Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► From Relay FM this is Connected episode

00:00:10 ◼   ► 114. Today's show is brought to you by

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00:00:14 ◼   ► from Smile. My name is Myke Hurley and I

00:00:17 ◼   ► am joined by Mr Federico Vittucci. Ciao

00:00:19 ◼   ► Federico.

00:00:20 ◼   ► Oh hey ciao Myke. And Stephen Hackett it

00:00:22 ◼   ► is your day.

00:00:23 ◼   ► It is your evening. You got the event

00:00:25 ◼   ► that you've always dreamed of.

00:00:26 ◼   ► How was Stephen Hackett?

00:00:28 ◼   ► - That may be going a little far.

00:00:30 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:00:31 ◼   ► - The Macintosh, everybody.

00:00:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, they still make one of 'em.

00:00:35 ◼   ► - At least.

00:00:36 ◼   ► - So, yeah, so we're gonna skip follow-up this week.

00:00:40 ◼   ► As you might imagine, we have a lot to cover,

00:00:42 ◼   ► but it will return next week.

00:00:44 ◼   ► I wanna talk a little bit about the lead-up to this event,

00:00:49 ◼   ► because I think it's interesting to talk about

00:00:51 ◼   ► framing in these things.

00:00:53 ◼   ► So yesterday, or two days ago,

00:00:57 ◼   ► Someone found images in Sierra of what

00:01:01 ◼   ► ended up being the MacBook Pro with the touch bar.

00:01:06 ◼   ► In what seems to be some sort of Apple Pay framework folders--

00:01:10 ◼   ► in my blog post, I actually found where it is

00:01:12 ◼   ► and put the path.

00:01:13 ◼   ► But it shipped in 10.12.1, which is really unfortunate.

00:01:19 ◼   ► Doubling down on secrecy doesn't count

00:01:20 ◼   ► if you're a software developer, I guess.

00:01:22 ◼   ► I mean, clearly an accident.

00:01:23 ◼   ► I feel bad for the person who did this.

00:01:26 ◼   ► and then got fired.

00:01:27 ◼   ► - You know, I've been thinking about that,

00:01:30 ◼   ► and I think that would have happened in old Apple.

00:01:35 ◼   ► Today, I'm not so sure.

00:01:37 ◼   ► I don't know if they would have been canned or not,

00:01:38 ◼   ► but they definitely had a bad day,

00:01:40 ◼   ► regardless of what happened,

00:01:41 ◼   ► but it leaked and they really took some of the edge

00:01:44 ◼   ► out of the surprise, obviously,

00:01:46 ◼   ► but kind of painful when it's in Apple's own software.

00:01:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, it was less than ideal, I think,

00:01:53 ◼   ► especially now, like in hindsight,

00:01:56 ◼   ► It was like, this was the main thing,

00:01:58 ◼   ► pretty much the only thing that was really big today

00:02:02 ◼   ► was this innovation, plus it shows off

00:02:05 ◼   ► a lot of the design functionality and features

00:02:09 ◼   ► of this product and also set the bad tone

00:02:12 ◼   ► of this doesn't have an escape key,

00:02:14 ◼   ► which everybody was really upset about for two days.

00:02:17 ◼   ► And then it's just like everyone going into this

00:02:21 ◼   ► who really cared about the MacBook Pro

00:02:23 ◼   ► had a poorer version of it in their mind.

00:02:26 ◼   ► So this is the problem with all of this stuff,

00:02:30 ◼   ► how the narrative gets twisted.

00:02:32 ◼   ► The MacBook, remember the MacBook with the one port?

00:02:36 ◼   ► We were all hating on it before it even arrived

00:02:39 ◼   ► because we knew it had one port.

00:02:41 ◼   ► I mean, even after the story was told,

00:02:43 ◼   ► there wasn't really a great reason for it.

00:02:44 ◼   ► But there just was nothing that we're able to,

00:02:50 ◼   ► we're all just getting our own minds made up about it before we could even see it

00:02:55 ◼   ► and that kind of happened here. So I can't imagine they're very happy at least.

00:02:58 ◼   ► Yeah but I mean we already knew the touch bar was coming. So I mean yes it was a leak and it's less than intentional

00:03:04 ◼   ► especially when it looks like someone just forgot about a bunch of graphic assets in a folder.

00:03:10 ◼   ► But I don't think it's a big deal. I mean the press knew it was coming. Normal people don't go on to my

00:03:15 ◼   ► go on to my crew and say "oh look they found some images in a folder in the

00:03:20 ◼   ► finder they don't even know what it means" so I mean it was mostly a leak for

00:03:24 ◼   ► people in the know which is us and I don't think it's a big deal. Honestly

00:03:29 ◼   ► sometimes I think Apple doesn't want surprises anymore to the extent of the

00:03:34 ◼   ► kind of features they know the press and the tech nerds are gonna obsess about

00:03:38 ◼   ► like the headphone jack for example obviously it was no you know real leak

00:03:44 ◼   ► when they first, you know, get out to the press. Because I feel like sometimes I

00:03:48 ◼   ► just want to get the most, the aspects that they know people are gonna criticize,

00:03:54 ◼   ► let that sink in for a few days or for the headphone jack a few months and

00:03:59 ◼   ► then do the event as usual and focus on the software, focus on what it means.

00:04:03 ◼   ► That's how I view it.

00:04:06 ◼   ► To your point, the leaked images lack context, right?

00:04:09 ◼   ► That, like the escape key thing, like in the human interface guides that key is

00:04:13 ◼   ► is supposed to be there basically almost all the time.

00:04:16 ◼   ► But without that, without the full knowledge

00:04:19 ◼   ► of what Apple's gonna do, then we all sort of run around

00:04:21 ◼   ► with our hair on fire and we're gonna get to

00:04:24 ◼   ► like actual responses to the thing, but I just,

00:04:27 ◼   ► when I saw that leak and like, yep, sure enough,

00:04:29 ◼   ► it's sitting on my SSD and everyone else's,

00:04:31 ◼   ► it's a real unfortunate event.

00:04:34 ◼   ► - One thing though, like the best kind of way

00:04:38 ◼   ► for something like this to break

00:04:40 ◼   ► is for it to exist on all of our computers.

00:04:42 ◼   ► Right, like it's quite possibly the best way for a product to be leaked accidentally, is

00:04:48 ◼   ► we all have the image if we update it to Sierra.

00:04:51 ◼   ► Right, it's like the best possible way of something leaking out is it's like it's a

00:04:57 ◼   ► Trojan horse.

00:04:58 ◼   ► We all have it.

00:04:59 ◼   ► We all have the leak.

00:05:00 ◼   ► It's just if we found it or not.

00:05:01 ◼   ► It's kind of hilarious.

00:05:02 ◼   ► Right, it's very efficient.

00:05:04 ◼   ► Talking about efficiency, AirPods are not shipping this month and we don't know when

00:05:09 ◼   ► they're going to be shipping now.

00:05:11 ◼   ► Yeah, that was that was weird, right?

00:05:13 ◼   ► I mean because we kind of hoped that there would be an announcement today like they're shipping tomorrow, but nope surprise

00:05:20 ◼   ► We got a statement to TechCrunch and a bunch of other people. They're coming soon now if you go to the website

00:05:26 ◼   ► There's no more late October just coming soon. And I mean, okay, you know

00:05:31 ◼   ► I remember the old Miyamoto quote that a delayed game is eventually good that rushed game is forever bad

00:05:37 ◼   ► and if you apply that line of thinking to the AirPods, I mean, you know, it'll be

00:05:43 ◼   ► better hopefully to have a good product than a rushed one, which happened many

00:05:47 ◼   ► many times with Apple in the past few years, so it's okay if they want to get

00:05:51 ◼   ► it right. It's just the messaging of "we want to remove the headphone jack",

00:05:57 ◼   ► "we want to embrace wireless audio" and then, you know, the AirPods are

00:06:02 ◼   ► not coming. The W1 chip with the Beats rollout has been all kinds of weird like

00:06:08 ◼   ► the the Solo 3 launched early, the other two models were not available until

00:06:13 ◼   ► earlier this week, you still cannot buy the Beats X whatever is the name, so I

00:06:18 ◼   ► feel like they made this big splashy statement about we wanna you know move

00:06:24 ◼   ► to a wireless future but then you know now everything is coming soon and there's

00:06:29 ◼   ► Because if you want to try the W1 experience, you gotta buy the Beats products.

00:06:33 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a shame.

00:06:34 ◼   ► I was excited for them.

00:06:37 ◼   ► And I was, you know, I'm going on a trip this weekend, and I was going to get those or,

00:06:44 ◼   ► you know, because I want Bluetooth headphones now because traveling means I need Bluetooth

00:06:48 ◼   ► because it just won't work for me otherwise.

00:06:50 ◼   ► So now I might end up with the Solo 3s.

00:06:53 ◼   ► I might go make it those, I don't know.

00:06:54 ◼   ► I'm gonna see what's available in the airport this weekend.

00:06:58 ◼   ► It's a shame. Yeah, I mean and the timing does make sense, right?

00:07:01 ◼   ► If they if this event had come and gone with no word and that would be in

00:07:05 ◼   ► The news cycle with all these new machines, but having it the night before everyone kind of understands it. We're all bummed

00:07:12 ◼   ► I'm like you guys like I'm super interested in this product. I was hoping that I could order today or tomorrow

00:07:16 ◼   ► but

00:07:19 ◼   ► Getting it out the night before means that it's not

00:07:21 ◼   ► Caught up in the MacBook cycle and like it's it's a very short cycle

00:07:25 ◼   ► We do it last night and then you know 16 hours later you have an event

00:07:29 ◼   ► Then this just gets swept off the front page of every everyone's Apple blog, so mm-hmm it will

00:07:34 ◼   ► You know they'll show up eventually. I'm hoping that they get them in plenty of time for the holidays

00:07:40 ◼   ► I think this is a sort of thing that like make a great gift for Apple nerds in your life

00:07:44 ◼   ► So hopefully they only need a couple more weeks, and they can get these things shipping all right should we move on to the event?

00:07:50 ◼   ► What event?

00:07:53 ◼   ► I feel like you had that joke, you came up with it like an hour ago.

00:08:01 ◼   ► Just natural, it just came out.

00:08:03 ◼   ► It's just your natural humour and wit.

00:08:05 ◼   ► I guess, yes Myke.

00:08:07 ◼   ► Well there was an event about the Mac, did you see it or did you just, you know.

00:08:11 ◼   ► About the what?

00:08:17 ◼   ► Steven, I would like to apologize on behalf of the continent of Europe for Federico's

00:08:23 ◼   ► behavior.

00:08:24 ◼   ► Yes.

00:08:25 ◼   ► It's, you know, young people and parties and drugs, it's all madness over there.

00:08:29 ◼   ► iPads raining from the skies.

00:08:32 ◼   ► So the event opened with this, what I thought at least, an excellent section on accessibility.

00:08:42 ◼   ► And they showed this video of people interacting with Apple products and then you kind of see

00:08:48 ◼   ► the video itself as meta and that the person actually editing the video is in a wheelchair

00:08:55 ◼   ► and using lots of accessibility options and techniques to edit the video.

00:09:01 ◼   ► And it really reminded me, you guys remember the video a couple of years ago, maybe at

00:09:07 ◼   ► WWDC with the...

00:09:09 ◼   ► It was the blind man who was in the forest, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah. I got the same like warm fuzzy feeling

00:09:17 ◼   ► Watching this video as I did a couple years ago with that one. I thought was a great way to start start off the event

00:09:23 ◼   ► Yeah, there were a lot of things in there that I didn't know

00:09:26 ◼   ► that the products did because I you know, like

00:09:28 ◼   ► The most time that I've ever spent with voiceover was when we were getting the app ready with our stickers

00:09:36 ◼   ► I was working on all of the voiceover names,

00:09:40 ◼   ► which was an interesting experience

00:09:42 ◼   ► as I was trying to get the phone to say things

00:09:45 ◼   ► the way that they should be heard.

00:09:46 ◼   ► Vitici Seal of Quality was a nightmare.

00:09:50 ◼   ► To get it to say Vitici, that was very difficult.

00:09:53 ◼   ► But using that was like, it was really interesting to me

00:09:56 ◼   ► to see like, how the phone feels with that feature enabled.

00:10:01 ◼   ► And something that I had no idea that it did

00:10:04 ◼   ► was giving some kind of prompts with the camera app,

00:10:08 ◼   ► 'cause they showed somebody using it

00:10:10 ◼   ► and it was like focused on small face

00:10:12 ◼   ► and it was like, oh my word, that's amazing.

00:10:15 ◼   ► You know, like it can work that out

00:10:17 ◼   ► and it can give that information.

00:10:19 ◼   ► I thought it was, that was kind of mind blowing.

00:10:21 ◼   ► Like there were all these little things

00:10:22 ◼   ► that I had no idea these products did

00:10:25 ◼   ► because I've never needed them

00:10:27 ◼   ► and I've never tried them out.

00:10:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's really great.

00:10:32 ◼   ► And it was sort of an announcement that

00:10:36 ◼   ► apple.com/accessibility has been greatly overhauled.

00:10:40 ◼   ► This video we're talking about is at the top of the page.

00:10:43 ◼   ► There's a page and section about Switch Control,

00:10:46 ◼   ► which is what you see in those last shots

00:10:49 ◼   ► of the video being edited.

00:10:51 ◼   ► And it's a really nice way that they're breaking down

00:10:55 ◼   ► what they're doing.

00:10:56 ◼   ► And I think a lot of people, including myself,

00:10:58 ◼   ► when I think about Apple and accessibility,

00:10:59 ◼   ► I think about iOS first.

00:11:01 ◼   ► and I think they've made greater strides there.

00:11:04 ◼   ► But highlighting that it's on the Mac as well

00:11:06 ◼   ► and that they care about it across their ecosystem,

00:11:08 ◼   ► like there's even a section in here about HomeKit

00:11:12 ◼   ► and Apple TV and what it can do in the accessibility realm.

00:11:16 ◼   ► It's painting a broader picture than they have in the past

00:11:18 ◼   ► about what they're doing.

00:11:20 ◼   ► And just two big thumbs up from me.

00:11:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, it was a nice thing to do

00:11:25 ◼   ► rather than to wheel out some celebrities instead.

00:11:28 ◼   ► To actually make a meaningful video

00:11:31 ◼   ► which highlights something about the products,

00:11:33 ◼   ► which is important, but not everybody will understand

00:11:35 ◼   ► or know anything about.

00:11:37 ◼   ► So, thumbs up.

00:11:38 ◼   ► - Indeed.

00:11:40 ◼   ► So they then went into sort of like state of the union stuff

00:11:45 ◼   ► which Apple used to do more of

00:11:46 ◼   ► and they haven't done it in recent events.

00:11:48 ◼   ► But talking about the iPhone 7 and the Apple Watch,

00:11:51 ◼   ► got a couple stats, 60% of the iOS install base

00:11:55 ◼   ► is now on iOS 10.

00:11:57 ◼   ► And then we had a section of what I've called in my notes

00:11:59 ◼   ► of Tim shows us his emails.

00:12:02 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:12:03 ◼   ► - This is excruciating to watch.

