183: PodStorm
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Everybody good?
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- I really hesitated for a moment
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- From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 183.
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It's made possible this week
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by our sponsors Hover Away and Casper.
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My name is Stephen Hackett, I'm your host,
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and I'm joined by your two other hosts.
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We're all equal footing,
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even though I'm the one announcing the show.
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Up first, we have Michael Hurley.
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Michael, how are you?
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- You were very, very traditional this week.
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- Well, I am now, but will it be that way in the edit?
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No one knows.
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- Yeah, anything could happen.
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It could be in reverse.
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Over me, over me.
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- We also are joined, of course, by Mr. Federico Fattici.
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- Hi, it's, hi, how are you?
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It's good to have you back.
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Yes, yes, I was absent last week. I was absent in the body, but present in the spirit.
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Were you though?
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Yeah, I mean, it's almost strange to be able to talk to you in real time
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instead of having this sort of godlike commentary coming from above into our ears, into our show.
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It's strange. Are you a real person?
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Okay, okay, cool. All right. Yeah.
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taken. So this is the show. We start with follow-up. With you. And I think we already talked about one.
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Last week I was absent. And I was absent but I still edited the show. So if you haven't
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listened to last week's episode, maybe listen to the first couple minutes and you'll get a taste of
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whatever that was. It was really good. You did a really good job. I think the Steven era has been
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is just a huge success so far.
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I will say, for the listener who's rolling their eyes at me right now, I did not put
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this in the show notes. I did not put this in follow-up. Someone else did.
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He really... it's like, just in big, bold letters, "You must applaud me." It's very
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That's right. Or, "I'll string your words together and make you say terrible things."
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So let's jump in. What is this...?
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Yeah, I have a few clarifications, corrections and pieces of follow-up from last week.
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Maj pointed out the correction in, we were talking about the fingerprint sensor, you know,
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talking about that in-screen fingerprint sensor.
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So it is made by a company called Synaptic.
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The phone maker, Vivo, they didn't make it.
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That was what I said. I was incorrect on that.
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Vivo is just the first manufacturer to use it.
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So that's a good thing because it then means that Synaptic, the company that makes this
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fingerprint sensor, they can sell it far and wide because it's just a part made by a vendor
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is what it looks like so far.
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And Vivo, for whatever reason, is a manufacturer in China, is the first one to really be doing
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anything public with it.
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It might be because it's a tricky part or an expensive part so it's being done at low
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I don't know.
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But Synaptic is the company and they make those sensors.
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I do wonder, I mean it's great that it's like this third party like OEM other phone, you
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know, companies could go and buy this thing and integrate it.
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But I wonder, and you guys talked a little bit about this, like is there a market for
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Like Apple's not going to go back to a fingerprint reader.
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Android will keep doing, there will be a lot and lot of Android phones that will do fingerprint
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sensors, if anything, just to cater for people that don't like the face scanning.
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Right, so if you've got so much choice...
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I just wonder if those customers are used to it being on the back and that...
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You know what I mean? Like, would they make the move to put it back on the front
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where it used to be?
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I think the back is nice, the front is normal, and I think that if you can have
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so much of the screen be the sensor, that makes it good to put it on the front again.
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Because you've added an additional incentive.
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Like if you can cover a quarter of the screen so you don't actually have to put your finger
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or your thumb in a specific place, that is enough of an incentive to move it again, right?
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In my opinion, because now you've created something that is vastly superior.
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Many people also recommended to me a way to trick Face ID into triggering a new scan.
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So this is something that I was complaining about.
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like if you're looking at your home screen and face ID doesn't recognize you,
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there wasn't a button or anything you could press to make it scan your face again.
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Well it turns out if you tilt the phone away from you and back again,
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it will trigger a rescan because what it's doing is something with the accelerometer.
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I reckon this is something to do with the raise to wake stuff,
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so it effectively treats it as a new raise to wake. It's a hack but it totally works and I've
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been using it this week and I'm very happy about it. Like it's fixed one of my biggest issues.
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if it doesn't recognize me, I just tilt away, tilt back and it does it straight away.
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So I like that, but I still think that there needs to be a better mechanism for it.
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But this one will totally work for me for now.
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I got lots of feedback about that.
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If you do that enough times, it sort of becomes like a workout.
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You know, if you do that like a hundred of times every day.
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Yeah, wrist exercises.
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You should put some weights on the back of the iPhone.
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I mean seriously though, this film's pretty heavy as it is, so, you know.
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We're gonna get pitches for cases now that you can attach weights to. You know what you've
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It's like when Goku trains in Dragon Ball because he needs to become faster and so he
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puts on weights.
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We can totally relate to that.
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I was getting ready to bring that up.
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Especially Steven knows. Steven knows, I'm sure.
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Yeah, I'm surprised that we didn't think of it before now.
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It's weird I had it written down in my notebook. It's very strange.
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Stephen, tell us about Dragon Ball.
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I can't tell you about Dragon Ball. But I can tell you about the story in the San Francisco
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Chronicle. Apple Park is a beautiful campus. Everything is made out of glass and dreams
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and hope. And the problem with those three construction methods is that people walk into
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And if you walk into Dreams and Hope, you're mostly okay.
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But if you walk into Glass, you're going to have a bad time.
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And so this article has transcripts from three 911 calls from Apple's new campus.
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These are retained by public record requests.
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You can go and get these.
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People walking into Glass and getting hurt.
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And that's a funny story to me, but it's also, I mean, it's terrible that people are getting
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hurt and clearly Apple has a problem on their hands.
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But it's just something about this story just really… it just fits so many things that
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people complain about Apple.
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I don't know.
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What do you guys think?
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I have a couple of points on this.
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One, it's super weird to read these 911 transcripts, and you should read them just
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because they're interesting.
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Especially because they're really good transcripts, so they pick up these strange inflections.
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The way that they respond to things is really interesting.
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time on all three calls, like the way that the address is described is very peculiarly
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like they also, the person that's calling is always really hesitant to actually talk
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about what's happened, which I find really weird. Like the 911 dispatcher has to ask
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them multiple times to explain what has happened. And then there are these two calls which were
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clearly made by the same person, like the second, the last two calls, because every
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sentence has basically started with "it's going to be in" like this phrase is repeated
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a bunch like it's gonna be on the gate it's gonna be in apple park it's gonna be like
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a day and it's really just interesting to read these calls um i think it is really uh
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meme-y to point at this and be like "johnny i've can't design" but i kind of i i'm sorry
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stephen i roll my eyes at this it's just it's a building with glass like i walked through
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a screen door at your house.
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It's true, he did.
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Like, you know, this is just a thing that people do, and there are ways around it, and
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eventually people will stop doing it because everyone's bleeding out.
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Yeah, everyone's dead.
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I mean, I didn't put this in here to make the point that Johnny Ivey's bad at buildings,
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although maybe he is.
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It's just a weird story because we don't hear much about Apple, like their campus stuff
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before Apple Park, and they made such a huge deal of it, and now it's in the news again.
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a very strange story because we don't see this sort of stuff from Apple.
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There were professional architects involved in this.
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It wasn't like, you know, it wasn't all journey.
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Maybe put some bandage or something on that glass.
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I've worked in places with plenty of glass, I mean it happens, but it's a thing.
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Yeah, this is going to be one of those sad situations where they have this beautiful
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campus but now every wall is covered in stickers.
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the unfortunate part of this, which I'm sure they're doing now if they haven't done already,
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right? Like they're trying to put some tasteful warning signs, like push and pull or whatever,
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but it's just a shame that eventually every pane of glass is going to be covered with
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a health and safety sticker.
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So what you're saying, Myke, is I'm going to quote you back to you. "It's a shame to
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cover Apple products in stickers," is what you said.
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That's what he said. It's on the record. It's in our audio files. It's what he said.
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I've already lead quest on the show, but I held it back.
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I love the question from the dispatcher.
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Is this a building or a room number?
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I imagine like these people staying in an Apple hotel and everybody just at their computers
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in the rooms.
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It's a very strange picture.
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But yeah, I've never been in a...
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I've never worked in this type of office, so I don't know. This is something that I've
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learned recently of like offices with glass walls and doors and people walking into them.
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This is all new to me, but I've never walked into a glass door myself, so I guess it I
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suppose it hurts real bad, especially like if you're, you know, walking like, you know,
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need to go somewhere and you're like focus on your phone and then you just suddenly hit
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your head. It's like that must be awful. That must be really awful.
