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     - From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 97. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Today's show is brought to you very kindly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by Ministry of Supply, willing.com, and Braintree. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My name is Myke Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am joined by Mr. Steven Hackett. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, Steven Hackett. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Hello, Michael Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And Hark, what is that in the distance? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is a returning Federico Vittucci. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Hey, guys. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So happy to have you back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I missed you guys last week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are you recovered? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Not fully, but I'll get there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, I was thinking there was some kind of irony in the fact that I caught some kind of bug at a developers conference. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, feathery. Have you been working on that all week? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, I just thought about it like a minute ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like on Monday of last week. I have a great idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, I get better eventually I think. I just want to get back to work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I miss you guys and you did a good job last week. So it's good to be back. Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know something that will have helped your... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     While you've been sick you've had something to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You've had the ability to play with the iPad 9.7. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Not much actually. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Not much. I mean I did... I'm using it. It's just... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Last week I basically didn't touch my devices for like three days. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was just in bed and I didn't want to see Twitter, I didn't want to see Slack. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I've been using it for really just the past couple of days actually. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do I have to say that you were right again? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, you don't have to say it, but I think it would be the right thing to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You think it will. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, so you were right. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You want to say it like in full? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     #mikewasright. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Is that what you want to hear? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, that's what I want to hear. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     So, I'm not going to hear the end of this, I know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anyway, you were right when you said that I needed a second device to, you know, especially 
     
     
  
 
 
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     during the summer for the iOS 10 beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, this is what I'm doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I put the iOS 10 beta 1 on the smaller iPad Pro and I'm keeping iOS 9, at least for the next few betas, until beta 3 or 4. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm keeping iOS 9 on the big iPad Pro, which is where I get my writing done, because I just want to have a stable environment. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the iPad Pro, the small one, two points that immediately caught my attention. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     intention, the true tone display you really don't get it until you use it for a few hours. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's so... like the best way that I can describe it is it's like night shift for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     day. And by that I mean it makes your... the looking experience, the looking at the screen, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the entire experience, it makes it better, more comfortable. And when you switch back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     even to the iPhone, not just to the big iPad Pro, but even to another non-true tone display 
     
     
  
 
 
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     device, it looks worse. It looks blue and it looks like, I don't know, it just looks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     less comfortable than the true tone display. So definitely one of the technologies that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would like to see coming to every Apple device. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yep. It is like Retina in that way. Like I want it on all of my devices now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the second aspect I would say is after the big iPad Pro you kind of forget how light 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and comfortable and just manageable it is, the 9.7 iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Another point on the other hand that I really remain convinced of is I don't want to get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my writing done on the small iPad Pro. Because the multitasking experience, the split view, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's really no contest between the big iPad Pro and this one. I mean, it's perfect 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for Twitter, reading, catching up on Slack. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I find it as like a convenience as opposed to a way to do serious work. And that's where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I see the two iPads as being different a lot of the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah. And I mean, I could get my writing done. It's just, I know what split view, what the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     assistant keyboard can be on the Big iPad Pro and I don't want to switch back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I was thinking about this even when we were in San Francisco, about the fact that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a lot of people, including me and you, we used to have desktop computer and the portable 
     
     
  
 
 
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     computer, we used to have iMacs and MacBooks, and now we were ending up with the Big iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Pro and the Small iPad Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And in a way it's sort of like the same idea, which is you have the big device for work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and a small device for everything else, like a portable device that you can carry around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all the time. But there is a difference between the old age, I would say, and the new era, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is even the big computer, so even the big iPad Pro, I can carry around with me all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the time. And it's got cellular, and it's got, you know, this beautiful display. So 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would say that even if the basic idea is the same, which is you have two computers, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one is big, the other is small. I think we're getting better in terms of portability and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     having a computer that's always with you. Because in the old era I couldn't bring the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iMac with me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, it's closer to having like a 15 or 17 inch MacBook Pro and a MacBook Air, but that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of description doesn't effectively make the point that I'm trying to make. So that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     why I've used like iMac and laptop, even though I'm kind of bending it a little bit in there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's to make the point rather than to talk about like the actual logistics of carrying something like this around. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Exactly. Yeah. So I'm very satisfied so far. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's all I ever want really. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know. The gold and red smart cover combo looks fantastic. It got Sylvia's own seal of approval. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     So I came back, so I didn't tell her nothing about the fact that I bought an iPad while 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was in San Francisco. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, I've been meaning to ask you how this went down. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I knew she wouldn't understand on the phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I kept it a secret. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I even waited until we were back home, just me and her, not even in the car. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So when I was unpacking, I was like, "Oh, by the way, I bought you a pen, I bought you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a t-shirt, a bunch of stickers." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then the very last item, I was like, "Oh, by the way, I bought an iPad Pro." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the immediate reaction was, "Why are you wasting our money?" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which I was expecting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Then I explained my reasoning, and I was like, "By the end of this process, when I'm done 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the beta, you can also use this device. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not gonna be just mine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can also use it with a pencil, you can draw, you can do whatever you want." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So she was like, "Okay, I like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like the idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like the color, the combination of the gold and the red smart cover. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So she's happy with it, because she knows eventually she's going to be able to use it 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And in fact, she's thinking about actually getting a red iPhone case, because she likes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the red smart cover so much. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So all's well that ends well, I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I wanted to go back for a second to the multiple computer analogy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I agree with you Myke, I think it is a little bit closer to like having a 15-inch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     MacBook Pro and like the MacBook but what I do find interesting is the idea 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you really prefer doing like some work on one and some work on the other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I mean going to the desktop and notebook you know idea for a long time I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think people would look at a desktop like an iMac or a Mac Pro or go further back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like a power mac and that's there like that's the work machine like if you're a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     designer that's where you're designing or that's where you're producing music or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     editing video and you have like a laptop to go to meetings and like do email at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     home and you know do like non heavy lifting type tasks and to hear like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that carrying on and to how you guys are using your tablets like I think it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really natural evolution I mean I think I mean clearly there are people out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there who think it's ridiculous and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think that's that's silly because you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     guys are super productive you own your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     businesses like not much you can complain 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about but I just I don't know I find 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that that thread continuing today and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think for a lot of people they're kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of a step behind you where they're hey I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have a MacBook or a MacBook Pro and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's where I do my work and then I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have an iPad for like other stuff that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where I sit right I'd yeah have a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of work I could do on my tablet, but I choose to do it on the Mac still. But there are types 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of tasks that are just more comfortable on the iPad. So again, this whole idea of having 
     
     
  
 
 
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     multiple machines for multiple things is not a new one, and I think that puts a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     credence into what you're saying. Yeah, I think so. I will keep going back to this time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and time again that this is just the machine that I want to do my work on. Luckily or unlikely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     enough for me, there are multiple machines, right? But they offer me different, they offer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     me more choice than maybe two laptops, you know, in that way I feel like there's big 
     
     
  
 
 