00:12:06 ◼   ► Just Tim was like, and our customers have emailed

00:12:09 ◼   ► their photos, like this one, and this one,

00:12:13 ◼   ► and this, like why did he keep,

00:12:15 ◼   ► I don't know why he did it.

00:12:17 ◼   ► - Time.

00:12:19 ◼   ► - Also like, don't show us the most beautiful photos

00:12:22 ◼   ► in the world of like people that look like models.

00:12:26 ◼   ► Because I don't believe you.

00:12:28 ◼   ► I don't believe that they were your customers.

00:12:30 ◼   ► They may have well been, but I can't,

00:12:31 ◼   ► I just can't believe it.

00:12:32 ◼   ► Show me, like, I don't know.

00:12:34 ◼   ► Do you know what I mean?

00:12:35 ◼   ► They look exactly like the photos that they show on stage

00:12:38 ◼   ► when they're trying to demo the product.

00:12:40 ◼   ► - There is a little bit of precedent for this.

00:12:46 ◼   ► Back in the day when like iMovie was a big push,

00:12:49 ◼   ► Steve Jobs used to show iMovies that customers had made,

00:12:54 ◼   ► and like there was a line somewhere of like,

00:12:57 ◼   ► I may be such a big hit with customers,

00:12:59 ◼   ► it's so easy to use, they just keep sending us

00:13:00 ◼   ► their home videos, which is even stranger, right?

00:13:03 ◼   ► Like, I could see, like, I took this,

00:13:05 ◼   ► I mean, it's weird, right, and I would never do it,

00:13:06 ◼   ► like, I would never send Tim Cook a picture that I took.

00:13:09 ◼   ► But it's even stranger, like, hey, Tim,

00:13:12 ◼   ► here's, or hey, Steve, here is a movie that I made

00:13:14 ◼   ► of my four-year-old, you know, running in the park,

00:13:17 ◼   ► I really wanted to share it with you,

00:13:18 ◼   ► CEO of a giant corporation.

00:13:20 ◼   ► - It's like, I am very confident that you wanna see this,

00:13:23 ◼   ► so I'm gonna send it to you.

00:13:24 ◼   ► - Well I mean if you work in the marketing department

00:13:27 ◼   ► and you need to buy your devices,

00:13:29 ◼   ► do you count as a customer or as an employee?

00:13:32 ◼   ► - Oh. (laughing)

00:13:34 ◼   ► - I believe him, I believe him that they were,

00:13:36 ◼   ► I mean I take him at his word, but it's--

00:13:38 ◼   ► - I mean it would be silly to lie,

00:13:40 ◼   ► but like I just mean they should,

00:13:41 ◼   ► I don't know, they should look more real.

00:13:43 ◼   ► They should, the focus is--

00:13:45 ◼   ► - No seriously, who are these people who email Tim Cook

00:13:48 ◼   ► about their baby pictures and the dogs and the vacations?

00:13:52 ◼   ► Have either of you ever emailed an Apple executive?

00:13:55 ◼   ► No.

00:13:56 ◼   ► I responded to one, but emailed myself.

00:13:59 ◼   ► Oh, ho, ho, ho, look at me.

00:14:01 ◼   ► What about you, Myke?

00:14:03 ◼   ► That's the truth.

00:14:04 ◼   ► I'm sorry I spoke the truth.

00:14:06 ◼   ► Yeah, sure, yeah, that was the question that Steven asked.

00:14:09 ◼   ► Have any of you emailed an Apple executive after they emailed you first?

00:14:15 ◼   ► Insert humblebrag here.

00:14:16 ◼   ► Other than me replying to Tim sending me his holiday snaps, no, I've never.

00:14:21 ◼   ► (laughter)

00:14:23 ◼   ► Oh my gosh.

00:14:25 ◼   ► They moved on, talk about Apple Pay

00:14:27 ◼   ► and transit and maps in Japan,

00:14:30 ◼   ► which is a big move.

00:14:30 ◼   ► Remember the iPhone 7 has some specific hardware in Japan

00:14:34 ◼   ► to do contactless stuff.

00:14:36 ◼   ► So kind of a check in on that.

00:14:37 ◼   ► - I think it's called Seleka or something.

00:14:39 ◼   ► It's spelt like that.

00:14:40 ◼   ► - Something.

00:14:40 ◼   ► - I'm not 100% sure of the pronunciation.

00:14:43 ◼   ► - Talked about the Apple Watch,

00:14:45 ◼   ► recounted some reviews,

00:14:47 ◼   ► reminded people that the Nike Plus Apple Watch

00:14:50 ◼   ► with its abomination of a watch band

00:14:51 ◼   ► is shipping October 28th.

00:14:53 ◼   ► But I wanted to take a minute and talk about

00:14:57 ◼   ► the Apple Watch Series 1 and Series 2,

00:15:00 ◼   ► at least when I looked the other day,

00:15:02 ◼   ► almost every model is still shipping

00:15:03 ◼   ► like two to three weeks out.

00:15:05 ◼   ► Like they seem to not be shipping at any great volume,

00:15:08 ◼   ► release volume that can keep up with demand.

00:15:10 ◼   ► So you still can't really get your hands

00:15:12 ◼   ► on most Apple Watch models, like if you want one today.

00:15:16 ◼   ► Which they didn't, I mean,

00:15:17 ◼   ► they're not gonna say anything about it.

00:15:19 ◼   ► That didn't even come up on the quarterly call yesterday,

00:15:21 ◼   ► which I thought that it might.

00:15:22 ◼   ► You know, some supply and demand thing there.

00:15:25 ◼   ► But right now, if you want an Apple Watch Series 2,

00:15:28 ◼   ► you can go into a store and they have limited options

00:15:32 ◼   ► in the store, but if you just want to order one online,

00:15:34 ◼   ► you're gonna be waiting for a couple weeks still.

00:15:36 ◼   ► - Good thing? - Still, it's been like

00:15:37 ◼   ► a month.

00:15:38 ◼   ► - Good thing, maybe?

00:15:39 ◼   ► Like for Apple?

00:15:41 ◼   ► - Maybe.

00:15:42 ◼   ► I mean, who knows, right?

00:15:43 ◼   ► If they've only made eight, but they've sold 16,

00:15:47 ◼   ► they would still be behind, right?

00:15:49 ◼   ► Like you don't know what the numbers are.

00:15:51 ◼   ► But it's, that just popped in my head of like,

00:15:54 ◼   ► "Oh yeah, those things are still slow to ship."

00:15:56 ◼   ► But I don't know, none of us have ordered new watches,

00:15:59 ◼   ► so I guess we can't speak to that.

00:16:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, I was going to, I'm not going to now.

00:16:06 ◼   ► But I don't need it, I'm fine.

00:16:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, watchOS 3 makes the original hardware fine.

00:16:10 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:16:11 ◼   ► - It's totally usable, my battery life is still great

00:16:13 ◼   ► on the bigger of the two, like I've got no complaints.

00:16:17 ◼   ► And if I was a swimmer it'd be different, but I'm not.

00:16:19 ◼   ► So I'm not worried about the waterproof stuff.

00:16:22 ◼   ► - Adina had like two or three weeks

00:16:24 ◼   ► where it was dying every day under 38, and that's fine.

00:16:27 ◼   ► Which is weird, it's even weirder.

00:16:29 ◼   ► It's like inconsistent.

00:16:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, I saw some people on Twitter complaining about that.

00:16:33 ◼   ► Maybe an update took care of it, I mean, who knows?

00:16:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, good point, yeah, yeah, good point.

00:16:37 ◼   ► - What is the Apple TV stuff?

00:16:40 ◼   ► Federico, can you walk us through that?

00:16:43 ◼   ► - Basically they announced this new TV app,

00:16:46 ◼   ► which is called just TV.

00:16:48 ◼   ► First they started with some numbers,

00:16:50 ◼   ► the TV OS app store has like 8,000 apps.

00:16:54 ◼   ► Minecraft is coming to TV OS before the end of the year

00:16:57 ◼   ► and they show this 1600 content apps,

00:17:02 ◼   ► which are basically like video services,

00:17:04 ◼   ► you know, entertainment apps.

00:17:06 ◼   ► And there was Twitter on stage showing off live video,

00:17:09 ◼   ► not Vine, which is being killed off,

00:17:12 ◼   ► but Twitter was showing like American football,

00:17:15 ◼   ► whatever it is that Americans call that sport.

00:17:18 ◼   ► Moving on. - This finally kind of made

00:17:21 ◼   ► a little bit of sense to me why Twitter ever made this bid

00:17:24 ◼   ► in the first place.

00:17:25 ◼   ► Like, there was news about this a while ago

00:17:27 ◼   ► that they'd bought the rights to NFL games.

00:17:29 ◼   ► Make no sense, like why would they do that?

00:17:32 ◼   ► If this is something that they wanna do,

00:17:33 ◼   ► this makes a little bit of sense.

00:17:35 ◼   ► I think I saw Jason Snow tweet that he would like

00:17:39 ◼   ► to do this during something like the Oscars,

00:17:41 ◼   ► which I agree with.

00:17:42 ◼   ► Like a big event like that where there's kind of like

00:17:45 ◼   ► Not a lot that you need to pay attention to

00:17:47 ◼   ► Maybe having Twitter up like scrolling through and seeing what's popular and what's trending about the things that are happening might be kind of fun

00:17:55 ◼   ► I can't think of anything that I enjoy

00:17:58 ◼   ► To watch on the television that I would like this experience for though

00:18:02 ◼   ► I don't know if people that enjoy sports would want this. I don't know I

00:18:07 ◼   ► Think I think Casey seemed pumped about it on online earlier, but I've never

00:18:14 ◼   ► Trying to think I think during the first presidential debate I watched it on Twitter for a little while and it I

00:18:21 ◼   ► Just got to a point where was distracting to see

00:18:24 ◼   ► Video and then a bunch of tweets from like selected accounts go by and it was kind of like too much stuff coming in on

00:18:29 ◼   ► the web or something

00:18:31 ◼   ► Yes, okay

00:18:33 ◼   ► and

00:18:34 ◼   ► You know for me like I mean I like any other

00:18:38 ◼   ► young person in air quotes will

00:18:42 ◼   ► Often watch TV or movies like with my iPad or iPhone like looking at Twitter looking at slack like that

00:18:46 ◼   ► The second screen thing is is something that I do

00:18:49 ◼   ► It's probably not good for my attention span, but something that I do

00:18:52 ◼   ► And so like for me like do I want to watch a game and then watch other people's tweets or do I want to watch?

00:18:57 ◼   ► Like the people I follow tweet about it, right?

00:19:01 ◼   ► Like do I want to watch a presidential debate and like follow my political nerds on my Twitter list for politics, you know

00:19:07 ◼   ► for me it

00:19:09 ◼   ► It only really it doesn't really do what Twitter was designed to do because it doesn't give me interactions with people that I choose to follow

00:19:17 ◼   ► Like that's kind of the whole point of Twitter, but I mean they're gonna be out of business in like six weeks

00:19:21 ◼   ► so it doesn't really matter but

00:19:23 ◼   ► It was strange to me that it got so much attention today during the event

00:19:26 ◼   ► No idea. Yeah, no idea. Anyway, um, I'm I will try my best to explain this as someone who doesn't watch video on the Apple TV

00:19:35 ◼   ► Apple is making a new app called TV, not TV guide or list or something just TV, which aggregates

00:19:42 ◼   ► content from

00:19:45 ◼   ► multiple apps in a single place and

00:19:48 ◼   ► there's a bunch of sections like your favorites, your library or for you, which in this case means

00:19:55 ◼   ► you can resume videos you've started watching and then paused or

00:20:00 ◼   ► there's some curated sections from Apple editors picking out stuff for you and all of this content comes from different apps

00:20:08 ◼   ► so it's like an aggregator for Apple TV content and when you click on

00:20:13 ◼   ► For example, like a thumbnail or Game of Thrones then you're taken to the HBO Now app. So it's like a

00:20:20 ◼   ► Forgive me for the use of the term like a launchpad for

00:20:25 ◼   ► multiple Apple TV apps and it's meant to be, I guess, a quick way to see what you

00:20:31 ◼   ► should be watching without having to navigate the Apple TV interface. I just

00:20:36 ◼   ► found it funny that the future of TV is apps and now the future of the future is

00:20:42 ◼   ► an app for the apps, kinda? You know? What this felt like to me is Apple Music and

00:20:51 ◼   ► Apple News. It's the continuation of that strategy of Apple creating a hub for stuff

00:20:59 ◼   ► and I know music is slightly different.

00:21:02 ◼   ► My question is, why is this not the main TV OS interface? Why does it need to be a separate

00:21:08 ◼   ► app? It just feels like the interaction model of TV OS and to an extent even the Apple Watch

00:21:15 ◼   ► is so based on the iPhone that Apple is not even trying to optimize for the different

00:21:22 ◼   ► types of devices that they make. So everything is kind of like an iPhone and then on watchOS

00:21:27 ◼   ► they did a bunch of updates and now on tvOS they're making an app. It seems to me like

00:21:32 ◼   ► this should be the main interface of tvOS because when I turn on my Apple TV, apothetically

00:21:38 ◼   ► because I don't, but when I turn on my Apple TV I want to see quickly what should I be

00:21:43 ◼   ► watching. It's like when you go to the YouTube homepage. Imagine if the YouTube homepage,

00:21:48 ◼   ► instead of being recommendations and a bunch of things collected from multiple places,

00:21:51 ◼   ► were just a list of your subscriptions. And then you need to go to a separate YouTube website

00:21:57 ◼   ► to see what's hot, what's trending, what you should be watching. It's like Apple is tackling

00:22:01 ◼   ► this problem backwards. I don't think it is a stretch to imagine a world in which this was

00:22:08 ◼   ► supposed to be that. Like when the Apple TV was a subscription service that you

00:22:15 ◼   ► paid for from Apple but they couldn't get that done for whatever reason they

00:22:20 ◼   ► couldn't get that done and this kind of feels like what that would have been but

00:22:26 ◼   ► it's not that. Like for example the icon, the TV app icon, is the same icon as the

00:22:33 ◼   ► TV button on the Siri remote and if I was following correctly when you press

00:22:40 ◼   ► that button you go to this app now and then you press it again to go to home

00:22:44 ◼   ► what did it do before it just takes you home okay so but it seems like now like

00:22:50 ◼   ► it seemed I don't know there seems to be some kind of like bolted on this of all

00:22:55 ◼   ► of this it's like okay if Apple wanted to make this app why did they make the

00:23:00 ◼   ► iTunes app because the iTunes movie app does the same thing that this does like

00:23:07 ◼   ► I think that this was part of the original strategy they can't they shelved

00:23:12 ◼   ► it they made a new home screen which had the applications and just gave the

00:23:16 ◼   ► applications their their little homes as it would have been and that all the

00:23:21 ◼   ► video content all video content was supposed to go through this TV app but

00:23:25 ◼   ► it couldn't do it so they made separate apps because nobody will buy into the

00:23:29 ◼   ► system like the providers so now they've just found some weird way to kind of do this in

00:23:35 ◼   ► the hopes that it will now force the vendors to actually go through it. Like you'll notice

00:23:40 ◼   ► Netflix is not part of this and I think that that is telling you a lot of what you want

00:23:46 ◼   ► to know or need to know about this product. Super super weird.

