186: I Move My Arms Around
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In the edit, I'm going to add a pause under this.
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Or if you all want to applaud while I do this, that's fine.
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Just do it off mic.
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- Nope, don't want to do that.
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(upbeat music)
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(audience applauding)
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- Thank you for coming.
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We're very excited to have all of you in Chicago today.
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We have literally two things to announce.
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So sit back and enjoy the show.
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- Yeah, Chicago man, it's the weather.
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The weather, it's rainy. It's rainy today. That's too bad. And the pizza, yeah, yeah.
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You know, everybody, everybody in Chicago, in Chicago in March, it's a tradition to eat
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pizza every single day of the week. Everybody from Chicago knows that. So we've been eating
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pizza. We are here in Chicago, right? In the center of the city, a very famous place, and
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We are eating pizza, but that's what we're doing.
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I'm recording a podcast.
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- We're just so inspired by everything.
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We're excited about everything,
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as long as you have $299 to spend per student.
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- This is gonna be fun.
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Can we do some follow up before we get to that?
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- We should, but first we should thank our sponsors
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for this episode, Squarespace, Smile, and Audible,
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and we should introduce ourselves.
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I'm not Tim Cook.
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I know I sort of sound like Tim Cook, but I'm not.
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My name is Stephen Hackett,
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and I'm joined by my European co-host.
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I have on one side of me, Michael Hurley.
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Myke, how are you?
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- I'm very good.
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It's a good side.
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- And on the other side, I have Federico Vittucci.
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- Yeah, stop touching me, man.
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We're in Chicago and it's kinda awkward.
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You don't need to put your hand on my shoulder
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when you do the intro.
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It's kinda weird.
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How are you?
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Why would I ask you how are you if we're together?
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There's no point. - I'm good, I'm good.
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You already know.
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- Yeah, I'm fine.
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I just introduced a new iPad, I feel great.
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So, WWDC lottery has happened.
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- Federico, did you get in?
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- I did, and that completes the trilogy,
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which I decided now it was going to be a trilogy.
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Since the beginning, I retroactively decided
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that my tickets are a trilogy.
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So, the trilogy is complete, and now,
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I suppose there must be some kind of Star Wars joke here,
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But having only seen one Star Wars movie,
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so I don't think I can make that joke.
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But yes, I got in.
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I'm very excited.
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I want to go--
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I'm happy to be going to San Jose again.
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I had a great time last year.
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And I want to meet all the developers.
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I want to try all the new APIs.
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I want to talk to people.
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So I'm really excited.
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Myke and I did not get in, but we did not enter.
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So it's not a huge loss, I guess.
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If you purchased Space Gray Magic Keyboard
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or Magic Trackpad when the iMac Pro came out,
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remember these were on eBay for like hundreds
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and hundreds and hundreds of dollars?
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If you had just waited, you can now get them
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for $149 a piece directly from Apple.
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That is $20 more than the silver boring models.
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You pay 20 bucks for that Space Gray.
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But they're available.
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Does this interest you, Myke?
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Are you interested in getting a space gray Magic Trackpad or Magic Mouse or keyboard?
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I thought about it until I saw the prices and like I don't I don't particularly care
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that it's $149 but I do when I'm just thinking about buying it for the fun of it right like
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if I'm if I need any Magic Trackpad then I may pay the extra $20 to get the space gray
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one because it looks cool, but I don't need to buy one so I'm not gonna buy one.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I just don't need it.
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I don't need to pay $149 for a space grey Magic Trackpad, but it does look good.
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It does look good.
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I got mine out of the box because I use the tenkeyless version without the number pad.
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So the number pad puts the mouse too far out of the side for me where it's uncomfortable.
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And I got it out yesterday and I'm like, it looks really good, I just can't use it.
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So it's in the box.
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So I'm using my regular Magic Trackpad and my regular Magic Keyboard and a mouse.
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So things are good here.
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But they're available.
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I know some people were excited about this.
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The mouse is 99 bucks as opposed to 79 for the silver.
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So again, you just have that $20 tax to get the darker color.
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People had a lot of thoughts in my Twitter about the price bump for the darker.
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Myke informed me yesterday, as I was busy trying, what did you text me Myke? Like congrats
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on the MKBHD retweet? Yeah MKBHD retweeted your tweet about the
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keyboard being available so then you were subjected to like 3 million people. So you
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know I'm sure it was a bit of a dumpster fire in the old mentions yesterday.
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I tried to go back and look at one point, it was like, you know, it's just too much.
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And there's so many, so many bad people, honestly, like saying really ugly offensive things.
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So yeah, that's unfortunate.
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Because, you know, there will be people that kind of scale that kind of like, just follow
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him to complain about literally everything that he'll say, right?
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Like that's just kind of what they're waiting to do.
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They're just waiting.
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And then the problem is people don't care who they're responding to, they just press
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the reply button and just send it.
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So yeah, look at that, 549 retweets, 5.6 thousand favorites.
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That's incredible.
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So you just got bombarded.
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But there's not just Space Gray, there's also color, there's also color poured all over
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our devices.
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There are pink and blue.
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What is that thing called?
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The leather case for the iPad Pro?
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What is that called?
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The leather sleeve for the iPad Pro.
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The leather sleeve.
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It's like a nice blue and pink color and there are new leather and silicone cases as well
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as the Apple Watch bands that we spoke about.
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Was it last week, I think?
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Which I bought two of them, by the way.
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Which the cases or the bands?
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They're coming tomorrow.
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I just got a notification.
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I got the the Nike, the black and white one. What's the name? Black and platinum band or something?
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The spilt loop one?
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No, I got the Nike Sport, the black and one, and the Nike Sport Loop, the black and red.
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Red and crimson, I think it's called?
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Which is my first sport loop, which I'm really, really curious to try.
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I like the sport loops. I haven't got any of these ones yet because I want to...
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I tend these days to like to just go to a store and look at the colors and just see how they look
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because so many times like they never look exactly right you know like sometimes better or sometimes
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worse on the store than they do kind of when you're looking at them but I'll expect I'll buy
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one like I really really like the sport loops so you know I wouldn't mind another one and the color
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options the red one looks kind of cool I want to see what that looks like the red and black one
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that looks kind of cool I like it but yeah there's there's also they've matched some of those colors
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and got some new colors.
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There's an orange leather case, which I like the look of,
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but I think I like the silicone ones too much.
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- I didn't buy anything.
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Sorry. - No, I didn't expect
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that you would have, honestly.
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- Bring it down, bring it down.
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All right, before we move on, we do have a reminder
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that we will be at WWBC doing a live show
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the evening of Wednesday, June 6th.
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- 6th. - And there are tickets
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still available, they are going quickly.
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So if you're listening to this, I would not wait.
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to support AltConf that does really great work
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in our community, so go check that out.
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And if we're not enough for you,
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there's also ATP on Monday night.
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We're kind of doing a podcast festival together,
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so you can see those guys on Monday,
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and they come back and see us on Wednesday.
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So the March event, the March education event,
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it has come and gone.
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Both me and Steven have recorded other shows
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going into I think more detailed analysis.
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So you can check out query episode 27 and upgrade episode 186 because both Serenity
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and Jason were at the event.
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So that's good to kind of get the opinions of people that were there and have got that
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kind of information.
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But we wanted to kind of take some time to look at some larger themes and larger questions
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that have arisen because of the event.
