164: My Mother Has a Bunch of Keyboards
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From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 164.
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Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace, Timing, and Encapsular.
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My name is Myke Hurley, I am joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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Hello Michael.
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And Mrs. Eva Hackett.
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We're all together.
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So I should probably say, hello everybody.
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(audience applauding)
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So we're in Chicago at the Release Notes Conference
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and we're recording live together.
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And as I was introducing everybody,
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so as we're sitting down today,
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we're all sitting down at a table right now,
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and I have a mental image in my mind
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of where Federico and Steven sit at all times.
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Which I've only just realized today,
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and then they wouldn't sit that way,
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so they sit the other direction.
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So when I was about to introduce Federico,
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I pointed at Steven.
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- I thought it was a fake out.
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No, and then I have to point right the way back again.
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Because you're in the wrong places.
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You're in the wrong places.
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But yeah, we are in Chicago.
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We've had a great few days.
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We went to the movies together, and we saw Blade Runner.
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That was nice.
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And then IMAX screens are huge.
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It's incredible.
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They're so big, and it's really loud, but that was nice.
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And we've got the release notes conference coming up.
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We went to Field Notes together.
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It was really nice.
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It's been a lovely weekend together.
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Yeah, it has been.
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But we have--
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We have work to do.
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Oh, I missed my cue.
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- Follow up.
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I can't go that deep.
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- Follow up.
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- So we're gonna start with emergency bypass.
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Last week, or like two days ago
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when we recorded the show last time,
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we talked about this feature in iOS 11
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where you can have a contact do something
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with Do Not Disturb, I don't know.
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Kyle said it was new, but Kyle was wrong.
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This is really the follow up, is that Kyle was wrong.
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- Casey Litt, that can't be a real name.
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Casey Litts.
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- It's a K and then a C.
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A.C.Liss wrote about this in 2016 and was personally offended that I didn't remember.
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Sorry Casey.
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He was re-upset.
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He's like, "You don't read my blog," he says, and then sends a link to us in our Slack,
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which we then have to talk about on the show.
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So he'll be vindicated about the fact that we've now read his blog.
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He wrote his own CMS, he's very proud of it.
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He should be.
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We had some follow-up on the Pixel Buds.
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So the Google event, they had this really, I thought, a very pretty cool demo where they
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their earbuds and someone was talking into the phone and they heard it in
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their language and they talked in their language and it came out English through
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the speakers of the phone back to the other person so you can just have this
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conversation very complicated but cool and we got a couple pieces of feedback
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saying that can't iOS do this with the Google apps and so we tried it because
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their pods turns out we know somebody who speaks another language besides just
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English I'm learning Romanian this true it's true yeah and that's actually how
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we did test it was I said some Romanian things that is actually true the way
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that we did it even though we have Federico in the room because me and
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Federico we mean Steven wanted put this in a document me and Federico we felt
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adequately trouble shooted shot trouble trouble shot it trouble shot is that is
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that it treble shade yeah and so we felt like we knew what would happen is that
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if you had the air pods in it would only ever play the audio through the air pods
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So it's never gonna play out the speaker to the other person Stephen was unhappy about the fact you have to be thorough
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We had not correctly troubleshooted it. So we then tested it and it wouldn't work
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so the way what would happen is if you had the air pods in and
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You're having somebody speak to you. You would hear the audio
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But then when you did the translation the other way you still hear the audio there's a solution to this
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You share air pods you say there's I would never do it because it's disgusting but you take your
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Really disgusting you put it in their ear like everything is wrong
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Now we're communicating air pods are brilliant, but they are horrible your ears very soft. Please don't touch it
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Why is it so sweaty?
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People here and this would be cool though, and it seems like something I mean the
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obviously Google is doing special stuff for the audio routing to make this work and
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Then I let Google do that like Siri you should be able to do
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Something like this would be a great feature for iOS to have Siri could do that
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They could do that exactly because it's so I mean I can just picture so many times. It'd be useful
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So anyways so Google Google can't do it on iOS, but so we tested it so you don't have to worry
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I made sure that we did our jobs correctly trouble shout
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troubleshooting
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Mm-hmm we did want to briefly mention our friends at app camp. They have an Indiegogo page up right now
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It's called app camp 2020. They are trying to
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expand into three more cities and
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We just can't say enough great things about app camp
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I know they're so close to the heart of of the community that we're a part of the Apple community
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There'll be a link in the show notes. If you haven't read about this project. It's incredible review. Yeah, what's wrong with you?
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First of all, mm-hmm five little pixels in your home page. I linked to it days ago. Yep, you did
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That's where I got the the link for the show someone reads it. So go check it out send some money their way
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It's just a great a great way to be involved. There's there's pucks
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It's it's like a you know, it's a regular crowdfunding campaign
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If you give enough Jean will tattoo the app camp logo on your body directly. Yeah, okay
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It's a lot of money you have to give
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But she probably would do it if you asked nicely. It's fine. Mm-hmm. Homemade tattoo is not a good idea
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Mm-hmm. Now we have an audience with us today. Oh, I need to ask a question
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I would like to see if we can get some audience participation for this next question and follow on Oh No, so audience
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Audience, does Google Docs have drag and drop?
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Everyone's shaking their heads, everyone's really upset.
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We can't hear the upsetness unless you say it.
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Let's try it again.
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Audience, does Google Docs have drag and drop?
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There you go.
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Thank you, Alan.
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That felt good.
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I heard just Alan Pike in my head.
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Yeah, it was really loud.
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I have some very special follow-up.
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Steven's laptop is broken.
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The iKey fell off.
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I should have brought it with me. It's on top of my dresser and my Airbnb so I don't lose it
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So Stevens keyboard just emits this little light now. You can show it to everybody
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There is no IKEA on the laptop anymore
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Steven is just beautiful. I can tell that someone who's used a broken MacBook Air for three years
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That is just perfect. It's wonderful. Do you know what doesn't break smart keyboards don't break
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There's a lovely fabric and it keeps the keys on.
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- It's gonna bend. - And it doesn't make
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a horrible noise and the keys don't get stuck.
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- I've learned that I hit the I key in the corner apparently
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'cause it works if I press the center of it really hard.
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And so all of our texts this weekend,
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if I've been on my computer,
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but I wrote an article yesterday morning
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and there were no I's in it.
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I rewrote a sentence to avoid saying the word I.
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- The letter I. - The letter I.
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Well-- - Oh, it was that.
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I can't see what you're doing. - The letter and the word.
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Thank you, Style Guide.
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- So here's the thing.
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I'm fed up with this laptop.
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- So I have a little bit of an announcement
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to make live on the show.
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- No, but I am, I do have another computer
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that I'm gonna use tonight.
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Done with this. - What is going on here?
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- Oh no, I didn't know he died.
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- Did you know about this?
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- No, I have no idea. - Did you know about this?
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- What's he doing?
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- What is he--
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- Steven's rustling around in a bag right now
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for the audio. - Is this unscripted?
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- He's taking way too long to get this done.
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Oh no! - No!
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(audience cheers)
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- Okay, so this is a iBook G3.
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- There's a Blueberry claim show iBook G3.
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- He's legit like getting a power cord for this now,
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'cause I expect it won't last more than 20 minutes.
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- Does Google Docs work on that?
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- I have a text file of the Google Docs
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saved on the desktop already.
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- That's why you did that.
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I get it, 'cause earlier he was like,
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"Oh, just for safety reasons, in case we lose all internet connection, I'm going to save a text file of our show notes."
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That's why they walked in and I saw a USB key into his computer.
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Garbage magnifier.
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Someone just walked in and is hacking, Steven.
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I cannot believe you're doing this.
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So I went through airport security with two laptops in my bag. You're not supposed to do that.
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That's barely a laptop, though.
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They pulled it out and they were like, "What fresh hell is this?"
