178: The Tiny Head Trend
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Welcome to Connected, episode 178.
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The show this week is sponsored by Squarespace, Anchor, and Smile.
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My name is Stephen Hackett, and I'm joined this week by my friend and yours, Federico Vittucci.
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Hi, Stephen, how are you?
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I'm good. We are mic-less. Although, you wouldn't know that until now, because apparently,
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and showing the show was my job. I don't know how that felt to me. But it's just us. Myke is off
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celebrating his birthday. So if you haven't tweeted at Myke, maybe wish him a happy birthday and tell
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him your favorite color in the same video. I think he'd really like to know your favorite color.
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Yes, yes. Myke is turning 41. So make sure to wish him a happy 41, 41 birthday.
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He's catching up with me almost. Yeah, he really cares about I mean, you're 46,
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Steven. So still a few years behind, but make sure to wish Myke a really happy,
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really happy birthday. Very special number. Steven, do we have any follow up this week?
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We do. I would like to thank all the listeners who emailed me photos of puppies and flowers.
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Somebody sent me a picture of a baby. I don't know if it was their baby or someone else's baby.
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Well, that's the question. If it's someone else's baby, I have a lot of concerns,
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But if it's their baby, then it was a cute baby, so thumbs up.
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It was nice to have nice emails about nice things.
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We also got some emails about the Files app on iOS.
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And several people suggested File Browser, which is an app I believe we talked about
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during the transmit conversation a couple of weeks ago.
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But it does a whole bunch of stuff.
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You recently wrote it up on Mac Stories, so there will be a link to that as well.
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So I've downloaded it and was playing with it today and it does a lot of clever stuff.
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So if you're looking for something that the files app can't do or struggles with because
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it's buggy, this app is worth a look.
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Yeah, it's really powerful and the developers are actually working on a bunch of improvements
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based on the story that I wrote.
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Really great guys.
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They listen to feedback, they try to implement as long as the iOS APIs allow it.
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I think File Browser, if you're looking for iOS 11 integration in terms of stuff like
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drag and drop, for example, or really the file provider, so being able to browse your
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servers and connections within the Files app, that's the one you gotta try and maybe consider
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as an alternative to Transmit.
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The problem is that, especially if you compare the two side by side, the elegance and the
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polish of transmit is really nowhere to be found in file browser which has a
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utilitarian look I would say you know sometimes it kind of looks like a
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Windows app in places but it's improved I can tell you it's improving they are
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actually they're trying to pay attention to these details there's a beta that I'm
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testing that has a bunch of also visual improvements so the the drag-and-drop
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stuff and the files integration is really nice and if you're it depends on
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what your priorities are.
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If you don't care and transmit is still working fine,
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But if you're looking for iOS 11 features,
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this is the one that I would recommend.
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Cool, so there'll be a link to that in the show notes.
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They have a regular version and then a business version
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that's more-- would you know the difference between those two?
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So the business version has two main features.
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The first one is you can sync specific folders
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for offline usage.
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So if you work in a business environment,
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you need to make sure that this directory from your server
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is always available on your device.
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You can do that.
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And also, if you happen to have-- and I
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do-- one of those SanDisk iXpand drive, the little USB stick
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that you plug into the Lightning port of your iPad,
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you can access that with File Browser.
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And I can tell you that from this very feature,
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the Sandy SkyExpand integration is going to be a lot, lot better in the next version of
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the app. So this is a great way to almost turn the iPad into a computer from the perspective
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of I want to plug a USB drive into my device and copy stuff into it or backup my photos
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to a USB drive. This is possible with our browser and it's getting a lot better. So
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that's the difference.
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So HomePod orders have gone up. What did we do?
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I got one through our friend John Voorhees. He was kind enough to put in an order for
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me in the United States because of course in Italy we don't have availability or even
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confirmation that it will be available like in France and Germany in the spring. We don't
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have any news from Apple. So at the last, not at the last minute, but I would say the
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day before, a couple of days before, I was looking at the photos, at the marketing photos
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from Apple on the website, and it seemed to me like they changed the color of the space
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gray one, that it's actual black instead of a really dark gray, and I thought it looked
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much, much better than the original product shots. So I changed my mind and I got the
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space gray HomePod.
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Okay. Yeah. I went with white just because that felt like the traditional color.
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Yeah. Like it's the iPod color. I like both. You know, I think I think both. I think either
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one would look good. But I went with white. And I think the white maybe maybe more fun.
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I got some some ideas for photography and stuff for this for a review. So I went with
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the classic iPod white. Yeah, I think that that's gonna stand out more in videos and
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photos. I think it makes more sense from a visual perspective, but I consider like
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most of the furniture in our living room is 10-story black or really
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dark brown and the white HomePod would have maybe, you know, it would stick out a
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lot I guess. We have also the server which is black and the the Echo which is
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also black in the same area of the cabinet that we have so the HomePod,
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the Space Gray one would blend in a little better I think.
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- Mm-hmm, camouflage it.
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Where's the sound coming from?
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I can't tell.
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It's coming from everywhere.
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There we go.
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- Well. (laughs)
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The next item in our follow-up makes me really, really upset.
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- It's sad. - For a couple of reasons.
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For a couple of reasons.
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Tell me about this story from TechCrunch.
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- BlablaCar is a company that we have followed on this show.
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I would say obsessively.
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It's a service that you personally use and endorse
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at the deepest level. - No, I do not.
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I really do.
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So this is a service that,
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for those who are not aware of BlaBlaCar,
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it's a car sharing-- - I don't know
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how you couldn't be. (laughs)
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- It's a car sharing service where,
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it's apparently really popular in Europe and in Italy
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and among my friends.
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And if you need to go somewhere,
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but you don't wanna drive or you don't have a car
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or you don't wanna take the train because, for example,
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if you wanna go to a small town in Italy,
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the transit system can be a bit problematic.
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You, what you do is you hop into someone else's car
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and you share the drive and you pay that person money
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through the BlaBlaCar application.
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So if I'm a driver, if I'm going somewhere,
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I can advertise my trip on Bablakar and say,
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"Hey, I'm going to Florence
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and I can have two people in my car."
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And I can put in a bunch of preferences,
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like I don't listen to music
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or I don't want people who smoke
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or I want people to be quiet.
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So there's a bunch of parameters that you can set.
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And you as the passenger,
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you can say, "I'm looking for this kind of drive
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to this destination on this day
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and I'm this type of person."
