206: A High Appreciation for Winning
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- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 206.
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It is brought to you this week by our sponsors,
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TextExpander, Linode, and Molekule.
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I'm your host, Steven Hackett,
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and for the first time in eight weeks,
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I am joined by both of my co-hosts.
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Federico, how are you?
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- Hi, I'm back, I guess.
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Hi, I'm great. How are you?
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It's good to have you back.
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And we also have Myke.
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Everyone's together.
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All is right in the world again.
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We are once again a whole and I'm very happy.
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Yeah, I was missing the show.
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It was weird not to do podcasts
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for three weeks straight basically,
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but it was also kind of weird not to do connected as a trio.
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A very long time.
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I kind of feel like I forgot how to podcast in this past couple of weeks, so I'll probably
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do some silly mistakes like, I don't know, talking about things that Steven doesn't like.
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I suppose that's what we've done.
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So we should do follow-up.
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We should jump straight into follow-up, Steven.
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Why are you not doing follow-up already?
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We're going to do follow-up right now.
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We've been talking a lot about new-- Follow-up.
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people with podcasts have been talking about new iPhones and just today or it seems like there's
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some signs of a fourth new phone this year so we've talked about the the new iPhone 10,
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the new iPhone 10 plus, an iPhone 9 and now I think for discussion purposes what we'll call
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the iPhone 7c as a Steven Steve Trout Smith kind of nicknamed it on Twitter the idea this phone is
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it seems internally very much like an iPhone 7. Of course that would mean that
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it could be readily available and cheaper than new phones. There were
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rumors that the iPhone 9 was going to come in colors. Now I kind of think that
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maybe those rumors were about this phone. So maybe we're gonna have like a new, not
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new iPhone SE because rest in peace 4-inch phones, but a new low-end iPhone
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based on the 7, maybe with some slight tweaks or updates.
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What do you guys think about this?
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Can I ask a question?
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That like, you know, this is one of those questions where people like,
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"Oh, Myke, you're so silly."
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What Steve says in his tweet is that it has the same screen resolution, right?
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Does that mean the same physical size?
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No, not necessarily.
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Because my question on that would be like...
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that's it depends on the DPI of the screen so it could be and forgive me
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Steven this is where you should come in but if it's a different type of density
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could be the same resolution but a different physical size is that it could
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yeah I mean my my gut says that it's the iPhone 7 screen size only because the
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rumors also say the iPhone 9 is going to be bigger and and maybe they still want
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something just like the do with the SE right they stepped up to the bigger
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phones but they left one older phone behind and they're gonna do that again
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so maybe they're gonna reuse the 4.7 inch or what is what is the iPhone 7 4.5
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4.7 inch somewhere in there 4.7 I think. Well I guess you could
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have an outside hope right which is very slim extremely slim that they're gonna
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make a really small phone that has no home button that could be your only hope
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right that like it's 4.7 inches but it has no home button so it's gonna be
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small like the iPhone SE that's your only hope right which is it's of
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incredibly far outside hope but stranger things have happened yeah I mean I think
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that Occam's razor says that this is gonna be a cheap iPhone 7 I know but I
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like to give the people hope you know yeah but but but but false hope is is a
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is a different thing.
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- No, no, no, no.
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You never know, right?
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No, you should know, you should know it's not gonna happen.
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But it is very strange to me that they would,
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well, I guess the reasoning for this, right?
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So over the last few weeks,
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I've been talking to Jason on an upgrade about this stuff.
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And one of the things that people keep telling us is like,
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oh, I really don't want the new,
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like to get a new phone that's big, right?
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because all of the rumors are saying that there's going to be three new phones that
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follow the iPhone X's design convention and the one in the middle is bigger than the current
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iPhone X, right?
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So it's got an LCD screen but it's got like a six inch LCD screen or something so it's
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a bigger phone but it's going to be the cheapest one because it's going to have an LCD screen
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and people have been saying to us, "Oh, you know, I don't want to have to buy a new iPhone
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that's big. I don't want a big phone and I don't want to spend a thousand dollars.
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I guess this phone is for those people, right? Like,
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you can still get a smaller phone, it's still
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newer in some way but isn't gonna be, isn't gonna break the bank.
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I don't know. Wouldn't it be funny if they call it the iPhone XS,
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as in X and small, like t-shirts?
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Yes, but it would have to look like the iPhone X though, right?
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Yeah, that would be the problem I suppose, yeah.
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I don't know, do we think are we gonna call it the 7 or the SE again?
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I don't think they should call it the 7 because it feels instantly old.
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So I will call it the new iPhone SE because the special edition feels like a timeless name.
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Yes, I think it would be the iPhone SE 2, which is probably the name that it would get.
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Because you couldn't even call it the 7 because the 7 is older than the 8, right?
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Like that's just like you're dooming this phone at that point.
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So this will probably become iPhone SE 2 or something like that and then maybe they still
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sell both versions of SE for a bit.
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So you know, which would be super weird but again, stranger things have happened.
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This feels like the way that they might go down that and then you never know, they could
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update the SE as well.
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There's nothing to say they couldn't at least put a new chip in it.
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I don't know.
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I think that's all.
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I think that's all fair game.
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So we'll, I guess we'll see, you know, the,
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well we talked about it when we talked about the phones,
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you know, is moving up a mistake.
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And Myke, to your point, there are clearly people
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who want something smaller.
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I married to an iPhone SE user, she's not thrilled
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that it's probably going away.
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But I gotta imagine that something as cheap as the SE,
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or like in that price range, would do well.
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Because I think the SE did better than Apple expected.
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Like, they're in the world and having something that sort of takes the best of what bigger
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phones have to offer but at a lower price point, it may be a hit.
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So, we'll see.
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You know, we're really at this point, what, like three weeks away from an iPhone event
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I mean, we're getting close and I think we'll learn more about this mysterious fourth phone
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before it's all over.
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Getting close to an iPhone event means getting close to software releases like iOS 12 and
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macOS Mojave and I'm kind of just wondering how you two are doing with your views.
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Steven have you actually worked out if you're ever gonna...
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I feel like you know we do these check-ins and like Federico's like "oh I'm this far
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in" but everyone for you is like "I don't know if I'm doing it yet" so have you made
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I have made a decision. I haven't done any work yet because as we're going to talk about in a minute, I've been very busy
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but I am going to take the route that I talked about and do a couple of
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like in-depth feature articles about new things in Mojave as opposed to doing an overall review
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My guess is the feature like those articles
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I'm probably gonna have similar amounts of time in them
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but I really just want to do something different and fresh this year because I've done a
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Mac OS review on
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512 since mountain lion and this feels like maybe it's time to do something a little bit different. I did that with Yosemite. I
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did a review of the redesign and not the OS itself and like I really I still like really like that article
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I'm really happy with how it came out
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and so I think doing something a little bit different this year will give me some some flexibility to
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To change it up a little bit. So that's my plan
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I haven't started anything yet that is on the plate for next week, but that's that's my plan not a full review
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but like look at a couple of interesting features in Mojave. I think if you do a
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couple of things like your dark mode article then yes that would more than
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suffice because you know like there isn't a lot that changes now you would
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be treading a lot of the same water again right you just become just
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retreading a path that you would have tread the years before because they
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don't change a ton. Like maybe next year or the year after, right, with
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marzipan there could be some serious stuff to talk about in a Mac OS review
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again but it doesn't... outside of dark mode there's not really any huge
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blockbuster features that would really warrant you spending time and going
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through everything. Federico, how are you doing?
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I'm doing great. I'm doing great I think actually for the first time in I think
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three four years I was able to take a real vacation without doing the review
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during the vacation like I was actually spending time with my girlfriend and my
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dogs without worrying about the review which was nice really nice actually so
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the review is made of nine chapters and at this point five of five of them have
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been finalized, where I mean they've already been edited four times and I don't plan on
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making any major changes to them.
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And I'm in the process of finalizing chapter six, which will be the big one about shortcuts,
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and chapters seven and eight are relatively easy to do because they talk about miscellaneous
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apps and everything else.
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And I still need to write the conclusion.
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So this is a different approach from previous years.
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I'm leaving the conclusion for, I think next week,
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I'll probably start writing the conclusion,
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which is gonna be about a thousand words tops.
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So I'm in a really good place
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in terms of progress and schedule.
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I've never been this relaxed,
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relaxed by the 20th something, 22 of August.
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So I think it definitely helps
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that the review is about 30% shorter than last year.
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Part of that is because I think iOS 12 doesn't
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have the same major changes of iOS 11
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when you consider the iPad and just how much I
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wrote about the iPad.
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But it's also because I took a different approach.
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As I mentioned in June, before starting to work on the review,
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I said, I don't want to take as much a technical approach
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in describing all of the new APIs
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and all of these technical details that people don't necessarily care about.
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And I try to keep true to that by avoiding the, you know,
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getting too deep into the technical stuff and trying to have a more approachable
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or, you know, trying to have the sort of the tone of the people.
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Like if you're a regular person installing iOS 12, what do you see?
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How do you react to these changes?
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And of course, there's a bit of technical stuff here and there.
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And the shortcuts chapter will be more technical
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for obvious reasons.
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But I think overall, I feel happy with this review.
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I'm happy with the kind of tone and approach that it's got.
