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169: My Fingers Are Still Moving

 

00:00:00   I don't think we let ourselves just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   idiots often now don't that we don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1">TS</a>]

00:00:04   feel like that's our core competency so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4">TS</a>]

00:00:10   i was using my iphone today I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/10">TS</a>]

00:00:12   sitting at i would guess thirty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/12">TS</a>]

00:00:15   battery life i am aware that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/15">TS</a>]

00:00:17   turn on battery percentage i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/17">TS</a>]

00:00:20   is the mark of a lunatic because all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/20">TS</a>]

00:00:23   that doesn't stretch me out when it's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   I'd rather not know anyway so I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/25">TS</a>]

00:00:27   sitting it i would guess about a third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/27">TS</a>]

00:00:29   battery life and I go to record a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/29">TS</a>]

00:00:32   of Declan we were walking around outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/32">TS</a>]

00:00:34   and as i'm recording the video they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/34">TS</a>]

00:00:37   I it's not that I was framing and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39   actively recording the video all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41   sudden phone turns off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/41">TS</a>]

00:00:42   mm okay that in and of itself is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/42">TS</a>]

00:00:44   unfortunately common but that was weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/44">TS</a>]

00:00:47   but ok so i go to turn the phone back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/47">TS</a>]

00:00:48   wait that's common well common enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/48">TS</a>]

00:00:51   that we're it's I don't want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/51">TS</a>]

00:00:55   functional high ground but it felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/55">TS</a>]

00:00:56   a functional high ground sort of sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/56">TS</a>]

00:00:58   occurrence right like oh that was weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/58">TS</a>]

00:00:59   but I'm sure once it reboots itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/59">TS</a>]

00:01:02   everything will be fine okay your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/62">TS</a>]

00:01:04   windows recency is showing like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/64">TS</a>]

00:01:06   they're not the headset is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/66">TS</a>]

00:01:07   acceptable behavior like the head that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   is not normal yeah well do before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12   show we were just talking about how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/72">TS</a>]

00:01:13   rebooting your your imac fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/73">TS</a>]

00:01:15   everything but that's neither here nor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/75">TS</a>]

00:01:16   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/76">TS</a>]

00:01:17   yeah I didn't say that was right either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/77">TS</a>]

00:01:18   so I go to start the phone back up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/78">TS</a>]

00:01:22   it tells me no i won't because your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/82">TS</a>]

00:01:25   battery's dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/85">TS</a>]

00:01:26   what you know what I'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/86">TS</a>]

00:01:27   like the i will not start until you plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/89">TS</a>]

00:01:30   yeah ID a little like better the red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   line and black screen yeah yeah so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/92">TS</a>]

00:01:34   like that's weird i was just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/94">TS</a>]

00:01:35   30-percent so I do the like hold both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/95">TS</a>]

00:01:38   buttons until it forced restarts itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/98">TS</a>]

00:01:40   dance and starts back up and i'm back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/100">TS</a>]

00:01:43   thirty percent ok that was really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   but I'll roll with it and then I go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/105">TS</a>]

00:01:49   record a video again same exact thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/109">TS</a>]

00:01:51   happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/111">TS</a>]

00:01:51   mm except this time it didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/111">TS</a>]

00:01:53   turn itself back on your batteries toast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/113">TS</a>]

00:01:55   I've heard of this a lot of people about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   his problem with many different models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/117">TS</a>]

00:01:58   of phone iphone in the past that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/118">TS</a>]

00:02:01   exactly same symptoms you get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/121">TS</a>]

00:02:02   battery down to something that's below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   half but not really really low and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/124">TS</a>]

00:02:07   it's just like nope no battery for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/127">TS</a>]

00:02:10   and the same thing like sometimes it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/130">TS</a>]

00:02:11   come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/131">TS</a>]

00:02:11   like oh here i am again twenty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13   you got to take that in that's that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15   very common symptom and i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   don't know what it is it could just be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/137">TS</a>]

00:02:18   bad battery just can't maintain the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/138">TS</a>]

00:02:19   voltage and once it gets below a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/139">TS</a>]

00:02:21   level the phone just like that so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   for that but then you bring it back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/143">TS</a>]

00:02:24   it's like I can maintain the voltage now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   I'm not really i can you just gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/146">TS</a>]

00:02:27   bring it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/147">TS</a>]

00:02:28   don't bother like like some people John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   Roderick who live with this for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/150">TS</a>]

00:02:32   year or more and accept it as just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/152">TS</a>]

00:02:34   this darn phone is like that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37   Marco set that is that's not the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   it's supposed to work you have to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/159">TS</a>]

00:02:40   that in tell them the symptoms I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/160">TS</a>]

00:02:42   they've heard a million times before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/162">TS</a>]

00:02:43   because this is a common symptom there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45   one exception though that is also almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/165">TS</a>]

00:02:48   exactly the same behavior you get during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/168">TS</a>]

00:02:49   hot or cold thermal shutdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/169">TS</a>]

00:02:51   yeah obviously temperature stuff and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/171">TS</a>]

00:02:53   assuming it's spring it's like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/173">TS</a>]

00:02:54   too hot not too cold I i assume you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/174">TS</a>]

00:02:56   hadn't left in the Sun on the dashboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   of your car before using it now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/178">TS</a>]

00:03:00   just going for a walk about a mile and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/180">TS</a>]

00:03:02   half walk it was in my jeans pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/182">TS</a>]

00:03:03   there was no i mean it's it's humid out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/183">TS</a>]

00:03:08   because it's been raining for the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/188">TS</a>]

00:03:09   year but uh but no there was nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/189">TS</a>]

00:03:12   environmental that should have cost it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14   what I've done is I've left it plugged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   in and have been planned to leave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   plugged in all night just to see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   wouldn't this is before we had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   conversation but I thought I well maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   it's just like not calibrated or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/204">TS</a>]

00:03:25   something like that so i'll just i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/205">TS</a>]

00:03:27   leave it plugged in all night I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/207">TS</a>]

00:03:29   always leave it plugged in all night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/209">TS</a>]

00:03:30   long but i'll just i'll be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/210">TS</a>]

00:03:31   diligent about leaving a plugged in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/211">TS</a>]

00:03:33   we'll see if that for change that but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/213">TS</a>]

00:03:35   sounds like I'm making a trip to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/215">TS</a>]

00:03:36   genius bar we typical typical windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/216">TS</a>]

00:03:39   blame yourself just defragment hurt no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   update your windows update virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43   definitions David your fault it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/223">TS</a>]

00:03:46   totally your fault but aren't you happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48   now like everyone if I had something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/228">TS</a>]

00:03:49   does happen especially on a device that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/229">TS</a>]

00:03:50   I've had for a while but like oh yes new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52   battery know that your battery's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/232">TS</a>]

00:03:55   old anyway how many cycles have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/235">TS</a>]

00:03:56   through I any fresh new battery assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/236">TS</a>]

00:03:59   you're still under warranty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/239">TS</a>]

00:04:00   well I mean it's a it's a success so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   yeah I'm still under warranty but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   that also means i gotta go to the genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/244">TS</a>]

00:04:06   bar I've got to do the backup dance I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/246">TS</a>]

00:04:08   got to convince them that you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10   is an actual issue that isn't my fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/250">TS</a>]

00:04:13   etc so i guess i'm sure they make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/253">TS</a>]

00:04:15   they are well versed in this exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/255">TS</a>]

00:04:17   problem and have a procedure and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/257">TS</a>]

00:04:18   not the first person to tell them it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/260">TS</a>]

00:04:21   I will say though it really went when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/261">TS</a>]

00:04:24   first saw this doing thermal shutdown it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/264">TS</a>]

00:04:26   was on tips phone this past winter when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/266">TS</a>]

00:04:29   she was trying to take videos of our kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31   playing in the snow in like didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/271">TS</a>]

00:04:34   the high twenties early thirties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/274">TS</a>]

00:04:35   Fahrenheit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/275">TS</a>]

00:04:36   yeah like and the phone like after after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38   a couple seconds shooting video just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/278">TS</a>]

00:04:40   kept shutting down on her and like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/280">TS</a>]

00:04:41   we thought we'd broken and I was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   we're bringing in and then like we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   you came inside like it the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   could never be reproduced it at room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   temperature and we were like oh and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   looked up and I figured out that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/291">TS</a>]

00:04:52   actually expected behavior that i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/292">TS</a>]

00:04:55   all those videos you see an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/295">TS</a>]

00:04:57   commercials like the shot an iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/297">TS</a>]

00:04:58   where people are like on ski vacations I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00   guess they're taking really short shots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   I let you have to keep the phone you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   keep the phone in the pocket that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/304">TS</a>]

00:05:05   essentially outdoors like your pockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   are you know if you were to if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   pocket cold in other words you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   have it in a pocket that sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/311">TS</a>]

00:05:12   inside of the body heat part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14   because that's all the really it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/314">TS</a>]

00:05:15   as if your phone freezes solid within 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17   seconds is already frozen when it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/317">TS</a>]

00:05:18   your pocket and you take it out and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/318">TS</a>]

00:05:20   goes that you know the little extra bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/320">TS</a>]

00:05:22   so you really have to either keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24   inside inside your glove or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   close to your body so that the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/326">TS</a>]

00:05:27   stays at more or less body at room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   temperature then you get a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   before it freezes solid into a brick of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/331">TS</a>]

00:05:33   energy lithium-ion battery are you going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/333">TS</a>]

00:05:38   to look at those little hand warmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/338">TS</a>]

00:05:39   things a little shaky packets but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   candles enough that they give off heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   you could someone should so a case like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/343">TS</a>]

00:05:44   that you already got the big lump of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   battery case that by the heat case for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   the winter and that then it will get hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/348">TS</a>]

00:05:49   thermal shutdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/349">TS</a>]

00:05:50   well it doesn't get that those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   are you so the the hand warmer things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   are the things that people who live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56   ridiculous climates use right so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   guys use that all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/358">TS</a>]

00:05:59   skiers use it all the best as I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/359">TS</a>]

00:06:01   know someone in the tavern remember this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03   before the age of the chemical packets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   that you put in your pocket that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/365">TS</a>]

00:06:06   know you started reaction they will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   warm not hot being a warm like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/368">TS</a>]

00:06:09   they're not bring your hands because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   they have lawsuits they had these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   that were kinda like metal clamshell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   things that had inside them essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/375">TS</a>]

00:06:18   burning embers like not open flames but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/378">TS</a>]

00:06:21   burning ember stick to give off heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/381">TS</a>]

00:06:23   sounds like that the most dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/383">TS</a>]

00:06:24   thing you could possibly imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   and that was the old tech and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/386">TS</a>]

00:06:29   much more so that the new stuff is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/389">TS</a>]

00:06:30   considerably a safer and more civilized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/390">TS</a>]

00:06:34   what was it like was it airtight seal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36   down there or how do i my recollection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/396">TS</a>]

00:06:39   was that was like a clamshell look more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40   kind of like a compact or a snuffbox or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/400">TS</a>]

00:06:42   something and that do the little burning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   ember things you get out by opening and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   closing it that way but you use it close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/406">TS</a>]

00:06:47   and just had a metal outside that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/407">TS</a>]

00:06:49   radiate the heat weird as it sounds kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51   of crazy like contraption from your drug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/411">TS</a>]

00:06:53   days John yeah my drug days right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/413">TS</a>]

00:06:56   this is the beginning of the add our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/416">TS</a>]

00:06:58   first sponsor this week is fracture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00   fracture prints photos in vivid color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/420">TS</a>]

00:07:03   directly onto glass these colors pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/423">TS</a>]

00:07:06   like you won't believe and it comes in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/426">TS</a>]

00:07:07   solid backing it mean it's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/427">TS</a>]

00:07:09   this thin foam board behind the glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   layer so it's very very strong but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/431">TS</a>]

00:07:14   you're also very lightweight you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/434">TS</a>]

00:07:16   have to worry about this giant pane of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/436">TS</a>]

00:07:17   glass hang on your wall like pulling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/437">TS</a>]

00:07:20   wall hanger alec is they're very light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   for their size and the front of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/442">TS</a>]

00:07:23   majors this in piece of glass with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/443">TS</a>]

00:07:26   photo print on the back so it shines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/446">TS</a>]

00:07:27   through and it HS looks fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/447">TS</a>]

00:07:30   this is the best way to get photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/450">TS</a>]

00:07:31   printed and hang them up or put on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   desk or sending the people for gifts or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   whatever else i have these all over my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37   office friends use them other podcasts I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/457">TS</a>]

00:07:40   know use themselves because they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   their shows first and they found him out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/462">TS</a>]

00:07:43   and they're just so good and we always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45   get compliments on our fracture Prince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47   whenever people are at our house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/467">TS</a>]

00:07:49   I mean I probably I have something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51   see seven of them around the office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/471">TS</a>]

00:07:53   right now it's a there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55   everywhere and i said i've said probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/475">TS</a>]

00:07:56   five or six more as gifts they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/478">TS</a>]

00:07:59   go to fracture Mediacom to see for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   yourself the prices are very reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/481">TS</a>]

00:08:02   on these and you can use code ATP 10 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/482">TS</a>]

00:08:07   get an additional ten percent off their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/487">TS</a>]

00:08:08   regular prices really if you have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   photos to print and honestly you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   be printing photos because these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/492">TS</a>]

00:08:14   you know you post photos on facebook or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   instagram if you can find on Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/496">TS</a>]

00:08:17   anymore that crazy icon but you post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   photos on Facebook or Instagram or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/499">TS</a>]

00:08:20   whatever else and you see them for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   a day and then they're just buried in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24   the feed so with fracture you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/504">TS</a>]

00:08:27   can have those photos live longer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/507">TS</a>]

00:08:28   and you can give them as gifts you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   have them kind of like you know elevated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   to to a more prominent place in your in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/512">TS</a>]

00:08:35   your house in your vision in your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37   I just a great way to remember great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/519">TS</a>]

00:08:39   and together with gifts as well so check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/519">TS</a>]

00:08:42   it out today go to fracture me.com is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/522">TS</a>]

00:08:45   run by fine people in gainesville [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/525">TS</a>]

00:08:46   florida everything's hand check the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   quality by real people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/528">TS</a>]

00:08:49   so you always get good stuff I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/529">TS</a>]

00:08:51   had one break i've never heard of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   breaking during shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/533">TS</a>]

00:08:54   they're really good no worries here i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   use them recommend them they're awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/536">TS</a>]

00:08:57   fracture me.com code ATP 10 to save ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/537">TS</a>]

00:09:00   percent thanks a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02   this is the end of the end anonymous is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04   written in and said can you please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/544">TS</a>]

00:09:06   address the business model behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/546">TS</a>]

00:09:07   Tesla's offering to unlock and that's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/547">TS</a>]

00:09:10   scare quotes physical features already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   in the car like battery capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/552">TS</a>]

00:09:14   otherwise lockdown it seems worrisome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/554">TS</a>]

00:09:15   that in in-app purchase strategies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18   spilling over into hardware not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   software updates like autopilot what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   this is about is the Tesla Model ass the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/562">TS</a>]

00:09:25   70 kilowatt-hour I couldn't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/565">TS</a>]

00:09:28   what the 70 stood for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/568">TS</a>]

00:09:29   yes anyway uh for the 70 you can pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/569">TS</a>]

00:09:32   3250 dollars to unlock its another five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/572">TS</a>]

00:09:37   kilowatt hours so you can pay 3250 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/577">TS</a>]

00:09:41   dollars for someone to flipping left an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/581">TS</a>]

00:09:44   electronic switch and that I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/584">TS</a>]

00:09:48   about that man that just seems a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/588">TS</a>]

00:09:49   weird to me like on the one side they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/589">TS</a>]

00:09:51   are indeed making the car better so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/591">TS</a>]

00:09:54   shouldn't you pay for that but on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/594">TS</a>]

00:09:56   other side they make it better in so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/596">TS</a>]

00:09:57   many other ways and you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/597">TS</a>]

00:09:58   pay for that so why is this something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/598">TS</a>]

00:10:00   that costs money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/600">TS</a>]

00:10:01   the triggerman Twitter about this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   like in that purchase where they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/603">TS</a>]

00:10:05   be the app that has the code for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   features that are currently locked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/607">TS</a>]

00:10:08   by doing that purchase all they do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10   flip a bit that enable that feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/610">TS</a>]

00:10:12   another word you got you just like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/612">TS</a>]

00:10:14   you get the car the car comes with extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/614">TS</a>]

00:10:15   battery but it's not enable you get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/615">TS</a>]

00:10:18   app the app comes with this extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/618">TS</a>]

00:10:19   functionality but it's not enabled that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21   was mostly me being snarky because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   course the difference is that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/623">TS</a>]

00:10:26   cost money to manufacture the additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   functionality like copying bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/628">TS</a>]

00:10:29   essentially free whereas someone paid to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/629">TS</a>]

00:10:33   manufacture and assemble the parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/633">TS</a>]

00:10:36   your car that they're giving to you in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/636">TS</a>]

00:10:40   disabled State so you actually are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   receiving like that's that's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/642">TS</a>]

00:10:45   the package is a physical good it costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/645">TS</a>]

00:10:48   every time they do that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/648">TS</a>]

00:10:49   however it is they put that extra bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   battery and that that's a real physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/651">TS</a>]

00:10:54   item it's not just the simple copying of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/656">TS</a>]

00:10:57   now i don't know if this makes us good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/657">TS</a>]

00:10:59   from a business standpoint in terms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01   you feel better or worse about Teslas a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03   company in light of this maybe you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   better we select your car magically got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/665">TS</a>]

00:11:06   better but maybe feel worse than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/666">TS</a>]

00:11:07   you understand you paid to manufacture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/667">TS</a>]

00:11:11   assemble this this stuff and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   give it to me but you intentionally turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15   it off it's like you're making my car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/675">TS</a>]

00:11:16   works on purpose and then ransoming at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/676">TS</a>]

00:11:18   last little bit unless i'm totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/678">TS</a>]

00:11:21   misunderstanding what they're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/681">TS</a>]

00:11:22   doing with this big flipping but if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/682">TS</a>]

00:11:25   is actually a physical thing that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   are paying to create and then giving to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/687">TS</a>]

00:11:30   you in a shutoff state to try to ransom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   more money from you later it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/692">TS</a>]

00:11:33   give me a particularly good feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   about the company of the car it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/695">TS</a>]

00:11:38   definitely a weird thing and yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/698">TS</a>]

00:11:41   agree that it's probably not a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43   win customer satisfaction people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/703">TS</a>]

00:11:46   feel ripped off by that like people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/706">TS</a>]

00:11:50   own the 70d and then learn that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/710">TS</a>]

00:11:53   you have 75 kilowatt capacity physically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/713">TS</a>]

00:11:56   but we only ship to 70 and then you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/716">TS</a>]

00:11:59   you want you can pay three thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   dollars to unlock it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   I can totally see why the people who own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05   those seventies are like that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/725">TS</a>]

00:12:07   kinda that's kind of BSE that's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   bit BSE but it you know Tesla it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/729">TS</a>]

00:12:13   a weird company a weird stage in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   life doing weird things and most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/735">TS</a>]

00:12:18   those things are our I think overall for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   the better with the model s keep in mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   the Model S is sold with a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/742">TS</a>]

00:12:25   healthy profit margin from what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   understand and the main reason is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/747">TS</a>]

00:12:29   basically fund the company's further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   development do you think that the model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/751">TS</a>]

00:12:32   3 because like if you look at what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/752">TS</a>]

00:12:34   included in the model s and the starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/754">TS</a>]

00:12:37   price of whatever it is like 70,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/757">TS</a>]

00:12:40   whatever whatever starting president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/760">TS</a>]

00:12:41   Model S's and then you look at the model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/761">TS</a>]

00:12:44   3 but the starting price of 35,000 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/764">TS</a>]

00:12:47   we already know some of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/767">TS</a>]

00:12:48   will be included it won't be included in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   that and it seems kind of crazy if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/770">TS</a>]

00:12:53   try to estimate roughly how big of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   batteries there in the model 3 roughly a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/775">TS</a>]

00:12:56   bigger battery is there you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   the model s you know how can they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   possibly cut the cost of the car in half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/780">TS</a>]

00:13:03   and sell the model 3 with so much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/783">TS</a>]

00:13:06   what was also in the model s and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/786">TS</a>]

00:13:09   answer is that their costs aren't being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   cut in half just the Model S has a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/791">TS</a>]

00:13:14   fat profit margin and the model 3 won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/794">TS</a>]

00:13:17   so what you're paying for the model s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/797">TS</a>]

00:13:18   today is not just like cost of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/798">TS</a>]

00:13:21   components plus twenty percent you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   you're paying a premium for it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   it is a brand-new product you're paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27   kinda like the early adopter premium on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/807">TS</a>]

00:13:30   it it has high profits now in the long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   run it will have lower profit margins in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/812">TS</a>]

00:13:35   all likelihood this competition will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/815">TS</a>]

00:13:36   come in and push prices down and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   know as things mature than the cost will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/818">TS</a>]