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And if there's a match, you can say,
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well, I'll go with you. So this is a terrifying idea. If you ask me to just go with someone,
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no matter the, the, you know, you're using a service and people have to be verified.
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It's still scares me to death to do this kind of stuff, but it's really popular and I understand
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why, but there's some news Steven.
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So when this first came into our lives, their artwork and their, in fact, if you look at
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your podcast play right now the chapter art for this chapter is a couple of these characters.
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They little like claymation characters and they sort of interact with each other and
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they have they've moved away from that. So this article is basically two things, a new
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visual identity, which I actually think looks really nice. And they're optimizing their
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service for small cities. So like if you want to go to a small town, you know, it could
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be hard to get there in public transit, they're trying to optimize that. But anyway, so it
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popped up again. TechCrunch is like on the BlaBlaCar beat.
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Like they are Romain. I think Romain from TechCrunch is always
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reporting on BlaBlaCar. I mean, it's it's a it's a great idea.
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I just that I don't trust strangers. I don't know if
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that's an I mean, is it just me that it sounds that sounds scary
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to just say yes, I will go with this person that I just met.
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It's basically like Craig Craigslist, but you share a few
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hours in the same car next to that person. I don't know. But also I want to point out
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that there appears to be a trend in terms of branding and visual design that I've seen
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from a bunch of companies lately. And we, Steven and Myke and I, we call this trend
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the tiny heads trend. So if you look at, I've seen this pop up in a bunch of places. The
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The new artwork in Todoist, the graphics you see when you complete something, for example.
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The new BlaBlaCar identity.
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And just today, I think there's a story on the new iOS 11 App Store about finance management
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And there's the same cartoon characters with large bodies and tiny heads.
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And I don't know why, but this type of style, it really creeps me out.
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these people they have really large bodies like the monster what's the name
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of the the character from Big Hero 6 oh I should know this you basically that
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type of structure but we're really tiny head and it's I don't know it looks
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strange so there's some links in the show notes explaining oh boy it's uh
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It's a trend of tiny heads.
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It is weird, but you know, branding, what can you do?
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Steven, save us, please.
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So I just looked on Myke's mentions on Twitter and people are wishing him happy 41st birthday.
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It's important work we're doing.
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Very, very important work.
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So there's this there's a story broke yesterday in Axios that Apple is doing some some things
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this year with iOS.
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So the report claims that Craig Federighi has announced revised plans for iOS 12 that
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a number of features that were being worked on, assumably, or kind of spinning up maybe,
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now being delayed until 2019. Those included a refreshed home screen and
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CarPlay interface by the way which is interesting. But instead of all that
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stuff we're going to see improvements to core apps like mail, updates to the
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camera app and photos with a focus on stability and bug fixes. So this is a big
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shift potentially in iOS. You know iOS has been just pedal to the metal
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year after year after year for a decade now and it looks like this is to be
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believed and I think that we believe it that Apple is going to take some time to
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sort of polish iOS 11 to fix the bugs they have to make improvements and it
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not be a really big year for like user facing features so so what do you think
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Mr. iPad. So first of all I think this story is mostly accurate.
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Conversations with a bunch of friends at Apple this weekend, the
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consensus is that this indeed happened and the story is mostly true. The details
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of course can be wrong and things can still change. You know features sometimes
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they get pushed back all the time or they get you know moved up so the
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details can still change, but the underlying idea that there was this meeting and the executives
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decided this is the thing we gotta do, this seems to be the case. And I've seen on Twitter
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a few people say this is exactly what happened. Also in 2015 with iOS 9, that there was a
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focus on stability and performance improvements, but I don't remember there being a story about
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a meeting at about Craig Federighi saying this year we should focus on fixing the bugs
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and improving the performance of our devices. I don't remember that being an explicit decision.
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I remember iOS 9 was an iPad release. To my recollection there were not a lot of iPhone
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features but I don't remember Apple saying this year we're focusing on fixing the problems and
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consistency and speed. So, if this is... there's also a tweet from a friend of the show, Steve
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Transmith, that I think is a good point of, is this like something that Apple does all the time?
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And we just hear about it now, that, you know, features they get delayed, and there's also the
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talk of fixing bugs and having a more, you know, a better performing operating system. But is this
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really different from previous years? Or is this more like, no, we were actually going to ship this
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redesigned home screen this year, we were going to do a bunch of new things for CarPlay, but we need
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to delay these major features to next year, as opposed to what we were thinking until a month ago.
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So, I guess the question is how much is this unusual for Apple to do at this stage, you
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know, in late January?
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So that's a good question.
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I think, and this is why I had my prediction a couple of weeks ago on connected, that Apple
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was going to have a focus on speed and fixing bugs this year.
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The combination, the really bad December that Apple had, the combination of the battery
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stuff that was popping up everywhere and all the lawsuits and the news that the iOS 11
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adoption rate was the lowest in years based on Apple's own statistics.
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I think all these elements combined to the executive team saying, "Maybe we do need
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to slow down and focus on this other aspect of the user experience, which is equally important,
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otherwise people will not update their devices anymore, which is going to be a problem. I
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think it makes sense. I'm in favor of it. And this goes against, or maybe against my
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own interests, but it's also something that I like, because having fewer features, personally
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speaking means my review is going to be shorter because there's only so much you can say about
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"yes, there are fewer bugs now." You can compare speeds, you can compare design fixes, but
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fewer features means fewer chapters in my review. But also as a user, I think I welcome
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this because iOS 11 has been buggy in many places for a lot of people. A lot of people
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have had more issues than I've seen on my devices, but I think especially on older devices,
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older iPads and iPhones, iOS 11 has been problematic. And so I think it's better for everyone if
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once every couple of years, every three years maybe, I don't know, but every once in a while
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Apple slows down and says we're going to do three, four major new features instead of
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ten, and we're going to focus on making sure that the foundation is solid so over the next
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couple of years we can continue building on top of it. Otherwise if you just continue
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building and building and shipping new features and new design you have two problems. One
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One is performance and we've seen all these bugs.
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And the second is inconsistency.
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Apple has been building on top of the iOS 7 design language for years without saying
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"Look, we need to slow down and we need to make up our minds.
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What is the aesthetic that we want to go for on iOS?"
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And if you look at iOS 11, even the tiniest details such as there's probably three different
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strokes for toolbar icons used in a bunch of places of the OS.
