Connected

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00:00:06 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected episode 113. Today's show is brought to you by Smile and the

00:00:14 ◼   ► Nuisance Committee. Please stay tuned after this show for a special message about the 2016

00:00:19 ◼   ► presidential election. My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by Mr Federico Vittucci. Ciao Federico.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Ciao Myke. And Mr Stephen Hackett. I'm just gonna take it straight to follow up.

00:00:28 ◼   ► As promised and as teased we have the update to the Relay FM app for iOS is

00:00:36 ◼   ► out. Version 1.5 includes a bunch of iMessage stickers. So there will be a link

00:00:43 ◼   ► of the show notes to the blog post and then of course to the ever-important iOS app

00:00:48 ◼   ► store. And they're out, super fun. We've gotten a lot of screenshots of people

00:00:52 ◼   ► totally like blasting their friends and family with stickers that they have no

00:00:57 ◼   ► idea what the jokes are about, which I really enjoy, people just pushing the relay FM humor

00:01:02 ◼   ► onto innocent bystanders. So please keep that up in your life.

00:01:08 ◼   ► There is nothing better in the world than having an iMessage sticker of yourself.

00:01:12 ◼   ► It's pretty good.

00:01:13 ◼   ► To send to people.

00:01:14 ◼   ► It's very nice, it's very nice. Especially when I can stamp my name onto things I approve,

00:01:20 ◼   ► and especially when my mom doesn't understand why there's a stamp with my name. She's like,

00:01:26 ◼   ► is that? What is that supposed to mean? Is that like a joke? And I'm like no. Didn't

00:01:30 ◼   ► there used to be an app that was just based around that? What was it called? Oh really?

00:01:36 ◼   ► Ditche tweets you mean? No no no it was based around like you would like stamp your approval

00:01:40 ◼   ► and things. Oh yeah. Stamped! It was just called Stamped. Yahoo bought it and shut it

00:01:43 ◼   ► down. Oh yeah yeah that's social network. Man that is like deep track knowledge. I love

00:01:48 ◼   ► that app. That was in the time where everybody started their own weird social networks right?

00:01:53 ◼   ► Yeah, we were all using Path at the same time. Rest in peace.

00:01:59 ◼   ► What were we talking about? Stickers? We were talking about iMessage and

00:02:06 ◼   ► bystanders. So if you were enjoying it this is the obligatory please go drop a

00:02:11 ◼   ► review on the app in the App Store that would be really awesome and help us out.

00:02:14 ◼   ► Federica, you had questions about stickers? Well I don't have questions I just

00:02:19 ◼   ► appreciate them they're very fun I've been sending them to my friends and

00:02:23 ◼   ► And again, they don't understand, but it's fun.

00:02:25 ◼   ► And especially, I love how the teachy-seal quality

00:02:28 ◼   ► has a really subtle animation going on.

00:02:31 ◼   ► It's very awesome work.

00:02:32 ◼   ► I also like the mic emoji, which I sent to John

00:02:36 ◼   ► and other people.

00:02:38 ◼   ► I think you did a great job.

00:02:40 ◼   ► They're really fun.

00:02:42 ◼   ► And it's one more reason to get the Relay app,

00:02:45 ◼   ► if only for the stickers.

00:02:47 ◼   ► - And we have more sticker packs in the works

00:02:50 ◼   ► for the future.

00:02:50 ◼   ► This is our starting pack,

00:02:52 ◼   ► which we're, we worked really hard on, we're very excited about it, and we hope that you

00:02:54 ◼   ► love them.

00:02:55 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:02:56 ◼   ► Yeah, I wanted to know, like, was there like a process, like an election to get, to decide

00:03:04 ◼   ► the basic sticker packs?

00:03:05 ◼   ► Can people kind of vote on what they want to have next?

00:03:09 ◼   ► So what we did for this first one was we asked all of our hosts to give us some suggestions

00:03:14 ◼   ► of stickers.

00:03:16 ◼   ► We presented them to our designer, the amazing ForgottenTale, and he looked at what he thought

00:03:21 ◼   ► he would be able to do from those suggestions and we went from there.

00:03:24 ◼   ► And then we worked with the TapJets team to get some of them animated.

00:03:28 ◼   ► And then in the future, I don't know, we're going to see maybe we could do some for special

00:03:32 ◼   ► events and stuff like that.

00:03:33 ◼   ► But also, I am open to and we are very open to our listeners suggesting stickers that

00:03:38 ◼   ► they would like to see in the future.

00:03:40 ◼   ► And we're starting to build up a list of things that we could add in future updates.

00:03:45 ◼   ► So it was a slightly democratic process.

00:03:50 ◼   ► Slightly democratic.

00:03:51 ◼   ► Okay. Yeah. That's our future. This is like democracy. Good job.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Let's not get down that rabbit hole. Sure. Talk to me about London and Apple. What

00:04:02 ◼   ► is going on, Myke? Yeah. I went to the new Regent Street store,

00:04:06 ◼   ► which I'd spoken about that I was going to go and visit. And it is beautiful. So I couldn't

00:04:10 ◼   ► help but take some video of the store, turned it into half of a vlog episode on my YouTube

00:04:16 ◼   ► channel. It is just an absolutely stunning, stunning building. I was blown away by it.

00:04:24 ◼   ► So I was watching the video because you know, you're now also a YouTuber, a very famous

00:04:29 ◼   ► YouTube personality. Yeah, like the most famous I think. Yeah, yeah. Top, top UK YouTuber.

00:04:35 ◼   ► So I was looking at the video and the ceiling looks insane to me. It looks like a movie,

00:04:40 ◼   ► some kind of drone, meets apple store and there's a, you were describing to us these

00:04:47 ◼   ► little touches around the store. So besides the fact that I think you can just unplug

00:04:52 ◼   ► an iPhone from the charger, there's no security cable anymore. You told us the, when you go

00:04:59 ◼   ► up the stairs, they did something pretty cool with the, with the stone. What's it called,

00:05:05 ◼   ► the handrail or something? So I tried to show this in the video because I really loved it,

00:05:09 ◼   ► they carved the handrails into Italian limestone, Federico.

00:05:13 ◼   ► That's amazing.

00:05:14 ◼   ► And the angles of the handrails are the same angles that they use in Apple products like

00:05:20 ◼   ► phones and laptops and stuff like they carved them into the same angle. I don't know why

00:05:24 ◼   ► you would do that but I love that they did. The story is so amazing. You said about the

00:05:28 ◼   ► ceiling, like the lighting in there is so, it's like warm, it's really interesting. And

00:05:35 ◼   ► because it like the whole ceiling is just lit the whole thing is lit and it

00:05:39 ◼   ► gives it this really nice look and the way they put the trees in there they

00:05:43 ◼   ► didn't seem to have a genius Grove as such it was just like seemed to be split

00:05:48 ◼   ► out like just spread across the whole store there were like just places where

00:05:52 ◼   ► you could sit down and get help but I thought it was it was really amazing the

00:05:57 ◼   ► stew in the in a stew it in the in the chat room after they brought the theater

00:06:00 ◼   ► back. There isn't a theater in this store. They have the big screen at the bottom and

00:06:05 ◼   ► they have some seats there. But they have recently put a theater in the Covent Garden

00:06:10 ◼   ► store which is not too far away. But there used to be like a theater space. You remember

00:06:15 ◼   ► when I did that Monument Valley thing?

00:06:17 ◼   ► Yes.

00:06:18 ◼   ► That was in the theater in the Regentries store but that doesn't exist anymore. I think

00:06:21 ◼   ► in that area they put this new thing called the boardroom where they're doing like business

00:06:25 ◼   ► meetings and they're probably going to do product demos in there for press. That's where

00:06:30 ◼   ► that it's like you can't get in there obviously but there's no theater anymore

00:06:33 ◼   ► but they have this big screen and there's like an area in front of the

00:06:36 ◼   ► screen where they have seats and they could put more seats I expect but that's

00:06:39 ◼   ► on the ground floor and I expect they'll do some things there like on the opening

00:06:43 ◼   ► day they had an artist who had an iPad Pro and a pencil sketching people and it

00:06:48 ◼   ► was mirroring what he was sketching on the on the screen that you could sit

00:06:50 ◼   ► down and have your portrait done. That's cool. And I expect they'll do a lot of

00:06:54 ◼   ► stuff like that because they put this screen like you know the big screen it's

00:06:57 ◼   ► like right as you go in which is really interesting like you could there's like

00:07:01 ◼   ► just this big pathway and you just see the screen it's been designed quite

00:07:05 ◼   ► beautifully but I guess if they want to do a lot of those talks at the Apple

00:07:10 ◼   ► store type thing I expect they'll probably do more of those in Covent

00:07:13 ◼   ► Garden because they've recently built out a big kind of stage there hmm yeah a

00:07:18 ◼   ► lot of stores at least the ones that I've been here in the United States

00:07:21 ◼   ► have gotten rid of the the theater I think our local store got rid of it like

00:07:25 ◼   ► ten years ago but even like the new stores like the San Francisco stores

00:07:29 ◼   ► we've all been to you know huge two-story beautiful like beautiful

00:07:34 ◼   ► location you smell like go and hang out there's no there's no theater there and

00:07:38 ◼   ► my guess is that in those like high-traffic stores it's just not worth

00:07:41 ◼   ► the square footage to yeah have just basically seats that aren't you know are

00:07:47 ◼   ► only usable for one thing but I think in the city like London where you have

00:07:51 ◼   ► multiple stores and you have you know they do a lot of type events there like

00:07:55 ◼   ► you said, the one you did, I think it probably makes sense to have at least one store that

00:07:59 ◼   ► has that option.

