154: Beta on the Beach
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From VLA FM, this is Connected, episode 154.
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Today's show is brought to you by FreshBooks, Balance, and Encapsula.
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My name is Myke Hurley, and I am joined by Mr. Steven Hackett.
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Hello, Steven Hackett.
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Hello, Michael Hurley.
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Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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Ciao Federico.
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Ciao Myke, how are you?
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I'm on edge because this is probably the most ambitious, from a recording perspective, we
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have ever tried with this show.
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So you want an iPad?
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I'm using an iPhone and Federico's using an iPod.
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No, this is not true.
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So Stephen, you are at home in your office.
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There is no change on your side.
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I am in New York in a hotel room with a bunch of equipment that I've only used once.
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Federico is at the beach tethering. Yeah, whilst also using High Sierra on a Mac
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So we are like really just throwing
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This so strange because he was using beta software
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Uh-huh to record this part. Are you not?
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Not using beta software. No, I I don't believe you. I'm on Sierra
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I wish that I wasn't even on Sierra, but this is the situation that I'm in for reasons
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We'll get into a little later on the show that I don't want to talk about right fine
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Alright. But no, I've run, I always try and stay behind on the Mac. So, you know, if you
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just don't touch things, then it will continue to work.
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Well, I mean, you stay behind on the Mac anyway, so.
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Yeah, exactly, because I mean, old platforms, am I right? Inherently behind on my, anyway,
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so I just… This is already off to a great start.
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Excellent start. So I'm in New York City right now.
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Is it a great start? It's brilliant. It's perfect. So I'm
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in New York right now, and I've had two observations that I wanted to share with you
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you both about using technology in New York City.
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Number one is that GPS is basically unusable. My phone never knows where I am when I'm walking
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around. So like trying to find somewhere on Broadway or whatever, Times Square, it's impossible.
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It can never seem to really find where I am. It never knows what location I'm going in.
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So like I'm having to basically just ignore the GPS now and I'm just looking at street
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signs and just map reading. And I found that really interesting because I don't have this
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problem in London. It must just be something about the amount of tall
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buildings because the density of tall buildings is higher here than in
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central London. But I just found that really interesting. The other which is
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more frustrating is that my AirPods are really unreliable when walking around
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the streets. Like they keep breaking up and like stuttering. So like I...
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Does that happen in London?
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No. I've had it happen to me a couple of times but like taking them out and
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putting them back in it's fine but like I'm walking around here and it's just
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kind of cutting out and weirdly it seems to be like if like that seems to
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sometimes cut like based on my movement so like as I'm walking it like cuts for
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every step sometimes or like if I move my head one of the air pods cuts out so
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like I'm wondering if there's some kind of Bluetooth thing where like so many
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devices and sending it a little bit crazy, and it doesn't seem to make a difference
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whether I have the case with me or not.
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And I just wondered if this is a normal thing.
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I feel like it can't be because I would have heard this more, but it's been almost
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unusable today.
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It's not just been a little bit, it's like a constant thing.
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It's probably the government, first of all.
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Gosh darn it.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Some people in the chat room are saying that they see this sometimes in densely populated
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areas so it definitely could be a thing I'm really curious if you have this
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issue please let us know yeah I would like to know I would really like to like
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if this is the thing that happens to people especially in big cities like New
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York but it hasn't happened to me in London but it's it's been really bad
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when walking around
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hmm that's weird I I sometimes have problems with mine dropping out if I
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change direction too quickly so like if I'm on a bike I'll wear just one of them
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sometimes and if I turn my head real quickly sometimes there'll be a little stutter or
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if I'm at the gym and I do something where I end up like, I don't know, like doing back
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extensions or something where like my head is upright and then it's not anymore like
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if I'm leaning way far over or something sometimes I'll get a drop like it's just weird little
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things from time to time but I have not had anything like that and but I've also never
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been in that densely populated area with AirPods.
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I mean, I work in my backyard.
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Not a lot of people out here.
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It's very quiet.
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So yeah, the air pods are weird.
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But I do love them still, but weird.
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Should we do some more traditional follow up?
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And this show is going to really, I think,
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bend our definition of follow up.
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Because scrolling through this, a lot of the topics,
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almost all of the topics, are part follow up.
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So it's going to be hard to draw a line here.
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But we're going to get into this.
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This is a very special episode today.
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It is something.
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So last week we spoke about the Apple Watch as sort of a spiritual successor to the iPod
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and we were going on and on about how great it would be if Apple Music could do something
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with the watch.
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And turns out WatchOS 4 does some stuff with Apple Music.
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We had a bunch of tweets and emails about this because none of us are running this right
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So we weren't really aware of it, but it basically seems like the music app on iOS and it can
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send the songs you love the most.
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I guess if you listen to them or if you heart them in Apple Music, it will sync some of
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those to the watch.
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I don't really understand like the parameters that you have to cross into to have music
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sync, but the idea is that you have some up-to-date music on your watch at all times.
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Yeah, it seems like it's sending the, like a combination of your personal mixes.
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So like my new music mix and my favorites mix and the new recently launched my chill
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And it's also sending the, I think it's called the heavy rotation playlist, which is basically
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like the songs you love and the ones you listen to the most in any given time period.
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And I saw today that on beta five of iOS 11, which we'll talk about in a minute, there's
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a new dialogue when you open the music app and if you have an Apple Watch paired with
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your device, you will get this screen that tells you there's going to be music automatically
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sent to your watch so you can listen offline without having to, you know, it's automatically
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downloaded on your watch and you can select with a few toggles the playlists that you
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want to keep on your Apple Watch, which is quite handy because as soon as you start the
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app you can say well yes I automatically have this music for me so I don't have
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to think about it anymore so that's getting closer to what I envisioned last
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week about you know sort of like having an extension that you can say send this
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to my watch it's good to see that there's an automatic option that takes
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care of that for users in you know especially for the playlist that a lot
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of people listen to. I think that's a great idea.
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Yeah, man, me too. So there's also some talk like today, or I guess yesterday with Beta
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5, that the now playing complication has been removed from watchOS 4, which is a bummer
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if that is true. I've got to think that's temporary, right? Like, that seems like an
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important complication to have.
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That feels like a bug. Why would you remove now? I mean, maybe because you, I could see
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Apple maybe saying you can access now playing from the dock but that doesn't make any sense
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because you know the Apple watch is all about customization and having multiple options
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so why would you remove the complication? I don't know. So I haven't installed Watch
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OS 4 yet but I plan to especially because I want to try this automatic music stuff and
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also the Siri watch face. My only problem that I tried you know I tried yesterday is
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downloading betas while on vacation using personal hotspot. So if you...
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there's two ways to download a beta. You can download the actual file that you
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restore with iTunes or you can do the OTA installation. When you do the OTA
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installation with the profile, so you do directly on iOS, you cannot download and
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install over 4G. And this is one of my bigger complaints about going on
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vacation without having Wi-Fi at home, just using the iPhone and iPad with their 4G connections.
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Even if I have like 20 gigabytes of like my monthly plan with on my iPad is 20 gigabytes
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and I have another 15 on my iPhone, so I have plenty of data, I cannot choose like let me
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download the firmware file and install it or let me download a game even if it's one
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gigabyte. Like this is something that I understand that I want to do because I
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have enough, you know, capacity in my data plan. But iOS doesn't let you.