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     differences because the software works different. That doesn't really happen very much on the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mac, right? So we're talking about like, it's not just the space that you get in Splitview, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the keyboard being fundamentally different is a big thing and the 12.9 inch iPad Pro's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keyboard is so much better than the 9.7 just because of all this extra space and the extra 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keys. So it's like that is actually kind of a different computer at that point. It's like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     imagine having, because Apple doesn't do this right? You don't get two laptops with different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keyboards. They have this, well let's pull the MacBook Adorable out of this for the moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if you look at the MacBook Pro's size differences, right, they're the same keyboard 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over the two different devices, you know, and you have one that is 13 inch and one that 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So you can't really, I think, compare them in all the same ways. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's like two laptops. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's why I think it gets real messy, but I know that it works for me and I'm happy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to hear that it's working for Federico as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There was something I wanted to mention to you, TG, about the 9.7. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think when you use the software keyboard is when the split screen is not very useful 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at all, because you've got two apps taking up a small amount of size and then the keyboard 
     
     
  
 
 
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     takes up half the screen, so then you kind of have like two quarters, it's not very useful 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     When you use an external keyboard, the split screen is way better than that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I know because you use the software a lot, but now that you're playing around with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     external keyboards more, it's better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like I always use the smart keyboard, which always on the keyboard cover. I can never 
     
     
  
 
 
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     remember. What is that product called? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Smart keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Smart keyboard. It always confuses me because that feels like that's the magic keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then I feel like it should just be called the keyboard cover, but it's not. And then 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you have something called the smart cover. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That one's not magic. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. I think it's because it doesn't have a lightning 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pull on the bottom of it or something. I don't know. But because I use the keyboard cover, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a lot more, it's not what it's called is it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What is it called? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Smart keyboard. - Smart keyboard, right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yes. - Oh my word. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I use the smart keyboard, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's better for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think maybe if you use it more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the hardware keyboard, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you'll feel that you can get more productive work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out of the 9.7 inch screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And when I was only using that to travel with, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was more constrained when I was in San Francisco, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I was able to do all of the work that I do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is a less comfortable environment to do it in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it's like when I use the MacBook Pro to edit a show, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's not as comfortable as when I use my 27-inch iMac 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to edit a show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I just feel like the small iPad Pro is more, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like it invites me to hold it instead of using a keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, it's way more suitable for consumption of stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than the 12-miners, except for video, of course. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah. - Definitely. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We, Sivi and I, we're still watching Orange is the New Black season 4 and it's all on the iPad Pro, the big one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just because it's bigger and it looks fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But definitely I think a keyboard with the split view helps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just, this is the kind of device that I want to hold, that I want to walk around the house with, that I want to sit on the couch with. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with. So I think I'll be doing all my typing on the Big Appet Pro and use the small one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for, you know, Pocket, Twitter, that kind of stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, and, you know, I do realize when I take the keyboard off sometimes, I'm like "Oh, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this thing is so thin and light!" What a surprise! Oh yeah, that catches me. That catches me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every now and then. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Alright, we haven't even really gotten into follow-up yet, so let's take our first break, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am going to ask you now Federico, because you mentioned the review when we were talking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the 9.7 and I saw you post a tweet the other day with you looked like you were opening 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a mind mapping application to begin the mind map for your next review. So I have two kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of questions for you. One, has the work begun and how is that going? And also, it's very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     funny to me that it seems like the only use you have for whatever application this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is to plan your iOS reviews. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The second question is, I don't usually write articles that are this long, and the problem 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is I do find it useful to be able to outline these kind of huge stories in a mindmap. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What application is that, by the way? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's my node, but I'll get to that in a moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I also delete a lot of old mindmaps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Before taking the screenshot I just thought it was funny to keep the iOS 9 mindmap while 
     
     
  
 
 
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     taking the screenshot with the iOS 10 one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So there were other mindmaps, just a couple. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had one for... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't remember, it was a bunch of old articles, like the really long ones, but two other mindmaps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't use it often, I just use it when an article gets too long, when a story has too 
     
     
  
 
 