00:08:00 ◼   ► Yeah, and I think they're going to keep one in New York probably, you know, like so they

00:08:05 ◼   ► have these places to do these things because they clearly like to do them. I think now

00:08:09 ◼   ► I've seen all of the stores that have had this refurbishment done to them. From what

00:08:15 ◼   ► I can recall, it's Memphis, San Francisco, and Regent Street. I can't think of any more

00:08:21 ◼   ► that have the new design. So I've seen them all and I might be biased but I think the

00:08:27 ◼   ► Regent Street one is the best looking of all of them.

00:08:30 ◼   ► Yeah I mean looking at your video it, you know when Angela Ehrhardt started talking

00:08:36 ◼   ► about what she wanted to do with them, you know it sounded like a part museum almost,

00:08:41 ◼   ► right like you have all these plants and like these big seating areas and it felt very informal

00:08:49 ◼   ► like in a way, but also like the architecture

00:08:51 ◼   ► in a way is very striking.

00:08:53 ◼   ► And I think the Regent Street store

00:08:55 ◼   ► is the best example of that.

00:08:56 ◼   ► Like the store like here in Memphis

00:08:58 ◼   ► or even in San Francisco feels more like

00:09:01 ◼   ► a traditional Apple store than my impression was

00:09:04 ◼   ► from your video.

00:09:05 ◼   ► You have these huge tall ceilings,

00:09:07 ◼   ► you have this beautiful staircase,

00:09:09 ◼   ► and it feels more like a destination almost

00:09:13 ◼   ► than I think some of the others I've been to.

00:09:16 ◼   ► - One of the weird things though for me

00:09:18 ◼   ► is that they've actually reduced the square footage of sales space.

00:09:21 ◼   ► So the previous store was two floors and there were products across all

00:09:27 ◼   ► both of the floors.

00:09:28 ◼   ► But that's not the case anymore.

00:09:30 ◼   ► They now kind of just have the one large floor and then you can go up and there's

00:09:34 ◼   ► a space in the back.

00:09:35 ◼   ► And I think they've purely done this for aesthetic reasons because having the

00:09:39 ◼   ► large ceilings like it looks incredible.

00:09:42 ◼   ► Just an interesting observation.

00:09:44 ◼   ► I think when I first heard about the trees, right, and stuff like that, it was like, what

00:09:49 ◼   ► are they, why, why are they putting trees in the upper store? But it works weirdly well.

00:09:55 ◼   ► Like it just, it just feels good. There are smarter people than me that come up with these

00:10:00 ◼   ► ideas.

00:10:01 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it feels cozy. Cozy, but also striking at the same time. I don't know.

00:10:07 ◼   ► It's a strange combination of this is like a magnificent work of architecture, but also,

00:10:15 ◼   ► hey, there's a tree, you can sit down and talk to people. Like there's a weird contrast

00:10:20 ◼   ► there, but I also think it works. And my experience is more limited than you guys have only been

00:10:24 ◼   ► to the San Francisco store. In fact, we've been together to that store and it felt great.

00:10:29 ◼   ► Like it's not as striking as the photos from the Regent Street store. But I think I like

00:10:35 ◼   ► this new direction. Like there's a lot of, I don't know, the way that the headphones,

00:10:40 ◼   ► for example, are displayed on the shelves. Actually not shelves, but you know.

00:10:45 ◼   ► Unlike little heads, like the circular heads. Yeah, the score.

00:10:48 ◼   ► The way the accessory are displayed, the way that you can talk to Apple employees and you

00:10:53 ◼   ► know the trees and the high ceilings, the big displays. I think it's really beautiful.

00:10:59 ◼   ► And I think it's really nice to be able to pick up an iPhone and truly use it without

00:11:03 ◼   ► would be cabled to a desk. That's a really nice touch. Those phones brick by the way,

00:11:10 ◼   ► if you try and take them out, they just brick immediately. They've got some software on

00:11:13 ◼   ► them.

00:11:14 ◼   ► Yeah, 925Mac added some details on the special software, they're basically tied to the store

00:11:20 ◼   ► Wi-Fi, and as soon as you walk out the store, some special Find My iPhone iCloud kitchen

00:11:27 ◼   ► software basically destroys the phone and it's unusable. So don't try to get one and

00:11:35 ◼   ► run because it's not going to work.

00:11:37 ◼   ► It's like James Bond getting a mission on a cassette tape and then, you know, or a mission

00:11:42 ◼   ► possible and then the smoke comes out.

00:11:44 ◼   ► Yeah, this phone will destroy in five seconds.

00:11:47 ◼   ► Maybe that was what happens with all the Note 7s. Oh! Oh, no! He did it!

00:11:53 ◼   ► Oh, no, you went there. No, why, Myke? Why?

00:11:56 ◼   ► I think the most interesting thing about this Apple store,

00:11:59 ◼   ► and all these other ones we're talking about,

00:12:00 ◼   ► is Apple is getting better at making the Apple stores

00:12:04 ◼   ► unique to their location.

00:12:06 ◼   ► So, like when I worked in retail,

00:12:08 ◼   ► now nine years ago or something,

00:12:11 ◼   ► basically all the stores were more or less the same.

00:12:13 ◼   ► And then you had the mini stores that were in malls

00:12:16 ◼   ► and they used brushed metal panels everywhere.

00:12:18 ◼   ► But if you walked into an Apple store,

00:12:20 ◼   ► they were all more or less the same.

00:12:22 ◼   ► You knew where everything was

00:12:24 ◼   ► because they were all laid out the same.

00:12:25 ◼   ► The width may change, and they may have some different features, but they were all very

00:12:29 ◼   ► similar.

00:12:30 ◼   ► I think that was important for a really long time, because Apple was really growing their

00:12:34 ◼   ► retail presence.

00:12:35 ◼   ► You wanted any Apple store a consumer walked into to be friendly and to not be overwhelming.

00:12:40 ◼   ► But now, Apple's obviously a much bigger company, a much stronger company than it was then.

00:12:46 ◼   ► And I think it's good that they're taking these elements of their retail stores and

00:12:53 ◼   ► and remixing them.

00:12:53 ◼   ► And I think we saw this starting maybe even with

00:12:56 ◼   ► like the Cube in New York, and then they were in

00:12:59 ◼   ► the train station in New York, and you know,

00:13:02 ◼   ► a very unique space where they could

00:13:04 ◼   ► take these same elements but remix them in new ways.

00:13:08 ◼   ► And it really feels to me like comparing London

00:13:10 ◼   ► to San Francisco to those New York stores

00:13:12 ◼   ► to like my Apple store, just like a run of the mill,

00:13:15 ◼   ► you know, suburban Apple store.

00:13:17 ◼   ► They are rebuilding them and redesigning them

00:13:21 ◼   ► for the spaces that they're in.

00:13:22 ◼   ► And it means that the flagships always be special.

00:13:27 ◼   ► Like no doubt Regent Street is at the head of that list.

00:13:30 ◼   ► But I think it also means that my just like

00:13:33 ◼   ► little Apple store here is unique in its own way.

00:13:36 ◼   ► And that it may be slightly different

00:13:38 ◼   ► than some of the others because of its location.

00:13:40 ◼   ► And I like that.

00:13:42 ◼   ► I think it is Apple really paying attention

00:13:44 ◼   ► to where their stores go.

00:13:46 ◼   ► And as they go through this,

00:13:48 ◼   ► what will surely be a multi-year process

00:13:52 ◼   ► to update all the stores.

00:13:54 ◼   ► Memphis was one of the first ones

00:13:55 ◼   ► with these new design elements.

00:13:58 ◼   ► I expect to see some variation

00:13:59 ◼   ► and to see Apple treating them differently.

00:14:03 ◼   ► Even the Campus Store,

00:14:04 ◼   ► which again the three of us went to this summer,

00:14:07 ◼   ► they had the video screen,

00:14:08 ◼   ► but it was much smaller

00:14:09 ◼   ► because the Campus Store is very small.

00:14:12 ◼   ► And that Campus Store is-- - And also super hot.

00:14:14 ◼   ► Do you remember that?

00:14:15 ◼   ► - Very hot to walk near.

