177: Whatever State Asparagus Is Born In
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Hey, this is Connected, episode 177.
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It is brought to you by our sponsors, Squarespace, Pingdom, and Timing.
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My name is Stephen Hackett. This is a terrible intro, and I'm joined by my co-host Myke Hurley. How are you?
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I'm very well.
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And Federico, are you still with us?
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Hi, yes, is this an NPR show? It felt like one. Your intro, another?
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Very calm introduction.
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We're going to talk about policies and tax incentives. Our next segment is about asparagus
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farming in rural whatever state asparagus is born in.
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Okay, we have follow-up. We start with follow-up at the beginning.
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I think we need to give some context to people as to what the heck is going on right now.
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I think it's fine. I think we just blast right through this.
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Okay, great.
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is Wednesday January 24th this is our new day. Do you need to give us the date? Yeah,
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there's no rules anymore. Five years of show history evaporated Federico when you changed
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the day of the show. So basically every time you do the show you need to remind people
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that it's Wednesday because they don't know. Well today is the first Wednesday. You see
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you don't want to change days and not walk people through that life change. So today
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Wednesday and next time we do the show it will also be Wednesday and then it'll be normal. So just a couple of weeks of transition
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it's our new time and
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It's fine. The alpha big transition is that
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Steven is now taking over the production of the show
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Hence why he's now introducing the show Steven is the host of connected now forever
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If there's any editing problems problems problems problems problems though that week I didn't do it and I'm just tweet at I Myke
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Yeah, that was me that week. That was me that week. Okay, so let's do follow-up. We're gonna start with
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Meltdown everyone's favorite CPU
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Vulnerability Apple has patched Mac OS 10.11 at 10.12 and 10.13
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As of this week, so there's a High Sierra 10 13.3 update and a security update for the older OS's
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There's also new Safari versions for 10, 11, 12, and 13 that take care of the specter side of things.
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So if you're on something older than 10/11, it's probably time.
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I mean unless you have something that's really keeping you on 10/9 or earlier, I think at this point
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it's probably okay to upgrade because this is a pretty big deal.
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I'm glad Apple went back to 10/11. Usually they only
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support the current OS and one back. Sometimes they go two back for some stuff, but I'm really glad they've done this and
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If you're running 10, 11, 12, or 13,
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you know, when you get a second,
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hit Software Update in the Mac App Store
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because there are things waiting for you
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and then you'll be more secure.
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- Yeah. - Way to go.
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- I'm kind of disappointed
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because I upgraded to High Sierra because of this.
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- Although I will say, upgrading to High Sierra
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fixed a login items bug for me, so that was good.
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Basically for the last maybe six months,
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every time I turn on my iMac, which is every day
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'cause I was just turned my iMac off.
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The reason I do this is because my USB device,
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so like it's called the USB pre 2,
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it's like the audio device that I plug my microphone into.
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- Yes, me too.
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- It stays on if my iMac is sleeping and I don't like that.
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I just don't want it to stay on
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'cause it's an expensive piece of equipment
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and I just get concerned about its lifetime
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if it's on 24/7. - Me too.
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I turn my iMac off every day.
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So basically every time I turn my iMac on, I had to open TextExpander, Dropbox, and Alfred
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every single time.
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And nothing that I could do, even using Steven Hackett's WISE skills, could fix this.
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But upgrading to High Sierra did fix it, so I got that.
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Man, you have far fewer login items than I do.
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No, no, I have like maybe eight or nine login items.
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just those three, no matter what I did, wouldn't work. Everything else worked, just those three
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wouldn't work. So that was fun.
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You turned off your iMac. I honestly didn't think you did that. But it makes sense if
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you don't use it often. It just reminded me, as you were talking about, the fact that you
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turned off your computer. When I was younger, when I was a kid, my father was obsessed with
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off electronics at night and like there was a period of time I think he read it
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on a newspaper or something that even all those LEDs that you get on
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televisions and like the answering machine or computers basically anything
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needed to be turned off at night and that was really inconvenient for me
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because also you know maybe I left my computer to download something it was in
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the early days of you know downloading mp3s and stuff from the internet or for
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example my PlayStation and suddenly my dad in the middle of the night like 2 a.m. because
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he also suffered for insomnia or something, he couldn't sleep, he would just basically
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walk into my room and turn off anything he could find and yeah that was terrible. It
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was like you see this guy walking into your room in the middle of the night turning off
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and unplugging stuff while also talking and saying things like "oh it never turns off
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anything here." And I was really upset. I would be like, "Dad, please keep my computer
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on because I'm downloading songs." And I was like, "You need to listen to songs on music
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tapes, not on a computer." It was a really, I was a really struggling, you know, technology
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enthusiast when I was younger. And my dad was really upset about all the electronics
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turned out at night. And this is something that has stuck with me. So whenever someone
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mentions turning off computers, I get kind of triggered for that memory. So thanks Myke.
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Well, I mean, at least I'm not sneaking around. I mean, I know what I'm going to do to you.
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Next time we share a room, I'm just going to turn off everything.
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It was real creepy. It would like unplug stuff and I could feel that it was angry about it.
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I'm going to do that to you.
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It's yanking cables out of the wall.
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wake up in the morning and like your phone has been turned off like just straight up
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it's just off. Apple Watch is off. Everything's off.
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This is my nightmare. This is my nightmare scenario. My nightmare vacation is my roommate
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turning stuff off. You've given me too much power here, man.
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You shouldn't have told me this. We share rooms every year. Like I'm going to turn all
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your stuff off. God. Anyway, yeah.
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I wanted to do a little follow out to episode 39 of App Stories. Federico, I'm not sure
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if you know this that's another podcast that you do. It's a podcast I do. It is a great
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podcast that I enjoy very much and I just want to say it is not a relay FM show and
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we get I get this a lot and I just want everyone to know not that I wouldn't be proud of it
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it's just not right like I feel like all the time people ask me questions somebody said
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to me a few days ago why did you cancel app stories? I was like I did! Because he couldn't
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find it, someone couldn't find it on the Real AFM website. I can understand why people would
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think it, because Federico has three shows on Real AFM, but this just isn't, because
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this is the Max Stories production.
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When John sent us the tweet of someone saying "Why did you cancel App Stories?" I was like
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I'm sorry to all the App Stories listeners.
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I thought we would get this question, but not to the point where "Why did you cancel
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- So much fear in that person.
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So at least you know they love your show.
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- It is a good show.
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So this episode, most recent episode,
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was about the Mac App Store.
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It is, I don't know what the right word is,
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stagnant, forgotten, depressing.
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It's not great.
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And the two of you talk about maybe some solutions to that.
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And I think that it was really great,
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especially in light of this story,
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the sort of like background radiation
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to everything right now,
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that iOS and Mac OS apps are going to join forces somehow,
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or be on a shared framework, or be one unit,
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no one really knows.
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But I thought it was really good,
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and I want to point listeners to that,
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because I think if you like connected,
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I think you're gonna like app stories,
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but in particular this episode was,
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I thought, really insightful about something
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that we don't talk about very much.
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- Thank you.
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- I've actually enjoyed the last three episodes quite a lot.
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Not that they're not all good,
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but like just the last three I remember enjoying.
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- Thank you. - Quite a lot.
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One of them included friend of the show, James Thompson,
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which is a nice segue into our next follow-up item.
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I received a box at home today.
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I opened the box and found a trophy inside the box
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because I finished the year
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as the fastest completion person.
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I have the fastest time in level one of the Peacock game that's inside of the about screen.
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And James sent me a trophy. I've never had a trophy for anything. This is my first ever
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That's really sad.
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It's okay. I'm not very sporty. And I'm very proud of this because I put a lot of time
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into becoming the fastest at the game level. And I am the winner. I am the winner forever.
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I just want to take a moment to thank everybody who helped make this possible for me
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Congratulations Myke like who you're not gonna name him on the air. That's kind of kind of rude
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Well as I said in my tweet Craig Federighi the Stig my parents and James Thompson
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I couldn't understand because I think there was a typo in oh, no. Sorry. I didn't pronounce it right. It's Craig Federighi. He's my
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Driving tutors my driving to this you you would think it would that what I was trying to say was Craig Federighi
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is like a funny joke about Apple, but I was just legitimately thanking my driving coach,
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Craig Fidergi. So this is a joke, right? I'm not getting the joke, but it's a joke. What's
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the joke? Craig Fidergi? My driving coach. It's just a funny coincidence. Do you have
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a driving coach? You don't have a driving coach? His name is Craig Fidergi. I just told
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you. No, no. This is British humor. This is British humor that I don't get. This is a
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bad joke. It's really British. I think it's a good joke. I think there's a lot of people
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that laughing at this, but you guys just don't get it. Yeah, yeah. But I got a real trophy.
