97: 70% Optimistic
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- From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 97.
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Today's show is brought to you very kindly
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by Ministry of Supply, willing.com, and Braintree.
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My name is Myke Hurley.
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I am joined by Mr. Steven Hackett.
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Hello, Steven Hackett.
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- Hello, Michael Hurley.
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- And Hark, what is that in the distance?
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It is a returning Federico Vittucci.
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Hello, Federico.
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- Hey, guys.
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- So happy to have you back.
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I missed you guys last week.
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Are you recovered?
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Not fully, but I'll get there.
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You know, I was thinking there was some kind of irony in the fact that I caught some kind of bug at a developers conference.
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Oh, feathery. Have you been working on that all week?
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No, I just thought about it like a minute ago.
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It's like on Monday of last week. I have a great idea.
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No, I get better eventually I think. I just want to get back to work.
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But I miss you guys and you did a good job last week. So it's good to be back. Yeah.
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I know something that will have helped your...
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While you've been sick you've had something to do.
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You've had the ability to play with the iPad 9.7.
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Not much actually.
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Not much. I mean I did... I'm using it. It's just...
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Last week I basically didn't touch my devices for like three days.
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I was just in bed and I didn't want to see Twitter, I didn't want to see Slack.
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So I've been using it for really just the past couple of days actually.
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Do I have to say that you were right again?
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I mean, you don't have to say it, but I think it would be the right thing to do.
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You think it will.
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Okay, so you were right.
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You want to say it like in full?
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#mikewasright.
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Is that what you want to hear?
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Yes, that's what I want to hear.
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So, I'm not going to hear the end of this, I know.
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Anyway, you were right when you said that I needed a second device to, you know, especially
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during the summer for the iOS 10 beta.
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So, this is what I'm doing.
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I put the iOS 10 beta 1 on the smaller iPad Pro and I'm keeping iOS 9, at least for the next few betas, until beta 3 or 4.
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I'm keeping iOS 9 on the big iPad Pro, which is where I get my writing done, because I just want to have a stable environment.
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So the iPad Pro, the small one, two points that immediately caught my attention.
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intention, the true tone display you really don't get it until you use it for a few hours.
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And it's so... like the best way that I can describe it is it's like night shift for the
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day. And by that I mean it makes your... the looking experience, the looking at the screen,
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the entire experience, it makes it better, more comfortable. And when you switch back
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even to the iPhone, not just to the big iPad Pro, but even to another non-true tone display
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device, it looks worse. It looks blue and it looks like, I don't know, it just looks
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less comfortable than the true tone display. So definitely one of the technologies that
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I would like to see coming to every Apple device.
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Yep. It is like Retina in that way. Like I want it on all of my devices now.
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And the second aspect I would say is after the big iPad Pro you kind of forget how light
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and comfortable and just manageable it is, the 9.7 iPad.
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Another point on the other hand that I really remain convinced of is I don't want to get
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my writing done on the small iPad Pro. Because the multitasking experience, the split view,
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there's really no contest between the big iPad Pro and this one. I mean, it's perfect
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for Twitter, reading, catching up on Slack.
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I find it as like a convenience as opposed to a way to do serious work. And that's where
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I see the two iPads as being different a lot of the time.
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Yeah. And I mean, I could get my writing done. It's just, I know what split view, what the
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assistant keyboard can be on the Big iPad Pro and I don't want to switch back.
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And I was thinking about this even when we were in San Francisco, about the fact that
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a lot of people, including me and you, we used to have desktop computer and the portable
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computer, we used to have iMacs and MacBooks, and now we were ending up with the Big iPad
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Pro and the Small iPad Pro.
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And in a way it's sort of like the same idea, which is you have the big device for work
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and a small device for everything else, like a portable device that you can carry around
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all the time. But there is a difference between the old age, I would say, and the new era,
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which is even the big computer, so even the big iPad Pro, I can carry around with me all
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the time. And it's got cellular, and it's got, you know, this beautiful display. So
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I would say that even if the basic idea is the same, which is you have two computers,
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one is big, the other is small. I think we're getting better in terms of portability and
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having a computer that's always with you. Because in the old era I couldn't bring the
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iMac with me.
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No, it's closer to having like a 15 or 17 inch MacBook Pro and a MacBook Air, but that
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kind of description doesn't effectively make the point that I'm trying to make. So that's
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why I've used like iMac and laptop, even though I'm kind of bending it a little bit in there
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but it's to make the point rather than to talk about like the actual logistics of carrying something like this around.
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Exactly. Yeah. So I'm very satisfied so far.
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That's all I ever want really.
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I know. The gold and red smart cover combo looks fantastic. It got Sylvia's own seal of approval.
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So I came back, so I didn't tell her nothing about the fact that I bought an iPad while
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I was in San Francisco.
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No, I've been meaning to ask you how this went down.
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So I knew she wouldn't understand on the phone.
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So I kept it a secret.
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And I even waited until we were back home, just me and her, not even in the car.
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So when I was unpacking, I was like, "Oh, by the way, I bought you a pen, I bought you
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a t-shirt, a bunch of stickers."
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And then the very last item, I was like, "Oh, by the way, I bought an iPad Pro."
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So the immediate reaction was, "Why are you wasting our money?"
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Which I was expecting.
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Then I explained my reasoning, and I was like, "By the end of this process, when I'm done
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with the beta, you can also use this device.
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It's not gonna be just mine.
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You can also use it with a pencil, you can draw, you can do whatever you want."
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So she was like, "Okay, I like this.
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I like the idea.
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I like the color, the combination of the gold and the red smart cover.
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So she's happy with it, because she knows eventually she's going to be able to use it
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And in fact, she's thinking about actually getting a red iPhone case, because she likes
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the red smart cover so much.
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So all's well that ends well, I guess.
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I wanted to go back for a second to the multiple computer analogy.
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I agree with you Myke, I think it is a little bit closer to like having a 15-inch
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MacBook Pro and like the MacBook but what I do find interesting is the idea
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that you really prefer doing like some work on one and some work on the other
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and I mean going to the desktop and notebook you know idea for a long time I
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think people would look at a desktop like an iMac or a Mac Pro or go further back
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like a power mac and that's there like that's the work machine like if you're a
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designer that's where you're designing or that's where you're producing music or
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editing video and you have like a laptop to go to meetings and like do email at
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home and you know do like non heavy lifting type tasks and to hear like
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that carrying on and to how you guys are using your tablets like I think it's a
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really natural evolution I mean I think I mean clearly there are people out
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there who think it's ridiculous and I
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think that's that's silly because you
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guys are super productive you own your
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businesses like not much you can complain
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about but I just I don't know I find
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that that thread continuing today and I
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think for a lot of people they're kind
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of a step behind you where they're hey I
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have a MacBook or a MacBook Pro and
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that's where I do my work and then I
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have an iPad for like other stuff that's
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where I sit right I'd yeah have a lot of
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of work I could do on my tablet, but I choose to do it on the Mac still. But there are types
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of tasks that are just more comfortable on the iPad. So again, this whole idea of having
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multiple machines for multiple things is not a new one, and I think that puts a lot of
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credence into what you're saying. Yeah, I think so. I will keep going back to this time
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and time again that this is just the machine that I want to do my work on. Luckily or unlikely
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enough for me, there are multiple machines, right? But they offer me different, they offer
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me more choice than maybe two laptops, you know, in that way I feel like there's big
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differences because the software works different. That doesn't really happen very much on the
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Mac, right? So we're talking about like, it's not just the space that you get in Splitview,
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the keyboard being fundamentally different is a big thing and the 12.9 inch iPad Pro's
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keyboard is so much better than the 9.7 just because of all this extra space and the extra
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keys. So it's like that is actually kind of a different computer at that point. It's like
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imagine having, because Apple doesn't do this right? You don't get two laptops with different
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keyboards. They have this, well let's pull the MacBook Adorable out of this for the moment.