00:23:51 ◼   ► You are suddenly coming to the iPhone and the iPad as well and not coming this month,

00:23:56 ◼   ► next month but in December so again coming soon. I think the coming to iPhone

00:24:01 ◼   ► and iPad as well is the other indication of the fact that this was the

00:24:05 ◼   ► bones of the subscription service because that would have been on iOS as

00:24:09 ◼   ► well. Yeah I agree with you Myke it feels like a half-hearted step and

00:24:15 ◼   ► maybe that's because its origins or something a lot greater yeah and this is

00:24:19 ◼   ► just sort of like well we have this we're gonna ship it as it is and and

00:24:22 ◼   ► and maybe they're hoping it's like a proof of concept, right?

00:24:25 ◼   ► This works with the content we have,

00:24:28 ◼   ► and if you're in here, you know,

00:24:30 ◼   ► we can say that your content viewership goes up

00:24:32 ◼   ► after we, you know, feature you or something,

00:24:35 ◼   ► and then maybe Netflix will be more willing to play ball.

00:24:38 ◼   ► My guess is, and I have no insider information on this,

00:24:41 ◼   ► it's just a feeling, is that Netflix doesn't want

00:24:44 ◼   ► to be shown with other providers side by side,

00:24:47 ◼   ► like on an even playing field.

00:24:50 ◼   ► Like Netflix wants you to be just within their universe

00:24:53 ◼   ► and for whatever reason they couldn't work it out

00:24:55 ◼   ► to be in there.

00:24:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, I assume that Netflix believe correctly

00:25:01 ◼   ► or incorrectly that they are important enough

00:25:03 ◼   ► that you should be in Netflix.

00:25:04 ◼   ► Like Netflix's content isn't elsewhere.

00:25:06 ◼   ► Like you go to Netflix to watch Netflix.

00:25:09 ◼   ► You don't have your content mixed in with other people.

00:25:11 ◼   ► Like Netflix is where you get Netflix stuff, right?

00:25:14 ◼   ► And I think that that's, as you say,

00:25:16 ◼   ► like that's the reason for it.

00:25:18 ◼   ► And some of the other places, like, you know,

00:25:20 ◼   ► a lot of them, Apple, they're like related to Disney,

00:25:23 ◼   ► so Apple can do whatever it does there.

00:25:25 ◼   ► And, you know, I think that HBO are kind of coming along

00:25:28 ◼   ► because Apple kind of worked with them initially

00:25:31 ◼   ► and gave them different cuts and stuff like that.

00:25:33 ◼   ► So I think that there's a good relationship there.

00:25:35 ◼   ► And HBO probably just doesn't care,

00:25:36 ◼   ► they just want you to watch their stuff.

00:25:38 ◼   ► And Netflix cares more.

00:25:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, and so that's, you know, that's kind of a bummer.

00:25:44 ◼   ► Like, it would be nice if this thing became a hub

00:25:46 ◼   ► for everything that I want to watch on my Apple TV,

00:25:51 ◼   ► but instead, most of what I do on my Apple TV is Netflix,

00:25:57 ◼   ► and I think that's gonna be true,

00:25:58 ◼   ► I think that's true for most people.

00:25:59 ◼   ► - It's YouTube for me, and that will be the same thing.

00:26:01 ◼   ► You won't see YouTube in this either.

00:26:02 ◼   ► - Right, so this is gonna become just another icon

00:26:05 ◼   ► that I hide or I don't visit very often,

00:26:08 ◼   ► 'cause I don't watch stuff on these other apps,

00:26:11 ◼   ► because, partially 'cause I don't have a cable login.

00:26:14 ◼   ► Like I don't pay for cable, and so a lot of this stuff

00:26:16 ◼   ► is built on the single sign-on stuff,

00:26:19 ◼   ► and you have an app based on your cable provider,

00:26:21 ◼   ► that is still locked off to me as a cord cutter.

00:26:25 ◼   ► And the TV app just changes the way that it's formatted,

00:26:28 ◼   ► but it doesn't actually solve any of my problems

00:26:30 ◼   ► with watching stuff on the Apple TV.

00:26:32 ◼   ► - Like this is, this thing is a brand's fighting

00:26:35 ◼   ► against brands to say who's got the biggest brand.

00:26:38 ◼   ► Right, this is what it is.

00:26:39 ◼   ► Apple want everyone inside of their ecosystem,

00:26:42 ◼   ► Netflix want everyone inside of their ecosystem,

00:26:44 ◼   ► and then the person who ends up losing is the consumer

00:26:47 ◼   ► because everyone's brand's more important than the other.

00:26:50 ◼   ► That's my feeling about this.

00:26:51 ◼   ► I'm more upset maybe than I should be,

00:26:53 ◼   ► but I just find it all a bit stupid.

00:26:55 ◼   ► - No, no, this is, it's disappointing to me.

00:26:57 ◼   ► I mean, I want them to push this harder

00:27:00 ◼   ► and they just haven't been able to make up the ground yet.

00:27:03 ◼   ► So for me, it doesn't really change

00:27:04 ◼   ► how I'm gonna use my Apple TV.

00:27:05 ◼   ► It's not gonna dramatically increase my usage of it.

00:27:08 ◼   ► So it's just kind of a different approach

00:27:11 ◼   ► that is not gonna, it's not really gonna change my world.

00:27:14 ◼   ► - Now I already have the Apple TV the way that it is.

00:27:17 ◼   ► I don't need it to be like this.

00:27:19 ◼   ► You know, I don't need this.

00:27:20 ◼   ► Like you already launched it the way that it is,

00:27:23 ◼   ► and it works fine for me.

00:27:24 ◼   ► - And it's not gonna make Federico fire his up anymore.

00:27:26 ◼   ► - No, no, not really.

00:27:27 ◼   ► - His is still, you know, like leveling out a table,

00:27:29 ◼   ► I think, in his apartment.

00:27:30 ◼   ► Not even plugged in anymore.

00:27:33 ◼   ► - No, so I wanted to tell you, I tried to use it last week.

00:27:37 ◼   ► Fun experience, I wanted to watch some Brooklyn Nine-Nine

00:27:40 ◼   ► on my Apple TV. Love the show. Yeah. And so I opened this video player that I got on iOS

00:27:48 ◼   ► and I assume I just need to tap the AirPlay icon. So I tap the AirPlay icon, select Apple

00:27:53 ◼   ► TV and what happens next may surprise you because just the audio starts playing on the

00:28:03 ◼   ► Apple TV. No video. I was like, you know what? I just, I don't have time for this. I just

00:28:08 ◼   ► send it to my Chromecast and it was okay. So yeah.

00:28:14 ◼   ► Just while we're just talking about Chromecast, like super super quick follow-up, what about

00:28:18 ◼   ► Google's Trojan horse of the home app? Like Chromecast app is now the Google Home app,

00:28:23 ◼   ► like buy a Google Home! Such a pretty icon!

00:28:26 ◼   ► It was just such a strange thing to do! Yeah I know but the icon is pretty, Myke.

00:28:31 ◼   ► Oh well that's alright then. Yeah.

00:28:34 ◼   ► Alright should we take a break and then get into the main event?

00:28:38 ◼   ► That's good.

00:28:39 ◼   ► Okay.

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00:31:34 ◼   ► support of this show and Relay FM. So we got a Mac today. Oh like two and a half Macs but yes.

00:31:43 ◼   ► One Mac. They... can we just have a minute here? Yeah. Can I just share something with you guys?

00:31:52 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:31:53 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:31:53 ◼   ► - I consider myself some sort of Apple historian, right?

00:31:58 ◼   ► I got a studio full of old Macs,

00:32:02 ◼   ► write about them, have a YouTube channel.

00:32:04 ◼   ► I did not expect Apple to go this route.

00:32:06 ◼   ► Apple does not look back.

00:32:08 ◼   ► You know, they did the 40 years in 40 seconds thing

00:32:11 ◼   ► last year, which was supposed to be the last town hall event

00:32:14 ◼   ► but they were again today, I guess,

00:32:16 ◼   ► because they didn't expect this event to be in the fall.

00:32:20 ◼   ► But they started this event by talking about

00:32:23 ◼   ► the first Apple notebook, which was in October 1991,

00:32:27 ◼   ► PowerBook 100, 140, and 170 were the three options.

00:32:31 ◼   ► They just discount the Macintosh portable.

00:32:33 ◼   ► If you haven't ever seen a picture of that,

00:32:35 ◼   ► go look it up on Wikipedia.

00:32:36 ◼   ► It is crazy.

00:32:37 ◼   ► But they kept circling back to this.

00:32:42 ◼   ► Like 25 years since the notebook,

00:32:44 ◼   ► he, Tim pointed out that it was the first keyboard forward

00:32:48 ◼   ► design with a trackball below the keyboard

00:32:50 ◼   ► the palm rest. It was very strange. At the end, it was like, you know, one year of compute

00:32:55 ◼   ► time on the PowerBook 170 is done in like five seconds on the new MacBook Pro. Very

00:33:00 ◼   ► strange couching of all this stuff.

00:33:03 ◼   ► Why did they do this, do you think? Was it just because the timing happened to meet up?

00:33:08 ◼   ► I guess. Or maybe they wanted... I don't know. Do you compare it with the MacBook Pro that

00:33:15 ◼   ► Last updated a year and a half ago, but really like three years ago

00:33:19 ◼   ► Like I don't know maybe they don't want to draw the tension that it's been so long. So they just like do something really

00:33:24 ◼   ► Really oddball. It was just unusual. I guess is my only point. I don't know why they did it but not a move you see very often

00:33:32 ◼   ► Yeah from Apple, did you know this you haven't mentioned this did you know it was 25 years since the first Apple notebook?

00:33:40 ◼   ► No, you didn't know

00:33:41 ◼   ► We got a steppy game up man

00:33:44 ◼   ► They beat this is your beat it is well they did like a totally awesome

00:33:49 ◼   ► Reveal video with like Macbooks flying through the air. It's basically if Apple said to you you can direct a video

00:33:57 ◼   ► That's the video you would make

00:33:59 ◼   ► Right like a hundred percent. That was it. It was just lots of old Macs flying around

00:34:03 ◼   ► Just give me the budget and I'll make the old Macs fly around

00:34:08 ◼   ► And the keys to your storage and I go there and shoot a video

00:34:12 ◼   ► Give me a get me a crew here and I'll make a video like that. I can certainly picture you doing that Steven

00:34:18 ◼   ► Cool just saying if you want to change careers at some point, you know, there's a position open obviously

00:34:25 ◼   ► I mean you get to work every couple of years, but

00:34:28 ◼   ► It's maybe you can make a pretty cool video. I

00:34:31 ◼   ► Guess I mean if you know it is cool, but it was just unexpected

00:34:38 ◼   ► expected. So real quick, I'm just gonna blast through like the high-level

00:34:44 ◼   ► tech stuff and then we can get into what's the most interesting. Two new

00:34:48 ◼   ► models MacBook Pro 13 inch and 15 inch they're both as you would expect lighter

00:34:52 ◼   ► and thinner they clock in at three pounds and four pounds. They come in

00:34:56 ◼   ► silver and space gray none of your beloved rose gold or gold. No glowing

00:35:03 ◼   ► logo on the lid so it's like the MacBook with the stainless steel you know iOS

00:35:07 ◼   ► like Apple in the back. MacBook style keyboard. Apple promise more travel but

00:35:13 ◼   ► from the hands-on that we've seen so far it seems like it kind of feels more like

00:35:17 ◼   ► the MacBook keyboard than the external Magic keyboard which I have in front of

00:35:20 ◼   ► me now that I really like. 15s are all quad-core i7 you can go up to 2 terabytes

00:35:27 ◼   ► SSD which is super fancy and super awesome and super expensive. All of the

00:35:34 ◼   ► legacy ports are gone you have four Thunderbolt 3 ports and those ports can

00:35:39 ◼   ► be any four of them can be used for power, Thunderbolt 3, USB-C, DisplayPort,

00:35:44 ◼   ► VGA, DVI, HDMI or Ethernet and I guess like Thunderbolt 2 and USB 3 so you

00:35:51 ◼   ► can adapt almost anything out of these things. The headphone jack is still there

00:35:55 ◼   ► screen picked up the P3 wide color gamut, speakers are louder, the 4-step trackpad

00:36:02 ◼   ► is bigger, 10 hours of battery life. I mean the things that we expected all came true

00:36:08 ◼   ► right there's no I don't think there's any real surprises in the hardware other than

00:36:12 ◼   ► the touch bar stuff which we'll get to but like the basic hardware like what this MacBook

00:36:15 ◼   ► Pro is I think it's pretty much in line with what we were expecting. I think it's smaller

00:36:20 ◼   ► than we thought it was gonna be like I don't really know how much I thought about the fact

00:36:25 ◼   ► that this thing was gonna be like 25% smaller.

00:36:29 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Which is awesome.

00:36:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's smaller like width and depth wise,

00:36:34 ◼   ► the whole thing is tighter.

00:36:35 ◼   ► The 13 inch MacBook Pro is now smaller in like size

00:36:40 ◼   ► on your desk than the 13 inch MacBook Air,

00:36:43 ◼   ► which we're gonna get to the Air in a little while,

00:36:45 ◼   ► but there's lots of like weird overlapping stuff

00:36:48 ◼   ► going on now.

00:36:49 ◼   ► The I/O is, you know, I wrote this thing last week,

00:36:55 ◼   ► kind of complaining about this new world.

00:36:58 ◼   ► Every time we do this, it means you have to adapt

00:37:00 ◼   ► everything for a while or buy a bunch of new cables.

00:37:03 ◼   ► And I tweeted a thing about like $180 of adapters

00:37:05 ◼   ► in a shopping cart at Apple.com.

00:37:07 ◼   ► Gets you all the stuff you used to have.

00:37:09 ◼   ► But it is the cost of progress,

00:37:12 ◼   ► and Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C on the same port

00:37:16 ◼   ► is really awesome, and it's great that you can use

00:37:18 ◼   ► any four of them for power or any of the other things

00:37:22 ◼   ► you need, like how often you would put a MacBook Pro down,

00:37:26 ◼   ► the power would be like on the wrong side

00:37:28 ◼   ► and the cable not being long enough, all that's gone.

00:37:30 ◼   ► But it does come at a cost, it comes with a real cost

00:37:33 ◼   ► if you need adapters and dongles,

00:37:35 ◼   ► but things like MagSafe for now are now gone.

00:37:37 ◼   ► And I don't know about the two of you,

00:37:39 ◼   ► but MagSafe has totally saved notebooks for me

00:37:42 ◼   ► over the last decade.

00:37:44 ◼   ► You're having a computer on a table and a kid walks by,

00:37:47 ◼   ► or the dog runs by and pulls the cable,

00:37:51 ◼   ► and the cable pops off and the MacBook stays in place.

00:37:54 ◼   ► That is gone.

00:37:55 ◼   ► Like someone trips over your USB-C power cable

00:37:58 ◼   ► on a MacBook Pro, it is going to come off the table.

00:38:01 ◼   ► And that's something you have to,

00:38:02 ◼   ► it's not a big deal, it's not a deal breaker, surely,

00:38:05 ◼   ► but it's something that's different.

