151: The Snapchat of Moving Plastic
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From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 151.
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Today's show is brought to you by Text Expander from Smile, Blue Apron, and Ting.
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My name is Myke Hurley, and I am joined by Mr. Steven Hackett.
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How you doing?
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Just us today.
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Yeah, Federico, he had to go tend to some very urgent tortoise business.
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So he's on clean-up duty from last week's episode with 150 tortoises I sent to Italy
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for him as a surprise gift.
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You would think chasing 150 turtles would be easy, because they're slow, but when you
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have that many of them, it just really gets out of hand.
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It's just us.
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Just the two of us together.
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I would recommend that maybe people tweet to Federico.
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Ah, see you can't send 150 character tweets.
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I was going to suggest that people send 150 tortoise emoji to him.
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Well you do 140 and then you do a second tweet with 10 more.
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Yeah that would work.
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Well just any amount really and eventually it will add up to 150.
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That's good.
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I'm going to do it right now.
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Send your solidarity to Federico as he's dealing with the tortoise situation by sending him
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I'm on the Mac so I had to open the emoji picker and then I was reminded how terrible
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that is on Mac OS.
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So we have some follow-ups, Stephen.
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We do, but I'm still pacing turtles.
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Well you're gonna, you know, come on, get your eyes on the pros.
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Okay, my eyes are on the weirdest, not the weirdest, it's definitely not the weirdest
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email we've ever gotten for this show, but it's a little unusual and this is from a listener
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I will call "person familiar with the matter."
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So a person familiar with the matter writes in,
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Apple was conducting a field capture period.
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So I'm going to stop right here.
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Field capture means if Apple is looking
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at a problem with some of their hardware,
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then if you go to the Genius Bar with that problem,
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they're going to replace your device,
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and your old one gets into Apple for them to poke at it.
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So very often in the weeks after an iPhone launch or a new Mac
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launch, for instance, they may open one of these
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if there's some sort of issue,
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or if they think there's an issue.
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So Apple is doing this with Apple Watches
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in the realm of the back plate separating.
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So we've spoken about this a couple of times now,
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where the little charging, it's either glass or ceramic,
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or not ceramic, what's on the stainless steel watch,
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like the nice glass, the sapphire cover.
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Those things sometimes come off on the charger.
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We've all seen pictures of it.
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Apple was conducting a field capture period for that issue, looking at a chemical found
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in Cernit sunscreens and lotions, which they believe can cause the adhesive to break down
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So there is adhesive that holds that little window on to the body, and some types of sunscreen
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and lotion can get in there and break that adhesive down, then the thing comes apart.
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Person familiar with the matter says, "I understand that the number of affected units is quite
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vast but the issue only occurs with Cernit topical products and it's unclear
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if it's just first-generation pains or if later models may see the issue in the
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future. I believe in this email that it's just the first-generation Apple Watch
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and that they have resolved this or changed the adhesive on later models but
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you know you can't test for everything right and an Apple back in the Earth Day
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push they were talking about how they test sweat and all these different
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things and it seems like maybe something slipped through. So if you have one of
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these watches like we've talked about Apple's repairing them or replacing them
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if you have a problem like this take it to a Genius Bar call Apple Care and they
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should get you taken care of but it's kind of interesting to hear a little bit
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behind the scenes. I find this sort of stuff just super interesting. Yeah it
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also it lends kind of an explanation to the reason where it seems that at least
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the people that I've seen complaining about this tend to say this isn't the first time
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this happened to me. Yeah. Right? Like, you know, people that written in or people that
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I've seen talking about us on Twitter, there seems to be quite a few people that it's happened
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to multiple times, which would make sense, right? Because if it's a specific lotion or
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type of cream that is weakening this, well, if you continue to use that, there is a, you
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have a still like a strong likelihood of it happening again unless they fix it. But yeah,
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it was really interesting. Yeah. Cause you've got the brand of whatever that you like to
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use totally makes sense yeah so I've I've not had this happen I've had you
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know I watch for a long time and but turns out it's out there so again if you
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have this issue talk to Apple it seems like they're taking care of people maybe
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what it's really saying is that me and you just don't even use enough lotion
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products hmm I use very little product there you go that's why you just you
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just keep it real Oh natural so we're gonna move from a person familiar with
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lotion matter to issues with face scanning? So Leon sent a tweet in to me which was really
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interesting. He mentioned that women who wear headscarves that may cover their faces like
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hijabs or niqabs or burqas could have issues with a face detection system on the iPhone.
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I thought this was very interesting because yes, if you're covering your face for whatever reason
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it is that you want to cover your face be it religious or if you just prefer to live your
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your life that way, you could potentially have a problem with a face detection system
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that you may not have with a fingerprint system.
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Now I just said, you know, that there are people under certain circumstances where they
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would also wear gloves as well as headscarves, so they may not be able to use any of these
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types of systems.
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But let's just say that you do have your hands free, right?
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Right now you can just use Touch IDEA and you're good to go.
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And if Apple are going to just use a predominantly camera-based system, right, this could be
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a problem. When I say camera, I mean like you know traditional cameras as we see.
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But I was wondering if maybe an infrared system could also help with this? I don't
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know what the power or the technical limitations or benefits of using
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infrared is, but I will be very interested to see if Apple's system will
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be able to see through stuff like that because it will obviously help with
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people that are in these situations or choose to be in these situations. But if
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If it doesn't, then that's going to be a frustration.
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But with every one of these things, it does, I guess, discount some people, right?
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Like if you don't have fingerprints, if you don't have a hand, if you don't have any hands,
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right, that can help you.
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That's going to be difficult for you with Touch ID.
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This is what we were talking about the first time, right?
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Like every one of these systems, these biometric systems, will exclude a group of people in
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in some cases, and it's up to Apple to make it so their phones, their products are still
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accessible to these people in some way to try and not make it too difficult for them
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even through a period of change.
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Yeah, I think it's totally fair, and it's just about making the right trade-offs.
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And you know, if Touch ID survives and they add face scanning ID, whatever they're going
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to call it, then it could be more inclusive, right?
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that you could have groups of people who can't use Touch ID
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who can use the face.
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And so I'm hoping that this is additive, but who knows?
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Every day there's a new rumor that now the rumor,
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we're not gonna get into it today,
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but the rumor I think is that the unicorn iPhone Pro
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is now not gonna be even in manufacturing
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until October or November.
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I mean, who knows?
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But it seems like there's something going on.
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But yeah, I think this was a good point by Leon
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and I think one definitely worth considering.
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- Now we spent some time talking about
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face ID system and twins.
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- Naturally.
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- And I think at the time when we were talking about this,
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I was just like, look, I just believe
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that they would be a way to solve this problem.
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Turns out there is.
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Jonathan wrote in to let us know that Windows Hello
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can currently identify identical twins accurately.
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So it is in theory possible for Apple to do this.
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Now this is from an article on Business Insider.
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I'll just read a little paragraph from this.
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"The facial recognition software that is in Windows Hello
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"requires a RealSense camera from Intel.
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"The RealSense camera is made up of three different cameras
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"in the system, an infrared, regular, and 3D camera.
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"The software then combines these into a single image
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"that can judge depth, heat, and photos
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"to decide whether the user matches.
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"And this, combined with whatever software
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"that Microsoft have written for Windows Hello,
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"can tell twins, identical twins, apart."
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So yes, it is possible if it's done correctly.
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So that's pretty cool.
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That is pretty cool, I think.
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You know, if I was making a product like this,
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I would totally do that demo, you know?
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- Like bring identical twins out
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to show how good your product is.
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- That's pretty good.
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- Like that'd be a pretty cool demo.
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Like you bring identical twins on the stage
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and then like you set it up with one of them,
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then the other one tries to open it and can't,
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then you know, that's a pretty cool demo, I think.
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- I think you also have to demo evil twins, right?
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Like you don't want your evil twin
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getting into your Facebook account.
