119: Tiered Levels of Surprise
00:00:06
◼
►
from relay FM this is connected episode 119 today's show is brought to you by
00:00:11
◼
►
Foote Cardigan mail route and away my name is Myke Hurley I am joined by Mr. Steven Hackett
00:00:17
◼
►
hey so we're doing a round robin I think it's round robin um in regards to who's on the show
00:00:24
◼
►
at the moment round robin so the listeners know we all had a terrible falling out
00:00:29
◼
►
So now only two of us can be on the show at one time.
00:00:32
◼
►
All three of us are on the show, we just argue.
00:00:36
◼
►
That's what happens.
00:00:37
◼
►
- It's been a strange couple of weeks,
00:00:38
◼
►
but we should all be back next time.
00:00:41
◼
►
- Who knows though, man, I'm moving house.
00:00:42
◼
►
Like, I don't know where I'm gonna be
00:00:45
◼
►
over the next few weeks.
00:00:46
◼
►
- Well, we'll see how it goes.
00:00:47
◼
►
That's the beauty of connected.
00:00:49
◼
►
It can happen with any two of us.
00:00:51
◼
►
- Yep, we all stay connected.
00:00:52
◼
►
That's where it comes from, connected.
00:00:57
◼
►
- I'm just gonna do follow up now.
00:00:58
◼
►
Yeah, let's talk about the thing that just keeps coming up.
00:01:01
◼
►
Yeah, so this 10.9 inch iPad Pro is back in the news.
00:01:05
◼
►
And I feel like we're the only ones talking about this,
00:01:08
◼
►
which I find interesting.
00:01:08
◼
►
I think we're the only ones that really care.
00:01:10
◼
►
Just don't care.
00:01:11
◼
►
I think the two of you are the only people who really care.
00:01:14
◼
►
So this new report says that it will be nearly bezel free.
00:01:20
◼
►
Same overall footprint of the current 9.7 inch iPad Pro,
00:01:23
◼
►
which we have been talking about.
00:01:28
◼
►
interesting part is that it will be thicker
00:01:33
◼
►
apple, what you doin' apple? That's not what they do
00:01:35
◼
►
yeah so this is interesting this report comes from mac
00:01:39
◼
►
uh... via mac rumors
00:01:41
◼
►
and it seems that they're saying that both the refreshed ipads so the current
00:01:46
◼
►
nine point seven
00:01:48
◼
►
uh... will stay the same but the new ones maybe this ten nine and the new twelve
00:01:52
◼
►
nine will both be thicker
00:01:55
◼
►
Now I assume that there's some kind of display technology
00:01:57
◼
►
thing going on here.
00:01:58
◼
►
- Well, my thought is that there's stuff
00:02:02
◼
►
behind those bezels.
00:02:03
◼
►
And if you get rid of the bezels, especially the bottom one,
00:02:06
◼
►
that stuff has to go somewhere else.
00:02:09
◼
►
- That's a really good point.
00:02:10
◼
►
- So they've got to like rearrange stuff a little bit.
00:02:14
◼
►
It's like packing a suitcase, right?
00:02:16
◼
►
And then you come back from San Francisco
00:02:18
◼
►
and you have more stuff so you have to rearrange it.
00:02:20
◼
►
- Yeah, that's just what it's like to build an iPad.
00:02:23
◼
►
It's basically just packing a suitcase.
00:02:26
◼
►
- It's packing a suitcase, but with A9s and battery.
00:02:30
◼
►
See, I mean, it's not a big deal, right?
00:02:32
◼
►
Like they're saying it's gonna be the thickness
00:02:35
◼
►
of the original iPad Air, which is still thin and light,
00:02:39
◼
►
and if it gets rid of the camera bump,
00:02:41
◼
►
like I am fine with it. - Oh yeah.
00:02:43
◼
►
- I hate the camera bump.
00:02:45
◼
►
- That should happen, right?
00:02:46
◼
►
- Yeah, I really dislike the camera bump
00:02:48
◼
►
on my 9.7-inch iPad Pro.
00:02:50
◼
►
Even though it's more pronounced on the iPhone,
00:02:53
◼
►
the plus because it's, you know, elongated.
00:02:56
◼
►
I feel like I'm always smashing it into things on my iPad
00:02:59
◼
►
and I really wish the back was flat.
00:03:01
◼
►
So if they could do that, then thumbs up from me.
00:03:05
◼
►
- Just put it in a create case like me,
00:03:07
◼
►
a Logitech create case, and then you get a superior keyboard
00:03:09
◼
►
with a backlight and you never have to worry about the bump.
00:03:12
◼
►
- It's also like the size of my laptop.
00:03:14
◼
►
- It does make it basically the dimensions
00:03:17
◼
►
of a hardback biography.
00:03:19
◼
►
- Yeah. - But it's fine.
00:03:20
◼
►
I wouldn't worry about it.
00:03:21
◼
►
One of the things that's new I think in this report, which just boggles my mind, is that
00:03:26
◼
►
there is a 7.9 inch iPad mini pro apparently coming.
00:03:33
◼
►
I can't get my head around this.
00:03:35
◼
►
I mean I guess it means that it has pencil support, which would be kind of cool.
00:03:38
◼
►
I was telling you the other night, we have an iPad mini in the house, we may have a second
00:03:43
◼
►
one soon, but I always find myself drawn to the iPad mini, like just as an around the
00:03:49
◼
►
the house device and I've thought about several times about replacing my Kindle
00:03:53
◼
►
with it and I don't know but it's ridiculous I'm not great like I don't
00:03:57
◼
►
need multiple iPads but it's a it's something that I think about because I
00:04:02
◼
►
really like that size for consumption and for reading and for games and stuff
00:04:06
◼
►
but I could see it being kind of cool with the pencil right because you can
00:04:09
◼
►
kind of put that in a jacket pocket and like you have like a little digital
00:04:13
◼
►
notebook that you take around with you everywhere so I'm not I'm not as down on
00:04:17
◼
►
that as I think you are.
00:04:18
◼
►
Okay. That makes a lot of sense. I just have... It reminds me of The Incredibles, right? If
00:04:25
◼
►
all iPads are pro, are any of them pro?
00:04:29
◼
►
That's a good point.
00:04:31
◼
►
I just think at this point, I don't know, there's something about that that I don't
00:04:35
◼
►
like. I feel like if it then it just becomes the iPad line and then it loses some of the
00:04:39
◼
►
proneness. Like I feel like the iPad Pro should be its own line of iPad, right? Like the MacBook
00:04:45
◼
►
Pro. Like and then you have like special features, advanced features go to the Pro line, but
00:04:50
◼
►
then they still have a regular line because what's going to happen is the regular line
00:04:54
◼
►
are just old iPad Pros. And that's just that kind of just sucks. Like, yeah, it doesn't
00:05:00
◼
►
work. And then it just looks like are they are they actually making a pro iOS device?
00:05:05
◼
►
Or are they just trying to make iPads more expensive? So the ASP goes up? Ding, ding,
00:05:11
◼
►
And then I'm not sure.
00:05:14
◼
►
And then I'm just not sure.
00:05:16
◼
►
But I am super excited for this other iPad,
00:05:20
◼
►
this 10.9 inch with 9.7 footprint.
00:05:24
◼
►
I was filling out the notes document
00:05:27
◼
►
and reading this article last night in bed
00:05:30
◼
►
on my 9.7 inch iPad Pro.
00:05:33
◼
►
And I was thinking,
00:05:34
◼
►
if I just had more screen real estate on this,
00:05:37
◼
►
it would be perfect.
00:05:38
◼
►
because I prefer to use my 9 7 most of the time,
00:05:42
◼
►
but I use the 12 9 when I've got something serious to do
00:05:44
◼
►
'cause I can benefit from the bigger screen.
00:05:46
◼
►
But if I could have a screen that kind of sits
00:05:48
◼
►
in the middle of those two, I might only need that one.
00:05:52
◼
►
Like for, I mean, I don't really need two iPads, right?
00:05:55
◼
►
Let's be serious about this,
00:05:56
◼
►
but I've gone over this a bunch of times.
00:05:58
◼
►
But like I feel like I would be more than can,
00:06:00
◼
►
maybe potentially be more than content
00:06:02
◼
►
with just one of them.
00:06:03
◼
►
If I have more screen real estate, bigger screen,
00:06:06
◼
►
but in the same size, like in the same package,
00:06:10
◼
►
that's very appealing to me.
00:06:12
◼
►
- Yeah, I agree.
00:06:13
◼
►
I went from the 12.9 and actually have gone back
00:06:15
◼
►
to the 9.7 because the portability factor,
00:06:19
◼
►
but I have that same feeling of like the 9.7,
00:06:21
◼
►
like when you're multitasking,
00:06:22
◼
►
especially with the software keyboard,
00:06:24
◼
►
it's like there's not a lot of space left.
00:06:26
◼
►
And something a little bit bigger would be nice.
00:06:29
◼
►
I do have some questions.
00:06:31
◼
►
I would hope that Apple would treat this
00:06:34
◼
►
like they do the 12.9.
00:06:35
◼
►
Like if you build for the 12.9 and the bigger Pro keyboard,
00:06:38
◼
►
that keyboard is on this one.
00:06:39
◼
►
So it's not a third target that developers can ignore.
00:06:42
◼
►
- Yeah, I hope they can do something funky
00:06:44
◼
►
with the resolution.
00:06:47
◼
►
Like you remember when the, I think,
00:06:48
◼
►
was it the iPad Mini where it was like,
00:06:50
◼
►
wow, it's like a regular iPad just all shrunk down.
00:06:54
◼
►
Like I kind of hope they do something like that.
00:06:56
◼
►
- Right, the same resolution is on the, like the iPad 2,
00:06:59
◼
►
but smaller, so it was a higher density,
00:07:02
◼
►
but the same actual dimensions.
