104: Our Anniversary Birthday
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From Relay FM and live from Memphis, Tennessee, this is Connected episode 104.
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Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace, FreshBooks, and Pingdom.
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My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined across the table by a man whose voice is not joining me,
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but he's here, Mr. Stephen Hackett.
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Hey Myke, how are you?
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I'm very good, how are you? You sound so healthy today.
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I have laryngitis, and so this is better than it was on Monday when I got here.
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I can only whisper, so I'm improving, but it's still pretty bad.
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Yeah, this is a good idea that we run the show a little bit later on this week,
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because earlier this week there would have been no show. It would have just been me monologuing
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We were talking about, is it a connected when it's only one host? Because connected can happen
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if any two of us are available. But if it's you and somebody else, it's a different podcast.
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We joked about just splitting upgrade in half, like recording for two hours, splitting it
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in half and putting them both out. But I'm glad we're here because today, August 18th,
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is the second anniversary/birthday of our company, Real AFM. So congratulations to you.
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Congratulations to you.
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Oh, thank you so much. So kind. And Google has helped us. They have helped us celebrate
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today by allowing us to use Google Docs again because we can now ask the question and get
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the answer we need. Is Google Docs updated for split screen on iOS 9?
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It is. So we went back into this document yesterday to prepare our notes and the last
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time we were in here was episode 77.
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And we're now 104. So we have stayed away for a while and we are back and I've got to
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say like I know it's taken them a long time. I'm still really annoyed about it but I'm
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already more productive on my iPad because I can use Sheets and Docs split
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screen especially Sheets because I'd found things and we'd found things to
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replace Docs in some cases we're talking about paper last week we spoke about
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Quip in the past and there was even a chance that I was just gonna start using
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collaborative Apple Notes at some point yeah so we'd found things to replace
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that but the stuff that we use Google Sheets for like spreadsheet
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collaboration there's nothing else no anything that there is it's trying to be
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something else like Airtable which is really great for what Airtable does but
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Airtable is more of a database than a spreadsheet and we just needed stuff
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that we could keep running totals and lists of things that could be calculated
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and there was really nothing else that could do it as well so Google Sheets is
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now updated and it makes me super happy. Me too. I'm already honestly like
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within a day I was more productive like putting this document together
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together today, we have an IFTTT action that searches hashtags. So we were using the RelayQA
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hashtags later on in the show today. We're going to be doing some question and answer
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about RelayFM because of our anniversary birthday. And I was able to have sheets on one side,
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docs on the other, and just very quickly copy and paste them. When I do that for like upgrade,
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because we do the Ask upgrade every week, but we use that action as well. It searches
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day fttt puts them into a sheet. I'm copying them, alt tabbing, pasting, alt tabbing, copying.
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Like, it was just frustrating. It doesn't take that much longer to do, but it's just
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frustrating. And you do it several times a week. Yeah. So I'm just really happy that
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we got it now so we can finally go back to it. Agreed. It's good news, it took a long
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time, but I gotta hand it to them. It works pretty well. There's no, at least I haven't
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seen maybe you have any weirdness like some apps kind of get like Instapaper
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does this where if you like change the width the text doesn't reflow correctly
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and is that they seem to have gotten it right. I feel like I know why it's taking
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them as long as it has because they're using some custom UI and some custom
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engine to do a lot of this stuff. Yeah no doubt. But I still don't forgive the
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fact that it's taking them a year to do it because it's Google it's they're one
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of the biggest companies in the world. You got people. They should have been able to
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put the engineering effort into this but it's back again and at least iOS 10
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doesn't bring any features yet which are like this important right like
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fundamentally so hooray I want to provide a correction some follow-up
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about logitech case I got the weights wrong the logitech case is 0.9 pounds
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not 1.5 pounds so it's a big difference this actually brings it into slightly
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under the weight of the MacBook when you put Logitech create 9.7 with the iPad
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Pro so it makes it just under. I still have it and I would like it to be. I don't
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know why I got these weight weights wrong I actually think the Logitech
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website wasn't updated correctly because I copied and pasted the information so
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I think it's that they actually put the weight of the bigger one. I think
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probably so um and it is bulky so I've been I've been using a little bit on
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your iPad it definitely adds more weight and thickness to the iPad than I want initially
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but it's not as bad as I was afraid it would be because that 12.9 one is so bulky. They're
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doing a good job at it. It is no bigger than it really needs to be and the keyboard is
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just amazing.
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So it's bulkier, it's heavier, the springboard crashes were fixed after an iOS beta update?
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I actually think that Apple fixed the bug affecting this keyboard.
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So, well it was on the smart keyboard as well.
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So anything over the smart connector seemed to make Springboard need to take a little
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But I'm keeping it.
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And I'm keeping my iPad in it all the time because I love this keyboard so much.
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I brought it with me on this trip, decided to give it a real good go.
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And the weight is a trade off.
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is less convenient and less portable because of this,
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but the keyboard is so fantastic
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and the backlighting I absolutely love.
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So I'm gonna keep it.
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So on the plane I was reading
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and I just popped it out of the case
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and just put the case down
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and was just holding the iPad in my hands and it was fine.
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I've been watching video by having it just like
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in the keyboard orientation
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and just having it on my lap watching video.
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The thing is way more stable when on my lap,
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which is really good.
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and the keyboard is a joy to use
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and I love all of the functions keys.
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I love that I have brightness.
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I love that I have volume controls
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and all that stuff just on there.
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Yeah, I really love it.
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But whilst we're on keyboards,
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I actually have one more keyboard thing to talk about.
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- Which is the Razer mechanical keyboard.
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- So we spoke about this weeks ago.
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- Austin Evans, the YouTuber whose video
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we linked to previously,
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he sent me his, 'cause he didn't want it.
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And he heard us talk about it
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and he decided to send it to me, and I hate it so much.
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I hate this product.
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I have no other way to say it, it's huge.
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Everything's way too big,
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'cause it's like a huge laptop.
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Like it feels bigger than like a 13 inch MacBook Pro
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for some reason, like it's just huge.
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I can't comfortably use it on my lap
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because you have the big base of the keyboard
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and then like the stand comes off the end,
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so when I put it on my lap,
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the stand is hanging over my knees, which is not good.
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you need so much space for it.
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I think the keys are horrible.
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I don't know if maybe I don't know what mechanical keys
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are supposed to feel like, but these feel spongy to me.
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- My guess is that they set out to make
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the world's thinnest mechanical keyboard in name
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and maybe it's so thin you're not getting a lot of
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the benefits of an actual mechanical keyboard,
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like what Jason types on.
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You got springs and buckles and metal.
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And this thing seems to be trading some of that away.
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I haven't typed on it, you didn't bring it.
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You would need another suitcase to bring it.
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It sounds like it's so big.
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But yeah, it seems like maybe it's just not for everyone.
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But the Logitech that you like was a big hit on the Verge.