00:13:40   also go down but the role of the Model S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/820">TS</a>]

00:13:43   is basically to generate lots of profit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   for Tesla to make the model 3 so from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/825">TS</a>]

00:13:47   that perspective i can see why they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   things like this because you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/829">TS</a>]

00:13:52   that additional battery that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/832">TS</a>]

00:13:53   hauling around additional five kilowatt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/833">TS</a>]

00:13:55   hour battery did not cost Tesla $3,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/835">TS</a>]

00:13:59   to put in there or even if it did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   already paid for it like they sold you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/841">TS</a>]

00:14:03   car with that battery in it for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/843">TS</a>]

00:14:05   price that you paid you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/845">TS</a>]

00:14:06   like that was like that one of the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/846">TS</a>]

00:14:08   room is saying it's the type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/848">TS</a>]

00:14:09   where they stopped manufacturing the 70 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   kilowatt but you bought a 70 yellow want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/851">TS</a>]

00:14:13   to like well we don't have anymore 70 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   lots will give you 75 but flip the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/855">TS</a>]

00:14:18   switch so that when you get it it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/858">TS</a>]

00:14:19   like the 70 that you order like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/859">TS</a>]

00:14:21   that was the arrangement you are 270 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/861">TS</a>]

00:14:23   comes with 70 kilowatts we give you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   car that comes with 17 what everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/865">TS</a>]

00:14:26   should be happy but again from a from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/866">TS</a>]

00:14:30   feel good about the company perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/870">TS</a>]

00:14:31   should they should do what Apple does in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/871">TS</a>]

00:14:32   those cases where like if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/872">TS</a>]

00:14:33   really old Mac and something goes wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   with it and you're still within warranty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/875">TS</a>]

00:14:36   or whatever our apple just feels bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/876">TS</a>]

00:14:38   they're like well we can't we can't fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   this for you we can't replace the part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42   because we don't make that part anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/882">TS</a>]

00:14:43   and we can't give you a new like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/883">TS</a>]

00:14:46   know laptop of this kind would anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/886">TS</a>]

00:14:47   make that laptop but here you go here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   the current model that laptop what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   happens all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/891">TS</a>]

00:14:52   an apple and every time it happens it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/892">TS</a>]

00:14:55   like a you know a miracle so the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   get it like you're getting me not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   give me a new laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/899">TS</a>]

00:15:00   you're giving me a new better laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/900">TS</a>]

00:15:02   because you don't make my old crap you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/902">TS</a>]

00:15:03   want anymore and you're not charging any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   money for it because it's just like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/905">TS</a>]

00:15:06   this laptop is a total write-off it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   have too many hardware fairies we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/908">TS</a>]

00:15:09   get a part that makes people love apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11   so if Tesla that's on the terms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/911">TS</a>]

00:15:13   would make people feel bad who bought a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/913">TS</a>]

00:15:14   17 just got a 70 if you wanna 70d after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/914">TS</a>]

00:15:17   they stopped manufacturing them and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/917">TS</a>]

00:15:18   gave you a 75 and I can I know you order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/918">TS</a>]

00:15:21   70 but here's seventy-five you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/921">TS</a>]

00:15:23   love Tesla you'd be like this is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/923">TS</a>]

00:15:24   and what 70 people be met because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/924">TS</a>]

00:15:26   have their car for a year or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/926">TS</a>]

00:15:27   like it's not only be mad but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   wouldn't be for legendary what is but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/929">TS</a>]

00:15:32   know do other mac users get mad like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/932">TS</a>]

00:15:34   that's no fair i had to pay for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/934">TS</a>]

00:15:35   computer new you bought an old crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/935">TS</a>]

00:15:37   computer in a broken you got the new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/937">TS</a>]

00:15:38   for free and anyone who begrudge people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/940">TS</a>]

00:15:41   their good fortune involving you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/941">TS</a>]

00:15:43   that the time they chose to purchase at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   a time there think brokers just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/945">TS</a>]

00:15:46   ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/946">TS</a>]

00:15:47   so anyway I don't think this is as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/947">TS</a>]

00:15:50   know tomorrow like this this is a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   that you know it costs a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   has a big margin the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/954">TS</a>]

00:15:55   buying it are probably not caring that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   much about three thousand dollars here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   and there because this is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/959">TS</a>]

00:16:00   expensive car so in the grand scheme of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   things maybe doesn't hurt them but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   sort of uh they've missed an opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   to become even more beloved using you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/966">TS</a>]

00:16:10   know the apple style thinks I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/970">TS</a>]

00:16:11   like you know surprising delight or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/971">TS</a>]

00:16:12   whatever not just in your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/972">TS</a>]

00:16:13   but also in your policies is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/973">TS</a>]

00:16:15   reason people like the genius bar i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   people have bad experiences with it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   well but to go there have a person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   you know will take care of your needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   and if there's any sort of issue to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/983">TS</a>]

00:16:26   the people go that that's like kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/986">TS</a>]

00:16:27   a a luxury goods experience where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/987">TS</a>]

00:16:30   pay if you really really massively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/990">TS</a>]

00:16:31   overpay for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/991">TS</a>]

00:16:32   the one good thing is like if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   any problem with it like a return [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/994">TS</a>]

00:16:35   anytime or given you an hour will clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/995">TS</a>]

00:16:37   it up for you for free or whatever even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/997">TS</a>]

00:16:40   though you don't massively overpay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:41   apple stuff we just a little bit over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   pay when you go on with your broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:45   computer and they can't replace it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   because it's too old and they give you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:48   brand-new model that's just awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50   that's like your your loyal for at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:52   another three years before you mad at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:53   them again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:54   yeah and also keep in mind also like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:57   know even though all the hype right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:59   is about the model 3 for the next like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:02   two years possibly more the Model S is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:05   still the only test that you can buy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   the X i guess but nobody wants that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:09   sorry x people so like the the entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:13   price whatever they can make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:14   cheapest model s that is the entry price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:17   for Tesla for the next ex years you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:20   23 whatever whatever ends up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:21   before anybody can just go order model 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:24   and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:25   I delivered you know in six weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:26   whatever so the lower they can make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:29   price the more people they can get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   being Tesla customers at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   they also though want to preserve those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   profit margins on the higher spec models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:36   because that's funding the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:39   company so it's important for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41   get to somehow get the price down enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:45   so they can get a few more people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:47   basically without cannibalizing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:49   higher end sales so they have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:51   tricks like this where it's like well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:54   we sold it just as a 75 before and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:57   was like 75 for that one or 85 for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1077">TS</a>]

00:18:00   for the big one up that was too small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:03   difference we would lose many sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:04   maybe they figured so they would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:05   made that 170 even though technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:07   had 75 then there are something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   that you know and and then when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:11   raised the other one from 85 to 90 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   they raised the other one from 7075 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:14   because now you're just keeping the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:16   difference is there's all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   reasons why they could have done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:19   that make total sense and even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:22   they might annoy some of the customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   who don't think things should work that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:26   way you know it might be better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:27   alternative for the company as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   you know this isn't unprecedented either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:32   like when i first heard about the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   few days back my first thought was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:35   it's a little gross but as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:38   thinking about it while you guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:39   talking no i paid almost a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:42   dollars for a cobb accessport which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:46   thing I refer to it as a chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   colloquially but really it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   software programmer that you plug into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:53   the obd2 port and it will reflash the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:59   computer and and give you a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   more power and makes car little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   faster and then I was taking myself well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   but that's a little bit different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:06   because that's third party and so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:09   makes sense that a third party is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:10   to want to sell you something to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:12   your car better but I got thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:14   a little more and it occurred to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:15   BMW cells what they call the performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:17   power kit which to my understanding does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:20   have a little bit of hardware involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:23   but the majority of the changes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:27   simply reflash just like my cop does so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:30   this is a first-party thing and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32   it's not entirely apples to apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:34   because there is a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:35   hardware but it's a first-party thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:38   that i'm looking on BMWs website right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:39   now and it's 2107 dollars so this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:44   that different in my eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:48   then what BMW is already doing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   presumably other manufacturers as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:51   but I wonder can you pirate a battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:54   hey yeah FML good pirate the bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:58   flipping but never live in the BMW case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1198">TS</a>]

00:19:59   may be part of the money that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   paying is to offset increase warranty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   repairs for your engine that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:04   operating slightly outside the intended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   you know boundaries of whatever you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:10   depending on what it's changing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   the engine that could be impacting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:14   reliability or other issues like it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17   the price is basically everyone paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:19   this price as a blanket insurance policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   for the slightly increase odds that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:23   you're going to have your valvetrain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:24   blow up or whatever i could be but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:27   mean i would hope and assume that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:31   engines are built in such a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:33   they're tolerances give them enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:35   leeway that a first-party solution would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:39   not bump up against any of that now by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   solution might but there's a reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   sell them where they said they sell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   they tried but the car manufacturer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:46   trying to do or sell their engines tuned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48   in a way that balances performance with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:52   reliability because and economy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   emissions right so this is the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:57   bunch of things in the mix there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1257">TS</a>]

00:21:00   they're going for something that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:03   you know the worst thing you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:04   happen as you set these cars out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   with particular balance of things and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:08   turns out that all the men of coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   back in like six years with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1270">TS</a>]

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00:28:24   would have written to to be like an anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:27   apple like clickbait piece because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   contributes a lot of of of intent and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:33   like malice to apple for like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   they've been holding back on all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37   years and stuff like that that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   it misleading investors and then in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:42   cases just outright wrong say it needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:45   to be taken with a lot of with a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:46   salt so that being said I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:49   you can look at at the medium here the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:51   podcasting medium the way the way it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:54   worked so far which basically works like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:57   RSS readers that happen to play audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   files it's basically it like its precise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   photoshop RSS feeds with mp3's or you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:04   a seasoned the vast majority of mp3s was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   gonna say that from now on and clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:09   are basically RSS readers and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11   affect those RSS feeds for everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13   described to and when a person is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15   present they download the mp3 file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   that's better than the liquid which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:18   better than the feed they print then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:20   they showed he was an episode where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   playing it's simply playing mp3 it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   not like loading pages on the site of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:28   the of the podcast provider or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:31   like that it is not executing javascript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:34   on their behalf it is not sending them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:35   tracking information they do get the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:39   hit on their server for when you fetch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:42   that mp3 so they did so podcasters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:45   already have a certain amount of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   about their listeners and so the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:50   that like you know Appling to step in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:52   and provide data so that people can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:55   any idea what what size their audiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57   it's a little exaggerated because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:59   already know how big our audiences it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:01   a little bit approximated but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:04   you know I think history shows with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:05   lot of this you know data science in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08   massive quotes I'm just my fingers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   just constantly moving during this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:11   this whole thing constant air quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:13   just up and down all the like web data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:16   stuff is also in precise so you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:18   is also very easily faked and defrauded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:21   all the time and everything so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:22   all the problems that apply to what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   have now also apply to to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   proper my fingers are still moving big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:29   data kind of analytics and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:32   creepy tracking stuff anyway so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:35   already know how big the audience is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37   a rough degree where they are to a rough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:40   degree and how many of them downloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:43   show we don't need that level of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:46   integration where you go much beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   this yet and we might in the future in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:51   order to get like hi ad rates but right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:54   now we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:55   the reason the web had has had well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:58   quote had to my fingers still moving had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01   to do all this creepy data stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   because web address just plummeted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:07   mean they were never great to begin with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:08   and over the years since the web has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   been a thing I think they just basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:13   always gone down because general like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:15   web display ads like ads you see on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:18   side of a new site or increasingly on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20   top of the news that you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   read a floating in flying around the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   site in the background of the news site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:25   and every sidebar button below the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   content posing as content posing as all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   these top news stories because we're do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   tricks the new scientists wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:32   learn about britney spears like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34   the reason it keeps getting so bad on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:35   the web is that nobody looks at web ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:38   nobody see it's not that people see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:41   ignore them but people even see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   even if you don't have an ad blocker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   installed you like visually don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:48   them like heat you like you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:50   perceive them you you skip over them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:52   the whole banner blindness thing is real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:54   there's very little that that web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:56   publishers can really do to make a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:59   of money on those things and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   they've had to do all this crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:03   tracking stuff just to try to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:05   slightly more targeted to raise the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:07   rates slightly more and then of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:10   there's the rise of all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:11   programmatic ad exchanges which makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   everything even worse and even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:14   horrible and even more creepy track but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   this that's alongside that we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:19   get any more into summary version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   basically the web sucks for ads like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:25   is it is a terrible place to advertise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   it is a terrible place to publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   advertisements to try to make money from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:31   additionally as i mentioned before all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   the massive fraud that goes on like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:36   such a mess it is so it's just bad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38   everybody because the medium just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40   doesn't work that well for display just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   it just doesn't work very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   simple as that and as everything gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:46   more and more cutthroat and advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:48   technically and algorithmically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50   generated and everything it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:52   getting worse and worse hours and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   this kind of no one inside there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:55   the web the web as a place to make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   through advertising is really a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1977">TS</a>]

00:33:00   pretty bad place to be so podcasts on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:04   the other hand because these are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   mp3 files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:07   it's just an audio stream there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:09   basically nothing you can really do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:13   advertise in an audio stream except just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:16   insert a an ad that somebody is speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   into the stream and because of lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:22   reasons there's not a lot of tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   you can do to say like you know did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   people here that ad with a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:28   exceptions but for the most part nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:30   you can't really track the people here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   this day people listen this far on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:33   show like you pretty much can't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   cause like what if somebody's playing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   on their ipod didn't even have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   internet connection you know like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:40   you don't know that they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   playing the file you downloaded from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:43   and there's no way for that report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:44   reported to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:45   what if they're playing it in like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   like web in bed or Twitter and Bedwyr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   like they're just babies can see the mp3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:51   file but they're not like loading a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:54   whole app there are they're not loading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   your whole webpage or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   they're still listening and buy by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   wrong metric of download counts they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:03   will be counted but that's all you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   really get one of the soothing sound of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   our voices put them to sleep and as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   fall asleep and that's why exactly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:13   she should we get paid for those like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15   it that there's no way to tell whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:16   somebody has listened to a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   basically unless you control the app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:21   we'll get to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:22   so anyway this to me is like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:25   beautiful system because the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:28   I i love the web and it makes me so sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   to see what the web has become over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:33   last five years or so as everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:36   just gotten so much more cutthroat and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:38   driven by automated adtech and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   algorithmic content generation and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   just and said it's it's just it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   mess and as a fan of both the web as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:47   medium and also the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   openness of blogging and RSS feeds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   everything which I still used by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53   still use an RSS reader it's not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55   that world is is losing to Facebook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2095">TS</a>]

00:35:00   Twitter and an apple and these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:03   kind of closed ecosystems that makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:07   very sad and podcasting is still run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:10   that way the question basically the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:14   debate here is whether podcasting can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:18   still be run that way for a longer time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   or whether this you know the article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   kept saying like it's outgrown its roots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:25   has it like this podcasting really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:29   to add all this crap to the people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:31   business grow because podcasting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:35   working just fine the way it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   we get so so if you talk about like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   much you make per listener / / user and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:42   people call this the CPM the cost per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:44   thousand impressions well however you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:47   measure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:48   thanks france by the way for the am so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:50   the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:51   I think you're lucky to get I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:54   what's a good web CPM today like a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:57   dollars maybe at most I mean with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   podcasting the numbers are lower list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01   numbers are lower like you know a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   website it can get millions of hits a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05   month the top podcast things like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:08   american life like really big podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:11   might get like a million downloads a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13   month or something in that ballpark I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:14   don't have recent numbers on that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:16   that's what I heard like a year or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:17   ago someone that you know a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   downloads a month for a podcast will put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   you in like the top handle a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:23   that exists in the world whereas a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:24   million hits to a web pages is kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   like lower mid-level trafficker these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:29   days like you can get way more than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:30   if you're big site but the podcast can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:34   command something like a 22 $60 CPM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:39   instead of what the web is getting like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   you know a dollar or two because pockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:44   advertising is just so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:46   it's not even close it is way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:49   effective and part that's because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:52   have you know people like us at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:53   hosts reading the ads and that makes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55   pay attention more a big part of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58   you're actually hearing them as opposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   to the web where you just do not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:01   see the ads at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:02   and not because bad blockers because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   actually just ignore them podcast answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   so much more effective just because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   the medium because of how its heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10   where it's heard who is saying what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:12   they're saying the relationship people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   have the dedication they have where and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   how they're listening as opposed to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   on the web your kind of like skimming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   constantly and you can get there as fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:23   a podcast you're probably listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25   while doing something else whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   working driving whatever the case you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29   less physically engaged in the activity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:32   so you're less likely i think just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:33   the ad it's it's just such a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   environment that it just happens to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:38   way better for ads so for some reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:41   this handful of big podcasters allegedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:45   met with some people and apple allegedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:48   trying to get them to say well we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:51   we want to basically do like web levels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53   of data tracking and we want Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:57   put that in there at because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   we can have we can really have it done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:00   is to put these things in apps it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   implication there is because they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:04   their business models to be more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:06   the web and that just seems insane to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:09   because the web is in such shambles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:13   we have it great over here in podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:15   land they don't know how lucky they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17   that the web does these data things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:20   because it has 24 most sites to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:23   anything at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:24   not because that is the inevitable way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27   forward to quote grow your business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:30   podcasting is not new it is not even i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:34   would even say it's booming I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:37   growing steadily the same way it has for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40   10 years and if you look at like podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:43   growth it's not a hockey stick curve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:46   it's basically a line and everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:49   everyone who thinks it's new it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:51   like it's like to tip the iceberg thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   like they were finally put out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:54   ocean where it's like they think oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:55   god this is here all of a sudden in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   reality like no it's been growing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:58   entire time on the oceans didn't see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:00   there that there's basically the debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:03   over whether podcasting needs to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:08   in order to enable quote growth or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:12   mature or something and this what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:14   angered me so much for this article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:16   in addition to all the things that got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18   like factually wrong or misleading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   basically stated as given as fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:23   podcasting was outgrowing its roots and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:26   needed to change the way it operates to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:30   be more like the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   I very strongly disagree with that i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:35   not saying the podcasting should never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:36   change but I am saying i don't think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:39   needs to change in this way right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41   and possibly ever because this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:44   different medium it works very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:45   differently and the idea that a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:48   people most of whom come from the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:51   and ad tech world's think the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:53   should work more like the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   first of all I find that baffling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:56   because I said the web sucks and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:59   second of all I i think that is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01   a bad argument it but it doesn't follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   like that you can't make that argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:04   without support that showing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   somehow podcasting is really suffering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   without this and is declining and needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:10   this to survive and I see no evidence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:13   that at all in fact i'm doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:14   opposite i'm seeing podcasting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:15   growing and is doing very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   going to the to the apple site like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   can Apple do apple is a directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:23   they're the biggest directory and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   had this big editorial section where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   they can promote shows which they do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:29   as far as i know they're the only people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:30   who who invest a lot of human effort to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:33   actually make editorial podcast pics in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:36   lots of different categories every week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:37   and around the world i think so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:41   that you know they're already doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:42   lot of editorial side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:43   I don't know what else they could do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45   the editorial side I think I think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:46   they're doing they're already doing way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49   more than anybody could be expected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   do given that they're making a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   money off of podcasting I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:54   doing a very good job APPL I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:56   editorially I think they're set we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:59   should be thankful to do as much as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:00   as they do and then you have the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:04   player and this is kind of where it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:07   the a podcast players the most popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:08   podcast playing app the one built and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   built into iOS I don't know how itunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   does anymore the desktop i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:13   pretty small probably but but the 1i OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:16   that comes comes with iOS called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:17   podcasts from Apple the purple icon that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:20   is the most popular pockets on the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:21   has something like sixty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:22   sixty-seven percent of podcast downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:26   according to most people and so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:28   basically pushing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:29   to say the stats we get now are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31   enough we want you to do two things for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:34   us we want you to a give us as much data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   as you can about the people so tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   like how many downloads into your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   actually listen to where they listen you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   know where they stopped playing episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   like what exactly what time stamp down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   to the second so we can optimize your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:47   content and tweak our storytelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:50   abilities and their advertisers can ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:52   how many people actually heard our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:53   entire ads they can then I guess not pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:56   us like I get a lot of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:59   don't make sense when you think them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:01   through that I don't know why why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:03   because we asking for these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:05   anyway so that's that's part one is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:08   they want Apple to to add all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   creepy data tracking to their player app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   and then to report it to the podcast in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:15   some way and once again I think Jason's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17   now on my curly on upgrade this past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19   week I did a very very good job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   covering exactly like what the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   implications of this would be and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25   like just that the scale of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:27   operation this would entail to even do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   this if they wanted to and how useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   the data would actually be considering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   that it's not that it like it isn't all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:36   listeners its depending on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:39   somewhere between like probably 20 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   seventy percent of listeners so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:44   that's and it might not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   representative sample so it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   it the quality of the David they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   get woody wood itself being questioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   even if they got it and in the process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:53   then getting it and the the systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:56   involved the implementation of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:57   would be a huge mess not to mention all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   the ethical and quality issues it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:02   then create the incentives that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   create with podcast creation with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:07   these pro podcasters to like structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:09   shows differently so they would boost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:10   these numbers and in these little tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12   ways that would kind of sacrifice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   quality or overall flow but how it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:18   give us five percent move this month you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:19   know because you can say now that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   never happen but look at the web it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:22   happens it always happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   so you know let's not kid ourselves that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:26   would definitely happen so you have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:29   made this massive problematic request of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:32   the more data then you also have three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:35   the request of podcasters that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:37   enable other business models and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:40   they basically mean is enable away for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42   people to pay for our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:43   you know there's there's already ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:45   pay for podcasts lots of podcast do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:48   know this because overcast doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   support their feeds and I hear from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:52   their fans everyday but there's already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:56   ways to do things like paid feeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:59   members only feeds whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:00   password-protected or its hidden URL to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:03   support those thanks Jason idea to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:05   support please subscribe 26 colors you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:09   know the password stuff I don't support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:10   and and some a lot of them like that tho [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   members only area or or paid podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:15   that aren't even distributed as podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:16   files then feed you you like sign up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   with their website and you can download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:20   the audio files there are lots of ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:22   to do this the biggest way to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24   though Apple made in 2008 called the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:28   store this is what most people do if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:31   they want to have a paid podcast they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:33   release their own app to play their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:36   podcast which gives them all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:39   capabilities that the podcasters are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:41   asking Apple for allegedly that already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43   exists its existed for eight years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:46   it's called the App Store you can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:48   your app you can charge whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   want for the app you can have in-app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:52   purchase in the app you can control the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:54   entire player experience and do all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:56   creepy data tracking you want that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:58   already there many podcasts have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:01   own apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:02   this is not a new thing and it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:04   okay i don't know anybody who makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:07   ton of their of their listenership or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   money that way but they make some it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:12   so you know what if that's the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   system you want it already exists and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   take it from a developer i guarantee you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:19   that whatever Apple would do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   podcast app store with the podcast or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:24   that that everyone's apparently asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:25   for would be worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:27   that would be a worse system than just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:30   making your nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:31   you don't want that trust me like either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34   way apples taking 30-percent let's be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36   honest here I mean we know that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38   taking at least thirty percent either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:39   way you know at least in the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41   it's only thirty percent if you if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:42   make their own pocket store because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44   opportunity to set a new rate might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   hired at Apple's services company so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:48   believe me you don't want the head that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50   you understand why they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:51   make their own app like it isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   obvious like the fragmentation problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:56   that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:56   everyone has their own app like they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:57   be the advancement of the app store is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:00   the one place you go to get all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:01   software instead of having to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:02   individual developers website that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:04   discoverability problems and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:05   people aware and came to fatigue as kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:08   of like we have an apple TV that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:09   that the fatigue of like I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:12   listen to this podcast together this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:13   priority that podcast that app like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:16   kind of like when when books for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:17   individual apps back when Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   allowing that you get one book is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:20   individual app it's just it's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   fragmentation and everybody good that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   it's really hard to get attention from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:27   anybody and I can build the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:28   level playing clear that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   talking about before is an advantage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   saying like Apple you dissemble met this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:33   stuff is sort of the baseline within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:36   only podcast player app that matters the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   built-in appleone as far as these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:39   are concerned allegedly in this in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   article here then we wouldn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:44   fight for the attention to get our app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46   downloaded and it really is a barrier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   people like people don't want to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:49   download a new app forever it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:52   having to download a new app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:53   removing your policy is a rather just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:54   to a store and be able to render by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   movie and you want to go to 17 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:57   stores and that there are still multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   stores but it was one per pod cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   that's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:02   so I kind of what i'm trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   reading this article is put myself into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:06   perhaps not the headspace of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08   theoretical people who talk to apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:11   the headspace of the author of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:13   article because a lot of things this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:15   article are not quotes are not and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:17   not like sentiments attributed to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:20   who supposedly met with Apple but rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   just stated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:23   yeah in what looks like the authors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:24   voice presumably informed by the I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:29   know by accounts of the meeting and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   trying to let try to figure out like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:34   is it that the author or the people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:37   the author spoke to believe these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   about podcasting like what is I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:43   what what what what are we missing visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:45   you I think you've outlined pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:46   well-liked from our perspective doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48   make any sense but our perspectives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:49   the only perspective and I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:51   best thing I've come up with is that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:55   you want to if you want to reach a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:58   bigger audience like podcasts are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:01   size of they are serial is way bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   than lots of podcasts this american life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   is way bigger but that kind of barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:06   house because it is built it audience on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   the radio and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:09   as a podcast right um if you want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:12   really big with that big audience i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   means I suppose high production values [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:19   across more to make shows that good the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   battery know if that's true but like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:22   trying again i'm trying to get in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   head in there thinking like I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:25   loosely correlated high production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:26   values can result in better shows they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   do sometimes do something better shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:30   but they are they don't always and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   aren't always required right but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   they're going for if you were going for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:35   a much bigger audience part of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37   would also be going for bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   advertiser's advertisers who are used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:43   who would not bother advertising on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:47   numbers the most podcast put up and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:50   you want big advertisers big advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:53   have been conditioned by all the crap on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55   the web that you just talked about want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   this information that is not available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   from podcast so it's kind of like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   want to go really big we want to go mass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03   market and by the way when you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:04   mass-market your CPMs go down because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:07   mass-market like we're gonna make a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09   for everybody everybody is not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11   valuable as people who are SuperDuper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:13   into model trains because it if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15   a podcast that you know for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   are SuperDuper into model trains model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:19   trains manufacturers will pay a lot for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:21   that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:22   whereas if you're gonna have our podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   isn't dubai everyone everyone is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   great demo or like our podcast listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:29   it but you know like you really the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   reason podcast get such icp-ms and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   reason i think a lot of tech podcast get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   icp-ms is it's a it's a narrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:38   self-selecting audience based on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:39   topic and those audiences can be much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:42   more valuable than the mass audiences so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   anyway if you be want to make podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:47   way bigger and sell to a mass audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:48   and your CPM goes down you really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:51   the tools that will let you get cold to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   put an advertisement on your thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   you know talk to proctor and gamble or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:56   whatever like these really big things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/2996">TS</a>]