00:38:06 ◼   ► It's something worth noticing if you were like me,

00:38:10 ◼   ► I thought MagSafe was brilliant.

00:38:11 ◼   ► It was like one of the smartest things they added

00:38:13 ◼   ► to the Mac notebook line.

00:38:15 ◼   ► And now it's gone.

00:38:17 ◼   ► But you get the flexibility.

00:38:18 ◼   ► - The thing that worries me most about

00:38:20 ◼   ► the loss of magsafe is I don't know how many times it saved me.

00:38:24 ◼   ► So like, I know that like basically every Apple laptop that I have ever

00:38:29 ◼   ► owned has had magsafe on it.

00:38:31 ◼   ► And I wonder how quickly I will destroy a laptop.

00:38:37 ◼   ► Right?

00:38:39 ◼   ► Like, because I'm, I am 100% used to not caring about the power cable.

00:38:45 ◼   ► Like I pick up the laptop while it's charging and walk away with it.

00:38:50 ◼   ► Right, these are just the things that I'm used to doing and I wonder how long that's

00:38:55 ◼   ► gonna last for me.

00:38:56 ◼   ► - How long it takes.

00:38:57 ◼   ► It's gonna be bad.

00:38:58 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:38:59 ◼   ► - The other thing that's sort of notable about the I/O setup on this is that they are, in

00:39:11 ◼   ► a lot of their demo stuff, like kind of giving you examples of what you can do, they're pushing

00:39:16 ◼   ► the external flexibility and capability a lot more than they ever have. So when the

00:39:22 ◼   ► trash can Mac Pro was announced 28 years ago, they were like, "Hey, you know, there's no

00:39:27 ◼   ► expansion cards, right? Like we all complained about it. You can't put new cards into the

00:39:33 ◼   ► machine." They said, "Oh, you can do it all externally." And I don't think that ever really

00:39:36 ◼   ► took off for the Mac Pro. You can get some like Thunderbolt and PCI chassis and stuff,

00:39:41 ◼   ► but I don't think it ever really took off the way Apple wanted. And they're here again

00:39:45 ◼   ► being the same drone. Not with PCI cards but they had an example of like hooking up to

00:39:49 ◼   ► this nice external display and some RAID arrays and like having all this stuff

00:39:53 ◼   ► that you can mount and because these four ports are identical and you can do

00:39:57 ◼   ► anything with any of them it is truly probably the most flexible MacBook Pro

00:40:02 ◼   ► they've ever shipped from an I/O perspective and the most powerful like

00:40:05 ◼   ► Thunderbolt 3 is ridiculous and USB-C is really nice and flexible but it comes

00:40:10 ◼   ► with these trade-offs and you have to either buy a bunch of adapters or buy a

00:40:14 ◼   ► a bunch of new cables or understand that this is gonna be a transition and you're going

00:40:20 ◼   ► to need to maybe change some things in your setup to accommodate this new computer.

00:40:25 ◼   ► But I think at the end of the day, once we're through that transition, this is a good direction.

00:40:29 ◼   ► The four ports are identical, that you can do anything you want to with any of them.

00:40:33 ◼   ► That you have all these options, I think is pretty nice.

00:40:37 ◼   ► We just have to get through this transition and pain period of buying a bunch of stuff

00:40:41 ◼   ► again that you've already owned.

00:40:43 ◼   ► I feel like I'm doing that more and more frequently.

00:40:46 ◼   ► Like the frequency at which things are changing over, like the march of progress is getting

00:40:52 ◼   ► quicker.

00:40:54 ◼   ► Maybe I'm just getting older.

00:40:55 ◼   ► So it feels that way.

00:40:56 ◼   ► Well, I mean we had, when they added mini-display port, you know, it was just for display stuff

00:41:03 ◼   ► and you could adapt VGA DVI out of it.

00:41:06 ◼   ► But really since Thunderbolt 1 showed up, which was on that same port like it is now,

00:41:12 ◼   ► Things have really been pretty steady now for several years and the MacBook 1/Macbook

00:41:19 ◼   ► Adorable ushered in this era but this is even more complicated because the MacBook 1 only

00:41:27 ◼   ► has USB-C. So the Thunderbolt 3 stuff doesn't apply to that computer even though the port

00:41:34 ◼   ► on the side of the machine looks the same and the plug in your hand is the same.

00:41:38 ◼   ► And that's not ideal, and I would love if the MacBook

00:41:42 ◼   ► would gain Thunderbolt 3, but the Core M chips

00:41:44 ◼   ► that they use doesn't support Thunderbolt.

00:41:46 ◼   ► So they're kind of stuck there.

00:41:48 ◼   ► But it is like, if you have a MacBook in another machine,

00:41:52 ◼   ► you may end up in a situation where you can't do

00:41:54 ◼   ► everything you want to do because that MacBook

00:41:55 ◼   ► doesn't have Thunderbolt.

00:41:56 ◼   ► So it's something, again, you have to think about

00:41:58 ◼   ► a little bit more than in the past,

00:41:59 ◼   ► when everything was Firewire 800 and USB 2,

00:42:02 ◼   ► it's like, yeah, it works or it doesn't.

00:42:03 ◼   ► And now there's another layer of complication.

00:42:06 ◼   ► Probably worth it, 'cause the speed is so much greater

00:42:08 ◼   ► flexibility is so nice but it is something to consider when buying a new machine or changing

00:42:13 ◼   ► something in your setup like what does this work with what does it not work with what

00:42:18 ◼   ► am I gonna have to change out to make this possible.

00:42:20 ◼   ► Can we talk about touch bar?

00:42:23 ◼   ► Please.

00:42:24 ◼   ► So I think we knew a lot of what the touch bar was going to be but there are you know

00:42:31 ◼   ► the devil is in the details with these things and I gotta say I think the details are pretty

00:42:37 ◼   ► cool I think this is a good-looking thing we do we know what type of display

00:42:41 ◼   ► it is I saw someone saying it's a knowledge display I think they asked in

00:42:46 ◼   ► the demo room and I saw someone on Twitter say by the way it's a knowledge

00:42:49 ◼   ► display okay that makes a lot of sense to me I think this is the Apple watch

00:42:54 ◼   ► and this it's like Apple's march towards an OLED iPhone like this is how they're

00:42:59 ◼   ► getting used to what this technology is all about anyhow I think it looks

00:43:04 ◼   ► awesome like watching the Final Cut Pro demos and just all the little things

00:43:12 ◼   ► that are happening like the emoji, the quick type, answering a call like a

00:43:17 ◼   ► FaceTime call, it all looked really cool to me. I think that it's a very exciting

00:43:22 ◼   ► thing that I look forward to this type of stuff reaching out across the line a

00:43:27 ◼   ► little bit more right like I think that this is a an interesting piece of

00:43:31 ◼   ► technology that Apple have made that really starts to bridge the gap between

00:43:37 ◼   ► iOS and macOS. Federico before I ape your point that I saw you tweet earlier

00:43:43 ◼   ► you should just say it about what this enables.

00:43:47 ◼   ► I mean it's a very clever, I think it's very clever way of bringing some iOS

00:43:53 ◼   ► features and namely the quick type stuff from iOS 10 to macOS without having to

00:43:59 ◼   ► sort of make a hybrid computer where people have to touch the screen, you're

00:44:03 ◼   ► effectively making a separate screen for a subset of iOS features such as word

00:44:09 ◼   ► suggestions or you know like an enhancement of the shortcut bar that you

00:44:14 ◼   ► get on the iPad with these custom buttons that change depending on the active app.

00:44:17 ◼   ► Well this is a basically a glorified quick type and shortcut bar rolled into

00:44:23 ◼   ► one mixed with some system shortcuts and some of the previous functionality from

00:44:28 ◼   ► the function key. I think it's very clever. I think it looks great and I would love to

00:44:33 ◼   ► have the touch bar in Apple accessories such as the Magic Keyboard or my dream right now

00:44:40 ◼   ► in the Smart Keyboard for the iPad Pro. I don't know if there's enough space. Certainly

00:44:45 ◼   ► it could be powered by the iPad Pro I guess but maybe you know it requires too much hardware

00:44:50 ◼   ► at this point. I think it's very clever. I think it looks great. I saw pictures of the

00:44:56 ◼   ► close-up photos of the touch bar. I think the black levels look fantastic and it

00:45:01 ◼   ► seems to have a slightly matte finish which I think looks really really cool.

00:45:05 ◼   ► This is part of the joy of OLED. I have no time today to talk about the Pixel

00:45:12 ◼   ► but there obviously is an OLED screen and I've been using a Twitter app which

00:45:17 ◼   ► has an OLED theme and it's just the purest black. Like it is the darkest dark

00:45:24 ◼   ► mode I've ever used. I really love the way that OLED screens look like that. I mean,

00:45:32 ◼   ► I definitely miss the wide colour gamut stuff because I think that's beautiful, but those

00:45:37 ◼   ► black levels that you can get from OLED, it really is incredible. And it just looks like

00:45:43 ◼   ► the screen's off. Like the screen's off, but there's some text on it. It's very interesting.

00:45:48 ◼   ► And that's how this looks, right? Like, these look like buttons on a black background because

00:45:53 ◼   ► the background is perfectly black.

00:45:55 ◼   ► It's really, really good looking.

00:45:57 ◼   ► - The only thing I would counter that with,

00:45:59 ◼   ► some of the pictures,

00:46:00 ◼   ► I put a link to MacRumors in the notes,

00:46:03 ◼   ► the Touch ID sensor doesn't look as integrated

00:46:07 ◼   ► into the design as I had hoped it would be.

00:46:09 ◼   ► Like it's not a seamless cover glass,

00:46:11 ◼   ► like the Touch ID is like a cutout next to it.

00:46:13 ◼   ► And on the other end,

00:46:15 ◼   ► it seems like there's some blank space

00:46:19 ◼   ► to kind of make it symmetrical, if you will.

00:46:22 ◼   ► So that's something that'll improve with time, I think.

00:46:25 ◼   ► Yeah, it doesn't look bad necessarily,

00:46:27 ◼   ► but it's like, oh, that's a different thing

00:46:29 ◼   ► kind of nestled in there next to it.

00:46:31 ◼   ► But they started this by talking about

00:46:35 ◼   ► the function key itself, and they made this joke

00:46:37 ◼   ► about this console to talk to mainframes

00:46:40 ◼   ► back in the '60s and '70s, real Dr. Drang type stuff.

00:46:43 ◼   ► And it was very similar to how they justified

00:46:47 ◼   ► getting rid of the iPhone headphone jack

00:46:50 ◼   ► of like this has been around forever,

00:46:52 ◼   ► we don't need it anymore.

00:46:53 ◼   ► He did not use the word courage, thank goodness,

00:46:56 ◼   ► but it was kind of a similar approach.

00:46:58 ◼   ► And the whole thing is powered by

00:47:01 ◼   ► what they're calling the T1 chip.

00:47:03 ◼   ► So we have the A series, the S series in the watch,

00:47:06 ◼   ► the W series in the headphones,

00:47:07 ◼   ► and now the T series in the MacBook Pro touch bar.

00:47:11 ◼   ► My sort of vague understanding is this is more or less

00:47:15 ◼   ► based on the S1 chip that we saw on the watch,

00:47:20 ◼   ► that it's a very self-contained system.

00:47:22 ◼   ► They're using it to get the secure enclave

00:47:25 ◼   ► for Touch ID and Apple Pay into the MacBook Pro.

00:47:28 ◼   ► 'Cause that stuff is all ARM specific.

00:47:32 ◼   ► You know, Intel itself is not building a Skylake processor

00:47:35 ◼   ► with a secure enclave that Apple wants to use, right?

00:47:37 ◼   ► This is Apple's own thing.

00:47:39 ◼   ► So it's kind of a little computer inside your MacBook Pro

00:47:42 ◼   ► and it has this little screen that it has.

00:47:44 ◼   ► Like, it's a separate system that macOS can talk to.

00:47:48 ◼   ► but it executes its own code, best I can tell,

00:47:52 ◼   ► and from what I've read, it is a system within your system.

00:47:56 ◼   ► And that's pretty interesting.

00:47:58 ◼   ► In a world where we don't have ARM Macs,

00:48:03 ◼   ► it's kind of the only way to go,

00:48:04 ◼   ► because Intel's not gonna build this for them,

00:48:05 ◼   ► and this is something that Apple can do

00:48:09 ◼   ► with its silicon team that it makes perfect sense

00:48:11 ◼   ► for them to do internally, right?

00:48:13 ◼   ► We'll take the Intel chipset to power everything,

00:48:16 ◼   ► and then we'll build this little sidecar thing

00:48:18 ◼   ► for the touch bar, we'll call it the T1,

00:48:20 ◼   ► and the two don't have to intermix.

00:48:23 ◼   ► So I find that really fascinating

00:48:25 ◼   ► from the nerd perspective.

00:48:26 ◼   ► - So is the T1 powering the touch bar?

00:48:29 ◼   ► I thought it was just powering the touch ID in the Enclave.

00:48:33 ◼   ► - My understanding is it, I mean, this is day one,

00:48:37 ◼   ► my understanding is that it powers the touch bar as well,

00:48:41 ◼   ► that it at least sits in between macOS and the touch bar.

00:48:45 ◼   ► and I think we will learn more in the coming days,

00:48:47 ◼   ► but my understanding right now is that that's the case.

00:48:50 ◼   ► But again, it's day one.

00:48:51 ◼   ► They spent a ton of time in this event demoing it,

00:48:55 ◼   ► of like how it would work.

00:48:56 ◼   ► And it seems like this touch bar has really

00:49:00 ◼   ► kind of two main modes, if you will.

00:49:04 ◼   ► You have, what it does varies on application.

00:49:09 ◼   ► And an application can put buttons on the touch bar,

00:49:13 ◼   ► So they showed things like Photoshop and Finder,

00:49:16 ◼   ► which they called a power user app,

00:49:17 ◼   ► which really just made me really hurt inside.

00:49:20 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:49:21 ◼   ► - I missed that.

00:49:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, they're like, "Let's look at a power application.

00:49:24 ◼   ► "Let's start with Finder."

00:49:25 ◼   ► It's like, "Oh my God, what are you doing?"

00:49:27 ◼   ► And you can put buttons down there

00:49:30 ◼   ► and it'll interact with what's on your screen,

00:49:32 ◼   ► which is cool.

00:49:33 ◼   ► But it also has a mode where a app can put a custom UI there.

00:49:38 ◼   ► And so my favorite example is they showed Photoshop

00:49:41 ◼   ► and the demo where she had an image up she was working on

00:49:46 ◼   ► and she had the color picker on the touch bar

00:49:49 ◼   ► and she could scrub her finger over it and pick a color

00:49:53 ◼   ► and without having to use like one of the 10 million palettes

00:49:56 ◼   ► in Photoshop and it was a custom UI

00:49:58 ◼   ► like it just had this band of color

00:50:00 ◼   ► and she was picking from.

00:50:01 ◼   ► - I like that she was saying that it was possible

00:50:04 ◼   ► to edit in full screen without any UI

00:50:10 ◼   ► And it's like, yeah, I guess you can, right?