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     many different topics. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The app is MindNode and I'm actually having a bit of trouble and I'm pretty sure it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because of iOS 10. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I have iOS 10 beta 1 on my iPhone and on the small iPad Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     On the big iPad Pro, which is where I want to write and do my research, I have iOS 9. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm having issues with iCloud sync because MindNode uses iCloud Drive. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not sure what is going on, I mean, it has to be some kind of compatibility problem 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But basically the mind maps are not showing up on all of my devices. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if this doesn't work out I'll probably be switching to iThoughts, which is this other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mind mapping app for iOS, that I actually also used last year, because I started in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     MindNode and eventually moved to iThoughts, because of some of the, I think, markdown 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and image features, but MineNode has some updates lately. Anyway, this is way too nerdy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We might come back to this at some point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We'll come back to this. Anyway, if it's not MineNode, it'll be iThoughts, which uses Dropbox. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, the work actually started when we were in San Francisco, Myke, because I went 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the sessions, I was taking notes. So right now I'm at the stage where I've attended a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a few sessions that I really wanted to go to. I've watched some of the videos of sessions 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I missed because we were busy doing our own road trips and stuff. And so I have a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     few, by few I mean like 10 to 15 maybe, notes in the Apple Notes app and these are all unstructured 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and comments from me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Why do you keep separate notes? Is it on different topics? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's on different topics and I have different notes for Siri, Proactive stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     subscriptions for example, you know, all these different features are in a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different note and I also have a master note where I keep my general like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thoughts, my high-level comments. And I have a list of minor features and changes that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I also want to tackle at the end of the review. So what I'm trying, at this point I'm at the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stage where I think I have an idea for the introduction, and I need to kind of think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about that and visualize that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But do you need to write the introduction first? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, yeah, I always do that because it kind of puts me in a mood where I know what kind of... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The style or the tone? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What kind of style, what kind of tone, what kind of steps I need to follow? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What kind of angle I want to have? And this is... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We've talked about this. This is how I write. I need to find an angle. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I need to find a story before I move on to the next steps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I think I found what I want to talk about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I have all of these different notes. So I'll be finishing up the the session videos that I missed and now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     after that, I'll need to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     visualize everything on a mind map and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I need to do that because for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Stories that are this long, you know with multiple pages on the site 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The mind map helps me view the weight of each section visually. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So depending on all of the branches, all of the subnodes and the comments, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at a glance I can see which section is going to be heavier in terms of content 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and in terms of research than others, and I can try to move things around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to give the review a better flow so that I don't have like three really content-heavy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sections all clustered in the same, you know, next to each other. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you look at the iOS 9 review last year, for example, there were shorter sections such 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as mail or share sheet kind of in the middle just to kind of break the flow and give the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     review a different rhythm so it could read better for people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I'm sure that you would change, I assume that it goes through quite a lot of changes, the introduction. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh yeah, it goes through many many changes and this is what I do during the summer when I write. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If I think of a nice sentence or of a nice point, something that sounds nice and that I don't have in the review, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     review, either I make a note real quick or I just put it in the mind map, give it a different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     color or like a sticker or like I make it bold, whatever, just to indicate that I need 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to add that point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:43
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     And as I go through each section, I collapse all of the different branches so I know when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a section is done. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:54
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     And that's the advantage of a mindmap, that it also, in addition to a visual aid for understanding 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like the importance of sections, it also lets me view progress. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So as I close down a branch, I know that I'm done, and I can move to the next one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:11
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     So last year I had this mindmap structured in two halves, and as soon as I was done with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:19
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     the right one with the right side, I knew that the left side was easier because it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:26
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     smaller sections, and that really helped me in the end. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This year, one change that I want to make is I want to write the review in Ulysses, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and of course I also have a backup in Dropbox, but I want to have each section as a Ulysses 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:43
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     sheet and I want to see if by using filters in the app and by... this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:51
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     actually CGP Grey gave me this tip... by using multiple sheets and then by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:57
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     sorting them by modification date I can see which section needs work so that the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:04
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     you know the ones that I modified go to the bottom and the ones that I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:08
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     haven't touched in a while float back to the top so I can see where I need to get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my writing done, which is a different sort of process. Usually I tend to write sequentially, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:20
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     so I go from the introduction to the very end. Maybe this year, because there's no big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:27
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     story like last year with the iPad multitasking, essentially iOS 10 is a bunch of iPhone changes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:35
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     So maybe this year not doing writing sequentially could be possible. There are some themes that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:43
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     need to be developed throughout the review from top to bottom, but some changes, I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:48
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     I can write one section before the other one and there's no problem for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:53
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     So it's gonna be slightly different from last year, and I'm pretty confident that it's gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:58
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     be easier, especially because there's no huge feature like App and multitasking, and a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:04
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     of work that went into the iOS 9 review last year can be used this year, so I don't need 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:09
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     to repeat myself for like split view what it means, you know, that kind of stuff. That's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:13
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     already done. Thank you Apple for not doing any more iPad changes yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:18
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     That's an interesting stance from you now. I say you've changed man, you've changed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:24
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     Well I mean, do I need to be upset? Well I mean, you know, now you have your own 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:28
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     ulterior motives here, right? Because you don't want to have to write so much. The 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:34
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     Federico Vittucci of old would be looking at you now and being like "buddy, no iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:24:38
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     I'm upset, yeah I know. And another... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:42
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     You're a slave to the review, Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:44
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     Yeah, at this point I am. Another point, another point. Last year, if you remember Myke, I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:53
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     don't want to say I wasted time, but I, let's say I invested a few weeks of my review time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:01
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     work on these two stories for the website. One was about Safari View Controller, the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:07
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     other was about Search, Spotlight Search, Proactive, that kind of stuff. And the idea 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:14
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     was there were two important features that could be developed as standalone stories on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:20
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     the site. So I took the time off from the review, I used the research that I had, so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:28
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     notes and my comments for those two individual articles. They went really well, but they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:35
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     took time off from my review time and when the time came that I needed to have those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:41
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     sections again, I spent way too much time trying to adapt those articles back into the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:47
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     review. So I don't think I'm gonna do standalone iOS 10 feature stories this year, so I'm just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:55
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     gonna focus on the review and it's kinda... I feel kinda itchy every time I see someone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:03
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     working on iOS 10 stories now because, you know, I wanna talk about it, I wanna write 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:09
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     about it, but I just gotta keep my eyes set on the prize, which is the final review for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:16
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     the final version. I know that there's some stuff I could talk about now, I could write 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:22
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     about messages, I could write about changes for developers, but I gotta keep in mind that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:29
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     people are expecting my review at the end, and I'm a single person and I wanna do this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:35
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     right, I don't wanna go crazy like last year, I feel like I'm on schedule, actually last 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:41
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     year I started writing by the mid of July, this year it's not even the end of June and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:46
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     I'm already starting. So, you know, you gotta keep focused and just work on the review. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:56
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     It's gonna be a long summer, buddy. I know, I know. But, you know, I mean, in a way, it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:01
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     kinda nice, like the way that I think of this, this was the conversation that would happen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:05
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     on ATP, right? You'd hear those guys on ATP and they'd be talking to John and asking him 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:09
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     how the review's gone. Now John is done and that has moved to us now. So me and, it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:14
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     and Steven's job to keep this dream alive and we ask you questions and then you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go huh and then we'll move on. We are just keeping the ball rolling man, this is the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cycle of life. Yeah and I need to say that Myke and Steven will be helping me throughout 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the summer. I'll be sending you guys screenshots. We get our own jobs to do. Questions. I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you want to do this on the show, you gotta help me out, you know, after the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, it'll be interesting. I really mean this, but I think it's gonna be... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, it's not gonna be easy, it's gonna be slightly easier than last year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I spent so much time doing the sections on iPad multitasking, the speciality of multitasking, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the design, the architecture, it was like half of the review was all about iPad multitasking. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now, I mean, it's not like we haven't got features this year because we got Siri, we've got messages, but I feel like that's more... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, that's more fun, especially messages. It's also easier because there's no huge architectural change or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     behavioral change on the iPad, which was really huge for me. And I get to reuse a lot of what I did last year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, even if you look at Safari, if you look at the Notes app, for example, there's some new stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but just it's an incremental upgrade in many many areas of the OS. So we'll see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah I mean I guess you've done a lot of the groundwork because Apple did the groundwork last year on those. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah I mean San Francisco, the font, oh my gosh. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You don't need to waste time on that stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The section killed me last year. So yeah we'll see. Right now I would say I'm 70% optimistic about my status right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     >> Another thing, I mentioned how we're taking the mantle from ATP for this review thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Next up in that idea is next up on follow up 30 minutes into the show. Many weeks ago, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     many, many weeks ago, I gave a kind of a review of the Canary home security system that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bought. And at that time, the thing that I felt the Canary was missing and that I was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     trying to solve with a third-party application was the ability to set the Canary automatically 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at night and unset in the morning without me needing to do anything about that. Now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Canary has made an update to their device, the firmware and also their app, the software 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to change their modes and now they have, it used to be like privacy, armed and unarmed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it was basically what it was. But now we have away, home and night. So away 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it sets, you know, it does that automatically when you leave. At home that means it's in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     privacy mode so there's no video being recorded right now because I'm at home. But now we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have night mode which is so happy exists. Basically what happens now is you can set 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the canary application for the home security camera, that's what it is, to turn on the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at night at a time use that you set so that like so you could say oh we have it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to at 2 a.m. the canary goes into armed mode so it's recording any activity so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if there's any movement it will pick it up and then at 7 a.m. it will um it will 
     
     
  
 
 
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     unarmed again so it won't be picked up by anybody moving around the house so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm really happy about this it's actually made it even better for me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because now it's doing exactly what I wanted because there was some weird kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of weird bugs and edge cases I was running into by using a third party 
     
     
  
 
 