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Walt Mossberg really seems to like it.
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It's getting good reviews elsewhere.
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So it seems like if you don't want this smart keyboard, which
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is polarizing to a degree, right?
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It's using those stainless steel dome caps.
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It's covering the fabric.
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It's kind of weird.
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if that's a little too far away from what you want,
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it really sounds like the Logitech
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is the way to go at this point.
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- Yeah, I completely agree.
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Like, this Razer One is crazy.
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And I know there are different products,
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different devices, but I think that probably
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even the Logitech Create for 12.9 will be better.
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Like, I even felt like the keys don't feel even.
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Like, when I press them, they seem to like,
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move down one side more than the other.
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- I'm sure that's fine.
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- And the stand that's on the back, the little kickstand,
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It doesn't sit flush to the case.
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It like is angled off the case, which is just terrible.
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The open keyboard button is where
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the right arrow key should be.
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So every time I press the right key,
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what I think is gonna be the right keyboard button,
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the software keyboard pops up.
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Everything is terrible about this product.
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So, but thanks Austin for sending me it.
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Now I don't know what to do with it.
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So up next today, let's address a question from Max.
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So Max wrote in and said,
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"I wonder how do you store important private documents
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like bank statements on your iPads and iOS devices. On my Mac I use an encrypted disk
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image but I would like to move to a more mobile maybe iCloud based approach. Stephen what
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do you do? So I really have two levels. The stuff that I just need to reference. I actually
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save in 1Password. So 1Password you can save documents within your encrypted 1Password volume
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if you will. Now where that breaks down is that that's not a document provider. So things
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that have in there, like take example, I have PDFs of the wills that my wife and I have.
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That's not a document that I'm ever editing, right? I need it as reference at some point.
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I need to know that it's secure, but it's not a, what I would call like a living document,
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I'm not going in and out of it. Everything else lives on Dropbox. Now I do have two-factor
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authentication turned on for Dropbox. So you need my password, which is a one password,
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generated password, and you need my phone. It's not completely bulletproof, right? And
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you really need super sensitive information maybe that's not enough but
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I feel like for me it is. So I don't know maybe Max's stuff is more sensitive
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than mine is and he's not willing to use Dropbox or iCloud like that. As far as I
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know and if the listeners know something please get in touch because we want to help Max
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out. As far as I know from looking around there's not really anything on iOS like
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what he's doing on the Mac. We have an encrypted disk image that you once you
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reject the volume it's just a bundle and no one can get into it so I don't really
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know the answer but for me one password for like static storage of you know like
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I have scans of our passports in there that sort of stuff and then Dropbox with
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with two-factor authentication feels like enough for me at least I don't do
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anything like this like I either keep stuff in Dropbox which is secured by my
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thumbprint and I mean on iOS like a four digit passcode which is amazing yeah or
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or it's being saved in 1Password.
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But outside of that, I don't really have anything special
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that I'm doing.
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But to be honest, I don't really keep a lot of that type
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of stuff on anything.
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My bank statements are held up my bank.
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Yeah, so you're not downloading a lot of that locally
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to carry around.
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I mean, frankly, I've been doing a lot more of that recently
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with the house stuff.
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but I'm just keeping Dropbox folders
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because I either need to share those folders with Adina.
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- It's just all staying in Dropbox.
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- That's a good point.
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That's another angle of this where
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if you have something that is private but shared--
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- Then it's even more difficult.
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- Yeah, so if anyone has any good suggestions from Axe,
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please let us know.
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Alright so there has been a whole slew of rumours about the next iPhone over the last
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couple of weeks and you know whilst we know this stuff it's all rumour, it's all conjecture,
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there are a couple of things in here that are interesting enough that I wanted to touch
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on them today, the main one being a blue iPhone. Now I've never heard of iPhone in Canada,
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I've never heard of this site before, but they purport to have a blue iPhone, I think
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this is the Plus model, it looks like the bigger model because it's got the dual camera
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set up, and they have it in a bunch of arrangements. Now they've taken a bunch of photos of it,
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and then the kind of the layout for the dual camera is matching a lot of the case leaks
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we've seen. So let's just assume this is real for the sake of this discussion.
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Okay. What do you think of the blue iPhone?
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I like the blue a lot. You know we've spoken a lot over time about having options in the
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iPhone line and Jason has talked a lot about this as well. That for a long time it was
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just black or silver and then they added gold and now they've added rose gold and so to
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a fifth option. You know we're getting to a point where this is true there
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actually are a lot of options and colors for the iPhone. As far as this particular
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phone I really like this blue and I think it would be nice to offset the gold
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and rose gold with something a little bit a little bit darker. Again like this
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has the black cover glass on the front which I like I don't really don't care
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for the white glass above and below the screen. I think I'm in the minority there
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but it'd be nice to have another darker option and I think it looks great and I
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I think if it's real, it's definitely something
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that I would be tempted by,
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having carrying space gray phones for a long time,
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it'd be nice to have another option.
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- So one of the things that I find weird about these leaks,
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though, is the fact that the front of it is black.
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Why would they do that?
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History has shown, and I know things can change,
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but every color gets white, and it's just interesting to me
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that they would put the blue with the black.
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I don't know why they would do that.
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Clearly the white sells well,
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which is why every other color is white.
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But I'm cool with that because I haven't had
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a black iPhone in a bit.
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I'm looking forward to maybe getting this blue
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'cause I like it, I think it looks really nice.
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I was probably gonna go rose gold for my next iPhone,
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but I may go blue just because it's different
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and it looks pretty cool.
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- And it's a way to signify you have a new iPhone
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if the design stays more or less the same.
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- So that's one of the reasons
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I think they're doing a new color.
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It's because the new color shows the new iPhone.
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They did it with the rose gold, right?
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They brought the rose gold out for the S
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because it shows new phone.
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It's just a visual way when the phone isn't changing
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to show that you have a new phone.
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So I reckon that they're pro,
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I'm pretty confident they're gonna do this
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because as well, the colors that they've added,
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gold and rose gold, traditionally skew more feminine.
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So I think that they may go with a blue
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to try and balance that out a little bit more.
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Now, I mean, I don't think that that's necessarily
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the case for everyone.
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Like I know that, I mean, I have a gold iPad,
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I want a rose gold phone,
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but I think that they're just going with the trends.
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I think maybe more guys would buy the blue one
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over the pink one, because that just tends to be
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how our brains are wired to work by mass media.
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Now we don't need to get into that discussion,
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but I think that they may be going with blue
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as just a different color.
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I would like to see it maybe be a bit brighter,
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like I just want more vivid color in my devices these days,
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but I think this is really cool.
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But this isn't the only rumors,
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this isn't anything that comes out
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over the last couple of days.
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There's also a discussion about
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what devices we're gonna see.
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A lot of the earlier rumors were hinting towards
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there being an iPhone Pro,
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and there being then three devices.