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And I'm also much more organized
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in terms of leaving placeholders in the review for videos
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and screenshots and galleries that I need to do.
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I'm tracking everything in drafts
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and I'm tracking everything with smart lists
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in my task managers, which it's, I said managers plural
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because it's a whole conversation that we'll have later on.
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- Here we go again.
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- Look, there's a very good reason for this.
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And we will talk about-
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- There's always a good reason.
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There's always a good reason.
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It's why I changed them, because it's a good reason.
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And for the first time, also, in years,
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I have made the decision of not forcing myself
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to wait for GM to take screenshots,
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because I've realized I've run comparisons
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between the archives of my beta 8 and beta 9 screenshots
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that I saved for iOS 7 and iOS 11 in previous years,
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and the GM version.
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and the images look the same.
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And I basically, I was convincing myself,
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oh no, I need to wait for GM
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because it's going to be slightly different,
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but no, it's gonna be the same.
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Beta 9, Beta 10, they're always the same basically.
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So in the review, you will not notice,
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but there will be screenshots taken from Beta 9 or Beta 10.
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And I don't care because it's more the principle
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of not taking those screenshots than anything else really.
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and I need to optimize my time.
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So yeah, this is a long answer to your question.
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I'm doing great and I think we will be great
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and it gives me time to work on the stuff
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that surrounds the review, like promotion,
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like the club, like other projects involving the review.
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It's gonna be fun, I think.
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- We're still sounding very positive and pleased.
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- Yeah, my girlfriend says that I'm different
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from last year, which makes me happy because last year I was a train wreck at this point.
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So the fact that I'm still at the beach and being able to enjoy the beach and play with
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the dogs and also work on the review in the evening, I think it's a good sign.
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As a reminder, we have a bonus episode that will be coming out on September the 4th, which
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will be our discussion of the wonderful movie The Pirates of Silicon Valley.
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But, Derecka, have you seen that movie before?
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No, years ago, though.
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In Italian also.
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Interesting.
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Are you going to be watching it in English this time?
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I wonder how different that's going to be.
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I didn't even think that they would have translated it, but that's kind of cool, I guess.
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Steven, while we're in an announcement section, would you like to talk about New March?
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Yes, can you say it again though?
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I think that was really good.
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I want like horns and stuff if you're able to do that for me, that would be incredible.
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Like some real exciting stuff?
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So we have relaunched our merchandise store, it is in partnership with the Cotton Bureau
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and that lets us do some really cool things.
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We've got four items up right now, we've got a new t-shirt.
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I'm hyping for you, keep going!
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It sounds like you're having some sort of a...
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It's fine, just keep going!
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Shirt, a hat, enamel pin, enamel pin, and what may be my favorite, challenge coin.
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Challenge coin which I have right here. Mm-hmm, and it's heavy hit it against the microphone. I'm like I'll hit against my desk. Okay
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Man you can keep a coin in your hands it bounced off my desk onto the floor, but it's fine because it's uh
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Challenge coin. So if you head over to relay FM slash store, you can check this stuff out the
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The pins and the coins are in stock now the shirts and hats will be in stock in mid-september
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If you order something with a shirt or hat, we're gonna hold your order until everything comes in
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So we just have to ship it once and charge you for shipping once
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I would say if you want a coin
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If you're really excited about that and you're listening to this I would hurry because the first batch is getting ready to be sold out
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Yeah, also of these items will be in stock
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So Steven, I saw on Twitter a couple of days ago
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that you had to resort to compressed air again
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in your life, I believe.
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Your MacBook Pro keys are getting stuck.
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Is that true?
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- How many days was it old?
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That was the joke in the post.
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- 23 day old MacBook Pro.
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Space bar got stuck.
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So I did the compressed air trick.
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It helped, but it wasn't completely fixed.
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And so then I made a genius appointment,
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but by the time that genius appointment rolled around,
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it seemed fine again, so I canceled it.
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So seems okay, but this feels like some sort of like military exercise.
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Like once the hull has been breached, it's just a matter of time.
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So not super optimistic about this keyboard fix, but we'll see how it goes.
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Do you feel like they should start including compressed air in the MacBook Pro box?
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It'd be good.
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Little like little packets of compressed air.
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Little packets of air.
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Can you can you sell air as a like as an object?
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What's your name has tried
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You know the what's the crazy like health not health store people make fun of theranos. No
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What is going on
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Think you're thinking of the Avengers movie. So yeah
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So anyways, I like the laptop otherwise and the keyboard seems okay now, but it like definitely put the fear in me
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So now I have the fear in me about this keyboard, but for now, I'm okay
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keyboard fear
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So as you moved away from keyboards and into screenshots instead
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Can you explain what the aqua screenshot library is?
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Yeah, so let's talk about this
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The my idea was this is a this is a huge like mini website on 512 pixels and the idea was
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to have a collection of screenshots of every major version of
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Mac OS Mac OS 10 since the public beta so everything from the public beta forward because
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Well, we get into the reasons, but that's what it is
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So you can go through and you can select your version so I go in here and I can select
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Jaguar and I can see all the screenshots from Jaguar that I created they're all sorted the same way
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So you can like you can like see you know, what finder home looked like
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You know throughout the years how the hell
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Specific things have changed. I know that that
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You have a slightly different
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Sense of like what's important to you than I do like we you know with most human beings we value things
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differently about what we consider to be important in our lives and I know
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That like all of Apple stuff. All right. Why did you do this? What is this for? Okay, there's two answers to this
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One answer is I just wanted it to exist but okay
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But what what put what where the idea came from?
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Actually came from this show and so we spoke about oh no a long time ago
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We spoke about software preservation and like that article like this has been in the work
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So I started this the end of last year. I took my first screenshot in March
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It took a couple of months to like find all the installers like
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Trying to find a copy of Panther that will install a CD that actually works took a little bit of time
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but that conversation like really set me on a path to really think about like my
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Like collecting and what I try to do because it's easy to collect and preserve hardware
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But and we talked about this on that episode as hardware dies
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The software that runs on it will disappear right so at some point every computer that can run system 7
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will be dead and system 7 will be gone and
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That's already happening with early versions of OS X
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It's hard to like for the public beta for instance
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You have to jump through a lot of hoops to get to run
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Even if even if these machines ran forever most people just don't have experience with these things
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So I wanted to let people who didn't see this stuff in its day
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You did kind of get a feel for what it was like and I think you could do that
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I think there's so many images you can really get a sense like what each OS was like
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But in a world where like eventually you won't be able to run this stuff. I
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I just wanted to have a record that I sort of put together myself of what these things were like.
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And so I think that's the big reason. And it's, you know, from a
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business perspective, this project made no sense. I don't track my time, but I can tell you,
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a lot of time went into this. But I know we talked about the Relay membership, but I run
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run one of 512 pixels as well.
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And like that income like really made this possible
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because like if that is the bulk of the income
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from the site now is that membership.
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And if that wasn't there, I could not have justified this.
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But I feel like I could because I had that revenue.
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And I think I have over the years,
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I mean the site's gonna be 10 years old next month.
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I think over the years, I have built 512 into a brand
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of like if you wanna know about this stuff,
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is where you go and this I think just is like a huge step in that direction.
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How do you do something like this? Because I know you have like a bunch of old computers
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around right which I'm sure can run some if not all of these OS versions but then like
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Like how do you even on some of the older ones get the screenshots off the machines?
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So I ran, I saw this in the blog post, I ran all of these OS's on actual hardware.
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None of this was like virtual machines.
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Would you can do that?
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Why did you do that?
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Wouldn't it have been easier to do virtual machines?
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It would have been easier on my back and moving towers around.
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But if you have the hardware, it is simpler to run it directly.
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Kind of feels like you're an OS hipster.
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Like, it's not authentic if it didn't run on the actual hardware, right?
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This is a home-grown Aqua screenshot.
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Yeah, this is an artisanal screenshot library.
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This is real farm-to-table screenshotting, you know?
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They're handcrafted.
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So, um, locally grown, they're all on actual hardware.
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And so I started with the, actually the public beta I did last, but, um, the.
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The public beta up through like 10, five ran on a couple of different G4 towers
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that I have, like with a display.
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So I had to buy a four by three screen because original versions of Mac
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OS didn't run on widescreen.
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They're only ran a four by three.
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So had to find a display and, uh, make the, make the images.
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Then I moved from that to a Mac mini and then to a couple of different retina MacBook Pros
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It's like one thing I want to do over and I just couldn't find a machine
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I could not find a retina MacBook Pro that I felt like I could
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Justify the expense on to run lion the retina machine. I borrowed from a friend. He's probably listening
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So thank you Ian for let me borrow your computer for like several weeks was
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Ran mountain lion that it didn't run lion. And so I'd like to remake lion at some point. But all this is on actual hardware and
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using the grab application which is part of Mac OS X to make make the screenshots.
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That's the thing that's about to get better right in Mojave. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I OS
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Yeah, Mojave like really expands what grab can do, you know, like markup and stuff, which is really great
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You'll notice if you look through these the first couple of versions
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the I have full screens for almost everything because in grab now you can screenshot just a window and that was not possible in the
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early days and
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And so a lot of the early images have like full screen or they're manually cropped depending on what they are.
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But eventually Grab got good enough where you could just select a single window, which is what I wanted.