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- That would be, that was how Craig Federighi
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would do the demo, I think, would talk about Evil Twins.
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- He would just come up with a goatee, back at Evil.
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- From the bad timeline.
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- So we have spoken a lot about security cameras recently,
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about the Logitech thing.
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Nest is back with something they're calling the Nest Cam IQ.
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It looks sort of like the outdoor Nest Cam,
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but it's only indoor,
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there's not an outdoor version of this yet.
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It uses a 4K sensor, but it is only recording in 1080.
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And what that lets this camera do is really kind of trippy.
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And there's a video in the show notes MKBHD did on YouTube
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that explains this and shows it.
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It can zoom in and keep the image really clear
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because it's capturing 4K but only, I guess,
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exporting 1080, so there's lots of data to work with.
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And because it can do this, it can zoom in,
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it can follow people and learn faces.
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So for instance, if I have my face and my wife's face
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in the NES software, it won't sense a problem
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if it sees us enter.
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- Yeah, MKBHD was saying that right now
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it still sends notifications, which is a little weird.
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So it'll say like Steven is in the office,
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when really it would be nice if you just said
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if you recognize a face, don't send a notification.
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At least it's good to get, 'cause I mean,
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I can see why you would also maybe want one, right?
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you know when your partner is home or you know when your family member is home
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if that's a thing but it would be good to have the ability to turn that off.
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I do think that all of this stuff sounds really cool and I will say watching this
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video I felt a little bit sad about my Canary. Like I love my Canary home
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security system. Like I love it. I have spoken about it effusively over the
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years but I don't... whatever the company is doing right now is not what I'm
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interested in right like the the outdoor camera great I mean I don't have an
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outdoors to protect I live in an apartment building but I would like to
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see some more like a new version of the canary which has some cool features that
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are like this because honestly like I'm getting a bit tempted with the nest now
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like looking at that I'm like oh I like all of that like the 4k sensor thing is
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really smart face detection is really smart like being able to set those hot
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zones that you talk about like all the areas not to detect like our canary goes
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off every once in a while because it gets light from a window and we could I guess just
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put a box around the area and be like don't sense anything from that area because it's
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like it's just sensing it from the window. So I don't know I would like to see that I
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have my fingers crossed because you know the Canary in my opinion was the superior camera
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for a long time and my hope would be that like they're working on some stuff that they
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can leapfrog again but we're just gonna have to wait and see.
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- Yeah, I've got a Canary and I use it
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because it can make an alarm sound.
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That's all built in.
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And it will show temperature and humidity,
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so it's nice, I keep one in my office.
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But yeah, so I definitely am very interested
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in the Nest Cam IQ.
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I ordered one of the Logitech cameras
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that they are promising future home kit support.
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I ordered the system where you can stick it to a window.
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'Cause where I wanna put it,
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that's actually kind of a key thing.
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So I am looking forward to trying that,
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but at the same time, this Nest Cam IQ
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definitely has my eye, and so I've got the Logitech.
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I'm not gonna commit to changing platforms.
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At this point, I'll have the Logitech,
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a Nest, and a Canary, so I feel like I can kinda keep eye
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on everything and see how it evolves.
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- Wow, you're all over the place.
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- All over the place, and none of them support HomeKit,
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so I can just have a little folder on my iPhone
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full of camera apps, but I'm hoping that Logitech's
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Logitech says they're gonna support HomeKit with this thing.
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There's that rumor that Nest may move that way.
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Canary has promised it in a version two
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that continues to not ship,
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so I don't really know what's going on there.
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But yeah, it's an exciting time if you care about this stuff.
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- And again, I'm also continuing to hope
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that we're gonna see something interesting
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come from the new HomeKit stuff, right?
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That that's gonna help more companies.
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that was kind of the hope.
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- Yes, I will say, it's early days I think for that, right?
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Like if that was just announced,
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it takes these companies time to change course.
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I mean, maybe in the fall or sometime next year,
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we'll see an influx of options.
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- Yeah, we will.
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I hope so because I would like to be able
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to have a system that works with HomeKit, right?
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Like I'm interested in that,
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so I'm hoping that we can get it.
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And I really hope that it is the canary
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because for all of the reasons that you mentioned
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the reasons that we went with it, right? Like the fact that it has these additional functions in it,
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it has additional sensors in it, it has like the alarm, like all of that stuff is what made me go
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this route in the first place and I wouldn't want to lose any of those, right? Like they are all
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things that I find useful and I'm happy that we have. Like for example, like I think to myself,
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if there was a fire, the canary would know because of a temperature spike, right? And like that is a
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that's just a good thing to have where these other systems don't have it, right? Like, it is what
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makes the Canary kind of a more well-rounded security system as opposed to just a camera.
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So, you know, really I want to see that product advance rather than me having to move to a
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different product because I'm unhappy with a rate of change. But anyway, should we move on?
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support of this show. So more follow-up? All the great follow-up. All the great follow-up. I think
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we've transitioned it into tiny topics. It's very confusing this week. PayPal is coming to iTunes.
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Remember PayPal?
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I know what PayPal is.
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You put this in the document.
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I don't understand this "remember PayPal" thing.
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You know, PayPal's a big deal.
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You use it every month to pay me.
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Yeah, we use it a lot at Relay.
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I really just mean that like, I don't know, I have a growing uneasiness about PayPal for
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some reason.
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So I just don't keep money in it.
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I use it as a conduit and that's it.
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But it's still a thing.
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now you can use it to pay for stuff in the Apple App Store and content universe. If you
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use PayPal a lot, that's nice. I was curious about this, I don't really know the answer,
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but maybe you do. If you can use PayPal, if you don't have a credit card in a certain
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around that.
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Well, that could be interesting. I hadn't thought that like
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Potentially. Yes
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I mean, you know the good thing about this that the reason that this is a big deal
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Is there are lots of people in different countries in the world?
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but like in everywhere that just for whatever reason can't get a credit card can't get a bank card or
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Whatever and PayPal can help a lot of that like there are different ways to get money into PayPal
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You know, you can do it by direct deposit in the UK. They could do it by direct debit
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sort of just take it straight from your bank account.
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You can transfer money into it in different ways.
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Like it is adding a level of flexibility.
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Honestly, when this news came out,
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I was like, oh, why don't they already do that?
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Like that seems like a thing that should already exist.
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But now it does.
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- Now it does.
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- So if this is the thing that you need,
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then great, PayPal is for you.
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And it's starting out in Canada or Mexico
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and rolling out to more countries
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as the year progresses, I think.
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- Yeah, so there you go.
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You put the next one in.
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What are you doing?
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- Yeah, so, all right, okay.
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Just bear with me a second, all right?
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I wanna talk about fidget spinners.
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Like, okay, look, don't, just hold on, all right?
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Please, just wait, like, just give me a second.
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Come on, I need to do this.
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The reason we're talking about fidget spinners now
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is because I guess they're going out of style, right?
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Which I think is, this is the way,
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this is how you do things on tech podcasts.
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You start to talk about something
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soon as it's on the decline, right? Because that's by the time that it's entered into
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the tech nerd's fear, the rest of the world has stopped caring. I think there have been
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many examples of this type of thing over the years. But here we are with the fidget spinners.
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Now I had seen this, didn't understand it. Like, I just don't get what it is. I just
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didn't, just had no idea.
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You're too old.
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Maybe that's what it is.
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Millennials are too old.
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Just wanted to be like why why is this like why are people so like why is this a phenomenon?