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It happens all the time. Can I read, can I read just a little section of this, of this,
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these calls? This is call two on January the second. This is just to highlight the interesting
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text. This is like a good example of it. So dispatcher, what's the address of the emergency?
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It's going to be one Apple Park Cupertino. It's going to be a medical emergency. Can
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Can you verify the address of the emergency? It's going to be one Apple Parkway Cupertino.
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Okay, and is that a business? Yes, it's going to be Apple Campus. It's just like it keeps
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going on like this. It's really interesting to me. I don't understand. But this is obviously
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just the way this person talks. And it's like, you know, I know I have my tics. I say "like"
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a lot, right? But it's just fun to me to read it written down like this, because this person
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just keep saying this phrase over and over again. Anyway, it's interesting. It's interesting
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just because you kind of get to see the way that the protocols are, because the person
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who hurts themselves is not really allowed to talk to the people. It's a security situation,
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they call it. It's all really just weird, but it's there if you want to go see it.
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Federico, tell us about iTunes LP.
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It's 2004, everyone.
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I think that yesterday this website, which is also a newspaper, I think, Metro, they
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published this report based on an email that Apple was discontinuing the iTunes LP format,
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which is this, I want to say, interesting experiment that Apple did.
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I think it dates back to 2009, maybe?
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And it was a way for artists with an album on the iTunes store.
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This Metro article is so bad.
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Yeah, it's terrible.
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You just need to go and look at this.
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It's really bad.
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Like basically they don't know what iTunes LP is and they think that it means all albums
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are being removed from the iTunes store.
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Oh gosh, this is terrible.
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The title of the story is "End of iTunes? Leaked Apple Email Sparks Fears Over Future
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of Music Downloads."
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Only to the Metro!
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Check out the GIF, though. That's like iTunes version 6 with CoverFlow.
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I'm saving that GIF.
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Never mind the source, but the story is that this format, which was a way for artists to
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essentially replicate digitally the experience of buying a physical CD album.
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So, using a mix of CSS,
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JavaScript, I want to say, you could offer on the desktop in iTunes these extra contents such as bonus tracks or
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the... what's the name of the notes that you use to get CDs? Liner notes.
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video so you could offer this basically DVD extras but for music and
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I have thoughts about this. I thought it was a cool idea
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Basically, then Apple reached out to the verge and they sent a statement
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They will not be accepting new submissions for iTunes LP content the submissions for new LP content if it ever
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I don't know if somebody is
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Well, those are ending this month
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I'm sorry to officially communicate this to you, but the existing iTunes LP albums
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and your purchases will live on and you will be able to re-download them and enjoy them
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only on the desktop because they're not compatible with mobile devices.
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Man, that's just like... I love that, right? Like, they're gonna keep supporting it,
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which means just more old code in iTunes, right? Like, just more legacy in iTunes.
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That's what that means, poor iTunes.
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Yeah, yeah, what you gotta do, it's an old app anyway, so everything is old. And I want to say
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that I'm sad because I think, and if you pay attention you could see how maybe Spotify is
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sort of doing something along these lines, that the idea of being able to reach out to the super fans
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of an artist and to offer, maybe even let them pay for extra content, it's something that I think
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should have been adapted to the streaming era, which is something that of course Apple
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But I could see how if I'm really into Fallout Boy, for example, I would love to have notes
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or video or bonus tracks, stuff just for me, an interactive content that I could use within
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Apple Music instead of having to search on Google or go to YouTube or something else.
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I think it's a great idea for people who are really into, you know, an artist or really
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But of course, how would you reconcile this with a subscription model?
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And I guess that's why Apple ultimately, you know, it was a great idea launched in the
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wrong time period.
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That's the way that I think about it.
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So what you want is a way to go into iTunes and to connect with the artist that you love.
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Maybe they can just put it in a tab in the iOS music app.
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Yeah, and when they're ready to talk to you, they can just ping you and then you'll know
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that they want to speak to you and tell you about their new releases.
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So the only social feature that Apple ever got right is the current one in Apple Music
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and that's it.
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That's very good.
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I saw something that happened to me a couple of days ago. Federico sent me a message and
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he's like "there's this band that I think you would like, they're called Mount Joy"
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and I was like "okay" and I saw it and I didn't get to it at that time. I opened Apple Music
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an hour later and it was right there because and it had your little face on it.
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And I was like oh yeah that's that album that Federico told me and then I started playing it
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on my home pod. Like that is a great feature, works very well, I like it a lot, it's good.
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Unless your friends have terrible music tastes then it's not so good.
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Yeah, anyway, iTunes LP I think, I still think there's potential for reaching out to people who
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want to support a favorite artists even on a streaming platform in different ways other
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than just give us money and you listen to music. Like I would love to have notes, I
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would love to have interviews, I would love to have extra content and I want to pay for
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it. Or I would love to have, and this is something that I think Beats Music experimented with,
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to be able to buy tickets for concerts or buy merchandising. I think it's also something
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Spotify is playing with. If you go on an artist page in Spotify, you can see links to buy
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merchandise on the artist's website. And I, you know, if you consider Apple as this huge
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install base and they have Apple Pay, why don't you do something like that? And make
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it, make it easy for people to support their favorite artists and go to see live music
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and, you know, retaining people within Apple Music because it's a virtual cycle that I
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think would be beneficial to everybody. But, you know, iTunes LP is not that and it's going
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away so better keep all the downloads of your favorite iTunes LP contents. I think John
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on MacStory is actually linked to a Wikipedia entry of all the iTunes LP albums that you
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can buy on iTunes because of course somebody made that list. It's probably the intern at
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the Grateful Dead one that they kept showing off on stage. I don't know why I remember
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that so fondly, but I know that I would have bought one because that was in that stage.
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Our thanks to Hover for their support of this show. So Stephen, you wrote a little article on
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your web blog 512pixels.net where you basically told the world that the home
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pod is being rotated away from the kitchen because your family rebelled
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against you? That's pretty much what happened. So I think I spoke on
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the show that to review anything I really like I don't I need to
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actually like use it and spend time with it. I'm not very good at like the like
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fast like 48-hour impressions type things and so for me for the home pod
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that meant unplug the echo and put the home pod where it sat in the kitchen. So
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I did that after you know the first couple days I had it. It's been there
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ever since. I unplugged the echo and put it in the hall closet which led to a lot
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of questions about where the lady inside the echo had gone from our three-year-
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old. He was very worried something bad happened to her which is something to
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think about as a parent but that's not really the point today. So the home pod has
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been there for three weeks and this weekend kind of all in the kitchen and someone asks
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the HomePod something and it just botches it.
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I forget what it was.
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Some like simple request and Siri just fell down.
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And just kind of all of a sudden the family is sharing with me that they really want the
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Echo back in the kitchen.
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And so I, you know, I didn't want a rebellion so I put the Echo back and now the HomePod
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is sitting out here in the studio on the other desk just kind of sitting there looking sad
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I have a question for you as it relates to your children's use of these devices.
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Do you think that there could be a point that like they grew an attachment to the Echo because
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it was the first one like it was a novelty initially and now it's like that's the thing
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so something different with a different voice isn't the same thing?
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- Yeah, I think so.
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And Snell had said something silly
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about how his kids sometimes,
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or maybe it was John Sirkusa, someone,
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said their kids used the wrong name.
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Like for my kids--
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- Yeah, I think it was Sirkusa on ATP.
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He was saying that they say the Google phrase to the HomePod.
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- Right, because that wake phrase is just like
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the word that you start to,
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when you wanna do computer stuff with your voice.
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Like that's just the word you start with.
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And so yeah, that's definitely part of it.
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- I do it too.
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Like I say like, Alexa, when I want to trigger the HomePod,
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like I do it.
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So it is a thing because in my mind,
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a voice command now is just started with that word.
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It's not necessarily that I'm thinking about
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what device I'm talking to.
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It's just like when I want the lights to go on,
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there is a sentence that includes that.
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So like it's the whole sentence includes the Echo Wake word
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as well as the command.
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- Yeah, so I think that's definitely a factor in our case.
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But really like the use cases,
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and I've talked about this before,
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we use the Echo for music listening,
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checking the weather and news,
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setting multiple timers,
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and controlling like smart home stuff.
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And all my smart home stuff works the same
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with HomeKit or with the Echo.
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And the HomePod is like way better for music listening
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when Siri parses what you want correctly,
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but all the rest of it, the Echo is better.