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It's, to answer I know there's a lot of burning questions about this. Let me give you some
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specs of my new laptop. You can't stop me. These show notes look so bad on this, like
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so bad. What font is that? I don't know. 300 megahertz PowerPC G3. That's enough. 576 megabytes
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of RAM because I have five of these. I pulled RAM out of another one to upgrade this one.
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And what is wrong with you?
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Please like and subscribe to my youtube channel
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And it's running Mac OS 10 point two point eight it makes so much noise when you click it
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Yeah, it does. I was going to bring the orange one because it looks cooler
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But the hard drive failed when I was installing it was 10
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So I brought the I brought this one so now I have to scroll to where we are
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I legit had we had no what we had no I
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Had this was really afraid you're gonna pick up my backpack and ask why it weighed 14 pounds. Yeah
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I'm ready to go now. All right, so
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That's better should take our first break so we can all calm down a little bit from this
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Little update mm-hmm my laptop also has a handle
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That's really good in case you to get up go to the back of the room. Yeah point we can do that now Oh
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Google home mini
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So let's get into this a little bit how many and you I see bullet points in your iPad that weren't here when I copied
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Oh, no, so I'll take care of it so I think we
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And we spoke pretty well about this product last week the Google home mini aside from it having that weird fabric covering that all
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These products seem to have now. Oh, we have some follow-up on that. Most speakers have cloth over the over the speaker part, right?
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But these aren't just speakers though, like they're not
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Whatever like whatever everything's getting this this cloth now anyway
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Artem rusakovsky of Android police was writing a review of the Google home mini
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Which is the little puck thing that they have now and realized that it was recording constantly
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Google recognized there was an issue with the sensor that they have on the top
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So you have the sensors and you compress it to talk into it or to turn the volume up and down and they said they
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Would issue a software patch to fix this problem then a few days later
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They said actually we need to disable that sensor permanently
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So if you have one of these now you cannot operate the sensors and I love my favorite part of the press
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Comment that Google gave it's like but everybody loves to just do it with their voice anyway, then why did you ever include the button?
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Right like if nobody ever uses it. Why is it there so if you have one of these you now cannot control the
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Anything with hardware except you can mute it on the back. That's the only thing that still works
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There is no word on whether this feature will ever return and Google is just saying to use your voice because it's a hardware like
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It's a hardware problem creating the worst software problem imaginable on a voice assistant
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Yeah, I assume they they tried to tweak it right like there's maybe some sensitivity stuff
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They could do some firmware stuff
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Maybe you get an exacto knife and cut the cloth away, and it would work
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Maybe that'll be the maybe they're just post everybody out. It's an actual like you make an actual patch because the patch
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Real good, that's really good
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That's considering you didn't have these notes. You didn't write that in advance now very proud of you right now
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I'm literally here all week though. So I think that like
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Stop laughing at him
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So I think that like
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What Google have done it is fine like whatever not their response was appropriate. Their response is appropriate. I
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Really wish it wasn't Google though
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Because like if anything like this happens to Google, you know
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Everyone's just like listen everything you have to say right like it's any other company would have been fine, but like Google why?
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Like you know how people feel about you like it really frustrated
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They did say they've ensured they deleted all of the audio from the capture by the defective models
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But then I'm still like but did you though right? It's like even now I'm like but did you know it's just looks
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I think it's important to note -
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It's believed that the vast majority if not all of the models affected were given to press
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Before and so if you go out and buy one and I don't give them away
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They come in New York and stuff and a bunch of places up these like pop-up shops and donut shops
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And that's you really go in and they just go to the mic yet and they would even like it
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And it was like a like a lucky dip type thing
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You would either get a donut or a Google home if you were really hungry and you were sad you got to eat the Google home
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So yeah, but it's gonna run a software update if you buy one and you're gonna be fine
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But yes, it's it's the worst thing that happened to buy a thing and then have all the buttons to say well
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But it arrives to you. I mean, that's how I feel about my MacBook Pro exactly
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It's the same thing so I got a scroll down if we're moving on yeah minute
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I'm ready. Is this not I guess this doesn't have any way to like no swipe on the right you have to click
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Do you have multi touch on that?
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No, no trackpad super small and a super small the keyboards really good though
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No keys have fallen off. This came out in 1999, has 100% of the keys.
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MacBook Pro 2016, eh, some of them.
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Alright, I'm done. I'm done making fun of the MacBook Pro.
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Let's talk about something called Drag and Drop and an app called Bear.
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I don't know anything about any of these things.
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So there's this new update to Bear, the note-taking app for iOS.
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Is it like Evernote?
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Except no workshop.
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Oh man, I need that.
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There's a bear instead of an elephant.
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It's pretty good.
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It's all animals.
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- It's good. - They have long memory.
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- If Apple Notes was gonna be an animal, what would it be?
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It's yellow, that rolls it down, that mirrors it down.
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Maybe a giraffe? - Giraffe.
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- Maybe giraffe, yeah.
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- 'Cause it's kinda yellow and got some brown in there.
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- Or a lion, could be lion. - A lion.
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- Lion's good. - Anyway.
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- Sorry. - No, let's keep talking
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about yellow animals.
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Canaries, canaries are yellow.
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- Yeah, Myke. - Chicks,
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like little baby chicks. - Baby chickens,
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oh, baby chickens are adorable.
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- Little baby chick's a good one.
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What was that one?
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Canaries are yellow.
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Peeps, the weird Easter candy.
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They're yellow animals though.
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I mean, we can go on.
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Do you have any more?
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Okay, then you can carry on.
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Tell us about Bear.
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So, now that I've had the time to actually work on iOS 11, they launched this first update
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last month, and they had this basic drag and drop support.
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You can drag in text, you can drag up text and images and the basic stuff.
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Now they have this sort of special feature. They call it the drop bar which by the way, there's this meme
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I don't know. It's basically like this
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Mythical creature from Australia. It's called the drop bear
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Yeah, and that would have been just amazing in the app, but they call it the drop bar which so close
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So here's the thing here. It's this animal that kind of jumps from trees and kills you. Yeah
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I know this is gonna play into your thoughts about how I relate to the internet. I have no idea what you're talking about
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about oh it was like audible gasps computer to find some stuff out
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didn't even connect to the internet I mean it can I installed an airport card
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it's optional oh god what do you do let's see anyway anyway yeah so now
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Basically you can pick up notes from there and when you start dragging you
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get this little floating menu at the bottom and you can drop in a note and
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when you do so you get this bunch of special features like multiple notes as
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well. You can do the multi-select with native drag and drop on iOS 11 and you
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get all these features like you can pin a note to the top of your list you can
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copy, you can put them in trash, you can export in multiple formats and my point is that it's
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fascinating to me that we've seen like multiple waves of drag and drop support
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like as soon as the I mean with some exceptions like Castro for example yeah
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oh she's sitting right there Castro is unbelievable drag and drop it's one of
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its because it's like with bear I think everybody assumed drag and drop is
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purely like take this thing take it to another place sure like that was how I
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think it was Apple spent time showing it but there's so many things you can do
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inside of your app if you think about it right yeah and bear done that whether
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it's like reordering of multiple items in a list that's like an easy one that's
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the real drains like an easy way the kibitz an obvious one yeah but the idea
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of like taking a bunch of notes dropping them to a place and performing bulk
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actions on them like that's really cool yeah and and it kind of shows how there
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can be like multiple levels of updates throughout time as developers familiarize
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with iOS 11 all the features but also you can now do things like from Safari
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you can select text and that may be rich text with images and headings and you
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know links for example formatting you drop it into bear and it converts from
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HTML and rich text whatever it's called to the native markdown format which is
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amazing which is really nice like I don't know if you Mac users know but
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like for us iOS users stuff like that is really useful otherwise we'll be
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sitting there and you have to like you just have to reformat it by hand which
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typically is how we do things but now we get doesn't it automatically if you
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strange that we're sort of so happy for rich tech support well I mean but hey
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tech support is so but does that have rich tech support Steven yes it does
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Wow look at you we're only like 16 years behind but there is this look there is
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like a meme in, no it's fine, this is one I'm okay with, in like the developer
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community like when something is announced it's like we know it's gonna
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be one thing but when developers have time to live with it it can be something
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more right like it's like what happens over time is more interesting than
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what happens like initially so it's like the same with like the iPhone 10 is the
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designs are gonna be just like we need to support this make sure that we fill
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screen up, let's get it out there, but then after a few months we might, and I
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believe we'll start to see a lot more tailored design for the notches, the
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bad man is. So and then that was a slow burn, but they got it. I want to talk about
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the watch app there as well because they have just introduced a watch app with
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this new release which is super simple, you just dictate notes to it,
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you can create notes and append to notes and if you have both apps open for a
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while and let it sync you can also append to notes that already exist so it
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loads them all in but what notes you can create on the watch you can then just
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append to them super simple but it works independently from the iPhone so with
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the LTE watch over Wi-Fi it works and this is great because last week I was
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swimming and I had a great idea and I was like I'll open the Apple notes app
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on my watch that doesn't exist which I thought was an obvious one that seems
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like a real obvious one to exist but it doesn't but now I can do it with bear
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This is a great app like it's a really nice app, and you know it's made in Italy so oh no wonder
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No wonder all the great things come from it nepotism there
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Patriotism patriotism. Thank you, man. These they're not related. It's a small country, but we're not related
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Do you know that though have you checked? I mean I live next door, Arkansas
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Let's not do that
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Last week last week on the show you may remember that we had a lengthy discussion about email apps
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And at the time everyone was riveted
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My two co-hosts were oh I use Apple's mail app and it's great and the apps that you use Michael Doman stupid
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Well, I don't remember this
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Federico how is mail app treating you this week?
