199: Make Half of a Change
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- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 199.
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It is brought to you this week by our sponsors,
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Pingdom, Smile, and Hover.
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I'm your host, Stephen Hackett, and I'm joined
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as most weeks by my two handsome, intelligent co-hosts.
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We have Michael Hurley, how are you?
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- I'm good, I like that you say hello to the listeners
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when you start the show.
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It's very nice, very cordial.
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- You wanna break the third wall a little bit.
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You know, you just wanna--
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- It's that southern charm.
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- You just wanna look 'em in the eye
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as they're driving or washing their dishes,
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listening to us, and just let 'em know
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that our hands are on the steering wheel with them,
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that our hands are in the sink.
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- The hospitality--
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- With them. - Of the South.
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That's what you can get on our show.
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You're guaranteed southern hospitality
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when you listen to Connected.
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- And because I'm hospitable, I don't wanna forget
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my friend and your is Federico Vittucci.
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- Hi, how are you?
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When I-- I wanted to tell you that you mentioned the steering
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When I bought my car two years ago,
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so I'm at the place, the dealership,
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with my girlfriend and my mom.
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And there's this guy who was in charge of selling me this car.
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And so we went over all the details one last time.
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You know, the day that the car arrived,
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he was explaining all the different functions,
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all the different buttons.
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And then, so I'm in the car, still inside the dealership,
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in the showroom floor, basically.
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And I'm trying to understand what all the buttons do.
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So the guy gets into the car, sits in the passenger seat,
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and he looks at me straight in the eyes, and he's like,
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"And you know that, for any problems,
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"I'm always here with you."
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And it's, (laughs)
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and it's, and he meant that, like,
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As he's saying that, he hands me his business card with his phone number and it's like,
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"I'm always in the car with you." And I thought that was extremely creepy.
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He thought that he had landed on like the perfect final sales line.
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Right? Like, as I am right now, imagine I am always in this car with you.
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Like an angel watching over you.
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I have other people that need to use that seat.
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Like that seat is needed. Like I don't…
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I don't want you to linger here forever. You're gonna like open a sun visor and like a picture of
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him falls out. Like he's just been there the whole time. And I thought that the guy was extremely
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creepy and I asked my mom I think a couple of months ago what whatever happened to the guy
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because my mom works for sort of the Italian equivalent of the DMV. But in my understanding
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of the DMV is that it's a terrible place. The Italian version is kind of decent. On
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the teaching scale it's a normal place. And she told me, she knows all of these guys,
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dealerships and all that, and she told me that the guy got fired.
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Oh no. He was there too much.
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The guy was just creepy honestly. He was looking at me and it's like,
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I'm always here with you.
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He was giving off a creepy vibe.
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So yeah, that's my story about steering wheels.
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I hope he's not a listener.
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Story of the week, new segment.
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Put a sound effect under it, it'll be perfect.
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Story of the week.
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So we're recording this on Tuesday, June 26th.
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We're a day earlier than normal, we're going to talk more about some scheduling stuff in
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second but today marks the release of the Mac OS Mojave public beta release. So we
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had iOS 12 release yesterday on Monday I think and now Mac OS public beta today.
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I got there some links in the show notes. Jason Snell has a really nice like
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hands-on walkthrough of the whole OS so if you saw my dark mode thing Jason's
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is much broader talking about lots of stuff going on and I am also putting a
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link in the show notes to my favorite external SSD because you should not run
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this on your primary machine. You should not boot into this yet on a regular
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basis for your work. It's still very early. If you have a second MacBook or
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something or if you're like me, I have a desktop and a notebook, I don't use the
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notebook very much, then yeah go crazy. But like do not put this on your
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production machine. Don't put it on your only computer because it's still really
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early and if things go wrong it can be difficult to go back. You can't, if you have a time
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machine back up with Mojave you can't restore that data to High Sierra very smoothly. So
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just do what I do, put it on an external SSD and the next bullet point in the show notes
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says, Federico had a bad day with Mac OS. So Federico what happened to you?
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What happened to me is that I should never use Macintosh computers. That's what happened
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me that I should just stick to iPads and iPhones. So last night I got curious about Mojave.
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If you do this every time. Mojave curious.
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And I don't understand every time you do this. I don't understand my curiosity.
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It's the allure of the Dark Mode. It spoke to him.
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Dark Mode spoke to me and he said, "Come over to the dark side."
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Hey! If that's a Star Wars quote, I'm not sure.
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Holy cow. I think Star Wars is the one with the light side and the dark side and the guy
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who's the guy who's the father of the other guy.
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Spoilers. Do you know, can you give me the name of any
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person who says the phrase, like join me in the dark side, come over to the dark side.
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Can you give me the name of anybody? The guy, the guy with the black helmet.
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The name, I'm looking for a name, no description. Darth Vader.
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Yeah, you did it. Okay, you did it. You did it. Good work.
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the guy. Look, I watch one Star Wars movie. So, the first one. Wait, which first one?
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No, I don't want to clarify it. I think it's best that we don't get the answer just in
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case. The very old one, not the trilogy that's... I know some basic details about Star Wars.
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Anyway, so I installed Mojave and then basically you two last night, you shamed me into having
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a second partition with High Sierra on it, with the stable version, because of the shows
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that I need to record, which I understand and I felt bad, so I went on Amazon...
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You do this every year though Federico, every single year we have this.
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Well at least I feel bad every year.
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I mean at least I'm sorry. Like I could do it every year and not be sorry. I do it every
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year and I apologize. I don't... I understand... Forget it. Go on, carry on with your story.
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We're on Amazon. So I needed to install High Sierra, but turns out you cannot just download
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High Sierra and run the installer from a newer version of Mac OS. You need to make a bootable
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USB thing. But I didn't have a USB drive that had enough space to be an installer, so I
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went on Amazon.
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Yeah, because you were going to make a partition, right?
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I was going to make a partition, boot from USB and install High Sierra on the partition.
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I went on Amazon, I could have bought a USB drive that would have arrived this morning,
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but instead I just went to an electronics store this morning and I bought a USB drive.
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Which was fine because it's a 32 gigs one, like super cheap, so I was actually pretty
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happy with my purchase.
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I make a USB drive using this application called, I don't know, I just read something
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on Macworld.
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Disc Makers X, yeah something.
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There's a bunch of them.
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There's a couple of them, it's one with the golden X as an icon.
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Install Disc Creator, that's the name.
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Wow, look at that icon.
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Yeah, it's horrible.
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It's very shiny.
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So, I install High Sierra on the partition, everything is fine, I create my user account,
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I type in what I believe is my usual password, I log into iCloud, I log into the High Sierra,
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I download a bunch of apps, like 1Password and Tweetbot, everything is fine.
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Then I remember that to record I need to use Audio Hijack, and to use Audio Hijack I have
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this recipe thing, like this workflow that Steven created for me, that connects all the
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right inputs and saves two copies of the audio file. But it was on the other partition. So,
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on the Mojave partition, I needed to export the session, I think it's called, from Audio
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Hijack and import it back into High Sierra. So I log out from... So I restart the Mac
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and I log into the second partition, the one with Mojave on it.
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I save the file from AudioHijack,
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restart my MacBook again, and I try to log into iSierra.
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And I thought that I had the usual username
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and the usual password that I use all the time for the Mac.
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But it wasn't letting me in. So it was saying "Your password is incorrect."
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I was like, that is not possible.
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I just created a password, and I always use this password.
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And I typed it in twice, because you
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need to confirm your password when you set up Mac OS.
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But it wasn't letting me in, so I tried like 20 times.
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I tried all caps, no caps, first letter, title case,
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Nothing was working.
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So I text Steven, and I'm like, how do I fix this?
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And Stephen told me a bunch of things, including--
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Did you try the root thing, just out of interest?
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Was that a thing that anybody tried?
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The root bug?
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Just like, just type it in a blank password?
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No, I didn't try that.
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I didn't try that.
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No, I gave him the 10.13.5 installer, I think.
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So it's well past that.
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Because you couldn't even download High Sierra.
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So I had to zip up the installer application, which
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is like six gigs, and put it in a shared Dropbox folder.
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I felt very dirty. It's like a gray market OS installer ring that I've built for myself.
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So anyway, I start doing... first I try to reset the password using the native password.
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I forgot my password tool when you... what's it called? Recovery mode?
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Didn't work. Then I tried the rec...
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What do you mean?