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The Echo has this really cool flash briefing thing,
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which by the way, it's a little plug,
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we have a new show on Relay called Subnet,
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which you can plug into your flash briefing
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on the Amazon Echo service.
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And so for me, I ask Amazon, what's the news?
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It reads NPR, it plays NPR, it plays Subnet,
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which is my own voice in my own kitchen,
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which is kind of funny, and then plays the weather.
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- And this is also on Google Home too.
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- Yes, it is on Google Home.
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You can do all of that stuff with the HomePod,
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but you have to do them one at a time.
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Like, just some of these features that have evolved
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over time with the Echo, the HomePod just doesn't have.
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And unfortunately, some of that stuff
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is exactly what we use the Echo a lot for.
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And so, for us, the sound quality,
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which is way better than the Echo,
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wasn't enough to offset, okay,
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where all these other voice assistant type things
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we want to do, the Echo does better,
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it fits our needs better as a family.
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And so, I don't want two of these things in my kitchen,
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which is what a bunch of people said.
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Like, we'll just have both.
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I was like, well, that's not really an answer for us
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in our kitchen, so we're gonna have one,
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and we're gonna have one that music's okay, it's fine,
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and it does the other voices and stuff better
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than Siri does at this point.
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- What about it getting better, though?
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Like, this is a thing that everyone is kind of
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hanging their hat on right now, and it's true, right?
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that Siri can just get better.
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And if Siri gets better, then you
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have better hardware and competent voice assistants.
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Well, there is-- I mean, people have quoted this,
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but I think it was really well said by Marco
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that you're buying something for what it can do today.
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Don't buy it on the promise of features tomorrow.
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That's really good advice as far as buying consumer electronics.
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But backing up a little bit, the feedback of Siri
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will get better soon, I think is extremely short sighted for a couple of reasons. One,
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Siri has been less than great on Apple's most important product for years. The iPhone like
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Apple is the iPhone company if you look at their bottom line, and series an important
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part of the iPhone, and they haven't made real progression on it on the iPhone in a
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while and there you know, I'm not saying they haven't done anything. They've made the voice
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they add new domains, it is improving.
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But it's not improving as rapidly as it needs to
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to catch up with the Echo.
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And so, I don't understand how what is surely
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a low volume product sold just to Apple Music customers
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is enough for Apple to completely change
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their internal structure or fix whatever's broken
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in the Siri team, whatever has made Siri slow to improve.
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I don't think the HomePod is the magic bullet to fix that within Apple. I just don't see it.
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Because if they were if they really thought Siri needed improving and
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it's on the most important product your company makes like the the side button on
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the iPhone 10 like is that it's like the Siri button and it also does some other stuff and
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if that wasn't enough to like get Siri get like the Siri train on the right track
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Then I don't think the home pod is nearly powerful enough as a lever to make that happen. Can I provide a counterpoint?
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Sure, so, you know a lot of this stuff. I would assume a lot of things that get prioritized because
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Apple is a company made of humans
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They become prioritized when somebody important enough up the food chain
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Realizes a problem. So what you're saying is my blog post will change this with no, I'm not
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Unfortunately, I'm not talking about your blog post even though I'm sure it's been widely read and circulated because you're an influencer
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my theory would be that like
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High enough executives in Apple are probably not using Siri on their phone that often
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Because I think that a lot of people that are pretty confident in technology
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Tend not to use Siri on their phone like as much as they would use it in a product like the home pod
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Because the home pods only interaction is via Siri
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So like I would assume now that if Siri is deemed to have problems inside of Apple
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They are becoming more apparent now that more employees and engineers and executives will be using the home pod as a
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product and realizing some of the shortcomings firsthand, so whilst I agree that like
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Logically, it doesn't make sense because Siri has been a part of basically every product that Apple shipped for the last few years
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Why hasn't it gotten better?
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I guess my point would be that maybe because it's not being used that much, so it kind
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of gets swept under the rug.
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But now that they have a device where Siri is the interface, it might prompt them to
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prioritize things a little bit differently because it's right in their face when they
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try and use the product and get less than, not less than stellar results, but just not
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the results that they would want all the time.
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Yeah, no, I think that's a really good counterpoint.
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I don't know how I feel about like Apple fixes things when the boss notices like that's a I'm just gonna side
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I'm just gonna put that off to the side for now. That's a really interesting competition. We should have one day
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I hope they do fix it
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Like I think some people took what I wrote or how I responded on Twitter to be well
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He doesn't want it to improve and that's not true
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Like I want Apple to be as good at this as Google and Amazon are Apple should be as good as their competitors are in
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this market. This is a really important market and I hope that they can they can do it. I
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just think that even if what you said is true and I think it probably is that that's not
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going to be overnight. Like the people in my email saying oh just wait to WWDC and Apple
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is going to have this massive overhaul. I just don't see it moving that quickly because
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we have years and years of history showing that that it's not. And take something like
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I'm comparing apples to oranges, but like the the Mac Pro conversation, right?
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Like it takes time for these decisions to be made and it takes even longer for the work to be done.
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Like I'm sure none of the three of us are anywhere near smart enough to work on this stuff.
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I can't imagine the engineering that goes into it, but I hope that they do it.
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Now if we're, you know, in June we're recording our post-WDC show and 2018 is the year of
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Siri and Siri's like rapidly better, I don't think that means I was wrong.
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I think it means that this has been going on.
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That's selective.
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Hear me out.
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I don't think they can be as good as Amazon in the next three months.
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Like that's just not possible.
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If we are going to get WWDC or sometime in the fall and the HomePod is all of a sudden
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way better, then that's awesome.
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It means Apple has noticed this, but I think it means that it's been going on in the background
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a little bit.
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And then why ship the HomePod late if Siri's still back?
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There's lots of questions in this.
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I think the big picture is today at least, it struggles.
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It struggles with some really basic things.
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But it's not a nightmare.
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Like Siri on the HomePod is not awful.
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It's just frustrating.
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And your mileage will vary.
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I know y'all have them and like them.
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I have one and like it.
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I'm keeping it.
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I'm gonna have it out here in my office.
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But for our needs as a family, like as a kitchen thing,
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it just, it just, I just wanted the right fit right now.
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But I am keeping it because I do hope Apple fixes it.
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And I think that they can and I think that they will.
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just a matter of how long it's going to take.
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Federico, there's something fascinating that I've noticed in the replies too, Steven. The
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idea of, there's a common thread of folks on Twitter and on podcasts or websites saying
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I'm sure Apple knows and they're working on this. And this is a fascinating social mechanic
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to me. I've been thinking about why do people think this way? Why sort of almost sort of
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analyzing the situation like why do some folks struggle to reconcile being able to like something
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but also see the flaws and the mistakes in the product or in a story in whatever it is.
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there's a group of like-minded individuals who they need to tell you that they are sure
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that Apple knows. And I've been thinking about this, why is this such a common piece of feedback
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that we get? Because whenever I point out something that is not up to my standards on iOS,
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for example, I get this reply and Steven got this reply and Myke gets this reply. And the
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conclusion that I've come to is that for some people, hope is sort of like a powerful sedative
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in the sense that they need to know. And so they say, I'm sure that Apple knows and it's
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working on this. And I wonder why that is. Why do you need that kind of conviction that,
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know, Apple knows they're working on this, they got this. It's interesting to me because
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it's sort of when you're having this kind of discussions on Twitter, it can be fascinating
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to have this argument to get into these arguments with folks who have more of a more of an inclination
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to you know, to just forgive every single mistake that Apple, that Apple does, and they
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do make mistakes, you know, because they're not perfect. They're not, you know, they're
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They're not gods.
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They're just a really good company, I think.
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But there's some stuff that needs to get better.
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But that kind of reply, it sort of
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defeats an entire conversation.
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Because if you're sure that Apple knows,
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where do we go from here?
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And this is something that I wanted to bring up
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a while back on the show.
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I think it's always more productive when
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we get into these arguments.
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To offer some kind of solution, to offer some kind of,
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like, how can this get better instead of saying, I'm sure it will get better
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because that's just useless.
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You know, for one, it's a fake hope because you have this hope.
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You don't know for sure.
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Because it seems logical.
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But this isn't necessarily a logic situation.
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You can't just assume.
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Exactly. It feels like it should get better.
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So it will. That's not how these things work.
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Yes. Yes. And that's that's that's the fatal flaw.
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And yeah, I've seen the replies to Steven.
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I've been sort of following, you know, without getting into it.
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I think you can like the HomePod like I do, like Myke does, I think.