00:50:00   that you know by super bowl ads and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:03   you have huge ad budgets and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:06   that's kind of the chicken egg thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:07   they're trying to go it's like podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:09   is it looks like it also wasted medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:11   from the perspective of these these that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:12   people who are going to want to go for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:14   big audience like I bet many more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:16   would go for any other thing about radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   like you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:19   you know every kind of mass advertiser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:22   be on the radio because like all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:23   reaches everybody but the everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:25   model is so different than the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:26   podcasting while I think what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   to happen is please make a world where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   coca-cola will advertise and here are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33   the ingredients we see that will hook up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:36   all the pieces in this chain so that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:37   will have a podcast that plays 250 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39   million people and that really big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   companies pay for ads or at a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:43   rate and a tremendously mostly p.m. but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:46   we'll make it up in volume and now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:48   are big player and we will just squish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   all the other shows and we'll make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:51   cereal look like a little silly NPR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   fluke i don't have enough cereals NPR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   sorry pris see over the holidays and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:59   that and like and that's so outside our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:02   understanding of podcasts and our little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:03   text circle and our nerdy podcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   stuff like that I don't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:08   think that that can't and shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:11   exist but like as a goal I kind of see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:16   it as well as something to that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   imagine if you have the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:20   everybody let's do see really seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:22   it was most people you know like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   just been compared to other podcast it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:25   not as if someone came out with the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:28   equivalent of you know Star Wars 1977 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:31   like the movie that everybody and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:33   generation saw there's no podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35   equivalent to that yet and they could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   going for it and I think that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:38   interesting goal and interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:41   aspire to but the way the things they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:44   asking for a are informed by the web and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:45   like you said like that's pretty stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47   and be like the whole what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   asking Apple to do I don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51   why maybe they haven't been burned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   enough by this but asking Apple to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:54   building's analytics into your app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:57   make you know it and subscriptions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   stuff like that and of course there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:00   so many things that only Apple can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:01   because their platform level things or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   have to do with the app store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:05   there's only one way to get software on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:06   your things through the app store again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:08   focusing on iOS but i'm sure they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10   the same pitch to google it google get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   on google play thing going on over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:13   but were they successful in lobbying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:16   apple for the things they supposedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:18   once they will just let you know that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   their wildest dreams what they will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:21   successfully done is created youtube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   which is terrible for just over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   situation where the only reasonable way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:28   to make money with video on the web is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:31   through YouTube and YouTube controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:32   army [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:33   music yeah youtube controls everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:35   about it and there's no competition and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   they can change the terms of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39   time what the hell you going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:40   because it's YouTube like why would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   ask me that why would you get you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   you know again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:45   tapos credit or whatever or capitals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:48   apathy or whatever like they're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:49   not going to do any of this stuff but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51   they did it would be terrible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   everyone involved both the big guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55   because they would just be putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:56   themselves under the thumb of apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:58   for the small people who were like no we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:00   don't want that we like to be free and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:01   open or whatever like so it's a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   doomsday scenario if they got what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:06   wanted because it would it would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:07   make it dysfunction all the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09   talked about for the web and the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:11   and the in ever decreasing CPMs in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   Indian the perverse incentives in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:14   fraud and everything like that and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   would be shoveling all the power in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   market to this one gatekeeper just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   because you didn't write one right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:21   on happen because you couldn't abide to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:23   have simple open system with RSS VHP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:25   suggest it wouldn't didn't give you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   analytics you like it's it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   terrible thing to want like and I I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:32   of see where they're coming from like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:33   want the big breakout hit and we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   this data and we need these tools but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   feel like you should work that out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:39   hard for me to talk with us even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:40   accepting the premise that these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   happen in the article weather said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:43   but because they didn't end it did but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:46   you should be talking to coca-cola about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:48   how they should be ok with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:52   funding this podcast for celebrities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54   that you think millions and millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:55   people are going to listen to without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:56   the obsessive data that they think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:59   should technically be able to get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   coca-cola picture back to the olden days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   when people feel that little paper forms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05   after they watch television shows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:06   you and you bought you bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08   advertisement based on that and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10   we're going to tell you a precise number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:11   of downloads and you won't do it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13   it's just not enough data and you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:14   to know the exact demos and again where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:15   they live what their income is and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:17   things that last click on what the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:18   boss on amazon what cookies been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   tracking them through their facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22   clicks for the last it's just I it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:26   it's a somewhat admirable goal to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:29   make like a podcast breakout hit but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:32   think the supposedly demands of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:36   people and in this article are totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:39   the wrong way to go about it and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:42   tiny passage that highlighted here is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:43   finish up like makes me just question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:46   everything about this is again not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:47   quote and not attributed to anything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   it's a the articles as promotion within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:52   iTunes which is one of the only reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   ways to build an audience particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:55   for a new show is decidedly decided by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58   small team blah blah promotion within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00   itunes is not not only not one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:05   only reliable ways to build an audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:06   but probably one of the worst ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:10   build an audience because it's like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:13   if you could guarantee the you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15   have been promoted as the number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:16   podcast on itunes for an entire year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:19   with that build an audience vs say if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:23   you made a podcast that promise to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:26   slowly lay out the plot her star wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:27   episode 8 episode 8 entirely unpromoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:31   in itunes podcast would crush your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   podcast like it's the only reliable way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36   to build and you build an audience by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:37   making things that people like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   leveraging existing audience is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:42   the best way to build nice but the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:44   reliable way like i don't know i can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:46   think of a single person who found their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:48   favorite podcast because it was promoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50   on itunes i'm sure they're out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:51   I'm sure that they'll send us things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:52   like it's just a warped view of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   world of podcast listening like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:57   not how people discovered cereal people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:59   did not discover cereal because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:00   promoted in itunes it was promoted in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   itunes because people discovered cereal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   like it's you know like there is a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   for editorial or whatever but if you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   in your head the itunes is already this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:11   this kingmaker gatekeeper i-i-i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:14   let your your abdicating all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:17   responsibility to build your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:18   audience by having a good show and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20   your own marketing and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:21   like again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:22   editorials important and they do promote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   shows and it's important like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:25   for shows to come out of obscurity that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:29   that Apple can you put them in new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   noteworthy and whatever whatever weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   systems are having and it's a fun little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:35   thing but really to frame it as the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   reliable way to build an audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:39   particularly for a new show that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:42   just does not match with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   understanding of the podcast world at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   all hot especially when it comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:48   mass-market shows because the mass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:50   market is not trolling the itunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:51   podcast directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:52   they don't even know what podcasts are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   right they only know because they heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:55   about cereal and that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:56   figured out what podcasts are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:58   that's the problem like by treating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:00   apples the whole world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02   II know as you very very well said like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:04   you're not only like trying to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:07   the only platform that matters at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:08   i'm trying to increase their share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:10   but you're also kind of investing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:12   sinking ship because that sixty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:14   market share that they most likely have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   among listening that goes down every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18   year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:19   believe me I've been watching that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   decreasing over time as more podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:24   players sprout up on iOS and as more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:27   people finally get around to living on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   android is where android so far has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   very underrepresented in podcast that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33   according to most big hosted by an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:36   ellipse and used to used to enhance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:37   numbers every so often used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39   something like eight to one in favor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41   iOS four like everything show that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43   host which is a lot of shows now enjoys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   getting higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:46   you have people like google play and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48   Spotify entering the podcast market in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:51   possibly big ways mostly have ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:54   going and I don't like them but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   exist so we'll see how that ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:57   going but you know you have the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3477">TS</a>]

00:58:01   market being becoming more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:03   diverse apple's market shares going down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:06   and all the sudden these people want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:08   give Apple a reason to lock things down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:11   and dominate that's a terrible idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:14   also like I said just like the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   relying on them for your for like all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   your audience growth is ridiculous like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:21   you know and we know from the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   we know like know everyone who relies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:27   only on the app store for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:28   promotion we tell them they're doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   wrong we tell them like no you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:31   even the apps or people will tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:34   please don't rely on us like and if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:37   you're trying to get featured by the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39   store and you have no other marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   that actually hurts your chances of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   being featured they want to feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:46   things that have real marketing plans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   it's so the idea of trying to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:50   basically make apple do all your work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:52   for you to put your podcast as you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:55   John is terrible also getting back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:58   the ad thing for a second which 10 ties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   into this all everything that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:03   podcasters are asking Apple to do or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:06   asking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:07   is basically comes down to we are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:10   making enough / listener from our ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:13   and we would like to add this tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   so that we can make more money it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:18   basically like saying the only way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   us to grow is to extract more out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   existing listener base remember what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:25   said earlier about the relative size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:27   the audience between podcasts and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:29   web a great podcast might get a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:33   hundred thousand downloads an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:34   that would put it in like the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:36   probably five or one percent of podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:40   on the web that's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:42   if you want to grow your business as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:44   podcasters the way for growth is to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:48   more people listening to podcasts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   then to get more people listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:52   your podcast that's obvious like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:55   understand how anybody can look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:58   situation now and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   situation now and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   well we need to grow that to really grow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:03   this we're out we're just growing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   old model here we really need is add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:07   tech lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09   no you need more people listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:11   podcasts you know how you do that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:13   not by making podcasts suck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:15   it's not by getting all creepy on people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:18   and making I'm putting all this stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20   their face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:20   it's not by putting up a paywall sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   grow the audience that's how that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:25   the way for revenue growth possibly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:28   start doing all this data mining crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30   when your ads don't work or when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:33   have saturated the audience you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   find new ways to extract more of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:38   we are neither of those things are true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:39   for podcasting it's the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:41   podcasting has tons of room to grow it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:44   is growing not as a hockey stick level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:47   you know growth but it is steadily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:48   growing over time there's tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:50   potential to grow into especially as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:53   as we have further penetration of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:55   bluetooth and cell phones and cars which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:58   is where a lot of listening happens and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   we have all these new like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:01   cheap home speaker bluetooth devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   people to listen more home any of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   getting more and more into the habit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:06   listening to things on their smartphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:08   like there is tons of room for growth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:11   here and there are so many people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:14   don't listen to podcast now that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16   you focus you focus your effort on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   growing the pool your we're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20   making great rates on the ads rates that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:23   you know I just like when you expand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:26   like coca-cola all these things were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:28   like oh we have to expand the brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:29   everything ok so right now we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   mostly direct-response advertiser's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:33   is things like Squarespace they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:35   things were like you you you sign up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:37   a service or you buy a product and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:40   give them some kind of coupon or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:41   discount code or visit a special URL and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:44   they track how many people bought their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:47   thing through each show which episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:49   URL and that kind of gives them an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   of how many people might have heard the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:53   ad and how much they are willing to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55   for future ads as a result of how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:56   they're making from their past adds all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:58   these hot dogs articles about how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:00   we have to like you know move into brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:03   advertising they're all like well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:04   could keep hearing the same ads from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06   like Squarespace over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:07   ever wonder why they're not dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:10   they're buying them because they work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   really well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   whatever they're spending on the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:14   each other said is a really nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:16   helped by CPM whatever they're spending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:19   on the ads they're making that back they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:21   can see it in direct response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:22   conversions and results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:24   the reason why we have so many direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:27   response advertisers and why every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   podcast for the most part does is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:32   because they can directly measure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:35   value they see it and they say we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:38   more cuz these ads are working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:39   ridiculously well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:41   brand advertising things like oh we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:44   gonna focus working plastico can deliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:46   these billboards for the next 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:47   and hope that increases our margin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:48   slightly brand advertising by definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50   is almost impossible to measure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:54   basically goes unmeasured whenever he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   was basically a shot in the dark here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:57   people are just hoping that over time by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3777">TS</a>]

01:03:01   getting their logo and their name out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:02   there and associating happy things with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:05   their brand or whatever people start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:06   recognizing their brand sales will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:08   slowly increase as this recognition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:09   build the web has developed such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:11   incredibly sophisticated and creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:13   levels of tracking and analytics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   behavioral monitoring and surveillance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:17   that they can see to a much greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:20   degree what works and what doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22   granddad's don't pay that much on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24   web because they can see it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:26   working when you saying you want brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:28   ads what you're really saying is we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30   gonna sell brand ads because our eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:32   don't work so we're gonna sell these to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:34   you cope because we know you won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:35   really be able to measure well but coke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:37   also isn't interested in the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:39   numbers and Squarespace maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:42   Squarespace but some other advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:43   that are basically are paying to acquire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:46   new customers for some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:47   subscription plan may not be able to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:49   like Coco pay more because brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:52   advertising is by definition a we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:55   the big numbers huge shotgun approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   that's the only type of advertising to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3837">TS</a>]

01:04:00   which this sort of general-purpose broad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:01   demographic is actually desirable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:04   because that's what we're gone for we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:05   want everybody to know cause we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:07   care who you are what you do what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:08   interested in you need to know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:09   coal and it's awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:11   they want the big numbers anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:15   is acquiring customers even something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17   like a fracture whatever like it i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:20   think that they that they're not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:22   they're not gonna keep the same CPM and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:24   pay for a show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:25   give a hundred bringing people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:26   bankrupt the company right and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:29   not interested they don't they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:30   interested in spraying there I'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:32   they'd be overpaying because only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:33   small fraction those people actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   interested in signing up would be much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:36   better to go on a podcast where much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:38   higher percentage of the people listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:40   are into digital photography and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:42   principal whatever you know so I I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:44   like they want to get those big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:46   advertisers because you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:47   number on the check is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:49   really big and the only people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:50   going to write that check our people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:51   doing brand advertising and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:53   way you get again you know if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:55   to get a new podcast that that has 200 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:57   million downloads for every episode i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3897">TS</a>]

01:05:00   think brand advertising is your only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3900">TS</a>]

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01:05:04   they're trying to connect the dots to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/3904">TS</a>]

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01:12:09   to know something more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:12   you better hope that's within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:14   problem and i'm not saying that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:15   are bad products i think they're amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:16   we need to keep advancing on some it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:18   great but I get like i said as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:19   you have a voice talking to you or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:20   can understand what you're saying people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:22   immediately jump to this is how 9000 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:25   like it it's a little person but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:27   totally and all the person it's so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:29   from that that there's always the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31   inevitable let down so as we continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:35   march their progress there I'm you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4355">TS</a>]