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It's a real trophy. It's got my name on it and it's sitting up on my mantle with an orange
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brain ball. Thank you, James. I'm happy for you, Myke. I know that you care about the
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game a lot. I saw a story in TechCrunch. The Amazon Alexa app for Android will now have
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the Alexa smart assistant built into it as well as just being an application that is for managing your
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devices. So this is apparently coming to iOS soon but one of the benefits of doing this on Android
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and probably the reason that they did it first is that some devices will allow you to summon
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Alexa from any like with your device being shut off or whatever right like you can have your
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like you would be asking for Google Assistant or Siri.
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Right, you can set not only default apps, but like default voice assistants.
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Yeah. So this is interesting.
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It's coming to iOS in some way, probably just like how the Google Assistant app
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works, right?
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Where you can just open the app and just give it a command.
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I mean, it's a good thing to have, I guess, like just so you've got it.
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But really, more than anything,
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I just want them to do some work to refine the janky iOS app.
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like it's the Alexa app is like just not very well refined it's just not very good.
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Yeah I mean it's interesting because I have used third-party like Amazon echo
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apps that like use the voice service API to let you issue commands and they tend
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to support most most of the functionality that you would get from an
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actual speaker but they don't have you know stuff like Spotify for example or
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some I think some of them do not offer the voice brief briefing feature so I
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want to see if Amazon is able to bring the actual complete feature set from the
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actual from the from the physical speaker on to the the the iPhone version
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I'm surprised that it's becoming part of the app that I said it I'm sorry because
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Because I see that app as the configuration screen basically for the Amazon Echo speakers
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and all the skills.
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And to have the assistant built in, I would have liked I think a separate utility that
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is just like a microphone that shows you what is going on when you speak.
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So maybe it's an opportunity to improve the native app or maybe it's just more clutter
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into the Amazon app.
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So we'll see what happens.
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Yup, I mean, I guess it's like a way, I guess it's some kind of way for people that don't
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have the devices to try it out, maybe?
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Yeah, like a demo, yeah.
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Yeah, but like, I don't know if people would really do that, but I guess it's one of those
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things where it's like, well, if we can do it, why would you not try it?
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I mean, it's, the functionality on the phone is limited anyway, because really it's more
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meant to. You know, the Amazon Assistant is meant to be used in actual speakers around
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the house. So it is like a demo on the smartphone anyway. Also because on the iPhone, as you
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mentioned, you don't get the full access, like you cannot change the default assistant.
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So it's like it's another app you need to open, kind of like the Google Voice Search
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and the Google Assistant, you need to open that. And yes, you can save time with 3D touch
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shortcuts and widgets and stuff like that but it's never gonna be as easy as
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Siri so I want to try it out I want to see I want to see what it's like mostly
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I'm interested in whether they redo the design of the of the official app or not.
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I just want it to be a better app. Yeah I'm not optimistic about it.
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And moving the show to Wednesday we have a bunch of news to talk about that we would
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have missed otherwise.
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So it's like coincidence really.
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First we have the HomePod that is available for pre-order on Friday, January 26th in the
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US, UK and Australia and it ships Friday, February 9th.
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So two weeks later.
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What do you guys think about this?
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I feel like the reaction to this has been very subdued at least in our circles.
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Well, I think it is strange that we still don't know many of the details we wanted to
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know about this product. And I think there's this problem with a lot of folks who are saying,
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"Well, this is just a plain boring speaker by Apple, and it's basically the new iPod
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Hi-Fi. Do not expect anything magical or mysterious suddenly appearing when you get one." And
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There's the other side that says, clearly we don't know enough about this product, there
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must be features that Apple has not told us about.
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And even though it is strange that we haven't seen embargoed reviews from, for example,
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high profile audio, some very specific audio blogs, for example.
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So there's people who tend to believe we're going to see multi-user support, we're going
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to see more details about how it works with your local iTunes library.
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And there's those who think, no, this is just a speaker.
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That's what it is.
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They do not support the new AirPlay 2 stuff at launch.
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They do not support even stereo mode.
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And this is all you get.
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It's just a speaker.
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And it's not going to have multi-user.
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It's not going to have all the other things that you think it will have.
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I don't know what I think.
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I'm going to get one.
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So I'm going to try.
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John is going to get one in the US for me and he's going to ship it to me.
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I'm going to spend a lot of money, but I really want this product because I need to write
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about it and I need to talk about it.
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Because having hot takes is really important for our businesses.
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And so I'm excited about the idea of having an easy way to stream music to the speaker
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using the control center UI that does not require bluetooth but that's not good enough
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of a reason to justify this kind of purchase.
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So I'm curious to try the SiriKit stuff.
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I want to see how well it works with HomeKit.
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I want to see how well it works with Things for example which is my task manager that
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supports SiriKit.
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I don't think we'll get like when you get when you take the HomePod out of the box you
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You will realize, oh, this thing supports multi-user and supports a bunch of things
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that Apple didn't tell us about.
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So I tend to fall more on the other side of the discussion of, this is what you get, Apple
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has a press release, you will not get what it's not in the press release.
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I am, I would say, to give you a number if this can be quantified, 60% excited about
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the HomePod.
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I'm not sure how else we can...
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moderate to not excited is I guess 60%.
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Steve Trouton Smith summed this up really nicely in a tweet. He said "HomePod is only
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mysterious if you're still hoping it has secret features Apple hasn't announced. Reality is
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it's just a straightforward boring product that does just what it says on the marketing
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page and eight months later still unable to ship with all the features advertised." I
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liked that summary because it's like you're saying about like multi-user features like
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what else oh like people digging through the pages what other secret things the answer
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is none it's it's it is a product which didn't have a lot of features to begin with and has
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less when it launches than we even expected because there's no AirPlay 2 support which
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is very strange. That is something which I've really been trying to like get my head around.
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Like why are they doing this? Why are they releasing a product that was already late
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without one of the core features? It seems strange to me.
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It is strange. I cannot get my head around why do they feel the urge to release this product now.
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My only theory is that the production line is ready,
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these devices are ready to be manufactured,
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and the AirPlay 2 release date,
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Apple said later this year,
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I don't think it means what a lot of people think it means,
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I don't think it means October,
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I don't think it means iOS 12,
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I think it means iOS 11.3 at some point.
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It's not in the beta one
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that was just ceded to developers today.
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But if you look in the release notes,
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it seems to imply that Siri control for AirPlay 2
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is not available in this beta, but will be later on.
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So my only theory is that Apple really wants to
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release this product now,
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because they want to clear the deck
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for whatever it is that they have coming next.
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And AirPlay 2 will not be delayed by six or seven months,
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but just by like one to two months,
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whatever the beta time for 11.3 is.
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So from that perspective, it's still strange,
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but if it's not October,
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then I can see why it might make sense.
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- I mean, I would use those same facts the other direction,
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that if Airplay 2 and all this stuff
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is only six to eight weeks out,
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then hold the product six to eight weeks
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and then ship something that does what you said it would do.
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Like, I think it's gonna be,
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I mean, it may be in 11.3 at some point,
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I don't think it's I don't think it's that soon or I mean, why would you go through all of the
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The negativity that this product is going through this week. Yeah, if just waiting on another month
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You're already behind you already missed the year, you know
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Why go through a second round of of disappointment from users and pundits the lead of every review is?
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Going to talk about the fact that this product is half-baked. Yep, like
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That is the story for every single websites review is that it is a half baked half baked
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Product which was always half baked to begin with right because Siri is only doing so much
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Compared to its competitors, right? Like they isn't even full Siri in there, right?
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There's like some there's that weird things that it does and doesn't do
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So it was that was where it was starting from and now it's starting even further back from that because there are significant features
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That do not work and I mean like so here's the thing
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one of the big things is like stereo mode and multi-room audio, right which
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by and large probably isn't that important because
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How many people are buying multiple ones of these immediately and I know that the multi-room audio works with existing products
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But like the people that have those
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Already have those products anyway in their homes, right? So like they probably have an existing system which already has multi-room audio
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It's not about like what you're getting and what you're not getting
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it's like the story of the entire product and the story of this product is
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It is not finished
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So why is it being shipped? Like it is not a new version of a product
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it doesn't compete with anything else that Apple makes. It is this whole wholly
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contained thing which is like a new slice of their music business. Nothing is
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pushing them on this. Like if the best they're ever gonna do for this product
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from a PR perspective is a press release it could come out at any time. Right?