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I mean, I have two of them.
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You like it more than most.
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January, you like it more than most people do.
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I like it twice than you, Myke does.
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I think maybe a little bit more than that,
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because you also got rid of all of your echoes.
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So which does make me wonder, actually, I want to know
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right? From you, what you think about the quality of Siri. Because you are in this
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way more than most people that have this device because everybody else that I
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know that has got a HomePod also has an Echo which they have kept plugged in and
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they are probably continuing to give the majority of their like commands to
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during their day. But you got rid of everything and switched over to the HomePod.
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pod. Do you agree with the criticisms about the quality of Siri right now?
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Well, yeah, for sure I do. I tried the other day, like I wanted to add something to my
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Grocery List because we've been testing any list and it didn't work because the HomePod
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still thinks that I don't have any of these SiriKit apps installed on my devices. And also,
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like, there's a... I noticed that because of the current placement of the HomePod,
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it's too close to my TV, and sometimes it does not understand what I'm asking, or it
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thinks that I haven't stopped talking, where instead it's the TV that keeps talking, but
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my request is over. So we're probably going to switch the placement to be more distant
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from the TV. And yes, I mean, it doesn't take a genius to understand serious problems. Also,
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You can understand that those problems exist and still like it.
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Because I would say that in my experience, I never did the news briefings myself.
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Because I'm not interested in US political news more than I already see them in the Italian
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Anyway, I listen to podcasts and stations are fine.
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I listen to music and music requests have been fine for me.
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And the other day I asked about like a unit conversion and it worked. I've noticed that
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Sylvia is starting to, I'm talking quietly because I'm bragging, I don't want her to
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listen that I'm bragging about this, but she's starting to ask questions to Siri, which is
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nice because she's sort of, she's accepting her, which is cool.
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Just that new roommate. Yeah, well, isn't it though? And in two rooms, so... So, I think...
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She has accepted another person into our relationship.
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So it's going well, but also I understand the problems and that's fine. I want to say
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I'm sure that we'll get better. I'm not sure. I hope that we'll get better, but the, I think
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in spite of the problems, I'm still able to enjoy it. And if I ever come to the point
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where Siri is so bad, I cannot even set timers or play. Also, I should say I don't set multiple
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timers so that's not a problem for me but it is for other people and I accept that and
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I don't respond with "I'm sure it will get better because that's just useless" anyway
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I like it I still like it and we're starting to like it as a family which is nice so yeah
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I have one last thing on this it's just this is a purely like just a problem in my house
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where Adina will say to me a lot "hey sir" right it's just like a joke that we've had
00:38:26
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for a while, she'd just call me sir. But like, now, very frequently, she asks me something
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and someone in the room goes "hmm?" which is what the HomePod does. It goes "hmm."
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If it hears the trigger phrase but you don't give it a command, like because she might
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just say it to get my attention, it just goes "hmm" in its little British accent. So that's
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a little thing that keeps happening in my home, which I'm sure is a problem for anybody
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whose name is Alex or something, right?
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That is an issue for you because you wouldn't change the wake word because your name is
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not the exact name, but every now and then it's going to get confused.
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So I find it to be funny.
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So that is an interesting point because on the Echo you can change the wake word and
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Apple doesn't offer that.
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I saw some people tweeting today that maybe it would be nice if you could change it per
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You could call the HomePod "Hey HomePod" and you call your phone the regular phrase,
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instance because there is this issue and I'm sure y'all have seen it where for me
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at least it's always my Apple watch will catch the command instead of the HomePod
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like if I raise my wrist like if I'm doing something and I'm like there's this
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move I can do and it confuses Siri which is hilarious and maybe it'd be nice to
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have some customization at some point so you could avoid that sort of thing.
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Yeah I would honestly much prefer to say hey HomePod like for this one device it
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it just makes sense to me.
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I don't know why, but like that in my mind
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is just more of like a thing
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because I'm specifically asking that device
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because it's not my usual system of voice control.
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Last thing, I wanna just talk about this,
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the HomePod and like the little movie video thing
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made by Spike Jonsie.
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It features FK twigs with music from Anderson Paak.
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You have to watch this video
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if you have not yet watched this video.
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It might be my favorite Apple ad of all time.
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It is fricking unbelievable.
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It is so good.
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I love the metaphors of it.
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Like everything is expanding in the house
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as she's listening to the music.
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Like I like that, right?
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Like the HomePod adds all this additional dimension.
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Like I love this video so much.
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It is wonderful.
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If you haven't seen it, it's like four minutes long
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and the music's really good.
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The dance is really good.
00:40:48
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like, and but just the visuals that it creates are really cool and feels like, I mean, like
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as even the Apple website is using the kind of the colored strand visuals with the HomePod
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now, I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes the template for future ads for the HomePod,
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like the silhouettes became for the iPod. Like, it feels like a really strong visual
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metaphor that I like a lot and it's very very unique so I really love this ad I
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really really love this ad it's it's a really nice piece of filmmaking so if
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So a couple of weeks ago our friend Marco wrote a, I think what the kids call a blog
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post. I'm not familiar with this.
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A blog. He wrote a blog. That's what he did.
00:44:27
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It's like a tweet storm but all on one page.
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It's a very confusing medium.
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It's like a pod but written down.
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Yes, it's a written pod.
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It's a pod storm in text.
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So in this pod storm, Marco draws some pretty harsh parallels between WatchKit apps and
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And the sweet solution, if you remember this, before the iPhone had apps, Apple, Steve Jobs
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said, "Hey, you've got Safari, just make web apps."
00:45:09
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And they did this thing where you can still do it in iOS.
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You can put a shortcut on your home screen to go to a website.
00:45:14
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They called it a "sweet solution" and some other people had other names for it, which
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I can't say on the air.
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Wasn't super...
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A sandwich of something that you shouldn't put into a sandwich.
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not ballooning I don't know and I think he's right um so basically he builds
00:45:33
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this case of you know these apps especially in the beginning watch kit
00:45:38
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apps were really like watch kit wasn't really an app framework you were
00:45:41
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basically just sending data from the phone to the watch and over time it's
00:45:45
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evolved a little bit where you can have logic running on the watch now and there
00:45:49
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are some good examples of watch apps but I think it's safe to say that most of
00:45:54
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them are pretty limited and there's a lot of stuff that the watch just can't do or can
00:46:01
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do if you're Apple but that's not in the frameworks that third party developers can use and basically
00:46:07
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his point is WatchKit only lets developers create baby apps.
00:46:13
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They're not sort of these full featured like rich apps we've gotten so used to on iOS over
00:46:17
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the years, that comparatively watch apps are very simple, very buggy, very limited.
00:46:23
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And they got me thinking, and I want to see what we all use on our watches, app-wise,
00:46:31
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and what we think about the watch as an app platform and what Apple should do to maybe
00:46:38
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evolve it in the future.
00:46:40
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I don't use a lot of watch apps.
00:46:44
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I love my Apple Watch, but like I was going through this list and seriously the only two
00:46:50
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third-party apps that I use on a regular basis are Shazam, which is ironic because it's
00:46:55
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technically kind of owned by Apple, and Workouts++ by Underscore. These are the two apps that I use
00:47:04
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like every day I would say. There's also the Apple Breathe app, which is another third-party
00:47:10
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app but it's a native watch app that I use and sometimes I check the weather in Carrot
00:47:17
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and I check things off in things but I really don't do that often. I mostly use my... I've
00:47:26
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become one of those people who say I use my watch for notifications and workouts. I mean
00:47:31
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the Apple watch is essential for me now for fitness and all that kind of stuff but I never
00:47:38
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go to the home screen, I keep very basic complications. I don't switch watch faces. In fact, I remove
00:47:46
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all the other watch faces because I don't want to switch them accidentally. I only keep
00:47:50
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one alternative workout-based watch face and that's it.
00:47:54
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Oh man, you've got to have a kaleidoscope face just for the funsies.
00:47:58
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No, I don't. I'm not fun in that way. I stick to very basic stuff. So yeah, it's
00:48:08
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not an app platform for me, which is a shame, but also I think it should be an app platform.
00:48:14
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I don't think my usage of the watch justifies the state that it is right now. I would love to use
00:48:25
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more apps, but it's just inconvenient and all the other apps that I've tried are slow or they just
00:48:32
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haven't been really thought for the watch form factor and I would love to have like
00:48:38
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a native overcast but that's not possible. I would love to have like a native home kit
00:48:43
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app that can do all kinds of stuff in the background but that's also not possible I
00:48:48
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think. I would love to have more apps that make sense for the watch but developers can
00:48:53
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make them and so the fact that I use my Apple Watch primarily for fitness and notifications
00:49:00
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means that's all I can do realistically right now but I would love to do more.
