09 ◼   ► They said, "Nah, we got that wrong.

00:36:10 ◼   ► "Let's move on."

00:36:12 ◼   ► And the fact that Apple, there was a moment where it's like,

00:36:14 ◼   ► oh, are we permitted to joke about how slow apps are

00:36:17 ◼   ► on the Apple Watch now?

00:36:18 ◼   ► In the keynote, where they said,

00:36:20 ◼   ► "Oh, hey, launching Apple Watch apps is terrible,

00:36:24 ◼   ► "but now it's great."

00:36:25 ◼   ► - For the next six months.

00:36:26 ◼   ► - Right?

00:36:27 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:36:28 ◼   ► But they did do that, right?

00:36:31 ◼   ► Even though it's always couched in the idea

00:36:34 ◼   ► that it's now been improved, and it's always,

00:36:36 ◼   ► you never admit you've got a weakness

00:36:38 ◼   ► until you've got the solution to the weakness.

00:36:41 ◼   ► Even so, they did basically put WatchOS 2 up on stage

00:36:45 ◼   ► and say, "Ha ha, look at that, it doesn't work."

00:36:49 ◼   ► - You know, we did the iMac special recently,

00:36:51 ◼   ► and they were doing the races between the old,

00:36:54 ◼   ► like the PCs and the Macs.

00:36:56 ◼   ► - The PCs and the Macs, yeah.

00:36:56 ◼   ► - It reminded me of that.

00:36:57 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:36:58 ◼   ► - Ready, set, go.

00:36:59 ◼   ► Yeah, it's today's Apple Watch versus tomorrow's Apple Watch.

00:37:03 ◼   ► - Something I can't get out of my head from today

00:37:05 ◼   ► was the things that are doing for fitness

00:37:08 ◼   ► for wheelchair users.

00:37:10 ◼   ► It's just one of those things that is like

00:37:14 ◼   ► such an Apple thing to do.

00:37:16 ◼   ► Like what is the percentage of their audience

00:37:20 ◼   ► that are wheelchair users?

00:37:21 ◼   ► It must be a tiny percentage.

00:37:23 ◼   ► But they have put so much work and effort into that,

00:37:28 ◼   ► I just can't, it just keeps rattling around in my brain

00:37:30 ◼   ► as like a reason that I love the company.

00:37:32 ◼   ► - It reminds me of what Apple has done

00:37:35 ◼   ► for creative professionals in their past

00:37:37 ◼   ► and where they just say, this is a niche group of users,

00:37:40 ◼   ► yes, this is a group of users that the general population

00:37:43 ◼   ► may not even think about.

00:37:44 ◼   ► And I, you know, certainly,

00:37:46 ◼   ► until Kevin Lynch brought that up,

00:37:48 ◼   ► it hadn't even crossed my mind.

00:37:50 ◼   ► Like, I think about accessibility constantly

00:37:52 ◼   ► because we write articles about it and, you know,

00:37:54 ◼   ► we wanna make sure that people understand

00:37:55 ◼   ► how to use the accessibility features

00:37:57 ◼   ► 'cause Apple is so far ahead in that,

00:37:59 ◼   ► but you take their fitness device,

00:38:00 ◼   ► the device that they're saying,

00:38:02 ◼   ► we're promoting health and we're taking it forward,

00:38:04 ◼   ► and yeah, there's a whole segment of the population

00:38:07 ◼   ► that may not have the use of some or all of their limbs

00:38:10 ◼   ► where this is potentially a game changer, right?

00:38:14 ◼   ► Where it's like how many fitness devices

00:38:16 ◼   ► are specifically geared towards people

00:38:18 ◼   ► with potential disabilities or being in wheelchairs.

00:38:23 ◼   ► That's huge.

00:38:25 ◼   ► And the fact, they were educating,

00:38:26 ◼   ► I think everybody in that room was like,

00:38:28 ◼   ► here are the types of wheelchair rolls.

00:38:30 ◼   ► That was incredible.

00:38:31 ◼   ► And now I wanna learn more about how you move

00:38:34 ◼   ► in a wheelchair and what's best for what type of terrain,

00:38:36 ◼   ► like the arc or the semi-roll.

00:38:37 ◼   ► Like that's fascinating to me.

00:38:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, it is.

00:38:39 ◼   ► Part of what Apple has really said is part of what,

00:38:43 ◼   ► as a company and a culture it believes,

00:38:46 ◼   ► has been embedded in things like health kit and research kit.

00:38:51 ◼   ► And people ask, isn't that just PR?

00:38:54 ◼   ► It's like, yeah, it's PR, but I think it's not just PR.

00:38:57 ◼   ► I think it's also a corporate value.

00:38:59 ◼   ► And even if this is PR, that's a choice that they make

00:39:04 ◼   ► to do that kind of PR.

00:39:05 ◼   ► - Sure, sure.

00:39:06 ◼   ► - They wanna be seen as that company.

00:39:08 ◼   ► - And I don't believe it's greenwashing

00:39:10 ◼   ► where they're essentially saying,

00:39:12 ◼   ► well, this will make us look better, so we'll do it.

00:39:14 ◼   ► I do believe it's a corporate value.

00:39:15 ◼   ► And this is another example of that,

00:39:18 ◼   ► where I think this is them choosing to make some decisions

00:39:22 ◼   ► because this is a product that has health implications

00:39:25 ◼   ► and therefore it should be more accessible.

00:39:30 ◼   ► And so yeah, you're right though,

00:39:32 ◼   ► that's exactly what I thought.

00:39:34 ◼   ► This is the most appley of things

00:39:38 ◼   ► in terms of like Tim Cook's apple

00:39:39 ◼   ► to have the time to roll.

00:39:41 ◼   ► That was great.

00:39:42 ◼   ► - I loved that, that was my favorite.

00:39:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, they're quietly revolutionizing it.

00:39:46 ◼   ► - Let's talk about iOS.

00:39:48 ◼   ► Messages, wow.