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Like if you look at the MacBook Pro's size differences, right, they're the same keyboard
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over the two different devices, you know, and you have one that is 13 inch and one that
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So you can't really, I think, compare them in all the same ways.
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There's like two laptops.
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That's why I think it gets real messy, but I know that it works for me and I'm happy
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to hear that it's working for Federico as well.
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There was something I wanted to mention to you, TG, about the 9.7.
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I think when you use the software keyboard is when the split screen is not very useful
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at all, because you've got two apps taking up a small amount of size and then the keyboard
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takes up half the screen, so then you kind of have like two quarters, it's not very useful
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When you use an external keyboard, the split screen is way better than that.
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And I know because you use the software a lot, but now that you're playing around with
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external keyboards more, it's better.
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So like I always use the smart keyboard, which always on the keyboard cover. I can never
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remember. What is that product called?
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Smart keyboard.
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Smart keyboard. It always confuses me because that feels like that's the magic keyboard.
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And then I feel like it should just be called the keyboard cover, but it's not. And then
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you have something called the smart cover.
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That one's not magic.
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Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. I think it's because it doesn't have a lightning
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pull on the bottom of it or something. I don't know. But because I use the keyboard cover,
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a lot more, it's not what it's called is it?
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What is it called?
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Smart keyboard. - Smart keyboard, right.
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- Yes. - Oh my word.
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Because I use the smart keyboard,
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I think it's better for me.
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And I think maybe if you use it more
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with the hardware keyboard,
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you'll feel that you can get more productive work
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out of the 9.7 inch screen.
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And when I was only using that to travel with,
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I was more constrained when I was in San Francisco,
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but I was able to do all of the work that I do.
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which is a less comfortable environment to do it in.
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But it's like when I use the MacBook Pro to edit a show,
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it's not as comfortable as when I use my 27-inch iMac
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to edit a show.
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- I just feel like the small iPad Pro is more,
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like it invites me to hold it instead of using a keyboard.
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- Yeah, it's way more suitable for consumption of stuff
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than the 12-miners, except for video, of course.
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But yeah. - Definitely.
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We, Sivi and I, we're still watching Orange is the New Black season 4 and it's all on the iPad Pro, the big one.
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Just because it's bigger and it looks fantastic.
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But definitely I think a keyboard with the split view helps.
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It's just, this is the kind of device that I want to hold, that I want to walk around the house with, that I want to sit on the couch with.
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with. So I think I'll be doing all my typing on the Big Appet Pro and use the small one
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for, you know, Pocket, Twitter, that kind of stuff.
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Yeah, and, you know, I do realize when I take the keyboard off sometimes, I'm like "Oh,
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this thing is so thin and light!" What a surprise! Oh yeah, that catches me. That catches me
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every now and then.
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I am going to ask you now Federico, because you mentioned the review when we were talking
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about the 9.7 and I saw you post a tweet the other day with you looked like you were opening
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a mind mapping application to begin the mind map for your next review. So I have two kind
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of questions for you. One, has the work begun and how is that going? And also, it's very
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funny to me that it seems like the only use you have for whatever application this is
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is to plan your iOS reviews.
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The second question is, I don't usually write articles that are this long, and the problem
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is I do find it useful to be able to outline these kind of huge stories in a mindmap.
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What application is that, by the way?
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That's my node, but I'll get to that in a moment.
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I also delete a lot of old mindmaps.
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Before taking the screenshot I just thought it was funny to keep the iOS 9 mindmap while
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taking the screenshot with the iOS 10 one.
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So there were other mindmaps, just a couple.
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I had one for...
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I don't remember, it was a bunch of old articles, like the really long ones, but two other mindmaps.
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I don't use it often, I just use it when an article gets too long, when a story has too
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many different topics.
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The app is MindNode and I'm actually having a bit of trouble and I'm pretty sure it's
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because of iOS 10.
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So I have iOS 10 beta 1 on my iPhone and on the small iPad Pro.
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On the big iPad Pro, which is where I want to write and do my research, I have iOS 9.
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And I'm having issues with iCloud sync because MindNode uses iCloud Drive.
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I'm not sure what is going on, I mean, it has to be some kind of compatibility problem
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or whatever.
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But basically the mind maps are not showing up on all of my devices.
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So if this doesn't work out I'll probably be switching to iThoughts, which is this other
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mind mapping app for iOS, that I actually also used last year, because I started in
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MindNode and eventually moved to iThoughts, because of some of the, I think, markdown
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and image features, but MineNode has some updates lately. Anyway, this is way too nerdy.
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We might come back to this at some point.
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We'll come back to this. Anyway, if it's not MineNode, it'll be iThoughts, which uses Dropbox.
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So yeah, the work actually started when we were in San Francisco, Myke, because I went
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to the sessions, I was taking notes. So right now I'm at the stage where I've attended a
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a few sessions that I really wanted to go to. I've watched some of the videos of sessions
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that I missed because we were busy doing our own road trips and stuff. And so I have a
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few, by few I mean like 10 to 15 maybe, notes in the Apple Notes app and these are all unstructured
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and comments from me.
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Why do you keep separate notes? Is it on different topics?
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It's on different topics and I have different notes for Siri, Proactive stuff,
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subscriptions for example, you know, all these different features are in a
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different note and I also have a master note where I keep my general like
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thoughts, my high-level comments. And I have a list of minor features and changes that
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I also want to tackle at the end of the review. So what I'm trying, at this point I'm at the
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stage where I think I have an idea for the introduction, and I need to kind of think
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about that and visualize that.
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But do you need to write the introduction first?
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Yes, yeah, I always do that because it kind of puts me in a mood where I know what kind of...
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The style or the tone?
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What kind of style, what kind of tone, what kind of steps I need to follow?
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What kind of angle I want to have? And this is...
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We've talked about this. This is how I write. I need to find an angle.
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I need to find a story before I move on to the next steps.
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So I think I found what I want to talk about
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And I have all of these different notes. So I'll be finishing up the the session videos that I missed and now
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after that, I'll need to
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visualize everything on a mind map and
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I need to do that because for
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Stories that are this long, you know with multiple pages on the site
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The mind map helps me view the weight of each section visually.
