206: A High Appreciation for Winning 
   
   
 
 
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     - Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 206. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is brought to you this week by our sponsors, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     TextExpander, Linode, and Molekule. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm your host, Steven Hackett, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and for the first time in eight weeks, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am joined by both of my co-hosts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico, how are you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Hi, I'm back, I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hi, I'm great. How are you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's good to have you back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And we also have Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everyone's together. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     All is right in the world again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We are once again a whole and I'm very happy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I was missing the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was weird not to do podcasts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for three weeks straight basically, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it was also kind of weird not to do connected as a trio. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     A very long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I kind of feel like I forgot how to podcast in this past couple of weeks, so I'll probably 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do some silly mistakes like, I don't know, talking about things that Steven doesn't like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I suppose that's what we've done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we should do follow-up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We should jump straight into follow-up, Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Why are you not doing follow-up already? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're going to do follow-up right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     We've been talking a lot about new-- Follow-up. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     people with podcasts have been talking about new iPhones and just today or it seems like there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some signs of a fourth new phone this year so we've talked about the the new iPhone 10, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the new iPhone 10 plus, an iPhone 9 and now I think for discussion purposes what we'll call 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the iPhone 7c as a Steven Steve Trout Smith kind of nicknamed it on Twitter the idea this phone is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it seems internally very much like an iPhone 7. Of course that would mean that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it could be readily available and cheaper than new phones. There were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rumors that the iPhone 9 was going to come in colors. Now I kind of think that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe those rumors were about this phone. So maybe we're gonna have like a new, not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     new iPhone SE because rest in peace 4-inch phones, but a new low-end iPhone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     based on the 7, maybe with some slight tweaks or updates. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What do you guys think about this? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can I ask a question? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That like, you know, this is one of those questions where people like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Oh, Myke, you're so silly." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What Steve says in his tweet is that it has the same screen resolution, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Does that mean the same physical size? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, not necessarily. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because my question on that would be like... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's it depends on the DPI of the screen so it could be and forgive me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven this is where you should come in but if it's a different type of density 
     
     
  
 
 
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     could be the same resolution but a different physical size is that it could 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     yeah I mean my my gut says that it's the iPhone 7 screen size only because the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rumors also say the iPhone 9 is going to be bigger and and maybe they still want 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something just like the do with the SE right they stepped up to the bigger 
     
     
  
 
 
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     phones but they left one older phone behind and they're gonna do that again 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so maybe they're gonna reuse the 4.7 inch or what is what is the iPhone 7 4.5 
     
     
  
 
 
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     4.7 inch somewhere in there 4.7 I think. Well I guess you could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have an outside hope right which is very slim extremely slim that they're gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
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     make a really small phone that has no home button that could be your only hope 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right that like it's 4.7 inches but it has no home button so it's gonna be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     small like the iPhone SE that's your only hope right which is it's of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     incredibly far outside hope but stranger things have happened yeah I mean I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that Occam's razor says that this is gonna be a cheap iPhone 7 I know but I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like to give the people hope you know yeah but but but but false hope is is a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is a different thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, no, no, no. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You never know, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, you should know, you should know it's not gonna happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it is very strange to me that they would, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well, I guess the reasoning for this, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So over the last few weeks, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've been talking to Jason on an upgrade about this stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And one of the things that people keep telling us is like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh, I really don't want the new, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like to get a new phone that's big, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because all of the rumors are saying that there's going to be three new phones that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     follow the iPhone X's design convention and the one in the middle is bigger than the current 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iPhone X, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's got an LCD screen but it's got like a six inch LCD screen or something so it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a bigger phone but it's going to be the cheapest one because it's going to have an LCD screen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and people have been saying to us, "Oh, you know, I don't want to have to buy a new iPhone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's big. I don't want a big phone and I don't want to spend a thousand dollars. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess this phone is for those people, right? Like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can still get a smaller phone, it's still 
     