00:39:51 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:39:53 ◼   ► - I feel there's a real division in this.

00:39:55 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

00:39:56 ◼   ► - Like you either really want this

00:39:58 ◼   ► or want it to go away really fast.

00:40:02 ◼   ► I can't wait to send people amazing messages

00:40:06 ◼   ► full of confetti and explosions.

00:40:07 ◼   ► - Amazing.

00:40:08 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:40:10 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, I'm gonna get so many confetti explosions

00:40:12 ◼   ► from Myke and Steven.

00:40:13 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:40:15 ◼   ► - But the thing that was really interesting

00:40:17 ◼   ► in the presentation that they just breezed by

00:40:20 ◼   ► is a messages app store.

00:40:23 ◼   ► What is going on here?

00:40:25 ◼   ► Well, so they kind of dropped that right on the more slide

00:40:29 ◼   ► and after saying, yeah, you can do app integrations.

00:40:32 ◼   ► And really what it is is app extensions,

00:40:34 ◼   ► but it is going to be its own separate section in the app

00:40:37 ◼   ► store, just like third party keyboards kind of have

00:40:39 ◼   ► their separate subsection.

00:40:40 ◼   ► I don't think it's actually going to be a separate app

00:40:43 ◼   ► store, but you'll be able to access it

00:40:45 ◼   ► much like you have Facebook's buy cart, shopping cart,

00:40:49 ◼   ► inside their app where it's like buy new stickers.

00:40:51 ◼   ► And anybody who's dug into the docs a little bit,

00:40:54 ◼   ► you've got the sticker store that Apple's gonna have

00:40:57 ◼   ► and then you also have messages app extensions

00:41:00 ◼   ► and the stickers can just be stickers.

00:41:02 ◼   ► As they said on stage, you don't need to code

00:41:03 ◼   ► to be able to that.

00:41:04 ◼   ► I could get on my iPad Pro and I could draw

00:41:07 ◼   ► a couple of vector stickers and theoretically sell them

00:41:10 ◼   ► on the iMessages app store for 99 cents if I wanted to.

00:41:13 ◼   ► Relay stickers, yeah.

00:41:14 ◼   ► We'll make it happen. - I love stickers.

00:41:17 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:41:18 ◼   ► I'm trying to see if I can get someone to make one.

00:41:21 ◼   ► - I would be disappointed if all the relay stickers

00:41:24 ◼   ► do not show up on iMessage soon.

00:41:26 ◼   ► - We're committing people to this.

00:41:29 ◼   ► And you can hear him laughing over there.

00:41:31 ◼   ► Chris, can you work on that for us, Chris?

00:41:34 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:41:35 ◼   ► Is that okay?

00:41:36 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:41:37 ◼   ► - No, we talked about this on Upgrade today,

00:41:41 ◼   ► that there are these emoji deniers out there.

00:41:45 ◼   ► And I get it.

00:41:47 ◼   ► There is definitely gonna be a vein of people who say,

00:41:50 ◼   ► well look, these are just messages

00:41:52 ◼   ► and everything else is frivolity and forget about it

00:41:54 ◼   ► and why did they waste their time with this?

00:41:56 ◼   ► But if you look at the world

00:41:58 ◼   ► and how people use their phones especially,

00:42:00 ◼   ► worldwide, not just in one region,

00:42:02 ◼   ► but worldwide, messaging apps are the top apps.

00:42:06 ◼   ► They are incredibly popular.

00:42:08 ◼   ► People use, people live in these apps.

00:42:10 ◼   ► They live in WeChat, they live in Snapchat.

00:42:13 ◼   ► They live in, there are a bunch of others,

00:42:14 ◼   ► Line and Telegram and there's so many others.

00:42:17 ◼   ► like this and yes, and Google announced

00:42:21 ◼   ► some similar features at IO, but as a platform owner,

00:42:25 ◼   ► Apple really risked messages becoming irrelevant

00:42:27 ◼   ► to almost everybody because a lot of people

00:42:30 ◼   ► really like the fun stuff.

00:42:32 ◼   ► And it's not just age, although age is part of it,

00:42:35 ◼   ► like my daughter is really into Snapchat

00:42:37 ◼   ► and she loves sending emojis and things like that,

00:42:40 ◼   ► but my mom loves sending emojis too.

00:42:42 ◼   ► I think that people have really gotten that messaging

00:42:46 ◼   ► with other people, using your phone to connect

00:42:48 ◼   ► with other people can go beyond just the text you send them.

00:42:51 ◼   ► It can be pictures and videos and emoji and animations

00:42:55 ◼   ► and stickers and all of these other things.

00:42:58 ◼   ► And I got to applaud Apple for realizing that

00:43:01 ◼   ► and putting some effort into making messages better

00:43:05 ◼   ► because the other opportunity here is they don't do that,

00:43:10 ◼   ► they do something else, but then iMessage, I think,

00:43:13 ◼   ► becomes irrelevant essentially over time.

00:43:16 ◼   ► - And iMessage has of course, I mean,

00:43:17 ◼   ► it has a huge benefit over some of the other

00:43:20 ◼   ► messaging platforms out there in that it is

00:43:22 ◼   ► end to end encrypted, which is huge in comparison

00:43:24 ◼   ► to something like Ello.

00:43:26 ◼   ► But in addition to that, I think this is a big

00:43:29 ◼   ► recognition internationally too in terms of

00:43:31 ◼   ► how people communicate.

00:43:34 ◼   ► And also when you think about the origin of messaging,

00:43:36 ◼   ► when we talk about communicating online,

00:43:38 ◼   ► who's ever sent just a text message and had it

00:43:41 ◼   ► interpreted the wrong way?

00:43:43 ◼   ► or it's just text if you put the period on

00:43:46 ◼   ► or if you take the period off,

00:43:47 ◼   ► suddenly instead of just normal grammar,

00:43:49 ◼   ► it becomes oh my God, are they mad at me?

