The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I'm actually fighting with a fly in my [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► order your market with here the fly [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► later [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► that's right trying to track down and [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► kill this file i'll get it eventually i [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► feel like i have to have to take a break [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► from the show for me 200 down but anyway [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► going to lend you an ipad 2 forgot about [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► oh god that's old-school good this talk [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► amongst yourselves for a moment I will [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► kill or shoot this fly out of the room [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► needs to be done [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► I'm this slide this fly did not want to [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► leave did not want to die had how'd you [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► convince it did you argue with it until [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► I realized it was wrong I would have [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► killed if I could fuck a lot of stuff [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► going on land [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► I was trying to get it to leave the room [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► so I was turning off the lights in this [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► room and turning on bright lights [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► elsewhere to try to lower it out if you [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► want you can be talking about definitely [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► leave immediately its truth just bore it [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► out of the room [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► no flies love destiny so afraid of the [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► show David nyan wrote in and he has [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► opinions about universal remotes and [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► things of that nature of super duper [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► frame Damien yeah one of our backup [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► application that you should use or [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► equivalent to make multiple backups of [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► your stuff anyway I think he just he's [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► not talking about universal remotes I'm [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► sorry talk about CC yeah it he has a [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► very all have been a proponent of the [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► spend a lot of money to solve your [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► electronics problem solution which is [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► one possible solution i've never been [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► particularly a fan of it because I feel [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► like I'm sure no no matter how not [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► because i don't want to spend a lot of [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► money on things I've ever really [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► expensive TV but I feel like no matter [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► how much money you spend it will still [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► never work right and you'll feel worse [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► if you spend a lot more money but anyway [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► he's happy with his setup he has been [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► awesome stuff and he has a bang and [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► olufsen TV which itself acts as like the [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► hub for everything is like six hdmi [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► inputs and built-in sound system that [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► you can connect like 18 speakers to the [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► TV and it does wireless stuff and [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► integrates with like home control [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► systems you can raise and lower your [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► Brian lines and turn on your lights and [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► security cameras i call all the rich [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► people stuff than you would imagine [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► and because the TV itself is the hub for [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► all the stuff you don't have a situation [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► like Casey described last time above the [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► universal remote having to track the [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► state of all your devices and if it gets [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► out of sync that's very confused the TV [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► knows the state of everything because it [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► is the hub for everything and it can you [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► know sense when it's getting input on [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► different things and the speakers hooked [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► up directly to the television so it [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► takes a lot of the guesswork and they [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► have all these fancy pants things where [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► you can take all your equipment that's [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► big and noisy and put in the basement [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► and connected with a big ethernet cable [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► up to your system upstairs you can hide [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► all the stuff it all all the the things [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► that you would spend thousands and [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► thousands of dollars for course the [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► downside of this is you have to at the [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► very least have this big fancy bang & [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► olufsen TV and some other proprietary [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► components that go with it and thinking [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► Olson doesn't really make the tvs that's [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► that's the problem right so I the [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► television that I have at the time that [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► i bought it how do i bought a fancy bag [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► and also thing i would be getting a [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► worse television set terms of picture [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► quality in exchange for all the other [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► stuff so i'm still stuck because of my [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► priorities buying individual components [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► and slapping them together and trying to [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► make do with it but if you're willing to [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► compromise on not having the absolute [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► very best of every individual component [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► you can buy an integrated solution for [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► tremendous amount of money that I don't [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► think it's worth it but you'll be happy [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► together by another solution i was [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► asking a while back and Twitter of the [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► best solution for we talk about the show [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► for me to get the video off of my [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► blu-rays without recompress in it just [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► preserve exactly bit for bit the way it [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► is in my blu-rays and then playback my [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► television without having a spinning [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► plastic disc that's making pretty isn't [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► that'll do know there but remember I was [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► the issue was playback I can't get 24 [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► frame 24 frames per second cadence [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► playback I'd oh yeah [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► Long's anyway we talked about that a [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► show which none of us will be remember [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► in the show notes but anyway one of the [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► rich person solutions that as those [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► boxes they sell that I think is that [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► technically legal biggest someone paid a [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► lot of money to the blu-ray association [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► where you by the super expensive box and [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► you feed it either all your blu rays in [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► a big box or one at a time and it [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► basically rip your blu rays for you lost [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► unless you play them back [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► but it does it in a way that like [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► complies with the letter of the law I [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► don't know whatever it's not a pirate [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► saying it's entirely legal thing but is [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► tremendously expensive and it's just [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► that it's like outside the amount of [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► money i'm willing to pay for that i'll [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► just stick the disc and DVD but in the [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► blu-ray player and deal with the [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► spinning disk noise at this point but [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► hopefully we'll get there eventually [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► wear clothes like that were really close [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► the only barrier remaining is me not [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► having a way to play that content back [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► on my television preserving the correct [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► you know from reading everything without [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► doing a spinning disk i should point out [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► that i have achieved eighty percent of [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► this guy i also would have the same [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► problem with 24 frames a second but I [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► don't care you don't think I have [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► anything of that right and I usually [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► watch TV shows but III rip the entire [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► wire blu-ray set and it was very very [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► easy with modern tools because all I had [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► to do was use make MKV to rip blu-ray [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► and then sub-layer to basically rewrap [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► it in an mp4 container without having to [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► transcode the video I i believe a [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► transfer the audio because i don't care [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► about surround sound please email john [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► and your modified it already [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► yeah well who cares but that's optional [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► you could have left the the giant like [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► ac3 and DTS tracks on there if you [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► really wanted to but I don't even have [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► surround speakers anymore because I [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► decided years ago they weren't worth the [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► hassle so anyway so i was able to rip [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► the entire TV series with with sub layer [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► and make MKV in surprising little time [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► and just like this like this roughly [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► hundred-dollar USB 3 blu-ray drive that [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► i thought i had in the closet from [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► little while back and yeah it works [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► great and now I play them in flex and [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► it's you know that so it has all the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► metadata from flex somehow magically [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► through some probably not quite legal [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► service and it's great i absolutely love [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► it and it's it's it's way faster and [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► more reliable and way better quality [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► than the HBO GO [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► now many at whatever it is the HP mini [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► app on TV it's way better than that way [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► better quality no dropping frames issues [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► so it isn't dirty it wasn't a problem [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► that they write anything as a problem [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► with HBO sucking and yeah [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► overall a great solution to watch any [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► kind of HBO show [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► by the blu-rays and rip them all and it [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► actually works surprisingly well that's [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► what I do with the content i don't [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► actually care about my character I [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► needed to be the highest possible [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► quality so yeah I have tons of stuff [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► complex i have tons of things that are [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► you nope but for the things I care about [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► I want the very best quality and that's [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► still putting the disc in a little Drive [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► wait a minute those so the only [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► limitation of what I was just saying is [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► possibly audio does if the appletv can [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► output whatever DTS whatever over the [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► optical port then you wouldn't have any [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► quality problems right [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► optical bored you can do it over hdmi if [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► it's it smart enough a lot a lot of the [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► applications won't send the unmodified a [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► audio like they won't send the DTS HD [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► stream directly to my receiver they just [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► want to do it even better flex would our [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► this probably an opportunity plaques and [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► infuse it depends on which one is in the [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► best mood or like it the d/s video app I [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► have many options to do it but really [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► this video because that the most of the [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► content really care about mostly talking [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► about movies and they're 24 frames per [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► second that's a dealbreaker I can't get [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► that to my TV any other way [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► yeah and then thats indefinitely [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► hardware issue right either you don't [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► have any any TV boxes that run software [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► that could play movies and without put [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► the right signal it's not hardware and [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► software like Apple TV could be changed [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► in such a way to output 24 frames per [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► second cadence video is not you know my [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► playstation 3 can output that that's [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► what I put the blu-ray into right [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► I've even tried putting the putting the [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► video files on the playstation 3 and [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► having it do it but I still can't get [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► that to work either so the only time I [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► playstation 3 outputs in this way is one [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► is playing a blue right the the apple TV [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► is always locked it you know 60 [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► frames-per-second whatever it's [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► outputting out and just ran you know we [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► went to this in the past yeah so it but [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► I had nothing we can do it is no [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► technical reasons like things are [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► powerful enough for whatever a lot of [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► people have your televisions than mine [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► they can do the you know the one called [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► the detecting the cadence and accounting [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► for and everything but I've run all the [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► video test and it just nothing can get [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► 24 frames per second out there except [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► for my blu-ray player so that's what i [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► keep using my next set up hopefully [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► we'll be able to do it if not it's not [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► the end of the world like a blu-ray [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► players like it's not a thing i do [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► frequently and it's only for a small [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► subset of movies so just keep sticking a [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► discount [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► although my solution doesn't have fan [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► noise either but you're missing out on [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► the things that John's eyeballs can't [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► even see if you don't know that he's [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► missing out on it i can see them but a [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► couple thoughts are mostly on what I [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► market said I'd like to completely agree [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► with him about making MKV it is [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► wonderful especially as paired with if [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► you're willing to recompress stuff down [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► mountains compression scripts which [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► we've talked about the past and i [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► believe i've written a post about at [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► some point or another if I have put in [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► the show notes [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► oh yeah those are awesome but the bit [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► like nowadays like its I mean Rican [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► pressing blueberries is a pretty is [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► still even a modern hardware still a [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► very computer intensive pretty long [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► running process and you can just run [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► them in a batch overnight but still it [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► still takes a lot and if you have any [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► way to use three-and-a-half-inch hard [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► drives as your storage yeah so anyway [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► whether that's external drive in your [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► desk or an ass in the closet full of [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► discs whatever-it-is [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► three-and-a-half-inch hard drives are so [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► massive and cheap these days that looks [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► like you just have like basically [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► infinite storage space if you can use [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► those dr somehow and so I just you know [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► what these days I ripped the heart [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► rhythm all from blu-rays and the whole [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► wire series is 560 gigs from the [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► principal and it doesn't matter if [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► possible most feature films are 30 or 40 [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► cakes i think something like that and [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► the wires considerably longer than that [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► and to go back one more step you are [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► talking and I know you said it jokingly [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► about Osama legal way that lets get some [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► metadata I don't believe it's legal at [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► all they don't use a IMDb which I [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► presume is for some sort of Licensing [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► reason or something but they do use the [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► TV database which is the TV b.com and [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► the movie database which is the movie [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► DVD org and we'll put those links in the [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► show notes [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► those are less geared around browsing in [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► my opinion who did what and when and [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► more about getting metadata about films [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► which is probably why plex uses it but [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► they are to the best of my knowledge [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► completely legal [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► what about like all the copyrighted [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► material on them is that like it was [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► weird grey areas or is it that you mean [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► like the google image search for movie [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► posters and rest shove them in there [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► probably not really oh that's true [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► actually [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► didn't think about that I don't know but [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► anyway anything else on video and that [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► sort of thing we have one other piece of [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► follow-up real quick though I do have a [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► quick bit of follow-up on my hdmi-cec [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► situation [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► mmm the setting was off i told you so [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► huh that's the KC KC debug your problem [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► you're right yeah I I hadn't checked I [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► didn't even know you could turn it off [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► so I hadn't checked it and it was on [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► what like it worked for months [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► somehow it turned off it's pretty deep [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► in settings i'm pretty sure i would have [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► accidentally done that since I never go [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► to settings screen but a matter maybe it [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► maybe one of the software updates [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► might've turned it off i don't know what [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► are the features of CC is they can take [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► in turn off CC goodness gracious [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► alright the last piece follow-up we have [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► from friend of the show Matt Bischoff [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► John I think especially was talking last [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► episode about what ingredients are in [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► what I screams and yells hey it's in [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► John's opinion if i recall correctly [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► said there should only be a handful of [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► ingredients they need in any true [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► indecent ice cream and Matt Bischoff has [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► done a survey of many of the popular ice [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► cream brands we've mentioned and even a [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► couple of others and put together an air [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► table which is the site i've never heard [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► of before but it's very cool [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► I'm it looks like basically a a Google [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► sheet or Excel spreadsheet if you will [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► but also a little bit more than that and [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► so you can see all the different [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► ingredients matt has included the [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► ingredients ingredients count calories [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► per serving serving size colors program [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► and even links because he is that [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► thorough is there anything that guy [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► doesn't to pretty much perfectly i doubt [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► it but anyway worth checking out John [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► now that you've seen this any opinions [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► on any of the stuff a lot of people [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► wanted to write in and tell me why all [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► those ingredients are in there [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► I know why they're in there [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► unfortunately the list of ingredients [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► doesn't tell you what i really want to [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► know which one should emphasize last [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► time is how much of this stuff right so [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► the things that we're talking about that [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► are not things that you would put an ice [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► cream that you making your own house [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► with your ice cream maker which by the [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► way is really easy and everyone should [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► do it doesn't take a lot of room you [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► should get one they're fun is there [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► putting ingredients to make it so that [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► when the ice cream thaws and then [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► refreezes you don't get those big chunky [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► ice crystals you ever do that if you [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► with any way I from the star whatever [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► like it was a little bit and like are [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► here if your refrigerator [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► our freezer like you could leave the [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► door open or something or the power goes [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► out for a long time everything kind of [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► like melts a little bit but then [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► refreezes and then you take this year I [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► got you can tell that it's melted and [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► refrozen and I someone can find a [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► physics video in youtube explaining how [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► like the the ice crystals with the water [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► separates from the non motor parts then [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► informs larger ice crystals and taste [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► all crunchy and gross and you don't like [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► that bet egg yolk is one example of like [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► an emulsifier essentially