     
  
 
 
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     newer in some way but isn't gonna be, isn't gonna break the bank. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. Wouldn't it be funny if they call it the iPhone XS, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as in X and small, like t-shirts? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, but it would have to look like the iPhone X though, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, that would be the problem I suppose, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know, do we think are we gonna call it the 7 or the SE again? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think they should call it the 7 because it feels instantly old. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So I will call it the new iPhone SE because the special edition feels like a timeless name. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, I think it would be the iPhone SE 2, which is probably the name that it would get. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because you couldn't even call it the 7 because the 7 is older than the 8, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like that's just like you're dooming this phone at that point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this will probably become iPhone SE 2 or something like that and then maybe they still 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sell both versions of SE for a bit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you know, which would be super weird but again, stranger things have happened. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This feels like the way that they might go down that and then you never know, they could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     update the SE as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's nothing to say they couldn't at least put a new chip in it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that's all. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that's all fair game. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we'll, I guess we'll see, you know, the, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well we talked about it when we talked about the phones, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know, is moving up a mistake. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And Myke, to your point, there are clearly people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who want something smaller. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I married to an iPhone SE user, she's not thrilled 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that it's probably going away. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I gotta imagine that something as cheap as the SE, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or like in that price range, would do well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I think the SE did better than Apple expected. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, they're in the world and having something that sort of takes the best of what bigger 
     
     
  
 
 
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     phones have to offer but at a lower price point, it may be a hit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, we'll see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, we're really at this point, what, like three weeks away from an iPhone event 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I mean, we're getting close and I think we'll learn more about this mysterious fourth phone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before it's all over. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Getting close to an iPhone event means getting close to software releases like iOS 12 and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     macOS Mojave and I'm kind of just wondering how you two are doing with your views. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven have you actually worked out if you're ever gonna... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like you know we do these check-ins and like Federico's like "oh I'm this far 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in" but everyone for you is like "I don't know if I'm doing it yet" so have you made 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I have made a decision. I haven't done any work yet because as we're going to talk about in a minute, I've been very busy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I am going to take the route that I talked about and do a couple of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like in-depth feature articles about new things in Mojave as opposed to doing an overall review 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My guess is the feature like those articles 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm probably gonna have similar amounts of time in them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I really just want to do something different and fresh this year because I've done a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mac OS review on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     512 since mountain lion and this feels like maybe it's time to do something a little bit different. I did that with Yosemite. I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     did a review of the redesign and not the OS itself and like I really I still like really like that article 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm really happy with how it came out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and so I think doing something a little bit different this year will give me some some flexibility to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     To change it up a little bit. So that's my plan 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I haven't started anything yet that is on the plate for next week, but that's that's my plan not a full review 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but like look at a couple of interesting features in Mojave. I think if you do a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     couple of things like your dark mode article then yes that would more than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     suffice because you know like there isn't a lot that changes now you would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be treading a lot of the same water again right you just become just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     retreading a path that you would have tread the years before because they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't change a ton. Like maybe next year or the year after, right, with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     marzipan there could be some serious stuff to talk about in a Mac OS review 
     
     
  
 
 
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     again but it doesn't... outside of dark mode there's not really any huge 
     
     
  
 
 
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     blockbuster features that would really warrant you spending time and going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     through everything. Federico, how are you doing? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm doing great. I'm doing great I think actually for the first time in I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     three four years I was able to take a real vacation without doing the review 
     
     
  
 
 
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     during the vacation like I was actually spending time with my girlfriend and my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dogs without worrying about the review which was nice really nice actually so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the review is made of nine chapters and at this point five of five of them have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been finalized, where I mean they've already been edited four times and I don't plan on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     making any major changes to them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm in the process of finalizing chapter six, which will be the big one about shortcuts, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and chapters seven and eight are relatively easy to do because they talk about miscellaneous 
     
     
  
 
 