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Do I need to answer you do need to answer?
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It's in a folder hashtag Myke was right. No. Yes
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you're not using it anymore and I said you shouldn't use it and you're not and so I've been traveling with Federico for a
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few days and
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I think he has been using a different email app every day for the last five days
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And he's been really struggling and he's super mad at all of them. I think well
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Here's the problem. The perfect email app for me does not exist. Yeah exists for nobody
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You just have to choose the one that you're most comfortable with.
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That's the other problem.
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I'm not comfortable with anything at the moment because like I've been using like this bunch of email apps.
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So like four or five of them maybe and
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every one of them has a great feature or like great design detail that I really like
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but none of them have the combination of all the aspects that I would like to see.
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So you've seen me jump from
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again, you know between the two.
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- So, Airmel, Spark, Newton, Outlook was involved.
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- Ooh, Outlook, I didn't see that one.
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Things got dark.
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- I was kind of feeling bad about it,
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so I've been trying email apps where you were not looking.
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- Because you were judging me at one point,
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so I was feeling really bad, but yeah.
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So what I would really like to have is,
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I mean, if I had like a few million dollars, right,
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to spend on an email app.
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- Is that how much they cost?
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- Well, I don't know.
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- Okay, probably.
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- They're not free.
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- We have a bunch of developers.
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- Can I just write an email out for us?
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- A few million dollars, yeah.
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(audience laughing)
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- I would like to state that Relay FM LLC
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has not entered any contracts with Alan, or anyone.
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- So if Relay FM can expense a few million dollars for it,
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okay, that's right.
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Anyway, I would like to have like a combination
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of AirMail because it's fast, the interface is simple and fluid. I would also like to
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have the elegance of Spark, the integrations of AirMail, and the amazing settings screen.
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What about the bugs from AirMail? Do you want those?
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Not the bugs from AirMail.
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Oh, I had a new one. I was like, we're in the airport and I'm trying to convince Federico
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about AirMail again. And I send an email and I have like five email accounts of a unified
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inbox for an hour only one of those accounts are showing in the unified
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inbox it didn't matter what I did like a combination of force quitting the app
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and it just wouldn't it just wouldn't it just have one email account in the email
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inbox and he's looking at me and after all of this he still convinced me to try
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our mail so I was writing a really important message to a PR person and I
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I can post my message.
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I can post my--
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you know they're important.
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They like the replies.
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I add my read receipts because it's all business, you know?
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So I need to know when to read my message.
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And I'm like, OK, Neil, I just need to fix some typos.
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I try to scroll the message, and it doesn't scroll anymore.
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Yeah, that was real bad.
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And I didn't know how--
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I think I rotated my iPhone like five times.
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And eventually, I was able to scroll.
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But then I realized, what have you made me do, Myke?
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- Install a mostly better email app.
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- Well, okay, so that was also a beta,
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so it's not completely fair to the RML guys.
00:25:04
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- Yeah, it's not fair, it's not fair.
00:25:06
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- But I also think that, like I was trying RML,
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I was like, you know, all these integrations,
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like I can save tasks to Do-It,
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and I can have all these settings, that's amazing,
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and I want that, but I also want to have like
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stable email client that actually makes me scroll my text.
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- So let me, what if there's a simple,
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would this be a solution that would work?
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and this is gonna sound bananas.
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- I'm not gonna get an iBook G4.
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That's not gonna happen.
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- It's not a G4.
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- If you say G, that's something.
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- If you say Newton.
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- An actual Newton?
00:25:37
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- Yeah, you're gonna go.
00:25:37
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- He's not gonna bring any of this.
00:25:38
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- Okay, so this is a serious--
00:25:40
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- No, seriously.
00:25:41
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If Apple were to add an actual share sheet in mail,
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would that get you what you want?
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'Cause you would get the niceties of mail
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and you could send stuff via extensions
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and not nice integrations like Airmail,
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but I feel like that would be enough for me at least.
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What about you?
00:25:55
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So I've gotten used to these modern features
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that some developers do, stuff like read receipts
00:26:01
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to be able to know when someone reads your message.
00:26:03
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I don't use them always, but I do want them sometimes.
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- You use them with me?
00:26:07
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- I'm not telling you.
00:26:08
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(audience laughing)
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Well, if I said no, that would mean that I just don't care
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if you read my message.
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- Yeah, it's best for you just not to know.
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It's best not to know.
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- Ignorance is bliss.
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- I use them for you because they're really important to me.
00:26:22
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- Thank you.
00:26:23
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- But there's also these other features,
00:26:24
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Like I want to be able to snooze my messages.
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And I'm not sure that Apple wants
00:26:28
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to do all of these modern features,
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because they seem kind of to be against this modernization
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of Apple Mail.
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And I just don't see them do features
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like push notifications, for example.
00:26:38
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Are they ever going to do push for Gmail accounts?
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It's the Cold War.
00:26:42
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So it's not just one feature like I want the share sheet.
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It's a collection of all these modern takes on email
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that others are doing.
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But each one of those companies is doing one aspect.
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and I want all of them, right?
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And that's just not possible.
00:26:58
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- You just need to use four email apps.
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- Done, no. - And then you can just
00:27:00
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switch between each one, depending on what you need,
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it'll be easy.
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- If you need to scroll, don't use airmail.
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- Yeah, you just, if you're halfway through a message
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and you can't scroll it, you just save the draft,
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you open Spark. - Oh, that's a life hack.
00:27:11
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- Yeah, and then you can-- - It's not a life hack.
00:27:13
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- Open the draft, and then you just scroll it,
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and then when you start scrolling,
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you go back to airmail again,
00:27:17
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and put the reader's name on it, and then send it.
00:27:19
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- Hashtag Myke was right. - It's easy, no, it's easy.
00:27:23
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Yeah, I've been like--
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and when I'm not sure which apps I want to use,
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I have this bug in my brain, and it really stresses me out,
00:27:32
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like for real.
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I get really upset.
00:27:34
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It's like when I couldn't decide between Apple Music
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and Spotify.
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I get really upset.
00:27:38
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I realize it's a problem.
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The other thing you were getting really--
00:27:42
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he's like, oh, the scrolling performance
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isn't good enough in airmail.
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I'm very upset about this.
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I cannot use applications where the scrolling isn't smooth.
00:27:49
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And that was when he deleted it.