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So I thought so I opened up Amazon one day
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And I searched for fidget spinner and it was just a nightmare like just just nightmare results like just every
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conceivable thing
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From prices from like $2 to $70 like I just didn't get
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Where to go where to look I was like well
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I'm not gonna get one of these things if what I end up getting is just some piece of junk like it all of the
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Articles that you would search for like what is the best fidget spinner was just completely useless
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so I just gave up because I'm like I'm not gonna just
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Spend money on this thing that's gonna fall apart
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Like if I want to do this if I want to buy one of want to try it out
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I want to see what the fuss is about. I want to get one that I know is good
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so I get the idea of the experience a
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Couple of weeks ago the thing that I wanted to happen happened the wire cutter published the best fidget spinners article and
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I went ahead and bought what they considered to be the best basic spinner, which is the ZEC Pro
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Anti-anxiety 360 they all have these crazy names
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It was like $12 on Amazon. It was like 8 pounds for me. It was on Prime
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it came the next day and I have it and
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I opened it up. I span it and I was like, I don't understand like I just didn't get it
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I was like, what is this? This is nonsense
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Like this is just some pieces of plastic that I'm spinning and it's just moving like I didn't get it. It was just ridiculous
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Right. It's really the the snapchat of moving plastic is what you're saying
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You know what? I would say that and that was really good title bait. So that's all it was good work
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I know I know you've been sitting there and cutting that one. It was really good
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It was really good if we don't use it as a title
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Because it was funny then I just want to acknowledge at this point that it was a really good title
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I will say at this point I have I also have a fidget cube
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I backed the fidget cube on Kickstarter because like that is a thing that I would want because I do I fidget with stuff I
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Twiddle pens and I'm doing when I'm recording
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I like to keep my hands busy and that's the way that I do it the problem with the fidget cube
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It's basically all of it makes noise
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So I can't do anything with it when I'm recording because you'll be hearing these little
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Clicky sounds the whole time and it will drive me or whoever's editing the show wild
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So then I put my fidget spinner on my desk and I can spin it
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I'm spinning it right now and you can't hear anything because it's silent unless like you hit something with it
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All right, or if you I'm doing a lot foley work today, by the way
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This is really good stuff or if you're kind of spinning it in front of the microphone
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you might hear the wind and then it made sense to me because now I have this dumb little
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plastic toy that I can mindlessly play with and I have been for like a week. So I don't
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understand the idea necessarily of these things relieving stress. I think they relieve stress
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as much as any stress toy relieves stress which is actually not at all but they're just
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fun little desk toys to play with and I just wanted to give my personal endorsement to
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fidget spinners, especially if you're a podcaster, as a thing to keep your hands occupied while
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you're recording. I've only dropped it like one time and I was luckily in a show where
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I could edit it out and it was no problem. I just wanted to say thank you to the Wirecutter
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for helping me through this and now I have the best basic fidget spinner or spidget thinner
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depending on your tastes and I enjoy it a lot and if you've been listening to a show
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that I have recorded in the last seven days, including this one, you can feel safe in the
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knowledge that I have been spinning my fidget spinner for the entire time.
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Well, there you go.
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If the launch is powerful, applet tool in new maker tier.
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You're not interested, huh?
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You just want to breeze right past the whole fidget spinner thing?
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Yep, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna, we'll see if it's a razzie edit.
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If you take it out, then there's gonna be trouble.
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No one's going to hear your great line.
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You can't take it out.
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You made too good a joke.
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You can't take it out.
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An editor divided against himself cannot stand.
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We have long talked about IFTTT as a web automation tool,
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but I think there's been a lot of complaints
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that it is basically just two steps, right?
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You have a trigger and you have an action,
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and that's been basically it.
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But IFTTT has slowly been evolving
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where you can tie multiple things together,
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more like what Zapier does.
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Zapier does a whole lot of stuff.
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One of the things it can do is you can set off
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a whole chain of events with one trigger, right?
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So this thing happens, and I want all these other things
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to happen because of that.
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And IFTTT is slowly moving into that space,
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and so you have an example of this.
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It's kinda hard to talk about it in the abstract.
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You have an example of what you're doing now with IFTTT.
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Yeah, so they launched this Maker tier a couple of months ago, and it's just been something
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I've been having, like, been wanting to talk about, and we had some space in the show today,
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so I'll put it in. And, you know, you mentioned Zapier, and Zapier is great. It already lets
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you create, like, in one of the what they call Zaps, their little workflows, you can
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create actions that have multiple steps, right? So it can, like, one thing can trigger multiple
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things. And as you rightly put, like, the problem with IFTT is that it hasn't been.
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just been to like one thing happens, the other thing happens, job done. And the
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thing that was frustrating for me is like I've had some stuff that I've
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wanted to do with my home automation things that I haven't been able to do
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because Zapier just doesn't have the hooks for this stuff and any of the kind
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of people that are trying to bridge things I've not been too happy with the
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way it's all worked but I've known the IFTTT works really well because I've
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been using it to trigger my canary and stuff for a while.
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And so what I've created is there's something that I've wanted to do for such a long time
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and haven't found a real good way to do it, which is when we go to bed, we're like in
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the living room and we go to the bedroom, I've wanted to be able to say to my Echo to
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trigger bedtime and the lights would turn off in the living room, our Hue lights, and
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turn on in the bedroom.
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it does this now because I've created an IFTTT applet that I can it starts off
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with a Amazon echo trigger which is trigger bedtime and then it has two
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options you know the two hue options one is turn off the other is turn on and
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it's done and it's perfect like it's really great that you have to do some
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funky stuff for the to make the make it here you have to like sign up for it
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separately but with your IFTTT account I put a link in the show notes to max
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stories article that Ryan wrote kind of explaining how you do this. It's not a
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weird thing it's just like I don't know why they're doing it it feels like a
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kind of a separate product which really I think they should probably charge for
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but they're not. And I haven't done anything else of it yet but I know that
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I will eventually because the more and more of the home automation stuff that I
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get the more I want these things to talk together and the ability to have a
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trigger operate multiple things I think is a really useful and powerful part of
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this whole thing and this new IFTTT maker tier has done that for me so I've
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been really happy because it was one of the last big things that I wanted to
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solve within my home just because it is so much easier and so much nicer to just
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say the one thing and we do it and we love it and that's how we use it every
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single day when we're getting ready for bed to just say just call out to the
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echoes, they trigger bedtime and we're all good to go. It's nice. I wonder if you
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could have done that with scenes. You could have one scene with the living
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room on and the bedroom off and another scene the opposite and just trigger the
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scene change. Yes but it requires... yeah but it also requires certain parameters
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need to be set. Right so let's if if the lights are already on in the bedroom and
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we say trigger bedtime it just takes care of it where I might not necessarily
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know that the lights are in the bedroom but then if you're doing a scene change
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thing it can ruin stuff like that like it can things start to get a little bit
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confused I think hmm that's interesting I'm glad they're doing it and I agree
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with your point you sort of set it as an aside but I want to come back to it they
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should charge for this like I don't know why they're not I pay zappy or whatever
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it is 20 bucks a month because I have a lot of stuff feeding todoist through
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there and I'm happy to pay for it because it makes my life better but if
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like you you need a business model and this seems like something you know maybe
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it's hard to sign up for right now and that maybe it's some sort of beta I
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don't know if that's how they're describing it but maybe in the future if
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it's easier to deal with it could be paid but I agree with you like I think
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you'd probably pay for it and I think other people would too like it seems like
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an easy way to monetize a service that otherwise has been I think everything
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else they do is free right there's no way to give them money yep yeah I can't
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pay for Zapier because of the things that it can do and because I have Zapier
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Zaps that run every single day like that help create spreadsheets and stuff for
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me. That I'm very happy to pay for and I would be happy to pay for this
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because I would use this trick I use a trigger every single day like why would
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I not give like throw down five dollars a month right like I would be happy to
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do that. Mm-hmm Kyle put a link in the chat room apparently when you sign up
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for this you get a little public profile page. So I can see your bedtime lights.
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Yep, you can see my bedtime lights, Tucker, if you want. This is it. It's like the maker's
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thing. It's like, no, it doesn't, luckily, it doesn't interact with my specific house.
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Oh man, what a bummer. That would suck, wouldn't it?
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I'd pay for that. Well, I mean, I think a lot of people would pay for that, wouldn't
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they? If they just turned my bedroom lights on and off at any time that they wanted.