00:07:05
◼
►
- I think they probably will do something like that
00:07:06
◼
►
just so they don't, I mean iPad Pro,
00:07:09
◼
►
I mean you know this having a 12.9,
00:07:10
◼
►
there are still apps that don't support it.
00:07:12
◼
►
Like what, a year later?
00:07:14
◼
►
That's not gonna get any better
00:07:17
◼
►
if they have a third target.
00:07:18
◼
►
So my guess is that they will do something like this
00:07:21
◼
►
where the 12.9 dimensions will be downsized to the 10.9
00:07:26
◼
►
and everything will just be a little tight, but you know.
00:07:28
◼
►
- But then it will push development
00:07:29
◼
►
for the larger resolution, right?
00:07:32
◼
►
- I hope so.
00:07:33
◼
►
- To get like the three panel stuff.
00:07:34
◼
►
If both of the iPads then have it,
00:07:36
◼
►
it might be like, "Oh, okay, we'll do it."
00:07:38
◼
►
That's my hope.
00:07:39
◼
►
- I think so.
00:07:40
◼
►
So talking about iPads,
00:07:42
◼
►
real quickly I just wanted to point people
00:07:44
◼
►
to a new Studio Neat products,
00:07:46
◼
►
our friends of ours, Tom and Dan,
00:07:48
◼
►
and they have a really cool keyboard case for the iPad,
00:07:52
◼
►
and it's unlike the monstrosity of the Logitech.
00:07:55
◼
►
Just a little fabric thing
00:07:57
◼
►
that you actually attach a Bluetooth Magic Keyboard to,
00:08:01
◼
►
so the keyboard that I'm sitting in front of right now
00:08:03
◼
►
my iMac and you can pair it with Bluetooth and it's nice because it's not
00:08:06
◼
►
actually a case it's like a stand that you put the iMac in or the you put the
00:08:11
◼
►
iPad in and then take it out when you don't need it so unlike the the iPad
00:08:16
◼
►
smart keyboard you know that's always attached this is kind of its own
00:08:20
◼
►
secondary thing so you could have just your iPad and when you want to write you
00:08:24
◼
►
can sit down and use this I had the pleasure of using a beta version of this
00:08:28
◼
►
like Jason Snell did we all talked about an upgrade yesterday so if you type
00:08:33
◼
►
a lot on your iPad but you find yourself wanting a keyboard that you know isn't
00:08:40
◼
►
really available to you yet try this one because the magic keyboard is great and
00:08:42
◼
►
this makes it a really nice little package to use with your tablet so it's
00:08:46
◼
►
a it's a nice little product. Here you go check it out put link in the
00:08:50
◼
►
show notes so you can go pre-order one. I love Tom and Dan so buy their stuff.
00:08:57
◼
►
Talking about buying stuff I want to talk about a company that I really like
00:09:01
◼
►
like the stuff that I actually do buy, Foote Cardigan, I have a few questions for you dear
00:09:06
◼
►
listener. Do you want to be known as the best gift giver in the whole wide world? What about
00:09:12
◼
►
have you ever had the desire to be visited by the sock fairy? Is that something you ever
00:09:17
◼
►
wished for? Do you want your feet to be the envy of everyone you know? And do you want
00:09:21
◼
►
awesome socks delivered to your mailbox? If any of the answers to these questions is yes,
00:09:27
◼
►
then Foote Cardigan is here to make it happen. Foote Cardigan delivers fun socks every single
00:09:35
◼
►
month right to your doorstep. They ensure that your feet never have to be seen out in
00:09:38
◼
►
public in plain white socks ever again. And the best part? You don't have to choose what
00:09:46
◼
►
pair you get because every month Foote Cardigan will surprise you with a brand new design
00:09:51
◼
►
a brand new pair of socks right in the mail. Surprises are awesome especially when they
00:09:56
◼
►
start at just $9 a month. Foot Cardigan socks are a fantastic holiday, birthday or basically
00:10:01
◼
►
any day gift. You could treat yourself to a subscription if you want. That's what I
00:10:05
◼
►
did. I bought a Foot Cardigan subscription last year when Foot Cardigan sponsored. And
00:10:10
◼
►
I get and have been a pair of socks in the mail every month and I really do love them.
00:10:15
◼
►
They are my favourite socks because they're wacky and wild designs. I have for example
00:10:38
◼
►
who's a no-show sock kind of person or they want a bit of luxury in their life, Foote
00:10:42
◼
►
Cardigan have got yours and their feet covered. Quite literally in fact. Go to footecardigan.com
00:10:48
◼
►
right now and get 10% off your order with the coupon code "world" at checkout. Once
00:10:53
◼
►
again that is footecardigan.com promo code "world" at checkout for 10% off any subscription.
00:11:00
◼
►
Thank you so much to Foote Cardigan for their support of this show and Relay FM.
00:11:06
◼
►
In case anybody hadn't noticed, the two of us have become increasingly interested in
00:11:16
◼
►
We have our own YouTube channels, we both publish YouTube videos fairly frequently.
00:11:21
◼
►
You should go and check them out, I will put links in the show notes to both of our YouTube
00:11:24
◼
►
channels if for some reason you have not subscribed to them, you totally should.
00:11:29
◼
►
And I think that we are both fans of superstar YouTuber Casey Neistat.
00:11:37
◼
►
I've been a big fan of Casey Neistat for a while.
00:11:39
◼
►
Me and Nadino are still kind of going through all of his old vlog episodes.
00:11:43
◼
►
I think it was last week he announced that he was ending his vlog and that he wanted
00:11:47
◼
►
to work on new projects.
00:11:50
◼
►
Didn't really give much away and there was a good reason for that because yesterday it
00:11:54
◼
►
It was announced that Casey Neistat's company Beam, which was a social video sharing app
00:12:00
◼
►
that he was a co-founder of, they got bought by CNN.
00:12:06
◼
►
That's crazy.
00:12:08
◼
►
Which is a very interesting acquisition.
00:12:11
◼
►
Beam, the app itself and the service is being shut down.
00:12:16
◼
►
CNN does not want that.
00:12:18
◼
►
But they are using Casey Neistat and the team along with his co-founder Matt Hackett.
00:12:26
◼
►
Great name Hackett.
00:12:27
◼
►
It's a great name.
00:12:28
◼
►
It's a solid, you know, you really want your co-founder's last name to be Hackett.
00:12:31
◼
►
All the best co-founders go by the name Hackett.
00:12:35
◼
►
They are going to be going to CNN along with a team of 12 people to create a new content
00:12:40
◼
►
production team.
00:12:42
◼
►
Apparently it's going to be mostly autonomous from CNN.
00:12:45
◼
►
CNN's done another thing like this recently, I can't remember the name of it, but they
00:12:49
◼
►
had another kind of production company that they've started which is basically just
00:12:55
◼
►
there to create more content.
00:12:57
◼
►
And they are doing this to effectively try and reach people that the current CNN programming
00:13:04
◼
►
does not reach.
00:13:06
◼
►
Yeah, their previous effort just to stop the follow up is called Great Big Story.
00:13:13
◼
►
it's like a this team that operates kind of independently of CNN. I found it I
00:13:19
◼
►
found this super fascinating like Beam itself I maybe we should explain how the
00:13:23
◼
►
app worked I don't think it was ever super popular but the idea was that you
00:13:28
◼
►
would just take your phone and basically you would like hold it to your chest or
00:13:32
◼
►
hold it to a surface and it would instantly like share was it like four
00:13:37
◼
►
seconds or six seconds of video yeah there was no editing the idea was to be
00:13:41
◼
►
really raw and like this is what I'm seeing, I'm just sharing it directly with
00:13:44
◼
►
the internet. That's a really interesting idea. It didn't really take off, I think
00:13:49
◼
►
for a bunch of reasons that maybe we can get into, but the why I find it so
00:13:55
◼
►
interesting is CNN along with a lot of other traditional media outlets,
00:14:00
◼
►
some people roll their eyes at calling CNN like a traditional outlet, it's only
00:14:03
◼
►
been around since the 80s, but you know these big like international news
00:14:07
◼
►
corporations have a growing void in their audience. And it's that audience that people
00:14:14
◼
►
like Casey Neistat have access to. People who we're on the older end of, right? Like
00:14:22
◼
►
you're in your late 20s, I'm 30, we're the oldest fringe of this group and people younger
00:14:27
◼
►
than us, millennials and whatever's behind millennials, those consumers as they're not
00:14:35
◼
►
tuning into CNN, they're not reading the New York Times.
00:14:38
◼
►
And that's okay for now,
00:14:41
◼
►
but what happens when these people
00:14:44
◼
►
are in their 30s, in their 40s, in their 50s,
00:14:48
◼
►
when they are the driving force of the economy
00:14:52
◼
►
more so than they are now?
00:14:54
◼
►
And if you have a brand that isn't reaching those people,
00:14:56
◼
►
that's a scary proposition, right?
00:14:57
◼
►
That right now, if you don't have millennials
00:15:00
◼
►
paying attention to you,
00:15:02
◼
►
when they're ruling the world,
00:15:04
◼
►
that's gonna be bad for you.
00:15:06
◼
►
And so it's a move on CNN's part to work
00:15:10
◼
►
to reach that audience.
00:15:11
◼
►
I think they'll be successful there.
00:15:13
◼
►
I think there are a lot of people that will follow,
00:15:14
◼
►
you know, Casey and I, a set of people like him
00:15:16
◼
►
wherever they go.
00:15:17
◼
►
Surely there'll be people who think it's a sellout
00:15:19
◼
►
and that happens in all sorts of acquisitions.
00:15:21
◼
►
But like buying your way into a marketplace
00:15:24
◼
►
is a pretty old business trick,
00:15:26
◼
►
but it's one that can be effective.
00:15:28
◼
►
And it's something that, you know, brands like CNN,
00:15:32
◼
►
they have to do, right?
00:15:33
◼
►
- It happens in Silicon Valley all the time.
00:15:35
◼
►
Look at Facebook.
00:15:35
◼
►
- Yeah, exactly.