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     apps and everything else. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I still need to write the conclusion. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this is a different approach from previous years. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm leaving the conclusion for, I think next week, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll probably start writing the conclusion, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is gonna be about a thousand words tops. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm in a really good place 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in terms of progress and schedule. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've never been this relaxed, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     relaxed by the 20th something, 22 of August. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I think it definitely helps 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that the review is about 30% shorter than last year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Part of that is because I think iOS 12 doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have the same major changes of iOS 11 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when you consider the iPad and just how much I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wrote about the iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it's also because I took a different approach. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As I mentioned in June, before starting to work on the review, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I said, I don't want to take as much a technical approach 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in describing all of the new APIs 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and all of these technical details that people don't necessarily care about. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I try to keep true to that by avoiding the, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     getting too deep into the technical stuff and trying to have a more approachable 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or, you know, trying to have the sort of the tone of the people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if you're a regular person installing iOS 12, what do you see? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How do you react to these changes? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And of course, there's a bit of technical stuff here and there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the shortcuts chapter will be more technical 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm happy with the kind of tone and approach that it's got. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and screenshots and galleries that I need to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm tracking everything in drafts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I'm tracking everything with smart lists 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in my task managers, which it's, I said managers plural 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it's a whole conversation that we'll have later on. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Here we go again. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Look, there's a very good reason for this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And we will talk about- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - There's always a good reason. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's always a good reason. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's why I changed them, because it's a good reason. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And for the first time, also, in years, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have made the decision of not forcing myself 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to wait for GM to take screenshots, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I've realized I've run comparisons 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I saved for iOS 7 and iOS 11 in previous years, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the GM version. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the images look the same. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I basically, I was convincing myself, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh no, I need to wait for GM 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it's going to be slightly different, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but no, it's gonna be the same. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Beta 9, Beta 10, they're always the same basically. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So in the review, you will not notice, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but there will be screenshots taken from Beta 9 or Beta 10. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't care because it's more the principle 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of not taking those screenshots than anything else really. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I need to optimize my time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, this is a long answer to your question. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm doing great and I think we will be great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it gives me time to work on the stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that surrounds the review, like promotion, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like the club, like other projects involving the review. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's gonna be fun, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - We're still sounding very positive and pleased. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, my girlfriend says that I'm different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from last year, which makes me happy because last year I was a train wreck at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the fact that I'm still at the beach and being able to enjoy the beach and play with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the dogs and also work on the review in the evening, I think it's a good sign. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So thank you to everybody who signed up to become a Relay FM member. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Very very appreciative of that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As a reminder, we have a bonus episode that will be coming out on September the 4th, which 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But, Derecka, have you seen that movie before? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     No, years ago, though. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In Italian also. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are you going to be watching it in English this time? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     I wonder how different that's going to be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't even think that they would have translated it, but that's kind of cool, I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if you sign up now, you will get this when the episode comes out, along with all the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     other bonus content and special perks that have been coming out over the last week or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so and over the next few weeks. So there's tons and tons of stuff available to Relay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     FM members. Plans start at just $5 a month to support this show or any other show. There's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a link in the show notes for this episode which you can click and it will open up a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     checkout for you to sign up for this show to give us $5 a month or you can go to relay.fm/membership 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven, while we're in an announcement section, would you like to talk about New March? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, can you say it again though? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that was really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I want like horns and stuff if you're able to do that for me, that would be incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Like some real exciting stuff? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     So we have relaunched our merchandise store, it is in partnership with the Cotton Bureau 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that lets us do some really cool things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We've got four items up right now, we've got a new t-shirt. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     I'm hyping for you, keep going! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It sounds like you're having some sort of a... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's fine, just keep going! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Shirt, a hat, enamel pin, enamel pin, and what may be my favorite, challenge coin. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Challenge coin which I have right here. Mm-hmm, and it's heavy hit it against the microphone. I'm like I'll hit against my desk. Okay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Man you can keep a coin in your hands it bounced off my desk onto the floor, but it's fine because it's uh 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Challenge coin. So if you head over to relay FM slash store, you can check this stuff out the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The pins and the coins are in stock now the shirts and hats will be in stock in mid-september 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you order something with a shirt or hat, we're gonna hold your order until everything comes in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we just have to ship it once and charge you for shipping once 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I would say if you want a coin 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you're really excited about that and you're listening to this I would hurry because the first batch is getting ready to be sold out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, also of these items will be in stock 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like long term, but we're gonna sell out of coins temporarily here pretty soon. Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We may even be sold out by the time you're hearing this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's possible go and and buy them and we'll like if you follow us on Twitter 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We'll let you know when we have more in stock. But yeah, their designs are really fun. And I think that you're gonna love it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, it's it's really exciting stuff and big thanks to cotton Bureau. Their team is awesome to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Simon our designer who came up with all this stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The artwork is all based a lot of it's based on the original iPods like the play/pause 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ring of buttons and so that's like around the outside of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Design of the shirt and the back of the coin and it's just it's really awesome looking stuff. We're really excited about it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Steven, I saw on Twitter a couple of days ago 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you had to resort to compressed air again 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in your life, I believe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Your MacBook Pro keys are getting stuck. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that true? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - How many days was it old? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was the joke in the post. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - 23 day old MacBook Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Space bar got stuck. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I did the compressed air trick. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It helped, but it wasn't completely fixed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so then I made a genius appointment, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but by the time that genius appointment rolled around, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it seemed fine again, so I canceled it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So seems okay, but this feels like some sort of like military exercise. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like once the hull has been breached, it's just a matter of time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So not super optimistic about this keyboard fix, but we'll see how it goes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you feel like they should start including compressed air in the MacBook Pro box? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     It'd be good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Little like little packets of compressed air. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Little packets of air. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can you can you sell air as a like as an object? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     What's your name has tried 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know the what's the crazy like health not health store people make fun of theranos. No 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What is going on 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Think you're thinking of the Avengers movie. So yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So anyways, I like the laptop otherwise and the keyboard seems okay now, but it like definitely put the fear in me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So now I have the fear in me about this keyboard, but for now, I'm okay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keyboard fear 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So as you moved away from keyboards and into screenshots instead 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can you explain what the aqua screenshot library is? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, so let's talk about this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The my idea was this is a this is a huge like mini website on 512 pixels and the idea was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to have a collection of screenshots of every major version of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mac OS Mac OS 10 since the public beta so everything from the public beta forward because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, we get into the reasons, but that's what it is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can go through and you can select your version so I go in here and I can select 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Jaguar and I can see all the screenshots from Jaguar that I created they're all sorted the same way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can like you can like see you know, what finder home looked like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know throughout the years how the hell 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Specific things have changed. I know that that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You have a slightly different 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Sense of like what's important to you than I do like we you know with most human beings we value things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     differently about what we consider to be important in our lives and I know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That like all of Apple stuff. All right. Why did you do this? What is this for? Okay, there's two answers to this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One answer is I just wanted it to exist but okay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But what what put what where the idea came from? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Actually came from this show and so we spoke about oh no a long time ago 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We spoke about software preservation and like that article like this has been in the work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I started this the end of last year. I took my first screenshot in March 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It took a couple of months to like find all the installers like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Trying to find a copy of Panther that will install a CD that actually works took a little bit of time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but that conversation like really set me on a path to really think about like my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like collecting and what I try to do because it's easy to collect and preserve hardware 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But and we talked about this on that episode as hardware dies 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The software that runs on it will disappear right so at some point every computer that can run system 7 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will be dead and system 7 will be gone and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's already happening with early versions of OS X 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's hard to like for the public beta for instance 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You have to jump through a lot of hoops to get to run 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Even if even if these machines ran forever most people just don't have experience with these things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I wanted to let people who didn't see this stuff in its day 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You did kind of get a feel for what it was like and I think you could do that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think there's so many images you can really get a sense like what each OS was like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But in a world where like eventually you won't be able to run this stuff. I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just wanted to have a record that I sort of put together myself of what these things were like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I think that's the big reason. And it's, you know, from a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     business perspective, this project made no sense. I don't track my time, but I can tell you, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a lot of time went into this. But I know we talked about the Relay membership, but I run 
     