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     system to kind of hack the settings in a way like to it was like if me and Adina 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were both not at home, let's say we were on holiday, it would still set an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     onset because the app was kind of overriding the canaries understanding of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who's at home because it was like I was telling it to unset so if we were both 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on holiday, we're on holiday together, at 7am in the morning it would just go into private 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mode so it wouldn't be picking up anyone coming home because I was kind of not really doing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what I was supposed to be doing a bit. But now that doesn't happen because it always 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pays attention to who's at home before it makes any changes. So like if we're both not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at home now it will still remain set even though we've asked it to unset in the morning. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm really happy about this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's made it an even better product for me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because as time was going on, I was getting more and more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     concerned about the fact that I had to pay attention 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to doing this and turning off the programming 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I had set up every time we went away. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So now it doesn't do this, and the Canary's even better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I want to just thoroughly recommend this product again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We've been living with it for, I don't know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's probably six months or something now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I absolutely love it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It gives me the peace of mind. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is not a sponsor. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Canary have never been a sponsor. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it gives me the peace of mind that I wanted. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can check in when I was away, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when I was in San Francisco, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was able to check in at any time that I wanted to. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think you probably saw me doing this. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - So like if anything was moving in the house 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or one thing that I really loved is I would know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when Adina came home and I knew when she went to work, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which I just like to know that, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's just the way that we are, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we like to know that information. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, I really love it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it's continued to be a worthwhile purchase for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I recommend it to anybody that wants a home security system. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The Canary, I'm pretty sure it's getting home kit support with iOS 10, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have no idea about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it was on a slide at the keynote. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Because iOS 10 is adding cameras as home kit devices. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, I'm assuming then there would be new hardware that might work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it would be a firmware update. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Interesting. Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want to confirm that because if that's the case, I think I'm gonna get one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Man, if that is the case, I will be very happy because I really love the Canary and that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was something that I was concerned about because I figured I would have to buy something new 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because, like, it wouldn't work for me anymore, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Oh, there's a blog post. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a blog post. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:38
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     There we go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a blog post. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:40
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     There we go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:41
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     HomeKit support is what's coming. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:43
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     And it looks like that they're gonna be changing something called Canary Plus. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     next generation product, Canary Plus. So it's a new camera? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There you go, it's a new product. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But my hope will be that I will, because you can link Canaries together, so you can have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     multiple ones in the house. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So when we move, which we will probably have moved hopefully by the time this one comes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out, I mean I was probably going to get a second Canary anyway to put in our new home. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that will be good because then I could have the HomeKit one, link to the other one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I figured it would have to be a new device and I'm not upset about this from Canary's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     perspective because I think you need to have specific chips in them, don't you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's like an Apple chip that goes in HomeKit devices. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Am I remembering that correctly? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, I think you're right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, there's some sort of authentication that they use. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's hardware based. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I figured that this would happen to me if I wanted to have something HomeKit, but I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just didn't think it was ever going to happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm pleased to hear that because I will definitely get a new Canary or an updated 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Canary. So that's good for me. Alright. Alright, let's take another break before we finish 
     
     
  
 
 
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     follow up. This week's episode is also brought to you by Ministry of Supply. Human sweat. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's actually warm in this room right now and I'm sweating. This is just a thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people do and it's really inconvenient when you are sweating, you're a big sweaty mess 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on the way to work in the morning because then you've got to deal with that for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rest of the day. This used to happen to me every day. I know so many people that go through 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Especially if you go to work on any kind of public transport system when it gets warm, it is uncomfortable. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And our work clothes, they don't help with this. They're not designed to help with this, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're just meant to be shirts and suits and tires and things like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is stuff that you're wearing all day every day and it's not made to be comfortable or stretchy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For example, they have something called the Apollo dress shirt 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is something it has NASA invented fibers that regulate body temperature based on your surroundings 
     
     
  
 
 
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     NASA made these fibers and their ministry supply were like we're gonna make a dress shirt out of those so it's all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thank you so much to Ministry of Supply for their support of Connected and Relay FM. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, so Stephen, there was some bad news for you this week, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:55
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     I'm so sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:56
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     yeah sometimes things happen and things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:58
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     that I own become like now I know this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:02
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     ►  
     thunderbolt display will be a thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:04
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     you know isn't around forever. I have it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:07
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     right here. It used to be at home and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:09
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     ►  
     moved it to the office for many reasons 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:11
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     so I'm just I'm just gently touching it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:14
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     ►  
     sadly because he's gone. He's gone now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:17
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     So I don't know if there's a say right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:20
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     ►  
     Thunderbolt display is five years old 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:22
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     Apple had a little press thing like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:24
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     the very end of the week saying we're no longer selling it. There are lots of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:31
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     ►  
     third-party alternatives. Super strange thing to say. I mean so I think I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:38
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     ►  
     you guys talked about this on upgrade but I buy into the theory that there is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:43
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     a new one coming and that their timing got messed up and so the plan to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:49
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     discontinue these was already in the works and they couldn't do anything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:53
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     about that. Like if you stopped ordering the parts or you're out of parts you can't build 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     ►  
     Why do you own one of these? Like this is something that I couldn't really understand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:02
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     ►  
     because it feels overpriced anyway like the thing is it's always been a thousand dollars 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:07
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     and it's really expensive. I don't really know like I was kind of laughing on upgrade 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the idea of somebody owning one of these anyway and then Jason reminded me that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do and I don't know why you do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And my Twitter followers know that I recently damaged it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:22
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     Yeah, what did you do? You dropped it, didn't you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:24
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     I dropped it. So there's like a chunk of... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:26
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     There's like a chunk of little aluminum missing and it messed up the glass. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:30
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     You escaped nicely from that one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:32
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     I did. Because this glass is not like safety glass. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:36
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     So if you drop the front of an iMac, which I have done, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:40
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     it turns into some like really sharp pieces of glass you could like cut people with. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I'll find a picture of it. I'm gonna dig this picture up for the show notes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:49
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     dropped a cover glass like my last week 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:52
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     ►  
     is a genius and it was terrible I had to fill out a lot of paperwork. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:55
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     Anyways so it's discontinued. I hope 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ►  
     there's a new one coming. The reason I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     own it and the reason that I'm interested 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in a new one is that it it really serves 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as a as a docking station that you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     leave all of your stuff plugged into the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     display and then if you're like me with a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:14
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     MacBook Pro I can just like pick it up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and unplug a couple of things and be like free of my setup. You know I think if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're running a Mac mini or Mac Pro maybe you have it because it like your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:28
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     IT department bought it for you. In fact there's a talk on Twitter about who buys these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:31
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     things like we just spent time in Dropbox and Facebook. Like Dropbox has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:37
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     bajillions of these things like everywhere you look in Dropbox is it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's a thunderbolt display. Clearly people like that it's it's branded and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know it's nice and neat but I like it as a notebook user that I can just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     walk away with like a minimal fiddliness. It is expensive there's no way around 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:57
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     that and there's no way around the fact that Apple never updated like since 2011 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:05
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     they haven't done a single thing there been like two firmware updates to it but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:09
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     even mine I think I wrote in my little blog post of like the saddest thing in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:13
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     the Apple ecosystem is using a $9 MagSafe 2 adapter on your $1,000 display. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess it's the saddest thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it's gone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I hope there's a new one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:24
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     I think it's a market they should be in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Clearly there's good money to be had, you know, with good margins. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Clearly they want, you know, I think they like that people use them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think that there are a lot of people who really want them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They are nice displays. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     though this isn't Retina, it's still a great display. So I hope a new one's coming, I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:49
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     sure that I will need a new MacBook Pro to drive it, and I'm ready for my new Retina 
     