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Stephen joked at the beginning about having two things to announce because really, the
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was a couple of announcements and then because we have everybody's eyes on this, let's talk
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about some of the other things in education that we do. Some stuff that has been around
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for literally years at this point, like the multi person, like what is it called where
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multiple people can sign into an iPad?
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Shared iPad?
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Yeah, which has been around since 9.3. So like, you know, some of this stuff has been
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around for some time but it was used as part to tell a larger story about about education
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and there are a few different things I think we all kind of have our pet questions and our pet
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thoughts about this. Why don't we start talking about the the iPad, the star of the show,
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the thing that they announced the the new bottom of the line 9.7 inch iPad which has
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upgrades in a bunch of different areas from the original iPad including an Apple Pencil support.
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I think you know when I was initially seeing it I was like oh this is like a pro but it's not like a pro
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It is it is way closer to the original iPad than the pro
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Steven we spent a bunch of time last week talking about the mythical e-pad that you dreamed up the education
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iPad is that this
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No, I don't I don't think it is I think the idea behind behind that mythical like that whole thought experiment was what if Apple
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changed direction from the consumer product and made something just for education and
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As Federica is gonna talk about in a second. This is a device that still very much
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Exists in two worlds consumer and education so it you know, it doesn't
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Change anything with the form factor to make it more rugged
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It doesn't include a pencil let alone a way to store the pencil does it come with some sort of integrated keyboard?
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Options, it's no cheaper than it was before
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So I think this is Apple continuing the course of we're gonna have one device that
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we think satisfies the needs of schools and the needs of
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Sort of like the broad consumer market who you know people who aren't interested in the iPad Pro
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So I don't think that's a change in direction at all really. I don't think it's a it should be considered an iPad Pro
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but at the same time I also think it
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It allows Apple to move the iPad Pro line even further
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because you could argue that the Apple Pencil is possibly the most interesting
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feature from a consumer standpoint of the former iPad Pro line and being
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exclusive to the iPad Pro prevented many users from enjoying the benefits of the
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Apple Pencil and I think of all the features that this iPad does not
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offer such as promotion for the higher display refresh rate and True Tone and
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more RAM and the A10X variation of the A10 chip or even just niceties like the laminated display.
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Exactly. Right, like which is just a nice thing to have. Of all these features, I think that the
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Apple Pencil is the most interesting one for the general public, for folks who want to use an iPad
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but don't want to work or be pro users with an iPad. And so while it is not an iPad Pro
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for education or basically an iPad Pro, I think it's a good decision to expand what
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the Pencil is, what the Pencil can do by bringing it further down the line and unlocking these
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new education use cases and just letting more people, not even people, users in schools,
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just the general public that goes to apple.com and wants to buy an iPad for $300 and now
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you can get one that also supports the Apple Pencil. I think that's a good decision.
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I'm in agreement with you. I think that a lot of people take notes with pen and paper in their jobs,
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right, in their meetings and that kind of stuff. And I think that whether it would be a better
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experience for people or not, I think it's something that people want, right? Like they
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see an iPad with an Apple pencil and can imagine themselves just taking their notes on a device
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and not having to carry around pen and paper anymore. Right. Like I can see that as a thing
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that people would want, even if it would be good for them or not. You know what I mean? Right. Like
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a lot of people I think would try that and would prefer to go back to pen and paper because
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it's not perfect. Right. Like there are you have to get a good app for it. Or I think a lot of
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people imagine that like, oh, all I need to do is just handwrite it and then I'll have text.
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You know, like I think that there is a lot and you can get part of the way of a lot of those things,
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but it's not like as good as it could be in the future. But I think that it is one of those things
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where people see it and they're like, oh, I would like a digital notepad instead of instead of having
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to carry around this notepad and losing my pen all the time. So I think that there is a I agree
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with you Federico. I think it is more it is more interesting, I believe, to the general public than
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of smart keyboard, even though honestly a smart keyboard is actually more useful, but
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if you're trying to use the iPad more seriously, but you won't know that until you try it.
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But as a marketing tool to sell iPads, the Apple Pencil is the perfect fit for that to
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serve that purpose.
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For someone like me, I don't use my pencil very much at all, but I bought one and even
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Even watching this event, I watched the video this morning, I felt inspired.
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Like, yeah, I should draw.
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I should take notes on it.
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You want to use it because it's fun.
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And I think they did a really good job of tapping into that in the event.
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And I don't know how many of these things are going to sell to schools, but I think
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that schools that do decide to spend the $89 for a pencil, the education price, I think
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it will make a difference.
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I think that kids will be able to do things with it that are exciting and new.
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So yeah, I think if you're going to bring one quote-unquote "pro" feature down to the
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consumer iPad, this was the one to do.
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So let's look at the next big question.
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Was this iPad and everything shown on stage a proper response to Google?
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I think it is widely considered that Apple have decided to refocus on education again
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publicly and internally because of how much of the market share Google is grabbing with
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Chromebooks and Chrome OS. Was this a proper response to that?
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I feel like the Apple's argument boils down to maybe three factors. The App Store ecosystem,
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Apple design and privacy. I feel like those were the three themes that they tried to push
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forward as the value that you get by going iPad instead of, I think they said, other
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web-based solutions or something like that. But they really insisted on the idea of you're
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using real apps, you're using native apps, you're using full iPad experiences that take
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advantage of the right now display, multi-touch and the pencil and all of that. And you can
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go to the App Store and now we have this API that developers can use to integrate classroom
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and schoolwork, whatever it's called, with ClassKit into third-party apps, which of course
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is something that can be done because of the App Store and the way that iOS works.
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My question would be, if this is what Apple thinks, that their advantage is the iPad design,
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so hardware and software, and the App Store ecosystem, and the privacy approach that they
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take, is this argument valuable enough for schools that are tight in terms of budget
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or they just prefer a web-based solution because maybe it's easier to manage.
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I want to understand whether these three advantages that Apple claims they have
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are actual advantages from the perspective of institutions and educators.
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I mean, there are advantages if you have the money, right?
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Like, all of those things are really nice, but you have to have the money.
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And I think that, of course, there are school and education institutions
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that can afford this stuff, we know it exists. We have, you know, first hand knowledge or
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second hand knowledge when you look at someone like Fraser Spears, right? Like he works for
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a school that can afford to do this stuff, that can afford to have an iPad push student.
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But there are many, many, many schools, I was talking about some upgrade, including
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the one that I went to, that could not and would not be able to afford to do this. Now,
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I went to a very big school, there was nearly 2000 pupils at my school. There is no way,
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There's just absolutely no way that that school would have, one, been able to afford it, or
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two, prioritized this over other things.
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And I know that there are places that can do it, and Apple can serve those if they want
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to, but they're not changing the entire world with this current suite of products, and I
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think we all need to accept that.
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Of course, I finished high school 11 years ago at this point, but I strongly doubt that
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my high school would be able to ever afford this kind of solution.
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And I mean, I went to a public school with, I guess, about a thousand students.
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And sometimes, like, the budget was always tight.
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And sometimes the desks or the chairs were broken and needed to be replaced.
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And there were other issues besides, you know, getting the fancy computer or now getting
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the fancy tablet with the stylus.
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I think our, you know, the current situation in Italy, and of course it's different in
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in other countries.
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It's different in the UK and the United States.
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But our budget for getting elementary schools
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and high schools into premium priced pieces of technology,
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I don't think it's there.
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It's just not there.
