159: Badman Ears
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From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 159. Today's show is brought to you by Blue Apron,
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Hover and Encapsula. My name is Michael Hurley. Oh wow, why did I do that? I'm joined by Federico
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Vittucci and Steven Hackett. Hello everyone, we're very formal today. What did I do that for? Oh no,
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As you can tell, I'm a little bit sick and I'm afraid the cold has spread to my brain.
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So that's the end of me now.
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I have never done that.
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Why did I do that?
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That was so strange.
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Hello, my name is Michael David James Hurley.
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Welcome to the show.
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We have some follow-ups.
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Steven, please, please follow up because I've ducked myself now.
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Steven: Yeah, you really did.
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You used all your names.
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We spoke about my annual St. Jude fundraiser and thank you to the connected audience.
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We have, as of Monday, we reached our goal of $9,000.
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It's currently at $15,000 and change, which is super awesome.
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They met the challenge!
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I challenged everyone and they did it and destroyed it because you had a goal of $9,000
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and it's at $15,000 now, which is unbelievable and it's the best clause ever and please give
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money if you haven't already.
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Please just do it because it's worth it.
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- Yes, so thank you, and I know lots of people
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have been linking to it on Twitter,
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and I saw some blog posts about it from lots of people,
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so thank you all for sharing,
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and it just means the world to me and my family,
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and lots of other St. Jude families.
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- Yep, couldn't be a better cause.
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- So we're going to jettison the rest of follow-up
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to next week.
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There's some very exciting Spotify follow-up
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that I'm not gonna tell you about yet,
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but it's really a scene in my house right now,
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my music situation.
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I've just gone back to cassette tapes, that's the--
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- Oh no, there's no spoilers.
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- Yeah, there's just tapes everywhere.
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We're gonna get into this Apple event,
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but really the Apple event wasn't yesterday,
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it really sort of started over the weekend.
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Because-- - Oh wow.
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- Because a couple of weeks ago we would have said,
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the HomePod firmware leak,
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probably the worst software leak Apple's ever had.
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Surely it won't happen again.
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I guess what happened guys, it happened again.
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- It happened again. - It was worse.
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- It was kind of worse and different.
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- Yeah, I think this was worse, right?
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I think this was definitely worse.
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- I think it was worse too.
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- Because the HomePod stuff,
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it really kind of mostly confirmed things
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we already thought we knew, right?
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- Yeah, and also it was a mistake.
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This one-- - Yeah,
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we're gonna get into that in a minute.
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We're gonna get into this mistake malicious meme
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that's going around right now.
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But this really kind of,
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it took away a lot of the little things, right?
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'Cause when the HomePod stuff's going around,
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wherever these leaks, people were just like,
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oh, you know, this is the broad strokes,
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but where Apple really excels is the little things.
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And this leak had all those little things in it.
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Stuff like Animoji, you know,
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like some of the portrait mode stuff.
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Like so many really interesting tiny details
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were shared in advance.
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and even stuff like the animation for registering face ID,
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the fact that there was gonna be an update to AirPods,
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the list goes on and on and on, right,
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of the little things that came out because of this leak.
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And from what can be discerned,
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I think initially it was presumed
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that this was a leak from a carrier, right?
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I think that was originally how it was reported,
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that it maybe slipped out during the testing process,
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but it later came to light that really,
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this was just someone shared a public URL,
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'cause the URL was public, to get the GM,
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which I assume is created to share with carriers
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and stuff like that, to share with people
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that need to do regulatory testing.
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Apple has a URL that they give to these companies,
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which is obscurity, what is it,
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like security through obscurity type deal?
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- Yeah, basically.
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They shared an entire list of links from,
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I assume from what I've heard, from an internal email,
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like they selected an entire paragraph of links
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and they just sent that around to a bunch of publications
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and then eventually on Reddit and other sites, yeah.
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- And I think it might have been for me personally,
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John Gruber, who I first saw mentioned to the fact
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that he was very aware that this was sent out
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by someone inside of Apple, not as a controlled leak,
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but as a, I want to spoil things or I wanna share,
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you know, like somebody was leaking this
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to spoil something, right?
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And so Federico, you mentioned mistake
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and what do you mean by that?
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Can you explain that?
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- For the HomePod, I do mean that it was like,
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it was not an accident because of the way that,
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the way that Apple handles these releasing OTA updates
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for internal employees only and the general public.
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My understanding is that the system
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that they used to have in place,
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I don't know if it's been changed since, I hope so,
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but the system that used to be in place months ago,
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it was really easy to make that kind of mistake.
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It was a very manual process.
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And someone who was in charge of pushing this OTA update
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for the HomePod to the employees
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that are currently testing the speaker,
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made a genuine mistake and basically dropped the wrong,
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the file in the wrong folder.
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And the fact that that was even possible,
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it wasn't meant to be a malicious act.
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It just, you're dealing with drag and drop
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and you're dealing with two folders,
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it's easy to make that kind of mistake.
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But the system shouldn't be structured like that
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in the first place.
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So from what I know, that was a mistake.
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This one, it was done on purpose.
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I don't know with,
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I mean, I guess if you're sharing the GM before the release,
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and especially the GM seed of the iPhone 10,
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you know that there's gonna be stuff in there
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and you know that people are gonna be able
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to decrypt the firmware and to look inside
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and see stuff like an emoji.
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So to say that that person didn't know the extent
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of his actions or her actions, I don't believe that.
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I don't think that's the case.
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They knew perfectly that leaking the GM a few days ahead of the event would cause damage to Apple.
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All the reporting around it was really interesting for a couple of days, right?
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There seemed to be a lot of discussion about like whether 9to5 should have reported on it, etc, etc.
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My personal feeling on it is it is a shame that this stuff came out, but 9to5 should have reported on it.
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If you get some really interesting juicy details, would you not share?
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So Federico, somebody gave this to you.
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You got this GM.
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Would you do anything with it?
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I mean, you don't have to say like,
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we do go to the whole extent that they did
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ripping it to shreds, but.
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- No, I mean, you know me and you know I wouldn't do that
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because I've had much better material in the past.
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And I've, you know, I've sat on it with my mouth shut,
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not because I don't think it should be reported on
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because I do believe 95 mecha make rumors
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and they're doing their job.
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And it's their business model to report this.
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And especially after the links were on Reddit, were public,
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thousands of people had the GM installed
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before Apple stopped signing the file.
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So they were just doing their jobs.
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Personally, I don't like doing that
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because it's not the way that I see Max
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because it's not the way that I see max stories,
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it's not what I do,
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and I wouldn't be able to sleep comfortably at night
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knowing that I'm upsetting other people,
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even if it would be a considerable gain for my website,
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I mean, at least in terms of traffic.
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But I had stuff in the past and I didn't share it,
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but I also believe it's totally,
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95 Mic and MicRumors are just doing their jobs
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and if they were not reporting on that first,
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somebody else would have.
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- So I don't think they did anything wrong
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in reporting this information.
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I mean, because the idea of spoilers
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is an interesting thing for me.
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Like a spoiler's a thing for a company event
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where they're introducing new products.
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Like, this is something that I've been really bouncing around
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in my head a lot over the last week or two.
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Spoilers, spoilers is a thing, right?
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For an Apple event.
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seems kind of strange in the abstract term because like, spoilers, this is a term that we use for
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works of entertainment, fictional things, and obviously we see Apple's presentations as a
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work of entertainment, right? It's why we watch the two-hour keynote presentation or whatever,
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but it's like this, it's really weird that like there is this entire industry built around
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reporting on rumors that we all pay attention to but then there is a certain
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line that could be crossed where people start talking about spoilers like it I
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think that these leaks this past weekend it's been really interesting and I can't
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in my mind sum up exactly why this one was considered to be so bad I think it
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was a combination of the fact that it was the second time and so a lot of
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people thought that we had the immune system to this kind of leak because of the HomePod
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and instead this was worse. So it's like, imagine if you get a bad disease and you do
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a vaccine and then a few months later you get the same disease again, only it's worse.
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And apply that in terms of spoilers, you know? And we thought, you know, we have, you know,
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that there was a leak months ago, it's fine and now we're gonna be surprised. And then
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just a few days before it hit hard again with even more details.
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I guess it was the proximity, right? The proximity to the event was the problem.
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Because it was, you know, everybody thinks once you get to like Saturday before the keynote,
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you're probably good now, right? Like you've probably got everything you're gonna get.
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But then it was just like, for the entire weekend, more and more and more information
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as Steve Trout and Smith and Guillermo Rambo were looking through all of this stuff and
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pulling out more and more and more things.
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Again like I think it's totally fine that they do that stuff because look if you don't
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want to see it don't follow them on Twitter because you know you're just gonna you're
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gonna get it right because this is what they do.
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The problem is though that now whatever they find is reported more widely and if you follow
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anyone in technology or anything in technology you are gonna find out about
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what happens in these things because it's it's such big news you know like
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even the people who are talking about the fact that it's terrible still linked
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to it yeah I got a lot of replies after I got in a kind of argument about
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about whether an Apple event constitutes a spoiler-worthy event comparable to Star Wars,
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for example. Some people obviously believe that an Apple event is comparable to going
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to the cinema to watch a movie and someone walks out and tells you who dies at the end.