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Do you know what? It kills me in like some especially some of the earlier ones where the menu bar is rounded
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but the screenshot goes further and the screenshot square but the menu bar is rounded at the edges. It kills me.
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- Not a good look.
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Not a good look.
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But yeah, so I used to grab all of these machines
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I had just on my local network.
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And so I could copy the screenshots off
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just from across the network using file sharing.
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So that was actually pretty straightforward.
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- That worked even on the older stuff?
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- Yep, yep, just plug it in and turn file sharing on
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and you're all set.
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So generally I would have it,
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I would have the test bench, the test machine on a desk,
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and I had my laptop, so I have a long Apple Note
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of every screenshot that I needed in order,
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and I would just walk through them,
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and I would copy the files off,
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and then I named them, named them,
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and then eventually upload them.
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So those are all kind of separate steps.
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- How did you decide what was important to screenshot?
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'Cause you haven't got every single screen
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in the entire operating system.
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- I don't. - Right?
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So why, how did you decide on the list?
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And then how did the list change over versions?
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So the terminology I came up with is it is comprehensive.
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It is not exhaustive.
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So it is not every screen in the OS, partially because that as impossible as
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this task was doing every screen would have been impossible.
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I'd be making screenshots for another three years.
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What I wanted was if someone looks through one of these galleries, they have a real
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sense of what this OS was like.
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And so I actually started at 10.0.
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I did the public beta last because the public beta,
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if you look through it, is so different.
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I was like, I can't base anything on this.
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Like, I'm gonna start with 10.0.
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And you know, I've been a Mac user for a long time,
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so I kind of had in my head like, okay,
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I want like really common Finder features.
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I want like some folders.
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I want some of the built-in applications,
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but not all of them.
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Like I'd sort of just picked sort of like
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what I felt were the most important ones.
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But then as the OS matures, I actually had to stop
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and most of the time I've read like skimmed
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like Syracuse's reviews for those that he wrote
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or watched the keynote again to make a list of,
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okay, in Panther what's new?
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Like what's new in Panther so I make sure that I grab that
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and then for the most part these features
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are like a snowball, right?
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Like it starts in 10.3 so that same feature
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is in 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, on and on and on.
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There are a few exceptions to that but,
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So like once something was on the list,
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it didn't come off.
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So like once, you know, something like Spotlight was there,
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well, Spotlight's in all the subsequent releases.
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So the list got much longer.
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Actually, you're gonna look the--
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- I like when FaceTime comes into it.
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- Mountain Lion is a real scene.
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- That's real bad.
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- That's a real thing going on there.
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I encourage people to go and check out the FaceTime
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off mountain lion to see I think an actual mountain lion.
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Let's see, let's look at this. FaceTime. That one, that one's my favorite.
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Yeah, that screenshot is probably made quite late at night.
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Yeah. It looks like, you know when you see those things where someone has stolen a computer
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But it had that software on it that would take a picture of the person stealing it.
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It's like someone getting ready to ship the computer to China or something.
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Yeah, it's the guy who's just stolen your laptop and that's the picture.
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This image could be used in news reports about stolen computers.
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Here's the perp that was caught on a MacBook.
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Because all of the other ones you either look happy or you're much differently groomed.
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That one is a...
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It's a real disaster.
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But you know, hey, I'm just, you know, you get what you get with me.
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Because that's the funny thing, right?
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So this is like a resource now.
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I mean, that's why you make it.
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It's a resource.
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It's a resource for you.
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It's a resource for other people that like the kind of thing that you like.
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But you know, maybe this will be entered into a museum in some time in the future, like
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many of your other projects at this point.
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But I would love if that happened and that picture of you is in the Smithsonian or something.
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That would be a lot of fun.
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Can I ask a few technical questions?
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I want to know if the images are full res or downsized.
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If so, which format did you choose?
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So I uploaded, so I use WordPress, so I uploaded to WordPress full res images.
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WordPress creates thumbnails, like in the gallery page you see a scaled down thumbnail,
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but if you go and you download the file and you can download all of them, you will get
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the full res image as a download.
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So it's 1.6 gigabytes of images in total.
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do you have enough money to pay for that?
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How does that work?
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Isn't that amount of,
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if 2,000 people download that,
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is that not a problem for you?
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- It may be.
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- All right, so go, no, don't do it.
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- That's true.
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- So I use a host, a WordPress host that's like,
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has a CDN built in,
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and I have a pretty big bandwidth cap on my account.
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I've never been over before,
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including with the, you know, like the 5k retina wallpapers I did last year, they still do like a
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thousand downloads a day like that that page is remarkably consistent. It's done. I forget tweeted
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it a couple like earlier this month. I forget how many hundreds of thousands of pages that has now.
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I've never had problems with it. So I'm keeping an eye on that. But unless you scrape my server,
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which please don't scrape my server. Unless someone does that, like it'd be so much work
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to download them all then you know I'm not too worried about that.
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That's the way to solve it right BitTorrent? Is that still a thing?
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Mm-hmm. It's probably still a thing. Sure. Any other technical questions Federico?
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Yeah I want to know how you renamed each file if you used like a like a batch
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rename solution or something like that? I did so the file name so let me go into
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to this. So if you look at my Mavericks folder, so like the Mavericks chess image
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is like 10-9-mavericks-chess.png and so when I created them as I was
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pulling them off them that like the test bench onto my laptop I just named what
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the screenshot was so I just named it chess and then I used Automator on the
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Mac to to do a couple things. One, earlier versions of Mac OS I had just forgotten
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gotten this save your screenshots as TIFF files and you can change that in
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terminal but I forgot on a couple releases because I set up each release
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fresh and so I had one work or one automator action to convert TIFF to ping
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because all these are PNGs and then I had another one that did my renaming so
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it added the 10 - 9 - maverick - in front of the file name. Alright so
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everything is automator is the one you okay yes all right yeah those are my two
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questions actually and also I wanted to have like a quick thought for you if you
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will I think you said that it didn't make sense from a budget perspective to
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do this kind of project honestly I think like this is marketing for you so the
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- It's brand.
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- It's not necessarily, yes, that's how you say it.
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But like sometimes you just gotta do things as an investment
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because it's part of your website,
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it's part of your persona,
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or it's part of your brand online.
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Like it's something that now,
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even though it was a huge time sink,
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now everybody's talking about it.
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In our community now,
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everybody's paying attention to this today
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and they associate your name and your website
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with this project.
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Anytime you do something like this and people say of course he did exactly did the right thing
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Right, like people are seeing this like what like course he did this
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I have another question for you though, but do you want to say anything on that?
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Because I have one last question for you. No, I think you're right and
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and like it never really was a
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like I never really like sat down thought like oh, I really shouldn't do this like
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When this idea came to me at the end of last year
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It really was a how do I do it like and that was the hardest part of like just putting my head around
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How do I make 1500 screenshots let alone like show them to people?
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Yeah, you're right
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Like I never really had a serious conversation with myself or with a spreadsheet about like well, you're gonna spend this much time on this
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part of that and part of that like
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When you're self-employed and you do a project like this part of the way that you sort of
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handle it is this was like a back burner thing, right?
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So like weeks that I had five podcasts to produce,
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I didn't work on this, right?
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I worked on my quiet weeks of recording
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or I worked on it in the evening.
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Like it was a side project to my main work.
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I didn't reschedule any podcasts to work on this.
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So a lot of this is like prioritization of tasks
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and of jobs and that's one reason this took so long
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because it was like I will slowly chip away at this.
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You can actually look if you look at the iCal or the calendar screenshots, that
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screenshot has an event for the day and time I made the images.
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And so you will see like make OS X lie in screenshots for like sometime in July or
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whenever it was. So that's like a little breadcrumb.
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You can kind of see how long it took me to do them.
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Upsack. Yeah.
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Right. So my last question for you is, are you now tied to this forever?
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Like, you're gonna do this for all of them now, right?
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Like, that's how this goes.
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- Well, you're assuming that my class
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is staying around for a long time.
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- Yeah, my plan is like, the way I view it, right,
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I did, what is it, 15 releases?
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And I'm only gonna have one a year in moving forward.
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So one thing, actually the three of us have talked about
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is how to handle Mojave.
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And the right way to handle it is to do two sets,
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light mode and dark mode.
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And my thought is, after Mojave,
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probably just picking light mode or unless dark mode kind of becomes the
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default but Mojave I think should have both because that's the first time
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they've done both so Mojave will be probably like 230 images or so probably
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like maybe like 250 but I do feel like if I want this to be a resource it's got
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to be updated and I can do a single OS in a day I got towards the end of this
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it went much faster because I had sort of everything in place now I'll lose a
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little time because I have to do it every year and kind of get reacclimated
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to the screenshot list and everything but I don't think like the bulk of the
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work is behind me in terms of like startup time so my my intention is to
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keep this thing updated as long as I as long as I absolutely can. Something else
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about the future though that's interesting I've gotten several
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comments about it actually just while just as we were recording updated the
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blog post. One thing I want to do and is not there now is I want there to be the
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ability that if you want to see every screenshot of the display system
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preference throughout the all the releases that there's a single page you
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can do that the gallery does not offer that right now like the the actually
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like WordPress itself doesn't offer me that right now so it's going to be some
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custom development or something that I haven't discovered yet to do that. So A, if you're
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listening and you're a WordPress person and you know an easy way to do this, let me know,
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please email me because I want it to do that.