00:15:37
◼
►
Facebook saw that Instagram is where a lot of people were.
00:15:42
◼
►
A lot of people who kind of thought Facebook was uncool.
00:15:44
◼
►
And so they just brought Instagram into the fold.
00:15:48
◼
►
- And they saw people were chatting in other places
00:15:50
◼
►
and they bought WhatsApp and then they liked the idea of VR
00:15:52
◼
►
and they bought Oculus.
00:15:54
◼
►
- Exactly, and what Facebook is doing,
00:15:56
◼
►
for all the problems of Facebook,
00:15:58
◼
►
we're not getting into that today,
00:15:59
◼
►
but for all the problems of Facebook,
00:16:01
◼
►
One thing they do very well is play this defensive strategy
00:16:04
◼
►
that you just outlined.
00:16:05
◼
►
There's a popular thing going on,
00:16:08
◼
►
it's outside the Facebook universe,
00:16:10
◼
►
and it's in Facebook's best interest
00:16:11
◼
►
to bring that into the Facebook universe, right?
00:16:13
◼
►
So they've done it time and time again,
00:16:14
◼
►
I'm sure they'll do it again,
00:16:15
◼
►
I'm sure at some point next year or the year after
00:16:17
◼
►
there'll be some big acquisition that they make.
00:16:20
◼
►
Maybe it's Twitter.
00:16:22
◼
►
- 'Cause they want you to be on their platform, right?
00:16:24
◼
►
'Cause that's how they monetize,
00:16:26
◼
►
that's how they stay in business.
00:16:28
◼
►
So CNN is doing that with Beam
00:16:31
◼
►
And I think what this is really about
00:16:33
◼
►
is the people behind Beam, Nystat and Hackett
00:16:37
◼
►
and their team of people.
00:16:38
◼
►
And they're going to be making content
00:16:41
◼
►
through this new lens.
00:16:44
◼
►
And I just find it super interesting.
00:16:47
◼
►
I think it will be, my guess is it will be successful.
00:16:49
◼
►
Nystat has a huge audience.
00:16:51
◼
►
- And he's smart.
00:16:52
◼
►
- Super smart.
00:16:54
◼
►
- When I look at this, I'm like, okay,
00:16:56
◼
►
what do I think they're doing here?
00:16:58
◼
►
I think what they're doing is like creating a website which will have video on it, right?
00:17:03
◼
►
But not just Casey Neistat video, right?
00:17:06
◼
►
They will create tools and stuff that they will try and bring creators over from YouTube
00:17:11
◼
►
into this system to create exclusive content.
00:17:14
◼
►
That's kind of how I look at what's going on here.
00:17:16
◼
►
That's what I think this is.
00:17:17
◼
►
And they're going to use maybe the Beam team to create the tools that are needed and then
00:17:23
◼
►
use the almost snake charming like ability of Casey Neistat to bring people to the platform.
00:17:30
◼
►
I think it's very very smart and I think it's very smart on the part of CNN to not brand
00:17:35
◼
►
it as CNN kids. Do you know what it's like? It's just like you just go do your thing with
00:17:41
◼
►
a parent company but you just go do your thing because they're never going to get people
00:17:46
◼
►
like me and you even to watch it if it's CNN branded because like I just don't care. But
00:17:52
◼
►
If it's this own little thing that just is fresh and young and fits the kind of the aesthetic
00:17:59
◼
►
that me and you are gravitated towards, it makes perfect sense.
00:18:04
◼
►
I'm super excited to see what comes out of this.
00:18:08
◼
►
And it's, people in the chat room are asking, CNN tried this citizen journalism thing big
00:18:14
◼
►
time a couple of years ago where if you see some tragedy, you pull your iPhone out.
00:18:19
◼
►
They had an app.
00:18:20
◼
►
Yeah, I remember that.
00:18:21
◼
►
called iReporter or something.
00:18:23
◼
►
I may have totally made that name up.
00:18:26
◼
►
- CNN iReport.
00:18:28
◼
►
- Yeah, that's it. - Yeah, you were right.
00:18:30
◼
►
- This seems like Niestat and his group
00:18:35
◼
►
are going to be creating content for this new brand,
00:18:38
◼
►
and maybe they're creating some tools as well.
00:18:41
◼
►
Different articles kind of say different things
00:18:42
◼
►
a little bit, but I don't think this is like a deep dive
00:18:47
◼
►
back into that world, and that's like a whole topic
00:18:51
◼
►
for another time, but I think really what this is
00:18:54
◼
►
is CNN having a brand that people are going to be
00:18:59
◼
►
more likely to engage with.
00:19:02
◼
►
People who see CNN as like the only time they see
00:19:04
◼
►
is when they're in a doctor's office
00:19:06
◼
►
or when they're at the airport,
00:19:07
◼
►
or they're stuck somewhere and it's on.
00:19:10
◼
►
They're never there by their own free will.
00:19:12
◼
►
That's where they're trying to change.
00:19:13
◼
►
They're trying to make their content platform a destination.
00:19:17
◼
►
And this is a pretty interesting way of going about that.
00:19:21
◼
►
I agree with you, I think it's a smart move
00:19:25
◼
►
on everyone's part.
00:19:26
◼
►
And I'm excited to see where it goes.
00:19:27
◼
►
Like, you know, we own, we're gonna talk about it
00:19:30
◼
►
the rest of the show, like we own a media company.
00:19:32
◼
►
Like that's really what Relay is.
00:19:34
◼
►
And so I'm always interested to see what happens
00:19:37
◼
►
in this industry as people try to make decisions
00:19:40
◼
►
and make moves and try to realign.
00:19:42
◼
►
We see this with what AOL's been doing.
00:19:47
◼
►
or what Verizon's been doing.
00:19:48
◼
►
So they bought AOL.
00:19:49
◼
►
They're buying Yahoo still, I think,
00:19:51
◼
►
even after the crazy email thing.
00:19:53
◼
►
Verizon is trying to get into this business
00:19:55
◼
►
and they're going about it by buying these existing,
00:19:58
◼
►
albeit dying, media companies
00:20:00
◼
►
and trying to build something together.
00:20:02
◼
►
I don't think it's gonna be successful,
00:20:03
◼
►
but it's an interesting case study
00:20:04
◼
►
on maybe how people do it.
00:20:06
◼
►
I was a little surprised to read the story, honestly,
00:20:10
◼
►
but I think once I digested it,
00:20:12
◼
►
I think it makes a lot of sense.
00:20:14
◼
►
- I knew something was coming
00:20:15
◼
►
just because I watch all of his videos.
00:20:18
◼
►
Like I could tell that an acquisition was in the wings
00:20:20
◼
►
like 'cause he just was kind of roughly mentioning things
00:20:23
◼
►
and I could feel that the vlog was cooling down as well
00:20:26
◼
►
but I never would have predicted this.
00:20:28
◼
►
I would have expected like an Instagram or someone,
00:20:31
◼
►
you know, just buy up Beam to get the talent.
00:20:34
◼
►
This is a unpredicted, like I wouldn't have predicted
00:20:36
◼
►
a news company to buy them.
00:20:39
◼
►
But what I like about it is as a fan of Casey Neistat's work
00:20:45
◼
►
this acquisition doesn't hide him from the world.
00:20:47
◼
►
You know, like if a tech company bought him,
00:20:49
◼
►
he may never see him again, right?
00:20:50
◼
►
Like he just gets swallowed up inside of the organization.
00:20:54
◼
►
- Yeah, if he gets swallowed by the Apple News team,
00:20:59
◼
►
- And he says he's gonna still be doing his own videos,
00:21:01
◼
►
that his channel is not part of this.
00:21:04
◼
►
So I think if you're a fan of what he does,
00:21:07
◼
►
then there'll still be plenty of content.
00:21:10
◼
►
All right, so it is approaching the end of the year, right?
00:21:15
◼
►
We're approaching the end of 2016.
00:21:17
◼
►
So we thought that considering it's just me and you
00:21:19
◼
►
on the show today, that we could do a Relay FM Q&A.
00:21:24
◼
►
I kind of consider this as like a state of Relay FM
00:21:27
◼
►
for the year, like a 2016 State of the Union type dealio.
00:21:31
◼
►
So we're gonna get into that
00:21:32
◼
►
for the rest of the episode today.
00:21:33
◼
►
Before we do, let me take a moment
00:21:35
◼
►
to thank our second sponsor, a company I'm very excited about
00:21:38
◼
►
company called Away. Away creates amazing luggage made from the highest quality materials
00:21:44
◼
►
around while offering a lower price compared to other brands.
00:21:51
◼
►
If you go to awaytravel.com/connected you can peruse Away's collection of suitcases
00:21:59
◼
►
all made with premium German polycarbonate which is unrivalled in strength and impact
00:22:04
◼
►
resistance while still remaining lightweight. They have four sizes of suitcase. The carry-on,
00:22:09
◼
►
the bigger carry-on, the medium and the large. Very simple names. You know exactly what you're
00:22:13
◼
►
getting and they have nine fantastic colors that you can choose from. The interior of
00:22:17
◼
►
the No Way suitcase features a patent pending compression system which is incredibly helpful
00:22:21
◼
►
if you're an over packer like me. In the carry-on bag that I have, so they sent me a carry-on
00:22:25
◼
►
bag, the compression system even includes an integrated laptop and iPad holder. So you
00:22:30
◼
►
usually have those straps that you clip over the clothes, right? This one has this like
00:22:34
◼
►
big pad on top which you can put an iPad or laptop into.
00:22:40
◼
►
The iPad holder is built into the compression system which then also suspends it in the
00:22:44
◼
►
middle of the case for impact resistance.
00:22:47
◼
►
All of their cases feature 360 degree spinner wheels.
00:22:50
◼
►
There's 4 of them.
00:22:51
◼
►
Once you go to 4 wheels and a suitcase you can never go back.