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And there are so many things that iOS still doesn't let you do, whether it's by,
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you know, whether it's something that Apple decided, or limitations of
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third parties like streaming HD YouTube videos. I like those limitations feel
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like something that, like solutions to a problem that was kind of mainstream
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years ago, but now I don't think, especially in Europe, I don't think it's too uncommon to have these crazy data plans
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that are relatively cheap and
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you can stream a lot of video, you can download a lot of games on 4G. Often
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it's even better than the Wi-Fi I have at home,
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but I cannot use it because Apple or others decided that I cannot use it and that kind of, that really annoys me because
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I had to basically create a personal hotspot on my iPhone and then install the firmware on my iPad because personal hotspot kind of
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Makes the iPad believe that it's on Wi-Fi
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That doesn't make any sense, but it's the only workaround that I can think of
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Yeah, I feel like this is something that
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I don't think you should
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Apple should just change the setting for like in general like to be like oh use whatever you want
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But it would be maybe a thing you could have in like the carrier section just like a toggle of like data usage limits or something
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You know, so you could just be like just let me do it. Just let me use this as if it's
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Wi-Fi because I mean if you
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Took the data plan from your iPad
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Turned the iPad into a personal hotspot. You could then download that wherever you want on the phone
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Right, and it's just taking it from the iPad data plan
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So like if you can do that, then it's the same thing, just in a weird reverse kind of
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order. So just let me make the decision. You know what, it's weird, right? Because you
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can trick it by using two devices. So why can't I just do it? And I get the idea of
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not having this kind of thing on by default, because there would be people that would just
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destroy their data plans and get huge charges. But a toggle would be really good, and it's
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it's something you could just hide in the carrier settings or something like that.
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Yeah, it's like it's like speed limit like my car has a speed limit button that you press
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and once it's engaged the car doesn't go over 130 kilometers on the highway even if you
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keep pushing on the gas but I can disable the speed limit and either I get a ticket
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you know I get fined because I go over.
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Not that I would but or like if if I'm on an empty road and I know what I'm doing you
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know, it's my choice and you know, I feel like with this cellular stuff, I'm not saying
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that we should go over the speed limit by the way, it's just...
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You're walking into some real tricky...
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No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying...
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You take your car to Germany and you go on the Autobahn, that's what you're talking about,
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Oh yeah, it's easy to get that confused.
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Yeah and I mean, it's one of those like design choices from the manufacturer that they believe
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that's the best option for you but they don't necessarily know the context that
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you're in. So in my case I have a lot of gigabytes and I cannot use them because
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for some reason Apple thinks that it's the best option for everyone to not use
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those, you know, to not go over a hundred megabytes on the App Store and to not
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download betas. And I understand that argument, it makes sense for most
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people but it's also true that a lot of people do have the data to
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do those things and we are forced to use this workarounds and so this is all
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basically a parenthesis to say that I want to download watchOS 4 beta
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yesterday but I couldn't because after I downloaded my iPad beta at the
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beach I had to go because it took a while and I didn't have time and it's
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very sad because I wanted to try watchOS 4. You sound like unnecessarily
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sad about it. You sound like really down about this.
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I'm very down about it because I wanted to, you know, to try the beta, to try all the
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new... I know, Myke, that you love when people say to try the new beta bits. And I wanted
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to try the beta bits. I'm sure you did. You want all those good
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bits. All those bits, Myke.
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Put the bits on your watch. Talking about the watch, there are lots of
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rumours, well, thanks to the treasure trove of information that was the HomePod firmware,
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Which is probably going to be, you guys mentioned it last week, like, favourite story of the
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year contender, right, like when we do our wrap up.
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Because this thing is just so wonderful, like the amount of stories and information that
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have come out.
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So because now, when there are more rumours of something, so like there was a big Bloomberg
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article about there's going to be another Apple Watch this year, people start digging
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into the HomePod firmware again looking for stuff and there's more kind of traces to confirm
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that it looks like that there will be a LTE enabled Apple Watch at some point this year,
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probably around September.
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I'm all for it. I really am. I mean, we've talked a lot about this. We talked about it
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last week. I feel like I talk about it every time I talk about the Watch. This seems like
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an obvious next step and one that I'm excited about.
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Yeah. I mean, we were talking about this with Silvio just a few days ago. We were into the
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problem where now we have to go out with the dogs in the morning so they can do their things
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and often we're in a rush so they don't do their things inside the house and usually
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in the morning our iPhones are still charging often because I fall asleep listening to music
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so my iPhone didn't charge at all so as soon as I wake up I attach it to the charger and
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I was walking out the door and I didn't get my iPhone I was like you know it would be
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great if the Apple Watch had a SIM card and so even if my mom calls me or whatever I still
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get those messages and I can still do something on my watch. It's kind of like having a mini
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iPhone without having to get to take my iPhone with me and I know that it sounds crazy to
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you know why wouldn't you take your iPhone with you because you know everybody has a
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smartphone as a smartphone all the time but I feel like these brief moments of the day
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whether you're working out or you're going for a walk with the dog, you know, it's going
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to be great to have just a little computer on your wrist and you can forget about the
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smartphone and just have that useful connection to the outside world on your wrist.
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That's going to be awesome I think.
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It does raise a lot of questions about how it would work, how it would…
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I mean I assume this thing is not going to be like a full-fledged iPhone where it's
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on the cellular network all the time. My thought is that if it's companion iPhone
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goes away then it either like gives you a little bump that says hey do you want to
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turn LTE on or maybe it does it automatically. You know kind of like the
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the GPS on the watch is only on when you are using a workout that utilizes GPS
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it's not on all the time to to save that battery. I think the LTE is going to kind
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of be on demand as opposed to something like the phone or maybe even a cellular
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iPad where it's just it's kind of on all the time and iOS can use the data for
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whatever it wants. I think to manage that battery life they're gonna have to put
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some constraints on it. I think it's fine I think I think they can totally do that
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because you know most of the time my phone is gonna be with my watch right I
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don't hardly ever go anywhere without it but if I want to go for a run or a bike
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ride or workout and leave my phone somewhere else then it you know it
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should do the right thing kind of be able to stay in on its own in those
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All right, should I take a break?
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Let's do it.
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So we have, oh my God, the HomePod stuff again.
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I wonder if this, do you think we're going to keep finding out more or do you think we've
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probably got everything we can get out of this?
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I don't know. I mean, I feel like just now on Twitter, as we started recording the show,
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someone found something about the phone knows or can tell if you're looking at it and would
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mute notification sounds if it senses that you're aware of the phone. I don't know. It
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seems like there's all sorts of stuff in here.
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But there's another one. There's more hints of an Apple TV refresh as well. It is weird
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to me. Like, why is every single product mentioned in this thing? It's very confusing to me.
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It's like a parade of leaks.
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Yeah, it's just one file in everything.
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Let's just put everything in there.
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I don't know, one idea could be that because all of these devices can now talk to each
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other with stuff like continuity and automatic setup, you know when you tap to set up a nearby
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device, the reason to include these flags and these sort of headers for different devices
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is to make sure that the HomePod is aware of other similar devices in the ecosystem.
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So like if you want to, for example, I don't know, but maybe stream a video or a song from
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the Apple TV to the HomePod, maybe you can.
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Or like if, and of course, if you want to stream a podcast from the iPhone Pro to the
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HomePod and to the new Apple TV, it's just to make sure that all of these new devices
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are aware of each other.
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And that's my interpretation for why all of these product names and placeholders are in
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It's kind of weird though.
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Imagine how many things that we don't know are actually in the betas that we try every
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And this time we got lucky.
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So it's kind of a fascinating glimpse into how the machine works.
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It's like someone was using Xcode as a note editor.
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Like, "Oh, all this stuff I'm working on, I'll label it top secret so no one sees it."
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This rumor though it so there's reference in the the source code to a 4k Apple TV that
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seemed like it would be capable of HDR output.
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So if you have a 4k HDR TV, this thing would look awesome.
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If you're like me and have a 1089 HDR TV, then you get to skip an upgrade cycle.
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But this does match with reports from a couple of weeks ago, there was a mac rumor story.