00:27:50
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I was like, okay
00:27:52
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Slowly sometimes we just have to slowly walk away from the eye
00:27:55
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It was skipping frames as you were scrolling the settings. Oh
00:27:59
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You you're so happy with all those settings and then when you scroll them it's like you don't need them that much though
00:28:08
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But it's a sign of if the settings screen scroll slowly. What else could possibly go wrong? Well, you cannot scroll your message
00:28:19
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I mean we should again just for the sake of this we are both using beta software
00:28:24
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Yeah, right like it is just worth pointing that out like I don't know what bugs there are in the shipping version
00:28:30
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But we are both using beta versions. Yeah, that's why I love the air my guys. They're also Italian so
00:28:34
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Yes, so you need to say what you need is you need bear to buy air mail
00:28:41
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Oh god, it then they would make bear mail bear milk
00:28:45
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Or air bear what's not fair is when I make these jokes when it's just the three of us everyone just groans at me
00:28:52
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But when you make them there's so many people here to laugh because it's funnier
00:28:59
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Can't thanks so much for listening everybody
00:29:01
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Cuz any bothy so we didn't tell me like what am I supposed to use a male?
00:29:10
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All right, it is a bummer and I agree with you Federico Apple seems almost allergic to adding
00:29:16
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Right modern takes because I mean mail
00:29:18
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I mean, I'm not gonna bring this machine up anymore after this but mail on this machine
00:29:22
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Right 10.2 is basically mail running on high Sierra like there's no I mean name one drastically different feature like you
00:29:29
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They're not part of the problem. I'm not a serious support. No, that's that we need that part
00:29:35
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I think part of the problem is stuff. So a lot of stuff that's that you are asking for
00:29:39
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I think requires server-side stuff that they're just not gonna do right because spark and all these email some of these email clients are doing
00:29:46
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Things because they have access to your account in a way that Apple does it but a share sheet doesn't need that
00:29:51
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Just put a share sheet in it. It is really weird that there's no she in mail
00:29:55
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I mean, I don't know this because I honestly have not used mail in about three years because it is junk
00:29:59
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But okay, that's a hot I really don't like it. It's like all it like you got apps like notes, which is so good
00:30:06
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It's really yeah, and like the the mail app has just done it doesn't do a stagnant
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But it's like even little things that like I you know
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Cuz I I can see like if they don't want to do snooze and stuff and they don't want to push notification
00:30:16
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She went fine, but like smart folders stuff that is already on the Mac. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me
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No bringing to iOS. I don't understand. It's like oh you made the the title bigger like yeah
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It's now easier than ever to find your
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It's all about-- - Mailboxes.
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No one needs that.
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All right, let's take a break.
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- Today's show is also brought to you by Timing,
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This, the developer, Daniel, he's here right now,
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and I'm really uncomfortable about reading this.
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- Just remember, he signed a contract.
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- Yeah, but like, no, but like the contract,
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there's like, this doesn't usually happen, right?
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Like, when I read Squarespace ads,
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Like they don't come in the room?
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Squarespace is ever present.
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No, no, you please stay.
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Because I want you to know I can do a good job on this.
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So look, time tracking, time tracking.
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Now stick with me here, everyone, time tracking.
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I know a lot of people don't like it
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when I talk about time tracking.
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But I and Federico got me into time tracking.
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But the problem is, and this is a problem
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we-- this is a problem me and Federico talk about just
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a couple of days ago, is you have to start and stop
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the timers like with the services that we use you have to manually go in start
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one and stop one I very frequently wake up with a 16-hour timer that I set when
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I finished work yesterday and I sleep in you get a lot more sleep than I do well
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you know maybe I finished at 5 and and maybe it's sometimes I have started
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Monday from a timer on Friday I did that this past weekend actually I started
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something like Saturday for like 10 minutes or something and then Sunday
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afternoon I opened it it's like I have not been working connected for a day and
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a half can't you tell how long did it take you to put all of the things in
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that Mac book though I didn't have to start my book I says it right here
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anyway again so sorry why should you have to do all the work of starting and
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stopping those timers the timing for Mac automatically tracks how much time you
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spend on every one of your apps even documents and websites which is amazing
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Which means that you never have to worry about starting or stopping a timer again and because timing collects more data in a regular time
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It goes far beyond just billable hours or like these buckets of just like I am prepping for connected
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It shows you which app website page you're open
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And so like for example, I when I set up time tracking stuff at times and I would say oh I'm doing this show
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But when I use timing on the Mac
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It knows I'm in the connected document because I got the website page open so it can categorize it for me
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It's really really smart. Timing's timeline automatically makes suggestions filling gaps in your timeline and can also ask you what you did offline
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It can also it can suggest them and you can customize them as well
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Stop worrying about time and focus on doing your best work instead
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thanks to timing for their support of this show Tim Cook is doing one of his
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European tours right do these so much I loves to go to stuff he just likes to go
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visit people he's a friendly guy and he just wants to go he's always down about
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and he's been talking about AR this time he has discussion anytime he does one of
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these tours a couple years ago it was about wearables before that he thought
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he talked of Federico's what app use I wanted to try one of the apps that you
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recommended an AR app doesn't work what is it are we back on mail yeah basketball
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it's not he's playing the basketball game so you have to find a surface no
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you're in you're in like the tutorial mode well I'm sorry maybe we can find a
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lot of time playing basketball oh why is it not working thanks Tim Cook wait we
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can't find a surface try another area guys you remember we're talking about
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This is the show all right you keep going
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You keep going and I'm gonna find a surface air air kit basketball. Oh, I got it
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See you shoot the hoop you rose literally no I can see what you're doing yeah, no it's not working
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I'm too close to the who they're just on ready
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He's walked away from the stage Steven so Steven tell me about Tim Cook so Tim Cook is doing all these interviews
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He spoke at a like some sort of startup thing at Oxford doing he did this big thing in vogue
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And he's talking about how AR is going to change everyday life
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Sure, thank you keep playing keep playing my
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So I think we can break these down a couple big categories. He's talking a lot about
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shopping and retail experience and how AR could really change that. He said that
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AR will be as critical and as calm as having a website if you're a retailer
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which is an astounding statement. Very bold. Astounding statement. He says a lot of
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stuff like this right? Do you remember the wearables thing? Right when he was
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going on the Apple watch he was like everybody like he was he really hypes
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this stuff up. I mean it's part of the job right? I know I know. This comes at a time
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where there have been rumors for some reason
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that Apple is working on AR glasses,
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which is like, we've been down this road before,
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it didn't end well for Google, but you know,
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they'll be carved out of a single piece of aluminum
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so all of us will love them.
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So here's a quote, he was asked directly
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in this Vogue piece about AR glasses.
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He said, "Of course there are rumors and gossip
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"about what companies work on,
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"but obviously we don't talk about what we work on,
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"even though they totally do all the time now.
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But today I can tell you that the technology itself doesn't exist to do that in a quality way.
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I think they're building AR glasses.
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Today in a quality way, right? Like it's yeah
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I mean right now if you if you're deep in an Apple lab, you have a laptop strapped to your face to make this work
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They've no doubt they're pulling you see that. It'd be really good
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I would try it with this but I'd be injured terrible. Yeah, you'd fall over immediately
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He also said getting back to the air pod thing he was asked, you know is Siri like combined with air pods
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Is that an AR experience and he said he doesn't think that it is and I agree with that because you're just talking to your
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Assistant that sometimes was the back sometimes works
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That's not a iron in but but he said that he does think audio
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Could play an important part in AR in the future, which I find really really interesting is right now these experiences are
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Primarily visual he was playing a basketball game or doing whatever he was so bad at that game. It's really bad
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But I try so so in one of these things in Oxford he like Tim like super pans VR
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Right like he's just like and this is on the heels of oculus had an event last week
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Yeah, and they introduced some products that may as well have just said VR sucks
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He may as well have just because he's just like it doesn't work. It's gimmicky
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They were like niche uses of it
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But one of the great things about VR is pairing it with audio and like it's a big part of it
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Right like it is the PS VR they have this whole system for the audio what it's called binaural audio
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I think so where it's it kind of creates an almost surround sound like experience, but just headphones
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So yes the thing about AR games and apps right now is that they are very much
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Just like look at the phone and they can be more immersive without having to necessarily strap something to your face sure by adding an audio
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Component well sure because if you're if you're in that world and then you hear your neighbor set his car door
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then you're taken out of it.