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I cannot imagine not even a one-to-one program, because that
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is just unthinkable to ask a school to spend 350
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euros per student to get an iPad and a pencil and maybe a keyboard so that
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would be around 400 euros but not even 10 iPads per classroom. I think that
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would be that would be difficult for my high school to to achieve and so I it
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feels to me I even looking at the event itself so that the the setup so this
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Lane Tech school which in theory is public but John Voorhees is from
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Chicago, he knows the school very well. He told me it's a "public school", you need to
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apply to this school. And he believes that parents of course make big donations to the
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school and all of that. So it looks like a private school. It looks like a very high-end,
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semi-public institution that has the funds to buy a lot of Mac computers and have fancy,
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beautiful looking classrooms and all of that. My school, it needs the walls to be repainted
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to give you some context. And I think it's the same situation is true in other parts
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of Italy, in other parts of Europe, and in other parts of the entire world. So it's great
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that some schools, some high end schools can afford the iPad, especially the private ones,
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especially the public ones that use this mixed system of you still need to apply and a lot
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of parents make donations. I think it's great. But I struggle to say, well, of course, Apple
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is now changing the world of education. They are changing parts of education, part of it
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somewhere, but it's not a, I think the blanket statement of saying Apple is changing education
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is not true. What do you think on that, Steven?
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- I totally agree.
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I had access to technology in high school
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solely because I was on the student newspaper.
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Everyone else I went to school with didn't.
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There was a Mac or two in every classroom.
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The teacher had one, they did all their stuff on,
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and there was maybe one for students to use.
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My high school didn't really have a computer lab,
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even really, it was always tied in with something else,
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with typing or again, like the newspaper or the yearbook.
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And granted, that was a long time ago,
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but I think that a lot of schools are still there.
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After, for a while, I worked as a consultant
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in K through 12 on behalf of Apple.
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We'd go into schools and do these deployments.
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We would deploy a MacBook one to one,
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or we would put a bunch of iMacs in libraries
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and classrooms and stuff.
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And that's been 10 years now,
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but even then, the schools that we were going into
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were more fluent, and it was pretty obvious.
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And that gap still exists today,
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that there are a lot of students that don't have access
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to iPads in the classroom, but also don't have access
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to Chromebooks or anything even less expensive,
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'cause the bar is still too high, unfortunately,
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for too many school districts and too many schools
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and too many classrooms.
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Apple didn't do anything to address that with this.
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I was really hoping that they'd announce it all
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and they said, "Hey, it's $329 for consumers
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"and for schools if you buy 10 or something or more,
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"it's $249 or less than where they were able to put it."
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And I guess on the flip side of that,
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the other side of the argument as well,
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it's the same cost as it was,
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but it's a much better product.
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Well, it is a much better product
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if you spend the other $89 for a pencil
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and you get a keyboard.
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It's still an expensive product.
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I think what Apple did here, I think the big picture
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of Apple versus Chromebooks, I think what Apple's doing
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is saying the price is what it is,
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and if you can't meet that, then we're sorry,
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but you can't meet it.
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But if you can, if the iPad is a viable option
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for you financially, they want the iPad to set apart
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from Chromebooks based on what a student can do with it.
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And they mentioned Chromebooks, they mentioned
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web-based apps, which is a shot at Chrome OS.
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And I think they built the case,
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I think they did a pretty successful job of it
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with things like the Everyone Can Create curriculum.
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If you want your students to be working in multimedia
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with video and music and you want them to be
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annotating things and dealing with custom textbooks,
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the iPad is the only way to go.
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That they are, instead of getting in the mud on pricing,
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they're saying we are gonna be more expensive,
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But for that, you get a device with really great battery life
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that students are really comfortable using touch devices.
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And they can use it to create all of this stuff.
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And you can't do that with a Chromebook.
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And you can't even really do it with a Mac.
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I mean, there's stuff that--
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like, Clip's got a ton of stage time.
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And teachers actually seem really excited about Clip's.
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It's really surprised me that it seems to have taken off,
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at least in some classrooms.
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But I can totally see why, because it's a fun, easy way
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to do video.
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Yeah, it's like, I never would have expected it.
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but as soon as I see it, I'm like, yeah, okay,
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I can see how that makes sense.
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And so yeah, you can edit in GarageBand
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and iMovie and stuff on a MacBook,
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but an iPad makes it more fun and easier to deal with,
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and you don't have to deal with file stuff,
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right, 'cause it's all just in iCloud.
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And so I think that's where they're going with this.
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I think Apple wants to change the argument
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from pricing first, which is hard,
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because that is the truth of this market,
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is that pricing is a huge factor.
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But I think what they're saying is,
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If you can't afford us, then this
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is what you get for that additional cost.
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And I don't know if that argument's
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going to work or not, but I do think
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that they closed the loop on that argument
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really well in this keynote.
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I think you're right.
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So also Logitech got a lot of time again.
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So if you cast your mind back to the original iPad Pro
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introduction, it was announced that when that product came
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about that Logitech had made a keyboard case, right?
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That they were on stage.
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Obviously Logitech had a relationship with Apple that they got to see this stuff first
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and it's happened again because there are two products.
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There is a new version of the rugged combo case which is funnily enough like it's like
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basically Logitech built their own case of a smart connector on it for a keyboard which
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is kind of hilarious that they did that considering this device doesn't have one.
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But the real thing that is more interesting is Logitech Crayon, which is a cheaper and
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differing in function version of the Apple Pencil.
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Federico, what do you think of the Logitech Crayon and also kind of a wider level, the
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way that Logitech and Apple seem to be working together on this stuff, basically to create
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the stuff that Apple doesn't want to make it seems?
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Yeah, that's exactly my point.
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I think it's fascinating that Apple is sitting in control to Logitech to make these accessories
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that arguably Apple used to make, you know, keyboard cases, different types of accessories
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for the same device, but now it appears to be Logitech's job to come in and say, "Okay,
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what it is that you guys are not doing, we'll take care of it." And I think it's a -- I'm
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not sure if I like it because on one hand I'm all for third-party companies being able
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to manufacture accessories to give me more choice, but on the other, I'm still waiting
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for an Apple backlit keyboard for the iPad Pro that is not made by Logitech. So there's
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pros and cons there. And the Crayon, I think it's super interesting to me. So essentially,
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this uses the same technology inside the Pencil. So the same framework that works with the
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digitizer in the app it's display to detect touches,
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to make guesses for the predictive touch API,
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to basically guess where the line is going to be drawn.
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It uses the same system, the same framework,
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and of course it works with all the apps that currently
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support the Apple Pencil.
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But they needed to make some concessions
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to make this happen.
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So it does not support pressure sensitivity.
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It only supports tilt.
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So you can draw at an angle and the thickness of the line will change.
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And from a design perspective, and also it does not use Bluetooth, but it uses some kind
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of single frequency pairing that does not force you to do the manual pairing with Bluetooth,
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but it's also not like the pencil that you can plug into the lightning port and it's
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press a button on the crayon and a green LED flashes and then you wait a couple of seconds
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and it's paired. Although we don't have any details as to...
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It doesn't make sense how this works right now. Except for if you consider that considering
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it only works with this iPad, that there is something in this iPad that it's connecting
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Yeah, but I saw someone, I think it was Fraser on Twitter, say "How is this going to work
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in terms of proximity. So if I have 20 iPads in a classroom and all the crayons look the
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same, how do I know which one is paired with which iPad if I cannot plug it into the iPad
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Yeah, but I guess it doesn't matter if it's super quick to repair it.
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So like if you touch it down and it doesn't work, you just press the button and it works.