00:22:54
◼
►
They have TSA combination locks, they have a removable washable laundry bag which is
00:22:59
◼
►
hotel room, I grab a bag from one of the dry cleaning bags from the wardrobes and I put
00:23:06
◼
►
my dirty clothes into there. Now I have a bag that's kind of hidden inside of my suitcase.
00:23:11
◼
►
Awesome. But the best, my single favourite feature of the Away suitcase, this is, I can't
00:23:16
◼
►
believe nobody's ever known this before, it has an integrated USB power brick. Both sides
00:23:21
◼
►
of the carry-on feature USB ports integrated into the suitcase, right on the top underneath
00:23:26
◼
►
where the handle is, so you can charge your devices whilst travelling. Your phone, your
00:23:29
◼
►
tablet, your e-reader. If it's powered by USB, you're set. You'll never be without power
00:23:34
◼
►
again. There is a kind of hilarious thing there where I charge my suitcase, but it means
00:23:38
◼
►
that when I travel, I have access to power always.
00:23:41
◼
►
Await believes in the quality of their products. They are for a lifetime guarantee. If anything
00:23:46
◼
►
breaks, they'll fix it or replace it for life. They have a 100 day trial as well. They want
00:23:50
◼
►
you to live with it, they want you to travel with it. And if at any point you decide that
00:23:54
◼
►
case isn't for you, return it for a full refund no question asked. They currently ship for
00:23:58
◼
►
free in the US and also ship to Canada, the UK, Germany, Sweden and Australia. There is
00:24:03
◼
►
no better time than the holiday season to be getting an away case. They have a whole
00:24:07
◼
►
selection of stuff that's fantastic for gifts. They have two limited edition colours, snow
00:24:11
◼
►
and asphalt for the holidays and they have a couple of extra products that they're doing
00:24:15
◼
►
as well. They have a gift set which includes a little toiletry case, so it's like a mini
00:24:20
◼
►
away suitcase it has travel socks a gift card and an asops jet set toiletries kit in it
00:24:26
◼
►
they're also introducing a passport holder and luggage tag set and a 100% baby alpaca
00:24:31
◼
►
travel blanket this is way cosier than the blankets that you'll be finding on airplanes
00:24:36
◼
►
they have a whole host of options as i mentioned go check them out to find out more go to awaytravel.com/connected
00:24:42
◼
►
use the code connected at checkout and you will get $20 off any of their suitcases that's
00:24:48
◼
►
awaytravel.com/connected and the code connected for $20 off. I am super excited about this
00:24:53
◼
►
product. Go check them out. Thank you so much to Awaay for their support of this show and
00:24:57
◼
►
Relay FM. Man, integrated power into a suitcase. It's genius. It's genius. Alright, so we got
00:25:05
◼
►
a ton of questions today. So I'll start. First one comes from Thomas. Thomas asked, "How
00:25:11
◼
►
much time is spent by each of you on creative work versus business work for Relay FM? Just
00:25:17
◼
►
starting my own creative company in game development interested to see how you carve up your time?"
00:25:23
◼
►
So I do fewer shows than you, so I think your answers are going to be different. For me,
00:25:29
◼
►
roughly I'd probably say 70% of my relay time is behind the scenes and only 30% are
00:25:34
◼
►
in shows and production. That's changing a little bit, but I think that's kind of
00:25:39
◼
►
roughly where I am. And one thing I would say to Thomas is that this ratio for me has
00:25:44
◼
►
has changed over time.
00:25:45
◼
►
When we were first starting,
00:25:48
◼
►
it was like 90% admin behind the scenes time, right?
00:25:51
◼
►
'Cause we have a lot of stuff you have to do
00:25:53
◼
►
kind of in that startup mode
00:25:54
◼
►
and now that we have processes and things in place,
00:25:57
◼
►
it's a little bit different.
00:25:58
◼
►
So I don't know if there's a right or wrong answer
00:26:00
◼
►
but I do firmly believe that it will change over time
00:26:03
◼
►
over the course of your business.
00:26:05
◼
►
What about you?
00:26:06
◼
►
- I kind of, rather than percentage,
00:26:09
◼
►
I don't know why I chose to do it this way
00:26:10
◼
►
but like if I imagine I work for nine hours a day,
00:26:13
◼
►
which is not true.
00:26:14
◼
►
Yeah, that'd be great if it was only nine hours a day.
00:26:18
◼
►
Maybe just double these.
00:26:19
◼
►
Let's say if I worked for 18 hours a day, I would say about eight to ten of those hours
00:26:24
◼
►
was recording and editing and the rest was business related.
00:26:27
◼
►
So I would say it's roughly half and half, I think.
00:26:30
◼
►
And that is just because I do so many shows.
00:26:34
◼
►
So I work long days for that reason so I can fit everything in.
00:26:37
◼
►
But that's how I like it though.
00:26:39
◼
►
I wouldn't change it.
00:26:40
◼
►
It's not a complaint.
00:26:42
◼
►
It really doesn't bother me in the slightest.
00:26:45
◼
►
- Ganon asks, "How do you decide to create a new show?
00:26:48
◼
►
"Do you seek out the hosts that match a topic
00:26:50
◼
►
"or do people pitch your ideas?"
00:26:53
◼
►
- I think about 95% of the time, I think,
00:26:56
◼
►
looking at the shows that we have,
00:26:57
◼
►
it's usually people first and topic second.
00:27:01
◼
►
So typically it's people will come to us
00:27:03
◼
►
or we have people that we're interested in talking to
00:27:05
◼
►
and we just talk through what ideas do you have
00:27:07
◼
►
and then find an idea that works.
00:27:09
◼
►
And I think it's fair to say we like to be involved in any way we can in helping shape
00:27:14
◼
►
the idea and kind of make it the best show that it can be.
00:27:17
◼
►
Yeah, I think that's well said.
00:27:23
◼
►
Alexandria asked, "How many minutes or hours do you need to work for one episode of a regular
00:27:30
◼
►
I don't know why, but Alexandria excluded "Ungenious" and "Cortex" from this.
00:27:34
◼
►
I have an answer for both of those shows.
00:27:37
◼
►
So let's take Connected for instance. What do you think the ratio is?
00:27:43
◼
►
I think it differs for the three of us. Right? So I would say on average it's the same
00:27:51
◼
►
from all of my shows actually except for Ungenius and Cortex funnily enough. So he did actually
00:27:56
◼
►
pick the right shows but I did wonder why he did it. But for me I would say it's around
00:28:00
◼
►
one and a half to two minutes of surrounding work for every minute recorded. And that's
00:28:05
◼
►
Typically because I edit as well as like so, you know, we all do the show planning
00:28:09
◼
►
For all of the shows everybody's involved in the planning which I would say is you know that that can be like
00:28:14
◼
►
Half of the time or maybe you know
00:28:17
◼
►
All the whole time of the show and then the editing as well on the other end
00:28:20
◼
►
Will add the kind of the same kind of ratio. So typically typically say for a show like connected
00:28:25
◼
►
It's like a minute each side. So a minute a planning for every minute recorded in a minute of editing for every minute recorded
00:28:31
◼
►
Yep confusing, but that's the kind of the way I describe it
00:28:34
◼
►
No, I think that makes sense. So I mean, I think he picked cortex because I think y'all talked about on the show the editing process
00:28:39
◼
►
Is intense. I would say I would say for cortex. We're probably closer to ten minutes for every minute
00:28:46
◼
►
I'm not even kidding
00:28:46
◼
►
like if you consider the amount of time that we talk
00:28:48
◼
►
then the recording then the editing and then the production the production of the YouTube and then managed like kind of
00:28:55
◼
►
Moderating and managing the reddit like it's a much much much much bigger job. Mm-hmm
00:29:01
◼
►
So ingenious to show that you and I do about weird Wikipedia articles. Yes. It's a real thing
00:29:07
◼
►
I don't even know its cortex
00:29:11
◼
►
levels of madness
00:29:14
◼
►
The editing process is very long on that show if you ever listened I edit it extremely tightly
00:29:20
◼
►
But and genius is actually completely scripted like I we sit down and we pick a topic and I go off and I write
00:29:27
◼
►
six seven eight nine pages
00:29:30
◼
►
That takes hours of writing, hours of research.
00:29:34
◼
►
There has actually been, I think, maybe one instance where you wrote a joke for me, which
00:29:38
◼
►
was amazing.
00:29:39
◼
►
I felt so fancy.
00:29:42
◼
►
And that's for a show that's ten minutes long twice a month.
00:29:45
◼
►
So, "Ungenius" is probably the most lopsided thing I do, but I think it's really worth
00:29:53
◼
►
The funny thing about "Ungenius" and the reason the ungenius--which maybe, because
00:29:56
◼
►
that sounds weird, right, when you say "ungenius" is scripted.
00:29:58
◼
►
There is a reason that Ungenius is scripted. You may or may not know if you've ever listened
00:30:02
◼
►
to the show. You should listen to the show because it's super short, like you can easily
00:30:05
◼
►
fit it into your into your queue. It's like 10, 15 minutes in total every two weeks and
00:30:12
◼
►
you learn really weird stuff. So you should go and check it out for sure. But we did this
00:30:16
◼
►
show once before, me and you, many, many, many, many years ago. It was the first show
00:30:20
◼
►
that me and you ever worked on together. It was your idea. We created this show called
00:30:24
◼
►
ingenious. And it wasn't very good. There were some episodes that were great, and there
00:30:31
◼
►
were some episodes that were horrific. So we decided we needed a tighter show, right?
00:30:40
◼
►
We needed to make it tighter, we needed to do better research, we needed to plan it out
00:30:43
◼
►
better. So we did that. Then the first episode that we did still needed work, right? And
00:30:48
◼
►
it took way longer to edit. And then we kind of fell on the idea of maybe we should just
00:30:53
◼
►
write it. So we do that. So you write out a big script kind of thing like bullet points,
00:30:59
◼
►
then I go in and I add some stuff and or I change some of the stuff so it's so it's in
00:31:05
◼
►
my written in my style, you know, so I'll change some words. I'll change while to whilst
00:31:09
◼
►
for example. Right. So like, you know, I go in and do that. And then we record the show.