01:12:38   I think that's good but this this slight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:40   diversion with Eve and river however you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:42   want to say and all those other ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   bothers me as the type of person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:47   like reads the wire cutter or Marcus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:50   headphones reviews or markers lightbulb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   reviews or anything like that and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:53   the the very boldly stated business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:57   model of these companies is will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:00   deals with other companies so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:01   say you know have a piece of delivered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   to my house at 5pm and also send flowers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:05   to my mom for Mother's Day you like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:07   what an amazing demo it's like having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:09   personal assistant but you don't get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:10   pick what pizza it is or what company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:13   sends the flowers the company they that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:16   makes the product that you're talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:17   does deals with Domino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:19   and proflowers and that's what gets sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:21   not because those are the best flowers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:23   or because your assistant knows the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:24   flowers to get for your mom or the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:26   of pieces that you like but because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:28   these are the deals the company whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:30   voice agent that you're talking to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:32   you know made partnerships with and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:35   their incentives are all screwed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:37   their incentives of the supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:38   personal assistant is not to help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:40   get the things that you want in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:42   life it's to dutifully follow through on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:45   the business deals that the companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:46   made and all these companies are looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:47   for we make this thing so sticky that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49   people love talking to it and just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:50   rely on it as part of their life then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:53   can charge people a lot of money to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:56   know like the same way that Google in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:57   charge money for service we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:58   everybody typing into our searchbox now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4438">TS</a>]

01:14:00   all of a sudden you buy you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:01   advertising keywords or search keywords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:04   for us it's very bad with everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:06   there's all the pizza ordering then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:08   can charge whatever pizza company a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:09   of mind as I did you one of the pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:11   Steve Pizza comedy films pizza request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:13   but you know obviously people like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:16   and I think a lot of people kind of care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:18   where their pizza comes from maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:19   don't care so much about where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:20   flowers come from but that the model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:23   that that they should be presenting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25   here is artificially intelligent agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:28   or whatever the agents move good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:30   nineties apple thing that knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:32   navigator can help your life it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:34   supposed to be helping me it's supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:36   to be like I wanted to do things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:37   you know if it's going to save me work i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:39   would go and figure out what's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:41   dishwasher is and what the comparative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:43   features are and stuff like that or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:45   know i would if i move into a new area I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:47   would you know troll reviews to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:50   find out where two people like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:51   that the best pizzeria you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:53   ratings are like I wanted to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:56   what I want in my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58   what my needs are and follow through on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4498">TS</a>]

01:14:59   that but I don't know if there's money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:00   to be made in that because we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:02   willing to pay for that service so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:03   someone's gotta pay and the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:04   are paying his dominoes and you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:06   get a stupid domino's pizza so you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:09   what you deserve you right and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:11   it's it's misaligned incentives but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:13   don't know the way out of it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:14   align incentives would be you pay me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:16   five dollars a month for the privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:17   of using a series of even know who wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:20   to do that either because they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:21   good enough for five dollars a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:22   it's like now I'll just do the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:24   search myself well just go to the wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:25   cutter myself right so I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:27   you get you find your way out of this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:30   could be i don't i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32   it could be that most people are fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:33   with that they're like I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:34   want to know or care what deals you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:36   behind the scenes as long as somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:38   comes to pick up pick up my package [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:40   I don't care what they ship it by or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:42   anything like just they don't they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:44   not as picky the not reading reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:45   about your lightbulbs right there just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:47   like whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:48   it's just convenient for me to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4548">TS</a>]

01:15:49   to do this and I don't really care what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:51   company or product is involved and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:53   don't care what deals are made behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:55   the scenes and I don't care that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:57   needs aren't the most primary thing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4557">TS</a>]

01:15:58   service like a free it's built into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:00   phone or yelled into the air and Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:02   echo does it I don't care that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:04   products are filled through amazon or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:05   you know like it's like pushing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:07   buttons of paper towels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:08   you know you get the pic was a mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:10   has a wide right but I don't care they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:11   all come from amazon maybe those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:13   are fine with that but for me personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:15   I don't like it and i also think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:17   the misaligned incentives will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:21   become a larger and larger problem until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:24   unless these services we can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:26   become so good that people are willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:28   to pay for them because once you pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:29   five dollars a month to have a personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:30   assistant you could just shout orders to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:32   and we do stuff and was not actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:34   person you didn't have to like care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:35   about their feelings and well-being or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:37   anything like that's the dream of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:38   artificial intelligent personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40   assistant for every movie about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:41   future regions yell things into the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:42   and things get done and what you love an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:44   assistant learned more about you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:46   what you like and what you dislike and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:48   did the research for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:49   collaborated with other agents and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:51   know just sort of asked your reaction to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:53   the meal you're just eating and instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:54   of you having to put a star right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4614">TS</a>]

01:16:56   that's the magical future we think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:58   it I think everyone's going to pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4618">TS</a>]

01:16:59   that because paying for an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4619">TS</a>]

01:17:01   personal systems and do all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:02   is really expensive five dollars a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:04   looks like a bargain but we're not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:06   yet the process just aren't that good so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:08   in the meantime dominoes will be paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:10   them to deliver you execrable piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:12   your house I love that like you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:14   your dream scenario here is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:18   that you can basically have a virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:20   person who is totally basically your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:22   slave and you can be a jerk to it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:25   actually a person just a computer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:27   you don't be a jerk to but you also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:29   don't have to like worry about like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:31   know they don't don't sleep don't eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:33   don't get annoyed when you're frustrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:35   don't get in order to yell but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:36   that's why we use computers because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:38   don't have to have this constant like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:39   we're not but we're not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:41   emotionally support our computers most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:42   of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:43   we just want them to do what we tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:44   them to do when we do it is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:46   machines and they're not people right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:47   and that's the dream of having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:50   computers you know just think it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:52   as a personal assistant but rather think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:53   of it as like the using using a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:57   without having to sit in front of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4677">TS</a>]

01:17:59   computer and click on things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:00   touchscreen or type things in just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:01   talking to the air and then somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:03   else the computer is doing your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:04   and and the whole machine learning angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:06   like the same way a personal assistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:09   would learn your preferences and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:11   everything that's what computers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:12   great lots of netflix is greater by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:14   seeing what we watch and we have to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:16   with a silly way of hitting stars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4696">TS</a>]

01:18:17   stuff but eventually netflix it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:18   to think i think you will like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:20   movie based on movies you've seen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:22   past and have like it's incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:26   primitive compared to what we could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:27   if we had a conversational long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:29   relationship with a you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:32   voice-controlled thing that was on our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:34   side and was entirely made to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:36   make our lives better but again that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:39   there's no there's no business model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:40   that the textile isn't quite there but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:42   feel like i can get there eventually and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4722">TS</a>]

01:18:43   once we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:44   someone is going to get five dollars a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:46   month from hell of a lot of people when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:47   that becomes good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:49   well but it doesn't have to be that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:51   five dollars a month I mean it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:53   that this future Syria or what have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:57   it takes a cut of whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4737">TS</a>]

01:19:00   facilitates a sale for so but that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:02   distance it hasn't sent revised to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:04   deals with the put the highest bidder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:06   who makes crappy pizza irregular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:08   heartbeats a problem for perhaps the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:10   first of all domino's pizza is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:11   crappy second of all my god it's so bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:14   what are you talking about her job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:15   yeah I'm with John sorry Casey that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:17   that's all you'll excuse us oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:19   you're way too snooty anyway the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:21   is that II why couldn't we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:24   hypothetical conversation where I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:26   see that like a pizza please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:27   sure where would you like it from papa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:30   johns or dominoes or what having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:32   presumably would have to be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:33   national chain so I'm not it's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:34   to happen but then how do you get paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:36   how does that service get paid you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:37   it's just taking a cut of that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:38   they were really kind of like Grandpop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:40   or whatever like they have to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:41   opt-in the money's gotta come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:42   somewhere because unless you want to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:43   extra for that pizza and like have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45   you know series surcharge of experts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:48   group of so freaking expensive like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:50   lots of services that kind of do a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:51   portion of what we would imagine beaver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:53   serie doing but all of them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:55   incentive is this is great if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:57   money to burn and you can't be bothered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4797">TS</a>]

01:19:59   to go someplace and you don't want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:00   food being cold by the time it gets here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:02   you don't mind waiting a long time after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:03   time doesn't work like this there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05   many caveat but the the money is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:07   deterrent five dollars a month for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:11   blanket service of essentially just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:12   connecting the dots the things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:13   could do themselves that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:15   financially if you have enough people do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:16   it as does dominoes being the exclusive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:19   will bring you a crappy pizza provider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:21   but I feel like the percentage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:22   everything is just back to the group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:23   model and its yeah that's that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:27   proven to be good for you know in my day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:31   we'd set ups but like be good for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:34   who with high paying jobs and not a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:36   of time and and and more money my money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4836">TS</a>]

01:20:40   is less important to them than their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:41   time and so they do that and even those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:43   things you kind of like yeah sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:45   that just it's more worth of you to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:47   there yourself another thing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:48   know everyone needs try to would any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:50   us would anyone order pizza in that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:52   even if you would like to help if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:55   could tell the store that but it charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:57   you twenty percent on top of that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:58   you order pizza that way I mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:01   in a position where I didn't want to sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:03   down at a computer or an ipad and iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:05   and I just wanted to within 30 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:08   say hey see get me over i forgot i can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:11   say that I'm sorry wants to it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:13   fit huh yeah what was that upgrade a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:17   hotel huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:18   thank you i want to say aloha a hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:20   finally get me outta here get me a pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:24   a large pepperoni no pineapple pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:28   from dominos delivered to my house your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:31   bad taste continues like you're in favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:34   of this bolt serie pepperoni and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:36   pineapple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:37   I all have not tried every and pineapple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:40   yet but i do like pineapple and ham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:42   I and I don't get that a lot of New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:43   Yorkers don't really do it here because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:45   it's not canonical John but but i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:47   enjoy that combo when I can get it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:51   yeah I normally I mean I like pepperoni [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:52   and pineapple so you know there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:55   ham and pineapple discussion but i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57   sure if it's on a podcast that has yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:58   to be released did you hear me talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:00   about Hawaiian pizza on a podcast if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:02   i haven't been released so I don't spoil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:04   it I did hear you talk about it i forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:06   which shows it was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:08   yeah same here it might even when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:09   get an upgraded you do that recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:11   right yeah maybe that was it but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:13   uh yeah I don't wanna get into it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:15   the point is the point is the point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:17   casey has terrible taste in pizza so his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:19   answer to this question is irrelevant or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:21   whatever if you see you Marco and john / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:24   you switch the hamburgers if you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:26   know because then I'm gonna tell you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:28   think Wendy's is just fine then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:29   gotta bust my balls about that too and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:31   whatever like this have a barbecue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33   oh it would you get from dallas BBQ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:35   because it doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:36   oh really well barbeques barbeque I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:38   just nostalgia barbecues fine but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:41   all these things like this you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:42   the money is going to become taking your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:43   cut somebody's gotta come from somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:44   so it's got to be a surcharge right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:46   because I unless you is you have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:48   deals if you're going to take a cut like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:50   the price remains the same but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:51   caught us in you have to have that deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:53   for that if you don't then you just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:54   to add a surcharge because then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:56   don't need deals on either end but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:57   surcharges usually pretty significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4977">TS</a>]

01:23:00   and that's in addition to whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02   additional things that charging you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:03   deliver it plus tip and all that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:04   stuff that's the thing exactly though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:06   because the delivery surcharge is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:08   surcharge you could if you wanted to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:12   in your car or ride your bike or walk or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:14   what have you and go fetch your pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:16   but sometimes you just want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:19   convenience of this move me old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:21   magically showing up at your doorstep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:23   I personally cannot imagine a time where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:25   i would want to say hey uh why telephone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:29   get me a Domino's large pizza but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:32   are certainly people in the world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:34   may be willing to pay a dollar or two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5014">TS</a>]

01:23:37   whatever the case may be to alway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39   telephone themselves a pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:41   I mean they're dominoes let you order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:43   pizza with emoji by some mechanism never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:45   tried so I would imagine that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:47   people that are doing that 20 wonder why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:49   dominance has to make it so easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:51   order pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5031">TS</a>]

01:23:53   you don't find anything you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:55   believe dominoes as gross that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:57   all i know is what you know just listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5037">TS</a>]

01:23:59   to the forthcoming episode of analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:00   where we probably won't cut the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:02   discussion about people that are too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:04   good for chain restaurants and how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:06   I hate all of them which is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:08   everyone in the chat room and the two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:09   you there are good chain restaurants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:11   there just are very few good chain pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:13   restaurants and i think most would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:15   local chains that you wouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:17   heard of but it's fine that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:19   also if you're going to have changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:21   pizza I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:21   sure dominoes even the best one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:23   what would it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:25   I was always a bigger fan of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:27   really crappy ones like little caesars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:28   or bus to hunt because like because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:31   if you're gonna go with some really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:33   crappy big grand pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:36   you might as well go like super crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:38   and get like all the junk food value of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:40   it i feel like i would get something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:43   frozen from the supermarket before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:45   would take delivery from any change yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:47   i did i did a lot of those to make a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:48   of like that and those are not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:50   don't get me wrong they're terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:51   that's how bad i think the delivery is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:53   it would take a red baron pizza / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:56   dominoes not not red baron but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:58   something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5098">TS</a>]

01:24:59   what is the thing it's not delivery its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:01   DiGiorno when that marketing werks night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5101">TS</a>]

01:25:03   I don't know what kind of be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:05   matchup like even and anyway like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:09   should've got into the pit stop and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:11   always it's going good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:12   why it was so moving on your imagine no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:15   I can't get past this i can't imagine a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:18   world where somebody says man I'd really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:21   like some pizza and I'd like to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:24   dominos and he in you have to be like mm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:27   dominoes is not good enough for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:29   I'm sorry we're gonna have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:30   somewhere else well you know sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5130">TS</a>]

01:25:32   you have these things you don't like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:34   i think its arm even if this is more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:36   an issue of me even when Marco sings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:37   market like he has his fancy coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:39   right but when he's on the road will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:40   starbucks yeah precisely when I'm on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:42   road i will I would be the equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:44   me is I would choose not to have coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:46   sometimes i do like that's the level on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:48   that with it same thing with pizza bagel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50   I just don't get a pizza if I can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:53   good pizza and it's fine i eat something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:55   else and if someone else gets bad we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:56   don't eat it you know you got to eat to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:58   stay alive right it'sit's not but I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5158">TS</a>]

01:25:59   never choose it like it whereas Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:01   because he's addicted will choose to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:03   our weapons because it's like well it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:05   better than no coffee but no it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:07   better than no pizza no pizza beats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:09   Domino's Pizza my God if I listeners if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:12   I ever get to the point that I'm this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:14   fussy about freaking anything it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:16   it's not funny it's just like it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:18   a preference like i don't i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:19   consider it the same category of food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:21   it's like i'll just pick a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:22   plenty of kind of foods to choose from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:24   like I'm not that picky about burgers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:25   right I'll many more options for burgers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5185">TS</a>]

01:26:28   including ones from chains and lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:29   things from change but when it comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:30   pizza i will just pick a different food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:32   product that i don't think it's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:34   bob is just kind of like that i don't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:36   don't like that doesn't taste good to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:38   i don't want it and I don't need it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:40   chemical reason so i will just pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:42   something else like a I don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:44   sandwich from subway then bad pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:46   I don't know what that sandwich from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:48   subway are are probably the bottom rung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:51   of things that you can call sandwich but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:52   we watched as people know the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:54   we've lost the dominoes brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:56   sponsorship for losing the subway / and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5216">TS</a>]

01:26:57   sponsorship from the show that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59   why we can't have brand advertisers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01   podcasts before he pissed off all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:03   brain will take Waffle House sponsorship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:04   so because they embrace what they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:08   it was more of a steak and shake person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:09   myself over waffle house I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:11   understand why subway so bad you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:13   watching the created in front of you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:16   don't understand why subway as bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:18   please can you stop please don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:20   I'm I'm trying I'm trying to trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:22   help you here do not know i just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:25   your players not until you want to die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:26   on just now finally I'm not saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5246">TS</a>]

01:27:28   it's the hill wanna die I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:30   your help i want to be able to go to any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:32   friggin restaurant I want and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:34   genuinely happy with the meal I've had I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:36   have gone to subway although not lately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:38   and been genuinely happy with me off hat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:40   are there better sandwiches in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:42   absofreakinlutely does that count as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:44   restaurant the show please I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:48   been this angry you too since the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5268">TS</a>]

01:27:49   pro discussions we could just if i ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:55   get this policy and high maintenance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:56   just kicked me in the shins what vodka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5276">TS</a>]

01:27:58   would you drink AZ would you drink that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5278">TS</a>]

01:28:00   they hit the big handle of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5280">TS</a>]

01:28:01   cheap Russian whatever vodka that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:03   in the plastic bottle would you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:04   that they just going to run through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:05   brita filters and it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:07   they had that job for you didn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:11   you're privy to this because this stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:12   stupid secret of vodka is that did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:15   know that whatever i saw that i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:16   know i don't think i don't think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:17   the boards i saw that thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:19   filters like all right everyone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:20   filled with vodka is just I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:22   those BS III don't exactly you're free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:24   to but I thought that was BS maybe it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5304">TS</a>]

01:28:25   BS i might be wrong i'm entirely willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:29   to believe it especially without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:31   all of the first few drinks anyway you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5311">TS</a>]

01:28:32   can just like secretly switched the crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:34   yourself at home Care's well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5314">TS</a>]

01:28:35   convenient here's the thing like I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:37   absolutely choose a fussy vodka like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:39   Tito's if I had the choice but if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:41   don't have the choice or if I'm or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:44   a rail broadcast on happy hour you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5324">TS</a>]

01:28:45   you do is put a couple lemons in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:47   wait a second for to get a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:48   watered down with a little bit of lemon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:50   in it and then you are fine i prefer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:53   titos for sure but I am perfectly happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:55   with a slightly watered down slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:57   lemony vodka and I am and I'd be happier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5337">TS</a>]

01:29:00   about that having saved a bunch of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:02   off getting a real one instead of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:04   Tito's I i would be happy with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:07   although you that is the best example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5347">TS</a>]

01:29:09   heard so far me being fussy wouldn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:11   ruin like a $13 profilter by converting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:15   your cheaper market into $13 more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:17   expensive vodka and a snowman you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5357">TS</a>]

01:29:20   come out ahead of you run it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:21   enough times that so its equivalent like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5361">TS</a>]

01:29:23   the five-hundred-dollar bottle is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:25   five more vodka is like it's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5365">TS</a>]

01:29:27   i'm sure there is i'm absolutely sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:29   there is other absolutely and i should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:31   also note that my fussy vodka Tito's is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:33   like the cheapest of the fussy vodkas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5373">TS</a>]

01:29:36   which is part of the reason why I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:37   it so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:38   remember when when you when you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:40   coming over and we bought a bottle so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:41   that you would not you know judge our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:43   vaca collection so judge of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5383">TS</a>]

01:29:45   no I remember being very surprised how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:47   expensive was because the way you talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:49   about it I thought it would be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:50   really premium priced one but no turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:53   out vodka just terrible nobody president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:55   very high it's not terrible you gin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:57   drinker you are didn't gin drinker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5397">TS</a>]

01:29:59   aren't you know how's your grass tastes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01   like I i occasionally drink in i had not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:04   by itself and I i prefer gin-based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:06   drinks like martinis to drinking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5406">TS</a>]

01:30:08   straight but oh god a gin martini i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5408">TS</a>]

01:30:11   forgot i I'm not that much of a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:12   person I I much prefer either not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:14   drinking or drinking beer i'll see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5414">TS</a>]

01:30:16   to drink your bread i understand i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:20   gonna get so much angry email i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:22   have to quit the show it's gonna be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:24   worst i don't know i tried to help me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5424">TS</a>]

01:30:25   with the subway think it's not too late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:27   as Marco to cut it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:28   no this is meaning you can let it stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:31   at right try to get this back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:33   real slightly i will say John you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:35   you were seemingly puzzled by the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:37   of why would somebody pay like a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:39   20-percent premium for the convenience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:41   of ordering through this through like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5441">TS</a>]

01:30:43   cylinder robot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:44   boys not why but that your audience is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:46   limited because i know those services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48   exist i know the people who use them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:49   they're never gonna be mass market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:50   because twenty percent is just too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:52   for most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5452">TS</a>]

01:30:53   I'll tell you what though I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:54   probably pay roughly that premium to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:57   avoid talking to somebody on the phone i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5457">TS</a>]

01:31:00   hear ya again yeah i know i understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:02   like that's theirs if that was my only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:04   alternative like because like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5464">TS</a>]

01:31:06   places around here that you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:07   you know in in the area that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:09   John both of us live in there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:11   lot of changes present and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:14   place the order from just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:15   independently-owned places and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:17   anything that relies on like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:19   really convenient like or you can order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:21   with our app or things like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:23   most of the places around here don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:24   support that because they dared not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:25   big enough operation to be integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:28   that way to have their own app or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:29   whatever else which means a i can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:32   Apple pay anywhere i can use my chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:34   card anywhere even you know in most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:36   places heat her and be the you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:39   don't support like it any of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:40   automated ways of ordering so if i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:42   to order something i'm still doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:44   the way the San Francisco people think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5504">TS</a>]

01:31:45   is like barbaric of like calling them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:48   the phone and place an order for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:50   delivery or going to going to pick up my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:51   car and I hate talking on the phone so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:55   much especially too nerdy introverts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:57   with with disposable income again it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5517">TS</a>]

01:32:00   narrow market like it where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:02   potential for agents that can do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:05   conversationally without you having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5525">TS</a>]