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You have the regular 7, then the 7 Plus,
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I assume it's called the 7 and then the 7 Pro.
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And some of the case leaks that we'd seen
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showed an iPhone plus size with a smart connector on it.
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But now 9 to 5 Mac is saying that that won't be happening.
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So here's my question.
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Will there be no third iPhone, or will there
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be no iPhone with a smart connector on it?
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My guess is that Pro and smart connector are kind of linked.
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And so if we don't see a Pro model,
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we won't see a smart connector on the iPhone.
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And I had a lot of questions about that anyways, like,
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what would you be using a smart connector for on an iPhone?
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Like, are they gonna ship a really tiny keyboard?
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Or are they gonna ship some other adorable tiny thing?
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- I thought maybe like battery case, speaker case.
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Like, they might go down the route that like--
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- The modular thing, like LG is doing it with the G5.
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- The Motorola one.
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- Yeah, the Droid Force or Z or something,
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one of those has it now.
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I think that's really trendy,
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I don't see Apple going down the road.
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I don't either, but like it's like where what could you do with it and like there's some things you could do with it
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But I think it's that's a little bit too fiddly. I agree
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So I don't you know, but I mean you look at it right now
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The pro doesn't really have a lot of stuff that it does
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They only needed essentially one idea for what a smart connect could do and it would have been enough enough. Yeah
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And so yeah, I think I think we'll see the seven tiny pencil
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What do we think you tiny pencil and we'll see the seven plus with this dual camera set up
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So assuming this is this is accurate regular phone and then the plus you're gonna stay in the plus Club cool Sam
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And I can't wait for all of the people that begrudgingly join us when this dual cameras thing is only in the plus
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Yeah, and it plus plus Club is gonna get a resurgence later on this year. I'm so excited
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I'm just so happy to see people like Jason and Gruber like begrudgingly move over to the plus Club
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Yeah after you know trying to put it down for so long
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Yeah, well, you know Myke was right lives on
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Yes, forever. And let's talk about their headphone jack for a moment, right?
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Okay. What we've seen and what a lot of people thought we'd see is we'll get a
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second speaker and all of the parts leaks including the renders that we've
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seen and the device that we've maybe seen with the blue one shows two speaker
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grills, parallel speaker grills. Right. So seeing that would hint second speaker.
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However, Apple Insider has got some schematics from somewhere which suggests
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that that is purely cosmetic. The microphone is sitting behind that speaker
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grill. Apple! That makes me sad. I am now firmly in the camp of believing that
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they are removing the headphone jack now because the next phone that they're
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gonna be working on, this iPhone, 10 year anniversary iPhone, is gonna be the
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one with a brand new design it might go the route that John Gruber spoke about with the
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edge to edge or glass right and the capacitive home button like the false touch home button
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embedded in the display or something because they may be moving to this false touch home
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button for a reason that doesn't make any sense right now. I think that they are doing
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a bunch of these things to this phone to set up the next one because they don't want all
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of the headlines on the next phone to be "Apple removes the headphone jack" and that's a super
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Like a lot of people have a fundamental issue
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with me saying this because they have a view of Apple,
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which is perfection.
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- Well, I don't know, I mean sure, some people do.
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My problem with it is, is it Apple sells a silver product
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this year that people, that they need to sell?
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They can't sacrifice.
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- But they're not sacrificing it.
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They're still removing it anyway, right?
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If the headphone jack was ever gonna completely sacrifice it
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they were always gonna do it.
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And people will buy this phone regardless.
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it doesn't matter what they do.
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- And that's where the word sacrifice comes in.
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Like, if a lot of people skip this one for some reason,
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which would be stupid, right?
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So say that you don't buy this iPhone
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because of the headphone jack.
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Well, it's not coming back, right?
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Apple has never added something back.
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- You're not gonna push their hand to put the headphone back.
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- Right, really what I mean by that
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is that they would create something
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that wasn't as good as it could be on its own.
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And really, the headphone jack thing aside,
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really where that gets me is this second speaker
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because this is a feature that not only are all their competitors doing, all the flagship
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Android phones have two speaker systems and they all sound good, or just look at the iPad.
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They're already doing this on iOS devices.
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They have four in those.
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Yeah, and so if you're going to take the opportunity to redesign the bottom of the phone, yes, you
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do have to deal with putting the microphone somewhere and maybe it doesn't work if it's
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in the same very small space as the speaker for some reason.
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But I would have expected seeing this design
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that we would see two speakers.
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And I would say I think people who see it will expect it to.
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And if you go back to the original iPhone design
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and all the way up through, I think, the five,
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or whenever they changed it, for a long time,
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the bottom of the phone was symmetrical.
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You had the input, the 30-pin dock connector,
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and you had a grill on either side.
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And a lot of people assumed both were speakers because it looked that way.
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And now they're going to go back to that and they're still not going to be doing it.
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It's a little frustrating. I would like my iPhone to be louder.
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I like the speaker to be better. I like a lot of people. I think like you
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use just the iPhone speaker to listen to podcasts a bunch. Well I use the iPad speakers now
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because they're so good.
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Yeah, but it would be nice if the iPhone could be better and it seems like it's not going to be
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this time around. That's a little disappointing. So I don't think they're going to stand on stage
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and say it as a second speaker.
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right i don't think that they can say that it is second speaker i think they
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but i think they're creating a design that is deceptive and is deceptive on
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uh... a little bit and i i think that if there was a speaker that make a big deal
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out of it yet there will be there will be uh... basis to shame i mean it's just
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it's just a shame i think and
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i think i think one of the things that we're gonna feel about this this i'd
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this iphone is that
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it's a shame i think will be something that will mention about like her it's a
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It's a shame that it doesn't have a new design.
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It's a shame that they've taken the headphone jack away.
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But I think if the camera is as good as it probably could be, I think that could be awesome.
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Yeah, you know, I think that it will be a period of adjustment for people.
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And for me personally, the only time I really use the headphone jack is while I work out.
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And even in that scenario, my Bluetooth earbuds, which I own a pair, would be better.
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I just never remember to take them or charge them or anything.
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But for a lot of people who are using it in their cars,
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hardwired in is going to be an adjustment,
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or you got to buy a dongle to go from Lightning to 3.5
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There will be adjustment period.
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I think that it's a little early.
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Like if you look when they drop things like the floppy drive
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or the optical drive, they had really--
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with the optical drive, in particular with the MacBook Air,
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they had a really good case for, hey,
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We don't have to back up to DVDs.
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We have Time Machine.
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You don't need to watch movies on a disc.
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You can get it from iTunes.
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You can rent them from iTunes.
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It was in the same keynote.
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I don't know what that story is with the headphone jack.
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- Bluetooth.
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- But it's not, I don't think it's as good as a reason.
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- No it's not, but that's gonna be the reason.