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said that the password with my Apple ID couldn't be changed. Just said this user account...
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But I actually remember ticking the box that said "allow an Apple ID to reset the user
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password" but then I tried and it said "this user account cannot be reset via an Apple
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ID". Okay, sure. So I try macOS recovery, I try to reinstall macOS and it said "the recovery
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server could not be contacted. So I then try Internet recovery, which is this other method
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that takes like 20 minutes to do I don't know what. There's a globe icon in the middle of
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the screen and a progress bar. It's booting from like a remote image on an Apple server.
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So if you don't have a recovery partition, it's like my MacBook Pro through a series
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of unfortunate events does not have a recovery partition and I haven't gotten out of fixing
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So my only option would be this internet recovery.
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So you hold down a set of keys, and it basically boots from an image hosted by Apple.
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And so it copies some of that to local disk space and then boots from it, and it takes
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But yeah, I waited 20 minutes for the Internet Recovery magic to work, and I said, "Reinstall
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And it said, again, the recovery server could not be contacted.
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Which is funny, because you're literally just talking to a server for Internet recovery.
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But yeah, so at this very moment I'm recording on Mojave, because I cannot log into High
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Sierra, where in theory I use the same password that I use all the time, a password that according
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to the Mac I must have typed in wrong twice when I was creating my user account.
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I don't know if there's any other way to reset my password, but this stuff looks incredibly
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difficult to me.
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Like, why isn't there like a single screen that says, "I forgot my password.
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Let me change my password."
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I think the problem is that I did something that I shouldn't have done, which is enabling
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FileVault encryption.
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Also, I don't know what FileVault encryption is.
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It just looks secure.
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And I thought, well, maybe, you know, like, my thought when I see this security stuff
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is, I don't know, maybe if the police gets my computer for some reason, they cannot get
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to, they cannot see my stuff.
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Or it's in a car that gets stolen.
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I don't know who that would happen to.
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But I don't know what FileVault is.
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It just looked fancy enough.
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And now I cannot change my password.
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So I don't know.
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Now I'm probably going to get all kinds of suggestions.
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Okay, do you have some for me?
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Those are the two that I've thought of so far.
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And I have not personally come across the recovery server cannot be contacted or whatever
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that error said.
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But in googling it, it does seem like people have run into that and there doesn't seem
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to be like a consistent answer to why or like how you go around it.
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Some people said to reboot with the option key held down, which will let you verify your
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Wi-Fi is on and then select the internet, like I don't know.
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So if you have ideas, please let us know because we'd like to fix your computer.
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I bet FileVault is the problem though, right?
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You should be able to, you can boot from another volume with FileVault enabled, you just can't
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poke around the protected partition.
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So for again, for instance, my MacBook Pro, I have five volt turned on, which I think
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is a good idea on a laptop because if it gets stolen from you know, an airport or you leave
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in a bus station or wherever, they can't get your stuff.
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So with with this when I boot into Mojave on that external SSD, the internal drive doesn't
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show up in finder unless I mount it and give it a password like it is hidden away, but
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I can still boot from other volumes, no problem.
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So I kind of got the feeling that you have something bigger going on and I'm not sure
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that I would blame FileVault.
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I mean it's possible that when you turn FileVault on that somehow it cooked your keychain or
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something and now you can't log in.
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But I think you're in a weird spot that obviously shouldn't have happened because you've hit
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some sort of issue.
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So I didn't know about any of this part, right?
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Like this whole conversation happened between the two of you, like for even this, like the
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partition thing even beginning in the first place.
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So for what it's worth Federico, I just want you to know that I appreciate the work that
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you have attempted to do this time to fix the problem that you created.
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Like, I appreciate it.
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I just want you to know that.
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Well, it didn't work.
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Well, you tried, you know, you tried your hardest, you spent money on it, you spent
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I hope that this experience has taught you a lesson for next year, but genuinely I don't,
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I doubt it because I still don't understand even why you did it in the first place.
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I don't know why you would bother to install Mojave.
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It doesn't make sense to me.
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You know he's a huge Mac fan and he's itching for his new Mac bit.
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It's probably stupid.
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It's probably stupid.
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that. I thought that messages would sync better between iOS 12 and Mojave and I really wanted
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to try dark mode. But I can tell you that I'm...
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Why does the messages thing matter to you?
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Because when I'm recording shows, like for example interviews on App Stories, I need
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to be able to talk to John but messages is always out of sync or just texting Silvia
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in the other room, stuff like that. But I can tell you now, I'm going on the record
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with this stuff next year. And especially on the watch, like I will never ever again
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put a watchwise beta on my main watch. It's been an incredibly frustrating process in
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that I cannot do reliable workouts anymore. Like external heart rate sensors are not working.
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The built-in sensor is worse than usual.
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The built-in Apple Watch sensor for heart rate was always problematic for me, but now
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it's just been a horrible experience.
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My heart rate is like 150 bpm and the sensor says 67 or the calorie counting just stops
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And I'm like, "I'm dying over here, Apple Watch.
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It's not 67 bpm."
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If it is, you need to go to the hospital. Maybe you've just gotten really good at
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work outs. Yeah, you're sweating like an animal and your heart rate is barely above
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most people's resting rate. So I feel like I will never put a watchOS
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beta on my main watch ever again. I should probably be like David Smith and have like
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22 watches on my arms. And also I think the same argument applies to the Mac. I think
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I think the reason that I find the Mac one frustrating though is that there is a way
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for you to do this, which is to just put it on an SSD.
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With the watch stuff, if you want to try it out, your option is buy a new watch or just
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do it, right?
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And so I would understand that more.
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But you could just, external SSD, you know?
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Taken care of.
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Use my Amazon affiliate code that's in the show notes.
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You'll be set.
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It's very pretty.
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It's blue and everyone should buy one.
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Should we take our first break and then actually do follow up?
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Let's do it.
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Because we never got there.
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It was the story about the steering wheel that really tipped it all over.
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We really drove off course at that point.
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So do you want to go into real follow-up, Simon? Yeah, let's do some some real
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follow-up and we are going to talk about Federico's directions to read the show
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notes on an Apple Watch. What happened here Federico? Matt Cassinelli actually
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followed my instructions and built a workflow to text the link to the show
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to himself so that he could tap the link on my message and try it on the Apple watch.
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As you know, this is the best practice for show notes. I said I want to reiterate my
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belief that the future of show notes is on the wrist and I was really happy to see Matt
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put together this workflow, as you can see these glorious screenshots of tiny text and
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tiny links and tiny articles on the Apple Watch. This is the future of content.
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Aside from the weird double navigation button, which I don't understand, our website looks
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pretty good on the Apple Watch.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I have a question about this, and I haven't watched much Apple Watch stuff
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in the sessions. So watchOS 5 has a webkit rendering engine, but you only use it right
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if in a situation like this, right, you get an iMessage that has some content attached
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to it or an email or something like there's not a browser, it just can show stuff if it
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comes into you. Do I have that correct? Yeah, like if you get a message, you can click the
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link. Yes. Right. But you can't just be like, hey, I want to go to a website. Yeah, like
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it's only you can only act upon stuff that's been sent to you.
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Yeah, and presumably developers can show you web content if it's needed.
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I'm not sure if it's only on iMessage.
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But anyway, yeah, it's the WebKit engine.
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And I think basically if you receive a link to an article that WebKit or Safari thinks
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it's suitable for Safari Reader,
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it'll load the Safari Reader article view by default.
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As you can see, I think in the Mac Stories screenshot
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and in Matt's tweet, I think that's Safari Reader mode.
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So it tries to optimize using the,
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because it's a responsive layout,
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only on a super, super tiny, tiny screen.
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It's using Safari Reader to just show you
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the images and the text.
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It's fine. Personally, I'm pretty impressed with the way that our website looks on such
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a tiny screen. It's nice.
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Yeah. I mean, actually, it shows our media player and stuff, so I don't know what it's
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It's doing all sorts. It's very exciting stuff happening there.
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I'm not going to prioritize fixing the website on the Apple Watch.
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You would need some kind of organic toothpick to tap on those tiny, tiny buttons.
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I'm just shaved down the end of a hot dog. There is another tiki scale.
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Yeah, do you want to read what this is actually called? Steven, do you want to go for it?
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What the TICI in this tiki scale stands for?
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Thrombolysis. Thrombolysis? It sounds like it's a medical thing in a cerebral infarction.