that will keep [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► the things mixed together kind of like [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► how i do can I get a salad dressing will [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► keep the oil and vinegar mixed together [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► it will keep them from separating same [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► thing will keep like the liquid the [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► water from separating from the solid [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► ingredients making the big ice crystal [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► symmetry melts at you some more [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► expensive obviously almost all the other [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► things they put in these various gums [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► and other called stabilizers for [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► stabilizer is because they want to [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► account for the fact the ice cream is [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► going to be shipped from far away in [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► trucks with imperfect refrigeration and [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► it's going to melt and refreeze the [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► melting or freezing melting and [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► refreezing I didn't have the stabilizers [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► in them that it would taste terrible [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► would just be like you know big chunky [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► water sharp ice crystals in there [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► doesn't taste good you want to be smooth [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► and creamy so the cheaper ice creams in [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► addition to this thing of what is it [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► called overrun i forget what the hell is [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► called how much air they blow into it to [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► make you buy air instead of densely [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► packed think that's why haagen-dazs is [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► more dense than regular stuff but anyway [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► setting aside the air thing because some [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► people just like a soft dry ice cream [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► that the cheaper the ice cream the more [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► stabilizer they put in it and they put [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► lots and lots of stabilized to be very [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► resilient to freezing and thawing and [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► they don't have to put in the egg yolks [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► or any other more expensive ingredient [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► in there and it's still you know seems [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► smooth and creamy no matter where you [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► get so not just that there are [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► stabilizers it's how much and the [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► ingredient list doesn't tell you how [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► much but they don't have a mouse just an [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► order by you know the most agree that [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► there's the most of and then the second [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► most and so on and so forth but it [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► doesn't give you numbers and my [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► impression of the really the worst ice [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► cream flavors they have a lot of [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► stabilizers and a lot of other things [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► that affect texture and stuff and that [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► there's more of them that you know i [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► would like it [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► haagen-dazs couple their flavors have [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► some stabilizing but not a lot and as my [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► impression and then other ones that have [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► the exact same ingredient lists tastes [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► like I'm eating [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► I don't foam rubber or something it just [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► doesn't taste right ace natural so [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► that's and this this list like going [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► down to coldstone creamery having 17 [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► ingredients including like ethyl alcohol [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► and artificial flavor whatever that is [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► and triethyl citrate and you know all [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► sorts of other things to that effect the [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► color the flavor and then to of avoiding [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► those ice crystals and everything and [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► what I heard from somebody was it and [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► others Twitter or someone email me or [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► something about how to ask for example [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► how can they get away with not having [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► stabilizers and for example there are no [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► ice cream [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► how can they do that because apparently [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► they own the distribution train chain [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► and their own their own refrigerated [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► trucks they basically make sure that [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► their ice cream never never melts and [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► refuses because if you were to melt and [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► reorganize I've done it [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► we have power outages and stuff it is [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► terrible to count all the ice crystals a [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► four-minute no stabilizers except [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► Regulus which are expensive right so [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► anyway try making your own ice cream try [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► avoiding the ice cream is not that have [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► any stabilizers and but they basically [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► tastes like you're eating a big thing of [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► plastic and you'll be happier [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► yeah i mean just try of traveling the [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► ones whose ingredient sound like jet [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► fuel is basically a good rule here also [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► a quick follow-up a handful of people [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► wrote me to say oh I didn't know that [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► dryers or briars was Edie's where you [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► are and and so on and so forth and and [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► apparently i got myself very mixed up [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► about what's Edie's vs dryers vs briars [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► and so I had commented that the slow [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► churned which I think had I had [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► attributed to dryers the slow turn which [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► is the low fat ice cream is actually my [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► favorite by taste ice cream which I know [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► John really really hates and somebody [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► wrote not only me but ed is ice cream on [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► Twitter to say you know hey what's the [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► story I thought that was a tease and it [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► Edie's where I am I had been confused [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► Andes ice cream is written Edie's is [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► called dryers west of the Rocky [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► Mountains and just FYI it's delicious no [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► matter what you call it I think so thank [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► you tease social media team for [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► correcting my unbelievable faux pas [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► that's one of my least favorite brands [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► of ice cream eating yeah but I should [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► recognize the container with states it's [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► the same drivers just as [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► word on it's kind of like the helmets [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► and best foods made a situation one [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► flavor of ease though is a flavor this [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► ties into last week that I don't think [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► it's available anywhere else that I [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► think tastes pretty terrible and does [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► not taste like it tastes very artificial [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► to me and yet i still find myself eating [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► it was probably bad is that they make a [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► flavor that has basically suppose mixed [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► into the ice cream [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► oh I tried that it's it I found it [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► overwhelmingly like artificial and we're [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► totally enjoyed it totally tastes like [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► you're eating like puffy plastic with [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► some oohs and yes and yet i still find [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► myself eating it so that's like I mean I [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► don't I would never buy willingly but [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► sometimes it appears in the house when [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► it does appear in the house i usually [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► want touchy these at all but that when i [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► will text i would feel bad i would stop [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► myself after a little tiny been put it [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► back but yeah I mean is that that's the [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► draw the Samoans i guess but I repulsed [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► by the ice cream be drawn by the broken [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► cookies are first sponsor tonight is [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► trunk club shopping takes forever and [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► nobody has time for it now it's [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► summertime you probably have solid pair [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► of shorts and swimwear for all your [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► offshore activities and it would be nice [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► to have somebody else pick all these [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► things out for you [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► the trunk club you don't ever have to [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► set foot in a store and you get your [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► very own stylist for free and this is [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► not like a robot stylist that like [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► button icon screen is an actual human [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► being stylish to work with you [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► trunk club makes it easy to look your [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► best in clothes that fit you perfectly [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► handpicked by your own personal stylist [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► go to track club.com / ATP type in your [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► measurements [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► share your likes and dislikes and then [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► your very own stylist picks up close for [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► you from over 80 top brands and they [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► ship them to your door in this box they [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► call truck right so here's how this [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► works you can keep this in front of 10 [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► days try mon feel them out [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► keep what you like and just send back [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► what you don't and they just charge you [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► for what you like it is not just a [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► regular to shop online your stylist is [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► taking the time to understand your [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► unique look and if you live in dallas [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► New York LA Chicago DC you can even go [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► to one of their retail stores com [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► clubhouses to work with your stylist in [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► person for free all this is free service [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► here and you just pay for the clothes [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► now this is not a subscription service [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► you can request them to send you the [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► trunk of clothes at any frequency you [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► want it could be never [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► it could be once a year it could be once [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► a week [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► whatever you want you request them to [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► send you a box of new stuff you up to 10 [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► days to figure out whether you want to [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► keep any of it or not you keep what you [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► want the charging for that you send the [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► rest back and that's it is risk-free [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► there's no subscription fee no auto [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► billing nothing like that i had no idea [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► that wasn't subscription it isn't [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► subscription and it's for men and women [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► by the way so make a statement the next [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► big