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noticed like 4k HDR in their iTunes purchase history like a little flag had
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been set wrong and you know if you you still can which blows my mind you can
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buy SD content in iTunes and it'll say like SD or HD seems like 4k HDR was a
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label in there and there was a talk then this was last month that Apple could be
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getting iTunes and like the movie rentals business ready for 4k / 4k HDR
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content and obviously they're not going to do that unless they have an Apple TV
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to play it on so I think if this is true all this will come at once we'll see the
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4k HDR Apple TV and we'll see 4k HDR content available in iTunes I'm sure to
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be very limited at first just like it was when they rolled out HD video it
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took some time for everything to sort of get updated and some stuff didn't but
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it's time for this 4k televisions are here to stay and it seems like Apple may
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finally be kind of getting all the pieces together which is which is great
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I mean the future of television may not be apps like Apple said it was going to
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be but 4k and HDR are definitely here to stay and they need to address that you
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know if you have a 1080 if a regular Apple TV now into a 4k TV looks okay
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most TVs kind of sample that stuff and scale it up and where it looks alright
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but having this in 4k really would would be nice. Steve John Smith on Twitter I
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think today was talking about you know developers of Apple TV apps apparently
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people develop still develop out with us. I know it's really
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confusing that you know you need to get like 2x assets ready and so this is will
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be very much like the retina transition on iOS where you have your regular sort
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of 1x graphics which are you know for the 1080 and then you'll have 2x for 4k and uh
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so yeah it seems like that that is uh where this is headed and i think it's um i think
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it's great and mike i had a question for you you bought a tv this this year did you buy
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4k television yeah 4k hdr enabled tv okay so does this excite you as someone who like
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your tv can take advantage of all this like is this something you would get oh without
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a shadow of a doubt, because my TV has a bunch of apps built into it, like Netflix and Amazon
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and stuff, and those applications, they show HD content, like, sorry, 4K HDR content, and
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it's unbelievable. Like, we watched House of Cards in 4K, and it just looks fantastic.
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I mean, House of Cards isn't the best for this because everything's just dark, right?
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Right, right. In more way than one. Exactly. But there's, you know, we've seen some nature
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shows that the BBC iPlayer app has this like HDR demo thing which I was just
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screaming the whole time I was watching it because it looks so good. So I like it
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I like that content a lot and you know I'm fine using the TV apps but like the
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Apple TV apps are better than the apps that I use on my TV right? I would love
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to be able to watch YouTube videos in 4k and all that sort of stuff so this would
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be a purchase that I would make I would upgrade mine. Okay. Plus I do I
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I mean, look, I want to keep beating around this,
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but I will keep saying it.
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I have the bandwidth for it.
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It's no problem.
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I have amazing internet.
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I don't know if you knew that.
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Oh, I was unaware of what I mentioned today.
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I've seen it.
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When Federico came to my house, I showed him speed tests.
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Should have downloaded your beta then.
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He was bragging to me.
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He was like, oh, you're not even in the best spot in the house.
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You should go near the Wi-Fi.
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you can get even faster speeds. It's like it's fine man this is plenty fast.
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Steven I'm gonna quiz you here all right we're gonna do a little Apple history
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quiz because I need you to give me a name of something. Do you remember when the
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iTunes store all the music was increased in bitrate? Mm-hmm. There was a program
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that Apple did where it allowed you to pay a little bit of money right and you
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could increase the quality of all your songs? Yes. Do you remember what that was called?
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Was it like mastered for iTunes? No, that's something different. That's when an album
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is like specifically been mastered for digital. Yeah, it wasn't complete my album. That's
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like if I own two songs. And you want to just buy the rest of them. It's called iTunes Plus.
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iTunes Plus, good work. I found the K-Bass article. Of course you did. So I'm hoping
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that they will have something like this for iTunes purchase content right so
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that you don't have to buy everything again you can just pay a little bit of
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money for all the movies that you own and now they're in 4k I hope they do
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that that would be good it'd be nice iTunes that would be iTunes plus good
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what I had to reach deep for that mic but it was in there it was in there so
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let's let's change gears a little bit two weeks ago yeah I'm leaving now alright
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so you two got this without me? No, no, you're not leaving. I was waiting for this. I was
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looking at the documents like, yes. The housekeeping is here. I have to go. That's not true. No,
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there's no housekeeping. Just bring them on the podcast. Two weeks ago, you were getting
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ready to travel, like we talked about, you're traveling this month, and you bought a 12-inch
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MacBook, single little USB-C port. A while ago. I didn't buy that two weeks ago. We need
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need to just clarify that it made it sound like I just bought that thing I
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thought if you bought that months ago two weeks ago in preparation of your
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travel I confronted you about this laptop saying that basically you bought
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the wrong computer and you if I remember correctly you agreed with me 100% you
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were very thankful for my loving advice listeners you can check the tape that's
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definitely what happened now I agreed with your point I just did was a pause
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From the heavens right? That was it. Hmm. Yeah
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So what computers in front of you right now?
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Marco Ammann smack book escape
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So what happens after the show is the slack conversation begins, but that was started by Marco
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I believe and I'm I'm almost confident that you two were talking about this beforehand
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because what happened was like - I think two days probably two days of
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From these two to me telling me why I was making such bad decisions and how easy it would be
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For me to get everything over
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So Marco because Marco I think has bought 17 laptops and the loss. Yeah
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he had a stack lying around and
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One of them is a 13 inch MacBook Pro and it's it's pretty decked out. It's not the current one, right?
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It's the one before it's the first the first lot 2016. Yeah, so I have a
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2.4 gigahertz Intel core i7 16 gigabytes of RAM and
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like 500 gigabytes storage and
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Yeah, I'm gonna say you were right you were right because if there ought to be a hashtag
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It would be Steven is really mean hashtags. That's really Wow
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Best hashtags great, right? I
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Really backfired on me 100% agree with this because all right
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So I'll say just because one of the big things to me was the weight thing, right?
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I have not put this in my backpack yet
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I put it I picked it up and I because I haven't got on a plane since this I've just been like
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Traveling on trains and stuff. So I just threw it in my suitcase in the box, right?
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So it's just in there my suitcase was already mega heavy
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Anyway, because it's packed full of a month's worth of stuff and equipment including microphone stands which are effectively just weights
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That's all they are. Yeah, my suitcase is already really heavy. I haven't put in my backpack. It will be in my back when I fly
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but I'm willing to accept the weight because
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After the first show I recorded and edited I was like, you know
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This was the right choice because this thing honestly it feels a lot like speed wise and capability wise just like my iMac
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Right, like I feel like I'm able to just process stuff really quickly good and I'm not waiting for things and I know I would
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Have been with the MacBook and I'm just gonna say as well, right?
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I have it plugged in right now and I have my USB recorder.
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I've taken a trip to Donkleton.
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There's a little dongle sitting here, but I have two ports.
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And they're both plugged right in,
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rather than having to use this little adapter thing.
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This was the right choice.
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I didn't want to buy a new computer for the price that it was,
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and Marco gave me a good deal, so here I am with a computer.
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I feel like it has really good lineage now, you know?
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This is a good vintage machine.
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I do feel like I should clarify the timeline a little bit. So Marc and I did not speak
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about this before I talked to you on the show, nor did we speak before he started our Slack
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conversation. However, this was the exact laptop that was in the back of my mind because
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I knew that he had one that he wasn't using and that I figured would be for sale.
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I got to say, I got to say, this sounds like an organized effort.
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It sounds like a hit, right?
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It sounds like someone saying "I'm not a liar" and they're in fact lying.
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No, I'm not.
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No, I just know Myke very well and I like to think I know Marco pretty well and I figure
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Marco will hear this and want to help Myke out.
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He'll understand the jam that Myke's in and you know he's got this computer to unload
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so Marco makes some money, sells a laptop he doesn't need, Myke gets a laptop and I
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get all the glory.
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really worked out for everybody. This is the MacBook Mafia, Steven, over here. It really
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is. Man, you are fishing for titles today. It's like an enterprise, man. I'm fishing
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for titles. You're just thinking of computers to move around between families. It's just
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what you're doing. I'm just helping people, man. I can't help. It's in my nature to
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want to help my friends. Yeah, you better watch out, because you won't just be fishing
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for titles, Federico. You'll be sleeping with the fishes if you carry on poking on
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this guy. I will say as well, I got the true like TAM service with this. So like I was
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at Marco's house before we went to the...
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So what it's like buying, tell us what it's like buying a computer at the Marco store.