     
  
 
 
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     run one of 512 pixels as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And like that income like really made this possible 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because like if that is the bulk of the income 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the site now is that membership. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if that wasn't there, I could not have justified this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I feel like I could because I had that revenue. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think I have over the years, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean the site's gonna be 10 years old next month. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think over the years, I have built 512 into a brand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of like if you wanna know about this stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is where you go and this I think just is like a huge step in that direction. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How do you do something like this? Because I know you have like a bunch of old computers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     around right which I'm sure can run some if not all of these OS versions but then like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like how do you even on some of the older ones get the screenshots off the machines? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I ran, I saw this in the blog post, I ran all of these OS's on actual hardware. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     None of this was like virtual machines. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Would you can do that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Why did you do that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Wouldn't it have been easier to do virtual machines? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It would have been easier on my back and moving towers around. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But if you have the hardware, it is simpler to run it directly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Kind of feels like you're an OS hipster. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Like, it's not authentic if it didn't run on the actual hardware, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is a home-grown Aqua screenshot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, this is an artisanal screenshot library. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is real farm-to-table screenshotting, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     They're handcrafted. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, um, locally grown, they're all on actual hardware. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I started with the, actually the public beta I did last, but, um, the. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The public beta up through like 10, five ran on a couple of different G4 towers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I have, like with a display. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I had to buy a four by three screen because original versions of Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
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     OS didn't run on widescreen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're only ran a four by three. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So had to find a display and, uh, make the, make the images. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Then I moved from that to a Mac mini and then to a couple of different retina MacBook Pros 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like one thing I want to do over and I just couldn't find a machine 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I could not find a retina MacBook Pro that I felt like I could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Justify the expense on to run lion the retina machine. I borrowed from a friend. He's probably listening 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So thank you Ian for let me borrow your computer for like several weeks was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Ran mountain lion that it didn't run lion. And so I'd like to remake lion at some point. But all this is on actual hardware and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     using the grab application which is part of Mac OS X to make make the screenshots. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's the thing that's about to get better right in Mojave. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I OS 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, Mojave like really expands what grab can do, you know, like markup and stuff, which is really great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You'll notice if you look through these the first couple of versions 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the I have full screens for almost everything because in grab now you can screenshot just a window and that was not possible in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     early days and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so a lot of the early images have like full screen or they're manually cropped depending on what they are. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But eventually Grab got good enough where you could just select a single window, which is what I wanted. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you know what? It kills me in like some especially some of the earlier ones where the menu bar is rounded 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but the screenshot goes further and the screenshot square but the menu bar is rounded at the edges. It kills me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Not a good look. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Not a good look. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, so I used to grab all of these machines 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had just on my local network. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I could copy the screenshots off 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just from across the network using file sharing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that was actually pretty straightforward. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - That worked even on the older stuff? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yep, yep, just plug it in and turn file sharing on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you're all set. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So generally I would have it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would have the test bench, the test machine on a desk, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I had my laptop, so I have a long Apple Note 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of every screenshot that I needed in order, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I would just walk through them, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I would copy the files off, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then I named them, named them, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then eventually upload them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So those are all kind of separate steps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - How did you decide what was important to screenshot? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'Cause you haven't got every single screen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the entire operating system. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I don't. - Right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So why, how did you decide on the list? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then how did the list change over versions? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So the terminology I came up with is it is comprehensive. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is not exhaustive. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it is not every screen in the OS, partially because that as impossible as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this task was doing every screen would have been impossible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'd be making screenshots for another three years. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What I wanted was if someone looks through one of these galleries, they have a real 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sense of what this OS was like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I actually started at 10.0. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did the public beta last because the public beta, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:39
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     if you look through it, is so different. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:41
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     I was like, I can't base anything on this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, I'm gonna start with 10.0. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you know, I've been a Mac user for a long time, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I kind of had in my head like, okay, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want like really common Finder features. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want like some folders. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want some of the built-in applications, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but not all of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I'd sort of just picked sort of like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what I felt were the most important ones. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But then as the OS matures, I actually had to stop 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and most of the time I've read like skimmed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:08
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     like Syracuse's reviews for those that he wrote 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:10
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     or watched the keynote again to make a list of, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:13
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     okay, in Panther what's new? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:16
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     Like what's new in Panther so I make sure that I grab that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:19
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     and then for the most part these features 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:21
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     are like a snowball, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:22
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     Like it starts in 10.3 so that same feature 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is in 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, on and on and on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There are a few exceptions to that but, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like once something was on the list, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it didn't come off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:33
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     So like once, you know, something like Spotlight was there, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:38
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     well, Spotlight's in all the subsequent releases. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:41
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     So the list got much longer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Actually, you're gonna look the-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I like when FaceTime comes into it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Mountain Lion is a real scene. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - That's real bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - That's a real thing going on there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I encourage people to go and check out the FaceTime 
     