     
  
 
 
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     overlords to come visit. Maybe I'm being mean on you. A little bit. I am being mean on you, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:00
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     I'm gonna be a bit more mean on you. Do you know what is a really good docking station? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:04
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     Just a docking station. Right, cause you spent a thousand dollars on a screen, which is also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:11
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     docking station you could probably spend like $600 on a good screen in a good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:15
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     docking station like a Thunderbolt docking station. Yeah, so I actually have, it's actually in a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cabinet in this office, I have a Thunderbolt like breakout box, whatever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:24
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     the one Jason has like the Belkin Thunderbolt dock and it was great I used 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:29
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     it for a really long time and mine actually started getting um getting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:34
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     flaky so I kind of used that as an excuse to do this but absolutely I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:39
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     can buy a nice like you can go buy a Dell 4k display and a thunderbolt dock 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:44
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     and it's actually probably better than the thunderbolt display but there are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:49
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     people who want it all in one and so we'll see I'm interested to see what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:54
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     they do if we if we get new macbook pros and we get new Mac pros and there's not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:59
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     a right display then I will look at what third-party you know retina level 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:04
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     displays can I purchase and then go back to a setup like that at least at home 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:08
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     and leave the Thunderbolt display here in the office. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:11
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     But we'll see. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:13
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     I think it could go either way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:14
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     Again, I hope Apple is making something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:16
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     I think they are. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:17
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     I'd be surprised if they bail on the display business, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:22
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     but you never know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:26
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     -Well, we'll watch with bated breath 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the screens that we can plug our iPads into, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:32
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     Isn't that what we're doing? Isn't that it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:34
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     No. -So, let me -- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:35
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     Actually, that's a really interesting question. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:37
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     if I mean if there were a solution to use an iPad with an external display 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:44
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     with the two of you look at that for me it makes no sense right because the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:49
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     iPads a touch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:51
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     yes I don't think I don't I don't think it makes any sense right now I wouldn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:57
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     say never because who knows like where this is going to go but like there are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:02
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     are so many parts of that that don't make sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:07
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     But I'm not going to say never on that one, to be honest. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:11
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     Because let's imagine in five years time, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:13
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     the iPad is as powerful as I hope it will be. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:16
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     And I want to sit down at a desk, do podcast editing on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:21
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     And I want to use iOS, but it would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:24
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     be nice to use an external Apple Pencil, an external trackpad 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:27
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     to do editing and a logic on the iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:31
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     It doesn't seem like an impossible world to me, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:33
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     like the same way that people plug their laptops 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:35
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     into these setups. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:37
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     But I just think right now with the tools 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:39
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     and everything that we have right now with iOS working 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:42
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     as it does right now, it doesn't make any sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:43
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     But I won't fall that out forever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:45
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     Federico, do you agree with that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:47
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     - I really don't know if I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:52
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     or need to connect my iPad to another display. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:56
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     I feel like a lot of the reason why I love iOS is that I can touch it all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:04
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     And I'm not sure... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:06
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     I have an Apple TV, I never used AirPlay for anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:11
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     I just feel like if you're a desktop person it makes sense to have external monitors. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:16
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     If you're an iOS person you just get used to the way that it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:21
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     I don't find myself wishing for it or craving any kind of display in any way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:29
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     Yeah, but do you think it, like... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:33
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     Would you say right now that you would never do that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:37
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     Never say never for anything, Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:39
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     Exactly, yeah, exactly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:40
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     That's how I feel. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:41
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     It's like, it seems crazy, but I have two iPads, so... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:46
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     On a scale of priorities and wishes there's other things I wish for than a display for 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:44:53
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     That's what I'm saying. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:44:55
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     Yeah, I mean, I think the only way it would make sense is if the external display is also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:01
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     like touch sensitive. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:02
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     So you could have your iPad plugged in and put an app up on it and use it, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:08
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     in a touch environment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:09
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     I don't know, I mean, I think inherently they're just so different that it's not really a thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:14
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     It's something that, you know, people sometimes say, "Oh, I'd love to have more displays." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:17
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     It's like something to consider. But, you know, overall, like, the Mac hardware—on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:24
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     the hardware side, at least—is in this just, like, really funky spot of there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:28
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     not a lot of good news going on in the Mac hardware scene. It seems like we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:35
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     always just right around the corner for something new and magical. And maybe we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:39
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     are I hope we are but if you were to go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:44
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     buy a Mac today the only one I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:45
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     really ever consider is the iMac I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:47
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     everything else is is due for an update 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:51
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     and the rumors peg it with such large 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:54
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     updates that unless you just really need 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:45:57
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     I wouldn't go buy a MacBook Pro right now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:59
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     ►  
     yeah but uh I guess we'll see I guess 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:03
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     it's like the you know the year that we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:05
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     had no devices anywhere until the fall. That's what it feels like to be a Mac user right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:12
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     ►  
     now, always on the treadmill of old computers. Federico, you mentioned betas and I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:19
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     ►  
     just touch base with you, I guess, that's a phrase I'm using now, about what you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:25
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     ►  
     feeling about the betas right now because you mentioned that you'd put iOS on your phone, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:32
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     I don't know a lot of people that have done that and you are watching, you watch OS3 as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:37
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     ►  
     well, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:46:39
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     ►  
     So, okay, just flat out, up front, we are not advocating that you do this. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:46:45
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     Don't do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:46
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     ►  
     The connector podcast is not liable for any issues that you have. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:46:50
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     The things you gotta say. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:52
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     ►  
     Don't do it, file radar, what else? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:54
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     Yeah, I think that's it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:46:57
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     Bounce to dinos. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:58
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     Apple people care. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:59
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     ►  
     All of the things you gotta say. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:01
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     That's sad. That's sad, Myke. I would say there's been worse betas in the past. It feels 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:17
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     ►  
     like it's the most stable beta one. Not the most stable beta, the most stable beta one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:23
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     ►  
     I tried on my phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:26
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     ►  
     I do get the maybe a couple of times a day of home screen crash. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:33
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     ►  
     You know when you get the spinner. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:35
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     ►  
     Now when I use 10 you don't get the Apple logo, you get the spinner for a home screen 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:47:40
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     ►  
     It's a big change. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:42
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     ►  
     I get that a couple of times a day but it takes 5 seconds to restart the home screen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:47
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     ►  
     and all of my apps work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:49
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     ►  
     I haven't seen any major showstopper kind of bug, I can get work done on my phone, it's 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:47:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     There's just some annoyances, such as the home screen crashing thing, and the fact that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:03
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     ►  
     if you have a lot of betas from TestFlight, app betas from TestFlight, the App Store, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:09
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     the update section goes crazy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Now I basically don't know which updates are for TestFlight apps and which updates are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:18
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     for apps that are not as bright on my device. It's mentioned in the release notes so I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:24
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     okay with that. It's probably going to get fixed in beta 2. And overall it's a very stable 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:29
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     beta and it's supposed to be a lot better based on what I heard last week. It's supposed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:34
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     to be a lot better even in beta 2. So I want to say solid job on the first beta of iOS 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:48:40
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I wanted to ask you about the multilingual keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:48:44
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Because I can't imagine that there are really that many people that talk or write about this stuff that need... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:50
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     That's the English perspective, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:52
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:52
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     ►  
     No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:22
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     ►  
     I get that, I get what you mean, I get what you mean. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:24
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     ►  
     It's amazing. It's seriously one of the best changes to your standing ears. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:30
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     ►  
     So if you happen to be one of those people who constantly needs to type into, what do you call it, Latin-based languages, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:43
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     so you know the QWERTY keyboard, such as in my case English and Italian, you can now... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So it used to be you needed to switch between the English keyboard and the Italian keyboard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:55
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     before iOS 10. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:57
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     ►  
     Because otherwise you wouldn't be able to type for example in Italian using the English 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:00
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     ►  
     keyboard because our correct would go crazy and it just, you know, it was the English 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:05
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     ►  
     keyboard for English words. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:07
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So you needed to switch all the time and the keyboard switcher was slow, only iMessage 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:14
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     could remember different keyboards for each conversation, but the whole system was kinda 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:50:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     In iOS 10 you can install the keyboards from the settings, as usual, but then you don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:28
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     ►  
     have to switch anymore, because let's say that I'm talking to Myke and I'm using the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:32
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     ►  
     English keyboard, then I switch conversation, I'm talking to my mom and I need to type in 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:50:37
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     ►  
     I don't need to switch to the Italian keyboard anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:40
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     ►  
     I can just keep writing in Italian 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:43
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     ►  
     from the English keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:44
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     ►  
     And as soon as the iOS keyboard picks it up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:47
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     ►  
     that I'm typing in Italian, it gives me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:49
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     ►  
     autocorrect suggestions in Italian, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:51
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     ►  
     and it also suggests emoji in Italian. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:54
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So it's not just words. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:56
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     ►  
     It's also emoji, and it's amazing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:58
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     ►  
     And I've been testing this for the past week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:02
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     ►  
     - And I'm happy to say-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:03
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     - I'm happy to say that it's beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:05
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     to be as a final radar. But no, it really does work. It's seriously one of the changes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that is going to make me save a lot of time every day. Because those few seconds that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you switch within keyboards, they do add up over time. Like, it takes a couple of seconds 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every time. Imagine that, like, 20 seconds per day at least, maybe even 30 seconds per 
     