00:31:15
◼
►
And yeah, it's funny because it's like, yeah, it takes probably the same kind of time like
00:31:19
◼
►
that maybe the five to ten minutes per minute recorded for you to do, but luckily enough,
00:31:24
◼
►
it's an eleven minute show.
00:31:27
◼
►
Yeah, if it's any longer, there's no way we could do it, so.
00:31:31
◼
►
But Ungenius is an example of how me and you believe in experimentation with Real AFM,
00:31:38
◼
►
and we try and foster this in a lot of the shows that are here and kind of try new things.
00:31:43
◼
►
And this is new in the way that we don't have any other show that's like this, that's like
00:31:48
◼
►
written out quite closely. And there are a lot of shows that exist this way that are
00:31:53
◼
►
written out. Like a lot of the NPR style shows, or the public radio style shows, a lot of
00:31:58
◼
►
that is scripted stuff. And so we tried it and I think it's going really well.
00:32:04
◼
►
All right, so who's reading this one? I've lost where we are. I think it's your turn.
00:32:12
◼
►
Haken, Haken, Haken Haken.
00:32:17
◼
►
Sorry, many apologies.
00:32:18
◼
►
The hardest thing about ingenious is pronouncing names.
00:32:21
◼
►
The hardest part about Q and A, pronouncing names.
00:32:24
◼
►
- But the great thing about scripting the show
00:32:25
◼
►
is we can just change the lines,
00:32:26
◼
►
and I do most of the name pronunciation.
00:32:29
◼
►
- It's true.
00:32:30
◼
►
Yeah, yeah, if you wrote the script, it would be different.
00:32:33
◼
►
Are you trying to get more sponsors
00:32:34
◼
►
who are relevant to people outside of the US?
00:32:37
◼
►
Myke, you're outside of the US,
00:32:39
◼
►
so I'm gonna let you answer this.
00:32:40
◼
►
So there's a few tangents for this.
00:32:43
◼
►
One, our audience as a whole is roughly 60% in the US.
00:32:48
◼
►
And then from there, it breaks into 10% chunks
00:32:52
◼
►
for Canada and the United Kingdom.
00:32:54
◼
►
And then on average, then it gets into single digits
00:32:57
◼
►
for the rest of the world.
00:32:59
◼
►
So I would love to have more companies
00:33:02
◼
►
that sell things worldwide.
00:33:04
◼
►
And that's something we're working on.
00:33:05
◼
►
I just spoke about Away.
00:33:06
◼
►
Away, they ship to a bunch of countries, not just the US,
00:33:10
◼
►
which is not normal for the types of companies that we have that sell physical products.
00:33:14
◼
►
Like a lot of those are just US based. One of the reasons I was really excited about
00:33:17
◼
►
Away is that they ship to a bunch of different countries. The problem we have is we can't
00:33:24
◼
►
really get a company that just ships in Europe, right? Like a company that just, because they
00:33:33
◼
►
They are only going to hit 30% relevance of our audience.
00:33:38
◼
►
And we're still going to charge them what it costs for an ad.
00:33:42
◼
►
We can't discount an ad by 60% for that.
00:33:46
◼
►
So this is where some of the struggles happen.
00:33:48
◼
►
So we are working to find more companies that
00:33:52
◼
►
sell things worldwide.
00:33:55
◼
►
But our sponsors still have to have a strong US focus
00:33:58
◼
►
for the reason of percentages.
00:34:00
◼
►
So we have to be fair to the companies.
00:34:02
◼
►
I can't get a UK company,
00:34:06
◼
►
sometimes I have companies from the UK contact me
00:34:07
◼
►
and I just outline it to them.
00:34:08
◼
►
It's like if you don't ship to the US,
00:34:11
◼
►
I don't think that you're gonna get
00:34:13
◼
►
what's worth your money for this.
00:34:15
◼
►
- Because they're only gonna hit
00:34:17
◼
►
maybe 10 to 12% of an audience,
00:34:19
◼
►
which is probably not enough for them to make their return.
00:34:23
◼
►
So yes, it's something I'm working on.
00:34:25
◼
►
But you know it's gotta be a struggle for me, right?
00:34:28
◼
►
There are a lot of stuff that I actually can't buy.
00:34:31
◼
►
like Eero for example, right?
00:34:33
◼
►
They're a great company.
00:34:34
◼
►
I really want their product,
00:34:36
◼
►
but I can't plug it into my wall.
00:34:38
◼
►
So that's why like when it goes to the Eero ads,
00:34:41
◼
►
I'll throw over to Steve and I, Jason,
00:34:42
◼
►
because they have the product and they've used it.
00:34:45
◼
►
But yeah, it's frustrating.
00:34:46
◼
►
And I actually do know that Eero is trying to expand.
00:34:50
◼
►
We have a bunch of companies that like that,
00:34:51
◼
►
they're trying to expand.
00:34:53
◼
►
But that's kind of the way it is.
00:34:55
◼
►
It does suck, but I tell you what,
00:34:58
◼
►
if you live in Europe,
00:35:00
◼
►
Get your friends to listen to the show.
00:35:01
◼
►
Let's disrupt the totals and then we can go crazy.
00:35:04
◼
►
- That's a good question.
00:35:07
◼
►
- I hope that answers it.
00:35:08
◼
►
I know it's tricky.
00:35:09
◼
►
I feel it, but there really is as well
00:35:13
◼
►
just more advertising money in the US.
00:35:15
◼
►
This is just a fact.
00:35:17
◼
►
The podcast market in general is bigger in the US,
00:35:20
◼
►
so the advertisers are there as well.
00:35:22
◼
►
It's economics, I'm afraid.
00:35:24
◼
►
Storm asked, "Who created/manages
00:35:28
◼
►
The Relay FM show notes system is truly best in class.
00:35:32
◼
►
It's the most convenient implementation
00:35:34
◼
►
I've seen so effective.
00:35:35
◼
►
Thank you so much for saying that.
00:35:38
◼
►
- Yeah, so we have a custom content management system
00:35:43
◼
►
that we license and we end up purchasing
00:35:45
◼
►
from the developer who wrote it.
00:35:47
◼
►
And we now develop it ourselves.
00:35:49
◼
►
And so everything you see is designed and chosen purposefully
00:35:54
◼
►
and we're always working on it.
00:35:55
◼
►
We're always pushing things to it.
00:35:57
◼
►
Most of those aren't seen by the public, although some are.
00:36:01
◼
►
So it's-- yeah, so thank you.
00:36:02
◼
►
It's a lot of hard work and a lot of going back and forth,
00:36:04
◼
►
trying to figure out how to do things in it.
00:36:06
◼
►
But yeah, I agree.
00:36:08
◼
►
I think we do really-- I think all of our hosts
00:36:11
◼
►
do a good job putting links in and putting content in there.
00:36:14
◼
►
And I know it's frustrating to me
00:36:15
◼
►
if I listen to a show elsewhere and I
00:36:17
◼
►
go to find a link about something they're talking about
00:36:19
◼
►
and they don't have it.
00:36:20
◼
►
Or they could give it to their website or something.
00:36:22
◼
►
It's not just a technology thing.
00:36:23
◼
►
It's also a mentality thing.
00:36:25
◼
►
everybody here, we like to include additional materials into the notes. It's just a way
00:36:31
◼
►
that we will operate.
00:36:32
◼
►
Yup, so yeah, so thank you. That's something we strive to work hard on.
00:36:38
◼
►
Man, the names!
00:36:41
◼
►
Munish asks, "When are you going to do the next London Meetup?"
00:36:48
◼
►
Probably in June again before WWDC. We had a great time last time when Federico came
00:36:53
◼
►
I'm probably gonna wait to do it then,
00:36:57
◼
►
'cause it was a lot of work to try
00:36:59
◼
►
and get that thing organized.
00:37:00
◼
►
So hopefully we're gonna do it all again in June
00:37:04
◼
►
if Federico comes to London again like he did.
00:37:06
◼
►
So that'll be a lot of fun.
00:37:07
◼
►
And then, you know, it's not just London though.
00:37:11
◼
►
Let me think, what are we gonna be doing?
00:37:12
◼
►
We're doing, hopefully, Atlanta for the Pen Show.
00:37:17
◼
►
Should be going to DC for the DC Pen Show as well,
00:37:20
◼
►
which is in August.
00:37:21
◼
►
So I'll be doing some stuff there.
00:37:23
◼
►
We do some meetups there.
00:37:24
◼
►
San Francisco again, right?
00:37:25
◼
►
That's on the cards.
00:37:27
◼
►
We're gonna try and do a relaycon San Francisco.
00:37:29
◼
►
And then there'll be some London meetups.
00:37:32
◼
►
So we're trying to expand it.
00:37:33
◼
►
It's really difficult to arrange these sorts of things,
00:37:38
◼
►
especially to do them right.
00:37:39
◼
►
I mean, I could show up in a bar and just say,
00:37:41
◼
►
"Hey, come to the bar," but I don't like to do that.
00:37:43
◼
►
We like to try and arrange it with the locations
00:37:46
◼
►
and make sure that there's people there
00:37:48
◼
►
like from a security perspective
00:37:50
◼
►
and just to make sure that everybody's safe and having fun
00:37:53
◼
►
and that it's all correctly arranged.
00:37:55
◼
►
So we're trying to do more of those things,
00:37:59
◼
►
mainly because I love meetups, I love them,
00:38:02
◼
►
to get to meet people and say hi
00:38:04
◼
►
and to be able to walk into a room and see actual people
00:38:08
◼
►
and they all listen to your show
00:38:10
◼
►
is one of the best feelings in the entire world.
00:38:14
◼
►
- It's pretty awesome. - Yeah.