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But I can see where he's going with it,
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and again, he has to do a lot of hype
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'cause it's part of the job.
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But I just find it so interesting
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they're making such a big push on it.
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'Cause I really can't think of a time,
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at least in recent history, where Apple introduced a new,
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you know, let's call it a technology stack
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for lack of a better word, sorry developers,
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that Apple hyped so hard just based on technology alone.
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- Without something that went alongside.
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- They didn't do this when they added copy and paste to iOS.
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- It's so closely tied to the most important part
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of the iPhone's hardware to the camera,
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that it kind of becomes an extension of the iPhone,
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at least that's what they hope to do,
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that AR experiences will become just as important
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as the iPhone.
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That's what he's saying.
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I don't know if it's gonna happen now,
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because most of these ARKit games and apps
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are just gimmicks and little demos, you know.
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- I don't see us using ARKit apps all day long.
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I mean Google Docs and AR will be something.
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- I played Peacock for like four hours yesterday.
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- Yeah. - So good.
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- But the idea is that they're hyping this so much
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because it's so closely tied to the iPhone
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and not just to the iPhone,
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but to the most important feature of the iPhone.
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- Yeah, that's a good point.
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He goes on, he talks,
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he kind of falls back into the old position
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that Apple has an extremely strong position
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because they have hardware and software.
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And we see Google, they have responded to this
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with ARCore, is what they're calling theirs.
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It runs on some phones, it's gonna spread
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as it does on Android.
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But then he also says that the App Store
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is super important to this.
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That Apple is not only providing great hardware
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and a software development kit,
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whatever the kits call it now, to build this stuff,
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but the whole end-to-end thing is there.
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And there's a very obvious parallel in my mind
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to the App Store in the beginning.
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that the App Store was the first successful version
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of this idea because Apple had all the pieces in place.
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- And I don't think AR's gonna be as big as the App Store,
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but it is sort of intriguing to think about
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that they have all these pieces lined up
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and that the hardware's better than ever
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and they have this great software
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that some people are doing amazing things with very quickly.
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And I agree, I think like drag and drop,
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we're gonna see this evolve.
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And the stuff we see now is gonna be just blown away
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in six months and then six months after that
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six months after that.
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But Apple's clearly very excited about it,
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and I think that's worth paying attention to.
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- I mean, it's so obviously the beginning
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of this sort of feature or ecosystem of apps.
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And I was talking to a couple of developers
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who are doing ARKit apps now.
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And the problems that they mentioned,
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like they were common to all of the developers
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that I talked to, stuff like,
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you cannot detect vertical surfaces.
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You can only detect horizontal ones,
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unless you wanna write your own algorithm and engine,
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which is complicated.
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Or some people have like a measure kit, for example,
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which is the measuring app.
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They do some custom stuff to detect vertical surfaces
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and basically walls.
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The performance when it comes to low light performance,
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you know, in a really dark room, for example, it's not good.
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Or if you wanna, there's some obstruction, for example,
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there's some objects standing in the way
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that also causes problems.
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So it's obviously the beginning for this framework.
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And I'm not surprised if you consider
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all these potential issues right now
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that Apple is not doing their own app,
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like an official navigation mode in AR in Maps, for example,
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because there are so many things to fix first.
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And so it's intelligent, I think, to go to the developers
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and say, why don't you make some apps
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and give us some feedback so we can make it better next year,
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for example?
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Whilst at the same time, they're getting
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good at making infrared cameras.
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So I wonder-- because I mean, the iPhone X, I assume,
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can probably have some more interesting things that it can do.
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Yeah, like the face tracking stuff, for example.
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Like the filters that sort of use ARKit to superimpose graphics on your face.
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Yeah, because the ones that they showed on stage with what Snapchat had done were vastly
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I mean, that stuff is very good.
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I mean, and I think that Snapchat have their own baked-in version of AR as well that they
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use, which isn't as good as the ARKit stuff, but it's good.
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face detection stuff was vastly superior to what they're doing. I do have a lot of
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questions about Craig Federighi using Snapchat. What kind of questions? A lot.
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I don't understand Snapchat, he's older than I am.
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Myke uses Snapchat all the time now. But y'all are the same age. I never send anything to
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anyone. I just like to play with... You know it's not day one, did you get them confused?
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He's really into the Bitmoji. Bitmoji? Oh God. Yeah, this is great. So I downloaded Bitmoji to
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create just because I don't know if you know this you create a character of
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yourself and you have the ability to just have hundreds of stickers that have
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a little character of yourself in them Stephen hates them for a reason I can't
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understand like it's really hates them so today Federico signed up for bitmoji
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too so now we send him the same stickers but just with our faces in each of them
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I think I'm gonna do an Apple show with Jason from now on that's mine AR
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So I think part of the problem is I struggle to think about what really is
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gonna happen here. Right? Like he says like, "Oh, fashion, that's another good one."
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But what else? Like it has to be things that are visual otherwise you're just
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taking non visual things and putting them into AR. Right? So like the idea of
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like, and Microsoft showed a bunch of this stuff, and what Microsoft's doing with
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HoloLens is referred to as MR, which is mixed reality because it's kind of,
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because you put a headset on and you can see things in the world. So it's like a
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combo between VR and AR. And all they're showing is like, oh here's edge, just
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Microsoft's browser on the wall. Everybody wants it. It's like, this stuff
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is no, there's no real use for that, right? And this is my concern with AR, is like
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are we just gonna end up with like our Notes app on the floor? Like what is the...
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What is the use of that?
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Mail in the bathroom?
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I mean you could do that anyway though if you want to.
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You don't have to be able to see it.
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Would Air Mail have trouble sticking you to the wall?
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That was mean.
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Air Mail is a great app that you should all use.
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Two things come to mind for me.
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And then I have a problem with the whole thing.
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We'll get to that.
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I think of, and they're sort of related, but like
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sort of job or career training, right? So you start a job, you're making burritos,
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you're making cars, or you know, you're whatever. Burritos or cars? I don't know.
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This is a very broad range of jobs. I don't have a job. I don't know. People either make burritos or cars.
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If you have a career that you're using your hands and you want to have
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training or a lot of jobs, you have to have certifications, and having that sort
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of on-the-job training where I can I can hold an iPad up or a phone up in front
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of the thing I'm supposed to do and it teach me about that thing I think is
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incredibly powerful. All of those things are better when you've got something
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strapped to your face though. Well that's the big problem I have we can get
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to that. Yeah. The other thing I see and is related is like k-12 education so
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we have we've played with a few AR kit apps at home one of them and I forget
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the name so forgive me but okay thank you helps you locate we talked about on
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the show even locate stars and stuff in the sky at night mmm-hmm starwalk yes I
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think and so there's a big park out by our house and so you can see the sky
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really well and so we've taken the kids out and you know we've gone through this
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thing and and I've done it and it's it's really great and so I think there's a
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lot of opportunity there but again to your point that you stole from me it's
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not in the notes, is that ARKit is limited until they make glasses through the window
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frame of your iPad. Unless you have the giant one, it's a 10.5 inch window. And I just wonder
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if that fundamentally limits what this sort of stuff would do.
