112: Make a Little Friendship
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From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 112.
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Today's show is brought to you by Pearl Reavision.
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My name is Myke Hurley, and I have the pleasure, as always, of being joined
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from across the pond by Mr. Stephen Hackett.
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Hello. And from a smaller pond and in a bunch of land mass, Federico Vittucci.
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Hello, guys. Hi, Myke. How are you?
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Hi Federico, how are you?
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I'm great, I'm great, yeah.
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Good stuff, Steven Hackett.
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Yes, as keeper of said follow up,
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would you be able to boot us right into the show?
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Yeah, let's do it.
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So we spoke some, in context of the
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Pixel phone announcements last week
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talking about Google Photos,
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and how Pixel customers will get unlimited
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Google Photos storage for their full res images,
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which is pretty cool, you have to pay for that normally,
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from Google.
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We were speaking about that and then we kind of brought up iCloud storage a little bit.
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So I went off and I put together a blog post talking about everything that you can do with
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iCloud storage and the list is like getting on up there as far as the number of items.
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You can do your photo library, you can sync files, you can sync your desktop and documents
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if you're a risk taker.
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Device backups and then of course all your personal data, right?
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email calendars, reminders, Safari, keychain entries, etc. Tons of stuff you can put into
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iCloud Drive and iCloud storage. And so it's really at this point, and this is not like
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a new thought, this is not original, but at this point it's really hurting the experience
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of being an iOS user when you run into the limit of that 5GB free plan. And Apple has
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has never shared what percentage of iCloud customers
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run out of space or how many end up upgrading.
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I know just space like in real life.
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I know lots of people who at the free five gigs,
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usually after they replace an iPhone
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and it doesn't clear from their backup
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and they just live without iCloud space,
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which is like detrimental to the experience
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that Apple wants you to have.
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So there's some fundamental problems
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increasing the free space everybody gets. And the big one is just how data
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works, how many hard drives, how much storage Apple can serve. Apple's data center
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program, which is really impressive and doesn't get a lot of news coverage,
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they've got data centers in North Carolina, they've got one on the West Coast,
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they're building one I think in Europe somewhere, they're all powered by solar and wind.
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It's a great program, but Apple can't give unlimited amounts of space
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away because the physicalities of storing that data just get out of hand.
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And so I don't know what Apple should do here but I think they should do
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something and maybe they start small and go from five to ten gigs but even that
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is a potentially monumental undertaking to offer that but I think
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it's different than comparing it to Google Photos where it's a really nice
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add-on but you don't have to have it. I think iCloud is becoming so important to
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Apple's ecosystem that they're really kind of shooting themselves in the foot with it
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at this point.
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So my thinking about this right now, like this is a bit of a meme right at the moment
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to talk about this. We've moved away as you rightly put in your blog post from talking
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about the 16 gigabyte phone to talking about the 5 gigabytes of storage right. We've just
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moved that frustration and conversation over to this new thing about gigabytes. Part of
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problem that Apple are facing right now is that if you try to use the services
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the way that they want you to, everything that you're doing is adding to the
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iCloud storage that you have because they put it in one bucket, right? So if
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you turn on iCloud photo library like they want you to, then all your photos
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are syncing. If you upgrade to Sierra and do everything they want then all your
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documents are syncing. So by doing the things that Apple is asking you to do on
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your devices, you're gonna reach that 5 gigabytes super fast, right? So like
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they're asking you to do more to run their devices with the right experience
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that they're looking for but then what it's doing is pushing you immediately
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past that 5 gigabytes like if you're turning on iCloud photo library on an
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iPhone and an iPad and then turning on the desktop syncing on one Mac that you
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have for example right so then you can access it on iOS how many people are
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going to hit that 5 gigabytes basically immediately so my thinking would be that
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that if I was in charge at Apple, what I would do is I wouldn't be making it for the size
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of the device or whatever. I would pick an amount, maybe 5GB, and you get 5GB of free
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storage for every device you own. So if you have two iPhones and a Mac, you get 15GB of
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iCloud storage. That's how I would do it. And so then you just lock it in every time.
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Maybe you increase it to 10GB, but I would give people more for every device that they
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they have. Here's an argument that I've seen from quite a few people over
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the past couple of weeks and it really gets to me. Basically a lot of people are
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saying that because Apple makes money from services then it's not in their
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interest to double iCloud storage like the base tier or to make it cheaper
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because they're making so much money from services now it's really stupid to
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think that Apple would change that.
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And I really don't get this argument,
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because we all know that Apple is making money from services.
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We're not arguing that Apple is not the kind of company
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that wants to make money from services
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in a different way than Google.
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We know that.
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We know the numbers, we know the money,
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we look at the reports.
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What I'm saying is, does it feel right
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that Apple is still offering just five gigabytes?
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It's not about, hey, but look,
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they're making this kind of money.
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Does it feel right to have that kind of basic default
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iCloud experience, or do we expect better and more
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It's not about the money because we can count.
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We know the kind of profit that they're making from services.
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And we know that Apple is different from Google.
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But to look at the numbers and say, yeah,
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they're never gonna do that,
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it betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of Apple, I think.
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I wanna, at least I wanna hope that Apple is the kind
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of company that does what's right.
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And in my mind, five gigabytes is not right.
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it doesn't feel right to the consumer,
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it doesn't feel right to the user
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because it's an inferior experience.
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So it doesn't matter the kind of money they're making
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because people are upgrading.
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I think that to limit iCloud in that sense
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is a worse experience for the customer.
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And I think Apple is the kind of company
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that wants to make things right
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because you could make the same argument
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about the 16 gigabyte iPhone.
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Apple was making more money
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because people were buying different models,
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but was it right to have a base version limited to 16 gigabytes?
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It doesn't feel right.
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And so Apple moved past that.
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And I would like to see Apple moving past the 5 gigabytes.
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I don't know how, but to say that they're making money
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so they're never going to do that,
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I think that's really not the right argument to follow.