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So depending on all of the branches, all of the subnodes and the comments,
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at a glance I can see which section is going to be heavier in terms of content
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and in terms of research than others, and I can try to move things around
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to give the review a better flow so that I don't have like three really content-heavy
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sections all clustered in the same, you know, next to each other.
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If you look at the iOS 9 review last year, for example, there were shorter sections such
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as mail or share sheet kind of in the middle just to kind of break the flow and give the
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review a different rhythm so it could read better for people.
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But I'm sure that you would change, I assume that it goes through quite a lot of changes, the introduction.
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Oh yeah, it goes through many many changes and this is what I do during the summer when I write.
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If I think of a nice sentence or of a nice point, something that sounds nice and that I don't have in the review,
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review, either I make a note real quick or I just put it in the mind map, give it a different
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color or like a sticker or like I make it bold, whatever, just to indicate that I need
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to add that point.
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And as I go through each section, I collapse all of the different branches so I know when
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a section is done.
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And that's the advantage of a mindmap, that it also, in addition to a visual aid for understanding
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like the importance of sections, it also lets me view progress.
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So as I close down a branch, I know that I'm done, and I can move to the next one.
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So last year I had this mindmap structured in two halves, and as soon as I was done with
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the right one with the right side, I knew that the left side was easier because it was
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smaller sections, and that really helped me in the end.
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This year, one change that I want to make is I want to write the review in Ulysses,
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and of course I also have a backup in Dropbox, but I want to have each section as a Ulysses
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sheet and I want to see if by using filters in the app and by... this is
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actually CGP Grey gave me this tip... by using multiple sheets and then by
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sorting them by modification date I can see which section needs work so that the
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you know the ones that I modified go to the bottom and the ones that I
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haven't touched in a while float back to the top so I can see where I need to get
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my writing done, which is a different sort of process. Usually I tend to write sequentially,
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so I go from the introduction to the very end. Maybe this year, because there's no big
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story like last year with the iPad multitasking, essentially iOS 10 is a bunch of iPhone changes.
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So maybe this year not doing writing sequentially could be possible. There are some themes that
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need to be developed throughout the review from top to bottom, but some changes, I mean,
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I can write one section before the other one and there's no problem for me.
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So it's gonna be slightly different from last year, and I'm pretty confident that it's gonna
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be easier, especially because there's no huge feature like App and multitasking, and a lot
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of work that went into the iOS 9 review last year can be used this year, so I don't need
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to repeat myself for like split view what it means, you know, that kind of stuff. That's
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already done. Thank you Apple for not doing any more iPad changes yet.
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That's an interesting stance from you now. I say you've changed man, you've changed.
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Well I mean, do I need to be upset? Well I mean, you know, now you have your own
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ulterior motives here, right? Because you don't want to have to write so much. The
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Federico Vittucci of old would be looking at you now and being like "buddy, no iPad
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I'm upset, yeah I know. And another...
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You're a slave to the review, Federico.
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Yeah, at this point I am. Another point, another point. Last year, if you remember Myke, I
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don't want to say I wasted time, but I, let's say I invested a few weeks of my review time
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work on these two stories for the website. One was about Safari View Controller, the
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other was about Search, Spotlight Search, Proactive, that kind of stuff. And the idea
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was there were two important features that could be developed as standalone stories on
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the site. So I took the time off from the review, I used the research that I had, so
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notes and my comments for those two individual articles. They went really well, but they
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took time off from my review time and when the time came that I needed to have those
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sections again, I spent way too much time trying to adapt those articles back into the
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review. So I don't think I'm gonna do standalone iOS 10 feature stories this year, so I'm just
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gonna focus on the review and it's kinda... I feel kinda itchy every time I see someone
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working on iOS 10 stories now because, you know, I wanna talk about it, I wanna write
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about it, but I just gotta keep my eyes set on the prize, which is the final review for
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the final version. I know that there's some stuff I could talk about now, I could write
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about messages, I could write about changes for developers, but I gotta keep in mind that
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people are expecting my review at the end, and I'm a single person and I wanna do this
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right, I don't wanna go crazy like last year, I feel like I'm on schedule, actually last
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year I started writing by the mid of July, this year it's not even the end of June and
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I'm already starting. So, you know, you gotta keep focused and just work on the review.
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It's gonna be a long summer, buddy. I know, I know. But, you know, I mean, in a way, it's
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kinda nice, like the way that I think of this, this was the conversation that would happen
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on ATP, right? You'd hear those guys on ATP and they'd be talking to John and asking him
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how the review's gone. Now John is done and that has moved to us now. So me and, it's
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and Steven's job to keep this dream alive and we ask you questions and then you can
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go huh and then we'll move on. We are just keeping the ball rolling man, this is the
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cycle of life. Yeah and I need to say that Myke and Steven will be helping me throughout
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the summer. I'll be sending you guys screenshots. We get our own jobs to do. Questions. I mean,
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If you want to do this on the show, you gotta help me out, you know, after the show.
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So yeah, it'll be interesting. I really mean this, but I think it's gonna be...
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I mean, it's not gonna be easy, it's gonna be slightly easier than last year.
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I spent so much time doing the sections on iPad multitasking, the speciality of multitasking,
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the design, the architecture, it was like half of the review was all about iPad multitasking.
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Now, I mean, it's not like we haven't got features this year because we got Siri, we've got messages, but I feel like that's more...
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I mean, that's more fun, especially messages. It's also easier because there's no huge architectural change or
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behavioral change on the iPad, which was really huge for me. And I get to reuse a lot of what I did last year.
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I mean, even if you look at Safari, if you look at the Notes app, for example, there's some new stuff.
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but just it's an incremental upgrade in many many areas of the OS. So we'll see.
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Yeah I mean I guess you've done a lot of the groundwork because Apple did the groundwork last year on those.
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Yeah I mean San Francisco, the font, oh my gosh.
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You don't need to waste time on that stuff.
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The section killed me last year. So yeah we'll see. Right now I would say I'm 70% optimistic about my status right now.
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>> Another thing, I mentioned how we're taking the mantle from ATP for this review thing.