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So I think it's good news.
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I think it's good for everyone.
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It's good for Apple.
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It's good for us.
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And it's good for developers, because maybe for one scene
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in god knows how many summers, they
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won't have to ship a bunch of features,
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like major features in their apps.
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They can focus on maybe the business aspect
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or improving the performance and just cleaning up code.
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That's also good.
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So I'm in favor.
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I'm in favor of this.
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Yeah, I think the reason this is news--
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I mean, and you alluded to it a second ago that it's
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the end of January.
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And you're assuming this happened even
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in the last couple of weeks.
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They are already in at least the beginning part
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of the cycle for iOS 12, right?
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And so did something internally flip over,
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and they decide to make this and push things back.
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Whatever happened there internally, I think is,
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I think is probably good for all the reasons you stated.
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That there's stuff in iOS that needs attention.
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The design has sort of gotten scattered
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over the last year or two years.
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And I think that if they,
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I mean, iOS is their most important operating system.
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And there's some stuff in there that needs to,
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that needs to kind of be refactored or reconsidered for the modern era and especially looking
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at moving forward, right?
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If they can spend some time and short the foundations in there, then they're better
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off down the road, right?
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That if something is buggy or broken now, then in two years or in three years, that's
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a bigger problem.
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So I'm with you.
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I think this is I think it's a good move.
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I think it's encouraging to see Apple be willing to put its most important OS, you know, to
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slow it down for a year and and to not not get into a war of features with
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with Android and and to say hey look we needed to kind of take care of our own
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house first and so yeah I'm I'm I'm in favor I'm excited by this. I'm curious
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to see if this is true how they market how they sell the idea of coming to
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WWDC. I assume that there's a, you know, it's not like there will be zero features.
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Like the iOS 12 SDK is just a bunch of fixes. I don't see that happening. There
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have to be at least a couple of features that you can say, "iOS developers, this
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year you can work on this." And there's also a point that I wanted to make
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that there's not necessarily, there have to be new features in the iOS SDK for
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developers to work on their iOS apps in the summer. For example, there could be major
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iTunes Connect changes that require developers to consider the other aspect of how they release
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apps, how they manage beta testing or even the business model. So there's still stuff
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that Apple could announce, even if they have, say, three major features on iOS. But the
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report from Bloomberg and the follow up on Axios is that Apple is pushing forward on
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the Marzipan project of having this shared framework to bring more easily iOS apps to
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the Mac. So I guess that maybe that will be the huge announcement at WWDC and I could
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see how it sort of will shift the tone of the event from iOS developers scrambling to say we
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gotta get this device screen size and these major features like drag and drop and new UI to work by
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September versus iOS developers saying hey maybe now I should consider making a Mac app. So that
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should be a different type of event if this is indeed the case. Yeah and you could see a world
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where this project to unify, at some level,
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Mac and iOS development.
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I can see this being a very different WWDC
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than we've had in a really long time.
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I think, thinking back over the last decade of conferences
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from Apple, most of them follow this pattern of there's
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a new Mac or a new iOS release, or recently both.
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And sometimes there's hardware, but most of the time
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there's not there's a pattern to these things and if this year is about
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stability on iOS and I would hope the Mac as well then you have lots of room
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to tell this other story and maybe it's this secret project or maybe it's maybe
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it's something else but I mean really like the most recent like weird WBC I
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can really think of is something like the Intel transition which was now 13
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years ago right it's like we actually don't have much in terms of software
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because it's actually all about this strategy, right?
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They didn't even release any new Intel Macs at that point.
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Those weren't due for another six months,
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but this is a time for us to talk about the future,
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and maybe that's what we get this year in San Jose.
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It would be exciting, and I think that,
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I think above all, if there's any kernel to truth in this,
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I'm glad that Apple is seeing what we see,
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and they're responding appropriately.
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that we do need to take care of these lingering issues.
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We need to modernize some of our things.
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We do need to take care of the UI inconsistencies.
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And so, yeah, sign me up for this future.
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- Yeah, and I mostly want to see this happen
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because I wanna see what the reaction
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from people who have been saying Apple
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should have a Snow Leopard year, Snow Leopard release.
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I wanna see what those people will say after this
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because part of me thinks that those people
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will never be happy anyway, and that this no leopard comment is just something to say
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because they tend to be negative all the time. And there's a, you can take a look at, you
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know, around and you will see this. People have lots of opinions as always, but I want
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to see, I want to see if this, if this strategy can basically make the critics happy or not.
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And I tend to fall somewhere in the middle.
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I think there should be a balance of new features and fixes every year.
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I think this is, what we're seeing in this case, is an exaggeration.
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Because it seems to me like Apple prefers to do either a bunch of new features or just
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to stop completely.
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And I think this kind of extremist strategy of it's either all new or nothing new, I don't
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think this serves anybody well.
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I think there should be a better, more balanced mix of, instead of doing 10 features and no
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focus on fixing stuff at all, maybe do 6 features every year, but also do the fixing and the
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polishing and the performance improvements alongside that as well.
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So I think this should be a lesson for Apple going forward.
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Now they need to stop because they have, probably they have, you know, legacy code and craft
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from since before the days of iOS 7, I would assume, in certain places of the OS.
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But going forward, this should be an opportunity for Apple to say, "Maybe we don't need to
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do 12 major features plus hundreds of other smaller features and changes every year. Maybe
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we can do half, but we can also keep people happy." Because as it turns out, we're now
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entered this kind of stage where we all have smartphones and many of us have tablets, and
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used to these devices and having this long list of changes at the expense of performance
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and stability every year, people don't like that. People want their phones, you know,
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it's not like 2010 when everything was new and so it was super cool to have a new feature,
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dozens of new features every year. We want our phones to work and we want our tablets
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to work. So I hope that going forward, I want to see what happens this year, but next year
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even. I want to see Apple say, "Okay, maybe we need to do a little bit of both at the
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same time, not either one or the other."
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I think that's totally fair. It does seem, and I hadn't really thought about that, but
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as soon as you said it, I was like, "Yeah, that makes a lot of sense that Apple is cold
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or hot on these things." And we have gotten, so not to derail this into Mac land, but this
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This is sort of what we were promised with the Mac last year.
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And Apple wasn't as clear as this report seems to be, that it's about stability and fixes,
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although Craig Federighi said that to the nerd audience at the talk show, and language
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wasn't as clear in the keynote.