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So basically what this is, I Wikipedia'd it and I still don't understand it, but it's
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This is when you die. This is what happens when you die.
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It's like a serious...
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It's a scale for measuring stroke conditions. Like, the brains function after a stroke.
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Like after a specific type of stroke or hemorrhage. So this is way less fun than the other tiki
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Yeah, this really sucked the air right out of the room.
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But a lot more useful, maybe, even.
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What do you have to say?
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I don't agree with grades.
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So it starts from grade 0, grade 1, grade 2, and grade 3, and it's so boring because
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it's grade 0, no perfusion.
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Grade 1, penetration with minimal perfusion.
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Grade 2, partial perfusion.
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And grade 3, complete perfusion.
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I feel like…
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There's also a grade 2A and grade 2B.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, but we have inferior and inferior minus.
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So I feel like we can forgive a multi-stage level.
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That's true.
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I mean, alright.
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Also it's tichi with one C. So it's like tichi.
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Well a bunch of people sent this in so we wanted to address it.
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Hopefully none of us ever have to hear about that again.
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Just briefly we want to mention that there is going to be no episode of Connected next
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We will be back on Wednesday.
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The show is back!
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Some of them. The show is back on July Wednesday 11th. That will be me and two special guests.
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It will be the first time actually. I went back through and best I can tell, it'll be the first
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episode in five years that only one of us is on. It's the perfect way to celebrate episode 200
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with only one third of the show in attendance. So I'll be joined by Casey Liss and Jon Voorhees,
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and we're going to do that show on the 11th. And then Federico is back. But Myke, you're taking
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a month off. Yeah, I'm going to be back on August the first. So, enjoy my voice today
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because I'll be gone for a month. I'm getting married and I'm going on my honeymoon. That's
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happening kind of all throughout the month of July. So, this is the last time that you'll
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hear me for a bit and then I'll be gone. But then I'll come back and then everything will
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be good again. This is the last time you're doing connected as a, what's the word when
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your bachelor. This is the last episode of a bachelor. You'll be a man next time you're
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on the show, Myke. You'll be saying things like, "My wife." We talked about it briefly,
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But the iOS 12 public beta is out.
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And so people are running it now, you're not just stuck on the dev build.
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It does seem that this is the same build as the dev beta 2, which the both of you are
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running I believe.
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I've seen some people, including a friend of the show and software miner and architect,
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Mr Rambo say that this is the same build, like from what he can ascertain that this
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is the same build.
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I don't know if you are aware of anything on that Federico, like I don't know if you've
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seen anything specific, but it seems like that this is Dev Beta 2.
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Yeah, no, I think it's actually the same. I haven't heard or seen any other changes from
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the current build, and it's basically the pattern that Apple has been following for the past couple
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of years of the Dev Beta comes the week before, and a few days later, if not even the next day,
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if everything is fine, the public beta goes out. So I suppose that with Beta 3, unless Apple
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destroys everything, we'll see beta 3 next week or the week after and a couple of days later the
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public beta 2 at that point. So there's a... That is my great fear, right? That like everything's
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so fine right now and then they're just gonna be like "haha, we gotcha!" They just like release
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the worst beta of all time. That's what I'm concerned about. It's happened. I mean that's
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part of the deal, right? That it's all possible. So I'm still not running it. My plan is to do it
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it after some upcoming travel but did the two of you feel like it's kind of
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ready for like nerdy consumption like should listeners have connected check
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out the public beta? I mean I would say you're fine with the dev beta as well but
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like I mean you know I know people say oh you should never say but I'm just
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gonna straight up say it like I think it's absolutely fine I've been running
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it for a couple of weeks I'm happy to say that I like it like I have had I've
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had one springboard crash on my iPad over the last eight days like I think
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think that that is probably as many as I've probably had on 11. Like, I have absolutely
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no problem with this. I have no battery life issues. I am completely fine with it. Like,
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I mean, you know.
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>> Is GPS still broken? I saw some tweets about that.
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>> I mean, I wouldn't know. Like, I was out in London today using it for walking directions
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and had no problem, but I don't know what the problem is with GPS.
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>> Yeah, when I was driving the other day, I noticed this on Beta 1, and I thought it
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was a temporary issue, but then I saw that people were actually tweeting about the GPS
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problem, and I tried again with Beta 2 a couple of days ago, and just Google Maps and Apple
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Maps were saying that I was going in the opposite direction of where I was driving. So, yeah,
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I needed to ask Sylvia to put in directions on her phone. But otherwise, I would say it's
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totally fine. Again, the GPS and the occasional springboard crashes are the only problems
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that I've noticed. I think it's totally fine, battery life is fine. And there's a few issues
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of course with third party apps, especially the ones that do...
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Yeah, I haven't had any. I haven't had any, like, instant crashes or anything.
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No instant crashes, but just like random stuff for apps that do, I don't know, like custom
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things with menus and pop-ups, I think. Because there are some changes in the API, always,
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maybe things break, but not to the extent that they were breaking like a couple of years ago with iOS 10.
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So I would say the iOS 12 beta, unlike the other betas, it's basically fine.
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And we got the idea that it was going to be okay when Apple, you know, had the talk show.
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I think Josueck basically said "It's fine, I have it on my phone."
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Which is unusual for an Apple executive to say on stage.
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I think Joe said a lot of things he probably shouldn't have said.
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Yeah, I feel like he gets loosey-goosey.
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One reason I like him being interviewed and stuff is because I don't necessarily want
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to hang out with a bunch of Apple executives, but I feel like he'd be the one.
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We could just sit back and talk about iPod shuffles for an hour and it'd be great.
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Does anybody else think about that?
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I think you might be on your own on that one, I'm afraid.
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There were a few things that are going on in the beta that I wanted to mention.
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a couple of things that I've noticed in using it. I did see one that this isn't my thing
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but I did see it going by on Twitter that you can apparently now use on an iPad that
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is a non-pro iPad. You can use three apps at the same time. I wonder if it will ship
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Yeah, that's a bug. So my understanding is that this is a bug, a really bad one in fact,
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that it wasn't supposed to ship and it'll be removed
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because these devices, Apple thinks they're not capable
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of running three apps at once without running
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into performance problems and other issues
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because they think these iPads,
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they don't have enough memory.
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So enjoy three apps on non-pro iPads until it lasts
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because I think it'll be removed.
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- And I guess kind of just breaking down some stuff
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that I've been enjoying.
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The new notification stuff obviously is, I mean, I think that this is the main reason
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if you want to update right now, this is the biggest feature that you're going to get on
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a daily basis, is the notification stuff.
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Like the grouping is so good.
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You know, anyone that's listened to this show for long enough knows just how unhappy I was
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with iOS 11 that it removed the grouping by application.
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And this is so much better than that, than the previous way of doing it, because it now
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now groups by application, but also collapses them.
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So my overall view into notifications is way smaller.
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It's really good for group iMessage threads, especially,
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because I'm on quite a few of those,
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and they just get all collapsed together in a nice way.
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So you don't have 30 messages that you
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have to scroll through before you can see what's next.
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The group's going off on something
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that you're not talking about, and you
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want to see if you've got any emails or whatever, you're scrolling down like two screens before
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you even get to that. Now that's all collapsed together, which is really nice. And I like
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that you can, I was concerned that they were going to mess around with the 3D touch actions,
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right? That maybe that would open the group or something, but it just allows you to react
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to the last message and there's nice little buttons everywhere. There is one thing that
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I don't like, but I'll get over. In adding in, like when you swipe to a message over
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to the left hand side you get like contextual buttons right. You used to be able to if you
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swiped it right to the end the notification would just go away. Right, it was a quick
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way to clear it. But because they've added in another button called manage which is like
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another way to get to the quick settings that doesn't work on the iPhone anymore. It still
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works on the iPad because the iPad has way more screen space. You just keep going until
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it goes away. But the iPhone doesn't. So by the time that the notification is cleared
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the screen there's just those three buttons left. If you found that to be that way Federico
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you can't swipe the notifications away anymore on the iPhone?
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I don't think I've ever done that. I always, yeah.