00:49:06
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I think I use more watch apps than most people do. I don't specifically know why
00:49:14
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but I use, I mean I use a bunch of the built-in ones right so I use mail and
00:49:19
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the timer app, the home app, the nail playing app, these are all in my dock by
00:49:24
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the way all of the apps that I use are in my dock, messages and then I use a
00:49:28
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a bunch of third-party apps so I use Dew, Workouts++, JustPressRecord, Bear,
00:49:33
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Fantastic Howl and Carrot Weather and they are all used very frequently like I
00:49:38
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will use each of these applications multiple times a week some of them
00:49:42
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multiple times a day and I would like a lot of them to be better but I've mostly
00:49:49
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accepted a lot of the frustrations that come with using these applications now
00:49:55
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But I would love it if I could have more like I would like to have like an
00:50:02
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overcast app. I would like to have a due app that didn't get really upset when it
00:50:08
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was trying to be done when the phone is not attached to it because it's trying
00:50:11
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to do the processing somehow like the processing of the voice
00:50:17
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recognition stuff is not that good on LTE and I don't know what it is that's
00:50:22
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happening, I don't know what the difference is, whether it's trying to do more of it
00:50:25
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in the cloud or whatever, I don't know.
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But yeah, I think that I use these applications more than most people do, but, and I'm,
00:50:34
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you know, it's not amazing, I don't get frustrated about it specifically, I just
00:50:40
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get frustrated when things don't work, but a lot of the time, they do work.
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Yeah, I think I'm probably closer to Federico on this scale.
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I was looking through my watch and really the only third party apps I use on any sort
00:50:52
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of regular basis are Carrot Weather, do Strava to start recording bike rides, so that's
00:51:00
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not every day but at least once a week, and then Todoist just to kind of check on things,
00:51:05
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check things off.
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None of those apps I'm doing really any entry into.
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It's mostly like status and checking things off and just kind of glancing in on things.
00:51:17
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Most of these are really glorified notifications, or maybe interactive notifications as opposed
00:51:22
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to a full, rich system.
00:51:25
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Really Carrot Weather, which I think we all three mentioned and use, I think is probably
00:51:29
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by far the best watch OS app that I've got installed.
00:51:33
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But even it feels limited.
00:51:35
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Even on the Series 3, it can be a little sluggish at times, and it feels very basic.
00:51:41
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Like I said, I think it's best in class.
00:51:43
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But I think it really shows that even if you really work really hard on a really good developer,
00:51:48
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it's still going to have some limitations to it.
00:51:52
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And when I read Marco's thing, he wrote it like a week and a half ago now, I found myself
00:51:57
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in agreement and I still agree with what he said.
00:52:00
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And I was like, "Yeah, Apple should fix it."
00:52:03
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I think some other people said, "Just get rid of apps and just do notifications and
00:52:07
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And I don't know what the answer is.
00:52:08
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I don't think getting rid of apps is the answer.
00:52:10
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I think Apple is well within their,
00:52:13
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you know what I'm talking about earlier,
00:52:15
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they have the ability to improve this.
00:52:16
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I think in the beginning it was very hardware constrained.
00:52:20
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That original watch was very slow.
00:52:23
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The Series 3 is a world apart as far as performance.
00:52:27
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And so I'm hoping that as this hardware evolves
00:52:30
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that the software catches up.
00:52:31
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Because I don't think the watch is ever going to be
00:52:35
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what Kevin Lynch initially demoed in that first keynote
00:52:38
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of I'm doing everything that I used to do on my phone
00:52:40
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my watch. A, I don't think anybody really wants that, and B, I just don't think it's
00:52:45
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super within the realm of reality that people are going to stop carrying their phone. Even
00:52:50
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with an LTE watch, I still carry my phone everywhere. But clearly they could improve
00:52:56
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it, and I think that for the two or three or five apps that most people have and use
00:53:04
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on a regular basis, that should be better than it is. My guess is this will continue
00:53:09
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to improve, but other stuff is just going to take some time.
00:53:14
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As someone who is not a developer, I don't know what the actual limitations are. I don't
00:53:18
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know what is causing what. I don't know what an application could do if it could use the
00:53:23
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frameworks that Apple uses, right? Because that seems to be the problem, is that Apple's
00:53:27
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apps are better because they're not using WatchKit. They're using some frameworks that
00:53:32
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Apple apps use, right? So they're able to take advantage of things differently. So my
00:53:37
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My feeling is if developers feel like they need a better system to make their apps better,
00:53:43
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then yeah I want them to have it and that would be great.
00:53:46
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But I don't think that getting rid of applications completely is a good idea.
00:53:50
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I actually think it's a bad idea because I use applications on my watch every day.
00:53:57
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Just because some people don't use them or some people don't use the watches at all,
00:54:01
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I don't think that means they should completely can it.
00:54:03
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Should they make it better?
00:54:04
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Yes definitely.
00:54:05
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But the idea of the Apple Watch just being a thing that you can just get information
00:54:10
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from, I think over time I've started to move away from that a little bit because of the
00:54:15
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Like the LTE watch enables me to treat my watch like it's a little computer sometimes.
00:54:21
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Like when I'm at the gym or whatever, like I actually don't have my phone with me and
00:54:26
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I can do a lot of things on my watch and I want that stuff to get better because I do
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see a potential for this watch to be like a mini computer that just does what I need it to do
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without having to have a thing where I can check on my feeds, right? But like I can check an email
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if I need to, I can send a text if I want to, I can check the weather, I can get this like basic
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information from it, but it just giving me information isn't necessarily what I want.
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Sometimes I want to be able to act on the thing too and I don't think that getting rid of all of
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that stuff is a good idea. I think it's a bad idea and I actually think that it would be a detriment
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to the watch overall. I would love to see this stuff get better because I would like to see more
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complex and more full featured applications but I don't think that scrapping it is a good idea.
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I think it's a bad idea and I actually do believe that Apple... I am more... I actually believe more
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that they're more likely to improve watchOS than they are to improve Siri at a fast rate.
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It's because Siri's been around for so long right at this point. Yeah and Apple's really good at
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frameworks and like system software and API stuff and Siri,
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assumedly, is a very different problem set than like
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building tools for developers to build on top of an OS. That's Apple's bread and butter.
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Especially when like a lot of the tools already exist but they're just being
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used internally
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Well, it feels easier to like fix up some of that stuff to release
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to developers than it would be to like fix a problem that they seem to have not
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been able to completely fix
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For the last six years or something. So yeah
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I really hope that there is more that will be shown in the future on watchOS
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Like I really hope that it's gonna continue because like year over year watch OS has gotten so much better
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maybe the the things that they're opening up for
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Developers hasn't been as strong
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but it would make me very sad if
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Apps went away completely. I think that that is a bad move
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So I you mentioned the LTE watch and I wanted to say that it's been well like
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more than five months and I think it's just ridiculous that we still have no news as to and
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If ever the the Apple watch with LTE will become available in more countries
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So I'm pretty happy with my decision to buy a series 3
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standard Wi-Fi watch a few months ago because otherwise I would still be waiting and
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I really like my Series 3 watch. It's faster, the battery lasts forever, but I
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would love to have the LTE version and I think it's super strange that we have no confirmation by Apple whatsoever.
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So that's too bad.
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Whilst we're on this train, like Apple Pay Cash, all that kind of stuff, like
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These are like, should be really important things that seem to be very slowly if at all
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moving out and I really want to see stuff like that start to expand a little bit more.
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I don't know what's going on recently but like Apple seem to be not being as good as
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they have been in the past about international rollouts and expansions for new things.
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So I would like to see that.
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There's a whole page I think on the Apple website that lists all of the features by
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country and someone a while back they asked me to compile like a full article about all
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the regional differences of iOS features which I think is a super fascinating story that
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I just haven't had the time to get to.
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But even if you consider stuff like indoor mapping or lane guidance in Apple Maps, those
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features are not available for me at all.
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So they're literally impossible to test unless, I mean, I can look up a mall or an airport
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in the US maps, I will need to go for a driving session in the UK to test lane guidance, which
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is unfeasible, to say the least. You also drive on the wrong side, so that's also...
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So there's rumors, there's a lot of rumors going on right now.