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But High Sierra, people thought it was going to be a snowlipper release, but then they
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did a new file system, and then they did whatever they did to the authentication system that
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ended up being badly broken.
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So even High Sierra is not like a purely bug fix release and neither was Snow Leopard.
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Snow Leopard added exchange support, which was a huge improvement to mail contacts and
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So even Apple's Mac bug fix releases always have one or two features.
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Snow Leopard also had Grand Central Dispatch, which like totally changed and added to the
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architecture of computing on Mac OS, like big changes under the hood.
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And so I think there's precedent for that of Apple saying, hey, you know what?
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We're doing bug fixes and cleaning up.
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We're going to clean up the UI.
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And you know, Mail and Safari got a lot of attention and got a lot of new stuff.
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So I think that, you know, I don't know how Apple sells just bug fixes and reliability
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to like the public.
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But I think if it's one or two, you know, big features, and then the rest of us are
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excited about this sort of cleanup stuff then that's enough for a major OS release.
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I don't think this is going to be iOS 11.5.
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That would really, really surprise me.
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It's going to be 12.
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I thought about that.
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It would be crazy.
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I thought about that though.
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Yeah, yeah, it would.
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I'll tell you what a possible strategy could be.
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A simple message.
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iOS 12 makes your phone last two hours longer.
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That would do it.
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would do it. And you know, you do that and you do 100 new emoji and you're basically
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set. You know, everybody wants a phone that lasts longer and has new emoji and maybe new
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one emoji. I think in the, to get those numbers back up, you need to get practical here. You
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need to understand that the very necessity that most people have with their phone and
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That is, I want my phone to last longer.
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And I honestly believe that if they focus on performance
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and they ship features to control the--
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even more features to control background processes,
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for example, and to control which apps are using
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a lot of your energy, and combine
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that with the throttling and the battery information coming
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in 11.3, Apple has a real chance to make
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people happy by addressing the most common complaint, and that is, "It's 11 p.m. and
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my phone died." Because that's annoying, and everybody can relate to that.
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Yeah. People in my household would be happy. I know that.
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So yeah, we'll see. I'm curious to see the WWDC press release. Like, what is it that
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they say in the press release, "Come to see the future of iOS."
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I guess they will still say that because they have to, but it should be interesting.
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It's February almost, and I would assume that now it's going to be the hot rumor season.
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We're going to get the reports of features coming or not to iOS, so I'm looking forward
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It should be an adventure.
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the invite is just like Craig Federighi with a band-aid like placing it over an
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iPad. It's like the my graphics is a photo Craig Federighi holding a sign
00:32:30
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time frame we're talking about iOS 12 the iPhone SE and the iPhone se to the
00:34:23
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rumored upgrade to the iPhone se is making the rounds and I think most of us
00:34:29
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believed that if there is another iPhone se and I think there should be it looks
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the same they just replace the guts in it which are basically an iPhone 6s give
00:34:39
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take and put like the iPhone 7 or hopefully even the iPhone 8's internals
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in the in the case and just upgrade the specs and keep selling it as it is. I
00:34:51
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think that's how a lot of people have thought about this but there's a KGI
00:34:55
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securities report out casting doubts on the SE2 and basically saying that if it
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does come it's not going to bring anything like wireless charging it's not
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going to bring radically new design. And I just don't know what the point of this
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report is because I don't, were people thinking that somebody, so I've wrote my
00:35:16
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iPhone 10 review this week, finally, and someone was like, Well, why didn't you
00:35:20
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mention like an iPhone se sized iPhone 10? I was like, because I don't think
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there's going to be one like, so what I don't understand the point of the report,
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it seems pretty cut and dry to me that if the iPhone se two is a thing, they're
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just going to put new hardware in the case and keep selling it.
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I thought the entire point of the SE was to, one, keep the small form factor that a lot
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of people still like around and giving people the better internals, and also to reuse some
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components that Apple has.
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The supply chain already knows how to produce en masse, and they know how to make into a
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I don't understand why there should be the expectation that the SE has wireless charging
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and therefore a glass back instead of the aluminum design of the iPhone 5 family.
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I just don't understand.
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Does the SE have the iPhone 5 or iPhone 4s size?
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It's the 5s.
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So it looks more or less like a 5s.
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The edges are a little bit different.
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But yeah, it's that size.
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So it has Touch ID and it's that 4 inch form factor.
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I could see maybe dropping the home button and the Touch ID.
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But to change, even then it would be strange to have the iPhone X look with the, because
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I don't think the body, the aluminum structure is changing.
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I struggle to imagine why would Apple want to make an iPhone 5 sized iPhone X or even
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an iPhone 8.
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Basically an iPhone 8 into the... because there has never been... if we're talking about
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wireless charging, so let's go step by step.
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If KGI mentions wireless charging, that means at least the iPhone 8 design, because those
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are the phones that support wireless charging, there are not the iPhone X. But there has
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never been an iPhone 6 sized device that has wireless charging. So Apple would have to
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make a new iPhone 8 type of device into a smaller body. And that to me does not mean
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reusing components and making a phone that is smaller for people who don't want to get
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the latest one. Because basically you're arguing in favor of saying I want an iPhone 6 but
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that supports wireless charging and that thing never existed. So what is it exactly that
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you're saving here? I don't understand this report.
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This may be a case, I mean we could be wrong, right? It could be come and come and go and
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has wireless charging and a 4 inch screen and a new body. But I just don't see Apple
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making that investment. I think the SE is like super cheap and I think a
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large part of that is because it's so cheap to build them at this point that
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they just like they're just cranking them out and yeah so I hope there's an SE
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you know my wife has an iPhone SE she really loves it but it's two years old
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and you know it's got 6s internals and I haven't run any benchmarks or like the
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battery thing on it because I don't I don't want I assume that it's had
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battery wear and tear over those two years and she likes the size she doesn't
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want to go up to the size of the iPhone 8 and so hopefully there's something to
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replace that phone with for her at some point but I would I would not be
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surprised if it looks the same and I don't think that's a letdown like I
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think people who buy the iPhone SE buy it for two reasons one of two reasons
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one because it's it's cheap and you know if you if you only have a little little
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relatively little bit amount of money to spend on a phone.
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It's at the bottom end of things.
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And two, I think the bigger reason
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is that people really like the size.