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The next item says you want to make a prediction.
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I want to make a prediction.
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So last night our intrepid designer, ForgottenTale on Twitter, tweeted about an image that's
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been going around of some iPhone faceplates, right, and it's their white.
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So this is a current iPhone faceplate in white and a purported iPhone 8 faceplate in white.
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And the tweet just says from him, "What would be the point of having a white faceplate with
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this design?"
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And if you look at the image, you'll see that this is following what you expect the iPhone
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to look like with these really thin bezels, right?
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So what's the point in having a white face if the bezel's so thin, right?
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That's kind of the conceit here, which makes sense.
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My prediction is that there will be no white version of the iPhone 8 because they wouldn't
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want to highlight there being any bezels at all.
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Right like this this phone will be marketed and sold upon the fact that the screen's so big
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So it make more sense in my mind to have
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Black bezels because then they won't be highlighted as much they kind of blend in with the screen in a more comfortable way
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I think the phone will still come in colors
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I don't know what colors they'll be but I my prediction is that all of the faces will be black for the next iPhone. I
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Will I'll get a more with that. I think looking at this picture
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This this thing is hideous and and I am biased that I don't like the white front glass anyways
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But with the cutout and everything it looks it does not look good. So yeah when there's so little it
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Doesn't make sense to stand out. Yeah, and then they just have different colors on the back. I'm a worth this prediction
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I think that the mix two of us
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Yeah, I do also wonder if this next iPhone will even come in gold or rose gold. I think it might just be like
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silver and a like a stainless steel
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There is a rumor about the next Echo from Amazon that it will be more like the upcoming HomePod. I
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think this rumor really kind of focuses on this speaker in the Echo is it's not great. It's not
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terrible, but it's not great. And especially I think in comparison with like a Sonos system
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or what Apple's promising the HomePod to be, the full-size Echo falls a little behind.
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And this rumor reported on by Engadget says that Amazon is going to take those on in a
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more direct way, that the next Echo will sound a lot better, maybe a little bit smaller,
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a little bit wider, but the key feature will be sound quality.
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I for one would welcome that change.
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What do you think?
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Yeah, I would be excited about that because I... basically the rumors overall for this
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product is I'm more interested in than I was the Echo Show. Like the Echo Show, everything
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that it does, or adds I should say, is stuff that I'm not really too interested in. It
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apparently has better sound quality but it also comes with a bunch of other things that
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don't want where just a straight up version 2 of the echo is more something
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I'm more interested in like I like my echo mostly how it is like I'm good with
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it but if they so they're gonna put put what it says from the the the engagement
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article they're gonna be packing in several tweeters apparently instead of
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just one also a woofer and it seems like that audio quality is what they're what
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they're gunning for and I sometimes will play music on it I connect it via
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Bluetooth to play podcasts if I'm washing dishes or whatever and don't have an iPad
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nearby because honestly those iPad speakers do a pretty fantastic job.
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But the other things that they suggest from the article are physical changes to the Echo
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and that it's going to change significantly in size. So instead of it being a big tall canister,
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it's going to be much smaller. It's described as if four Echo dots were stacked on top of each
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other which is a significant size difference. It's probably like a third maybe
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somewhere between a third and a half of the size which I find peculiar if
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they're gonna be putting more audio equipment in to make it smaller. I'm not really sure how
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they're doing that my only assumption is that maybe there's just a lot of wasted
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space in the current one which could be possible. They're also gonna be putting
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unspecified improvements to the microphone technology as well and that
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it's gonna be kind of a softer more round edges design with a cloth like
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covering so it sounds honestly sounds a lot a lot like a home pod it sounds like
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it would be fizz probably physically smaller than a home pod I think from
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everything that I've heard described like the home pod seems from everything
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that I've heard that it's small but it's kind of plump where maybe this wouldn't
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be. It would maybe be a little bit more of the size that we're used to but like half of it.
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This is an intriguing product to me. It's kind of what I'm looking for.
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Because as I said, the HomePod seems more focused on music and less on digital assistant,
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where I'm way more focused on digital assistant and less music. So like just everything that the
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rumors say, everything that the basic information would say, I would be more I think interested in
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an Echo 2 than a HomePod. Yeah, me too. And as a side, I put the iFixit
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teardown of the Amazon Echo in the show notes. It's suspect in there pretty well, but it
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looks like it could be more dense. I agree with you, my issue with the HomePod is going
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to be that I'm not an Apple Music subscriber, and I try it every nine months or so, and
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it's just not for me. We have a Spotify account we use with the Echo so we can just talk to
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and I think that we will probably continue that route and I like you want
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the assistant stuff. In fact on Prime Day the only thing I bought was another
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Echo Dot for somewhere else in the house. Like we've got three of them now and
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it's just kind of becoming our voice system in the house and you know if it
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sounds better then I'll replace the one in the kitchen because that we've used
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that to listen to music all the time and like I said it's not great but it's not
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bad it's not terrible it gets the job done but having something that would
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sound better would be welcome and so I like you and definitely interested in
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this rumor if it comes true I would replace the tall echo in our kitchen
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with this thing yeah I mean I was thinking about getting another dot on
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Prime Day but I was waiting to see if there would be an echo too because then
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I'll have an extra echo right like if I replace it like the one more that I
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would maybe want for our house I would have fit because if I would have to
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spare one, the old one. I mean this is a product that I am very interested in because it's
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moving more towards what I want out of these products. I'm really just not interested in
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putting a screen on it and a pure music product is not my bag. It's just not where I am with
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what I want from these things and I don't foresee, based on what we've seen already,
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I just don't foresee Apple being as open as Amazon has been with allowing people to develop
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to it and allowing the system to adapt.
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Because you know, even if that was the eventual plan, it's going to be a ways away because
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everything that they've shown so far is like, "Oh, it's going to be a basic version of Siri."
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It's not even the Siri that we're used to in its entirety.
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So I don't have high hopes for the HomePod to replace the Echo, but I don't think honestly
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that is its intended thing right now.
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I think at least from what the story Apple have told so far is that it's meant to be
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a music product.
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This could all change, right?
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By the time that it comes out, they could have done a million more things and it's going
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to be like, "Surprise!
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We tricked you!"
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It's got a micro projector in the top.
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I mean, and there's this…
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there's a projector. There is the possibility that it could that it still
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has the ability to do more than what we've seen but I'm not I'm not gonna
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hold out hope for that when I'm already happy enough with my echo family of
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products that I would get this right if it comes out like I'm not gonna hold off
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if the echo 2 comes out because the home pod might fulfill my dreams when I just
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I just don't think that it will. Yeah agreed totally agree so I think it's
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I think Amazon has to do this right they got
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Pinged by Apple of being a smart assistant, but that sounded like garbage like in that side-by-side thing
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The Sonos sounded good, but didn't have a voice assistant and both Sonos and Amazon
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I think I'm gonna move closer to the middle where Apple is but of course the echo
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Friend in a tube can do a lot more than Siri can so I really don't see a lot of movement for Sonos
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I'm just gonna say I
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As we have a lot of these types of things it's a lot more beneficial
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When you have a whole ecosystem of products that can take advantage of this
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This is the same for me as the photo stuff, right?
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Like photo sharing photo services are really expensive and difficult to run
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So the companies that can afford to do it reliably
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Accompanies that give you photos as part of an overall product
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And I think that this is going to be a similar thing that like creating a smart speaker or like just a good sounding home speaker
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when these companies start to move in on it, it becomes more and more difficult for a company
00:42:25
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like Sonos to keep it compared to DevEdge because they can't underwrite the cost of
00:42:28
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it against anything else. So I just don't... as soon as companies like Amazon, like Apple,
00:42:34
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like Google start to move in on a space like this, it becomes a lot more difficult for
00:42:38
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other companies to compete because these large technology giants have a lot to lose.
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The Echo voice assistant is showing up in more and more places.
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So there's a new phone, the HTC U11, that includes hands-free Amazon assistant.