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That it seems as almost seems as logical to do it that way than the way that you did it.
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Like you had to make a decision. I think you made the right one. Yes. But like sometimes
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it, it were in some instances it will be more interesting to see how did this change over
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time and then look at them all. Right. Yeah. And so that's something like I kind of just
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Once I was done making the images,
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I sort of had to decide what version one of this
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was going to be, and this is what I came down to.
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I can do it by release, and I sort them,
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the galleries are sorted manually, that took a long time,
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and they're in order throughout.
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So the desktop is always first in all of them.
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System preferences are always grouped at the end
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on all of them.
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So you can go through them manually
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and get a sense for where things are, but I want that to be easier.
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So that is a future improvement I want to make.
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Um, it's just not there.
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It wasn't there for release.
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Cause at some point you just got to ship the thing and I figured, you know,
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nine months of work, I probably should ship something and then I can come back
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and do that in the future.
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Well, go, everyone should go check it out.
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Five, 12 pixels.net.
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Of course, there'll be links in the show notes.
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I have a game I would like to play before we go to our next break.
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And it is a prediction game.
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because I saw on Twitter today people talking about our good friend AirPower.
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It is horrifically close to a year since AirPower was released, so I thought to myself,
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"When is AirPower going to come out?"
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So I would like, I think I have three options, okay?
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Before the iPhone event, released alongside the iPhone, or released at a later date than the iPhone.
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So, I would like us all to put a marker as to when we believe it will be released.
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And then we can check on this in a couple of weeks time I guess.
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What's the price?
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Is there a price?
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I don't know.
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For the competition?
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Just bragging rights I guess.
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It's like all the other predictions games that we play, you know?
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Well you didn't ask but I'll go first.
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I don't care.
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This isn't a like, if you say it, I can't say it.
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Right? Like, that's not how it works.
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You don't take it from everyone.
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Before the iPhone sometime
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around next week or the week after
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I think they
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really don't want to do, it's like an
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AirPlay 2 situation, they don't want to have
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WWDC and AirPlay 2 isn't out yet
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so they release 11.4
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Same with AirPower, they don't want to have another iPhone event and the thing that was on stage last year is still not out
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So just I can say that technically all the new iPhones already work with AirPower
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I think it will come out before
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Steven, when do you think?
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This is not what you're looking for. I think they will they will talk about it at the event and it will be by the end of
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The year so I'm gonna say the first week of December
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Okay, that's not one of the answers. So is you're saying release that a later date than the iPhone
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You don't have to give that specific.
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Yeah, after the iPhone.
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After the iPhone.
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I'm also going after the iPhone.
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Let me give you my reason for this Federico.
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I understand what you're saying, but they could just ship AirPlay 2 and then fix more
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stuff to it later if they need to.
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They can't do that with the hardware.
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If they're struggling to make this hardware, which it seems that's the case, they can't
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just put it out, right?
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Like, you can't just be like, "Oh, it's good enough.
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ship it and I figured that if it was good, if it was ready, it would have already been
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I don't feel that necessarily applies to Airplay 2 because you're dealing with partners, you're
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dealing with companies that make speakers with Airplay 2 in them. So it's not like,
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"Well, we can release a crappy protocol now."
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It's software though. It can't be updated with software, right?
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It's not like they're making Airplay 3 the week after. So it needed to be good and it
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was late but like I don't think just because it's all for it can be buggy and
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then they can fix it especially when you're dealing with companies like
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Sonos and others like Libra tone they're making speakers with a play too I don't
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think it's easy like that well I don't know the mark that we have set the marks
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none of us think that is coming out with the iPhone which could be where we all
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fall down but Federico says before and me and Steven say a date later but we
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No prize. No prize. No prize. No prize. It's purely bragging rights, you know, sometimes that's all it is
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Yeah, I don't I don't get it
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I never got competitions where you don't win you don't win a prize like when I hear when I hear parents say to
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You know these parents they say to their kids. It doesn't matter that you don't win
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Oh, you need to win. Okay when I have a kid, I'm gonna tell him you need to win
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I will come up with some kind of prize. All right, okay for the win and the winner will get a prize
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I don't know what it will be. I mean it's fun to play but it's better if you win.
00:45:56
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Okay. How do you feel about all of the other predictions that we set?
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So like our full year-on 2018 predictions, there's no prize for that.
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And the audio predictions, there were no prize for those either.
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Are we just gonna say that from now all of these, there'll be prizes for everything?
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Is that what you need? You could retroactively come up with
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prices for predictions that were already published.
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What happened to you on your vacation? Did someone did someone screw you out or something?
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Is that what's happened? Like now you require prizes?
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I just I have a higher appreciation for winning. That's what I'm saying.
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I'm more relaxed so I have more time to think about the things that matter in life.
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And for me winning is one of those things.
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Interesting.
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Did you miss me Myke?
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I'm keen to see how this plays out in the long term.
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All right, well, yeah.
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So Stephen, make note of the predictions and write down somewhere that Myke's promised a prize
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and then I'll work that out.
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You can't give your toilet trophy away as a prize.
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All right, well we're talking about old stuff, let's talk about the Mac Mini.
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Everyone's favorite computing device. Sounds good. So there was a report out by
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Bloomberg this week talking about a new low-cost laptop to replace the Air but
00:49:27
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we're gonna just side set that today and talk about the Mac Mini. This is a quote
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"For this year's model Apple is focusing for this year's model just by the way
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like as if they do it annually for this decade's model for this for this this
00:49:43
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new update to the regularly updated product Apple is focusing focusing
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primarily on pro users with new storage and processor options that are likely to
00:49:53
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make it more expensive than previous versions people said. So the question is
00:49:57
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what is a pro Mac Mini? What does that look like? Do you think there will be a
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pro focus Mac Mini or do you think it's gonna say it is? Do you think it will
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actually be something that is powered like a professional product or do you
00:50:10
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think that's just the line that they will go with? I think that there will be
00:50:16
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be aspects of it that will be pro-like, but that people who really want or need something
00:50:25
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like a Mac Pro will complain about it.
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I think what this means is you're going to have some high-end CPU options, it'll have
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fast SSDs, it'll have Thunderbolt 3.
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A ton of storage.
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You can put a few terabytes or something in there.
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I assume it would still be a not huge, not tiny, but like a chunky box, you know, which
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they could probably put a lot of stuff into.
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It's like my my kind of thought on this right to answer your question is, imagine the Mac
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Pro that we have before, but it's because it's all sealed up. Like what you will put
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in this thing is what will stay in this thing. And then the difference between it and the
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Mac Pro would be that the Mac Pro can be upgraded. Right? Like that that will be one of the
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I think one of the key differences between it other than just like raw power. Yeah, well, I think powers the bigger deal
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I envisioned this being more like a high-end MacBook Pro then then
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Yes, even like the iMac Pro like yeah, like I don't sit between
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MacBook Pro and iMac Pro in its capability level maybe or maybe even just the high-end MacBook Pro
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I don't I don't think anyone's gonna be confused if this is true and the Mac Pro ever ships
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I don't think anyone's gonna walk into an Apple store and wonder which one they should buy like I think that
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There is room in the Mac mini
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Especially especially when it's like 10 years old you can just do anything and it seems more pro like right like
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Anything's better
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That it will be faster and more capable than ever
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But its capabilities and performance will be nothing compared to the Mac Pro
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I think the Mac Pro is way at the top and the Mac Mini somewhere in the middle again like a high-end MacBook Pro
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I think that's a reasonable place to be if you look at where the Mac Mini used to be when it was competitive
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Back ten years ago. It was somewhere, you know high MacBook mid MacBook Pro
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spec like it wasn't the fastest machine in the world, but
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Very rarely was it super far behind?
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Anything else, you know, they did have a core solo at the beginning and that you know
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They've changed the price point a couple times, but the Mac Mini was reasonably
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respectable in terms of performance, so I
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Anticipate that to continue this is I don't think this means the Mac Mini is going to be expandable
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I do not think in any way this means that this machine the Mac Pro or the same computer like people always
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Try to do that. They always tried like oh, what does make an expandable Mac Mini and call it the Mac Pro
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These are different computers. Like this is not gonna have a Xeon in it
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I think that's the I think that's the rule that's the line
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I will be shocked at the Mac mini has a Z on it. I think that's an iMac Pro and Mac Pro exclusive
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So it's gonna be yeah, it was sit on it. It's like a professional machine
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Which isn't crazy expensive that you can put into your already existing setup, right? Yes, but
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What will make it more professional than the Mac mini before it like when the Mac mini came out?
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Not the one where they made it worse. So let's imagine the one before that. Mm-hmm
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Like was that machine considered to be powerful and then what would what would you do to make this one?
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To be considered a pro machine where the previous Mac mini and like the reason the Mac mini was created
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Was to be like the most consumer e consumer machine possible right because it was for switches
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I mean, I think just make it space gray. That's all it really takes right like you joke, but that might be
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This will be available in space gray
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Which I would buy it in because mine's under my TV and I like it to be less conspicuous.
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Sick decal or something.
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Make it look like a pencil.
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Yeah, I mean, right, these are unanswered questions.