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Or Logitech makes lots of accessories. You know when you go to the bank and the pen is
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like on a little ball chain that's like attached to the counter. They just do that with this.
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It's just like a little chain. You just stick it into the lightning port and then you chain
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it up on the other end. Perfect. This is a very interesting product because it's doing
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a bunch of things very differently. Like it's made of aluminium and it's not round, which
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I think is really great. It has some rubber sections to it. What do you think about the
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design itself? I think it looks exactly as I would assume an Apple pencil for kids to
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look. Right? Like it is simple, it is blocky, it is brightly coloured in places, it looks
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nice and comfortable to hold. You know, I think it's fine. If this was the Apple Pencil
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I would have been disappointed, but as a third party product I think it's fantastic. Does
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that make sense? If this was the product that Apple gave me, I would be a bit like "Really?
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Is this the best you could do?" Because it does look, it looks childlike, it looks like
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a device for kids in a way. So I think it's perfectly fitting the bill. I think it has
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some interesting features. I think that the very quick pairing is kind of cool. A lot
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of people are super excited about the fact that it doesn't have an Apple, it doesn't
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have a lightning port built into it because apparently that's horrific design. Let me
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just, let me just rephrase stuff that is something I've said a million times. If you use the
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Apple Pencil, the very best thing the Apple Pencil has is the fact that the lightning
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port is built into it. So no matter where you are, you can always plug it into the Apple
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iPad you're using to get power. I know it looks awkward, I know it looks weird and
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"ah, Johnny Ive!" but that was genius design. If you would, because you build it like
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this, when this thing runs out of battery somebody has to go plug it in somewhere.
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You have to go find the charger and it is way easier to be able to just plug it
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into the device that has infinitely more power on it and just charge it for 30
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seconds and then just use it again. Right, it works way better that way. I know it
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looks awkward, I know it looks weird, and if you don't use the Apple Pencil on a frequent
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basis, then this isn't a thing that you come across. But if you do use the Apple Pencil
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on a frequent basis, then you're happy for the fact that it can be charged immediately.
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But this product doesn't have that, which I assume is a cost-cutting saving thing, and
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I've seen a few people mention about this, right, like, in schools, devices are plugged
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in at the end of the day, and this has an eight-hour battery life, so it's not necessarily
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going to be a problem. But I think this is really interesting. I think this is clearly
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Logitech get given the contract to build the products that Apple want but don't, but don't,
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can't make for many reasons. But the main one being that the one that they would make
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is twice the price and they know they can't do that.
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Johnny doesn't want to design it. Yeah, like they don't want to design it. They don't want
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manufacture it and they might as well have somebody else do it. And I understand that,
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right? Because all these Logitech products are never going to sell in the volumes that
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Apple sell, and they don't look particularly nice, and/or they have functionality that's
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kind of janky and weird, but is needed in some instances, so why not give it to a third
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party to build, rather than building it yourself and charging too much for it?
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It's interesting though that these arguments can be made only for small niches, like pro
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users, well Apple is gonna let Logitech make smart keyboard alternatives. Or education,
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well Apple is gonna let Logitech make a crayon. But the same argument cannot be applied to
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products with a wider appeal. For example, Apple is not letting Logitech make W1 chip
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powered headphones. Because AirPods are just so damn popular and Apple wants to control
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all of that pie, essentially. So when it comes to these small categories, sure Logitech can
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come on board and make a third-party version, but only Logitech for some reason, which almost,
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I mean the smart connector could be easily renamed the Logitech connector at this point.
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The Logi connector. The Logi connector.
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Because they are called Logi as well. They are.
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Outside of the US, the company is actually called Logi.
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My camera is called the Logi Circle. So yeah, Logi.
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I got the Logi Create. I didn't get the Logitech Create.
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Is that a Europe thing? I didn't know it was a Europe thing.
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Yeah, I think it's everywhere outside of the US. I think they're still called Logitech
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in the US, and they used to be called Logitech here, but they rebranded a couple of years
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ago to Logi. And they're called Logi everywhere else. So I mean, I think that this is a good
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I hope that one day I'm able to try an Apple as a logi logi crayon somewhere
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They are obviously of course only available to schools. It is a good product
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But you know, I want my Apple pencil like that's the product that I want but I like that this one exists and I cannot
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Under I cannot think why a school would pay $89 for an Apple pencil
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It almost feels like there was no point in even giving that discount
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Because you may as well just get the $49 Logitech one which basically has everything, right?
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It seems a bit strange to me to even to even have done the $10 discount because who's gonna buy it
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Yeah, I don't know even if even if you apply the discount to ten students you're saving a hundred dollars
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Which is you know, it's it's not much. It's not it's nothing, right?
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It's like it's not it's not it's not enough when there is a $50 product available every nine students
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you get one free Apple Pencil.
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It's a big offer.
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- Steven, what about the Mac?
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There was no Mac stuff, really.
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There was no Mac stuff of note.
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Is this a concerning thing for you?
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Did you expect it?
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- I remember that computer.
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I really liked it.
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- It was nice.
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- I think what I said on query is that
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I've always been a little confused
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by Apple's two-prong approach in education,
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that they have the MacBooks
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and they have the iPads, and look,
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the MacBook Air is never gonna be the cost of an iPad.
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It's just not the company that Apple is.
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Maybe they should be, but they're not,
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and it's not gonna change.
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And with that in mind, I think this event helped clarify
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for me what Apple's education strategy may be,
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that it is iPad first, that they really believe
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the iPad is the future of computing,
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that a lot of young people are sort of like touch first now.
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We sort of struggle to think about typing an essay
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on a piece of glass, but there are probably kids doing that
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at some point.
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If they're not now, they will be in the next couple years,
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- Federico used to write all of his articles that way.
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- Oh yeah, and he was a kid then, so that's perfect.
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- People do it, is my point, people do it.
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- Yeah, yeah, but it breaks my brain to think about it.
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So the iPad meets kind of the future looking needs,
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They get all the multimedia stuff.
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It's cheaper than a MacBook.
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So I think Apple's strategy here is
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the iPad is our answer for education,
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but we have the Mac as well if you have those needs.
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And so what a lot of school districts do,
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actually I was talking to a reader
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over email last night about this.
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He's in IT in a really large school district
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that does elementary, middle, and high school.
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And so kids don't necessarily stay on an iPad forever.
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So like what they do is they have iPads
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in elementary and middle, but in high school
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they use a mix of Chromebooks and MacBooks
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because their needs shift a little bit
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and they feel like a laptop form factor
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makes more sense for those older students.
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So this isn't like, the iPad doesn't have to win
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Apple's education strategy and the Mac doesn't have to lose.
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Like it's a mix, but clearly it is iPad first now.
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And they have the Mac if you need it
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and you're still gonna see iMacs in classrooms
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and in labs and in libraries and that sort of stuff.
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But I think they're really going into education
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with the iPad being the focus.
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And I think that's totally fine.
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I would like to see Apple have an entry-level Mac notebook
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that is more relevant than the MacBook Air.
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By the way, you can still buy the 11.6-inch MacBook Air
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if you're a school.
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But it's still expensive for what it is,
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and so maybe there's room there for them
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to make some changes.
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but I'm not particularly worried that this event
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says something about the future of the Mac
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because I think at least in education,
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Apple's gonna be iPad first from here on out.
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- Which I think is a sensible approach,
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provided that Apple have a long-term vision
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that supports this, right?