00:43:51 ◼   ► They ended it with a period.

00:43:53 ◼   ► Whereas I think emoji is a way to kinda lighten that up,

00:43:56 ◼   ► adding reactions, adding stickers.

00:43:58 ◼   ► It's a way to actually communicate emotions

00:44:01 ◼   ► in a forward thinking, in a very real,

00:44:05 ◼   ► I'm losing my brain. - It's like body language

00:44:07 ◼   ► or other nonverbal communication.

00:44:09 ◼   ► - They're cues. - Right,

00:44:10 ◼   ► 'cause text alone is not enough.

00:44:12 ◼   ► And so it's like, okay, what if we animated

00:44:14 ◼   ► your text bubble?

00:44:14 ◼   ► What if you could put a sticker on something?

00:44:16 ◼   ► What if you could send an emoji?

00:44:17 ◼   ► It's still a really narrow bandwidth communication medium

00:44:20 ◼   ► compared to us all in a room together,

00:44:23 ◼   ► but which we're all wired for and our brains are wired for.

00:44:26 ◼   ► But it's better than just plain text.

00:44:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I really do applaud Apple.

00:44:31 ◼   ► We're talking about the Apple Watch

00:44:33 ◼   ► and the Friends button and all of that

00:44:35 ◼   ► for really recognizing, hey, Digital Touch

00:44:37 ◼   ► is still potentially a really cool feature.

00:44:39 ◼   ► Let's take it off of the watch where it's tiny

00:44:42 ◼   ► and almost impossible, and instead, let's make it

00:44:44 ◼   ► so that you can annotate photos,

00:44:46 ◼   ► and you can put stickers on top of photos,

00:44:47 ◼   ► and you can draw on top of photos,

00:44:49 ◼   ► or you can just do animated handwritten text

00:44:51 ◼   ► that pop up in your messages screen.

00:44:53 ◼   ► I think that's a much better place for it.

00:44:55 ◼   ► - So, as well as this, we also saw a brand new lock screen.

00:44:58 ◼   ► So there's new notification stuff,

00:45:00 ◼   ► and it seemed like there were a lot of actions

00:45:01 ◼   ► that were taking advantage of 3D Touch.

00:45:04 ◼   ► But when I was looking at this, and they were showing,

00:45:07 ◼   ► oh, you can take a look at calendar availability

00:45:09 ◼   ► by just 3D touching you can respond to messages

00:45:12 ◼   ► by just 3D touching.

00:45:13 ◼   ► Is there a privacy concern here?

00:45:15 ◼   ► 'Cause someone should pick up my phone

00:45:17 ◼   ► and have all conversations with people,

00:45:19 ◼   ► check my messages.

00:45:21 ◼   ► - Pooping.

00:45:22 ◼   ► - They could do that if they wanted to, maybe.

00:45:25 ◼   ► - I had that same thought, and I was actually using,

00:45:28 ◼   ► I was trying to use Siri in as many ways as possible

00:45:32 ◼   ► the last few weeks, thinking that there would be

00:45:33 ◼   ► a lot of talk about Siri this week.

00:45:35 ◼   ► And you know the number one problem with Siri

00:45:37 ◼   ► on the iPhone is that half of the things you try to tell it,

00:45:40 ◼   ► it says, "I'm sorry, you need to unlock the phone

00:45:42 ◼   ► "to do that."

00:45:42 ◼   ► And I don't know what the solution is,

00:45:45 ◼   ► because it's understandable why a lot of stuff

00:45:48 ◼   ► is behind the lock and you can't do it.

00:45:50 ◼   ► At the same time, a lot of things

00:45:52 ◼   ► become a lot less valuable.

00:45:53 ◼   ► So I was thinking that again,

00:45:55 ◼   ► that with the notification stuff, it's the same story.

00:45:59 ◼   ► It's like I want, it's a tough line to walk,

00:46:02 ◼   ► but I want these things to be useful.

00:46:05 ◼   ► and yet I also want them to be secure.

00:46:08 ◼   ► So I don't know whether, you know,

00:46:11 ◼   ► what the solution is to that.

00:46:12 ◼   ► Would they do proximity using your Apple Watch

00:46:15 ◼   ► on your iOS device as well as on your Mac?

00:46:18 ◼   ► I don't know, but it is a problem

00:46:20 ◼   ► and I get the need for security,

00:46:23 ◼   ► but at some point, I mean,

00:46:25 ◼   ► I got really frustrated with Sirius.

00:46:26 ◼   ► Like, I know, you know, you wanna save my information

00:46:30 ◼   ► and not make it publicly available,

00:46:32 ◼   ► but if I'm driving, I just want you to do it.

00:46:34 ◼   ► I don't wanna get my phone out and put my finger

00:46:37 ◼   ► on the Touch ID sensor just to get you to read my messages

00:46:42 ◼   ► because I'm driving, that's dangerous.

00:46:44 ◼   ► You should just be able to do it.

00:46:46 ◼   ► So how do they find that balance?

00:46:47 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:46:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean it's my understanding that a lot of that

00:46:51 ◼   ► is going to be contextually set in privacy,

00:46:53 ◼   ► so it's gonna be up to you in terms of how much

00:46:55 ◼   ► you wanna show on the lock screen versus how little

00:46:58 ◼   ► and whether you wanna show compact or expanded views.

00:47:02 ◼   ► But it's a great point in terms of,

00:47:05 ◼   ► I would love to see proximity with the watch to the iPhone.

00:47:08 ◼   ► It's like, oh, or if I'm in my house, if I'm geofenced,

00:47:11 ◼   ► if I'm probably not going to be somewhere

00:47:13 ◼   ► where people are snooping over my shoulder,

00:47:15 ◼   ► let me just do these actions.

00:47:17 ◼   ► - Rem, what is the thing that you're most excited

00:47:21 ◼   ► to try from iOS 10?

00:47:22 ◼   ► - Music.