     
  
 
 
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     off mountain lion to see I think an actual mountain lion. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Let's see, let's look at this. FaceTime. That one, that one's my favorite. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, that screenshot is probably made quite late at night. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah. It looks like, you know when you see those things where someone has stolen a computer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:27
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     But it had that software on it that would take a picture of the person stealing it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:31
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     It's like someone getting ready to ship the computer to China or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:35
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     Yeah, it's the guy who's just stolen your laptop and that's the picture. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:39
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     This image could be used in news reports about stolen computers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:43
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     Here's the perp that was caught on a MacBook. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:47
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     Because all of the other ones you either look happy or you're much differently groomed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:53
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     That one is a... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:54
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     It's a real disaster. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:55
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     But you know, hey, I'm just, you know, you get what you get with me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because that's the funny thing, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:01
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     So this is like a resource now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, that's why you make it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:03
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     It's a resource. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:04
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     It's a resource for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:05
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     It's a resource for other people that like the kind of thing that you like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:09
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     But you know, maybe this will be entered into a museum in some time in the future, like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     many of your other projects at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:16
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     But I would love if that happened and that picture of you is in the Smithsonian or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:21
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     That would be a lot of fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:22
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     Can I ask a few technical questions? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:25
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     I want to know if the images are full res or downsized. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:30
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     If so, which format did you choose? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:34
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     So I uploaded, so I use WordPress, so I uploaded to WordPress full res images. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:39
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     WordPress creates thumbnails, like in the gallery page you see a scaled down thumbnail, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:44
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     but if you go and you download the file and you can download all of them, you will get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:47
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     the full res image as a download. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:50
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     So it's 1.6 gigabytes of images in total. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:54
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     do you have enough money to pay for that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:58
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     How does that work? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:59
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     Isn't that amount of, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:02
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     if 2,000 people download that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:05
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     is that not a problem for you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:07
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     - It may be. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:08
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     - All right, so go, no, don't do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:11
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     - That's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:12
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     - So I use a host, a WordPress host that's like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:15
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     has a CDN built in, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:17
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     and I have a pretty big bandwidth cap on my account. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:22
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     I've never been over before, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:23
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     including with the, you know, like the 5k retina wallpapers I did last year, they still do like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:29
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     thousand downloads a day like that that page is remarkably consistent. It's done. I forget tweeted 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:35
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     it a couple like earlier this month. I forget how many hundreds of thousands of pages that has now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:38
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     I've never had problems with it. So I'm keeping an eye on that. But unless you scrape my server, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:44
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     which please don't scrape my server. Unless someone does that, like it'd be so much work 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:48
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     to download them all then you know I'm not too worried about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:56
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     That's the way to solve it right BitTorrent? Is that still a thing? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:58
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     Mm-hmm. It's probably still a thing. Sure. Any other technical questions Federico? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:02
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     Yeah I want to know how you renamed each file if you used like a like a batch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:09
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     rename solution or something like that? I did so the file name so let me go into 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to this. So if you look at my Mavericks folder, so like the Mavericks chess image 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is like 10-9-mavericks-chess.png and so when I created them as I was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pulling them off them that like the test bench onto my laptop I just named what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the screenshot was so I just named it chess and then I used Automator on the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mac to to do a couple things. One, earlier versions of Mac OS I had just forgotten 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gotten this save your screenshots as TIFF files and you can change that in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     terminal but I forgot on a couple releases because I set up each release 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fresh and so I had one work or one automator action to convert TIFF to ping 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because all these are PNGs and then I had another one that did my renaming so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it added the 10 - 9 - maverick - in front of the file name. Alright so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everything is automator is the one you okay yes all right yeah those are my two 
     