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Like, there needs to be continued development
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of this platform into different form factors
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if they believe it's the platform of the future.
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So therefore it's the platform
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they pushed the children. But yeah I think that the event was like okay it's kind of what I expected
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I think that some of the messaging is weird but it's as weird as again as I would have expected
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it to be and there was some cool little bits and bobs that came out of it like some of the
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Logitech stuff but yeah I guess that's kind of it really like it was it was what it was there's a
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bunch of stuff we didn't see there's a bunch of stuff that I expected to see and we didn't see
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And I guess all of that stuff like air power will come later, I suppose, I guess at some point maybe.
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There was a rumor which came during the event yesterday from KGI Securities from Ming-Chi
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Kuo about a potential future redesign of the Apple Watch, the Series 4, which I guess we'd
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expect this year.
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In a nutshell, new design with a 15% larger screen, longer battery life, and improved
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health sensors.
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Federico, what do you think about that?
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The larger screen, I'm really intrigued.
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It suggests that Apple is getting rid of the bezels around the screen of the device, so
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I would love to see an edge-to-edge Apple Watch form factor.
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I wonder if that would impact the overall look of the device.
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Because the design of the Apple Watch is fine, it is looking a bit dated, a bit old at this
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point maybe.
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So, I'm all for a design refresh at this point.
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The health stuff, super unclear, super non-descriptive at all.
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Improved health sensors.
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It could mean new sensors, it could mean just better reporting, like I think it's clear
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they don't know.
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They have no idea.
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Let's work with what we have.
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The current heart rate sensor.
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So I started working out every day a couple of months ago and soon after I started this
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routine I noticed that the sensor on the Apple Watch, it was not capturing my heart rate
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quite accurately or quickly enough.
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So the Apple Watch sensor, it polls for data when you're doing a workout every 3 to 5 seconds
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My problem was that because I mostly do indoor cycling,
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and for some reason I realized that I move my arms around
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when I do this.
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I don't stand perfectly still.
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Maybe I'm using the Apple Watch to control podcast playback,
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for example, or I just need to stretch my arms,
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but I move my arms around, and the Apple Watch
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didn't like my wrist movements.
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So it was giving me much, much lower heart rate
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estimates, then it was actually true.
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So I bought an external chest strap
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for heart rate measurements.
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And it works amazingly well, because it
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uses Bluetooth low energy.
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And it can poll for data every second.
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So that at the end of a workout, when
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you go into the activity app and you
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look at the graph for your heart rate, you see a smooth line.
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You don't see a bunch of spotty data points.
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you see an actual curve, an actual line,
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because the heart rate is being captured every single second
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of a workout.
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And ideally, an Apple Watch with improved health sensors
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and maybe improved battery life will
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be able to capture not every four seconds,
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but every second also.
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So it removes the need for-- well,
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part of the need for an external chest sensor.
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There's still the problem of depending
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on how you move your wrist or how you move your arms,
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the sensor will lose contact with your skin
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all will be unable to measure your heart rate correctly,
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but being able to poll for heart rate data
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more frequently than three to four seconds,
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that would be a huge improvement over the Series 3.
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So I hope that when KGI says improve the health sensors,
00:44:35
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it could be this, or it could be the rumor from last year,
00:44:40
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that was the skin, some name I don't remember,
00:44:45
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that like, remember that?
00:44:47
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There's a very specific term.
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- I couldn't tell you what it's called, but yes.
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There have been rumors of other types of sensors
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that they could use.
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- Yeah, so I don't know what this could mean.
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There's been also speculation
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that Apple is investigating glucose monitoring
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using sensors on the watch.
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And I think we also see,
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Do you guys remember Vic Gundotra? He used to work at Google and now he has this health company,
00:45:18
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the the Cardia band. I think it's the company's called Alive Cora, something like that maybe.
00:45:26
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Anyway they have this band which has been FDA certified in the United States and this band can
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It can do, what's it called, an electrocardiogram.
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It can do an ECG using the Apple Watch. And it can also measure the level of potassium
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in your body somehow. I think there's a patent that's going around. I saw it on the news a few
00:45:51
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weeks ago. So there's definitely potential for more on-skin measurement of interesting data
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points. But of course the big question here is does Apple want to get into the
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field of FDA certification? Which is, last year John and I on App Stories, we talked
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to Dermot Daly, he's worked on a bunch of FDA certified apps for the iPhone.
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And the entire process of getting certified for medical equipment
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essentially, it's just, it sounds like a nightmare. You gotta work with regulators
00:46:28
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months in advance and you got to show them what you're working on. And this has been
00:46:32
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the big counter argument for Apple getting into more health stuff of, well, if they do
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this, they got to work with the FDA and they got to get that certification months in advance,
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which means everybody's going to know what Apple is working on. So I don't know. Maybe
00:46:47
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there's a way for Apple to do this in secret, although I don't think it's possible under
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US law. So we'll see. I mean, I would settle for a better heart rate sensor, but KGI, I
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don't know what they're thinking. So it's interesting.
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It makes sense to me, like a lot of this stuff, like a redesign with more screen. Like, yeah,
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I believe that we are at that point. Like, I think that we are with the fourth edition,
00:47:18
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I believe it is, I get confused in numbering now, of the watch.
00:47:22
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I think that we are at the time for it to change visually.
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I think that we have passed that point now and I would really really like to see that.
00:47:32
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But whether it works out being exactly this, I don't know.
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There's a lot of stuff going on here, right?
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Like a bigger battery and more screen and better sensors.
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It all makes sense logically and I hope that we see it but I mean I don't think it does
00:47:48
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this stage, I would be willing to bet on it.
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Like a larger screen could change things for developers, though, right?
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It could be a problem if the I mean, the situation with Apple Watch apps is already
00:48:01
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quite I don't want to say comical, but it's problematic in that, you know, there's
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been issues with WatchKit.
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We all we all know that we've been talking about this and changing the display form
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factor. It would mean extra work for developers. And it would mean going back to those folks
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and saying, "Well, now you're going to be letterboxed on the Apple Watch also, unless
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you update your apps for the new display resolution." Or maybe there is a way for Apple to say,
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"No, no, you're not going to get the letterboxed problem because we figured out a way to make
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your assets look bigger or something. I strongly doubt that that would be possible. There will
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be consequences for developers that do not adapt to the new screen size. So it would
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be interesting to see Apple going back to developers who have been complaining about
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WatchKit and WatchOS or even going back to developers who pulled their watch apps completely,
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such as I think eBay and Slack most recently. Going back to those companies and saying,
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well do you want to try again maybe? We have watchOS 5 and a new Apple Watch display size,
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you want to bring your app back and also update it for the new watch please? I don't know.
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I don't know what the relationship is like.
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I would think anything that developers have to do to adopt a new watch would be slow.
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You know, like, I would like a redesign.
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Like it is, it's what, since 2015,
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like I'd like something, primarily I'd like
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something slimmer, but you know,
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something a little bit neater and nicer looking
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would be an upside, but I don't know if Apple would be,
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I don't know if Apple has enough goodwill
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to developers on watchOS.
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You know, with the phone, they change sizes all the time
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and people are just used to it because it's the biggest
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product that Apple makes for developers to build on.
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but the watch is not that.
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And so, yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know if they would, how that would be greeted.
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- I would just love to be able to buy a cellular watch
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in Italy, which is still not available.
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And I don't think the Sears 3 watch
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will ever be cellular here at this point.
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I'm pretty sure they originally said
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come in a few months later, but you know, months have passed.