00:50:12 ◼   ► Super cool.

00:50:13 ◼   ► They showed photos.app with some sliders and some dials.

00:50:18 ◼   ► They showed Final Cut Pro, which is getting a big update

00:50:21 ◼   ► to support all of this, with basically a mini timeline

00:50:25 ◼   ► there.

00:50:27 ◼   ► You could scrub over your timeline

00:50:28 ◼   ► or you could apply different effects.

00:50:30 ◼   ► So this thing can surface bits of the UI that may be hidden.

00:50:33 ◼   ► Something like Photoshop, it's got a billion things it can do.

00:50:37 ◼   ► It can surface content aware options for you.

00:50:40 ◼   ► Pull things out of menus and get them

00:50:42 ◼   ► underneath your fingertips.

00:50:43 ◼   ► Or an app can display its own UI with whatever it needs to do.

00:50:46 ◼   ► Yeah, and third parties are able to.

00:50:48 ◼   ► The HIG has updated today to have

00:50:50 ◼   ► all of the documentation necessary for how

00:50:54 ◼   ► these things should operate.

00:50:56 ◼   ► Right.

00:50:57 ◼   ► So that all seems to work much better

00:51:01 ◼   ► than I kind of feared it might.

00:51:02 ◼   ► Now, I still have questions about how

00:51:03 ◼   ► distracting it's going to be if you're switching between apps

00:51:05 ◼   ► and the stuff's changing the corner of your eye

00:51:07 ◼   ► all the time.

00:51:08 ◼   ► - I was wondering about this,

00:51:09 ◼   ► 'cause I've seen a lot of people say this.

00:51:12 ◼   ► I guess the majority of the UI will change

00:51:14 ◼   ► when you're actually switching applications

00:51:17 ◼   ► where there's things moving everywhere, right?

00:51:20 ◼   ► Like when you switch an application,

00:51:22 ◼   ► what's in front of your eyes has just changed.

00:51:24 ◼   ► I don't think it would be that distracting.

00:51:26 ◼   ► If the touch bar kept like cycling through things

00:51:29 ◼   ► whilst you've got an application open,

00:51:31 ◼   ► then it's gonna distract your peripheral vision.

00:51:33 ◼   ► But I think if you're switching application,

00:51:36 ◼   ► it's not going to distract you because your eyes are

00:51:39 ◼   ► seeing lots of stuff move.

00:51:40 ◼   ► Yeah, that's a good point.

00:51:42 ◼   ► But if you're in Photoshop, things

00:51:43 ◼   ► could be changing all the time.

00:51:46 ◼   ► You can go back to the standard function keys

00:51:48 ◼   ► by pushing the function button on the keyboard.

00:51:50 ◼   ► So you get your normal brightness and volume

00:51:53 ◼   ► controllers, your mission control stuff.

00:51:55 ◼   ► I love that they have sliders for those as well.

00:51:57 ◼   ► I do too.

00:51:58 ◼   ► Because you don't need buttons.

00:52:00 ◼   ► This is something Jason mentioned.

00:52:01 ◼   ► When we were in Memphis, we were talking about this

00:52:03 ◼   ► because the rumors were just saying, it's like, why don't they just have sliders now?

00:52:06 ◼   ► And it makes way more sense, like, rather than these buttons. And I did like what the,

00:52:10 ◼   ► you know, a lot of this stuff can be like, you know, we always talk about how does Apple

00:52:14 ◼   ► tell the story? And I liked how Phil was saying, it was like, the function buttons have always

00:52:18 ◼   ► existed. Nobody needs them anymore. So we've just turned them into other things. And it's

00:52:24 ◼   ► like, why, why should the volume be up and down increments from a hardware button? It

00:52:33 ◼   ► makes way more sense to have more fine-grain control over a slider like I do on iOS.

00:52:39 ◼   ► Sure. I think it's a more natural gesture.

00:52:44 ◼   ► It also--there's kind of another mode where--or it's not really the way to say it--

00:52:51 ◼   ► in the app mode, where an app is projecting UI onto this thing,

00:52:55 ◼   ► there's something that is called the control strip, which there'll be a link in the show notes.

00:52:58 ◼   ► that's a very old name, old Mac users will know that name from the classic Mac OS.

00:53:02 ◼   ► But the Control Strip takes some of your system functions. So best I can tell it

00:53:08 ◼   ► takes your brightness and volume and Siri. I think that's kind of the default

00:53:15 ◼   ► four and you can scrub back and forth in there. So it's like system stuff that's

00:53:21 ◼   ► always present. So even if you're in photos and you're scrubbing through an

00:53:27 ◼   ► album you always have brightness and volume available to you. I think that's

00:53:30 ◼   ► when the escape key pops up as well. Yes the escape key is also in this view so

00:53:34 ◼   ► that that makes a lot of sense to me the things that we talked about it when

00:53:37 ◼   ► these rumors broke that like I kind of want brightness and volume all the time

00:53:41 ◼   ► and this is a way to have that and also have this smart stuff so I think they've

00:53:48 ◼   ► made the right compromises I want to see how it works in practice of course. But

00:53:51 ◼   ► apps can hide them right like you can have them pushed off to the side. Yeah

00:53:56 ◼   ► and then I think you can bring them back in if you want them. So there'll be some

00:53:59 ◼   ► learning there. I don't know how strictly they're going to force the

00:54:03 ◼   ► HIG on this. It may be that some apps do a poor job at it than others, but I think

00:54:08 ◼   ► there will be some sort of common use that gels and that good Mac

00:54:12 ◼   ► apps will do that. Something that I thought was really cool was the fact

00:54:16 ◼   ► that you can customize it. When you're in Finder and stuff you're able

00:54:21 ◼   ► to customize the buttons so you can drag and drop new ones onto the bar, depending

00:54:26 ◼   ► on the types of things that you need.

00:54:28 ◼   ► So you can finally get rid of Apex, per se.

00:54:31 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:54:34 ◼   ► I just thought that was really cool,

00:54:35 ◼   ► 'cause it's like, yes, of course you can do that.

00:54:37 ◼   ► And yeah, I thought it was really sweet.

00:54:40 ◼   ► 'Cause it's like, now, in many applications,

00:54:43 ◼   ► I can have two toolbars.

00:54:44 ◼   ► I can have a toolbar on the screen,

00:54:45 ◼   ► I can have a toolbar in the app,

00:54:46 ◼   ► and I get like double the functions.

00:54:48 ◼   ► Like, thinking about logic,

00:54:50 ◼   ► you know, like I have a bunch of buttons in logic

00:54:52 ◼   ► which are easy to get to,

00:54:53 ◼   ► I can now double the amount of buttons

00:54:55 ◼   ► I can have available. Right, which didn't get any stage time today, just Final Cut did.

00:54:59 ◼   ► Womp womp. Yeah, it'll get there. So yeah, it seems like from what I saw today,

00:55:05 ◼   ► I'm impressed and I think that they have thought through all the problems that I

00:55:13 ◼   ► could think of at least and I'm sure they've just a lot of problems that I didn't think of.

00:55:16 ◼   ► It seems like it makes sense, it seems like it's gonna be a consistent experience. I do

00:55:21 ◼   ► think there'll be a funny thing that happens if people who buy these machines

00:55:24 ◼   ► will like do something and then reach up and touch the screen itself like it just

00:55:28 ◼   ► seems like a very natural accident it's gonna break your brain yeah something we

00:55:32 ◼   ► didn't mention fast user switching via touch ID the Mac gets a feature before

00:55:36 ◼   ► iOS does I mean the Mac has had fast user switching for like a decade

00:55:42 ◼   ► someone said that on Twitter like oh fast user switching came to the Mac it's

00:55:45 ◼   ► like no it's been there a long time I'm not saying that fast use that's user

00:55:48 ◼   ► switching is new it's the fact that you can change user with the use of the

00:55:52 ◼   ► fingerprint right which is how I would assume they would that would be a smart

00:55:55 ◼   ► way to do it on the iPad but right now the fast user switching on like the

00:56:01 ◼   ► educational realm iPad stuff is a little a little weird but the thing is though

00:56:06 ◼   ► like whilst this is cool the laptops the wrong product for that how many people

00:56:10 ◼   ► share laptops I think I mean I think they did it because the Mac already had

00:56:13 ◼   ► fast user switching and I'm sure it wasn't a big deal to add you may as well

00:56:17 ◼   ► do it because you can but like... Right and it's a sweet demo right like it's a

00:56:23 ◼   ► sweet demo and I think people I mean people share iPads people share laptops

00:56:26 ◼   ► for schools that you know end up with MacBook Pros that aren't mini they'll

00:56:32 ◼   ► appreciate it I think I mean like I have a user on my wife's MacBook and she has

00:56:36 ◼   ► a user on my computer there's not a lot of stuff in that user but like sometimes

00:56:40 ◼   ► you sit down and you just you know want your synced Safari bookmarks but I think

00:56:44 ◼   ► it's cool the demo of that was awesome like he called Phil Schiller up from the

00:56:48 ◼   ► crowd like Kirk Federighi was on fire day could we just talk about how he

00:56:51 ◼   ► ripped the black fabric off the MacBook Pros like he was a magician was that

00:56:55 ◼   ► awesome Federighi is the best in the world yes or everything so he he calls

00:57:01 ◼   ► for Schiller and says hey you know we share this Mac and Schiller just walked

00:57:04 ◼   ► over and touched it and they logged into Phil's user like it was great great demo

00:57:08 ◼   ► so all in all thumbs up from me I think I want to spend some time with it but I

00:57:13 ◼   ► I think they sold it really well on stage.

00:57:17 ◼   ► I think the demos they drove were a really wide range.

00:57:22 ◼   ► So you had Final Cut Pro, you had Photoshop,

00:57:23 ◼   ► you had DJ Pro, which I haven't even talked about,

00:57:26 ◼   ► like layering and fading music, like sweet, sweet demo.

00:57:31 ◼   ► I think they did a good job at showing this

00:57:34 ◼   ► in a bunch of different contexts.

00:57:36 ◼   ► And so I'm excited to see what developers do with it.

00:57:38 ◼   ► It still is only on the MacBook Pro, right?

00:57:41 ◼   ► The Magic Keyboard doesn't have it,

00:57:42 ◼   ► so you don't have it on the iMac or any other desktop

00:57:45 ◼   ► you're foolish enough to buy right now.

00:57:47 ◼   ► The MacBook doesn't have it.

00:57:49 ◼   ► What's left of the MacBook Air line doesn't have it.

00:57:51 ◼   ► It's just the MacBook Pro.

00:57:52 ◼   ► I assume it will spread.

00:57:54 ◼   ► I have questions about can they do it

00:57:55 ◼   ► in a Bluetooth keyboard for an iMac,

00:57:57 ◼   ► but assuming they get that worked out,

00:58:00 ◼   ► I think that the adoption of this will be good now,

00:58:03 ◼   ► but I think as it expands across the Mac line,

00:58:05 ◼   ► hopefully the adoption will only go up

00:58:06 ◼   ► and this will become part of what using a Mac is about.

00:58:11 ◼   ► Like right now it's kind of an add-on for the MacBook Pro.

00:58:13 ◼   ► - When they eventually put it out in that keyboard,

00:58:16 ◼   ► it's gonna be the heaviest keyboard in the world.

00:58:19 ◼   ► 'Cause they will have to make the entire thing a battery.

00:58:21 ◼   ► Right?

00:58:22 ◼   ► Because it's powering a screen.

00:58:23 ◼   ► - It is now.

00:58:24 ◼   ► - Really?

00:58:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I think now if you open one up,

00:58:27 ◼   ► it's a lot of battery in there.

00:58:28 ◼   ► I mean, the Magic Keyboard,

00:58:30 ◼   ► I mean, I've got a Magic Keyboard 2, I've got one.

00:58:32 ◼   ► The battery lasts for like months.

00:58:34 ◼   ► I mean, it is nutty.

00:58:35 ◼   ► So I think, I mean, they're not gonna make any taller.

00:58:39 ◼   ► I think they're gonna make it shorter.

00:58:41 ◼   ► but it's one of those things that hopefully spreads.

00:58:45 ◼   ► - So pricing.

00:58:50 ◼   ► This is where things start to get weird

00:58:55 ◼   ► because at the pricing section of the,

00:58:58 ◼   ► I was gonna call it show, we'll call it a show,

00:59:00 ◼   ► they introduced another computer.

00:59:02 ◼   ► By the way, here is, you know,

00:59:05 ◼   ► we've just spent like an hour talking about the touch bar.

00:59:08 ◼   ► Here's a MacBook Pro without one because it makes it cheaper.

00:59:11 ◼   ► Weird, right?

00:59:12 ◼   ► It's weird.

00:59:13 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:59:14 ◼   ► So let's start at the bottom and work our way up.

00:59:17 ◼   ► And then I wanna talk about what happened

00:59:18 ◼   ► worldwide as well.

00:59:20 ◼   ► So the 11-inch MacBook Air is gone, dead,

00:59:23 ◼   ► no longer for sale.

00:59:25 ◼   ► There are two 13-inch MacBook Air models,

00:59:28 ◼   ► 999 and 1199.

00:59:31 ◼   ► Still for sale.

00:59:32 ◼   ► It's the MacBook Air you could buy yesterday.

00:59:33 ◼   ► It didn't even get a force touch track pad.

00:59:35 ◼   ► It's the same MacBook Air that's been for sale

00:59:36 ◼   ► for a year and a half or so.

00:59:39 ◼   ► No change whatsoever.

00:59:41 ◼   ► The 12 inch MacBook is the same as it was,

00:59:45 ◼   ► 1299 and 1599, so still too expensive

00:59:49 ◼   ► to completely push out the MacBook Air.

00:59:52 ◼   ► I firmly believe the MacBook Airs only exist today

00:59:56 ◼   ► to hit a price point.

00:59:58 ◼   ► That they can't get the MacBook down to 999,

01:00:01 ◼   ► so the Air lives another day.

01:00:05 ◼   ► You then move into the MacBook Pros.

01:00:07 ◼   ► They are still selling what I have dubbed

01:00:09 ◼   ► the classic MacBook Pro,

01:00:10 ◼   ► which the Retina MacBook Pro you could buy yesterday.

01:00:13 ◼   ► So no touch bar, thicker, you know.

01:00:15 ◼   ► - Comes in one color.

01:00:18 ◼   ► - One color, the older style keyboard.

01:00:21 ◼   ► That is still for sale in the 13 and the 15.

01:00:25 ◼   ► So $12.99 and $19.99.

01:00:28 ◼   ► And then you get to the machine,

01:00:29 ◼   ► Myke, you were talking about for $14.99,

01:00:31 ◼   ► you can get a 13 inch MacBook Pro with the new design,

01:00:34 ◼   ► The new display, you can get it in space gray.

01:00:37 ◼   ► It comes with two Thunderbolt 3 ports, so not four,

01:00:40 ◼   ► only two ports and no touch bar and no touch ID.

01:00:43 ◼   ► So it has the hardware function keys like before.

01:00:46 ◼   ► This is the machine that I don't,

01:00:49 ◼   ► I understand why it's there, it's again, it's price.

01:00:52 ◼   ► Because now the cheapest MacBook Pro you can get otherwise

01:00:55 ◼   ► is $1799, which is more than it used to be.