00:38:15
◼
►
So yeah, we're trying to do more of them
00:38:17
◼
►
and I think over the coming years,
00:38:19
◼
►
we'll do more and more as more things get on the schedule,
00:38:26
◼
►
- All right, so, yeah, next up, Farzan.
00:38:31
◼
►
Farzan said, "Not a question.
00:38:32
◼
►
"Just wanted to say thank you.
00:38:34
◼
►
"I couldn't imagine how much work it would take
00:38:36
◼
►
"to manage a podcast network."
00:38:37
◼
►
- All of the work, but thank you.
00:38:40
◼
►
- It's all great work.
00:38:41
◼
►
Yeah, it's a lot of work, but it's a lot of fun work.
00:38:45
◼
►
- Yeah, Jonathan asks, "How long did it take
00:38:48
◼
►
to make relationships with your new co-hosts and build up Relay FM? How do you reach out
00:38:56
◼
►
I think, really, it's been a gradual process of working alongside and getting to know people
00:39:06
◼
►
online in a little bubble over the last five to six years. I look at most of the people
00:39:13
◼
►
that are a part of Relay FM and I've known them for a long time, interacted with them
00:39:19
◼
►
for a long time and I think it's for both of us like the relationships that we built
00:39:24
◼
►
with people over many years of working and producing content built a level of trust I
00:39:31
◼
►
hope that made these people want to come to us, right?
00:39:36
◼
►
- Yeah, yeah it's been a long time, you know.
00:39:40
◼
►
You and I have been doing this a long time.
00:39:43
◼
►
We've been working in this space for like six years.
00:39:46
◼
►
I've been writing even longer than that.
00:39:47
◼
►
Like it's not an overnight thing.
00:39:49
◼
►
And a relay's only, well now two and a half years old.
00:39:52
◼
►
But the ground work and everything that went into that,
00:39:56
◼
►
we had a running start into it.
00:39:58
◼
►
And it takes time, you know.
00:40:00
◼
►
I think something that people don't realize
00:40:04
◼
►
when they're starting out,
00:40:05
◼
►
or starting something new is that you have to give it space,
00:40:07
◼
►
you have to give it time to grow,
00:40:10
◼
►
and that can be really frustrating, right?
00:40:12
◼
►
We worked here a long time with no one knowing who we were
00:40:15
◼
►
and not making any money, but it gets there.
00:40:19
◼
►
You just have to have patience, you have to have trust,
00:40:21
◼
►
you have to let it happen organically.
00:40:24
◼
►
If you try to force it, then it can be weird and not work.
00:40:27
◼
►
- We have a couple of questions
00:40:28
◼
►
coming in from the chat room.
00:40:30
◼
►
Milad asks, I know you are not seemingly interested
00:40:34
◼
►
doing video podcasts anytime but do you have plans to publish video snippets of
00:40:38
◼
►
each episode? Not really, honestly. We put Cortex on YouTube because it makes sense
00:40:46
◼
►
to put Cortex on YouTube because Gray has a large YouTube presence. Outside of
00:40:52
◼
►
that I'm honestly not convinced that it's worth the amount of time that it
00:40:59
◼
►
would take. Do you agree with that? I agree with time and investment that
00:41:04
◼
►
that video is, we both know it from our own YouTube stuff,
00:41:08
◼
►
personally that video is expensive and time consuming
00:41:11
◼
►
and the reality is, podcasts, I'm sitting in my office,
00:41:15
◼
►
I'm wearing headphones, I have a curtain behind me,
00:41:18
◼
►
like it doesn't make for compelling video,
00:41:20
◼
►
so I think if we, right now you and I
00:41:23
◼
►
are exploring YouTube independently,
00:41:25
◼
►
but if we were able to do something on YouTube together
00:41:27
◼
►
as relay, it would not be this, it would be something else,
00:41:33
◼
►
some other type of format, some other sort of content.
00:41:35
◼
►
- We have the idea of doing something, right?
00:41:38
◼
►
We don't have an idea, but we have definitely said
00:41:41
◼
►
if something comes up, we would do it,
00:41:43
◼
►
like a Relay FM YouTube project.
00:41:47
◼
►
We just don't have any really compelling ideas, I think.
00:41:51
◼
►
- And Will asked, what was the first Relay FM episode,
00:41:56
◼
►
I can't even remember, so, and then R.H.O. in the chatroom
00:41:59
◼
►
dug up the web archive so you can go and take a look yourself, but I'll put it in the show
00:42:05
◼
►
We did, um, I think our launch went really well.
00:42:09
◼
►
Uh, and in a way that I think we didn't necessarily expect, but I think hopefully what it shows
00:42:14
◼
►
is that we knew what we were doing at the time.
00:42:17
◼
►
We had five shows and the first episode of all of those shows we published on launch
00:42:23
◼
►
So all simultaneously.
00:42:24
◼
►
We had, I interviewed Marco and we were talking about like Overcast and his kind of place
00:42:33
◼
►
in the world at that point.
00:42:34
◼
►
We did a special of Connected about the origin and evolution of the iPod.
00:42:41
◼
►
The Pan-Addict, we just did episode 116.
00:42:44
◼
►
We just came back and just did a show because we're taking a break.
00:42:49
◼
►
The first episode of Virtual, which was the video game show which became remaster, me
00:42:54
◼
►
me and Federico spoke about our experiences with the,
00:42:56
◼
►
I think, newly released PS4,
00:42:58
◼
►
and then the first episode of Analog,
00:43:00
◼
►
which was the first truly new show,
00:43:01
◼
►
like that hadn't been rebranded in any way,
00:43:04
◼
►
we did the first episode of a new show
00:43:06
◼
►
where me and Casey introduced
00:43:07
◼
►
what Analog would be to the world.
00:43:09
◼
►
- Man, like this archive.org link is,
00:43:15
◼
►
it's just crazy how small things were.
00:43:17
◼
►
- Yeah, yeah, that was a long time ago, August 2014.
00:43:23
◼
►
was. Next question kind of fits in with that question from Eddie. There are so
00:43:29
◼
►
many great relay shows I try to keep up with too many how do I decide what to
00:43:33
◼
►
listen to? So my recommendation for this would be go to our homepage because we
00:43:38
◼
►
put the descriptions on the homepage if you want to find something new take a
00:43:42
◼
►
look at what interests you episode wise like what topics are talking about and
00:43:46
◼
►
just press play just hit the link and go press play you can listen to them on the
00:43:50
◼
►
website if you want or you can go to our app you can download our app from the
00:43:53
◼
►
the iTunes store and it's the same. We've got the descriptions right there and you can
00:43:57
◼
►
just press play and just try some stuff.
00:44:00
◼
►
Yeah, and we're working on ways on the website to make it kind of easier to explore things
00:44:09
◼
►
so I would say keep your eyes open for that. One thing we're talking about is if you're
00:44:15
◼
►
listening to Connected, having a way to surface other shows kind of about similar topics and
00:44:20
◼
►
And so we're thinking and working on some ways
00:44:22
◼
►
to kind of make that easier.
00:44:24
◼
►
And I would add that iTunes reviews are a good tool as well.
00:44:27
◼
►
If you're interested in a show,
00:44:28
◼
►
see what people on iTunes have to say.
00:44:31
◼
►
If you listen to some shows,
00:44:33
◼
►
this will be my every once in a while plug
00:44:36
◼
►
to go review them on iTunes.
00:44:37
◼
►
It takes a couple of minutes. - Yeah, we never ask.
00:44:38
◼
►
- And it really is helpful.
00:44:39
◼
►
- We never ask. - Yeah.
00:44:40
◼
►
- Go and review your favorite Relay FM shows on iTunes.
00:44:42
◼
►
It actually does help.
00:44:44
◼
►
It helps people find the shows.
00:44:46
◼
►
- It totally does.
00:44:48
◼
►
So yeah, so there's a bunch of good ways.
00:44:49
◼
►
And you can always ask recommendations, you know,
00:44:51
◼
►
if you are interested, ask us on Twitter or email us
00:44:55
◼
►
and maybe we can point you in the right direction.
00:44:58
◼
►
- Friend of the show Jonas asked,
00:45:00
◼
►
do you have a dream guest or host for your shows?
00:45:04
◼
►
And I will just throw out to people
00:45:05
◼
►
that I am very interested in.
00:45:08
◼
►
Casey Neistat, who we already spoke about,
00:45:10
◼
►
and MKBHD, they're white whales.
00:45:13
◼
►
I don't think anything will,
00:45:15
◼
►
actually I know nothing will ever come of that,
00:45:17
◼
►
but a man can dream.
00:45:18
◼
►
What about Casey Liss? That guy, right? Yeah, he'd be a good one. He would be great. We
00:45:24
◼
►
should send him an email. I think he'd be really good.
00:45:28
◼
►
Kathy asks, "What has been the most exciting surprise that came out this year that you
00:45:32
◼
►
no longer have to keep hitting?" You should say it first, because I agree with
00:45:36
◼
►
yours, but I could drill down a little bit. I would say RelayCon in San Francisco. We
00:45:44
◼
►
We worked very hard on that for a very long time.
00:45:47
◼
►
- Close to a year.
00:45:48
◼
►
- Yeah, and it was like, I was on phone calls
00:45:51
◼
►
with people in San Francisco, like multiple times a week
00:45:53
◼
►
at one point, and it was a lot of work.
00:45:55
◼
►
- And it was expensive, and we had no idea
00:45:57
◼
►
if we were gonna make the money back.
00:45:59
◼
►
- It was super expensive.
00:46:01
◼
►
And we put the tickets up for sale,
00:46:05
◼
►
and we sold out and had a huge waiting list,
00:46:07
◼
►
and it was just the most amazing feeling I've had
00:46:11
◼
►
of seeing something that we worked so hard on
00:46:13
◼
►
successful so so I agree like that like the relay con thing was great and
00:46:17
◼
►
announcing really commas awesome but we had like layers like relay con was a
00:46:21
◼
►
light a tiered level of surprise event and when we when I introduced gray onto
00:46:28
◼
►
stage that was pretty awesome I think anybody I mean people could have maybe
00:46:32
◼
►
guessed that we would do a live event one day I don't think anybody would have
00:46:37
◼
►
guessed that we would have been able to convince gray to come out for it right
00:46:41
◼
►
So that was really awesome. I have no idea what RelayCon will look like next year.
