181: Headspaced Against My Will
  
   
 
 
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     - I think this is the beginning of the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It feels like the beginning. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We were talking and then we paused for a second 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and now I'm thanking our sponsors, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Squarespace, Pingdom, and Ting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - This is like last week where you started that poem 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I didn't know it was the beginning of the show 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I just kept saying things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I know, I had to edit a bunch of that out. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - I wanna keep you on your toes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Connected episode 181. You've already heard the voice of one of my co-hosts, Myke Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke, how are you? Very good. Are you good? We're also joined by Federico Vittucci. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hi, this is a strange introduction. I like it. My day is all topsy-turvy, so I am not in my office. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am in someone else's office on a conference room table, but I brought all my recording gear, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I have stuff everywhere and like I'm shocked that any of it works and it's been very, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's been a very disorganized day. I really like the imagination of you sitting at a very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     large conference table like there's you know you're like you're about to fire us or something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know like. Do you need to pretend that this is much much more serious and fancier than it is? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I'm wearing a suit. Are you not wearing a suit? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Um, sure. Yes, I am. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can I tell a very quick story about a conference room? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, uh, last year I spent a bunch of time in New York, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And a friend of the show, Matthew Bischoff of Lickability, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there was a day where I needed to get some work done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And he said that he would book a conference room at his co-working space for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I could just come and hang out and just get some work done there before 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had to go catch my flight that evening because I was kicked out of my hotel. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had nowhere to go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I arrive at the co-working space and like he shows me around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and like takes me to the room and he takes me to this conference room 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where they were like, I'm not kidding, like 10 people in this room. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And they like had paperwork strewn all over the table. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like they were having a real serious meeting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And but it was like five or 10 minutes after the time that I had it booked. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Matt just like pokes his head in the door and is like, we got this booked. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and all these people are so mad because it's just me and they all get up and leave and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then I spend like 90 minutes in that room with my iPad on my own and like and I just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     imagine them like they're like trying to find somewhere in this co-working space to continue 
     
     
  
 
 
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     their really important meeting like one of them walks by and just sees me on my own in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this room not even on the phone to anyone. And everyone knows you can't do real work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on an iPad so they figured you were just playing a game. Just playing a game. Consuming content. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, that's it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, I've got a lovely little story now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As I was swimming yesterday, I came to the realization that my LTE Apple Watch is like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a content capture device. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like a whole new different thing, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I can't consume anything on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But like I bark, I attempt to dictate reminders to it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, we have a bit of a to and fro relationship, me and Siri on the Apple Watch, but I can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get about 50% of what I'm looking to record can be recorded into it. So yeah, I was thinking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh it's like a content capture device and now I'm an analyst so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, do you still use the bear microphone thing to save notes and stuff? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sometimes. If I'm saving ideas then I'll use like bear like you know I'll have an idea 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for something but typically what happens is I'm like oh I should send an email to this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     person about this thing so then I try and set a reminder but like typically that just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doesn't really work and I have to play a game later on where I have to try and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     guess what the words mean. Are you doing that while you're swimming? Well not like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     while I'm underwater but like I will stop I will stop at a length and then and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then do it you know like I'll stop by the side of the pool and paint my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     reminder and then go back to work. It's the life of a powerful media executive 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the 21st century. Just say you're just telling your assistant to send all the invoices 
     
     
  
 
 
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     while just swimming in your golden pool? If you want to compare me to Don Draper, like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's totally fine. Because you remember he used to swim and stuff like that. So like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if you want to, like you don't have to. That was not our intention. You're proposing this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     idea. I'm just saying, I'm just saying like if people want to call me to Don Draper of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing and they can do that but like they don't feel like they have to but you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know you can is all I'm saying do you smoke and drink a lot I mean if that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what I need to do you know there are people who see you talking to your watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not realizing that it's an Apple watch or the series on the Apple watch like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what is that guy doing oh I've given up the fact that everybody at the gym 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thinks that I'm a madman okay you gotta quit vlogging in there people don't like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They really don't. They really don't. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Alright, follow up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We have a t-shirt for sale. We have one week left. It is the Tiny Head tee. It's amazing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thank you so much to everybody who has purchased a t-shirt so far. We have three amazing colors 
     
     
  
 
 
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     available from Cotton Bureau. Shipping worldwide and Cotton Bureau have flat rate international 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shipping now. I think it's like $8 maximum to go international, which is fantastic. This 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is the only time this t-shirt is going to be available. So if you do want to claim a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     high five in person from Stephen Hackett then you must be wearing this t-shirt whenever you see him. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will also, just to sweeten the pot, I will also add a high five into the mix so if you see me I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will also high five you. You have one week left to buy one of these t-shirts. Stop, stop, stop, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stop, stop. We are often together at WWDC. We need some sort of protocol. We're walking down the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     street, someone approaches us wearing the shirt. Do we, do I take one side, you take the other? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's like a double high five. What do I do? You could just like, I don't know, like run 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up in the middle and just give them a hug, you know? So like they get two high fives 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then as their arms are up, you can get your arms around people. Don't do that. I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't think people would like that. That's a terrible idea. But I can wait in the background 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just bracing for the hug. Or you can just be there just like smiling and nodding, you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know, like in approval. You're like, yeah, you did it. Like those guys in the background 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of rap videos, they just stand there in the background and nod? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sure, yeah you're like the producer of that high five or something. So if you want all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of that to happen to you, it doesn't have to happen to you, if you don't want that to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happen you can still buy a t-shirt, just don't raise your arms if you see us. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just don't wear it in San Jose. Yeah, all that. But it's a great t-shirt, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's a wonderful design, it's only available for six more days as we record this, so if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you're hearing this and the next episode isn't out, then you should buy one, because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     otherwise it's your last chance. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Go ahead and pick one up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a great t-shirt. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can't wait to get mine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Last week we spoke about the Stocks app that comes with iOS so you can see how bad the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     economy is doing at any given time on your mobile device. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And Myke, you had suggested that maybe this redesigned version that showed up in a government 
     
     
  
 
 
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     article would support cryptocurrencies and turns out that it already does. I had no idea 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of this. You hadn't, it's shocking to me that it's in there honestly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thanks to Philip for sending that in. Basically I pontificated that it might be this because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it was literally the only reason I could think of as to why you might want to redesign the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stocks app. Now I can't think of what that possible reason would be. I don't know why 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you would need to redesign the Stocks app specifically, if it's on its own. If you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doing an entirely new design thing, that's a really good way of putting the phrase "redesign", 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then I would understand it, but if it's purely just the Stocks app, I can't work out why 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you would do it. I guess we can all look forward to June! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Something else talking about Apple software and features that haven't been released yet 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but may be out there somewhere, AirPlay 2 has been banished from the most recent iOS 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and tvOS beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it was there for a while, and now it's gone again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Poor AirPlay 2. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh man, do you think it's going to make 11.3? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not a good sign. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, if you compare that to messages in the cloud, which is still in the beta, even 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Even though Apple is still saying we are evaluating the functionality, whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But this one is gone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's not a good sign. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I actually was kind of liking the ability to stream to multiple devices and control 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from Control Center. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I wonder, I mean, do we expect 11.4 even before WWDC? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because if that's not the case, I wonder if AirPlay 2 will be an iOS 12 feature at this 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Oh, it's gotta ship. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's gotta ship in 11. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because of the hump art, like, they have to ship it, surely. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They said later this year, so later this year could be iOS 12. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That would be so bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can you tell me, is the latency better with AirPlay 2? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh yes, much, much better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like for AirPlay 1 you get like 3 to 4 second delay and the way the AirPlay 2 works, the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     buffering has been enhanced so it keeps in basically in the audio buffer it keeps more 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So like it starts right away but then it starts kind of caching the audio so you can also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     skip around without delays and you can do like you can cue songs, you can walk around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the house and it will not be a problem because it has already buffered the, you know, like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a song. So for example with Airplay 1, if you start playing a song and then you walk 
     
     
  
 
 
