Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 138. Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace,

00:00:14 ◼   ► Mac, Weldon and Audible. My name is Myke Hurley. I missed Federico and Steven too much, so I decided

00:00:20 ◼   ► to make an about face turn on my previous decision of leaving the show forever and I'm back.

00:00:26 ◼   ► And Steven is here. Hello, Steven.

00:00:28 ◼   ► Hello, Myke. Welcome back.

00:00:30 ◼   ► Thank you, Federico. How could I leave you?

00:00:32 ◼   ► Bentornado, Myke.

00:00:34 ◼   ► Thank you so much. You could have said literally anything to me, but I'm assuming that you said "Welcome back."

00:00:38 ◼   ► It means "Welcome back."

00:00:40 ◼   ► Yeah, but you could say it means "Welcome back."

00:00:42 ◼   ► It could mean anything. I don't know what it means.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Well, this is good to know. I will make sure to remember this in the future.

00:00:47 ◼   ► And say whatever I want to you.

00:00:49 ◼   ► And there's nothing you can do.

00:00:51 ◼   ► I have just spent, I have just spent like about four or five days living in that reality

00:00:58 ◼   ► of people saying things to me and me having no idea what they said because I was in Romania with Adina's family.

00:01:04 ◼   ► She was there too. I wasn't just there with them,

00:01:07 ◼   ► nobody speaking to each other, because they all speak Romanian and do not speak English.

00:01:12 ◼   ► So... Well, the next step is to do the same on a podcast.

00:01:16 ◼   ► It just makes sense to me. So to have them on the show and then we both have two different conversations.

00:01:21 ◼   ► I have my conversation and they have their conversation.

00:01:25 ◼   ► I mean, I hate to put on the co-founder hat for a second, but I don't think that show

00:01:29 ◼   ► is going to perform the way we need it to as a business.

00:01:30 ◼   ► We like niche podcasts.

00:01:32 ◼   ► This is a very niche.

00:01:33 ◼   ► This is very niche.

00:01:36 ◼   ► It's just people that can speak both languages.

00:01:39 ◼   ► I think you've confused that word with "confusing," not niche.

00:01:42 ◼   ► Okay, so we have some follow-up.

00:01:44 ◼   ► Copyright John Siracusa.

00:01:45 ◼   ► Yep, copyright John Siracusa, in case anybody didn't know.

00:01:49 ◼   ► Sir Q's a great follow-up and now we are all just we're benefiting from his glorious creation

00:01:55 ◼   ► It's all right. I have a picture of him on the wall that I touch anytime. I do follow up that is only mildly creepy

00:02:01 ◼   ► Steven but okay

00:02:03 ◼   ► So we did trivia last week, and I caught this error while editing the show

00:02:10 ◼   ► But there was no way to edit around it

00:02:12 ◼   ► The actual score was three point five three point five we actually tied

00:02:17 ◼   ► What happened is I said I was gonna give you a half point for the LTE answer, and I gave you no points

00:02:23 ◼   ► But my generosity was my downfall because I gave you two points for the software update

00:02:31 ◼   ► Pricing thing and that tied it so do not try to backtrack on your decision you you I am had a strip

00:02:37 ◼   ► Yes, I did you you had a strategy. Yes. You still what you still want to be fair. I was kind of terrible at the answers

00:02:45 ◼   ► These are just not the kind of details that I remember, you know?

00:02:49 ◼   ► So you won the game and I expected you to win because you're much more...

00:02:55 ◼   ► Is there an objective to describe a person with very encyclopedia-like knowledge?

00:03:00 ◼   ► You're very encyclopediac.

00:03:02 ◼   ► Perfect.

00:03:03 ◼   ► That's perfect.

00:03:04 ◼   ► Yeah, we did that.

00:03:06 ◼   ► Nailed it.

00:03:07 ◼   ► Good work, everyone.

00:03:08 ◼   ► Shut it down.

00:03:09 ◼   ► I will say, so I listened to the show last week and I enjoyed this segment very much,

00:03:13 ◼   ► but you two both suck at scoring. You both suck at keeping score and delivering scores.

00:03:18 ◼   ► It made no sense. It's like, oh, I'll just give you two points for this one. I'll give you half

00:03:23 ◼   ► a point for this. It's like points flying everywhere. I feel like I had a hand in helping

00:03:29 ◼   ► judge the questions, but for everybody listening out there, I had absolutely no hand in the way

00:03:33 ◼   ► that points would be allocated because it seemed to be given completely haphazardly.

00:03:38 ◼   ► Well then we should do it again, you can be the official organizer and scorekeeper of this tournament.

00:03:45 ◼   ► So I do actually very much like that idea, that it should definitely be a tournament,

00:03:49 ◼   ► and because it makes sense that the two of you would set questions for each other based on each

00:03:54 ◼   ► of these things, and I figure we should do it again, and next time maybe I can come up with

00:04:01 ◼   ► questions so the questions will be equally weighted, because they will not stacked equally.

00:04:07 ◼   ► As I said to, and it was repeated on the show, they were both very hard but coming from completely

00:04:12 ◼   ► different places and I think that Steven's encyclopediac mind was kind of Federico's downfall.

00:04:22 ◼   ► It's like you went to the point of like specific spec bump type stuff, where Federico went for more

00:04:29 ◼   ► like marketing and I think it completely just, like the marketing stuff is easier to remember

00:04:37 ◼   ► if you have a non-encyclopediac mind.

00:04:40 ◼   ► Yeah. And it just destroyed me, really.

00:04:44 ◼   ► Yeah, it really did. So I think next time we do this, I will create the questions and

00:04:50 ◼   ► I will score them adequately.

00:04:52 ◼   ► Alright, okay. I will have my revenge, Steven. Be prepared.

00:04:59 ◼   ► Okay.

00:05:00 ◼   ► It'll happen. Don't worry. Actually, do worry.

00:05:05 ◼   ► We also had a double layer error. In the show, I think we said iOS 4.0, we said 4.1, I think merged.

00:05:18 ◼   ► No, we said, you said.

00:05:20 ◼   ► said and really it was iOS 4.2.1 that unified the iPhone and iPad which just

00:05:26 ◼   ► blows my mind they use that as the version number as opposed to 4.3. So I

00:05:30 ◼   ► was wrong but you missed it still so I still win that's what's important here.

00:05:35 ◼   ► Okay fine. While we're picking on you we have a tweet from June of 2016 people

00:05:44 ◼   ► do this to the president so we can do it with you. You heard it here first colon

00:05:49 ◼   ► Hello Tuesday April 18th 2017. Is it really my fault? I'm just taking a picture of the wall at WWDC

00:05:57 ◼   ► Well, so today's April 18th, Federico. Why haven't you done anything amazing?

00:06:01 ◼   ► Well, it wasn't me. Well, I did change my profile picture on Twitter. So that's one. That's what Apple was talking about

00:06:08 ◼   ► Yeah, right, and I actually think I mean right away when I took that photo

00:06:12 ◼   ► Last June people told me it's actually tax day in the United States

00:06:18 ◼   ► So I think we all knew it was all about Tax Day.

00:06:22 ◼   ► There was the idea that Apple was maybe going to open up the new campus, the Apple Park,

00:06:27 ◼   ► but this Apple is obviously not happening today.

00:06:30 ◼   ► Oh god, me and Jason put this bet on with each other a few weeks ago and his point was

00:06:35 ◼   ► that it was Tax Day.

00:06:36 ◼   ► And I was like "No, come on!

00:06:38 ◼   ► They wouldn't do it because it's Tax Day!"

00:06:40 ◼   ► And yeah, it seems like that's the case.

00:06:42 ◼   ► Yeah, it is Tax Day.

00:06:44 ◼   ► someone on Twitter today made an excellent point that most of the sentences in the

00:06:50 ◼   ► in the WWC wall they were actually referring to apps or at least memes in

00:06:56 ◼   ► the developer community so it makes sense to include tax day because there

00:07:00 ◼   ► are a bunch of you know apps for paying taxes for calculating taxes and stuff

00:07:05 ◼   ► like that. And all self-employed people. Yes of course yeah and yeah I mean

00:07:12 ◼   ► there's no big reveal or anything. I mean, besides, you know, my profile picture, which is,

00:07:17 ◼   ► I guess, it is big news in the Apple world today, which is only a reference. But, yeah.

00:07:23 ◼   ► No, no, no big event. I'm sorry, Stephen, no fireworks. No.

00:07:30 ◼   ► Wow. Well, I'm still holding on for a pajama gram or something from Phil Schiller at my door.

00:07:37 ◼   ► So we'll follow up on that.

00:07:39 ◼   ► So we talked, or I talked, Federica listened,

00:07:41 ◼   ► about the Mac last week.

00:07:44 ◼   ► And we had a bunch of email from people kind of sharing

00:07:48 ◼   ► why they love the Mac and sort of echoing what I said

00:07:51 ◼   ► or adding things to it.

00:07:52 ◼   ► And a bunch of people wrote in about the customization

00:07:55 ◼   ► of the Mac.

00:07:56 ◼   ► So things like finder, sidebar, shortcuts, the menu bar,

00:08:00 ◼   ► things you put in the dock, that the Mac can adapt and mold

00:08:03 ◼   ► to what you need it to be.

00:08:04 ◼   ► And iOS feels, at least at this point,

00:08:07 ◼   ► a little more rigid. You have areas for widgets but

00:08:10 ◼   ► the home screen is basically just a grid. You can't pin an app somewhere and

00:08:14 ◼   ► have it always available in the same place.

00:08:16 ◼   ► Some of those little corners for customization just aren't there.

00:08:20 ◼   ► And I was wondering, is that something that you think the iPad

00:08:26 ◼   ► in particular could benefit from? Having some place, you know, "Hey, I always want

00:08:31 ◼   ► Tweetbot to be running and I always want it to be here." I don't even know what that would

00:08:34 ◼   ► look like in iOS, but

00:08:35 ◼   ► Do you guys kind of get what I'm getting at, this idea of a sort of permanence that the

00:08:41 ◼   ► iOS platform doesn't offer?

00:08:42 ◼   ► I think you're thinking of the speciality, maybe, of being able to arrange your workspace

00:08:51 ◼   ► in a very specific way to be able to say, "I always want this document or this application

00:08:57 ◼   ► to always be in this position because it's the way that I arrange my desk and that I

00:09:01 ◼   ► like to work, only in a digital space."

00:09:04 ◼   ► And I do believe there's some room on iOS for that kind of thinking, and especially

00:09:09 ◼   ► in the multitasking view, when you open the Split View, right now the Split View app picker

00:09:15 ◼   ► UI, it's not actually a UI, it's just a terrible list of apps.

00:09:20 ◼   ► And I think there's room for Apple there to have a way to let users, for example, bookmark

00:09:26 ◼   ► certain apps and always place them in the same position in the Split View multitasking

00:09:32 ◼   ► picker.

00:09:33 ◼   ► can say, I open Split View, I open the speaker UI,

00:09:37 ◼   ► and I know that one of my most used apps, such as Numbers

00:09:40 ◼   ► or Tweetbot, is always in the top left of this grid.

00:09:44 ◼   ► It's the same concept of the home screen,

00:09:46 ◼   ► only brought to the multitasking interface, which I guess

00:09:49 ◼   ► is what most people use when it comes to multitasking

00:09:52 ◼   ► on an iPad.

00:09:52 ◼   ► We've seen this on watchOS, right, with the dock there.

00:09:58 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:09:58 ◼   ► You have that honeycomb of apps that you can get lost in,

00:10:02 ◼   ► or you have, how many is it in the dock?

00:10:04 ◼   ► Is it eight or 10 or something?

00:10:05 ◼   ► Have your favorites there.

00:10:07 ◼   ► I like that, I think that metaphor works really well

00:10:10 ◼   ► on the watch.

00:10:11 ◼   ► I think it's kind of an interesting idea

00:10:15 ◼   ► that you could pin something

00:10:16 ◼   ► and so it's kind of reliably in the same place.

00:10:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I think the next step

00:10:20 ◼   ► if you go beyond app icons

00:10:22 ◼   ► would be to kind of, to have extensions

00:10:27 ◼   ► break out from the share sheet

00:10:29 ◼   ► and kind of like on the Mac

00:10:31 ◼   ► where you can customize toolbars and say,

00:10:33 ◼   ► "Well, I want to have my 1Password extension in Safari

00:10:37 ◼   ► to the left of the address bar."