01:00:58 ◼   ► These touch bar machines are more,

01:01:00 ◼   ► several hundred dollars more expensive

01:01:02 ◼   ► the counterparts they replace. But this machine this 1499 MacBook Pro is a weird

01:01:11 ◼   ► weird machine that it's it's has the new design but doesn't have the hallmark

01:01:17 ◼   ► feature of the new design. This is a machine that I firmly believe will exist

01:01:22 ◼   ► for one generation maybe two I don't think this is a long-term product for Apple I

01:01:26 ◼   ► think this is a oh these are too expensive we can't start the MacBook Pro

01:01:30 ◼   ► line at $1,800 we need something in the middle and I think people will buy this

01:01:36 ◼   ► machine we're gonna get to in a minute I'm considering this machine amongst my

01:01:40 ◼   ► many options but it's something that is got to be temporary because it it just

01:01:47 ◼   ► strips out all the cool new stuff and it's kind of a crummy machine the two

01:01:52 ◼   ► ports the keyboard that some people may not like it's just hanging out of that a

01:01:56 ◼   ► a $1500 range, purely for a price.

01:01:59 ◼   ► And then you get super expensive in a hurry.

01:02:02 ◼   ► $1799, $1999, $2400 gets you the 15 inch.

01:02:07 ◼   ► I saw somewhere you can max one out.

01:02:08 ◼   ► Like it's well over $3000 in the United States,

01:02:13 ◼   ► close to four if not over four.

01:02:14 ◼   ► Super expensive machine still.

01:02:16 ◼   ► And it's just a lot of price points.

01:02:18 ◼   ► You look at these in a graph,

01:02:20 ◼   ► there's like a machine every one or $200.

01:02:23 ◼   ► And that's something that Tim Cook's Apple is a big fan of.

01:02:26 ◼   ► I mean, it's similar to the iPad.

01:02:28 ◼   ► - If you max out the 15 inch, you can get to $4,299.

01:02:32 ◼   ► - Woo, that's a bunch of money.

01:02:35 ◼   ► - That's a lot of money.

01:02:37 ◼   ► - So what happened in your neck of the woods

01:02:40 ◼   ► with pricing, Myke?

01:02:41 ◼   ► - Everything went up.

01:02:42 ◼   ► All Macs went up, every single one of them,

01:02:47 ◼   ► which is upsetting.

01:02:50 ◼   ► For example, the Mac Pro went up by 500 pounds.

01:02:55 ◼   ► The Mac Mini went from $399 to $479.

01:03:00 ◼   ► The 4K iMac went from $1199 to $1449.

01:03:05 ◼   ► The iMac 5K went from $1449 to $1749.

01:03:09 ◼   ► And the MacBooks went from, I think it was $1049 to $1249

01:03:14 ◼   ► at the base.

01:03:16 ◼   ► They just put it all up.

01:03:17 ◼   ► And I know why they've done it,

01:03:18 ◼   ► currency fluctuations and that kind of stuff.

01:03:21 ◼   ► But there is a part of me that thinks

01:03:23 ◼   ► putting up the computers that they didn't update now is a little bit unacceptable, especially

01:03:29 ◼   ► the Mac Pro. You should have just not done that one or the Mac Mini, right? If you're

01:03:36 ◼   ► not making enough on those by now, then you know, you shouldn't have done it. It went

01:03:40 ◼   ► up because the exchange rate is different, the economy is very different in Europe now

01:03:44 ◼   ► post Brexit. That's why all this has happened. But it's a real shame that you could have,

01:03:50 ◼   ► I could have woke up this morning and bought a Mac and then it's multiple hundreds of pounds

01:03:55 ◼   ► more expensive a few hours later.

01:03:59 ◼   ► It's just an unfortunate thing that's happened.

01:04:01 ◼   ► They should have just put all these prices up at the same time whenever they were ever

01:04:04 ◼   ► going to do it because the iOS devices this has already happened to.

01:04:08 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean clearly they just used the opportunity when they were using the machine just to refresh

01:04:14 ◼   ► the entire store.

01:04:15 ◼   ► But I agree with you especially on the Mac Pro that's pretty terrible.

01:04:20 ◼   ► and the Mac Pro of course didn't get an update.

01:04:24 ◼   ► I think the consensus now is the next Xeon's

01:04:27 ◼   ► gonna be ready in the spring.

01:04:28 ◼   ► Maybe we'll see a Mac Pro in the spring or at WVDC.

01:04:31 ◼   ► At this point, if it hasn't passed it already,

01:04:35 ◼   ► it's gotta be getting close,

01:04:36 ◼   ► in which if you bought AppleCare on your Mac Pro

01:04:40 ◼   ► and you bought it early,

01:04:41 ◼   ► that AppleCare is like ending pretty soon.

01:04:44 ◼   ► And that's, with no update, it's just really pathetic.

01:04:47 ◼   ► But the Mac Mini didn't get an update

01:04:49 ◼   ► and the iMac didn't get an update either.

01:04:51 ◼   ► And I really figured, even if it didn't get press,

01:04:54 ◼   ► that those two machines were to at least

01:04:57 ◼   ► get Thunderbolt 3 in USB-C.

01:05:00 ◼   ► And there was a late breaking room

01:05:02 ◼   ► where the iMac wasn't ready for whatever reason, who knows.

01:05:07 ◼   ► And the Mac Mini hadn't been updated in so long,

01:05:10 ◼   ► it seems like it's really end of life.

01:05:12 ◼   ► But it's still for sale, you can still buy it.

01:05:14 ◼   ► But the chipset they would put in the Mac Mini is out.

01:05:18 ◼   ► Like they could have done it, there's room in it,

01:05:21 ◼   ► clearly they're not gonna redesign it.

01:05:24 ◼   ► A spec bump there would have been really appreciated,

01:05:26 ◼   ► but they continue to sit.

01:05:28 ◼   ► This is the first time since they've gone retina

01:05:30 ◼   ► that the iMac didn't get a yearly update.

01:05:31 ◼   ► They did 2014 and 2015 a year apart,

01:05:34 ◼   ► so maybe this will be in the spring or WBC at some point.

01:05:38 ◼   ► So that's still okay, but the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro,

01:05:41 ◼   ► like, if you're in the market for a desktop Mac,

01:05:44 ◼   ► the only one that's remotely okay to buy is the iMac,

01:05:47 ◼   ► and even that's probably not a great idea

01:05:49 ◼   ► unless you get refurbished because of the price.

01:05:52 ◼   ► And today was just about notebooks

01:05:54 ◼   ► and really just about one notebook.

01:05:55 ◼   ► And I think it left a lot of people feeling,

01:05:58 ◼   ► including me, that the desktop line just,

01:06:01 ◼   ► like we already had the sense that it wasn't important

01:06:02 ◼   ► and it really feels downplayed now.

01:06:04 ◼   ► Like if you're in the market for a Mac,

01:06:07 ◼   ► unless you wanted to spend a lot of money on a notebook,

01:06:11 ◼   ► your options today are basically the same as they were.

01:06:14 ◼   ► Like you can get a MacBook Air for the same price,

01:06:16 ◼   ► and get a MacBook for the same price,

01:06:18 ◼   ► or you can get a desktop that missed another update,

01:06:21 ◼   ► that made another event without an update.

01:06:24 ◼   ► - I was not expecting us to finish this year

01:06:26 ◼   ► without any of those Macs being updated,

01:06:29 ◼   ► the Mini, the Pro, or the iMac.

01:06:31 ◼   ► - Me neither, and it's, you know,

01:06:34 ◼   ► the Mac Buyer's Guide is still mostly red

01:06:37 ◼   ► because these machines didn't get an update,

01:06:39 ◼   ► and that's a big bummer, and you know,

01:06:42 ◼   ► I like the iMac, I like the Mac Mini,

01:06:44 ◼   ► and to see them continue to languish.

01:06:47 ◼   ► Like, you know, the Mac Minis, particularly interesting

01:06:49 ◼   ► that the last update they actually made it a lot worse.

01:06:53 ◼   ► They got rid of the quad core option.

01:06:54 ◼   ► They remember there's a big run on quad core Mac Minis

01:06:56 ◼   ► and still when they pop up, people jump on them.

01:06:59 ◼   ► But this current one is dual core.

01:07:01 ◼   ► You can't upgrade it inside,

01:07:03 ◼   ► even though the chassis is the same.

01:07:05 ◼   ► They soldered everything, so you can't update it.

01:07:07 ◼   ► And people buy those,

01:07:09 ◼   ► and I think Mac Minis have a really long life.

01:07:11 ◼   ► I think a lot of people will use them like I do

01:07:12 ◼   ► as like a home server or hooked up to your television.

01:07:15 ◼   ► - Or to stream podcasts for a podcast network.

01:07:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, we've got one relay,

01:07:20 ◼   ► the livestream is on one of those quad core Mac minis

01:07:23 ◼   ► that is like, I don't know, like five or six years old now,

01:07:26 ◼   ► and we just put a new drive in it,

01:07:29 ◼   ► but other than that, it's been rock solid.

01:07:31 ◼   ► Like, people are interested in these machines.

01:07:34 ◼   ► Just because they're not exciting to Apple,

01:07:36 ◼   ► or just because they're not the biggest money maker,

01:07:39 ◼   ► doesn't mean that they don't have a fan base

01:07:40 ◼   ► and that there aren't people who are buying them

01:07:43 ◼   ► and would be better served from newer technology.

01:07:46 ◼   ► And it's just a real bummer that it continues to be the case.

01:07:49 ◼   ► - I'm really surprised about the iMac.

01:07:53 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:07:54 ◼   ► - That's the one that surprises me the most.

01:07:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, the rumor about it not being ready,

01:07:58 ◼   ► I mean, I guess you can read that as it's due

01:08:00 ◼   ► and something happened, but the people

01:08:05 ◼   ► who used to buy Mac Pros buy high-end iMacs, right?

01:08:08 ◼   ► Like you have one, we're gonna talk about it in a minute,

01:08:10 ◼   ► I now have one.

01:08:12 ◼   ► We all know developers who have gone

01:08:15 ◼   ► from the Mac Pro to the iMac.

01:08:16 ◼   ► The iMac is, the high end at least,

01:08:17 ◼   ► is a power user machine now.

01:08:20 ◼   ► And so to bring Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C

01:08:23 ◼   ► to your power user notebook,

01:08:26 ◼   ► but to leave your power user desktop behind,

01:08:28 ◼   ► is not ideal.

01:08:30 ◼   ► Maybe they'll get this worked out,

01:08:31 ◼   ► and maybe sometime before the end of the year,

01:08:34 ◼   ► an iMac will get like a PR update,

01:08:36 ◼   ► and it'll be good to go.

01:08:38 ◼   ► But for now it's still dated and that's a real bummer.

01:08:43 ◼   ► Real bummer.

01:08:44 ◼   ► I know Federico's really torn up about it.

01:08:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, very much.

01:08:49 ◼   ► I'm just upset.

01:08:52 ◼   ► - I know, you're speechless with--

01:08:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I don't even wanna talk about it.

01:08:56 ◼   ► - So Federico, at one point we spoke about

01:09:05 ◼   ► your MacBook Air and it's seen better days.

01:09:09 ◼   ► I think at one point we talked about,

01:09:12 ◼   ► does a Mac Mini make sense for Federico?

01:09:14 ◼   ► That you could put your betas on,

01:09:16 ◼   ► I know you don't need to do that anymore,

01:09:17 ◼   ► but you could have a Mac for the few Mac things you need,

01:09:19 ◼   ► but a Mac Mini would be super cheap.

01:09:22 ◼   ► Do you have any interest in doing that at this point?

01:09:24 ◼   ► - What's the best Mac that I can buy that runs Skype?

01:09:28 ◼   ► Can you tell me?

01:09:30 ◼   ► - Probably a MacBook. - The cheapest Mac.

01:09:31 ◼   ► Yeah, probably the MacBook. - I guess.

01:09:34 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, this MacBook Air is really reaching the end of its life.

01:09:40 ◼   ► It's five years old, it's missing a key, the top rope, sometimes off the keyboard doesn't

01:09:46 ◼   ► work.

01:09:47 ◼   ► It's slow, when it runs modern apps like Slack for example, you can hear the fans.

01:09:51 ◼   ► I mean, it keeps me warm in the winter and it makes me sweaty in the summer, but I guess

01:09:57 ◼   ► within the next year it will die for good.

01:10:01 ◼   ► You know what, maybe you should just buy a MacBook Air.

01:10:04 ◼   ► Is this supposed to be a joke?

01:10:07 ◼   ► No, I'm being serious. It's the cheapest.

01:10:10 ◼   ► You have regular USB ports in it so you don't need adapters.

01:10:14 ◼   ► You still have MagSafe and 12-hour battery life. I think you should probably get another MacBook Air.

01:10:19 ◼   ► How much does it cost? Let me find out. Let me go to the

01:10:22 ◼   ► Italian website. He's gonna go look.

01:10:25 ◼   ► I was gonna ask about the Mac Mini because I think at one point we talked about that.

01:10:29 ◼   ► Even now you're choosing between

01:10:33 ◼   ► older machines.

01:10:35 ◼   ► My point in all of this is that Apple really didn't fix

01:10:39 ◼   ► the problem with the Mac line today.

01:10:42 ◼   ► They fixed the problem with the MacBook Pro,

01:10:44 ◼   ► but the Mac line in general is still

01:10:47 ◼   ► about as sad as it was before the Hello Again event.

01:10:54 ◼   ► And I was hoping that this would not be the case.

01:10:57 ◼   ► I was hoping to come on here today and be talking about

01:10:58 ◼   ► six different machines and being super excited

01:11:00 ◼   ► about everything.

01:11:01 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:11:02 ◼   ► I'm excited about the MacBook Pro, but the rest of it still makes me sad

01:11:05 ◼   ► the MacBook Air 13 inch with 128 gigabytes of storage is

01:11:11 ◼   ► 1100 euros

01:11:13 ◼   ► That's way too expensive. Yeah, I mean I can buy a MacBook for less

01:11:18 ◼   ► I think no the MacBook's more expensive now. This is part of the the price hike

01:11:23 ◼   ► You got brexit in yeah, the MacBook now the standard MacBook is 1500 euro

01:11:30 ◼   ► Wait what he had the standard MacBook is 1500 euro now. Yeah, they put them up they all went up today

01:11:37 ◼   ► Is this because of you people Myke don't you people me?

01:11:42 ◼   ► I've been getting a lot of this today a lot of people blaming me for some reason for their computers being more expensive

01:11:55 ◼   ► Yeah, you're the only British person they know it's your scapegoat

01:12:00 ◼   ► The dagger in the heart, I think though,

01:12:03 ◼   ► is the LG Ultrafine 5K display.

01:12:07 ◼   ► So we have a couple links in the show notes.

01:12:09 ◼   ► According to Phil Schiller, on stage,

01:12:12 ◼   ► Apple worked with LG to design this display.

01:12:15 ◼   ► So it uses Thunderbolt 3.

01:12:17 ◼   ► See if any of this sounds familiar.

01:12:18 ◼   ► Close your eyes, unless you're driving.

01:12:20 ◼   ► If you're driving, keep your eyes open.