00:47:25 ◼   ► - Why is that?

00:47:26 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:47:27 ◼   ► - Well, I spent a little bit of time writing about Apple,

00:47:31 ◼   ► like not a lot, like an hour.

00:47:33 ◼   ► - One hour, one hour.

00:47:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, just one hour per day, every day for last year.

00:47:38 ◼   ► - Is that some sort of metric Canadian hour?

00:47:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, half Canadian hour.

00:47:42 ◼   ► Yeah, so, the other M,

00:47:46 ◼   ► music got a very drastic redesign

00:47:51 ◼   ► that when I initially saw it, I kind of hated,

00:47:53 ◼   ► and then the more I saw it,

00:47:54 ◼   ► the more I really grew to love it.

00:47:56 ◼   ► It's this big, bold, brash thing,

00:47:58 ◼   ► Whereas before, music was all about tiny touch targets.

00:48:01 ◼   ► You had the tiny little mini player

00:48:03 ◼   ► and the tiny little buttons.

00:48:05 ◼   ► And in order to get your offline songs,

00:48:07 ◼   ► you had to tap in the middle of the My Songs thing

00:48:11 ◼   ► and then scroll all the way to the bottom

00:48:12 ◼   ► and slide over for show offline.

00:48:14 ◼   ► It was just awful.

00:48:15 ◼   ► And especially, again, we go to the driving thing

00:48:18 ◼   ► where it's like Siri works and some people have CarPlay,

00:48:22 ◼   ► which is awesome, and some people have Siri hands free,

00:48:24 ◼   ► or eyes free, which is awesome.

00:48:26 ◼   ► but the vast majority of people are driving cars

00:48:29 ◼   ► that do not support either right now.

00:48:31 ◼   ► And even though no one wants to encourage

00:48:34 ◼   ► touching your phone while driving,

00:48:36 ◼   ► there are going to be people who use the music app

00:48:38 ◼   ► while they're driving.

00:48:39 ◼   ► And the new music app,

00:48:41 ◼   ► it's obviously not directly designed for this,

00:48:44 ◼   ► but all of the UI is so much bigger

00:48:47 ◼   ► and so much easier to use.

00:48:48 ◼   ► The font is like 14 or 16 point San Francisco,

00:48:52 ◼   ► so it's nice, it's big, it's bold.

00:48:54 ◼   ► Everything's been reorganized

00:48:56 ◼   ► Pretty much everything from my Apple Music wishlist

00:48:58 ◼   ► has been granted.

00:48:59 ◼   ► They took out Connect and they put it into For You.

00:49:02 ◼   ► There's Discovery Mixes where I don't know where Federico is

00:49:05 ◼   ► but I'm kind of like, here, Spotify says,

00:49:08 ◼   ► we're gonna do Discovery Mixes and Apple says,

00:49:10 ◼   ► no, instead of doing Discovery Mixes,

00:49:12 ◼   ► we're not only gonna do a Discovery Mix for you weekly

00:49:14 ◼   ► but we're gonna curate your favorited songs

00:49:17 ◼   ► so that everything you press like in

00:49:19 ◼   ► is gonna go into a mix.

00:49:20 ◼   ► And on top of that, we're gonna give you daily mixes.

00:49:23 ◼   ► and we're gonna bring back beats like,

00:49:25 ◼   ► "If you liked this, then go here."

00:49:28 ◼   ► And so all of these things in my hope,

00:49:32 ◼   ► and of course I haven't used it yet,

00:49:33 ◼   ► so I can't say everything's fixed

00:49:35 ◼   ► because Apple Music has many problems

00:49:37 ◼   ► and the app design is only a small factor of them,

00:49:41 ◼   ► but they're going, I feel like, in the right direction.

00:49:45 ◼   ► They're recognizing that people want

00:49:47 ◼   ► to see their music library.

00:49:48 ◼   ► They're recognizing that people might wanna listen to music

00:49:51 ◼   ► when they're offline.

00:49:52 ◼   ► They're recognizing that you don't really need four buttons

00:49:56 ◼   ► all for Apple Music, and you can probably just do it in one.

00:49:59 ◼   ► They're recognizing where curated music makes sense

00:50:02 ◼   ► versus automation.

00:50:03 ◼   ► And big search button.

00:50:07 ◼   ► Big search button is my favorite of all of that.

00:50:10 ◼   ► - Guys, thank you so much for joining me.

00:50:12 ◼   ► Please give it up for Jason and Ralph.

00:50:14 ◼   ► - Thanks, Myke.

00:50:15 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

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00:51:36 ◼   ► [APPLAUSE]

00:51:38 ◼   ► Now, we spent a bit of time talking about iOS 10, right?

00:51:44 ◼   ► But we haven't spoken about enough of it.

00:51:46 ◼   ► And we've already had Federico on stage.

00:51:49 ◼   ► So who else do I know that really loves using iOS

00:51:54 ◼   ► and loves working on iOS?

00:51:57 ◼   ► I think we're gonna need one more thing.

00:51:59 ◼   ► Ladies and gentlemen, my co-host of Cortex on Relay FM,

00:52:03 ◼   ► Mr. CGP Grey.

00:52:05 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

00:52:08 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:52:16 ◼   ► Wait for the live photo.

00:52:18 ◼   ► Hey everybody, it's great to be here.

00:52:21 ◼   ► He's always the showman.

00:52:23 ◼   ► Look at this.

00:52:24 ◼   ► Am I?

00:52:25 ◼   ► Yep.

00:52:26 ◼   ► So, before we start, are you the only person in San Francisco to just come to RelayCon?

00:52:33 ◼   ► I might be, I might be.

00:52:34 ◼   ► How many of you are here just because of RelayCon?

00:52:38 ◼   ► There we go, look at that.

00:52:39 ◼   ► Oh, look at that.

00:52:40 ◼   ► That was more than I thought.

00:52:41 ◼   ► Look at that.

00:52:42 ◼   ► Look at that.