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     outside there's a good chance that the song will stop playing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right, but something like Overcast, there's no benefit until Marco puts Airplay 2 support 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in, right? Is that true? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes. Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work because you need to change, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you need to adopt an entirely new framework. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time I just think that something's broken. Every single time I send a podcast to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     airport, I just assume that something's broken because it just takes such a long time. Never 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mind, maybe one day. Something I saw just before we went on to record today, I thought 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it was kind of cool. Nest have added Google Assistant to their Nest Cam IQ indoor camera. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if you own one of their indoor Nest Cams, the IQs, you can get via a software update 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Google Assistant features and Nest are saying that it is the full functionality of a Google 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Home product, so you can give commands to it and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think it would be a good idea to necessarily try and play music from the camera, I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like it has a speaker in it but I feel like that might not be a great experience for you, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you could, you know, you could set and unset things, turn on lights, turn off lights. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like the idea of just, as I'm saying this phrase, I can understand people like, this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sounds like nails on a chalkboard, I like the idea of having microphones in more products. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because if you are in on one of these systems, whether it's like the Echo or the Google Home, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you want to be able to just give the commands wherever you are, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like everyone that I know that has gotten deep into this thing ends up with more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than one Echo, for example, right? Because you kind of just want these devices to be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wherever you are in the home. So yeah, I think that way, I think it's cool to have more of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     these types of functions, like in more and more devices. I think that's good. So yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven, do you have one of these? I don't. I have a couple of the, the original Nest 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cams, you know, that were basically just a drop cam that they rebranded. I'm interested 
     
     
  
 
 
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     checking one out though because it does a lot of stuff that's smarter than the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     original. But what excites me about this story is, you know, there was a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     story last week, a couple weeks ago, that Nest is being folded back into Google 
     
     
  
 
 
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     after being sort of spun out for a while. Still with an alphabet but not within 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Google. And I think this is like the first sign that hopefully we are now in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a place where Nest hardware and software is going to get regular updates. It's like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like my stuff, but for instance I have the NES security system and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is like completely unaware of my cameras unless the alarm goes off 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if the alarm gets tripped then it turns all the cameras on but if I disarm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the security device 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Then the cameras don't turn off like there's no like there's so many obvious things they could do with their ecosystem 
     
     
  
 
 
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     system. And I'm hoping, now that Google's back in charge of it, that we see more of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this stuff, that these devices get smarter and more capable. So this is cool, and it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     clever if you have one of these cameras, but I'm really looking forward to seeing what's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     next out of this company. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For the last few days, Federico's been teasing me and Steven that he has some surprise follow-up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this works out to be typically bad for us, like something's gonna happen and like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's usually some kind of surprise that has like a ramification, like for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh by the way I'm using a beta version of Mac OS, or you know, like just these things, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right, you just throw these things at us and it has some kind of ramification. I'm very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keen to know what this is but I want to take a break first to build suspense. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, Tichi, lay it on us. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What have you done? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - All right, so you know how I have a HomePod 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the kitchen, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In the kitchen/living room space. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you know that for many reasons I cannot record podcasts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the kitchen/living room, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because of the dogs and because there's people, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So of course I record podcasts like right now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in my bedroom, correct? So I wanted to do this. Hey Siri, make the desk light red. So 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a second HomePod. Oh boy. Oh god. As soon as you said, as soon as you said, "I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have a HomePod in the kitchen." I knew where this was going. But like, okay, come on, carry 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on. You are probably actually, I'm not done, you're probably the only person in the world 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's done this, right? I'm probably the only person in Italy that has two home pods. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Probably in Europe. Like, it's not even available in your country. Poor John. That's who I feel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sorry for on all of this. That's the thing, it's not coming from John. Okay. So, so I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was liking the HomePod so much. I like actually using it a lot, a lot more than I expected. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I realized, you know, I do a lot of things around the house. I like listening to music 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when I do those things. And once I realized that the HomePod sounds great at like 50 to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     70%. I was looking at the echo on my next stand and I was like, "You know, buddy, maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's time for you to go." And what also prompted me to sort of research this was the idea of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this product is getting better, in theory, in the future sometimes, with, you know, the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stereo pair and that kind of stuff. And also I was surprised by the fact that Syria didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mind Syria so much. And so I started looking on eBay. You know, the Italian version. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is like how you got your echo. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Kinda. But it got worse from a certain point of view. So I started doing some research 
     
     
  
 
 
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     trenibals, like, I wonder if there's any Italian that has got a home pod and wants to sell 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the home pod, but I want a white one, because it goes well with my white nightstand. And 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I started looking and I found this person with a white home pod, in theory imported 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the United States. There were other Italians that were selling black home pods, or there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were some home pods from the United Kingdom, others from Germany, which I didn't really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     trust, I wanted somebody in Italy so that I wouldn't incur again in custom, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in taxis and that kind of stuff. So I found this person and he's from northern Italy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm, so I send him a message, I was like, is this like, is this legit? Which I realize 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's, if you're talking to like, if you're talking to a scammer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because the only answer is yes, isn't it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Of course it's legit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, you got me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:20
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     "Oh, you got me!" You know the smuggler's code. If you're asked, then you must be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     asked. So I'm talking to this person and I'm like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I have, where does this home park? So I tried to be clever. I was like, is the box 
     
     
  
 
 