01:12:22 ◼   ► And see what display comes into mind.

01:12:25 ◼   ► You can hook your MacBook up or your MacBook Pro up to it.

01:12:28 ◼   ► It can charge and move data across the single cable.

01:12:32 ◼   ► You can plug in all sorts of stuff

01:12:34 ◼   ► to the back of the display, almost as if it were like a dock.

01:12:37 ◼   ► They reinvented the Thunderbolt display,

01:12:40 ◼   ► but it's LG branded and it's not Apple branded.

01:12:45 ◼   ► And it looks like a great display.

01:12:46 ◼   ► If I was going to buy a new MacBook Pro

01:12:48 ◼   ► and a new external display, I would look at this, right?

01:12:50 ◼   ► Because Apple doesn't have a solution.

01:12:52 ◼   ► But what this says to me is that Apple's,

01:12:55 ◼   ► I don't think Apple's gonna make a display at this point.

01:12:57 ◼   ► I thought that they may.

01:12:58 ◼   ► And you know, when they first shipped the Mac Pro,

01:13:02 ◼   ► I think they pointed to LG's, hey, it's 4K.

01:13:04 ◼   ► If you want a 4K display, go over here and buy it.

01:13:06 ◼   ► But we all thought that they would get around to it.

01:13:08 ◼   ► And today would have been the day to do it.

01:13:11 ◼   ► When you have your new MacBook Pro,

01:13:12 ◼   ► you're talking about Final Cut and Photoshop

01:13:15 ◼   ► and all this stuff, pros want a MacBook Pro

01:13:17 ◼   ► and a big display, today is the day to announce it.

01:13:20 ◼   ► And what do they do?

01:13:20 ◼   ► They announce an LG that they partnered with.

01:13:23 ◼   ► And I think they're just done.

01:13:25 ◼   ► I think they're done with the display business.

01:13:27 ◼   ► And that makes me sad because, you know,

01:13:29 ◼   ► the Thunderbolt display was really nice

01:13:31 ◼   ► for a really long time.

01:13:32 ◼   ► And the displays before that were really nice.

01:13:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't think we're gonna see a retina display.

01:13:36 ◼   ► I think this is it now. - No.

01:13:38 ◼   ► This has gotta be it.

01:13:39 ◼   ► There's people in the chat

01:13:41 ◼   ► who are talking about external GPU monitors.

01:13:42 ◼   ► I don't know about any of that.

01:13:43 ◼   ► I don't know what this has in it.

01:13:44 ◼   ► But the fact that Apple worked with them

01:13:46 ◼   ► and it got keynote time,

01:13:48 ◼   ► and you can buy it from Apple on their online store,

01:13:51 ◼   ► like, this seems like this is the direction

01:13:53 ◼   ► Apple's going in.

01:13:53 ◼   ► They're gonna point you to other places for a display.

01:13:57 ◼   ► Because you know they could have done the LG one today, and they could have said and if you want an apple branded one

01:14:02 ◼   ► you know with built-in eyesight camera and built-in speakers and

01:14:07 ◼   ► Maybe more IO or something else cool that it does you know we have an option as well

01:14:11 ◼   ► And it's $500 and more that have been totally fine

01:14:13 ◼   ► You have a cheap LG version or less expensive not cheap less expensive LG option

01:14:18 ◼   ► You have like a really nice Apple option, but it's just the one and

01:14:21 ◼   ► At this point if they release a new cinema display at some point

01:14:25 ◼   ► I will be shocked. This seems like they're going third-party options only.

01:14:29 ◼   ► Which again, totes bummer.

01:14:32 ◼   ► I don't think they sell enough of the computers that connect to this.

01:14:36 ◼   ► Can I ask you guys a question before we move towards the end? But you gotta be honest.

01:14:42 ◼   ► Yes.

01:14:43 ◼   ► Okay. So, there was a Microsoft event yesterday.

01:14:48 ◼   ► Ha, ha. I was gonna bring this up.

01:14:50 ◼   ► Apple event today. Now be honest, which event left you more excited?

01:14:55 ◼   ► So I didn't watch the Microsoft event but I have spent, I've just like watched a couple of videos

01:15:04 ◼   ► about the Surface Studio. I'm more excited about that computer because with the way that I

01:15:14 ◼   ► personally work the work that I do on a Mac.

01:15:17 ◼   ► I edit audio and I edit video

01:15:20 ◼   ► and I do them using a Wacom tablet and a track pad.

01:15:25 ◼   ► I imagine a beautiful world in which I would use a pen

01:15:29 ◼   ► on a screen and my hands to move everything around.

01:15:33 ◼   ► For the work that I do, this is a fantastic machine for me.

01:15:38 ◼   ► It just has one big problem in that it doesn't run

01:15:40 ◼   ► the operating system that I wanna use.

01:15:43 ◼   ► And the thing is, right, I was thinking about today, if I used Adobe's products,

01:15:48 ◼   ► if I used Premiere and Audition, I would probably buy one of these computers

01:15:52 ◼   ► because my Mac is for a specific purpose now is to do those two things.

01:16:00 ◼   ► It's all I do with it.

01:16:01 ◼   ► If I used multi-platform applications, that would suffice.

01:16:08 ◼   ► If Apple made Final Cut and Logic for Windows and it was good, then I would be able to use

01:16:14 ◼   ► a device like this.

01:16:15 ◼   ► Just because for the way that I use inputs, the input methods that I use, this computer

01:16:22 ◼   ► has been designed around where I am bringing in 50% of it, a third party peripheral to

01:16:29 ◼   ► my Mac which is pretty well supported.

01:16:34 ◼   ► So I'm more excited about that computer personally.

01:16:37 ◼   ► If Apple made it, if Apple brought this out,

01:16:39 ◼   ► my iMac would already be in the trash.

01:16:41 ◼   ► Like I would buy this computer so fast

01:16:44 ◼   ► because it's the type of,

01:16:46 ◼   ► it has the input methods that I prefer to use for,

01:16:51 ◼   ► I use them for comfort, I use them for RSI,

01:16:54 ◼   ► and now I'm faster with them.

01:16:56 ◼   ► And I have my kind of,

01:16:57 ◼   ► my workflow is built around them on this machine.

01:17:00 ◼   ► And for me, it is purely because like my Mac

01:17:03 ◼   ► is a production tool.

01:17:04 ◼   ► So it can't all of the other software on my Mac does not matter if it's not used to produce audio and it's not produced

01:17:11 ◼   ► It's not made to produce video. It doesn't matter like it just doesn't matter. So there you go. I

01:17:16 ◼   ► Think I think the surface studio is super interesting and I tweeted the other day that like

01:17:26 ◼   ► Apple hasn't really pushed the boundaries of the iMac in a long time

01:17:30 ◼   ► that the iMac that we have today is more or less the iMac G5, right?

01:17:35 ◼   ► It's an LCD with a foot and the computer on the back of it.

01:17:38 ◼   ► It's gotten skinnier and the display's gotten way better.

01:17:40 ◼   ► But the form factor hasn't changed.

01:17:42 ◼   ► Since really the G4 is the last one that was innovative as far as a

01:17:46 ◼   ► form perspective.

01:17:49 ◼   ► And I don't know if this machine is going to take off.

01:17:51 ◼   ► I think that there are gonna be people who really like it, people who like to work the way Myke does with a pen and

01:17:56 ◼   ► with his hands.

01:17:57 ◼   ► And I'm not saying Apple should copy it.

01:18:01 ◼   ► I'm not saying the iMac should do that.

01:18:05 ◼   ► What I am saying is that it would be interesting to see Apple expand some of the technology

01:18:11 ◼   ► it already has.

01:18:12 ◼   ► It's like, why can't I use an Apple Pencil on the giant trackpad on this new MacBook

01:18:17 ◼   ► Pro?

01:18:19 ◼   ► why can't I at least have the option

01:18:22 ◼   ► of an iPad that's even bigger than 12.9 inches

01:18:28 ◼   ► that you could edit on comfortably at your desk

01:18:31 ◼   ► and hunch over and use both hands comfortably.

01:18:34 ◼   ► I'm not saying those machines are for everybody.

01:18:39 ◼   ► I don't want a touch-enabled Mac.

01:18:42 ◼   ► A, Mac OS is nowhere near ready for touch

01:18:44 ◼   ► as far as a user interface,

01:18:46 ◼   ► But there are people who do want to be more in the middle.

01:18:50 ◼   ► And having options there is good.

01:18:52 ◼   ► And honestly, when they showed that big track pad today,

01:18:56 ◼   ► I was like, "Oh, what if you could use a pencil with it?"

01:18:58 ◼   ► That would be really, really interesting.

01:19:02 ◼   ► You could edit at a MacBook Pro with your pencil mic.

01:19:04 ◼   ► Like that would be a big change, potentially,

01:19:08 ◼   ► for someone who works like you.

01:19:10 ◼   ► But they're not doing it.

01:19:11 ◼   ► They are really locked into their form factors.

01:19:13 ◼   ► The MacBook Pro we have today,

01:19:16 ◼   ► kind of the same design since 1991.

01:19:17 ◼   ► And I'm not saying change it for change's sake,

01:19:19 ◼   ► I'm not saying the Surface Studio's gonna be a giant hit,

01:19:21 ◼   ► I don't think it will be, I think it'll be a niche product.

01:19:24 ◼   ► But we don't see Apple take risks

01:19:26 ◼   ► with their hardware like that,

01:19:28 ◼   ► and I think that it's super interesting

01:19:32 ◼   ► that Microsoft is taking a big run

01:19:34 ◼   ► at creative professionals on the desktop,

01:19:36 ◼   ► and that was Apple's bread and butter for like 20 years.

01:19:41 ◼   ► - So I've been thinking about this.

01:19:43 ◼   ► This product reminds me of your iMac.

01:19:47 ◼   ► And it's interesting to me, like this Surface Studio,

01:19:52 ◼   ► when I say your iMac, obviously mean the G3, right? Like I think, right.

01:19:56 ◼   ► This product will not sell in large volumes,

01:20:00 ◼   ► but Microsoft is targeting the creative professional.

01:20:04 ◼   ► This was what Apple did to bring themselves back to the fore, right?

01:20:08 ◼   ► Like everybody can agree that the iMac G3 put them on the path

01:20:13 ◼   ► that made them the most successful computer company in the world.

01:20:16 ◼   ► It's not saying that anybody that follows that could do that, you know, lightning in

01:20:20 ◼   ► a bottle and all that, but that was what did it.

01:20:23 ◼   ► If I'm Sacha Nadella, maybe this is what I will try as well.

01:20:27 ◼   ► Like I want to be seen as the most innovative, dominant computer maker in the world again.

01:20:33 ◼   ► So why don't I go back to basics and start over?

01:20:36 ◼   ► I will say that like the Surface Book, whilst interesting, is not as exciting to me as the

01:20:41 ◼   ► MacBook Pro.

01:20:42 ◼   ► Right? Like it's not Windows, it's not Surface, that computer.

01:20:46 ◼   ► The Surface Studio is more interesting to me than the MacBook Pro.

01:20:49 ◼   ► But Apple's for Apple's sake, right? Like the laptops that they released?

01:20:53 ◼   ► I don't want that. I want a MacBook Pro.

01:20:55 ◼   ► I don't want the Surface Book, even though I think that is a very cool looking device.

01:20:59 ◼   ► It doesn't give me what I'm looking for.

01:21:00 ◼   ► The reason I think the Studio is interesting,

01:21:03 ◼   ► it's just with the way that I work, the tools that I use, it fits me better.

01:21:07 ◼   ► But I'm not going to be moving.

01:21:08 ◼   ► Was that the answer you expected Federico?

01:21:10 ◼   ► Yes, it's a very good answer. I ask because I have no interest in either Pro Max or the Surface Studio.

01:21:20 ◼   ► I just feel like it feels like something new, and I mean the studio, in a maybe deeper way than a Touch Bar.

01:21:33 ◼   ► I think the Touch Bar is awesome. I think it makes total sense for the MacBook.

01:21:38 ◼   ► it's a very clever way, as I said, of bringing iOS to macOS. But the Surface Studio, just

01:21:44 ◼   ► judging only from the video, it feels like something new. And maybe in practice it'll

01:21:49 ◼   ► be terrible, maybe there's going to be some seriously bad flaw with the hardware, I don't

01:21:53 ◼   ► know. But I saw the Penny Arcade guy with his review, it sounds like a fantastic computer

01:22:03 ◼   ► if you're into that line of work, and it looks different. And so that's why I wanted to

01:22:08 ◼   ► ask because the touch bar is also different but I feel like the Surface Studio, Microsoft

01:22:13 ◼   ► is doing good work in, you know, trying things differently which is kind of weird to say

01:22:20 ◼   ► of Microsoft but that's where we've ended up I guess.

01:22:23 ◼   ► Yeah, that's kind of where they are as a company right now because they have a visionary CEO

01:22:30 ◼   ► I think in the Della. So I was going, I've been talking for weeks about the fact that

01:22:38 ◼   ► I was waiting for the next laptops to be released and then I was going to be replacing my MacBook

01:22:42 ◼   ► Pro right? That's been the plan for a while because I want a more purpose travel machine.

01:22:49 ◼   ► I want something that's thinner, something that's lighter. So I looked at the MacBook

01:22:53 ◼   ► Pro, it's thinner, it's lighter, it has the touch bar which I think looks really cool

01:22:57 ◼   ► it has all of the power. Now I am not buying a MacBook Pro and there are two reasons. One,

01:23:04 ◼   ► price is a reason, right? But I had saved up enough money, I put aside enough money

01:23:09 ◼   ► to buy a professional laptop so the increased price from what I thought I would be is not

01:23:17 ◼   ► a lot more based on what I'd saved, right? They're expensive but you know it was going

01:23:22 ◼   ► be something that's going to last me multiple years. One of the main reasons I've decided

01:23:28 ◼   ► to not go for the MacBook Pro is the main advancement will be no benefit to me, the

01:23:34 ◼   ► Touch Bar, because I will only use this machine a handful of times a year, where I maybe will

01:23:40 ◼   ► use it for a couple of months a year in total. I can't get used to it. I can't allow myself

01:23:49 ◼   ► to get used to that because I can't use it for the rest of the year right it's

01:23:55 ◼   ► not a good thing for me to have this like split experience like that so

01:24:01 ◼   ► that's the main reason so I bought a MacBook I bought a gold MacBook I bought

01:24:08 ◼   ► the the one that the higher tier up so the MacBook adorable like the what is it

01:24:16 ◼   ► I can't even remember what it is. It's like 1.3 gigahertz or something. It's nothing.

01:24:20 ◼   ► But I went on to the Apple website and saw that the prices had gone up and I was unhappy about that

01:24:28 ◼   ► because I could have just bought it this morning and it would have been getting the same computer.

01:24:33 ◼   ► So I thought to myself, well Apple have put the price up. Apple is not the only place that you can buy a MacBook from.