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Okay, so that's how I used to do it. Like if I wanted to get rid of notifications,
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I'd just swipe them. I quite like that. But you can't do that anymore. But I will take
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what I've gotten. Because this is the thing, like I always say this, I feel like I have to try and
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reiterate this all the time though, because I think it's important. I'm happy to lose functionality of
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of what I get as a net positive at the end. And the net positive is the ability to be
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able to get at that pain, which allows me to deliver quietly or turn something off,
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right? Turn notifications off. That's just another way that they're letting you get to
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that is by swiping and hitting the manage button. And I absolutely love that. I'm getting
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rid of so many notifications. I was listening to you and John talk about some app stories
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And it's so true that like, there'll be so many times where like I would get a
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notification and be like, I really don't want to see it anymore.
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But to get rid of it takes so long.
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Like you've got to go into settings, wait for the list to load once you get to
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notifications, then scroll to it and then pick like, what do I actually want to do?
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But this is so good to just make the decision of like, of getting rid of it.
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Plus I feel like that they have finally used language to explain what cover sheet
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is in a way that makes sense to me now,
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like the difference between the lock screen
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and notification center.
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Like they are two different things.
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Like I have no idea that they were two different things.
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No, but like they're still on the same screen,
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but it's just notification center belongs when you pull up.
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And then, and that's where everything that's old is
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since the last time that you locked and unlocked your phone.
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And it's like, now I can see
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why you put these things together.
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But like Apple's problem sometimes is like,
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They make half of a change and they don't explain it, so it doesn't make any sense.
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So cover sheet and the removing of grouped notifications made no sense in 11 and it was
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It didn't make any sense.
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But now when they go over to 12, it's like, oh, because they had a better grouping system
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and they were finally going to do something that made sense to split those two apart even
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though they're on the same screen.
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Like it took them to the next iteration before they could explain it.
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I hope that a potentially slower cycle of development might allow them to make those
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changes in full in the future as opposed to doing them like half and half because they
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kind of have to split the functionality apart because they need to release something.
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But yeah, I really, really like that stuff.
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I like all the controls, I like the grouping, I think it's awesome.
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- Yeah, and I love how the simplification
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of the cover sheet,
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I think it's actually not called cover sheet anymore.
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Like all that-
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- It's lock screen and notification center.
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Like they are defined now.
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- All that weird naming convention is gone.
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And now it's just, do you want to see alerts
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on your lock screen when your phone is locked?
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Or do you want to just go to the notification center?
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I think it's so much cleaner,
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it's so much easier to understand and to explain.
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There's one feature, like one small detail that I wanted to mention in this list.
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Something that I used to do all the time before iOS 12, I remember a song or I hear a song
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on the radio or, you know, when you walk into H&M, for example, you're shopping and they
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have the radio station on, but you can't know what song title it is and Shazam is not working,
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but you can make out the lyrics of a song.
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And I used to go on Google and just type in the lyrics of a song and trying to find the
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song. Now you can do that in Apple Music. So you can search for lyrics and it'll bring
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up song results with the lyrics highlighted within the search results. It's so good and
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I've already managed to find like three to four songs that I wouldn't have found otherwise.
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And the best part is it's not like you're on Google, you find the song and then you
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have to open YouTube or you have to type in again into your streaming service, you can
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just tap. It's right there. You can just tap play and listen. So I'm really…
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I wish I knew this feature existed because literally last night we were having this where
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we were trying to think of a song and I was asking the Echo because apparently the Echo
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can do this, but every time I asked the question like "Oh, what is the song that goes?"
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and I give it some lyrics, it would just say "Resuming Spotify". It's like that's
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not what I want and I did this like three times and then I just picked up my phone and googled it
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but otherwise I would have gone to Apple Music and done it right because that just seems like
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an easier thing like an easier way to do things or maybe I should have just asked Siri I don't know
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but um but yeah that's really cool I actually had I would never have known that that feature existed
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unless you unless you just told me it there you go oh until I read your review if it would have
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made it in the review um I've been enjoying creating an emoji um and I wanted to just give
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a little Memoji tip to people, in case you're playing with them now or whatever, you can
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from the app, if you expand it in iMessages, you get like this three little dots and a
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button that you can press that give you a couple of options. One is to delete and one
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is to edit, but another is to duplicate a Memoji, which is really good if you want to
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make a summer look for yourself. So I have regular Myke and then I just duplicated the
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one that I've made to put sunglasses on him and then another one to put a top hat. So I have,
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you know, the three important looks of my curly regular sunglasses and top hat. I just thought
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that was really good because when I first used it I made two and they weren't the same because
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I didn't know you could duplicate it and it's like, "ah this is like something different" but
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I don't remember the exact choices I made. So yeah you can just duplicate it and then you can edit the
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duplicated one to put different hats or sunglasses or whatever and I really like
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that so it's really cool. It seems like a lot of thought went into the emoji
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system like details like that right like I don't think I would have thought of
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that initially you know oh and make a second one. My expectation is you know
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they may have been working on this from the very beginning and like took some
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time to flush it out further because they had to wait for tongue detection
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That is very important. I use I do that a lot. I do a lot a lot of the the me emoji and I'm sending I
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think I've sent more me emoji than I've ever sent an emoji. It's more fun. I said it I said the
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picture it to my mom today. I just confused I had to confuse my mom with things like this. She's just
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like how'd you do that? I think that'll be true for most people because unless you're like me and
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you have been strongly correlated with an Animoji character, like it's not you,
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right? Like this is, this is you. It's sort of a creepy floating head version of you,
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but like it's this will take off for the same reason that Bitmoji took off,
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because you can put yourself in these into the into the app in a way that you
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can't do when you just pick a lion or a ghost or whatever. I mean I think that
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there is a missing component though because Bitmoji creates all of these
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emotions for you right you just create your look and it puts you in a thousand
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situations and that's I think what makes Bitmoji so successful which is I think
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is is they're similar but there is a key difference in that Bitmoji creates all
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of these stickers for you that have different emotions and they have they're
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in different contexts and they also have lots of seasonal ones and stuff like
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that so I would hope I would like to see Apple take me emoji a bit further I
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think it may have been Jason snow who said this to me at one point during
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WWDC where he was like I would like them to just give me an option to make him
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emoji character and then just create just recreate all of the emoji that
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exists with my face I was like oh yeah that would be really good right so you
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could all of the current yellow faced emoji characters like the that exists
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just the regular emotion emojis, you can just have them all but your face. I would like
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Just one small thing that most people are already aware of, I suppose. You know, there's
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a favicon support in Safari tabs. This is on Mojave and iOS 12, which I really like
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because I've always been a fan of the way that Google Chrome presents tabs with website
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icons. Also these website icons, these favicons, or if you have an SVG like MacStories we have
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and like a retina ready SVG icon, you'll use that. You can see these icons in the new iCloud
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kitchen feature, which at this point it should really be a kitchen or password app. Like
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it should be a password.
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Yes, they have one on Mac.
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It should be a kitchen for iOS. Yeah.
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It makes a lot of sense.
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They've been adding features.
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So right now, if you want to see your iCloud Keychain passwords in iOS, how do you even
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I don't use this feature, so I don't even know, like, is there an interface?
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You need to go into settings, accounts and passwords, and then show websites passwords?
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Yeah, it's...
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Or I guess if you're looking for a password, right, you can do it.
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Where, like, if you're at the moment where you need a password, you can hit the little
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Keychain icon on the keyboard when you're in a web browser.
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I also asked Siri in iOS 12 to show you a password and it'll take you to that screen.
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But they've been adding features to the iCloud Kitchen and it's really well done and it should
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be split into a separate app at this point.
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Anyway, the Kitchen also uses website icons now, so it can actually be used and browsed
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by normal people.
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It's much more colorful and usable than before, so I really like that change.
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And also I really like how the iCloud Kitchen now tells you if you're reusing the same password
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on multiple websites and on which websites you're reusing the same password and it will
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offer you to change it.
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I really like what the Safari team and the iCalCitchen team does every year.
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Even when Safari does not get a major update in terms of design and functionality, they
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always manage to sneak in those couple of features that are really well done.
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I think the password autofill changes this year and the iCalCitchen changes are really
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So when I was hearing about those, I was like, oh, I'm not going to get to use them because
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I use Chrome, right?
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But what I hadn't realized is that whenever I need a password, I don't get to use Gboard,
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iOS kicks me out to a stock keyboard, even though I don't have one installed, which is
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one of the features that, what of, um, it's a security feature, right?