00:52:43 ◼   ► Fantastic.

00:52:44 ◼   ► Every two weeks on cortex we talk about our multi iPad lifestyle

00:52:49 ◼   ► Do you think iOS 10 is gonna continue to advance our iPad lifestyle?

00:52:55 ◼   ► Okay, listen audience and I need to let you in like behind the scenes of what happened here

00:53:03 ◼   ► Look at look at you getting all nervous. You don't know what I'm gonna say, right? So

00:53:07 ◼   ► Myke convinced me to come here, you know his

00:53:11 ◼   ► Convincing nature as he does and he goes. Oh look don't worry. You don't have to prepare

00:53:16 ◼   ► It's gonna be really easy all we're gonna

00:53:19 ◼   ► Do is talk about all of the iPad stuff that they're going to discuss at?

00:53:25 ◼   ► WWDC not my fault right and so and so we're sitting there

00:53:31 ◼   ► I'm sitting next to Myke watching the keynote live and at the point when they're doing all this messages stuff

00:53:39 ◼   ► I'm sitting there just thinking oh

00:53:41 ◼   ► Oh no.

00:53:42 ◼   ► Looking at my watch, it's very close to the end now.

00:53:47 ◼   ► This seems to be their big thing.

00:53:49 ◼   ► Nothing is coming.

00:53:51 ◼   ► So here we are.

00:53:53 ◼   ► I have some things to talk to you about.

00:53:56 ◼   ► How excited are you for all the big emoji and bouncing bubbles I'm gonna send you?

00:54:02 ◼   ► And the confetti.

00:54:05 ◼   ► Like, it's like time to record Korteck.

00:54:07 ◼   ► Oh God.

00:54:10 ◼   ► You can't get away from them.

00:54:13 ◼   ► If there is, if there's anybody on the Apple accessibility team, I have a feature request.

00:54:21 ◼   ► When you toggle that reduce motion setting, it should reduce that kind of motion.

00:54:28 ◼   ► You won't be able to escape.

00:54:29 ◼   ► No, I will not be able to escape from it.

00:54:32 ◼   ► I am slightly the grumpy old man in this situation of sitting there thinking like, am I out of

00:54:38 ◼   ► touch?

00:54:39 ◼   ► It's the children who are out of touch

00:54:41 ◼   ► looking at that so

00:54:44 ◼   ► But it is it is I totally agree with Jason from before like it's not for me

00:54:49 ◼   ► I'm not gonna be sending you exploding messages

00:54:52 ◼   ► But it is it is totally the strategic move for Apple to do like if I was the CEO

00:54:58 ◼   ► I would have said you guys have to do this and I have seen on the

00:55:03 ◼   ► periphery of my social group

00:55:05 ◼   ► People starting to eat away at iMessage, like starting to send me requests about, "Let's not talk on iMessage because I can't send you stickers."

00:55:13 ◼   ► So I think they had to do it. They totally had to do it even though it's not for me.

00:55:17 ◼   ► I will not be using it, but I will be receiving it.

00:55:20 ◼   ► Like me and Federico recently have basically moved all of our communication to Telegram because it does little things like expanding the links and stuff,

00:55:28 ◼   ► but it also does stickers and extra emoji and it has weird little apps in it and stuff.

00:55:33 ◼   ► So I think it is the right move to make it's just unfortunate when people like me will send things to you

00:55:40 ◼   ► All the time there is one thing that I think will help you so, you know the new emoji suggestions

00:55:45 ◼   ► Do you think they will help increase your emoji game?

00:55:49 ◼   ► You can you know, you can send me some messages you press the little button and you can simply hit

00:55:55 ◼   ► I feel like this is for people who don't understand emoji

00:55:59 ◼   ► Yeah, that was right. That was exactly my thought when they did the we're gonna write a thing and then we're going to turn it into

00:56:06 ◼   ► Indecipherable hieroglyphics for you. I was sitting there thinking

00:56:10 ◼   ► Who is this for?

00:56:13 ◼   ► Who is this for?

00:56:16 ◼   ► Because people I know

00:56:18 ◼   ► Who use lots of emojis do not need assistance

00:56:24 ◼   ► using more emojis.

00:56:26 ◼   ► So it did totally strike me as a,

00:56:30 ◼   ► this is how you teach grandpa how to emoji kind of feature.

00:56:34 ◼   ► Like listen grandpa, I know you don't know

00:56:35 ◼   ► where the emojis go, just press this button

00:56:38 ◼   ► and then it will be sent to me.

00:56:39 ◼   ► I have a hard time consuming who that's for,

00:56:42 ◼   ► but I have to say, it made a hilarious demo.

00:56:45 ◼   ► Like it was a real crowd pleaser when they pressed

00:56:47 ◼   ► that button, it's like, emojis everywhere.

00:56:50 ◼   ► - What do you think about HomeKit?

00:56:52 ◼   ► Now, this is maybe the second or third time

00:56:55 ◼   ► we've heard about HomeKit WWDC.

00:56:57 ◼   ► I know that you are interested

00:56:59 ◼   ► in some of the home automation stuff.

00:57:01 ◼   ► Did the Home app and some of the additional things

00:57:03 ◼   ► that you're trying to do,

00:57:04 ◼   ► did that pique your interest in any way?

00:57:06 ◼   ► - I feel like you.

00:57:08 ◼   ► I feel like I've seen this presentation three times now

00:57:10 ◼   ► about how I'm going to live in an amazing automated future.

00:57:13 ◼   ► And I'm still just sitting here with my Hue lights

00:57:16 ◼   ► to change the colors every once in a while.

00:57:20 ◼   ► I mean, I guess now HomeKit has a place that it exists in

00:57:24 ◼   ► so that I can hopefully tie things together.

00:57:27 ◼   ► But I didn't hear stuff like what I want to hear of,

00:57:30 ◼   ► hey, home automation systems,

00:57:33 ◼   ► do you know that more than one person lives in a house?