     
  
 
 
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     day for, I don't know how many days, for how many years, and it's a lot of time. And it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not just time, it's a lot of muscle memory kind of annoyance, you know, to do this all 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's annoying, it's tedious, and now it works from a single keyboard, and I'm so surprised 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that Apple is doing this, because I thought I was generally the only person complaining 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about this, but I do have to mention a lot of... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't remember the names, and I'm sorry, there's only one Spanish website that comes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of mine, it's called Apple Sphera, I think. But there's a lot of international Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     blogs that brought up this complaint over the years. So it does feel like a small victory 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for us, especially us Europeans. I know I got quite a few colleagues in Brazil, for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     example, and I know that those people brought up this problem many, many times in the past. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it does feel like it's a small victory for us, and it's very impressive. Now, the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The thing is, it doesn't work for languages that use different keyboards. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And by different keyboards I mean you cannot do English and Chinese, or English and Russian 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Cyrillic alphabet at the same time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it only applies to Latin-based keyboards and languages. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But in my experience it works really well, and it's an amazing change. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, really happy about this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How are you feeling about WatchOS 3? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm very interested in speed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Host of MacPow users, David Sparks, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wrote a really nice little post about this a few days ago, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause David, I think, installed it in San Francisco, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause that's, he's a crazy person. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - But he does. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - But I'm interested in if you've noticed any speed changes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and if they're applying to third-party applications 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you're already using 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that haven't obviously been updated. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So it is faster. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not as amazing as what Apple showed at the keynote. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, because that's Watch 2, but that's another story. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or developers need to work to get there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know if just-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, but are you finding the speed being 
     
     
  
 
 
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     instant on Apple apps? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, also Apple apps, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I mean, even if you launch the Home app, for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it takes a solid four seconds for it to update and to give me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the status of my lights. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's not as immediate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the Home app is pinned to my dock, whatever the name is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's still not there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's faster, way way better, at least in terms of... I mean, I love the dock idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like it needs to be a little more intuitive to be able to swipe between apps, because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like I need to time or at least to control my swipe so that I don't jump over 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the next app. But that'll get better with the betas. I do like the idea a lot, and I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sure that developers, as soon as they update with WatchOS 3 support, it'll be even faster. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The general idea is I think watchOS 3 will make me love the Apple Watch, eventually. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do feel like I've been down on the Apple Watch because of the two problems. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One was the performance and the second one was the software just had too many places 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where it didn't make sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The friends interface, the going back and forth with the Honeycomb. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like the changes coming with watchOS 3, the dock, the speed improvements, how you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can move between watch faces, I feel like I'll be... this is like the watchOS that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wanted to have from the beginning. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I feel like as soon as I have watchOS 3 and the watch 2, I'm probably gonna be a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     watch person like all the way in the Apple Watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I saw you, Myke, using the Apple Watch, you use your Apple Watch all the time, I saw 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you how much you depend on notifications, and I wanna be like you, and I feel like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm honest here, I feel like watch rest 3 and watch 2, that'll do the job for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I am one of four. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am someone who uses the watch a lot and enjoys their Apple Watch a lot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and Jason spoke on Upgrade a few weeks ago in defense of the Apple Watch, I feel like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     against people that are... There's been a lot of complaints about it, basically, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a lot of people saying that they've stopped using it, Steven being one of them, people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     giving up on it. But as the episode was called "Happy Apple Watch Users", I am one, and I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     looking forward to being even more happy about using the Apple Watch when it becomes even 
     
     
  
 
 
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     more useful with watchOS 3. So it's good to hear that it's getting better and you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know I make like dumb jokes but like I really do believe that the speed that they showed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on stage is probably most likely achieved by another watch which is you know it's still 
     
     
  
 
 
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     correct what they're showing watchOS 3 will be faster but any amount of faster is better 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than what we currently have. So I'm looking forward to trying it out for myself and of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Of course it's probably worth mentioning, it probably isn't as fast in beta 1 as it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will be by the time it's released anyway, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There is a strong chance that they will continue to tweak as it goes along through the beta 
     