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It's not like they had an event for this two weeks ago thinking Airplay 2 was gonna be done by now and they realize it's not
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But now they've had the events that they got to ship it
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Like this was a product that literally nobody has seen outside of the original
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Demos at WWDC which from what we can understand from the people that attended those were very stripped down
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You couldn't touch it couldn't talk to it could only listen to it. Like that's all we've had
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Nobody else has seen it. There's been no other communication about it except that it was going to be delayed and now like here it is
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Pooped out to the world, right? It's just like a hit. Ah, there you go. Oh, by the way, it doesn't work probably
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It's weird. Well
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defend Apple on a regular basis will tell you that this product shouldn't be
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reviewed or considered from a Siri perspective, but as a high-end audio perspective.
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And from that point of view Apple really wanted to make a high-end speaker and they made one and now they're launching this speaker.
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And that is a point of view that I really do not understand because...
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Well, my argument on that would be a high-end speaker in 2018 would support some kind of multi-room audio.
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Exactly, and I
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highly doubt that a consumer company like Apple that is pushing this speaker with Siri
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functionality really thinks that high-end audio is not a niche and that actually the
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majority of their users would be interested in stuff like Siri controls or HomeKit. I
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don't see any of my friends or any of the people I know being really interested in "Oh
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I'm going to the electronics store because I'm buying a high-end audio
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High-end audio device a high-end speaker. It's just not something that normal people say or think or do
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Realistically like the people are people not just listening to music from their phone speakers now like
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Right. Yes. Is that not just what people do? I feel like that's what people do. Yeah
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Steven I have a question for you. Can Apple just not
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find a way to make successful products that play audio,
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right, like is this just iPod Hi-Fi 2?
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Is that what this is?
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- I hope, I mean I hope not,
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'cause that did not go very well.
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The Hi-Fi, by the way, sounds great.
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Jason Snell has one, I have one,
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we both use ours on a regular basis.
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They're great, but--
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- You use it, you just plug it in
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and use it as like an Auke speaker, right?
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Is that how that works?
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- Yeah, yeah, yep.
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I mean I have a bunch of old iPods
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I could put in the top, but I don't.
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The thing that, I mean I get, I sort of get the joke,
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but I think there's something to this,
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like Apple, the idea of Apple entering an existing category,
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like when they introduced the iPod Hi-Fi,
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they had like a Bose sound dock on stage.
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They're like, we're gonna sound better than that,
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and for the same money or less.
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And it didn't work, but then they do that
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with something like music players or smartphones,
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and it does work.
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So the question is, what side of the divide
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the HomePod fall on? And you know, I don't know, because the iPhone or the iPod all started
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out as really simple products and they became more mature. They didn't do all the things
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that other smartphones or other music players did. But the HomePod feels like it's really
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behind like right out of the gate. And I think the thing that's most concerning to me is
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not the music streaming like so these Apple music and all these other devices you can
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use you know Google Play music or Amazon's music or you can swap in Spotify
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or use other services or the HomePod is only Apple music. I'm not particularly
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worried about that. What I am worried about though is the performance of Siri
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on this thing and Siri can be really frustrating on your phone or on your
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watch and the Echo and I don't have much experience with the Google Home products
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but my understanding is the Google Home products as well work really well with
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voice stuff they they they understand what you say no matter where you are in the room and they
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they turn that into action like in the correct way and how many times have we all asked siri to
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do something and it just responds i'm sorry i can't find this and it's some garbled mess of
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words that sort of sound like what you said and for a device that is primarily operated by your
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voice apple's voice stuff isn't as good as these other companies and that's really i think at the
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heart of your question Myke of is this going to be the HiFi 2.0 I think it's
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going to come down to what is the Siri experience and I have no doubt that the
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HomePod is gonna be able to hear people well it has like six microphones around
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it just like the echo and these other products do I have no doubt the hardware
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is in there for it to hear what I say yeah I bet that this device gets you
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more correctly more of the time because yeah it has a hardware advantage that
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the phones and watches and iPads cannot have, right? Like a microphone array is a
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very different experience, right? Like that and I expect that the HomePod will
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hear you and understand you way better but if but imagine if it doesn't though,
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right? Like I know that's what you're getting at. And hearing is different than
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understanding and that's where I mean like the watch for instance it I think
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always hears what I say. But then what does Siri, the server side component, or
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the logic component, what does that do with it? And that's I think where Apple
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is is behind. And so I'm very curious about how that plays out. People I feel
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like, and this may just be based on my own experience, but I feel like when Siri
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gets things wrong people get really frustrated. I think often because Siri
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is cute about it, which I think is the wrong approach. I don't feel that same
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level of frustration when my echo misunderstands me or is unable to do
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what I asked it. And I think the HomePod is gonna suffer from that existing low
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level frustration people have with Siri. I think for a lot of people it's just
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gonna turn him off. I mean I think I was actually speaking to a friend last night
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about it because he had seen the news and he's not big into tech. I think he
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has like an you know he's nerdy enough to know what I do and understand it but
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He's not real hardcore.
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And this was kind of his thought process,
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was like, you know, Siri's sort of garbage on my phone,
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so why would I want to buy a speaker with Siri in it?
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And I was like, you know what?
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That's a really legitimate question.
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And I think Apple has to prove that they can get it right.
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- Something that I'm interested to want
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to see how this works, right?
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Like, my expectation is you say,
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hello there, Siri, play Fleetwood Mac.
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and that is expected then for the HomePod to just start playing music, right?
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Like that's what I would expect it to do.
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Let's say I'm in my kitchen very frequently between me and my kitchen,
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like say like from my kitchen to where I would put a HomePod maybe next to my TV.
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There is like a minefield of iOS devices,
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right? I have one attached to my wrist, one in my pocket,
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and then maybe two iPads and if it's in a home, another phone,
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between where I would be and where the HomePod would be, how is that gonna work?
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I'm really interested to see what the plan is that like if a HomePod
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is attached to your Apple ID or whatever or if like your phone knows that a HomePod
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is nearby, does it prioritize the HomePod? Because that would be
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really annoying right? Like if I was asking it and like for example with my
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with my echoes, standing in certain places in my house, I might get picked up
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by the one that I don't want it to pick me up on and that's really annoying but
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I only have like two or three of those and they're like stretched throughout
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the house but in the same room that I would be controlling my HomePod there
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are multiple iOS devices. So I'm keen to see how that works.
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I think it should probably do, like, if there's a HomePod on the network, and then if it establishes
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that the iPhone is nearby, but the HomePod can hear you, in just a fraction of a second
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it should activate the HomePod by default. So there should be like a two-step check.
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First is the HomePod on the network, and then is the iPhone nearby, and can the HomePod
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pick up your voice better than the iPhone.
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So that's a very complex kind of setup of technology
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of being able to get this right.
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I cannot complain about how the voice activation
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for Siri works when you have multiple iOS devices
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in front of you.
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It seems to be working quite well for me
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and it tends to go to the active device
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that I'm actually using.
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So I'm optimistic that this basic stuff is gonna work.
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What concerns me the most is the SiriKit stuff for third-party apps and the way that
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for example, I don't want to be in the situation where
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Trying to save a task in things and it doesn't work because the communication with the iPhone is broken
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Do we know like how much computation the home pod is actually doing like if there is no phone? What can it do?
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Well, no, SiriKit
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So it will be able to control music and do basic things but like if I want to ask
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To add a task to things or if I want to order a lift
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None of that will work. No, no
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Because the iPhone with the actual brain for circuit with the actual apps is not around and that's the problem with circuit that it depends
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on software being
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Locally installed on your device. It's not like talking to a server and that's the big problem
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So like if I'm not around, what I want to know is if I'm not around my iPhone is with me
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But my iPad is at home and Silvia decides
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I should put a task in Federico's task manager and she talks to the HomePod
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I'm not around the iPad with things on it is does it work?
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The question my question would be does it allow Silvia who is another voice talking to the HomePod
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Does it give her access to SiriKit? And second,
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does it know that I'm not around but the iPad is? Is it able to say Federico is not around but one of his devices is?
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So I would assume that it's an iPad so the iPad does not talk to the HomePod.
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It's just one iPhone. But what if I have multiple iPhones?
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I would assume that just one iPhone can be the admin iPhone. So my
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answer would be it will not work when I'm not around even if I have multiple devices, even if I have multiple iPhones,
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because just one iPhone can be the administrator device for the HomePod and
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I need to be home. But if I'm home and
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Silvia talks to it, then I think it will work. Which is a, you know, a whole other problem about
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multi-user access and all that. So how are we gonna find out the answers to these questions?
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How are we gonna do this?
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Well, we're gonna, Steven and I, we're gonna run some tests and
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You're both buying these then right? You've decided that? Yes. Okay.