00:10:38 ◼   ► Right now, you cannot do that kind of customization on iOS

00:10:42 ◼   ► because every extension needs to be activated

00:10:45 ◼   ► from the share sheet.

00:10:46 ◼   ► But it would be great if there were a system

00:10:48 ◼   ► where users can say,

00:10:50 ◼   ► "Well, I want to have the activation

00:10:53 ◼   ► for the Twitter share sheet or for 1Password or Workflow,

00:10:58 ◼   ► for example, and I want to pin the specific extensions

00:11:01 ◼   ► somewhere else in the interface.

00:11:03 ◼   ► And that will let you not only save on taps,

00:11:06 ◼   ► so you don't have to go through the sharesheet

00:11:09 ◼   ► every single time, but you could also be more productive

00:11:12 ◼   ► because all of your shortcuts are always in specific

00:11:16 ◼   ► positions in the apps that you use every day.

00:11:20 ◼   ► And maybe this is just wishful thinking,

00:11:22 ◼   ► but it's one of those things that I feel like Apple solved

00:11:25 ◼   ► on Mac OS a long time ago,

00:11:27 ◼   ► And it's just, you know, unless anyone can think of any better solution,

00:11:31 ◼   ► it just makes sense to me to be able to say, well,

00:11:34 ◼   ► I want my extensions exactly the way that I want to use them.

00:11:37 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that's fair. Uh, Myke,

00:11:42 ◼   ► we wanted to offer you the opportunity to speak about clips or the Mac stuff

00:11:46 ◼   ► that you missed last week. If you had any follow up from last week's show.

00:11:49 ◼   ► I do. So with clips, right,

00:11:52 ◼   ► I feel like I have seen some fun movies made with it.

00:11:56 ◼   ► like people tweeting them and stuff.

00:11:59 ◼   ► But I haven't gotten it into my head how to use the app.

00:12:02 ◼   ► Like I can't seem to use it the way

00:12:05 ◼   ► that I think it needs to be used.

00:12:08 ◼   ► So there are things that I feel that it should do

00:12:12 ◼   ► that it doesn't, and then when I try and do them,

00:12:14 ◼   ► it doesn't work, and then I get a little bit lost.

00:12:17 ◼   ► Like for example, I wanna have like an emoji appear

00:12:20 ◼   ► at a certain point in a video, which it doesn't do.

00:12:23 ◼   ► Or like you can't have emoji move around the screen

00:12:25 ◼   ► whatever, right? Like you can't do any of that stuff. Which is things that I'm

00:12:28 ◼   ► seeing done in other applications that make videos that are kind of like this,

00:12:32 ◼   ► right? Like Snapchat or Instagram. Like there seems to be some features that it

00:12:37 ◼   ► looks like it should have but doesn't based on the type of app that it's

00:12:40 ◼   ► trying to be. So that's like one of the reasons I think I'm getting myself a

00:12:45 ◼   ► little bit confused whenever I try and use it. Like I just can't seem to lock

00:12:48 ◼   ► myself into the way that I'm supposed to use the application. I do like the way

00:12:53 ◼   ► that you add stuff like footage into the application I think as one of the better

00:12:57 ◼   ► UI's for this like you can scroll around to a point in the video and then

00:13:02 ◼   ► just hold the record button and it just adds the one little section that you

00:13:05 ◼   ► want from a previous video clip from the camera roll I think that's really cool

00:13:08 ◼   ► as one of the better like seek and find and like trim UI's that I've seen you

00:13:15 ◼   ► know especially for an app like this where you probably are gonna sit and

00:13:18 ◼   ► hold it for like two minutes while you're adding the whole clip in or

00:13:20 ◼   ► whatever like you just want to add 10 seconds of a video you just press and

00:13:23 ◼   ► hold and just add that in. I like that a lot and that's like a fun way to do a

00:13:27 ◼   ► different type of timeline editing which I quite like. I need to spend more time

00:13:32 ◼   ► with it like but right now I just I just I'm not really that enthused by it to be

00:13:37 ◼   ► honest you know like I thought about maybe oh maybe would I want to put

00:13:40 ◼   ► anything in for the vlog with this app but it's all in square right now I'm not

00:13:45 ◼   ► gonna put a square video inside of a widescreen video like I'm just not gonna

00:13:50 ◼   ► do that so I'm not going to play around with it like that for now. In regards to the Mac and iOS,

00:13:55 ◼   ► I think the thing that I've been thinking about with this stuff and I think it's going to come

00:14:00 ◼   ► up a little bit later on in the show is that compared to iOS the Mac feels like a kind of

00:14:05 ◼   ► raw power, like the Mac kind of holds this raw power that iOS doesn't. So for example by that

00:14:12 ◼   ► I mean that I can basically do anything I can think of on the Mac or I can learn it,

00:14:19 ◼   ► or there is like this raw power that's sitting there which is kind of intimidating, right?

00:14:23 ◼   ► That like I know it's there and I'm scared I'm going to break something. So I can basically

00:14:27 ◼   ► do anything that I want to in a way that sometimes iOS puts blocks in my way or things that I have to

00:14:32 ◼   ► jump around. But in the same vein this raw power can be a little overwhelming because I don't

00:14:39 ◼   ► always know how to harness it properly. Yeah, I think that's what I was trying to get to

00:14:45 ◼   ► And the idea that the Mac should feel less dangerous to--

00:14:49 ◼   ► and you are a pro user of the Mac.

00:14:51 ◼   ► You know what you're doing.

00:14:52 ◼   ► But to someone who isn't as well versed as you are,

00:14:55 ◼   ► think how kind of more overwhelming it can be.

00:15:00 ◼   ► And they kind of have to walk the same line with iOS

00:15:04 ◼   ► but from a different direction.

00:15:05 ◼   ► iOS, they add features, but they always

00:15:08 ◼   ► try to do it in a way that doesn't increase complexity

00:15:11 ◼   ► unnecessarily.

00:15:12 ◼   ► And we can argue about certain points

00:15:14 ◼   ► when they get that right or when they get that wrong. But on the Mac, if the goal is

00:15:18 ◼   ► to make it more approachable and more friendly, then they have to do that in a way that leaves

00:15:24 ◼   ► that power there for people who are already used to it. They have to approach it from

00:15:28 ◼   ► different directions. Where I think that stress comes up is when they do something like Launchpad

00:15:35 ◼   ► on the Mac. It's basically the iOS home screen. There's a keyboard shortcut for it. When you

00:15:41 ◼   ► install an app, you see it, and it's, it's not great. I don't know how many people use

00:15:45 ◼   ► it. But there was a big concern that Oh, you know, Apple is going to replace the finder

00:15:50 ◼   ► with this thing. And I'm not gonna have an applications folder anymore. Like, well, no,

00:15:54 ◼   ► launchpad is there for people who want to use it. And I'm sure there are people who

00:15:57 ◼   ► are and who do use it. And for those of us who use spotlight or Alfred, or you know,

00:16:02 ◼   ► know that command shift a gets you into the applications folder, that we can do it that

00:16:06 ◼   ► way too right there's there's a multiple ways to to get things done on the Mac

00:16:11 ◼   ► and they just have to walk that balance and they get it right and they get it wrong

00:16:14 ◼   ► but I think that's sort of the key to all of this.

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00:18:23 ◼   ► the big one and the first is the curse of the prompt so friend of the show TJ

00:18:30 ◼   ► wrote in talk about Plex photos which is I guess it's new I don't I don't really

00:18:36 ◼   ► keep up with Plex that well but it's a it's a photo management service from

00:18:39 ◼   ► Plex you know you can put your stuff on your server and have it available

00:18:42 ◼   ► everywhere Plexi type things I hope they don't talk about this on connected FM

00:18:47 ◼   ► hashtag the curse is real and I thought it'd be interesting to talk about Plex

00:18:52 ◼   ► for a second. I have just recently... Is that what, to see if we can kill it? Like what's the reason? Like you wanna see?

00:18:56 ◼   ► Yeah, well, A) I just want to see. I like playing with fire. But two, I'm just now kind of getting into Plex

00:19:03 ◼   ► after many years of people telling me to do it. So I have it installed in my Mac Mini. I have a few

00:19:07 ◼   ► things in my library. I basically pointed my library at my folder of Apple videos, so they're

00:19:13 ◼   ► all available there. I'm not there with all my media, right? Because we just buy a lot of stuff from iTunes,

00:19:19 ◼   ► and so iTunes is still our media hub in our house. And I haven't hooked up to a

00:19:24 ◼   ► couple other people's libraries so I can watch what Casey List puts in his Plex

00:19:28 ◼   ► library. Guys, there's some weird stuff in Casey's video library. It's a

00:19:33 ◼   ► weird place in there. And that's really cool that I can watch something that he

00:19:36 ◼   ► puts there and I can just stream it from his house to mine. But I'm

00:19:41 ◼   ► not sold on Plex yet. I don't really know why. Maybe it's

00:19:46 ◼   ► because the iTunes thing. Maybe because it's cases. Yeah maybe it's just cases from

00:19:51 ◼   ► you have to it. So what about y'all? I tried Plex. I used to be a Plex user

00:20:00 ◼   ► few years ago back when I actually had work in Macintosh. Now it's not that time

00:20:08 ◼   ► anymore. I tried to put Plex on my Synology server here at home and it it's

00:20:16 ◼   ► It's nice, you know, the apps have gotten much better, at least on iOS, much more flexible

00:20:23 ◼   ► than they used to be.

00:20:25 ◼   ► But every time I triplex, there's just so much management involved of manually putting

00:20:31 ◼   ► in your music and your photos and your TV shows and movies.

00:20:35 ◼   ► It just, everything needs to be, and I know that there are tools to make this management

00:20:40 ◼   ► more automated.

00:20:41 ◼   ► But it's just even those tools have to be installed first.

00:20:45 ◼   ► Whereas, you know, I just pay for Apple Music and I go on Apple Music and I listen to music.

00:20:50 ◼   ► Or I take a picture on my phone and it goes straight up to iCloud.

00:20:54 ◼   ► And I feel like this kind of manual management, it's not for me, at least at this point in

00:21:02 ◼   ► my life, I can see why Plex is very popular among parents and, you know, people who have

00:21:07 ◼   ► to manage these insane libraries of cartoons and other kid-friendly movies. I guess it

00:21:14 ◼   ► makes sense from that scenario. But from my personal consumption point of view, it's just

00:21:20 ◼   ► easier. It's just easier to use Apple Music or Photos, whatever, you know? Just so much

00:21:26 ◼   ► overhead and that's my big problem with Plex right now.

00:21:29 ◼   ► I have the amp installed, also hooked up to Casey's Crazy Library, but I...

00:21:36 ◼   ► What's this thing about Casey's library? It's like, I want to get into this library.

00:21:40 ◼   ► Just ask him and he can hook you up. Because you can share libraries with people.

00:21:43 ◼   ► Okay, I'm going to send him a message.

00:21:45 ◼   ► Say you want into the crazy video library, the LISP household. I haven't used it though.

00:21:51 ◼   ► Like it's there, I just never have used it. Like I'm, I mean, one day, I mean I would

00:21:55 ◼   ► set it up at the point when I set up my own media thing, but like I feel like I just have

00:22:00 ◼   ► less and less requirements these days for a service like that. I stream everything.

00:22:05 ◼   ► So having my own video library just seems like something I'm... it's unlikely that I'm

00:22:11 ◼   ► going to create, honestly.

00:22:14 ◼   ► Like I don't have this huge movie library which I'm pulling from.

00:22:19 ◼   ► Because I got rid of most of my DVDs and Blu-rays when we moved because I realised I didn't

00:22:25 ◼   ► have any devices that could play them anymore that were hooked up to my TV.

00:22:30 ◼   ► I think my Playstation can play Blu-rays.

00:22:32 ◼   ► Like I don't even know if the PlayStation 4 can.

00:22:35 ◼   ► I, you know, I actually never bought a Blu-ray this myself in my life.

00:22:38 ◼   ► I know that the previous PlayStation could, I know that because I used it, but I've never

00:22:42 ◼   ► put a Blu-ray into my PlayStation 4.

00:22:44 ◼   ► It probably does, but I haven't tried, right?

00:22:49 ◼   ► Like I'm just going to assume that yes, it can.