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So before, you could just use it in an app like you can on iOS or Android, but on the
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U11 it's built in like Siri.
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It's actually built in parallel to the Google Assistant.
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Yep, and what's kind of interesting about this is this is a phone that has already been
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for sale and now it has this.
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nobody knew this was going to happen until now, which is very interesting.
00:43:19
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So it assists the Google Assistant wake word as well as the Amazon one.
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They can be enabled at the same time, so you can just shout at your phone either keyword
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and the correct thing will happen.
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There are limitations, of course.
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If the phone is locked, you have to unlock it before it can perform an action.
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I agree with you, but I can kind of see why it's that way, that the Google Assistant is
00:43:42
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built in to Android and this thing has been bolted on by HTC and maybe they
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can't they can't modify it. Well yeah but HTC make a skin right they make a
00:43:52
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version of Android that is going on these devices so it's not impossible I
00:43:59
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assume it's not impossible for them to do this it might be like I don't know
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what the security is like but that you know there could be a way it's basically
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the way that I feel about this is I don't understand how these types of
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things happen. Like if you have an idea like this and your idea is we're gonna
00:44:15
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put Amazon's assistant into our phones and it's gonna be an option and it's
00:44:20
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gonna go head-to-head with Google Assistant plus this one that HTC have
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which isn't they don't really promote very much because I don't think it's
00:44:26
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very good. You can call it from any point and you know we're gonna make a
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big thing about the fact that it's built in. You've like screwed up so badly
00:44:35
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in the effect that I could shout it out but it won't it can't do anything right
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like what's the point in having it be wake wordable if the wake word all it
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does is just like turn a screen on and then you have to unlock it you've got
00:44:50
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the phone in your hands like it's not useful I don't see why people would go
00:44:56
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to this over the Google Assistant when the Google Assistant can do whatever it
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needs to do. Like it seems like honestly, whilst I think this is interesting for a few
00:45:07
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different reasons, like this, the fact that it has this limitation kind of invalidates
00:45:13
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it from actually being useful in any meaningful way. And this isn't all. It also cannot perform
00:45:20
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any on-device actions like opening apps or sending messages. It cannot play any music
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from services other than Amazon. It has no ability to set alarms, reminders or timers
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or make the video or audio calls through Amazon service that they've been promoting.
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And like HTC man, alright like okay you got some headlines but like that's all this thing
00:45:45
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does for you. Like this is so interesting as a potential thing to occur for Amazon,
00:45:51
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right, that they could put their assistant, bake it in to other Android smartphones, right?
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Like what a great idea, but then when you get down to the nuts and bolts, I don't know
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why anyone would use this.
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Totally agree.
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Like you may as well at this point just use the app.
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There's no point having it have a wake word if you have to have the phone in your hand
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and unlocked every time.
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No, you are correct.
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So there is one thing that I don't know which is a potential here. I'm not sure if and how
00:46:24
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this is working, but I am aware of the fact that, and I think this is going to be official
00:46:29
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in the next version of Android, that your phone can be unlocked based upon proximity.
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So if you're connected to your home Wi-Fi network, your phone will be unlocked. Now,
00:46:39
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if that can work in conjunction with this, then it's useful again. If your phone is automatically
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unlocked because you're at home, then you can use it and it works. Now I cannot verify
00:46:50
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that that is the case because I don't have this device, but if that was the case then
00:46:53
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great. Otherwise if that doesn't work then this is done. You should buy one. No I don't
00:46:59
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want one. This is, as you asked me before we were recording today, this is the phone
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that you can squeeze. And basically what that means is it is not a squishy phone, but if
00:47:10
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you apply pressure to the sides of this phone, it can jump into like apps and launch shortcuts
00:47:18
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and things for you. It has pressure sensitivity built into the frame of the phone, which is
00:47:26
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weird, but it is interesting because you can map it to anything, right? Like it is a weird
00:47:35
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way to perform a shortcut action, but the fact that you can map it to do whatever you
00:47:39
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to open your favorite application or whatever is cool but that is strange
00:47:45
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I'm gonna include another MKBHD video into the show notes he did a review of
00:47:49
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this phone including kind of demoing the squeeze ability factor of the HTC u11
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it's really it's weird like it is weird but like I think at this point with
00:48:03
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where HTC is they kind of need whatever they can get to make them stand out
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Which I think is why they've done the Amazon thing because HTC and not the Titan that they once were
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So yeah, I think that that might be why they're doing this in the first place
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Yeah, who knows?
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Whilst we're talking about squeezy phones. Oh
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I'm not done. This is actually rumored to be in the next Google pixel as well
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I read this story and I was I was really surprised because it seems so gimmicky to me and so
00:48:35
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just waiting for accidents to happen.
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But Android Police posted a,
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what they say is a leak of the pixel,
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of the pickle, of the pickle XL.
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- Oh, Google Pickle.
00:48:48
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What? (laughs)
00:48:50
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- That sounds like a April Fool's joke waiting to happen.
00:48:53
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- Yeah, yeah, that's really good.
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- The phone looks great.
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It's, you know, small bezel,
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AMOLED display, squeezable frame.
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What can you do?
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Just squeezing all over the place.
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Oh dear, yeah, the edge-to-edge display is gonna be a big thing, right? Like this is the thing,
00:49:12
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this is the trend of the year, right?
00:49:15
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Which it adds to the pressure on Apple to have a phone that has it because everybody else is doing it.
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What I found interesting about the squeezable pickleness of this phone is that this phone is being made by LG.
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Now the previous pixel was made by HTC. So when I first heard that it was gonna be squeezable
00:49:34
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I'm like, yeah, of course because HTC did that but LG are doing it as well
00:49:38
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So maybe this is the thing that's happening now
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This is like a thing in the in the Android hardware device world that the phones are gonna be squeezable
00:49:49
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I guess it helps like if you want to have shortcuts and you don't want to put buttons on the phone make it squeezable
00:49:54
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The edge to edge display amoled six inches two point one a two to one aspect ratio
00:49:59
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How do you feel about a two to one aspect ratio? I feel like you would have an opinion about this
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I do have an opinion about this and I have spent a little time with a s8 not
00:50:09
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I don't own one but spend some time with one it is very strange
00:50:17
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Really different than you know what we've been used to I
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I have a feeling that it's coming to the iPhone.
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This seems to be where things are going.
00:50:26
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Maybe not quite 2 to 1, but closer to it.
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It is nice to have a phone that's narrower, but all in all I think I'm a little uncomfortable
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with it, but it may just be lack of, you know, 10 years of using it, right?
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That we've been basically the same ratio for a long time.
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Then Apple slowly changed it.
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But it feels more different in your hand than you think it would.
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feels futuristic in a way. I don't know. I don't really know how to put it into words,
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but it's more of a break from what I was used to than I thought it would be. I'll leave
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it at that. Bigger camera sensor. The glass panel at the back is smaller this time. Has
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a fingerprint sensor on the back, front facing speakers. This will probably be unveiled,
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Reckon either just before just after the iPhone
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I don't know when they'll ship. I think last time they invalid it before and shipped it way after
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Which I think is I think is a better move for Google to do it that way
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Right like announce it before the iPhone ship it after the iPhone. It's totally fine, right?
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Like just get the news in before the iPhone comes out. I think that that is a smart move for them
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shaping up to be a pretty interesting year for smartphones.
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So, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it.
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Alright, we're gonna do Hack It Helps this week. We have no teachy-teachers, so Stephen
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is gonna, Professor Hackett is gonna shed a little more light, a crash course you could
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say, on the features of Mac OS High Sierra, because I think it's getting a little bit
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lost in the shuffle everywhere, right? High Sierra is maybe not the most interesting Mac
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OS release, but Stephen's going to do his best to give us a little crash course and
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make sure that we're all thoroughly up to speed with the features coming in the next
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operating system for the Mac. So I just want to take our final break for today to thank
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every day, cooking a couple of times a week can be a really enjoyable experience and it kind of
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especially you know for those of us that work in digital things and computer things can be kind of
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Blue Apron a better way to cook. Over to you Professor Hackett.