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Other people say, "Well, it's just a big commercial for a company." I think I sit somewhere in
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the middle and I think I tweeted this. Of course there are spoilers about an
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Apple event and it's nicer to be surprised. I think it would have been, you
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know, we would have been in a different mood hadn't we known anything about the
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iPhone X. Like the design. Imagine if the design with the ears was completely new
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yesterday. We would have gone crazy. Instead we got a... we were already used to
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it. But I also think that any Apple event is more about how Apple presents a story and presents the
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features and I think it was still a good show from that perspective. There's sort of a strange
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phenomenon right, Phil Schuler's on stage and he is introducing things and then people are clapping
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which is like a side topic which I find super weird in press events. I know they have Apple
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employees there. In my mind I just hope it's all Apple employees and not people in the press
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applauding but please clap please clap poor Jeb sad he so he announces his
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stuff and he's rolling it out and like everyone in the room knows it's coming
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but he still announces it like there was no nod it's like when the iPhone 4 was
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left in a bar and gizmodo picked it up and took it apart your job said on stage
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you know you've seen this before but you you ain't really seen it and and Apple
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made jokes like that in the past of you stop stop us if you've heard this before
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there was none of that yesterday and in in my mind I think it's because the
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leaks were so serious and like so deep like we knew almost everything that
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Apple just had just chose for whatever reason just to not address it whatsoever
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and that that was sort of strange or like it's sort of like there's this big
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elephant in the room and like you can kind of joke about it when you know one
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gets left in a bar but when an employee leaks a bunch of firmware to the press
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maybe it's awkward to joke about. It's a very strange dynamic I think played out
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on stage. Yeah I think it was the right move right because acknowledging it you
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know it depends what people are doing it for. Acknowledging it in a way encourages it
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right? Yeah because it makes people famous. Yeah if the two-year-old is bad
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like like sometimes all the two-year-old wants is attention and if he's throwing
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a tantrum to get attention, like that you need to be careful
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about how you approach that situation so you don't
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encourage that bad behavior.
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And I think that, I'm not calling whoever does this
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a two year old, but I think there's some parallels
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that if Apple, like Apple doing nothing about this
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publicly is more of a voice of damnation than if they
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got on stage and said yes, we had a leak and we're working
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to find who it is, because then you embolden people
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who are tempted to do it.
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I think, you know, where we are,
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we were doing what you were saying Federico,
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where we are today in 2017,
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like you can't go into these events
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without knowing anything anymore
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and it's been that way for such a long time
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and clearly it appears that Apple's attempts
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to increase secrecy are upsetting some of their employees.
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That's what I think has done this personally.
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You know, like we heard that big report about the secrecy.
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I can imagine many people inside of a company being really upset about being put through
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that and lashing out, because it is kind of a very strange thing, right, to be sat down
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in a room and to be told off by some security officers and being told what to do. And I
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expect that there are people that are lashing out against that, which is why we're getting
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some really weird and involved and deep leaks from inside of Apple.
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Well I mean, you're right, and I would also add to that, that in the current political
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climate in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of personal revenge against
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you know the direction that for example management and especially Tim Cook and you know is going for
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with totally in regards to to Apple and you know their views yeah. So there's you know there are
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more maybe more reasons than ever before for people to get things out and honestly like this
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is going to be a cat and mouse game every time Apple plugs a hole there will be another one.
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right, this is just how it's gonna be because at the end of the day people
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could just talk to people, right, like it doesn't, the firmware stuff is more
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revealing because people, you know, can find things themselves and show evidence
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but people couldn't always talk. So my feeling on this is it is a shame that we
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found out so much information but when I see it I appreciate it for what it is as
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exciting news and just wait for the event as normal. It's like what am I
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gonna do about it? Like I'm not gonna avoid it because do you know what last
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weekend was really exciting and super weird and fun to watch in its own way. So my feeling
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on it is just like appreciate it for what it is and move ahead. Do you know what I mean?
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Like last weekend was crazy and I had so much fun chatting with you guys and reading Twitter
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about all the stuff that was happening because it was like "Whoa, what is going on?" And
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I still watched the event and I still had a great time watching the event and I was
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still like gasping and laughing my butt off and stuff like I feel like where we
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are in 2017 one like these things come together now like you got to take one
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and you got to take the other yeah yeah but don't don't leak anything to
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Federico because he ain't never gonna do nothing with it right Federico well I'm
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gonna keep it to myself yeah you can yourself you know that that's the way to
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do it you know just know the knowledge know that I'm a I'm just saying I'm a
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a good receiver of the leaks. You're like a vault, right? It just goes in and you lock
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it in the vault and it stays there. Yeah, that's exactly it.
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support of this show iOS stories I still on that one I think so where does that
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go now iOS stories calm that's where does it go nowhere maybe I have dotnet I
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guess it's done right like still goes to Michaels right calm yeah I registered
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One day I'll put it where it needs to go if I remember.
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Alright, should we talk about the event, Steven?
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Over to you.
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Yes, let's talk about the event.
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We like to start with meta comments, that's where we're going to go first.
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First time on Apple Park, first time in the Steve Jobs Theater, the event opens with a
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really nice video of the park and the theater and all these wonderful glass buildings.
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I will insert a comment here that if you have not listened to,
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or don't normally listen to, Upgrade with Jason and Myke,
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you definitely should, 'cause Jason was there
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and talks a lot about just the process of being on campus
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and how the theater was.
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I find all this stuff endlessly interesting.
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- We're gonna go to next year, right?
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We're gonna take a trip, right?
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- Take a field trip. - During WWDC?
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- Absolutely.
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It seems like it went off without a hitch.
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There's no reports in press of people being locked
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in bathrooms or the power not working in their chairs.
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It seems like everything worked.
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So that's good.
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- Maybe they're still locked away, right?
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- Maybe, yeah.
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I did see press posting pictures of the bathrooms,
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which I have just--
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- There were no handles on the doors,
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which people were complaining about.
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But like, I don't, you know,
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if you can't find a handle for a door, push the door.
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I mean, I don't really know how difficult that is, but.
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- Put your back into it, come on.
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- Yeah, use some elbow grease.
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Use your giant iPhone Plus to leverage it open.
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- Just smash it open.
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That's what Johnny Ive wants.
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The event opens, of course,
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it's the first time at Steve Jobs Theater.
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It opened with what I thought was just a really
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heartwarming dedication of the theater to Steve Jobs.
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- It hit me, man.
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- Yeah, so it opens, if you haven't watched the video,
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you should definitely watch it.
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There's, it just says Steve Jobs Theater on the screen,
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and there is a voiceover from Steve
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talking about the passion he has for making things
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and infusing that passion into Apple.
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And as long as Apple keeps that first, Apple will be okay.
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It was actually very sobering
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because the theater was dark, it's just the white text.
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You don't see any pictures of Steve during this time.
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- Do you know where that came from?
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- You know, I tried finding it.
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So it sounds, it doesn't sound like it's recorded
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at the very end of his life.
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I don't really know where it's from
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and I couldn't really find it.
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The audio quality to me sounded like an older clip.
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It wasn't something, maybe it was maybe recorded, I don't know, like 20 years ago or something.
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You know what I mean?
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Like it doesn't sound like it was super new.
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As new as it could have been anyway.
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So if you, listener, if you know, if that's from a speech or something I would really
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like to know, so let us know.
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Tim comes out, one of his first lines is, and this felt super, super genuine from him,
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was "I miss hearing his voice."
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And I get it, right?
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Like even part of my brain now is like, "He's a CEO of a company, you've never met him."
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But like, a lot of us looked up to Steve and still have feelings about him and his work,
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and as much as the three of us feel that way, if it's cheesy or not, it's kind of not my
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Cook and these guys, like all these executive team, they work with him for decades. I can't,
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I still imagine it's very raw for them moving into a campus that was Steve's last work,
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running a company that is Steve's biggest product. And it just, it was really nice.
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Steve's widow was there. And I think in the front row, like it was just a very, like,
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very nice, like Apple family moment. I had some pictures of Steve talking about his life, talking
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about how Apple Park was his vision for the future of the company and he wanted developers
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and designers to work together.
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Steve Jobs came up with the open floor plan, I guess we can blame him.
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But all of this really nice stuff.
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We're not going to see this every time.
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This is a, you have to dedicate the theater to who you named it after.
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And I think it was just, it was an incredible way to open it.
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And even the transition was, you know, Steve love days like this where we get to announce
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new products and we have a bunch of new products.
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They even handled that transition out of it,
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I think, really gracefully.
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- Yeah, it was good.
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It was really good.
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- Yeah, it was.
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It was really nice.
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Not everything was awesome.
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So there's a link.
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We have a link in the show notes to an article on The Verge.
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They were keeping tally, as I think a lot of us were.
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The gender ratio this time was pretty bad.
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We talk about this after every event.
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Apple seems to do better at WWDC
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because there's more opportunity for more people on stage
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events like this but it was basically all white dudes this time. Angela had
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a section at the beginning talking about retail but after that
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it was just dudes. Yeah it's a shame they had a couple of like cameo
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moments like Deidre on the paddle board. It was like the best, that was one of the best
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demos apples dine since since Phil Schiller jumped out of a window but yeah
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it wasn't good it wasn't good and I feel like they do some of that stuff to like
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attempt to try and balance it out but that for me only points out the fact
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that they're not doing a good job in general you know what I mean like I feel
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like sometimes they're trying to compensate but by doing that they only
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serve to continue to highlight the fact that one all of their executives are men
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and two, that they only have those executives
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come out on stage to demo the product.
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Like it's peculiar.
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Like does EdiQ like really need to come out
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to demo Apple TV?