00:22:51 ◼   ► I will in a moment look it up.

00:22:54 ◼   ► And actually I'm just going to look it up right now because if I don't do it right now,

00:22:58 ◼   ► people have already...

00:22:59 ◼   ► It's going to be people.

00:23:00 ◼   ► They've already done it.

00:23:01 ◼   ► Okay.

00:23:02 ◼   ► it can, but people are complaining on Google, well Google is pulling up complaints that

00:23:08 ◼   ► people are saying that it's too loud. The disk is too loud. Anyway, it's too loud, it's

00:23:13 ◼   ► far too loud. But I just have no desire really these days to have like a hard drive full

00:23:20 ◼   ► of video. Like it's just not a thing that I tend to want now. So my question though

00:23:28 ◼   ► is why is Plex doing this?

00:23:30 ◼   ► Like, why are they creating a photo service?

00:23:34 ◼   ► And I kind of dug through their website a little bit

00:23:37 ◼   ► to try and work out what the thinking was.

00:23:40 ◼   ► So I guess one thing is that the infrastructure

00:23:42 ◼   ► is already there and they don't need it, right?

00:23:44 ◼   ► So like, I think one of the things that killed

00:23:46 ◼   ► a lot of the services we've spoken about

00:23:48 ◼   ► is that they needed hard drives to store the images on.

00:23:53 ◼   ► But Plex doesn't have to do that

00:23:54 ◼   ► because it doesn't store it. They don't store anything.

00:23:58 ◼   ► Right? Like it's all just on your server that you've set up.

00:24:02 ◼   ► Right? So that's one big thing is they can do this

00:24:05 ◼   ► without those long-term running costs of storing data

00:24:09 ◼   ► and making backups and all that stuff because their hands are off,

00:24:12 ◼   ► which is also a good thing from the privacy perspective

00:24:14 ◼   ► because they don't store anything.

00:24:16 ◼   ► They also do offer end-to-end encryption.

00:24:18 ◼   ► And because your server is the central data,

00:24:22 ◼   ► They have that kind of privacy that Apple have, you know, like where it's like,

00:24:25 ◼   ► Oh, we don't see anything. We don't look at anything.

00:24:27 ◼   ► But then the devices have to control that data on iCloud. Well,

00:24:31 ◼   ► they don't have to do any of that.

00:24:32 ◼   ► Cause I assume that any data that they add because they do some organizational

00:24:36 ◼   ► stuff is just added to the image file or to a file,

00:24:40 ◼   ► which is saved on the server that you've set up, right?

00:24:44 ◼   ► Cause all you're doing is just going to your data that's on your server via

00:24:48 ◼   ► their application. So that will make sense.

00:24:51 ◼   ► They have their own organization tools.

00:24:53 ◼   ► They do some machine learning stuff, of course,

00:24:56 ◼   ► to automatically tag things.

00:24:58 ◼   ► And I assume that all of that stuff

00:25:00 ◼   ► is just operating on the device, right?

00:25:02 ◼   ► Like it's in the app or something.

00:25:04 ◼   ► And they have a camera uploading app as well,

00:25:07 ◼   ► which you want, and all of your stuff

00:25:08 ◼   ► is in its original quality.

00:25:09 ◼   ► So I guess this is actually quite,

00:25:11 ◼   ► if you are a Plex user

00:25:12 ◼   ► and you have all of your photos backed up,

00:25:15 ◼   ► it kind of feels like a no-brainer

00:25:16 ◼   ► that you would just flick a switch

00:25:18 ◼   ► and turn it on or whatever,

00:25:20 ◼   ► in the same way that we all signed up for Google Photos, right?

00:25:23 ◼   ► Well, 'cause it's free,

00:25:25 ◼   ► and we've already got the photos saved on our computers,

00:25:29 ◼   ► or they do the background uploading,

00:25:31 ◼   ► so why not just do that?

00:25:32 ◼   ► They also do the camera uploading stuff, right?

00:25:34 ◼   ► So you can upload things directly to your server,

00:25:38 ◼   ► and it's all end-to-end encrypted.

00:25:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I guess maybe

00:25:42 ◼   ► if you have an easy Plex installation,

00:25:44 ◼   ► I mean, if you have a Synology,

00:25:46 ◼   ► I think it's just a couple of clicks

00:25:48 ◼   ► to get a Plex library iPhone running on your own network. And I think maybe if it's that

00:25:55 ◼   ► easy, you know, you can just enable the automatic uploads from the iPhone app and you have virtually

00:26:01 ◼   ► free, free because you don't pay for the service, you actually pay for the NAS that you have

00:26:06 ◼   ► at home, but it's a secondary backup of your photos. And I think the other argument in

00:26:13 ◼   ► in favor of this kind of product is there's a lot of people who, unlike us, are really

00:26:20 ◼   ► unhappy with the idea of companies like Apple, Google, or Facebook having your photos. There's,

00:26:27 ◼   ► I believe, quite a few people who don't want to upload anything to this company's services.

00:26:34 ◼   ► And it may sound crazy to us, and personally it does seem a little crazy to me because

00:26:39 ◼   ► is just so convenient.

00:26:40 ◼   ► But it's the same reason, I guess,

00:26:43 ◼   ► that some people do not use credit cards when

00:26:47 ◼   ► buying things online.

00:26:49 ◼   ► There are some people who are just not comfortable

00:26:50 ◼   ► with the idea.

00:26:51 ◼   ► And so maybe having a server that you control,

00:26:54 ◼   ► that you buy with a service that runs locally on that device

00:26:59 ◼   ► maybe just makes them more comfortable

00:27:01 ◼   ► and it makes more sense because they're keeping all

00:27:03 ◼   ► of their media on it.

00:27:04 ◼   ► They like to organize manually all of these files

00:27:08 ◼   ► and libraries, and I guess there's a place for everyone.

00:27:12 ◼   ► It's not for me, but I can see why for some people

00:27:15 ◼   ► it makes some sense.

00:27:16 ◼   ► - I don't think the cast is gonna kill this one.

00:27:20 ◼   ► - I don't think so either.

00:27:21 ◼   ► I think there are people who are inclined

00:27:23 ◼   ► to like Plex and services like it,

00:27:25 ◼   ► who want the benefits of having all their media

00:27:28 ◼   ► with them all the time, but not wanting it

00:27:30 ◼   ► on a cloud service, wanting it on a hard drive they own.

00:27:33 ◼   ► That's a big enough audience for this to be fine.

00:27:37 ◼   ► I don't think I'm going to check it out any time soon.

00:27:39 ◼   ► I mean, I'm using iCloud Photo Library, and it's been fine.

00:27:42 ◼   ► If that wasn't the case, I would look at this,

00:27:44 ◼   ► but I'm pretty happy where I am.

00:27:48 ◼   ► Well, I mean, it being fine to you

00:27:50 ◼   ► is an off and on relationship, right?

00:27:53 ◼   ► I mean, I've been at the back of iCloud Photo Library for--

00:27:56 ◼   ► coming up on nine months, maybe a year even.

00:28:01 ◼   ► I mean, I had a lot of problems, which we spoke about,

00:28:04 ◼   ► but Apple did some voodoo magic on my iCloud account,

00:28:06 ◼   ► things seem okay so they probably just moved you back to the last instance left

00:28:13 ◼   ► of ID's that's right that's why it's working so well for you yeah man I just

00:28:18 ◼   ► was so slow guys I remember I remember we talk about these things and we're in

00:28:24 ◼   ► my time now you know like we're not we're not back in the eve of the time

00:28:28 ◼   ► that Stephen was in or believes he was in I remember all of that like I had I

00:28:33 ◼   ► I disk because I had a dot Mac account and everything. I was a mobile me subscriber man

00:28:40 ◼   ► That's a long time ago. Mmm

00:28:43 ◼   ► Good times. Well, well for you, it's probably it feels like yesterday Steven. Oh, yeah

00:28:48 ◼   ► Cloud services are a flat circle. You're just going for the titles now. You just I know what you're doing. He's saying something

00:28:54 ◼   ► fishing for talents

00:28:57 ◼   ► Just same in there hoping that someone will suggest it. You're right Kyle suggest it

00:29:03 ◼   ► This morning Bloomberg, Mark Gurman and friends published a article about the

00:29:09 ◼   ► What he's calling the 10th anniversary iPhone or the iPhone 8 the unicorn iPhone, whatever it is

00:29:14 ◼   ► It basically recaps a lot of stuff we've already heard

00:29:19 ◼   ► Apple is preparing three iPhones for launch to basically being the 7s looking the same way as the 7 and

00:29:26 ◼   ► a new high-end

00:29:28 ◼   ► redesigned phone with some sort of

00:29:32 ◼   ► curved glass and stainless steel design, more advanced cameras, OLED display. I don't know

00:29:39 ◼   ► how much is new in this, but it sort of puts it all in one package, all in one article.

00:29:44 ◼   ► Yeah, there's a couple of things in German's article that I want to touch on a little bit.

00:29:50 ◼   ► So as you say, like the things that we already know about, right? I think stainless steel

00:29:54 ◼   ► is a new part. I don't think that that was something that I recall.

00:29:59 ◼   ► Yeah, it's been around in the past couple of days really, I think.

00:30:04 ◼   ► It's relatively new, as a rumor.

00:30:06 ◼   ► So one thing that Marc says which is interesting is that Apple is aiming to reduce the overall

00:30:13 ◼   ► size of the handset by integrating the home button into the screen itself via software.

00:30:18 ◼   ► Apple has also experimented with integrating the iPhone's fingerprint scanner into the

00:30:23 ◼   ► screen of the OLED version, which would be technically challenging.

00:30:26 ◼   ► We'll get to the fingerprint scanner part in a little bit, but the idea of integrating

00:30:31 ◼   ► the home button.

00:30:32 ◼   ► So this has been a conversation which has gone about a lot, and I think the whole time,

00:30:38 ◼   ► at least I've been considering it, I've been thinking of home button and touch ID to be

00:30:43 ◼   ► one and the same.

00:30:45 ◼   ► But they're not, are they, really?

00:30:47 ◼   ► You can have a fingerprint sensor that doesn't have to be part of the home button, and in

00:30:51 ◼   ► that instance it makes sense to me that they would find a way to, via the use of 3D touch,

00:30:59 ◼   ► put some kind of home button in the screen which is kind of like what Samsung just did.

00:31:03 ◼   ► They put the only part of the S8 that has any kind of 3D touch like capability is just

00:31:10 ◼   ► an area where the home button is. So I guess you could do that, right?

00:31:14 ◼   ► I mean personally I would love to have, if Apple were to go with a sensor in the back,

00:31:20 ◼   ► I think it would be kind of nice to have it inside of the Apple logo.

00:31:25 ◼   ► And I know it's probably never going to happen, but man, that would be futuristic.

00:31:28 ◼   ► You're touching the Apple to get into the Apple.

00:31:30 ◼   ► I kind of don't like that for the exact...

00:31:32 ◼   ► I don't like that for the reason you just said.

00:31:36 ◼   ► There's something I don't like about, like, "touch the Apple," right?

00:31:39 ◼   ► "Touch the Apple."

00:31:40 ◼   ► I'm just not up for touching the Apple.

00:31:43 ◼   ► There's something religious about it, almost.

00:31:46 ◼   ► No.

00:31:47 ◼   ► You're touching, grabbing the Apple.

00:31:48 ◼   ► This is exactly why I don't want that, right? Like I don't, I just don't want that. I don't

00:31:55 ◼   ► want to be doing that. That's not a thing I want to do. I don't want to be touching

00:31:59 ◼   ► the apple at any point.

00:32:00 ◼   ► Don't you want to be, was it Adam or Eve with the apple? I don't know, man.

00:32:05 ◼   ► Well, I mean, they were both there, but Eve was anyway, we don't need to get into this.

00:32:10 ◼   ► That's right, Eve was first.

00:32:11 ◼   ► Yep. See, I knew it. I knew it. See, you're proud of me. I knew that. Sunday school kids,

00:32:15 ◼   ► the thing. Apple is apparently going to be putting an OLED display into this, right?

00:32:21 ◼   ► They're testing a screen that covers almost the entire front of the device, as German

00:32:25 ◼   ► says. The results in a display, this results in a display slightly larger than that of

00:32:30 ◼   ► the iPhone 7 Plus, but an overall size closer to the iPhone 7. Again, we've known this sort

00:32:35 ◼   ► of stuff for a while. There isn't really anything new to this. One of the things in this report,

00:32:43 ◼   ► which is kind of pushed on a lot, is that this phone is like in testing and prototypes.