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There are a lot of people, my wife is chief among them,
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that anything over four inches is too big for her.
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She doesn't care for it.
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I bought her an iPhone 6S,
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and I sold it to a family member when the SE came out.
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- Really? - Yeah.
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- Oh, wow, okay.
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- So she had a 6S for like two months,
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and then the SE came out,
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and I had to swap it around for her.
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And so she doesn't want to move up in size.
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And there are a lot of people like that.
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And that's, it's not a very big market,
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but I think it's a market that is worth Apple continuing
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to serve, especially if it is relatively straightforward
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And taking the SE and giving it a glass bag
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for wireless charging or making it with the face ID,
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like all those things are not keeping it simple.
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And it would drive the cost up.
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And it would, it would de-centivize Apple to do it
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in the first place so I think an iPhone se2 is just the iPhone se we know today
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just faster and that will appease those customers 100% yeah I could see you know
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iPhone 7 specs into that kind of device not even iPhone 8 specs I don't remember
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when the SC launched which kind of internals it had it has the 6s internals
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and it came out like four months after the 6s so for most of a year it was it
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it was up to date and then the iPhone 7 passed it.
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Okay, so it could be iPhone 8 specs in the smaller package.
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That would be nice.
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Yeah, that would be amazing actually.
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I have a dear friend who swears by the SE.
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He doesn't want to upgrade to the, even the iPhone 7, the iPhone 8, the small one.
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He just wants to keep the phone as small as possible.
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Which I understand, because a lot of people do not like where we've gone as an industry
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towards bigger phones. They want to use smaller ones. And I think the SE is important enough
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to keep those people happy. Because if there are enough people, why drive them away to
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another ecosystem? If you can make this cheaper phone that has arguably a classic industrial
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design, you cannot say that the iPhone 5s look is ugly or dated. It still looks beautifully
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retro the way that I see it. It's a classic Apple design. So why not keep it around? And
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if you have the components for the current line of phones, why not reuse them? I also
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think it's valuable for Apple to produce these phones because it teaches them how to use
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teaches them how to make these components into an even smaller package, such as taking
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the current year's CPU, for example, and making it fit into such a smaller body.
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That should be valuable from an engineering perspective.
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So I would be happy to see a new SE model this year.
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Yeah, I didn't really thought about that from the engineering perspective, it being beneficial.
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But I think you're right there.
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I think there's definitely something there.
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And I think the look is fine.
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Like I said, it's classic.
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My wife's got the Space Gray SE and she usually carries it in a case but I had it out of the
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case a couple of weeks ago and I was just holding it.
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I was like, "Man, this looks really good still."
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And every…
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Well, it's not so much with the iPhone X but for a while with the Plus, sometimes I
00:42:51
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thought, "You know, would it be crazy to like pick up a 5S or an SE just to have a
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phone that is smaller for like bike riding going to the gym and the Apple
00:43:02
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Watch has taken care of that for me because like going to the gym with a
00:43:06
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plus-sats phone in your pocket is just a giant pain but there are people who you
00:43:12
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know want a phone as small and compact as possible and and you said something
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about you know going to other ecosystems there aren't many Android flag no
00:43:22
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Android flagship phone is as small as the SE you kind of have to do like
00:43:25
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mid-range or even cheap phones on the Android side to get something this small.
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So I mean Apple really I think has the only premium small-sized smartphone at
00:43:36
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this point you know that matters and I think that's valuable to have and I
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think that you know when they introduced it they talked a lot about how people
00:43:45
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buying their first iPhone at the time they were buying 5s because they were
00:43:49
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cheap and small and the SE can meet their needs but with modern technology
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inside of it because if someone is buying their first phone and they're
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going to buy the small cheap one if they buy something that's three years old the
00:44:02
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the iOS experience is not what it is on a new phone right it's going to be
00:44:08
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slower you're gonna have features that aren't there and some of that's true on
00:44:12
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the SE because it doesn't have 3d touch but it is as close as you can get to
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having the full iOS experience for the cost.
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And again, I think that's valuable
00:44:25
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'cause someone coming into the ecosystem,
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if their first device is small and cheap,
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but it's a cruddy experience,
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that's not a great introduction to this world, right?
00:44:34
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And I think the SE keeps a lot of people
00:44:37
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coming into the ecosystem happy for many years.
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And again, I think that's a valuable customer to have.
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They're not paying what I paid for my iPhone X,
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so they're not like as monetarily valuable to Apple.
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But if their first iPhone experience is good,
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I bet they're going to get a second iPhone.
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And if it's a way to introduce people to the iPhone for the first time that's cheap and
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relatively modern and fast and beautiful and robust, that aluminum body is way tougher
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than the glass front and back iPhone 8, 8 Plus and 10, then those are all good things.
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They're all reasons to keep the SE around and to improve it.
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And I really hope we see it this spring.
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March will be two years.
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So I'm hoping that even if there's not a March event, Apple just has a press release
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of "Hey, the SE has updated internals.
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I know that we'd be ordering one for my wife the day it happens.
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Did they have an event for the original SE?
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There was an event.
00:45:36
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It was during the 9.7-inch…
00:45:43
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iPad Pro event, maybe?
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I don't know.
00:45:45
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right there was something else there was something else in that keynote but they
00:45:52
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look I'm looking on on YouTube let's see what else let's see what else was during
00:45:58
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this event I don't know they had other stuff but it was part of a March event
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so yeah it was March March 20 21 2016 6 March 2016 so that was two years ago
00:46:10
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yeah it was the 9 point it was the 9.7 inch iPad Pro yeah yeah I'm looking at
00:46:15
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photos there were four color options for the SE. Nice. Yeah, it's a really good take.
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I'm taking a look at the pictures again because I don't see this phone, this design often,
00:46:28
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right? It's a classic design. It still looks great. I mean, it's not the phone for me,
00:46:34
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but I think it looks fantastic. And there's no camera bump. It's nice. It's flat. It's
00:46:41
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a flat back as it should be on a phone and it can even capture 4K video. So I forget
00:46:48
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that the SE is a modern phone. It's got Apple Pay, it's got 4K video, it's got no camera
00:46:56
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bump. It looks really nice. It's the past of iPhone designs but that does not necessarily
00:47:03
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mean that it's bad. So I agree, we should get a new SE. I don't want it but it's important
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for people to have. So fingers crossed. Even though, I don't know, there's going to be
00:47:15
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a March event in 2018, I have no idea. But yeah.