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Like does he need to do that?
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- I don't know if it actually has to be him.
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So yeah, this is something that I own,
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I mean all of us only hope we'll get better,
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but it's still a shame that we have to talk
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about this all the time.
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- Yeah, and it's a shame that it's predictable,
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like going into this, that the fall events,
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because they're smaller, and Apple,
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I mean, I get it, like,
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Phil Shiller's gonna be on stage to talk about that,
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I don't have a problem with that,
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but if you have opportunities for other players to come in,
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you should take that, and like you said,
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like, Eddy Cue's the perfect example,
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like, Eddy's who he is, and you know,
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he did a good job this time,
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but is there someone on the Apple TV team who,
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you know, A, has more ownership over the product
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than he does, right?
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Because Apple doesn't just pick somebody
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because of their gender or race to put them on stage.
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It's somebody who is over that product
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or who is involved in it, right?
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They just don't randomly pick to meet a number.
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And that's important to them.
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Like, was there somebody there?
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Is there somebody on that leadership team
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that could do that?
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I don't know, but I hope that they do better than this.
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This is not a stroke in the win column for me.
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- So what else?
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Big Apple retail section.
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I don't think there's anything particularly new in there.
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They talked about how they're calling
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their fancy stores town halls,
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which is like my eyes rolled so hard
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they fell out the back of my head.
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- T.G., you going to Milan to watch a movie?
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- I'm going to the Milan town square for movie night.
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Instead of watching a movie at my house,
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I'm gonna go to the Apple town square.
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I think it's, I mean, the stores
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and the locations look fantastic.
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And I'm pretty sure that the one in Piazza Liberty
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in Milan will be amazing.
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- I'm sure. - There's just a tone of like,
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I don't know, pretentiousness maybe.
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- Yeah, luxury, man.
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It's luxury.
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It's what it is.
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- It's like, yes, it's a very,
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I mean, the Apple stores are amazing,
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but like, it's a store.
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- Like people, they have this idea
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of the people like to hang out at the Apple store
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And maybe there's some element of that
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when you consider the cultural events
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with like today at Apple and that kind of stuff.
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But in practice, people go to the Apple Store
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when their iPhone screen is broken
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and when they need to buy a new lightning cable
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and stuff like that.
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I don't see that beautiful image of
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couples sharing a day at the Apple Town Square
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and children smiling and running around
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as the genius grove is, you know, filling up with people.
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I just don't see that.
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It's not a park, it's an Apple store.
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Like they're making this more romantic than it should be.
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That's all I'm saying.
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- It's like they can embrace the fact
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that people do go there
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and they just wanna look around and stuff like that.
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But it's like, you know.
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- If I want to spend quality time with my girlfriend,
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I'm not going to the Apple store.
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- Like make the nice stores.
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Like yeah, make the nice stores because they're amazing.
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but just understand what they are.
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They're not community spaces, right?
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They're not.
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They're still stores.
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Even if you have events,
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it's just a store that has events in it, right?
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Like if they actually build something
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that you cannot buy anything in, then fine, right?
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Which is not unheard of, like not unheard of,
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but it's not like a thing you could never imagine, right?
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'Cause it could just be like a big marketing thing.
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But if you can buy something in there, it's a store.
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Wait, come on guys, come on.
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- So what you're saying is I should cancel my family trip
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to my Apple Town Hall.
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- Yeah, you should, I'm sorry.
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I'm really sorry.
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- Yeah, imagine that.
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For example, for my birthday, instead of organizing,
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I don't know, a dinner at a fancy restaurant at the beach,
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I'm just gonna say to my friends,
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hey guys, my birthday party is gonna be
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at the Apple Town Square.
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- I'll meet you at Apple, right?
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- Isn't that the line we're supposed to say?
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I'll meet you at Apple.
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- I'll meet you at Apple.
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I mean, so you can buy me my birthday gift directly.
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- Yeah, that's what we're gonna do for Myke's bachelor party
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to scrap what else we're working on.
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We're just gonna go to--
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- Go to the Apple.
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- Go to the Apple.
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- Go to Apple Town Square, somewhere in America.
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- See you at Apple, everybody.
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- Yeah. - Okay, it's gonna be great.
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I was a little surprised by the retail section.
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We haven't seen one in a while,
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and I figured there's a lot of stuff to talk about
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in this event, 'cause I don't think there's gonna be
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a second fall event.
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I started to doubt myself once we were into retail.
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I was like, oh, are they pushing this
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so they can push something else to October?
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I don't think that's the case.
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I still think we're only seeing one event.
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Maybe they just wanna talk about their new stores,
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but it's good to see.
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I think it was an informative section,
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but just a little unexpected and such a busy morning.
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- Talking about busy.
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There were three iPhones.
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Should we talk about the 8s quickly?
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I mean, really, it's just quickly, right?
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Yeah, why not?
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No one cares about the 8s.
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We should talk about them though, come on.
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We can't not talk about them.
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And I'm mocking the 8 a little bit.
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I think if you are a consumer, if you're this person, you're probably not listening to this
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show, but if you upgrade your phone every two or three years, the 8 or 8 Plus is going
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to be awesome.
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of friends you know I'm sure y'all are like this on iPhone day everyone in your
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life text you to be like what should I buy like I went to a thing last night
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with like five or six friends and they were all like this is what we talked
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about the first 20 minutes as a new iPhones but the I think if you know if
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you're that sort of user like I've got friends who have you know an iPhone 6 or
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a 6s they're gonna go to an 8 and it's gonna be an awesome upgrade and they
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don't want to spend the money for the 10 which is totally understandable so the
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The 8 is an important phone.
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I think it is overshadowed in the enthusiast circle,
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but we have to remember that we're like the king
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of the enthusiast circle.
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Like, of course we're all doing the 10.
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But for a lot of consumers, the 10 is just like
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a crazy thing Apple did at the top of the line,
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like the gold Apple Watch was.
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- 'Cause it's so expensive. - And the 8
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implies what's new. - It's silly.
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It's so silly silly.
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- Yeah, exactly. - It's silly silly.
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- That's what basically everyone last night said.
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And then, you know, I'm sure they were all judging me
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because they know I'm gonna buy it, but.
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- Yeah, but also like-- - I think they're great
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at this. - I do need to say,
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like the jet black plus silly, silly expensive.
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Right, they're silly expensive, these phones.
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The plus phones were very expensive,
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the 10 is very expensive.
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I just wanna say something super quick.
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Maybe someone can help diagnose this for me.
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But I think Apple's product pages give me motion sickness.
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The scrolling, I get so uncomfortable
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with the scrolling on these pages, like the iPhone pages.
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- I hate that where they hijack your scroll.
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- It makes me feel ill.
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And I don't know what it is.
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I don't have motion sickness.
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I've never had motion sickness before.
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- So you feel how I feel when I look at the--
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- I think the ProMotion.
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- iPads, I can't handle ProMotion.
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- I feel physically uncomfortable scrolling these pages.
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- That's 'cause you know how much money you're gonna spend.
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- But I'm looking at the iPhone 8 right now.
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I really don't like it.
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Like I'm scrolling, I have to like look away when I scroll.
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- There's a lot of moving elements.
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It's not just like the initial animation.
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It's like as you scroll,
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every single section has some moving parts.
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- Yeah, and also it doesn't--
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- And they move in different directions.
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- It doesn't scroll as smoothly as I think it should,
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and I think that might be part of it as well.
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- Yeah. - Yeah.
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- Like it's a bit jittery
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because it's such a heavy webpage, I expect.
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- They're very beautiful, but they make me sick.
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I tried it in Safari too on my iPad
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and I had the exact same problem,
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because I figured, oh,
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maybe Chrome isn't rendering this correctly,
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because that has happened in the past,
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but it doesn't seem to be the case.
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But anyway, the 8 is a really good looking phone.
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I like the glass, I like the return of the glass.
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I do really like the new gold colour which seems to be a mix between rose gold and gold.
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It seems to be something in between those.
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I was watching some hands on videos this morning, it seems very subtle.
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I think the video watch called it a sandblasted look almost.
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was colorful and they stripped the color back somehow. It looks
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really nice in the renders but very subtle I think in person. It almost looks
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like there's some yeah there is like some kind of color on the back of it
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which is not white and you know it looks really nice it's like this goldy color
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and then the aluminium is like a gold color and the phone itself it's it's
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good right like it's got the wireless charging in it which I wouldn't have
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expected it's you know it's got all the features that we expect it's got a these
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- These new portrait mode features, right?
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This lighting stuff, is this just for the new phones?
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- Hold on a second.
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- All right.
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- It's also got the standard power adapter,
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which is a shame that Apple is still
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putting this one in the box.
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Of course it's got the ear pods,
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it doesn't have the ear pods.
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It's gonna be a long time, I think,
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before we get the ear pods in the box.
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And it's got the lightning jack to,
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lightning to headphone jack adapter.
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So that's still a thing.
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- Yeah, that comes in the box with the X.
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Oh, the X, here we go.
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- With the 10 too. - Oh no.
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- It comes in the box, we'll get to that.
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It comes in the box with the 10 or adapter thing,
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which I'm really surprised they put it in there.
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- I'm just really annoyed that these phones
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support fast charging and then Apple is still upsetting you
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on the USB-C charger, which should be the correct one
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to give to people.
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But anyway. - Yeah, it does.
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What's the fast charging when it does what,
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like 50% in 30 minutes or something?