00:14:16 ◼   ► It's very strange.

00:14:17 ◼   ► And the campus was actually much, much smaller

00:14:19 ◼   ► than it used to be.

00:14:20 ◼   ► When I was there in the past, it was much larger.

00:14:23 ◼   ► But I think as they're updating them and renovating them,

00:14:26 ◼   ► I'm excited to see where they go with it.

00:14:27 ◼   ► I love Apple retail.

00:14:30 ◼   ► I think it's a fascinating corner of the company to study.

00:14:32 ◼   ► And I think that the decisions like,

00:14:35 ◼   ► hey, we're going to shorten the second floor

00:14:39 ◼   ► and not have as much square footage for an aesthetic reason

00:14:42 ◼   ► is endlessly fascinating.

00:14:44 ◼   ► And I think that it's pretty cool

00:14:46 ◼   ► that they're getting these rolled out, I'm a big fan.

00:14:49 ◼   ► - I wanted to just provide a bit of follow up

00:14:51 ◼   ► about the Beats Solo 3.

00:14:52 ◼   ► So Michael and Scott wrote in to let us know

00:14:55 ◼   ► that the Beats Solo 3 use Bluetooth class one chips.

00:14:59 ◼   ► Typically Bluetooth devices, especially headphones,

00:15:02 ◼   ► use class two chips.

00:15:03 ◼   ► The class one Bluetooth chips range is 100 meters.

00:15:08 ◼   ► So that's why.

00:15:09 ◼   ► - Nice.

00:15:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:15:11 ◼   ► - Whether Apple is doing anything special or not,

00:15:13 ◼   ► it has such a great range because the Bluetooth chip

00:15:15 ◼   ► standard or class is much better.

00:15:17 ◼   ► Yeah, I guess they're doing, they're sort of combining the better Bluetooth chips with

00:15:24 ◼   ► the W1, because I mean, some people have said they're only using the W1 for pairing, which

00:15:30 ◼   ► that might as well be, but we don't know, and it seems to me like it would be, you know,

00:15:37 ◼   ► too limited to say that, you know, to build a custom chip only for the pairing screen.

00:15:42 ◼   ► Which I mean, pairing a Bluetooth device is an annoying process, but it seems like Apple

00:15:46 ◼   ► would like to do a little more, rather than just pairing, to develop a custom chip and

00:15:51 ◼   ► then only use it once.

00:15:54 ◼   ► And they seem to sort of suggest this in the BuzzFeed interview that we talked about last

00:15:59 ◼   ► week when they said that there's a lot of secret sauce going on.

00:16:02 ◼   ► So I guess they're using this better Bluetooth system as the foundation, but then the W1

00:16:10 ◼   ► can optimize for everything, whether it's range, battery life, power consumption or

00:16:14 ◼   ► pairing, iCloud sync. So I don't think it's just for pairing and definitely the better

00:16:21 ◼   ► Bluetooth helps, but I think the sweet spot is in the combination of the two and sort

00:16:27 ◼   ► of the sauce that Apple keeps referring to, but we don't know exactly what it is. And

00:16:33 ◼   ► I'm actually curious to check out the AirPods if they have the same benefits of the Beats

00:16:41 ◼   ► Solo 3 in a much smaller package.

00:16:43 ◼   ► Of course battery life is going to be different, but I want to see if range is the same, I

00:16:47 ◼   ► want to see what the pairing looks like with iCloud, because there's quite a size difference

00:16:53 ◼   ► between the Solo 3 and the AirPods.

00:16:55 ◼   ► So in theory we should be getting some kind of news within the next two weeks, because

00:17:00 ◼   ► we're approaching the end of October real quickly and in theory the AirPods should be

00:17:07 ◼   ► launching within two weeks, even less maybe, so we'll see.

00:17:13 ◼   ► Today I heard Sierra go up there, that's quite funny.

00:17:16 ◼   ► Yeah, that was Sierra, thank you Sierra for… Jesus, why? Why did I even upgrade this Mac?

00:17:23 ◼   ► Why did I do this?

00:17:25 ◼   ► Did the keycaps grow back that are missing? Did Sierra fix that for you?

00:17:29 ◼   ► I was just playing with my trackpad and of course I went over the beautiful Siri icon

00:17:36 ◼   ► in the menu bar, which is like the only colored icon in the menu bar.

00:17:41 ◼   ► Don't even get me started.

00:17:43 ◼   ► Yeah, anyway, thank you, Sierra, for doing that.

00:17:47 ◼   ► Today just before we recorded, the embargo lifted on the Google Pixel. So far I've

00:17:53 ◼   ► checked out the Verges review. There are a bunch of reviews out there which I'm going

00:17:57 ◼   ► be looking at but I'll put the Verges review in the show notes.

00:18:00 ◼   ► Dieter Bohn wrote the review and he produced a great video which is of course how I have

00:18:06 ◼   ► consumed this review so far.

00:18:07 ◼   ► There's a couple of things that I picked out.

00:18:11 ◼   ► The video review just starts with this is the best Android phone that has ever been

00:18:14 ◼   ► made and this is a common thing like the wired review.

00:18:21 ◼   ► David Pearce basically says exactly the same that it's the best Android phone ever.

00:18:25 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean it's not a very high bar, is it?

00:18:28 ◼   ► No, that's not fair. You're being mean now. Don't be that guy.

00:18:32 ◼   ► I know. Okay, yeah, I get it. I agree. Okay.

00:18:37 ◼   ► Alright, there are great phones. Like, the Samsung phones, when they don't explode,

00:18:43 ◼   ► they're great.

00:18:44 ◼   ► Now you're being mean.

00:18:46 ◼   ► I know I am. But that's something you can really say. The 6P is amazing, right? The

00:18:51 ◼   ► The Nexus 6P, the Huawei phone that I had is a really great phone.

00:18:56 ◼   ► There are really great Android phones.

00:18:58 ◼   ► As I've said many times, I lost after the design of the Samsung stuff right now.

00:19:04 ◼   ► I think it looks amazing.

00:19:05 ◼   ► And their phones work really well.

00:19:08 ◼   ► Anywho, he seems really happy with the build quality.

00:19:12 ◼   ► Mentions a few times about the design just being utilitarian.

00:19:16 ◼   ► Mentions that it looks like the iPhone.

00:19:18 ◼   ► It's kind of like the more time I spent looking at pictures of this thing and seeing it in

00:19:22 ◼   ► videos, it basically just looks to me like smartphone.

00:19:26 ◼   ► Like that's how you would call this.

00:19:28 ◼   ► The design of this is smartphone.

00:19:30 ◼   ► They asked, "Can we design smartphone?"

00:19:33 ◼   ► Yes, here is smartphone.

00:19:35 ◼   ► It's like you know when you see an ad and the ad has just like some generic smartphone,

00:19:39 ◼   ► right?

00:19:40 ◼   ► Because they can't use the iPhone?

00:19:43 ◼   ► That's what this looks like.

00:19:45 ◼   ► And I don't know what I think about this now the more time I've spent thinking about it.

00:19:50 ◼   ► Like how do I feel about it?

00:19:51 ◼   ► It just looks like generic smartphone.

00:19:53 ◼   ► Maybe that was the thing Google should have done this time.

00:19:55 ◼   ► Don't try and do anything crazy.

00:19:58 ◼   ► Just nail it.

00:19:59 ◼   ► And I think that they've kind of just built something which is just like, here is phone

00:20:04 ◼   ► as you know it.

00:20:05 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I've been thinking about that too, especially like the the outline shape

00:20:10 ◼   ► of a phone, you know, maybe just because I've got the black iPhone 7 Plus sitting here on

00:20:14 ◼   ► on my desk, but a lot of phones have condensed into this.

00:20:18 ◼   ► And you kind of think about when notebooks were a new thing

00:20:22 ◼   ► and Apple and some others had some really crazy-looking

00:20:27 ◼   ► machines by today's standards, like just go Google search

00:20:30 ◼   ► the Macintosh portable and weep for humanity.

00:20:34 ◼   ► But over time, notebook design sort of condensed

00:20:39 ◼   ► to where it is now and you had the trackball

00:20:42 ◼   ► and I remember very distinctly,

00:20:43 ◼   ► like the first laptop I ever got to use,

00:20:46 ◼   ► my dad bought an NEC, like a Windows 3.1 laptop,

00:20:49 ◼   ► and it had a trackball, but it had it on the front surface,

00:20:54 ◼   ► so like if you're at a Mac notebook,

00:20:57 ◼   ► like where the little cutout is to lift it,

00:20:59 ◼   ► like it was on that front edge,

00:21:00 ◼   ► not on the same plane as the keyboard.