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     damaged because of the transportation from the United States to Italy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like, "No, no, the box is all fine, it's all sealed, it's new, it's new coming from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the United States, and it can be with you in two days if you use DHL Express." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like, "Okay." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm looking at this auction on eBay, and there's a picture of the serial code for a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     serial number of the device. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:13
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     But I need to zoom into the serial code and I cannot understand some of the letters and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:18
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     the numbers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:19
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     So I'm looking at Apple's website and I'm trying to guess what the serial number is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to see if it's a real product or not. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I cannot get it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It feels like a flawed thing to do because you end up just plugging in a random serial 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:20:33
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     But it's not working. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So what I do is, because I've heard on the news, you know, people, especially lately 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:40
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     in Italy, I don't know what's going on, but a lot of people are like being scammed on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:44
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     eBay and these similar websites to buy and sell stuff from other people, individuals. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:51
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     So I'm doing some research on the guy and like I spent an entire afternoon looking at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this person's life. I discovered that he's also selling his parents' apartment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:02
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     Did you buy that too? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:05
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     No, I found where it lives, I found where it works, which probably the guy wants to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:11
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     have some privacy, you know, so he should look into that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:16
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     But he seems like a friendly note later on, maybe put it in his eBay feedback. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:22
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     He seemed like a real person with a real job at a tech related kind of position and also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:30
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     an Apple fan. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:31
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     It was on Twitter, like asking developers to update their apps for iPhone X support 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:36
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     and that type of stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:37
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     You know, he's fighting the good fight, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:39
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     Yeah, you're my kind of guy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:40
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     You're my kind of guy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:41
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     I trust you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:42
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     I will tell you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:44
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     So I get the HomePod and it arrived two days ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:51
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     It was really, really hard for me to keep it a secret from you two and Jon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:56
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     I really wanted to take a picture and send it on iMessage. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:01
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     But as soon as it arrived, so of course I made all my preparations, I had like a ceremony 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:06
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     for the Echo which is now gone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:09
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     I bought from Amazon a second US adapter and I take the HomePod out of the box and I plug 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:17
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     it in and it doesn't work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:19
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     So I was like oh my god what have I done here I just wasted money. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:23
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     Was it one of those things where it was actually just a big slab of meat? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:27
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     - I was picking up the home pod, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:32
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     I was like rotating the home pod in my hands, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:34
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     and I like, what did I just buy? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:36
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     So like, just a stereo with bricks inside, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:41
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     but after wasting like a solid 20 minutes, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:45
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     panicking that I just sent some guy on eBay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:49
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     money for a home pod that was broken, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:51
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     ► 
     I realized that for some reason, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:54
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     After, I needed to touch the top surface 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:58
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     to activate the HomePod. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:00
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     It was not responding to Siri commands. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:05
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     It was not bringing up the prompt request 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:07
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     to do the setup on iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:10
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     I just needed to touch the surface once, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:13
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     and then everything was fixed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:15
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     ► 
     So anyway, it's perfectly fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:19
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     And yesterday, in fact, I wanted to send you a screenshot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:23
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     from the 11.3 beta 2 that had the option to create a stereo pair, which is now gone from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:31
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     the beta 3, but I couldn't because I needed to keep my surprise. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:35
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     How would you even have that option? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:38
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     I have a simple question for you, and I'm not trying to judge you or anything about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:45
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     your purchase. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:47
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     But like, why though? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:51
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     I don't feel like I fully understand why you feel right now that a second home part is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:59
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     what you need, like when you always have an iOS device from you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:02
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     And I'm not saying that you've made a bad decision. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:06
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     I have one of these things in my house, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:08
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     And I don't feel like I need another one of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:12
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     So there's a couple of reasons for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:15
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     The first one is listening to podcasts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:19
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     I do stuff around the house, especially in the morning, whether I'm like doing chores 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:24
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     ► 
     around the house or playing with the dogs. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:27
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     And are you doing multi-room there then? Is that what you like? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:30
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     It doesn't work yet, but during the day I tend to, let's say, hang out between the hallway 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:37
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     ► 
     and my bedroom and it's easier for me to, and it's better for me to listen to a podcast 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:42
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     ► 
     on the HomePod on my nightstand than from the one in the kitchen. So like I don't have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:48
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     ► 
     to put the one in the kitchen a hundred percent so I can hear the voices of people. I can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:53
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     ► 
     just listen to the one in the bedroom. And also at night, like after work, before we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:59
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     ► 
     go to sleep, Sylvia and I, we like to just lie in bed and listen to music. We have a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:05
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     ► 
     playlist that we listen to, like a shared family playlist. And while we used to listen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:11
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     ► 
     on my iPhone or on the iPad, even at 20% at night when everything's quiet and external 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:19
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     ► 
     noise and sounds are not a concern, it sounds really, really good on the HomePod. And I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:25
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     ► 
     wanted to have that kind of experience on my nightstand, essentially. I wanted to have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:30
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     ► 
     20% volume music coming out of the HomePod to relax at night. And I realized that it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:37
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     ► 
     totally does not justify this kind of purchase, but with those couple of reasons for the immediate, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:45
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     ► 
     if you will, curiosity of and need maybe to have a second HomePod with the prospect of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this thing is going to have stereo pair, it's going to do multi-room audio in the future, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:56
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     ► 
     I was like, you know, I don't want to wait for Apple to make up their mind and get a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:00
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     ► 
     second HomePod, and get a second HomePod when it launches in Italy, I want to get one right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:05
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     ► 
     now. And also there was the idea of maybe, you know, not a lot of people have a second 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:11
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     ► 
     HomePod and maybe when the features for multi-room and serial pair, they become available, I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:17
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     ► 
     can be one of the few people that can write about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:20
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     ► 
     So you must have been really sad then when it got removed from 11.3. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:25
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     Well, yes, yes. But it was not working anyway. You only had the option to create the serial 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:26:34
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     ► 
     It getting removed completely means it's less likely that it will be there at all, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:39
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     ► 
     Yeah, it's not a good sign. And also I should mention that, again, the uncertainty of not knowing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:46
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     ► 
     when Italy will get the HomePod, and it could be tomorrow, it could be in two months, which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:51
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     ► 
     I mean, it's possible, but we are planning on moving soon enough in the near future, and I want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:02
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     ► 
     to move to a bigger place. So having two HomePods, ideally even if I have like a personal office 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     space, just like a room for me, that'll be all set because I will already have a second HomePod just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:16
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     ► 
     for me. You mentioned something about the HomePod that I meant to talk about last week, but it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:22
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     bothered me and my family more. If the HomePod is just sitting there and you just touch the top of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it, it will start playing the music that it was playing last, even if it was like 24 hours 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ago. And it, at least what our HomePod is right now in the kitchen, it's actually kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of easy to touch the top of it because it's like there's other stuff on the counter around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it and like all you gotta do is brush the thing and it starts playing. I would like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to see that be an option or that I could just turn that off because it's, it has surprised 
     
     
  
 
 
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     several of us several times over the last week or so that you just touch the thing and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Oh yeah, I was listening to that yesterday," and all of a sudden it's blaring again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, one of my dogs, she put her nose on the home pod and really loud music started 
     
     
  
 
 
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     playing and she ran away scared. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     She'll have a lesson. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Don't touch it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a good lesson. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Wouldn't it be great if everything she touched could just have music come out of it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a personal dog DJ. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what it is, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So anyway, two HomePods. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As you can imagine, the multi-room stuff totally does not work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The Control Center UI is still super weird, and the more you add to that list of output 
     
     
  
 
 