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- I agree completely.
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Like, I think at this point, Apple,
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if they're making money on services is great, right?
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Like that's a great thing,
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but we know they make so much money on the hardware
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and they can use some of that hardware money
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to underwrite the money
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that they would be paying for in storage.
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I think that that is a perfectly fine thing
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to do as a company.
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And then also, they continue to make money from people
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in their other ways.
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It's not just iCloud, it's Apple Music, the App Store.
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People continue, they continue to make money from people.
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Like the 50 gigabytes here is 99 cents a month.
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come on, guys, you can at least put it to 50 gigs, right?
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Like, if it costs, if you wanna charge 99 cents a month
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for that, you can afford to give people that.
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I don't know.
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- Yeah, it's time for them to do something, so.
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Speaking of the Pixel phone, I've been,
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I've not ordered one, I've not joined Myke in that endeavor,
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but I have been keeping an eye on the order pages,
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And the XL, so the larger phone, has been bouncing back and forth between sold out and
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then only being available, I think, in white.
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That doesn't really say anything about the number of sales, right?
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Like if they only made 100 phones and they only sold 100, then they'd be sold out.
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But they are offering a waiting list.
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I think it's interesting that they're not just moving the ship dates like back and back
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and back like Apple does with the iPhone.
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I don't know if they're being conservative in what they're manufacturing to say, "Hey,
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We would need to make sure that we have the demand to produce another X number of thousands
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But I find it interesting that the big one is the one that seems to be doing a little
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But yeah, so if you want a black or a blue one in the Excel, you just can't do it right
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Yeah, I don't know what's going on there, but it looks like at least that they're doing
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a good job, right?
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Like in theory, it means they're at least selling as many as they thought they would,
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or at least that they're executing on their plan the way that they want, you know?
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Yeah, I mean, who knows if we'll ever get sales numbers for these things.
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I don't know if it'll be something that they need to include in their quarterly reports
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You know, Apple does announce numbers to a degree, so my guess is Google won't, but it
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would be interesting to know how it does, especially, you know, in the light of all
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the Samsung stuff that people may be looking for alternatives now.
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Yeah, could be.
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Well, I think the Nexus has always been popular enough anyway, right? They've always done
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a decent job, but this one is maybe a little bit more enticing than usual.
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So Brandon wrote in with a screenshot, which I assume has come from some Google Home product
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page somewhere. I don't have a link, but I'm going to assume that Brandon hasn't made this
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on his own. Which it seems to indicate that the Google Home will do what I want with timers,
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in which you can name timers.
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So it has like three options.
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Set a timer for 15 minutes, set a 13 minute timer for pizza,
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and how much time is left on my pizza timer.
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There are like some commands that you can give to Google Home.
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This makes me both excited and upset,
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because now this is exactly what I'm looking for.
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But this isn't like-- I want to see a lot more out
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of the product record.
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I'm not going to go and buy a Google Home because I
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can name timers.
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But it is a thing that I really--
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You know, it's a little too far, I think,
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just for that one feature.
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So I'm gonna keep my eye on the Google Home,
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if and when it ever arrives in the UK.
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I wanna see what it's capable of.
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So Steven, yours is on order, right?
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It's like, is it December it comes?
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- No, no, it's like the end of this month.
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- Oh, great, so we'll look forward to that.
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You can name all of your timers.
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- Yeah, so I've got the Echo,
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it's gonna stay in the kitchen.
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The plan is to put the Google Home out here in the office
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and put 'em head to head through some stuff.
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So I'm excited to see how it performs.
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- You should try and get them to talk to each other.
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- That'd be great.
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Make a little friendship.
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So we do have an update on the Relay FM sticker pack
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that we talked about a couple weeks ago.
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It has entered beta with a bunch of our hosts.
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It's going really well.
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So I'm hoping that we are just around the corner
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from shipping it.
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You know, it's funny.
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I was definitely at the camp that I thought stickers
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were gonna be a fad, and maybe they still will be.
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But so far, it seems that the usage has been pretty steady
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amongst my friends, and not just the two of you.
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Real people are using them.
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And so I think that maybe they are here to stay
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a little bit more than I initially thought.
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But you will soon be able to send little pictures
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of Federico and the Viticci Silo quality
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through the Relay app.
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- So go download the Relay FM app.
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I'll put a link in the show notes
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in case you don't already have it,
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and there will be an update coming.
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very very soon about this so you'll be able to go and get it for yourself.
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Alright let's take a break and thank our sponsor for this week's episode. It's a new
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sponsor for the show and that is Pearl.
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And today I want to talk about the Pearl rear vision
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backup camera. Pearl is a company that believes
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that the latest in automotive technology should be available
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to everyone regardless of whether it's time for you to buy a new car
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regardless of whether you had a car for multiple years. This is why they created the
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rear vision.
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Pearl's founders all met at Apple, they worked on the iPod, they worked on the iPhone
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and then they came together after their time there to put their focus on automotive technology.
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This is what they were really kind of passionate about and interested about.
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The rear vision is an advanced backup camera and alert system that you can install on any
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car in just minutes.
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It's all wireless and solar powered which is amazing and it's a camera frame.
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So you have this camera frame that has these dual HD cameras, they work in both day and
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night and you just install them on your license plate. Super, super easy to do and it has
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fantastic wide angle views. You never need to worry about batteries because it has that
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solar power, which is I think that's just a really smart thing that there's no way you
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have to plug it in. You don't have to take it off and plug it into charge by USB like
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it just is solar powered. So it's always good. It's always ready to go. It's theft resistant
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installs securely around your license plate, and you connect wirelessly to an adapter that
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that you plug into your car's ODB port.
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And then that's what sends the connections to
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and then to the app.
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It's super, super simple.
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So, Steven, what was it like to install
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and kind of how have you felt using the Rivadon?
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- It's super easy to install.