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So my thought is, you know, high-end MacBook Pro is their target and that is higher than
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the Mac Mini has been historically.
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You brought up the idea of the starter Mac and I think that's really a very important
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Factor in this so when the Mac Mini was introduced in 2005 it was pitched by Steve Jobs as hey
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You want to move to the Mac? You've got a desktop Windows box and you got a display and keyboard and mouse
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Unplug the Dell plug this thing and you can use your display keyboard and mouse and you have a Mac and it was 500 bucks
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It was considered that like the I forget what the is like bring your own display keyboard and mouse
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B.o.i.o. DKM the worst marketing slogan of all time
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He said that as a joke and people just stared at him.
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Like there's a YouTube link in the show notes,
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go watch that, it's like 10 minutes,
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go watch that keynote, it's funny.
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But I don't think the world needs a starter desktop anymore.
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Like then desktops in 2005, desktops were,
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they were already on the way out as far as size of market,
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right, that notebooks were already taking off.
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But now Apple sells, what is it,
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80, 85% of the Mac sold are notebooks, maybe even higher.
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Like, there's not a need for a starter desktop anymore.
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I think if people buy their first Mac,
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it should be that low-cost MacBook Air
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that Germin talked about that we're skipping over this week.
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So in that world, if the Mac Mini's supposed
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to be a starter Mac, the Mac Mini shouldn't exist anymore.
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But what has happened over time is people like us
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have purchased the Mac Mini to use as a home server
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to run things like iTunes or Hazel or Time Machine backups,
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to have one in a data center.
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If you're listening to the live stream, you're listening through a Mac Mini.
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We have a Mac Mini at Mac Stadium that is our live streaming server.
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You buy it because you want something, a small dedicated Mac, to do things for you.
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And I think Apple has noticed that and maybe the pivot here is go from the starter Mac
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to like a small enthusiast's desktop.
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It's not going to sell in massive numbers, but people who want that want more power out
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put these things in offices,
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people put these things in,
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like software developers use them, right,
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to use it as build servers.
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Address that market,
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because that's where the Mac Mini has gone over time.
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And I think that's exciting.
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Like as someone who has two of these,
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I have one at home as an entertainment server,
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and the one that Rila owns at Mac Stadium,
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I would purchase two of these.
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Both of mine are aging.
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My one at home is not doing very well,
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And I'm all for something like this,
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because I think there's room for it in the line.
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And I think people would be excited about it.
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I can see a scenario where it's either a companion computer
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for pro users, like established pro users,
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like developers or video makers.
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And they want something external that does something
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in the background.
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And it's like a home server, or it's like a build server.
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It's an external utility that still runs Mac OS.
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Or, if you're a sort of prosumer, which is a terrible word, but it's totally like this niche market of people that don't need to assemble complex 3D graphics for NASA or something like that,
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but still they want to run something that requires a bit of power, not the power of the Mac Pro, but also something that requires something beefier or dedicated that is not the main MacBook Pro or the MacBook.
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So I can see like the the Mac Mini sort of
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feeling what's it called the price umbrella that
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You know, you cannot buy I don't want to buy a Mac Pro just to encode video
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For example, it would be a waste of money. But also I don't want to buy a new MacBook Pro
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I just want a tiny Mac that does stuff and
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That's exactly what the Mac Mini is for especially if they sort of I don't think they will
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presenting it as a pro computer for pro users.
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I can see Apple saying,
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and it's also great for pro customers,
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or we hear about the, from pro customers,
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but I've seen people on Twitter say
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they're gonna call it the Mac Pro Mini or the Mac Mini Pro.
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I don't think they're gonna change the name.
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It's still gonna be the Mac Mini,
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but it's all gonna be in the message.
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- Yeah, 'cause if you had the Mac Mini Pro,
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then you have to keep selling the old Mac Mini,
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which just feels like torture at this point.
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Like, just let the thing, just let it die, you know?
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Like, it's fine.
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Just let it have it go out to posture like that that machine is done
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It's it's very much done at this point like I'm on the web page for the Mac Mini right now
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It's using one of the old Apple cinema displays
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Like that's just sitting on the page
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That's the whole way down just a cinema display. Can you have at least updated it with the LG image?
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Like it must not be too difficult to run it. It won't run the LG display because it has Thunderbolt 2
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Holy moly, it's just like you just show like a little chain of dongles in the background
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Oh, yeah, and just don't pay attention that it's not full res
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the the thing yeah, the thing here is like I
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really believe that the mini was going to be phased out and
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in this like
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Apple discovering that they still make Mac somehow
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Like so they go so make max we should do something about that
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like I think like if this is a response to people like the three of us who
00:59:34
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either currently own or used to or want to own machines like this for like the things we're talking about
00:59:41
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Like that's really encouraging like I am I'm genuinely I got everything in the fall. Like of course, I want to do iPhone
00:59:47
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Maybe in the market for an iPad but like as a Mac user
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this is exciting to me because it means that Apple is paying attention to like what we want and
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You know update this thing put Thunderbolt 3 in it and it could be a great little home server
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It'd be a great machine for a bunch of different things.
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Just the way the Mac Mini, the Mac Mini still is good.
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It's slow, but it's still good at these things
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because of its size.
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If you look at the broader PC market,
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Snell Zone has talked a lot about this
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with the Intel NUC, which is a little bitty PC.
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You put an SSD in it, it's super fast,
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and it's smaller than the Mac Mini, but way more powerful.
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there are markets for this type of computer.
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It's not a huge market, but the Mac's not a huge market.
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Like the Mac can be,
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like the iPhone has to reach a bunch of people, right?
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That's why we talked about like this cheaper phone.
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The iPad's gotta reach a bunch of people,
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so they have different sizes with different capabilities.
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Like the Mac is a smaller market,
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and you can be really specific in your modeling.
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Like the iMac Pro,
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I can't imagine the sales numbers being massive,
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but for those who need it, it's the perfect answer.
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Same with the Mac Pro,
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if they're going to bring this to the low end with the Mac Mini, then that's great too.
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So, uh, I don't know. Color me excited boys. Like, uh, I'm, I'm signing up.
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I want, I want a future professional level Mac Mini in my life.
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Can I just address the elephant in the room super quick?
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Is there one?
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I think there is one, which is like, why? Like, why are they like,
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it feels like the use cases for this are small.
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And even if the people that would buy it potentially,
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they probably already own another machine.
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Like the amount that you would actually sell of these
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is very small for a company.
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- Probably for the same reason
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that Steven did the Aqua Screenshot Library, honestly.
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It's, well, I feel like they,
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it's an important part of the message
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that Apple is recommending to the Mac
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and to the pro community.
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Also, I don't think they're gonna lose money on this.
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They figure if they're doing this,
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it's because they can make a profit out of these Mac Minis.
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But more importantly than that,
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I think it's important to see Apple saying,
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we're redoing the entire Mac lineup
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and we're updating this lineup on an annual basis.
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Or I mean, even the Mac Mini every couple of years
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would be fine.
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I think it's more than that,
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I think it's important for Apple to say,
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we haven't forgotten about Pro users,
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please don't switch to Windows.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It's this machine,
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the iMac, I felt this way about the iMac Pro,
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but I really feel this way about the Mac Mini.
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If this is true and this comes to pass
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and it's what we all want,
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it's actually not even about the computer.
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It's about, like Federico said,
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it's about the statement to like diehard Mac Pro user
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or Mac professional users that Apple's listening.
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Like if this is a Pro, like whatever that means,
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if it means I can get an i9 in it with 32 gigs of RAM
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and a super fast SSD, say that's all true.
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That means Apple's paying attention
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to what we're doing with Mac Minis.
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That is, as Mac fans well know,
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we've all felt a little neglected
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over the last several years.
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And this would be just like one more chapter
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in the book of Apple saying,
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we are committed to the Mac,
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we are committed to you, our professional users,
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and we know that some of you want this,
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and so we made it for you.
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And I'm sure some of us will complain about the price,
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But it's, for me, it's a much more like a signal
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than like what the actual thing is.
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- Watch them just put two USB-C ports on it.
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- I know, right?
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- Ones for power.
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Can you imagine?
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You can't, and you have to buy the power cable separately
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because that's upper roles.
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That'd be a bummer, Myke.
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I don't want that future.
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I really love Apple, right?
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Like love them obviously,
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but I really can't imagine that they make this thing
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and not upset everyone that they're trying
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to make feel happy.
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I just know something, something will be like an oversight.
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- But I don't think that's happened with the iMac Pro,
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honestly, like there are people who like complaints
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and all in one, but like, I know,
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but I mean, I maybe know everyone with an iMac Pro,
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maybe it's just people on relay,
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but like the iMac Pro seems to be very well received.
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- Honestly, of all the things that Apple makes
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that have Pro in the name,
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I feel like the MacBook Pro
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is the only one that people hate.
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I mean, except for the Mac Pro,
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which they are still in the process of redoing.
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- Right, but that's two out of three though so far.
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- Well, no, there's no, there's iPad Pro.
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iPad Pro, people love.
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- Okay, well, that's a different thing.
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- Well, I said of all the things
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that Apple makes with Pro in the name.
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Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay. So we got half the...
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And they barely make the Mac Pro, like they're just, you know,
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it's like one dude hand-assembling them in Texas alone in his garage.