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- 50% in 30 minutes thanks to USB-C power delivery,
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which is obviously has been built into the lightning controller, so now you can take advantage of any USB-C brick that has power delivery built in
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and you can fast charge your iPhone just like you can do roughly the same with the iPad Pro and USB-C
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I will say that that's nowhere near what Android phones can do, like with the USB-C stuff they charge so much faster than that
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so maybe that's why they're not heavily promoting it yet because it's not really fast charging
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it's faster charging
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I was asking about the portrait mode, right?
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So you get it on the iPhone 8 Plus also.
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But you don't get it on the 7 Plus, right?
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They're not adding these things to the 7 Plus.
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Even though they seem to just be software, right?
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This seems to be a software feature for that phone.
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But I think it's in the sensors that they're using for the new dual cameras.
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So I think that's the reason.
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I mean, it wouldn't be the first time that Apple is artificially...
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I don't think it's a problem.
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I don't think it's a problem.
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limiting a feature even if older hardware would be perfectly capable.
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You gotta sell your product, right? Like you've got to do that and sometimes it's
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the combo of software and hardware that you sell. No, but I mean it gets
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especially obvious when stuff like the first-gen 12.9-inch iPad Pro, if you just
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change a couple of lines in the iOS 11 firmware, you can use three apps at once,
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but Apple is artificially limiting the feature so that it only works on the
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second-gen 12.9-inch iPad Pro. But I think in this case for the portrait lining
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effects. I think it's down to the sensors in the camera. It's not just like
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marketing making a decision that no this feature must be on the on the new phone.
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I think it's actually in the sensor. So so we can move on to the X. I think my
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feeling on this is... I got one more thing on the 8 and 8 Plus. I think it's great that Apple is using the same
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system on a chip in all these phones. That like if if the X didn't exist the
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the 8 and 8 Plus is still a huge upgrade in performance
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over the 7 and 7 Plus.
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I was hoping for this, but I was a little nervous, right,
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that this would get, say, the A11,
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and then the high-end phone will get
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the X version of it, right,
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it's like a faster GPU or something.
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But the silicone is the same in all of these phones,
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and that means they're gonna age better,
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they're going to age more appropriately
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for a high-end phone.
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This is, if it weren't for the X,
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this would be the flagship,
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and it has all the power we expect
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in a flagship upgrade year over year.
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And that was encouraging to me,
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that Apple is taking this phone seriously.
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- Yeah, I would say that if you have upgraded,
00:38:09
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like any time during this iPhone 6 body generation
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of phones that we've had,
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you will be as happy upgrading to this phone
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probably as you've been upgrading to any others, because--
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- I think so.
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- It is a similar kind of bump that we've had
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over the last couple of years, right?
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It looks the same, the cameras are better,
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and it has some other cool features.
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You know, you get wireless charging,
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everything's faster, right?
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Like it feels like that. - True tone.
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- True tone?
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Actually, like the seven to the eight feels better
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than the 6S to the seven.
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- Yeah. - For sure, if you're right.
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- I think this is quite possibly for this design,
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like this iPhone 6 era design,
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this is as good as it gets.
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- Right, so yeah, this is it.
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This is the ultimate design of that.
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This is how good that is gonna get, right?
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Like that is as good as it will get.
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I think that they have managed that.
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I think adding glass back into that phone
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is gonna make it look really fancy again,
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you know, like in a new way.
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But let's talk about the 10.
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All right, just super quick.
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I keep saying X in my head.
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I can't help it. - Yeah, me too.
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- I can't help it, 'cause it says it right there, right?
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Like it says X, so I just keep saying X,
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because honestly, like personally, just I prefer X.
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I think it's cool in a weird way.
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I get why they've done 10, I get it,
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but I do personally wish that they called it X,
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and I will accidentally call this the iPhone X
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in a way that I never called it Mac OS X.
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- Yeah, totally the same problem, yes.
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I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do it all the time.
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- I was having a conversation with Steven Transmith
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yesterday over iMessage and he was telling me,
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look, they're gonna call it the iPhone 10
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because it's tomorrow's iPhone today.
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And I was like, sure, sure, it's a beautiful idea
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but iPhone X just sounds cool
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and they cannot possibly do the iPhone 8
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and the iPhone 10 in the same year.
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And I was so certain they were not gonna do the 10.
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And I was so surprised when they actually said
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I literally couldn't believe it that they actually went there.
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I was so sold on the idea, oh, they're going to do the iPhone X.
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So it sounds futuristic, it sounds cool, and it's a chance for them to reset the numbering.
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So next year, they're going to do iPhone X2 and iPhone X3 and iPhone X4, you know?
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And they just went in the opposite direction.
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They already solved this. This is a solved problem.
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problem it's gonna be 10.1 no then 10.2 Jaguar and 10.3 Panther. Let's bring the
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big cat names back. Time is a flat circle. It really is. If I was gonna make a super
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early prediction that I shouldn't make oh no I think that next year we get 9
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and 11 and then 12 they have two models I don't think there's gonna be a plus
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version next year I think they're gonna make an iPhone 9. I don't think that
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can I don't think that between now and then they're gonna be able to make a
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bigger phone in this form factor I just don't think it's gonna happen so they're
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not just gonna have one phone for sale which costs $1,000 I think that they'll
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make another version of the current design and then they'll make another one
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of this new 10 design but it will be the iPhone 11 and then there will be an
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iPhone 9. I just as we stand here today I don't believe that they will be able to
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make what is essentially the plus version of this phone within a year. I
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don't think they're gonna be able to do it because they seem to have struggled
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to put this one out right like it seems like it's gonna be constrained it seems
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like it was difficult for them to make right like it if you if you are to
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believe anything that you are to believe then that would be the case because I
00:42:02
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can tell you there is no way Apple wanted this phone to ship in November
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like why would they want to do that? They want it to ship now. Why would you do that?
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Why would you want it in November? You want to have it immediately for everyone, right?
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That's the whole point of doing the event. Like you have it available for pre-ordering
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in a week and you sell it the week after that. But they're not doing that. I really think
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that we're going to see a nine next year and I think personally, I think that's probably
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why they went with calling it 10 and nothing else because it's in the line but it's in
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the future and they're still going to backfill up until this point.
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Yeah, the idea of selling the phone from the future today is the perfect excuse to make
00:42:49
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it a more expensive phone because you're paying for the future and God knows what the future
00:42:55
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costs so it's okay for Apple to charge you over a thousand dollars for this.
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In the future, $1,000 isn't worth what it's worth now.
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You know, in the future, money loses all meaning.
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Inflation, you know, they're just charging inflation.
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They're preemptively charging for inflation in the markets. Makes sense. So, yeah, I was
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just surprised because I – and we go back to this discussion on the leaks and the rumors.
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Like macOS 10, which macOS 10 was already a thing when I came into the Apple ecosystem.
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So I had to learn the correct pronunciation of macOS 10 as I was learning the Apple world.
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But the iPhone X and iPhone X, it was rumored that I convinced myself in my mind before
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the event that was going to be the correct naming.
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And now it's going to be, I mean, maybe in a month we're not going to talk about this
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anymore, but I'm already hearing people.
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I mean my mother called me a couple of hours ago.
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She was like, "So what about the iPhone X?"
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And I thought, you know, this is gonna be a problem.
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Everybody's gonna call it the iPhone X.
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- Whenever, I think it was Tim that said the name,
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or whoever it was that said the name,
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when they said 10, I was like, "No!"
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I was like, "Why?
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"Why did you do this to me?"
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Like I don't dislike it.
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I don't dislike that it's 10,
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but my brain was already set on X.
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Like it's done. - Yeah, you mean the iPhone,
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The iPhone Tim, like Tim would say.
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- The iPhone Tim.
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The Tim phone.
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Yeah, okay, right, should we just get off this,
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start talking about it?
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Should we just stop talking about the number?
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- It's beautiful, it's a beautiful phone.
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- It's so beautiful.
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Oh my god, I want it so bad.
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I want it so bad, like just give it to me right now.
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Like I'm so sold on this.
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I know many people have many problems.
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We'll talk about some of those many problems.
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I don't see 'em.
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I just see this beautiful thing that I want.
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That I want so bad.
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And right, like I feel like we should probably
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just address this right now.
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Obviously all of us are not getting the eight plus.
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Right? - Nope.
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- So like plus club is over.
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Hashtag plus club is dead for now.
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We're gonna put it on a shelf.
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- Now it's the X Club.
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- I've thought about X Crew, hashtag X Crew.
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'Cause I don't wanna go for club
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'cause we already had a club.
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like we should be a crew now so I'm going with #Xcrew. We should be, maybe we should be a fam,
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you know? No I don't like that so much. The X fam. Personally I'm going with #Xcrew to replace the
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plus club. The thing is right, and people have been asking me this already about like oh obviously
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you're gonna stick with the plus because you love the plus so much. The idea of like plus club
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was never about just "I want to have a big phone."
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Like for me, you guys can chime in too, it was about "I want the best phone."
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And I believed personally the Plus to be the best phone.
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And it's not anymore, the X is better. And it's going to take some time for us,
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for all Plus users to like to get used to this new phone,
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right, because it seems like it's a compact design
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in UI, obviously the keyboard is going to be smaller,
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The screen is still big but it's big in a different way, right? Like it's tall not wide.