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- Have they actually expanded the cellular connectivity
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anywhere outside of the original?
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No, I don't think so. No.
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Yeah. Interesting.
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Some other weird... This is interesting. This is weird news. Interesting news. Foxconn, the company that makes Apple's phones,
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has acquired Belkin for
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$866 million. This acquisition includes Belkin and their subsidiary companies Linksys,
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Wemo and Fin. Never heard of Fin before, but it's like a smart plumbing thing which can detect leaks and stuff like that.
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Is that a thing? It's it's actually so as a site maybe this is in a house that has
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Plumbing that's made of tears and sorrow, but this yeah, it's actually pretty cool
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Like you put it
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I think it's your water meter and it can detect like flow coming in and check for leaks and all this stuff like it
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Is cooler than it sounds being a smart plumbing device
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What I didn't know in this is that Belkin owned Linksys I that totally like I totally missed that
00:51:22
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Didn't know that Eva. I knew we mo but I didn't know about links this no
00:51:27
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I just wanted to say in terms of acquisitions we don't remember. Do you guys remember that
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Mozilla now owns Pocket?
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Every time this comes up it's just a joy for me again. Or what about the fact that Pinterest
00:51:40
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owns Instapaper?
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Oh, you're right!
00:51:42
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Both of those services found weird and wonderful homes, didn't they?
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Foxconn have said in a statement that the plan for them is to more aggressively expand
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the Belkin set of brands in the US. They consider them premium consumer products and smart home
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devices. These are the things that they're going to focus on. The thing that I find so
00:52:02
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fascinating about this, like basically everybody else, who better to make cases and charges
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than the company that actually makes the phones? I kind of can't believe this is allowed to happen.
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Like it is incredibly uncompetitive. I guess this is kind of one of those things where like
00:52:21
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nothing can happen about it really because they're not like it's not the same market right like Fox
00:52:30
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Con have just acquired a company that they you know that oh and they're also just lucky enough
00:52:35
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that Apple give them phones to make and now they have the plans I mean I have no idea what Apple
00:52:41
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might say about this like Apple might ask for ring fencing for example between the companies
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not that it will matter really though like you know you can ask whatever you want but what but
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There's just no, I mean, there's no way that Foxcom will not be able to make things faster
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than Belkin could make them before. Especially when, I mean, Belkin was already seemed to be a
00:53:00
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blessed partner like Logitech, you know, in some ways. Like they made some of the weird lightning
00:53:06
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adapters when the headphone thing went away. So, but it is, it is like super, like, I feel sorry
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for everybody else, you know, like I feel sorry for like the Mophies of the world and people like
00:53:16
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that because it's just like well Belkin's gonna just destroy you now
00:53:20
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because they're just gonna be ready immediately plus they have Foxconn
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behind them right which is like the biggest manufacturer technology
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manufacturing house in the world. Foxconn may have been already
00:53:31
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building stuff for Belkin like I don't know how close the two companies were.
00:53:34
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Foxconn builds stuff for lots of companies. The way it's described is like a city right like
00:53:39
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it's not even like a factory. They're gonna edit this podcast
00:53:42
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honestly. No. Now they're gonna make both accessories for Mophie and Anker and
00:53:47
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and also their own stuff. They're gonna be like, you know, when you when you hear
00:53:51
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those stories at the restaurants they're gonna be spitting in the in the plate of
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Mophie secretly. I nearly, I just nearly destroyed my microphone with water
00:54:03
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because I had no idea where you were going with that and we got very close to
00:54:07
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spectate town. They're just gonna put like bad battery juice into the stuff.
00:54:12
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Yeah, it's a shame these things keep exploding. There is an angle to this
00:54:20
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that is, it's a little weird to talk about, but I think it's worth
00:54:24
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talking about. In the US, Huawei right now is like basically being banned.
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Like they can still sell in the US. The FTC has not revoked their license to
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to sell cell phones.
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- This is such a weird story.
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- All major carriers have dropped their agreements
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with Huawei.
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Best Buy, like if you're not in Best Buy,
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you're in trouble.
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Best Buy has dropped Huawei, their notebooks,
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their tablets, their laptops.
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And now the federal government,
00:54:56
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the US Congress is working on a bill
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to say that Huawei devices cannot be used
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by government employees for work.
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So like, if you work for, I don't know,
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the Energy Department, back when we had one of those,
00:55:08
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you get a BlackBerry, and then maybe you got an iPhone,
00:55:11
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you know, years later, and now they're saying,
00:55:14
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well, you can't have a Huawei phone.
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It's believed that Huawei and the Chinese government
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have some sort of like, relationship
00:55:20
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the US government doesn't approve of.
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I don't really know the details,
00:55:23
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I don't wanna just like, talk off the hip about that.
00:55:28
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But, they're, you know, Lynx is making like,
00:55:31
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network equipment and stuff, Foxconn may run into an issue where the US government or parts
00:55:39
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of the US population all of a sudden don't trust them because they're being operated
00:55:44
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by a Chinese company. Unfortunately, that's just a very real thing right now. I'd seen
00:55:50
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some comments about that on Twitter, that are they going to run into regulatory issues
00:55:55
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or public trust issues the way Huawei has.
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I don't know, I think Foxconn's in better shape
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than Huawei in that regard.
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And honestly, I think most people don't know who Foxconn is.
00:56:06
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And because Foxconn, my understanding is
00:56:10
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that Linksys and Belkin, they're gonna remain
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their own brands, at least for now.
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And so it's not like you're gonna walk into a Best Buy
00:56:17
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and buy a Foxconn-branded charger, right?
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In reality, all these devices may be being built
00:56:24
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Foxconn behind the scenes, but they're going to remain like separate. So I don't know if
00:56:28
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it's going to be a problem or not, but it's something that has sort of been part of the
00:56:31
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conversation. Have I ever told you guys that when I was a kid, so I, when I was like really
00:56:37
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young, like six or seven or up until eight until I think we started, we started studying
00:56:44
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English in elementary school in the third or fourth grade, maybe I thought, so I didn't
00:56:51
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no English at all. And I thought that Made in China was a brand. And so I would, because
00:56:57
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I used to read Made in China on labels and stuff.
00:57:04
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My favorite clothing brand is Made in China.
00:57:10
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Yes. Stuff like that. I was like, oh, this is Made in China.
00:57:16
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That's like the joke from Friends, right? I think it's Friends. Like, why do so many
00:57:20
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bad things happen at the place called Gunpoint, right? Like a man was killed while being held
00:57:25
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at Gunpoint. There's a bank robbery at Gunpoint. It's just that kind of idea. Made in China,
00:57:31
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everybody's favorite clothing brand. That's wonderful, man. I absolutely love that.
00:57:35
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That's really funny.
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gripe's section here. Federico, do you want to go first to talk about some issues you've
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been having with the HomePod?
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>> Sure. So since I got the HomePod and then the second one, I couldn't use the personal
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request feature at all. And initially I thought that it was just a problem with third-party
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SiriKit apps, that I wasn't able to use them because I was on the iOS 11.3 beta and that
01:00:31
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it was just a beta problem. But then last week I got really annoyed because I... not
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even the basic stuff like setting reminders, like the Apple native reminders or reading
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my messages, none of that stuff worked. And so I spent a couple of days doing research
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and trying to understand how the personal requests feature worked.
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And I saw on Reddit and on the Apple Discussions forum board, I saw other folks having the
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same problem of, I turn on personal requests, but it doesn't work.