00:32:52 ◼   ► These words are used a lot in this article, which indicates one of two things. Either

00:32:58 ◼   ► number one, that the phone is not ready, or number two, that all of this information is

00:33:05 ◼   ► old.

00:33:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:08 ◼   ► I mean, it makes sense that Apple, of course, they have multiple prototypes, so that makes

00:33:15 ◼   ► sense. And if the phone is coming out, let's say, not in September, but maybe I'm just

00:33:23 ◼   ► putting out theories out there, maybe late October, now we're six or seven months out,

00:33:31 ◼   ► maybe it makes sense that they're making some final decisions based on two to three prototypes,

00:33:37 ◼   ► still floating around. It does seem a little late to me though, and I do wonder if maybe

00:33:43 ◼   ► this information is a little old. I have no reason to doubt the fact that Apple actually

00:33:49 ◼   ► tested these prototypes that Gurman and others are reporting. So one with the aluminum back

00:33:55 ◼   ► as the backup option, the other with the stainless steel frame, the other with the iPhone 7-like

00:34:03 ◼   ► curves... it all makes sense to me, but I wonder, we're in the second half of April now, assuming

00:34:13 ◼   ► that Apple is holding an event in September, and let's say that the iPhone 8 or iPhone

00:34:18 ◼   ► edition, whatever, it's not coming out at launch with the iPhone 7s and 7s Plus, so

00:34:24 ◼   ► let's assume a one month delay, and let's assume October, we have six months. So do

00:34:31 ◼   ► Do we really believe that six months before launch, Apple is still testing three different

00:34:36 ◼   ► prototypes?

00:34:37 ◼   ► No.

00:34:38 ◼   ► Do we have precedence for this kind of release?

00:34:40 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:34:41 ◼   ► I don't think that one or two months still makes sense for them still testing prototypes.

00:34:46 ◼   ► Like, still testing.

00:34:47 ◼   ► Like, if you imagine, imagine this information came to Garmin last week.

00:34:52 ◼   ► Do you really think that they're like, they've got three different prototypes right now and

00:34:57 ◼   ► they're like, "What one should we go with?

00:34:58 ◼   ► Ooh, I don't know."

00:34:59 ◼   ► I just can't imagine that.

00:35:00 ◼   ► just what are you have to keep time man so think hook walking around with three

00:35:04 ◼   ► iPhones in his pocket is like I wonder which is best and it's just...

00:35:07 ◼   ► Do we touch the Apple? Do we not touch the Apple?

00:35:10 ◼   ► Juggling all of these iPhones. I wonder what I prefer. I don't know. It does seem... I mean if they are it

00:35:17 ◼   ► sounds like they're a little late and so if this information is accurate and it

00:35:22 ◼   ► seems like Apple is a little late and maybe had some troubles with integrating

00:35:27 ◼   ► the Touch ID into the screen. And maybe they don't like the backup option either, I don't

00:35:32 ◼   ► know. But I do wonder how accurate maybe the timeframe reported in these stories actually

00:35:39 ◼   ► is. Because I think it happened in the past that a bunch of these rumor sites, they said,

00:35:48 ◼   ► "Well, Apple is actually late, they're not gonna hit the deadline," and eventually, you

00:35:53 ◼   ► you know, Apple did ship the iPhone between September and October. So it seems like every

00:35:58 ◼   ► other year there's the rumor of "Apple is still testing, we're in April, it's super

00:36:04 ◼   ► late, they're never gonna make it" and eventually everybody's ready by September. I mean, considering

00:36:11 ◼   ► the supply constraints, that is, but, you know, the phone actually is announced and

00:36:16 ◼   ► released even in limited quantities. So, I don't know.

00:36:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, I would be surprised if they show this thing

00:36:23 ◼   ► and then it's not available for like a month or two.

00:36:25 ◼   ► It would surprise me, it doesn't seem impossible,

00:36:28 ◼   ► but I would be surprised.

00:36:31 ◼   ► I think even more than that, there's like,

00:36:34 ◼   ► it can't be more than like six weeks or something

00:36:37 ◼   ► because I mean, they're not gonna have two events.

00:36:40 ◼   ► Like they're gonna show all these phones at the same time

00:36:43 ◼   ► because if they have this phone,

00:36:47 ◼   ► they need to show this phone

00:36:48 ◼   ► because you can't have the iPhone event

00:36:50 ◼   ► and then show off the 7S and the 7S Plus.

00:36:52 ◼   ► If there is this phone, right?

00:36:55 ◼   ► Like if this phone is coming out this year,

00:36:57 ◼   ► you can't not show it.

00:36:59 ◼   ► And they can't be like, oh, it's like four months.

00:37:01 ◼   ► Like, you know what I mean?

00:37:02 ◼   ► Like it's, I feel like that it kind of,

00:37:05 ◼   ► they have to show it and then it can't be very far away.

00:37:08 ◼   ► - It can be, yeah.

00:37:10 ◼   ► - But I also feel like they know right now about that.

00:37:13 ◼   ► Right, like they know this.

00:37:14 ◼   ► Like this is all stuff that has to be locked down

00:37:17 ◼   ► so far in advance for them to be able to produce them

00:37:20 ◼   ► at any quantity size that an iPhone would sell at, right?

00:37:24 ◼   ► I would just be very, very surprised

00:37:26 ◼   ► if they're still kind of at this stage

00:37:29 ◼   ► making decisions about what route to go in

00:37:32 ◼   ► and then maybe then picking a route

00:37:35 ◼   ► that would take them a long time to put a phone out

00:37:37 ◼   ► in within six weeks or so from September.

00:37:40 ◼   ► - I would be surprised if it plays out like the iPad Pro

00:37:45 ◼   ► that Apple has an event in September

00:37:47 ◼   ► and the iPad Pro went out in mid-November,

00:37:51 ◼   ► I don't think Apple can afford to do the same with the iPhone

00:37:54 ◼   ► just because it's so much high profile.

00:37:57 ◼   ► It's the main device that Apple makes,

00:37:59 ◼   ► and there's so many expectations for this new design.

00:38:02 ◼   ► I do not think--

00:38:04 ◼   ► and this is probably going to be one of those sound bites

00:38:06 ◼   ► that comes back at me six months from now--

00:38:10 ◼   ► but I don't think Apple can wait two months

00:38:13 ◼   ► between the big reveal of the new design,

00:38:15 ◼   ► the anniversary edition, whatever, and then, oh by the way, it's coming out after Thanksgiving,

00:38:21 ◼   ► you know? It just doesn't make sense for the iPhone.

00:38:24 ◼   ► So one of the pieces of information that I got from this that was new to me is that not

00:38:30 ◼   ► only are Apple going to be putting two cameras on this phone, they will be in portrait orientation

00:38:37 ◼   ► to help with their being, to help with the portrait mode stuff. I don't think that the

00:38:44 ◼   ► fact that it's portrait makes any difference to the portrait mode but

00:38:47 ◼   ► anyway like I don't think that just the fact that the word portrait is in there

00:38:49 ◼   ► means it's better. It's like oh why did we call it landscape mode and then that

00:38:56 ◼   ► they're also gonna be two cameras on the front potentially in one of these

00:38:59 ◼   ► million prototypes two cameras on the front it's like a lot of cameras all the

00:39:05 ◼   ► great cameras yeah it yeah I mean maybe they you can see where they would want

00:39:10 ◼   ► bring that portrait mode of the depth effect stuff to the selfie game right

00:39:14 ◼   ► like it it's kind of crying out for it mm-hmm my big question with this is if

00:39:20 ◼   ► you're getting rid of all the bezels right or they're making them a lot

00:39:22 ◼   ► smaller you're gonna cram more stuff in a smaller amount of space like that it

00:39:26 ◼   ► seems like more engineering challenge than the necessary but I could see why

00:39:32 ◼   ► they want to do it I think I think it would be popular you know I think that a

00:39:36 ◼   ► A lot of people with the Plus phone like the depth effect stuff and you know in the right

00:39:41 ◼   ► conditions it does a pretty good job and why not bring that and you could do some fun stuff

00:39:46 ◼   ► and apps like Clips with it.

00:39:48 ◼   ► So I could see it being beneficial but it seems like even more work to put two in there

00:39:53 ◼   ► when you're making everything smaller.

00:39:57 ◼   ► So the last part of this article is saying that all of the new iPhones will run iOS 11,

00:40:05 ◼   ► a mobile operating system that will include a refreshed user interface and will be announced

00:40:09 ◼   ► in June.

00:40:11 ◼   ► Just no biggie, you know, just the last sentence, throw it out there. Oh, by the way, we also

00:40:15 ◼   ► have a refreshed user interface at the very end of the article. What does this mean? Like,

00:40:22 ◼   ► refreshed user interface, you can make the same argument that iOS 10 included a refreshed

00:40:27 ◼   ► UI. If you look at Apple Music, Apple News, Home, and iMessage, that's enough of a refreshed

00:40:33 ◼   ► UI in my book.

00:40:35 ◼   ► Does it mean it's a big unified message with a Johnny I video

00:40:40 ◼   ► saying, this is the new direction of iOS design

00:40:43 ◼   ► language?

00:40:44 ◼   ► Or is it more like, yes, we're updating podcasts,

00:40:47 ◼   ► we're updating iMessage with a new design language,

00:40:51 ◼   ► a bunch of other apps, reminders and notes

00:40:54 ◼   ► are losing the paper texture, and yeah, we're actually

00:40:58 ◼   ► putting some new designs out there?

00:41:00 ◼   ► Or is it this big unified, new human interface guideline type of refreshed UI?

00:41:08 ◼   ► It could mean a bunch of things and we need more details to speculate, I feel.

00:41:14 ◼   ► I think that... to think that that says like it's iOS 7, you know, like that kind of redesign,

00:41:20 ◼   ► I don't think that's going to be the case.

00:41:22 ◼   ► I just think that there will be a bunch of new stuff in there and I'm sure some user

00:41:26 ◼   ► interface tweaks will change.

00:41:27 ◼   ► You know, like I've seen people saying today about like, if all these phones have, all

00:41:31 ◼   ► these devices, like the phones and maybe iPads have thinner bezels, there may be some things

00:41:36 ◼   ► to account for that and maybe some new stuff to do with that.

00:41:39 ◼   ► And or any of the million other things they could do, right, like a dark mode of OLED,

00:41:42 ◼   ► like all of these different things, could, that all counts as user interface refresh

00:41:47 ◼   ► and it's purely just, this is just a term that has been used as a, I will assume for

00:41:52 ◼   ► now as opposed to saying, it's like iOS 7 all over again.

00:41:56 ◼   ► I just don't think that it's needed to be a huge big thing.

00:42:02 ◼   ► Especially if you look at the way that the iOS 7 design language has actually evolved

00:42:07 ◼   ► over the past four years, we've moved from those translucency everywhere and super flat

00:42:13 ◼   ► design.

00:42:14 ◼   ► Even if you look at Apple's own apps, they're now using shadows, they're now using big buttons

00:42:19 ◼   ► with text labels.

00:42:22 ◼   ► rounded corners in a bunch of menus in both iMessage and Apple Music and the App Store.

00:42:29 ◼   ► 3D Touch is much different than what you would have expected from the thin full-cell rectangular

00:42:36 ◼   ► typography and style of iOS 7. So I think the iOS 7 design has evolved nicely and I

00:42:41 ◼   ► think we saw some much needed adjustments in iOS 9 and especially iOS 10. So I would

00:42:48 ◼   ► expect Apple to continue down this road of bringing San Francisco and bold typography

00:42:52 ◼   ► to more apps, bringing rounded corners back in fashion in more system interfaces, and

00:42:59 ◼   ► maybe, you know, a new use of shadows, less translucency, and of course changes to account

00:43:06 ◼   ► for. The Home button is now becoming a softer one, so yeah, in theory, that is a user interface

00:43:12 ◼   ► refresh and maybe with the thinner bezels maybe makes more sense to start

00:43:17 ◼   ► using more condensed menus that are self-contained in boxes instead of going

00:43:23 ◼   ► edge to edge from, you know, to the sides of the display. So I think Apple can

00:43:28 ◼   ► evolve the current language without having to take a drastic departure and

00:43:33 ◼   ► of course a dark mode would be a big enough change to warrant this kind of

00:43:37 ◼   ► refresh user interface note at the bottom of the article, I think.