00:46:48
◼
►
Somebody asked me this the other day and I was like, "Nope, I have no idea."
00:46:52
◼
►
So we've got some time to think about that. I have none. I have zero ideas.
00:46:58
◼
►
If you have ideas, please give me them. I need them.
00:47:02
◼
►
Alright, we have a bunch more questions. As well, if you're in the chat room and you have any questions,
00:47:07
◼
►
please send them in whilst maybe Steven can look at some of those.
00:47:11
◼
►
I'll take a moment to thank our friends over at MailRoute for supporting this week's episode.
00:47:17
◼
►
You know who should handle your email security and delivery.
00:47:20
◼
►
People who do only that. People you can trust.
00:47:23
◼
►
Someone like MailRoute.
00:47:26
◼
►
All the big companies that have been handling email protection are bowing out.
00:47:30
◼
►
Because frankly, it's a really hard job.
00:47:33
◼
►
Postini went away.
00:47:34
◼
►
McAfee and MX Logic have just decided they're not going to do it anymore. Even Google have said
00:47:39
◼
►
that they would prefer it if you use a gateway service like MailRoute so they don't have to
00:47:44
◼
►
filter your Google Apps email anymore. So who can you trust to do the job properly and still
00:47:51
◼
►
be around MailRoute? The company that has been focused entirely on email security since 1997.
00:48:00
◼
►
Kids, that's a long time. MailRoute protects your email and hardware against spam,
00:48:06
◼
►
viruses and other threats, and they deliver your mail even when your mail server cannot.
00:48:11
◼
►
That is a thing called mail bagging. There's no hardware or software to install. If you own your
00:48:17
◼
►
domain, that's all you need to use MailRoute. Their interface is easy to navigate and loaded
00:48:22
◼
►
with admin tools, including an API, and it's all designed to make your life better. No spam,
00:48:27
◼
►
No viruses, no bounced mail. Whether you're a small home business or a huge ISP, MailRoute
00:48:34
◼
►
handles customers of all sizes. They can take care of you and provide the same level of outstanding
00:48:40
◼
►
support to everyone. MailRoute protects your email from spam and viruses and guarantees mail access
00:48:46
◼
►
during outages. That's it. That's all they do and frankly they do it better than anybody else.
00:48:53
◼
►
Stop spam today, sign up for a 30 day trial at mailroute.net/connected
00:48:59
◼
►
and because you're a listener of this show, you'll get 10% off for the lifetime of your account.
00:49:04
◼
►
Thank you so much to MailRoute for their continued support of this show and Relay FM
00:49:09
◼
►
and for letting me say mail bagging as much as I like.
00:49:12
◼
►
[whispers] Mail bagging.
00:49:13
◼
►
Mail bagging is the best word. It is the best word.
00:49:17
◼
►
Brendan asked, "When will you make an official Relay FM subreddit?"
00:49:22
◼
►
- So we do hold R/Relay FM, but at this point we really can't manage another social platform.
00:49:33
◼
►
For a while we had like an IFTTTTTT putting new episodes in there, but we didn't feel
00:49:41
◼
►
like that was the right way to handle it and there's not really bandwidth to manage it
00:49:45
◼
►
at this point, so I get like the one time I'm logging into Reddit there's always people
00:49:50
◼
►
trying to get into it.
00:49:51
◼
►
I understand that, we will do something, but we haven't really found what the right answer
00:49:57
◼
►
So I'm kind of just holding it.
00:49:59
◼
►
Maybe that's not good reticut, but too bad.
00:50:01
◼
►
I've never heard that word before, is that a thing?
00:50:04
◼
►
It is an r/apple which is run by some of the most iron-fisted mods.
00:50:13
◼
►
Yeah, it's...
00:50:16
◼
►
To really do it well, it takes you being in there?
00:50:20
◼
►
Right, and that's a lie would want like the host to be in there, right?
00:50:25
◼
►
Like so someone's talking about the pin ad when Brad to be there and like we just can't promise that so so we don't do
00:50:29
◼
►
It it's the same reason why we don't have something like a slack. It's
00:50:32
◼
►
It's asking a lot from a moderation perspective and it's asking a lot
00:50:36
◼
►
For all of our hosts to be actively involved. We have a lot of people. Yep
00:50:42
◼
►
Ed wants to know what's your favorite episode of a relay show that you were not on?
00:50:49
◼
►
Hmm. I would probably say almost anything Free Agents. I know it's not maybe like the
00:50:57
◼
►
most fun and exciting. It's definitely not as funny as your choice. But I love Free Agents
00:51:05
◼
►
and I love what they talk about. So I really wish I was part of that show. What about you?
00:51:10
◼
►
So one of my favorite Real AFM shows is Top 4 because Top 4 is unlike any show I listen
00:51:20
◼
►
to and my favorite thing about Top 4 is the continued layering of new and exciting experimental
00:51:31
◼
►
things that the armettes decide to do.
00:51:34
◼
►
It feels like they just continue to get more and more, I can't think of the word, like
00:51:39
◼
►
ambitious and one of my favorite episodes of this was the pizza toppings episode because
00:51:46
◼
►
not only did they get all of the pizza and eat it, they then went to interview their
00:51:50
◼
►
local pizza guy to talk about the pizza. This was just a really funny and well put together
00:51:57
◼
►
episode. So I would say top four episode 14 pizza toppings.
00:52:02
◼
►
It's good. It's good. It's a good choice.
00:52:06
◼
►
Brian asks, "What weird merchandise have you considered putting on sale?"
00:52:12
◼
►
So I want to sell everything. I want to do mugs, I want to do hats, I want to do patches,
00:52:19
◼
►
I want to do badges, I want to do like wall decals, I want to do everything. I want to
00:52:24
◼
►
sell everything. But, logistics are horrific.
00:52:29
◼
►
are and merchandise is expensive to do it right.
00:52:35
◼
►
Markintosh in the chat room asked, you know, have you thought about putting relay graphics
00:52:38
◼
►
on something like cafe press so people can kind of apply it to different things?
00:52:42
◼
►
We have a problem with this, which is a problem that both me and Steven have, which is caring
00:52:49
◼
►
maybe a little bit too much about quality.
00:52:52
◼
►
And so two things.
00:52:55
◼
►
One, some sites, I won't say who, don't do that good of a job.
00:52:58
◼
►
so we don't want our stuff to be on it.
00:53:00
◼
►
But two, our logo has transparency in it,
00:53:03
◼
►
which makes it extremely difficult to print
00:53:06
◼
►
and to screen onto things.
00:53:07
◼
►
So we have, if you're gonna have t-shirts,
00:53:09
◼
►
we have an alternative version.
00:53:10
◼
►
- And also our show artwork is complex.
00:53:14
◼
►
- Yeah, it's super complicated.
00:53:15
◼
►
So when we put something out, we have to work
00:53:17
◼
►
like directly with whoever's printing it most of the time.
00:53:20
◼
►
The current relay shirts are a much simpler version,
00:53:23
◼
►
so we could print them.
00:53:26
◼
►
And it's just hard, and it's a lot of money to put up front,
00:53:30
◼
►
and it takes a lot of time to make that money back.
00:53:32
◼
►
And it's just something that, like, we have a store,
00:53:35
◼
►
like we'll put a link in the show notes.
00:53:36
◼
►
We actually have a sale right now, if you're listening.
00:53:40
◼
►
- What's the coupon code?
00:53:41
◼
►
- I'm looking it up, give me a second.
00:53:43
◼
►
- Yep, who knows, right?
00:53:44
◼
►
Who would know that?
00:53:45
◼
►
- I would know that.
00:53:47
◼
►
- I just have to find it.
00:53:48
◼
►
- I'm just vamping for you right now while you find it.
00:53:50
◼
►
- Tell some jokes.
00:53:54
◼
►
Relay 16 is the current 16% off everything in the store.
00:53:57
◼
►
- So we currently have the new logo shirt, the longer one.
00:54:00
◼
►
We have a limited supply of the old logo shirt.
00:54:03
◼
►
We have the Relay FM stickers and we have the badges
00:54:07
◼
►
and we also have the artwork sticker,
00:54:09
◼
►
which I loved so much the design.
00:54:11
◼
►
I got it tattooed on my body.
00:54:14
◼
►
And it's the same size.
00:54:15
◼
►
So if you wanna pretend to be me,
00:54:17
◼
►
you can buy the sticker and stick it on your arm.
00:54:21
◼
►
The pins, the buttons are really underrated.
00:54:23
◼
►
They're super nice. - Pens.
00:54:24
◼
►
Yeah, just so you know, it sounds like he says pens
00:54:26
◼
►
when he says that.
00:54:27
◼
►
We aren't selling pens.
00:54:29
◼
►
Oh, that's another thing.
00:54:30
◼
►
I wanna sell pens. - Pens.
00:54:32
◼
►
- I wanna sell pens real bad.
00:54:34
◼
►
That's one thing that we might do one day.
00:54:38
◼
►
Out of everything, that's one thing we might do.
00:54:40
◼
►
- Yeah, so it's, yeah, good question about merchandise.
00:54:44
◼
►
Yeah, it's a complicated world.
00:54:47
◼
►
- Yeah, I really wish we could do more of it
00:54:49
◼
►
because I love it.
00:54:50
◼
►
Like I like to own things with our logos and artwork on them.
00:54:54
◼
►
It's one of the reasons why we do
00:54:56
◼
►
an obscene amount of t-shirts.
00:54:57
◼
►
I like to have this stuff,
00:55:01
◼
►
but it's really hard to do more than t-shirts, honestly.
00:55:04
◼
►
- Yeah, it is.