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Yes, it's great that I could walk into a store and I have my phone out and I could see prices
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or I could see fitting information if it's fashion or whatever, but at some point if
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want to get out into the real world like big things, is it limited to look through
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the camera of your iOS device? Yeah, it's a problem because there has to be one
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before the other, right? So like they can't put the cart before the horse and
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they have I think for us to be able to buy into the idea of wearing Apple AR
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glasses we need to already understand why AR is important because one of the
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reasons that the Google Glass project failed I think is that there wasn't
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really a lot of understanding of the use cases and I think like if Apple
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introduced AR glasses right now it would be the exact same thing because I just
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don't think that we fully understand what these things can be used for but
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the same problem there is a limitation in that you have to have the apps open
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to use them and hold your phone in front of like so it's like there is this issue
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of we need better use cases but the current method is not ideal it's not
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simple. So what I wonder is exactly this when Tim Cook says we believe AR is the
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future but that future right now is you need to open a bunch of apps to do
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different tasks like you want to play a game you want to play some furniture in
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your bedroom or whatever and I think when he says the future in Mabel implies
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eyes at, you just open the camera on your iPhone and it knows what you want to do.
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So it highly depends on context.
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So if I'm looking at you with my camera, it probably suggests an online store where I
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could buy this jacket.
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Or of course take a picture.
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But the friction that we have right now of, I want to try AR so I need to download a bunch
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of games and a bunch of apps and I need to launch them and do the calibration.
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It would be so much easier if it's constantly on.
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I don't know if that means like extensions for the camera or some baked-in mode that can recommend some defaults like
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navigation for example or
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Recognizing, you know, we got the barcodes now in the camera. You can recognize QR codes with the Apple camera
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So it's not impossible to imagine that kind of feature where it's the system camera on your iPhone
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That knows what you want to do or that at least makes it easy for you to do different tasks
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Instead of let me jump between 10 different apps so I can place a basketball and throw up, you know
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Do you think this is similar to Google lens? Yeah, though
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My concern is if like if that's the route right like if the old end goal of this is
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You open the camera app and our cameras are smart
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series got that
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It's the Siri camera because like Google are introducing Google lens with the pixel - mm-hmm, but it's super limited like that
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That's why it's the future, but that's what concerns me though right like Google
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have done this and they are
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Really held back right now, and this is Google with all of the information that they have
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Apple doesn't get access to and that's why right now we can play basketball and place a
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Desk in our bedroom and do that. Come and look at the stars. Yeah, I guess you're right. I guess you're right, but I
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Get a lot of my concern with a lot of things that Apple are doing now is
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is that I worry that they are held back
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by a lot of their core guiding principles,
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which are great for so many things,
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but the lack of data that they have,
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I think can be troubling, and this could be one of those
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because I think we can all agree that we struggle sometimes
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with object detection and stuff like that in photos, right?
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Like that Google Photos tends to be better
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at finding what you're looking for.
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If I'm pointing my phone at a thing in real time
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and I need it to identify what that thing is,
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I trust Google will be able to do that.
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- I worry that they're hyping this so much
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before they have an actual timeline
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of we'll be able to reach our vision within five years.
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- I mean, we still haven't gotten the car,
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the ultimate mobile device.
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I mean, that hype was years ago.
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- That is a mobile device, though.
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- It's what they said, it's what Jeff Williams said.
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- That was an actual quote, a joke.
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- I mean, it is a joke, but not my joke.
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- That's not my joke. - That's just a terrible joke.
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- So I got one more Tim Cook quote before we move on.
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- All right, okay.
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- And he said this in passing,
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so I don't wanna read too much into it,
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but we're a podcast, so we're gonna read too much into it.
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- He said a comment a couple times
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that we tend to use our devices too much.
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Johnny Ive said a similar thing.
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He was interviewed last week at some fancy design place,
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and he said that the near constant use of iOS devices,
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and we'll say the iPhone troubled him.
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And I think there was a connotation
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'cause it was in the VR burn section
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that VR actually makes it more limiting
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because instead of just looking down at our phone,
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we're looking at some wraparound
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head screen thing all the time.
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And I'm curious, let's see what you guys think.
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Does AR have the ability, or does it have the capacity
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to help us connect with each other
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in new and meaningful ways?
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Right now we're measuring the size of our TV
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and putting furniture in our offices.
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beyond an emoji?
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- Beyond, yes, beyond an emoji.
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- So excited for an emoji.
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- You're warming me up with bitmoji to get to this.
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- Yeah, oh that's gonna be just a nightmare for you.
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- You're gonna jump from the mic bitmoji
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to the mic poop emoji.
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- Oh, I'm never gonna use that one.
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I'm probably going with unicorn.
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I'm gonna ignore that comment.
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I honestly think that for a while,
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All of my messages will just be an emoji movies.
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Like that's it.
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That's just all it's gonna be.
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All right, so to your point, to your serious question.
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I don't think that-- - I don't buy it either.
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- I don't think that AR is better.
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Like just 'cause I'm doing something different
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with the phone doesn't mean that it's better
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than checking my messages.
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- But can we come up with a scenario in which
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AR creates an experience that connects you and I as humans that we wouldn't have otherwise.
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Maybe I just don't have an imagine.
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What does that mean?
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I'm putting Steven on my desk and I'm talking to you on a little character jumping around?
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I would love that though.
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Like in Star Wars, the little holograms.
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What's the problem that we're spending too much time on our phones sending messages?
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We're still sending messages to each other.
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It's kind of amazing that we can be always in touch.
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Like I don't see this...
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We're in touch but the person sitting next to me
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Spending time with my girlfriend and I'm gonna send messages to Myke no offense
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But like if I'm spending quality quality time with my partner
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I I have like a brain that tells me look maybe put my phone away. I think the point though
00:53:49
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Is that it is becoming increasingly worse for more people like phone addiction is a real thing sure, right?
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Like it is, you know, like I I did a thing this week. I've done this a few times
00:53:59
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I just moved Twitter away from
00:54:01
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Tweet what away from its usual point on my home screen, and I just kept opening the other app
00:54:06
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Right so like I moved your phone knows what to do. Yeah, I moved Twitter, and I put email there
00:54:13
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Just like to see no client
00:54:15
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Airmail the best email client, and I realized that I just I just would open my phone
00:54:20
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And I just kept opening a man I close it because I don't want a male and then 20 seconds later air mails back again
00:54:25
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Right if you've never tried this by the way just try it
00:54:30
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Something really you Greg's here. Yeah, which I have used you tally tally is a great
00:54:35
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Month away from Twitter a while ago
00:54:39
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We were talking about this and I replaced it with Greg from agile tortoises app tally
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So I could then every time I opened it just go one more to see just how many times I've done this
00:54:48
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It was interesting that over the weeks that went on I did it less and less
00:54:52
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But I think that it is a thing that that plagues many of us
00:54:56
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But if we can let's just say for a moment from earlier in discussion
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I'm just gonna play out the idea that they're making AR glasses.
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So much worse.
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Because it's all, yeah.
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Because then you...
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So much worse!
00:55:05
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Oh yes, we're looking at each other but we're also checking Twitter.
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Through a computer that Apple makes, right?
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Like it is, it's way worse.
00:55:11
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So how does AR improve the fact that we're looking at our phones all the time
00:55:15
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and we have phone addiction?
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Well that's the question.
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It's like giving us more reasons to look at our phones.
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Like I don't, I don't like this, this line of thinking
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because it's clearly something that either they are talking about
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or being told to talk about.
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The fact that both Johnny and Tim are both mentioning this line of like people using
00:55:33
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their phones too much, it's fine, but you still may come.
00:55:35
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Wasn't this the exact same argument when the Apple Watch came out that, "Oh now you don't
00:55:40
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have to look at your phone all the time."
00:55:42
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"Look at our other device instead!"
00:55:43
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And now three or four years later we got cellular so now people can always send you messages.
00:55:48
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And the thing about that, I've noticed it because my partner doesn't wear an Apple Watch.
00:55:53
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I've got friends who do, but I'm basically at home all the time.