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We still have to see about the Mac Pro, that's what I'm saying.
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Yeah, so like the jury's still out on that one.
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Yeah, but yeah, the MacBook Pro continues to be, you know,
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the ugly kid of the bunch that everybody makes fun of,
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which is a terrible metaphor, but it gives you the idea.
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Well, and if they do fix the Mac Mini, then like, yeah, the MacBook Pro still has issues,
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but Apple's just slowly knocking things off the punch list, right?
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Things that people are upset about with the Mac.
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And I can't complain about that, even if they haven't gotten to all of them yet.
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And in the words of a wise man, there's nothing so perfect that can't be complained
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So there always will be complaints about things.
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like if the Mac Mini is way faster and updated again has Thunderbolt 3 and even if it's like 1200 bucks like
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There's not that much to complain about that and I really feel like the iMac Pro
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Like is in direct opposition to that sort of feeling because like honestly I don't think there's widespread complaints about this computer
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I guess it's expensive. Yes, you can't upgrade it. But like what people like have them on their desk using them
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Everyone seems really happy. I know I love mine
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It's absolutely the best Mac I've ever owned and I fully anticipate using this computer
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predecessors
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Successors. Yeah successors for a long time
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Oh, well, I say is all we have is what's in front of us, right?
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Like all we have available to us right now is what's available
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And like when you turn that on its head the iMac Pro is the only Mac right now that people are happy about
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like universally
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That's fair so
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You know, I just feel like yes that could mean that like all of the subsequent ones will be better
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But they haven't done that with the MacBook Pro yet. Like the MacBook Pro seems to continue to have
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The majority of things wrong with it that people think are wrong with it
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Right, like the ports are still the same the keyboard still seems to be
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Have some issues to it. All right, and I know that like a lot of the internals got better
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But like they could still be better, right? So that still has problems. The iMac is
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Getting a bit long in the tooth now, right the MacBook Air my gosh can't believe it. The MacBook is still
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Has the issues that it has if you consider them issues, right?
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So like I know there are people that are happy with their MacBooks and MacBooks their MacBook Pros and their iMacs
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but like the people that are
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in the pro market tend to have more complaints about all of those machines and
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and the iMac Pro seems to be the only one that is universally liked by people that are in our
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industry and beyond. So like I just feel like when you I completely understand what you're both
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saying but when you turn it on its head that's a little bit more worrying. It could mean though
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right that the iMac Pro is like the first of the change but nothing else has come out significantly
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revamped since that machine and where it looks like we're about to start seeing that but what's
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what's that gonna look like?
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Is the MacBook Air gonna be closer to the iMac Pro
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or the MacBook Pro and what it does
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to redefine what that product's about?
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- I guess that depends on the keyboard they put in it.
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So this is what I'm saying,
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so what are they gonna do there?
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Is it gonna be more like the MacBook Air keyboard
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or the MacBook Pro keyboard?
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So does that mean that they ruin another machine?
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And then where does the Mac,
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is the Mac Mini gonna have only three USB-C ports
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and that's it?
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- 'Cause that will upset people.
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And then what about the Mac Pro?
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Like what does modular mean?
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Like my point is like, I understand where you're coming from,
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but this could be amazing or it could not be.
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And I personally feel like
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that I don't have a good understanding.
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Like I wouldn't be able to point to what I actually think
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is gonna happen with all of these devices.
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'Cause I think the jury's still out on everything.
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Well, I guess we'll see.
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I mean, I'm choosing to be optimistic
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to borrow a phrase of yours, so.
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- Yeah, so it's always good to be optimistic.
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- Yeah, but you can feel that the year of optimism
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is over for Myke.
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- No, no, because these are things
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that I'm not too fussed about.
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I'm really excited about the things I'm excited about.
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I would love if they update the Mac Mini in any way,
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I'll be happy, I'll probably buy one
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'cause I've been thinking about getting a home server again
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to do some little tasks.
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So like I will be happy,
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but my point is that the things that will upset people,
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I'm not in that market.
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So for me, it's not like my personal optimism,
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which I'm now maybe changing it to the year of,
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but like yes, the year of optimism is over.
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Let's say that this one is the year of personal optimism.
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All the stuff that I'm excited about,
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I'm actually very confident it's only gonna get better.
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The iPads are gonna be incredible.
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I'm gonna get a big iPhone.
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I feel like all that stuff is amazing.
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And then any of the Pro Max that come out
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will be right for me, right?
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So like the iMac Pro would be right for me right now,
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but I just don't feel like I need for an upgrade.
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The Mac Mini, if it has new internals,
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will be better for me than maybe my iMac,
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but I wouldn't change that.
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But then I may go to the Mac Pro route
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because it allows me to buy one machine
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and keep it for the next 10 years.
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So to me personally, I think this stuff's great,
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but my concern is for the people that really seem to care,
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like the people that are entrenched in the Mac
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and what it means to be a pro right now,
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I just feel like I wouldn't necessarily say like,
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this product's gonna be awesome.
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And the reasons are because Apple's committed
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to the Mac again, because there are two products
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that have come out since that announcement
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and we've got a clear 50/50 split on it.
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- Mm-hmm, so you're gonna buy a Mac Mini.
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That's the--
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- It is possible that I will buy a Mac Mini, yes.
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Like if the price is right and the features are there,
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then I might go down that route,
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because I wanna, there's, you know, like you,
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and we can maybe talk about this another time,
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but there's some stuff that I've been thinking about
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that might be good, like network attached storage, VNC,
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to perform some basic tasks that I need a Mac for,
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but doing one on my iPad, sort of, all that kind of stuff.
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But we'll get to that maybe another time.
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So next week, next week, why do we want to buy a Mac Mini?
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- There you go. - Okay.
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- There you go, okay.
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- I'll put it, follow it for next week.
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Alright, so, over the last
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couple of months, we have been talking about Twitter API changes.
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This has been a topic that has come and gone, this news has changed and we found
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out more about it. Last week Twitter did what they've been
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talking about, they killed a selection of APIs that meant that third-party apps
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had to remove some of the following features.
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Apps like Tweetbot and Twitterific,
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they had to remove notifications for retweets,
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quote tweets, likes, and follows.
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There are delays for other notification types,
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if supported at all.
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The removal of any stats or activity views
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because they were powered by the APIs
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that provided those notifications.
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They had to remove Apple Watch apps as well
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for the same reason.
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And the ability to stream tweets has been removed.
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They no longer appear in real time, you have to refresh things and they'll come through
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in maybe a minute or two in delay, let's say.
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So live tweeting something doesn't really work anymore in third party apps because everything
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comes through slower than it used to.
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So how has this been?
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I will start off by saying that a lot of what I expected to be how I felt about this is
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how I feel about it.
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notifications part doesn't bother me because I didn't use them, right? I had no notifications
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on for any Twitter apps at all. But the ramifications of it are that big feature sets have been
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completely wiped out. The activity and stats views in Tweetbot, which are one of my favourite
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features is gone completely. I do wonder though, if maybe in the long run it's best for me
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to not be following tweet engagement. Maybe that might make me a happier man.
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Don't do that. Don't do that.
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Yeah, but you say that we're all doing it until this week, right? Everyone's looking,
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we're all looking, we're all looking, come on, we're all looking. How many fates did
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I get, how many retweets did I get, people do it. Like if you tweet something out Federico
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about an article that you've been working on for a long time.
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Oh yeah, that I will check.
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You know what I mean? So like it doesn't matter how much you were checking. Like I wasn't
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checking the engagement of every tweet, but I would look at the stats page every now and
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then a couple of times a day maybe and just see what was going on in there, right? Like
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it was interesting to see.
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That I understand. Notifications I don't understand. But yeah, stats is fine.
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Timeline refresh delays are annoying, but they're not an issue for me.
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Like it's frustrating, but I don't really care.
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It's like whatever, it's fine, I don't mind.
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The big issue is the fact that the activity stuff has been ripped out of Tweetbot.
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Like the features are just completely gone.
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That were a big feature that made me a fan of the app, right?
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The stats view and the activity view.
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because the activity view was interesting because I could see things
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as they were happening in real time, the stats view was interesting because and it
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was like an amalgamation of a load of different things and especially someone
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didn't use notifications right like it would be good to see that stuff
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happening every now and then I could scroll through stuff if I wanted to see
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it and but one of the bigger things for me is that the removal of these features
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is kind of ruined the iPad UI of Tweetbot so Tweetbot has a sidebar or like the
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to have a sidebar and I used to have the activity stream in the sidebar so as I
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was scrolling through my timeline I could look over and see things that
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people were saying to me or liking or following or whatever. That's the only
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thing I like in the sidebar. I didn't like saved searches in the sidebar, I
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didn't like mentions in the sidebar, like it's just not the type of stuff that I
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want to see. I like to kind of on my iPad and on my iPhone go through those
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things as I would want to so I had less incentive to use it. Now before I talk
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about what I then did next after having felt this way, I wanted to ask you two. So Stephen,
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how have the API changes affected you in any way, if at all?
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My feelings are in line with yours. I didn't use notifications except for direct messages,
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which I never get. The few people that I talk to over DM, I like to know relatively quickly,
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But that's fine, that delay is not a big deal.
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I get one of those notifications a month, like it's very rare.