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I thought I was gonna get a white one, but I think Apple slightly updated the black color fabric
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Whatever and they have new marketing photos. I think it looks much much better
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It's actual black not dark space grey as before
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So I'm gonna get a black one also because it blends in better with the furniture in my kitchen slash living room
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And I will ask Sylvia to help me with tests
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I will perform multiple scenarios where I pretend to be sleeping and Sylvia's asking questions to the HomePod
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I leave my iPhone at home. I
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Walk out of the house with my iPhone see what happens. I've run a whole bunch of tests for you Myke
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So this is like two weeks away for ships. Is that right?
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And Steven you're still gonna buy one. I am really because I like Federico. I feel like I need to
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Talk about it for work. So we're an Apple music family, but we have a bunch of Amazon echoes
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And so I pay for the whatever it does, whatever it is like five bucks a month
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Amazon's like echo only streaming plan and honestly guys, it's it's good
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Like I don't think we've had hardly anything asked of the echo that it can't play
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It does a really good job. And so I'm not looking to replace the echo
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But that is going to be I think my approach in my review is
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Hey, I unplugged my echo and I put this and its place in the kitchen. Did my family murder me?
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Thankfully all of our smart home stuff is both home kit and echo compatible
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So it's not like we're gonna lose access to that sort of stuff
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but I'm gonna I'm gonna swap it in for our kitchen echo and
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Just see see how it goes because I mean even as recently as iOS
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11.2.5 is the new version one of the things we use all the time is now part of Siri we say hey
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Assistant voice
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Ask or you know tell me the news right and so it plays a four minute NPR news thing and then says the weather
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we use that on our echo all the time and
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Now Siri can do that and and so that was kind of one of those things on my mental checklist of what do we ask?
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The echo all the time that the home pod can't do and so I think for our purposes it will
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It will do probably everything we want it to do, but I'm curious how well it does it and if it's frustrating and
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You know the echo does a pretty good job at
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reading web contents if you ask it sort of
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Data questions it can go out and read stuff from the internet and Siri doesn't do that very well
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Unless you're kind of in default categories
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so I'm gonna replace my echo in the kitchen and see what happens and
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If I never come back on the show is because my family murdered me for it. I'm
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I'm very keen to see
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How you two get on with it?
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Because I really I don't know what to think about it
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So I'm looking forward to hearing more about that in a couple of weeks from you both. Yeah
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I should say before we move on to the next segment. I've been liking Siri lately.
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I know that it's still dumb and it drives me crazy every single time.
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Like today I wanted to text John and he couldn't get like a simple sentence right.
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But it works most of the time. Just when it doesn't I'm upset.
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But you know for controlling lights, listening, you know streaming Apple music
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because yes, I still use both Spotify and Apple Music.
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Reading, you know, like the other day,
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I wanted to see what was going on
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because I hadn't watched TV or read,
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you know, news websites for a while.
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And so I asked, "Show me the popular news," and it worked.
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So I use it more than ever,
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which is not a lot, but also more than zero times a day.
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So I think it needs to get,
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Siri needs to get a lot better at the very basics
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at chaining multiple commands together.
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There's a bunch of improvements that I want Siri to,
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you know, to go through,
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but I'm looking forward to the HomePod
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also because my experience with Siri lately
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hasn't been as startable as in the past.
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So we'll see how it goes.
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- All right, so stay tuned.
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Alright, so today as we record this, which is the 24th of January, Apple released something
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on the PR newsroom about iOS 11.3, which is coming sometime in the spring.
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There is a developer beta available now.
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It includes in it some stuff that we expected, some stuff we could have guessed and some
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brand new things all in all.
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So Federico, I know that you got out the quill today and put your blogging hat back on and
00:43:40
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you wrote up some of the changes over at MacStories.
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So one of the things that is happening, one of the things that is coming of 11.3, that
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Apple detailed today is ARKit 1.5.
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What will ARKit 1.5 enable in AR apps?
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It'll fix one of the most popular complaints
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that developers of the original ARKit
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reported last year, which was the lack of support
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for recognizing and placing objects on vertical surfaces
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instead of horizontal ones.
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The first ARKit only supported horizontal surfaces
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like tables or chairs or something like that.
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Now, ARKit 1.5 will support recognizing walls, doors,
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anything that is vertical, it'll be able to recognize and place
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graphics on.
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In addition to that, Apple is adding support
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for recognizing 2D images.
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They say things like signs, posters,
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something that is recognized as a 2D image
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can be fed to the ARKIt engine.
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And developers will be able to use that information
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to overlay graphics and do crazy things with.
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One of the examples that Apple provided
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was like an interactive museum experience,
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where as you're walking around,
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you're pointing the iPhone at a painting on the wall,
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and the painting gets recognized,
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and you get custom graphics around it,
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like explanations or animations or more details.
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Stuff that we tend to see in,
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kind of like in, usually in sci-fi movies,
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of you move around and you see this kind of virtual reality
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mixing in with the graphics on your phone, as seen by the camera.
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I mean, this is the use case that people imagine.
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It's perfect. It's perfect.
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It's the kind of idea of I'm pointing my phone at something
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and these custom graphics and details and information is also available on the screen.
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And to make that happen...
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So is this a mix of ARKit and Core ML?
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I don't know. See, that's what I don't know.
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Apple says that the 2D images gets
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recognized by advanced computer vision techniques, which
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should mean that the vision framework is also involved,
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because that's what the vision framework could do,
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recognize rectangles, for example.
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And I would assume that developers then need to--
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like if you're a museum and you're
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working on a custom ARKit app for your exhibition,
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you would have to implement something like beacons,
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for example, to say the user is standing near to this painting
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and we see a rectangle in the camera,
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then we can infer that this is indeed the painting
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we assume it is.
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So stuff like that should be possible.
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Also, Apple says that the camera should
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be sharper and more responsive, because there's
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a doubled resolution and autofocus is also
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available in the ARKit camera mode.
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So nice improvements to see before iOS 12.
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I'm surprised to see vertical surfaces this year.
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So that's great.
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Yeah I'm happy about that actually. I think that's cool because we were just putting up
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some pictures a couple of days ago and I tried to use some ARKit apps and it didn't feel
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very great. It just felt like it was a little bit janky. It was fine with floor stuff but
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not with the walls. It works but not amazingly so I'm happy to see them adding this in. I
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think this is a really really excellent addition which is going to enable many more experiences
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I think so, especially when you consider like, I want to see what Apple does with this.
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I keep thinking that ARKit mode in Maps would be perfect, especially now that it can recognize
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I could imagine like walking directions with ARKit and maybe you want to double check,
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you want to confirm that you're making the right turn, you can point out a street sign
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or stuff like that.
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That would be cool.
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But I think before we see any new major built-in ARKit modes
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that Apple takes seriously in iOS,
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I think we'll have to wait for ARKit 2 at least.
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So it still seems like Apple is gathering feedback
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from developers to make ARKit better, to nail the basics.
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And then maybe eventually we'll see
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some first-party Apple stuff with ARKit in iOS 12, I guess.
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- I'm happy to see that they have updated this.
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they've put these changes in place before WWDC.
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- I think that's good.
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That like says a lot about ARKit, right?
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They wanna make it better quickly.
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- Especially if you consider the,
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there was a story a few weeks ago that,
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I think from Sensor Tower or some other analytics firm
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that it was phrased such as only X thousands apps
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our support ARKit, but it was meant to sound like the adoption is not good enough.
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And so I don't know if Apple was, you know, if that story pushed Apple to say no, we're
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moving up some features in ARKit 1.5, but I don't think so.
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It's just a natural evolution of things.
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You know, Apple and Tim Cook seem to be really behind ARKit, so they have this aggressive
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schedule it seems.
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And at this point, we could only speculate that ARKit 2 is coming at WWDC, and it'll
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have horizontal and vertical surface recognition built in.
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So, you know, it's exciting.
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I still haven't found, like, the killer app for ARKit,
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you know, the app that I use every single day.
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So I want to see what they do for Virgin, too.
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-Something that I think we all could have expected
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is new Animoji.
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Four new Animoji -- a dragon, a bear, a skull, and a lion --
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are being added of iOS 11.3. I feel like that whilst this probably isn't going to drive a
00:49:46
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ton of people, it feels like this is just like how a lot of people believe that emoji helps drive
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iOS adoption rates. I'm sure that an emoji will help, not to the same level, but like I expect
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there'll be some people that will want to get the cute lion and emoji, so we'll update for that.
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The skull looks wicked though. Yeah, the skull is the new alien. It's crazy.
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But it looks better than the alien.
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It looks better. It does.
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Business chat has been enabled.
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Our favorite feature.
00:50:19
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I don't think we need to talk about what business chat does
00:50:21
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because all people need to do is go back and listen to episode 147
00:50:25
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where Tchee-Tchee-teached us all about it.
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We haven't done a Tchee-Tchee-teach us in a while, Myke.
00:50:31
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Well, because we need to wait for the next WWDC, right?