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I still think that I will get what mostly what I want which is good battery life. It looks like
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it's probably got like plus level battery life because it's what do they say two hours more than
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the seven so the battery life is going to be fine. And I'm going to get the two cameras which I
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really love and they're even better right because they're both optically image stabilized. That was
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That was a terrible way to say that,
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but you know what I'm trying to say.
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And you get a screen where I can see a ton of stuff on it.
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That's kind of all I really want.
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This is gonna be the best phone, so I'm gonna move to it.
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And then as soon as Apple make another one,
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and they make it bigger, that will probably be better,
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and then I'll move back to that one, right?
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- Yeah, that's basically my plan.
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Stick with the 10 as long as they make just one version,
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and whenever there's a bigger model, upgrade to that.
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Because I'm sure the screen on that phone
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is gonna be glorious.
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- Like six and a half inches or something.
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- Yeah, imagine like a plus with no bezel.
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I mean, that would be amazing.
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- So the two of you feel confident
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that there's a plus version of this new phone
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coming at some point.
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- Yeah, because I imagine they won't continue
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making the iPhone 6 design forever
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and they won't sell just one phone.
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This is why I think there'll be a nine.
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There will always be more than one phone.
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Maybe. I'm torn on that. I think maybe there's part of this that feels like I
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want there to be a bigger phone. Let me just state my preference before I say
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what I'm getting ready to say. But I can look at this phone and I could see the
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argument of saying this gives you the best of both the regular and the plus. So
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we just what we used to do with two phones because we had to we can do with
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one phone now with this new technology. So I think that you are right for now in
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in the same way that the screen was as big as we needed
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before there was a plus, right?
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Like the argument of like,
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oh, why would we have a big screen
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like those silly Android phones?
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I think it's the same kind of thing.
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It's just a reset.
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And after this becomes the norm,
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we'll want a bigger screen again.
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- But I think we're thinking ahead of ourselves here.
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Let's talk about the notch,
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or as Apple calls it, the sensor housing.
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a small, let's call the sensor,
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a small place where the sensors are placing the device.
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So all the folks that were saying Apple sure
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embraced the notch were right.
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Apple is most definitely embracing the notch
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and actually they have put out updated developer guidelines.
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They've even refreshed the WWDC app and developer portal
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with new videos and new guidelines.
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And they're explicitly telling developers,
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do not place black bars at the top to hide the corners,
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the rounded corners of the display.
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Do not place a black bar at the bottom
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to hide the home indicator.
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You should take advantage of the full screen of the iPhone X.
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- Yes, and I agree because I think it's one of those cases,
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you know, when Johnny Ive says,
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it's the purest expression of,
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I think this is totally correct.
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I think this is not marketing, this is true.
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I don't understand, actually I do understand,
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and I have some ideas, but the developers
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and the designers will, you know, on Twitter,
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if you scroll Twitter, especially what I call design Twitter
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there's a trend right now going on of designers
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posting mock-ups of what an iPhone 10 with black bars
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will look like and they will look better.
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- Oh, it would be so wonderful, no.
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No, no. - No, not at all.
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- No, no, because it's on principle.
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I don't want a screen that I'm paying for to be cut off.
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I want all of it.
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I'm buying this screen, goddammit,
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and I want to use all of that screen.
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- I know, so it just looks so much--
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- I don't, no, I don't, no, I don't, no.
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- It just looks more, it just looks more futuristic.
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- I think it goes back to
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a fraction of the design community
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that sort of looks back at the days of iOS 6
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iOS 5, the old Apple design, thinking that it still looks better than iOS 11, which I totally don't understand, but you know, everyone has different tastes.
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But I do believe that embracing the notch and having a full screen app design on the iPhone X looks so much better than faking a black status bar at the top.
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the top. I think the black status bar makes sense for some types of
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applications like photo editing apps for example, where you want a more you know
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maybe a more constrained space like you don't want to have any distractions on
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top of the on top of the app so it makes more sense for some apps but in general
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I think it looks so much better and so much it's just so cool when you look at
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the entire app UI that extends towards the top of the iPhone X.
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And I think Apple is right here.
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It's also really funny to me that a lot of criticisms right now is how bad everything looks in landscape.
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It's as if nobody's ever used a landscape iPhone before.
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It's always looked terrible, everyone.
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It's a... yeah.
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You don't know this because you also are diametrically opposed to having a Plus phone.
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Landscape iPhones, it's just not...
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No one uses it because it sucks, right?
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Like, because it's just not right.
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It's just not built right.
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Like, you know, I've used it every now and then, but everything's kind of awkward.
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Like it's never been a good experience.
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It's always been kind of terrible and kind of like an afterthought.
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It wasn't really the primary way of interacting with the phone.
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Even on the plus, you can tell it's an afterthought.
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Nobody builds stuff right for it because nobody uses it and et cetera, et cetera.
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Like saying how bad everything looks in landscape because of the notch.
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At that point, in my opinion,
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you're just looking for something.
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You're looking for a criticism to make,
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which is totally fine because you know what,
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you don't have to like it, but I do.
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I mean, my problem with a lot of this sort of stuff is like,
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and this is just a problem with the internet,
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where people just state something like it's a fact, right?
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Like your opinion is not fact.
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All of the stuff that I'm saying right now, it's my opinion.
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My opinion is all of this,
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But I know it can be super difficult to state this stuff about context, especially on Twitter.
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But it's just, you know, anything should rub you up the wrong way.
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And that's one of them for me.
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It's like, this is a fact that I'm stating.
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My fact is based upon my opinion.
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These are not the same.
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Myke, I think you in general have a problem with some type of memes from the Apple
00:53:02
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Yeah, I really do.
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I have shared beliefs.
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Uh-huh. Or like just shared phrases, terms, anything really. I have lots of, just lots
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of problems. Lots of them.
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You have lots of problems?
00:53:19
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I have lots and lots of problems.
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It's okay. It's okay. I mean, I can live with them. The problem is everybody else has to
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as well, because you have to listen to me talk about it.
00:53:30
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So anyway, the notch. You now have two Batman ears on the top of the phone.
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Do you know what's so great about that Federico? I love you so much, but to me it sounded like
00:53:41
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you said "bad man" and I was like "oh, hang on a second, we got a bad man in here, huh?"
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We got a bad man. So from the right side, they are kinda interactive in that you can
00:53:55
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can swipe down from them and the features that they activate have been
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splitting too. So the right side opens the new control center which doesn't
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come up from the bottom anymore, it comes down from the top, kind of like an
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Android phone. And the left side, it goes to the cover sheet which is the new
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notification center/lock screen of iOS 11. And you can swipe down in the middle
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of the screen as always to access Spotlight MKBHD. Very thankfully cleared
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one up for me. I have a lot of thoughts before we move on from this, this very thing.
00:54:32
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I just want to say that for Control Center I was hoping, I was maybe thinking/hoping that
00:54:38
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Apple would integrate Control Center with the app switcher like on the iPad. I think this looks kind
00:54:44
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of weird because I have never, I mean it's gonna take a while in terms of muscle memory to think
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that my flashlight I now need to swipe from the top of the phone it's also maybe gonna be more
00:54:54
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difficult to access I don't know. The flashlights on the on the locked home screen. I know I know
00:54:59
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it's also on the locked home screen so then maybe it's not a problem what about music playback or
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like the other shortcuts. Well yeah I mean well hopefully it would be showed there right if you're
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playing something already. I think I will get used to it anyway it's not gonna be a deal breaker
00:55:15
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But yeah, it's gonna be strange initially.
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Yeah, I think one of the reasons they did that is just because I can't imagine how they would have fit
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all of that on one screen like the multitasking and the control center because I bet you'd always be swiping the wrong way
00:55:28
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It's like the cards thing again
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You'd always be swiping and you're either looking for one or the other and which one does it show you?
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So at least with the control center as it's going to be
00:55:36
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Whilst it's a place to get used to it's a dedicated place that it always is and you will always get it
00:55:42
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You know what I mean?
00:55:45
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So in January 2016, actually on my birthday that year,
00:55:49
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oddly enough, I wrote what has to be the most unpopular thing
00:55:52
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I've ever published.
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Mainly because Gruber called it out.
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He disagreed with it.
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So I got emails for months.
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A few people telling me I was stupid.
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Talking about combining Control Center and Notification Center.
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Now this is obviously now a year and a half ago.
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So it's an older system, Control Center and notification
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center, different now, right?
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With cover sheet, I guess.
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But it is, I think, inherently odd
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that you pull down from the left bad man ear to get one thing,
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and you get another thing when you go right.
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And I don't know if the solution is combining them,
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or if you pull down and you swipe one direction,
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you get widgets, but you swipe the other way
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you get Control Center.
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It just feels very disjointed right now.
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And maybe it,
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I'm sure this is not the case,
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but it feels a little bit like they designed this phone
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and then they figured out,
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then they realized they had a retrofit control center
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And it feels a little hacky to have one thing on one side
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and one on the other.
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And then Spotlight is a third thing.
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Like why can't Spotlight live in some other place?
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Like it just,
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it feels like there's a lot going on
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with the gestures on this phone.
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We haven't even gotten to,
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When you go home, you swipe up,
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and those animations are weird too.
00:57:12
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There's a lot going on, there's a lot to remember.
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I'm sure we will all adjust, right?
00:57:16
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That's not my problem, we will all adjust to it.
00:57:19
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But I feel like there's a lot going on,
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and it's a little disappointing
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that they didn't take the opportunity
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to readdress some of this stuff
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and combine those now, like they did on the iPad.