00:21:02 ◼   ► That thing was ridiculous to use,

00:21:05 ◼   ► but you know, over time, Apple and others sort of,

00:21:08 ◼   ► you know, realized, okay, we pushed the keyboard up,

00:21:10 ◼   ► we put the pointing device here,

00:21:12 ◼   ► center at the bottom, we end up moving to a trackpad

00:21:15 ◼   ► eventually, and now the basic template of a notebook

00:21:19 ◼   ► is more or less the same, you know, excluding the crazy

00:21:22 ◼   ► like, you know, flip convertible things we see now,

00:21:25 ◼   ► but a traditional laptop, they're all kind of the same,

00:21:30 ◼   ► and I just wonder if that's what we're seeing

00:21:32 ◼   ► with smartphones that is not so much about the Pixel

00:21:36 ◼   ► copying the iPhone, although they definitely have

00:21:39 ◼   ► a lot of similarities, especially on the back,

00:21:42 ◼   ► like the antenna lines and stuff, it's very similar.

00:21:45 ◼   ► But if you zoom out from the details

00:21:49 ◼   ► and look kind of like from across the room,

00:21:51 ◼   ► I think you're right, Myke, that, oh God,

00:21:54 ◼   ► that this is sort of like the template,

00:21:57 ◼   ► this is sort of the design language for smartphones.

00:22:00 ◼   ► And I think we'll continue to see tweaks and variations,

00:22:03 ◼   ► like the MacBook Air brought the tapered design,

00:22:06 ◼   ► still a notebook but a little bit different.

00:22:09 ◼   ► But it doesn't bother me as much as it bothers some people.

00:22:13 ◼   ► I think that they had to play it safe, like you said,

00:22:17 ◼   ► that coming out of the gate with something really bananas

00:22:21 ◼   ► would distract from what they're trying to do

00:22:25 ◼   ► with the software and with the first time

00:22:27 ◼   ► they've done hardware and software together.

00:22:29 ◼   ► And so having a design that's kind of a safe,

00:22:33 ◼   ► conservative bet, even if that means looking like the iPhone,

00:22:36 ◼   ► was probably the right call.

00:22:37 ◼   ► So the design isn't the story, but the software and hardware is the story.

00:22:42 ◼   ► And even with that glass window on the back, which I don't think looks very good, even

00:22:47 ◼   ► that and the reviews that I've seen basically just gets washed over.

00:22:50 ◼   ► The design is not really a part of the story, and I think that's a win for Google.

00:22:53 ◼   ► I think Google wants people talking about the assistant and what they're doing to Android

00:22:58 ◼   ► and how it's really interesting that they're doing it together, and the design just needs

00:23:01 ◼   ► to kind of fade into the background.

00:23:04 ◼   ► The specs of the phone everyone seems happy with.

00:23:07 ◼   ► And this is a game that we don't really play, right?

00:23:10 ◼   ► 'Cause there just aren't specs for the iPhones,

00:23:12 ◼   ► like officially spoken about.

00:23:14 ◼   ► But it's got a Qualcomm Snapdragon 821,

00:23:17 ◼   ► which, I mean, that's lots of numbers,

00:23:18 ◼   ► and there's dragons in it, so,

00:23:20 ◼   ► I mean, it's probably a good thing.

00:23:21 ◼   ► - Gotta be good. - Has four gigabytes of RAM,

00:23:23 ◼   ► which is insane, right?

00:23:25 ◼   ► Like four gigabytes of RAM,

00:23:27 ◼   ► and it has an OLED screen, which looks really great.

00:23:30 ◼   ► Everyone seems to be really happy with that.

00:23:31 ◼   ► It's supposedly really powerful.

00:23:33 ◼   ► Bon said that he found that the battery life on this was much better than any phone that

00:23:39 ◼   ► he's used recently.

00:23:40 ◼   ► Like by a couple of hours more usage a day than an iPhone or any other Android phone.

00:23:46 ◼   ► And Google is doing a lot of stuff now to try and make the software use the battery

00:23:52 ◼   ► less.

00:23:53 ◼   ► I think they have a thing called Doze which was brought in with Android 7.

00:23:56 ◼   ► So they're finding different ways to try and enhance that.

00:23:59 ◼   ► The camera, he says it's really good.

00:24:03 ◼   ► The idea of it being the best camera, not so much.

00:24:06 ◼   ► The sample photos that are in the review, they do look really good.

00:24:11 ◼   ► There's no optical image stabilization in the images, like in still images, which can

00:24:15 ◼   ► be a problem.

00:24:16 ◼   ► But I think that the camera looks fine.

00:24:18 ◼   ► And he took some video, showed some sample video with the stabilization on the video.

00:24:22 ◼   ► That also looked really interesting to me.

00:24:24 ◼   ► It looked really good.

00:24:25 ◼   ► The camera definitely looks like it holds up against the iPhone and the S7.

00:24:33 ◼   ► look different in their own way like you can see like the quality of the picture

00:24:36 ◼   ► is basically the same but like they represent colors differently and I guess

00:24:41 ◼   ► it's just a taste thing at this point like what what do you like the most it

00:24:45 ◼   ► looks fine to me yeah they're doing something interesting with HDR I think

00:24:51 ◼   ► by default HDR is turned on so that the photos like on their little slider

00:24:55 ◼   ► JavaScript thing it does it looks like an HDR photo from an iPhone but I think

00:25:02 ◼   ► maybe even a little bit better than what the iPhone does.

00:25:06 ◼   ► Really nice dark colors, but still a lot of brightness

00:25:10 ◼   ► and a lot of contrast.

00:25:11 ◼   ► I think to my taste, that's how I prefer my photos.

00:25:15 ◼   ► If I go and edit a photo, I tend to increase the contrast

00:25:18 ◼   ► a little bit, increase the saturation a little bit.

00:25:22 ◼   ► It's just personal taste.

00:25:23 ◼   ► And I think, to me, these look really good.

00:25:27 ◼   ► And I'm really glad, for so long,

00:25:31 ◼   ► Like if you wanted to carry an Android phone,

00:25:33 ◼   ► it kind of meant you had to have a bad camera.

00:25:35 ◼   ► Like it was sort of a trade off that just came with it.

00:25:38 ◼   ► But I think for people who want to run Android,

00:25:40 ◼   ► having something that like totally in the same ballpark

00:25:44 ◼   ► as the iPhone is great.

00:25:46 ◼   ► And I guess they put it head to head with the S7, which

00:25:52 ◼   ► is also really good.

00:25:53 ◼   ► So yeah, I think they look really nice.

00:25:56 ◼   ► That actually really impressed me looking

00:25:57 ◼   ► through the Virtus review.

00:25:58 ◼   ► jumped out at me the most was, you know, they seem to have gotten this right.

00:26:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I follow on a different side. I think I'm looking at the photo comparisons on the

00:26:09 ◼   ► version. I think I prefer the way that they look on the iPhone.

00:26:12 ◼   ► Yeah, that's fine though. That's the thing, isn't it? It's like, you can see that it's

00:26:16 ◼   ► a good camera, but it's like, what image do you like the most? You know? Personally,

00:26:22 ◼   ► I think that the Samsung image looks the nicest to my tastes.

00:26:25 ◼   ► Yeah, the Samsung image looks like the colors are way too saturated and it almost looks

00:26:31 ◼   ► fake to me.

00:26:32 ◼   ► Yeah, I like that though. See, this is it, right? Like the three of us, like the perfect

00:26:36 ◼   ► use case here. We all just like the images differently. I mean, I like the saturated,

00:26:41 ◼   ► I like colors to be more saturated in images. I don't know why, it's just a thing that

00:26:45 ◼   ► I like. And I guess that's what it is now, right? But we can see that all of these are

00:26:50 ◼   ► really great photos but they have differences to them which you can like or don't like and

00:26:56 ◼   ► I think it's good that we're at that point because now you know as Stephen said there was a time

00:27:00 ◼   ► maybe a few years ago where you had to kind of get used to the fact that if you were using Android

00:27:05 ◼   ► either the camera wasn't going to be good or the software wasn't going to be good that drove the

00:27:08 ◼   ► camera but now it doesn't really feel like that's so much of a problem anymore in the leading

00:27:13 ◼   ► Android phones. Especially if you listen to DxOMark, right?

00:27:16 ◼   ► It seems, you know, all in all this is a really good device. Mine, I think, will be here within

00:27:24 ◼   ► the next week or two. I am very excited because this looks like a great phone. You know, the other

00:27:28 ◼   ► things that people focus on are stuff we already know about, like the assistant. It looks better

00:27:33 ◼   ► than Siri but still not great, right? It can do things, it understands context more, but it still

00:27:39 ◼   ► falls down I want to put it through its paces myself like even today like you

00:27:45 ◼   ► know with these assistant things I could have thrown my echo out the window today

00:27:48 ◼   ► all I wanted it to do was to play Kings of Leon's new album and I just didn't

00:27:53 ◼   ► matter what I said it couldn't do it they understood the question but just

00:27:56 ◼   ► couldn't produce the answer even with Spotify plugged in yeah I'm you use

00:28:01 ◼   ► Spotify I don't know what the problem is right and I don't know if it's an issue

00:28:05 ◼   ► that the the album has a track by the same name on it I'm sure this is very

00:28:09 ◼   ► very common but I was asking it in many different ways play the new album by

00:28:14 ◼   ► Kings of Leon nothing play the walls album by Kings of Leon and it would

00:28:17 ◼   ► either just play this song called walls or it would just start playing random

00:28:22 ◼   ► Kings of Leon songs I think I asked it about seven times like these things you

00:28:27 ◼   ► know you just gotta live them so there we go I'm looking forward to getting my

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00:31:01 ◼   ► All right, Federico, I can't remember where this came up.