00:43:42 ◼   ► Alright, let's take a break and we'll come back and talk about Touch ID, specifically.

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00:45:25 ◼   ► OK, so as well as this stuff that German reported today,

00:45:31 ◼   ► Over the past few days, a bunch of sites, including 9to5Mac, posted an image of some

00:45:37 ◼   ► purported iPhone 8 schematics that have been shared on Weibo.

00:45:42 ◼   ► It shows a cutout for the Touch ID sensor on the back of the phone in these schematics.

00:45:48 ◼   ► Also there have been some talk from analysts saying that Apple are struggling to embed

00:45:52 ◼   ► the sensor underneath the display, and that these supposed issues could lead to either

00:45:57 ◼   ► Apple delaying production of the iPhone 8, which I think we've already all come to the

00:46:01 ◼   ► conclusion on that we don't think will happen significantly, or removing Touch ID from the

00:46:06 ◼   ► phone completely if they do not resolve this.

00:46:10 ◼   ► So we've discussed Touch ID a bunch on the show and wherever we think it will be in the

00:46:17 ◼   ► display or not.

00:46:18 ◼   ► So I figured that what we could do today is to what seems to be the 2017 style of connected,

00:46:26 ◼   ► To put our thoughts out quite clearly on the show about how we all feel, I've got three

00:46:31 ◼   ► questions that I'm going to ask about this, about this issue.

00:46:36 ◼   ► And then we will save them in our document until the time is right in September where

00:46:42 ◼   ► we can say who was right and who was wrong.

00:46:45 ◼   ► So the first one is, "Will the iPhone 8 feature a touch ID sensor on the back of the phone

00:46:50 ◼   ► or embedded into the display?"

00:46:52 ◼   ► So I think that it goes on the back.

00:46:55 ◼   ► I think that embedding into the screen is too early.

00:46:58 ◼   ► Stephen, what do you think?

00:46:59 ◼   ► - I agree.

00:47:01 ◼   ► I think that it'll be on the back.

00:47:04 ◼   ► You know, it was rumored that Samsung

00:47:06 ◼   ► was gonna do a similar thing with the S8.

00:47:08 ◼   ► And if you look at the placement

00:47:10 ◼   ► of their fingerprint sensor,

00:47:11 ◼   ► maybe it was added last minute 'cause it's super weird.

00:47:15 ◼   ► So my guess is on the back.

00:47:18 ◼   ► - Federico?

00:47:19 ◼   ► - And I'm guessing under the display.

00:47:21 ◼   ► - You're saying still on the display?

00:47:24 ◼   ► Or under the display?

00:47:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:26 ◼   ► But you mean like underneath, physically underneath the display?

00:47:29 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, yes, underneath the display can be above because it's just gonna be a

00:47:35 ◼   ► display that you see on the front of the device.

00:47:39 ◼   ► So I'm thinking Apple managed to find a way to put it under the display and you're not

00:47:45 ◼   ► gonna have a sensor in the back.

00:47:47 ◼   ► And yes, there's going to be a touch ID sensor, of course.

00:47:51 ◼   ► It's just stupid to think that Apple is gonna get rid of touch ID.

00:47:54 ◼   ► I mean, what happens to Apple Pay?

00:47:55 ◼   ► Well, let's wait for question number two, because question number two is, would Apple

00:47:59 ◼   ► ditch Touch ID because of hardware issues?

00:48:02 ◼   ► So, no.

00:48:03 ◼   ► So, okay, so Federico says no.

00:48:05 ◼   ► Stephen, what do you say?

00:48:07 ◼   ► Uh, no, that's silly.

00:48:09 ◼   ► So I will not only say that I don't think they would, I will give my reasoning for why,

00:48:13 ◼   ► which I assume is very similar to your reasoning for why, is Touch ID is how Apple Pay works,

00:48:18 ◼   ► and there is no way that they would launch a new product today without Apple Pay.

00:48:23 ◼   ► they're just not going to do that. Apple Pay is hugely important. So let's assume...

00:48:27 ◼   ► Question number three! Would Apple ditch Touch ID in favor of another form of biometric identity

00:48:37 ◼   ► for the iPhone 8? I don't think there's any way they can. I mean, I disagree with you that Touch

00:48:43 ◼   ► ID is how Apple Pay works. They can authenticate with it. They can authenticate any way they want

00:48:46 ◼   ► it to. They have chosen the fingerprint and they have preached that since the launch of the iPhone

00:48:51 ◼   ► five s i'm working on this iphone 5c project so i've watched that whole keynote recently and like

00:48:56 ◼   ► they go into great detail about why the fingerprint is the way to go and and it's the

00:49:01 ◼   ► only way to do this and we put it in the secure enclave and go us and i don't think they could

00:49:05 ◼   ► walk that back and if you look at again look at the s8 which reviews i think the embargo just

00:49:11 ◼   ► broke because now my twitter timeline is full of journalists talking about their uh s8 reviews but

00:49:17 ◼   ► you can unlock with a picture and some other ways on the S8 and those things even Samsung says are

00:49:23 ◼   ► less secure and even Samsung is saying if you want to use Samsung Pay or whatever they call it you

00:49:28 ◼   ► have to use your fingerprint you can't do that with the face unlock because it is more easily

00:49:33 ◼   ► tricked and I don't think Apple wants to go down that road of making Apple Pay less secure they

00:49:38 ◼   ► could do it technically I think but they shouldn't and I don't think they will. So I don't think that

00:49:44 ◼   ► it is impossible to presume, and I don't think you're saying this, that there would not be some

00:49:48 ◼   ► other form of biometrics in the future that could be better than this. But let's assume that Apple

00:49:54 ◼   ► have found that. Let's just assume that the iPhone 8 includes some biometrics that are even more

00:49:59 ◼   ► secure in some way than the fingerprint. So I don't know about iris scanning, like actual good iris

00:50:07 ◼   ► scanning, like I don't know if that is more secure or whatever it might be. But I think the thing is

00:50:12 ◼   ► whatever biometrics would overtake Touch ID can't be announced and then immediately become

00:50:21 ◼   ► the way that it's done because I'm assuming that Apple has to work with payment providers

00:50:28 ◼   ► and card providers to allow them to do their own security testing for Apple Pay and I can't assume

00:50:36 ◼   ► that Apple's just going to be like "hey we've got this new thing and it's there" I assume that what

00:50:40 ◼   ► what they would do is replace touch ID. So like the idea of using what it is that you

00:50:48 ◼   ► login for as the primary thing on your phone, unlock your phone for first and had that do

00:50:53 ◼   ► for a while before they removed the fingerprint sensor. Does that make sense? Like that they

00:50:57 ◼   ► would, let's say it's iris scanning, that like they'll say iris scanning is now the

00:51:01 ◼   ► best and fastest way to unlock your phone, but to use Apple Pay you still use the fingerprint

00:51:06 ◼   ► sensor which is conveniently located underneath the Apple logo. And then after time they're

00:51:12 ◼   ► like "and now Apple Pay is done via our new and amazing system".

00:51:16 ◼   ► Verica, what do you think?

00:51:20 ◼   ► I don't think Apple is going to replace Touch ID with another biometric system unless the

00:51:28 ◼   ► security of the system is on par or superior than Touch ID. And I struggle to

00:51:36 ◼   ► see how the iris scanning can get to the same degree of security as Touch ID,

00:51:44 ◼   ► specifically because of how it works. It just seems easier to get a sensor that

00:51:50 ◼   ► can reconstruct a mathematical representation of your fingerprint than

00:51:54 ◼   ► having a super high definition scanner that reconstructs a mathematical object

00:52:00 ◼   ► that represents your iris in your eye. So I think the feasibility of better

00:52:05 ◼   ► biometrics are kind of slim at this point. So I would say if Apple is not

00:52:12 ◼   ► gonna ditch Touch ID, they're gonna have to keep using Touch ID. And I do believe

00:52:16 ◼   ► that Apple wants... prefers the option to have it under display. I hope that it

00:52:23 ◼   ► goes under the display because I'm just used to it. If it goes in the back I'm not gonna

00:52:28 ◼   ► grab my pitchfork and go to the Apple Park. It's gonna be fine. I think it's more elegant

00:52:35 ◼   ► to have it, you know, have a flash back and just a sensor underneath the display. But

00:52:42 ◼   ► I don't see the iris scanning or whatever replacing the fingerprint. If only because,

00:52:49 ◼   ► Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like from a technical perspective it's just harder and

00:52:57 ◼   ► I guess it's easier to find a place for Touch ID than to make the Iris scanner so secure

00:53:05 ◼   ► and accurate and advanced than other companies right now in 2017.

00:53:12 ◼   ► So that's Touch ID.

00:53:13 ◼   ► We will revisit our predictions in a few months time I guess and then we can all see how right

00:53:19 ◼   ► all wrong we were. So today, to finish off today's episode, we're going to talk about

00:53:26 ◼   ► an iPad wish list and the idea of software and hardware. We have two big categories here,

00:53:33 ◼   ► software and hardware. So the things that we would like to see come to the iPad, I guess

00:53:37 ◼   ► as the rest of the year continues. And I believe Federico, you have taken control of the software

00:53:43 ◼   ► portion and I have with the hardware portion.

00:53:47 ◼   ► It wasn't intentional, but that's what happened.

00:53:49 ◼   ► - That's how we roll. - Yeah.

00:53:51 ◼   ► Yeah, so I thought I would present a bunch of key elements

00:53:56 ◼   ► of areas where I think the iPad software should improve.

00:54:03 ◼   ► So first in my list is the,

00:54:05 ◼   ► and this is not gonna come as a surprise,

00:54:08 ◼   ► but it's the Split View app picker UI,

00:54:11 ◼   ► which I feel like I'm mentioning every single week.

00:54:14 ◼   ► I do think it's the worst interface

00:54:17 ◼   ► that Apple ever shipped on iOS, I'm going to say it is worse than the iMessage app picker,

00:54:24 ◼   ► if only because multitasking and split view are so essential to the way that people work

00:54:28 ◼   ► on the iPad.

00:54:32 ◼   ► I have the feeling that the current implementation, so when you swipe in from the right side of

00:54:37 ◼   ► the iPad, and you then swipe down from the app that is currently in slide over, you get

00:54:44 ◼   ► a list, a vertical list of three apps with icons and the last app gets a card with a

00:54:52 ◼   ► preview of the last status that was saved into the system. And I don't think it's a

00:54:58 ◼   ► good interface, I think it's slow, I think the order of apps was something that Apple

00:55:04 ◼   ► never properly explained and even worse, if you're someone who works from the iPad and

00:55:11 ◼   ► If you have an established workflow, you switch from numbers to Google Docs, Safari, whatever,

00:55:18 ◼   ► there's no customization in here.

00:55:21 ◼   ► It is impossible to find apps.

00:55:23 ◼   ► You need to scroll this vertical list over and over until you find the app you're looking

00:55:28 ◼   ► for.

00:55:29 ◼   ► Sometimes the app is not even there, and so I think Apple should redesign it.

00:55:33 ◼   ► And it should be redesigned with a combination of recent apps and user-selected favorites.

00:55:40 ◼   ► There should be a way to rearrange your most used apps, sort of on a kind of mini home

00:55:46 ◼   ► screen just for the Split View interface.

00:55:50 ◼   ► You should be able to rearrange them with drag and drop, you should be able to delete

00:55:53 ◼   ► them when you don't want them anymore, and there should also be a search bar so you can

00:55:58 ◼   ► actually manually find the app that you want to use in multitasking.

00:56:02 ◼   ► I'm also going to say there should be a way to work with Split View multitasking and slide

00:56:09 ◼   ► over using external keyboards. Because right now SplitView and SlideOver and the AppPicker

00:56:16 ◼   ► are entirely touch-based. If you're working with a smart keyboard or with any other Bluetooth

00:56:22 ◼   ► keyboard you need to raise your fingers off the keyboard and touch the display. There

00:56:27 ◼   ► should be shortcuts to activate SplitView, to activate the AppPicker UI, to enter the

00:56:33 ◼   ► search bar, and maybe shortcuts to be assigned to favorites. With that kind of system I feel

00:56:39 ◼   ► like the iPad multitasking would become much faster and people would spend less time scrolling

00:56:45 ◼   ► the list of apps in the App Picker UI and actually getting work done and switching between

00:56:51 ◼   ► the apps that they actually need.