     
  
 
 
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     period to make it even faster and more responsive so I'm very interested to see what that ends 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up looking like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now one of the biggest features, and I know it's one that I'm excited about for iOS 10 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I know that it's met with different feelings by many different people is messages and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have played around with messages with Federico on iOS and we should talk about that but before 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I put iOS 10 on my iPad Air 2 which is a device that has kind of just been sitting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     waiting for me to turn into something. I plan to again when I move into my own home to mount 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that iPad in the kitchen somewhere. That is a plan that I have because I think it would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be really nice to have a dedicated device for recipes and stuff. But until then it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just been sitting there waiting for, you know, to be put to use and it has been put to use 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as my iOS 10 device. And the only real thing that I've played around with because it seems 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be the only real thing that I can do right now with it is to send crazy messages to Federico 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, pretty much. And we have been. It is incredibly buggy, which is expectable, expected 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think at this point. There are little UI bugs all over the place, but it does work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I do really enjoy it. So we're talking about the effects that you can do to make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the messages kind of explode. Federico sent me one message which was basically playing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like lasers and strobe lights with a little sound. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And even though my iPad was in mute, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the sound kept playing every time I opened my message 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to that, which is awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - So like every time I opened my iPad, a rave would begin. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And there was nothing I could do about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So these are the kinds of bugs, but it is fun, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I love the handwriting stuff that you can do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can draw little handwritten messages, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which I will probably send all of my messages that way now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with my Apple pencil, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just draw a little handwritten one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The stickers are really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so they have the classic Mac stickers there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Something that I don't recall seeing in the keynote 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is there's GIFs, there's a GIF app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just built into messages. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you can search for GIFs and it will give you GIFs 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it has popular GIFs and that all works really well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm happy to see that because that's much easier 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than opening an app to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And digital touches there, and that's kind of cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like that you can take photos 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and draw on the digital touches. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can send a heartbeat, which I'm not 100% sure 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is real in any way, 'cause I don't know where my iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is getting my heartbeat from. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think it's really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it makes messages feel young and alive again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I showed some of this stuff to Adina, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and she said, "It looks like Facebook Messenger." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think that's the point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that's what they're attempting to do here, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was to make Facebook Messenger, like an app like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That is what they wanted to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I am very excited about some of the things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I might be able to do with this down the line. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All of the sticker packs, I'm looking forward to those. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also some of the apps that people might be making, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like the little game apps or being a way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to send people money in messages and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm excited about this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And now Federico, I don't know if you've tested it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with anyone other than me, but what are your feelings? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you kind of agree with me? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think Messages is the blockbuster announcement. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It is. - Of WWDC. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you don't, Lisa, I was spending time with developers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at the conference and I don't wanna say 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that no one was excited because I have been talking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to developers who are coming up with some great ideas 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:14
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     and I think it's gonna be super fun for two reasons. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One, to see what developers come up with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and two, to see what App Review rejects this fall. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:21
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     But we'll talk about this in the future. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I didn't get the idea that the WWDC crowd was the right one for this kind of announcement. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think messages will be super popular. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:33
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     And I think it's obviously inspired by Facebook Messenger in terms of the big emoji, the GIFs, and the App Platform, the whole idea of a messages app store. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's also inspired by what others have been doing, if you look at WeChat or Line, for example. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it makes messages super fresh. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:54
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     It's gonna be fun to personalize conversations in a bunch of different ways, thanks to apps, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stickers and that kind of stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:03
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     There will be a lot of money flowing in the iMessage App Store, especially because it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:08
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     super easy for developers to come up with a sticker pack. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:11
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     I wanna see how Apple will tackle the possible copyright infringement problems, just because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's so easy to come up with the sticker pack. I mean, it's just a bunch of images, you drop 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them in a folder, you run Xcode and you got yourself a sticker pack to sell on the App Store. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with it on a case-by-case basis. It's like, there's nothing you can do. Like, if you catch it in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     review, stop it. If it goes out and then you wait for somebody to complain and then you pull it down, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like, I feel like you either do this or you don't do it. If you do it, this is definitely going to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to happen, so you just need to accept that. I think that's kind of the process that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go through in coming up with this decision the way that they have. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I feel like even if you set aside the fun aspect of stickers and little gaming apps, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     even from a productivity perspective, I feel like we're going to see utilities on the iMessage 
     
     
  
 
 
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     apps or stuff for sharing documents or calendar events or images, media, files. I feel like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's really up to the developers imagination at this point and it's going to be this fun 
     
     
  
 
 
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     place kind of like Facebook messengers. But even for stuff like if you look at what developers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were doing with keyboards in terms of utilities and productivity, imagine that in a much better 
     
     
  
 
 
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     native way in iMessage. I don't feel like it's going to move people away from Slack, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of course, but for one-on-one conversations or even smaller groups of people that don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want to sign up for Slack, I feel like it's going to be possible to save time when sharing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff on iMessage that isn't necessarily, you know, King Kardashian stickers or big 
     
     
  
 
 
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     emoji. I'm really curious, and I'm getting already a few emails from developers who are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     making non-fun, because they're more of utility-based apps for iMessage. I think it's going to be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really interesting to see what they come up with. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I wonder how these apps just being on iOS will affect that, where a lot of people still 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want their productivity stuff on the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And we spoke a little bit about it last week, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     these apps are not coming to the Mac to a degree. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Some of it you'll see in like read only, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's even I think dependent on exactly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And a big reason-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I think that's so sad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's disappointing, but a big reason that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I actually had thought about but then it didn't come 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out of my mouth was the fact that these are going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be UI kit apps written for iOS, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and of course, if you're on a Mac, it's not very helpful, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause there's still not a great way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to have the same code base on both platforms. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And maybe that's another reason that they're not there, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I really want to see Messages be a platform 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you can use on either type of device. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think even extending it to the web at some point, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like Facebook Messenger is sort of web first 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they have mobile clients, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like why couldn't I sign into iCloud.com 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and do like really nice messaging on the web 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if I'm at a PC, so I think-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Could it, I know this is like gonna make people's skin crawl 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but could there have been or could there be a way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to make a messages app which is actually just a web view 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which could allow for some of this stuff? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Would it work on the web? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like would you be able to do this stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iOS and the web where you can't do it on iOS and the Mac? I mean they would need 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to have a technology story there for developers to use but there's nothing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     holding them back from doing that. There's nothing holding them back from saying hey if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you want to do it on the Mac this is how you do it or making it really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     easy to take an iOS application and port it to the Mac you know in this in this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     regard so again I think we're probably not the best three to talk to that talk 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to that sort of thing but I know as a user it's going to be disappointing to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like or even frustrating if I'm working on my Mac all day and like needing to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pick up my phone or my iPad to like interact in a way that is meaningful with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with somebody else so maybe it'll come you know maybe it's like we said last 
     
     
  
 
 