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So it comes in this really nice box
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of very simple instructions.
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You take your license plate off,
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you put this frame up around it.
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If you change the license plate, you know,
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at least here in the States, just a couple of,
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you know, usually big Phillips head screws.
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Super easy to install.
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It just really goes together really nicely.
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The fit and finish, like the polish on the hardware
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is like unbelievably nice.
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And it's great.
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So we put it on our family minivan,
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which does not have a backup camera.
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And it's always bothered me.
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We've got kids in the neighborhood and dogs
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and we have to cross the sidewalk to get to the street.
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And knowing that we now have like another view
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to make sure that nothing bad is gonna happen
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is really nice.
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And you would never know that it was like
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a backup camera frame, like it just looks like a nice,
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you know, frame you put around your license plate.
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But having that peace of mind that we can
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quickly open the iPhone and double check
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that nothing's behind us with that nice,
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really clear, wide angle picture,
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it just is a nice peace of mind.
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And we're doing it without the expense of like
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bolting the super nerdy thing to the back of the car.
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Like you would never know that all this technology
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was packed into it.
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The Pearl rear vision utilises advanced image processing.
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The adapter processes the video and streams it to the Pearl app on your iPhone.
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It can also use the camera frame to detect obstacles in your path and provides audio
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and visual alerts straight to the app.
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When you've got the app open you can pan around so you can take a look at what's around you,
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see all obstacles and even peek around corners.
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They also get a mount for your phone so you can mount your phone so you can take a look
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at it right so you get a little mount that you can install into the car so you can put
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your phone up so you don't need to be holding your phone when you're doing this as well
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which is just additional safety which I think is really cool.
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To find out more about the Pearl rear vision camera just go to pearlauto.com/connected
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that's p-e-a-r-l-a-u-t-o dot com slash connected.
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Listeners of this show get free two day shipping and this will be applied automatically when
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you go and check out by visiting pearlauto.com/connected.
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Thank you so much to Pearl and their rear vision camera for supporting this show and
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Alright so I was very happy to see some little reviews come out from my co-hosts over the
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last few days.
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Federico you have spoken about your experiences using the iPhone 7 which you got on loan from
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Apple. I think we spoke about it a little bit last week. But you kind of went down a
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different route than maybe some other reviews would go, especially because you've had, you
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know, it's like a few weeks since the product's been out. So kind of what led to your thinking
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and what things did you want to focus on?
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So Apple gave me this review unit a week after the iPhone 7 actually came out. And they didn't
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have an iPhone 7 Plus, so I was a little surprised. But, you know, we have a supply problem in
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Italy and I guess in the rest of Europe as well. So I was okay with testing the iPhone 7.
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I was a little skeptical, but then I realized I'm gonna need a couple of weeks, you know, to
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test this phone to see how it works for me.
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And especially to understand this change from a big phone to a small phone.
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And so I thought by the time I'm gonna get ready to publish an article
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it's gonna be almost a month since the iPhone 7 came out. And so how can I
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put together a story because I want to share my thoughts without falling into the obvious, you know, without repeating
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what other people said. And I know that it's not necessarily a problem, right?
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That, you know,
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struggling to be original can sometimes be a detriment to my process, you know.
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I gotta be different from anybody else at all costs, and that's a problem.
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But this time, as I was using the iPhone, and as I, you know, I bought some accessories that
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were not included with the iPhone, such as the Beats Solo 3 and the smart battery case for the iPhone 7.
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I realized I'm trying these things and in the reviews that I read last month,
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these aspects of the experience were not as deeply
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focused on these features. Those reviews didn't mention these aspects and I feel like from my personal experience
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these are things, you know, wireless audio, white color, the battery case,
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using the Beats Solo 3, the W1 chip, I feel like these are key aspects of the
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iPhone 7 experience that are available today and they're gonna be a big deal in
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the future. So I try to develop this angle of I feel like there's some
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features, you know, beyond the design, the headphone jack, the cameras, of course the
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7 Plus I couldn't try, but beyond the obvious aspects that people
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mentioning the original reviews. And this is not a slide to those reviews because there's
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utility in the embargo review. I did that in the past with the iPhone Pro, for example.
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I know that there's value in providing a basic overview of what's new. But weeks later, when
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the dust settles, are there aspects that I want to focus on? And so this idea of the
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iPhone 7 feels like a phone from the future kind of started to gain traction in my mind,
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And I tried to go from there.
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And I think I did a good job, at least I hope people liked it.
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And it was successful, not as big as the iOS 10 review, of course, because that's like
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But I'm happy with the output and I feel like a lot of people didn't consider those aspects.
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And I got a few emails and a bunch of tweets from people saying, "I want to buy the Beats
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headphones because I want to try the W1 chip."
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And of course, everybody's starting to get excited for the AirPods, which are also going
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have the W1 chip. So I think, you know, most of the time I try not to fall into the trap
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of "I gotta be different and I gotta be original otherwise people won't care about me", but
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this time I think that approach paid off.
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I think the thing that's interesting about the tech that you took was you were kind of
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talking about aspects of the phone that, you know, they aren't necessarily the sexiest,
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they're not like the newest things, but they're the things that people will use every day.
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Especially now, we all need to start considering
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a little bit more than we used to wireless headphones.
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I think many, many people use them, but not everybody.
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But now we're kind of being nudged
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towards wireless headphones as more of a thing.
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And now there's some new technology
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which seems to be making them better.
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So focusing on that is a really good thing.
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Because as well, all of the reviews that came out,
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the Solo 3 I don't think were out yet,
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and people had the AirPods
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but couldn't talk about them so much.
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So you've been able to focus on that in a different way,
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but also something like the battery case.
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Now, you know, the battery case you spoke about at the time,
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we've made fun of it a bunch because it is ugly as sin,
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because it's weird looking, but I've seen one,
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I've held on the same way as you have,
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and I know people that have them
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and think that they're really cool.
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It's like, great, go for it.