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They're like kind of small round-uppy product type things which is kind of leading to two
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trains of thought.
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Are we going to see some kind of probably pretty chill Apple event maybe at the campus
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sometime within the next month or two or are we going to get a bunch of press releases?
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So there are a few different selections of products, some new rumors, some old rumors,
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but let's run through some of the things that could find their way into a potential event.
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So the first off is new iPads.
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So we spoke a couple of weeks ago about these cheaper iPads, so kind of like a refresh to
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the current iPad situation that is existing right now, like the 329 one.
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So that looks like it would make its way in, but kind of nothing else, right?
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There's not going to be a new iPad Pro in March.
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In fact, there were rumors today kind of trying to detail what the new iPads could look like
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later on this year.
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Federico, what are these features? What are we looking like to get from the iPad Pro line
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later on this year?
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So it looks like we're gonna get the iPads with Face ID and therefore there will be some
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kind of bezel, not bezel free, but you know, sort of edge to edge design like on the iPhone
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I suppose, and no home button, again just like the iPhone X, and there will be both
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again a 10.5 inch and a 12.9 inch iPad Pro models, and the latest rumors from today,
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they say that Apple will make an announcement at WWDC again, so just like last year, and
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maybe some kind of update to the Apple Pencil, although it's not clear what kind of feature
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will get on the new Apple Pencil. And no, based on this report from Rosenblatt Securities
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shared today.
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Who is that person?
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It's called Rosenblatt Securities. The analyst's name is Jun Zhang. And yeah, no details as
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to whether there also will be a smart keyboard or a new smart cover. Just, you know, iPad
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Pro with Face ID. So that's pretty cool, but I don't think it's ready for March.
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Yeah, that... I mean, I would still be surprised if that is in June even. Like, I would be
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really happy to get more new hardware, but that would be a surprise to me. But it would
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make me feel a lot better about no new software features. Get a new fancy iPad. Yay! Sure,
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okay. Yes. So I guess that device would probably get a little bit physically smaller, maybe?
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that would be nice. Maybe? I don't know, I mean the bezels are already really thin on the 10 inch.
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On the 12.9 that would be especially welcome because the bezels are still huge. Yeah. So
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so does this this room has both both devices? That would be cool. I mean I would really like that 12.9
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with either... I wonder if it would be a bigger screen, like it would actually be bigger than 12.9
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or if change the form factor, I thought about the physical form factor.
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And I think personally, I would prefer keep this form factor the same
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and give me an even bigger screen.
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But what they're probably going to do is is just bring the device
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in kind of like squeeze it in.
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I think so. I don't see that would be also pretty cool.
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I'd like that to.
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What else do we have on this rumor list?
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What about the iPhone?
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I see, too. I think we talked about this a while back.
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the idea of Apple doing a follow up to this phone, right?
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I think it's been popular enough that they'll do it, but it's kind of there's
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there are a lot of conflicting thoughts about what this device will get.
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So there were like a lot of different rumors from different analyst firms.
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And I think a lot of this stuff is just speculation, but it's informed speculation.
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Some people are saying there will be significant changes
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and some people are saying there won't be significant changes.
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I think personally, I lean towards the not significant change area.
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I think it would be really nice to see a small version, like a really small version of an
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iPhone X, right?
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Like it has all the iPhone X guts in it and Face ID and stuff like that, but I don't see
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I think kind of just like maybe a new processor and some other little bumps here and there,
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but I don't foresee a super fancy future for the iPhone SE2 at least this year.
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I don't know why would Apple make a mini iPhone X where the iPhone X is still the latest version.
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I mean when they did the iPhone SE, the iPhone 5 design was already passed, I think.
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So I don't think that that will happen.
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And a huge part of the SE is the price.
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It starts at like $349 in the US and to keep that price down, the easiest way to do that
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I would think would be to upgrade the internals but leave the case and the machining and everything
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else alone. If they invest in it to make it a tiny iPhone 10, just knowing other things
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about Apple, I just don't know how they do that and then keep the price where it is.
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Those two things feel like they're in big conflict to me.
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What about this MacBook Air rumor that we're going to get a cheaper model? Is this interesting?
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I think it is.
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You know, the MacBook Air assumedly exists to hit a price point.
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It starts at $999.
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The 12-inch MacBook is $1299, so there's a bit of a gap there.
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And my feeling is, just from talking to people and talking to listeners and readers, my guess
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is the MacBook Air still sells really well.
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Yes, the CPU in it is pretty old at this point,
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but I think people looking to spend a grand
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or especially less on a notebook,
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like I don't know if that's the biggest priority to them,
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to have the newest CPU.
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So this rumor is weird 'cause it just says a price drop.
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People have attached all their hopes and dreams
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for the MacBook Air to this rumor.
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I don't think it's gonna get a Retina display.
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I don't think it's gonna get Thunderbolt 3 probably
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unless it's just, if they upgrade the CPU
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then maybe that comes along with it.
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But I think at the very least we could see an 899
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or even a 799 according to a rumor today, MacBook Air.
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And I think a 799 MacBook Air,
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even if it doesn't get any CPU increase,
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I still think it would sell really well
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because it's big for students,
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It's big for people who just need a Mac
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and don't have the budget for something nicer.
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And for people who buy them in bulk,
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a lot of MacBook Airs still get passed out
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within businesses as part of large deployments.
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And so a 7.99 retail price, if you're education
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or buying in bulk is maybe 7.49 or 6.99,
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that is really interesting to me.
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That would be by far the cheapest notebook
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Apple's ever sold, and I think it would continue
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to sell well at that price.
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So maybe this is March, maybe it's later, maybe there's a CPU update, but my gut says
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it's more or less the same machine it is now, but noticeably cheaper.
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And I think even at $899, I think that's a lower enough price that I think more people
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would look at it, maybe switching to the Mac for the first time.
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The Mac Mini, to bring up Apple's other old machine, when it was announced, it was really
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cheap and part of that that pitch was hey if you want to switch to the Mac
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this is the easiest way to do it because it's super cheap and you just plug all
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your stuff into it well people don't use desktops anymore these notebooks and
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Apple doesn't really have a switcher notebook anymore I think the MacBook was
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supposed to be that but until they can bring the price down it's not and you
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know something $799 $899 somewhere in there competes with a lot of you know
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mid-range PC notebooks I think it'd be interesting I hope they do it so I have
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a question for you right because I don't know this I know that like the some of
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the older iPads and some of the older iPhones sticking around in the iOS line
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there were like a lot of complaints that those devices were holding back iOS and
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it was like making it difficult for developers because they had to keep
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targeting for these slow under the phone like the i-5 processor hung around
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forever. Is this the same on the Mac? Like is this the same kind of problem? I don't
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I don't think it is at this point. The system requirements for Mac OS High Sierra
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go back all the way to like some 2009 machines and the rest of it
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kind of like 2010. So you're talking about machines that are seven years old
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can still run High Sierra. They might not run it great. I've run High Sierra on
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some of these older machines, and honestly if you put an SSD in them, it's more or less
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So I don't think they're at that point quite yet, because the MacBook Air that is for sale
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today, if you walk in Apple Store right now and buying a MacBook Air, it's really basically
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And so I think they're well within that sort of margin of acceptable performance.
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So I don't really worry about that with the MacBook Air at this point.
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So if we were going to look at, so we got these, right? Refreshing the iPad, refreshing
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the iPhone SE2, a price drop in the MacBook Air, and if there was going to be an event
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or like a big kind of PR thing, it would probably also include AirPower and some refreshed watch
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bands and cases. This isn't an event, is it? Like this doesn't feel like an event. I can't
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imagine somebody getting on stage for this selection of things.
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No, I mean you still need the big product. If you're making an event, especially Apple
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is under so much scrutiny from the entire industry, you cannot make an event to announce
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a cheaper MacBook Air and a wireless charging mat and a bunch of bands for your watch and
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iPhone SE. It just feels like...
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Like these will all be welcome products but they are press release products.
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It feels, yeah, it would be like a press release event, like a bunch of minor products all
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clustered together with people getting on stage to repeat their specs and prices. Like
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it would be a boring event, unless there's a surprise of some kind, but I don't think
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we've seen any mentions of surprises coming.
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The only thing that I think could slot in here, but there are no rumors of it and it's
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not expected would be a new Apple watch. Right? Like I feel like if there was a new version of the
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Apple watch, you could maybe make that the headliner and then do this other stuff. But I don't think
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that we're due for that. No, like I don't think that that's going to come. But like that, that
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feels like it's something that could fit in here, which is outside of the usual kind of flow of the
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events. But I don't think we're ready for that even. No, because that was refreshed in September.