00:50:35
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That's the idea that you were teaching us about all of the API enhancements.
00:50:38
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because I wasn't going to watch those session videos but you could and then I
00:50:43
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felt like it was good it was helping you get the thinking for the review done so
00:50:47
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that will be after WWDC next year we'll go back to teach you teachers for a bit
00:50:51
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unless you have anything specific like Taekwondo or something that you want to
00:50:54
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you want to like impart your knowledge onto the world. Oh so we're branching out
00:50:58
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branching out to different topics okay okay all right I think if you got some
00:51:03
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things there's something you really want to talk about you can have the floor the
00:51:06
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The business chat will be coming. Is it coming with the release? Is that the plan?
00:51:12
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It's coming with the release as a beta still. So they're launching the beta with 11.3.
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But this is a beta for people, right? Like people can use it.
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A public one, yes.
00:51:21
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Yeah, right now it's like just for businesses to test their testing stuff.
00:51:26
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Batteries and performance were called out specifically, but it seems like nothing is
00:51:31
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in the developer beta yet, what have Apple said will be in the batteries and performance
00:51:37
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section of 11.3?
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There will be two features. One is you will be able to check the health of your battery
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and get a message if it needs to be serviced and this will be supported on iPhone models
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starting with the iPhone 6 up until the latest ones, I think.
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And the second feature is that you will be able as a whole sentence about this, but basically
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you will be able to turn off the throttling of your iPhone CPU if you don't want the feature.
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And this will allow you to say, I don't care about unexpected shutdowns, I like to leave
00:52:19
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dangerously and I want to keep the option disabled.
00:52:23
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And this will be supported on the iPhone models from the iPhone 6 up until the iPhone 7 and
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7 Plus, not on the latest ones, the 8 and the 10, because they do not have throttling
00:52:38
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So, two features, not available today, coming in a little beta, and basically this is what
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Tim Cook said in an interview, because now Tim Cook leaks beta features.
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Two features for battery and performance.
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Nine to five, Tim.
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I wonder, like there isn't anything in here and I wonder if they're going to add it.
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Are you going to be notified that this is affecting you?
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Or do you have to go and look?
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It is not clear.
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It seems Apple does not mention notifications.
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It would be the right thing to do, right?
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To tell people, "Hey, we noticed something in your battery and we're doing X."
00:53:19
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but also telling people is the first step to get people to, you know, get a battery
00:53:27
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at a cheaper price because there's a discount. So I don't know if Apple wants to do notifications.
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They should though because it's the right thing to do. But there's no mention of this
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feature yet.
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Question for both of you. If for whatever reason this like starts to catch up and it
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ends up like halfway through a cycle this starts happening. Would you turn off the throttling
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or leave it on?
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That's a good question.
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I would leave it on. I do not want my iPhone to randomly shut down while I'm at the airport
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or at the gate or something.
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Do you want your iPhone to run slowly?
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How much? That's my question.
00:54:08
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I would turn it off and see, right? Like I would want to see, like what is the difference
00:54:14
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on a daily basis? That's how I would want to make my decision. But like I would like
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100% turn it off to see what it was like and then kind of make my mind up.
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Yeah, I agree. I also never had a phone with the unexpected shutdown problem. Sylvia doesn't
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either she she's on an iPhone 7. I've heard from people who had this problem
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so I would like to see and try what happens. I do not expect the difference
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to be massive unless your your battery is really in a bad state and I don't
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think because we change phones every year I don't think we will ever be at
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that point the three of us so we can try we can try see what it's like. But like
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Steven you you like the fastest of fast machines now I know that's your new
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thing in 2018 if you and your iMac Pro would you be able to live with a
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throttled iPhone? I agree with Federico having my phone shut off is way worse
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which is why Apple made the right decision here they just didn't tell
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anybody. My hope would be that they send a notification but I've talked to a
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lot of Apple Store employees from like they all email me all of them and they're
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dying like they are they are dying they were being crushed by a wave of people
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who want batteries. So maybe maybe I could see Apple doing notifications but
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in like staggered releases right like they they alert 15% of users or
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whatever I don't know but I'm glad to see it's there. I think putting the the
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the toggle in there I understand why they're doing it politically but I think
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that I would I would leave it safe and sound but you know I you know it's the
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beauty of having a new phone every year. I'm not gonna be caught by that. I am
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very curious if my wife's two-year-old iPhone SE is going to be affected. I've
00:56:03
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not run Geekpinch on it because I don't want to know because if once I know then
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I have to go put a battery in it and then I got to deal with the Apple store
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so I'm just letting her float along for now. Sorry Mary. What else have we got? So
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health records. What is this health records thing? This is an initiative by
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Apple with select medical institutions so far in the United States that
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basically if your hospital or clinic they integrate with Apple so
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this is something that needs to be done at a technical and administrative level
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between Apple and these institutions but if they support each other essentially
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Apple can read data from these institutions and the institutions can
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push data to the Apple service, you will be able to get your lab results, your allergies,
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your upcoming procedures, this medical information synced in a unified interface in the Health
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app, which is a new section called Health Records.
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There's a few, Apple has a list of the institutions that will support this feature when iOS 11.3
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I think it's a great idea, especially because having been in and out of hospitals for problems
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in the past, I know that there's a lot, especially now I'm referring to Italy, but there's a
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lot of fragmentation of getting paper records printed out and somebody gives you a CD, other
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people give you a document, and then some people email you a PDF, other people print
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out the PDF, but it's a really bad quality. So having this kind of unification would be
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amazing, especially because it's got encryption and passcode access and all that.
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I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I don't care what anyone says. When you go to those
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hospitals they're still using the paper. Where you get it on your phone, which is great,
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but I cannot imagine any medical institution not being horrifically behind the times, even
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if they've adopted something cool and fancy. They're like, "Oh yes, yes, we're just bringing
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up your records now!" And like you just sneak in a look at a piece of paper on the desk.
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I honestly cannot see any hospital in Italy, not at least in the next 15 years adopting
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this protocol. Unless Tim Cook becomes the president of Italy, and which given our current
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situation would be ideal I guess, I do not see this coming to Italy anytime soon because
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I do not have any faith in our infrastructure.
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Obviously, in the US, at these institutions listed by Apple,
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the situation appears to be better.
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They are modern.
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They support APIs and concepts like that.
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So that's awesome.
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There's a list in the Apple--
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Apple has a dedicated press release about this feature.
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And there will be more information on a web page
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that Apple, I think it's apple.com/healthcare
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or something like that.
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So I think it's great.
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I think it's very consumer friendly.
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The interface looks really nice.
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Lab results and stuff like that does not look nice usually.
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So you get the integration with health
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and you get the integration with health kit
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and you got a nice polished design,
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which is not something that we can usually say
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for medical records.
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So I'm happy to see this.
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I know it's never gonna be available in Italy.
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So it's also kind of weird to say, I wish I could use this,
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because no, I do not wish I could use this.
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But it looks nice.
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I would like to see this open up at some point.
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So right now, there's like a dozen or so hospitals
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and clinics around the US that they're supporting.
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I would like for it to be something
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that other groups could opt into, or even give users
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the tools to enter data, right?
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So things like prescriptions or things like,
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you know, what vaccinations do I have, that sort of thing.
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Giving some framework within HealthKit
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to keep up with that myself, right?
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Because, you know, I'm not in one of those 12-15 hospitals.
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I don't have anything seriously wrong.
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But just for that everyday kind of stuff,
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it would be nice if the Health app could be
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a little more flexible as far as what it holds.
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And so I hope this is the beginning of a larger push
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make digital health records more accessible to everybody, not just those who happen to
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be at these partner hospitals.
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And not mentioned by Apple in the public release, but in the developer beta notes and such,
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iMessages or messages in iCloud is back.
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Yeah, it is.
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Back from the dead.
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I am telling you, Myke, I'm looking at it right now because my small iPad Pro just updated
01:00:59
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This is not my main one. This is the secondary one.
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I still feel though that like messages in iCloud feels like just a not good thing to
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enable on your main iCloud account. Like I would be really concerned about that one.
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I had, I personally had a great experience when it was in beta.
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Oh, of course. Cause you've already done it. I mean, you had just do it again. Why not?
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I've already done it. Personally, I know that a lot of people have problems. It was really
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great for me. I love the feature because I didn't have to delete, you know, messages
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to, you know, the same set of threads and conversations was in sync with the devices.
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It was great. But now I'm looking at it. There's two things that jump out at me. When you launch
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it, there's a splash screen. And for some reason in the first beta of 11.3, you cannot
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take screenshots of set up pages anymore. You know, when you got the onboarding splash
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screen? You cannot take a screenshot of that. They're preventing against you. Well, I'll
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take a photo, whatever. That's what you don't know, though. They're using Core ML to black
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out the photo. It's very impressive stuff. Also, this is probably a minor detail, but
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there's the logo, right? It's the messages icon, but it's in a different shape than the
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the normal app icon on the home screen.