event in your calendar with a look [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► at handpick just for you and your style [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► get started a trunk club today this is [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► premium clothes expert advice from real [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► human stylists with no word from you go [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► to trunk club com / ATP to get started [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► today once again that's trunk club com / [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► ATP thanks a lot for sponsoring I've [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► done a terrible job with my duties as [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► chief summarizer in chief and I have not [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► done my homework I've pulled a Marco and [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► I apologize to everyone welcome it's [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► nice over here [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► really it was very relaxing i will admit [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► so apparently something has happened [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► with iCloud vs dropbox for Scrivener is [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► that how you pronounce at Scribner [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► sinking and I don't know which one you [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► put this in the show notes but I will [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► kick it over to you to take over my [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► duties and the mantle can guess [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► yeah I figured it was you but I also [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► didn't hear about this this is gonna be [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► a short segment we all right John tell [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► us about Scribner if you please it's my [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► old news and I bring it back up to the [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► top because it ties into our past [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► discussions about a PFS and the cloning [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► of entire directory hierarchies without [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► having to like go down and copy each [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► individual file dressed up to clone a [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► whole tree of the file system in a copy [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► in right manner which is good for apples [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► file formats that are actually folders [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► for files also Scrivener is a word [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► processing application for like it i [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► think design most for writing like books [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► you can have like notes and your [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► outlines and plot summary and character [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► information all tied together with your [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► manuscript the book you're writing and [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► everything and it uses a file format [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► that's also a directory full of files [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► you can have all these different things [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► it's basically like a big project format [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► right and they have a sinking system and [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► they were going to use iCloud apparently [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► but we're not able to because it doesn't [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► provide the features they need to sync [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► directory for files things that they're [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► gonna try to be nice as much sweet love [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► iCloud this is from this webpage link in [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► the show notes current from the script [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► of people themselves current limitations [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► and in the end difficulties with iCloud [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► mean it's not great present [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► not at present suited for the sort of [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► complex package base file format used by [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► scoring you would think it would be [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► totally suited for that because Apple [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► has those file formats to and you know [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► the next operating system and sort of [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► the genesis of those file formats of the [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► popularization of them anyway but no [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► dropbox on the other hand which is what [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► they do use first thing solution gives [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► them the control they need and one of [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► the big complaints but I cloud is they [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► don't know when things will sink it's [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► not as if they can initiate a sink and [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► get notified when it's done things just [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► magically appear behind the scenes in [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► sort of a background manner and that can [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► leave this file format this folder for [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► files in an unknown inconsistent state [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► and so what they say in this blog post [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► about his technical limitations is [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► they'd rather have use complaining they [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► don't like manually sinking then the [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► just lost for hours of writing because [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► of structural changes like you could end [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► up with a document like if you saying [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► you think you're doing your clothes [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► letting your laptop but didn't really [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► finish you got like a half finished [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► document there and that's bad and [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► dropbox apparently gives them the [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► control to sink the whole thing on [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► demand let me know when it's done either [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► have the thing entirely synced or [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► entirely in the previous state clear [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► with apple's new file system that they [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► will have at least on a local side the [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► ability to do these operations [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► atomically but their iCloud api's with [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► the sort of magic [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► oh you don't need to know the details [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► just so there's a folder there and [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► eventually the documents you want to [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► appear everywhere and in the meantime [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► there's like proxy documents that you [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► can get metadata about and so it doesn't [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► work when what you care about is not an [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► individual file but entire directory [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► full of files because apparently that [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► that you know the iCloud Drive and sick [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► people were on the same page with the [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► people writing that are tfd files and [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► text editor maybe doesn't matter when [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► you've got a half-finished rd file may [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► assume it will sink in the rest of the [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► way anyway this is yet another sad story [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► of a developer who desperately wants to [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► use iCloud eventually having to go to a [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► different solution very often developers [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► are all their own solutions or they go a [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► dropbox or something else is sort of the [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► the ongoing failure of [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► icloud to fulfill the even the most [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► basic needs of some of the best [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► developers of mac applications or iOS [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► applications that matter files thinking [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► is your data syncing is hard in general [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► and I think what we see is iCloud Drive [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► and you know it's in other words [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► examples where like when I clad [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► interacts with the filesystem it's not [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► it's not always great [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► it seems like cloudkit and what they've [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► made with cloudkit is able to be really [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► great and you know it with certain apps [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► with certain things that go well they'll [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► be really great but whenever I said [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► interacts with like files on disk that [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► have to existing file system and be [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► interacted with it in other ways as well [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► that is that seems like it's not even [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► there yet and I worry about that a [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► little bit but you know we have other [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► solutions for that we have dropbox we [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► have well drop box and it's and it seems [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► to work well for most people so i guess [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► it's okay now I is located in the in the [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► grand scheme of things but it was kind [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► of sad that Apple is still not really [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► playing well in that game [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► I mean on the individual file basis to [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► have most of this was not the whole idea [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► is the difference between an API where [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► you say please do sink now like even a [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► synchronous API where you say make this [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► call and when the call returns the thing [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► i asked to be done is done that can work [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► on individual file basis and cloud is [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► much more like that and that you have [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► the control over that i'm not sure if [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► they complain about clouds kit [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► specifically for iCloud Drive that [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► doesn't like magically got in the back [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► but all that is on a single individual [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► file there's no sort of like oh this [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► entire tree of files i want you to think [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► all that and tell me when all that is [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► done unless you're going to try to each [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► individual one and then what about files [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► that have been added or removed there's [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► no there's no api for to do things at [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► that level and the related thing that [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► came up today [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► this is about the Sierra beta maybe I [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► shouldn't say who's reporting this [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► because I don't know what you're [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► supposed to say about the Sierra bait is [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► a public beta i don't know i don't know [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► the rules in your but anyway we all know [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► from the keynote that mac OS Sierra has [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► this feature where it will automatically [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► sync your desktop remember that like all [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► the stuff you need to stop between your [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► max and also apparently your documents [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► folder I figure it is when i installed [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► it's like a checkbox or something hey do [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► you want [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► do you want like Apple to sync all the [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► stuff in your documents folder and [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► desktop and I was like hell no discussed [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► in the past likely has done to anyway so [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► someone someone we all know check that [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► checkbox to see what it was like and [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► like bodyguards and especially have one [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► computer like da it's thinking stuff or [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► whatever and at some point it they said [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► all right i want to stop doing that and [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► like uncheck the checkbox and when you [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► uncheck it's like I that you know that [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► the phrasing they use like when you go [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► into the iCloud preference pane and [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► uncheck like contacts or something or [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► whatever and