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So this is the thing, the story you've painted
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is the way the presentation will go,
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but the implicit part in what you're saying
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is there was a good reason for it.
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but I don't think Bluetooth is, and I'm not alone in this,
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Bluetooth just isn't a good enough reason.
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So I will not switch to Bluetooth headphones until,
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like the only route that I see myself switching
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to Bluetooth headphones is if I could get
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a pair of Bluetooth headphones that do quick charging
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via the lightning port on my phone,
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because if I have Bluetooth headphones,
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I have battery anxiety constantly.
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Like when I leave the house with Bluetooth headphones,
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I have my earbuds in my pocket,
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Because if I'm out, I like to be able to listen to stuff.
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And if the battery dies, then there's nothing you can do
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because it charges by mini USB.
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Like where am I gonna do that?
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And my hope is that Apple create a new set of earphones
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that charge via the lightning port like the pencil does.
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Like it has a little male connector in there somewhere
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and you just unplug it, pop it in and it charges.
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That would be awesome.
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Otherwise, I'm just gonna stick to the probably
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lightning earbuds that they put in the box.
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The battery stuff is just something I don't want to have to deal with.
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I think a lot of people would be there.
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There was a report that Apple was working on, like low power Bluetooth stuff, but the
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thing with Bluetooth, it's always going to be better next year, like the promise every
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And it is better than it used to be, but it's not good enough.
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And having a headphone jack, there's no power draw, hardly at all.
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Or if you're streaming with Bluetooth, it's noticeable.
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So Rosemary in the chat room has said that she sees the battery level in notifications
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for our Bluetooth headphones so it's not an issue and I totally get that like it's
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possible to see the battery I just don't want to have to think about another
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battery in my life I have to think of the batteries of everything I know my
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watch yet the thing I put on my wrist the computers that I use the things that
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I have in my pocket I don't want to also have to think about my headphones as
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another battery thing I have to worry about like it having a battery in there
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but me being able to just plug it in and quick charge it that works perfectly for
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- So Myke, you bought something on your trip.
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- Yeah, I got a tattoo yesterday.
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I got a Relay FM focused tattoo.
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So it's a piece of artwork that we've used
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at Relay Con on the badges that we had
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which will be available for sale soon.
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And it is, in essence, the simplest representation
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of our artwork.
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So it is a round rack with a circle in the middle,
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which is some kind of artwork entity.
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The two black lines are the name of the show,
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then the subtitle of the show,
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and the triangle on the top left,
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which is where the Relay FM logo goes on our artwork.
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So this is basically our designer, Frank,
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he has a template and like a grid system that he developed.
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And this is like, if you take that grid system
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and just put something where the things need to go,
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this is the simplest representation of our artwork
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that you can have.
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And I didn't want to get the Relay FM logo tattooed on me.
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I just didn't want the logo.
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- Because I feel like that's just a bit much.
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but our artwork is most likely gonna always look like this
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because this is just how podcast artwork tends to be,
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with like a piece of artwork and a name.
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it feels like that changing would be less of an effect
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than the company logo changing.
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Because this just symbolizes podcast to me.
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Like ATP, right?
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They're not a real AFM show,
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but their artwork kind of looks like this, right?
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Because a big circular thing in the middle
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with the name of the show underneath it.
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This just looks like podcast to me.
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- Yeah, they use an antique computer on their artwork.
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- Yeah, it should be one in your collection, I think.
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So I'll put a link in the show notes so you can go and see my tattoo.
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I took a picture of it last night and right now it's very rustly as I have saran wrap on my arm.
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So it's your first one?
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It's my first tattoo.
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You got some catching up to do with me.
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It is actually my first. I already know my next one.
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Yeah, that's how it goes.
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Yeah. I mean this is the my next tattoo it was an idea that I'd had a long time ago but just never did it.
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And then I saw this artwork and immediately knew that this is what I needed.
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So now I have a real AFM tattoo and I wanted to do it whilst I was here in Memphis.
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I decided to do this a couple of months ago,
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but I wanted to do it whilst we were together
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and whilst we were celebrating our second anniversary.
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So now I have a real AirFam tattoo on my body.
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- So today is two years from the launch of the network.
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And we, per our tradition, we did this last year,
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and we did it at launch.
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We thought we would do some question and answer,
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which is really why I'm here today.
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You didn't need me for the first half of the show.
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I could be asleep.
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- But we're gonna do Q&A.
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If this goes south, you will just ask me
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yes and no questions.
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you're just going to do like a system of tapping on the desk to indicate yes or
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uh... said you want to uh...
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so it is i'm going to all school the question is that
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and then maybe you can give some answers okay thank you the first one comes from
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rob and rob on school what has been your favorite podcasting moment in the last
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for me the the my favorite single moment
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was when i introduced gray on stage at relaycon yeah because it was a surprise
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that we'd been working on for a while and we managed to keep it secret. So when I was
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able to call him up on stage, that was a really fun thing for me because it was very unexpected
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for the people there and also for the people listening. So I think over the last year that's
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probably been my favorite moment and also the thing that I was the most nervous about
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standing on stage and introducing him. Yeah I think RelayCon for me is also the highlight
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of our year. We worked on it for a really long time. It was a lot of effort to make
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it happen and when we looked out on that crowd and the bar was full and there were people
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standing in the back and we had a wait list of hundreds of people we couldn't get in,
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it was a big success. And that meant a lot to me, meant a lot to the company, meant a
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lot to both of us. And by far, hands down, probably in the two years, honestly, that
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event for me has been the highlight so far. Kathy asked what goal do you have
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for year three that wasn't even on your mind until this year? So without going
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into too many details some of the numbers that we aim for now from like an
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audience size and a financial size they're numbers that I never could have
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imagined that we would have achieved. We've you know without trying to blow
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our own trumpet too much we've been very successful over the last couple of years
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and we've built something that we're really proud of and just some of the numbers that we're looking at it doesn't it doesn't even make
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any sense to me and also like something that we've been talking about this week is
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thinking about me and Steven getting some help some like administrative help as we're trying to like do more and
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Things like that. It just doesn't it just is mind-blowing to me that we're now in a position where we're like a real company
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Yeah, I mean I think for me I think we have some ideas
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For shows and for projects I'll call them projects
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That we would not have tackled a year ago that we're now talking about doing. Yeah, that's true. We
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Not we're trying to not have as many shows launch this year's the coming year as we did in the previous year
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Just because we I think it gets to a certain point and we can't manage all of the shows
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As well as we would like if we had too many
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But we have we have a new project
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very new very early stage that we were talking about over the last couple of days, which is
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Ambitious very ambitious and if we were able to pull it off I
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Will be it would have very much surprised last year's Myke
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Yeah, I thought that this was a type of thing that we'd be able to do. So
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Yeah, we've got that one Zach asked what iOS podcast clients did the relay hosts prefer for day-to-day listening?