00:31:06 ◼   ► I mean, you were talking a couple of days ago, and you mentioned to me that you were

00:31:09 ◼   ► going to get a new Chromecast.

00:31:13 ◼   ► I didn't know that you had one of these things.

00:31:15 ◼   ► I didn't know that you used it.

00:31:17 ◼   ► So you have an Apple TV.

00:31:19 ◼   ► I do.

00:31:20 ◼   ► Why do you use the Chromecast?

00:31:21 ◼   ► Like, what do you like about the Chromecast?

00:31:23 ◼   ► Well, there's a bunch of reasons.

00:31:27 ◼   ► And I think I've been thinking about this and I believe I got to the basic reason.

00:31:33 ◼   ► So there's a few aspects that I like.

00:31:36 ◼   ► The setup is extremely simple.

00:31:39 ◼   ► You just log in with your Google account and that's it.

00:31:42 ◼   ► And if you're already signed into your Google account with Google's other iOS apps, whether

00:31:47 ◼   ► it's Inbox or Google Calendar or whatever, it just picks up one of those accounts and

00:31:51 ◼   ► just tap it and you're good to go.

00:31:53 ◼   ► It does an initial setup, a bunch of updates and it's done.

00:31:56 ◼   ► There's no like complicated backups, restores, whatever.

00:32:01 ◼   ► It's all done with the Google account.

00:32:03 ◼   ► The killer aspect for me is the YouTube integration in the YouTube app.

00:32:08 ◼   ► So whenever I use YouTube a lot and I think it's the YouTube is the TV channel that I

00:32:15 ◼   ► watch the most with my girlfriend.

00:32:17 ◼   ► Like we're constantly watching YouTube videos and I mean including your channel Myke.

00:32:22 ◼   ► So having a Chromecast icon in the YouTube app with one tap, literally one tap, it goes

00:32:29 ◼   ► off to my big TV, that's awesome.

00:32:31 ◼   ► And it's something that I could do with YouTube clients and AirPlay, but I don't want to do

00:32:36 ◼   ► that.

00:32:37 ◼   ► It's just simpler to use a Chromecast.

00:32:39 ◼   ► And of course, Chromecast as a protocol is integrated in many apps.

00:32:44 ◼   ► It's in YouTube, it's in Infuse, which is a video player app, which is awesome for iOS.

00:32:51 ◼   ► it plays literally any format. It's integrated with the Synology apps, it's basically

00:32:56 ◼   ► in Plex, I mean it's become standard at this point. And in my experience, Chromecast

00:33:03 ◼   ► streaming has been much more reliable, faster, intuitive than using Airplay on iOS. I know

00:33:13 ◼   ► that it comes with different trade-offs, such as you cannot have Chromecast controls in

00:33:17 ◼   ► control center, but I would take that over instability and slowdowns or loading spinners,

00:33:26 ◼   ► which were a constant problem on the Apple TV with AirPlay from iOS.

00:33:31 ◼   ► And then I would say, it's just easier to use.

00:33:37 ◼   ► I don't know, there's a lot of aspects, a lot of details, but I feel like even the hardware,

00:33:42 ◼   ► it's just an HDMI dongle that you put into the TV.

00:33:46 ◼   ► In fact, I don't even keep it plugged in all the time, just when I need it I pop it in

00:33:50 ◼   ► and...

00:33:51 ◼   ► I mean, it goes on like it's plugged into the TV for weeks, and then other times I just

00:33:55 ◼   ► remove it because maybe I need to connect my Wii U, and then it's, you know, when I

00:33:59 ◼   ► need it again I just plug it in again.

00:34:01 ◼   ► And it's super simple.

00:34:03 ◼   ► And I think the basic reason is, when I want to watch something on the TV, I want to have

00:34:11 ◼   ► an experience where I just turn it on and watch.

00:34:15 ◼   ► And I feel like with the Apple TV, whether it's an AirPlay problem or the design of

00:34:21 ◼   ► TV OS itself, which is very app-centric, it's very modeled towards the iPhone where you

00:34:28 ◼   ► browse apps, I don't want to do that.

00:34:30 ◼   ► I just want to turn something on and watch.

00:34:32 ◼   ► And I feel like the Chromecast with a single button with no instability, with no glitches,

00:34:37 ◼   ► it just works for me.

00:34:39 ◼   ► And so last week I was wondering, you know, I have this new Wi-Fi router that I got a

00:34:45 ◼   ► a few months ago and I never actually upgraded my Chromecast to use the Wi-Fi AC speeds.

00:34:51 ◼   ► So I went to the nearby electronics store and got a Chromecast 2, I guess. It's one

00:34:56 ◼   ► of the round-shaped ones. And so I just swapped the old one and put in the second one and

00:35:02 ◼   ► it works. I mean, it took like five minutes. And I'm a really happy Chromecast user. So

00:35:09 ◼   ► that's it, yeah.

00:35:11 ◼   ► So I want to double check something. The way that you watch something on Chromecast is

00:35:14 ◼   ► by activating it on your phone, right?

00:35:16 ◼   ► Yes.

00:35:17 ◼   ► Like there's no interface.

00:35:18 ◼   ► The Chromecast has no interface.

00:35:19 ◼   ► No, like it shows you a photo slideshow as a lock screen.

00:35:23 ◼   ► Right.

00:35:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:24 ◼   ► And what it does is it's not actually--

00:35:27 ◼   ► because the problems of AirPlay is the phone

00:35:31 ◼   ► is streaming to the device, right?

00:35:32 ◼   ► Yes.

00:35:33 ◼   ► And that can be problematic in some instances.

00:35:35 ◼   ► It can be fine in others.

00:35:36 ◼   ► Yeah, it takes over the entire iOS experience.

00:35:39 ◼   ► Also, this is a very good point.

00:35:41 ◼   ► because when I start streaming with the Chromecast, the video or audio player UI doesn't take

00:35:48 ◼   ► over my iPhone or my iPad. I can do something else. Whereas when I stream with AirPlay,

00:35:53 ◼   ► because of iOS own limitations with the audio/video framework, there's no simultaneous streaming

00:36:00 ◼   ► of multiple channels. So if you decide to watch a video while it goes in full screen

00:36:04 ◼   ► and you cannot also listen to music or have a phone call, for example, instead the Chromecast

00:36:09 ◼   ► is its own self-contained streaming architecture, so it does its thing and you can just keep

00:36:16 ◼   ► using the iPhone as you do for, you know, normally. It's kind of similar to the Sonos,

00:36:21 ◼   ► which is, it's not AirPlay, it's a custom protocol, you can do something else with your

00:36:25 ◼   ► iPhone while you're also streaming to the Sonos.

00:36:28 ◼   ► Because for people that don't know, the technical thing is, it's actually, nothing's happening

00:36:35 ◼   ► from the phone to the device.

00:36:38 ◼   ► Like the phone triggers the device to go out to the web and grab the link.

00:36:42 ◼   ► Yeah. Right. Yeah.

00:36:43 ◼   ► That's that's the difference.

00:36:44 ◼   ► And so it is interesting.

00:36:46 ◼   ► I mean, it's interesting to me that you prefer this to the just the Apple TV in general.

00:36:51 ◼   ► But I guess it's the idea of like, oh, I found this thing.

00:36:54 ◼   ► I want to watch it.

00:36:55 ◼   ► OK, so now let me open the YouTube app.

00:36:58 ◼   ► Oh, the YouTube app hasn't refreshed.

00:37:00 ◼   ► Let me quit the YouTube app, refresh the YouTube app.

00:37:02 ◼   ► and now I can watch it as opposed to like press the button and now it's on my TV. I

00:37:07 ◼   ► can see that but I guess the problem that you would have though is I expect that there

00:37:12 ◼   ► are less Chromecast integrated applications than there are media apps on the Apple TV.