it's like keep in mind that [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► the whatever it will no longer be [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► available on your Mac you know that [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► everything that was like the way they [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► don't want to say we're going to delete [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► your stuff but they're like whatever [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► you're talking about will no longer be [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► available on your Mac or some somebody [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► like that and i don't know if people [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► really know what that means [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► I mean it's kind of it's accurate but it [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► means like your stuff go bye-bye now [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► like it's not gonna be there anything [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► we're going to delete it and and this [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► person who's checking this box like but [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► this is my documents folder surely don't [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► they don't mean they'll remove [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► everything in my documents folder if I [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► check this checkbox right so this person [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► unchecked it and lo and behold the [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► documents everything in the documents [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► folder went away like everything [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► oh now it's not really gone apparently [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► like the system is is scrolling it away [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► in a different location if you know [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► where you can you can you know find it [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► it's still there like and you can make [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► you come back we succinct and all that [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► other stuff but this is probably working [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► like as designed [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► but a this is a terrifying design [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► because i don't think people expected to [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► happen i think people mostly do keep [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► everything that they care about on their [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► desktop in the document soldier if they [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► were to uncheck the checkbox it [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► everything disappeared even if they can [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► get it back by rechecking the the panic [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► and the trust lost by that interaction [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► is terrible and then set the other part [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► of that is if anything does go wrong and [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► you check the checkbox to try to get it [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► back and it gives you back like an old [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► version of the file or something like it [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► which you know could happen because [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► think it's really hard that's going to [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► be just insult on top of injury will be [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► be terrible so I really hope they [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► reconsider this interface and the whole [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► idea [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► this is a series of check boxes that you [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► can check the mixed up with like one of [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► the most important [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► sort of user interface decisions that [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► dropbox made was that the files in [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► dropbox will want to talk about this [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► marvelous dropboxes project infinite [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► which changes this soon but the files in [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► dropbox folder or just plain files on [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► your Mac if you turn dropbox off those [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► files are still sitting on your Mac [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► exactly where they were [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► if you never run dropbox again those [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► files are still just sitting there right [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► there not drop box doesn't like control [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► those files to the point where I go you [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► quit dropbox your entire dropbox folder [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► is empty [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► no they're just files on your disk when [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► you turn dropbox on it looks at it is [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► dropbox folder and sinks the mall and [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► does all this stuff or whatever when you [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► turn it off or if dropbox crashes in the [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► middle [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► everything is just exactly the way it [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► was because they're just real files on [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► your disk and yes that means that if you [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► have five computers all using dropbox [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► you have five individual different [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► copies of those same files and if you [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► installed dropbox from all of them not [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► all five computers have the same files [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► on them but they're just plain files on [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► disk same is true of iCloud Drive but [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► the policy is saying when you uncheck [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► this checkbox the only way we can deal [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► with it is to remove these things from [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► your documents folder from your desktop [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► and blanket out and put them into a [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► different folder even or do anything [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► with them at all other than to leave [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► them exactly where they are is that is [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► the wrong decision even if it works [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► perfectly so anyway [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► Sierra's beta i don't know if this was [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► intended feature a bug anything you know [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► but plenty of Asterix and caveats on [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► this I'm not slamming and release [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► operating system but i really hope when [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► this feature does exist that has a [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► better policy than that and even it [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► doesn't snow on enabling it because i [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► still find a scary [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► yeah i mean i think this is one of those [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► problems where you know but when you [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► have like the the folder full of files [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► that need to be synced there are so many [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► weird little uncomfortable edge cases or [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► areas where you need some kind of [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► administrator tools so for instance any [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► kind of merge conflict or like what [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► dropbox does which we learn about with [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► our with our discussion about filenames [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► apparently like Dropbox will create like [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► a conflict if you have two different [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► unicode encoding to the same name it [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► will just leave them both there and [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► we'll rename one or both of them like [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► naming conflicts or something like that [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► right and what if if you have a merge [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► conflict in dropbox it keeps both or all [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► three files and it just renamed them [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► with parenthesis at the end like [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► no you know conflict version whatever [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► whatever whatever whatever other format [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► they use and these are all kind of ugly [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► solutions to real-world conditions but [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► these are the kind of these are the kind [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► of like ugly results that you kind of [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► can't automate this away in a way that [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► will never lose data for people or that [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► will that will always do exactly what [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► people want to do but Apple tries to so [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► Apple Apple seems like the kind of [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► institutionally allergic to adding in [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► these kind of like administrative [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► ugliness things that even when they have [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► to be there like a case like a merge [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► conflict on file-sharing like a dropbox [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► folder Apple solution is usually we're [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► just gonna guess and hope that we guess [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► right through some kind of heuristics [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► that will probably write most of the [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► time and if that will just deal with it [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► like that will just be the way it dealt [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► with then if you lose data oh well like [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► that seems to be their approach most of [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► the time of these kind of like difficult [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► sync problems but i don't think that [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► works very well in in an environment [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► where you have like peoples files in [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► folders that have always worked a [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► certain with people are accustomed to [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► the people expect and that people will [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► require for their data to be you know [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► there and reliable and intact and [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► everything like apples approach to just [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► where it's going to go into avoid giving [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► you any kind of controls to manage the [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► actual complexity of this problem i [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► don't think that works for files one of [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► the advancements of cloudkit was that it [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► would delegate to the application to [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► make this decision to say college kid [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► will let you know there's a conflict and [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► you'll get this callback and it's up to [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► you what to do about it and you could [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► decide in your application I'm just [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► gonna keep all three copies your name [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► with parentheses write this the [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► situation with the iCloud Drive or [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► whatever the sinking of the desktop [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► stuff is like that's more of a policy [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► decision saying what should we do when [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► we uncheck that box I think the right [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► decision and check that box is just [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► leave everything exactly the way it is [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► on desk and not mess with it anymore but [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► the decision-making is kind of the same [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► decision they make for contacts or and [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► all the other things you can check and [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► uncheck the iCloud preference pane that [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► they well sometimes they act like [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► they're gonna ask you should we remove [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► the ones or leave them on your Mac they [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► should ask the same thing for the [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► documents again we're going to think [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► maybe this is an intentional feature [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► they just haven't gotten around to that [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► to change that dialog box in that way [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► but it just goes to show that there are [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► lots of things that you can do to [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► confuse and frighten the user and [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► perhaps the worst one is making all [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► their stuff apparently disappear [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► universe all safely preserved both [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► locally in a different folder that they [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► renamed and on the cloud that that [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► moment of trust you know you're losing [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► the users trust is going to make them [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► now i'm going to use that product [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► anymore and drop box with the renaming [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► with the garbage house and everything my [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► experiences that happens to people and [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► they don't even notice until like a [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► month later like what is this [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► whatever is conflicted copy file here I [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► don't quite understand that but the [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► reason they didn't notice is because it [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► didn't actually delete anything and [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► always you know fails in a way that [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► gives you extra data extra garbage files [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► like well I've got the file that [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► expected everything to more than I [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► didn't expect that you've got all three [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► versions of the file and if one of them [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► is named differently and you can't [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► figure it out you go there and you sort [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► by name and you'll find there's a bunch [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► of the file similar you'll find your [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► stuff like it won't as opposed to trying [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► to pick the correct file for you or [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► presenting some dialogue for you to [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► choose how to resolve the conflict when [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► you don't have enough information to do [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► that so dropbox solution is not great [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► for a lot of situations where you don't [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► want to making a bunch of garbage files [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► but it's a good choice for just sort of [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► a generic been full of uh you know [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► folders for files without any specific [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► purpose because it you know that their [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► their strategy is the worst thing we can [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► do is lose someone's data uh it's much [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► better to give them a bunch of garbage [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► files into makes them disappear [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► why do you think that Google Drive and [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► like onedrive and to some degree box [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► haven't tried to be that like everything [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► sink engine that dropbox has seemed to [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► become they are trying that it's a [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► different policies like I think Google [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► Drive is very similar to dropbox i [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► haven't actually used one drive but all [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► of them [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► oh all these products including dropbox [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► now with the project infinite thing are [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► dancing around the other trade off like [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► Dropbox thing of a every single files on [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► your on your mac and we will think it [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► and then i added selective sink many [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► years ago where you can choose which [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► files you want to sync [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► dropbox infinite is all right we'll make [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► it look like the files is my [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► understanding and eventually actually [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► use it will make it look like the files [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► on your Mac but really they will be in [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► the cloud which makes a lot of sensitive [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► in a pervasively network-connected [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► office and let you like pin i'm assuming [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► it will let you pin files to your Mac so [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► they don't go away [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► it's it's so you can have basically more [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► stuff in your dropbox then will fit on [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► your Mac or like selective on-demand [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► selective sinks are like your paging in [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► the files from the cloud onto your mac [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► as you use them and as you don't use [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► them they don't need to be on your Mac [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► or you could say never bring this all on [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► my Mac just sort of impacts it over the [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► network is sort of a blending of NFS [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► mounts and dropbox complete copying of [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► files and all the stuff and it does that [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► with a kernel extensions a whole article [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► about it on dropbox think it's it's very [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► interesting but it's a very different [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► trade off the dropbox makes and it's [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► much more dangerous because they messed [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► anything up there [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► bad things can happen like the the [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► reassurance of dropbox like i said is [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► that you can quit the dropbox app never [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► launched it again and everything in that [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► dropbox folder is exactly you know what [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► you see is what's there now those files [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► are fake none of them are proxy files [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► that are all there they're all taking up [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► the space on your Mac you don't have to [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► worry wonder which ones are where and [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► you know you can move things in and out [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► of it they're not constrained in any way [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► they don't have weird permissions on [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► them they're just plain old files and [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► project it takes that away in exchange [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► for your not having to deal with [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► selective sink and have you you know [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► fill up your disk because someone in a [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► share folder put a ton of stuff in there [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► and all sorts of other downsides of the [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► traditional dropbox model but it's a [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► much higher degree of difficulty [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► anything a lot of the other vendors went [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► right for the higher degree of [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► difficulty and never sort of started off [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► as simple as Dropbox advantage tropic [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► has had I think is that you know before [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► selective think it was a very simple [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► user model that people could understand [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► didn't have a lot of features was so [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► simple can be implemented by a bunch of [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► python scripts for crying out loud and I [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► think dropbox built a lot of trust and [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► goodwill with that simple model and now [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► they can expand like as expand to select [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► this think that didn't cause people to [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► flee because it was too confusing to [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► just a tweak of the thing they [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► understood will see a project incident [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► as a bridge too far but I think that's [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► the big advantage that dropbox had that [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► I think big companies like Google [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► Microsoft can't help [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► but immediately implement all the [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► complicated features do you plan on [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► trying dropbox infinite I doubt it [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► I mean I'm I'm not dissatisfied with the [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► plane dropbox I have a lot of disk space [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► i do you select this think sometimes to [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► keep things you know from getting too [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► big they do have some shared folders and [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► I really hate dropboxes policy of like [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► shared folders count towards your quota [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► which is ridiculous because you know [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► they're only starting one copy of the [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► stuff server-side probably won't [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► especially since it uses the colonel [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► extension but i will be curious about it [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► so I don't rule it out [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► yeah i don't i don't actually plan to [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► try it honestly I mean maybe if you know [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► on a laptop i might try it on my main [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► computer i definitely would rather just [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► buy more hard drive space and just suck [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► it up then then run those risks and [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► everything but on a laptop maybe yeah i [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► don't i don't have that much stuff in my [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► dropbox well I have nine gigs available [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► of which I've used a little over half of [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► it so there's something there's what [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► four gigs little more maybe even five [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► gigs in there but it's not that much and [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► even the smallest laptop can grab all of [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► that i'm still on a free dropbox plan i [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► haven't had a need to pay for and i'm [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► not opposed to paying for it i just had [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► the need to pay for it so i actually [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► just started paying for at WTC this year [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► like that's like finally what [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► so what put you over the edge I wanted [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► an easy way to quickly have a backup of [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► the podcast files that we had recorded [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► there and it was just easier than [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► setting up something else at that moment [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► in the in the very brief time but I was [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► sitting in the Fast Ethernet area of [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► moscone well enough and i thought you [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► know what I i kept hitting it because i [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► only had like the regular 2gig limit [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► plus like a couple hundred max woman but [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► I would I kept I kept running into that [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► all the time with just like transferring [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► podcast files back and forth like you [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► know this is video it's about time [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► let me let me actually finally pay for [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► this product that i've been using and [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► running the business on for literally [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► yeah makes sense and i also kinda like [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► the synology has a lot of a cloud sync [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► or something like that which puts a copy [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► of dropbox on this technology just meet [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► as another backup [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► oh I don't know that yeah i think it's [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► called cloud sync there's one of the [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► apps that you can install i'll have to [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► get it get you the name after the show [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► one of the apps you can install [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► basically acts as another dropbox client [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► and so if you wanted to you could have [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► an additional backup of your dropbox [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► sitting on your Synology our second part [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► to this week is zero go to erode [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► comments ter o.com / ATP now imagine if [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► your electricity didn't reach certain [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► parts of the house or intermittent in [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► certain parts of the house that would be [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► ridiculous right but this is the status [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► quo