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     devices the longer it becomes and the more awkward it seems. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's okay, but I imagine adding another one would make it not so okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And the white HomePod is totally a dust magnet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you need to keep the thing clean every day because you can tell the differences between 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the space grey one and the white one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Especially if you have dogs, you know, they're messy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I need to clean my HomePod on a daily basis because it's white. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it looks fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it looks really nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It can take great pleasure and like how people clean their soccer trophies or whatever, you 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That's you but with the HomePod. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:29:34
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     So, I wanted to thank the guy from eBay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:37
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     I sent a really positive feedback comment. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was really kind. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:44
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     I could tell that it was an Apple person. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He was like, "Enjoy your HomePod. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:49
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     I really like mine." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:50
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     I was like, "Yeah." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:51
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     Did you give him some notes about his operational security? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:54
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     ► 
     No, no, I did not. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:57
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     I think the problem is that in his kindness 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:00
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     he sent me his phone number and then from there it just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:04
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     snowballed because I was able to find everything about him. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:07
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     I am changing my phone number and I will not give you the new one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:12
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     So yeah, that was my surprise. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:16
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     Did I... is this concerning? Like you said that my surprises always cause some kind of damage? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:22
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     Or preoccupation for you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:25
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     This doesn't necessarily affect me, personally, but I am a little concerned for you, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:31
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     Why though? Why? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:33
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     Because two HomePods is a lot of HomePods. That's like, two more HomePods than most people need. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:39
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     ► 
     And also, I... there was a segment on, I think it was last week's ATP, that I quite liked about... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:45
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     about not buying hardware for the promise of future software or something like that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:54
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     right? And you just mentioned the one thing, it's like, "Oh, well, you know, I bought these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:58
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     now, and it's gonna get better later." But at the same time, they are continuing to delay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:03
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     the software features that are the only ones we know about, right? So it's like, "Ah, what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:08
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     if it just never gets there? What if AirPlay 2 just never, ever happens?" Like, we don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:13
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     know. So yeah, it's just but you know, if it's working for you as it is right now, then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:18
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     great. But like, you know, that's the reason that I wouldn't buy a second one. I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:24
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     think I ever I can't never say never but like, I don't imagine in the near to mid term future 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:32
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     that I would be replacing my Amazon echoes for like the home pod to me is just a smart 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:38
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     audio, like music. It's a smart music device is what I'm trying to say, right? Like, it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:45
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     could do something that I've really struggled with for using the Echo. Like I wanted to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:52
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     listen to the band that I love called the Wild Reeds, which Federico introduced me to, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:58
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     and I can never remember the name of their album. So I asked the HomePod to play me the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:04
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     most recent album and it did it and this is something that I really struggled with on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:10
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     the Echo. Any album which is the name of one of the songs, the Echo just can't deal with. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:21
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     The most recent Kings of Leon album would never play the album. It would only ever play 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:27
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     the song by the name and I would ask it to play the most recent. This was a while ago 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:31
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     and it just wouldn't work. So, you know, it does a good job of like smartly understanding 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:36
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     what I want from a music perspective and it can tell my lights on and off, but it doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:41
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     have IFTTT support, which is something that I use every single day with my Echo and yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:46
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     stuff like that. So anywho, but yeah, if it's working for you, man, more power to you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:50
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     ► 
     Yeah. Yeah. I should mention that also with Homebridge, I can have IFTTT support and it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:57
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     super nice because I need to listen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:59
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     ► 
     I'm assuming you spoke about all of this on Canvas, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:02
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     ► 
     There's an episode of Canvas. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:04
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     ► 
     Yeah, because it's tricky to talk about Linux, that kind of stuff on a podcast. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:10
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     ► 
     Because at some point I want you to explain this Homebridge thing to me, but I assume 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:15
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     you're going to write about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:16
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     ► 
     Yes, yeah, because it's easier to show what you're actually doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:19
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     ► 
     But basically, I wanted to mention another thing that because this speaker is on my nightstand, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:26
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     ► 
     without having to shout, you know, comments to the living room, I can just, for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:31
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     ► 
     change channels on my TV with Siri or, you know, switch inputs, for example, because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:37
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     ► 
     I have a bunch of recipes on IFTTT that hook up to the Logitech Harmony account and basically 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:45
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     ► 
     with Homebridge I can create buttons and switches for Siri to activate those Logitech Harmony 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:53
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     ► 
     recipes, which is super, super cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:55
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     ► 
     I want you to write about this so I can read about it and then we can talk about it, because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:59
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     ► 
     I'm kind of fascinated by the screenshots that you keep sharing of this thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:03
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     ► 
     Yeah, yeah, I will. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:05
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     ► 
     You also have some DuckDuckGo-related follow-up from a few weeks ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:34:09
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     ► 
     So this is quite simple. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:12
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     ► 
     I realize that I'm using... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:15
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     ► 
     I was missing the, more than I expected, the ability to look for real-time content, let's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:24
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     ► 
     say news and local search results on Google. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:29
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     ► 
     And DuckDuckGo totally fails at that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:32
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     I tried to use it, as I mentioned, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:35
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     ► 
     for everything on all of my devices, even my MacBook. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:39
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     ► 
     But I was finding myself constantly typing the Google 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:47
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     ► 
     shortcut to redirect DuckDuckGo search to Google, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:51
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     ► 
     because I couldn't find the news that I wanted to find, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:55
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     like results for the last 24 hours, for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:58
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     ► 
     or just any kind of search result in Italian. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:02
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     Like, DuckDuckGo seems to do pretty well in the United 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:35:07
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     ► 
     And if I were an American person, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:10
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     I would probably use DuckDuckGo, because the English search 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:15
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     results seem pretty comparable to Google, honestly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:19
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     ► 
     But as much as I like to pretend that I'm an American living 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:23
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     in Italy, I actually do use Google Search a lot in Italian. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:29
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     And also, I use Google to find news in both languages. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:33
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     ► 
     But it's another feature that DuckDuckGo does not do well at. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:39
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     ► 
     So I needed to switch back to Google, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:40
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     ► 
     because it didn't make sense to just keep 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:43
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     ► 
     entering the shortcut to switch back to Google Search. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:47
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     ► 
     I'm just going to switch back to Google all the time. And it's something that I was not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:52
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     ► 
     expecting because I don't think this is totally, totally like a weird thing to say, but I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:59
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     ► 
     think of myself as someone who uses a computer in Italian. All of my devices are set to US 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:06
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     ► 
     English. I, of course I write in English. I talk in English. I did not expect to look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:12
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     ► 
     for Italian stuff. So it's probably something that I block out in my brain and that I do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:17
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     ► 
     just instinctively. But it turns out that like I was typing stuff in DuckDuckGo in Italian 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:22
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     ► 
     and it was not working. I was like, huh. So I guess I do use I do type things in Italian 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:28
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     ► 
     sometimes. And yeah, that's the reason why I need to use Google again, because Google 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:33
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     ► 
     is actually pretty awesome at understanding whether you want English content or Italian 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:38
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     ► 
     content and also news, like filtering by the last x hours or week or days. So yeah, that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:47
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     ► 
     the reason why I need to use Google again. I don't like it, but I have to, because otherwise 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:51
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     ► 
     it's just a waste of time if I keep entering the Google bang, whatever it's called, in 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:36:57
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     ► 
     Yeah, because then all you're doing is just Google searching. You're back to square one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     again. It's taking you longer to do it, perform any search. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:03
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     ► 
     Yeah, exactly. So I still don't like it, it's got problems, but yeah, it's what it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:11
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     ► 
     So as Steven points out on my message, I need to stand, because I need to close my rings. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:17
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     ► 
     So if you want, Myke, you can thank our friends at Pingdom, and we'll move on to the next 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That's professional. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I stood, I gained my hour, and I'm back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:59
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     Well, I'm very happy to hear that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Federico, this is actually a very Federico heavy episode today. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Because we are bringing back the much applauded segment, "Teachy Teachers", because today, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you're going to teach us all about automation in Things 3.4, which came out today as we 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:39:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So what is this? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     embraced a web API? Is that what I'm getting? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     No, it's not what it is. I'm sorry. That's not. This is a plain old-fashioned URL scheme 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for communicating with other apps and workflows and launchers and stuff like that. It's no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:41
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     ► 
     web API. And it doesn't include improvements to mail to things either. It's just a way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to automate locally on your device between apps. But I think it's been really done well, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:58
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     ► 
     primarily because of the documentation that is on the web. And I think even if you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:03
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     ► 
     not really proficient in URL schemes and stuff like that, you can read through the docs. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And the documentation makes sense. It's written really well. And there's an idea that I really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like, which is called the link builder. It's this interface on the web, on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     CodeShortCode website, that allows you to enter text in different fields of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     supported commands for things, and in real time as you type you will see how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:36
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     ► 
     the URL scheme changes. So it's a way to sort of combine like a basic GUI 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:43
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     ► 
     with URL schemes and see how what you enter gets encoded, for example, or the way that you're supposed to format data 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     if you want to send a task to things or if you want to create a project in things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So that's really helpful for users who never played with this stuff before. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So my first recommendation would be go check out the documentation and play around with the link builder and see what it looks like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     That said, of course, I've been using things. I think we talked about this in December 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Myke was really surprised by my decision a bunch of other people were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'm still using things. It feels great and with the automation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's now possible to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:34
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     Do things that were not supported at all before things used to offer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     URL scheme for automation, but it was really basic now. It's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe not as powerful as the one from OmniFocus 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It doesn't have a few options that OmniFocus has namely attachments 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can still not include file attachments in things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I think it's been presented more clearly and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And there's a few unique design choices in things that are also supported with automation 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that make me prefer this to OmniFocus automation. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, besides the whole, you know, things is a completely different app from OmniFocus. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So in my examples that I covered today, there's a few things that I want to call out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can now create tasks in the app, of course. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can also launch any view in things from something like Launch Center Pro or Launcher 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or Workflow, whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can open the today list, the upcoming list, or you can open a project, you can launch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a tag view, which is not as easy to get to if you're using the Things app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You want to see what are my tasks that have been tagged with writing, for example. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not so easy in the app because you need to search for the tag and then open the tag 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     If you just create a launcher, you can tap a button in your Today widget and the link 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will take you there in things in just a second. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Also, what I use all the time now is the ability to open a view and also automatically filter 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the view by one of the tags that I have. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So for example, if I want to see today the things I'm supposed to edit, because I'm editing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a bunch of articles from John and Ryan, for example, I can create a launcher that is called 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Today Editing, and it takes me to the Today screen and automatically filters the screen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to show me editing tasks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then you're using something like Launcher 5? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I use, I think it's called Launcher Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Launcher Pro? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Launcher Pro. Yeah, that's what I use. And I use it because it lets me resize. This is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     totally like a minor reason to use it, but it lets me resize the icons in the widget 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and still keep a text label underneath them, even if it gets truncated within ellipses. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, that's why I use it. Also, as I mentioned, you can create tasks. And in my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In my story, there's two examples for workflow. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One of them is an extension that you can run from Safari 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to turn a web page into a task in Things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this is a good example, I think, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it shows you how you can attach different pieces 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of metadata to a new item in Things, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     besides the title and a date, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which you can type in natural language in workflow, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then reformatting the proper, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what's that, ISO something, the proper format for things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can do it from workflow. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But you can also-- - See, that's interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to me because that was one of the things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that frustrated me about things, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is that there wasn't natural language entry 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for dates and times, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but now you can kind of make it yourself. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - You can either make it yourself, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or I think they have extended the support 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for natural language in things itself. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So in theory, you should also be able to type something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like today at 3 p.m. and it'll work from the URL scheme. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if you put together an action, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     without having in drafts, for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     without having to do any additional coding. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I mean just in the app itself, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like in things itself, you can't like start a new to-do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and be like, you know, call Federico at 3 p.m. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not gonna be like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - There's a way, but you need to press a bunch of buttons, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which really defeats the purpose 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because you wanna be able to just type. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, 'cause natural language is, it's about speed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if I'm gonna press a bunch of buttons 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then I'll just set the time, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I'll just do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, so you can make your own natural language 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from workflow. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also you can say, put this in this project 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and attach this tag. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And what I like, which is one of the features that Things offers, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but to my knowledge, no other task manager 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I've tried as this feature, you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can specify the new tasks to be added 
     
     
  
 
 