01:32:07   type things or really pay attention just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:09   yelling commands out into the air the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:10   potential for that is mass market but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:12   the number of people who are currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:14   willing to pay to avoid phone calls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:18   stuff like and and don't blink at twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:20   percent is just too small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:23   like I and I throw these things with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:25   that's another thing against these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:27   things that are funded by having deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5547">TS</a>]

01:32:31   with providers of their services is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:34   exactly the people who are the nerdy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:36   introverted people who don't make phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:38   calls those are exactly the people read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:40   the wire cutter and obsess over which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5560">TS</a>]

01:32:42   light bulbs are going to get and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5562">TS</a>]

01:32:44   people will not be happy not being able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:46   to choose who provides the flowers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:48   even who gives them their weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:49   reported like those are exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:50   people who want the the thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:52   going to use big data to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:56   the best whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:57   is and learn your preferences and do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5577">TS</a>]

01:32:59   that stuff they don't want to be hemmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:01   into you know particular vendors and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:04   I maybe was just hoping to be purchased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:07   by Apple or Google or alphabet or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:10   whatever and that's their biggest plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:13   there but I i I'm not a fan of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:16   model where the product isn't good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:19   enough for users to pay for it yet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:21   the way they make their money is with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:22   back in deals and you have this agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:24   who you can't do you have this personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:26   assistant who can do a limited number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:27   things hopefully if you get the syntax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:29   right and you have no control of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:32   awareness over the companies that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34   filling the things he seemingly no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:37   to get feedback about how well it went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5617">TS</a>]

01:33:39   when the pizza right did you like it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5619">TS</a>]

01:33:41   did you not like you can just get me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:42   pizza but not for that last place that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5622">TS</a>]

01:33:43   was gross so going back to the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:46   topic here these voice assistant things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:48   my I think there's a lot more to discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:50   here we're gonna have time for today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:52   honestly there's a lot more discuss here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5632">TS</a>]

01:33:53   about just how these things are and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:55   the kind of us runs first of all I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5635">TS</a>]

01:33:57   it would be a hilarious business model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5637">TS</a>]

01:33:59   if the series founders just kept making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5639">TS</a>]

01:34:02   things selling them to apple and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5642">TS</a>]

01:34:05   just quitting and making the next thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:06   and then apple buys that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:08   people do that all the time that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:10   serial entrepreneur thing you make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:12   start-up you you know exactly what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5652">TS</a>]

01:34:13   make you know you that you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:15   multiple potential buyers you play them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:17   off each other you sell you do the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:18   one and what you get to do i guess that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:20   is during all that time do the fun part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:22   of that you like starting the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:23   doing the exciting thing or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:25   you just have to exit after exit that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5665">TS</a>]

01:34:27   that's the way some people live their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:29   lives totally viable business model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:30   especially in this day so I it i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5670">TS</a>]

01:34:34   think you know getting back as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5674">TS</a>]

01:34:35   wouldn't be episode of the show without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:37   a completed but Apple we almost made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:39   I know I'm a little bit worried that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5679">TS</a>]

01:34:41   this is an area where like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:43   Apple started this game really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:46   Apple came out with Siri in 2011 right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:50   2011 and you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5690">TS</a>]

01:34:53   Apple started this whole thing really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:55   like you know they were there was voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:56   command stuff before that but Syria was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:58   not took it to another level and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:00   integrated with the phone and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:02   it was it was a big deal and then since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:04   then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:05   Cirie has advanced but fairly slowly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:09   in fairly small steps while the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5709">TS</a>]

01:35:12   time it seems like now there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:15   multiple companies there's amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:18   there's how hounds are other amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:20   hound the vibe give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5720">TS</a>]

01:35:23   there's all these companies now coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:25   out with even better stuff it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:27   giant seem like a generation ahead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5727">TS</a>]

01:35:29   Siri in in like the the intelligence the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5729">TS</a>]

01:35:31   recognition and the accuracy and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:33   like that it seems like Apple kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:35   started this and now everyone's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37   over running them and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:39   apple is like hustling I I've used I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:43   used this this work before that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:45   seemed like apple recently lacks hustle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:47   this is the only area this applies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:49   wear like Apple can start something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:51   everyone else kind of rushes and does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:53   their own version of it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:54   apple just kind of can't keep up is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:57   a problem well that i would call hustle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5757">TS</a>]

01:35:59   in this case like you remember when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:01   jobs.can the the atg Apple technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:05   group for advanced technology group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5765">TS</a>]

01:36:06   everybody G stands for someone someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:08   who works at up all through it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:10   anyway like Apple used to do way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5770">TS</a>]

01:36:11   basic research type stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:13   whole department whose job was to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:15   like basic research type things and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5775">TS</a>]

01:36:18   theory maybe we'll come up with a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:21   ideas that other groups in the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:23   that made actual products would do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:24   Steve Jobs concentrated the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:25   company i'm like no don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5785">TS</a>]

01:36:26   pie-in-the-sky wouldn't it be cool if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:29   let's investigate this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:30   technology that family breakfast or used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5790">TS</a>]

01:36:32   to work at Apple for crying out loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:33   right and jobs like no we want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:35   great products that ship now and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5795">TS</a>]

01:36:37   done that and that's a very successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:39   advanced technology group that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:41   yeah the helpful k see listings in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5801">TS</a>]

01:36:43   chatroom what we want to make actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:47   when my actual products because it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:50   doesn't do anybody good to have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5810">TS</a>]

01:36:51   research ideas and maybe one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53   shows up many years later but things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:56   like Siri that's the only real way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5816">TS</a>]

01:36:58   advance that is with some amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:00   basic research I feel like Apple found a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:02   company that was doing this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5822">TS</a>]

01:37:03   whatever the esri company overcome be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:05   Cirie came from that already had done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:07   the basic research acquired them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:08   productized it and then is working the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:11   improvements to Syria talking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5831">TS</a>]

01:37:13   lot of them have to do with productize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:15   improvements make it more reliable make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:17   it faster building on a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:18   platform but the basic research needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5838">TS</a>]

01:37:20   to take series to the next level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:22   I don't know if that is budgeted for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:24   accounted for dealt with within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:26   realm of Syria that product like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:28   there they feel like they're advancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:29   the product and meanwhile the founders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:31   had left was like I don't want to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:32   incremental advances product or make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5852">TS</a>]

01:37:34   more reliable fast like that's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:35   problem not interested in that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5855">TS</a>]

01:37:37   interested in how do you make the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:39   grade personal assistant or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:43   the fact that they felt like they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:44   leave Apple to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5864">TS</a>]

01:37:46   I mean maybe it's you know maybe they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5866">TS</a>]

01:37:48   there misinform really there was a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:49   in grappling do that basic research and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:51   it should have been part of the plan or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:52   whatever but the apple today is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:55   less focused on basic research stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5875">TS</a>]

01:37:58   and they do like the things they do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5878">TS</a>]

01:38:00   all that research in touch screens and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5880">TS</a>]

01:38:01   stuff like that that's not the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:03   basic research it's more like free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:06   production product things like ideas for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:08   future concrete products and again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:10   think this is a great strategy and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:11   gives you great products instead of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:12   great concept videos don't really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:14   anything it's been the cornerstone of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:15   Apple success so you can't really fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:17   him for that but I think it's also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:19   reason that Google who just tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5899">TS</a>]

01:38:21   crazy ideas and basic research stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5901">TS</a>]

01:38:23   in-house that just never goes anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:24   which we criticize them for and startups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:27   who their whole point is like that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:28   have a great idea let's see it and half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:30   of them died you know care but if i end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5910">TS</a>]

01:38:31   up being successful as we said before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5911">TS</a>]

01:38:33   about just buy them again that i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:36   is actually have a viable strategy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5916">TS</a>]

01:38:38   if they can't or don't want to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:41   that type of advancement in house allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:44   it to flourish out in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:46   wait for all the crappy ones to die find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:48   the ones that are left and buy them at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:49   the right time because one thing Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:51   does have is a lot of money so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:53   Apple vibes live and the next version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5933">TS</a>]

01:38:55   series powered by that and who could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5935">TS</a>]

01:38:57   that's a bad strategy it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5937">TS</a>]

01:38:58   uncomfortable during this time now where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5938">TS</a>]

01:39:00   we see like you know seemingly everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:03   else can do serie better than apple can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:05   and apples just barely working on can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:07   make existing serie reliable and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5947">TS</a>]

01:39:09   little bit smarter and expand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5949">TS</a>]

01:39:11   capabilities and by the way still no api [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5951">TS</a>]

01:39:13   so no real ecosystem or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:15   that I think is uncomfortable but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:16   don't think it's insurmountable because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:18   you just throw money at whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:20   most people think the problem is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:22   Google is the one who does that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:24   Syria better than Syria which arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:26   they already have this google is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5966">TS</a>]

01:39:27   going to sell you their stuff so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:29   a problem for Apple but the vivre is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5969">TS</a>]

01:39:32   a problem for Apple it's a it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:34   opportune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:34   I'm going with vibe now that's the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:38   HTC be our thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5978">TS</a>]

01:39:40   yeah but I'm never going to get that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5980">TS</a>]

01:39:41   that leaves two I don't even now that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:43   viv [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5983">TS</a>]

01:39:44   alright thanks 143 sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:46   fracture freshbooks and back plays and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:48   we will see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:51   now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:56   mean to begin because it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/5996">TS</a>]

01:40:00   it was accidental John research Margo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:06   and Casey would let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6006">TS</a>]

01:40:08   because it was accidentally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6008">TS</a>]

01:40:11   accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6011">TS</a>]

01:40:13   you can find the show know today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6013">TS</a>]

01:40:16   DP die and if twitter follow them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:23   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:29   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:36   syracuse it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6036">TS</a>]

01:40:49   so Instagram change their icon everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:54   lost their I don't like the icon that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:56   much but I don't think it's the total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:58   dumpster fire that everyone else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6058">TS</a>]

01:41:00   pretty bad it's pretty bad its remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:02   one web two point was the thing you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6062">TS</a>]

01:41:03   remember web 2.0 yeah gradients and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:05   rounded corners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:06   yeah the web 2.0 parody sites that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6066">TS</a>]

01:41:08   like make fun of all the design tropes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:11   point out the Instagram icon looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:14   a modern version of making fun of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6074">TS</a>]

01:41:16   flat design tropes I could see that give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6076">TS</a>]

01:41:19   you if you tried to do a parody iconic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6079">TS</a>]

01:41:21   like imagine the Instagram icon adopted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:24   all of the current fashion trends in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:26   most obvious and glaring ways you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:28   get that stupid thing but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6088">TS</a>]

01:41:30   it's that bad i mean it's not as bad as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6090">TS</a>]

01:41:31   domino's pizza or vodka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:33   yeah I like it it's fine whatever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6093">TS</a>]

01:41:36   it has some things going for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6096">TS</a>]

01:41:38   especially look at their alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:40   designs and boring some of those where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6100">TS</a>]

01:41:41   like the design that was like a a black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:43   square with a white circle in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:45   of it like just now let's workshop that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:48   a little bit more at least this one has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6108">TS</a>]

01:41:51   something to it will stand out a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:54   bit on people screens because it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6114">TS</a>]

01:41:56   just a flat color like has so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6116">TS</a>]

01:42:00   people said on Twitter and as I've said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6120">TS</a>]

01:42:02   about windows XP and bumper sounds in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:04   the end it doesn't matter that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6124">TS</a>]

01:42:06   because long-term eventually you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6126">TS</a>]

01:42:08   come to associate with whatever the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6128">TS</a>]

01:42:10   image they make you will come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6130">TS</a>]

01:42:11   associate that with instagram and kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:12   who are just getting the first iphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:14   now don't know what the old icon looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6134">TS</a>]

01:42:15   like we'll be fine with it and order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:16   screws in but it is not the type of i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6136">TS</a>]

01:42:19   think that that explains why it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:24   disaster but I think you can also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:27   an icon that the initial impression is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:30   that it's a nice well-designed pleasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6150">TS</a>]

01:42:32   icon and it also will come to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6152">TS</a>]

01:42:35   associated with the application that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6155">TS</a>]

01:42:36   know and love like you don't have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6156">TS</a>]

01:42:38   that as if it's an either/or well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:39   can have an icon that is immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6159">TS</a>]

01:42:40   attracted but it will be crap long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6160">TS</a>]

01:42:42   now will also be good long-term so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6162">TS</a>]

01:42:45   feel like this one is a missed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:47   opportunity to make a better icon and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6167">TS</a>]

01:42:49   don't particularly like it but it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6169">TS</a>]

01:42:51   fine it's not it's not disastrous like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:53   was the disastrous one like when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6173">TS</a>]

01:42:54   tried to do that tropicana orange juice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:56   and a backpedal not you always know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:57   disaster if they change their minds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6177">TS</a>]

01:42:59   come back into shows from now and see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6179">TS</a>]

01:43:01   they change the icon back but i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6181">TS</a>]

01:43:02   feeling the wall because it's not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6182">TS</a>]

01:43:03   bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:04   the other changes they've made recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6184">TS</a>]

01:43:06   or more offensive that like the icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6186">TS</a>]

01:43:09   like they replaced one crap icon with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6189">TS</a>]

01:43:11   another crap icon like the old icon was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6191">TS</a>]

01:43:14   crap to it was just our family crap that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6194">TS</a>]

01:43:16   was that had a really good branding like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:18   it was it was it looked great in ios6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6198">TS</a>]

01:43:21   right and i stayed a long time but at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:23   certain point when you're the last one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6203">TS</a>]

01:43:24   standing I think you could become sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:26   of an act of defiance or like a quark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:30   and you know the only one only one icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:33   gets to do that you can have a home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:35   screen that has like six icons it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:36   looks like I OSX but if only one does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6216">TS</a>]

01:43:38   like all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6218">TS</a>]

01:43:40   sure go with that but yeah it didn't to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6220">TS</a>]

01:43:42   be updated and they had a difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6222">TS</a>]

01:43:43   challenge but I inside the app i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:45   actually like I like the like the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:47   that it doesn't look like the essential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6227">TS</a>]

01:43:49   item on the toolbar is constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:50   selected like this like that stupid blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:52   is gone i'm pretty big fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:54   yeah I completely agree i really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:57   like the the new look of the app and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6237">TS</a>]

01:44:01   think you and I are mostly on the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:03   page about the icon like I don't love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6243">TS</a>]

01:44:04   but I don't think it's bad I i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:07   didn't think the last one was bad yes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:09   looked outdated but I I completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:11   concur that the branding was great i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:13   think i would have preferred just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:14   flattened or perhaps simplified simplify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6254">TS</a>]

01:44:17   that about a simplified version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6257">TS</a>]

01:44:20   old icon but i would have been pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6260">TS</a>]

01:44:22   timid though if they did that everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6262">TS</a>]

01:44:23   like I go you did the obvious thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:27   just made a flat shaded version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6267">TS</a>]

01:44:28   camera and I i think that would be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:30   difficult i think that actually less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6270">TS</a>]

01:44:32   successful than this because I yeah your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6272">TS</a>]

01:44:34   brother may be immediately kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6274">TS</a>]

01:44:36   inoffensive you won't have gone anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:38   this is at least is you know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6278">TS</a>]

01:44:41   can tell they made a change it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:42   like it's a subtle tweak nope big change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6282">TS</a>]

01:44:45   well it on top of that this icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:47   definitely stands out which presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:49   is the goal right it's not another damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6289">TS</a>]

01:44:52   blue icon you know it's it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6292">TS</a>]

01:44:54   that is a color palette that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6294">TS</a>]

01:44:57   different than anything else i have on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6297">TS</a>]

01:45:00   my home screen and of course that may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6300">TS</a>]

01:45:02   not be true for everyone but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6302">TS</a>]

01:45:03   certainly the case on my phone I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6303">TS</a>]

01:45:05   jumps out at me on my home screen it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6305">TS</a>]

01:45:07   on my very very first home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:09   because that's how much i love this damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6309">TS</a>]

01:45:11   ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6311">TS</a>]

01:45:11   so I i think the icons ok i'm sure all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6311">TS</a>]

01:45:16   come to think it's decent over time like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6316">TS</a>]

01:45:18   you said John but I completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6318">TS</a>]

01:45:20   completely agree i love the muted look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6320">TS</a>]

01:45:23   of the app itself so that damn near all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6323">TS</a>]

01:45:26   the color is either your profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6326">TS</a>]

01:45:29   pictures or the actual photos on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6329">TS</a>]

01:45:31   Instagram I really really like it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6331">TS</a>]

01:45:33   would pay money to get rid of the ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6333">TS</a>]

01:45:35   though the ads on my Instagram feed are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6335">TS</a>]

01:45:37   just oppressive like I don't thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6337">TS</a>]

01:45:39   maybe I don't follow enough people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6339">TS</a>]

01:45:40   it seems like every fifth thing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6340">TS</a>]

01:45:42   giant and I I'm seeing are rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:45   scrolling pass without looking way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6345">TS</a>]

01:45:47   many freaking add the Instagram like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6347">TS</a>]

01:45:48   please i will give you i guess i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:50   give them a dollar a month maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6350">TS</a>]

01:45:52   not worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6352">TS</a>]

01:45:52   I'm so just continue to scroll past the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6352">TS</a>]

01:45:54   edge but i know some people like oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6354">TS</a>]

01:45:56   don't see any ads in my feeding I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6356">TS</a>]

01:45:57   know what Albert my trip to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6357">TS</a>]

01:45:59   spam me with that like crazy but too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6359">TS</a>]

01:46:02   many too many ads yeah I mean for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6362">TS</a>]

01:46:05   while I had no ads and it was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6365">TS</a>]

01:46:07   then a few months ago I started getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6367">TS</a>]

01:46:09   a very heavy add like we are describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6369">TS</a>]

01:46:11   and it really almost rude instagram for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6371">TS</a>]

01:46:13   me and I didn't go back for a while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6373">TS</a>]

01:46:16   guess my engagement dropped and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6376">TS</a>]

01:46:18   recently I just kind of stopped seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6378">TS</a>]

01:46:20   ads like they did like flip back off for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6380">TS</a>]

01:46:23   me but the other day about two days ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6383">TS</a>]

01:46:26   I somehow got switched to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:30   algorithmic timeline and you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6390">TS</a>]

01:46:33   they could put any icon they wanted into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:36   the ugliest graphical theme they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6396">TS</a>]

01:46:38   just give me my stupid chronological [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:41   timeline back because the algorithmic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:43   timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6403">TS</a>]

01:46:44   I mean I I'm just not used to it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6404">TS</a>]

01:46:47   maybe i will get used to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6407">TS</a>]

01:46:48   appreciate it and I've never used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6408">TS</a>]

01:46:51   anything else with an argument timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6411">TS</a>]

01:46:54   I I don't read facebook ok i technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:57   have an account there but I literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6417">TS</a>]

01:46:58   have never used it to read its newsfeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6418">TS</a>]

01:47:00   I've never done that I don't use like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6420">TS</a>]

01:47:03   YouTube subscriptions or things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6423">TS</a>]

01:47:05   that to like browse youtube I don't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6425">TS</a>]

01:47:08   whatever twitter is doing with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6428">TS</a>]

01:47:10   everything I don't I don't whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6430">TS</a>]

01:47:11   maybe just drop into it but i don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6431">TS</a>]

01:47:13   I've never seen it so I the only this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6433">TS</a>]

01:47:16   the first time I've ever actually seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6436">TS</a>]

01:47:17   an auger timeline and something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6437">TS</a>]

01:47:19   previously didn't have fun and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:23   terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6443">TS</a>]

01:47:24   like it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6444">TS</a>]

01:47:25   any sense like I'm seeing pictures out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:27   of order that they happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6447">TS</a>]

01:47:29   I have no idea when I've like seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6449">TS</a>]

01:47:31   everything I I'm seeing things that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:33   that don't make sense that make me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6453">TS</a>]

01:47:35   that I've reached completion but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6455">TS</a>]

01:47:37   haven't I see right below it like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6457">TS</a>]

01:47:39   here's one that I saw 12 hours ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:42   right below is one from eight minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6462">TS</a>]

01:47:44   ago and that you've gotta be kidding me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6464">TS</a>]

01:47:46   for all these years I've been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6466">TS</a>]

01:47:47   Instagram that mentioned this before but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6467">TS</a>]

01:47:49   what i do is i launched instagram app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6469">TS</a>]

01:47:51   and it shows me whatever picture I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6471">TS</a>]

01:47:53   doing last time briefly he had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6473">TS</a>]

01:47:55   refresh is for right and then I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6475">TS</a>]

01:47:58   memorized in that brief moment memories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6478">TS</a>]

01:48:00   with images and then scroll backwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6480">TS</a>]

01:48:01   like it to it kept saying I'm basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6481">TS</a>]

01:48:03   doing my own my own tweet marker don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6483">TS</a>]

01:48:05   get used to that because that's how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6485">TS</a>]

01:48:06   read it I admit I'm an Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6486">TS</a>]