00:57:36 ◼   ► Like it's great to trigger the lights to leave when I leave,

00:57:39 ◼   ► but like other people are in the house.

00:57:41 ◼   ► So like, it doesn't seem like it's some crazy leap

00:57:46 ◼   ► to be able to check about which devices are in the house.

00:57:49 ◼   ► And if anybody should be able to do it, it's like,

00:57:53 ◼   ► I feel there needs to be something with this where

00:57:55 ◼   ► you can set up the home to kind of share information

00:57:59 ◼   ► between different Apple IDs.

00:58:01 ◼   ► Or like, I am here and my wife is here

00:58:03 ◼   ► and like other people are visiting.

00:58:05 ◼   ► So even if my wife and I leave,

00:58:07 ◼   ► everything in the house doesn't shut off.

00:58:09 ◼   ► And the guests are just left in the dark

00:58:11 ◼   ► and nothing turns on.

00:58:12 ◼   ► So it's like I wanted to be interesting,

00:58:16 ◼   ► but I kind of thought, it doesn't seem like any more

00:58:19 ◼   ► than I can currently do right now.

00:58:23 ◼   ► - One of the things that they just flew by in the keynote

00:58:25 ◼   ► was Notes collaboration.

00:58:27 ◼   ► Now, in my mind, this is the most incredible thing,

00:58:33 ◼   ► and we'll all be able to just type simultaneously.

00:58:37 ◼   ► - Do you remember, do you remember, Myke,

00:58:40 ◼   ► when we were starting Cortex?

00:58:41 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

00:58:42 ◼   ► - And one of my requests was,

00:58:44 ◼   ► can we use pages to collaborate?

00:58:46 ◼   ► - I said, hell no, we cannot use pages.

00:58:49 ◼   ► And we went to Google Docs for a while,

00:58:52 ◼   ► but then we both rage quit Google Docs recently.

00:58:54 ◼   ► - Yes, we did.

00:58:55 ◼   ► - And we used Quip.

00:58:56 ◼   ► - Yes, we do.

00:58:57 ◼   ► - I would love to use Notes for this stuff.

00:59:00 ◼   ► But I mean, I don't know anything about it.

00:59:02 ◼   ► I haven't seen anything about it.

00:59:04 ◼   ► I haven't seen any product pages.

00:59:06 ◼   ► I know that it's a thing that exists.

00:59:09 ◼   ► I don't think it's gonna be what I want.

00:59:11 ◼   ► Like I think it will just be like

00:59:12 ◼   ► kind of Evernote collaboration.

00:59:14 ◼   ► One person will do a note, one person will have a note.

00:59:16 ◼   ► but maybe with Mrs. Grey would you share notes

00:59:20 ◼   ► and like for traveling maybe with me, traveling with me?

00:59:24 ◼   ► - And why am I sharing notes with you when I'm traveling?

00:59:27 ◼   ► - Because you know, you might want to.

00:59:29 ◼   ► Sometimes friends tell each other things,

00:59:33 ◼   ► you know, you might wanna let me know

00:59:34 ◼   ► what your travel plans are, you know?

00:59:36 ◼   ► - I see the hope in your eyes.

00:59:41 ◼   ► - You share them with me?

00:59:42 ◼   ► - Right, but I think there is going to be

00:59:43 ◼   ► disappointment in reality.

00:59:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:59:46 ◼   ► if they had built some kind of crazy live collaboration feature, we would have seen

00:59:50 ◼   ► it. They would have demoed it. They were like, "Look, two people can talk at the same time

00:59:54 ◼   ► on a Notes message." This is like whenever Google did it with Wave a decade ago. But

01:00:01 ◼   ► for some reason, someone remembers Wave.

01:00:03 ◼   ► Oh, man, Google Wave.

01:00:04 ◼   ► Who remembers Wave?

01:00:05 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

01:00:06 ◼   ► Oh, man. I feel like I remember seeing that video and I was like, "This is the future.

01:00:10 ◼   ► This is amazing." And they're like, "Oh, I never became that."

01:00:12 ◼   ► It really was so good, though.

01:00:13 ◼   ► - It looks so cool, it looks so cool.

01:00:15 ◼   ► And name for a thing in Firefly,

01:00:17 ◼   ► I was like, there's no way this is gonna fail.

01:00:19 ◼   ► There's no way.

01:00:20 ◼   ► So no, I don't imagine we're gonna be using

01:00:23 ◼   ► Notes collaboratively.

01:00:24 ◼   ► Like I think it's interesting.

01:00:25 ◼   ► I think it's interesting the more they bring into Notes,

01:00:27 ◼   ► but again, it's hard for me to see that personally,

01:00:31 ◼   ► me using that personally.

01:00:32 ◼   ► But what I am going to use is that clipboard everywhere.

01:00:37 ◼   ► - Right? - Okay.

01:00:38 ◼   ► - 'Cause I have to say, that was like,

01:00:41 ◼   ► I was hoping for more iPad stuff,

01:00:43 ◼   ► But that universal clipboard is like, this is for me.

01:00:47 ◼   ► I have very many devices between which I want to copy

01:00:50 ◼   ► and paste things all the time,

01:00:52 ◼   ► and I have used many of these clipboard syncing things,

01:00:56 ◼   ► but they never quite work right.

01:00:58 ◼   ► And so this feels like the platform owner has to do this.

01:01:02 ◼   ► Apple has to do this.

01:01:03 ◼   ► They can run something that monitors

01:01:05 ◼   ► when you copy and paste every time.

01:01:07 ◼   ► So I'm actually quite happy about that,

01:01:09 ◼   ► being able to move around between five OS devices.

01:01:14 ◼   ► Like I wanna be able to do that really simply.

01:01:16 ◼   ► - Lots of people know that we obsess,

01:01:20 ◼   ► maybe you more than me, over home screen organization.

01:01:24 ◼   ► You will now be able to remove the Apple apps

01:01:27 ◼   ► that you don't want.