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So, exactly.
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Yeah, I want to buy a bunch of
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AirPower mats when they come out
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because I'm really looking forward
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to that. And also, I suppose the
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updated AirPods with
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the case, because I just assume that
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Apple is launching the AirPower mat
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and the new AirPod
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case together.
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So, yeah, I think that that won't
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just be the case. Like, I think it
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will be that those rumored refreshed
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AirPods. Like, I think it would be
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really weird for them to just
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release the case. I know that they
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will release the case as a separate
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that you can buy for your existing ones, which is fine. But like at this point, I feel like
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they could probably, they probably have some Any AirPods update nearly ready and who even
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knows where AirPower is, right? So it's like they may as well just wait and do those two
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things together. So there's one thing that I wanted to talk about. I'm going to start,
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this is the point where in our notes we have something that says Federico's surprise story,
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which the guys have no idea what I'm talking about and there are no notes.
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Federica really likes to do this. He really likes to tell us like three days before the
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show "I have a secret surprise story for you" and then that's it.
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Because I feel like the surprise brings out the interesting questions in you Myke because
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you really react positively to the surprise and it makes for a good show. So that's why
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So, I'm gonna start from the main problem that happened. Now, I don't want you to
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be concerned, but I lost everything on my Synology.
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What? Okay, hang on a second. Hang on a second. We need to go back a little bit to last weekend,
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I think, here, from my perspective of Federico sending us a message that said, "I lost
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the drive on my Synology, but like, as you said, thank God for RAID 1 or something, you
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were super proud of something you set up, so I'm expecting that that is how this story
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So, yes, a couple of weeks ago, in the middle of the night, Sylvia and I, we start hearing
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this loud beep sound, and it just wouldn't stop. It's like, what is going on here? All
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all our devices were set to silent, and the sound was coming from the living room, so
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I go to the living room and I look around and I realize the beep is coming from the
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Synology, which is this home server that we were using to store personal backups and our
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TV show episodes and movies. And so I log into the Synology web interface, and it says
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that one of the drives had failed. And it was like 1am, I didn't want to look into it.
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I was like, I'm just going to turn the beep sound off and think about this tomorrow.
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Yeah, I mean, you can't do that. That's wild.
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I don't want to deal with file system issues in the middle of that.
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Speak for yourself.
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Yeah, I mean…
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I live for that.
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- That's what you like to do.
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So what I'm about to share is gonna drive some folks,
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especially those who like to debug file system problems,
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really upset because my course of action
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has been really different
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from what those people might expect.
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So the following day I log into the Synology
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and everything is super slow for some reason.
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and it says volume one is degraded.
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It's like, what does it even mean?
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First of all, what is volume one?
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That was my question.
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It's like, what does it mean that it's degraded?
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This complex terminology, which I really don't like.
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And everything starts being super slow
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to the point where I cannot even open the system preferences
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to change settings.
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It just, it would not respond.
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And it starts beeping again,
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but I cannot open the settings to turn the beep sound off.
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- Where are these settings?
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I've never used a Synology.
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What device are you using?
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- It's, so the Synology runs like a fork of Linux.
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- So this is all on it.
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You're like trying to do with it on it.
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- And this is all on it.
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And you log into the web interface
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using like a local IP address.
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And you have this Linux interface,
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which has been modified by Synology.
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And you turn the beep sound off
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by opening like some kind of preference screen.
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And it says, "Turn system over."
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- Turn off the beep.
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- So that, turn off the damn beep
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because I really don't wanna hear.
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And it wasn't working.
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So everything was unresponsive.
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And I was trying to use an interface
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in the volume manager thing
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to understand what was going on.
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And it just wouldn't work.
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And I start doing some googling around.
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And everybody's recommending that you install Linux
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and you do this manually.
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Like you understand what is going on with the file system,
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which is x4.
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I didn't even know what it means.
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This is like-- it sounds like a John Syracuse nightmare,
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but it's a bunch of terms that I don't understand.
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So what I do is I text Steven and I'm like,
01:17:21
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so let's assume that I have a SATA drive,
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like a 3.5 inch drive,
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and I need to access the contents of this drive.
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What do I do?
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And Steven tells me, well, you need an adapter
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and you need to, and I was like, does this work?
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So I send him like a screenshot or a link
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and it's like, yeah, it should work.
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So I talked to my girlfriend and I'm like,
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I guess we should somehow extract
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The contents of the drives, at least the one that is working,
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and at least try to salvage this situation
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and maybe reinstall the Synology OS from scratch.
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We make a backup of the drive and then we reinstall
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and we hope that the issue goes away.
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So we go to the electronics store and I buy this adapter.
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But I don't look on the description on the package,
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that was my fault.
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So I come back home and I connect this adapter,
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but it wasn't adapt.
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So the SATA connector is the same,
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but if you have a 3.5 inch drive,
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instead of a 2.5 inch drive,
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just the adapter itself will not power the drive on.
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- People ask me why I don't bother
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with network attack storage.
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- Hold on, hold on.
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So the drive will not spin.
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It will not make a sound.
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And I was holding my ear against the drive to hear
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if it was actually spinning, but it was not spinning.
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So I was like, I text Steven again.
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It's like, it does not turn on.
01:18:49
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It's like, yeah, you may need like some external power source.
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So I go on Amazon.
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And the adapter and the whole box
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is beyond the state of being returned
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to the electronics store at this point.
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Like, I think I opened it using scissors or something.
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Like, it was like the package was entirely destroyed.
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And it was like a 10-year-old adapter, so whatever.
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I just keep the adapter.
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I don't want to go to the store.
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So I go on Amazon and I buy a docking station, which is like this, it's like this, it's like
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this cradled thing where you put drives in and it's got a power. It's like a cable that
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goes into the wall and it powers the drives and you connect them. So I wait three days
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for the docking station to arrive. And in the meantime, I discovered this tool called
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the Paragon for Mac, which allows you to read the contents of drives that have a file system
01:19:49
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that is not officially supported by Mac OS. In this case, this .ext4 format. It's like,
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"Okay, I'm gonna wait for the docking station, connect my drives, and with Paragon I will
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be able to open the file system and there will be, I suppose, like a user folder and
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and I will copy everything into my MacBook storage.
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So the docking station arrives and I connect the drives, they spin, they power on.
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I see the drive in Paragon.
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I was like, "Okay, I did it."
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I was very proud of myself until I realized that all the folders that were exposed in
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the drive were like system stuff and my user data was encrypted.
01:20:38
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So I was like, oh no, I go to YouTube and there's like,
01:20:45
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here's how to recover data from your Synology,
01:20:48
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even if it says the drive has failed and the volume
01:20:51
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has crashed because in the meantime, yes,
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the entire volume has crashed and I couldn't even
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reboot my Synology anymore.
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And I watched these tutorials on YouTube.
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There's a guy who is spelling out Linux commands
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that you're supposed to enter in the term.
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And at the point I was like, you know what?
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I'm done with this.
01:21:11
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I'm never, I don't wanna install Linux.
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I'm not, I actually even tried to make a USB key
01:21:19
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Ubuntu drive and just nothing worked.
01:21:25
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And I was like, you know what?
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I'm not gonna make a partition on my MacBook.
01:21:30
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This would have never happened if I had an Apple computer,
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because at least it would have given me some terminology
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that I would understand,
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or it would have given me an actual interface
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that I could use instead of a guy spelling out commands
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for the Linux shell.
01:21:47
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I know that people love to solve these problems.
01:21:50
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I hate these problems.
01:21:52
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I hate this kind of, oh, you have to do it yourself
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because there's no GUI for you.
01:21:59
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This is not at all what I like in computers, so I have made the decision that I will buy a Mac Mini.
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It's the end of times.
01:22:14
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This is like a trail of just like really questionable decisions that you have made so far.
01:22:23
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I realize that now people are going to send me all kinds of recommendations on how to recover data
01:22:32
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from a Synology drive. They're literally happening in the chat room right now.
01:22:35
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So like, you know, you've got you've got a whole situation ahead of you here.