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Like, if it works for you.
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So I think it's really interesting,
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like to look at a review in this sense of like,
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this is the review of someone
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who's been using it for a bit,
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but also that focuses on some things
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that you can now look at doing with your phone
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that you're gonna be dealing with on a daily basis.
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There was one thing though, like if you're reading
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through this, like there are, in your review,
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there are three products that require charging.
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And there's also a screenshot where you've got
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like the batteries widget and it has your iPhone,
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your case and your watch.
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And I guess if your headphones were connected as well,
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it would have that too.
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I think you actually tweeted like a picture of this recently
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of like all of your battery things connected.
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- And again, it's like, you know,
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this is just where we are right now.
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We're in a kind of a battery transition, I hope,
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like that there's better battery technology,
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hopefully on our future.
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But it's just a thing right now where it just frustrates me,
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like that I have to think about so many things
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that need charging.
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It's just like, I hate our battery present, you know,
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it just really frustrates me.
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Yeah, and ideally, I feel like there's a two-step process here.
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Ideally, every device that connects to the iPhone will eventually move to the low power
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consumption of something like the W1 chip, right?
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Because if something lasts 40 hours, you don't have to charge as frequently, but you still
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have to charge.
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Yeah, and infrequent charging can be...
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It's probably worse than frequent charging.
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Because you forget about it.
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This was the problem I always have with my Pebble.
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once every week or so because it had like a seven-day battery life so I never
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thought about charging it so it would just die on me in the middle of the day.
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My Apple Watch has never done that because I put it on its charging stand
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every night. Right? So the second step would be we just gotta get rid of the
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habit of manual charging with the cable and there has to be in the future I
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don't know 10 years 15 years from now maybe five years maybe next year I have
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no idea but there has to be something that you just put something on your desk
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and there's like a wireless charging...
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- Well this stuff exists, right?
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Like there are a bunch of phones that use this.
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Like IKEA sell this range of desks
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that have these charging pads in them.
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Like I want one of those.
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- Even beyond charging pads,
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because you still gotta remember to put it on the pad,
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that's better than having a cable,
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but ideally in the future there'll be like a power lamp
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in your bedroom and it goes off
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to charge everything wirelessly all the time.
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I don't know if that's gonna give you cancer, probably.
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Maybe not, hopefully.
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They're figured out. - Very, very likely.
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- But you know, it's like stuff from the Jetsons, right?
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You have a charging lamp that propagates power
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across the room.
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That's the idealistic future.
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Well, Cyr, you know, I think personally,
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decades away from that.
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But maybe, you know, moving away from cables,
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having these low-power chips, I think that will help.
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And especially now, it's a weird transition phase
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because you have the iPhone with the lightning cable
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and then you have the Beats with the micro USB.
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So you gotta remember to put in different adapters,
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different cables, and it's difficult.
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It can be basically battery management.
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That's what you're doing.
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You're managing your batteries.
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And so Apple wants to make it easier with widgets
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and with the reminders, with low power mode,
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with the battery case, but you still gotta remember
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to pack a bunch of cables and a bunch of adapters
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if you wanna go travel and make sure
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that you don't run out of juice.
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And that's one of my things as being a relatively frequent traveler is my travel bag is getting
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heavier and heavier as I'm adding more and more cables to it, more and more adapters.
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Then I have to get some device that has five USB chargers on it because there is no hotel
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room in the world that will give me enough outlets.
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It just continues to add up and add up over time.
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And I understand the benefits of this stuff.
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I haven't got any Bluetooth headphones that I really like to use yet.
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I'm hoping that AirPods will be that thing for me.
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Otherwise I'm probably going to get some of these Beats ones that you've used here, especially
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for plane travel and stuff.
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But it's just so many batteries.
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Yeah, I know.
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I'm really excited for the AirPods.
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I generally believe it's the piece of hardware that I'm most excited about this year besides
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PlayStation VR.
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that will be the AirPods. If only because there's so many different parts of my life where I'm just
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walking around and I want to have headphones, but not you know the beats type of headphones all the
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time. Especially when I'm lying in bed at night, the AirPods just seem perfect so I can listen to
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music, I can listen to podcasts without you know having these big headphones on my head.
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If they work for me, if they're comfortable, if they don't fall off, I think that that'll be the
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the sweet spot for me, but maybe not.
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So I guess we'll find out in just a few weeks,
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because late October is approaching quickly.
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So we're halfway through, basically.
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- And Steven, you spent some time
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with your non-hissing, non-fizzing 7+, right?
00:26:06
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- I did, so my review's a little more traditional
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than Federico's, kind of looking at.
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You know all the high points you would look at
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in a new phone?
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- Reading Federico's, where we really overlap
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is the idea that for some reason, this iPhone,
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finally, I think for both of us, crosses the line
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into true pocket computer type territory.
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That maybe it's the additional RAM and the plus,
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or maybe it's that the camera's so good,
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or maybe the speed is so much better.
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Something about this generation really feels like
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this is not just a phone anymore,
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but it is a computer that's with me all the time.
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And it's not because I've drastically changed
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how I work on my phone.
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It's not because it's the first big phone I've had.
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I've had both the 6 and the 6S Plus
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because Myke was right.
00:27:00
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- Yeah, what's up?
00:27:01
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- But something about this year really,
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this phone feels different and it feels like the power
00:27:07
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or the smoothness, something about it
00:27:09
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has just crossed that threshold in my mind
00:27:12
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that it's more than an iPhone.
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Yeah, I've been using mine a lot more than I've been using an iPhone in the past at home.
00:27:19
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And again, I don't know why that I'm doing that.
00:27:22
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I don't know if it's the newness factor, but I've been using my iPads less at home and
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using my iPhone more for things, you know, like just reading and browsing.
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And I don't know what it is.
00:27:31
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I think part of it is I'm currently engrossed in PewDiePie's Tuba Simulator, and that's
00:27:36
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only on my iPhone.