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So I had a hard drive which had a time machine back up and he was just like give me the hard
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drive and he took it and he like, and then about an hour later I was given a computer
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ready to go. He did the whole thing for me. It was amazing. I got everything. He presented
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all of the pieces to me individually. I even have the plastic that goes over the computer
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that goes into the box. You get the whole deal. So, A++++ would buy again.
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This is better than the Apple store.
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I can't guarantee that you'll always get this experience if you buy computers from Marco,
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but there's no doubt.
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Well, I'm glad it worked out. I'm really pleased to hear that it is making a difference.
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Even though it was done, it was done in actual concern, not just getting to make fun of you on
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the show. So I'm glad, I'm glad it worked out. And I'm glad you're happy with it. So what are
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you going to do with the 12 inch MacBook? I mean, is it going to be does this have a place in your
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life? Or does this MacBook Pro push it out the door? I don't know. I don't know. I haven't made
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my mind up yet. I don't want to keep two computers, like two laptops, just right up going and running
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all the time so I think it's gonna have to find a new home. I just I just don't
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want that is it it's already frustrating enough like every time I have to go on a
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trip or whatever like just dealing with the administration of like making sure
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the laptop is all up-to-date or I actually open it everything needs to
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sync right like all of my messages need to come through one by one like it's a
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whole big thing I don't want to have two computers lying around like it's just
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not a thing so Italy if I go to somebody in my family that wants it I don't think
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I can see people saying like, "Oh, what did Dina want?"
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She has a MacBook Pro which she loves.
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I can't imagine her wanting to change to this
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because she doesn't think the MacBook Pro anywhere,
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like it's just at home.
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So I think she's not gonna wanna change it.
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I'll ask her though if she wants it and she could have it.
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Maybe I have another family member that might want it.
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Otherwise, we'll look to sell it, I guess.
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Even if, like I know I'm gonna miss the weight, right?
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Like I'm gonna miss the lightness of that computer.
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I don't wanna have two laptops.
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Like, it's silly.
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It's just silly.
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Yeah, that's not really a solution.
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It's not for me.
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Both of you--
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So I'm going to get rid of that somehow.
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But I'll work that out when I get home.
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I'll work that out when I get home.
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I'm glad it worked out.
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So I'm also very curious.
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I see you in just a few days.
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And I'm very curious to see if this new MacBook
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Pro has stickers on it by the time
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you make it to Memphis in like 48 hours.
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I don't think I have any here.
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You don't have a reserve with you at all times?
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You know what?
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I should have brought some because obviously I knew that this was going to happen, but
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I didn't think to bring stickers.
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Pre-stickered.
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You have some stickers at the house, I'm sure, so I'll just take some of those.
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I've got some.
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Yeah, I've got some.
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Well good, I'm glad it worked out.
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So it's August, so that means August is Relay FM's anniversary, so is it next week's episode
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or the week after when we and Steven will be together?
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Is that next week?
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It is next week, a week from today.
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3pm Eastern.
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And that is anniversary week. And anniversary week kicks off our membership stuff. So we
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do this every year where we have a bunch of really special things going on during the
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month of August and stretching into September, which is for Relay FM members. So if you are
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already a Relay FM member, great, you're going to get all of the amazing stuff. If you're
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big thing for August, which is why we talk about it now. You get access to a feed which
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is full of bonus episodes of Relay FM shows that occur throughout August and September.
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Now these will start next week. I think Connected is first, right? On Monday?
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I believe so, yeah.
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So we recorded an episode where we spoke about our home screens. So we did this last year,
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so we did it again. We all put together our iPhone home screens. And I think what I'll
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I'll say is it is surprising that we are still here today based upon how that conversation
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went. Um, there was, you're making it worse than it was. Come on. It was fine. I'm trying
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to sell it to people here. I want them to think that there's like drama, right? We got,
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we got to sell this. This is the hard sell. People, people like love. We were torn apart
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at the center over the decisions that we all decided to make about our home screens. It
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Yeah, we do have one additional thing.
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So we've done, we did this at launch and then we did it last year.
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So it's not quite an annual tradition, but after this year it will be, I guess, where
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you and I sit down for a Q&A during anniversary week.
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Last year we did this, actually just listen to it like a month ago.
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I was super sick this time last year of laryngitis, so it's basically just you talking for an
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But this year we're going to do it when you're here.
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We're going to do it as a video, so you and I are going to answer questions on camera.
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We're going to put it, I think, on your YouTube channel, so it won't be as long as the hour-long
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So if you have a question for us about Relay, about podcasting, about what MacBook Pro you
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We're probably just going to answer questions about Relay FM, though.
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Like you can send in anything you want, but like, you know.
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- I'm only gonna answer questions not about,
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no I'm just kidding.
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use the hashtag RelayQA,
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and we will see them and be gathering them.
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We're gonna record that in the early part of next week,
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- Hashtag RelayQA.
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We get to do a bunch of fun stuff.
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If you're in Memphis, we're gonna do a meet up
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next Thursday night there's a Facebook event floating around.
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So anyways, that's this month of Relay.
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Lots of stuff.
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So thank you so much.
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To everybody that helped support us, let's take a break.
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We have, oh my gosh, there's so much more left to talk about today.
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before. I think that's really interesting. When they told me about that I was like, yeah,
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okay, we'll do that. That sounds like fun. So go get yourself some free money, I guess.
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All right, should we talk about new iPhones? Did you guys know that there's a new iPhone?
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There's a new iPhone.
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Interesting.
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It's pretty cool, right?
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I find it funny when every time I'm talking about the new iPhone every year, there's someone
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among my friends or my family, usually my mother, she goes "Oh, they're making a new
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They hadn't given up yet?
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Yes, they are making a new one in fact.
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And apparently this year it's gonna be a big one.
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That's amazing.
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So what do we have this time?
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We have a bunch of stuff.
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We're going to start with the design and then we're going to talk about maybe some of the
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features and some of the stuff has been stuff we've spoken about but then some of it's new.
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So MKBHD, everyone's favorite tech YouTuber, put a video up a couple nights ago of a model
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that some people have made kind of putting all this together.
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So it has the edge to edge screen, it has the little notch in the top for the camera
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and the earpiece.
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It's a great video, all of his videos are great, but the thing that really dived out
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at me is that this model has white front glass and, boys, it is not good looking at all.
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It is really, I think, at least really sort of jarring.
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Well, this is exactly why I threw out a prediction that I thought there wouldn't be one, right?
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There wouldn't be a white phone, because it doesn't look right.
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The back looks fine, the front looks really strange, because there's barely any of it.
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It's very weird.
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And we're going to talk more about this, like, what are they doing with the chin and the
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forehead, like what is that all going to be?
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Like, we're going to talk about that a little bit later on.
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But this is like, part of it is like, why would you have this OLED screen, this beautiful
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black OLED screen, with this white little part sticking in the top?
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It just looks really weird.
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Yeah, it does look really weird.
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So some other things on here, the phone looks really small compared to a Plus.
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So the general idea here is that it's the screen size of the Plus, but basically in
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a body the size of the regular phone.
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And that's easy to say, but when I saw them side by side in his video, it really surprised
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And as someone who's used to a bigger phone, and I like the Plus, all three of us do, I'm
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of looking forward to this because I can have the same screen size but in an
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overall package it's smaller and I think that's a big win Samsung and others have
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already gone down this road of course but I think it's gonna be really nice to
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have a phone that's this size but also smaller kind of all at the same time
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yeah it's gonna be so weird it's gonna be so weird like I wonder if it's gonna
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feel small or if it's gonna feel big right like that's what I wonder about
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like how is it gonna feel to actually hold it and that when you look at it
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what is your how does your brain process it I think for us it's gonna feel small
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You know, we've all carried the Plus now for like three years.
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I think for Plus Club members it's going to feel like a smaller phone.
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And that may take some getting used to, but I think for everyone else, it's going to feel right.