00:56:52 ◼   ► Man, the keyboard thing. I mean, I would really like a redesigned Split View App Picker, of

00:56:59 ◼   ► course, like of course, but so many of my current problems would just be solved if they

00:57:03 ◼   ► had keyboard shortcuts. Right? Like that would be like the quickest way to fix the majority

00:57:10 ◼   ► of problems I have with the app picker.

00:57:12 ◼   ► I guess they tried to do that with the command tab switcher, but that thing really feels

00:57:17 ◼   ► as like glued on the top of everything else that's going on. And if you're in split view,

00:57:24 ◼   ► it's sort of confusing as to what it's going to do, I think sometimes and compared to if

00:57:28 ◼   ► and full screen app. It's just it's just all really messy. I think they need to streamline

00:57:34 ◼   ► the whole story around using more than one app at once.

00:57:36 ◼   ► Yeah, all it ever does is replaces the left app, right? That's what that's what it's doing.

00:57:41 ◼   ► And I kind of wish that it didn't do that. I wish that it would replace the app that

00:57:47 ◼   ► I'm currently in, you know, like on the one I'm not currently in, like, but I know that

00:57:51 ◼   ► would probably be more confusing because then it's changing panels in and out. But just

00:57:55 ◼   ► just the replacement of the left app and the spotlight also only opens the left app.

00:58:01 ◼   ► Like it's just frustrating. Like for me to do a lot of the stuff that I want to do,

00:58:05 ◼   ► I open the app that I least want to like, if I want to have two apps side by side and be

00:58:11 ◼   ► switching one out left and right, the one that I'm going to open first is the one that I want

00:58:16 ◼   ► to switch and then I bring in the one that I never want to switch from the side. It's just

00:58:19 ◼   ► like ridiculousness. Right? And I feel like the only people that understand what I just said are

00:58:24 ◼   ► are people that have this frustration because Federico knows what I'm talking about but like

00:58:29 ◼   ► if you don't know what I'm talking about like I can't explain this to you in a way that makes a

00:58:32 ◼   ► lot of sense but like just know there that if you're out there going yes then you get it you

00:58:37 ◼   ► get it you know I figure whilst doing all of this take a crack at the home screen too just for

00:58:44 ◼   ► funsies just see what you can do there to not just be this huge like huge wasteland of space between

00:58:53 ◼   ► the application icons?

00:58:55 ◼   ► Well, it should be more compact, for sure, at least on the iPad Pro.

00:58:59 ◼   ► It's just ridiculous. You can put three fingers

00:59:02 ◼   ► between icons on the iPad Pro home screen on the 12.9.

00:59:07 ◼   ► I don't know about widgets. I know the idea of, kind of like on Android, it's very popular.

00:59:13 ◼   ► I'm still not sold on having widgets alongside icons, but I'm at the point where

00:59:18 ◼   ► anything at this point would be better than what we have.

00:59:21 ◼   ► And I'm going to say even if they put widgets in there, it's not gonna be worse. If anything, it's gonna be better.

00:59:28 ◼   ► So I'm not sold on the idea, but if they do it,

00:59:32 ◼   ► it's welcome. It's a welcome change. At least they're using the space, you know?

00:59:36 ◼   ► Yep.

00:59:39 ◼   ► The next item on my list, and this is a big one,

00:59:44 ◼   ► drag and drop between apps. And I know that it may not sound like a big deal,

00:59:49 ◼   ► especially for Mac users, because drag and drop has been around for years.

00:59:53 ◼   ► But if Apple is gonna do drag and drop between apps on iOS, it requires...

00:59:58 ◼   ► It's a great effort from a technological point of view, and it requires the kind of system-wide framework and

01:00:05 ◼   ► developer adoption to make this work with multitouch and to make it intuitive and to make it account for

01:00:13 ◼   ► conditions such as, for example, Split View, whether Split View is active or not, and exactly

01:00:19 ◼   ► what kind of content are you dragging.

01:00:21 ◼   ► So let's talk examples.

01:00:25 ◼   ► There should be a system to be able to move data between two apps at the same time without

01:00:32 ◼   ► having to use the clipboard, so without having to copy something first and then pasting that

01:00:37 ◼   ► content or without having to use extensions.

01:00:41 ◼   ► now, if you're writing an email and you want to bring in a PDF, you have to go through

01:00:48 ◼   ► document providers. There's no way to say, "Well, I'm looking at this file right now.

01:00:54 ◼   ► It's on the right side of the screen. Why can I not grab this document and just drag

01:01:01 ◼   ► it over the message?" It's something obvious that desktop computers solved decades ago.

01:01:07 ◼   ► But under that system, there's a framework that says, well, now the user is dealing with

01:01:13 ◼   ► this kind of object.

01:01:15 ◼   ► It's a PDF document.

01:01:16 ◼   ► So what happens when the user drops this PDF document into an app?

01:01:20 ◼   ► Is it an app that can preview a PDF document or is it an app that can embed a PDF document

01:01:26 ◼   ► as an attachment?

01:01:27 ◼   ► So on iOS, there should be a way for apps to declare the kind of input types that they

01:01:32 ◼   ► can accept.

01:01:33 ◼   ► And there should also be a system where, if you drop something into a place where it's

01:01:37 ◼   ► not really meant to be, what happens if you drop, let's say, a PSD document from Photoshop

01:01:43 ◼   ► into Tweetbot?

01:01:44 ◼   ► What's gonna happen there?

01:01:45 ◼   ► So there should be a system to have it gracefully fail, and at least give the user a preview

01:01:52 ◼   ► of what is going on.

01:01:54 ◼   ► And especially in the context of multi-touch, with users being able to manipulate apps with

01:01:59 ◼   ► multiple fingers.

01:02:00 ◼   ► happens if you start dragging and then you change your mind and you say "well I don't

01:02:06 ◼   ► want to drop it into Tweetbot, I need to change apps now". Well, with Multitouch there could

01:02:10 ◼   ► be a way to start dragging something and use the other hand to open Split View, the App

01:02:16 ◼   ► Peeker, and choose a different destination app and drop the object into a separate app,

01:02:22 ◼   ► into a different app. And that will require also Split View to be able to engage the App

01:02:26 ◼   ► picker UI on both sides of the screen, not just on the right side, because drag and drop

01:02:31 ◼   ► could happen anywhere. And finally, from the technological point of view, it seems clear

01:02:38 ◼   ► to me that Apple needs to hit 60 frames per second with the drag and drop, with whatever

01:02:44 ◼   ► animation they use, with whatever preview system they use, but also, this is exactly

01:02:50 ◼   ► the job for an engine that can understand different content types, that can intelligently

01:02:58 ◼   ► translate between different formats. For example, if you grab some rich text and you drop it into

01:03:06 ◼   ► an app that supports plain text, there should be a system that can convert on the fly between those

01:03:11 ◼   ► two formats, or a system that if you drop an image into a text box, it just grabs the file name,

01:03:17 ◼   ► or maybe the link to an image and stop me if you've heard this before, but there's

01:03:22 ◼   ► that kind of engine, it's called the content graph and guess what? It has been bought by Apple.

01:03:29 ◼   ► Made by the workflow team.

01:03:32 ◼   ► Yes, this is something that Apple solved years ago on the Mac with the UTI parameter attributes

01:03:40 ◼   ► of documents and files. I mean, I guess back in the days of system 7 and now Steven knows

01:03:47 ◼   ► more than I do. But to be able to gracefully fail and understand file types and drop files

01:03:55 ◼   ► in two different locations, that's exactly what Apple solved on VanQuest. That is also

01:03:59 ◼   ► what Workflow tried to reimagine without multitouch just by converting and doing the file type

01:04:06 ◼   ► conversion dynamically. So it's, you know, best of both worlds. And I feel like Apple could leverage

01:04:13 ◼   ► the experience of VanQuest, multi-touch on iOS, the tech behind the content graph, and

01:04:18 ◼   ► everybody's happy.

01:04:19 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, these are solved problems, at least from the technology standpoint.

01:04:25 ◼   ► I agree with you, it's got to be buttery smooth on the iPad, it should be 60 frames a second,

01:04:32 ◼   ► it should follow your finger or the pencil.

01:04:35 ◼   ► What I'm curious about is developer adoption of this.

01:04:40 ◼   ► Is this something that apps are just going to get an iOS 11, you know, for some future

01:04:44 ◼   ► version of iOS?

01:04:45 ◼   ► Or, I mean, I assume developers, in addition to having intent displayed to the OS is saying,

01:04:52 ◼   ► Hey, I can accept these types of files, that there is some mechanism for graceful failure.

01:05:00 ◼   ► And is that something system wide, or is that each each developer is gonna have to do it

01:05:03 ◼   ► on their own up?

01:05:04 ◼   ► There's lots of questions.

01:05:05 ◼   ► I agree with you, though.

01:05:06 ◼   ► It's something so fundamental to how the Mac works and Windows.

01:05:10 ◼   ► I mean, any other graphic user interface has this.

01:05:14 ◼   ► And I think it's high time that it gets added to iOS.

01:05:17 ◼   ► And the final item on my list is--

01:05:23 ◼   ► this is such a broad topic, but let's

01:05:25 ◼   ► try to condense it to a bunch of annoyances that we have--

01:05:28 ◼   ► easier file management.

01:05:31 ◼   ► Now, managing files on iOS, it is a very wide problem.

01:05:39 ◼   ► We could talk about how the document picker is too slow to use.

01:05:44 ◼   ► You open the document picker, it defaults to iCloud Drive, but then you don't want to

01:05:49 ◼   ► use iCloud Drive, so you say, "Well, I want to switch to Dropbox or PDF expert or whatever."

01:05:55 ◼   ► It takes always a bunch of taps, and it feels like the system should be more flexible, should

01:06:02 ◼   ► be faster, should support the keyboard.

01:06:07 ◼   ► I shouldn't have to go through three different menus and five button taps to save a PDF document,

01:06:15 ◼   ► whatever I want.

01:06:18 ◼   ► So that would be the first one.

01:06:21 ◼   ► And then, I guess, we should talk about how the Premiere app that Apple sells as the finder

01:06:29 ◼   ► for iOS, maybe, in their minds, iCloud Drive, is kind of a joke on iOS.

01:06:36 ◼   ► It was meant to...

01:06:38 ◼   ► This is where I'm most conflicted, because I still can't believe that the redesign of

01:06:42 ◼   ► iCloud Drive that they shipped with iOS 10 was designed by someone who was serious about

01:06:47 ◼   ► it.

01:06:48 ◼   ► I remember last year we were at WWDC and I was talking to David Sparks and he was in

01:06:54 ◼   ► the process of moving dozens of documents to iCloud Drive and he showed me the iOS 10

01:07:00 ◼   ► beta with the new iCloud Drive design and he asked me, "Can you believe this is real?

01:07:05 ◼   ► The way that the folder expansion is on by default, how you cannot, or at least it's

01:07:11 ◼   ► super difficult to move files from one folder to another and just the, it seems like the

01:07:17 ◼   ► file management UI of iCloud Drive has been designed by someone who keeps at most maybe

01:07:22 ◼   ► two documents in iCloud Drive.

01:07:23 ◼   ► It's like my favorite thing about it is how do you save something to the general

01:07:28 ◼   ► iCloud Drive storage from an application? You tap on the iCloud Drive button and then

01:07:32 ◼   ► hit iCloud Drive as the option. So it's like what is this? What is this?

01:07:37 ◼   ► And you need to scroll.

01:07:38 ◼   ► All the way to the bottom.

01:07:39 ◼   ► You need to scroll all the way to the bottom.

01:07:42 ◼   ► You hit the iCloud Drive button in the eye.

01:07:45 ◼   ► Yeah, and so let's talk solutions. There should be a way to centralize all of these document

01:07:54 ◼   ► providers into a single location. So the underlying idea that Apple had is not too bad of you

01:08:04 ◼   ► have different document providers and you can choose. And that is not a terrible idea,

01:08:09 ◼   ► But the execution has been awful.