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So I keep carrying the iPhone around so I can go in and publish all my videos.
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It's hilarious.
00:27:42
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it's a great game by the way, I actually really recommend it. It's probably the best free
00:27:46
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to play mechanic game that I've ever played. So anyway, that might be why I'm carrying
00:27:50
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my iPhone around more than normal, but it is a really really great device.
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One thing for me that I think has led to that is the speakers being better, where if I was
00:28:01
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listening to a podcast around the house, I would drag my iPad Pro behind me, and the
00:28:06
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phone is so much louder. It's not as good as an iPad speaker, it's not even close, but
00:28:12
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but it is so much better than the old iPhone,
00:28:14
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it's good enough.
00:28:16
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- And I don't know, maybe that's really what,
00:28:19
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one of the big reasons is for me,
00:28:21
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but you know, the iPhone's been around for nine years.
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The iPhone 7, just like every other iPhone before it,
00:28:30
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is the best one ever, right?
00:28:31
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Like, it's amazing that in nine years,
00:28:36
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they really haven't had a device
00:28:37
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that wasn't a worthwhile upgrade,
00:28:40
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especially if you do every two years,
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but even every year there's always something for people.
00:28:46
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And I think that's super impressive.
00:28:48
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And the iPhone 7, and especially the 7 Plus in my opinion,
00:28:52
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fall right into that category of like,
00:28:54
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you know the 6S was a really good phone,
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but the 7 takes everything about it and makes it better.
00:28:59
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- In most ways.
00:29:00
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- Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's always a few trade-offs,
00:29:03
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right, like the headphone jack is I think a bigger deal
00:29:05
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than maybe Federico thinks, but it's,
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If you can deal with it, then it's a worthwhile upgrade, no doubt.
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I maintain my position that it's the weirdest iPhone.
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I just think it's so weird.
00:29:23
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I really love it, but there's just things that they've done with it that are weird to
00:29:28
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And they continue to be weird, right?
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The home button is weird.
00:29:32
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Plugging my headphones into the Lightning port is weird.
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It feels super strange.
00:29:37
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And they're a little buggy as well.
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Like every now and then, I'll move my phone in a certain way and the audio cuts out and
00:29:43
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it's like, "Mm, lightning port, what are you doing?"
00:29:46
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I haven't had that.
00:29:47
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I just think it's because the connection maybe isn't as strong or deep, I don't know, as
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the headphone port.
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Maybe it's like disconnecting every little while.
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Or you may just have a funny set of ear pods.
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There is also that possibility.
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Where I really was struck with that when I was out of town a couple weeks ago to release
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notes I inadvertently left my 3.5 millimeter earpods at home so the only
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ear ear pods I had with me were my lightning pair and I had a had a big set
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of headphones in my suitcase because I was doing some podcasting there but like
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on the plane all I had were my lightning ear pods and I wanted to watch some TV
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on my iPad and I was like oh no what am I gonna do and then I remembered I can
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just plug them into the lightning port on my iPad and it worked totally fine
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fine but that was really a strange feeling.
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Yeah it's weird.
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This doesn't go together.
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Every time I plug my headphones into my phone it's like this isn't the right connector.
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It's a very strange, like every time I'm like this is weird and then I do it and then it's
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Everything's fine.
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But yeah I mean I don't know.
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I know that I'm maybe just being a little bit like stuck in the mud about Bluetooth
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just because I've never really had a great Bluetooth experience but it's probably because
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I haven't owned good enough Bluetooth headphones.
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You know, like the Bluetooth headphones that I own,
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these Sennheiser ones, they sound so bad.
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Like the connection's just terrible.
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I'm hoping that, you know, and I know that Federico,
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you've really enjoyed the Beats Solo, guys.
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So I'm looking forward to trying out a better experience
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with AirPods and then moving on from there
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and probably replacing my travel headphones
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with some Bluetooth headphones as well.
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I might get the Beats ones because they've got
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that really, really long battery life, right?
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Like I just don't wanna have to think about it.
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Like a 10 hour battery life on a pair of headphones
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is not enough for me, right?
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Because I go on flights frequently that are longer than that
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and I don't wanna have to deal with that.
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So a 40 hour battery life, if they can really achieve that,
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and I know that you had great success with that Federico,
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Like that's the type of product that I want to see, you know.
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So I'm hoping that Apple really is making it easier
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with this W1 chip.
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And I am very interested to see where this continues to go.
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I know that Federico, you had like some feelings about,
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you know, your belief that Apple will work
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with other people maybe, and that we'll see more like
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maybe some Bose headphones or whatever
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with these things in them.
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I am less optimistic than this,
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but I really hope that they do do that.
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so there is more choice within the iPhone line
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rather than just Beats or just AirPods.
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- Yeah, mine is an uninformed guess,
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but it just feels like it's in Apple's best interest
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to make sure that the W1 chip
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stays exclusive to Apple devices, of course,
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stays exclusive to the iPhone, to the iPad and the Mac,
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uses iCloud accounts for syncing, the pairing information,
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but it feels like Apple cannot make all of the headphones
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in the world that people like, that people love.
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They cannot make Bose headphones, they cannot make B&O headphones.
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So it feels like it's the type of opportunity, slightly different than HomeKit, which is
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basically open to everyone.
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Kind of modeled after the MI5 program, where Apple works with selected companies, you know,
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high-end audio makers, basically, to make headphones that take advantage of the W1 chip,
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but that also are not AirPods and are not Beats headphones.
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And I feel like if they're not gonna do that, that's a missed opportunity.
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Because again, maybe Apple is thinking, well, we want everyone to use AirPods and Beats,
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but there's people who don't want to use those headphones, and to those people, which I believe
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are quite enough people, it could be a serious benefit to have W1 experience propagate to
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different types of headphones.
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Because it's a better audio experience than Bluetooth.
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That's basically it.