00:37:18 ◼   ► No, I don't think so. But what about like Netflix? Has that got the Chromecast thing

00:37:22 ◼   ► in it? Yeah, I don't know because I don't usually. Okay. I think it does. I think it

00:37:28 ◼   ► does it surprisingly integrated, like in a lot of apps. And this was very surprising

00:37:34 ◼   ► to me last year when I first got the Chromecast. But it's like, it's a thing among developers

00:37:38 ◼   ► to support both Airplay and Chromecast at this point. And honestly, I feel like the

00:37:43 ◼   ► Apple TV just feels clunky to me, whether it's the App Store or iCloud or, you know,

00:37:50 ◼   ► browsing apps. There's something to it, or maybe it's multiple little issues that add

00:37:56 ◼   ► app and the entire thing feels just slow and like it's it feels like a big iPhone

00:38:03 ◼   ► on the TV screen whereas I think the experience on the TV screen should be

00:38:09 ◼   ► optimized for "let me help you watch something quickly". Instead what I

00:38:16 ◼   ► see on the Apple TV is an overbearing interface that slows me down well here's

00:38:20 ◼   ► an app update, here's the App Store, oh by the way you need to sign up with iCloud

00:38:25 ◼   ► You know, it's a bunch of things that slow me down instead of the Chromecast.

00:38:28 ◼   ► It's just like, well, tap a button and there you go.

00:38:31 ◼   ► And I prefer that.

00:38:33 ◼   ► I mean, it sounds like a good experience, but like, I will just say, like, I love my Apple TV.

00:38:39 ◼   ► Like, I don't have the...

00:38:40 ◼   ► I don't think I have too much of the workflow that you do.

00:38:44 ◼   ► Like, when I'm sitting down to watch something on the TV, it's with intention.

00:38:48 ◼   ► So like, I don't see something on my phone and be like, I need to go put that on the TV.

00:38:53 ◼   ► let me press the Chrome com- you know, the AirPlay button. I've never used AirPlay, like I- that's

00:38:58 ◼   ► just not my style, like my way of doing it would be to then pick up the Apple TV remote, press it,

00:39:03 ◼   ► and then open the app and select the content. And that works for me, and as I said before,

00:39:08 ◼   ► like I really like the Apple TV. It has its problems, but overall I think it's a great device,

00:39:13 ◼   ► you know, and it's got everything on it that I need. I can understand the appeal of something

00:39:17 ◼   ► like the Chromecast, but with where I am right now, like, it sounds, this sounds very cool,

00:39:24 ◼   ► but it's not enough for me to be like, "Well, I'm going to ditch my Apple TV now," because

00:39:27 ◼   ► I like my Apple TV a lot, you know?

00:39:28 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, the Apple TV, as, you know, if you're the kind

00:39:33 ◼   ► of person who prefers that kind of intentional experience of, "I sit down, I browse apps,

00:39:38 ◼   ► I choose what I want to watch," like, that makes total sense. But I feel like what I'm

00:39:43 ◼   ► What I'm doing is, it's more of a spur of the moment kind of thing.

00:39:47 ◼   ► Like I find the YouTube video that I want my girlfriend to watch with me, I'm like,

00:39:51 ◼   ► "Hey, let's check out this YouTube video."

00:39:53 ◼   ► But instead of watching on the tiny iPhone screen, it just goes off to the TV.

00:39:57 ◼   ► And same goes for like TV show episodes.

00:39:59 ◼   ► Sometimes we want to watch one episode before sleep, other times we don't.

00:40:03 ◼   ► So on those occasions, I'm like, "Yeah, let's just watch one for 20 minutes."

00:40:07 ◼   ► And I just feel like opening Infuse and then tapping a button, it's easier than doing the

00:40:12 ◼   ► whole dance with the Apple TV.

00:40:15 ◼   ► One thing that I think something like Chromecast has in its favor over AirPlay is the ability

00:40:22 ◼   ► to do multiple things like just last night I wanted to AirPlay something from my iPad

00:40:28 ◼   ► to the Apple TV but I was still using the iPad while the video was on the television

00:40:34 ◼   ► and so you know I the video I was watching was in Safari, AirPlay to the Apple TV, closed

00:40:39 ◼   ► far open tweet bot and someone had sent me something in a tweet that I wanted to

00:40:44 ◼   ► see and of course I tapped it not remembering that I was hooked up to

00:40:49 ◼   ► airplay and what I tapped started playing like overrode what was being

00:40:53 ◼   ► sent to the Apple TV and started playing it there as opposed to playing it on the

00:40:58 ◼   ► iPad and it's it's actually a little embarrassing how often I do this where

00:41:03 ◼   ► I'm air playing something from the iPad or the iPhone and then I'm still doing

00:41:07 ◼   ► doing something else, and it kind of breaks that second screen experience where, if I

00:41:12 ◼   ► understand correctly, if you're doing something on Chromecast, you can play something else

00:41:18 ◼   ► on the phone locally, right, because the Chromecast is pulling down the feed.

00:41:22 ◼   ► Is that...

00:41:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:24 ◼   ► And so that's like, it's a little thing, and I do wonder if it's like only, I'm

00:41:27 ◼   ► the only person who runs into this, or I just, you know, forget it all the time.

00:41:31 ◼   ► But it's definitely annoying, it's like I was watching something that my kids wanted

00:41:35 ◼   ► to watch and then I hit something and tweetbot and then like overrides the video and suddenly

00:41:39 ◼   ► have like a family situation. So I wish AirPlay would be a little bit smarter about that sort

00:41:46 ◼   ► of thing to saying I am pulling my feed from Safari and don't change that until you know

00:41:55 ◼   ► the user goes in and says stop AirPlaying from Safari and I get what they're trying

00:41:59 ◼   ► to do they're trying to make it really easy if I just want to change what I'm AirPlaying

00:42:04 ◼   ► But I definitely run into that on a fairly regular basis where I just kind of forget

00:42:09 ◼   ► how it all works.

00:42:11 ◼   ► And that can be a little frustrating.

00:42:14 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:42:15 ◼   ► I said this is why I never use it.

00:42:18 ◼   ► Like plus with my dodgy internet connection here.

00:42:21 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know if this is if it's because of that I have a bad router or whatever.

00:42:25 ◼   ► When I tried to use Airplay one time to stream something from my Mac to my Apple TV, it was

00:42:30 ◼   ► a nightmare.

00:42:31 ◼   ► Yes, I ended up just grabbing a HDMI cable and just plugging my MacBook into the TV because

00:42:36 ◼   ► it was just way more reliable. Airplay is just not really something that I even think

00:42:41 ◼   ► about using very much. So I never run into these issues just because it's one of those

00:42:45 ◼   ► things where I've used it a couple of times, didn't like it and never come back to it.

00:42:49 ◼   ► But the Apple TV is a device that I use multiple times a day every single day. And I'm happy

00:42:54 ◼   ► with it. But I'm pleased that Chromecast is as good as it is. You know, with the type

00:42:58 ◼   ► of stuff that I watch on my Apple TV, the Chromecast would probably be a great solution

00:43:02 ◼   ► because it's basically just YouTube videos and Netflix and Chromecast integrates with

00:43:07 ◼   ► both of those. So it would probably do a really good job for me, as probably would the Amazon

00:43:12 ◼   ► Fire TV stick thing.

00:43:13 ◼   ► Oh yeah, I've been curious about that actually. I know that Dan Moran is a big fan of…

00:43:19 ◼   ► Dan Moran loves anything Amazon.

00:43:23 ◼   ► Or Xbox.

00:43:24 ◼   ► That's true. Yeah, should check it out. Actually, I don't know if I can buy... You cannot buy

00:43:31 ◼   ► anything on Amazon besides the Kindle in Italy. I feel like they totally forgot that this

00:43:36 ◼   ► country exists when it comes to Fire TV or Alexa or like... Just read. Maybe they think

00:43:42 ◼   ► Italians are illiterate. I don't know. But we can just buy Kindles.

00:43:47 ◼   ► That's a shame. We had that for a long time.

00:43:50 ◼   ► Well, really. When I can buy Fire tablet at 60 euros on Amazon, I can buy the Kindle Paperwhite.

00:43:59 ◼   ► Let's see, if I search for Fire TV on Amazon Italy, yeah, no Fire TV.

00:44:06 ◼   ► It was like when I would search for the Echo and just get like books about the Echo or

00:44:09 ◼   ► cases for the Echo.

00:44:11 ◼   ► There's actually like fake TV boxes, like the Como. Oh, no, this is an Amazon Fire TV

00:44:18 ◼   ► cover. Nice. There's a castle cue box. It's like fake Chinese Android things.

00:44:26 ◼   ► Please buy that. You should get that one. Do it right now.

00:44:29 ◼   ► No, no, no. I'm not going to do that. No, it's your turn to spend money on the

00:44:31 ◼   ► show. Myke did it, then I did it. It's your turn.

00:44:33 ◼   ► This is a really bad thing for us to choose to make him spend his money on though, you

00:44:37 ◼   ► know. I know. But humorous. Should we move on?

00:44:42 ◼   ► So Federico came to us with a question for topic number three and his question

00:44:48 ◼   ► was what is the last iOS app that genuinely impressed you?