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I think it depends on whether we're going to get the same amount of content shown on screen as the iPhone Plus,
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or if we're gonna get like an iPhone 7 type of content area with like this function sort of
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content area at the bottom. So like when I'm scrolling through my Tweetbot feed, am I seeing
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you know the same number of tweets that I would see on the iPhone plus or am I gonna see two, you know, like
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Five tweets instead of seven tweets and then like this empty row at the bottom with the home button and other shortcuts
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so like I think the idea of having
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the screen of a
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Plus iPhone into the body of a non plus version. I think it's great
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but he ultimately it comes down to how Apple deals with the
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Function area situation if it's like if it's a percent persistent area or if it's like it's an overlay that can disappear
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it's like it's contextual and it can show you content.
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I think we've got to see what they do in that regard.
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- But this model itself, right, the phone,
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I think it looks amazing.
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I think it really looks very cool.
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Like the band that runs around the side,
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stainless steel, right, is the thinking.
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I think that looks fantastic.
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Just looking at this model and it's like, wow, okay.
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this is gonna feel like something pretty special, I think.
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I'm excited about it.
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- Yeah, I think it's gonna be a nice change.
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You know, there's talk about the glass back,
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and so you automatically think of the iPhone 4 and 4S,
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and so I've actually have one.
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I pulled my 4 out yesterday, kind of in prep for the show,
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and like, it's nice because it is so,
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like, the design of it's nice because it's symmetrical,
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and I think it's very clean looking.
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I still think that's a better looking phone that we have now.
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And it seems like a move back to that a little bit.
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Obviously, in something much thinner,
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and probably something still with rounded edges,
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as opposed to the squared off look,
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I think it kind of will blend the current design and that
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4, 4S design in a way that's really pretty special.
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And I think something great.
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I said this, I think, last week.
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The more we learn about this phone,
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the more excited I am about it.
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It's not a, oh no, the surprise has been ruined.
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Pardon me, yes.
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Feels that way.
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But overall, I'm like, come on September.
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Let's do this.
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I can't wait to get my hands on one of these.
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So there's some rumors and images about the colors.
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It looks like from some leaked images,
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there will be three colors for the next iPhone.
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White, black, which is probably jet black.
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It looks pretty shiny in the images.
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Well, if it's glass, it's going to--
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it seems like it's got to be jet black or something
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close to it because the glass is going to make it shiny.
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And then also champagne gold, which looks kind of copper-like. It's almost like if you
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It looks kind of brown, basically.
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Yeah, I feel like if you took rose gold and gold and kind of mixed them together, it would
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probably come out close to this, right? Like it feels like it's this mix between the two
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It's the Zune phone.
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I mean, do you know what? I actually think it looks kind of cool, right? Like I think
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it's an interesting color.
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Depending on how the front looked,
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dependent on whether I'd want it,
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like I really want a black front,
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like if it looks exactly as it's being shown off right now,
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I think the black model is gonna look the best
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with the screen, right?
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But I think it's an interesting color choice.
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But again, like I just remain completely surprised
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about the idea of a white front on these things.
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That just seems so strange to me.
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There's also wireless charging stuff.
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So there was a leak from Foxconn,
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which shows something called an engineering validation
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test of a product code named Ferrari, which is understood
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to be a code name of this iPhone, which
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shows a large wireless charging coil within the product.
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So this, I guess, would suggest wireless charging,
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with the glass back being able to assist that.
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Yeah, so this is very similar to the leak
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we had of the Apple Watch two days before it was announced.
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sort of late stage testing. Also it's on Windows XP, which is hilarious to see if
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you haven't seen Windows XP in a long time. But the wireless charging would
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require the glass back so it can help explain that move. And if these photos
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are real then this is what's happening. I mean you don't get to to this level of
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testing in China if this isn't the plan. So the conversation is also about like
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what what does this look like? So Gruber for weeks and weeks has been saying I
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think the tipster even the ATP tipster even today on Twitter said, yes, but it's
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going to be an add on. So the the wireless charging, you know, what the pad
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or whatever the other side of it is, would be an additional purchase, which
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is okay, like I kind of get that. But the the idea here, I guess, or the thing I
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I want to talk about is this post that Casey wrote, Casey Liss. He's on vacation and so
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the, the URL is "I always think dumb stuff like this but I'm on vacation so YOLO I guess."
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Which is really good because his argument is dumb. Like that this phone would be the
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first phone with no ports. Like if this thing comes without a lightning port and no ports
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then like I don't, I don't know. Like when you make a crazy bet that can't come true.
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I would say like I read this and the argument isn't bad but it's too soon is the way it
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Like everything that he poses about the potential for why this could be a phone that doesn't
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have any ports on it.
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So like wireless charging, wireless debugging, EX code, water-resistance, the fact that the
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7 dropped the headphone jack, there's AirPods, like all of that stuff I think leads to the
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argument, but it's too soon.
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I think we're a couple of revisions away.
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I believe that one day there will be an iPhone with no holes in it, right?
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Because why not?
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you're introducing all this technology, you may as well go the whole way. But I think
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he got that, I think his conclusion isn't on the money this time that it would be this
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fun. I think we're a couple of revisions away, but I think it will happen.
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Yeah, that's fair. But if you're going to write a post of a URL
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like that, I'll support it. I love it. It's in the document, it's so funny. But the thing
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is though, I do this too. Like what cases down here, and I'm sure we all do, I have
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these ideas in the shower, I'm like, "I've cracked it!" And then I think about it a little
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more later, and I'm like, "No, that doesn't make any sense."
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One of these thoughts is actually what I want to talk about now, which is the virtual home
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button, because I've been spending some time thinking about the virtual home button after
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listening to you two talk about it last week, right? The idea of there being, as Federico
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was talking about a minute ago, like this function row, this area of the screen, which
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is unused by applications, and it has a circle, that's the home button, and maybe some other
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stuff on it. I just wanted to like just talk about the kind of pointlessness of that with
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the information that we have at hand. So we don't know the whole picture, right? But let's
00:51:22
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just assume that everything that people were talking about like those posts that Alan Pike
00:51:26
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did that you spoke about, all of the tweets that Steve Trouton Smith has been doing where
00:51:29
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he's trying to see what he thinks it looks like. You know, everyone is drawing these
00:51:33
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conclusions of that, that there'll be this bottom of the phone which apps can't use,
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right, and that there is some system stuff in there. This feels like a waste. It feels like
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this is wasting everything. Like, it wastes touch ID because we may as well keep the button
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if it's part of the screen we can't use. We may as well keep the whole physical thing.
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It loses the idea of touch ID as a thing, right? Like, we lose that if the phone goes,
00:52:01
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we all scream with this face detection thing. And it also wastes putting the bigger screen. Like,
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Why make an edge-to-edge screen if part of it can't be used?
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I feel like there must be more than what is being proposed.
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But the idea of there being this black part of the bottom of a screen that has a circle
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in it that's a home button, it feels like such a waste, right?
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Why would you make this screen much bigger if all you're going to do is block off part
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of it that nobody can ever use?
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So I've been trying to think, what additional features could go there?
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Now I don't know completely what they would be, but let's just assume that this is completely
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unused and underused by the system. I thought that maybe one of these things could be a
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multitasking button. I was watching a Lyft driver use her Android phone and she wanted
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to switch apps so she pressed a button, right, which is persistent on the screen of Android
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phones to go into multitasking. And I was thinking that that could be a thing because
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multitasking now would be double tapping an area of the screen
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right because that would be the home button
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and that feels weird to me right like to double tap this area of the screen
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and also in iOS 11 the 3d touch action
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is gone where you squeeze on the side yeah so if
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yeah if this is just this completely unusable part of the screen which I
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I hope it isn't I hope there's a way to do more of it I was thinking that maybe
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they could put a button to activate multitasking in there yeah
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I've been thinking about the introduction of the iPhone when Steve Jobs was talking
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about the physical keyboards on smartphones at the time. And he mentioned, and I'm paraphrasing
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here, but he mentioned that one of the problems with physical keyboards is that once you ship
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them, you can never update them with software because you shipped a bunch of physical buttons
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that cannot be ever changed unless you buy a new phone. And so I'm thinking if Apple
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is doing a virtual home button with this virtual function area at the bottom, why replicate
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the physical bezel of the iPhone with the home button when you can do so much more?