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It kind of looks like the shape from iOS 6 before iOS 7.
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So I don't know.
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It's been in development for a long time.
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Either this is a mistake or somebody has a sense of--
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it's a throwback to the days of iOS 6,
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or Apple is experimenting with the new design language, which
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is, of course, the conspiracy theory that I like to go with.
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This is the new shape of icons.
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I don't think so, but it's funny to mention.
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So I just turned it on and it's doing nothing.
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Not very funny.
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- I've had a weird bug recently on my 12.9 inch iPad
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where messages just go out of order, like just on their own.
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- Like they're just, like I'm sending a message to somebody
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and I send it, then they reply,
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but their reply is before the message that I sent.
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And it's the only way to fix it, it's rebooting.
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The update yesterday addressed that.
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I think it was in the notes.
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Because I ran the update but I haven't experienced that problem today.
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I guess that's why.
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But okay that's good to know that that's been fixed.
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That's been very frustrating recently.
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It's uploading stuff to iCloud it seems.
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I enabled the toggle in the iCloud settings and I assume it's doing something.
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I don't see a progress bar.
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Anyway, it's back, it's here, and from the wording of the release notes, the way that
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Apple phrased it, it seems like they are evaluating the feature in the current beta of 11.3.
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To see if the work they've done has fixed whatever problems they were having, I guess.
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Is there anything that we want to see in this release that either we probably are not going
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to get, we think we're not going to get, or we might get?
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Right, like, do you know what I mean?
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Like what is the type of stuff that we're hoping is actually in the shipping 11.3 that
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maybe hasn't been spoken about today?
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I would love to get your, the idea for keyboard shortcuts that you brought up on Cortex last
01:04:29
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year with CGP Grey about being able to send results from Spotlight to Split View or Slide
01:04:39
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I would love to get those keyboard shortcuts, but I'm checking now there's no...
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Shortcuts for opening apps in split view. Yeah, that would be nice there. There is no keyboard shortcut
01:04:47
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So you could be could put that in the in a full release and I'd be happy I want to see
01:04:52
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Apple pay cash come outside. Yes. Yes
01:04:56
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Yeah, that's not something that they need to beta test right like that could still conceivably be in 11.3
01:05:02
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So I that's what I hope to see Steven. Is there anything that you want dark mode?
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gonna be one of those people. Is there dark mode in this beta?
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I feel like I tried to be constrained. Did they change the whole UI in a 0.3 beta? Did
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they do that? Does it have dark mode?
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If they don't, just keep it. I don't want it.
01:05:28
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All right, I think it's time that we evaluate iOS 11 and High Sierra. It's been about six
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months why don't we do that but before that let me take a moment to thank our final sponsor for
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today's fast moving world the next distraction is right around the corner this makes it harder and
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how much time you've really spent working every day that is why you need an app to help you stay
01:06:03
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on top of your time, but manual time tracking interrupts your workflow and is easy to lose
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This happens to me all the time.
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I sat down this morning and I had been working on something for 15 hours.
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That wasn't correct.
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So this is a thing that like with manual time tracking stuff, you can get into some problems
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because you can, if you forget to turn it off, it will keep going until you're done.
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That is why timing is different because timing automates your time tracking to save you as
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much time as possible. First, it automatically tracks how much time you're spending on your
01:06:36
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Mac, broken down by app, website and document. That's a ton of data to work through, so timing
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lets you drag and drop to create rules that automatically categorize your time.
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Timing also understands that not all of your work happens when you're on your Mac.
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That's why it automatically suggests to fill gaps in your timeline so you never
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forget to track a meeting or a phone call.
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It can even automatically ask you what you did when you return.
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So it's never a case of you having to remember to do it.
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You just get prompted to do it.
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Timing is a great app.
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It's under constant development.
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It looks fantastic.
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Its reports are awesome.
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It really is fantastic.
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If you sit and spend time in front of your Mac every day, this is a really,
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really awesome way to get into time tracking. Timing's so confident that you're going to
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So we're doing a review.
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Let's look at what do you want to start with?
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Should we start with iOS or do you want to start with High Sierra?
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Let's start with the Mac.
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I think I want to hear from Steven about High Sierra.
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So how's High Sierra going for you, Steven?
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So this came to mind for me when I got an email from somebody a couple of weeks ago
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complaining about the headline I used for a High Sierra story.
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It may have even been my review saying that High Sierra is sort of this generation's snow
01:08:23
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Leopard moment. And I think that's what that's how I felt when I reviewed High
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Sierra. The beta process was very smooth for me across multiple Macs, clean
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installs, installs over old versions of Mac OS. I do my homework, which is why I
01:08:38
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told this person. It's like it was fine. It is been the last couple of months
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since it's been out where I think High Sierra has fallen from that high praise.
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we've had lots of security issues. We all remember the root login deal.
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There was a problem just, there was just fixed this week where anyone could
01:09:02
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unlock the App Store system preference which is not a huge deal but that should
01:09:07
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not be possible. It's an embarrassing bug. It is and there's still UI server
01:09:14
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problems for users with certain graphics cards especially in older iMacs. It's
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been buggy and it's been an OS that I think has not lived up to what I hoped
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it would have been and I think honestly how Apple pitched it I think Apple
01:09:29
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didn't say it's the new snow leopard but the language they used was meant for Mac
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fans to feel that way and I don't think it's lived up to that. Just today as
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we're recording there's news that Mac OS server is being depreciated in the
01:09:46
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spring there's only going to be four services out of the 20 that remain.
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What does that mean?
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Which is worrisome if you use Mac OS server.
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What do people use Mac OS server for?
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I'm sorry, I'm really sorry, I don't know.
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So for instance, if you have it in your office and you have your company's contacts and calendars
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shared on a Mac OS server, that's going away.
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If you use it for mail server, if you use it for caching stuff, that's all going away.
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When was Mac OS server last significantly updated?
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With Sierra.
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They didn't even rev it this year with High Sierra.
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That's not a long time then to start deprecating things.
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I thought you were going to say like 10.9 or something.
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They're saying in spring of 2018, now this news is breaking as we've been recording so
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I've just glanced at it, but in spring of 2018 Mac OS server, most of it will be depreciated
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so no calendar contacts, network stuff, mail, net install, a bunch of other stuff is going
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away. So I think that Mac users are frustrated by High Sierra if they, you
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know, if you're kind of a pro user. There's a lot of stuff that's still broken
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under the hood in places and I think it's just a little disappointing that a
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release that was promised to be really focused on polish and fixing little bugs
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has introduced lots of little bugs and some not so little bugs like whatever
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the hell broke with root login like something is clearly very broken with
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authentication in this OS and I don't think Apple's fixed it all the way yet at
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least as of last week when yet another system preference login issue was
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discovered so APFS hasn't shipped for fusion drive owners like there's just a
01:11:32
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There's a lot of stuff that hasn't landed with 10.13 that I think is frustrating.
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So all in all, I'm running High Sierra on my iMac Pro.
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Obviously I have to.
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I'm running it on my 2015 MacBook Pro.
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My wife's running it on her 2015 MacBook.
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It's fine, but it doesn't live up to what Apple had promised.
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I'm not one to blow the Mac is doomed horn as loudly as others, but it is a little concerning
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that their desktop OS seems to be languishing a little bit.
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And so I hope that moving forward from High Sierra,
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if we're gonna stay on the stupid annual release cycle,
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that they really have a release out
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that really does live up to what they say it will do.
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And so yeah, so kind of, it's not thumbs down,
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like you should run it, you know, if you can,
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but it's not, it hasn't been, I think,
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what a lot of us kind of felt we were promised it would be.
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Do you think that maybe they just didn't have a lot to put in High Sierra, so they were
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just like, "Oh, bugs, fixes."
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Oh yeah, I don't know what you put in macOS at this point, because the thing is so mature.
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And really, if you look over the last...
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So I've been reviewing macOS releases since Mountain Lion.
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If you look at the ones I've reviewed, most of the features, the bulk of the features
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added in that time period of the last five or six years have been iOS features that Apple
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has glued onto the Mac to make things work better together except for linen. That was
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a terrible decision. But except for linen, you know, a lot of the stuff handoff and the
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iCloud stuff, all that is to make the Mac play better with its iOS cousins. And so that's
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really where the innovation has been on the Mac for a long time. And that's fine. They
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should continue to do that because like I want it to be more seamless to move from my
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iPad to my Mac to my phone and back again. I want that to be as seamless as
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possible. I really do. But past that I just don't know what there is to add
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to it. That's why I'm not in charge of Mac OS software. Your driving
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instructor is. But um, so I don't know. Like I just sit here thinking about this
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feeling sort of just not forgotten about, not even angry about it, but
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just sort of vaguely disappointed. Let me try and lighten the mood a little bit.