01:01:28 ◼   ► Does this make you happy?

01:01:30 ◼   ► Oh, look at this, a round of applause in the audience.

01:01:34 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

01:01:35 ◼   ► - I think I saw someone, someone sent me on Twitter

01:01:39 ◼   ► Some message they were like,

01:01:40 ◼   ► "Oh, I'll finally be able to get rid of this."

01:01:41 ◼   ► And it was a folder with the name, Crapple,

01:01:45 ◼   ► and they put in all of their stock apps

01:01:48 ◼   ► and all of that kind of stuff.

01:01:49 ◼   ► So I throw everything into one folder

01:01:52 ◼   ► so I don't see it anyway,

01:01:53 ◼   ► but somehow psychologically it does bother me.

01:01:56 ◼   ► - You know it's there.

01:01:57 ◼   ► It's like the junk drawer.

01:01:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like, I know you're there stock app.

01:02:01 ◼   ► I fundamentally agree, disagree with your existence.

01:02:03 ◼   ► Why would I even want to check the stock this often?

01:02:06 ◼   ► Who is this for?

01:02:07 ◼   ► I just wanted to go.

01:02:08 ◼   ► Yeah, I know it's like just go away stock app and now like it can be gone

01:02:12 ◼   ► Except I don't know if you saw there is one app that you cannot uninstall. Do you would you like to take a guess?

01:02:20 ◼   ► Tips no, it's news

01:02:24 ◼   ► News cannot be uninstalled and my guess is it's because of the spotlight integration, right? That's why they left

01:02:36 ◼   ► I spent forever trying to get rid of that thing.

01:02:38 ◼   ► But someone sent me that, I was like,

01:02:40 ◼   ► you've got to be kidding me.

01:02:41 ◼   ► The one app that really needs to go.

01:02:45 ◼   ► They're keeping it on there.

01:02:46 ◼   ► So not excited about that, but I'll

01:02:49 ◼   ► be happy to clear out the rest of them.

01:02:51 ◼   ► So we did have one big iPad thing, right?

01:02:54 ◼   ► Like I spoke about with Federico and Steven,

01:02:56 ◼   ► Swift Playgrounds.

01:02:57 ◼   ► What do you think of Swift Playgrounds?

01:02:59 ◼   ► Oh, man.

01:03:02 ◼   ► While we did not get anything specifically

01:03:05 ◼   ► for the iPad.

01:03:07 ◼   ► Like that app, that was just super exciting to me

01:03:11 ◼   ► because I feel like, okay great,

01:03:13 ◼   ► we've cracked this barrier, right?

01:03:17 ◼   ► They put Swift on the iPad and so I feel like now

01:03:21 ◼   ► it is just inevitable that we are going to be at a WWDC

01:03:25 ◼   ► at some point where they're like,

01:03:26 ◼   ► guess what we're announcing?

01:03:28 ◼   ► It's Xcode for iPhone.

01:03:30 ◼   ► Like they're going to do it at some point

01:03:33 ◼   ► And what I was really interested to see is,

01:03:36 ◼   ► I watched the developer State of the Union,

01:03:39 ◼   ► I think they call it,

01:03:40 ◼   ► and they have done a fantastic job

01:03:44 ◼   ► of helping the user to input code.

01:03:49 ◼   ► They were demoing their special code keyboard,

01:03:51 ◼   ► they were demoing the snippets that were doing

01:03:54 ◼   ► like auto-filling functions as you're typing.

01:03:56 ◼   ► The guy was showing about how he was able to change

01:03:58 ◼   ► all of these parameters in his example app

01:04:00 ◼   ► without ever even having to pull up the keyboard

01:04:02 ◼   ► to have it go up the screen.

01:04:04 ◼   ► Like I was just super impressed by that.

01:04:07 ◼   ► And I have to say that I am,

01:04:09 ◼   ► I don't know if a room full of developers

01:04:12 ◼   ► will agree with me, but I think programming

01:04:16 ◼   ► is a unique skill.

01:04:18 ◼   ► And the more people that you can get to do this, the better.

01:04:23 ◼   ► Like it is a thing that if you have interest in it,

01:04:27 ◼   ► you can start yourself down a path

01:04:31 ◼   ► that can lead anywhere.

01:04:33 ◼   ► Like you can build things that other people will use.

01:04:37 ◼   ► And what I was really happy to see is that

01:04:39 ◼   ► those Swift playgrounds, while they're not full apps,

01:04:44 ◼   ► a kid could pick that up and make something

01:04:47 ◼   ► that does something on an iPad

01:04:51 ◼   ► just playing around with Swift.

01:04:52 ◼   ► And that's what I think is the big deal.

01:04:54 ◼   ► Like okay, now they can at least see what it is

01:04:58 ◼   ► and then if they're really into it,

01:05:00 ◼   ► they have a reason to transition to grandpa Mac

01:05:03 ◼   ► to finish up their development,

01:05:06 ◼   ► but like you're getting them started.

01:05:08 ◼   ► And to me, that's the biggest deal.

01:05:09 ◼   ► So I'm super happy about that.

01:05:12 ◼   ► I am super happy about it.

01:05:13 ◼   ► - I do wish that we got more iPad stuff though.

01:05:16 ◼   ► - I know, I'm very sad.

01:05:17 ◼   ► I'm holding out, I'm holding out hope.

01:05:20 ◼   ► - For like 10.1?

01:05:21 ◼   ► - Because, because we did have that 9.3.

01:05:24 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:05:25 ◼   ► - And so what I kept at least telling myself,

01:05:27 ◼   ► like on the sad walk back to the hotel,

01:05:29 ◼   ► like no iPad and oh god what are we going to discuss?

01:05:33 ◼   ► Myke is, oh Myke.

01:05:35 ◼   ► - Oh I was so mad.

01:05:37 ◼   ► So mad.