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Because it's a screen, it can become anything you want.
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And so it would be a loss, I think, not just for users, but for Apple to imagine, you know,
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how can we go beyond this bezel that we have, this basically this glass that we don't use
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at all. Now we have a chance to put any control we want in there. And so it would be not just
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a loss for us, but a loss for Apple to not imagine something like this. So I want to
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be positive and I want to be optimistic. And I think Apple is doing something like this.
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And there are so many ideas. Obviously the multitasking one, I think it's a great idea,
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Myke. But arguably, if you think about it, right now the home button already is kind
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software because it's not a physical, it doesn't physically move anymore and uses the Taptic Engine.
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And so I think we should go a step beyond. And so the Home button could maybe transform into multiple shapes.
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So like when you look at Siri, for example, in iOS 11, it kind of looks like a Home button, like the Siri icon.
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So I would assume when you press down, the Home button would physically trans, like virtually transform under your finger.
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your finger, you would see the Siri graphic.
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And maybe, I don't know, but depending on context,
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it could become a Siri indicator,
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or it could become an Apple Pay icon.
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Or maybe, you know, when you're on the home screen,
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it could be something else to, you know,
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to open Spotlight or to, you know,
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to navigate between pages.
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It could support gestures, for example,
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to switch between apps or to open multitasking.
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And we're not even thinking about the idea of 3D Touch,
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because it's a screen after all.
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So if there's 3D touch support in the function area,
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you could enable even more shortcuts
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by pressing either the home button
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or some of these other controls.
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There are so many possibilities.
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And I think, you know, Siri, home button, multitasking
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and spotlight could be pretty safe bets,
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especially now that it's even harder
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to open spotlight on iOS 11 and to open widgets on iOS 11.
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I think there's room for those kinds of controls.
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So I've been thinking also about how do you deal with the status bar, you know?
00:56:20
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Like if Apple is truly sort of embracing this notch at the top of the iPhone with the split
00:56:27
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status bar, does the function area get some of those controls that would normally go at
00:56:33
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the top, or do those stay at the top and we get different stuff at the bottom?
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It's interesting to think about, like, how do we change the gestures that we use?
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Can we still tap the status bar to scroll to the top of a list for example?
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Or do we have to tap on some indicator in the function area?
00:56:52
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And usually I think I try to apply the model of usually the simplest explanation wins.
00:57:03
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And that is the status bar is gonna be split.
00:57:06
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We're gonna be able to tap near the notch or in the two ears on the two sides of the
00:57:13
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We can swipe down from the notch to open notifications and we're gonna get some controls in the function
00:57:20
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I also think judging from the HomePod leak and some of the other APIs in iOS 11, some
00:57:27
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apps will be able to request full screen entitlement to the system, so like photos or videos or
00:57:33
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maybe YouTube could say, "Hey, I wanna display content in full screen."
00:57:37
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So hide the Home button and the function area right now and when you tap the screen, it
00:57:43
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will be shown as an overlay. So in full screen you watch a video, there's no home button.
00:57:48
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You tap the screen, you view the playback controls, you also view the home button again.
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And maybe there's going to be like a minimized mode to only show the home button, but not
00:57:59
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the full set of controls in the function area. And also there's the question of what happens
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when you switch to landscape? How do those controls sort of reorient themselves? So it
00:58:10
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It feels like it's a crazy territory right now because there are so many possible ideas.
00:58:16
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It's basically we have an entire new screen into the screen and only Apple knows what
00:58:22
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they're doing with it and we're only left here speculating and thinking of ideas in
00:58:27
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So, you know, I'm really excited about this.
00:58:30
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I think it's going to be, you know, not even… people are saying it's like a touch bar.
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I think it's going to be so much better than a touch bar because if my instanton is correct,
00:58:43
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we're going to get all the most essential controls and shortcuts in there, not like
00:58:48
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additions like the touch bar is, but like the stuff that we use every day, multitasking,
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search, open button, all in there.
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And that's exciting.
00:58:56
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Yeah, so I just want to see it be used well, right?
00:58:59
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Like a lot of that stuff is it.
00:59:00
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I just what I'm what I don't want is just it's just the bottom of the phone right like that's boring
00:59:07
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Yeah, and we can look I'm gonna be that guy we can look to see what Samsung has done here because the vs8
00:59:15
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Has a touch sensitive, you know, it's screen all the way to the edge and there's a excuse me a pressure sensitive
00:59:23
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So it's you know, you're down there at the bottom
00:59:25
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you force touch or 3D press, whatever the verb is, to activate that.
00:59:30
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And they have multitasking and stuff like every other Android phone has ever had.
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But they sort of have layered in pressure to make the bottom of the phone
00:59:38
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act differently in different situations.
00:59:41
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And I think that whatever they end up doing here, and I'll go with you Federico,
00:59:45
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there's lots of possibilities. I think the simplest one is always the best way to go.
00:59:50
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I've got to think that 3D touch is going to make a huge impact here.
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They're going to rely on that to mode switch or have different things available at the
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And so I think the way Samsung has done it and the way they solved it, it may not be
01:00:05
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I actually haven't used an S8 for any extended period of time, but I think Apple would follow
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it down the same direction of using pressure sensitivity to solve some of these problems.
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Maybe considering how we got personalization in Control Center in iOS 11, I could envision
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like a menu that says customize the controls that you get in there.
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Do you want to get search or do you want to get multitasking?
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It's like it's your choice because it seems like this seal has been broken in terms of
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customizing the system controls.
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Now we have a precedent and it's coming with iOS 11 so it wouldn't be out of character.
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You know there's a home button menu in the settings right now.
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It wouldn't be weird I think to have like a function area or something.
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We don't even know what the name is.
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I think function area is ugly.
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So whatever the name is, shortcuts bar or something, we're going to get, I think it
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wouldn't be too crazy to see some customization available.
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Last thing before we move off this, I just want to talk about this HomePod thing again,
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because maybe I don't understand enough of this stuff, but I'm just thinking, whilst
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there is so much information coming out from this, is it worth creating it like it's a
01:01:15
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Holy Grail, like every piece of information is contained inside of here?
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Like could there be APIs that relate to things with this new screen size that we just haven't
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seen yet that are meant for the phone?
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That like we just don't see?
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Sure, I think so.
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I mean especially when it comes to the hardware stuff specific to the new iPhone and I don't
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know because this is like a full version of iOS as a HomePod
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software update.
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But I think it's possible that some of the APIs
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are not included in there.
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I think it's unlikely because it feels like the major stuff we've
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already seen.
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But maybe we're wrong.
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Maybe we don't know.
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And maybe there's like an API for third party
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functional integration is coming.
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And it's not advertising this leak.
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Because I was wondering, what if most of what we've seen
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is akin to some kind of compatibility mode
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or something, like how apps run without taking
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advantage of this stuff because these APIs just
01:02:26
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weren't included?
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Yeah, I don't know enough of how these things are built.
01:02:31
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I was hoping you would be able to tell me
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if I was right or wrong.
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But I just think it's possible.
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It's possible.
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It's possible, but I guess it also depends on if you test
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compatibility mode how why wouldn't you include the other bits of code like maybe
01:02:49
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they weren't ready but maybe it just wasn't because you know this isn't meant
01:02:53
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to be this full thing like you know you guys were talking last week about like
01:02:57
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things change and they might not have included everything like we don't
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hundred-percent know what it is we've got access to I guess like how far along
01:03:04
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it is in any of the tracks right like nobody I can assume truly would know
01:03:08
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that information.
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Yeah, and there's always going to be...
01:03:12
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I mean, you can look at all this stuff and look at all the evidence, but we don't have
01:03:16
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like the full story of it, right?
01:03:19
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That's really hard to separate from features with Apple, the way they frame them and the
01:03:23
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way they explain them during the keynote and then afterwards through marketing.
01:03:28
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All that's missing from this too, right?
01:03:30
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So all we know or seem to know is that this is what the new phone looks like roughly,
01:03:36
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we don't really know, to our points a couple of minutes ago,
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but what is the bottom area going to be like?