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Next up in that idea is next up on follow up 30 minutes into the show. Many weeks ago,
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many, many weeks ago, I gave a kind of a review of the Canary home security system that I
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bought. And at that time, the thing that I felt the Canary was missing and that I was
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trying to solve with a third-party application was the ability to set the Canary automatically
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at night and unset in the morning without me needing to do anything about that. Now
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Canary has made an update to their device, the firmware and also their app, the software
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to change their modes and now they have, it used to be like privacy, armed and unarmed
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I think it was basically what it was. But now we have away, home and night. So away
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it sets, you know, it does that automatically when you leave. At home that means it's in
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privacy mode so there's no video being recorded right now because I'm at home. But now we
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have night mode which is so happy exists. Basically what happens now is you can set
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in the canary application for the home security camera, that's what it is, to turn on the
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at night at a time use that you set so that like so you could say oh we have it
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to at 2 a.m. the canary goes into armed mode so it's recording any activity so
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if there's any movement it will pick it up and then at 7 a.m. it will um it will
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unarmed again so it won't be picked up by anybody moving around the house so
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I'm really happy about this it's actually made it even better for me
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because now it's doing exactly what I wanted because there was some weird kind
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of weird bugs and edge cases I was running into by using a third party
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system to kind of hack the settings in a way like to it was like if me and Adina
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were both not at home, let's say we were on holiday, it would still set an
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onset because the app was kind of overriding the canaries understanding of
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who's at home because it was like I was telling it to unset so if we were both
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on holiday, we're on holiday together, at 7am in the morning it would just go into private
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mode so it wouldn't be picking up anyone coming home because I was kind of not really doing
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what I was supposed to be doing a bit. But now that doesn't happen because it always
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pays attention to who's at home before it makes any changes. So like if we're both not
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at home now it will still remain set even though we've asked it to unset in the morning.
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So I'm really happy about this.
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It's made it an even better product for me
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because as time was going on, I was getting more and more
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concerned about the fact that I had to pay attention
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to doing this and turning off the programming
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that I had set up every time we went away.
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So now it doesn't do this, and the Canary's even better.
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And I want to just thoroughly recommend this product again.
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We've been living with it for, I don't know,
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it's probably six months or something now.
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And I absolutely love it.
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It gives me the peace of mind.
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This is not a sponsor.
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Canary have never been a sponsor.
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but it gives me the peace of mind that I wanted.
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I can check in when I was away,
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when I was in San Francisco,
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I was able to check in at any time that I wanted to.
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I think you probably saw me doing this.
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- So like if anything was moving in the house
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or one thing that I really loved is I would know
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when Adina came home and I knew when she went to work,
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which I just like to know that, right?
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That's just the way that we are,
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we like to know that information.
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So yeah, I really love it
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and it's continued to be a worthwhile purchase for me.
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so I recommend it to anybody that wants a home security system.
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The Canary, I'm pretty sure it's getting home kit support with iOS 10, right?
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I have no idea about that.
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I think it was on a slide at the keynote.
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Because iOS 10 is adding cameras as home kit devices.
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Well, I'm assuming then there would be new hardware that might work.
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I think it would be a firmware update.
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Interesting. Interesting.
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I want to confirm that because if that's the case, I think I'm gonna get one.
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Man, if that is the case, I will be very happy because I really love the Canary and that
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was something that I was concerned about because I figured I would have to buy something new
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because, like, it wouldn't work for me anymore, right?
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Oh, there's a blog post.
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There's a blog post.
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There we go.
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There's a blog post.
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There we go.
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HomeKit support is what's coming.
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And it looks like that they're gonna be changing something called Canary Plus.
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next generation product, Canary Plus. So it's a new camera?
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There you go, it's a new product.
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But my hope will be that I will, because you can link Canaries together, so you can have
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multiple ones in the house.
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So when we move, which we will probably have moved hopefully by the time this one comes
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out, I mean I was probably going to get a second Canary anyway to put in our new home.
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So that will be good because then I could have the HomeKit one, link to the other one.
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I figured it would have to be a new device and I'm not upset about this from Canary's
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perspective because I think you need to have specific chips in them, don't you?
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There's like an Apple chip that goes in HomeKit devices.
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Am I remembering that correctly?
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No, I think you're right.
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Yeah, there's some sort of authentication that they use.
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It's hardware based.
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I figured that this would happen to me if I wanted to have something HomeKit, but I
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just didn't think it was ever going to happen.
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So I'm pleased to hear that because I will definitely get a new Canary or an updated
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Canary. So that's good for me. Alright. Alright, let's take another break before we finish
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I'm so sorry.
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yeah sometimes things happen and things
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that I own become like now I know this
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thunderbolt display will be a thing that
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you know isn't around forever. I have it
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right here. It used to be at home and I
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moved it to the office for many reasons
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so I'm just I'm just gently touching it
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sadly because he's gone. He's gone now.
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So I don't know if there's a say right?
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Thunderbolt display is five years old
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Apple had a little press thing like the
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the very end of the week saying we're no longer selling it. There are lots of
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third-party alternatives. Super strange thing to say. I mean so I think I think
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you guys talked about this on upgrade but I buy into the theory that there is
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a new one coming and that their timing got messed up and so the plan to
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discontinue these was already in the works and they couldn't do anything
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about that. Like if you stopped ordering the parts or you're out of parts you can't build
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Why do you own one of these? Like this is something that I couldn't really understand
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because it feels overpriced anyway like the thing is it's always been a thousand dollars
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and it's really expensive. I don't really know like I was kind of laughing on upgrade
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about the idea of somebody owning one of these anyway and then Jason reminded me that you
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do and I don't know why you do.
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And my Twitter followers know that I recently damaged it.
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Yeah, what did you do? You dropped it, didn't you?
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I dropped it. So there's like a chunk of...
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There's like a chunk of little aluminum missing and it messed up the glass.
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You escaped nicely from that one.
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I did. Because this glass is not like safety glass.
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So if you drop the front of an iMac, which I have done,
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it turns into some like really sharp pieces of glass you could like cut people with.
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I'll find a picture of it. I'm gonna dig this picture up for the show notes.
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dropped a cover glass like my last week
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is a genius and it was terrible I had to fill out a lot of paperwork.
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Anyways so it's discontinued. I hope
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there's a new one coming. The reason I
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own it and the reason that I'm interested
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in a new one is that it it really serves
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as a as a docking station that you can
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leave all of your stuff plugged into the
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display and then if you're like me with a
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MacBook Pro I can just like pick it up
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and unplug a couple of things and be like free of my setup. You know I think if
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you're running a Mac mini or Mac Pro maybe you have it because it like your
00:39:28
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IT department bought it for you. In fact there's a talk on Twitter about who buys these
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things like we just spent time in Dropbox and Facebook. Like Dropbox has
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bajillions of these things like everywhere you look in Dropbox is it
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there's a thunderbolt display. Clearly people like that it's it's branded and
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you know it's nice and neat but I like it as a notebook user that I can just
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walk away with like a minimal fiddliness. It is expensive there's no way around
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that and there's no way around the fact that Apple never updated like since 2011
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they haven't done a single thing there been like two firmware updates to it but
00:40:09
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even mine I think I wrote in my little blog post of like the saddest thing in
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the Apple ecosystem is using a $9 MagSafe 2 adapter on your $1,000 display.
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I guess it's the saddest thing.
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But it's gone.
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I hope there's a new one.
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I think it's a market they should be in.
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Clearly there's good money to be had, you know, with good margins.
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Clearly they want, you know, I think they like that people use them.
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And I think that there are a lot of people who really want them.
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They are nice displays.
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though this isn't Retina, it's still a great display. So I hope a new one's coming, I'm
00:40:49
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sure that I will need a new MacBook Pro to drive it, and I'm ready for my new Retina
00:40:54
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overlords to come visit. Maybe I'm being mean on you. A little bit. I am being mean on you,
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I'm gonna be a bit more mean on you. Do you know what is a really good docking station?