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Maybe it'll be the iPhone SE and a Mac Mini. Just all the small things get updated. iPod
00:47:25
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It'll be the grab bag event with SE2, Mac Mini, and AirPower.
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Oh yeah, that thing. I've already forgot about it.
00:47:34
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Don't call it that thing. It's awesome. I'm looking forward to AirPower.
00:47:39
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The other day, actually, I think I tweeted this,
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I got to the gym and I flipped over my AirPods case
00:47:44
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and the LED didn't come on.
00:47:46
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I was like, "Oh no."
00:47:48
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So I pulled the earbuds out and the left one wouldn't pair
00:47:52
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and the right one said it had 2% battery left.
00:47:54
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I was like, "Oh no."
00:47:56
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I didn't have any wired headphones with me.
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And I stayed at the gym.
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I didn't go home, even though the thought did cross my mind.
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But I definitely just put them in
00:48:07
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So it looked like I was listening to stuff.
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So you know, people don't try to talk to you.
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I don't know what that says about me as a person.
00:48:14
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Maybe nothing good, but.
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- Actually, a lot of people do that.
00:48:17
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Remember when we were at Facebook two years ago,
00:48:20
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and there was the vending machine with headphones
00:48:24
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that you could get.
00:48:26
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You could have used one of those at the gym.
00:48:28
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- I know, oh man.
00:48:29
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They're like, "100 bucks for AirPods? Ahh!"
00:48:31
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Okay. - Sure, sign me up.
00:48:33
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- Here's my credit card.
00:48:37
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All the iPhone SE stuff comes in context
00:48:41
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that KGI and others are reporting
00:48:43
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that 2018's iPhones are gonna be bonkers.
00:48:49
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So a second gen iPhone 10 with upgraded internals,
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a 6.5 inch iPhone 10 Plus,
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and then a cheaper LCD but still has Face ID,
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6.1 inch screen and
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assumably no 4.7 or old plus like I don't want to really get into this because it's all crazy and it's really early
00:49:10
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But I just I just don't see apple giving up the 4.7 inch size
00:49:15
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I feel like something in all this iphone reporting is is not landed quite yet. There's still something out here
00:49:22
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That isn't quite fully formed in these reports. So I had a thought about this
00:49:28
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This is just my theory, but it's the only way that in my brain I can reconcile these rumors.
00:49:35
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My idea, and my question/theory is, if maybe the strategy of offering both the old design iPhone 8
00:49:48
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and the futuristic iPhone X, if maybe that did not work out as Apple expected, or if maybe it's just
00:49:55
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time to move on. I wonder if this could be a way to say within the same line, so
00:50:03
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the same design, we now offer three options. There's iPhone X which will be
00:50:11
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the "basic" one with the LCD. There's iPhone X Pro which will be the one we
00:50:21
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have today with the OLED display and the bigger display also and an iPhone 10 plus which will
00:50:31
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be you know the really top of the line model.
00:50:35
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Yeah, $1300.
00:50:40
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And I do wonder if maybe this is Apple's way of saying we don't want to cause any more
00:50:48
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confusion, asking people to pick between the also new iPhone 8, which is a bigger number
00:50:55
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than last year, so it must be new, but the also newer new iPhone X, and it's a way of
00:51:05
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saying everything is new, but now you just choose whichever version you prefer.
00:51:12
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I do also wonder if confusion could be just relocated somewhere else, which would be how
00:51:19
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do you explain to people the differences between what looks like an iPhone X but as an LCD
00:51:26
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and what looks like an iPhone X also but is OLED. So it seems to me like just the display
00:51:31
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type wouldn't be enough to explain people how to tell the difference.
00:51:36
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No way, man. People don't know the difference.
00:51:38
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Exactly. But I have asked myself this question. Is this a way to simplify the decision for
00:51:45
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people? Instead of having to say, "Do I want the old design, but it's the iPhone 8, so
00:51:51
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it's still new, or do I want the iPhone X, which is super new, but it's also super expensive?"
00:51:56
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Yeah, I don't know. It's all very confusing.
00:51:59
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I still think that the iPhone Pro name is a great name and it should happen.
00:52:04
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It is a good name.
00:52:06
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But we all know, you know, we're gonna go back to the, I mean the 10 plus, it sounds
00:52:11
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So I was holding a friend of mine, she has an iPhone 7 plus.
00:52:18
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And she wants to wait until the 10 gets the plus version because she's so used to having
00:52:23
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the big phone.
00:52:25
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And I was holding her phone a few days ago and it looks, it still looks great.
00:52:29
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I'm used to the iPhone 10.
00:52:30
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I love the iPhone 10.
00:52:31
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I think having the edge-to-edge design compensates for the smaller size, but I cannot wait until
00:52:39
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I get the plus physical size, but it's an entire display.
00:52:44
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Because I know I can use that phone.
00:52:46
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I used that phone for a couple of years.
00:52:48
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And I'm going to have an even bigger plus that has this edge-to-edge display.
00:52:55
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That it's not physically bigger, but the experience gives me more room for apps and everything.
00:53:00
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So I'm really looking forward to this phone.
00:53:03
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That's really funny to me.
00:53:05
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I too very recently held a 7 Plus a friend of mine has and I sort of had the opposite
00:53:13
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reaction to you and I really liked the Plus.
00:53:16
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But the X, because it's more or less hand-wavy, the Plus screen in the regular phone body
00:53:23
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roughly, I was like I don't know if I, I don't want to see it, but I don't know if I could
00:53:29
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Like it felt enormous.
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part of it is just trickery that it has the chin and the forehead so it looks bigger than
00:53:34
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it is. Yeah, I don't know. So I am very curious about an iPhone 10 plus, I would
00:53:40
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definitely want to check one out. But I don't know right now if they were both on sale,
00:53:45
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what I would do because I'm really happy with the 10 because I've gotten used to
00:53:49
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this the more compact size. But you still like you said, get most of the benefits of
00:53:53
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the plus screen. Now the one thing that I still think is inferior is the keyboard. I
00:53:57
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I think the keyboard really benefits
00:54:00
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from the width of the plus.
00:54:01
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That is so true.
00:54:04
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I guess we'll find out in September.
00:54:07
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We should note that all these rumors and this speculation
00:54:12
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is leading up to Apple's results, which are due tomorrow
00:54:16
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for Q1 2018, I guess.