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No, here's my reply. If you want, if you if you are like a normal human being,
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and you want to come to my house and do this for free, and you're not weird, and you're not creepy,
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get in touch with me. But nobody will do this. So I don't have the time for this. I don't have
01:22:59
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the patience. I don't have the knowledge. It's not fun for me to do at all. I don't want to go
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to a technician who will do it for me and see my data. Thankfully, the personal data that was
01:23:14
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stored in the Synology. For some reason, I don't know why, but a few months ago I had
01:23:20
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copied everything in my Dropbox account. So all we lost is effectively our Plex library,
01:23:27
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which is fine. I can rebuild that.
01:23:31
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I can rebuild it. I can make it stronger.
01:23:34
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I can re-download stuff. If personal and sensitive and highly important work and personal data
01:23:43
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was stored in the Synology, I would have probably gone to greater lengths to make
01:23:49
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this work, to recover that data, but because it's just a bunch of Plex
01:23:55
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media folders, I just don't care. I think I've lost a little bit. Didn't you lose
01:23:59
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just one drive? Why is everything... No, I said that both failed. Oh, okay. I don't know what
01:24:07
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happened. Something in the file system happened, obviously, that was mirrored to
01:24:11
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the other drive as well because they were in a RAID configuration. So something happened.
01:24:17
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I don't know where, how, or why. I don't even know what it means that volume is degraded.
01:24:24
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Like, I need normal human words for this stuff, and I need a normal interface. And I realized
01:24:34
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that, and this is, this is going to be a bigger topic, but what happened is that I realized
01:24:41
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that I have a bunch of stuff that I've tried over the past two years and I just don't have
01:24:51
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the patience for that stuff anymore. And I want to sell every of these accessories of
01:24:57
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these devices that I bought because ultimately the Apple stuff.
01:25:03
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Is the Nvidia Shield included in all of this?
01:25:06
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The Nvidia Shield has been already reset and put in the box.
01:25:13
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So this is a change that is happening in my life right now that I'm sure we'll talk about
01:25:17
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again on the show.
01:25:19
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But I realized that despite all the issues that I have with Apple software and hardware
01:25:25
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times. It's never driven me this crazy or it's never caused me this kind of problems.
01:25:33
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And for better or worse, the Apple stuff works for me quite well. And it's designed for humans.
01:25:42
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It's not designed for Linux nerds. I just don't have the time or patience or I just don't like
01:25:48
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doing this. And so it's sort of this problem, this entire situation that really stresses me out
01:25:54
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a couple of weeks ago, it became this bigger theme of I bought a bunch of devices over the past
01:26:02
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couple of years because I wanted to explore and I'm glad I did that. I wanted to try a bunch of
01:26:07
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different things but now I realize that I'm happy when everything is consistent and is made by Apple
01:26:15
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and it works and it's got a UI that I understand and it does not require me to type out commands
01:26:21
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in a shell. So I'm gonna sell a bunch of these things and I wanna buy a Mac Mini, but there's
01:26:30
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an entire discussion to be had about the Mac Mini, which we probably should have next week,
01:26:36
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because it's a big topic. But this surprise was meant to be an app...
01:26:38
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Not next week, because Steven's not here next week, and I can't help you. Yeah.
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In a couple of weeks. I'm still doing my research. I'm still doing my research about what I want
01:26:48
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and what I want to do. There's things that I plan on selling, so I already, I'm doing
01:26:55
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my research in terms of what it costs to ship stuff. I have a big box outside where I'm
01:27:03
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keeping all the stuff like in our garage where I want to sell all these things. But yeah,
01:27:08
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it's been a sort of like an epiphany, like this single thing broke and the entire system,
01:27:15
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It's like my Synology, I guess. The entire system crashed.
01:27:19
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So what you're saying is that you have returned to your eBay store ways, really, what you're
01:27:27
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You get to use your training.
01:27:31
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I can use my e-mail skills again. So yeah, I guess the surprise was meant to be sort
01:27:38
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of an appetizer for this idea of "I'm happy with my Apple devices", because they're not
01:27:48
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perfect. Apple makes some really questionable decisions sometimes, but you know what? Their
01:27:57
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stuff works. And it's visual, it's friendly. Which you cannot say the same thing for Linux.
01:28:05
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I'm keeping my Raspberry Pi because it does something that I need, but also that could
01:28:11
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probably be run on a Mac Mini home server.
01:28:14
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So we'll see.
01:28:15
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But yeah, this was a surprise.
01:28:17
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Are you concerned?
01:28:19
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No, no, actually, I mean, I'm really sorry that you went through this.
01:28:23
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I'm really glad you didn't lose anything important.
01:28:26
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And I did a similar thing.
01:28:27
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I had a Synology, I had a hardware problem with it, and now I use a Mac Mini and a Drobo.
01:28:33
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But I know that if that Drobo explodes, it can be extremely difficult to get data off
01:28:38
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And so I shared this with you when you said that, you know, because I asked you, like,
01:28:41
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you know, my gosh, did you lose anything important?
01:28:43
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I keep, there's like regular old, like unencrypted USB portable hard drives that I, you know,
01:28:50
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I back up that Drobo to, you know, once a month or so.
01:28:54
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And so I've got everything safe and sound on a device that is very simple and that I
01:28:59
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trust completely.
01:29:01
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And so I, yeah, I'm sorry, and I totally get it,
01:29:05
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'cause, you know, especially if you're doing
01:29:07
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like file sharing and stuff, that's just easier on the Mac.
01:29:10
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Like the Synology is really powerful,
01:29:12
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but it has a lot of overhead that I found unnecessary.
01:29:17
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And I think maybe that's what you're responding to as well.
01:29:20
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It's like, I can just have a Mac, I can have Mac,
01:29:22
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a Mac mini, I can run a macOS on it,
01:29:24
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I don't even have to run a macOS server,
01:29:25
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'cause it's not a thing anymore.
01:29:27
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And you can just share it to your network
01:29:29
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and it's gonna work and you're gonna get the benefit.
01:29:32
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And what I guess is going to happen
01:29:35
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is that you will find uses for that Mac Mini.
01:29:38
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Having an always on Mac can be helpful for different things.
01:29:42
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And so you'll be able to run back plays
01:29:44
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and backup the external drives.
01:29:47
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I think this is going to be a better setup
01:29:49
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once you kind of get through the pain of the migration.
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- Yeah, yeah.
01:29:53
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There's been a lot of discussions with Sylvia here about,
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And she, for once, she's like, "I told you, just like the guys," she said, "many years ago, that you should have bought a Mac Mini."
01:30:08
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And I was like, "You know, all of you, you were right, but I wanted to explore. I wanted to have my wilderness ears to understand what was out there."
01:30:18
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And I needed to try stuff for, ultimately, just to realize, "No, not for me."
01:30:24
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This is why I don't have no interest in looking at something like a Synology,
01:30:29
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because I already know how I will be when I'm having the cold sweats of trying to fix these problems.
01:30:36
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And like you describing that to me, like if this happened to me today, I wouldn't be able to deal with it.
01:30:44
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Like I'd be like, well, I can't do anything now because I don't have the time to sit and fix this problem.
01:30:50
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Like I wouldn't have even gone as far as you did I would have had to have just got up and walked away from it
01:30:54
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Like with where I am in my life right now, I need my technology to just be doing it for me
01:30:59
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I wouldn't be able to deal with something like that
01:31:01
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So I can completely sympathize with you
01:31:03
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I'm sorry. So well, yeah, it's fine. Thankfully just media files. So
01:31:10
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That's totally okay
01:31:12
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But it was still stressful because I at least I wanted to try but I couldn't because it's way beyond my skills and my knowledge
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Anyway, this will be I suppose like a continuing topic of
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Federico gets rid of all the stuff and is considering a Mac Mini. So
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Be on the lookout for updates on this story. Bring us home Steven
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If you want to find show notes this week links and stuff
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We've talked about you can do so over on the website relay.fm/connected/183
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If you want to go visit Federico and fix his hard drive you get in touch with us
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You can send us an email through that webpage or you can find us on Twitter.
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You can find Federico, he's the most important one this week, @Vittici.
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And of course he writes the, what do we call it?
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What are blogs called now?
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Podstorm, he writes the Podstorm, MacStories.net.
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And this is MacMinnie's going to put the Mac back in MacStories, I'm very excited.
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You can find Myke as I-M-Y-K-E.
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You can find me on Twitter as ISMH.
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think our sponsors this week Hover Away and Casper they made all this possible
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and I guess until next time boys say goodbye. Adios. I don't have it yet.
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I just don't have it yet. You're just supposed to say, I guess, say bye. But I
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can't though because I have listened for like five years to that specific end so
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like I can't get out of my head it's the only thing I can think of