01:48:08   completionist i read them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6488">TS</a>]

01:48:09   chronologically and I don't want to miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6489">TS</a>]

01:48:10   any it's slightly confused by the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6490">TS</a>]

01:48:12   that i see a lot of the cross posted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:14   Twitter sometimes I think I've seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6494">TS</a>]

01:48:16   one already must have gone too far but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6496">TS</a>]

01:48:17   no that's why i gotta memorize the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6497">TS</a>]

01:48:19   that play however i got i know exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6499">TS</a>]

01:48:20   what you're saying if they ever if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6500">TS</a>]

01:48:22   ever fix the absolute doesn't flash the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6502">TS</a>]

01:48:24   last images on the screen right before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6504">TS</a>]

01:48:25   regression the timeline would totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6505">TS</a>]

01:48:26   screwed my workforce by got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6506">TS</a>]

01:48:28   algorithmic one I don't know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6508">TS</a>]

01:48:30   would do maybe just stop using Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6510">TS</a>]

01:48:31   but i'll have to try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6511">TS</a>]

01:48:33   honestly that's what I'm considering it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6513">TS</a>]

01:48:35   because it's that bad like so I'm here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6515">TS</a>]

01:48:37   read my mind now i have four hours ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6517">TS</a>]

01:48:39   three hours ago four hours four hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6519">TS</a>]

01:48:42   five hours 10 hours one day eight hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6522">TS</a>]

01:48:47   to days 10 hours one day like it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6527">TS</a>]

01:48:51   completely shuffle 12 hours it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:53   shuffled like I'll see things even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6533">TS</a>]

01:48:56   you know so you might be able to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6536">TS</a>]

01:48:58   you know like I noticed that it puts my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6538">TS</a>]

01:49:00   wife up top so I usually like her photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6540">TS</a>]

01:49:03   and I try to see them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6543">TS</a>]

01:49:04   it even shows her photos out of order it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6544">TS</a>]

01:49:07   is so disruptive and their see I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6547">TS</a>]

01:49:10   find any option anywhere to to flip back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:12   i think this is just something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6552">TS</a>]

01:49:14   there presumably doing to either boost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6554">TS</a>]

01:49:17   some engagement thing that they measured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6557">TS</a>]

01:49:19   once on facebook or they want to they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6559">TS</a>]

01:49:24   want a new revenue stream of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6564">TS</a>]

01:49:25   charging the brands that you follow to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6565">TS</a>]

01:49:28   appear higher up in your stream or both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6568">TS</a>]

01:49:31   you know it's charging charging brands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6571">TS</a>]

01:49:33   to make more people see the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6573">TS</a>]

01:49:34   have 20 million followers but will show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6574">TS</a>]

01:49:36   your thing to 10 of them unless you pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6576">TS</a>]

01:49:38   yeah it's like you earn those followers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6578">TS</a>]

01:49:40   those people also i want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6580">TS</a>]

01:49:42   everything this person post and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6582">TS</a>]

01:49:44   gonna charge you for access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6584">TS</a>]

01:49:45   audience that you earned yeah that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6585">TS</a>]

01:49:47   facebook model and facebook instagram so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6587">TS</a>]

01:49:50   that's probably with us for and man it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6590">TS</a>]

01:49:52   sucks as a user I feel so bad now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6592">TS</a>]

01:49:55   literally the entire rest of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6595">TS</a>]

01:49:58   who actually uses facebook who you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6598">TS</a>]

01:49:59   trying to make sense of that news feed i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:01   remember when they made that change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6601">TS</a>]

01:50:03   newsfeed a few years back remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6603">TS</a>]

01:50:05   everybody was all upset and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6605">TS</a>]

01:50:07   really understand why but now I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6607">TS</a>]

01:50:09   because it it completely changes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6609">TS</a>]

01:50:11   nature of the service and it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6611">TS</a>]

01:50:13   breaks it for me like i really i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6613">TS</a>]

01:50:15   don't like this and i think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6615">TS</a>]

01:50:16   going to reduce my usage of Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6616">TS</a>]

01:50:19   substantially I think instead maybe i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6619">TS</a>]

01:50:22   wrong about this but Instagram seems not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6622">TS</a>]

01:50:25   uniquely vulnerable but more vulnerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:27   than usual to if they screw things up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6627">TS</a>]

01:50:30   someone saying alright well just make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6630">TS</a>]

01:50:32   Instagram to work like it used to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6632">TS</a>]

01:50:33   imagine one that actually kept track of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6633">TS</a>]

01:50:34   where you were in the timeline and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6634">TS</a>]

01:50:36   a straight ahead i believe it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6636">TS</a>]

01:50:38   sweet but I know but it is the social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6638">TS</a>]

01:50:40   graph so embedded because i can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6640">TS</a>]

01:50:42   that facebook says because too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6642">TS</a>]

01:50:44   features too many users it's too big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6644">TS</a>]

01:50:46   instagram has a lot of users but not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6646">TS</a>]

01:50:47   lot of features and it's still kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6647">TS</a>]

01:50:49   an island unto itself like they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6649">TS</a>]

01:50:50   really totally integrated with facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6650">TS</a>]

01:50:52   at this point so if it if Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6652">TS</a>]

01:50:56   really does screw things up and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6656">TS</a>]

01:50:58   maybe there's a generation people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6658">TS</a>]

01:50:59   all they're stuck on Instagram but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6659">TS</a>]

01:51:00   look at snapchat comes out of nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6660">TS</a>]

01:51:02   you can grab new users with the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6662">TS</a>]

01:51:03   product that people find compelling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6663">TS</a>]

01:51:04   Instagram breaks everybody's workflows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6664">TS</a>]

01:51:06   who they care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6666">TS</a>]

01:51:08   there is a market opportunity for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6668">TS</a>]

01:51:10   someone to do a very straightforward iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6670">TS</a>]

01:51:13   app that shows you the pictures your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6673">TS</a>]

01:51:14   friends took in order and has a simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6674">TS</a>]

01:51:16   asymmetrical following process like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6676">TS</a>]

01:51:19   Twitter and has likes and comments like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6679">TS</a>]

01:51:21   it's not technologically unfeasible all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6681">TS</a>]

01:51:25   this requires facebook to anger enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6685">TS</a>]

01:51:27   people to make a viable market for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6687">TS</a>]

01:51:28   other small competitor even if it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6688">TS</a>]

01:51:30   like a company is never going to be his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6690">TS</a>]

01:51:31   biggest facebook is never gonna are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6691">TS</a>]

01:51:33   never too big as Instagram never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6693">TS</a>]

01:51:35   to usurp Instagram but merely become an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6695">TS</a>]

01:51:37   alternative is you consider it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6697">TS</a>]

01:51:39   successful app.net for Instagram hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6699">TS</a>]

01:51:42   dammit you feel great away from me i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6702">TS</a>]

01:51:44   so excited to make that joke but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6704">TS</a>]

01:51:46   nevermind joke i mean it's a thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6706">TS</a>]

01:51:48   could possibly happen like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6708">TS</a>]

01:51:50   inconceivable that can be a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6710">TS</a>]

01:51:52   depending on how badly in serum screws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6712">TS</a>]

01:51:54   it up and how many people's work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6714">TS</a>]

01:51:55   actually doesn't drop for all we know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6715">TS</a>]

01:51:56   guess people chattering if you follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6716">TS</a>]

01:51:58   tons of people on algorithmic timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6718">TS</a>]

01:52:00   is indistinguishable from a non out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6720">TS</a>]

01:52:01   where that one because you never keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6721">TS</a>]

01:52:02   track of anything anyway you just launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6722">TS</a>]

01:52:03   the app and you scroll until you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6723">TS</a>]

01:52:05   satisfied or something i do people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6725">TS</a>]

01:52:06   scroll backwards like launch the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6726">TS</a>]

01:52:08   that gives it to the top of the timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6728">TS</a>]

01:52:09   and they scroll the other way i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6729">TS</a>]

01:52:11   anything until they get until they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6731">TS</a>]

01:52:12   until I see a picture that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6732">TS</a>]

01:52:14   recognize already then they stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6734">TS</a>]

01:52:16   yep that help people use it that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6736">TS</a>]

01:52:18   only way you really could use it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6738">TS</a>]

01:52:19   alright here's the way I was using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6739">TS</a>]

01:52:21   anyway Casey was using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6741">TS</a>]

01:52:23   yeah memorize the picture Scroll scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6743">TS</a>]

01:52:25   Scroll scroll a little game Scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6745">TS</a>]

01:52:26   scroll found it now go through them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6746">TS</a>]

01:52:28   see I misunderstood i actually do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6748">TS</a>]

01:52:30   you just described by misunderstood your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6750">TS</a>]

01:52:32   region I and when it loads i see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6752">TS</a>]

01:52:34   picture like it i see the picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6754">TS</a>]

01:52:35   like I don't know like a Mike Maddux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6755">TS</a>]

01:52:38   took pictures of cows in a field and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6758">TS</a>]

01:52:39   that blinks on screen for a second and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6759">TS</a>]

01:52:41   then it loads 50 other pictures that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6761">TS</a>]

01:52:42   scroll down to find the cow picture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6762">TS</a>]

01:52:44   then I see the cal picture and then move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6764">TS</a>]

01:52:46   down but then you're spoiling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6766">TS</a>]

01:52:48   yeah but now I know passing really fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6768">TS</a>]

01:52:50   all come on what you have to do is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6770">TS</a>]

01:52:52   have to pay an assistant five dollars a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6772">TS</a>]

01:52:53   month to scroll for you haha SI deve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6773">TS</a>]

01:52:57   take me to take hey we do the picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6777">TS</a>]

01:52:59   that I last saw which again when i first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6779">TS</a>]

01:53:02   played with instagram like me don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6782">TS</a>]

01:53:04   understand how that works is it broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6784">TS</a>]

01:53:05   to people how to regular people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6785">TS</a>]

01:53:08   Instagram because every time i wanted i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6788">TS</a>]

01:53:09   wanted to show me the last picture I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6789">TS</a>]

01:53:10   the same overtime logical for twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6790">TS</a>]

01:53:12   app on it showed me last week a red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6792">TS</a>]

01:53:14   frustrating i think the way regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6794">TS</a>]

01:53:16   people do it if they care enough at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6796">TS</a>]

01:53:18   is is what you just described what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6798">TS</a>]

01:53:21   and it sounds like Marco does which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6801">TS</a>]

01:53:22   ok memorize what I just saw and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6802">TS</a>]

01:53:24   start at the top in canada we did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6804">TS</a>]

01:53:27   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6807">TS</a>]

01:53:28   exactly i'm too old to keep that an inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6808">TS</a>]

01:53:30   short term memory for that long I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6810">TS</a>]

01:53:32   couple of seconds before it leaves my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6812">TS</a>]

01:53:33   head entirely Scroll scroll to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6813">TS</a>]

01:53:34   through a cow stop good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6814">TS</a>]

01:53:36   well the problem is I with the cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6816">TS</a>]

01:53:39   post also screwed me up too because on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6819">TS</a>]

01:53:41   it then I convince myself that the 1i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6821">TS</a>]

01:53:43   just saw like that that I'd seen on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6823">TS</a>]

01:53:45   Twitter previously was the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6825">TS</a>]

01:53:47   flash when i open the app and sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6827">TS</a>]

01:53:48   that's not right that's why I got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6828">TS</a>]

01:53:50   gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6830">TS</a>]

01:53:51   yeah try my technique it's a it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6831">TS</a>]

01:53:53   only have to remember to a very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6833">TS</a>]

01:53:54   period of time and you can really forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6834">TS</a>]

01:53:55   it enjoy it while you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6835">TS</a>]

01:53:57   don't close the instagram app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6837">TS</a>]

01:53:59   because you're relaunch it if it get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6839">TS</a>]

01:54:01   purged out of memory then you'll be back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6841">TS</a>]

01:54:02   to the top again I never noticed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6842">TS</a>]

01:54:05   but now that you say that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6845">TS</a>]

01:54:06   absolutely right i never thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6846">TS</a>]

01:54:08   it that way that's why I'm all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6848">TS</a>]

01:54:09   three people on Instagram that I'm able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6849">TS</a>]

01:54:11   to maintain this workflow just giving my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6851">TS</a>]

01:54:16   regular timeline back for God's sake i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6856">TS</a>]

01:54:18   gonna get so many emails we definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6858">TS</a>]

01:54:21   yeah i think that you will find you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6861">TS</a>]

01:54:23   there are some kin of the subway defend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6863">TS</a>]

01:54:26   are somewhat someone's already wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6866">TS</a>]

01:54:27   just me of course saying that I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6867">TS</a>]

01:54:30   crazy and that it's okay to like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6870">TS</a>]

01:54:33   that other people don't like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6873">TS</a>]

01:54:34   too scared to see them at all those huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6874">TS</a>]

01:54:36   apparently let somebody as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6876">TS</a>]

01:54:38   somebody's file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6878">TS</a>]

01:54:39   oh yeah subways the words oh yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6879">TS</a>]

01:54:41   you know sbarro pizza that's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6881">TS</a>]

01:54:42   better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6882">TS</a>]

01:54:43   some arbys is better than subway yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6883">TS</a>]

01:54:45   you're correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6885">TS</a>]

01:54:46   mmm is it I idea i don't think its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6886">TS</a>]

01:54:49   equivalent it is absolutely one that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6889">TS</a>]

01:54:52   better it is better it is a better food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6892">TS</a>]

01:54:54   product on a good food product but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6894">TS</a>]

01:54:56   better i think there is something i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6896">TS</a>]

01:54:58   could order at subway that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6898">TS</a>]

01:54:59   rather have then anything is a bar would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6899">TS</a>]

01:55:02   serve now because here's the thing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6902">TS</a>]

01:55:04   so far they have dough sauce cheese they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6904">TS</a>]

01:55:07   assemble them and make them hot that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6907">TS</a>]

01:55:09   not good sauce is not good that she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6909">TS</a>]

01:55:10   not good how we set any different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6910">TS</a>]

01:55:12   subway subway has something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6912">TS</a>]

01:55:15   think is bread but is actually some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6915">TS</a>]

01:55:17   of mold that grows into a bread shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6917">TS</a>]

01:55:19   like this little mutant like read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6919">TS</a>]

01:55:21   fetuses that there have been some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6921">TS</a>]

01:55:23   conservatives and chemicals on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6923">TS</a>]

01:55:25   right and the cold cuts are I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6925">TS</a>]

01:55:27   what they are but like they're just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6927">TS</a>]

01:55:30   I have a frozen are they are they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6930">TS</a>]

01:55:33   they're just they're not they don't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6933">TS</a>]

01:55:34   like our tastes like what cold cuts are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6934">TS</a>]

01:55:35   supposed to be like we know what coach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6935">TS</a>]

01:55:37   was supposed to be you go to the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6937">TS</a>]

01:55:38   you slice them you get that like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6938">TS</a>]

01:55:40   these sort of I don't know what's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6940">TS</a>]

01:55:42   with them they just they just look and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6942">TS</a>]

01:55:44   taste like preservatives and coming this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6944">TS</a>]

01:55:45   little units that they just they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6945">TS</a>]

01:55:47   there's not religious not right but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6947">TS</a>]

01:55:49   do you what do you think is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6949">TS</a>]

01:55:50   ingredient quality at sbarro's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6950">TS</a>]

01:55:53   well but as a that's what I'm saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6953">TS</a>]

01:55:54   feel like their cheese is more like real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6954">TS</a>]

01:55:56   just like there's nothing to go wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6956">TS</a>]

01:55:57   like this little quote there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6957">TS</a>]

01:55:59   coolant like salami like salami the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6959">TS</a>]

01:56:01   difficult product to get right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6961">TS</a>]

01:56:02   Sbarro's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6962">TS</a>]

01:56:03   no tomorrow the subway salami is I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6963">TS</a>]

01:56:05   know what the hell it is like same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6965">TS</a>]

01:56:07   with the cheese simply just the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6967">TS</a>]

01:56:09   preassembled like here's the ingredients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6969">TS</a>]

01:56:11   for this type of sandwich slapped on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6971">TS</a>]

01:56:13   their it like it and get the bread and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6973">TS</a>]

01:56:16   the cold was such a big part of it then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6976">TS</a>]

01:56:18   you say okay well maybe the tomatoes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6978">TS</a>]

01:56:19   a lot of the fine maybe maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6979">TS</a>]

01:56:21   tomatoes and legs are fine equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6981">TS</a>]

01:56:22   whatever the sbarros using but tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6982">TS</a>]

01:56:24   has no equivalent even the pepperoni I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6984">TS</a>]

01:56:27   feel like pepperonis the type of product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6987">TS</a>]

01:56:28   where you're not you know there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6988">TS</a>]

01:56:31   sort of gold standard for pepperonis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6991">TS</a>]

01:56:33   lots of variability and it's all kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6993">TS</a>]

01:56:35   crappy and one way or the other but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6995">TS</a>]

01:56:37   you know that sauce dough and cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6997">TS</a>]

01:56:39   I feel like is a higher quality is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/6999">TS</a>]

01:56:40   these are honest products not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7000">TS</a>]

01:56:42   tasting product is tomorrow but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7002">TS</a>]

01:56:43   honestly there whereas at subway they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7003">TS</a>]

01:56:46   taking a sandwich and screwing up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7006">TS</a>]

01:56:48   bread and the cold cut parts of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7008">TS</a>]

01:56:49   then I'm like I'm out that's it what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7009">TS</a>]

01:56:51   was left i'm not going to go there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7011">TS</a>]

01:56:53   the tomatoes and the lettuce it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7013">TS</a>]

01:56:55   is incredibly vile this is cognitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7015">TS</a>]

01:56:57   dissonance what about the cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7017">TS</a>]

01:56:58   triangles on the GL that she's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7018">TS</a>]

01:57:00   tessellation minutes yeah that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7020">TS</a>]

01:57:02   just a silly problem assembly problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7022">TS</a>]

01:57:04   but elbow cheese shouldn't really be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7024">TS</a>]

01:57:05   triangle-shaped really I mean it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7025">TS</a>]

01:57:08   be squares or circles right we know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7028">TS</a>]

01:57:10   has triangle cheese it's just like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7030">TS</a>]

01:57:12   they even bothering to cutting that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7032">TS</a>]

01:57:13   think it starts out of the square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7033">TS</a>]

01:57:15   I know and they cut into triangles why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7035">TS</a>]

01:57:16   so they can screw up the tessellation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7036">TS</a>]

01:57:17   anger people and it's making sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7037">TS</a>]

01:57:20   I don't understand II you're just waving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7040">TS</a>]

01:57:23   your hands in the air and said like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7043">TS</a>]

01:57:24   just don't care and saying oh sbarros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7044">TS</a>]

01:57:26   great ingredients but subway they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7046">TS</a>]

01:57:29   be great and not a great green that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7049">TS</a>]

01:57:31   there more straightforward and honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7051">TS</a>]

01:57:32   like no one's going to say that pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7052">TS</a>]

01:57:34   dough isn't pizza dough worries i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7054">TS</a>]

01:57:36   they're ready since that whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7056">TS</a>]

01:57:38   it's like eating how you don't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7058">TS</a>]

01:57:39   fresh every yummy bacon fresh from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7059">TS</a>]

01:57:42   from what from terrible like mushroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7062">TS</a>]

01:57:45   mold spore bread filled with Sbarro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7065">TS</a>]

01:57:47   doesn't get shipped the same bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7067">TS</a>]

01:57:50   probably from the same damn bigger ego [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7070">TS</a>]

01:57:52   is no it's not it's it pizza dough is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7072">TS</a>]

01:57:54   more straightforward to like like here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7074">TS</a>]

01:57:56   the problem is it there are so many good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7076">TS</a>]

01:57:58   places where you can get sample i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7078">TS</a>]

01:57:59   maybe have to be from New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7079">TS</a>]

01:58:00   understand anything you want a sandwich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7080">TS</a>]

01:58:01   with cold cuts on it it's not a high bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7081">TS</a>]

01:58:03   there's a billion delis in new york [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7083">TS</a>]

01:58:06   state that can give you a sandwich with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7086">TS</a>]

01:58:08   cold cuts on that is so much better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7088">TS</a>]

01:58:10   subway that you shouldn't just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7090">TS</a>]

01:58:12   pretend that store doesn't even exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7092">TS</a>]

01:58:14   anymore like you can go to whole foods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7094">TS</a>]

01:58:16   and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7096">TS</a>]

01:58:17   better sandwich like you can go to any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7097">TS</a>]

01:58:19   supermarket and have them assemble you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7099">TS</a>]

01:58:21   sandwich with cold cuts on it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7101">TS</a>]

01:58:22   better than someone you can go to panera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7102">TS</a>]

01:58:23   also way better than that like I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7103">TS</a>]

01:58:25   think of anything worse than subway it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7105">TS</a>]

01:58:26   how can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7106">TS</a>]

01:58:27   is there any place that will sell you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7107">TS</a>]

01:58:28   worse sandwich from subway this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7108">TS</a>]

01:58:30   question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7110">TS</a>]