00:41:04
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Just a docking station. Right, cause you spent a thousand dollars on a screen, which is also
00:41:11
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docking station you could probably spend like $600 on a good screen in a good
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docking station like a Thunderbolt docking station. Yeah, so I actually have, it's actually in a
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cabinet in this office, I have a Thunderbolt like breakout box, whatever
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the one Jason has like the Belkin Thunderbolt dock and it was great I used
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it for a really long time and mine actually started getting um getting
00:41:34
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flaky so I kind of used that as an excuse to do this but absolutely I mean
00:41:39
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can buy a nice like you can go buy a Dell 4k display and a thunderbolt dock
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and it's actually probably better than the thunderbolt display but there are
00:41:49
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people who want it all in one and so we'll see I'm interested to see what
00:41:54
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they do if we if we get new macbook pros and we get new Mac pros and there's not
00:41:59
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a right display then I will look at what third-party you know retina level
00:42:04
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displays can I purchase and then go back to a setup like that at least at home
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and leave the Thunderbolt display here in the office.
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But we'll see.
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I think it could go either way.
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Again, I hope Apple is making something.
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I think they are.
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I'd be surprised if they bail on the display business,
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but you never know.
00:42:26
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-Well, we'll watch with bated breath
00:42:29
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for the screens that we can plug our iPads into, right?
00:42:32
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Isn't that what we're doing? Isn't that it?
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No. -So, let me --
00:42:35
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Actually, that's a really interesting question.
00:42:37
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if I mean if there were a solution to use an iPad with an external display
00:42:44
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with the two of you look at that for me it makes no sense right because the
00:42:49
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iPads a touch
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yes I don't think I don't I don't think it makes any sense right now I wouldn't
00:42:57
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say never because who knows like where this is going to go but like there are
00:43:02
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are so many parts of that that don't make sense.
00:43:07
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But I'm not going to say never on that one, to be honest.
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Because let's imagine in five years time,
00:43:13
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the iPad is as powerful as I hope it will be.
00:43:16
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And I want to sit down at a desk, do podcast editing on it.
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And I want to use iOS, but it would
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be nice to use an external Apple Pencil, an external trackpad
00:43:27
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to do editing and a logic on the iPad.
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It doesn't seem like an impossible world to me,
00:43:33
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like the same way that people plug their laptops
00:43:35
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into these setups.
00:43:37
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But I just think right now with the tools
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and everything that we have right now with iOS working
00:43:42
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as it does right now, it doesn't make any sense.
00:43:43
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But I won't fall that out forever.
00:43:45
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Federico, do you agree with that?
00:43:47
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- I really don't know if I want to
00:43:52
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or need to connect my iPad to another display.
00:43:56
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I feel like a lot of the reason why I love iOS is that I can touch it all the time.
00:44:04
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And I'm not sure...
00:44:06
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I have an Apple TV, I never used AirPlay for anything.
00:44:11
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I just feel like if you're a desktop person it makes sense to have external monitors.
00:44:16
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If you're an iOS person you just get used to the way that it is.
00:44:21
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I don't find myself wishing for it or craving any kind of display in any way.
00:44:29
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Yeah, but do you think it, like...
00:44:33
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Would you say right now that you would never do that?
00:44:37
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Never say never for anything, Myke.
00:44:39
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Exactly, yeah, exactly.
00:44:40
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That's how I feel.
00:44:41
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It's like, it seems crazy, but I have two iPads, so...
00:44:46
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On a scale of priorities and wishes there's other things I wish for than a display for
00:44:53
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That's what I'm saying.
00:44:55
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Yeah, I mean, I think the only way it would make sense is if the external display is also
00:45:01
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like touch sensitive.
00:45:02
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So you could have your iPad plugged in and put an app up on it and use it, you know,
00:45:08
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in a touch environment.
00:45:09
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I don't know, I mean, I think inherently they're just so different that it's not really a thing.
00:45:14
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It's something that, you know, people sometimes say, "Oh, I'd love to have more displays."
00:45:17
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It's like something to consider. But, you know, overall, like, the Mac hardware—on
00:45:24
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the hardware side, at least—is in this just, like, really funky spot of there's
00:45:28
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not a lot of good news going on in the Mac hardware scene. It seems like we're
00:45:35
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always just right around the corner for something new and magical. And maybe we
00:45:39
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are I hope we are but if you were to go
00:45:44
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buy a Mac today the only one I would
00:45:45
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really ever consider is the iMac I think
00:45:47
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everything else is is due for an update
00:45:51
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and the rumors peg it with such large
00:45:54
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updates that unless you just really need
00:45:57
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I wouldn't go buy a MacBook Pro right now
00:45:59
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yeah but uh I guess we'll see I guess
00:46:03
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it's like the you know the year that we
00:46:05
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had no devices anywhere until the fall. That's what it feels like to be a Mac user right
00:46:12
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now, always on the treadmill of old computers. Federico, you mentioned betas and I want to
00:46:19
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just touch base with you, I guess, that's a phrase I'm using now, about what you're
00:46:25
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feeling about the betas right now because you mentioned that you'd put iOS on your phone,
00:46:32
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I don't know a lot of people that have done that and you are watching, you watch OS3 as
00:46:37
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well, right?
00:46:39
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So, okay, just flat out, up front, we are not advocating that you do this.
00:46:45
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Don't do it.
00:46:46
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The connector podcast is not liable for any issues that you have.
00:46:50
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The things you gotta say.
00:46:52
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Don't do it, file radar, what else?
00:46:54
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Yeah, I think that's it.
00:46:57
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Bounce to dinos.
00:46:58
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Apple people care.
00:46:59
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All of the things you gotta say.
00:47:01
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That's sad. That's sad, Myke. I would say there's been worse betas in the past. It feels
00:47:17
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like it's the most stable beta one. Not the most stable beta, the most stable beta one
00:47:23
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I tried on my phone.
00:47:26
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I do get the maybe a couple of times a day of home screen crash.
00:47:33
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You know when you get the spinner.
00:47:35
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Now when I use 10 you don't get the Apple logo, you get the spinner for a home screen
00:47:40
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It's a big change.
00:47:42
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I get that a couple of times a day but it takes 5 seconds to restart the home screen
00:47:47
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and all of my apps work.
00:47:49
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I haven't seen any major showstopper kind of bug, I can get work done on my phone, it's
00:47:56
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There's just some annoyances, such as the home screen crashing thing, and the fact that
00:48:03
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if you have a lot of betas from TestFlight, app betas from TestFlight, the App Store,
00:48:09
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the update section goes crazy.
00:48:12
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Now I basically don't know which updates are for TestFlight apps and which updates are
00:48:18
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for apps that are not as bright on my device. It's mentioned in the release notes so I'm
00:48:24
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okay with that. It's probably going to get fixed in beta 2. And overall it's a very stable
00:48:29
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beta and it's supposed to be a lot better based on what I heard last week. It's supposed
00:48:34
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to be a lot better even in beta 2. So I want to say solid job on the first beta of iOS
00:48:40
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I wanted to ask you about the multilingual keyboard.