00:55:55
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But when I'm with the two of you, I notice both of you do it your watch to go off
00:55:59
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You look what it is. You put your wrist down to pick your phone up. It's like a
00:56:02
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Two-part movie. I'm sure I do it too. I'm sure we all do it. And so yeah that the the
00:56:07
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Apple watch hasn't lived up to the promise that's gonna break the chain of addiction to my phone
00:56:11
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but I just don't buy the line of thinking that Eric is somehow going to
00:56:16
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Make that easier. I think to your point Myke it may make it
00:56:19
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more difficult or somehow like more
00:56:23
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More confusing to people especially if you have glasses that would actually blur the lines of are you actually looking at me?
00:56:29
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Or are you looking at this was the Google glass problem, right and like and I?
00:56:33
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Don't know that Robert Scoble in the shower
00:56:36
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Yeah, I don't know I I like a our kit games
00:56:42
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That's kind of all I've used it for they're fun
00:56:45
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I don't play them every day
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But like they're a fun little thing to do like I can put a t-rex in the living room take a picture of it
00:56:50
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Like it's really funny
00:56:52
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You know and I like that sort of stuff. I'm interested to see more
00:56:55
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I'm getting less and less convinced at oh, here we go
00:57:01
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Apple's ability to just change the world again
00:57:04
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Like they think they're just gonna keep doing that like because they've done it a bunch of times like legit
00:57:08
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But like the Apple watch it's gonna change the world. No, it's not gonna like AR it's gonna I don't I'm
00:57:15
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I think they are chasing it as all technology companies should be but like they chase it at a level of
00:57:22
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"Oh, but we did this before, so like, we got this."
00:57:26
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And I'm just a bit like,
00:57:27
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just rein it in a little bit more, I think.
00:57:30
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- It's this idea of, this is the future, like--
00:57:34
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- It's just like, calm down, like it's cool, right?
00:57:36
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Like, it's been like a couple of months.
00:57:38
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- Well, I mean, they can't come out and say,
00:57:40
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we got this new thing, meh, meh.
00:57:43
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- No, but you can say, like, it's really amazing,
00:57:45
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we're so excited to see all people,
00:57:47
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but like, to say this is the future is really bold.
00:57:51
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- I get you there and I think we see more of that
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out of Apple now than we used to.
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And maybe it's Tim Cook's leadership,
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maybe it's that they have this history now
00:58:03
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of Mac, iPod, iPhone, iPad,
00:58:07
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that they feel like they've got to,
00:58:09
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and the world has pressed on them
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that they have to do it again.
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- And also, it's not Steve, right?
00:58:16
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Like, I think that that is a part of it.
00:58:19
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I mean, if I was Tim Cook,
00:58:20
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I would feel that way, like I feel like I have to do this.
00:58:24
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Where like I have to do this.
00:58:26
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- Yeah, I mean, and I think, I mean,
00:58:27
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that's not to discount the success of the watch.
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The watch is very good Tim Cook's product.
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And I think the watch we have today.
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- It's really, really, really great.
00:58:36
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- It's really good minus the stupid red dot.
00:58:38
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And I think it is more of a picture
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of what Tim Cook had thought or like they had seen, right?
00:58:43
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Like really good at fitness stuff.
00:58:46
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And they've honed that messaging.
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and maybe ARKit will do the same thing
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where right now it's gonna change the future
00:58:53
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and it's gonna be in retail,
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it's gonna be in the classroom.
00:58:55
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And maybe once it's in the world for a little while,
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they say, "Hey, you know what?
00:58:59
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"We have an amazing game platform."
00:59:00
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And you know what, that's enough.
00:59:02
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- That is more than enough. - More than enough
00:59:04
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if iOS continues to be a great gaming platform
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and that they can extend it to the Apple TV,
00:59:09
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who knows what they could do.
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But if it was just gaming, I think that's enough.
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And so maybe they change their tone over time
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like they have with the watch.
00:59:17
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- Yeah, 'cause I just think they need to just chill out
00:59:20
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just a little bit.
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- Just take a breather.
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- And I'll be happy with that.
00:59:23
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These products are really great.
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Just give it some time.
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The iPhone's still doing really good.
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been doing it. Federico has been buying some things. So Federico, why don't you tell us what you've done?
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Do I have to? Yes. So I've been buying iPad keyboards for a few months now because I can
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never find an iPad Pro keyboard that I like. And just a few weeks ago I was actually reading through
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Apple's website and I realized that the Logitech slim combo which is the keyboard that we really
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didn't like when the iPad pro 10.5 came out yeah the one that like just it had no stability like
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it really didn't like it like we actually went you on twitter were recommending against buying
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seriously like I think it's a bad reply to you on twitter and they told me that the slim combo was
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it not it was built to be rugged which doesn't make any sense like that is not what that means
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Like it's slim, it's meant to be like... Anyway, because I was complaining about the thickness and weightness
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and I said it's built to be rugged and protect...
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But it's not slim, yeah. Anyway, they have a different version for the 12.9, which I had no idea it existed.
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So I bought this keyboard, which is right here.
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Do you want to pass it around, everybody?
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I mean, sure.
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Show and tell.
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I mean, if you really want to talk...
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Don't do that.
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So do that, it's fine, you need it.
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I really like it. It's not perfect, but it's sort of the combination of things that I wanted an iPad keyboard
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So when the first round of iPad pros came out
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It was universally believed that the the create for the 12.9 was a disaster. Yeah
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But the create for the 9.7 was amazing
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They flipped that because this is really good on this device and I think as a couple of reasons for it
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So a couple of the issues I had two major issues with this keyboard for the 10.5
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One was when you put it on your lap. It's not stable
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So the previous version it had like a cloth covering that went from the iPad round to the keyboard
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So it stay nice and stable on your lap because there was one flat piece of material there
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With this product as a kickstand
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So you kind of have to have stable places to keep the kickstand and also the keyboard is attached via this like
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Material which was super thin so you'd be typing and the thing would be wobbling and then you want to wrap the keyboard round to
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The back to hold it and the keyboard would just pop off
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Now the keyboard still pops off on this one, but I'd find at least myself
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I don't hold the 12.9 inch iPad very often to just read with it because it's like reading a dinner tray
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Right so like when I'm reading with that. I still keep it in like the keyboard orientation for me
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So like that isn't so much of a problem and because everything's bigger
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The stability for stability is increased because there's more surface area for it to lean against right and on the small version
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Because it's so small right the cover part of the keyboard cannot fold
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Yeah, I know the keyboard but actually on this one you get the cover that you know
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If you imagine the cover that goes over the screen it folds in half and back around
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underneath the keyboard, which then elevates the keyboard
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at a nice angle as well.
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It's really nice.
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- Uses the smart connector, so you can have back click keys,
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which I was really missing from the Apple Magic keyboard,
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which is the one that I was using before.
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- No battery to worry about.
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- You got no battery to worry about,
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no Bluetooth connections. - No Bluetooth connection.
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- And you get the function rows,
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so you can have like spotlight shortcuts,
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which by the way with iOS 11 is really handy,
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because now accessing spotlight is kind of harder
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than before.
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You can also do like the home button.
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You can, this is real actual life hack.
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If you press and hold the home button on this one,
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and if you activate type to Siri in the iOS 11 settings,
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you can press and hold and then just type in
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to issue commands to Siri.
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- That's pretty good.
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- So your hands never leave the keyboard
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and you can still do stuff with Siri.
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And also additional life hack.
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- Thank you.
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Let's do tears of life hacks.
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- It grows exponentially.
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If you also, you can create text replacements
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in the iOS settings.
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If maybe eventually they will sync across your devices.
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But if you create, basically you can create templates
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Like if you create a shortcut for turn off
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the bedroom lights, then you just type, I don't know, TTB.
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- That's good.
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- It's gonna expand and turn off your bedroom lights.
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- You just put some minds in the audience.
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Or just like weather, right?
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You could just type, very nice.
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- Yeah, whatever you want.
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- Very nice.
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Wow, look at you.
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- It's very smart.
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Teach you tip.
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- That's good.
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- Teach you tip live.
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- So you're keeping this?
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- Well, I bought it and--
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- It doesn't mean you can't return it or--
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- No, see I don't like returning things.
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It's so, it's always so awkward.