00:54:21
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Which would be the holiday quarter,
00:54:23
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the really big numbers.
00:54:26
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And, you know, we've seen all these reports of... and I should tell you, this notion that
00:54:33
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Apple is discontinuing, is canceling the iPhone X is everywhere.
00:54:37
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I've had my girlfriend ask me if the iPhone X is being cancelled.
00:54:41
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I've had my mom ask me what is going on with the iPhone X.
00:54:45
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I've had friends saying, "Oh, don't you know Apple is discontinuing the iPhone X?"
00:54:50
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So the narrative that Apple isn't selling the new phone well is something that happens
00:54:56
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every year, but this year it's been everywhere in the news and people, like everybody I talk
00:55:03
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to about the iPhone, they know that Apple is canceling the iPhone X, which is crazy,
00:55:09
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but I do wonder if we're going to get any, I mean we have to, to get any kind of detail
00:55:16
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from Apple tomorrow during the earnings call that they need to reply to these reports that
00:55:24
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the iPhone X is being cancelled because it didn't sell as well as Apple was hoping.
00:55:31
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My guess is, so we'll see the average selling price, and I think that'll be up a little
00:55:36
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bit from where it's been showing that, you know, X's are in the mix. But I would not
00:55:40
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be surprised if Apple doesn't take that report on like head-on and says no we're
00:55:48
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not canceling demand is still strong we are still making this phone because it
00:55:52
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is so and most of the time these stories come out and they sort of die off
00:55:55
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because people understand that sometimes they come from people who are trying to
00:55:59
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do things with the stock or I don't know that's the case this time but you know
00:56:01
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there's all these factors right when you talk about the financial side of it that
00:56:04
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I don't think either of us are fully capable of discussing intelligently but
00:56:09
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It's very complicated. But this time, like you said, it is everywhere, man. It is everywhere and
00:56:14
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It feels like Apple because it's their flagship. I think I would not be surprised
00:56:21
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I should say if Tim Cook doesn't address that just directly
00:56:24
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In like very plain language and they have done that sort of thing in the past addressing certain things
00:56:30
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But uh, no, it's it's silly to think, you know, maybe you know
00:56:35
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maybe it hasn't met their expectations or maybe the ASP hasn't moved and we'll
00:56:39
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see that tomorrow you know to a degree and we'll have to wait for you know a
00:56:44
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sim Kona and other other folks to really break it down but my guess is that the
00:56:49
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iPhone 10 is selling fine I see them out in the world I also see a ton of eights
00:56:54
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and eight pluses because I think the eight was different enough that people
00:56:57
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who skip the seven are finally upgrading like I know a lot of people from the six
00:57:01
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or the 6s to the 8 and I think their numbers are going to be huge
00:57:06
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tomorrow but I don't think Apple's gonna let that rumor continue to float out
00:57:10
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there. I think they're gonna say something directly. Yeah I hope so.
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should be interesting. And the results are due tomorrow, so February 1st at... we talked
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about this a few minutes ago, Stephen, what's the time again? It's at 11... my 11 p.m. in
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So Federico, we're preparing for the show this week, and you text me and saying, "I've
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been using DuckDuckGo this year."
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Or for, I don't know how long you said.
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"I've been using DuckDuckGo."
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And I know people who use it.
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I think most of the people who use it, if I can paint with a broad stroke, do it because
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they don't want to use Google for political or religious reasons.
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But you use Google stuff often, you know.
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But you're using DuckDuckGo on iOS for some very specific reasons that I found really
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interesting.
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So what has gone into this decision for you?
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So I should note upfront that I haven't switched search engines because of privacy concerns
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or because I think Google is creepy or because I feel like I'm being spied.
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I understand that some people have these concerns, which are valid, but this is not my primary
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I have been increasingly annoyed by how a Google Mobile search works and looks like
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in Safari for iOS. I've had very specific complaints and problems that I will go through
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right now. The first one, and really the most annoying one, which I cannot stand any longer,
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is that every single time I search for something on Google with my iPhone, I get a location
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prompt. I get a pop-up dialog that says "Google wants to use your location for results whatever".
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I have tried to follow a bunch of tutorials over the past couple of years. Each one of
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these guides offered a solution to get rid of these prompts. None of them worked. So
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yes you can try to send me a link to a tutorial that promises to fix this problem. It will
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not work. I have tried them all. So every time I open a Google search, I get this prompt
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that I assume it's because I tried to use Google.com, but also the iPhone sees that
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I'm in Italy. And basically I need to accept this prompt, then it reloads the page underneath.
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So the results change before my eyes. And this is super annoying because I've been seeing
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this prompt like 12 times a day. It's so annoying. The other issue that I have is that
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there's a general weirdness due to AMP pages. So the Google AMP, the mobile format that
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they're doing, it used to be that I could not copy the standard URLs of web pages. You
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You know, Google was doing the google.com/amp/something.
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But now that the links have been cleaned up,
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I still get weird issues with, for example,
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scrolling in these AMP pages.
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Because Google, if whatever possible,
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they try to default to loading the AMP version of a web page
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that you open from Google Search.
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Or for example, I often cannot swipe back from a Google AMP
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if I try to swipe back from the left edge of the iPhone's
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display, the gesture is like stuck.
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Because I think the Google AMP, it does some weird stuff
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to hijack the standard scrolling behavior of Safari.
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And so sometimes not even swiping back works.
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Or if it does, if swiping back works,
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I go back to the main Google search page,
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but I cannot swipe vertically anymore.
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So I cannot scroll results for like two seconds.
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should say it's a happy anniversary it's been a year since you were in the New York Times
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oh really uh yelling about Google AMP well there'll be a link in the show notes nice um what else um
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oh of course um there's I get constantly I get redirected to the from the google uh dot com
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version which is the one that I want to use because for work I need to look up English
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stuff all the time, I get redirected to the Google Italian version, which would be .it
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for Italy. I don't want to use that. I do not want to, because whenever I type something
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in English, but it goes to Google .it, it then says "do you mean to search for this?"
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because it does not understand English, because it's the Italian version. So I do not want
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to get redirected to the Italian version of Google search. And finally, something that
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have been noticing over the past few months is sometimes when you tap on a Google search
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result, you open the result and then if you go back, the result gets overlaid with related
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suggestions. So like tiny rectangles containing related search queries for the result you
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just tapped on. But if for example you go back and you, so let's say you search for,
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I don't know, Doc Cow Tattoo on Google.