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some iOS 11 stuff. I want to talk about multitasking on the iPad.
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I have 100% internalized the new multitasking system.
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It is not a difficult thing for me. I don't struggle with it.
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Frankly, I consider the multitasking system on iOS 11 to be a vast overall improvement.
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There are places where I think that Apple can and will adapt to the system.
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Like it would be really great to have multiple pairs of apps.
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So you know you can have Safari and Notes together,
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but then you can also have Safari and Chrome together
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and they don't get all upset and confused.
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There will be a way in multitasking for you to pick between them.
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I think that would be an interesting way to do that.
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I think that's a possibility.
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But having the base ability to be able to work with two apps plus SlideOver
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has made significant changes to my workflows on iOS.
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I don't switch between apps as much as I used to
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because in most instances,
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I never need more than three applications
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to do a specific task.
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I really like it.
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I've gotten very used to it.
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I know how it works.
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And I feel like an orchestra conductor sometimes
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when I'm opening apps and moving them around the screen.
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And, like, I have my own little --
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You know, you kind of -- If you use something for a while,
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while you end up like, you find your own little funny rubber chicken moment. Like, I'm trying
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to think of an example before I give my actual example. Where like,
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>> Steve Winick A pre-example.
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have to hold it for a moment over an app for it to make its gesture to show you that it's going to
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land on the right hand side, right? So it kind of expands the box so you know it's going to go in
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the right place. When I'm doing that, I kind of wiggle it over the application because in my mind
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it's like, "Ah, this will speed it up." And I can think of another one now. This is like how
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when you're trying to airdrop something to someone, you tap on the airdrop icon,
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but it doesn't actually do anything. You're just tapping on it and waiting for the person to come
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up and then you hit them. So it's just like a thing in your mind where you're like, "I'm
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making this go quicker by doing this," but you're not actually doing that. But that's
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just a funny little thing that I like because I really like the system. I think it's awesome.
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I like being able to move apps around from the left pane to the right pane. Overall,
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the dock is incredible. The dock was such a fantastic addition to iOS. It really is
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awesome, dragging things out of the spotlight. Multitasking for me personally has given me
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basically everything that I wanted and a bunch of things that I never even imagined I would get
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when compared to the iOS 9 and iOS 10 version of multitasking on iOS.
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I have to agree with everything you say. I recently did my entire taxes for the past year
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entirely on my iPad.
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Unlike in previous years where I would have to
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basically open my Mac out in frustration because it was basically impossible,
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through a combination of Split View and
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a workflow that I made for this and using iCab, which is a third-party
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browser that allows you to download stuff unlike Safari,
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But really thanks to slide over and split view and the doc and the new drag-and-drop stuff and files
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I was able to do the entire thing, you know bookkeeping and collecting expenses and receipts and
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Sending all the data to my accountant and you know, we have a Trello board now
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So that was also awesome because I can automate that with workflow
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It was it was great. Did you convince your accountant to sign up for Trello? That's incredible
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That was that was one of my most important and impressive accomplishments of 2017 getting
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my accountant on Trello and convincing them that my way of organizing receipts was the
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way to go. And yeah, I'm really happy about that. Also, I made a workflow that I that
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I shared with Myke and Steven and John for converting currencies, it was a whole setup.
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But really, the gist of this is, thanks to iOS 11 and all the multitasking features,
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I now can do entirely on my iPad Pro what before used to take me several hours on a
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MacBook. Now, I'm sure that people who use a Mac can do this stuff faster, and all that,
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been here before but I would say iOS 11 on the iPad is the best iPad experience
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I've ever had. There are still things I would like to see and it's
01:19:05
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not perfect whatever perfection is but practically speaking there's a
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few bugs that I want to point out. More than ever in iOS 11 I seem to be getting
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iTunes Store password prompts almost on a daily basis. My theory is that this happens
01:19:26
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for apps that deal with checking in-app purchase receipts over the API in a strange way. I
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don't know how to define in a strange way, but I'm fairly certain that's the case. Some
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apps that do some weird things with checking whether you previously bought an in-app purchase
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Recip validation, I think that's the name.
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Also it appears to be happening if you have a test flight beta that is asking you to unlock
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the subscriptions or in-app purchases for free.
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iTunes just goes crazy on iOS 11 for that.
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The keyboard on iPad, sometimes this is something that I've noticed on iOS 11.2, sometimes when
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I switch apps with the Command Tab Switcher and when I go back to the previous app, the
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keyboard, whether it's a smart keyboard or a Bluetooth one, cannot type anymore, cannot
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type letters anymore. It can just type punctuation. Now I'm not sure if this is just my iPad,
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but basically I want to write a sentence and instead it's just a bunch of commas and periods,
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which is inconvenient.
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That's not good.
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And it's also, it used to be better when I was using a smart keyboard because all I needed
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to do was just to lift my iPad, break the connection, and then place the iPad down again.
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With the Bluetooth bridge keyboard, I need to press and hold, turn off Bluetooth on the
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keyboard and turn it on again.
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The smart connector...
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Yeah, that seems...
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Yeah, the keyboard stuff seems buggy.
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I've run into that a bunch.
01:21:00
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And the best part of the...
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Because I use the smart keyboard cover deal.
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And the best part is, it's really hard to do that quietly because the magnets yank the
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the keyboard against the spine of the iPad. Like I've woken my spouse up trying to do
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that. It's like what is that noise? Like my my OS doesn't work I'm really sorry. So sorry.
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And I also I want to mention the smart connector as I said it's real buggy. I don't know what
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is going on but it seems to be software. I think Steve Throuton Smith of course did some
01:21:32
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digging a few days ago a few weeks ago actually on Twitter. And a lot of my friends I should
01:21:39
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mention this because otherwise my friends are going to be upset if I do not bring up,
01:21:43
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as they say, the problems with the iPhone on my Apple radio show, this is what they
01:21:47
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call it. There are... It's like you're the only one that can fix this stuff, right? You
01:21:53
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have to bring the opinions to the masses. I'll tell you what, a few weeks ago a friend
01:21:58
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of mine, he texted me on WhatsApp and he's like "Tiki, I have an idea for iOS" and I'm
01:22:05
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I'm like, what is that?
01:22:07
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And it was something about being able to switch the icon
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for the battery percentage on the iPhone X.
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I was like, you know, this is actually a good idea.
01:22:17
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Because a lot of people miss the fact that at a glance,
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you cannot see the battery percentage.
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So my friend had this idea for setting,
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and he was like, you should tell this to Apple.
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I was like, you know, it doesn't work this way.
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I can talk about it.
01:22:30
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I can maybe mention this in a story.
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But if they add, because it was under the impression
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that if I bring this up and I say, my friend,
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Tim, I don't know, what's a common name?
01:22:43
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Tim Hackett, and let's say it's my friend, Tim Hackett,
01:22:46
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he thought he was gonna have credit
01:22:49
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in the iOS release notes for a feature.
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- No, maybe awesome. - This is not how it works.
01:22:55
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Anyway, my friends think that iOS 11 is really buggy
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for downloading photos from iCalc Photo Library,
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because whether it's a photo or a video,
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it tends to be slower or just give you
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the exclamation point error more often than before on iOS 10.
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- I noticed that, I had that problem.
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- See, see, okay.
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- Which is why I switched to downloading my entire library.
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I have a big phone, but it was really annoying.
01:23:28
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- Oh, so it's real, okay, so it's a real thing.
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this and I was getting really concerned that my photos were lost because I had
01:23:36
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optimized storage on and but I would go to a photo from like three weeks ago and
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it would have the exclamation mark on it and it was like what on earth is going
01:23:46
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on so I looked at how many like I have like 80 gigs of photos or whatever in my
01:23:50
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iCloud photo library so I was like screw it I'm downloading them all. Yeah that's
01:23:54
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what I'm doing now I guess I didn't notice because I have 256
01:23:59
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gigs iPhone 10 yeah it just felt like a wasted space like for me to use it right
01:24:05
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I was like oh well I have a photo library like it's all there but then you
01:24:09
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have a hundred gigs free on your phone yeah but it's like you know whatever
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like it's just I don't need to my thinking was like I don't need to have
01:24:15
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all my fun my photos on my device because I can just download the mad hoc
01:24:19
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but it wasn't working very well on iOS 11 so I did it and Adina does it too so
01:24:25
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So she has a big phone now, so she downloads all of her photos as well.
01:24:29
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Yeah, so it seems like something weird is happening.
01:24:32
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I think you also want to mention something that you do not like, Myke.