01:08:11 ◼   ► So there should be a centralized app

01:08:14 ◼   ► to manage files that makes it easy for you

01:08:17 ◼   ► to choose where you want to save a document or any other file.

01:08:23 ◼   ► It should support multiple files at the same time.

01:08:27 ◼   ► It should have system-wide support

01:08:29 ◼   ► for multiple file operations.

01:08:32 ◼   ► So if I want to save 10 files in a row,

01:08:34 ◼   ► if I want to rename multiple files,

01:08:36 ◼   ► if I want to share them, I should be able to do so.

01:08:39 ◼   ► There should be some kind of manual--

01:08:41 ◼   ► and this is what we were talking about before--

01:08:43 ◼   ► there should be some kind of manual user customization.

01:08:46 ◼   ► If I never want to see Dropbox or if I never

01:08:49 ◼   ► want to see iCloud Drive, let me disable those sources.

01:08:53 ◼   ► There should be some kind of sense

01:08:55 ◼   ► of remembering user preferences, last saved locations.

01:09:01 ◼   ► There should be a way to view recent files.

01:09:03 ◼   ► And there should be a way to organize files

01:09:06 ◼   ► in more ways, small folders, tags, being able to inspect some document attributes, such

01:09:13 ◼   ► as modification dates and other metadata in an easier way. Again, these are problems that

01:09:19 ◼   ► Apple solved years ago with the Finder, and I'm not arguing for... People conflate the

01:09:26 ◼   ► idea of "well, now you want a file system on iOS, you want an user-visible file system",

01:09:31 ◼   ► I don't want that. iOS already has a file system from that point of view and it's the document

01:09:36 ◼   ► providers. So that ship has long sailed. There is a file system that is folders that you can actually

01:09:42 ◼   ► manage, but the solution used to manage those folders is terrible. There should be a better way,

01:09:48 ◼   ► there should be a finder app to browse contents of apps that can look into the... where apps can look

01:09:57 ◼   ► into each other's libraries, of course, given the user's consent. There should be a way to avoid

01:10:05 ◼   ► using extensions or the clipboard. There should be support for multiple files, user customization,

01:10:11 ◼   ► history of recent documents and recent locations. You know, all the great things about the Finder,

01:10:18 ◼   ► minus going into the cache folder of iOS and doing terrible things, but all the app libraries,

01:10:26 ◼   ► all of the user-created folders and documents, they should be presented in a better way,

01:10:31 ◼   ► so Apple should take what works in the Finder, what is not confusing, and make it work on

01:10:37 ◼   ► iOS. And that is my... my... pleat for the future.

01:10:42 ◼   ► So I want all of this, all that stuff. I had a couple of things over the last couple of

01:10:47 ◼   ► days where, leading up to this episode, they were just ringing around in my brain more.

01:10:53 ◼   ► So like, today I sent a PDF to somebody via email with the PDF open in PDF Pen and I had

01:11:03 ◼   ► to click the attach button and go into Dropbox and go into the file and attach it.

01:11:08 ◼   ► And it's sitting there right there.

01:11:09 ◼   ► Like I could see you, I was just there.

01:11:11 ◼   ► I just saved it to Dropbox from PDF Pen and then I had to email, go back to Dropbox to

01:11:17 ◼   ► get it.

01:11:18 ◼   ► So just let me just drag and drop it through.

01:11:20 ◼   ► The other was, yesterday, I had to send four attachments to someone in one email from Dropbox.

01:11:29 ◼   ► What a crazy request.

01:11:30 ◼   ► Boy, did it take me a while, because on the first time, on the fourth attachment, airmail

01:11:36 ◼   ► just hung.

01:11:38 ◼   ► So I had to close the app and then had to do it all over again with all four attachments.

01:11:44 ◼   ► Takes a long time, and yet super annoying, and hey, did you know you can do these things

01:11:48 ◼   ► on the Mac?

01:11:49 ◼   ► I'm very aware, very aware of all of that, thanks so much. I would like it to be on iOS.

01:11:56 ◼   ► So but yeah, I don't want to do the document picker dance three times, four times to attach

01:12:02 ◼   ► four attachments. Just let me do it one time and select multiple things and add them in.

01:12:08 ◼   ► Or let me drag and drop things from the new amazing finder.app. Like whatever it is, just

01:12:15 ◼   ► I don't care if if like I have to drag and drop it from the finder thing.

01:12:19 ◼   ► Like I don't care. Like it doesn't bother me.

01:12:21 ◼   ► However, I need this works.

01:12:23 ◼   ► Just give me a way to do it.

01:12:25 ◼   ► That isn't the current way that is smarter.

01:12:27 ◼   ► And the thing is, it's like

01:12:30 ◼   ► all of this stuff was so much better from iOS 8 to iOS 9.

01:12:35 ◼   ► Like so much better, so much better that we couldn't even foresee the problems

01:12:40 ◼   ► because it was just so much better.

01:12:44 ◼   ► But we're now rounding on iOS 11 and it hasn't gotten any better at all.

01:12:50 ◼   ► So it's time to make it better.

01:12:52 ◼   ► Yup.

01:12:53 ◼   ► So anybody else got anything to say on software before we move into hardware?

01:13:00 ◼   ► I'm done personally.

01:13:01 ◼   ► Yeah I hope you're done Federico, I hope that's all we need.

01:13:05 ◼   ► I mean I think the big thing for me is that the file dancing stuff, because so much of

01:13:11 ◼   ► I do for like relay admin work is then

01:13:13 ◼   ► with emails and PDFs like you do Myke I

01:13:16 ◼   ► just give up like I'm not willing to tap

01:13:18 ◼   ► the stupid button four times and then

01:13:20 ◼   ► four more times telling it I don't want

01:13:22 ◼   ► iCloud I want Dropbox like it's just so much

01:13:25 ◼   ► slower for me for what I can do it on

01:13:28 ◼   ► the Mac I just do it at the Mac and I

01:13:31 ◼   ► think there are a lot of people who feel

01:13:32 ◼   ► the way I do about that and and this

01:13:34 ◼   ► isn't so much about turning the iPad

01:13:35 ◼   ► into the Mac but it's about making the

01:13:37 ◼   ► iPad more efficient and for some types

01:13:39 ◼   ► of uses. That's all I'm really after.

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01:16:03 ◼   ► So I guess it's probably my time, right?

01:16:06 ◼   ► So we've had Federico with his amazing roundup of all of the lovely software stuff that we

01:16:13 ◼   ► would like to see.

01:16:14 ◼   ► Now I figured that I would do hardware because nobody knows the software of iOS better than

01:16:20 ◼   ► Federico.

01:16:21 ◼   ► would try to do the part that at least I know pretty well too and that's the

01:16:25 ◼   ► hardware and it's because I use both iPads every day right like so I am maybe

01:16:31 ◼   ► uniquely or semi uniquely set up to talk about this so bigger screens now bigger

01:16:39 ◼   ► screens I would like in any way that they can be given to me and it doesn't

01:16:43 ◼   ► just mean by making the screen or device physically larger so you can make the

01:16:49 ◼   ► screens on the existing models bigger by decreasing the bezels. You can increase

01:16:53 ◼   ► the screen resolutions to make the smaller sizes more compelling or feel

01:16:58 ◼   ► bigger or eventually just make bigger iPads. Now points 1 and 2 may be taken up

01:17:03 ◼   ► by this 10.5 inch iPad we've been speaking about and hoping for for a

01:17:07 ◼   ► while right that it's gonna make the screen bigger to give you more space and

01:17:10 ◼   ► also increase the screen resolution so it works more like the 12.9 and

01:17:15 ◼   ► And then eventually one day I would love a 29-inch iPad once a lot of the software stuff

01:17:20 ◼   ► has been worked out, right, and it becomes closer and closer to what the Mac can do.

01:17:25 ◼   ► I would love to have like a huge device, right, that would be very impressive, like very appealing

01:17:32 ◼   ► to me I think.

01:17:34 ◼   ► Yeah, I, we talked about the idea of having a big iPad on a table, on a desk, and you

01:17:42 ◼   ► You know, I'm looking at the Surface Studio and I was actually looking at other Windows

01:17:49 ◼   ► computers, tablets, whatever, that they have at my local IKEA store and I was looking at

01:17:56 ◼   ► people using those displays, kind of very comfortable, very large, and I liked the idea

01:18:03 ◼   ► of, you know, I wouldn't mind having like a 20-inch iPad on my desk right now and just

01:18:11 ◼   ► moving my arms around to rearrange stuff, maybe, you know, a four-up split view. I could

01:18:18 ◼   ► see that. And, I mean, obviously I'm not gonna be the guy with the 20-inch iPad walking around

01:18:25 ◼   ► Rome as a modern Moses, but, you know, on my kitchen table, on my desk in my studio,

01:18:36 ◼   ► I think it would be quite nice. I could see the iPad for home and the iPad on the go.

01:18:41 ◼   ► Sort of an evolution of what Myke does now, but done in a sort of an official Apple way.

01:18:48 ◼   ► This is the iPad that you use at home, and this is the iPad that you bring with you.

01:18:53 ◼   ► Yeah, I agree.

01:18:54 ◼   ► iPad in the sheets, iPad on the streets.

01:18:56 ◼   ► Right?

01:18:57 ◼   ► That's what I did, and I meant it.

01:19:00 ◼   ► Peripherals.

01:19:01 ◼   ► I want more peripherals, I want updates to current ones, and I want more of them.

01:19:07 ◼   ► So new versions of the Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard.

01:19:10 ◼   ► I would like iterations and improvements. So here are a few things that I think could

01:19:14 ◼   ► be done. We'll start off with the pencil. Better battery life. Apple did not account

01:19:19 ◼   ► I think for the way that some people like me would use their pencils and I can run through

01:19:23 ◼   ► it very quickly. I also feel like, I mean I know this has been a thing that's changed

01:19:27 ◼   ► over time, but just that my pencil is out of battery way more frequently than I think

01:19:32 ◼   ► it will be. I would like to see a button put on the Apple pencil. There are myriad of things

01:19:39 ◼   ► you could do with this. You could add functions with the pencil to it. So for example, if

01:19:45 ◼   ► you were in an app like Procreate, they could map an eraser to the button. So you press

01:19:49 ◼   ► the button and then as you're holding the button you could continue to swipe and it

01:19:53 ◼   ► would turn your brush into an eraser. You could have shortcuts mapped to it. So inside

01:19:59 ◼   ► of a specific application, you know, you could select and press it to copy. You know, you

01:20:04 ◼   ► You could maybe map that in an app.

01:20:06 ◼   ► Or you could use it as a way to add 3D touch to the iPad in some ways.

01:20:12 ◼   ► So you could add this button and whenever you do it and whatever you tap it's as if

01:20:16 ◼   ► you 3D touch something.

01:20:17 ◼   ► So there's some things you could do with a button but I think a button would be a nice

01:20:21 ◼   ► thing to add.

01:20:22 ◼   ► Also a button would stop the pencil from rolling because the pencil does roll.

01:20:25 ◼   ► It has weights in it but you put it down fast enough that thing rolls around and a button

01:20:29 ◼   ► would stop that.

01:20:31 ◼   ► It would be akin to something that we call a roll stop, which is a very obvious name

01:20:36 ◼   ► given to a piece of functionality in nice pens.

01:20:39 ◼   ► It's called a roll stop.

01:20:40 ◼   ► It stops the pen from rolling.

01:20:42 ◼   ► So they can add a little roll stop on the side.

01:20:45 ◼   ► I also still want an aluminium Apple Pencil, because why not?

01:20:49 ◼   ► It would be nicer.

01:20:51 ◼   ► You could charge more money for it.

01:20:52 ◼   ► You can get that ASP up even more.

01:20:53 ◼   ► You can do them in all the four colours.

01:20:56 ◼   ► An aluminium doesn't mean heavy either.

01:20:59 ◼   ► It will be heavier but it won't necessarily be heavy.

01:21:01 ◼   ► I have so many aluminium pens.

01:21:05 ◼   ► Basically most of the pens I own are made out of one of two materials, either acrylic

01:21:10 ◼   ► plastic or aluminium.

01:21:12 ◼   ► This is a thing.

01:21:14 ◼   ► Aluminium pens is a thing and I would very much like an aluminium apple pencil because

01:21:19 ◼   ► I would like that.

01:21:22 ◼   ► Looking at the keyboard I would like there to be a media row so add more keys.