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The iPad, for all of its pros and cons
00:57:30
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of the new multitasking system,
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having your multitasking and your control center together
00:57:35
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is actually pretty nice,
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'cause you just have this dashboard view
00:57:37
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of all the things you can do.
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and the iPhone doesn't have that,
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and on the iPhone X, it's even more fragmented
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than it was before.
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- I'm happy with it though.
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I mean, I wanna use it, but this makes sense to me
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because it's persistent.
00:58:00
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Like, the things that you were just recommending there,
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Steven, it's the same problem I have
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with the current control center, right?
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Like, combining it with widgets,
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it's like, just the idea of swiping
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and I never feel like I've got what I want
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and I can never remember which way I need to swipe.
00:58:16
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- Oh yeah, no, and I'm not saying that I have the answer.
00:58:19
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This is a hard problem.
00:58:21
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- This is a complicated thing, but I'm not,
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like what they did is probably the,
00:58:28
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even though there's a lot of gestures,
00:58:30
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it's probably the simplest from your perspective, right,
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that you don't have to mode switch
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once you've entered a new area of the UI,
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but I don't feel like they've quite hit it.
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- Yeah, I think the separation of the two sides,
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of course, makes it easier and makes it possible
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to do this kind of multiple gestures,
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because you know left is one thing and right is another.
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It would have been stranger
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if there was like an invisible separator between them.
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So I think the ears actually make this possible,
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make this better. I'm just curious, technically speaking,
00:59:07
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and maybe I should have checked in the simulator or in Xcode, but if
00:59:12
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you're using a left-to-right language, does the functionality reverse? Like the
00:59:19
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left side becomes control center and the right side becomes the cover sheet? I
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think so, because the entire UI kit should be flipped. That's interesting.
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I do wanted to ask you guys, do you think there will be a time in the let's say
00:59:36
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next three years, so by say 2020, are we gonna see an iPhone 10 like phone without
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the notch? I think that that is the ultimate goal. Yeah. To keep making that
00:59:53
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smaller and smaller until it's gone. That's how you take this phone to its
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end but they're not close to that yet because there's so much technology that
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has to be crammed into that thing and I think the goal will be how do we get it
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all under the screen yeah if you look at the the there one of their many
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confusing product pages there's a graphic of everything in that notch and
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I agree with you like there's a ton of stuff in there yeah and it is crammed
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packed it's actually probably a little surprising as it's as small as it is now
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I do think ultimately that, Federica, you're right, that they will get there.
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Is it in three years? I don't know, but I do think ultimately that's where they
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want it to be, and if they get rid of the notch and then they get rid of the bad
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All right, so face ID. Face ID is a pretty big deal, right?
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Yeah. I guess.
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I'll start with you, Steven. You're gonna miss the home button, do you think? What do you think?
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I don't I don't think so. I mean, so we talked about when we talked about this when this
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rumor first came out, and we made some predictions, and we all did terribly it. I think it's because
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we sort of lacked the the understanding of how this would work. And I think Apple did
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a good job at selling it selling it that it's easy to use. And that it is the things that
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that are not Touch ID related at the home button,
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they've moved other places.
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So the side button you long press for Siri,
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which seems like it's gonna be more accident prone.
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I'm curious to how that's gonna play out
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'cause with the 7, if it's in your pocket,
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you can't really do Siri accidentally
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because you can't press the button.
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But with this, it seems like that's gonna happen a bunch.
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I'm curious to see how that plays out.
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You can double tap the side button to do Apple Pay.
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You can still do the five press thing to enter SOS mode
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you can on the current phones under iOS 11. So the things that the home button
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has done they have moved elsewhere. The one feature as best I can tell and
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Federico maybe you know the answer to this I think reachability is gone I
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don't think I've seen where it goes. No it's gone it's no more yep. So rest in
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peace reachability. Rest in peace ability. Oh it's probably fine on a phone this
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size right like I miss it I don't know I thinks did you ever know I use it all
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the time really to bring notifications sent to them with one hand hmm I do use
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it sometimes I'll just that if I can't reach it I don't know I mean I don't
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know how this thing feels in the hand yet like I don't actually know how it
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feels it looks or feels in my hand maybe I can reach the entire screen just on my
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thumb who knows like I haven't I mean I don't have the context yet but
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But if I can't reach the notification center with just one hand, like if holding the hand
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that I'm holding, then I will miss reachability for that because it allows me to do that.
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But it is a dumb feature which they probably should get rid of, right?
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Because it's like, it's an embarrassing thing to have to add to a phone.
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Yeah, I mean, but yeah, I get that.
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But I do think, I mean, I don't use it, but it sounds like you do and you find it useful
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so that it's probably worthwhile.
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So I mean, so to kind of wrap up, it feels like they have built a case for these are
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all the things the home button used to do.
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And this is where they are now.
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They're either behind gestures, which you'll learn to figure out, or they're behind the
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aside button press.
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And they've kind of reassigned all those actions elsewhere in the phone.
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And so I think I'm I think I'm honestly going to be just fine.
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Many months ago, we made touch ID predictions.
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So like we've been talking for weeks about whether touch ID would go away or not.
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and we made predictions.
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There were three questions.
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One was if the iPhone 8 would feature a touch ID sensor
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on the back or embedded.
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Obviously this question was misguided
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considering what we know now.
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We were obviously all wrong.
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Me and Stephen thought it would go on the back.
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Federico thought it would go under the display.
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The answer is it doesn't exist.
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The second question was would Apple ditch touch ID
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because of hardware issues?
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We don't obviously know what the answer was.
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We all didn't think that Apple would do that.
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It will maybe never be known if they got rid of Touch ID
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because they couldn't do it,
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as opposed to wanting to go to Face ID, like we don't know.
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And would Apple ditch Touch ID in favor of another form
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of biometric identity for the iPhone 8?
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I said that I didn't think that Apple would have something
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that could be as secure as Touch ID.
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I was wrong.
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Steven said that he didn't think that Apple would do it
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because they spent so much time preaching the security of touch ID, so it would be too
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hard to remove it.
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And Federico was the only one of us who said, "Unless something new is safe or safer."
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So we had three predictions.
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There were nine possible right answers.
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We got one of them.
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So well done to us, I guess, especially Federico.
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There were nine possible outcomes and only one of those nine were correct.
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So we didn't do the best job there.
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But Federico, you got something right.
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I mean, if you look at the hard numbers that Apple presented yesterday, it sure seems like
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the Face ID is more secure than Touch ID because fewer people in the world could accidentally
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unlock your phone because they share the same facial features as yourself.
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Yeah, I mean there's some real like, but when they put the asterisk on there I'd love to
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know what those statistics are because they never said before, unless someone you live
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with has similar fingerprints to you, like that was never a thing that they spoke about,
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but they did say...
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They mentioned the...
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The genetics.
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Even if it was a joke.
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about the evil twin but that was not... I don't think that was meant to be a joke
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No. It was meant to be serious but presented in a lighthearted way. Yeah I'm really
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keen to understand like my brother who kind of looks a little bit like me can
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he unlock it? Like how close do you have to be? So I'm excited... not excited I'm
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keen to try that out right and see what that's like and I appreciate that they
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said it but like I would also like to know what those numbers are because
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those numbers they didn't share like what is the chances at that point
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because I bet it would be less than one in fifty thousand at that point because
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they had felt they needed to say it I can already kind of feel how the next
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iPhone gate will be about twins being able to unlock each other's iPhones
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especially yeah that's probably what it will be and get and twin gate twin gate
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That anniversary is coming up like next week sometime. Well, it's always gonna be whenever the iPhone come out, right?
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like oh yeah I guess that's a good do you want to talk about the the the fact that do you want to
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talk about the incredibly poor luck for Craig Federighi I very much the worst possible thing
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that could have happened during this presentation actually did happen yes so around the hour 36
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minute mark uh Craig Federighi goes to demo the iPhone 10 for the first time and as you it makes
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a lot of sense right he's got to pick it up and lock it with his handsome man face because
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that's the first thing you want to demo on this phone and it fails and so there's a screenshot in
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my blog post enter passcode your passcode is required to enable face id we have all seen
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messages like this a lot of people said what's what happens when your phone restarts that is not
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true that's not the language used when your phone restarts that language is touch id requires uh your
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passcode when iPhone restarts. It gives you the reason it is required. However, iPhones can enter
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this state where a PIN is required to authenticate before you can use a biometric authentication.
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If Springboard crashes, if you've installed a software update and haven't logged in since,
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that happened to me after the iOS 11 GM yesterday. I got this exact language on my 7 Plus.
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This is not what happened. I'm sure this phone was not put in SOS mode. But if a phone goes into SOS
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mode, it shows this error message. Or if touch ID can't match after several tries, so we've all done
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this, we got another shower, right? And we're all raisin-y and warm and cozy. And we go to unlock
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touch ID and it won't work. You can get this message. So all that to say something happened
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to this phone. I don't think it was restarted. But either the springboard crash while it was sitting
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there under a black cloth waiting for Craig to walk over to it, or in people getting it
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It tried to unlock on their faces a bunch of times and it couldn't do it and then entered
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But something happened.
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And the initial response was, oh my gosh, Face ID is broken.
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And like, it that's just not true.
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I think it's just bad luck that that this phone entered a state that it needed a pin
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before he could move forward.
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Federighi has come a long way from his shaky hand on the trackpad in the in the back to
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the Mac event in 2011.