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What are they going to do with the top?
01:03:42
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Why are they doing all of this?
01:03:44
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What happens to developers who don't update their apps?
01:03:46
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What do developers get if they do update their apps?
01:03:48
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All of that stuff is still unknown.
01:03:50
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That can't be revealed in firmware.
01:03:52
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Hopefully we haven't been
01:03:57
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guilty of holding this up saying this has all the answers
01:04:02
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because it doesn't.
01:04:03
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It has lots of answers,
01:04:04
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but it also raises way more questions than we had before this, right?
01:04:08
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And so it's super interesting.
01:04:10
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I think it's historic in the sense that we haven't seen an error or a leak, whatever
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you want to call it, from Apple like this in a really long time.
01:04:18
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And I bet it's a really long time before we see it again.
01:04:20
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I would imagine there's been some policy change about how things happen now.
01:04:24
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I would hope.
01:04:25
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But it's just a very fascinating thing.
01:04:29
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And you know, if the new phone will look like this and we'll get the full story in a couple
01:04:34
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of weeks, but until then it's, I have to say like July and August are generally quiet
01:04:39
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times for us as far as like content and things to talk about in the summer, like it's just
01:04:44
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quiet in tech.
01:04:45
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That's not been the case for 2017.
01:04:46
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Like weeks and weeks of shows.
01:04:47
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I would like to personally thank whoever it was that did this.
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I know you're going for a real tough time and I apologize that your life has maybe taken
01:04:56
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turn that you wish they hadn't, but from... I would like to just thank you because you've
01:05:01
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made my job really easy for the last few weeks. Terrible. I'm trying to be nice, you know,
01:05:06
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I feel for this person, I make mistakes all the time, but fortunately for me I guess they
01:05:10
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don't... Well I'm sure I make mistakes akin to this, right? Like just putting somewhere
01:05:16
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where it's not supposed to go, but the ramifications aren't the same. Just gonna make a note there.
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Check all of Myke's folders. Check relay security. Usually I just put the laundry in the wrong
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drawer not the wrong firmware in the wrong directory but that's basically the same mic.
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So yesterday iOS 11 beta 5 came out, with it came some new features, some late break-in
01:07:01
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reversals of features, some stuff that we've spoken about on this show over the last few
01:07:06
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weeks. I guess the first one is that messages in iCloud has been removed, right Federico?
01:07:12
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What does this mean?
01:07:13
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It means that WWDC Apple announced a feature to store your entire iMessage thread history
01:07:22
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in iCloud, and to sync that between devices, and to also sync deletion status of, like,
01:07:28
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you delete a message on your iPhone, it's also deleted on your iPad and your Mac.
01:07:33
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And the feature was working well for me, but after checking in on Twitter and talking to
01:07:38
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to a few people it seems like it was very problematic for others. Whether it was using
01:07:45
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a ton of storage, or like we're talking hundreds of gigabytes of storage to sync entire threads
01:07:51
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that go back like multiple years, because if you flip on the switch on a Mac that has
01:07:55
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been running messages for three years, now you get three years of attachments and logs
01:08:00
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on iCloud. So it seems like Apple needed more time to get this feature ready. And I think
01:08:08
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according to the release notes in beta 5, it's not coming with iOS 11.0, it's coming
01:08:13
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in a later update to iOS 11. And usually when Apple posts these notices, I remember a couple
01:08:20
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of years ago there was a search feature for Spotlight that didn't ship with iOS 9 and
01:08:27
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eventually came out in iOS 10 as differential privacy. So usually when Apple does these
01:08:32
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delays it's not unusual that they come out a year later as a full feature like
01:08:40
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presented differently so I wouldn't be surprised if messages in iCloud become
01:08:45
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something else next year or maybe this time is different and maybe this time
01:08:48
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it's actually coming with iOS 7.1 or 0.2 I just don't have a lot of faith so
01:08:54
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that's too bad because it was useful it was working well for me but you know
01:08:58
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it's that kind of feature that is so essential you know when you ask people
01:09:01
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to flip a switch for iMessage and upload their entire history to iCloud, the system better
01:09:08
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be working well, otherwise don't do it at all.
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I'm more hopeful than that that it will show up.
01:09:17
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My thought was when I saw this news that either they came across something they've got to
01:09:22
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fix and they need more time, or that something with the ramp up to this, whatever the initial
01:09:31
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And it's like, I signed up for iOS 11.
01:09:34
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This checkbox gets checked by default.
01:09:37
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What does that mean in the background?
01:09:38
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What does iCloud have to do?
01:09:40
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What sort of data is required on Apple's end?
01:09:43
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That something in there maybe needs more time that maybe they started load testing it and
01:09:48
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it developed a problem.
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I will never know.
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But I agree with you.
01:09:53
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The feature seemed really interesting.
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It seemed, you know, for me, like, you know, like Myke, I have a MacBook Pro.
01:09:59
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They don't use every day and anytime I open it, it just takes forever to sync the stuff
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and to make that better, I welcome.
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But it's got to be done right.
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They can't get that wrong.
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And so I'd rather them delay than have a failure.
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Messages are really important to people.
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iMessage is an incredibly important service for Apple.
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And if they blow it, then that becomes what everyone remembers about iOS 11 and they don't
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it in a point of date, make sure it's good, totally cool with me.
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Now we have spent a ton of time talking about the blue bar, the location bar, right? I think
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on the whole we were all pretty upset about the persistent blue location bar, it seemed
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like a bad decision. It seems like Apple agrees that it's a bad decision, so they've completely
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changed the way this works really late, right? Beta 5 is pretty late to be making a sweeping
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change like this, I don't fully understand what's going on here Federico, so I'm hoping
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that you can help me.
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This is a quick "teachy reteaches" I guess.
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We're going back to school!
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We're going back to school boys!
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Back to school season!
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Alright have a seat and listen up.
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So here's what's changed.
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So remember I told you that there were two types of location access.
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When in use and always.
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When in use means you're actually using the app right now, always means the app is requesting
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your location in the background.
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In the first few betas of iOS 11 until beta 4, if you had an app that was using the always
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of location access in the background, like Google Maps Timeline or Moves or Swarm, you
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were seeing constantly the blue bar.
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Because Apple was thinking, you know, there's an app using your location in the background,
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you want to see the blue bar.
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Now in Beta 5, they have completely changed cores.
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Now the blue bar is an option that developers can request if they want it.
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So by default, if you have an app like Google Maps or Facebook Moves or whatever that is
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using your location in the background, now you only see the location arrow icon in the
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In iOS 11, the location arrow is hollow when there's an app that is requesting your location,
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and it's a filled icon, it's a filled-in arrow when your location is actively being transmitted
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to the app. But that's all you see. And if the developer wants it, it can also show the
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blue bar as a shortcut that you can tap to go back to the app. So basically, before the
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blue bar was being enforced on every single app that was using the location in the background,
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now it's not enforced anymore and it's something that developers can ask for if they want it,
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if they think it's useful.
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And I should also specify that the apps that use
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the When In Use access, so apps that you're using right now
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to access your location, those apps can also be
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backgrounded, but it means they're still running,
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so they're not being suspended by the system.
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So like when you start up the, you know, the,
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I think of the excellent skiing app Slopes.
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For example, when you open it, when you start a workout
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and you close the app, you see the blue bar
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because that's an app that you're using right now
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that is still running in the system
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and that can also show the blue bar.
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But that's a different topic.
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What Apple changed is the whole deal
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with the background location access.
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We were talking about, oh, Apple is now shaming apps
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are using your location in the background and it seems like enough people complained
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and enough people found that confusing or maybe big companies complained that Apple
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changed course completely and now the blue bar is something that you should want if necessary.
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It's not enforced by default anymore. I don't know what to think. Maybe, you know, I've
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come to, I mean besides the fact that I wasted like an entire day writing up this chapter,
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which is now useless, so imagine how hypey I am. But besides that, maybe, maybe we were
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wrong and maybe Apple didn't want to shame apps at all, like maybe Apple was thinking,
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"Hey, this is useful for everyone." Like, it wasn't supposed to shame apps, it was only
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supposed to be useful and that kind of backfired, so Apple found another way to be useful, which
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is make it an API that developers can ask for optionally.