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All right, so we're gonna talk about Hi, Sierra. Hi. Hi, Sierra. There are some links in the
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show notes to some developer pages on
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Apple's website so you can read a lot
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more about this stuff. I thought today I
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would talk about user features and then
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a little bit about under the hood stuff
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but there's a lot more under the hood
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stuff than we have time for today but
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it's there in the reading if you want to
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to do that so there's a lot of fair
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comparison of High Sierra to like a
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snow leopard type release you know one
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that is sort of light on features but more about improvements and I think that's totally
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But even in Snorlop or Apple had user facing features and it's the same here but they are
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Most of the things in these release notes are smaller, sort of nice to have and not
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necessarily big sweeping headline features.
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We'll start with Safari.
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Safari improvements will also come to Sierra and LCAP before it.
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The current version of Safari generally supports the last three OSs.
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So you're going to get things like speed improvements and battery life improvements.
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Apple is claiming that at least as of June this version of Safari is 80% faster than
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Chrome in some JavaScript tests.
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You're not going to see 80% improvement everywhere, but under very certain circumstances you may
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if a web app or website is using just this new type of JavaScript libraries that are
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But overall it should be faster.
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I think the one everyone knows about is it disables autoplay video.
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So if you go to a website, my local newspaper website does this now, where they just autoplay
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video on every story and that can be disabled on Safari.
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If you want video to play, you just click it and it will start.
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Bloomberg is the literal worst of this.
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This happens to me all the time.
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Every time we discuss a Bloomberg article in any show, I open the article to add it
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to the show notes and immediately blasted by some news video, like or an ad for the
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video that I didn't ask to be played in the first place.
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Yeah, it's super exciting.
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Apple is calling this next item "Intelligent."
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So they're tracking prevention.
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It's tracking prevention for cross-site ads.
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So if you visit Amazon and look at a water bottle, and then you're on Facebook, that
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water bottle shows up in an ad.
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They're not blocking those ads.
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They're making it more difficult for those sort of cross-site things to work.
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They're using machine intelligence to do this.
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That's sort of hand-wavy at this point.
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I don't really know how they're doing that.
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They're apparently looking at all these things and figuring out in real time what's going
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This, I think, is the most interesting thing in Safari.
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A lot of ads work this way.
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A lot of ad networks work this way.
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And yes, there's some bad players,
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but there are also people who are perfectly
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fine advertisers that do this.
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And so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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I think it's just only going to further hurt the web ad
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ecosystem, which is already in free fall, it seems like.
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Moving to Mail, everyone's favorite, most exciting app.
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Search will actually work.
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We talked about this on query, my new show with Serenity, that in iOS 11 you can actually
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search in mail and it actually works.
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For years I've kept the official Gmail app on my phone and if I need to search for something
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I'll go to that because the search is much better.
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What's it doing then?
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How is it better?
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They said that they are applying Spotlight search technology to mail, but they said that
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when mail got searched for the first time.
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So I don't know if it was a rewrite of that search engine
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or they're doing a better job indexing it.
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I'm not quite sure how they've actually done it.
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But if you search for something now,
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before it would usually find like, you know,
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all messages to Myke or all messages from Myke.
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But it sort of fell down on I'm looking
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for a particular phrase or sentence or subject
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that I know someone referenced at some point,
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but I don't know when it was.
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And Gmail is always really good at that,
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because Google is really good at search.
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And now that is available in the Mail client itself.
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They should have fixed this years ago.
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There's some full screen stuff in Mail.
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And they mentioned this in the talk show
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that Mail stored on disk will take up 35% less space.
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That's because of some APFS stuff.
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They can archive that stuff better.
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And it seems like they're just being more efficient.
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So if you upgrade to High Sierra and open Mail,
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After a little while, if you go to your mail folder in your user
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library, it will be smaller than what is in Sierra.
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And I've got Hi Sierra running now.
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I can compare them.
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It's definitely smaller.
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So that's nice if you're like me and sync all of your email
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to your computer, which I do.
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Any questions on Mail Safari?
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I know you don't really use either of these.
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Nope, I have zero desire for any of these-- well, features,
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because I don't use these applications.
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But it sounds really nice to people that do.
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Yeah, I use both.
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So I used Chrome for years and years.
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And when I bought my MacBook Pro last year,
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I gave Safari another shot because the battery life
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was so unpredictable on that laptop at first.
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And what I've sort of discovered is
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that Safari, for almost everything I do, is fine.
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It's lightweight.
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I still hate that the whole UI is centered at the top.
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Like, why is that the case?
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But there's still a couple apps I
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use that work better in Chrome, a couple websites,
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and some online banking stuff.
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But for just most of the time, Safari's perfectly fine.
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It's a lot better than I remember it last time
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I really checked it out two years ago.
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So if you haven't used Safari in a while
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and you're worried about battery life,
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maybe give it a shot.
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It seems like they're doing a good job with it these days.
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I think the biggest app that got sort of the most attention
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in High Sierra is Photos, which is good.
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Apple has been really hammering on Photos
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for a couple years now.
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There's a new framework for projects.
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And so if you're using Photos data in your app,
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a third-party Mac app, or you are interacting
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with that database somehow, that is a lot more robust now.
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You can do more with it.
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Built on top of that is some new printing services
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within Photos.
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So you can now print not just Apple's Photo Book,
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but Wix, White Wall, Shutterfly, and a couple others
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have built plugins into photos where you can
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print books and calendars and stuff through them.
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I do wonder if this means Apple's
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getting out of that business, I don't know.
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I have several Apple printed photos books
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I've done over the years.
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Have you ever done one, Myke?
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They're really nice.
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- Yep, I've done, I used to do cards as well.
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I think they still offer cards, right?
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I mean, not just from the cards app, which I had,
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but also from photos, I've done calendars,
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I've, yeah, for gifts and stuff, I've done a bunch.
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Like, we were thinking, you know, we would probably do,
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maybe do some with some wedding photos and stuff as well
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when the time comes.
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- 'Cause they're just really nice
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and like good for gifts and stuff, so.
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- Oh, totally, they're great for gifts.
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And it's just nice to have 'em, like we have 'em out,
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you know, and we can flip through 'em
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and look through like a family vacation,
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have some from our wedding, like it's a really nice way
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to kinda get those photos into the real world.
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But so you can do that with more services now.
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They've changed the sidebar some.
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It's persistent now before you could turn it on or off.
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And the app looked and worked differently
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if the sidebar was on or off, which is a little confusing.
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There's some new filtering options.
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So again, this idea of search and finding what you want
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is better in mail.
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It's also better in photos.
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They're doing faster and better face auto detection.
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So if I say this picture is Myke, this picture is Myke,
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this picture is Matt, it will take that data
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and apply it to more photos more quickly.
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Hopefully that means less of a battery impact
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as well, because that will really just shoot
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through your CPU.
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The naming and sorting of faces is synced across devices,
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which is a huge win.
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They are-- what's interesting about this, how this works,
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is you select, you go through and say,
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these eight pictures are Michael.
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What Photos then does is goes out into your library
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and finds more photos that it thinks are Michael,
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and adds that to the Michael collection
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without really asking you.
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And then if you stumble across it later and say,
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oh, that's wrong, then you can correct it.
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So what they're actually doing is
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they're just seeking that data that you put in manually.
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And on device, it's still churning
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through the whole library to see, OK, the user said
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these eight pictures were Myke.
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I think, based on what I know and my machine learning
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capability, these other 200 pictures are Myke.
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So it's, I think in practice, it's like they're syncing
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all of it, but it lets them sync a lot less data.
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And it's letting them use the powerful chips
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in the iPhone and iPad and the Macs to do that work
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on device, so it's sort of a hybrid approach.
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And as long as it works, I don't really care.