01:21:27 ◼   ► and pause and volume up and down or brightness up and down. I want those. You could even

01:21:31 ◼   ► add keys in there to activate split view, right? Imagine that wonder. You could have

01:21:37 ◼   ► a split view keys in there. Maybe one day, not in the near future, but maybe one day

01:21:42 ◼   ► a touch bar. Wouldn't that be nice? Wouldn't that be nice?

01:21:46 ◼   ► That I don't see the, I don't see the need for that on an iPad keyboard.

01:21:53 ◼   ► it's moving the quick type move it down onto the keyboard because the quick type is currently

01:21:58 ◼   ► on the screen. Yeah I mean okay I don't know that my in my thing about the keyboard and

01:22:04 ◼   ► I actually haven't talked to you guys about this but I've actually moved away from using

01:22:08 ◼   ► the smart keyboard on my 9.7 inch iPad Pro over time the more I use it the more I find

01:22:15 ◼   ► it uncomfortable like the keys are just a little too small so I have a second magic

01:22:21 ◼   ► keyboard or whatever the Mac one is called in a canopy which is made by our

01:22:27 ◼   ► friends at Studio Neat. And you know I I know why the keys are smaller on it is

01:22:33 ◼   ► because you know they're held down by that fabric that makes it you know water

01:22:36 ◼   ► resistant and it makes a weird scratching noise when you type which is

01:22:39 ◼   ► still haven't gotten used to but I really wish there was less space between

01:22:43 ◼   ► the keys and was a little bit easier to type on at least for my typing style so

01:22:48 ◼   ► So I have just put a regular smart cover back on my iPad Pro and carrying a keyboard around

01:22:53 ◼   ► when I need it.

01:22:57 ◼   ► I still use the Logitech Create on the small one and the smart keyboard on the big one.

01:23:03 ◼   ► There are so many problems with the smart keyboard.

01:23:06 ◼   ► One of them, the biggest for me, is the adjustable angle, like the inability to adjust an angle.

01:23:13 ◼   ► So terrible.

01:23:14 ◼   ► so frequently unlike how far I'm like sitting down on the couch it's like I

01:23:18 ◼   ► feel like I am reaching to an almost 90 degrees to hit the iPad sometimes I feel

01:23:23 ◼   ► like my hand just keeps going until it taps the screen there needs to be an

01:23:27 ◼   ► adjustable angle there as well. The problem with the adjustable angle it is

01:23:32 ◼   ► the reason why I have to use the the magic keyboard with the canopy case

01:23:37 ◼   ► stand it's because it provides a better angle you know when I'm working from my

01:23:44 ◼   ► car, which I realize it's not a very common problem, but I just prefer the

01:23:50 ◼   ► solution to the Smart Keyboard, which I also agree with Steven, it needs bigger

01:23:55 ◼   ► keys, and I mean I think I have normal size hands, I think I'm comparable to Myke

01:24:01 ◼   ► from that point of view, but Myke can actually use the Smart Keyboard and I

01:24:06 ◼   ► can't, so I think I would love to have bigger keys, adjustable angle and maybe

01:24:12 ◼   ► backlight? Oh yeah, no I forgot about backlight. Yeah definitely. Definitely a

01:24:18 ◼   ► backlight. The reason I forgot to say backlight is because when I was

01:24:21 ◼   ► originally writing these notes I was using the 9.7 inch with the create

01:24:26 ◼   ► keyboard. So I was thinking, I don't even have to think about backlight because it's there and

01:24:30 ◼   ► it's awesome. But yeah definitely backlighting is 100% required.

01:24:37 ◼   ► I would also like to see some accessories that aren't keyboards or that terrible stand thing.

01:24:46 ◼   ► Who is it that made that stand? You know what I'm talking about? The charging stand?

01:24:50 ◼   ► Logitech. Logitech. It's the iPad Pro stand with the smart connector.

01:24:56 ◼   ► Yeah. You mean? Yeah, it was Logitech I think. That was so bad.

01:25:00 ◼   ► The Logitech stand? Yeah. It charged like super slowly.

01:25:05 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean the smart connector, have we seen, I think I can count the accessories

01:25:13 ◼   ► on one hand, the big iPod Pro smart keyboard, the small iPad Pro smart keyboard, the Logitech

01:25:18 ◼   ► Create 1 and 2, the Logitech Stand were at 5, and I think that's it.

01:25:25 ◼   ► Five accessories in two years of smart connector.

01:25:28 ◼   ► It's not great.

01:25:30 ◼   ► Yeah, you could sell that as a limited edition, maybe? I don't know. Apple going for the Nintendo

01:25:37 ◼   ► approach with the Amiibo, it's like super scarce accessories. I think something obviously

01:25:43 ◼   ► didn't work out as Apple was expecting. I mean, five accessories in two years seems

01:25:48 ◼   ► a bit wrong.

01:25:49 ◼   ► And Logitech's the only third-party company doing it. I found a review to Jason Snell,

01:25:55 ◼   ► he talked about the Logitech base, we'll have that in the show notes. But yeah, it just

01:25:59 ◼   ► like there's it's a real opportunity here and you know I had pictured I think

01:26:03 ◼   ► we even talked about it like what if you have a cool like you know DJing surface

01:26:08 ◼   ► and you sit the iPad down on it or you know the music stuff comes to mind for

01:26:12 ◼   ► me that you could put so many things underneath the iPad and make it more

01:26:16 ◼   ► interesting from a content creation standpoint and you know I don't know if

01:26:21 ◼   ► it's a deal where that smart connector just doesn't provide the throughput

01:26:26 ◼   ► needed for other things. I don't know if it is kind of like HomeKit where you have to

01:26:31 ◼   ► work with Apple so closely and just really slow and so companies don't do it, but I

01:26:35 ◼   ► think that Apple, if they want to pitch the iPad as being really flexible within other

01:26:40 ◼   ► types of systems, the smart connector has got to get better.

01:26:45 ◼   ► And my final heading for today is just in all caps, it just says power.

01:26:54 ◼   ► I want Apple, at least with the iPad line, to just continue making these things more

01:27:00 ◼   ► and more powerful, like as time continues.

01:27:04 ◼   ► Be willing to kill off the low end chips with like software updates or whatever they would

01:27:09 ◼   ► do to get rid of those.

01:27:11 ◼   ► Don't keep things around purely to fill price gaps.

01:27:15 ◼   ► keep pushing until they make the iPad desktop class because just keep doing it.

01:27:20 ◼   ► Like how so many people have been talking about with the Mac line.

01:27:25 ◼   ► Keep the hardware the same and keep putting new chips in them. Keep putting

01:27:29 ◼   ► new chips in them every year. More chips, more chips, more chips. Because I feel

01:27:35 ◼   ► like to make the iPad really do what they want it to do, they have to get it

01:27:41 ◼   ► closer and closer to the Mac in so many ways. And it is speed and it is software.

01:27:46 ◼   ► And my feeling is if you just keep making this thing more and more powerful,

01:27:50 ◼   ► you make it more and more easy for more people to move over, you make it more and

01:27:54 ◼   ► more easy for more developers to put their applications on it because they'll

01:27:56 ◼   ► be able to match the the performance without having to worry about catering

01:28:01 ◼   ► to the low end. Like I feel that whilst this is a expensive thing to do, it's a

01:28:06 ◼   ► tricky thing to do, it currently is maybe more expensive than Apple would like

01:28:11 ◼   ► any way to be running the iPad line when sales are declining. So why don't you just make a plan

01:28:18 ◼   ► for like six or seven years and just keep firing at it and then see evaluate from there. And maybe

01:28:26 ◼   ► it works maybe it doesn't but then at that point you can either kill the project completely if

01:28:29 ◼   ► you're not happy with it although please don't do that or you can go back to a slower strategy but

01:28:34 ◼   ► like why not just try it and see what happens because you might end up with some very compelling

01:28:39 ◼   ► results at the end.

01:28:41 ◼   ► Yeah, it gets me when I when I hear the argument from other people that say,

01:28:45 ◼   ► "Well, the iPad is powerful enough. The problem is not the hardware. The problem is the software." Yes, that is true, but they're not

01:28:52 ◼   ► mutually exclusive, and I think

01:28:56 ◼   ► Apple needs to keep improving the hardware to enable more powerful kinds of software in the future.

01:29:02 ◼   ► You know, when you're dealing with software development, and you need to compile a project,

01:29:06 ◼   ► which is reasonable to expect, you know, in the future of the iPad, to see Xcode coming to the platform.

01:29:10 ◼   ► And you need to compile a, you know, code into an executable piece of software,

01:29:16 ◼   ► well, you're gonna need that power. And even right now, if you're using PythonEso or Workflow and you're dealing with, you know,

01:29:21 ◼   ► complex expressions and evaluating long strings of text, and I'm talking several megabytes,

01:29:26 ◼   ► you're gonna want to have a processor that can handle that.

01:29:29 ◼   ► When you're dealing with games or when you're dealing with 3D graphics,

01:29:32 ◼   ► you're actually creating 3D graphics on the iPad, or you need to edit an 8K image in an

01:29:39 ◼   ► image editor on iOS, do you want the power or not? You see, we didn't get to the moon

01:29:44 ◼   ► with a horse carriage. We get there because we were able to build rockets. And so I think

01:29:49 ◼   ► it is stupid to say, "Well, it's just going to settle. It's powerful enough." Because

01:29:52 ◼   ► if you don't keep firing on all of those cylinders, as you say, Myke, you're going to reach a

01:29:57 ◼   ► point where you have the opposite problem. You say, "Well, we have all of these ideas

01:30:01 ◼   ► for the software, but guess what, we're behind on the hardware now. So I think both advancements

01:30:08 ◼   ► need to happen simultaneously. They need to keep pushing for better graphics, better CPU,

01:30:14 ◼   ► more powerful hardware, and they need to go back to the software and say "well now we

01:30:20 ◼   ► really need to reimagine everything, because it's been two years since iOS 9". But the

01:30:25 ◼   ► The argument that the iPad is powerful enough and it's time for Apple to, what, stop?

01:30:31 ◼   ► Just pause innovation on CPUs and GPUs?

01:30:34 ◼   ► It's just silly.

01:30:35 ◼   ► And I think it is one of the biggest investments that Apple can do for the future of productivity

01:30:42 ◼   ► is to keep pushing the limits of mobile hardware, mobile CPUs and GPUs, and to create the foundation

01:30:50 ◼   ► for new software that will take us further than we've ever been so far.

01:30:56 ◼   ► You know, I think we should hope that Apple keeps pushing for better hardware

01:31:04 ◼   ► to get us to the second life of iOS software and iOS apps.

01:31:09 ◼   ► If you're out there and you make either iPad hardware or software,

01:31:13 ◼   ► just do all of that and you're good.

01:31:16 ◼   ► That's it. Just do all of those things.

01:31:19 ◼   ► - Just listen to this episode, print it out on multiple sheets of paper, pin those to

01:31:25 ◼   ► the wall of your office, follow word by word, and talk to us in a couple of years, and we're

01:31:31 ◼   ► gonna be happy. Everybody wins. - Get a permanent marker and write on the wall above the printout

01:31:37 ◼   ► roadmap and you're good. - It can be kind of like your vision board. - If you want,

01:31:44 ◼   ► just send me an email, I'll put it all into a Trello board for you, you know, whenever

01:31:48 ◼   ► you do, however you work, I'm willing to format it for you. Just give us all of those things.

01:31:53 ◼   ► That's all we ask. You can be a vision consultant. More than happy. More than happy to consult

01:32:00 ◼   ► on that vision. If you want to find out show notes for this week, go to relay.fm/connected/138.

01:32:06 ◼   ► Thanks again to our sponsors, the fine folk over at Squarespace, Mac, Walden and Audible.

01:32:11 ◼   ► You can find Steven online at 512pixels.net. He is also on YouTube. You can search 512pixels

01:32:16 ◼   ► on YouTube and you'll find him there and he is @ismh on Twitter. Federico is @Vicici

01:32:24 ◼   ► and at maxstories.net where I believe it's going to be a big week Federico if I've been

01:32:28 ◼   ► reading your tea leaves correctly. The clues are out there, it's written in the skies,

01:32:34 ◼   ► you can find it if you want. I am @imyke and we'll be back next time, until then thank

01:32:41 ◼   ► you for listening, say goodbye everybody. Adios!

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