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You don't have to think about pairing, you don't have to worry about battery life as
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Range is impressive.
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And it feels like they're just limiting themselves if they don't at least collaborate with some
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I'm not arguing that Apple should open up the standard and allow everyone to make W1
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They're not going to try to replace Bluetooth because it's just they call it a secret sauce
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on top of Bluetooth.
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But they're basically doing their own custom process.
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I hate it so much.
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You know, custom software and hardware on top of Bluetooth.
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And that feels like the type of optimisation for the iPhone that other companies could
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jump in and maybe work with Apple to provide a better experience.
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I thoroughly hope you're right. Do you think that they're using Wi-Fi as well with these?
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Is that, do you reckon that's what may be helping the range?
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I don't know. Because I thought about it and I'm home and I'm walking around and range
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is amazing. But then when you go out and when you're just using Bluetooth, it's also amazing.
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So I don't know what they're doing. But you're not leaving it so far away though, are you?
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I could probably try to walk like 20 meters away from my iPhone, but then it's gonna be
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unattended, so I should probably try with Sylvia. Yeah, you say to Sylvia, "Just wait
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there a moment," and then you jog off, and then you see how long it lasts for. This is
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This is a test that only you can do, Federico.
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Yeah, I can try. I don't know if it's like in everyday life, why would you ever need
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that? You know, you leave your iPhone on the menu.
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Oh no, it's not because it's a feature we need. It's just the wonder of like, is it
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using Wi-Fi? Like, is that what is helping you get the range? Like, because you're at
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your home, right? So if it's using Wi-Fi in some way, then maybe, you know, that might
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be how it's keeping the connection. Because Apple haven't made Bluetooth technology better,
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Right, like they, you know, that's not what they're doing here.
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They're adding on to Bluetooth, right?
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Like they haven't created like the best ever Bluetooth chip.
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They're doing something else with it, right?
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Like it's, you know, they haven't just made, because otherwise Bluetooth would be
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better in general, but it's not like that.
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They're this, this additional stuff that they've added on top of it, I think is
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their own technology and it's, it's maybe something along the lines of what
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continuity, you know, how that works.
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AirDrop works, right?
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using their Wi-Fi technology I believe in some way to help make this better.
00:36:06
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But it's way better than AirDrop, much more reliable. And I came across some bugs, I talked
00:36:12
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about it on Twitter, I was really upset initially, but I figured that it was my fault, because
00:36:17
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one I was using a beta, and that's not really the problem. The problem was I was using the
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beta and then I downgraded to iOS 10 stable.
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Yeah, we spoke about this, didn't we?
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Could fix this, and it wasn't really the solution. So once I moved back to the beta, and especially
00:36:31
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with 10.1 beta 2, much much better. Basically being perfect, I can switch between devices
00:36:37
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with like 2 seconds from Control Center. And it's amazing, I never had that kind of setup
00:36:41
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with Bluetooth headphones at all. So they're doing good stuff with the W1, but I'm curious
00:36:47
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to see if we're going to see more beyond beats and AirPods.
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Yeah, I wish that the other beats stuff was for sale. Like I've got a pair, they may be
00:36:56
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the originals, or maybe the two of the Powerbeats, you know, they're earbuds but they have little
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hooks that go over your ears. And they're great for working out or running because they're
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not going to fall off. And I would like to check them out with the new stuff, but they're
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not, there's not even a ship date availability coming this fall on Apple's website today.
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So you know, maybe the AirPods, I gotta get that name straight in my brain, my guess is
00:37:26
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those will ship first and like I'm gonna order a pair I'm looking forward to
00:37:29
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trying the Federico like you I've only grown in my interest about what they
00:37:35
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will be like I've gotten to use them very briefly but I think they're gonna
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be really interesting but I don't want to work out with them I don't want to
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run with them I like that the power beats go over your ear and so they're not
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gonna come flying out very easily but you can't get them yet so you know it's
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It's very early days in this stuff, but I think that it's promising that the people
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who have had experience with it so far have been impressed that it's not just snake oil.
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It seems like it really is an upgrade from where we have been with Bluetooth headphones.
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Even the Powerbeats 2, they're okay.
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They don't sound great and the connection range is kind of not great.
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like using them and if your phone is like in your pocket or in your bag like
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you know with you sometimes it can drop out or get staticky like it's not very
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far away and I would look forward to seeing you know what they would be like
00:38:34
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with this new this new tech from Apple so I'm definitely interested in it I
00:38:39
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think that it's something that could be you know Apple is pushing us into this
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wireless world Myke like you were saying like you haven't really been
00:38:48
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been interested in this before, you've had an experience that's not super great, but
00:38:52
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now we're here because of the product decision they made with the iPhone 7.
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Yeah, I have no choice but to pay attention now.
00:38:58
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Right, exactly. So hopefully they're delivering on the other side of it.
00:39:01
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Over the last couple of months there have been continued changes in the App Store. We
00:39:05
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spoke a little bit about subscription models, and then I think the company that everyone
00:39:11
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was expecting to go down the subscription model route, the OmniGroup, has done something
00:39:19
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ever so slightly different. So can one of you kind of sum up what the OmniGroup are
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>> Yeah, so they're switching to a different model that I guess we were expecting. Instead
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of going with subscriptions and, you know, asking everyone to subscribe to OmniFocus
00:39:36
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or a hominid planner, they're taking advantage of in-app purchases and the way receipt validation
00:39:42
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works for developers to, I don't want to say fake, but basically implement a new way to
00:39:49
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do free trials, a limited feature set for two weeks, and then if you want to continue
00:39:54
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using an app, you gotta unlock the full feature set once with a single in-app purchase.
00:40:00
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And if you don't want to unlock the app, it's gonna remain on your device, but it's only
00:40:04
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only going to be used as a viewer. So you can only view files of that type shared with
00:40:09
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you. And this, of course, I'm not sure how it applies to OmniFocus because you don't
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share tasks as files with OmniFocus.