00:48:44
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Because I can't imagine that there are really that many people that talk or write about this stuff that need...
00:48:50
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That's the English perspective, right?
00:48:52
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
00:49:22
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I get that, I get what you mean, I get what you mean.
00:49:24
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It's amazing. It's seriously one of the best changes to your standing ears.
00:49:30
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So if you happen to be one of those people who constantly needs to type into, what do you call it, Latin-based languages,
00:49:43
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so you know the QWERTY keyboard, such as in my case English and Italian, you can now...
00:49:51
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So it used to be you needed to switch between the English keyboard and the Italian keyboard
00:49:55
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before iOS 10.
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Because otherwise you wouldn't be able to type for example in Italian using the English
00:50:00
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keyboard because our correct would go crazy and it just, you know, it was the English
00:50:05
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keyboard for English words.
00:50:07
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So you needed to switch all the time and the keyboard switcher was slow, only iMessage
00:50:14
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could remember different keyboards for each conversation, but the whole system was kinda
00:50:21
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In iOS 10 you can install the keyboards from the settings, as usual, but then you don't
00:50:28
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have to switch anymore, because let's say that I'm talking to Myke and I'm using the
00:50:32
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English keyboard, then I switch conversation, I'm talking to my mom and I need to type in
00:50:37
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I don't need to switch to the Italian keyboard anymore.
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I can just keep writing in Italian
00:50:43
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from the English keyboard.
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And as soon as the iOS keyboard picks it up
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that I'm typing in Italian, it gives me
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autocorrect suggestions in Italian,
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and it also suggests emoji in Italian.
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So it's not just words.
00:50:56
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It's also emoji, and it's amazing.
00:50:58
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And I've been testing this for the past week.
00:51:02
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- And I'm happy to say--
00:51:03
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- I'm happy to say that it's beta.
00:51:05
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to be as a final radar. But no, it really does work. It's seriously one of the changes
00:51:14
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that is going to make me save a lot of time every day. Because those few seconds that
00:51:19
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you switch within keyboards, they do add up over time. Like, it takes a couple of seconds
00:51:24
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every time. Imagine that, like, 20 seconds per day at least, maybe even 30 seconds per
00:51:29
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day for, I don't know how many days, for how many years, and it's a lot of time. And it's
00:51:35
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It's not just time, it's a lot of muscle memory kind of annoyance, you know, to do this all
00:51:42
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It's annoying, it's tedious, and now it works from a single keyboard, and I'm so surprised
00:51:48
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that Apple is doing this, because I thought I was generally the only person complaining
00:51:53
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about this, but I do have to mention a lot of...
00:51:58
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I don't remember the names, and I'm sorry, there's only one Spanish website that comes
00:52:03
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of mine, it's called Apple Sphera, I think. But there's a lot of international Apple
00:52:07
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blogs that brought up this complaint over the years. So it does feel like a small victory
00:52:13
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for us, especially us Europeans. I know I got quite a few colleagues in Brazil, for
00:52:19
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example, and I know that those people brought up this problem many, many times in the past.
00:52:24
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So it does feel like it's a small victory for us, and it's very impressive. Now, the
00:52:32
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The thing is, it doesn't work for languages that use different keyboards.
00:52:37
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And by different keyboards I mean you cannot do English and Chinese, or English and Russian
00:52:44
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Cyrillic alphabet at the same time.
00:52:47
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So it only applies to Latin-based keyboards and languages.
00:52:51
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But in my experience it works really well, and it's an amazing change.
00:52:54
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So yeah, really happy about this.
00:52:56
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How are you feeling about WatchOS 3?
00:52:59
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I'm very interested in speed.
00:53:02
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Host of MacPow users, David Sparks,
00:53:04
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wrote a really nice little post about this a few days ago,
00:53:06
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'cause David, I think, installed it in San Francisco,
00:53:10
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'cause that's, he's a crazy person.
00:53:12
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- But he does.
00:53:13
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- But I'm interested in if you've noticed any speed changes
00:53:16
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and if they're applying to third-party applications
00:53:19
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that you're already using
00:53:20
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that haven't obviously been updated.
00:53:23
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- So it is faster.
00:53:25
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It's not as amazing as what Apple showed at the keynote.
00:53:29
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Well, because that's Watch 2, but that's another story.
00:53:32
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Or developers need to work to get there.
00:53:35
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I don't know if just--
00:53:36
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Well, but are you finding the speed being
00:53:39
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instant on Apple apps?
00:53:41
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Yeah, also Apple apps, yeah.
00:53:44
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I mean, even if you launch the Home app, for example,
00:53:46
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it takes a solid four seconds for it to update and to give me
00:53:50
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the status of my lights.
00:53:51
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So it's not as immediate.
00:53:52
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And the Home app is pinned to my dock, whatever the name is.
00:53:57
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So it's still not there.
00:53:58
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It's faster, way way better, at least in terms of... I mean, I love the dock idea.
00:54:03
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I feel like it needs to be a little more intuitive to be able to swipe between apps, because
00:54:08
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I feel like I need to time or at least to control my swipe so that I don't jump over
00:54:13
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the next app. But that'll get better with the betas. I do like the idea a lot, and I'm
00:54:20
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sure that developers, as soon as they update with WatchOS 3 support, it'll be even faster.
00:54:25
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The general idea is I think watchOS 3 will make me love the Apple Watch, eventually.
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I do feel like I've been down on the Apple Watch because of the two problems.
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One was the performance and the second one was the software just had too many places
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where it didn't make sense.
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The friends interface, the going back and forth with the Honeycomb.
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I feel like the changes coming with watchOS 3, the dock, the speed improvements, how you
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can move between watch faces, I feel like I'll be... this is like the watchOS that I
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wanted to have from the beginning.
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And I feel like as soon as I have watchOS 3 and the watch 2, I'm probably gonna be a
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watch person like all the way in the Apple Watch.
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Because I saw you, Myke, using the Apple Watch, you use your Apple Watch all the time, I saw
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you how much you depend on notifications, and I wanna be like you, and I feel like,
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I'm honest here, I feel like watch rest 3 and watch 2, that'll do the job for me.
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Yeah, I am one of four.
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I am someone who uses the watch a lot and enjoys their Apple Watch a lot.
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and Jason spoke on Upgrade a few weeks ago in defense of the Apple Watch, I feel like,
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against people that are... There's been a lot of complaints about it, basically, and
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a lot of people saying that they've stopped using it, Steven being one of them, people
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giving up on it. But as the episode was called "Happy Apple Watch Users", I am one, and I'm
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looking forward to being even more happy about using the Apple Watch when it becomes even
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more useful with watchOS 3. So it's good to hear that it's getting better and you know
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I know I make like dumb jokes but like I really do believe that the speed that they showed
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on stage is probably most likely achieved by another watch which is you know it's still
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correct what they're showing watchOS 3 will be faster but any amount of faster is better
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than what we currently have. So I'm looking forward to trying it out for myself and of
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Of course it's probably worth mentioning, it probably isn't as fast in beta 1 as it
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will be by the time it's released anyway, right?