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     under a specific heading of a project. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if you think of projects in things like Documents 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with sections, which is a feature that I use all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the time-- so for example, my Mac Stories project 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as different sections for research, writing, and publishing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, see that's so nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's really nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's really nice because visually-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Because otherwise they become five different projects 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rather than one project, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah. - Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, and that, even visually when you open the app, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can break up the project by type. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can say, I wanna take a look 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at what I'm supposed to write. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So anyway, you can pass that information 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the URL scheme. You can say, when you create this task, automatically put it under 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the writing section. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh god, that sounds so good. Because I have Show Prep. That's one of my most used projects 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in Todoist. But it's all just a big jumble of every show, right? Which is many for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I would love to be able to have it all connected, have its own little heading. Because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sometimes it's like it's not just prepare for connected there might be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like watch this video or read this article and they get saved as like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     additional things and then I have to write like in the heading like in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actual task itself which show it's like it's just a mess it can get a bit messy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that sounds very nice as well as this feature that I just found out about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     today that you can put a checklist in the notes of a task which is like oh my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh my god, like... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's my second workflow, is a way to automate the process of creating a task that contains 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a checklist. So this is one of the other features of things, that a task can have a title and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a date, it can have a note, which can be text or links, no attachments, but it can also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have separate from the note, but not showed by default, you need to open it, you need 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to expand the task if you want to see it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can have a checklist of multiple items. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this can be useful in a bunch of ways, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whether you need to pack something because you're leaving 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or a grocery list or something else, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Shop Rep, for example, Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can create checklists. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this is also available via automation. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You just need to pass a list of sentences, a list of text lines 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the URL scheme, and it'll work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Finally, I showed the integration with MindNode, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which doesn't really work for me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because you need to create a mind map in MindNode 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and make individual nodes like tasks in MindNode, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which I really don't do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Also, I don't use MindNode 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it's not as customizable as I like it to be. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:15
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     So hopefully, iThoughts, which is the MindMap app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I prefer, will consider this integration going forward. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the bigger topic is that the Culture Code, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:26
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     they created this system for iOS developers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:30
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     to send data to things in bulk, like dozens of tasks, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or entire projects, using this JSON format. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:42
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     And they made it easier for them, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:45
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     not just by supporting JSON, but through this Swift open source 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:50
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     library. It's like a Swift file that you can download and put in your app, and it simplifies 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:57
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     the process of sending data to things. This is what MindNode uses, and this is what drafts5, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is the beta version that I sort of teased in the article, will use. It's a system to sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:12
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     remove the complexity of, you know, whether it's the developer or the user, encoding things manually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:20
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     with the URL scheme, you can abstract all of the complexity and use this native integration 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:27
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     that allows you to do things like turn an entire mind map into a project that contains headings 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:34
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     that contain tasks. Or in drafts 5, you can write a couple of lines of JavaScript 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:42
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     with the custom things module to do the same. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:47
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     And so I teased in the article this custom interface 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I'm building in drafts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:54
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     It's like a custom prompt UI that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     got check boxes and a date picker and a toggle on and off 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to send lines of text to things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't know if I'm going to use this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:07
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     but it's just like it's a proof of concept 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:09
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     to show both Drafts 5 and the kind of this deeper integration that Culture Code would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:18
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     like to have with some third-party apps, which is pretty neat. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As you're talking, I got my Pano book here, which is a notebook that I like, and I'm sitting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:27
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     down and I'm writing out, like, what do I need if I want to move to things? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think you should play with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:39
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     Well, okay, so I have, right? I have played with it. And there were things that I was unhappy with, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:45
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     but they are now solving those problems with this automation stuff. So like, for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:51
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     natural language entry, but I could just build that on my own. Like I was thinking I could set up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:57
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     a workflow, which I linked to from the home screen, which sits next to things on my home screen, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:02
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     as my entry workflow. And it's quicker than opening up the app. And it's also focused. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:07
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     so I'm not going to get distracted with other tasks and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:10
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     Or you could wait for drafts five, make a simple action. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:19
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     Could you be even quicker? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:21
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     I'll tell you even more, you can just type a line of text and press the keyboard shortcut 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:26
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     and run the action and you'll be in things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:31
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     I do have, I have also been playing around with drafts over the last day and it's very nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:38
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     It's very nice. When is draft 5 roughly? Is that soon? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:41
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     We don't know. We don't know. When it's ready. When it's ready is the official communication from Greg. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:47
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     Yeah, it's pretty awesome. I don't know JavaScript well enough, but it's a simple language to understand. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:55
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     it's readable, and the implementation of JavaScript in Drafts 5 is really intuitive and much more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:01
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     accessible. I think that something like Omni automation, for example, which sounds and seems 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:07
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     totally powerful and crazy, you know, insanely customizable, but I think the Omni automation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:13
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     stuff, it veers towards the Objective-C type of programming style that I don't think is as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:22
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     intuitive as what Greg is doing with pure and simple JavaScript in drafts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:27
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     Which is, you know, for someone like me I'm a newcomer to this stuff. I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:31
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     it's more intuitive that what Omni is doing. I mean if you know, if you're a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:35
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     programmer and you know JavaScript well enough, the Omni automation set of, you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:40
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     ► 
     know, APIs seems to be much much more versatile and flexible. But for someone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:46
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     ► 
     like me, you know, I just want to make an action from drafts to things that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:50
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     totally works. Tell me, is the ability to add repeating tasks exposed in this URL scheme? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:01
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     ► 
     I don't think so. Of course it's not, because they don't care about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:05
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     ► 
     Steven, tell Steven, have you figured out why you don't like repeating tasks? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:14
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     - Yes, I have. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:54:16
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     - So in most other apps, OmniFocus, Todoist, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:20
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     ► 
     I spent like a year in To Do with the digit, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:23
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     ► 
     the one you wrote the book about. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:24
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     ► 
     Most of those apps, you set a due date 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:30
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     and the repeating, if you wanna repeat it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:33
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     ► 
     it's just like another step in the workflow. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:35
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     So I want it due on Tuesday, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:37
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     but actually if I check this little box, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it is due every Tuesday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     repeating tasks are like a super set on regular tasks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In Things 3, and I have it open, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I actually, while you were talking, imported, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they have an import from Todoist, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I imported all 42 Todoist projects I have into-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh my god, they have an import from Todoist? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Well, here's the thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it breaks all your repeating tasks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because they don't care about repeating tasks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Of course. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Now you see, come on, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you spent so much time creating this thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just repeating tasks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here's my fundamental problem with things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     About 70% of the tasks in Todoist are repeating, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because when you own a business 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you put content out every week, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you have a lot of repeating tasks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the way things goes about it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can convert a regular task to a repeating task, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but the due date you've set has no bearing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on the repeating schedule. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if I say, for instance, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     edit and publish connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have that go off every Wednesday at 2.30 p.m. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In things, I can set that up, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I have to set the reminders up separately. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if I set it due on Wednesday, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then I go to tell it repeating weekly, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it defaults to Sunday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Why would I want it to do that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I already told you it's due on Wednesday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want it to repeat on Wednesday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just a lot of extra work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - But like, if you change it to Wednesday, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it will then repeat every Wednesday, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but right, you have to like specifically set it up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It doesn't inherit that from the regular task 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you started with, where every other app basically does. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the repeating tasks for me are why I can't use things, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it's so clunky to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The other thing that, it more confuses me about things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than anything else, and I've read the support page, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I actually have created a test project, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I try to understand how it works, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:27
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     but if you set a due date, and that due date 
     
     
  
 
 
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     slips into the past, then it just is due today. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's no way to see how far overdue it is unless you don't set a due date, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but set a deadline. I don't know the difference between those two things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Their support documentation doesn't explain the difference between those two 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things. Why are there two things like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     okay, so, uh, the way I think about it is, um, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like semantically, uh, in my brain it works like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The due date is ideally you should be getting this done by Wednesday, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But if you don't, it's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can do it later. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:05
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     The deadline is you must get this done by Wednesday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And in fact, even visually in the UI, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:12
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     if a due date moves in the past, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:14
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     it just rolls over to today. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:17
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     But the deadline, the task says two days left 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or one day left. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But then if you don't get it done, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it says one day behind, two days behind, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something like that, and it keeps the red badge. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:32
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     So it tells you this was supposed to be done two days ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I feel like if you have, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:38
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     like that's a cool feature to have, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:41
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     but the way that I would look at this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     due dates and deadlines should be set automatically 
     