00:55:07
◼
►
Kate asks, and I love this question,
00:55:11
◼
►
since you quit your jobs, how has it been different
00:55:13
◼
►
from what you were expecting?
00:55:15
◼
►
This is the exact topic of the talk I gave
00:55:19
◼
►
release notes back in September and I will share that talk when they get it
00:55:24
◼
►
posted and basically for me like it's been super rewarding professionally but
00:55:30
◼
►
personally a lot harder than I expected. For me it's really hard to find a
00:55:34
◼
►
healthy work-life balance. I had a lot of like pre-conceived notions of what it
00:55:41
◼
►
would be like that just aren't true or at least aren't true by default. Like you
00:55:47
◼
►
You can work for them.
00:55:48
◼
►
It's just things like seeing your family more,
00:55:50
◼
►
things like having greater financial freedom,
00:55:53
◼
►
things like having greater flexibility and hours.
00:55:56
◼
►
All that is possible, but you have to really work for it.
00:55:59
◼
►
It's not given to you the second you walk out
00:56:03
◼
►
of your day job.
00:56:04
◼
►
And so for me, my first year has really been,
00:56:08
◼
►
or was really adjusting to that and trying to put things
00:56:12
◼
►
in place so I can have better work-life balance
00:56:14
◼
►
in these things.
00:56:15
◼
►
And so far those things are working really well,
00:56:17
◼
►
there's more to do.
00:56:19
◼
►
But for me it's just like it's not a cakewalk.
00:56:21
◼
►
And I thought that there would be some things
00:56:23
◼
►
that would be easier than they were.
00:56:25
◼
►
But definitely still worth it.
00:56:27
◼
►
Definitely super rewarding professionally.
00:56:29
◼
►
And really wouldn't be the company it is today
00:56:32
◼
►
without both of us in it full time.
00:56:34
◼
►
So, it's a good question.
00:56:37
◼
►
What about you, Myke?
00:56:38
◼
►
- So I've been thinking about this,
00:56:40
◼
►
and one of the things for me was I did it so quickly,
00:56:44
◼
►
didn't really spend a lot of time thinking about it practically. All I had
00:56:49
◼
►
was dreams, like the dream scenario, and that is what it is. The dream scenario
00:56:54
◼
►
is that I don't have a job that makes me sad anymore and I get to do what I love.
00:57:01
◼
►
Like that's kind of it and that's it, so I'm happy with that.
00:57:06
◼
►
Then there are things that just change, just things that
00:57:11
◼
►
just change as time goes on. And one of the things for me was just like
00:57:17
◼
►
realizing, recently realizing that I didn't have a creative side project
00:57:23
◼
►
which was weird and then I you know it was like oh but now I do my creative
00:57:27
◼
►
side projects as my job which is podcasting so that's why I started the
00:57:31
◼
►
YouTube thing so it just helps me have another creative outlet. That was
00:57:36
◼
►
that was a funny thing realizing that like when your side project becomes your
00:57:39
◼
►
job, people that had side projects before still need a side project. And I didn't
00:57:45
◼
►
expect that but funnily enough I still need that side project outlet to
00:57:50
◼
►
help me with the other stuff.
00:57:54
◼
►
Yeah I think that's good.
00:57:59
◼
►
Neil asked if you could go back in time to when you were starting Relay, what advice
00:58:04
◼
►
would you give yourself or what would you do differently?
00:58:09
◼
►
- I would say, it's very much related to my answer
00:58:14
◼
►
a second ago, that you need to give it time
00:58:21
◼
►
and you need to trust your decision making.
00:58:25
◼
►
So I think I'm like this more than you are maybe,
00:58:29
◼
►
where I will second guess things or I'll come back
00:58:32
◼
►
to a decision that we made and question it again.
00:58:34
◼
►
And that is a healthy thing to do to a degree,
00:58:38
◼
►
Sometimes I turn into this ball of anxiety over it.
00:58:42
◼
►
And what I've had to learn is that we set up processes,
00:58:46
◼
►
we've set up things in our business,
00:58:47
◼
►
and that they work really well.
00:58:49
◼
►
They're efficient, they are clear, they are easy to manage,
00:58:54
◼
►
and if something is working, I need to trust that
00:58:58
◼
►
and let it do its thing, let the process,
00:59:02
◼
►
let the job take care of itself and focus in other areas.
00:59:06
◼
►
And so that's something that I've really had to learn.
00:59:07
◼
►
is something that I would definitely have told myself two years ago, two and a half
00:59:11
◼
►
years ago, you know, hey, once you make a decision and you move forward from it and
00:59:15
◼
►
it's working, then, um, let it do its thing. So I think for me, uh, things feel good right
00:59:25
◼
►
now. Um, the business is good that things are trending up with, with doing well. So
00:59:32
◼
►
I wouldn't do anything differently because anything that I've considered a mistake we've
00:59:37
◼
►
made mistakes, we've done things that we wouldn't do again, but we can only know about those
00:59:43
◼
►
and get to where we are because it happened. Right? It's the butterfly effect type thing.
00:59:48
◼
►
If we didn't, if we went back and if I said to people, "Don't sign that contract!" You
00:59:52
◼
►
know, then maybe we wouldn't be where we are right now. So, I think it's all for the best.
00:59:59
◼
►
All right, and our last question is from Stuart. Stuart asks, "What was it like when you first
01:00:07
◼
►
reached out to somebody besides the two of us for a show or accepted somebody like what
01:00:14
◼
►
was it can we give any kind of examples of that kind of feeling so I think that mostly
01:00:23
◼
►
you know it's similar to like the answer to the question earlier about how shows are made
01:00:27
◼
►
most of the time people contact us as opposed to us contacting people you know and then
01:00:34
◼
►
we talk about shows together. And I think the two that stand out for me the most would
01:00:41
◼
►
be Jason Snell, because Jason took a chance on us incredibly early. We had been around
01:00:49
◼
►
for like a month when Jason contacted about upgrading clockwise. So that was a huge validation
01:00:56
◼
►
for us at that point when somebody with the reputation like Jason would come and say,
01:01:02
◼
►
I want to work with you guys on part of my new self-employed business.
01:01:08
◼
►
That was huge.
01:01:10
◼
►
And then when Merlin Mann and John Siracusa came to us to say that they wanted to do a
01:01:14
◼
►
show together and they wanted it to be on relay, that was kind of like a dream come
01:01:18
◼
►
true moment, I think.
01:01:21
◼
►
Totally agree.
01:01:22
◼
►
And it's, you know, it's fun.
01:01:26
◼
►
I mean, they're sort of like the well-known examples, but for me, like, any time somebody
01:01:31
◼
►
wants to do something with us, I find it humbling that they want to have Relay be the home for
01:01:37
◼
►
their thing. And we have to turn down a lot of people, we have to turn down a lot of pitches,
01:01:40
◼
►
but in those conversations, that's always something I try to say of like, you know,
01:01:45
◼
►
thank you for considering what we've built a good place for your project to be. So I
01:01:50
◼
►
find it amazing and humbling and it's a really been a fun adventure to get to know a bunch
01:01:57
◼
►
of people. I mean not only people like Jason and Merlin who John who people know but bringing
01:02:03
◼
►
new voices into the industry you know helping people develop their first shows. All of that
01:02:09
◼
►
is great. All of that is fun. All of that is challenging and it's something that doesn't
01:02:15
◼
►
get old for me. No. And I guess if we're looking at 2017 what are we going to do? Who knows?
01:02:23
◼
►
But we actually have some ideas and some things we're working through right now and I think
01:02:28
◼
►
they're very exciting and if you go back and listen to our Q&A that we did in August for
01:02:35
◼
►
our birthday, we spoke about...
01:02:37
◼
►
Yeah, well you spoke.
01:02:38
◼
►
I was super sick.
01:02:39
◼
►
Yeah, you were super sick.
01:02:41
◼
►
You were just nodding.
01:02:43
◼
►
We spoke about diversity of people and diversity of topics.
01:02:48
◼
►
I think we've shown that so far, some of the shows that we've had launched since then,
01:02:54
◼
►
that we are moving more towards that and for the projects that we are very early in discussing,
01:03:01
◼
►
that continues to be a key driving factor.
01:03:04
◼
►
Relay FM is a technology focused network but I think something that you coined which I
01:03:10
◼
►
really like is that we are moving towards a world of being technology adjacent as well
01:03:16
◼
►
as focused which I really like that so we're going to keep moving towards there and we're
01:03:20
◼
►
going to keep trying to unearth new people and working with people that you may know
01:03:25
◼
►
to make great shows so that's kind of where we are that's where we're going.
01:03:29
◼
►
Sounds good let's do it. So thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of Connected.
01:03:36
◼
►
Next week we should be back to normal who knows Federico is out there in the ether he's fine
01:03:45
◼
►
He just, him and Steven just had a really bad falling out.
01:03:48
◼
►
So hopefully we can, I can build bridges, amend relationships before next week's episode.
01:03:57
◼
►
We'll have to wait and see.
01:03:58
◼
►
If you want to find our show notes, go to relay.fm/connected/119.
01:04:03
◼
►
You can find Federico online at Vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I.
01:04:07
◼
►
You can tweet at him and say "forgive Steven".
01:04:11
◼
►
The more people that tweet to Federico and say forgive Steven, the more likelihood we
01:04:17
◼
►
will have of getting the gang back together next week to create another episode of the
01:04:25
◼
►
world's greatest podcast.
01:04:28
◼
►
You can find Steven online.
01:04:30
◼
►
He is at ISMH on Twitter and he's at firetotopixels.net Federico is also at maxsories.net.
01:04:35
◼
►
I am at iMyke, I am YKE.
01:04:38
◼
►
Thanks again to Footcardigan, Away and Mail Route for supporting this week's show.
01:04:42
◼
►
Thank you all for listening, thank you to everybody that answered the questions.
01:04:45
◼
►
We'll be back next time.
01:04:46
◼
►
Until then, say goodbye Steven.