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I use overcast. I know you use overcast
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I think on the whole it's split between overcast and pocket casts for everybody
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on the network. I'm hoping Castro starts to bump in there as I was talking about
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an upgrade of JSON. I'm so close for Castro to me because there are just some
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things about this application which is so like fundamental to the way that I
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listen to podcasts but I need an iPad app so we'll see what they do there but
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yeah it's mainly overcast and pocketcast right now. Parker wanted to know how we
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we first met. This is probably a story we've told a few times and... On mind dating. Yep.
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Over history I feel like I don't really remember it as well anymore but I know
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that... I mean I... I know. Okay I don't remember. Yeah so you you interviewed me on
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the bro show. So I reached out to you then to ask you to be on my first podcast. Yeah.
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And we talked about the iPad and we stayed in touch. I think we hit it off really well
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in the air. And then you were writing for a website at the time that I started doing
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some app reviews for as well. Yeah. And we went from there, we did our first show together
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on Genius which we've now brought back if you're not listening to Shame On You. And
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and we did the 512 podcast, which is the precursor to the prompt, and we just went from there.
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So it started with an interview and now we have a company together.
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That's how these things go, kids. Watch out when you're doing those interviews, because
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you might end up tied to someone for the rest of your life.
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Next up, from Danny. Danny asked, "Do any of you use Marco's fancy file matching tool?"
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So this is something he's been speaking about on ATP a bunch.
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The tool that he uses to take WAV files and match them up to affect drift.
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I don't do it because I can't use command line stuff properly.
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I use it a little bit if I run into trouble but most of the time the stuff I'm editing,
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so I only edit living behind the scenes, I only edit currently ungenius and liftoff and
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both short and they're both only two people so generally I can do it manually and I'm
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So a couple people mentioned in chat did we say that Federico wasn't here today?
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I don't think we did.
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Federico's at the beach.
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Yeah he's on summer vacation right now.
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I think he's writing his iOS review in the sand so this year this is a special feature
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for local Club Max Stories members.
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You just go read his review it's being written on a beach.
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He's writing it with a stick in the sand so that's gonna be nice.
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seems like a not a good way to back up your text. It's fine don't worry about it, he's
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taking drone photos of it. Yeah so Federico's on holiday so that's just the two of us today.
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Sorry Federico. Kate wanted to know what has the experience of running Relay been like
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compared to what you expected when you started. So this morning me and Steven were being a
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little misty eyed and we were talking about the day before we launched. So the day before
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we launched we had like a letter that we published at Relay.fm. Yeah, week before. Week before.
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before and it kind of just said what because we hadn't spoken about what we were doing
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we when we left five by five we just went quiet for a bit to get this stuff ready and
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then about a month later we published this website which had just this open letter on
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it and it kind of said who we were and what we were doing what we were looking to try
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and achieve with relay FM and then it listed the shows and it was analog which was the
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the first new show, Connected, Virtual,
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Inquisitive, and the Pen Avic.
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They were our five shows.
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So that's the thing that I can't believe now
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is we have like 25 nearly.
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So we have five times the amount of shows,
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many more hosts than that,
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maybe six or seven times the amount of hosts, if not more.
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And it's kind of a daunting thing to think about now
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if i was to go back then and tell myself that
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we were able to manage it pretty nicely now because we kind of over in the
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flow of things in the group
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it's a funny thing to think back to the five that we started with
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and that being like an impossible number in the size of a company her now we have
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i think the big
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change in experiences that we're both now doing it as our jobs
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and where we started relay
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we both had nine to five jobs,
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and we were doing it after work,
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in the evenings, on weekends,
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and now, as of a year ago, we're both in it full time.
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And that's been a huge change,
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and because of that, we've been able to grow it
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the way we have.
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If we were still having nine to five jobs,
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there's no way Relay would have 25 podcasts.
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- So the funny thing is, though,
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I never had a doubt in my mind
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that it would be my job one day,
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like this would do it.
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Like, I was convinced.
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otherwise i would never have done this.
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Like if I didn't think that this was gonna be the thing,
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we would have never started it.
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And I know that it was difficult
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and I didn't know when it was gonna happen,
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but I really believed we could do it.
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But it happened quicker, much quicker for both of us
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than I expected.
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I thought it was gonna be a couple of years,
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but I was convinced that this would be the path
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for both of us.
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- Yep, same.
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- Oz asked, if you could have any guest in the world
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for any show on your network, who would it be and why?
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Do you have one?
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I was thinking you might have someone
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space related or something.
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- I mean, I have some dreams for particular shows.
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So like, it'd be fun to have some astronauts like Tim Peake
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or, you know, Chris Hadfield on "Lift Off."
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That'd be a lot of fun.
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On this show, you know, it would be really daunting,
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but it would be fun to talk to an Apple executive.
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Not that we would get anything amazing out of them,
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but it would be a real honor,
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and it would be like a real holy cow type moment.
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But I don't hang my hat on any of those things.
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I'm proud of everything we do now.
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Like I don't consider having something like that on a show
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like an actual goal.
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Like it would be amazing,
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but it's not something I strive for.
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- I mean, there are certain Apple executives
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of course we'd love to talk to.
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Mine would be Ive, speak to Jonathan Ive.
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- Yeah. - Sir Jonathan Ive.
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- Wow, put that in there.
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- Yep, and then maybe somebody like Stephen Fry,
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you know, is someone I've always wished I could talk to,
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and also for me, Adam Savage.
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They kind of, they're like the people that--
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- I'll second you on Adam Savage.
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- If I could talk to Adam Savage, Stephen Fry,
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and Johnny Ive, I would be pretty, I'd be pretty happy.
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- There you go.
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- So as a company, we tried our best to make money.
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Some of that is through sponsorship, which we do.
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Some of that is through membership,
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which we'll talk about later.
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But one of the things we have to do with all of that
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is send our invoices, and we use FreshBooks for that,
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and they are our sponsor for this week.
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- Nice. - It's good segue, right?
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- It's good. - FreshBooks are on the mission
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to help small business owners save time
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and avoid the stress that comes with running their businesses
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and I, we, can completely attest to the fact
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that they do this every single week.
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I am happy that I use FreshBooks
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because their invoicing is so pain-free.
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You can get an invoice set up and sent out in 30 seconds.
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It saves all, you can save in all of the different line items.
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So like I have all of our shows saved into FreshBooks.
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So I just choose to show and it fills out the prices
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and everything automatically.
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All of our clients, all of the companies that we bill,
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that's all saved in there.
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It's so, so simple to get them sent out.
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And what our sponsors love is we make it very easy
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for them to pay us because with FreshBooks,
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you can integrate so many different ways.
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You can integrate card payments, PayPal payments,
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they have their own payment information.
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You can put on how to be paid by check,
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how to be paid by bank transfer.
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You can put all of this stuff
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And this is why FreshBooks customers
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We were laughing about this the other day.