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He said, Hey, we have a backup phone.
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He picks up the other phone, he unlocks it, he proceeds to unlock that phone several times,
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which seemed off script.
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But I think just to like reiterate, hey, this works, like, lock the phone, do it again.
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I did a couple of times during the demo.
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I think the first phone was just really bad luck.
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I'm sure it's embarrassing for Apple and the event team.
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I'm sure someone when that happened sort of sank through the floor they were standing
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on maybe someone got yelled at.
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There is a funny bit that happened years ago when Steve Jobs trying to import photos into
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iPhoto for the first time and the digital camera wouldn't come on and he throws it into
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the front row of the audience I guess to his assistant or somebody.
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Yeah it's great.
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We'll dig that up for the show notes but he just like chunks it and is like here fix this
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and then I think it happens again.
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So I think I think he should have untone the phone like chunked it off the side of the stage
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I think it would have been a really nice you dedicated the place of Steve Jobs throw something off the stage
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So it's all I want
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So anyways, I don't I think face ID is fine, I think this was just an incredible crummy piece of luck
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I think Federighi handled it. Well, yes, it's embarrassing for Apple. Yes
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It'll be kind of made fun of for a while with people who remember it
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But I don't like I'm not worried right that I'm gonna go use Apple pay at Whole Foods and I have to enter my pen
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Like it this is something that happened on stage happens in real life to us
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Randomly and it's unfortunate, but I don't think it's anything more than that
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That's all yeah, I'm not concerned about it like I think it is is what it is
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It will happen to me every few days because it happens to me every few days right now, right?
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Like I have to put my passcode in instead of my thumb. Like I'm not bothered about it
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There's something that I that I want to mention about the new unlocking process on the iPhone 10
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- So right now I see some benefits
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and some things I'm kind of concerned about.
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So the obvious benefit to me seems like
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when you're holding the phone
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and you're dealing with notifications,
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it's more convenient than ever
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because just by looking,
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you put the iOS lock screen in a locked state
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so you can fully interact with notifications
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and read messages, respond to messages and all that.
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But the fact that you need to, you know, there's a padlock icon now on the lock screen.
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It's a very big icon. And the animation for that icon to unlock is kind of slow.
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And it feels to me like the animation is actually slower than it takes for Face ID to authenticate you and to recognize you.
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So I wonder if the animation of the icon will cause the perception that Face ID is slower than Touch ID.
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And also I wonder if having to do the dance of look with your eyes open then swipe up
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It's gonna be slower than place your finger and click
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Am under the assumption that
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You are able to swipe the screen as
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You are raising it to your face and then look at it and it will go to the home screen
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Okay. I wonder how that works.
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Well because when you swipe up it will then say look to open.
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Or put in your passcode. Yeah, okay.
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Right, so this is something that I am under an assumption with which I am confident is based on true fact.
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So that will be a way that you'll be able to do the kind of unlock from the pocket, right?
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because this was my big thing, I unlock my phone, my phone's on the home screen before
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it gets to my face because I just unlock it as it's coming out of my pocket, right, so I just press the home button or whatever
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this is a way, it might be a bit slower, but a way to kind of mimic that so I don't feel like I'm always look, swipe, like I want to swipe and look and then get there
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and it seems like that is going to be a thing that is possible
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but you know the thing about the animation?
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I would maybe, if that's the case, right, like I would maybe say that the animation is taking as long as it takes the system to do what it's supposed to do.
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Rather than the system is waiting for the animation to complete.
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It wouldn't be, there's precedent for that though. It wouldn't be the first time that IOS animation framework is actually slower than it takes the system to perform a feature.
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So, we'll see. Obviously this phone is not coming out until November and I think it's going to run probably iOS 11.1.
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So Apple has plenty of time to tweak things.
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And I mean, maybe we'll even see some leaks from iOS 11.1, who knows?
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Maybe we'll know more in a few weeks.
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But yeah, overall, I think I'm a fan. I was talking to some friends and my girlfriend
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and my mom about this. First question is, Face ID is super cool. You look at your phone
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and it understands your face. I feel like when people hear that Apple did some tests
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with photographs and videos and masks and it uses the depth information and the lasers
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to make sure they're actually looking at a real human being. They're not being spoofed
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by these other authentication tricks.
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It needs your attention and all the work.
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And it needs your attention. And everybody says that it's super cool. Like the invisible
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lasers and the 30,000 dots on your face. That's amazing. There's an element of that's kind
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of creepy but I think we all had the same reaction four years ago when Touch ID first
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It was kind of creepy that a company can now read my fingerprint.
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And of course it all comes down to the secure enclave and the way that Apple deals with
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this information.
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So I think the creepiness factor won't be an issue at all.
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If anything I think Apple will probably have a PR problem with the identical twin stuff
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and they're maybe sort of trying to get ahead of the problem
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by talking about it at the keynote.
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But I think overall, this idea is super cool.
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It looks, sounds, and it works futuristically.
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So I think it's the perfect compliment
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to this kind of futuristic phone.
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- All right, there's, oh my gosh,
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there's still so much more to go on this.
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about the iPhone, we'll call it 10?
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Yeah, we'll call it 10, right?
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10, 10 is the agreed upon?
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10 is the agreed upon. - 10, yes.
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So the cameras on the iPhone X, I don't know if either of you understand this more than
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me but it seems like they're the same but with optical image stabilisation on both,
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like are there any other differences?
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I don't really understand.
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So the X and the 8 Plus both have the new 12 megapixel sensor, it's also true on the
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the 8 but the plus and the 10 have the dual camera system with the telephoto lens.
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And they're both 12 megapixel now right? They weren't both 12 megapixel before.
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I think so yeah. The differences between the plus and the 10 is that both lenses on the
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10 are optically image stabilized. So before just the regular lens was and the telephoto
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wasn't. So this would make portrait stuff and zoomed in video smoother which is good.
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The other slight difference is the aperture's
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a little bit better on the X than the Plus,
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but it's a pretty minor change.
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I think, again, going back a step,
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eight versus 10, the 8 Plus has an amazing camera system,
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and the 10 is only a little bit better.
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If you're looking at the 8 or 8 Plus,
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I don't think you have to be super sad
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about the camera system you're not getting on the X.
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- Real-time follow-up, the 7 Plus,
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both of them are listed as 12 megapixel as well.
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- Well, there you go.
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they're apparently they're new and they've got stuff in them.
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But yeah, I don't, I mean, looking at it,
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it's like the difference is the new one has a 2.4 aperture
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on the telephoto, the old one had a 2.8,
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and then it's digital optimized,
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no, just a dual optical image stabilization
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and a true tone flash with slow sync, whatever that means.
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They're the differences. - I don't know what
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that means, but a better flash.
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- And apparently they've got a bunch of sensors in
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which are enhanced by, what do they call it kids?
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- Neural networks.
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- There you go, neural networks, machine learning.
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That's in the camera now.
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- It's everywhere.
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- Bionic, ISP.
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- Bionic, that's fun.
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- Apple's building their own, we skipped over it,
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but Apple's building their own GPU and ISP now,
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'cause the power of VR stuff's gone.
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- Internet service provider is my understanding
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of that phrase.
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- Image system processor.
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- Image system processor.
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- Yeah, so that's all good stuff.
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So they can do more fancy stuff.
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Front camera you can do on the 10, you can do the depth stuff because they have all the
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stuff for the face ID.
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So even though it doesn't have two cameras.
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Selfies are gone, it looks so good guys.
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Yeah, Snapchat games gonna go way up if you're young and into that sort of thing.
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Like me being in Federico?
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Yeah, like you in Federico.
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Yeah, y'all should be in your 20s.
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Not much longer.
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I look at this phone and I'm so blown away by the beauty of it.
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I don't want to put it in a case and I'm really concerned about my opinion and my feelings
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about this. Well AppleCare+ is $200 on this phone. $200! Because it's glass, that's why.
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I mean it's strong glass but it's still glass, right? So it's, that's more than the 8 and
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8 Plus, even though the Plus, AppleCare+ - that's really a confusing sentence - is more expensive
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than on the 7 Plus. God, names. Oh gosh darn it. I assume it's because if you smash the
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OLED screen it's just more expensive. Oh man. They said the glass is harder than what they've
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put up on previous phones.
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See the back glasses, it's got a steel reinforcement
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under it to help keep it stiff.
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But yeah, people are gonna break it.
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I am not gonna put a case on it 'cause I'm not an animal.
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My phone has been naked basically the whole time
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I've had an iPhone and I will continue that tradition.
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The only question is what color to get.
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But no case here in my life, no case.
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- What do you wanna do Federico?
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Well I think I'm gonna go with the obvious choice which would be 256GB black.
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I mean that's, you know, I guess it's the most expensive one, no the most expensive
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one is the 512 model.
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No it's not a 512.
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Okay so the best one, yeah.
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So are you gonna put a case on it though?
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What about the folio?
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At least initially I will not.
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I will try to see, I mean obviously I'm going to get AppleCare so I will see if I can survive
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without a case.
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But I don't want to do the folio because I don't see the phone as an iPad.
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Also I'm not the kind of business user I don't think.
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You got to put your debit card in there for fast access.
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Yeah sure sure.