     
  
 
 
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     unless you change them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:49
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     So like if you say something's due Wednesday, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:52
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     it should default the deadline date for you as Wednesday 
     
     
  
 
 
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     unless you change it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:57
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     - Or have that be an option to enable the app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to do that. You know, for me, yeah, yeah. And again, like all this stuff is so subjective, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:05
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     right? It's about how I work versus how you work. But for me, at least that, like, I understand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the words that are coming out of your mouth, but like, I can't, I can't think about work 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:15
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     that way. Like, because, because it sounds like they're treating due dates like stock 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:20
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     dates. And they actually call them in some of their support documentation, they call 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:24
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     them start dates, although that's nowhere in the UI of the app. It's like, what are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:27
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     doing things, like pull it together. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:30
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     Yeah, that's not right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:31
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     That doesn't seem right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:32
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     I know that it's very different, and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:36
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     know that it probably sounds like a bunch of VP kind of talk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:40
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     that does not make sense for an actual product. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:43
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     But the idea is that-- and I mean, it's subjective, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:50
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     as you say, but the task manager shouldn't cause you stress. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:55
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     And the idea of the due date, it just becomes today, instead of being by default colored in red, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:05
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     or telling you this is overdue. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:08
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     - Yeah, no, I get that. - I think that is a choice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:10
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     But I feel like if you're making an opinion like that, you should have an option. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:14
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     Otherwise, because if that's your opinion, then there shouldn't be the ability to even have badges, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:20
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     right, which they do have. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:21
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     If it's like, "Oh, I don't want to alert you," I get that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:24
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     It's a nice way to think about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:25
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     It should be a setting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:26
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     It should be a setting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:27
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     They haven't gone the whole way with that ideology. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:30
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     They've only gone part of the way, and by going that part of the way, they alienate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:34
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     some people. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:35
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     So I think that it is a nicer idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:37
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     The way that you described this when you initially moved is why I even ever considered it, because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:44
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     it was nice to think of it as just a more chill environment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:49
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     In doing that, they do take away some functionality that would be nice to be able to kind of globally 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:57
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     change, especially when they actually have the underpinnings of the regular system. Like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:01
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     it's there. They're just calling things different. Like, you know, what they're calling due dates 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:07
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     and deadlines are start dates and due dates. But they're just not calling them that. But 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:12
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     that's how they function in like in every other application and in every other system. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:17
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     So I feel like you either change the name or change the function or give me some options. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:24
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     And I feel like, you know, you don't want to add up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:26
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     I get the idea of options, but they've literally just created a URL scheme, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:31
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     Culture code are clearly not averse to going into the nitty gritty, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:36
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     So maybe some additional options would be a nice thing to have when you've gone and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:42
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     done something that is very impressive, but is the most nitty of gritty that you can get. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:47
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     to create a custom URL scheme, right? So, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:51
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     I think an idea that could be maybe explored, maybe not by culture code, but by developers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:57
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     in general is, how, like, what kind of, I'm thinking of something like the carrot personality 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:07
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     slider but applied to, like, stress. Like, how much do you want to feel, I don't want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:16
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     say guilty, but like when you open your task manager, what kind of level of reminding you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:24
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     to do things do you want to see? Do you want the calm environment or do you want something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:28
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     in between or do you want to have like the emergency mode where if you don't get things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:32
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     done everything explodes? And that could be like a fun way to tackle this problem of depending 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:38
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     on the level of, you know, the mental state or the anxiety level or whatever it is of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:43
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     the person, the app should adapt and should be controllable by the user to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:49
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     say exactly how you can say in Carrot, for example, I want the AI to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:54
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     "cinnarchy" or I want the UI to be somewhere in between or "neutral". It could be fun 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:59
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     to have that kind of mindset but applied to productivity apps because... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:03
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     I want it on my back or I want to just like come to it when I'm good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:08
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     Yeah, because there's maybe times of the year when you're like, come on, just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:12
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     just don't bother me. It's a difficult time right now. Or I need to be in hyper-focus 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:19
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     mode. You need to tell me every single detail of every single due date. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:25
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     This is a job for machine learning, right? Like, this is what it should be doing. Understanding 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:30
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     me and tailoring the experience to me. That's what I want. I feel like different people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:39
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     have different feelings about what they want their machine learning to do, but I want my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:43
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     machine learning to learn about me and then tailor my experience. So like in that idea, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:47
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     right, like that maybe my task manager is like super chill on Fridays. Like it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:52
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     we're good. We're just going to relax. Or like over the weekends if I have a due date 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:57
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     on an item, like we don't really need to worry about that too much because I've got the whole 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:01
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     day if I want to work on it, right? Or like if I have 20 items due on Tuesday and only 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:07
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     three items due on Thursday, maybe you should be a little bit more on my back on Tuesday 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:11
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     than Thursday. Stuff like that would be great, especially when a task manager or a calendar 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:18
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     is so full of data. I am entering a wealth of data into these systems. There is so much 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:27
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     to potentially learn about someone. That's what I hope would be the future of these systems. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:33
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     And speaking of like contextual type of stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:36
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     I still don't understand how there's still not like an API 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:41
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     or something or even like a system feature 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:45
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     that if I'm driving or if I'm doing a workout, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:49
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     don't bother me, don't send me notifications, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:51
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     they're useless. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:03:53
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     - Isn't that do not disturb while driving? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:55
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     Isn't that what it is? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:03:57
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     - Well, it should be maybe, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:59
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     maybe in the report, you know, Mark Gurman said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:02
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     like more, what's that, more customizable something, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:06
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     do not disturb, deeper do not disturb, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:08
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     maybe that's what it is, like a way to understand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:11
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     what the user is doing and like look at my calendar, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:13
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     look at my, am I driving, am I running, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:16
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     am I doing a workout, and adjust the notifications 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:19
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     and that type of stuff accordingly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:22
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     I'm surprised that it's still not an option 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:24
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     like at a system level. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:25
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     - Yeah, well, just while you mention that, Guillermo, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:28
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     I think we'll move on from this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:31
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     You know in that article last week it mentioned like better navigation for Animoji? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:36
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     I think that means a standalone Animoji app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:39
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     I mean, I can tell you that I've been using the Animoji Studio app by Mr Rambo on my... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:48
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     It's so fancy every time I say Mr Rambo on my iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:51
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     And it's fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:53
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     It's the way that it should be from Apple. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:56
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     It's just they are using this more and more and more in their marketing that I just think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:01
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     at this point, the only reason you would not have a standalone Animoji app is if you were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:08
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     looking to make it an iOS 12 feature. That's the only thing that logically makes any sense 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:13
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     to me, because clearly Apple are throwing a lot of their development and marketing behind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:19
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     this thing. Do more with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:26
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     moved way past iMessage, I think. Even if it's just clips. Yeah, exactly. It would be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:34
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     perfect for clips. Alright, so thank you so much for making me write up this list of stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Squarespace, make your next move, make your next website. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So back to Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Last week you wrote an article called "New Apps for 2018" which is a bit of a traditional post for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You do it on a mostly yearly basis, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do it, I think every couple of years. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There isn't now, I mean honestly, there isn't always like 15 brand new apps, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Every single year that would mean a lot, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot, right? Like there's always new stuff, but there isn't necessarily like you don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     turn everything over on a yearly basis, right? So like you would be writing about the same 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things I guess every year. But you picked nine applications in very different categories. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I wanted to just kind of like go through them a little bit. You could give like a sentence 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or two on them. And if we have any questions about like how and why you use those apps, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can we jump in? Is that good? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay. Yes. Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the first is Headspace. Hi. Hi. Hi. Welcome. Welcome to Headspace. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Get comfortable. Feel the chair. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you've ever heard Headspace, you know what we're doing right now. But what is Headspace? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a meditation app, guided meditation. So you listen to this person who someone on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Twitter a few days ago sent me his Twitter account and it does not look the way that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I pictured him. So the guy turns out he's a former... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's basically a podcaster, that's what everybody says about us. Nobody ever looks the way you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     expect them to look. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He used to be a monk, which does not surprise me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's a super chill. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So anyway, yeah. You listen to... so, every day, the Headspace Journey, the way that they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     describe it, consists of every day you listen for 10, 15 or 20 minutes, even 5 minutes maybe, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this session of, I'm gonna simplify this, someone telling you to sit down, breathe, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and do different types of exercises. Not in the sense of like push-ups and sit-ups, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like try to, it's an exercise for the mind. It's like crying. It's time to relax. Drop 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Stop and give me 20!" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes. So it's a way to... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's super difficult to describe, and also it's organizing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sections and themes based on what you're looking for. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So there's packs, that's the way that they're called, there's packs 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for productivity or inspiration or creativity or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stress, anxiety, there's all kinds of categories to train 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yourself for. But the basic idea is that you take a few minutes every day just for you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and just for your mind to think and to exercise. I guess the idea is that you exercise the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ability to control what you think and to control not what you feel but the process of being 
     