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I don't know.
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It just seems so strange.
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It doesn't make any sense to me because who would ask for that?
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Like there's no logic.
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So I've also been thinking about this.
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I've also been thinking about this and an idea could be, and this is, I realise, a pretty
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narrow use case.
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You're going for a stretch here, aren't you?
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I can feel it.
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I'm going for whatever I can find, man.
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It's like, maybe you have an exercise workout type of app
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that you want to quickly get back into while you're running
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or doing something else.
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And maybe the developer says, I actually want the blue bar,
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because I want to enable users to open the workout
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screen quickly.
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That is actually a pretty good use case.
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But I feel like you are finding that, as opposed
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to it being the intention.
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Do you know what I mean?
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You have put the thought in to be like,
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oh, okay, this is a good application for that.
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I don't believe that this was the intention
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when they put it into iOS 11 in the first place.
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- Me neither, honestly, me neither.
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All signs were pointing to Apple
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sort of not wanting developers to use
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always location access as much as they are.
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They had an entire segment at WWDC talking about,
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you know, how many apps use location access
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in the background that they don't actually need it.
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And they were talking about, you know,
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all the stuff in iOS 11 with when in news is now enforced.
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And that is still true.
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You gotta support the when in news authorization
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and you can also upgrade from when in news to always.
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So none of that has changed.
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- So all of that's the same.
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- All of that is the same.
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So your app needs to support
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the basic when in news location access.
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And your app can still do the upgrade flow
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from when in use to always.
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So that is still the same.
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The only thing that has changed is
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if your app is using the always type location access,
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not necessarily it has to show the blue bar.
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It's an option.
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And if they want it, they can show it.
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If they don't, they won't show the blue bar.
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- I think that this is what happens
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when you have a public beta, right?
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Like I think it was the same with the cover sheet stuff
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that I just expect that people were just losing their minds over this, right? Because, again,
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this isn't on the iPad, is it? Because I've never seen the blue bar. Is it just on the
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iPhone, this stuff?
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I think it's also on the iPad. I'm not 100% sure because I didn't enable the Google Maps
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timeline but I don't see why it wouldn't be on the iPad. So I just assume it's on both
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Okay. Well, I mean, my assumption from this is just like they were paying attention to
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to people that just weren't liking this feature, right?
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The same with cover sheet, rather we,
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there were a lot of people saying this doesn't work,
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like the notification stuff doesn't work the way that I want,
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like I need to be able to tap this,
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like all this kind of stuff.
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I just expect that it was a similar thing here,
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because as we spoke about,
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and we've been speaking about it for a couple of weeks,
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right, this is not a good user experience,
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having this persistent blue bar that pops up
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because there's an application like Tracker or like Swarm,
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which you want to be doing this stuff,
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but there was no way to be like,
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no, please just let me.
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So I assume that they've just figured
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we're just gonna revert it
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and maybe come back to it later in another way.
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I guess like if this at this stage,
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it's probably for iOS 11 easier to remove the blue bar
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than to change it to have this like user opt-in type thing,
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right, like where I can go in and say like,
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no, don't do it for this app.
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I expect it's easier to just be like for this release,
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just like let's just get rid of that.
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We'll keep the underpinning of the whole location stuff.
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We can then come back to it later on.
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That makes sense to me.
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- Yeah, I think so.
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I thought about it and it seems like adding
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an entire set of user preferences,
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it's probably too late for that.
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But to make a single API call, it's probably easier.
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A couple of other little things I just wanted to touch on.
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It seems that multitasking is being really kind of
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called out during setup, which is really good.
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- Yeah, I was setting up my iPad.
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upgrading from beta 4 to beta 5 and during the update process, you know, when you get
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a sign in to your account again, I saw these two screens, I believe they will get some
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kind of video in the final seed, right now it's just a static image. They were basically
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Apple explaining the dock and the new app switcher and how you can access recent apps
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from the app switcher and also how you can put your favorite ones in the dock. So it
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It seems like our feeling of you gotta buy into the idea of the dock and the app switcher
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to understand iOS 11, it's also the way that Apple is gonna explain iOS 11 to people of
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use the dock for your most important stuff and find your recent apps into the switcher
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and then use drag and drop and you know all these other multitasking commands to rearrange
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our apps or combined or you know with preview and slide over and stuff.
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And then the last thing that I saw that I found interesting that there's been a bunch
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of keyboard shortcuts added to files, which Steve Transmith obviously discovered, which
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I think look great.
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Like, there's a fantastic list here, like, create folder and duplicate and paste and
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There's loads.
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And I'm really excited about that.
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A Vini app file should have these.
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I think it's great.
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So it's good to see them adding those in.
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I don't understand why create folder has to be common shift and probably because of compatibility
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with the finder because on the finder command and creates a window instead of a new folder
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which doesn't make any sense to me. So I guess they've kind of kept that for files as well
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out of legacy.
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Yeah, muscle memory.
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Muscle memory, yeah. It doesn't make sense to me because why the shift? Well, like I'm
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not opening a new window on iOS but it's fine.
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wait to see what Command N does. Just keep pressing it all day. Someday something will
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happen. Last thing before we finish today, I kind of wanted to, we're getting close to
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this point and I know you guys are both working on reviews. I'm working on reviews of your
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reviews so I'm really keen to see how this is coming along. Steven, I know that you're
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working on a High Sierra review. How's that going for you?
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It's good, slow, I actually spent some time today looking through the sections I've left
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and I've put all the hard stuff off and now it's time to do the hard stuff.
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But it's kind of nice because High Sierra is a smaller release so it's not as expansive,
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not nearly as expansive as Federico has to do.
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But there's still lots of little things.
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I like to try to draw attention to the little touches, little grab bag stuff, just little
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tweaks here and there and those just take time to find using High Sierra and noticing.
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It's moving along, slowly but surely.
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It's going really well I think.
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So usually by this time in August, so the first week of August, I'm still not even halfway
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through and this time if my calculations and plans are correct, I should be done with the
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writing either tomorrow or in a couple of days.
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- And I basically have the entire review,
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except the conclusion,
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but I'm not gonna write the conclusion
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until I've done at least a couple of rounds of editing.
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But I have just one chapter left,
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which was of course notifications and the cover sheet,
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which I saved for the fifth beta of iOS.
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Now I feel pretty confident
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that that is the actual design we're gonna get.
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So I only have that chapter left.
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I finished a bunch of sections today of another chapter.
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Now the only thing left is notifications.
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I should be done with that in three to four hours, I think.
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So once I'm done with that,
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I've already done the editing for the intro
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and I have an actual editor this time.
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- I can confirm it is not Myke.
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Otherwise there would be no editing.
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I'm just kidding, Myke. - Watch it.
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I'm kidding. I add errors in that's my edit. That's how I do it. I just like to keep you on your toes. I
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Think for you know, we're at the 8th of August. I think it's going well. I'm way ahead of schedule, which is good news
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That's good news, man. I'm really pleased for you. You've you've budgeted your time real well this year
01:23:37
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Yeah, I mean I basically haven't worked in two months, but
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That's what happens when you have a team of people taking care of the website for you
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you can focus on other stuff. So that's been great. But yeah, I'm basically done.
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Alright, I think that wraps up this week's episode. You can go and find our show notes
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at relay.fm/connected/154. You can also, whilst you're there, become a Relay FM member, support
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this show, support any show that you want, we'd really appreciate it. If you want to
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follow us on the internet, there's a few places you can do that. You can go to maxstories.net
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or fivetotepixels.net. You can follow us on Twitter. I am @imike, I am YKE. Federico is
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@vittici, V I T I C C I. Steven is @ismh. Thanks again to our lovely sponsors this week,
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the fine folk over at FreshBooks, Balance and Encapsula. As always, thank you for listening
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and we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye guys.