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FreshBooks pays so quickly,
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which is really funny to me.
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Like as a company, they pay us super quick.
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And it's because they love their invoices
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as much as we love sending them.
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FreshBooks can also help you keep track of your expenses.
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You can automatically import your bank transactions
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for easy reconciliation.
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know Steven lives in that section. They have great reports so I like their reports. I can
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log in and on my dashboard at FreshBooks it tells me who is 60 days overpayment, who is
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it. And I can also get automatic chasers set up on the invoices. You know when people have
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for anything, they also do time tracking as well, you should check out FreshBooks. It
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everything, right, like a sponsorship is not us saying, like we don't come in here and
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no credit card required for that trial at all thank you so much to Freshbooks for their
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support of this show and Relay FM. Kevin wants to know which of us is Batman and which is
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Robin? So I was thinking about this I think you would be Batman because you're way more
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active than I am and probably stronger. I am out fighting crime at night. Yeah and I
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don't do any of the crime fighting. And my voice sounds like Batman. That's true can
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Can you just say it like I'm Batman?
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Where's the trigger?
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But you have your own answer.
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I think Casey is Robin.
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And we're both Batman.
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There you go.
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We share the Batman duties and Casey is our Robin.
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No, no, that's a pretty good question.
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The bigger question I think is, I'm going to deviate from the document, is if you, like
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what superhero, I guess, who would you want to be?
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to be yeah it feels I would be spider-man why cuz spider-man he his
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powers aren't so much that they completely take over his life right it
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like there are some superheroes where their superpower makes a physical change
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to their life which is unwieldy like the thing right or like Superman is huge is
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like this big huge guy spider-man she's a regular regular sized dude and he has
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all these awesome powers has this strength ten times of his size right
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which is awesome and he can web around the city and climb up walls I like it
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Spidey sense every good spider-man is the one hmm what about you um I think
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it probably be Batman because like Batman has no powers right he's just
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like a rich guy with that I don't like about Batman oh we're just gonna move on
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him um Chris asked cuz you're drinking water this time yep is there anything
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you would like to talk about the upcoming year for relay that we should get excited about?
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I think the only thing I can say that we're definitely gonna do
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that is not giving anything away is a bigger relaycon.
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So there will be more than one relaycon event next year saying that we will be doing another
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relaycon event in Atlanta for the Panadict, which was the first ever relaycon, and then
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we will do another RelayCon WWDC during like in San Francisco for WWDC week and we will
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get a bigger venue for that.
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And I would hope that we by the end of the year would be able to do one more.
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Yeah, I would agree with all that.
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You know San Francisco we had 150 tickets, we had 400 people on the waiting list currently.
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I mean clearly we could go bigger.
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We just wanted to start small, even that small event was expensive and we wanted to...
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We needed to do something we could cope with.
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you did an amazing job of it so I think I'm confident you got Batman's really
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good at planning parties that's true that's that's what that is he's actual
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superpower so Rosemary mentioned the London meetup was fun I'm not gonna say
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this right now but I might try and do a show next year in London like a live
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show yeah yeah I think it'd be fun because that's the thing we have meetups
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and we have really calm yeah really calm as a show yeah meetups it's just when
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we're hanging out. So by the way, I'm gonna be in New York this weekend. I'm gonna be
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doing a little meet up in New York City on Sunday.
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I can't make it.
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No, you weren't invited.
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On Sunday, what is Sunday, the 21st?
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It's at noon, Eastern Time, New York Time at this place. I'm very, very, very set up
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beer or beer authority I'll put a link to my tweet about this in the show notes
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but I'm gonna be doing a little meet up in in New York's I'm gonna be in New
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York this weekend so cool yeah so we do those and they're not really kind of
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events but we're gonna try and do more relay con events so yeah you can look
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out for those that's something that we know we're gonna do and it's not a big
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surprise. Walker asked when you set metrics for a new show or goals do you
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set the goals for downloads or sponsors or like for sponsor code uses or
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something else so when we have a new show we don't set goals we don't say to
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the hosts you have to hit 20,000 downloads for this show to exist because
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there are many reasons to have a show not all of them audience size not all of
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them a topic there's many reasons and a lot of the time for us it's like if it
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feels right and we can handle a new show of that type
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Or if you know, it's a topic everyone are going to so we don't set goals
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We have metrics for each show that we consider to be a success for that show
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like the level of which the pen addict is successful within its field is
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Maybe greater than this show even though the audience is smaller
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because if you think about the amount of people that there are that love pens and
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then the amount of people that love pens that understand technology enough to
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want to listen to a podcast about it we've probably got the majority of that
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audience yeah where whilst this show is a success we don't have the majority of
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the technology audience right so this show isn't as big as ATP right there was
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room to grow there but I don't think there is any show in the world about
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pens that is bigger than the pen addict so different shows have different goals
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depending on that show so we don't have a specific metric that we set set fair I
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think so yeah Graham asked what is the most terrifying and most exciting relay
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related moment in the past year 100% really con is one of those things really
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con San Francisco I was terrified yeah about everything 100% of the time but it
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was also one of the greatest moments of my life like that whole thing doing all
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of that it was just fantastic so yeah I think I think past really con I guess
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longer than a year now but when we launched shows like Mac Power Users or
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like the summer pilots that became Cortex and Rec. Diff's, I think those were
00:50:44
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all big moments as well. Bringing Jeff to the network of
00:50:47
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presentable isn't a whole one for me. Jeffrey Veen is such a
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renowned person in his field in design. Having Jeff as part of the network
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has been a really really great thing for me at the past year as well.
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as a new show. I mean I love all of our shows but we're able to with presentable
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break into some new new kind of worlds and and it's really renowned within the
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design world like some of the people that he talks to like executives at
00:51:19
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Facebook and Spotify somebody who works in the Hillary Clinton campaign. Yeah
00:51:22
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that's amazing guest list. Yeah it's a totally different type of show somebody
00:51:26
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said that it has a different feel which it does it does have a different feel
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and that's completely on, Jeff is naturally very very good at this and if you're not listening
00:51:36
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to presentable you should check it out because even if design isn't your thing so much it's
00:51:41
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just fascinating discussion so that's been another cool thing for me this year.
00:51:45
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I can't think what other shows have we launched this year, Free Agents is really good you
00:51:51
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should go check out Free Agents that's the new show.
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Canvas is a great addition.
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Disruption was the rebrand from Isometric.
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My word, it's less than or equal this year?
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I feel like it's been in the last year.
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That's a great show.
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We're happy to have that on the network and have a lean.
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Remaster was the rebrand from Virtual.
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Thoroughly Considered.
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Congratulations to the Studio Neat guys on the Glyph Kickstarter.
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Top 4 and Under the Radar.
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Under the Radar is coming up on a year.