     
  
 
 
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     aware of what you feel. It's difficult to describe. For me, it's super tough to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One, because I have a busy life, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do a lot of different things every day. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so even finding 10 minutes just for myself, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel guilty or there's maybe not the time, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I need to take care of other things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's an exercise in and of itself. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But also it was difficult for me to understand stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like the body scan. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the ability to like sit down and just think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about what you're feeling like at a very physical level. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's very intriguing. I didn't believe this stuff at all, but there's a trial and really it's not about like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     spiritual stuff in any way. It's just learning to breathe and think that's what it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     My fiance uses it too, which means that I am forced to use it sometimes because she usually plays when she's going to sleep. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm forced into listening to it. I am head spaced against my will 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it is good. It's calming. I have you also used it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Depending on when you like so, you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can use any of them and they can help you feel sleepy if that's what you need because it's just about relaxing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I guess it's just about the time of day that you want to use it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess on a because you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You've got headspace to work out your mind and then you have workouts plus plus to work out your body, I guess. Yes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes. So this is an underscores app for workouts. I should clarify that this week I have to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     use the Apple Workout app for an achievement that requires me to complete seven workouts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the Apple Workout app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But other ones... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Does that not work in third-party apps? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, no. It says in the Workout app. In the Workout app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's so dumb. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want my badge and this week I'm using Apple's. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But otherwise, David's app is superior in multiple ways. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would summarize as complete personalization, so you can customize what the data points 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also there's one feature, well just one feature that I really like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that is, actually two features. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can spin the digital crown to end a workout on the watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's a line chart for your heart rate. That's ideal for me because at a glance it shows you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how fast you're going on a bike, for example. The progress over 20-30 minutes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is a very good workout app which is mostly focused around the Apple Watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in that it allows you to create custom layouts for what you want to see on the watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when you're working out. So I use it when I am swimming because I also like the the line graph of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the heart rate so I can see when I'm working hard and it's good because I'm able to put in all of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     specific information that I want to see when I'm swimming which Apple's app doesn't do a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     necessarily a good job of showing me. So it's a really good app for that. And of course, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if you do anything which is a workout which is more dry related, Workouts++ will allow 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you to listen to podcasts on your watch whilst you work out with Bluetooth headphones attached, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is really cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Is Streaks a similar thing? You've got a lot of... Is this like New Year, New You type 
     
     
  
 
 
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     situation we've got going on here Federico? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's related to what we discussed on analog when we did the Keisel-Ysa extravaganza episode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, the theme would be I'm thinking of myself more. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And in Strix, it's a habit tracker, so there's a few habits that I would like to complete 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail, and I like Strix. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:29
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     There's many, many habit trackers on the AppSource. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like this one because it integrates with Hellkit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You don't need to manually complete habits for a workout, because the moment that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:49
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     complete a workout, the app sees that data in Hellkit and sends you a notification that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the habit has been marked as done for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:57
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     And also you can say you have granular controls over the frequency of completion for some 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So you can say, "I don't want to complete this every day, I want to complete this X 
     
     
  
 
 
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     times a week." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:11
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     So that works because there's some stuff that I don't need to do on a daily basis, but also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want to do at least like five times a week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I really like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:22
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     I'm doing some of that this year as well, some habit tracking stuff, but I'm actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     using tally instead of this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:31
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     I only have a couple of things and it's pretty easy to just increment it by one or reset 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That's kind of how I'm tracking a few things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:41
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     But yeah, Streaks is really cool and I really like the interface. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it looks really nice and it's really customizable which is really cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So up next we have One Second Every Day, which out of this list, this is the only one I hadn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     heard of, and I think it's maybe the most interesting to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So what does this app do? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:07
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     So the idea is that at the end of the year, you make this video that consists of one or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one and a half seconds of footage from every day of the past year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's a fun way to create like a little video for yourself or for your partner, for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your family to show what the past year has been like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So every day you go into the app, there's like the main view is a calendar and you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tap on individual days to add footage. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:37
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     And the great thing about the app is that you're not forced to record video in the app 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You can, but you can also import video from the library. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:47
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     Or if you forget to record a video of what you're doing, you can use the video part inside 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of a live photo. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:56
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     That's clever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:57
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     That's really clever because many times I forget to take a video, but I have a photo 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from that day. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I look forward to the final product in December. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:08
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     I did one of those face ones once. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't remember the name of the app, but I think Adam Lisagor was behind it, I think? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     yeah i would love 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:19
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     to know where that video is somewhere. But yeah, I did it for an entire year, I took a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     picture of my face every day. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     We spoke a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:28
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     about this earlier but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:29
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     uh... you're using Homebridge and doing some funny HomeKit stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:33
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     and HomeCam is part of that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:35
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     that setup for you, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:39
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     Yeah, HomeCam is this app that only shows you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:45
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     video previews from HomeKit cameras. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:49
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     It's much faster, especially if you have a lot of cameras, and I plan to add more HomeKit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:54
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     cameras, whether by official certified hardware and also webcams connected to my Raspberry 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And this is basically a way to just tap on an icon and get a grid of real-time previews. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It works really well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:11
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     on the Apple TV and soon on iOS, there's the ability to, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:15
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     this is really clever, to control accessories 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:19
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     or see data returned by sensors 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:23
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     located in the same room as the camera. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:26
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     So I can imagine that if you have like a baby camera, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:29
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     for example, you can control the temperature 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:31
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     or control the lights. - Oh, that's cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:32
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     - And you can do this contextually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:35
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     while you're watching the video, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:37
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     you can see on the Apple TV, the sensor data 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:40
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     and you can long press on the Siri remote 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:43
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     to access these shortcuts from within the video. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:47
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     It's really clever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:48
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     - Up next we have Airtable, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:51
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     which this is one of those apps/services 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:54
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     I have a hard time describing to people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:57
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     because it's kind of like-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:59
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     - They're a tiny head culprit, Airtable. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:02
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     - It's kind of a database, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:03
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     but it's also kind of a spreadsheet, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:05
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     but it's also kind of neither. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:06
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     Like, I struggle with describing this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:09
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     Yeah, it's like a spreadsheet combined with a database. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:15
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     And on the surface, it looks like a spreadsheet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:20
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     But then when you tap on an item, it looks like a database. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:24
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     So each item can have fields. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:28
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     And these fields are not limited to text or numbers or formulas. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They can be switches, like on and off. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They can be pictures. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They can be links. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They can be like links to other items, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like in a relational database, for example. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm using this to track movies that I want to watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and video games that I want to play. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And because of the way that you can create filters and saved 
     
     
  
 
 