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So when I'm typing in a password, the key to third party keyboard that I use can't see
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it because you can do that full control thing, whatever it's called, full access. So it brings
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up a standard keyboard. So I may be able to get some of that functionality and this is
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proven to me. I had a two factor code, I was logging into the Slack web app on my iPhone
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because I needed to change something and I got a two factor text message and it popped
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up the little thing above the keypad that just had the number that the text message
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had come through. So the text message comes through with the six digit code and then while
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I'm looking I've got my cursor in the in the keyboard area in the password field
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it just shows the little six digit code so would you like to enter it that's
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probably one of my single favorite features of iOS 12 that is so amazing I
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love that feature I wished it would then just delete the text message but that's
00:44:50
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maybe asking too much but that that the ability for the iPhone to know what's
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coming in through messages and just let me tap a button without needing to type
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been the key. That just makes things so much simpler and will, I think for a lot of people,
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make it even easier and they'll be more happy to turn on two-factor for more and more services
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because it enables this. I don't know if this stuff works, maybe you can tell me, I don't
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know if this stuff works for non-text message two-factor, but it does for text message stuff.
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Yeah, and it's so impressive that it works for, I think, all the different locales and
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languages that are supported by iOS. Because Apple is doing, they're using data detectors
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and heuristics to try to infer where the code is positioned in a text message. And it works
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in English, and I tried a couple of days ago, it works in Italian, and you get the suggestion
00:45:48
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right away. So as the message comes in and as you tap into the field in a web page, it
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just loads into the QuickType bar suggestion thing and it provides you with the code that
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you can tap and fill in. It's so impressive and I really like that. It's a small feature,
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but it really does remove that annoyance of just going back into messages and trying to
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to memorize the code and switch them back.
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It's a small feature, but once you try it,
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it makes so much sense.
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And you go like, I wonder why nobody's ever done this before.
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So yeah, really good one.
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But it's like it's one of those things where
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I'm cool with Apple doing it, right?
00:46:33
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Because I believe that they're not
00:46:35
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sending that code or that information up to somewhere
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and then back to me, like it's just happening on the device,
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and I'm cool with it.
00:46:43
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So yeah, iOS 12, two thumbs up so far, I'm really enjoying it.
00:46:48
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But I want that shortcuts app.
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Yeah, I know.
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Give me the shortcuts app.
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I forgot some follow up.
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Oh, you're fired.
00:47:00
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And it just popped in my brain when you were talking.
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So we were in San Jose and they had the bird scooters.
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And what was the other company?
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Lime Wire Scooters.
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They're here in Memphis now.
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So like, on the mayor and the city commission,
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like rode them across our city halls,
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like a water fountain thing at the front of it,
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and rode across the plaza on them,
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and did some cool power sliding in front of the media.
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And the weird thing about these,
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you just leave them wherever you go, right?
00:47:33
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So I'm going to this coffee shop,
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I can just leave it outside.
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And that's fine when it's not the city you live in,
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But now, after just like a week,
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and they're not even in my part of town,
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they're all like in the midtown area,
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where like there's a lot of restaurants and stuff to do,
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and then they're downtown.
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This weekend was in a neighborhood where they are,
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and they're just everywhere.
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And like there's like people riding down the street
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without helmets, like what are you doing?
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So it's fun to do when you're on vacation at WWDC.
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It gives you heartburn when it's in your own city.
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But I just, I don't know why they're here.
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We're not a big city.
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Like, I don't know how they picked Memphis.
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but Bird is here in force.
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They are, at least in the parts of town they're in,
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they are everywhere.
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- This actually made me look at these in the UK
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and I was kind of just digging around today.
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Those electric scooters are illegal in the UK.
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- That's probably good.
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- There's gonna be some significant work
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that needs to be done if they wanna launch here,
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which these companies are trying,
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like Bird and Lime and Lyft and Uber,
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like they're getting in on this game now,
00:48:34
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like Lyft and Uber are,
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everyone's lobbying to try and get these things added. So it may well happen but
00:48:40
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as of right now kind of just like that type of vehicle is illegal here
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and I think it's like when I was younger there were these like little gas-powered
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like mini motorcycles like they look like motorbikes but they were really
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small like a child would ride them. They were like a scourge on the streets
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of London so I think a lot of laws were put in place probably because of those
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to like ban that type of vehicle I think. Sure. Yeah I can't imagine these in a big
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like in a real city like if you've been to San Jose for you see you've been to
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Memphis like it's laid out very similar you need a car to go almost anywhere
00:49:18
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even the city center feels sort of suburban in a way I can't imagine
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riding one of these things in the streets of Chicago or New York or London
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or San Francisco like a real city with like buses and fire you know like yeah
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It just has to be terrifying. Well, one of the big problems is the littering of them, right?
00:49:38
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But and and again, I saw more news today. I feel like I'm really plugged into the scooter news
00:49:43
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I don't know why this has happened to me, but it's where I am that in San Francisco
00:49:47
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they're now like talking about letting them come back, but
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They will build
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Areas where you have to park them
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Right, so like like those like the city bike type things where like you can you can drive them
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but you have to take them to a designated parking or pickup area as opposed to like just put them wherever you want.
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So I saw in San Francisco that now they're
00:50:13
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they're kind of taking bids or like they're talking with companies about setting up
00:50:18
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stations, right, that you would pick up and drop off at so that they won't be littered around anymore.
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So that that's kind of a way that like a big city might try and
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Deal with it like and again as you can imagine the companies that have applied for those permits right now include uber and lyft
00:50:36
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And it's probably gonna end up being one of those companies that gets it because they're more established, right?
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But I would be super surprised at the city of San Francisco allowed uber to do it
00:50:48
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It feels probably more like it would be lyft, but I guess we'll wait and see alright
00:50:52
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I know that you're probably very excited about our next topic Steven
00:50:56
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Yeah, so Friday at the end of the day where big companies released their most important news
00:51:01
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Apple opened a repair service program for
00:51:06
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every MacBook and MacBook Pro
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With the butterfly keyboard, so it's the 2015 16 to 17 MacBook
00:51:13
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2016 and 2017 MacBook Pros, you know, you know the ones with the silly ports and the keyboards that don't work so
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For up to four years from initial purchase Apple will repair the keyboard if you have
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Sticky keys or keys that are keys that feel sticky key presses that are not recognized keys that are loose
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Key presses that are repeated any of that sort of stuff Apple take care of that machine for up to four years
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From date of purchase Marco Arman had a tweet that I strongly favorited
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Saying that well if the lifespan of these computers is five to seven years
00:51:54
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Which is probably about right?
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Apple should cover them for five to seven years, and I agree the the 2017 keyboard is slightly better
00:52:03
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But clearly it's not the standard that Apple would like it to be because it's included in the repair program
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And unless they are getting ready to start replacing these with keyboards where they've solved this problem
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Which they could be they haven't said anything
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Then I think that after four years and this happens Apple should still take care of those of those customers
00:52:21
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you know MacBook Pro customers are
00:52:24
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Generally, you know the the higher end of Mac users and I think those are customers that are important to keep happy
00:52:31
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But I'm glad they're doing it. I wish they were doing it a little bit longer
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But now it's here. So if you have paid for a repair if you
00:52:38
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Some reason didn't argue your way into a free repair before this Apple will reimburse you you can get in touch with them on their
00:52:45
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page. I think that's a good move by the way. Yeah, and they do that with with all these repair
00:52:50
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extension programs. Okay. If you paid for it and they then they come to their senses then they'll
00:52:53
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make it they'll make it right. But yeah absolutely it's a great, that would really be crummy to say
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like well it's free now but because you were failed three days ago you're out seven hundred
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dollars or whatever it is. There's a question I think of of why now I think there's a couple of
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factors worth considering. I don't know the answer but worth considering. One, there is no new Mac Pro
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So this was not, at least so far, joined with new notebooks.
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You know, there were not new notebooks at WWDC.
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I think the earliest we would see them is probably
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July or August, maybe even later.
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So it's not like Apple's saying,
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there's a new MacBook Pro, the keyboard is fixed,
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all the old ones are covered under this.
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They're not saying that with one breath.
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What I do think this says is that Apple,
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I would imagine would feel confident in a new keyboard design whenever that shows up.
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Because what you don't want to have happen is they release a late 2018 MacBook Pro and
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they have to add it to this program retroactively.
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That would be bonkers, right?
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Like that you would release a new product that you're saying before it's even released
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that a part of it is broken.
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There is historical context because that's my gig.
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You guys remember the white and black
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13 inch plastic MacBooks?
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Remember those? - Yep.