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There is a strong chance that they will continue to tweak as it goes along through the beta
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period to make it even faster and more responsive so I'm very interested to see what that ends
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up looking like.
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Now one of the biggest features, and I know it's one that I'm excited about for iOS 10
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and I know that it's met with different feelings by many different people is messages and I
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have played around with messages with Federico on iOS and we should talk about that but before
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So I put iOS 10 on my iPad Air 2 which is a device that has kind of just been sitting
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waiting for me to turn into something. I plan to again when I move into my own home to mount
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that iPad in the kitchen somewhere. That is a plan that I have because I think it would
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be really nice to have a dedicated device for recipes and stuff. But until then it's
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just been sitting there waiting for, you know, to be put to use and it has been put to use
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as my iOS 10 device. And the only real thing that I've played around with because it seems
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to be the only real thing that I can do right now with it is to send crazy messages to Federico
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Yeah, pretty much. And we have been. It is incredibly buggy, which is expectable, expected
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I think at this point. There are little UI bugs all over the place, but it does work
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and I do really enjoy it. So we're talking about the effects that you can do to make
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the messages kind of explode. Federico sent me one message which was basically playing
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like lasers and strobe lights with a little sound.
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And even though my iPad was in mute,
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the sound kept playing every time I opened my message
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to that, which is awesome.
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- So like every time I opened my iPad, a rave would begin.
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And there was nothing I could do about that.
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So these are the kinds of bugs, but it is fun, right?
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I love the handwriting stuff that you can do.
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So you can draw little handwritten messages,
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which I will probably send all of my messages that way now
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with my Apple pencil, right?
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Just draw a little handwritten one.
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The stickers are really good.
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so they have the classic Mac stickers there.
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Something that I don't recall seeing in the keynote
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is there's GIFs, there's a GIF app
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just built into messages.
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And you can search for GIFs and it will give you GIFs
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and it has popular GIFs and that all works really well.
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So I'm happy to see that because that's much easier
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than opening an app to do it.
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And digital touches there, and that's kind of cool.
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I like that you can take photos
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and draw on the digital touches.
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you can send a heartbeat, which I'm not 100% sure
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is real in any way, 'cause I don't know where my iPad
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is getting my heartbeat from.
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But I think it's really good.
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I think it makes messages feel young and alive again.
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I showed some of this stuff to Adina,
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and she said, "It looks like Facebook Messenger."
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And I think that's the point.
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I think that's what they're attempting to do here,
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was to make Facebook Messenger, like an app like that.
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That is what they wanted to do.
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So I am very excited about some of the things
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that I might be able to do with this down the line.
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All of the sticker packs, I'm looking forward to those.
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And also some of the apps that people might be making,
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like the little game apps or being a way
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to send people money in messages and stuff like that.
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I'm excited about this.
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And now Federico, I don't know if you've tested it
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with anyone other than me, but what are your feelings?
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Do you kind of agree with me?
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I think Messages is the blockbuster announcement.
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- It is. - Of WWDC.
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And you don't, Lisa, I was spending time with developers
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at the conference and I don't wanna say
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that no one was excited because I have been talking
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to developers who are coming up with some great ideas
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and I think it's gonna be super fun for two reasons.
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One, to see what developers come up with
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and two, to see what App Review rejects this fall.
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But we'll talk about this in the future.
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But I didn't get the idea that the WWDC crowd was the right one for this kind of announcement.
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But I think messages will be super popular.
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And I think it's obviously inspired by Facebook Messenger in terms of the big emoji, the GIFs, and the App Platform, the whole idea of a messages app store.
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It's also inspired by what others have been doing, if you look at WeChat or Line, for example.
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I think it makes messages super fresh.
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It's gonna be fun to personalize conversations in a bunch of different ways, thanks to apps,
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stickers and that kind of stuff.
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There will be a lot of money flowing in the iMessage App Store, especially because it's
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super easy for developers to come up with a sticker pack.
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I wanna see how Apple will tackle the possible copyright infringement problems, just because
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it's so easy to come up with the sticker pack. I mean, it's just a bunch of images, you drop
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them in a folder, you run Xcode and you got yourself a sticker pack to sell on the App Store.
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I've been thinking about this. I think that they just made the decision to just let it fly and deal
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with it on a case-by-case basis. It's like, there's nothing you can do. Like, if you catch it in
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review, stop it. If it goes out and then you wait for somebody to complain and then you pull it down,
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like, I feel like you either do this or you don't do it. If you do it, this is definitely going to
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to happen, so you just need to accept that. I think that's kind of the process that you
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go through in coming up with this decision the way that they have.
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But I feel like even if you set aside the fun aspect of stickers and little gaming apps,
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even from a productivity perspective, I feel like we're going to see utilities on the iMessage
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apps or stuff for sharing documents or calendar events or images, media, files. I feel like
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it's really up to the developers imagination at this point and it's going to be this fun
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place kind of like Facebook messengers. But even for stuff like if you look at what developers
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were doing with keyboards in terms of utilities and productivity, imagine that in a much better
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native way in iMessage. I don't feel like it's going to move people away from Slack,
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of course, but for one-on-one conversations or even smaller groups of people that don't
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want to sign up for Slack, I feel like it's going to be possible to save time when sharing
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stuff on iMessage that isn't necessarily, you know, King Kardashian stickers or big
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emoji. I'm really curious, and I'm getting already a few emails from developers who are
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making non-fun, because they're more of utility-based apps for iMessage. I think it's going to be
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really interesting to see what they come up with.
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I wonder how these apps just being on iOS will affect that, where a lot of people still
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want their productivity stuff on the Mac.
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And we spoke a little bit about it last week,
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these apps are not coming to the Mac to a degree.
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Some of it you'll see in like read only,
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but it's even I think dependent on exactly
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what the app is doing.
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And a big reason--
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- I think that's so sad.
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- It's disappointing, but a big reason that
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I actually had thought about but then it didn't come
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out of my mouth was the fact that these are going
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to be UI kit apps written for iOS,
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and of course, if you're on a Mac, it's not very helpful,
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'cause there's still not a great way
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to have the same code base on both platforms.
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And maybe that's another reason that they're not there,
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but I really want to see Messages be a platform
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that you can use on either type of device.
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And I think even extending it to the web at some point,
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like Facebook Messenger is sort of web first
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and they have mobile clients,
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like why couldn't I sign into iCloud.com
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and do like really nice messaging on the web
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if I'm at a PC, so I think--
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- Could it, I know this is like gonna make people's skin crawl
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but could there have been or could there be a way
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to make a messages app which is actually just a web view
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which could allow for some of this stuff?
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Would it work on the web?