for Wi-Fi with dead zones and [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► buffering effect in far too many of us 0 [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► is designed to change all of this year [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► manufacturers a single device it's a [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► small elegant box of it that the size of [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► an apple TV and it's a Wi-Fi router and [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► the idea is with the help of their dead [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► simple app you put multiple ero devices [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► in your home [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► the first one replaces your router [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► access the regular router you plug in [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► ethernet to it and for your internet [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► connection and you plug into your cable [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► modem or DSL modem and that's it and [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► then you can plug in any number of [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► additional eros just a regular outlets [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► you don't have to wire them to your [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► connection you plug into electric outlet [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► and then they all connect wirelessly to [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► each other and form a mesh network that [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► blankets your home in fast reliable [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► Wi-Fi now the single router model just [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► doesn't work we all notice we've all [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► tried single routers especially many of [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► them that advertised long range or how [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► are covered in a bunch of the antennas [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► and they always say that they're going [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► to cover your whole house and they never [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► did was always low reception zones or [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► slow zones or dead zones always what you [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► need is a distributed system with [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► multiple access points that's 10 gives [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► you it is really fast easy to set up [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► super easy to use the devices is the [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► actual the actually routers are nice and [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► small you don't the wire anything except [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► the very first one to your actual [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► internet connection and they have [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► incredible support if you needed of [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► course it's all encrypted it's all fast [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► it is really a great solution to this [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► problem they recommend 10 for every [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► roughly thousand square feet so typical [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► us home is probably gonna have [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► two or three of them a three-pack of the [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► great starting point check it out today [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► go to 0 comments de ro dot-com / ATP if [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► you enter code ATP you will get free [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► overnight shipping once again [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► eros.com ero calm / ATP and use [TS]

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00:41:26 ◼   ► ATP thanks a lot to ear / sponsoring our [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► show once again apparently hackintosh [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► 'as are still a thing and micron doll [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► just built one and that's about the [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► extent of my knowledge on this on this [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► scenario so John tell us about this [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► yeah don't call it a comeback people are [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► always it came up again because someone [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► didn't have a blog post about it and it [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► as we've been talking about for weeks on [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► the show about how it's basically the [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► wrong time to buy any Mac because [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► they're all locally out of date with the [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► exception of the 5k imac maybe and I [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► guess the little macbook I suppose [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► because that's fairly up-to-date but [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► everything else is just as incredibly [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► old hardware there's been lots of snarky [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► tweets about involvement think someone [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► Marco retweeted somebody saying I used [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► to be that you made a hackintosh to get [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► yourself a cheap mcintosh now you do a [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► hackintosh just so you can run mac OS on [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► hardware that is not insanely outdated [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► like it's not it's not it's not a [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► money-saving move and it's not even like [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► I want to build this amazing beast of a [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► box type of move [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► it's more like I just want to run my [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► preferred operating system on hardware [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► that was made in the past year or two [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► and so that's apple's fault for letting [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► that stuff go by but every time someone [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► builds hackintosh people are amazed that [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► you can essentially build a pc which is [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► what you know [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► marmax are it when you get down to brass [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► tacks in terms of the components for an [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► incredibly small amount of money so this [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► was a 1200 dollar hackintosh it's like [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► Trump's any computer could buy from [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► apple at any price for the most part it [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► particularly galling are things like how [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► cheap the ram can be you know it's not [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► apples to apples i go on the Mac Pro has [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► ECC ram and that's why I cost more money [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► and all these other excuses for why the [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► ram so much more expensive but [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► I will cause we have to be just before [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► the show apple charges thirteen hundred [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► dollars for 64 gigabytes of ddr3 ram for [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► the mac pro you can get 64 gigabytes of [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► ddr4 ram for $275 so that is $275 verses [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► thirteen hundred dollars the same man [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► daram just drop the easy i granted it is [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► DC vs not but that is you know that [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► doesn't fit the price but not that much [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► yeah exactly i mean is it's nonsensical [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► like that the price of the mac pros is [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► crazy pants and well I will say though [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► with with this particular case this [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► particular hackintosh it is not using [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► the xeon it is not using the server [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► chipset is not using ECC ram it is [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► really an imac not a macpro comparison [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► here this and there it is still a good [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► comparison to make [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► however this is not making a very cheap [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► mac pro this is making a very cheap imac [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► but it's way faster than the mac pro [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► though in every measurable way so it [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► doesn't really matter isn't it literally [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► the exact same CPU that sold for in the [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► 5k imac probably on the footpath for the [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► 5k I guess faster than the mac pro like [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► you know except for in massively [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► parallel things we got a 12-core blah [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► blah blah i mean this is a 1200 other [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► computer like agreed however it is it is [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► an insult to the imac not the mac pro [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► yeah well it's an insult to apples [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► entire line and this particular hang out [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► whatever you can find a million [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► different hackintosh builds you can [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► build a decimal point package you can [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► build it anyway you want [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► and so a lot of people have been asking [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► us whether we would ever do a hackintosh [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► or whether this is something we've [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► considered because we've been [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► complaining so much about the outdated [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► apple hardware and I'll speak for myself [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► and say i look at this and it makes me [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► sad about apples product line but I've [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► never really considered making on myself [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► because I don't want to have to deal [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► with any of this stuff that hackintosh [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► is have to deal with they have to deal [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► with a lot of stuff because apple [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► doesn't make an operating system for [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► just sort of any sort of hardware so [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► they have to carefully match their [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► hardware to what apple provides drivers [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► for to what they can get drivers for and [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► come even harder with the driver signing [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► thing and everything [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► lots of features lots of major features [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► just don't work on the packages they [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► haven't figured out how to convince the [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► operating system there to make hardware [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► that is similar enough to Mac hardware [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► the things work with [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► killer one really stood out to me in [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► this particular case off stories they [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► still haven't gotten my message working [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► and that's not like a minor features and [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► that's a big message my message is a [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► pretty like would you like to use a mac [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► book by the way you can use iMessage and [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► forget about all the modern stuff that [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► requires like a handoff continuity or [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► you know the touch ID sensor that will [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► appear on on macbook someday forget [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► about that stuff because there's no way [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► they're gonna be able to that are going [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► to get a to be able to get a secure [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► Enclave from apple and stickers that are [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► peacing out of stuff to work so the [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► amount of things that just don't work [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► then make your Mac not really a mac is a [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► growing list of things and apple not [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► that they're doing it to stop hacking [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► doctors but Apple keeps adding their [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► that list and I just I don't want to [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► deal with any of that I just wanted to [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► work I don't want to do a point update [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► and have my machine not boot because the [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► video drivers don't work anymore i don't [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► have to worry about any of that stuff I [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► just want a really good big fast and I'm [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► willing to pay much more money for the [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► privilege of someone figuring this all [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► I've had time and making me and this [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► would be a nice piece of hardware that [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► works and is it before i get into like [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► how good these boxes are and how much [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► noise they might make and all the other [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► than the fact that the build-it-yourself [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► and