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Yeah, the other stuff in Tweetbot's a bummer, but it's not going to be the end of the world.
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I don't know if it's a huge deal.
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I may feel differently when there's like a live Apple event or something and tweets are
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That's the big thing, like the delay is most noticeable to me.
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But yeah, but like the thing that you will all do on those days is we'll use the official
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I know that nobody likes it, but that's what you'll do, right?
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Like if you need to see something in real time, well, I guess it would still work in
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I know that they like to mess around with the chronology of things, but you're probably
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likely to see things in more likely real time.
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What about you Federico?
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Yeah, I'm still using Tweet, but honestly the major annoyance of all these changes is
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having to use pull to refresh occasionally to refresh the timeline. I tend to check stats
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on individual tweets more than the main activity page, if only because I'm more interested in the
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performance of individual tweets than the aggregate number of likes and faves and engagements. So for
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that I was already using the Twitter app because it allows me to tap on the likes and retweet
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counts and see you actually fade or retweeted something. And to do that, I was already using,
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so here's a teachy tip for you. If you see using Tweetbot, you can install this app called
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Opener, an opener as an extension that you can set up so that every time you share a
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tweet with the Opener extension, it auto loads the same tweet in the Twitter app. So you
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just need to tap twice and you can jump to the individual tweet view for the
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same tweet into the official app. So I was already doing that. That is a very hot
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teachy tip. Yeah, and you can set up auto-open for like for Twitter.com
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links you can set up auto-open in opener. I think by swiping on one of the
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options because opener allows you to send a tweet from tweetbot to for
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example, Twitterific or Twitter or what's the name of the other Twitter client?
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Tweetings? Maybe? Possibly? I don't know. EchoPhone was around a long time ago.
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How do I find this application? Because App Store search is not helping me.
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It's called Search Opener Max Stories, probably on Google.
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And you can find the link. Yeah, opener. Yeah. It's excellent utility. Anyway, I was already
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doing that because I tend to check individual tweets more than the global stuff. And notifications,
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I don't care because I never, I think since Mac stories started getting moderately popular in 2010,
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I disabled all kinds of Twitter notifications for likes or retweets or mentions. I never, never had
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mentions either from people who followed me or from other people like to see my mentions,
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I opened Twitter.
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And I used to have notifications for DMs, but I disabled them.
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Actually, I didn't disable them, like, intentionally, but I think last year, after one of my experiments
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where I used either Twitter or Twitterific for a while, and then I went back to Tweetbot,
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I forgot to re-enable DM notifications, and I realized a couple of weeks later that I
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had all of these unread messages from people, and I felt kind of crappy about that because
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I didn't reply to those people, but then I realized, you know, it was actually kind of nice not to be bothered
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by Twitter DMs, so I didn't re-enable them and so it's fine. I wasn't getting notifications before and I don't get notifications now.
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I understand why some people like Twitter notifications.
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Yeah, if you care about those it sucks, but it's what it is.
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So I'm still using Tweetbot
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primarily because of the iPad version
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And for a simple reason I said that to check my mentions I go to Twitter
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So I set aside like 10 minutes every day and I go through my mentions and what I do is I keep on the iPad
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The column on the right set to to my most recent mentions and on the left
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I go through my old mentions so that when I reply and I scroll back into previous
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mentions on the left side. On the right side, I can refresh and see if somebody else replies
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to my reply, I can continue the conversation. So I carry out this...
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I'm just going to say, I'm sure you know what that meant. I could not follow that. Don't
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try and explain it to me. It's fine.
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But like I got very lost.
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No, you need to understand. So there's two columns, right?
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On the left side, I scroll down. I go through all my mentions from newest to oldest. Okay?
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- Yep. - So I scroll down. On the right side, I refresh the mentions view also.
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- How do you refresh the view? Do you swipe down? - Yeah, you swipe down on it.
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You pull to refresh and it's pinned to the top so that I see new replies coming in.
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All right? So if I reply to somebody from a tweet from five hours ago, I move to
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the next tweet from six hours ago and then to seven hours ago and so forth,
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But on the right side I can refresh and if that person has already replied
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I can continue the conversation right away without having to scroll back up on the left side
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one of the things that I
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can correct me if I'm wrong
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but like one of the reasons that I never used like the mentions on the right and the everything else on the left is
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That it didn't observe my place when I went into the mentions tab
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Like if I had seen everything new when I go into the mentions tab
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It's still gonna save my position from the last time that I was there which is like way down on the list
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Is that true still?
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I don't think I understand the question.
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So let's say I'm in Tweetbot and I'm looking at my mentions, right?
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And I have a hundred mentions.
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Like it's got the little count that says a hundred.
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If I scrolled through on the column on the right-hand side and looked at everything,
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in my mentions view, it's not gonna change. I still have a hundred, right?
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It those two things operate independently of each other based upon sinking position. Mm-hmm, right? Yeah
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Yeah, you see that's why I never wanted to use that because I don't know I've seen everything
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I have to do what you've done which which I understand what you do it
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But that's not the way that I used with her, right? Okay. Okay
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I use it more by checking in multiple times through the day
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So I want to go oldest to newest as opposed to newest to oldest
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Okay. Okay. Yeah, I see. Yeah
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Yeah, so that's why I never like the only thing that ever made sense to me on the right hand side was the activity view
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Otherwise, I'm just seeing everything twice
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Alright, but I guess I got for me. Yeah, so because of this and because of how much I use
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Twitter on my iPad because it's where I'm doing the majority of my work. I
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Did something I've been wanting to do for a while which is to try out Twitter if ik more seriously
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One of the reasons I never really tried Twitterific more seriously is that the iPad app only had
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a single column and I was like, well I don't like this.
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I want two columns like I have on Tweetbot, but now in Tweetbot I only would have used
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it in single column, so now I'm, you know, it kind of feels like a level playing field
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for my major complaint with Twitterific.
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So I have been using Twitterific for a week now as my only Twitter app on all platforms,
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my iPhone, my iPad and my Mac. I have a lot of thoughts about it. I want to start with
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all of the things I don't like. There's no specific -- this is going to take a few minutes,
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but bear with me. There's no specific tab for searching. You can have tabs in the bar
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at the top or the bottom, depending on the platform you're using. So you have my timeline,
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Dimensions my DMS and you can have saved searches that you pick from a list
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But you can't have a tab which is just to search everything you have to go to the sidebar to do that
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Which is super weird to me. I don't know why if all of the other sidebar options are available
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but I can't seem to find a way to just
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Press a button on the iPad or the iPhone and it takes me to the master search list
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But on the Mac version the search button takes me to the master search where I can search anything and also see my saved searches
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I don't understand this. This is strange
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This is actually my main problem with Twitterific in general is just like some of the decisions seem peculiar
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Especially when you look at them on the Mac and on iOS where they're supposed to be the same now
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But there's still some pretty significant differences between the two
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I do like that you can have a saved search as a tab. That's really good, but I want both
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So that's that's what I would like there
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Information density on the iPad compared to the iPhone is very different
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The iPad version the avatars are too large and you can't make them smaller
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You can make text smaller
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But you can't make the avatar smaller and it means that you don't see as many tweets as you probably should be able to
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So I want to be able to see more on screen than I can
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It doesn't like I can't find a way to adjust avatar sizes on the iPad
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I'm sure this was a saying at one point, but if it's there, I don't know where it is because I can't find it
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So I feel that the information density isn't as good timeline syncing with iCloud isn't as fast or reliable as tweet box
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Sometimes it gets lost
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On the Mac. They have unified timeline only you cannot separate it like you can on iOS. I don't like unified timeline
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I like my timelines to be separate and for some reason they can't be separated
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They have two different types of hiding things on Twitter if ik you have mutes and muffles
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So you can muffle something it means it collapses it you mute it
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It means it goes away and what's pretty cool about the mutes is the mutes sync with the official Twitter
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Muting system somehow which is interesting. I think that's cool like fine that that works good
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But there are no timed mutes or muffles. It's either on or off
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Don't like that. I like to
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Mute things for set periods of time or people for set periods of time rather than making it like a global on and off
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On a side note because trying to move this stuff from place to place is impossible
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I've decided to give everyone and everything a second chance. So yeah, I've muted you you're back in my life
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And you can see my tweets again. It's it's been an experience for all of us, but this also goes for words
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I I muted a lot of words which you can do in in Twitter if what?
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Can I give us some of your words?
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Political words political words. Yeah, lots of political. Yeah, I hate
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Words back again. It was I can't confirm. So here's a question I have for you if I if I
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Mute the word Trump in tweetbot. Oh, you said somebody quote tweets a tweet that says Trump in it. Do you see it?
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I don't think you see it right you don't you don't we bought get yes, we bought yeah, right
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So in Twitterrific, this is another problem I have of it.
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So I'm seeing a lot more Trump tweets
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and there seems to be absolutely nothing I can do about that.
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So that's just a thing that's happening again in my life.
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Okay, we're gonna keep going here.
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I've only got two more things.
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The iPad app closing gesture, which I use all the time,
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the four finger pinch, I use that all the time.
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Even though iOS 12 has kind of broken it a little bit,
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but like that doesn't really matter.
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Where now when I do that, it tends to open multitasking.
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this is just like a weird thing that's happened with the new, but that also is fine because
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most of the time all I ever really want is the dock. Or another app that's there anyway.