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But they're starting with... yet, exactly. But we're starting with, I think, OmniGraffle
00:40:19
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launching today on the apps, in fact, the new version of OmniGraffle 7. And it's interesting
00:40:25
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because these technologies have been around for a while. So developers have been able
00:40:29
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to validate receipts to do free apps with in-app purchases for years now.
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But it only seems recent, at least a recent development or maybe a sort of new awareness
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from developers to be able to say, "Look, we're going to have a free app on the App
00:40:46
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We're going to give you a free trial.
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That free trial is an in-app purchase set at tier zero.
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So zero dollars.
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And it lasts for two weeks.
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After that, we're going to remove the trial.
00:40:57
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It's a non-renewable purchase, right?
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- So in the real world, it's a single purchase.
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You basically unlock the free In-App Purchase.
00:41:03
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So you unlock the free trial and it lasts two weeks.
00:41:07
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After that, either you unlock the full feature set
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of the app or you just keep it installed,
00:41:12
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but it's gonna be free and limited
00:41:13
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because you cannot only view stuff,
00:41:14
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you cannot create stuff anymore.
00:41:16
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And it's basically the shareware model all over again,
00:41:20
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but done with In-App Purchases instead.
00:41:23
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And it's not just the Omni Group,
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because I feel like after the Omni Group announcement,
00:41:28
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which a lot of people paid attention to because it's,
00:41:30
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you know, OmniGroup is the poster child
00:41:32
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of making money on the App Store,
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especially the iOS App Store.
00:41:35
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To-do announced that they're going free as well
00:41:38
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with in-app purchases.
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They're starting with Android,
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so they're doing the same model,
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free with a free in-app purchase to unlock the trial.
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After that, you gotta unlock the full feature set
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with another single in-app purchase.
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So it's not a subscription, and To-do says,
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"We're gonna consider other platforms if this goes well."
00:41:56
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And it's interesting to me because for many many years we've been arguing Apple should implement what other developers have been doing for ages for Mac software.
00:42:05
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Which is you download the free app, there's a trial and then you buy the app.
00:42:10
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And what the Omni Group is doing here and what Todo is also doing is basically the same thing but the model, the technology is different.
00:42:19
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And I still don't know if this is Apple, if this is something that Apple is officially happy about,
00:42:26
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if they received guidance from Apple to follow this route.
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I'm gonna guess yes. And the reason I think this is, do you remember when the Omni group tried to
00:42:34
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use the App Store receipts to activate their own version, right? It was like they were using,
00:42:42
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if you bought it in the Mac App Store, you would unlock the OmniFocus downloaded version
00:42:47
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for free, right, if you download it from their website, and that got killed.
00:42:52
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So my thinking would be that OmniFocus wouldn't do this unless they knew it was gonna be okay.
00:43:01
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- Yeah. - Right?
00:43:03
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Like, because this is such a big, this is like a huge change for their business model,
00:43:09
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one that I think they know that they wanted to do that.
00:43:13
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Like, you know, this is something that the Omni group knows they need to do because their
00:43:17
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apps are expensive for the App Store, right? Like $40 a pop or something for some of them.
00:43:22
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Free trials are almost essential for them to continue, I think, because they need people
00:43:28
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to be able to try their software without paying high prices to get in the door.
00:43:33
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And this will allow that. Like, you know, we talk about OmniFocus a lot and I have people say to me,
00:43:39
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like can you tell me how good it is? Can you tell me if it does this? Can you tell me if
00:43:44
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it does that? Because people want to make sure that their purchase is okay before they
00:43:48
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go ahead and buy it, right? So I think that this is a really good way for them to just
00:43:54
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say, well, hell, now just download it and find out yourself and you've got two weeks
00:43:58
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to try it. Two weeks is a good trial time and you can find out if it's good for you.
00:44:01
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I think this is really good for them, but I do believe that they've, that they have
00:44:06
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with Apple beforehand to make sure it works because, I mean, if they hadn't, that's kind
00:44:12
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Like, that would be a bad decision.
00:44:14
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You know why it feels strange?
00:44:16
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I guess it's because we went from the sort of narrative where you cannot do free trials
00:44:20
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on the App Store, it's impossible, Apple is not working with indie developers to do this,
00:44:26
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to "we have a working solution without any announcement from Apple and we're using the
00:44:31
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stuff that's already in place with in-app purchases" and suddenly everyone realizes
00:44:35
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"Oh, we can do free trials on the App Store."
00:44:37
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It's just a major change in the things we believed
00:44:40
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about pricing apps on the iOS App Store.
00:44:43
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And suddenly the Omni Group comes out and be like,
00:44:46
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"Well, there you go, we're gonna switch to free trials."
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And everyone's okay with it.
00:44:51
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And it's just, it's a major change for the Omni Group,
00:44:54
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but also for the entire, you know, how many articles,
00:44:56
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how many podcast episodes we've done about sustainability
00:44:59
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of indie software on the App Store,
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of pro software on the App Store,
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with developers not being able to give trials to people.
00:45:06
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We've been talking about this stuff for years,
00:45:08
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and now it's possible, and there's no,
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it's not like a major launch from Apple.
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There's no dedicated webpage about,
00:45:16
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you can now do free trials
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and then let people try your software.
00:45:20
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It's stuff that's already available to developers,
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and I don't know, maybe the OmniGroup just figured it out,
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or maybe Apple just went to them and was like,
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"Hey, you know, you can actually do this now
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"because we're okay with it."
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Maybe that was it, maybe it was not the case,
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but anyway, this is gonna be a thing now.
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And I feel like-
00:45:37
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- My expectation is that this is just
00:45:39
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an incredibly complicated thing to get right.
00:45:42
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- Probably, probably, because you're dealing
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with received validation, in-app purchases set to free.
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And so it can be complex when you're dealing
00:45:50
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with people with multiple currencies.
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Of course, it's limited to individual accounts.