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And my problem was slightly different in that the iPhone kept asking me for authentication
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As soon as I spoke a request that involved reminders
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or messages, I got a notification on my phone
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saying Siri would like to help with reminders.
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And then when I tapped the notification,
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it would open the Siri UI on my iPhone and on my iPad,
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and it would just give me an error, something like,
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I'm sorry, I cannot help with that.
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And so that was useless.
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And initially I thought, well,
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this is just an iOS 11.3 beta problem.
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I should downgrade one of my two iPads to the stable version of iOS 11.
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So I went back to iOS 11.2.6.
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I set it up from scratch again.
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And of course, in the meantime, I should say I had already tried to reboot, reset the HomePods
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I didn't log out of my iCloud account because that was just annoying.
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But then when I did the downgrade on my small iPad Pro, of course, I started from scratch.
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backup, new iCloud login, everything was new. I tried again, still didn't work. I got a
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Siri notification again as soon as I tried to ask a reminder question. I tapped the notification
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and this time the reminder was being created. So that was progress, but of course still
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no HomePod only functionality. And eventually I gave up and then I came back the other day
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and I realized, you know, I first set up HomeKit when it launched with iOS 8, iOS 9, anyway,
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years ago. And I realized, you know, maybe something is wrong with my HomeKit configuration.
01:03:04
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not only was the HomePod not working with personal requests, everything else was fine
01:03:09
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by the way, controlling my own HomeKit devices, playing music, just the personal request stuff
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was not working. And the personal request is tied to a device and is tied to my Apple
01:03:21
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ID. Because Apple says so...
01:03:23
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So you were thinking that one of the many betas that you've been on over the years may
01:03:28
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have kind of like screwed something up somewhere.
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- I thought something is wrong with my HomeKit setup
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and the authentication that connects HomeKit
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with my Apple ID.
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Because HomeKit remote access was not working for Sylvia,
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and she's a guest of my HomeKit configuration
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with family sharing.
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So there was a common thread between
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personal requests not working,
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my HomeKit setup, and remote access for a guest
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that is also not working.
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And the thing in the middle was my Apple ID
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and my HomeKit setup.
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So it was either one of the two things,
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either I delete my Apple ID,
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so I delete my iCloud account and I make a new one,
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which of course was not an option,
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or I delete my home configuration from the home app
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and I create a new home from scratch,
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which means I re-add all of my devices,
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I recreate all of my automations,
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I recreate all of my scenes, basically everything from scratch again, which I did.
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And of course, that was the problem that fixed all of my issues.
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Somehow, sometime in the past, I don't know when along the way of the many, many
01:04:45
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videos that I installed, something went wrong.
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I my Apple ID was not given, I guess, the proper authorization to HomeKit to perform
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personal requests on the HomePod,
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or to give Sylvia proper remote access.
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And now everything is working again.
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But I want to call out two things that I noticed.
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Of course, recreating everything from scratch is bad.
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It sucks, it's terrible.
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And I wish that the world,
01:05:17
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maybe this is the common theme of this mini topic.
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There have to be better troubleshooting,
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solutions that do not involve delete everything and start from scratch again.
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But also I was able to appreciate the way that Homebridge, the custom HomeKit
01:05:37
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plugin I ran on a Raspberry Pi, the way that it works. Because all the
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accessories that were previously set up with Homebridge, I didn't need to add
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those manually one by one. All I needed to do was to scan the fake QR code that
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Homebridge gives you and all the accessories were imported.
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Again, I just needed to assign them to a room.
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I didn't need to scan to any custom HomeKit codes.
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I just needed to scan one of them because Homebridge is the bridge, is the single
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bridge that contains all of the accessories.
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So that was really convenient.
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I just want to say that we're going to talk about this, like because I know Steven, you
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have some stuff too, but and I agree that like, you know, better troubleshooting tools,
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whatever they might be would be good.
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But it is worth appreciating yours very specific.
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So like such set of circumstances that you believe led you to this route,
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which is installing iOS betas over many years
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when they were just developer betas. Right.
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I know. I know.
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Like, you know, I totally get what you're saying that like
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it would be really great if someone could just tell you
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that was what you had to do rather than you just hoping and assuming
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and guessing you might need to.
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But this probably if that was the reason like if you're
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if your hypothesis was correct, like, I don't think it's fair to us to say that they have
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to like, fix that because well, you do that at your own risk.
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Yeah, I know. And that was probably the cause, honestly, like all the betas, all the resets
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and the, you know, all the changes that are gone through first developer beta, public
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beta, stable version, developer beta again, that messes things up.
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It's funny that it just happened now though, right? Like what changed?
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I don't know. I don't know. I suppose it's the way the personal requests work. The feature
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needs to see one device on your local network, but the Apple ID needs to be the same. The
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same Apple ID on the connected device, so my iPhone, and the Apple ID that the HomePod
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was set up with originally. So I just assumed that the problem was there and between deleting
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my iCloud account and deleting the HomeKit configuration, I just went with the HomeKit
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option. Which is annoying.
01:07:58
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You mentioned deleting your account. How far would you have to go before you would do that?
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Oh no, no way. I would have kept not using personal requests.
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Yeah. I don't, I mean...
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Can you think of anything? It's like, this is a difficult question, but like, is there
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anything that like you need so bad like this tied to your Apple ID that if it
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didn't work you would delete it all and go over it? I have an example it's not
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something that is not working but I don't know if you've seen what our
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friend Shahid has been going through with his Apple ID. Yes. All the security
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issues that have been going on with his Apple ID someone is trying to break into
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his iCloud account for years now and it keeps... Yeah and it's almost every couple of
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days Shahid's iCloud account gets locked. It gets locked and he's been contacting Apple
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support, it showed us messages and they are unable to fix this problem for him.
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And in that case, I mean, Shahid is very patient, he's been keeping up with these
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problems, I wouldn't be able to do the same. I would just delete my
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Apple ID and create a new one and be done with it. That is a very good example.
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I wouldn't be able to deal with what Shahid is dealing with either, but he has
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the patience of a saint so he can deal with it. But I know that I wouldn't be able to,
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so yes, I would have nuked it out of orbit a long time before.
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Steven, you've been having some Apple Notes problems?
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Yeah, so I store a lot of stuff in Apple Notes. I've got a couple hundred notes in there easily.
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And a couple weeks ago, I went to add a PDF to a note, drug it in there, not a big PDF,
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like three or four megs, and I come back later and I notice on the Mac the little spinner
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in Notes, a little activity indicator is still spinning,
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like hours later.
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It's like, oh, that's weird, so I pick up my iPad
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and realize that not only is that new Note not there,
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but I have a lot of things that have stopped syncing,
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that the Mac has stopped sending changes to iOS devices.
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iOS devices could still send changes to the Mac.
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It wasn't completely broken, but it was partially broken.
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- Do you remember this happened to me
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when 11 came out, this happened to me.
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So I kind of went through and made a sort of a list of, OK,
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these are the notes I know that I'm going to lose these changes.
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I went to System Preferences and to iCloud.
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I unchecked the note sync, restarted the computer,
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rechecked the note sync, same problem.
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It pulled down old data.
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It would not be in sync with my iPhone and iPad.
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And what ultimately fixed it was completely signing out
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of my iCloud account.
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And the problem with that is that the iCloud credentials
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are tied to all sorts of stuff, right?
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Like not only my address book and my calendar,
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but a bunch of sync data, and my entire photos library,
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and bookmarks, and some files on iCloud Drive,
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and on, and on, and on.