01:05:38 ◼   ► - But I was thinking on the way back,

01:05:40 ◼   ► since they introduced that multi-user thing in 9.3,

01:05:45 ◼   ► I thought I can put my hopes into

01:05:50 ◼   ► maybe new Apple releases more features throughout the year,

01:05:53 ◼   ► maybe I won't have to wait an entire year

01:05:57 ◼   ► to see if they change the little task switcher,

01:06:00 ◼   ► the app switcher on the side, which is the worst,

01:06:02 ◼   ► which is the absolute worst.

01:06:04 ◼   ► Like, I love having two apps on my iPad.

01:06:06 ◼   ► I do not love changing that second one.

01:06:10 ◼   ► No, it is terrible.

01:06:10 ◼   ► - I was hoping that like, they just did it,

01:06:13 ◼   ► right, just didn't tell anyone.

01:06:14 ◼   ► - They just, you're right.

01:06:15 ◼   ► - I was like, I got a few people to check, but it's not true.

01:06:17 ◼   ► I was like, oh, why don't you just do it?

01:06:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, I immediately was looking at that slide

01:06:20 ◼   ► where they post all the little things, and I was like,

01:06:22 ◼   ► come on, there's gotta be new app switcher,

01:06:23 ◼   ► come on, come on, oh no.

01:06:25 ◼   ► We were sitting there looking at it together, zooming in,

01:06:27 ◼   ► but that's it.

01:06:29 ◼   ► Gray, thank you so much.

01:06:30 ◼   ► Oh, what is this?

01:06:31 ◼   ► - So Myke, I have a mystery box for you.

01:06:33 ◼   ► - Oh, God.

01:06:34 ◼   ► - Do you notice the mystery box?

01:06:35 ◼   ► - No, I don't know what it is.

01:06:36 ◼   ► - Okay, so here we go, everybody.

01:06:38 ◼   ► I brought a mystery box for Myke.

01:06:39 ◼   ► Because Myke, look at you, you're so nervous right now.

01:06:44 ◼   ► - I know what he's doing.

01:06:45 ◼   ► - Myke genuinely has been very convincing of me to come.

01:06:52 ◼   ► He's been very nice.

01:06:53 ◼   ► He set everything up.

01:06:55 ◼   ► And I think he tonight has put on a fantastic event

01:07:01 ◼   ► for everybody who's come here.

01:07:03 ◼   ► Can we all agree?

01:07:04 ◼   ► Can we all agree?

01:07:05 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

01:07:07 ◼   ► Yeah?

01:07:09 ◼   ► Look at that guy.

01:07:09 ◼   ► Look at that guy.

01:07:10 ◼   ► Now, also, look how stylish he is, isn't he?

01:07:16 ◼   ► Right?

01:07:17 ◼   ► He's just incredibly stylish.

01:07:19 ◼   ► So I happened to see a little while ago something that I thought would be an excellent thank

01:07:27 ◼   ► you gift from me for bringing me out here for arranging everything.

01:07:30 ◼   ► And if I may be so bold, you all get in on the gift too, right?

01:07:34 ◼   ► It's a thank you from you for arranging this event.

01:07:36 ◼   ► So Myke, would you like to see what I got you?

01:07:38 ◼   ► Yeah, okay.

01:07:39 ◼   ► How do I open it?

01:07:41 ◼   ► You open it up.

01:07:42 ◼   ► Oh, it's a lovely bow tie.

01:07:44 ◼   ► Look at that.

01:07:45 ◼   ► It is the most hipster bow tie in the world.

01:07:49 ◼   ► - Made of wood. - Because it is made of wood.

01:07:52 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

01:07:56 ◼   ► - I'm gonna put this on in a minute.

01:07:57 ◼   ► - And you know what I cannot believe?

01:08:00 ◼   ► It matches your outfit.

01:08:02 ◼   ► When I saw you wearing that yellow shirt,

01:08:03 ◼   ► there's yellow stripes on this bow tie,

01:08:05 ◼   ► I was like, it was meant to be.

01:08:08 ◼   ► - I will put a picture in the show notes

01:08:10 ◼   ► of me wearing the bow tie.

01:08:11 ◼   ► - Fantastic. - Thank you, Grey.

01:08:13 ◼   ► Thank you so much, man.

01:08:14 ◼   ► - Thank you, man. - Thank you.

01:08:16 ◼   ► All right.

01:08:18 ◼   ► Steven, come back up here.

01:08:19 ◼   ► Just before we wrap up, I want to say just one quick thing.

01:08:29 ◼   ► My first WWDC, our first WWDC, was four years ago.

01:08:34 ◼   ► Yes.

01:08:35 ◼   ► And we went to an event in this gallery, the Mina Gallery.

01:08:42 ◼   ► And that night, I met a bunch of people

01:08:45 ◼   ► that I am now lucky enough to call friends

01:08:48 ◼   ► and people that I work with.

01:08:49 ◼   ► So this means an awful lot to me.

01:08:52 ◼   ► So thank you for doing this.

01:08:55 ◼   ► Thank you all for coming.

01:08:56 ◼   ► Thanks everyone for listening.

01:08:59 ◼   ► I wanna thank our volunteers,

01:09:01 ◼   ► as well we have a bunch of amazing volunteers this evening.

01:09:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, we've got a bunch of volunteers in the back

01:09:05 ◼   ► who helped check you all in

01:09:06 ◼   ► and make sure everyone was stayed safe,

01:09:07 ◼   ► so thank you very much.

01:09:09 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

01:09:11 ◼   ► - Thanks to all of our guests

01:09:13 ◼   ► that have joined up and on the stage of us tonight.

01:09:16 ◼   ► Thank you again to all of our sponsors out there.

01:09:19 ◼   ► Thank you all for listening.

01:09:21 ◼   ► Have a great week and we'll see you next time.

01:09:24 ◼   ► Adios.

01:09:25 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

01:09:28 ◼   ► [ Applause ]

01:09:30 ◼   ► [ Pause ]