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- Like 2006, seven, eight, nine.
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Those had a problem.
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The white ones were affected more but they both did it.
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Where the top case would crack at the palm rest.
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So at the very front lip of the computer
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where your palm went, that plastic--
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- It was the grayish part, right, on the white one.
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'Cause it was colored a little bit gray, wasn't it?
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- Yeah, it would crack at the front of it.
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And there was a lot of hypothesis about why.
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There were little nubbins on the display,
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and I think that added pressure to this part of the top case.
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Anyway, it's not really important.
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But my point here is that repair
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took place over the entire lifespan of that machine.
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Apple never redesigned the top case or the display
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or whatever was causing the problem.
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Apple was content to let their Mac Geniuses
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take out the 17 screws or whatever it was required to replace that top case.
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That's a repair I could still do in my sleep because I did thousands of them.
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Yeah, I think there's some contextual difference though in that people loved
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that machine.
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People did love that machine so they had a good will.
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Also, that was a relatively minor repair where if you have to have your keyboard
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replaced on a MacBook Pro or MacBook, you're getting a keyboard, a top case,
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and a battery because that is all one component.
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And it was mostly cosmetic, right?
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Because mine chipped like that, and I just didn't care.
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Like, it was like, whatever.
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Like, it just didn't bother me.
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Yeah, you could still use it.
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It's not like your L key failed, and then you
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couldn't type LOL anymore.
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Like, that's a tragedy.
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So the way I'm choosing to interpret
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this is that Apple wants to take care of their customers.
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They know it's important.
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They know there's a problem.
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And that whatever they are working on for later this year--
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or God forbid, early next year,
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that they are working on something
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with a different keyboard or an improved keyboard.
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And I hope that that's true.
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I hope that it's this year.
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I hope that they have figured this out.
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And I'm glad they made the right call.
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I'm sorry that they're in the situation.
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They shouldn't be in the situation,
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but they are doing the right thing.
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There's also the factor of like,
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they're being slammed with class action lawsuits,
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and I'm not well versed enough in that world
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to say how this affects that.
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Oh, this does indicate, I think,
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from a lay person's point of view,
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that Apple is emitting some sort of guilt
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in the way that these machines were designed and they work.
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But I'm not like, well, I don't wanna say like,
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well, this means this for these class action lawsuits.
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I'm sure Apple will settle those.
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That's what they do.
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And, you know, so you'll get seven cents in the mail
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in 10 years.
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But I don't think this is a reaction to the lawsuits.
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I think it could be a partially reaction
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to the outrage over these machines.
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I think Apple would have done this eventually,
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but I do wonder if it was done now and not later
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because people are so upset.
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And this is a repair exchange program
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for a machine that's still for sale.
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And that is not something that happens every day.
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But there you go.
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I think if you have a MacBook Pro,
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I think you can sleep easier knowing
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that even if you don't buy AppleCare,
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Apple's gonna make this right,
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at least for the next couple years.
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So there was a Bloomberg report,
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new AirPods, a new HomePod and Studio Quality over ear headphones
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are apparently all in development right now at Apple,
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according to Mark Gurman and Debbie Wu.
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I want to go into just kind of touch on each of those things.
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Let's talk about AirPods.
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So apparently, Apple is developing a brand new set of AirPods that feature noise cancellation
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and water resistance.
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This isn't waterproofing, you can't submerge them, but it could be for rain and splashes
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and that kind of stuff.
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They're also looking to increase the range so you can be even further away from the device
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that they're connected to.
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And this would probably be a 2019 release and will likely cost more than the current
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version with also the possibility of adding some biometrics like heart rate monitors into
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them too to expand kind of Apple's health focused line of products.
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I was thinking this is probably like AirPods Pro, right?
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Like this feels like not AirPods 2.
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This feels like a significant difference in the, like noise cancellation alone feels like
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you don't need that in every version. Apple please don't put that in every version. I
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don't like noise cancellation. And also just, you know, it feels like just not... AirPods
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are a strange thing for noise cancellation anyway because like you're moving around with
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AirPods and like you shouldn't... I don't think people should use noise cancellation
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in the street, right? Like I feel like you probably should have at least some noise coming
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in. But they would be good, you know, if they can somehow put noise cancellation into something
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that small and it works well and like on track when you're traveling and stuff that would
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be really nice right? I'm a bit skeptical about the idea of noise cancellation in such
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a small package. It's not even like you don't even have an actual ear cup you have an ear
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bud that goes into your ear and so is there even enough room to do noise cancellation
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done well that doesn't give you a headache? Like there's no suction right? There's no
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Like isolation of any significant, you know, I don't know how they're going to do it.
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I mean they may be able to do an element of it, right?
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Like so it sounds better, but surely it's not going to sound amazing.
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Also the idea of Apple having discussed adding biometrics to AirPods.
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I can see why.
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I also can see why it may not be as useful as the Apple Watch.
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So you wear the Apple Watch all day.
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And so if you're interested in building a profile of your heart rate over time, the
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Apple Watch to me feels like the more useful approach, because it's on your wrist at least
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15 hours every day.
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But I can see why adding more of these sensors to the AirPods may be useful for, I don't
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know, for example for people who work out and wear AirPods.
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Or if maybe Apple has come up with a way to do heart rate monitoring through your ears,
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which feels kind of scary, but that is more accurate than doing so on the wrist.
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Or maybe they can monitor other things that is not necessarily heart rate.
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Maybe they can…
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Well, I've been doing like, you know, I was kind of reading a little bit more about
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I think it actually speaks to a problem that you have, which is reliability of just the
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And like if you were working out with your Apple Watch on and your heart detecting earpods,
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it might, AirPods, it would do a better job of accurately getting your heart rate correctly
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because it has multiple places to pull that data from.
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So the Apple Watch is going to be more useful overall if you want to have data multiple
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times throughout the day, but maybe if you also wear AirPods during a workout, which
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is maybe the time where you're most interested in having super accurate data down to the
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second, in some cases, maybe that's how Apple is trying to set it as. And if you also wear
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AirPods Pro, your workouts will be monitored with even more accuracy or something like
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Until then, until these new fancy AirPods come out sometime next year, it is likely
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that we will see an AirPods 2 which would have hands-free Siri, because right now you
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have to double tap to speak to Siri, so this would be using the Ahoy! telephone trigger
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phrase like combination, and there would be a new chip that powers them which would allow
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for this. And of course what we already know about that new wireless charging case, which
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I believe Apple will probably still sell separately if and when AirPower ships. Although I think
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the likelihood of that is decreasing the closer we get to a new version of AirPods coming
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out. I think they may only sell it for a limited time if at all. Because they may just bring
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out the new AirPods and be like "hey these are way better anyway give us more money"
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and then they don't have the complexity of selling this random AirPods case as well.
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That would be a shame if they did that but I see it as a possibility but that I reckon
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September we will get like AirPods 2 which will have this.
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There's a couple of things I wanted I would like more battery just because why not you
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know I'd like better battery life in the second version.
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thing I would like is faster device switching. So whilst AirPods are better than anything else I've
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ever used, like if I'm switching from my iPhone to my iPad, sometimes still takes longer than I would
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want. You know, I come sitting and just like watching a spinner for like 20 seconds or something
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for them to pair up, I would like that to be quicker. And I would hope that a new chip, like a
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you... is it the W chip? They have like W1 in them, right? Yeah, I would hope that, I
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guess W3 or W2X, because the W2 exists but is not... or maybe they just put the W2 in
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these now. I mean, whatever it's going to be, I would hope that that maybe help with
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that more, you know, like if they can beef up and maybe put more special sauce on the
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whole thing, who knows? They love the special sauce on the AirPods. That's why they're adding
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the water resistance so you can put even more sauce on them and it doesn't destroy them.
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You can just put as much sauce on as you want.
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So I would like that.
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That would be one thing.
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And again, it's already better than anything else we've ever used for switching devices,
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but I would like it to be better even still.
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I use a Mac app called Tooth Fairy and it just puts a little icon in your menu bar and
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it forces them to drop their connection elsewhere and connect to the Mac.