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Signed out, rebooted, signed back in.
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Notes is syncing now, but now I have all this other stuff that's
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missing or halfway broken because iCloud
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got disconnected from it.
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My photos library, which has-- oh gosh,
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I don't even know-- something like 40,000 images in it
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just had to re-download, but crawl through the entire library
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to make sure that the Mac and iCloud were in sync.
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And it just is maddening.
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That little note toggle should fix this problem.
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And to back up even further,
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Apple, you should have alerted me
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when something fell out of sync.
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Like, it should not be on me to notice,
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oh, this is still spinning for some reason.
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Oh no, I have two dozen notes that have at some point
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over the last couple days fallen out of sync.
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That should not be on the customer to see that.
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back in the day with like iDisk sync,
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you can make fun of it,
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but Apple would pop up an alert on the Mac
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and say, "Hey, we have a conflict.
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"What do you want us to do?
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"Do you wanna keep the local copy?
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"Do you wanna keep the server copy?
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"Do you wanna keep both?"
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Now I'm not suggesting they do that in Notes,
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but there should be some sort of notice that,
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hey, your stuff has stopped syncing for some reason.
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Something has gone wrong,
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and there's no mechanism for that.
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It's just up to me that I noticed it,
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and it wasn't a huge deal.
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like the couple things that I lost,
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like I knew what I had changed, it wasn't a big deal.
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But what would have happened if I had added a PDF
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for like a flight or a hotel reservation
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and then I travel with just my phone and my iPad
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and then I realize I don't have that information.
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Like it really makes me think about trusting Notes
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because like this should be solid.
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And Notes is solid until it fails
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and then it fails in a way that's like infuriating.
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So I agree with Federico,
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Like there needs to be some, I don't know what it is.
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Like I'm not smart enough to figure this out,
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but I don't work at Apple on the iCloud team.
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So I don't have to figure it out,
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but there should be some sort of mechanism.
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It's like a Bulletproof way to solve this stuff.
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Like in the Mac, you would think unchecking the notes box,
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that would fix it.
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Like I was like, oh, I'll just uncheck it and recheck it.
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And I'll be golden.
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Like not true.
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I should not have to log out of an account.
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I should not have to recreate an account
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to solve these issues.
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But it seems like again and again,
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when I talk to people with iCloud problems.
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And iCloud is way better than it's ever been.
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I really like a lot about iCloud.
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But when it does act up, the way that you solve it very often
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is just sign out of your account and sign back in.
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And it's easy to say.
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It's easy to give somebody that advice in email or tweet
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or on a podcast.
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But in reality, you could be looking at quite a bit of work
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You'll lose your afternoon.
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You're going to lose your afternoon.
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And then my very expensive iMac Pro on a very fast internet
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connection took four days to like re-sync up my photo library and in that time my photos
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were falling further out of sync and then it all caught back up.
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That's a terrible experience.
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So what was it re-indexing or was it like pulling all the photos down again?
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It was re-indexing so I have it downloaded all local files to the local drive.
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It was re-indexing but in that time it wouldn't see any new changes until it re-indexed.
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It's like what are you doing?
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It's ridiculous.
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This is the thing, like iCloud is getting better.
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Like it is getting a lot better.
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Like a lot of the services that I use,
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the iCloud services that I use, are vastly superior
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than what they used to be.
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And the proof in that is that I actually use them,
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where before I wouldn't use them,
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I would use something else.
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But there is this problem in like so many things
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being tied to iCloud that when something breaks,
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if that is the way that you have to fix things,
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which is to sign in, sign out,
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It can just, it's like a house of cards that like topples down when you do that
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sign out thing.
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Because there are like a million things that need to be changed and need to be
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rechecked and all that kind of stuff.
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Like when I had this problem with my notes, I was sitting down for hours,
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like working out like what notes do I have?
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Where is the source of truth, right?
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Like because I didn't want to lose any data because I didn't know how much data
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So I went to iCloud.com and it wasn't all there, but it was all on my iPhone.
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So it's like, well, what do I do?
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And like, it was just a case of like checking and unchecking on many different
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devices until like I did enough of this that it ended up going to the right place.
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But there, there just doesn't really seem to be a way to deal with it, which is a,
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which is a frustration.
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And it's strange because on the Mac, you can still, if you, if you want to, and if
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you know where to look, you can still do things like manually delete caches, for example,
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which you cannot do on iOS. Or you can delete all the application support files and all
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that junk. You cannot do the same on iOS. So the Mac still gives you the ability to
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debug manually things or to get rid of, you know, these files that can cause problems
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in the long term, but you don't have the same kind of manual nerdy and advanced controls
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for iCloud which is frustrating. So yeah, there should be more manual stuff for people
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that know what they're doing without having to go to the Genius Bar or log in out of their
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accounts and back in again.
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I mean, I will forever and a day give my number one example of this is the Apple Watch. That
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like, if something gets screwed up, the only thing you can do is go to a Genius. Like they
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will not let you plug it into a device and reset it, which is wild.
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It's even more basic like that. Like I have this problem routinely where my watch will
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stop sending, it's doing it right now actually, if I reply to somebody via iMessage, it sends
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as an SMS for my watch. And if I'm on, say the other day I rode my bike to run some errands,
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I left my phone at home and took my cellular Apple watch with me, and I dictated text to
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and it's sent as an SMS, which is like,
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it's not a big deal, but it's like,
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I don't know how to fix it.
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Like I can sign in out of iMessage, I've done that,
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I've rebooted everything.
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Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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And that's what's so frustrating
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about Apple software and services.
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And again, I wanna balance this with iCloud,
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and this stuff is better than it's been in a long time.
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Like iCloud is really solid for most things.
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But when things do go wrong, 'cause things do go wrong,
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It's like this black box.
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There's no way on iOS on my phone to be like,
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hey, toggle iMessage on and off just on the watch.
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Or like, it's just one of those things,
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like I guess it'll get fixed at some point,
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or I'll reboot my watch one day, or the battery will die
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or something, and it'll work again,
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and then one day it won't.
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Like I'm left to the whims of what it wants to do.
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- Well I guess the only thing that we can do now
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is to uncheck and recheck this podcast,
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and then we can come back happier next week, right?
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That's how this works?
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Can we log out of a podcast?
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- Well, let's try.
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Come on, Steven, log us out.
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- We're gonna go up to the Apple menu and select log out.
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But first, I wanna thank our sponsors this week,
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I wanna tell you how to get in touch.
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If you wanna find an email address for us,
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or more importantly, the links
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to all the stuff we've talked about,
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you can do so on the website,
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relay.fm/connected/186.
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that number keeps getting bigger and bigger really every week. I guess that's how that
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works. It goes up by one every week, which is so
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fascinating. We can make this a daily show. Let's not do that. If you want to find Federico
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and talk to him about HomeKit on Twitter, you can do that at @Vittici. And of course,
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he is the editor in chief of the glorious MacStories.net. If you want to talk to Myke
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about how the Apple Pencil is useful to you or not useful to you, you can do that on Twitter
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at I-M-Y-K-E and if you want to tell me how awesome I am at doing this outro you can do
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so. I'm on Twitter as @ismh and I write 512pixels.net. If you like nerdy podcasts we have lots of
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options go to relay.fm/shows. I promise you, you will find something else to love besides
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connected. There's lots of good stuff there. And yeah, I think that's it. So, until next
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time gentlemen, say goodbye. Adios.