01:58:30   I can't think of one like a bubble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7110">TS</a>]

01:58:32   letter board here for it when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7112">TS</a>]

01:58:34   wrapped in saran wrap those sandwiches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7114">TS</a>]

01:58:35   are better than subway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7115">TS</a>]

01:58:37   that's what i'm getting at like at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7117">TS</a>]

01:58:38   have real bread on even actually even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7118">TS</a>]

01:58:40   like when arbys added sandwiches to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7120">TS</a>]

01:58:42   their menu like a while back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7122">TS</a>]

01:58:44   they're way better than subway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7124">TS</a>]

01:58:45   sandwiches and that's from arbys yes I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7125">TS</a>]

01:58:47   saying like it and then again those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7127">TS</a>]

01:58:49   probably little hamburger buns like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7129">TS</a>]

01:58:51   actually actually got like bread and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7131">TS</a>]

01:58:53   like they started stocking all I'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7133">TS</a>]

01:58:54   bread and cold cuts and stuff and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7134">TS</a>]

01:58:56   started making that way is the subway is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7136">TS</a>]

01:58:58   I feel like the bottom rung of any chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7138">TS</a>]

01:59:01   food in in the world like it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7141">TS</a>]

01:59:04   in the world I can't think of anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7144">TS</a>]

01:59:05   worse who you talk to brian just pointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7145">TS</a>]

01:59:07   out what is worse at which I assume he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7147">TS</a>]

01:59:09   said he said the plastic triangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7149">TS</a>]

01:59:11   sandwiches i assume he's talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7151">TS</a>]

01:59:12   the ones you getting gas stations that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7152">TS</a>]

01:59:13   what i was saying I was saying at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7153">TS</a>]

01:59:14   air plastic triangle sandwiches at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7154">TS</a>]

01:59:16   airport are better than subway they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7156">TS</a>]

01:59:18   probably give you know you know in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7158">TS</a>]

01:59:20   job because they have made with real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7160">TS</a>]

01:59:22   bread there and you know your weight are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7162">TS</a>]

01:59:25   you sure no ingredients are gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7165">TS</a>]

01:59:26   gross but most of the grossest because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7166">TS</a>]

01:59:28   they've been there for a long time which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7168">TS</a>]

01:59:30   is also why your food poisoning which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7170">TS</a>]

01:59:31   why you shouldn't eat them but based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7171">TS</a>]

01:59:33   like you know what what are they made up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7173">TS</a>]

01:59:36   their made of bread there and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7176">TS</a>]

01:59:38   ingredients in them they're made of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7178">TS</a>]

01:59:39   pathogens that sometimes the airport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7179">TS</a>]

01:59:41   sandwiches are bad because they're made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7181">TS</a>]

01:59:43   with ingredients don't have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7183">TS</a>]

01:59:44   preservatives and everybody just sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7184">TS</a>]

01:59:45   there and they get all gross like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7185">TS</a>]

01:59:46   it'sit's like any airplane food like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7186">TS</a>]

01:59:48   they try to make it out of good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7188">TS</a>]

01:59:49   ingredients but if you know you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7189">TS</a>]

01:59:51   this precooked chicken and tomatoes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7191">TS</a>]

01:59:53   you let them sit there and you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7193">TS</a>]

01:59:54   this or even better with preservatives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7194">TS</a>]

01:59:55   because this is just SAT there too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7195">TS</a>]

01:59:57   gone through too many pressure changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7197">TS</a>]

01:59:58   and now it's just a vile rubber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7198">TS</a>]

01:59:58   and now it's just a vile rubber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7198">TS</a>]

02:00:00   the tasteless mess you know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7200">TS</a>]

02:00:02   infuriating about doing the show with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7202">TS</a>]

02:00:03   you John is that you are just completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7203">TS</a>]

02:00:07   and utterly wrong completely wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7207">TS</a>]

02:00:09   I could concede that subway is not great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7209">TS</a>]

02:00:12   food i'm not arguing that your name or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7212">TS</a>]

02:00:14   sandwich name or Sam hold on hold on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7214">TS</a>]

02:00:15   hold on this the airport sandwiches are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7215">TS</a>]

02:00:17   unequivocally worse but the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7217">TS</a>]

02:00:20   because everyone on the internet things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7220">TS</a>]

02:00:22   you can never say anything that's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7222">TS</a>]

02:00:24   ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7224">TS</a>]

02:00:24   now we're gonna get a thousand emails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7224">TS</a>]

02:00:26   with people saying oh jon is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7226">TS</a>]

02:00:28   round in terms of trying to help your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7228">TS</a>]

02:00:30   subway really is the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7230">TS</a>]

02:00:32   ok ok let's again let's let's concede [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7232">TS</a>]

02:00:34   for the sake of discussion at subway is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7234">TS</a>]

02:00:36   the worst let's just assume even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7236">TS</a>]

02:00:38   it's not let's assume it is i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7238">TS</a>]

02:00:40   understand why you think sbarro is any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7240">TS</a>]

02:00:43   better or different and pizza dough is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7243">TS</a>]

02:00:46   the same kind of dough that shift from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7246">TS</a>]

02:00:48   some factory when West bumble screw into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7248">TS</a>]

02:00:50   their into the local sbarro that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7250">TS</a>]

02:00:53   subway dough is and I in every day at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7253">TS</a>]

02:00:56   subway they cook the dough you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7256">TS</a>]

02:00:58   they make the friggin dough at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7258">TS</a>]

02:01:00   sbarro rip the crust officer borrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7260">TS</a>]

02:01:02   thing that that crust has more bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7262">TS</a>]

02:01:05   like qualities than anybody ever to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7265">TS</a>]

02:01:06   out of subway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7266">TS</a>]

02:01:07   I don't know quite crispy reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7267">TS</a>]

02:01:10   because it cooked at high temperature it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7270">TS</a>]

02:01:12   is more chewy and gluttony it is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7272">TS</a>]

02:01:15   more like bread not particularly good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7275">TS</a>]

02:01:17   tasting bread but much more like bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7277">TS</a>]

02:01:19   then that stuff and so when I are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7279">TS</a>]

02:01:21   to opposite sbarros and subways like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7281">TS</a>]

02:01:25   again I'm not trying to say it's subways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7285">TS</a>]

02:01:27   is the definition of good food i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7287">TS</a>]

02:01:28   saying that but once i just i cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7288">TS</a>]

02:01:30   keep reconcile my head that you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7290">TS</a>]

02:01:34   that Sbarro is leaps and bounds better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7294">TS</a>]

02:01:36   than subway because they are to my eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7296">TS</a>]

02:01:38   of effectively the same quality i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7298">TS</a>]

02:01:41   both better with your leaps and bounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7301">TS</a>]

02:01:42   that's better but it's better like and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7302">TS</a>]

02:01:45   wanted it because degree of difficulty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7305">TS</a>]

02:01:46   it's got so few ingredients and none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7306">TS</a>]

02:01:48   them are weird mutant versions of legit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7308">TS</a>]

02:01:51   great pizza has so many more ingredients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7311">TS</a>]

02:01:54   you're saying it's easier to make good p [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7314">TS</a>]

02:01:56   to the good sandwich right easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7316">TS</a>]

02:01:58   make pizza with actual honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7318">TS</a>]

02:01:59   ingredients like the open holes are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7319">TS</a>]

02:02:02   serious problem like any kind of cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7322">TS</a>]

02:02:05   cuts are like it it's very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7325">TS</a>]

02:02:07   do there's a high degree of difficulty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7327">TS</a>]

02:02:09   there it's not simple like oh sauce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7329">TS</a>]

02:02:11   cheese and bread may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7331">TS</a>]

02:02:12   really hard and oven cold cuts are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7332">TS</a>]

02:02:15   process product that is complicated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7335">TS</a>]

02:02:17   make that that is a lot of variety what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7337">TS</a>]

02:02:19   the the things that are similar between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7339">TS</a>]

02:02:20   roast beef and turkey and salami like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7340">TS</a>]

02:02:23   there's a huge range of expertise that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7343">TS</a>]

02:02:24   you need to make any of those that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7344">TS</a>]

02:02:26   exactly but they're not making them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7346">TS</a>]

02:02:28   each location they're buying that night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7348">TS</a>]

02:02:30   I know but there but they're buying them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7350">TS</a>]

02:02:31   from is like the lowest bidder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7351">TS</a>]

02:02:33   they're so incredibly vile that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7353">TS</a>]

02:02:35   should not even be called salami or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7355">TS</a>]

02:02:37   their hammer the turkey is everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7357">TS</a>]

02:02:39   just terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7359">TS</a>]

02:02:40   again something like Canaries with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7360">TS</a>]

02:02:42   similar challenges their italian combo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7362">TS</a>]

02:02:44   panera is not a good italian sandwich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7364">TS</a>]

02:02:46   the coat are not good and yet still way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7366">TS</a>]

02:02:48   better than the ones that it had subway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7368">TS</a>]

02:02:51   everything you're saying about subway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7371">TS</a>]

02:02:52   how does that not apply to sbarro thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7372">TS</a>]

02:02:54   you because I guess that cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7374">TS</a>]

02:02:56   mozzarella cheese is very it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7376">TS</a>]

02:02:58   screw up it's a very simple cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7378">TS</a>]

02:03:00   doesn't need to be aged it's inexpensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7380">TS</a>]

02:03:01   and most of it tastes like morals like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7381">TS</a>]

02:03:04   mozzarella cheese it's not a complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7384">TS</a>]

02:03:06   product like salami or slicing ham or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7386">TS</a>]

02:03:08   roast beef and like this module is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7388">TS</a>]

02:03:10   straightforward so is the dough is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7390">TS</a>]

02:03:11   straightforward it's not a complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7391">TS</a>]

02:03:13   though it's not a sourdough is not some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7393">TS</a>]

02:03:15   special thing you do it's like perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7395">TS</a>]

02:03:16   one of the most straightforward those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7396">TS</a>]

02:03:17   and tomatoes also very easy tomatoes can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7397">TS</a>]

02:03:20   very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7400">TS</a>]

02:03:21   whoa whoa whoa slow down not if how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7401">TS</a>]

02:03:24   do you spend making sauce when you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7404">TS</a>]

02:03:27   your own source it's pasta sauces not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7407">TS</a>]

02:03:29   pizza sauce Casey please don't tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7409">TS</a>]

02:03:30   you're putting pizza sauce on your on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7410">TS</a>]

02:03:32   your costs or vice versa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7412">TS</a>]

02:03:33   it's the same thing with a regular it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7413">TS</a>]

02:03:35   right i mean it's really not that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7415">TS</a>]

02:03:36   it's like those are sturdy your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7416">TS</a>]

02:03:38   ingredients that are harder to screw up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7418">TS</a>]

02:03:39   that have a lower degree of difficulty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7419">TS</a>]

02:03:41   to make something that qualifies as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7421">TS</a>]

02:03:43   food obviously it's not good but it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7423">TS</a>]

02:03:45   is honest straightforward and it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7425">TS</a>]

02:03:48   food whereas cold cuts and bread are I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7428">TS</a>]

02:03:50   don't think Brad is that difficult some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7430">TS</a>]

02:03:52   simple someway somehow manages to screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7432">TS</a>]

02:03:53   it up but coconuts definitely are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7433">TS</a>]

02:03:55   difficult and I would just rather not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7435">TS</a>]

02:03:58   have cold cuts and have coconuts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7438">TS</a>]

02:03:59   band and not have bread rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7439">TS</a>]

02:04:02   bread that but i just-i can't-- [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7442">TS</a>]

02:04:03   reconcile you saying that it's harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7443">TS</a>]

02:04:05   screw up a cold-cut like a slice of ham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7445">TS</a>]

02:04:08   harder to make yes yes how can you screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7448">TS</a>]

02:04:12   up a slice of an animal easier than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7452">TS</a>]

02:04:15   can screw up a complicated multi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7455">TS</a>]

02:04:17   particles not it's not just a slice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7457">TS</a>]

02:04:18   an animal like that's the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7458">TS</a>]

02:04:20   you have to it you know they put tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7460">TS</a>]

02:04:22   preservatives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7462">TS</a>]

02:04:23   open everything on those things to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7463">TS</a>]

02:04:24   to make them be shelf-stable for longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7464">TS</a>]

02:04:26   periods of time they're generally pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7466">TS</a>]

02:04:28   perishable and you kind of did you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7468">TS</a>]

02:04:29   right have to chip the big giant hug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7469">TS</a>]

02:04:31   that you slice on demand but there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7471">TS</a>]

02:04:32   way in hell somebody's gonna do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7472">TS</a>]

02:04:34   just I can't reconcile this like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7474">TS</a>]

02:04:36   I've left behind while you have you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7476">TS</a>]

02:04:38   had go cold cuts and maybe this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7478">TS</a>]

02:04:39   problem do not know what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7479">TS</a>]

02:04:41   supposed to taste like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7481">TS</a>]

02:04:42   absolutely I i if i could if i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7482">TS</a>]

02:04:45   live off of Boar's Head white American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7485">TS</a>]

02:04:47   cheese I would and this is where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7487">TS</a>]

02:04:49   start bitching at me about how american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7489">TS</a>]

02:04:51   cheese and cheese but the handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7491">TS</a>]

02:04:52   everything white american jesus would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7492">TS</a>]

02:04:54   you go for Jesus actually one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7494">TS</a>]

02:04:56   easier ones because again cheese is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7496">TS</a>]

02:04:57   inherently has a little more shelf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7497">TS</a>]

02:05:00   stable than something I mean salami is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7500">TS</a>]

02:05:02   pretty good but like something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7502">TS</a>]

02:05:03   sliced turkey or roast beef that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7503">TS</a>]

02:05:06   that's got a pretty low shelf life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7506">TS</a>]

02:05:08   compared to cheese right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7508">TS</a>]

02:05:10   Jesus is going to be much more sturdy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7510">TS</a>]

02:05:12   a fast food type of environment coconuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7512">TS</a>]

02:05:14   are hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7514">TS</a>]

02:05:15   not much around always trying to do mass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7515">TS</a>]

02:05:17   market with with cold cuts and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7517">TS</a>]

02:05:19   forced to to make this unholy alliance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7519">TS</a>]

02:05:22   with chemicals preservatives and craft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7522">TS</a>]

02:05:24   products that it isn't it also true of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7524">TS</a>]

02:05:26   like every fast-food place that has like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7526">TS</a>]

02:05:28   burgers and stuff that's all that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7528">TS</a>]

02:05:30   all the same challenges yeah and burgers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7530">TS</a>]

02:05:31   like the burgers has had the advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7531">TS</a>]

02:05:34   that ground beef frozen ground beef [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7534">TS</a>]

02:05:37   you know reheated like there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7537">TS</a>]

02:05:38   fat that gets you buy and those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7538">TS</a>]

02:05:40   where it's just like yes it's terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7540">TS</a>]

02:05:41   to Grady meet its frozen but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7541">TS</a>]

02:05:44   lot of fat involved and there's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7544">TS</a>]

02:05:46   not that much meat in the grand scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7546">TS</a>]

02:05:47   of things slightly a bunch of stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7547">TS</a>]

02:05:49   and basically to say it's like salty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7549">TS</a>]

02:05:50   squishy fat up more difficult to hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7550">TS</a>]

02:05:53   bad salami because that's la made it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7553">TS</a>]

02:05:56   me has a very distinctive taste it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7556">TS</a>]

02:05:57   strong taste and if it's bad it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7557">TS</a>]

02:06:00   bad but you know but it's the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7560">TS</a>]

02:06:01   the same thing with burgers to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7561">TS</a>]

02:06:03   degree and that is why you can tell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7563">TS</a>]

02:06:05   difference between shake shack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7565">TS</a>]

02:06:07   burger that came to the store frozen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7567">TS</a>]

02:06:09   right like it's not that big returns but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7569">TS</a>]

02:06:11   you can tell you're so wrong John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7571">TS</a>]

02:06:13   alright so we also jared is a really bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7573">TS</a>]

02:06:16   person so you should well there is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7576">TS</a>]

02:06:17   so you basically saying that mcdonalds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7577">TS</a>]

02:06:19   is better than subway because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7579">TS</a>]

02:06:21   burgers better how the Rangers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7581">TS</a>]

02:06:23   mcalister's kind of its own thing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7583">TS</a>]

02:06:24   would eat mcdonalds before I eat subway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7584">TS</a>]

02:06:26   i would suddenly performing dollars only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7586">TS</a>]

02:06:28   for health reasons because I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7588">TS</a>]

02:06:30   McDonald's is it has fewer healthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7590">TS</a>]

02:06:32   choices whereas even subway will taste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7592">TS</a>]

02:06:34   really bad it's gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7594">TS</a>]

02:06:35   less saturated fat and hopefully less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7595">TS</a>]

02:06:37   calories depending on the mcdonalds is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7597">TS</a>]

02:06:39   also so incredibly strictly like manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7599">TS</a>]

02:06:43   and regulated and down two down to so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7603">TS</a>]

02:06:44   many sciences and also they probably do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7604">TS</a>]

02:06:47   more throughput customer wise so I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7607">TS</a>]

02:06:50   think the risk more but then sometimes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7610">TS</a>]

02:06:52   think you're pretty good system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7612">TS</a>]

02:06:53   I i find somebody to be about as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7613">TS</a>]

02:06:55   consistent as as a mcdonald I don't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7615">TS</a>]

02:06:57   to mcdonalds at all well but like from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7617">TS</a>]

02:06:59   from like a pure like you know fear of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7619">TS</a>]

02:07:01   foodborne illnesses maybe perspective i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7621">TS</a>]

02:07:04   think i think that was probably a safer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7624">TS</a>]

02:07:05   bet and things are hotter they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7625">TS</a>]

02:07:07   especially good odds I I don't I i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7627">TS</a>]

02:07:10   tell you that i have eaten subway much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7630">TS</a>]

02:07:11   more recently than I being McDonald's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7631">TS</a>]

02:07:13   but it's mostly it's not for taste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7633">TS</a>]

02:07:15   regions because someone else wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7635">TS</a>]

02:07:16   subway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7636">TS</a>]

02:07:17   someone must remain nameless and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7637">TS</a>]

02:07:20   believe it when I want burgers we go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7640">TS</a>]

02:07:23   five guys r shake shack these days or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7643">TS</a>]

02:07:25   and out in an hour in California all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7645">TS</a>]

02:07:28   donated five guys five guys eat you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7648">TS</a>]

02:07:31   I bet it's delicious a dynamic dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7651">TS</a>]

02:07:33   fat it is beautiful i know but it tastes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7653">TS</a>]

02:07:36   better than mcdonalds I have to agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7656">TS</a>]

02:07:37   with Casey I i haven't had mcdonalds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7657">TS</a>]

02:07:40   i think a few years and but i I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7660">TS</a>]

02:07:44   five guys recently and I don't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7664">TS</a>]

02:07:46   appeal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7666">TS</a>]

02:07:47   honestly I really don't get the villa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7667">TS</a>]

02:07:48   five guys like I it's it's not bad but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7668">TS</a>]

02:07:51   it's just it's just like greasy fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7671">TS</a>]

02:07:52   food burger there's nothing special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7672">TS</a>]

02:07:54   about I I don't think it's any better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7674">TS</a>]

02:07:55   than like a wendy's or an arby's oh no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7675">TS</a>]

02:07:58   it's way better than one is arbys maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7678">TS</a>]

02:07:59   I think it was it's a higher class of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7679">TS</a>]

02:08:01   food than those in those places that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7681">TS</a>]

02:08:04   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7684">TS</a>]

02:08:05   it that way I described five guys it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7685">TS</a>]

02:08:09   more like a burger that you would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7689">TS</a>]

02:08:10   yourself in your house with ingredients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7690">TS</a>]

02:08:11   that you bought yourself an expert chef [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7691">TS</a>]

02:08:14   is not gonna be a great burger but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7694">TS</a>]

02:08:16   definitely does not taste like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7696">TS</a>]

02:08:17   McDonald's Burger King or even in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7697">TS</a>]

02:08:19   out where you totally tell like that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7699">TS</a>]

02:08:20   fast-food burger five guys taste more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7700">TS</a>]

02:08:22   like a mediocre regular burger if I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7702">TS</a>]

02:08:24   a meeting I had five guys and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7704">TS</a>]

02:08:27   as long as Marcos had mcdonalds but if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7707">TS</a>]

02:08:29   25 guys i think they call it a mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7709">TS</a>]

02:08:32   bacon cheeseburger whatever the smallest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7712">TS</a>]

02:08:34   bacon cheeseburger don't don't don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7714">TS</a>]

02:08:35   bacon at five guys that's my tip don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7715">TS</a>]

02:08:37   get bacon you may think you wanted but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7717">TS</a>]

02:08:39   don't get it the taste better without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7719">TS</a>]

02:08:40   the bacon has been hiding about that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7720">TS</a>]

02:08:42   have not gotten their bacon before and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7722">TS</a>]

02:08:44   still think it's bad it will hold on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7724">TS</a>]

02:08:46   but the point I'm trying to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7726">TS</a>]