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if you think switching between iOS devices is bad try switching from your
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iPhone to your Mac it is like I've had it where like one of them switches or
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they switch and they drop back to the phone for like no apparent reason and
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this has I don't know what it's doing it can't be good but it is doing something
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to force them to to move over to the Mac and that I have found handy because I
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use them for things like slack calls or like if we just have a quick phone call
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It's not a podcast and I don't want to you know power up my amp and you know if I just want to use the airpods
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Maybe I'm already even wearing them. Then it's just a quick and easy way to do that
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And so I've got that running on my Mac now
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One thing I would really like to see and it's totally like silly
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but I'd love to have a black finish on them like I I
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Don't mind the white
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But I would prefer black and I think black would look cool and I think if Apple
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wants to like like in a way AirPods are like the most generic Apple product has ever been
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like it's just white earbuds that they cut the cables off of but I think a black finish
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could show hey this is hey this guy's got the new ones you know it could be a little
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status symbol in there and I think black.
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Stop the email yes we know color color wear will paint them for you.
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And if you want to wait until like September.
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- I was gonna say, $2.99.
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$2.99 ships in early August, that's the current color wear.
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- Okay, so if you don't wanna do that,
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and I think that they would do a better job at blending in,
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I mean, I see AirPods a lot more than I used to in the gym,
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but I still have that self-consciousness factor sometimes,
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like they're white and they stand out,
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I think black would sort of disappear a little bit better,
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and I would like that, so some sweet black AirPods.
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- Oh wait, it's $3.39 if you want the case as well.
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It's $40 more for the case.
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But I didn't know this.
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You can have them in three different colors.
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You can like, everything can be a different color.
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You can left run right one on the case can all be different colors.
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That sounds right up your alley, Myke.
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No I don't want that.
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They do look cool though.
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There it is.
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Damn the pictures look good.
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Like you've got them in like metallic finishes and stuff.
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Put a link in the show notes so people can see them.
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There's a couple of things I would love to have in the AirPods.
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I mean of course more, you know, longer battery life and extended range so that I can just
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freely walk around the house and it won't drop the connection. Also I would love to
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have a native Siri that actually sounds great, like great voice quality because right now
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Siri kind of sounds like it's shouting at you from a different room into your ears.
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I would love to have...
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Yeah, because it's coming from the iPhone, like it's shouting from your pocket.
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I would love to have an actual Siri inside the AirPods. But really my main thing is volume
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control and I think we were discussing this when the AirPods came out two years ago and
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I haven't changed my mind. I want to be able to slide my finger on the AirPods to change
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the volume. I hate, hate, hate the tapping. I hate the tapping. I've never gotten used
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to it. It works like three quarters of the time and it's never a nice experience to thud
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the side of my ear. I mean it gets the job done but it also feels kind of stupid.
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I think just swiping on the AirPods would be much more subtle and also it would be perfect
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for volume control because you're literally swiping the volume up and down. So yeah,
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hopefully you know AirPods Pro will have these features but I don't know maybe Apple is against
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swiping on your on a little thing that comes out of your ear. I don't know it just feels right to
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to me but we'll see. Alright as well as AirPods is the return to rumor of what I
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think at the time we called head pods the over ear headphones that are likely
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to be high-end in price and construction apparently according to this
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Bloomberg report they are intended to be higher end than the Beats products.
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Anytime we talk about Apple and Beats I think it's worth checking in on the
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Beats brand and I know Federico I think out of the three of us are you the only
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one who owns any Beats products? I don't know any. Multiple Beats products even. Multiple.
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I just. Yeah. So why? Like what is Apple doing a good job at keeping that brand separate enough?
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Like what's your feel on the Beats landscape right now? I think they've done a pretty good job at
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having some features from what they've been doing on iOS and on the watch and sort of trickle down
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into the Beats product line, which I kind of see as two things going on. One of them
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is of course keeping the brand identity and the mass appeal for people. People can recognize
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Beats, it's still got a huge presence, at least when I walk around Rome and I see people
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wearing Beats.
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Yep. It's a huge brand that doesn't have any of the negative connotations attached to Apple
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It's all kind of separate and actually a lot of folks don't even know it's owned by Apple.
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Exactly, right? Like it stands for itself still. Good and bad.
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And maybe even more than, you know, Instagram as a separate thing from Facebook, almost.
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I see some parallels there. But really, what I think Apple is doing here is they're almost
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treating the Beats products as a testbed for some features that later maybe they will become
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part of the main Apple products. So for example, they've been doing the W1 chip in the B-TEX,
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in the Studio 3. They've been doing Siri integration on the Studio 3, which I bought at WWDC and
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I've been loving them. It works really, really well. They've slightly improved the noise
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cancellation in the Studio 3. And again, I wouldn't be surprised if both, you know, if
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The Studio 3, for example, is Apple testing the idea of a better audio chip and better
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Siri and noise cancellation in an over-ear headphone product.
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Maybe in the future it could inform making actual Apple headphones or whatever that thing
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is going to be called.
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So the idea of... and also the fact that Beats products are... it's not like one single Beats
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accessory, it's a line of products. And so the idea of having multiple AirPods versions
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and having the separation between AirPods and headphones, I think, you know, having
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these is probably informing Apple in how to deal with separating different product lines
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and having these custom technologies such as the W1 chip and in the future maybe the
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the W2 or W3, becoming part of these tiny devices that can be either earbuds or what's
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the name of the on-ear headphones such as the Solo and the over-ear such as the Studio.
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So I think it's interesting that it's still a separate thing for marketing purposes, but
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also maybe from a technological point of view it also helps.
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So apparently Apple had planned to launch these in 2018 but had some problems in development
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and they're now being targeted for a 2019 release for these over ear headphones.
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So weird for modern Apple, I can't believe they would have a product.
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Well, well, it's better than to announce it and then not ship it.
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I have no problem with them having problems and it not being delayed.
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It's not actually late.
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I don't care about that.
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If they don't tell the date.
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Rest in peace AirPower.
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Like I, you know, for the point of that they're like yes, I've made my opinions on that kind
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of thinking quite clear in the past.
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But with these it's like, these aren't a thing that are late as such because it's not a defined
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timeline, right?
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Like it's a brand new product, right?
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So it's kind of is what it is.
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If they're having problems developing a brand new product I kind of don't care.
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I'm interested to see what they end up doing though.
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Now the Bloomberg article says nothing more about HomePod other than saying in the intro
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that it's being worked on for 2019.
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No details, just a new HomePod, which isn't really saying much.
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And of course, as has become our way, if a rumor keeps popping up, we like to decide
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to make some predictions about it.
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So considering we've seen a bunch of this stuff in the past a couple of times, and it
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looks like it's going to be pretty long term. We're going to make in round robin style,
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in traditional round robin style, some predictions. No problem. Some predictions based on the
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potential for Apple's future line of audio products after this break. I want to thank
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round robin today I get first pick and what we're going to do here is we're going to make
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bunch of predictions about AirPods and HeadPods and HomePod about over the next, I reckon,
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up until the end of 2019. So we're going for some real nice long-term stuff here. Some
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things that we think that Apple might do with their audio-based products. I'm going to go
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first and I'm going to say AirPods to gain more controls via touch actions. This is what
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we were speaking about a minute ago. It feels like an inevitable thing to me that you will
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be able to at least do something more than tapping to access some kind of action on the
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AirPod. It just feels like something that people wanted for a long time and even if
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it isn't something as nice as like gently stroking it to change the volume, at least
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just being able to touch or get an option to touch the AirPod to pause rather than tap,
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that would be real nice. I also, I was very careful with my picks here to not make them
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too complicated. Every one of my picks had like two sentences and I brought them down
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to one sentence because I know I've been burned by that in the past.
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That's where you get...
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That's where I always get... I always just ruin myself by being like "touch actions like
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this!" No, not in the actual pick. The actual pick is "Airports to gain more controls via
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touch actions." That's the pick.
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I'm going to go with a similar simple pick and one that I think would fit in. I already
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about it, I think it would fit well with the other Beats products and everything else Apple
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does, at least one more color option comes to AirPods. I'm not even saying what color,
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but just at least one more option. I think people would like choices, I think people could use it as
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a fashion accessory, Apple uses this on all other sorts of products, I think it would be Swell.
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Yeah, I think the only reason they didn't get it the first time was because they couldn't make
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enough of them. They could barely make them in white. They just did one color option.
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So I feel like at this point they should be good enough at building these things so they
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could at least have a black one or a gold one or whatever.
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Or space grey would probably be right, not gonna make black, it'll be space grey.
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Whatever color space grey will take.
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I'm going with the AirPods line is splitting two, so the, I don't know if it's like a base
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version and a pro version, I don't care about the name, but there's going to be two versions
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and the base one gets a small price drop.