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I have not sorted through faces in photos
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because once I do it, I want it everywhere.
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And now with Hi Sierra and iOS 11,
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I will take the time to do it.
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So I can pick up my phone or my iPad and that stuff,
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I'll be there.
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That's maybe my favorite thing they've done in photos this year.
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I think a lot of people are really going to like it.
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And kind of rounding it out, new editing tools are laid out better,
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and you can edit with an external app, and the changes sync back to photos.
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You can have a photo, and you can right click and say,
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I want to edit this in Photoshop.
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You make your changes, you hit Command-S in Photoshop,
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and that change is reflected in the Photos app.
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iPhoto had something very similar years ago,
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and they've sort of resurrected it for photos.
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Aperture did the same thing.
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It's really nice so you're not dragging a photo
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to your desktop, editing it, dragging it back in,
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and it's just all kind of a very cohesive workflow,
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and one that I think a lot of people,
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including myself, will really like.
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So I do like to do edits in Photoshop,
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but then I'm sort of managing files manually,
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and this will make it a little bit easier.
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So photos, I think, is the,
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if you had to look at what got improved
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from a user perspective,
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I think photos is what most people will see the most often.
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Are you excited about photos? You're just sitting there quietly.
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Not really. Not really. I mean, look, these are great things,
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but I just don't think I'm going to do the face thing. Not now.
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I might eventually do it,
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but I'm not going to do it yet because I don't have a hundred percent confidence
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in the system to work.
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Because it's still not doing what I hoped it would do,
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which is just straight up say this photo has this person in it.
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they're not doing that still and I don't know yet if this system will work so I want to see what
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people say first plus I mean you know I am a Google Photos person and they do it for me so sure in a
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way that is the same on all my devices and I'm not convinced right that Apple's Photos app will get
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get it right 100% of the time.
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And that will-- I know that that's a potential source
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of frustration in that a photo that I know
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is here on one device might not be on the other.
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I don't like that.
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I'm hoping that-- I remember when they added this,
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was it last year, and you could search for objects.
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And I remember even across my devices,
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they weren't always exactly the same.
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So I totally understand what you're saying.
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Hopefully it gets better with time.
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With machine learning, that's the promise, right?
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That it does get better with time.
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But yeah, Google Photos is doing it server side,
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it's all on the web.
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They're a lot better at it.
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I think this is Apple catching up to Google a little bit.
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But I think your concerns are totally founded.
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I think a lot of people honestly probably feel that way.
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- Yeah, and just right now, this type of thing,
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it's just not that interesting to me.
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It just isn't.
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Like I liked all the photo stuff, but like faces, I'm cool.
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Like it's just not really a thing that excited me.
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I spent many years when Apple put it in iPhoto,
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I categorized every picture.
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- I was all over that, but yeah, I'm kind of fine.
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Like it's just not something
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that I'm super excited about doing.
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- The, I think it's just different people want to organize.
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- Oh yeah, like if this pushes your buttons,
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then pull in. - Yeah, then it's awesome.
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I use albums heavily, and I know tons of people
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who hate albums and just do everything chronological
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search like it's just different ways of doing things so I think it's good so
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we're gonna move the boring from the boring world of photos and the exciting
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world of the file system I know you're all excited I would I will say that I
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yield the Florida John Syracuse in every way he's not here so you have to do this
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we could dial him in a little history HFS+ is approximately 200,000 years old
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it was invented in a time where Macintosh users they put their data on
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on stone tablets with a chisel.
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And now we have SSDs, and we have fusion drives,
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and we have large volumes.
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And HFS+ and its stone tablet technology are simply outgunned.
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So APFS is SSD first.
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It includes trim support.
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I know when Mac started putting SSDs in,
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if you put a third party SSD in, people were running around,
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do I enable trim?
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Do I not enable trim?
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APFS takes care of all that for you.
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It has crash protection.
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It has snapshots.
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It has native encryption.
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So things like FileVault2 are sort of above the file system.
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All that's baked in now.
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And what's really interesting-- we've
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talked a little about this in terms of iOS 11--
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it has instant file duplication with no additional space taken.
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So if I copy a Final Cut project from Documents to Desktop,
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I don't lose another 30 gigs of disk space.
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I only start losing disk space once I start editing the copy.
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Well that's how drag and drop is working in iOS 11.
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If you take a photo from the photos app and you drag it into a note, it just duplicates
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that file so notes can see it and it's instant.
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You're not waiting for a large file copy situation in the background.
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So that instant duplication is really nice.
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That is exciting to me because I quite frequently will take a Logic project and copy it or put
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it in a different place or it might go somewhere else and sometimes they're like 3GB and it
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takes like minutes and I would love that if that was instant.
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So now it will be what's called copy on write.
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So once you start editing the second one then it will actually start taking up disk space
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So it's really nice.
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There's been a lot of questions I had at email the other day from somebody about what does
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this mean for Time Machine?
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Because you have this idea like well I could make Time Machine backups really fast now
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because of this file duplication.
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They are slowly moving into this.
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Time Machine will work with APFS sources.
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You should not go out.
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The system will not go out for you
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and want to convert your backup destination to APFS.
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That is still going to stay HFS+ for now.
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There's a lot of reasons for that.
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Hard links aren't supported in APFS the way they are HFS+.
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But the moral of the story is Time Machine backups
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will now work in two ways.
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If you're plugged into power and you're plugged into your time
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machine drive-- so for instance, my iMac-- backups
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are going to work the same way they always have.
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It's going to copy, change files, and keep up with it
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so it knows what's new and what's not.
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There's a second type of backup, though, called mobile backup.
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And if you use your notebook away from your time machine
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drive for an extended period of time,
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you will notice you start losing disk space,
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because Mac OS is basically doing time machine backups
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to the local drive, and then it copies all that at once
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through the external.
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It's sort of weird, but they do it
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so they have these sort of intermediate times backed up.
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Now they're just gonna use snapshots for that,
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so mobile backups will be much faster,
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they'll be much smaller in size.
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So if you travel for a month
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without your time machine drive,
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you could lose significant disk space now,
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that will be a much smaller impact,
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which I think is great.
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Mobile backups are big and they're slow,
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and on the spinning hard drive days,
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you would notice when it was going on
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you would like feel your machine grind to a halt.
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That will be in the past.
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If you're a notebook user, you should see probably
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a little bit better battery life.
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You'll probably see less disk activity,
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and you will lose less disk space as time goes on.
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So that's awesome.
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I would like to see them do more with this.
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I think that it may be coming in 10.14 or 10.15,
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but for 10.13 at least, they're slowly
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putting their toe in the water of reinventing time machine
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and making it better.
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Which is good, backups are good.
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You should have backups.
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I know you're excited about backups.
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I gotta have something here.
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Something, anything?
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Signs of life.
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- Yeah, okay, I'll use Time Machine
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and I would be happy to see some
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enhancements to Time Machine.
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- There you go. - Just because
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I really don't want it to go away.
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So, like, to see them doing stuff to it is good.
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Like, that's what makes me happy.
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Just because I love Time Machine
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because I don't even need to think about it.
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And you know, maybe for the entire time I've used Time Machine,
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it saved me like 10 times, but there are 10 times,
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it would have been really frustrating. Like I remember there was one time,
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this was maybe like three or four months ago,
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I did something to a logic edit. Like, I don't know what it was.
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I could, but I just could not undo what I did.
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Like logic would not undo it, but Time Machine fixed it.
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Like that was amazing. So it's great.
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There's some questions in the chat room about the conversion to APFS.
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So what was it iOS 10.3, 10.3 brought APFS to the iPhone and the iPad user restarted
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and you were on APFS magically.
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The Mac's a little bit different.
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During the install process, HiSierra will ask you at least at this point, I think it
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asks you and maybe automatic in the future, this could change, but it's during the install
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portion, it will change it over.
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You can change over disks also in Disk Utility after the fact.