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Like you go back to the store--
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- Do you buy things in person?
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- And I'm pretty, it's like what, you didn't like it?
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- I would like to give you a mic tip.
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- Amazon.com.
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- You stole it right from under me.
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You see, amazon.com would be a solution if my delivering packages situations in Italy
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- No, you have a guy in a bakery, we went over this on the phone.
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- We need to offer some context here.
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So for some reason in Rome, delivery companies are terrible.
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- They're bad everywhere.
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- They're bad everywhere, but there's an especially problematic situation for me that my building,
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I don't know why, but delivery companies don't like to leave packages there.
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It's cursed.
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It's kind of cursed.
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So I set up a system years ago where I befriended the local bakery shop.
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And with a bunch of excuses, I started going there every day.
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Even to just buy like one.
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The excuse can be, I would like some bread, please.
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I don't want to eat bread every single day.
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- Does this bakery participate in the Google Home
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versus donut bake-off?
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- Wait, what?
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- Nevermind, he's forgotten about that already.
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- You want him paying attention?
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- No, it's fine.
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- Anyway, I befriended this family-owned bakery
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and over time we became friends.
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And one day I was just like, by the way--
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- Why would you feel the need to say family-owned?
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- Because it's a whole enterprise.
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It's like there's the kid and there's the husband.
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- Have you seen Master of None?
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Is it like that?
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No, I'm behind actually.
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I bet it's like that.
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It is definitely like that.
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It's a very stereotypical Italian bakery.
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Everyone's nodding.
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They know it's like that.
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Is it like a little child and he brings you bread?
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Yes, actually, yes.
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Does he call you Mr. Fettigy?
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There's a dog which is super unhealthy for that type of stuff.
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This dog just walking around.
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Shh, don't worry about it.
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Anyway, so one day I was like, hey, by the way,
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if I have a problem with the package and UPS,
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is there a chance you can hold the package for me?
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They're like, yeah sure no problem. So and we need to be clear you befriended these people so you could ask that question. Yes
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It didn't come up naturally over time. How long how long took?
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Two three months a long con that's pretty good
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Do you still go every day? Okay. Why don't you buy a p.o. Box is a long story?
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started like
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One day the UPS the UPS guy come comes over and gives me a package and I just say hey, you know
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If I'm not at home, there's the bakery. It's like one minute away
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they know me so, you know if I'm not at home, you can just leave a package there and I started telling this to all the
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delivery guys and
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Now what they do is whenever I'm not at home. They send me a text message and they're like, hey, I left the package at the bakery
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Why don't you just get things to the but they're all done
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So the problem here is that I feel like the bakery doesn't like this anymore
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Because in all of these I started buying a lot of amiibo
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So this summer I had the great idea of completely
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completing the Zelda collection.
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This is a lot, there is a lot of them.
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There's a lot of baggage here.
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It's like 30 figurines from Amazon.
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So, like, we're talking July and August here.
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And so within the span of like three weeks
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these people had like 20 packages.
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Every day. Every day they get.
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And we're now at the point where...
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Where are you though? Like everyday? Where are you all day?
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I feel so bad. Like I'm around. Two things.
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And we're now at the point where if I actually need to buy bread and I walk into the store, the guy looks at me and is like "Hey, there's no package today for you."
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And I can tell that they're kinda upset.
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You flew too close to the sun with these eyeballs.
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Yeah, you did. You pushed it way too far.
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far I know when did you complete this arrangement like when did it begin I was
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earlier this year can we can it last until the iPhone 10 ships in March can
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you can you make it it's done it will be it's time you get it yeah I'm really
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sad because like I can tell that especially after the last batch of amiibo
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the situation really changed you could bring them something like a cake but
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they won't appreciate it. Yeah, just flour and stuff. I don't know. And I'm so sad because in June
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I was talking to you and Grey about this whole life hack that I had. It was a great idea at the time, but
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you know Amazon and Amoeba was... What about a butcher? Yeah, is there someone else in the neighborhood? So there's the
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candlestick maker. There's the pharmacy.
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Uh-huh. I'm not sure I want to go to my pill. What are you supposed to buy the pharmacy and pills every day?
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Like so I want to have a backup option or either I apologize profusely to the bakery family
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Yeah, do you ever like give them any money or anything? Oh, maybe you should give them some money
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sleeping at 20
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Thanks for the bread. Hang on
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I've solved I've solved your problem because that this is what I do for people
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You have a bunch of iPad keyboards you can't return let's give them those
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Maybe yeah anyway anyway, so that's why you don't buy things
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I need to go to the store and if I buy the keyboard then I go back to digital error the guy looks at me
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It's like you didn't make it himself. I know but it's like yes, you didn't like the keyboard
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It's like, no.
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What's wrong with that though?
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I feel bad about it. I feel so bad about it.
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I will tell you right now, I just want to say, I did this for three years.
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I worked on a customer service desk at a supermarket.
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I didn't care.
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It's actually my job.
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My job only exists if people bring things to return.
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If everyone's like you, I had no job.
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Guy doesn't care.
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doesn't care you know you know what I do with my old stuff I give it to my mom
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what's she gonna do with that what's she gonna do with that I tell you what you should do you give her the
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keyboard and the receipt and say mom if you take this to the store some money for you
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that's brilliant that's brilliant she has a bunch of stuff you just give it to her like
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she can set up an eBay store you know how to do eBay like one time I was reading through Marco
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headphone review. You bought a lot of headphones. You should try some here. You bought a lot. See headphones she can use
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but iPad keyboards does she even have an iPad? She has an iPad but here's the
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problem also she has an iPad one. Oh what are you doing? How many iPads must you have because you don't return anything
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because you don't sell them. And I told her mom I have a few iPads for you. Just a few. She can have one of mine I got a ton of them.
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And she was like no I really like this one because you I don't know some some
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excuse that she gave you could replace it and she probably wouldn't know like
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if you went to know I remember she really likes the original iPad dock with
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the keyboard they're not making that anymore well you ever been a vertical
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one has she tried using Facebook for iOS 5 something like that wow I want to
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have your mom on the show to can she speak English she doesn't speak English
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that's a shame I'll learn a town she calls she calls but she calls podcast
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the radio that's amazing yeah sums it up you know what my man calls
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ingenious WikiLeaks you know what she does she's she asked she calls me
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multiple times a day I know I know Oh Federico's checks in a lot so in the
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summer when I'm busy writing the is review she calls me and I'm kind of
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noise and like mom I'm busy I'm writing she's like what you're writing you know
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in September there's a big story that comes out yeah yeah the September thing
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so she doesn't know she doesn't speak she doesn't read English but what she
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does is she's very sweet on the work issued computer at work she opens Google
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translator and she runs max or his articles through Google Translate that's
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great pretense that she understands it's like it's terrible Frederick tendril
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It's my name is translated Frederick tendril. That's what Frederick tendrils is what?
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Google translate thinks Federica, but he she is it is amazing so this year
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I I was really sure I was really curious to turn on and she knows all the other she knows all the other team members
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She was oh John
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But so I wanted to know I asked her did you like the iOS 11 review?
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And she tells me well, I know that you really care about the iPad
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So I I used the navigation this really advanced. I used the navigation menu to
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Open the iPad chapter like okay, that's impressive. And then she told me but I was surprised because you were constantly talking about bees
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bees? And then I realized that the word API in Italian...
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Oh no! The developers, they use the bees! Everybody loves the bees! Oh, that's incredible!
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Thank you so much for coming out to see us today.
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If you want to find our show notes, go to relay.fm/connected/164.
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Thanks again to our sponsors, the fine folk over at Squarespace Timing and Encapsular.
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Federico is online.
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He is at the tchviticci and he's at maxstories.net.
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Steven is at ismh.
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He is at fivetopixels.net and go to fivetopixels on YouTube and you'll find stuff about computers
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like the one he has with him today.
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I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E.
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We'll be back next time.
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Thank you so much for listening.
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Until then, say goodbye guys.
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[ Applause ]