00:44:52 ◼   ► Yeah because I feel like there was the golden age of apps for the iPhone

00:44:59 ◼   ► than the iPad and it felt like there was always some kind of gem coming out from

00:45:06 ◼   ► someone in the, especially in the indie community and I feel like over time

00:45:09 ◼   ► time, whether it's because we moved to web services maybe more than native apps and clients,

00:45:15 ◼   ► or maybe just a general lack of curiosity, if you will, or maybe just the fact that apps

00:45:21 ◼   ► have become normal, I feel like there's not that much excitement anymore. So I wanted

00:45:27 ◼   ► to see if maybe there's still something else occasionally that draws our attention. And

00:45:32 ◼   ► for me, that kind of app has been TimePage. TimePage is a calendar client by Malus King.

00:45:37 ◼   ► know they make actual like little agendas and what's the proper name?

00:45:42 ◼   ► Notebooks.

00:45:43 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:45:44 ◼   ► They make notebooks.

00:45:45 ◼   ► Yes, yes, you are the pen guy so you know.

00:45:48 ◼   ► So Timepage is a calendar client for the iPhone and it came out on the iPad as well last week

00:45:54 ◼   ► and it's by far and I mean I try a lot of apps but it's by far one of maybe the best

00:46:00 ◼   ► looking app I've seen on the iPhone and now the iPad in years.

00:46:04 ◼   ► Every time I hear you mention this app, I'm like, "I should check it out."

00:46:08 ◼   ► And I just never do, so I am downloading it right now.

00:46:12 ◼   ► The use of typography, the multiple colors, there's multiple themes you can choose from,

00:46:16 ◼   ► and each one of them has been, I feel like it has been thoughtfully chosen by the developers.

00:46:22 ◼   ► And the animations are even better than the visuals, the static graphics alone.

00:46:29 ◼   ► The animation work that went into Time Page is impressive.

00:46:34 ◼   ► It's not the kind of app with a lot of fancy and showy and slow animations.

00:46:40 ◼   ► Each one of them feels like it has a purpose, and there's lots of them, but done in very

00:46:47 ◼   ► tasteful ways.

00:46:49 ◼   ► And they don't overcomplicate the UI, they don't slow you down, both from a static perspective

00:46:57 ◼   ► and from a motion perspective, Time Page is absolutely delightful. The best app I've

00:47:06 ◼   ► seen in a while on iOS. And I was surprised that it actually didn't win any Apple Design

00:47:12 ◼   ► Awards last year at WWDC. Because it totally feels like one of those new apps that Apple

00:47:18 ◼   ► should celebrate that are still coming out on iOS. And from a functionality perspective

00:47:23 ◼   ► event. It's a calendar client, so it works with any calendar that you have configured

00:47:28 ◼   ► on your iOS device. And it also has all of these different little additions, like you

00:47:34 ◼   ► can check the weather for events that you have in your calendar, you can check a forecast

00:47:40 ◼   ► for a location, you can change different transportation methods, and even the way that the calendars

00:47:49 ◼   ► are not exactly one of the most exciting areas when it comes to design. There's not a lot

00:47:57 ◼   ► of innovation happening when it comes to displaying Wakes on a calendar, but I feel like TimePage

00:48:02 ◼   ► has a bunch of little interactions that sort of bring a breath of fresh air into this space,

00:48:09 ◼   ► whether it's the way that you choose which calendars you want to display on the month

00:48:14 ◼   ► view, like you can tap and hold, calendars are displayed in a sidebar on the left side,

00:48:21 ◼   ► and you can tap and hold them, and as you move your finger horizontally, the month view

00:48:26 ◼   ► of the calendar gets different colored indicators on different days if you have an event that

00:48:33 ◼   ► belongs to that calendar. It's hard to describe when talking about it, but trying it, it makes

00:48:40 ◼   ► total sense. And Time page is full of this kind of subtle yet useful additions. They

00:48:48 ◼   ► look great. And again, I totally believe that Apple should give an Apple Design Award to

00:48:53 ◼   ► this app next year, WWDC. It's on the iPhone. Now it's on the iPad. It's on the Apple

00:48:58 ◼   ► Watch. They support complications, watchOS 3, notifications, all the great things that

00:49:04 ◼   ► you can have on iOS 10. I'm pretty sure they don't have an iMessage app yet. I wouldn't

00:49:09 ◼   ► be surprised if they're working on one. So, you know, I used to be surprised, especially

00:49:17 ◼   ► when I started my stories, I used to be surprised by a new app on a weekly basis. And then over

00:49:22 ◼   ► time, that sort of app excitement kind of died down a little. And then we've been,

00:49:30 ◼   ► I mean, especially for the past couple of years, we've seen, you know, major app updates,

00:49:36 ◼   ► sequels, but not exactly a lot of innovations. And Time Page feels new. And, you know, props

00:49:43 ◼   ► to Moleskine for, you know, being one of the few developers that are still making great

00:49:48 ◼   ► native iOS apps for the iPhone, for the iPad, for the Apple Watch. It's not on the Apple

00:49:53 ◼   ► TV, so I'm sorry, Myke. You won't be able to check the calendar there. But go check

00:49:58 ◼   ► it out. It's beautiful and it's very cool.

00:50:02 ◼   ► The setup is incredible.

00:50:05 ◼   ► This is an amazing app.

00:50:07 ◼   ► I have a question for you though.

00:50:09 ◼   ► Is this your calendar app?

00:50:12 ◼   ► Now that there's an iPad version, it came out last weekend on Friday, so I bought it

00:50:16 ◼   ► right away.

00:50:17 ◼   ► I wasn't on the beta, so I couldn't know what it was going to be like.

00:50:22 ◼   ► I think it will be.

00:50:24 ◼   ► I need to test it properly in the next few weeks, but I think now that it's on the iPhone,

00:50:30 ◼   ► watch an iPad, I think it has a good chance of becoming the default. I like, as I wrote

00:50:38 ◼   ► in my iostan review, I like what Apple is doing with the calendar on iOS 10, with the

00:50:43 ◼   ► automatic suggestions for event creation and search, that kind of stuff. I also like, despite

00:50:51 ◼   ► the awful home screen text label and the fact that it lacks an iPad version, I like the

00:50:58 ◼   ► the Google Calendar app for the iPhone because it's very smart in helping you create new

00:51:04 ◼   ► events based on your history. But it's only on the iPhone. So I think Time Page has a

00:51:12 ◼   ► good chance of becoming my default, but I gotta sit down and run a comparison between

00:51:17 ◼   ► Apple Calendar, Google Calendar, and Time Page. But my first impression is that it's

00:51:22 ◼   ► going to go on my home screen, but maybe we can follow up on this in a couple of weeks.

00:51:29 ◼   ► So, I'll flat out agree with you in that this is one of the most beautiful apps that

00:51:34 ◼   ► I've seen in a long time, but I couldn't make this my kind of the rap because it doesn't

00:51:38 ◼   ► have natural language.

00:51:39 ◼   ► Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't.

00:51:41 ◼   ► Like that's, for me, that is just like a, that is a total deal breaker we can understand.

00:51:45 ◼   ► Like FantasticOwl has locked me into this system of just typing my events in. Like,

00:51:51 ◼   ► As well, there's been an update recently and I hadn't tried this for a long time.

00:51:57 ◼   ► Fantastic Hours had timezone support for event entering for a while, but you'd have to use

00:52:00 ◼   ► the timezone code.

00:52:02 ◼   ► So for example, you would have to type in 10 a.m. EST for Eastern Time.

00:52:07 ◼   ► They made a change recently.

00:52:08 ◼   ► You can just type in 10 Eastern and it knows what you mean.

00:52:11 ◼   ► And like, I cannot live without that.

00:52:14 ◼   ► Like I need that.

00:52:16 ◼   ► Because it's not even so much of just like the, "Oh, a lunch at 12 o'clock in my own

00:52:20 ◼   ► I can't enter that in myself. It is the case of like somebody says to me, "Oh, let's meet

00:52:25 ◼   ► at two o'clock Eastern Time." And I just type that into my calendar app and it knows what

00:52:30 ◼   ► I mean. That is something I can't live without now.

00:52:33 ◼   ► So once Time Page gets natural language, maybe you can switch to it.

00:52:39 ◼   ► I would because it's gorgeous. Like this app, I've only been playing around with it for

00:52:44 ◼   ► like two minutes and I am blown away by its design. But that it's missing an incredibly

00:52:50 ◼   ► key thing for me now. It's like an email app without notifications.

00:52:55 ◼   ► It's losing. Well, that's not a thing for me anymore,

00:52:58 ◼   ► but like, you know, like if an email app had no notifications and there have been some

00:53:03 ◼   ► like that, like how can I do it? Or if an email app isn't on all platforms, it's like

00:53:06 ◼   ► well I can't use this. Yeah, yeah, I mean I get it. Especially if

00:53:09 ◼   ► you add a lot of events for different time zones, this is totally not for you. Yeah.