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But pinching with the four fingers seems to accidentally trigger Twitterrific's gesture
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for switching accounts, which is two fingers to swipe up or down. Which is annoying and
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has been a little bit risky as I've been faving things with the wrong accounts. But I do like
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the Twitterrific gesture, the simple gesture of being able to switch between accounts,
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but I would like it to maybe be different or not trigger accidentally the thing that
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I'm trying to do. I don't think many people use the gesture that I'm using though. I think
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that that four finger pinch thing feels like a remnant that I have held onto and I don't
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believe a lot of people use that anymore but it is muscle memory for me now. And yeah,
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I guess the iPad landscape view could add a column, but as I said earlier, I know that's
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something that you wanted, Federico, it's something I wanted before, but now that I
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would use Tweetbot as one single column, I kind of don't mind about it so much, it's
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on level footing. So there are all the things that frustrate me or I find peculiar about
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Twitterrific compared to Tweetbot. Let me tell you what I do like. I like that they
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They have true black on the iPhone X. It looks wonderful. I love it. It takes advantage of
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the OLED. All black pixels love it. The overall design of the app to me today
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feels like it has more of an opinion that I'm interested in than Tweetbot. This is good
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and bad in some places because sometimes I don't like how different it is in some of
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the decisions that they make. But I like the use of colors. Some of the stuff it feels
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like it has a little bit more playfulness or joy to it. Maybe I've just gotten too used to Tweetbot,
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but Tweetbot kind of feels a little bit devoid of personality to me now. And I kind of kept using it
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because it had pro features that I loved and now that they've gone, I don't really feel the same
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affinity to Tweetbot anymore. Maybe I've been using it for too long. I don't know what it is,
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but like, from a design perspective, now that a lot of the features that I like have gone away,
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I find myself more drawn to Twitter if it's just overall design. I don't know why and I like
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muffling a lot for certain instances
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I like that I can muffle someone and I don't see their tweets
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But if I if I'm curious I can peek into them
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But that system works really well because a lot of the time I know I'm just not seeing things because it doesn't take up a lot
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Of screen real estate. It's an interesting system. I would like to see times occur to it
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You'd think to yourself. Well, obviously this seems clear what he's gonna do because there were like three things that he likes and like 20 things
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he doesn't like
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But even though there are so many missing features or things that feel broken to me
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I feel weirdly drawn to Twitterific right now and
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That's what I plan to use for the foreseeable future
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Because in this weird way the fact that I switched to Twitterific at the exact time that things started to break
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I'm kind of less annoyed about losing the features because I have something new going on which is
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Twitterific and getting used to that so
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This is kind of where I am. I'm gonna stick with it for now
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I know I am being much more forgiving at the things that I didn't like in the past
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But I've found a new love for the app
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So that's kind of where I am. I feel like this is a very long way to say I think an unexpected
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decision that I've made but I'm just
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Finding myself more drawn to Twitter effect now than tweetbot is is it just novelty though?
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Like if if maybe you had downloaded if there were other apps that were of the same caliber
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Like do you just be drawn to them instead? It could be it's like it doesn't really matter what they are
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Right, like it's providing me with the basic functionality that I need and some additional features that I like
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But in a kind of a new and shiny package
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So but like the thing is like the things that are frustrating these are things that I've been recording over the last week
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Most of those things like I'm over it because I'm still using them like none of those frustrations are making me go back
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Like cuz tweetbot still works in the way that I expected to in a lot of instances
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But I also really like a lot of things about too terrific
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I like the way they use haptics like I like that on the Mac
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I have a button I can press for emoji like there are a lot of I like that
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I love the Twitterific Media Viewer, right?
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Where you can like open a GIF and you can score your finger backwards and forwards
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over it and it goes in reverse and fast forward.
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Like there, it has a lot of things that are interesting.
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Things that I always thought were interesting that drew,
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were drawing me to the app.
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But the things that were keeping me away from it now don't matter as much because
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no apps have them.
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That's fair. That makes sense.
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So it's kind of,
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It's kind of making me feel like it's a grass is greener situation,
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but the playing field was more level than it was before.
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Hmm. Well, someone who's been switching
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between to our clients on a regular basis every few months, you know,
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you guys know I do this every like three to four months.
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I've always told you, I think there's a lot to like in Twitter.
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If so, I'm happy that you're finding things to like.
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But the iPad stuff continues to be a problem for me.
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I've always liked the way that the icon factory, I think they tend to experiment more than
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Tapbots when it comes to building new features into Twitterrific, like even the stuff like,
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I think there's previews for Spotify links or you know, this time or the...
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And they have that poll button, right?
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Where you can tap it and it opens the Twitter app.
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That's another great example or the fact...
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Yeah, that's another great example or the fact that you can delete a tweet and fix a typo and
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resend it, but it's like it's an integrated sort of like edit flow in the app.
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It's something that's useful for me because I tend to always notice my spelling mistakes after I
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tweet. So when you tweet, there's like a little green banner that pops up that if you tap it,
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it just shows your posted tweet and then I can edit it. When they're editing, editing function
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is deletes the tweet, but gives you all of the contents of the tweet anyway so you can
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just post it again, which is an easier way than like, share sheet, copy tweet, delete,
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and then open it up and variably get things wrong because it was meant to be in a thread
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and it's not anymore, but that's how it was in Tweetbot for me, but Twitterific has an
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interesting way of handling that to the best of their ability.
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So that's where I am. I will say, obviously we're talking about Twitter, I don't want
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to try any other social networks. I appreciate everybody who is using Mastodon and Microdot
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blog, like that's cool, but Twitterific is where Twitter is where I want to be for the
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community that I am a part of there. The fact that you can give me follow up and feedback
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there en masse, like all of those things are the reasons that I'm still sticking with Twitter,
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even though maybe the company hasn't run the way that everybody would like and that there
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are many problems with it. A lot of the advantages I get don't exist in other places right now.
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Is that fair to say? Do we all agree with my statement?
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I agree with that. I also used, I think Twitter as a company is, this is going to be an overstatement,
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but I think they're done. There's, I think there was a bridge to cross and not only have
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they crossed the bridge, they're basically now in another country in terms of my perception
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of the company. So the company for me is done, but it's the easiest way for people, for my
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audience to give me feedback that is not email. It's the easiest and fastest and shortest
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way to give him feedback. That's why I'm there to keep up with people who like what I do.
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And if another service that has a better policies in place, but also allows me to, because I'm
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using this for work, it's like, yes, I understand the principles and the technicalities between,
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you know, on Mastodon are better.
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I appreciate the people who invest in that,
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but at the end of the day,
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it's not my job to spend hours testing social networks.
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My job is to write and to talk and to engage,
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what a terrible word,
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but to keep up with feedback from my audience.
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And so if my audience moves to something else,
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I will move with them.
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If they're still here,
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despite the terrible things that the Twitter
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as a company does,
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I will respond to them as long as they're here.
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And when it's time to move, we'll move.
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So yeah, I appreciate people who say,
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why are you not testing Macedon?
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I will use it when it's the time to use it,
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but unfortunately I prefer to spend time at the beach
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in the summer than to understand how to set up an instance.
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And to-- - Oh no.
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- And to-- - Don't, don't,
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don't do it. - No, come at me.
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I don't care.
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I think it's too technical.
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think you know I don't have time for this now I prefer to you know have a
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have a spritz at the beach that's what I do you know and an aperitivo as I call
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it in Italy at the beach better use of my time so just my two cents people will
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be upset I don't care I love you all everything is fine so I'm back I missed
01:38:34
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- We're just doing podcasts, man, it's fun.
01:38:36
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It's really fun, so.
01:38:38
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- See how you feel about your feedback first.
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- Mm-hmm, yeah, whatever.
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- Well, I think that does it.
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I think we've made it through our topics
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and now it's time to end the show.
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So if you want to find links to stuff we talked about,
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they're in your podcast app you're listening to now,
01:38:56
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or you can check them out on the website,
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relay.fm/connected/206.
01:39:02
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While you're there, if you don't want to use Twitter for feedback, we have a handy email
01:39:05
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link right there in the sidebar of the page that comes to me.
01:39:08
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I share it with the guys and it's a good way to get in touch with us.
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Of course you can do it on what's left of Twitter.
01:39:14
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You can find Federico there as Viti, V-I-T-I-C-C-I.
01:39:18
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Federico of course is the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net.
01:39:23
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If you're listening to this and you're not reading MacStories, you're really missing
01:39:27
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I can't imagine there's anybody actually in that category, but if you are, you should
01:39:30
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go change that.
01:39:31
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You can follow Myke on Twitter, he's using Twitterific, so you can tweet at him @imyke
01:39:37
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and you will show up in his unified timeline, which I know he loves.
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Myke is the host of a bunch of shows here on Relay FM, so if you like this show and
01:39:48
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you don't listen to anything else on Relay, go to relay.fm/shows and you'll find something
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else that I think you'll love.
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You can find me on Twitter as ismh and I write 512pixels.net.
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I'd like to thank our sponsors this week,
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TextExpander, Linode, and Molekule.
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Guys, thanks for joining me.
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I'm glad we're all back.
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This was a lot of fun to do, the three of us.
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And so for the first time,
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what feels like a long time, gentlemen, say goodbye.