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it's been crazy I think we like doubled this year yeah just about that's not
00:52:28
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gonna happen next year it can't yeah agreed I can't it's not that we wouldn't
00:52:32
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want to we just can't there's that there's no way we could be able to
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handle that so yeah I'm really happy I love all the shows that we've added in
00:52:39
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the last year I think we have I mean as you would like to assume from making it
00:52:44
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bigger but we have a very I think impressive stable and roster of shows
00:52:49
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and hosts right now which actually brings me to a great question from
00:52:53
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Yasmine is one of the hosts of material. Yasmine is great to ask this type of question and I'm pleased
00:52:59
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that she did. What things are you doing to ensure your network is diverse and goes beyond white men
00:53:03
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talking about Apple? So, there's a couple of things here I want to address. The Apple part of it,
00:53:08
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that is just where our network centers and we have shows that break outside of Apple.
00:53:14
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I think now we probably have, well we definitely have more shows that are focused on other things
00:53:19
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other than Apple technology. But one of the things, the perceptions of people is that
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the people that talk about whatever it is they're talking about, they tend to be focused
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more in the Apple world. Like, like I can tell by the differences, has John Cercuso
00:53:31
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on it? Yep. Top four has Marco on it. But Marco and Tiff never talk about Apple stuff.
00:53:37
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So there is a, there is a perception, um, and that is just about changing the host that
00:53:42
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we have. But there's also something to be said for fitting within a topic area, right?
00:53:48
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like material has somebody who is a prominent iOS developer and a prominent
00:53:55
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iOS commentator. So Russell and Andy are both still prominent in the
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Apple world as well as in the Google world. So we're kind of in
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that area. I'm not too fussed about really trying to break outside of that
00:54:09
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but there are more important things in Yasmin's question for me like the
00:54:15
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diversity part and the white and the men part so I think that we have made some
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really great strides from a gender perspective we're not where we would
00:54:25
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like to be we would like to be 50/50 or as close to 50/50 as we can be but we've
00:54:32
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I think that I mean I'm gonna say this I believe that relay FM is better than the
00:54:38
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tech podcast industry as a whole at gender diversity yeah but there's still
00:54:43
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more that we want to do to try and get to our goal. We have been at 50/50 and then it's
00:54:47
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diverged from that and then we're trying to get back closer to that again. So one of the
00:54:52
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things that we do, and we're doing it now more than ever, is when we have new shows
00:54:56
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in the works, we are looking at every decision that we make into how it will affect our diversity
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balance. So we were talking about we had a new show that we were working on, a new idea.
00:55:10
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This will have one host, most likely, and then maybe some contributors to it.
00:55:15
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So we want the contributors to be diverse, and also if we bring this person in, and we
00:55:20
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have them do this show, how will it affect our diversity balance, and what other changes
00:55:25
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do we need to make to the network to then balance that out.
00:55:28
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So right now, we have a show in the works that I'm going to be a part of, where we're
00:55:35
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bringing in one new female host, and my other co-host will be female as well, so I love
00:55:39
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to test which we've spoken about and there's been a pilot of that show. So that is bringing
00:55:43
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a new woman to the network and also making one new show that has two female hosts. So
00:55:48
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that's something that we're excited about. We're working with one other woman on a new
00:55:51
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show and we have some ideas and some people that we're considering contacting in the near
00:55:56
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future which are female to try and help balance that out. We then have to start thinking more
00:56:02
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about our racial diversity but right now we're focusing on gender because it's the thing
00:56:06
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that we can affect easiest quickest. So it's hard, it's really hard to find the balance
00:56:14
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because we need to balance what we feel is right and what we know we can make money with
00:56:19
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and the audience and the people that we're bringing in because frankly in our world of
00:56:23
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technology there are more men than women and so this is something we have to try our best
00:56:28
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to surface new talent, leverage people that have great audiences so we can build shows
00:56:34
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around them and we're trying to balance it that way so it's super difficult I
00:56:39
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hope that when you hear this you can hear how much we struggle with it and
00:56:43
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how important it is to us and I hope that when you hear me talk about these
00:56:47
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things you can see how important we do genuinely feel it is and how we believe
00:56:54
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that we have a part to play to try and make it better yeah absolutely and we
00:56:59
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didn't get it right at launch. No, it took us some time. And looking back,
00:57:04
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that was wrong on our part and we continue to strive to do that. Thankfully the
00:57:10
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world is different now in technology and this stuff is highlighted more and it is
00:57:16
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through having people like Yasmeen on the network who do hold us to task and
00:57:20
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whilst that is difficult it's something that I am very thankful that we have.
00:57:25
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that we have people in our roster of hosts that look out for this stuff with
00:57:30
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us and suggest it. I mean that's how we run as a company we love everybody to be
00:57:36
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involved and to give their opinions and we it's important to us that we try and
00:57:40
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make the best we can with that so thank you for that question Yasmin and I
00:57:44
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hope that there is a suitable answer in there. Justin asked how do you keep shows
00:57:50
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from getting stale or repetitive and Justin then complimented us that we do a
00:57:54
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great job with this. I don't think there's a magic formula. I think it's
00:57:59
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about feeling it. So you've got to be happy with what you're making and if
00:58:04
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you're happy with what you're making then you're probably doing something to
00:58:06
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try and keep it fresh. That's kind of how I feel about that. I would add to that
00:58:10
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that a lot of our shows, like this show, Connected, has really moved from a tech
00:58:16
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new show to a tech new show driven by personality and so people come to
00:58:21
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connected to hear the news and hear what's going on, but also to hear our
00:58:25
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take on it and to hear the interplay between the three of us who have been
00:58:29
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doing the show for a long time together who are really close. And that in of
00:58:34
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itself helps a show stay fresh because as our friendship evolves and as things
00:58:40
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come up in life and as you went independent and I went independent and
00:58:45
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Federico has taken on iOS reviews, like the way we frame things in the show has
00:58:49
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changed and that has just allowed us to evolve the show sort of without any like
00:58:55
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direct manipulation of what's going on it's just life has evolved and so the
00:59:00
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show has evolved. The Release Notes Twitter account of the podcast and
00:59:07
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conference asked as a Release Notes veteran what is Myke's advice for Steven
00:59:13
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as he prepares for his talk? So very recently Steven was announced as a
00:59:17
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a speaker at the release notes conference which I spoke at last year.
00:59:20
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Hopefully I sound better. I just want to say I keynoted. Just saying. Look at me.
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My advice to you Steven would be and this is to anybody who's giving any talks and
00:59:33
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this will also be for you Kathy because Kathy Mrs. Super in the chat room is
00:59:36
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gonna be speaking at all conference. Which is super awesome. Which I'm very excited
00:59:39
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excited about. So my advice is give your talk to someone who films you.
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Okay. Because you give it to somebody, one person is more scary than a group of
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people. Yeah. And when they film you, you can watch it back which is horrific. I
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bet. But it helps a lot. I would not suggest giving the talk to the person
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that I gave mine to which was Grey.