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And you open a result, and you say, oh, this is pretty cool.
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You go back, and you're back on the list of results.
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And then you say, oh, man, I should have copied the link
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to the web page.
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You assume I should be able to tap and hold
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on the title of the search result,
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and I can copy the link.
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But no, these suggestions, they overlay the result.
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And you cannot see the result anymore unless you reload
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the entire webpage. Which is just... I'm... this is too much man. Like, all these changes
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and all this AMP stuff and the location prompts. This is just so annoying. It used to be so
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simple and I don't mean to sound like a grumpy old guy. I'm all for change and new features.
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But it's like... you were supposed to give me a car and now you're giving me this space
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shuttle with all these controls and all these options. I just want a list of results. This
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was your entire premise, Google, that I type something into the box and the box spits out
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a bunch of results. And that, for me at least, that is not the case anymore because whenever
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I type in something I am waiting that second wishing that either I don't get a location
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prompt or I don't get a bunch of AMP pages or that I can scroll like a normal web page
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and this is just too much. So like a couple of weeks ago I was like, you know, I know
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Most people do this for political reasons.
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I'm just going to try DuckDuckGo because of the design
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and functionality.
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I want what Google used to be three, four years ago
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before they started doing all of this.
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And it looks nice.
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It's a list of search results with no AMP, no location prompt.
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And yes, privacy is a plus for me.
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For me personally, it's not the main reason
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why I want to use this.
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It's just the main functionality of a search engine.
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I type something, I get a list of results.
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Sometimes I get those special fancy inline answers,
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like you can do calculations,
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you can do currency conversions,
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you can look up definition of words,
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which look awesome on DuckDuckGo.
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It's a really beautiful design.
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You can get nerdy with DuckDuckGo.
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You can go into the settings,
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you can change a bunch of preferences, you can switch themes, which is nice, I guess.
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But honestly, it looks nicer. Still, and if you have any questions Steven, feel free to
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ask me. I'm not a DDG expert, but I've been playing around with it. I fear that the...
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I will still have to use Google for two things that I do all the time. It's not that I fear,
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I'm begrudgingly using Google for two things. One of them is I use Google News results a
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lot. And DuckDuckGo has a news tab in the search results, but it's not as, I don't want
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see real time, but as effective as Google's. On Google I see a lot of news items, on Dr.
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Go I often don't even see the news option at all. And the other one is the ability to
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filter results by time. This is something that I do a lot on Google, if I'm looking
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for something recent, I filter by the last 24 hours or the last month. This is something
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that you can do if you tap on search tools on Google search.
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And I think DuckDuckGo has the same option, but again, there are not as many results as
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there are on Google.
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The good news is DuckDuckGo has this feature called "bangs", which are basically a syntax
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that allow you to redirect a search from DuckDuckGo to something else.
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And this works both in the DuckDuckGo webpage, so if you actually type into the search field,
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or if you set DDG as your default search engine in Safari, the bang syntax also works in the
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Safari address bar.
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So for example, if I know I need to look something up on Google, instead of opening DuckDuckGo
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and then be like "oh man, I didn't find what I was looking for"
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If I have a feeling that like, you know, maybe I'm gonna find this page on Google
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I do, right away, in Safari, exclamation point G, which is the bang syntax for Google
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and then I type in whatever it is that I'm looking for
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and automatically DuckDuckGo goes to encrypted.google.com
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which is the encrypted version of Google search
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I don't know what encrypted means, it should be encrypted by default.
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I guess there's a higher privacy level or something.
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And it's a way to bypass DuckDuckGo and go straight to Google.
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And there's the bank syntax, which I'm not super familiar with, but I know you can do
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this kind of stuff for YouTube, for Amazon, for...
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It's a way to save time, you know, with the custom syntax.
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So basically, I'm happy so far.
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looks cleaner. And I don't understand why Google is making it so hard for people to
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use Google Search on their iPhones. It used to be so simple. It used to be so effective.
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Like you type something, you get something back. But now they're hungry for all this
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data and location and amp and all this custom stuff. And I'm just like, you know, Google,
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I'm fine with your data collection policy. I'm fine with your type of company because
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Usually I get a great service out of Gmail and the G Suite and all this other stuff,
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but this is too much. This is basically unusable for me. So I'm just going to use something
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Yeah, I haven't spent much time with Dot Dot Go, but I know it's powerful. I know that
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Safari, Mobile Safari and Google are a super annoying combination. I get them too, here
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in the US. I get that little pop-up. And as far as I can tell, nothing I've searched for
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and found on the internet can make it stop. So there's that. But yeah, I think it's interesting.
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Keep us posted on this. I'm curious if this is something that sticks long term or if you
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end up being frustrated by something and going back.
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I've heard from people that said I try to use DuckDuckGo because I like them, the design,
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I liked the company, but ultimately I was constantly going back to Google, so I figured
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maybe I should just switch back and accept Google for what it is.
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So far, the things I'm looking for, like, I don't know, support documents from Apple
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or developer pages on developer.apple.com, or old articles on Mac Stories or Dating Fireball.
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I've been able to find those just fine.
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I want to see how it goes. Maybe when I'm working on an article and I need to do a lot
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of research, is that going to be a problem? So I'll keep you posted on how this goes.
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But right now I'm making actions for drafts to launch search pages on DuckDuckGo. I'm making
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workflows. I'm having fun as usual, but we'll have to see. When I need to look up a lot
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stuff, old articles, old reference
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material. Is that going to work for me? I
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don't know, so we'll see. I think that
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does it for this week. Feel good? Yeah.
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I feel good. Yeah, I do. I do. I feel
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refreshed, Steven. That's good. If you want to
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find show notes for this week, you can
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point your web browser to relay.fm/connected/178
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The show notes are probably also in the app
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you're using to listen to this, but
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they're on the web if you need them there.
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there's an email link there on the sidebar of the web page and then of
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course you can find us all on Twitter. Myke is @imyke. Be sure to wish him a
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happy birthday and tell him your favorite color. You can find Federico
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there as @vititi and Federico of course writes @maxstories.net. You can
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find me at 512pixels.net and 512pixels on YouTube and on Twitter I'm @ismh.
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Thank you to our sponsors Squarespace, Anchor, and Smile.
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And until next week, Federico, say goodbye.
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- Adios, el chio.