01:24:41 ◼   ► So I bought it from a department store chain here called John Lewis at yesterday's price

01:24:47 ◼   ► So I saved I say 300 pounds, which was very happy. I was very proud of myself for doing that

01:24:53 ◼   ► I'm now will spend that savings on adapters

01:24:56 ◼   ► But this machine this is the machine that I think will be the best for me

01:25:01 ◼   ► It's going to be really upset when I want to edit podcasts and video on this

01:25:05 ◼   ► but I can live with that because what I will be doing is

01:25:11 ◼   ► reducing the space needed in a bag and the weight significantly, which really is the

01:25:18 ◼   ► key thing that I need to do when I'm traveling. So there you go. That's what I have. I got

01:25:21 ◼   ► a MacBook.

01:25:24 ◼   ► So we haven't even talked about it on the show yet, but I, several weeks ago, picked

01:25:28 ◼   ► up a refurbished 5K iMac from Apple. You can buy a refurbished machine. They warranted

01:25:33 ◼   ► them as new, which is really nice. So I got a pretty loaded iMac for like $600 off. And

01:25:40 ◼   ► I figured if they update them today, it'd be a little bit of a bummer, but I already

01:25:44 ◼   ► have a ton of like USB Thunderbolt stuff.

01:25:48 ◼   ► And you know, my studio setup is pretty stable at this point, so I won't be changing out

01:25:53 ◼   ► a lot of stuff.

01:25:54 ◼   ► And so, sold the 15-inch MacBook Pro that I've had the last year and a half.

01:25:58 ◼   ► And so I too am in the market for something thin and light to travel with.

01:26:02 ◼   ► And I do some other stuff in town where I need a laptop, but I don't need a 15-inch

01:26:08 ◼   ► MacBook Pro.

01:26:09 ◼   ► is now my main machine, the MacBook would be secondary.

01:26:13 ◼   ► And so I like you waiting till today's event

01:26:17 ◼   ► to see what's gonna happen.

01:26:19 ◼   ► And I am really, really on the fence about what to do.

01:26:23 ◼   ► The 13 inch with the touch bar of course is enticing

01:26:25 ◼   ► to have the new technology.

01:26:27 ◼   ► It's still thin and light, it's in the class

01:26:30 ◼   ► of the MacBook Air, it's actually a little bit

01:26:32 ◼   ► smaller footprint.

01:26:33 ◼   ► And it looks nice, but it's $1800 is hard to justify

01:26:38 ◼   ► for a secondary computer.

01:26:40 ◼   ► I could do it, it's in the budget,

01:26:41 ◼   ► but I'm not quite sold on that yet.

01:26:44 ◼   ► And again, being a secondary machine,

01:26:47 ◼   ► the Touch Bar stuff may only get in the way.

01:26:51 ◼   ► It may be that because I don't have it on the iMac

01:26:53 ◼   ► where I'm working every day,

01:26:54 ◼   ► that I don't really ever get the benefit of it

01:26:56 ◼   ► on the notebook, and that maybe it's frustrating

01:26:59 ◼   ► to have it one place and not the other.

01:27:02 ◼   ► And so then I considered the super strange

01:27:07 ◼   ► new MacBook Pro, new design without the touch bar.

01:27:11 ◼   ► It's got the function key still, it's cheaper,

01:27:14 ◼   ► still thin and light, still pretty powerful,

01:27:17 ◼   ► but it'd have a retina display, which would be nice.

01:27:21 ◼   ► But still adapting, and for things that I need on the road,

01:27:24 ◼   ► having things like an SD card slot and USB-A

01:27:26 ◼   ► are still pretty nice, pretty common things I do

01:27:30 ◼   ► if I'm on the road doing podcasting or live events

01:27:32 ◼   ► or something like that.

01:27:33 ◼   ► And so I turned to the MacBook Air.

01:27:36 ◼   ► Same as it was yesterday.

01:27:37 ◼   ► It's cheap, the display's really crummy,

01:27:40 ◼   ► but it has USB ports, it's Thunderbolt port,

01:27:43 ◼   ► has an SD card slot, still obviously thin and light,

01:27:46 ◼   ► and still works with all the other stuff I have

01:27:49 ◼   ► for the iMac.

01:27:50 ◼   ► So I'm not talking about, you know,

01:27:51 ◼   ► oh, if I take my USB interface with me,

01:27:55 ◼   ► I need to remember to take the adapter or a different cable

01:27:58 ◼   ► than if I'm at home and I'm using the cable on the desk.

01:28:01 ◼   ► And so I haven't made a decision yet.

01:28:05 ◼   ► the MacBook Air would be the cheapest

01:28:06 ◼   ► and probably the easiest to live with,

01:28:09 ◼   ► but I know that I'm a nerd and I know that

01:28:12 ◼   ► at some point I will want to try the new stuff.

01:28:16 ◼   ► And so the MacBook Pros call to me as well.

01:28:19 ◼   ► And since they are more or less the same size and weight,

01:28:24 ◼   ► that really only complicates it.

01:28:26 ◼   ► 'Cause I want something that's light and thin.

01:28:28 ◼   ► I don't want the MacBook.

01:28:30 ◼   ► I would like more than one port.

01:28:32 ◼   ► I would like a more powerful processor.

01:28:35 ◼   ► So for me, the Air versus the Pro conversation

01:28:37 ◼   ► is really tricky, and I've been without a laptop now

01:28:41 ◼   ► for a couple weeks, and it's been okay, I've gotten by,

01:28:45 ◼   ► but the new MacBook Pros in the US are shipping

01:28:48 ◼   ► two to three weeks out, that was a couple hours ago,

01:28:50 ◼   ► it may be longer now, and so can I wait, you know,

01:28:54 ◼   ► another couple of weeks, or do I get the MacBook Pro

01:28:58 ◼   ► that's cheaper, still light and thin,

01:29:00 ◼   ► but has regular function keys?

01:29:02 ◼   ► I really don't know, like I don't know what I'm going to do.

01:29:05 ◼   ► I'm gonna try to make a decision this weekend,

01:29:07 ◼   ► but it's really confusing.

01:29:10 ◼   ► Like when we went through the price stuff

01:29:12 ◼   ► a couple minutes ago, there's a lot of options now.

01:29:15 ◼   ► And if you're looking for a 13-inch laptop,

01:29:18 ◼   ► you got a lot of options, more than ever.

01:29:23 ◼   ► And if you count the 12 inch being pretty close to size,

01:29:25 ◼   ► you got even more.

01:29:26 ◼   ► And so I think Apple will end up simplifying the line.

01:29:31 ◼   ► I can see a world in which the MacBook Air goes away

01:29:36 ◼   ► and I kinda wonder if the MacBook Air was gone,

01:29:40 ◼   ► if this non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

01:29:44 ◼   ► may have been called the MacBook Air

01:29:45 ◼   ► or may have been called MacBook.

01:29:47 ◼   ► The names are all really confusing right now,

01:29:49 ◼   ► but I'm really on the fence.

01:29:51 ◼   ► So I've gone over pros and cons

01:29:55 ◼   ► and we'll see where I end up.

01:29:57 ◼   ► But even for somebody like me

01:29:59 ◼   ► who knows what they're looking at

01:30:00 ◼   ► and kind of knows what they want to a degree,

01:30:02 ◼   ► it's still a confusing time.

01:30:04 ◼   ► - I think the practical decision is the Air.

01:30:09 ◼   ► - Probably.

01:30:10 ◼   ► - But knowing you as I do,

01:30:12 ◼   ► I know you're never gonna be happy with that.

01:30:14 ◼   ► - Probably.

01:30:15 ◼   ► - And you'll buy the Air

01:30:16 ◼   ► and then just buy the MacBook Pro six months later.

01:30:18 ◼   ► - Probably.

01:30:19 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:30:20 ◼   ► So I think you should just buy the MacBook Pro

01:30:22 ◼   ► and then the bags of dongles you're gonna need.

01:30:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, and you know what I may do is,

01:30:28 ◼   ► try it without the touch bar and see if that's enough.

01:30:32 ◼   ► You know, because not having the touch bar on both machines

01:30:36 ◼   ► really feels like it's going to be frustrating that when I edit

01:30:40 ◼   ► on the laptop or when I'm working on the laptop that I'm going to get used to it

01:30:44 ◼   ► and then I'm going to want it on the iMac or that it really gets in the way

01:30:48 ◼   ► on the MacBook because I'm not used to it. And so for me

01:30:52 ◼   ► what I may end up doing is the MacBook Pro without it, I can get it much sooner

01:30:56 ◼   ► and I'm not in a world where I have it one place

01:30:59 ◼   ► and not the other, and then if they ever add to the iMac

01:31:01 ◼   ► through external keyboard or something,

01:31:03 ◼   ► then look at doing it.

01:31:05 ◼   ► It also makes that machine $300 cheaper,

01:31:07 ◼   ► and for a secondary machine, that is a factor, right?

01:31:12 ◼   ► Especially if I'm wanting to do AppleCare, so.

01:31:15 ◼   ► We'll see, I guess I'll follow up with that next week.

01:31:17 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:31:19 ◼   ► All right, you asked the listeners on some connected QA,

01:31:21 ◼   ► do you wanna run through those before we finish?

01:31:23 ◼   ► - Sure, so I just pulled out three.

01:31:25 ◼   ► There's a lot of overlap.

01:31:26 ◼   ► The first one being, "Is anyone worried about accidentally shutting down the Mac when using

01:31:30 ◼   ► Touch ID?"

01:31:31 ◼   ► So the word on the street is the Touch ID sensor is also the power button.

01:31:35 ◼   ► My guess is that it only works as a Touch ID button when Mac OS tells it to, so at login

01:31:44 ◼   ► or during Apple Pay.

01:31:49 ◼   ► Now maybe with fast view searching it's always listening, but right now if you click the

01:31:54 ◼   ► power button on a laptop, you actually have to like hold it down and then then after you

01:32:01 ◼   ► hold down for like three seconds the system asks are you sure you want to shut down your

01:32:04 ◼   ► computer now and you have options like sleep or restart or cancel or shut down.

01:32:08 ◼   ► And so you're not going to accidentally turn the computer off because you're gonna have

01:32:12 ◼   ► to like hold and press or maybe you have to hold function and then press it.

01:32:17 ◼   ► I don't really know but I'm not worried about accidentally like turning it off.

01:32:20 ◼   ► I would like to think that if there is a touch ID purchase needed at least like you know

01:32:26 ◼   ► an Apple Pay purchase like that you wouldn't be able to turn it off at that moment.

01:32:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:32:32 ◼   ► You know I don't know.

01:32:33 ◼   ► So the second one from Steven FCB talking about the dongles I get how to charge my iPhone

01:32:38 ◼   ► on this laptop.

01:32:39 ◼   ► Apple does sell a USB to lightning cable it's like 20 bucks or you can get a USB C to USB

01:32:45 ◼   ► A adapter which if you're gonna buy any adapters that's probably the one you're gonna buy so

01:32:49 ◼   ► you can hook up all your regular USB stuff.

01:32:50 ◼   ► So totally doable, it's super weird the iPhone, like the iPhone is a weird product because

01:32:55 ◼   ► they can't put USB-C lightning cables in the box because there are only some Apple machines

01:33:00 ◼   ► and high-end PCs using USB-C.

01:33:02 ◼   ► Like most people, if they plug an iPhone into a computer at all, it's probably a PC where

01:33:08 ◼   ► USB-C has not made great inroads yet.

01:33:09 ◼   ► So I think it may be a while before you get USB-C in the box, but you can buy a lightning

01:33:13 ◼   ► cable.

01:33:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I think we all use those, right?

01:33:17 ◼   ► we have the fast charger for the iPad.

01:33:20 ◼   ► That is the USB-C to Lightning.

01:33:23 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:33:23 ◼   ► So they're definitely out there,

01:33:26 ◼   ► and I think that's,

01:33:27 ◼   ► it's just gonna be a little weird if you buy this,

01:33:29 ◼   ► you're gonna need to buy a cable.

01:33:31 ◼   ► The last one was about the naming,

01:33:33 ◼   ► about, you know, talking about the MacBook

01:33:37 ◼   ► versus MacBook Pro versus MacBook Air.

01:33:39 ◼   ► This is from Brando.

01:33:40 ◼   ► Do you think Apple screwed up the naming?

01:33:44 ◼   ► 12 inch should be Air, 13th function keys MacBook,

01:33:46 ◼   ► 13 to 15 with Touch Bar Pro.

01:33:48 ◼   ► I think the naming would be more clear

01:33:51 ◼   ► if they started out this way,

01:33:52 ◼   ► but remember the naming is like generations old.

01:33:56 ◼   ► And the MacBook Air name comes from 2008

01:33:58 ◼   ► when it really was way thinner,

01:34:00 ◼   ► way lighter than anything else.

01:34:02 ◼   ► And it's just like baggage from the past.

01:34:04 ◼   ► And the MacBook Air will go away at some point

01:34:08 ◼   ► and it'll be the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.

01:34:11 ◼   ► And I think that middle MacBook Pro without the Touch Bar

01:34:13 ◼   ► will eventually go away too.

01:34:14 ◼   ► So they are on the track to sanity,

01:34:16 ◼   ► they're just not quite there yet.

01:34:18 ◼   ► - I think the next time that these computers get updated,

01:34:21 ◼   ► we'll lose both the Air and that weird MacBook,

01:34:23 ◼   ► the Function Key MacBook that will go, as you say.

01:34:26 ◼   ► They will both go away and then we'll just,

01:34:28 ◼   ► there was a time where it was just MacBook and MacBook Pro

01:34:30 ◼   ► and then products have come and gone, right,

01:34:33 ◼   ► out of that lineup and they've shuffled the names

01:34:35 ◼   ► around over time.

01:34:36 ◼   ► I think that we're in a transition period

01:34:39 ◼   ► from a branding perspective as well as everything else.

01:34:42 ◼   ► Yeah and it is more awkward than it was yesterday no doubt but it's just something that they

01:34:48 ◼   ► just have to work through.

01:34:49 ◼   ► All right if you want to catch our show notes for this week go to relay.fm/connected/114

01:34:56 ◼   ► thank you so much to Smile for sponsoring this week's episode.

01:34:59 ◼   ► If you want to find Federico's online Federico's online you can find him on the line.

01:35:05 ◼   ► He is uh where are you maxstories.net that's the that's the one right?

01:35:10 ◼   ► I think that's where you're right.

01:35:12 ◼   ► That's my website, yes.

01:35:13 ◼   ► Okay, good.

01:35:14 ◼   ► On the line.

01:35:15 ◼   ► And Steven is at 512pixels.net.

01:35:18 ◼   ► Federico is @Vittucci on Twitter, V-I-T-I-C-C-I.

01:35:21 ◼   ► Steven is @ismh and I am @imike.

01:35:26 ◼   ► As always, thank you for listening.

01:35:28 ◼   ► I am not going to be here next week, it's just the two of you.

01:35:30 ◼   ► I am going to be on location at the All Conference in Ireland.

01:35:35 ◼   ► Me and Jason will be recording Upgrade from All and we'll get his opinions on all of this

01:35:40 ◼   ► stuff because he's actually had his hands on those machines as well in the

01:35:43 ◼   ► in the reviewers area so looking forward to talking about that and I will have a

01:35:47 ◼   ► MacBook as well by a point. Hooray for me! Thank you so much for listening everyone

01:35:53 ◼   ► we'll be back next time until then say goodbye guys.

01:35:55 ◼   ► Adios.