00:53:15 ◼   ► But it does look really great. My app pic is super boring and it's not really

00:53:20 ◼   ► applicable for a bunch of people. And it's the YouTube Studio app.

00:53:26 ◼   ► Tell us what's good about it. Before I do, I'll say, I'll echo your thoughts

00:53:30 ◼   ► in that it's difficult for me to pick out an app like this now because so many of the

00:53:36 ◼   ► apps that I use, I have not changed. Like the really important stuff. So like the calendar

00:53:41 ◼   ► thing, like I'm not going to change because FantasticAO is exactly what I'm looking for.

00:53:44 ◼   ► is an incredible app but I'm used to it. I don't think that there are as many

00:53:49 ◼   ► breakout amazing successes anymore because a lot of it is quite mature, you

00:53:56 ◼   ► know, so I think that a lot of like the really impressive amazingly

00:54:01 ◼   ► done ideas have already been done and now a lot of apps that come out kind of

00:54:04 ◼   ► follow along that and we expect more from them, you know, so I think that's why

00:54:08 ◼   ► we're in a kind of probably like the Silver Age, you know, like you said you

00:54:12 ◼   ► in the golden age, we had that ring like the silver age now it's more mature and things

00:54:16 ◼   ► are kind of like expected at a higher level. But the reason I like the YouTube studio app

00:54:21 ◼   ► is because it's incredibly well organized. Like Google or YouTube have found a way to

00:54:27 ◼   ► kind of distill their incredible amount of analytics down into a good application. I

00:54:31 ◼   ► find the analytics much easier to understand and go through than what's on the web. So

00:54:37 ◼   ► like my views and subscribers and stuff like that. I like that also I have the ability

00:54:41 ◼   ► to just have all of the comments that I get in like a long list and I can reply to them

00:54:46 ◼   ► and respond to them right there. And you can also make some basic changes to metadata and

00:54:51 ◼   ► stuff like that to your videos. I think it works. It works really well for me. It does

00:54:55 ◼   ► the job that I need it to do, which is to have access to all of this stuff on the go.

00:55:00 ◼   ► And as with all Google apps, it has really great kind of account switching support. So

00:55:06 ◼   ► I'm able to flip over to the Cortex channel super easily without needing to put passwords

00:55:11 ◼   ► in every single time they're always just there because I authenticated them once in a Google

00:55:15 ◼   ► app which is something you mentioned with the Chromecast stuff. I love that. I love

00:55:18 ◼   ► like the Google apps and the Facebook apps and stuff like that where they just know who

00:55:22 ◼   ► you are so you don't have to keep entering your information over and over again. But

00:55:25 ◼   ► yeah I think that it's a really great design app and I know it's super boring for everybody

00:55:29 ◼   ► so I'll kind of give a quick shout out to an iMessage application that I like which

00:55:33 ◼   ► is Game Pigeon. I love Game Pigeon. Basically it's just me and Steven just play the 8 Ball

00:55:40 ◼   ► in messages like they have an eight ball game which is super fun and every now and then

00:55:43 ◼   ► I'll get a message from Steven and it's like it's your turn and I'm like yeah so that's

00:55:48 ◼   ► a great app. Game Pigeon has a bunch of games in it but I've not played any of them other

00:55:54 ◼   ► than eight ball but it is a really great it's like it's a really really great application

00:55:59 ◼   ► so I like that one a lot so there's another one that's fun because it does it in a really

00:56:04 ◼   ► fun and cool way to make the games work and one thing that I really like is it automatically

00:56:10 ◼   ► sends the message that you don't have to keep tapping to send and stuff like that.

00:56:13 ◼   ► It's really well done.

00:56:14 ◼   ► So I am going to pick... it's an app that's been out for a little while, but I have started

00:56:19 ◼   ► using it more, and it's TalkShow.

00:56:23 ◼   ► And it doesn't really genuinely impress me as an app itself.

00:56:28 ◼   ► In fact, the app is a little buggy in places and was kind of super broken on the iPad for

00:56:33 ◼   ► a while.

00:56:35 ◼   ► But what it does is pretty neat.

00:56:39 ◼   ► So if you've ever followed along,

00:56:40 ◼   ► if we're covering an Apple event or a Google event live,

00:56:44 ◼   ► we're now doing that in Talk Show more and more.

00:56:46 ◼   ► And it's sort of a cross between tweeting and like,

00:56:50 ◼   ► they call it public textings.

00:56:52 ◼   ► I don't really agree with that description.

00:56:54 ◼   ► I think it's kind of like a micro Twitter in a way

00:56:57 ◼   ► where you can just spin up a room

00:56:58 ◼   ► and you can subscribe to your room

00:57:00 ◼   ► and then any of the hosts can add text or links to that room

00:57:04 ◼   ► and so if the three of us are covering an event,

00:57:08 ◼   ► can come in and join the room and read what we are writing about it in real

00:57:13 ◼   ► time and people can submit questions and there's polls now like all sorts of fun

00:57:18 ◼   ► stuff. It's just a nice way to do coverage of an event that's not like out

00:57:24 ◼   ► on Twitter for all of our followers to see like it's a little more condensed

00:57:30 ◼   ► and a little more like purpose-built. It's kind of walled off. Yeah. Right so

00:57:37 ◼   ► you don't need to spam your Twitter feed.

00:57:40 ◼   ► - Right.

00:57:40 ◼   ► It's been a lot of fun.

00:57:43 ◼   ► We've been doing them a lot with Jason

00:57:45 ◼   ► and some other people.

00:57:47 ◼   ► Like I said, it doesn't really fit the criteria

00:57:49 ◼   ► of well polished, beautiful app.

00:57:51 ◼   ► It's very utilitarian, but what it allows

00:57:55 ◼   ► and this type of creation you can do within it

00:57:57 ◼   ► is really fun and interesting to be a part of.

00:58:00 ◼   ► I think that that is the first pick I would make.

00:58:04 ◼   ► The other way I would bring up--

00:58:06 ◼   ► I would say, just if I could add one thing to Talk Show, I really like recently that

00:58:10 ◼   ► they added the ability for people to ask questions to the hosts.

00:58:15 ◼   ► That's a really great feature, like the Q&A feature.

00:58:17 ◼   ► I think that's really good.

00:58:18 ◼   ► So whenever we do those kind of live blogs, basically, people can ask questions and you

00:58:25 ◼   ► can accept the questions and that works out really well.

00:58:28 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it's really...

00:58:30 ◼   ► It makes it more interactive as opposed to just like a one-way thing.

00:58:38 ◼   ► The other thing that I would bring up, and it kind of actually breaks the idea of the

00:58:42 ◼   ► question because it is a sequel, but earlier this year, Day One got updated to version

00:58:49 ◼   ► two.

00:58:50 ◼   ► And Day One is an app that we've talked about before.

00:58:52 ◼   ► I use it heavily really to keep like a photo diary of family stuff.

00:58:57 ◼   ► So I can go in and see pictures from years and years ago

00:59:00 ◼   ► of my kids doing stuff, or the time we went out of town,

00:59:04 ◼   ► or I write in there and I do some stuff

00:59:06 ◼   ► that Myke, you've talked about of like,

00:59:08 ◼   ► if I have a thing,

00:59:10 ◼   ► like when that YouTube video hit a million views,

00:59:13 ◼   ► like screenshot of that.

00:59:15 ◼   ► Sort of way to build memories against a timeline

00:59:21 ◼   ► is really fun.

00:59:23 ◼   ► And day one, version two added a bunch of stuff.

00:59:26 ◼   ► one of my favorite things is it's very much like time hop so if you open up day

00:59:31 ◼   ► one so I got my phone here and open day one and it says right at the top you

00:59:37 ◼   ► have six entries on this day in history and so I can look back and I can see one

00:59:42 ◼   ► year ago two years ago three years ago entries around this date and you know

00:59:52 ◼   ► some of the photo management services have done that you can actually do it in

00:59:55 ◼   ► photos if you force touch on the icon there's a one year ago shortcut you can

01:00:02 ◼   ► also search and I just I love that as a simple way to kind of look back and

01:00:09 ◼   ► remember a little story or a little a little happening in life that you forget

01:00:15 ◼   ► about. As if for me especially as a parent like day one continues to be on

01:00:19 ◼   ► my home screen on my iPhone and my iPad. It's in the dock on my Mac. It is an app that I

01:00:26 ◼   ► absolutely spend time in and truly love. And the new version, even though it's an update

01:00:33 ◼   ► of the original, is something that I really have a lot of enjoyment and a lot of attachment

01:00:40 ◼   ► to this app.

01:00:41 ◼   ► So I think that's it, right? If we picked all of our delightful apps, that's a good

01:00:44 ◼   ► idea Federico.

01:00:45 ◼   ► Yeah, I think so. We used to do this a lot a few years ago and I kind of wanted to try

01:00:52 ◼   ► it again and see. Those are good picks indeed, yeah? Thank you guys for being up for it.

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