01:24:36
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I know that it's an exception from your era of positivity, which lasts until June, but
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we can talk about that.
01:24:43
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I'll say, like, you know, I have still general positivity, but of course there are things
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that I don't like.
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You know, like the HomePod, I don't like the HomePod, and I think the Files app can be
01:24:52
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a hot mess, even though I love it.
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I have a real love hate relationship with Files because Files makes my work so much
01:25:00
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easier until it doesn't.
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And this is something that I'm struggling with a lot, right?
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This application is amazing.
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What it can do when it wants to work.
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There are two things that Files does that make me want to just pick up my iPad and just
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chuck it straight out of the window.
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It forgets my favorites.
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I don't know why.
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just sometimes they pop back in again like halfway through my like i'm scrolling through this long
01:25:25
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list in dropbox and then my favorites appear again my favorite file of like folders that i want to
01:25:30
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access but the worst one is when it straight up refuses to download files so i'm trying to access
01:25:37
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a file that is like 1.5 meg and the spinner just starts spinning and it won't work and nothing will
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download until i reboot my ipad like i don't know what's happening i don't know whose fault this is
01:25:50
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Like, I don't know if it's Dropbox's fault, I don't know if it's Apple's fault, but I'm
01:25:55
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going to lay the blame on Apple because I can go to the Dropbox app and download them
01:26:00
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immediately.
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So if it's something about the implementation from Dropbox's side, then Apple needs to make
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it easier for Dropbox, in my opinion.
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Like I don't care what it is you have to do, make it work for them.
01:26:11
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Because I feel like recently I have been using the Dropbox app more and more.
01:26:16
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And then the problem is, right, I want to attach something to an email.
01:26:25
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A file in Dropbox I want to attach to an email.
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So I open up the file picker and then it starts spinning and I can't do anything with it.
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So I close it.
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Then I go to Dropbox and realize, oh well this isn't the route because I can't take
01:26:40
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this file from Dropbox anymore because I can't access a Dropbox file picker because I have
01:26:45
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the files app. So I have to go to Dropbox, save the file to iCloud drive, then go back
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to my email app and attach it from iCloud drive because there's no way for me to get
01:26:59
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to Dropbox unless it's through the files app. So if the files app is refusing to download
01:27:03
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the file, I have to move the file to iCloud drive. It's like, what? Ah, so frustrating.
01:27:12
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But when files work, it is like a completely new world on iOS where I am able to get so
01:27:19
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much more done, so much more efficiently.
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Like I'm dragging stuff all over the place, I'm like moving things from location to location.
01:27:28
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I have like iCloud drivers, like this little scratch area, but then when I want to save
01:27:31
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a file, I just drag it into Dropbox.
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Like it's awesome.
01:27:34
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It's like agnostic to the services that I use.
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They all mix in together and it works brilliantly.
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And that's why it's annoying when it breaks, because when it works, it's all I wanted.
01:27:45
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But when it breaks, it's like, all you're doing is showing me how bad it used to be.
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And it's even worse than that, because I can't get to the Dropbox file picker.
01:27:56
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So yeah, that's my biggest frustration of iOS 11 is the Files app.
01:28:03
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And that's something, I mean, this is a bigger topic than just today, but say that the Files
01:28:08
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app like structurally is okay but it's got bugs you shouldn't have to wait a
01:28:13
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year for them to fix that but you're going to because that's how they work I
01:28:17
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don't know maybe maybe it's better in 11.3 it genuinely might be like I don't
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know it may be it may be but it feels like those big those big issues just get
01:28:27
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kicked down the road sometimes it does for the iPad anyway yeah yeah with the
01:28:32
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iPad and so that that can be that could be frustrating my experience with the
01:28:36
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files app is very similar to yours. I was so excited. I was like I can because so
01:28:41
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much of my work is file based and I was excited to be able to bring some of that
01:28:46
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onto my iPad and it's been so frustrating because everything I use is
01:28:49
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in Dropbox that I've I've just kind of given up on it and I that the Dropbox
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app is on my dock and the files app isn't because the Dropbox app works and
01:28:57
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that means I got to jump through some extra hoops but I refuse to give up
01:29:00
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because the files app is so good when it works so like I won't allow myself to
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give up on it because it's so much better than having the Dropbox app when
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it works and it does work most of the time but the problem is that when it
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doesn't work it breaks so badly that you don't forget it.
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One other thing and this isn't really this isn't something that I feel as a
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complaint but it's just something that I've noticed and I'm sure we all have
01:29:32
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now that we're not just six months into iOS 11 but we are like three months four
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months into the iPhone 10 I think the iPhone 10 is really showing that iOS
01:29:44
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needs to be rethought in a bunch of places and and I guess the assumption
01:29:48
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always would be and that this will come in iOS 12 and I expect Apple to show
01:29:54
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this in iOS 12 that like I think control center and the multitasking gestures
01:29:58
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they could be better. I feel like they've done what they can considering how iOS 11
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was and I think they could make some changes there and I believe they will. Overall placement
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of key app elements. I think Apple needs to show some new stuff on that and lead the way
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with some new paradigms and some new ideas for how navigation and stuff should work on
01:30:22
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iPhones. Now that they're going to be taller and bigger, especially if we do get an iPhone
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10+, which will basically be the biggest screen any human has ever touched, is my assumption.
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And the use of color and darkness.
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I think that Apple should be showing what the OLED screen can do.
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I think they have far too much white in their applications and that is the exact opposite
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of what you should be doing on an OLED screen.
01:30:47
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So these are things that I didn't expect and I don't expect to be in iOS 11, but these
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are things that I expect to be addressed in iOS 12.
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But when we're kind of looking at how iOS 11 is running, this has been some glaring
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things for me, is just like that the iPhone 10 feels, I don't know, feels like the last
01:31:07
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iPhone that will use iOS in the way that it looks like right now, I guess.
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That's kind of how I feel on that one.
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Yeah, I totally agree.
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Is there anything else on your mind for iOS 11, Federico?
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I mean, I mentioned the multitasking and the Files app, I agree with you.
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Really at this point I just want to see how the multitasking vision grows.
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I'm happy so far.
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I'm really happy with iOS 11 so far.
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I'm starting to feel some of that confusion that you mentioned in the differences between
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using iOS 11 on the phone versus on the iPad.
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I'm starting to feel that in daily usage.
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So some consistency, but also not just making things more consistent, but still keeping
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the iPad on a growth path going forward to bringing new enhancements, bringing new features
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and really make the iPad more friendly when used with the keyboard and maybe add new gestures.
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I just want to see more options for Pro users because it's right there in the name, it's
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an iPad Pro.
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I would love to see more pro interactions with the software.
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I'm quite happy so far, which is strange because usually at this point I have a whole long
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list of wishes and ideas and problems, not this time, which tells me that I'm happier
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than usual with iOS.
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This is the best, this is probably the best iPad iOS release ever.
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- I think there are people that will disagree with it.
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I disagree with those people, right?
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Like I think that this is the best that it's ever been.
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And I understand like if big sweeping changes
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turn you off the system, I get that, right?
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And that is totally valid,
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but there will always be big changes.
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One day there'll probably be some kind of change
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that will make me feel uncomfortable about something.
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But I think with working on iOS
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better than it's ever been. And yeah, that's my opinion on that.
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And I think what's exciting about it is it doesn't feel like a dead end. Like iOS 9,
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that app, the multitasking stuff, the app switcher, that all felt sort of like this
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is what it is, but it was hard to imagine where it could go from there.
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Yeah, well I think that when iOS 10 rolled around, then it felt like the dead end. Right?
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iOS 9 was like "Oh, new world, imagine!" and then iOS 10 came around, nothing changed,
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and then it was like "Well, this is how it is forever.
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What changes can they make?"
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But even if 12 doesn't bring a lot of changes, it feels like the Files app could become a
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This multitasking paradigm could become a lot more.
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It feels like they're in a much better place to move forward from than they've ever been.
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And so I'm excited about now, and I agree with you, but I'm also excited about what
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it could become because it feels so solid now.
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- Mm-hmm, it does, I agree.
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- So I think that's it.
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I gotta close the show now.
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- That's a lot of work.
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So let's see what we have to do.
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If you wanna find show notes this week,
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relay.fm/connected/177, you can get in touch with us there.
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There's an email link.
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That just comes to me, so be nice.
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Send me a picture of something nice,
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and I'll email you back.
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This is already something new in the in the hack era. I never spoke about the email. Yeah, I do have other shows
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I get a lot of show email. It's fun
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It's way better than Twitter because Twitter just goes by and it's gone forever
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But if you want to find us on Twitter, you can do that
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Until next week, say goodbye.
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Everything is wrong!
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I guess that's how it works now.