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     week where they have a plan for this and it just didn't get done but I sure hope 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that something's going on there because having messages like fractured to have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like you have these features over here 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but if you're on the Mac you don't. Like look at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     photos right? Photos on iOS and photos on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Mac are more or less like lock and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     step right? So they added memories to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one the other one got memories and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the face engine got redone, the face engine 
     
     
  
 
 
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     got redone on iOS as well. So they can do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it to a degree like that is part of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     their strategy for some reason messages 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just isn't there yet and I really think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that if messages going to be a real 
     
     
  
 
 
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     contender that whatever apps or like stuff that you use within it you have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     available no matter where you're sitting and hopefully they get there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The idea about the contender I don't agree with. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well I think a good messaging platform is ubiquitous. One reason 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:35
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     Slack is so damn good is that I can use it on any device and it's the same 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everywhere. I don't have to think about oh I'm on my iPad so I can't do this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:44
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     thing in Slack. Well it works the same everywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, I would ask that you look at WhatsApp, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, the idea of how good the platform is to use 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is a different argument to if it will be a success. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And I think, like, it depends what you mean by contender. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm being facetious, but like, I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just trying to understand it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, when you say contender, do you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mean as a well-rounded good application 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or as a contender to Facebook Messenger WhatsApp Telegram? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because whilst some of those apps have varying support on different devices, I think as long 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as you're on iPhones, Apple is going to be totally fine and they're going to probably 
     
     
  
 
 
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     eat up even more of the message market than they currently have. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And not having full support for apps on the Mac is not going to hold them back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, clearly that's what Apple is thinking about at this point, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:37
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     They have WhatsApp in their sites. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's no doubt about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But as someone who like that's, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and maybe this is the problem, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just don't want what they want. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I think it is gonna be frustrating for users 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:49
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     and like that's always, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like if Apple's gonna go after WhatsApp, for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:54
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     I think that's fine, like it's great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like they should, as a platform vendor, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:58
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     there should be a really good first party messaging solution 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:01
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     but the iPhone's not Apple's only platform. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's, that's where my frustration comes in a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:08
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     And I'm sure that if they see great success in mobile, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then it's gonna take off and they can put more resources 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into it and it'll become a bigger part of their company 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:19
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     and then I think the Mac will benefit from it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:21
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     But at this stage at least, I think there's just going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be this weird dichotomy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:29
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     'Cause they brought it halfway there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:31
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     - It is so weird, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:32
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     Because what you just said I totally agree with. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:35
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     They'll see if it takes off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:36
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     they surely already know this. They know how many people use messages right now and that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:42
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     got to be enough. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:43
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     Well they said it's the most used application on the iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:46
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     So if nobody's using it on the Mac or they've just decided that this is something they don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:51
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     think is important, right? Because they obviously also know how many people use it on the Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:57
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     and maybe that difference is massive. I doubt that but it's just such a weird thing. I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:03
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     maybe there isn't an easy way to make it work so maybe that what they did need to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:08
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     do was to build some kind of like pseudo UI kit that only works with the messages 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:12
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     app store if that's what I wanted to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:14
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     Well they have that in photos they have UX kit but what I think the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:18
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     reason is so strange is that whatsapp is just a mobile application like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:24
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     whatsapp and Facebook messages are just iPhone apps. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:27
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     Well messages... They have web apps now but yes the point is correct they are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:31
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     effectively just mobile applications. Right. Messages started life really as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:37
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     iChat like at least from the Mac user perspective messages got bolted on to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:42
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     something else that was already there and then to break that and like diverge 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:45
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     down a different path. I understand why they're doing it, I'm not arguing why they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:49
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     doing it. It's just like a point of contention I feel that it's like there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this weird stress between where Apple wants to go and where they are today. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - And how do you get there? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:59
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     - It's like the Mac app is kind of like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:01
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     hanging onto the ankles, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:03
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     It's like dragging messages back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is weird, it's weird, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:08
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     'cause it's weird that you have any support, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:11
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     You put some in, but it's not really good enough. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:13
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     - But that support is really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:15
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     why I moved everything to iMessage. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Before, SMS was useful, but if you were at work all day, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:22
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     and a lot of people, we're lucky, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:24
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     a lot of people can't use their phones at work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:26
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     but we're like, there are rules against it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:28
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     active rules against it if you're sitting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:29
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     at a desk somewhere, someplace secure. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:31
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     But if it's on the Mac, maybe it's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:34
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     And so for me, I think one reason I have used iMessages 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:37
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     and don't sign into AIM anymore 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:39
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     is because it's just at the computer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:41
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     And when I pick up my iPhone or tablet, it's there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:43
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     And that's just gonna be a strange experience. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:46
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     And maybe it's not as big of a deal as I think it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:49
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     Like this part of my thought process says, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:52
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     it's really cool that all these apps are there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:54
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     and we're gonna play with them for a while 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:55
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     And then we're just all going to use stickers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:57
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     And like, we're not going to be doing productivity, we're not going to be building virtual ice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:01
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     cream cones together, even though I want to do that with the two of you guys very badly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:05
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     We can do it in real life if we want to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:07
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     Yeah, a lot. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:08
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     I just want to posit one productivity thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:12
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     An app that can schedule calendar events? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:14
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     That'd be awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     I'm thinking, see, I'm thinking about that stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:20
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     events, sharing tasks on something like Trello for example, or sharing files. I'm pretty 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:29
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     sure developers will come up with all kinds of crazy ideas, which is why I mentioned we'll 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:33
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     have to see if App Review likes what is going to happen or if it will be like a repeat of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:39
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     what happened with widgets and custom keyboards a couple of years ago. We'll see, I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:44
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     know. It's going to be fun. Hopefully Apple learned from their own mistakes and it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:49
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     are going to happen again, we'll see. We'll discover the truth in three months. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:56
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     Truth is out there. Truth is in the cloud. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:58
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     You just gotta keep waiting for the betas. File those radars, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:02
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     Yeah, always file the radars. Always file the radars. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:05
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     It really does matter to people at Apple and all the teams. They worked really hard on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:10
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     this, so file a radar. If you want to find our show notes for this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     week's episode, head on over to relay.fm/connecty/97. Oh my word, 97. Are we prepared at all for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     episode 100? Don't think so. Nope. If you have any ideas, let us know. If you want to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     find Federico online, he is @vitiici on Twitter, and he writes over at maxstories.net and is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the host of Canvas and Remaster as well on relay.fm. Two great shows that you should 
     
     
  
 
 
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     check out. Stephen is @ismh on Twitter and he is at 512pixels.net and also the host of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Lift Off and Ungeniusd as well. You should check those shows out, they're a lot of fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E. I host too many shows to mention but they are also on Relay.fm as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well. You should, you know, go check them out. They're lots of good shows on Relay.fm. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thanks again to our sponsors this week, the great people over at Braintree, willing.com 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and Ministry of Supply. But most of all, thank you for listening. We'll be back next time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Until then, say goodbye, gentlemen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Arrivederci.