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Apple pay fix that now that's the sweet irony of apples yeah apples basically
01:24:50
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built a wallet case you're like a book use Apple pay properly because your card
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will be trying to talk to the reader I'm sure they've the cards on the front of
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the phone and if he's in the back I'm sure they've worked that out you can't
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have them stacked on top of each other though you'd have to have it opened to
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use it? Maybe. No that's how NFC works. Like if you have two cards on top of each other
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and try and put them against the reader it just doesn't know what to do. You have to
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like separate them. So you would have to open the folio every time you wanted to use Apple
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Pay and leave it open when you scan it. So you'll be doing it with like two hands like
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a little book. Like you'll walk into the checkout with a book in your hand and you're putting
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it against the card reader. There's a word of warning to all of you folio fans out there
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hashtag folio fam the folio fans the iPhone 10 beats MacBook Pro in geek
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bench tests it beats the 13 or no Pro in geek bench tests so your new phone will
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be faster than your new laptop what does that really mean though it doesn't mean
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anything because I'm just gonna preempt a ATP I'm sure they're gonna talk about
01:26:07
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this for four hours. I don't think it really matters because the type of task even on an iPad,
01:26:15
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the type of tasks that push an iPad or is different from the type of tasks that push a Mac
01:26:20
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like there's some overlap right like Jason Snell is editing podcasts on iPad because he's a crazy
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person. But most people don't do that. And like, it's great if you're doing that sort of like
01:26:30
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hardcore production on iOS, but 99% of iOS users don't. And even the stuff Federico does, it's
01:26:37
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pushing the CPU and GPU more than most people do. But I think they're so
01:26:42
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different like oh my god the ARM processor is faster than the MacBook Pro.
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That doesn't mean we're gonna have a MacBook Pro with ARM because it may be
01:26:49
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faster but there's still a hundred other problems with putting this chip in a Mac.
01:26:53
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Like you don't have thunderbolt. All the stuff we talked about you know
01:26:56
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thunderbolt you know Windows support all you have to have developers recompile
01:27:00
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their stuff which they're not gonna do because they don't care about the Mac.
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like I don't see it happening. It's more for me
01:27:06
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lol Intel that Apple's custom
01:27:09
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assumingly much smaller team than what Intel has like I'm sure Apple's CPU team is a much smaller group of people than all of Intel and
01:27:18
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They're getting it handed to them, but I don't think it is a big deal
01:27:23
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It's no big of it. It's no bigger video than it was before this I don't think
01:27:28
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Are you both worried about how many animated emoji you're gonna get from me?
01:27:33
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I'm definitely gonna block you and I message I am gonna this is it now
01:27:37
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This is this is the pinnacle of everything its emoji stickers, which I've always wanted
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I've always wanted to have to be able to use emoji like stickers
01:27:45
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But now I can make them do whatever I want. I can make them make any type of face
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You know, I can make an angry robot. I can make a happy monkey. I can make a perplexed chicken
01:27:56
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Anything I want to do I can do it. I'm so excited about this
01:28:00
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I may just send all of my messages as audio messages recorded through the face of
01:28:06
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A unicorn that might just be the way I communicate with people in 2017
01:28:10
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No, I want you to be the chicken Myke. Yeah
01:28:14
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I I feel like I need to spend some serious time choosing what my one will be
01:28:19
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Right, like I think everybody needs to go through this
01:28:21
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They even did it on stage right where would it Tim was the alien and what did what did Craig Craig's Fox?
01:28:29
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It was the Fox course obviously
01:28:31
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So I'm gonna need to spend some serious time looking through this. I haven't seen anywhere yet. Like what the full list of emoji is
01:28:39
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So so if you go to Apple newsroom
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On the iPhone 10 page. I think there's a list of there's 12 of them
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I think because they said they have about six or seven of them as gifts. I
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will put the Fox one in the show notes so we can see that on the show notes page
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for this this episode. Okay I'm trying to find this list now I don't see it.
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I think there's like 12 of them. Okay. What's interesting it's an
01:29:10
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iMessage app like it's not in the emoji keyboard. It makes sense to me.
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I think so too and I think you know they're still trying to make I message apps a thing but
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It is what it is
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I'm very excited about an emoji guys. I really really really really am like very very excited about it like
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it was it was the first time that I
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Did I that I generally love that?
01:29:36
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Laughing my butt off I was especially
01:29:42
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I did not expect Johnny to do the demo of the animoji and that was, you know when you
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when you get the feeling that you know someone and that person tends to be a very serious,
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very composed person and then suddenly they do something funny and it's funnier than it
01:30:02
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should be because you never see them in that light. Because it's so out of character for them.
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Yes, and that's exactly what happened to me with Johnny yesterday.
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He was doing the monkey, the monkey animoji and I was like, this is, this is just so funny.
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It's like, you know, good times at the, during the Apple video, you know, the white, the white room
01:30:24
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is funnier than usual. The white room got some character in it and those characters were animated
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monkey faces. I'm really excited about this feature. Like, this is something that people
01:30:35
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people are going to go crazy for, I think.
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And I'm very, very, very excited to play with it.
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- You know, even technically speaking,
01:30:43
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it's quite the accomplishment from Apple
01:30:45
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because they're using the new face recognition APIs.
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And I guess they're also available with ARKit,
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you know, all the detection points that developers
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can request to form this approximation of your face.
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And they're also doing some stuff, I guess, with Metal 2
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and maybe sync it to animate the Animoji on screen.
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So if you look at the leaks from the iOS 11 GM
01:31:12
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from last week, all the Animoji were low poly versions,
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so very low polygon count.
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And I believe Apple is doing some hardware tessellation
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to smooth all the surfaces out and make the polished,
01:31:27
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you know, rounded fully 3D Animoji
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that we have on the iPhone 10.
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So that's kinda awesome from a technical perspective too.
01:31:35
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It's a silly feature, but it's very nicely done
01:31:39
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from a technical perspective.
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And it's also interesting--
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- This is not silly.
01:31:42
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This is deadly serious.
01:31:43
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- It's serious too.
01:31:45
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I mean, I think it's gonna sell iPhones, honestly.
01:31:48
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And it's gonna make for some amazing commercials.
01:31:52
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- Yeah. - Yeah.
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I am very excited.
01:31:55
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- This isn't in the notes, but iOS 11
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does not have Apple's new emoji.
01:32:02
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It's gonna be, assuming later,
01:32:03
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maybe in 11.1 with this new phone.
01:32:06
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Is that a, I was gonna ask you, is that a break?
01:32:10
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Has it been on a minor update
01:32:11
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or have they been in major releases the last couple years?
01:32:13
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I just couldn't remember.
01:32:14
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- No, they've been in the like 10.2, 10.3, 10.2,
01:32:19
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I think actually, yeah.
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Like a couple of months later.
01:32:22
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- This isn't a break from precedent then.
01:32:24
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- Yeah, I mean, you know,
01:32:27
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You have to wait for your elf emoji, which is coming with the next version.
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I just want the mind blown one.
01:32:34
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iOS 11 comes out next week.
01:32:36
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How are you feeling for the week?
01:32:41
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Do we need to talk about it?
01:32:45
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I mean, we can just gloss right past it and pretend it's not happening if that will make you feel anything.
01:32:49
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No, I just wanted to say that, of course, the final week is sort of a rush to get everything done.
01:32:55
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there's still bugs to be fixed, screenshots to be taken, and this year we're working on new
01:33:02
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extras, new avenues to be explored, so we're also trying to finalize that and more more
01:33:10
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shall be revealed next week on connected and on max stories and everywhere hopefully.
01:33:18
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And, but yeah, obviously, you know, six days left means not much sleep will be experienced
01:33:29
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Odd way of saying that.
01:33:32
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It's very weird.
01:33:34
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This is a real roundabout.
01:33:36
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What day does it come out?
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Is it Tuesday the 19th?
01:33:44
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hopefully a couple of hours before Apple pulls the switch so people have time to
01:33:49
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check out the review before they rush to update everything. Yep.
01:33:54
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It's a big day. It's a good review. It's good. Very exciting. Yeah.
01:34:00
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Alright so we are actually out of time for today. Mostly because Federico has an
01:34:07
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espresso deficiency right now or something and like there's some words
01:34:11
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words that are needed. I'm not 100% sure of the reason, I just know that there's
01:34:15
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some kind of real emergency in regards to I think the sleep that Federico has put into
01:34:21
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his body or something. Something. His word is in some way like that. So we're gonna
01:34:25
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hold talking about the Apple Watch and the Apple TV to next week, along with talking
01:34:32
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about iOS 11. So we've still got an action packed show. I mean there's so much stuff,
01:34:37
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why not spread it out? We've got a few weeks that we need to fill here before the
01:34:41
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products come on to our doorstep so we'll talk about the Apple Watch and our opinions
01:34:46
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on the Apple TV next week. If you want to find our show notes for this week head on
01:34:50
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over to relay.fm/connected/159 you can find Federico at maxstories.net you should keep
01:34:57
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your eyes locked to max stories over the next week or so because there's lots of cool stuff
01:35:01
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happening Federico is @Vittici on Twitter V I T I C C I Stephen is at iasmh and you
01:35:08
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You can find his work over at 512pixels.net.
01:35:10
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I know that Steven has finished work on his High Sierra review but that doesn't come out
01:35:14
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until what, the 25th?
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The 25th, so I got a couple of weeks but yeah it's ready to go.
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You're the lucky one.
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You can find me, I am @imyke on Twitter and yes I do have a cold and yes I am sorry about
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Thanks again to our sponsors this week, the fine folk over at Encapsula, Hover and Blue
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Apron and we'll be back next time.
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Until then, say goodbye guys.
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