like i would i would sooner but [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► build myself a gaming pc then they would [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► hack and Josh like gaming pc have come [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► really close to building many times in [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► my various states of frustration but [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► hackintosh never for me Casey oh what I [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► build withheld oh but you and you build [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► pcs before right [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► oh yeah oh yeah for a long time and [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► basically up until the time I started [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► using thinkpads exclusively which was [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► right before i started using macbooks [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► exclusively which was before I started [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► using the imac I was always building [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► pc's always always always always and [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► I've first one so far out of the game so [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► to speak like I wouldn't even know where [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► to begin like I understand the [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► components that are necessary for modern [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► personal computer but i don't know what [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► what processors are our popular these [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► days I I don't know what memory is the [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► right memory to choose obviously I could [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► figure this out but I just don't have [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► the patience the time or the energy for [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► this is this is a thing especially a [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► computer where I only buy one wants to [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► be like 40 years i would much rather [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► throw money at the problem and just [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► have apple fix it for me that being said [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► the whole reason we're talking about [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► this is because apples doing a very good [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► job of avoiding taking our money [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► well not us maybe more maybe gianmarco [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► and I necessarily but I mean apples [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► really working hard and not updating [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► things except the macbook adorable and [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► to some degree the imac like you guys [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► said earlier like I just what's the [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► holdup [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► I don't get it yeah i mean there was [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► they were there was a very long span in [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► my in my life where I would gladly have [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► built a hackintosh i was building my own [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► pcs at the time and it's just like [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► building a pc with a little bit more [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► hassle but you know I agree with John [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► said that you know in in the era of you [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► know you have driver signing now you [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► have no possible I message hiccups with [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► certain hackintosh setups and and and [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► handoff and stuff being tricky to get [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► working because the various Wi-Fi chip [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► acts they do it seems like we are we are [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► pretty clearly moving towards a point in [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► probably the near future where [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► hackintosh won't work anymore [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► yeah and or at least at least enough [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► features won't work on them that like [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► the the trade-off between pain and the [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► buttery and whatever you're saving or [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► gaining by having one that might switch [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► the other way because as Apple increases [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► the pain in the buttery and limitations [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► and everything else that eventually like [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► it's not worth it anymore or at least [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► for certain people won't be worth it [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► anymore so I just feel like in my in my [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► current my current set of priorities [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► I'm able to trade money for time to a [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► certain degree and when I was younger [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► like when I was in college and high [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► school building these pcs for myself and [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► my friends like we had nothing but time [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► we had very little money so it made way [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► more sense then to build our own pcs and [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► deal with all the massive amounts of [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► headaches and time sinks and crap that [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► we had to deal with two builder and PCs [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► and keep them running and and keep them [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► stable and keep them upgraded like it [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► was a it was a massive time sink for me [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► and my friends but we did it because [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► again that that time money continuum the [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► the balance was different for us back [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► then now [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► I think all of all of us involved back [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► then would all just by a computer you [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► know from apple and just be done with it [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► and and not have to worry about it [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► because quite frankly we don't have the [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► time to worry about it and we do have a [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► little bit of money to spend on them so [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► we can do that instead so it all depends [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► on like you know whether it's worth it [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► to you and as the environment shifts [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► whether it's worth it will shift to in [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► this case like if Apple really does [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► horribly neglect the mac line for longer [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► for a lot longer then i will probably be [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► tempted just to get more performance you [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► know just like it in this particular [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► case I was disappointed to see that the [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► high-end consumer desktop chips that are [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► beating and their platforms are being [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► used in this particular article that the [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► microparticle it's the exact same shape [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► than it that's available in the 5k imac [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► and in the highest figuration the 4 [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► gigahertz sky like I seven like so it's [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► not this was not a case of doing [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► something that apple won't sell you [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► really this was more of a case of just [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► getting what Apple will sell you but for [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► way less money and that's cool and is a [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► huge market for that I totally [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► understand but I don't think the [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► trade-off will be worth it to me and my [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► current state of time versus money what [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► would be worth it possibly in the future [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► is if Apple stop selling the mac pro and [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► for some reason i was ten keep [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► supporting hardware and and then I can [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► like I can get like an 8 or 12 or 16 [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► core high-end xeon workstation running [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► Mac os10 an apple wants anyone that [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► would be very interesting to me but [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► today it's just not i don't know it's it [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► did the balance for me isn't there today [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► yeah I think we're going to get macbook [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► pro another this is unique but I think [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► we're gonna get macbook pro updates [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► before the end of the year and i think [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► there's a decent shot will get a stupid [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► mac pro update before the end of the [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► year I don't think it's dead and he said [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► no fax just a guess I don't think it's [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► dead but I should to go back to [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► hackintosh specifically for a moment I [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► when I was debating very publicly with [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► you Marco whether or not i should get a [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► Mac this is two thousand eight ish i [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► believe and we were having this debate [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► via reblogs of each other's posts on [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► tumblr what I ended up [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► doing was taking my then thinkpad t430 i [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► believe it was and putting a hackintosh [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► version of leopard i believe it was at [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► the time i have that wrong and running [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► it for a few days just to see if I like [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► you know OS 10 and to my recollection [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► Wi-Fi didn't work but onboard ethernet [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► did and just about everything else did [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► too [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► maybe sound didn't actually don't recall [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► but i remember vividly the Wi-Fi didn't [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► work with some major bummer but i really [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► liked it in and it was relatively [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► pain-free to do I think I required as [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► some version of OS 10 that had been [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► prepared for this sort of use and that's [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► what I used to install it and it worked [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► pretty darn well and if it wasn't for [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► that I probably stole about the mac [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► anyway but I felt a lot more confident [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► in doing so but just like you said you [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► hit the nail on the head you know today [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► the three of us can trade money for time [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► if you will and when we were in college [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► and in kids when we were building [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► computers except John we had plenty of [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► time to kill and not a lot of money so [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► it's funny how things change [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► it's not just the time to it's like [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► thinking of your poor haunted imac that [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► could die any second [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► what you're also paying the horror that [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► but also paying for is someone to blame [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► mr. yeah if your computer goes wonky you [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► have someone to blame and that's Apple [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► if your computer continues to be walking [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► continues to behave badly you can keep [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► bringing it back to genius bar [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► eventually replace it with an all new [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► computer if it did you know it not [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► that's a fun thing to do like it's still [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► a pain in the butt but if you build your [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► own hackintosh and it starts being wonky [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► you have no one to go to you so we can [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► go to apple you can't go to the your [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► motherboard manufacturer you can't go to [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► your GPU vendor you can't go to the [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► company that made the case you can't go [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► to the monitor vendor like you just got [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► yourself and so packages I mean they're [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► way cheaper but they're not free [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► so that's you know that's potentially a [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► thousand or more dollars that you spent [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► on something and if it stops working or [TS]