02:08:47   though is if I had a mini bacon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7727">TS</a>]

02:08:49   cheeseburger whether or not baking is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7729">TS</a>]

02:08:51   good call five guys invited many bacon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7731">TS</a>]

02:08:53   cheeseburger and some of their fries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7733">TS</a>]

02:08:55   an hour later I feel like a beach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7735">TS</a>]

02:08:57   freaking whale I can eat a equivalently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7737">TS</a>]

02:09:01   sized burger at McDonalds or wendys or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7741">TS</a>]

02:09:03   what have you and still be a functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7743">TS</a>]

02:09:06   human being an hour later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7746">TS</a>]

02:09:07   whereas five guys not so much that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7747">TS</a>]

02:09:10   a digestive issue you have I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7750">TS</a>]

02:09:12   i don't i don't typically have to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7752">TS</a>]

02:09:14   call me feel better in and out i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7754">TS</a>]

02:09:16   that it is very good i think that if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7756">TS</a>]

02:09:19   really honest it is overrated by east [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7759">TS</a>]

02:09:23   coasters because we don't get it ever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7763">TS</a>]

02:09:25   it's a very good burger but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7765">TS</a>]

02:09:27   think it's that much Bert better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7767">TS</a>]

02:09:28   any other equivalent chain i would lump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7768">TS</a>]

02:09:31   in and out as in the same family as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7771">TS</a>]

02:09:33   McDonald's Burger King but better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7773">TS</a>]

02:09:34   both of them but I would not put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7774">TS</a>]

02:09:36   something that's favorite a curry shake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7776">TS</a>]

02:09:38   shack or even five guys because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7778">TS</a>]

02:09:40   more of a fast-food style burger like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7780">TS</a>]

02:09:42   everything about the bun the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7782">TS</a>]

02:09:43   burgers repaired everything about it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7783">TS</a>]

02:09:45   a fast-food style burger and it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7785">TS</a>]

02:09:46   higher-quality fast food style burger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7786">TS</a>]

02:09:48   but it is not the non fast food style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7788">TS</a>]

02:09:52   burgers includes five guys and Shake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7792">TS</a>]

02:09:53   Shack because it's a different style i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7793">TS</a>]

02:09:54   get it you know everything about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7794">TS</a>]

02:09:56   size the proportion of me to the bond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7796">TS</a>]

02:09:58   what's the bond has made that of how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7798">TS</a>]

02:10:00   burgers repaired with the burgers ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7800">TS</a>]

02:10:01   been frozen before whole nine yards to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7801">TS</a>]

02:10:04   me I I honestly object to lumping five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7804">TS</a>]

02:10:07   guys and Shake Shack together i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7807">TS</a>]

02:10:09   five guys is way closer to the big fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7809">TS</a>]

02:10:13   food chains than it is to shake shack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7813">TS</a>]

02:10:14   it's closer to wendys because Wendy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7814">TS</a>]

02:10:17   has a style burger that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7817">TS</a>]

02:10:18   little bit different than putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7818">TS</a>]

02:10:19   thousands burger king in and out if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7819">TS</a>]

02:10:20   like so like as you going to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7820">TS</a>]

02:10:22   with you go to wendys then go to five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7822">TS</a>]

02:10:24   guys and I agree with kind of separating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7824">TS</a>]

02:10:26   it from shake shack has five as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7826">TS</a>]

02:10:27   obviously not as good as that or not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7827">TS</a>]

02:10:29   weird as different checks and like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7829">TS</a>]

02:10:31   potato bun and everything it's got all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7831">TS</a>]

02:10:32   sorts of weird stuff going on that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7832">TS</a>]

02:10:33   not involved in in the five guys burger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7833">TS</a>]

02:10:36   but five guys is definitely more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7836">TS</a>]

02:10:38   straightforward i think a lot of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7838">TS</a>]

02:10:39   colored by the fries which are all over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7839">TS</a>]

02:10:41   the freakin map among all these ones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7841">TS</a>]

02:10:42   if you had to categorize them just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7842">TS</a>]

02:10:44   the fries I don't know what you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7844">TS</a>]

02:10:45   because the fried variability I found to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7845">TS</a>]

02:10:48   be huge and in yea even individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7848">TS</a>]

02:10:51   locations aware and McDonald's every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7851">TS</a>]

02:10:54   place like I mean it just locations like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7854">TS</a>]

02:10:56   this shake shack has good fries with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7856">TS</a>]

02:10:58   that shake his bad for us has that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7858">TS</a>]

02:10:59   make sense like no consistency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7859">TS</a>]

02:11:01   I mean there's more consistency as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7861">TS</a>]

02:11:02   get to mcdonalds and burger king but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7862">TS</a>]

02:11:03   was going to say ok now and I was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7863">TS</a>]

02:11:06   not impressed with five guys fries to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7866">TS</a>]

02:11:07   honest I mean get some some people love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7867">TS</a>]

02:11:10   them some people don't know I got to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7870">TS</a>]

02:11:11   same five guys different times sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7871">TS</a>]

02:11:13   the fries are good sometimes not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7873">TS</a>]

02:11:14   same exact location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7874">TS</a>]

02:11:16   no consistency now really the if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7876">TS</a>]

02:11:18   talking about french fries it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7878">TS</a>]

02:11:19   chick-fil-a waffle fries or get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7879">TS</a>]

02:11:21   I don't say anything you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7881">TS</a>]

02:11:23   footwall thighs aside I don't think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7883">TS</a>]

02:11:24   can put them into the fryer we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7884">TS</a>]

02:11:26   talking about step that's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7886">TS</a>]

02:11:27   hashbrowns that Paul comma but yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7887">TS</a>]

02:11:30   prize is a different thing they're good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7890">TS</a>]

02:11:32   i'm not saying Walter is great but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7892">TS</a>]

02:11:34   can't break can't bring a waffle fry to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7894">TS</a>]

02:11:36   a regular fry fight that's not what its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7896">TS</a>]

02:11:39   gonna be toe you have the weirdest rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7899">TS</a>]

02:11:43   I mean like home fries are also kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7903">TS</a>]

02:11:45   potatoes yeah exactly why not been clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7905">TS</a>]

02:11:48   from verizon hashbrowns like why not put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7908">TS</a>]

02:11:50   the waffle house in their hashbrowns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7910">TS</a>]

02:11:51   oh my god it's not a hash brownie venir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7911">TS</a>]

02:11:54   a hashbrown yeah well so crazy right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7914">TS</a>]

02:11:57   I just want steak and shake tried making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7917">TS</a>]

02:11:59   a steak and shake frisco melt last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7919">TS</a>]

02:12:01   it was it i actually didn't get that far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7921">TS</a>]

02:12:04   off it the hardest part about it that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7924">TS</a>]

02:12:06   didn't achieve properly is this is at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7926">TS</a>]

02:12:08   stake and shake frisco mounts have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7928">TS</a>]

02:12:10   very thin burgers and I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7930">TS</a>]

02:12:13   you make a burger that thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7933">TS</a>]

02:12:14   hey I tried and it wasn't even close it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7934">TS</a>]

02:12:17   falls apart now I've never been to steak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7937">TS</a>]

02:12:19   and shake them either her target good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7939">TS</a>]

02:12:21   things about it i would imagine you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7941">TS</a>]

02:12:23   probably have to freeze the patties to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7943">TS</a>]

02:12:25   them to make them hold together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7945">TS</a>]

02:12:27   yeah now all thats that's the secret to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7947">TS</a>]

02:12:29   those earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7949">TS</a>]

02:12:30   once they come they come frozen ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7950">TS</a>]

02:12:32   hockey box and you put them on the grill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7952">TS</a>]

02:12:33   and they cook really fast because fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7953">TS</a>]

02:12:34   food to cook things really fast okay if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7954">TS</a>]

02:12:37   it takes you don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7957">TS</a>]

02:12:38   that's like to call it minutes take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7958">TS</a>]

02:12:40   their steak that with the holes pounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7960">TS</a>]

02:12:42   and several cook faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7962">TS</a>]

02:12:44   Wow speaking of i had white castle when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7964">TS</a>]

02:12:47   i was at bachelor party in Vegas few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7967">TS</a>]

02:12:49   weeks back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7969">TS</a>]

02:12:49   so that's the bottom of the wrong room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7969">TS</a>]

02:12:51   of hamburger speaking of it was uh it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7971">TS</a>]

02:12:54   was different but I was fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7974">TS</a>]

02:12:55   inebriated so it hit the spot at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7975">TS</a>]

02:12:58   time drunk vegas white castle know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7978">TS</a>]

02:13:02   sounds happen this sounds like a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7982">TS</a>]

02:13:04   bad idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7984">TS</a>]

02:13:05   the same way the same reason people find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7985">TS</a>]

02:13:07   themselves a taco bell so were you drunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7987">TS</a>]

02:13:09   oh yeah yeah I don't talk about talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7989">TS</a>]

02:13:11   about great i'm not kidding either i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7991">TS</a>]

02:13:13   love talking about again bottom bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7993">TS</a>]

02:13:14   rock bottom of the ladder of for Mexico [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7994">TS</a>]

02:13:18   train talk about we all agree that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/7998">TS</a>]

02:13:20   probably fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8000">TS</a>]

02:13:20   yeah i think generally speaking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8000">TS</a>]

02:13:22   later you're fast food places open the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8002">TS</a>]

02:13:25   worst from the words of food and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8005">TS</a>]

02:13:27   that's fair to but I love me some talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8007">TS</a>]

02:13:28   about actually they're up there morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8008">TS</a>]

02:13:30   crunchwrap the breakfast contract very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8010">TS</a>]

02:13:32   good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8012">TS</a>]

02:13:32   believe it or not Wow which has brown in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8012">TS</a>]

02:13:35   it as it turns out of course that is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8015">TS</a>]

02:13:37   wouldn't it is undecided i live at where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8017">TS</a>]

02:13:40   they're adding the making it ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8020">TS</a>]

02:13:42   that menu item for Taco Bell put in tote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8022">TS</a>]

02:13:45   bag that was also remember that ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8025">TS</a>]

02:13:47   nope nope you look at pic i like this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8027">TS</a>]

02:13:51   Pete Jackson on Twitter Casey has never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8031">TS</a>]

02:13:55   had a good sub couldn't be more obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8035">TS</a>]

02:13:56   that was 13 minutes ago four minutes ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8036">TS</a>]

02:14:00   ok listen to little further revised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8040">TS</a>]

02:14:01   lusus hold on revised theses Casey has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8041">TS</a>]

02:14:04   never had a good meal of any kind i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8044">TS</a>]

02:14:07   don't want to say it but some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8047">TS</a>]

02:14:10   think that right who's that who's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8050">TS</a>]

02:14:13   who's the chain food hound it's not UK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8053">TS</a>]

02:14:16   see that someone else is better is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8056">TS</a>]

02:14:17   Lex who's really into like going to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8057">TS</a>]

02:14:20   know like Applebee's and TGI fridays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8060">TS</a>]

02:14:22   i'll see it curiously enough i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8062">TS</a>]

02:14:25   particularly care for those like a leech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8065">TS</a>]

02:14:26   nobody does the terrible but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8066">TS</a>]

02:14:28   somebody in our circle like is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8068">TS</a>]

02:14:29   aficionado [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8069">TS</a>]

02:14:30   them like yeah or or it you don't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8070">TS</a>]

02:14:33   about like that again the bottom rung of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8073">TS</a>]

02:14:35   the chain chain restaurant like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8075">TS</a>]

02:14:37   mid-priced chain restaurant for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8077">TS</a>]

02:14:40   four full table service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8080">TS</a>]

02:14:42   yeah everything is really bad for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8082">TS</a>]

02:14:44   yeah and they have weird things weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8084">TS</a>]

02:14:47   meals that appeal it's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8087">TS</a>]

02:14:48   before Guy Fieri came and showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8088">TS</a>]

02:14:50   everybody the true meaning of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8090">TS</a>]

02:14:52   with his terrible restaurants that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8092">TS</a>]

02:14:54   mean obviously I there's a lot like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8094">TS</a>]

02:14:56   lot of those big chain restaurant I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8096">TS</a>]

02:14:58   ever been to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8098">TS</a>]

02:14:59   because like like it in the times in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8099">TS</a>]

02:15:01   life that I lived in places that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8101">TS</a>]

02:15:03   them I couldn't afford to go there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8103">TS</a>]

02:15:05   that one that was like with a bee or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8105">TS</a>]

02:15:06   something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8106">TS</a>]

02:15:07   bennigans Bennigan's there you go I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8107">TS</a>]

02:15:10   you should go to ponderosa sometimes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8110">TS</a>]

02:15:11   like special occasions like like growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8111">TS</a>]

02:15:13   up like I go like once a year to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8113">TS</a>]

02:15:15   ponderosa i would put into several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8115">TS</a>]

02:15:17   categories out back but i would put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8117">TS</a>]

02:15:18   separate karaoke from TGI Fridays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8118">TS</a>]

02:15:20   applebees Bennigan's as many install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8120">TS</a>]

02:15:22   around so cmf I went to college in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8122">TS</a>]

02:15:25   pennsylvania that is true with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8125">TS</a>]

02:15:26   college however in the middle of nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8126">TS</a>]

02:15:28   Pennsylvania where most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8128">TS</a>]

02:15:30   Pennsylvania's the middle of nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8130">TS</a>]

02:15:31   yeah we're basically it didn't I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8131">TS</a>]

02:15:34   college in meadville Pennsylvania where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8134">TS</a>]

02:15:37   the only restaurant in town there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8137">TS</a>]

02:15:40   ponderosa I think we never went there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8140">TS</a>]

02:15:43   the only restaurant anybody ever go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8143">TS</a>]

02:15:44   was just a perkins and so I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8144">TS</a>]

02:15:47   perkins a lot before that in ohio into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8147">TS</a>]

02:15:49   denny's a lot which is basically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8149">TS</a>]

02:15:50   same restaurant all down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8150">TS</a>]

02:15:52   awesome at it's something it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8152">TS</a>]

02:15:55   than waffle house so days is what then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8155">TS</a>]

02:15:57   is awesome place so good I i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8157">TS</a>]

02:16:00   disagree strongly on that I'm but best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8160">TS</a>]

02:16:04   pancakes in the world i hop time I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8164">TS</a>]

02:16:08   that was in case it's not clear that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8168">TS</a>]

02:16:11   an attempt to ridicule Casey's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8171">TS</a>]

02:16:14   low-level taste i love and shot ologist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8174">TS</a>]

02:16:18   in the chat saying Danny's is a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8178">TS</a>]

02:16:20   you wind up what is perfect that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8180">TS</a>]

02:16:23   welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8183">TS</a>]

02:16:24   well I get it open very late like ihop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8184">TS</a>]

02:16:26   open also but then again that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8186">TS</a>]

02:16:28   went to perkins in colleges within 24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8188">TS</a>]

02:16:30   hours that so that interesting story of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8190">TS</a>]

02:16:32   TIFF and I our first date was we drove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8192">TS</a>]

02:16:35   40 minutes to erie pennsylvania the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8195">TS</a>]

02:16:38   nearest big town we drove 40 minutes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8198">TS</a>]

02:16:41   get there to go to the olive garden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8201">TS</a>]

02:16:43   oh hell yeah huh it's amazing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8203">TS</a>]

02:16:46   amazing this relationship lasted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8206">TS</a>]

02:16:48   was our nice restaurant for our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8208">TS</a>]

02:16:50   date again i would say but bottom of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8210">TS</a>]

02:16:53   bottom of the of the ladder for italian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8213">TS</a>]

02:16:56   restaurants we all degrees name a worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8216">TS</a>]

02:16:58   Italian food restaurants in the garden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8218">TS</a>]

02:17:00   it's impossible Sbarro's obviously no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8220">TS</a>]

02:17:02   tomorrow's had a better time for me all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8222">TS</a>]

02:17:05   garden hands down no no true that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8225">TS</a>]

02:17:08   true not all through the olive garden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8228">TS</a>]

02:17:10   breadsticks are the only other bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8230">TS</a>]

02:17:12   item that i can think of it as similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8232">TS</a>]

02:17:13   to the subject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8233">TS</a>]

02:17:14   basically it's basically a hot dog bun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8234">TS</a>]

02:17:17   with me sprayed on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8237">TS</a>]

02:17:19   yes and it's wonderful that's not bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8239">TS</a>]

02:17:22   that is not as a brace wreck it is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8242">TS</a>]

02:17:26   they it as as I once said on my blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8246">TS</a>]

02:17:28   garden is the gold standard for bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8248">TS</a>]

02:17:31   Italian food like they intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8251">TS</a>]

02:17:33   over cook the pasta so they can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8253">TS</a>]

02:17:35   governed by the senior citizens through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8255">TS</a>]

02:17:36   there and so they will want my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8256">TS</a>]

02:17:38   sensibilities of Middle America this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8258">TS</a>]

02:17:39   not like a made-up thing this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8259">TS</a>]

02:17:41   they do as corporate policy it is don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8261">TS</a>]

02:17:44   know just no please please all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8264">TS</a>]

02:17:47   garden Isles I don't understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8267">TS</a>]

02:17:49   people like you so I really love of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8269">TS</a>]

02:17:51   the fast food places that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8271">TS</a>]

02:17:53   mentioned so far I think I'd rather eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8273">TS</a>]

02:17:55   at olive garden than almost any of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8275">TS</a>]

02:17:57   omn Oh Margo was what's happening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8277">TS</a>]

02:18:00   your in New York have some real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8280">TS</a>]

02:18:02   food please stop going down if that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8282">TS</a>]

02:18:04   option sure but like if my alternatives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8284">TS</a>]

02:18:07   are like subway in sbarro like I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8287">TS</a>]

02:18:09   to olive garden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8289">TS</a>]

02:18:10   amen brother no just weird i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8290">TS</a>]

02:18:12   choose a bar overall gotten any day not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8292">TS</a>]

02:18:14   because i was so powerful because i hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8294">TS</a>]

02:18:16   all guards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8296">TS</a>]

02:18:17   yes uh-huh that's because its coordinate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8297">TS</a>]

02:18:20   all garden particularly when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8300">TS</a>]

02:18:21   telling I don't see all I didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8301">TS</a>]

02:18:23   about I didn't all gonna existed until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8303">TS</a>]

02:18:25   like much later in life long after long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8305">TS</a>]

02:18:27   island because I wasn't around to either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8307">TS</a>]

02:18:28   there wasn't all garden there I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8308">TS</a>]

02:18:30   know they existed certainly never went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8310">TS</a>]

02:18:32   to one right when i went to like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8312">TS</a>]

02:18:34   like only like all garden it's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8314">TS</a>]

02:18:36   chain restaurant I expected it to be not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8316">TS</a>]

02:18:39   good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8319">TS</a>]

02:18:40   probably bad but I was not prepared for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8320">TS</a>]

02:18:42   exactly how bad was knighted internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8322">TS</a>]

02:18:44   research is why how can this be so bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8324">TS</a>]

02:18:46   how can ordinary sir they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8326">TS</a>]

02:18:48   intentionally making food to appeal to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8328">TS</a>]

02:18:51   the taste of people who don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8331">TS</a>]

02:18:52   Italian food that's basically what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8332">TS</a>]

02:18:53   boils down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8333">TS</a>]

02:18:54   oh ok well you clearly have never been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8334">TS</a>]

02:18:56   to fazolis which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8336">TS</a>]

02:18:57   I'm not have never end up as always I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8337">TS</a>]

02:18:59   don't even know what that is it's fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8339">TS</a>]

02:19:00   fast food italian there's there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8340">TS</a>]

02:19:02   place that's like a italian racial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8342">TS</a>]

02:19:05   stereotype since it's like assaulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8345">TS</a>]

02:19:07   insulting to Italians it's the bookid a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8347">TS</a>]

02:19:10   buca di beppo thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8350">TS</a>]

02:19:11   yep yes that that is more insulting than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8351">TS</a>]

02:19:14   I'll go yeah that is that is pretty bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8354">TS</a>]

02:19:16   i will give you that well as a time when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8356">TS</a>]

02:19:17   another restaurant I feel insulted my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8357">TS</a>]

02:19:19   heritage feels insulted you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8359">TS</a>]

02:19:21   yeah yeah but it is a disaster but yea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8361">TS</a>]

02:19:24   to go back a step I met Aaron at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8364">TS</a>]

02:19:26   applebees and you could argue our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8366">TS</a>]

02:19:29   state which we didn't think was a date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8369">TS</a>]

02:19:31   at the time but in retrospect was our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8371">TS</a>]

02:19:32   first date was at night op and here we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8372">TS</a>]

02:19:35   are almost double dead a decade after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8375">TS</a>]

02:19:37   that first state in almost a decade in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8377">TS</a>]

02:19:39   America and Marcus are around garden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8379">TS</a>]

02:19:41   pepsi that's what you need in each food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8381">TS</a>]

02:19:43   that's how you build a good relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8383">TS</a>]

02:19:45   that's the cornerstone really Subway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8385">TS</a>]

02:19:49   Fresh is what we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSoEZTU/8389">TS</a>]