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You can run High Sierra on HFS Plus, so if you don't want to do this conversion yet,
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you don't have to, but you don't get all the features.
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So the instant file duplication and the improved time machine backups, you won't have, because
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that's dependent on the file system below.
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Will you do it?
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I have actually been thinking about that.
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I will probably do it on my laptop.
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I may wait on my iMac for a little while.
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I said that I got full backups.
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The file duplication for the same reason you mentioned would be really nice when I edit.
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So I may end up doing it.
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But I need to do a little more time with the beta, I think.
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So yeah, so that's the that's kind of the lowdown on that.
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It is not quite as seamless as iOS, but I think they've made it as simple as they can.
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You know, I think, like iOS, I don't think anybody will have any trouble.
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Like I think it'll be pretty smooth.
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We didn't hear widespread problems with iOS.
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I don't expect it to be some sort of apocalypse when people start upgrading their Macs.
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So I will give you the choice.
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Do you want to talk about the video codecs or image codecs?
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Video codecs.
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So exciting.
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- It's exciting.
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- Next in your rundown.
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I have no desire to talk about one more than the other.
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- The video thing is more exciting.
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So H.264 is being replaced with H.265,
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high efficiency video coding, HEVC.
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Really a couple things I think you and I can both benefit
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from, we see you and I both do a little bit
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of video work now.
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It is much better for 4K, much more efficient in 4K.
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It will support 4K HDR if you shoot something
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can capture that. The file compression is 40% better so your files will be
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smaller which means they'll be faster to copy, easier to work with, faster to skim
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around in Final Cut Pro. It's all good stuff. The software encoding is coming to
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High Sierra but if you are running a late 2015 iMac like I am, early
01:15:03
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2016 MacBook or 2016 MacBook Pro, so both my machines are on this list, it can do
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it with hardware acceleration which means it will be much faster to encode
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and decode the stuff. It's being added to Final Cut Motion and a compressor so
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Apple's whole sort of video pipeline will be supported with this
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hardware acceleration if you have a new machine. That's cool.
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Thumbs up for buying Newmax. I think the big thing here will be if you're a
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video editor you'll see obvious improvements. If you're just a regular
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consumer then maybe not as much. You can download H.265 stuff now from the web
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and it plays okay on 1012 machines. Maybe it's a little stuttery on low-end
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machines but that should be better if you have one of these computers or after
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even after High Sierra it should be better. So this comes in conjunction with
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the new image codec. It's the same as iOS. It's smaller, faster, lighter. Heaf is its
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name, better support for live photos which is fun, and you can export it as a
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JPEG so if you need something you know need to work within an application or
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share it something that doesn't understand Hefia then you can do you can
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do that. It means that I think once we're on this world for a while our photo
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libraries won't take up quite as much space as they have now because new
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images moving forward will be in this new this new better compressed format.
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I don't think that photos is going to re-compress all of your images but I'm
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not quite sure about that so if someone knows I would like to know and testing
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even it's sort of unclear but it's a new image a new video codecs and then there's
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graphic stuff we talked a lot about this at iOS new metal 2 we were using metal 2
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for like Windows Server stuff so Mission Control now which even on like you know
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this really nice iMac Mission Control can be stuttery. It's stuttery on my Mac
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like I'm playing with it right now and it's like it is not very responsive like
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I compare this to iOS like even on the iOS 11 beta it's nicer there. So in High
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Sierra they're gonna use Metal for that like put our fancy gaming graphic engine
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behind mission control and it will finally be smooth.
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And it is smooth.
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In my MacBook Pro, it's really nice.
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So they're doing that.
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They're using Metal 2 course for machine learning.
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The external GPU support is coming.
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They have a Thunderbolt 3 Mac.
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Right now, you can buy a developer kit,
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assuming that will be a consumer thing they've said later
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this year or early next year.
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So you can buy an external GPU, plug it
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into your Thunderbolt 3 Mac.
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So new MacBook Pro or the new iMacs.
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and have a big beefy video card for processing and gaming and that sort of thing.
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And then of course the pro content creation, Metal for VR, SteamVR, Unity and Unreal Engine
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for VR all coming to the Mac all built on top of this stuff in High Sierra.
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This stuff will benefit gamers to a degree, but what I think Apple's big move here is
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they want the Mac to continue to be a machine that people can develop content on.
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And they've been losing that race big time to Windows machines because they just can't
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do the computation fast enough and they don't have the support for it.
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But now hopefully Macs can go back into their place in these content creation pipelines.
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Not only for people like me and you, but for people creating games and VR content.
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So I think that'll do well.
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I think people will like that.
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Because I think a lot of these studios use Macs for a lot of stuff, and then it goes
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to create VR stuff, they've got to switch to Windows or something else, and maybe this
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will help kind of realign that pipeline. So not a consumer feature, but definitely a feature,
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and one I think that, you know, if you're in that line of work, I think it would be
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exciting to you.
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I mean, this is the thing, like, people get sensitive, it has to be consumer feature as
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well. Like, if you're developing VR on a system, you have to be able to test what you're developing.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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So that means it has to run the games.
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Yeah, and they're bringing those engines and Steam VR and everything to it.
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So I think it'll be good.
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I think that you've talked a lot about wanting a VR machine and not necessarily wanting to
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run Windows.
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It seems like your time may be coming.
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Myke, hi, Sierra, maybe bringing it to you.
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I think I'll need a new Mac as well, though, honestly.
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This machine just isn't spec'd well enough.
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And I have the top of the line previous iMac.
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The late 2015?
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Yeah, your and my machines are almost identical.
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And yeah, I think that you would be...
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This isn't enough.
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Yeah, you would need something new.
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But that's fine.
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I mean, that's fine.
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I am more likely at this point right now to buy a Windows PC than I am a new Mac for VR.
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Just because of where everything is.
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But I keep looking at it, man.
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Keep looking at Windows machines.
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It's just getting closer and closer to doing it.
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But I actually want to try and stay away from it as long as possible.
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Yeah, I understand that.
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It's not cheap.
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It's not cheap.
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Thank you for teaching us, Professor Hackett, about High Sierra.
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We will get back to iOS 11 next week, I'm sure.
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But High Sierra is not, like I said, it's not the most exciting release.
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It's not one that I think a lot of people are super enthusiastic about from a feature
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perspective.
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But I think if you care about the Mac, and especially if you create on the Mac, there's
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a lot of stuff in here that was going to make those workflows better.
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The video codec stuff alone, I'm shooting in 4K now for my YouTube channel.
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My last video was in 4K.
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The one I'm working on now, I will release in 4K.
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It is a dog right now.
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I've got, you know, late 2015 iMac that is basically loaded except to have the i5 instead
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of the i7, but I have the big GPU in it.
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And it just hammers it.
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And I am looking forward to the software stuff coming along making the 4K stuff better, but
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then the iMac Pro and the Mac Pro coming online as well later this year and next year.
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I think content creation on the Mac is getting ready to get serious again.
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And that's the Mac's bread and butter, man.
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That's where the Mac has always thrived, is people making stuff.
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I think that they are getting serious about that again.
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That for me as a Mac fan is exciting.
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I think if you're a Mac user, it should be exciting to you as well.
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It's why they're still here.
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It's why they were saved.
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Because people were still using the stuff to make stuff.
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I mean, print publishing was the Mac's holdout in the 90s.
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you're still awake we could talk about that. I don't want to talk about it today.
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Okay. We're all good for today. Plus, you know, we all know the story. Yes. You can
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find our show notes this week at relay.fm/connected/151. If you want to
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follow us online, there's a few places that you can do that. You can go over to
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phytopixels.net for Steven's work. He's @ismh on Twitter. Our tortoise handling
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friend, FedorikovaTichi is @Vitichi, V I T I C C I, and he's at MacStories.net, and I am
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@imike, I M Y K E on Twitter. Thanks again to our sponsors this week, TextExpander, Blue Apron,
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and Ting, and we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye. Steven Hackett.