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- I'm not gonna do that.
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- Don't do that, that's horrible.
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Very useful, but horrible.
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- So I say find somebody you trust,
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somebody you trust that you know
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will give you honest feedback.
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- Right, he's not gonna candy code it
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if you're not very good.
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- That's why Grey was the right person for me,
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because I trusted that he would tell me if it sucked.
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- But yeah, the filming part is good,
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because it also adds a level of pressure to you as well.
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So that would be my recommendation there.
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- I'm super excited to be speaking.
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Really, since it's a great conference last year,
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like you said, your keynote is the first one.
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It was the smoothest first conference
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or event I've ever been to.
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You would never know that it was their first time.
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- It was amazing.
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They looked after me,
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they looked after everyone that was there.
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They had some really great ideas.
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I am very sad that I can't make it,
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but it's just a bad time for me on the calendar.
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But if you haven't got a ticket to release notes,
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you should go.
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It's good for app developers,
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but it's also good for anybody that has their own business.
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I learned some extremely valuable things that week.
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- That are staying with me today,
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just from people that are very smart
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to talk about their business.
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And just to say, we mentioned Steven is going there,
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but Steven isn't the only really FM host
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that's gonna be talking at release notes.
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Christina Warren of Rocket will be there,
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David Sparks of Free Agents and MacPow Users
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will be there as well, as well as some other great folk
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who are talking at the conference.
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- It's nice too to go to some of these smaller events,
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like all release notes, XOXO,
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CocoaConf, Yosemite.
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These events are really nice because WWDC is so busy.
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And if you're a developer, you are in sessions.
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And these conferences give you a chance to meet people
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and to talk to people outside of a regimented schedule.
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It's like Release Notes and XO and all these things
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have downtime built into the schedule.
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And you're supposed to mingle and meet with people.
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And the people that I met at Release Notes,
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people I met at XO last year who I'd only known from afar,
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like on Twitter or something.
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And you get to know them over a weekend at a conference,
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and you leave as friends.
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And that's really cool, and that's
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That's what I'm looking forward to with release notes is hanging out with some people and
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meeting new people.
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And our final question this week comes from Jimmy and Jimmy asked, "How big do you see
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with AFM in two years?"
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I have literally no idea anymore.
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We're bigger now than I thought we would be in two years, so I'm with you that I don't
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really know.
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Like Myke said, I don't think we're going to be doubling again as far as the number
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of shows, but I do think, and we said this last year, and we've been doing it, pushing
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into other topic areas.
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So we've got liftoff, which is about space.
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We had a material a while ago now,
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but breaking out of that mold has been important to us
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and we will continue to do that,
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to move away from just covering Apple
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and even consumer technology on the whole.
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I think we're gonna start adding things to that.
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And that's exciting to me.
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And so I think for me, I don't think about relay size
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anymore about the number of shows
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a number of hosts but the number of like topic areas or communities that Relay is
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a part of and for me I think that that will continue to to grow. Oh Lucas just
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asked in the chat room. Really the last question. I was hoping someone would ask
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this how do we come up with a name? It was terrible. There was multiple days of
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fighting trying to come up with names. We were together for part of it yeah and
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then you went home and it continued. Still couldn't come up with one that we
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both liked and then that we both liked and was available domain wise right and
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I couldn't remember how we learned on relay FM until recently when our
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designer Frank suggested he reminded me that it was his suggestion relay FM was
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his idea because we were so stuck at that point that we asked for his help
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and he came up with the name relay FM because it fit the things that we were
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looking for audio based technology based there are answers in both and then the
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the idea of the relay the things being passed from person to person like topics
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being passed from person to person the shows kind of all having a link between
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them all and that's any company between us yeah you know with the times are
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different so we had a name before that we both liked in hindsight it would've
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been limiting well we didn't do it it would have been designed limiting yeah
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but it was a trademark issue where it was not available and so we went with
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Relay and I have no regrets about that choice. No I like it I love it it's a
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word that exists that you can spell. One of the things that I think has changed a
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lot is we were very set at the start that we would always refer to it as Relay FM
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always refer to it as Relay FM and very quickly we started just referring to the
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company as Relay which is fine I don't think it's bad I don't think it's wrong
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but it was just funny that we were so set on it,
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it was always gonna be Relay FM.
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- And then I think within the first couple of days,
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we both just started calling it Relay.
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- Yeah, I try to, when I write as the company.
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- When I write, it's always Relay FM.
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- But yeah, just in conversation, it kind of becomes Relay,
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and that's fine.
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And you know, we get called on the press Relay.fm,
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which that one does bother me, but I can't control it,
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so what are you gonna do?
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- So before we wrap up today,
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I just wanted to mention again
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that our membership shows are now out.
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you will have gotten an email that has a link to the RSS feed that you can subscribe to
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which will hold your member content. So this will include now the many members only shows
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that we're posting over the next couple of weeks. We have so many, we're planning to
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just do this into August, we have so many that we may actually be bleeding over into
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September a little bit now which is amazing. So the Connected one is up. Connected was
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the first one and we've also as of today we have posted Analogue and Bonanza and today's
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one as we record this is the cortex upgrade crossover which I am so proud of.
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It is amazing. We did a text adventure in the wild west there is a trailer that's
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floating around it's we played it a cortex played an upgrade you should you
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should become a member to listen to this even if you just for all of these shows
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actually you should become a member so you can check them out we hope that you
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will stick around so you can go to relay.fm/membership to find out more
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and sign up we would really appreciate that you do this and also going forward
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you know we've done like show pilots and stuff where we've sent we've we did free
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agents this way we did canvas this way we'll be now posting those to this
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members only feed as well as some other stuff that might pop up so this has
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become a real benefit of being a member as you get this special members only
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like out of context content from your favorite hosts so you go check that out
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Alright, we'll be back next week. Is Federico back next week?
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Yeah, I think we're recording late in the week.
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Yeah, so he'll be back from vacation, so we'll be back together as a three, provided
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that Steven gets through whatever this is, and that I come back alive from New York.
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My arm hasn't fallen off. If you want to find the show notes for this week, head on
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over to relay.fm/connected/104. Thanks again to our great sponsors for this week's episode,
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the fine folk over at Freshbooks, Pingdom and Squarespace.
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If you wanna find Steven online, he is @ismh on Twitter.
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I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E.
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Steven writes over at 512pixels.net.
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And I am @mikewasright.com sometimes.
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Thank you so much to everyone that listens to this show,
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has been listening to this show over the 104 episodes,
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and the now two years that we've been doing this thing.
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So thank you so much for helping us
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and for allowing us to do this thing that we love
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by tuning in and supporting our sponsors
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and being our members and all of that stuff.
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I can't tell you how much it means to me
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that we're able to do this.
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And it's purely because all of you out there
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decide that you wanna tune in to listen to us.
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So thank you so much and we'll be back next time.