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So family sharing cannot,
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once you unlock an in-app purchase on one device,
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members of your family sharing setup cannot access that In-App Purchase.
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So if I buy the new OmniGraffle and I unlock the complete feature set within In-App Purchase,
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Silvia, who is part of my family sharing plan, will not be able to unlock that In-App Purchase
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because In-App Purchase is still not available to family sharing.
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So it comes with a bunch of limitations, it comes with a bunch of complex things to make sure that they're working right.
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I mean, it does sound like a better deal overall for people like the Omni Group
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because they're able to say, "Look, we have a $200 app on the iPad, which sounds crazy,
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but now you can try it for free for two weeks." So, you know, I think it's going to be beneficial to them.
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Yeah, I think so too. I hope it works, and I hope it is a model that other developers can
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take, because it will allow people that make these productivity apps to charge more money, whether it's
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subscriptions or higher kind of prices to get in the door because then because you'll have free
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trials. Now are the omni group setting and subscription plans after this or is it a one-time
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payment for something like omni-grefl? No it's a one-time payment it's not a subscription they
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made sure to stress that it's gonna be a single time unlock and I actually believe they're gonna
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be able to do some kind of upgrade pricing if you unlocked a previous In-App Purchase.
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Say OmniGraffle 8 launches in three years, maybe if you bought OmniGraffle 7 within a
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specific time frame, you're going to be able to unlock that future In-App Purchase at a
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discounted price.
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I'm not sure about this, but by basing the entire system on In-App Purchases and doing
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receive validation, they can do a bunch of things that used to be exclusive to
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selling Mac software on your own with licenses and that kind of
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stuff and now it seems like the only group can do this for in-app purchase on
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the iOS and Mac App Store and you know the Mac App Store of course it's kind of a
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joke but it's again seems possible. App Store ads are also a thing that exists
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now in search. Now they're not in the UK so I haven't seen any but I know that
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Federica you have a US account and Steven of course you have a US account.
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So I was wondering kind of what has your opinion been as a consumer right now when looking
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at search results and seeing ads?
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Are you seeing what you'd expect to be seeing?
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It seems to be, to me at least, a really mixed bag where sometimes if I'm searching for something
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the quote right ad will show up and other times it'll seem really off or seem like someone
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is trying to be in a place they shouldn't be.
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And I've also done, as I'm sure Federico has,
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like search for name, like well-known apps
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that probably already have installed,
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just to see if the ad matches the branded search
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that I'm doing, or if a competitor is there.
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And it seems like a real mixed bag at this point,
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where sometimes I get what I expect,
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or get something that seems to make sense,
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and other times it seems to be doing kind of whatever it wants.
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I'm not super impressed so far.
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What about you Federico?
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Yeah, I don't know what to think honestly because it's been really a mixed bag.
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I was looking for a bunch of apps and some ads were useful because they gave me this
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indie result from a developer I didn't know about and it was actually relevant.
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Then I would say this happened maybe 20, 30% of the time,
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and the rest was completely irrelevant ads
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for big name companies that were bidding on some keyword.
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And then I was looking at that result,
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which was not really accurate
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and not really what I was looking for.
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So it doesn't seem to me at least now
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that what Apple has done is amazing,
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and oh my God, it's completely different
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from Google AdSense and other types of ads
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that we've seen on the web before.
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I don't particularly mind them, but I don't think they're great either.
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I think it's something that Apple wants to try, and if I were to rate the experience
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right now it would be not even a 6 out of 10.
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Barely a 6 out of 10.
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I think of most of the developers that I follow online, it seems that there just tends to
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be a lot of confusion.
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It is confusing.
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confusing sometimes you get the actually good results most of the time you get
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like poker, casino type of games in search results which are really not the type of
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stuff I'm into and it doesn't seem like Apple is accounting for my previous
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history so you know I'm not the type of I'm pretty sure I never ever downloaded
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a poker or casino game before in my entire life with this account which I've
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been using for like eight years on the App Store. So it doesn't seem like they're
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accounting for relevancy to the user, they're just using this system based on
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keywords and bidding and you know, I don't know how it works, but it's not
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particularly impressive. Like it's my jaw didn't drop when I saw the App Store
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ads, whereas I was more impressed by you know Apple doing curation and stuff like
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categories and you know the more frequent updates to the App Store on page.
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That's impressive and that's really well done when Apple curates apps. Search ads, yeah, you know, that's my reaction. Yeah, they exist
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Yeah, it's not really doing gangbusters. I don't know why it's US only
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That doesn't really make sense to me, but it is but to be honest like I'm not missing it. I'm not upset that I
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Don't think I'm gonna gain much out of this if they exist to be honest. Yeah again
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It seems like sometimes you search for stuff and it's pretty good. Other times you do search for
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specific things and you run into this result from some shady company with lots of money.
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So I guess that's just how ads work.
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And I mean we need more time to assess how this will scale in practice. If maybe there's not enough indie developers
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trying this right now, maybe if you know the percentage of ads is skewed towards big-name companies with deep pockets,
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We don't know. So maybe by next WWDC we'll be able to make a more, you know,
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better assessment of has this been useful at all or is it something that you know, it's kind of like I had.
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It was a thing that existed but it was never impressive to anyone.
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All right, I think that about wraps it up for today.
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There's not a lot going on right now. I think we're in the lull before another event, I think.
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Just feeling it.
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If you want to find us all online, there's a few places you can do that. You can go to
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MaxStories.net for Federico's work and he's over @Vitiici on twitter. Steven is at 512pixels.net
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and he is @ismh and I am @imike and I would love it if you would check out my YouTube
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videos at youtube.com/mikehurley. You can find me there. Thanks again to Pearl and their
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rear vision camera for supporting this week's show and most of all as always thank you for
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listening we have a bunch of show notes and links today go to relay.fm/connected/112
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thanks so much we'll be back next time until then say goodbye guys
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arrivederci adios