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     views, based on the status of some of these fields, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have different views for games that I'm playing right now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Games that are upcoming and games that have been released but that I still have not played 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also games that I finished the main story, but I need to complete the extras 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, it's very granular the way that I'm tracking video games 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And and a note or I mean what why why this as opposed to just like a list somewhere 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because it looks colorful and I can see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's easier to filter, as I mentioned, the different types of conditions that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want to see. So for movies, for example, I have a saved filter for 4k movies that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can get on iTunes. And for video games I can see like upcoming stuff on the PS4. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because you can create these filters, these rules, it's easier than a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     plain text list that requires me either to format or to search I can just flip 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a toggle and I can see just what I want to see. It's really hard to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     describe but I swear it makes sense once you try for a couple of minutes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sounds a little bit like a file maker type deal. Kind of but it's more friendly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico, I see iCab in this list. If you join the great ranks of people who use 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:31
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     third-party browsers on iOS? No, no, no, no, no, no. Not doing that, but I use iCab as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the browser that comes in when Safari cannot get something done, and it's like, "Hey buddy, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:47
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     let me take care of this for you." So, like, downloads. You know this crazy thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:52
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     people use the web to download files? It's a thing, apparently, you can go on the web 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:58
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     and download, you know, documents. It's this crazy concept, crazy idea. So yeah, people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:05
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     download stuff using a web browser and iCab has an excellent built-in downloader UI, like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:12
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     a menu that lists all your downloads and you can tap on them and you can do stuff with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them. Imagine that. It's a crazy, crazy idea. And also iCab, unlike Safari, has better controls 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:26
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     for websites that do not work well on mobile devices, such as Go Figure Airtable. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:33
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     They have a website that if you try to open the web app on your iPhone, it just says go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:38
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     to the App Store and get the app, except that the app does not have all of the features 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:42
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     from the web app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:44
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     So I need to use iCab in desktop mode to access these features. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:49
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     And what makes it better than Safari's request desktop site mode is that it's a permanent 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:22:57
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     So you can create a rule that says every time you see this domain, always expose the user 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:03
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     agent for Safari for Mac or Google Chrome for Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:08
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     So you can pretend that you're a desktop browser and the website thinks you are a desktop browser, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:13
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     but in fact you're still using an iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:15
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     So this works really well in iCab. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:18
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     Is there still touch control? Did they mock up like a pointer with a trackpad or something? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:23
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     I think... I don't remember. I think that one you're thinking of is... not dolphin, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:32
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     puffin web browser? Something like that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:34
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     What? It went in fin. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:36
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     They have like, they have some kind of bird icon. I think I wrote about it last year in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:44
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     in iPad Diaries, I think it's Puffin web browser that simulates like a trackpad mode in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:50
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     corner of the screen. Yeah, that's a thing also. So I don't use iCab as my main browser 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:58
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     just when I need to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:59
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     It's just in emergencies. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:24:01
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     So you introduced me to toggle, and it looks like you're now using a different time tracking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:07
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     application. It's time to talk about time tracking, everyone's favorite discussion. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:12
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     we using to something else now if you moved away from toggle? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:15
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     Yeah, I don't like the fact that toggle, they apparently don't care about an iPhone or iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:23
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     experience like a good one because they are a web service. They have an iPhone app now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:28
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     and it's getting better but they don't have an iPad version and the iPhone app is nowhere 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:33
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     near what I like it to be. And Time, Time Blogger, it's this app that like I couldn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:40
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     find any review. Like, I was nobody talking about this. You know, all the time tracking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:46
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     people, where are you? I guess there must be... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:49
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     I'm right here. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:24:51
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     I'm the only one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:52
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     You should have told me about this app, Myke. I like it because it works the way that I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:01
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     think of my timers. So you can create groups, you can create multiple timers, and you can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:07
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     see these in-depth stats directly on iOS instead of going to the toggle web app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:13
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     You have these reports and the ability to break down time by project 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:20
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     or by task. You can add notes. There's an iPhone app. There's a widget, so I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:25
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     have to make my own workflows. There's a widget. There's an Apple Watch version. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:32
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     And really, mostly I just go to the global stats page and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:37
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     tap on the group tab and I can take a look at how much time I'm spending on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:44
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     what part of my life. And for example, this week because of all the writing that I've been doing, Max Stories, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:50
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     which is the red project, is at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:52
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     87%, which is totally insane. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:55
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     So yeah, it's a native iOS time tracker that lets me do more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:02
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     more time tracking on iOS instead of using Safari or iCab or going to a web app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:08
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     So here's a question that I very rarely ask. Do they have a Mac app? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:12
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     No, they do not. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:15
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     Well, goodbye. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:17
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     You know, it's that kind of app from a single developer, single person. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:23
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     Just wait until Project Marzipan and they'll be able to write one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:26
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     There you go. I can at least get a menu bar app. Weirdly, this is like one of the only 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:31
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     things which is a deal breaker for me. There aren't many software categories where "is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:37
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     there a Mac app" is necessarily a deal breaker of mine. This is one of them. Because the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:42
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     most hours that I put in are on a Mac. Like, there's recording and editing. They are the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:49
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     longest things that I will do and I want to have something native on the Mac that I can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:54
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     set things with. And I get, like, toggle apps kind of are not good everywhere but they do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:59
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     a decent job and you know what I actually just use I just leave a tab open in Chrome 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:04
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     on all my devices as well and it works fine for me and my widgets work fine and I'm kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:10
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     of I'm fine with toggle as it is but I'm only ever going to look at something if I can get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:15
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     like an experience everywhere and if this doesn't have any way for me to use it on my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:19
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     Mac then it's not going to be for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:24
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     And then the last one is home dash. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:27
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     Yes, this is my favorite surprise of all the... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:31
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     You know, because I spend a little time over the holidays browsing the app store looking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:36
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     for new things, and this HomeDash app, I think it used to be called a different way before, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:42
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     Lightify something, like a couple of years ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:46
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     Anyway, HomeDash is like... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:48
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     Imagine if HomeKit received like an iOS 11 fresh coat of paint and looked like a modern 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:56
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     dashboard from the Jetsons. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:00
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     This is what it looks like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:02
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     It's a way to create custom dashboards for your HomeKit controls and you have actual 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:08
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     controls that are not just bland squares like in the Home app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:14
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     You have sliders, you have color pickers, you have real-time camera previews, you have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:19
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     power buttons, you have lists of items, it's very colorful and it makes more sense than 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:29
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     the Apple Home app because it adapts to different types of accessories. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:34
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     And it looks futuristic which is a nice plus because I feel like I'm in a spaceship every 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:41
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     time I look at my home dashboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:45
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     I really like it and I wish that Apple took a little more liberty to try a bunch of crazy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:52
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     UIs with HomeKit, because right now you open the Home app and it's just a bunch of squares 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:56
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     and rectangles. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:59
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     It looks boring. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:00
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     And if you try HomeDash, it looks inspired and new and fresh. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:05
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     And it still does the same things that you can do in the Home app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:08
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     I mean, as far as controls are concerned, you cannot add new accessories with HomeDash, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:14
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     You can control, you can create dashboards for multiple rooms, you can add scenes, you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:20
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     can add multiple cameras even. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:24
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     So it looks really nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:27
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     The only downside I guess is that according to the developer there's an Apple limitation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:33
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     and so the dashboards that you create on one device, they cannot sync over iCloud to another 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:29:41
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     create them from scratch, which is too bad, but you know, I can live with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:45
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     This is a great list. I like that there, I think most people that would have seen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:51
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     this list or will have heard us talk about this now, there's gonna be at least 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:54
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     one app that you've never heard of that you might want to try out, right? Like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:57
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     ► 
     there's some interesting stuff in there, especially the HomeKit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:00
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     applications, which I think people don't necessarily seek for, because I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:06
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     know if you, I mean I don't ever really think that such a thing exists, like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:09
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     just never even think to look for it. So it's cool to know that there are people that are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:13
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     doing things in that arena as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:16
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     Yeah, yeah. I think the HomeKit API used to be more difficult or problematic before. Now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:25
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     it's, I don't think it's still perfect, but there's room for developers to go places where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:31
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     Apple does not want to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:33
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     All right, Steven, take us home. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:35
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     I think that about does it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:37
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     If you want to find links to all the stuff we talked about, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:40
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     you can do so on our website or in the app 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:44
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     that you're listening in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:45
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     That URL is relay.fm/connected/181. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:50
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     You get in touch with us there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:52
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     There's an email link, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:53
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     and then there's links to all of us on Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:56
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     Myke is I-M-Y-K-E, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:59
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     and Myke is the host of a bunch of shows here on Relay FM. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:02
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     You can check those out at relay.fm/shows. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:05
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     If you like connected, there'll be something else that you like there, I promise. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:08
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     ► 
     You can find Federico, he writes maxstories.net and you can find him on Twitter @vittici. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:15
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     ► 
     You can find me as ismh and I write and host the 512pixels YouTube channel, 512pixels.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:23
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     And until next week guys, say goodbye. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:26
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     Arrivederci! 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:31:29
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     Oh no, I don't know where I go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:30
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     I don't know where I go in the order yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:32
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     Where do you want to go? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:34
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     I'll go after you, you do it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:31:37
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     Until next week, say goodbye. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 01:31:44
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     You should leave the scene.