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- Ooh, you did an and.
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And is always tricky in these predictions.
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- Risk it this time.
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So yeah, two, like the line gets split in two versions
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and the base one is slightly cheaper than it currently is.
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- I'm gonna go with a HomePod pick.
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I think that the next HomePod in 2019
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will be a mini HomePod. I think the HomePod as it is, is probably not going to change
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for a while. I don't know how much more they could do in a year or 18 months or something
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to that piece of hardware that is desperately needed to it. When if they had a mini HomePod,
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something that was cheaper, something that was easier to put in more rooms, I think would
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be ultimately a better product for them to make like a $99 version which is just this
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little guy with nice speaker you know like and you can maybe power on battery power so
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you could take outside or whatever but I think that a mini HomePod in 2019 would be a welcome
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product and I think is their most likely next version of the HomePod.
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I don't know how I feel about that one but I guess we'll see.
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I just don't know if they could, their whole thing was right, it sounds so great because
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we packed all this technology in it.
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And if we know anything from like the Google devices or the Echo devices or any other like
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regular non-smart speaker, is it when you go down in size it's hard to get that quality
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and volume out of it?
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And maybe Apple could do it, but I just, I'd be very interested to see how that device
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sounded compared to the regular HomePod and how they pitched that.
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This yeah, but like it's a different pitch, right?
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it sounds great and it's so small not like it fills the room like they can make
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a nice sounding small speaker like they exist yeah right like remember those
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like Jambox dealios whatever they're called? They were fine you know like that
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you can make a decent speaker that's small it's but then the pitch is that it
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sounds good and it's small like rather than it sounds good and it fills the
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room. So I'm gonna go with a HomePod price drop. And... You're gonna put a timeframe on that?
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No, however long this round robin is good for. Well, up until the end of 2019,
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there you go. I feel like by the end of this year, I reckon holiday season, the
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HomePod gets a drop. I'll give it another year. I'll say before the end of 2019. I
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I can't imagine they're selling in huge numbers.
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I think the price has a lot to do with that.
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And I just think that Apple may need
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to make an adjustment there.
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- I think it's too expensive.
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- It is. - For what it is.
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- I think it is too.
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- What is it still?
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- It's like 999, no it's 349?
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Yeah, Federico knows he's bought six.
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- No, I have three, only three.
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Alright, so I will go with a very specific one.
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I think that ShortCuts, the app, will gain new AirPlay 2 actions to play audio on specific
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So I think ShortCuts will have native AirPlay 2 actions so that you can create your own
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custom ShortCuts to have certain playlists or songs or podcasts play on individual speakers,
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which may include HomePods and of course other AirPlay 2 speakers.
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So AirPlay 2 actions is something that I really want to see in the future of shortcuts.
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I don't know if the first version of the app will have them, but I think by the end of
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next year shortcuts will have native AirPlay 2 automation.
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It's a very specific one, I told you.
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That is incredibly specific.
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But I appreciate your specificity.
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I think that Apple will create some kind of new noise cancellation technology. I think
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that they will have a thing, their Apple version of a whatever it is, right? Good or bad. It
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doesn't need to be good or bad, but like I think they will do something where they say,
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"You want to know how we get noise cancellation into these AirPods? It's because we created
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this thing and they have this whole thing that they have done that goes into the AirPods
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and the head pod, you know, or whatever, about some way that they've enhanced everything
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we've ever thought about when it comes to noise cancellation like they did. What was
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it called? Stereoscopic? What is that thing? 3D sound? Whatever they call that. The home
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pod nonsense. Where it's not stereo, but it's that other thing. It's the same idea.
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They're not going to call this noise cancellation. They're going to call it with some fancy name
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like quiet time or something like that. Yeah or like active room detection sound noise
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you know. We could workshop in that. We mentioned this earlier. Apple talk. That's a different
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thing. Myke you and I both dislike noise cancellation. I think for the same reason it makes me sick.
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Like it makes me sick to my stomach. Yeah it makes me feel nauseous. Yeah. And so I
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I hope that whatever they do either doesn't do that, but I'll be shocked
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because I'm extremely sensitive to that sort of thing.
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So I just hope it's optional that I don't want this in all AirPods.
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I don't want this in all headphones.
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Put it as a high end option, like the rest of the market.
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And let me continue to use AirPods without it forever, please.
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Or even let me toggle, right?
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Let me, let me, you know, cause there might be other things I want in products
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that have this, but let me not use it.
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Uh, so mine, I'm a curious if you guys are going to allow this, but it's a better
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incorporation of Apple news into the audio ecosystem, like especially into the home pod,
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I think, where right now you can tell it to play the news and you can pick between a couple
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of different partner, you know, Fox, NPR, etc. And I think there's a real rise and I'm
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selfish because I host one of them. But there's a real rise and like these super short, like
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minute to minute audio updates.
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We have one called subnet, and I just wonder
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if there's a way to make that more
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of a pronounced feature in the HomePod,
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or even in Siri and what it does with audio.
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Just so you could say, "Hey, tell me the news,"
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and you could have it stringing together
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several different sources, or even from a marketing point,
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like some sort of push of news and audio being together,
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it's a real important little corner of podcasting and audio production and I
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think Apple would do well to sort of flesh that out a little bit. With the
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Echo you can say I want to play NPR then I'll play subnet then I'll play something
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else and you can kind of fake that with like a playlist and podcast but it's
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it's kind of clunky. Apple's doing a big push on Apple news we didn't get to talk
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about this week but they're busy doing Apple news stuff and I'd like to see
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Apple news and Siri audio HomePod stuff become closer together somehow.
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I mean I'm happy to let you have it because I don't see it happening.
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So like if I'm playing to win then you can have that pick because I don't really see
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that as a thing that they would spend severe marketing time on other than just like a podcast
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app feature which is not necessarily geared around a specific thing for their audio products.
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Right? I feel like that's two different things. Like if the podcast app gets something like
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this, you didn't get that.
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Well if you get to control it with Siri I do.
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No cause that's Siri.
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No but Siri and the HomePod, it's all like one thing.
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Right no but if they stand there and they're like "here's this new feature for Siri" and
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they demo the Siri feature. I think that's very different to like it works on the AirPods,
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like that's two different things. We will adjudicate that when the time comes, but I
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don't think you're going to get that one. Federico, do you want to finish off the round?
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Do you want to round out this Robin? My final one is again a specific one. I'm going to
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say that the headphones will be... That name cracks me up every time. They will be wireless
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only and they will have no headphone jack and they will charge either via lightning
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or USB-C. So, it's a bunch of different things all at once.
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What if they go truly wireless only? You have to buy an AirPower.
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I think you're right. No headphones, Apple releases past Beats. Any new thing I think
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is going to be wireless only like the AirPods or the BeatsX. I think that's I
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think that's a lock. The BeatsX uses lightning now my wife has a pair she
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likes them she came on the show and talked about them so I think there's
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even precedent there so I think while this may be specific on the surface I'm
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not sure you're really saying much that isn't true now which is interesting so I
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think that I think that you could be on track with this. There you go we'll see. I
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- I hope they don't call it HeadPods.
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That's the worst name.
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- Best name ever, HeadPods.
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- It's the best name for our purposes here.
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Bad name for a product.
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- If you wanna reach out to us this week,
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you can do so over on the website,
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relay.fm/connected/199.
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Remember, we're taking next week off,
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but I'll be back on July 11th for episode 200 of Connected,
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which is very exciting.
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We have, I think, our sponsors this week,
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Pingdom, Smile and Hover.
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And of course, I wanna thank my co-host.
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You can find Federico Vitici on Twitter, @vitici,
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V-I-T-I-C-C-I, and he is the editor and chief
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of maxstories.net.
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He's not just the editor, he's not just the chief,
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he is both, very powerful man.
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- He's also in.
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- Yeah, the editor's in the chief.
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It's very complex.
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You also have, of course, Myke Hurley.
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You can follow Myke on Twitter as I-M-Y-K-E,
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Myke host a bunch of shows over at relay.fm so if you like connected I bet you
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you'll find something else that you like there. You can find me on Twitter as
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ismh and I write and make YouTube videos under the name 512 pixels and until
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well I don't know when you're coming back Myke so whatever but until
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Federico until next time I speak to you say goodbye. Adios.
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See you in August suckers bye!