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Like would you be able to do this stuff
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iOS and the web where you can't do it on iOS and the Mac? I mean they would need
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to have a technology story there for developers to use but there's nothing
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holding them back from doing that. There's nothing holding them back from saying hey if
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you want to do it on the Mac this is how you do it or making it really
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easy to take an iOS application and port it to the Mac you know in this in this
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regard so again I think we're probably not the best three to talk to that talk
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to that sort of thing but I know as a user it's going to be disappointing to
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like or even frustrating if I'm working on my Mac all day and like needing to
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pick up my phone or my iPad to like interact in a way that is meaningful with
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with somebody else so maybe it'll come you know maybe it's like we said last
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week where they have a plan for this and it just didn't get done but I sure hope
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that something's going on there because having messages like fractured to have
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like you have these features over here
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but if you're on the Mac you don't. Like look at
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photos right? Photos on iOS and photos on
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the Mac are more or less like lock and
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step right? So they added memories to
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one the other one got memories and
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the face engine got redone, the face engine
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got redone on iOS as well. So they can do
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it to a degree like that is part of
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their strategy for some reason messages
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just isn't there yet and I really think
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that if messages going to be a real
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contender that whatever apps or like stuff that you use within it you have
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available no matter where you're sitting and hopefully they get there.
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The idea about the contender I don't agree with.
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Well I think a good messaging platform is ubiquitous. One reason
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Slack is so damn good is that I can use it on any device and it's the same
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everywhere. I don't have to think about oh I'm on my iPad so I can't do this
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thing in Slack. Well it works the same everywhere.
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Well, I would ask that you look at WhatsApp, right?
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I mean, the idea of how good the platform is to use
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is a different argument to if it will be a success.
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And I think, like, it depends what you mean by contender.
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I'm being facetious, but like, I'm
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just trying to understand it, right?
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Like, when you say contender, do you
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mean as a well-rounded good application
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or as a contender to Facebook Messenger WhatsApp Telegram?
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Because whilst some of those apps have varying support on different devices, I think as long
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as you're on iPhones, Apple is going to be totally fine and they're going to probably
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eat up even more of the message market than they currently have.
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And not having full support for apps on the Mac is not going to hold them back.
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I mean, clearly that's what Apple is thinking about at this point, right?
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They have WhatsApp in their sites.
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There's no doubt about that.
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But as someone who like that's,
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and maybe this is the problem,
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I just don't want what they want.
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I think it is gonna be frustrating for users
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and like that's always,
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like if Apple's gonna go after WhatsApp, for example,
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I think that's fine, like it's great.
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Like they should, as a platform vendor,
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there should be a really good first party messaging solution
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but the iPhone's not Apple's only platform.
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And it's, that's where my frustration comes in a little bit
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And I'm sure that if they see great success in mobile,
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then it's gonna take off and they can put more resources
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into it and it'll become a bigger part of their company
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and then I think the Mac will benefit from it.
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But at this stage at least, I think there's just going
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to be this weird dichotomy.
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'Cause they brought it halfway there.
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- It is so weird, right?
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Because what you just said I totally agree with.
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They'll see if it takes off.
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they surely already know this. They know how many people use messages right now and that's
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got to be enough.
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Well they said it's the most used application on the iPhone.
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So if nobody's using it on the Mac or they've just decided that this is something they don't
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think is important, right? Because they obviously also know how many people use it on the Mac
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and maybe that difference is massive. I doubt that but it's just such a weird thing. I mean
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maybe there isn't an easy way to make it work so maybe that what they did need to
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do was to build some kind of like pseudo UI kit that only works with the messages
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app store if that's what I wanted to do.
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Well they have that in photos they have UX kit but what I think the
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reason is so strange is that whatsapp is just a mobile application like
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whatsapp and Facebook messages are just iPhone apps.
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Well messages... They have web apps now but yes the point is correct they are
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effectively just mobile applications. Right. Messages started life really as
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iChat like at least from the Mac user perspective messages got bolted on to
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something else that was already there and then to break that and like diverge
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down a different path. I understand why they're doing it, I'm not arguing why they're
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doing it. It's just like a point of contention I feel that it's like there's
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this weird stress between where Apple wants to go and where they are today.
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- And how do you get there?
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- It's like the Mac app is kind of like
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hanging onto the ankles, right?
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It's like dragging messages back.
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It is weird, it's weird,
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'cause it's weird that you have any support, right?
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You put some in, but it's not really good enough.
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- But that support is really
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why I moved everything to iMessage.
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Before, SMS was useful, but if you were at work all day,
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and a lot of people, we're lucky,
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a lot of people can't use their phones at work.
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but we're like, there are rules against it,
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active rules against it if you're sitting
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at a desk somewhere, someplace secure.
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But if it's on the Mac, maybe it's fine.
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And so for me, I think one reason I have used iMessages
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and don't sign into AIM anymore
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is because it's just at the computer.
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And when I pick up my iPhone or tablet, it's there.
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And that's just gonna be a strange experience.
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And maybe it's not as big of a deal as I think it is.
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Like this part of my thought process says,
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it's really cool that all these apps are there
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and we're gonna play with them for a while
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And then we're just all going to use stickers.
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And like, we're not going to be doing productivity, we're not going to be building virtual ice
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cream cones together, even though I want to do that with the two of you guys very badly.
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We can do it in real life if we want to.
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Yeah, a lot.
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I just want to posit one productivity thing.
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An app that can schedule calendar events?
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That'd be awesome.
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I'm thinking, see, I'm thinking about that stuff.
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events, sharing tasks on something like Trello for example, or sharing files. I'm pretty
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sure developers will come up with all kinds of crazy ideas, which is why I mentioned we'll
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have to see if App Review likes what is going to happen or if it will be like a repeat of
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what happened with widgets and custom keyboards a couple of years ago. We'll see, I don't
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know. It's going to be fun. Hopefully Apple learned from their own mistakes and it's
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are going to happen again, we'll see. We'll discover the truth in three months.
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Truth is out there. Truth is in the cloud.
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You just gotta keep waiting for the betas. File those radars, right?
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Yeah, always file the radars. Always file the radars.
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It really does matter to people at Apple and all the teams. They worked really hard on
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this, so file a radar. If you want to find our show notes for this
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week's episode, head on over to relay.fm/connecty/97. Oh my word, 97. Are we prepared at all for
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episode 100? Don't think so. Nope. If you have any ideas, let us know. If you want to
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find Federico online, he is @vitiici on Twitter, and he writes over at maxstories.net and is
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the host of Canvas and Remaster as well on relay.fm. Two great shows that you should
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check out. Stephen is @ismh on Twitter and he is at 512pixels.net and also the host of
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Lift Off and Ungeniusd as well. You should check those shows out, they're a lot of fun.
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I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E. I host too many shows to mention but they are also on Relay.fm as
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well. You should, you know, go check them out. They're lots of good shows on Relay.fm.
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Thanks again to our sponsors this week, the great people over at Braintree, willing.com
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and Ministry of Supply. But most of all, thank you for listening. We'll be back next time.
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Until then, say goodbye, gentlemen.
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Arrivederci.