     
  
 
 
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     questions actually and also I wanted to have like a quick thought for you if you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will I think you said that it didn't make sense from a budget perspective to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do this kind of project honestly I think like this is marketing for you so the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's brand. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's not necessarily, yes, that's how you say it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But like sometimes you just gotta do things as an investment 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it's part of your website, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's part of your persona, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or it's part of your brand online. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's something that now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     even though it was a huge time sink, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now everybody's talking about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In our community now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everybody's paying attention to this today 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they associate your name and your website 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with this project. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Anytime you do something like this and people say of course he did exactly did the right thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right, like people are seeing this like what like course he did this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have another question for you though, but do you want to say anything on that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I have one last question for you. No, I think you're right and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and like it never really was a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I never really like sat down thought like oh, I really shouldn't do this like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When this idea came to me at the end of last year 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It really was a how do I do it like and that was the hardest part of like just putting my head around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How do I make 1500 screenshots let alone like show them to people? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, you're right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I never really had a serious conversation with myself or with a spreadsheet about like well, you're gonna spend this much time on this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     part of that and part of that like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When you're self-employed and you do a project like this part of the way that you sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     handle it is this was like a back burner thing, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like weeks that I had five podcasts to produce, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't work on this, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I worked on my quiet weeks of recording 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or I worked on it in the evening. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it was a side project to my main work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't reschedule any podcasts to work on this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So a lot of this is like prioritization of tasks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and of jobs and that's one reason this took so long 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it was like I will slowly chip away at this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can actually look if you look at the iCal or the calendar screenshots, that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     screenshot has an event for the day and time I made the images. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so you will see like make OS X lie in screenshots for like sometime in July or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whenever it was. So that's like a little breadcrumb. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can kind of see how long it took me to do them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Upsack. Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right. So my last question for you is, are you now tied to this forever? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, you're gonna do this for all of them now, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, that's how this goes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Well, you're assuming that my class 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is staying around for a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     - Yeah, my plan is like, the way I view it, right, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did, what is it, 15 releases? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm only gonna have one a year in moving forward. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So one thing, actually the three of us have talked about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is how to handle Mojave. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the right way to handle it is to do two sets, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     light mode and dark mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And my thought is, after Mojave, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably just picking light mode or unless dark mode kind of becomes the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     default but Mojave I think should have both because that's the first time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they've done both so Mojave will be probably like 230 images or so probably 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like maybe like 250 but I do feel like if I want this to be a resource it's got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be updated and I can do a single OS in a day I got towards the end of this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it went much faster because I had sort of everything in place now I'll lose a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little time because I have to do it every year and kind of get reacclimated 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the screenshot list and everything but I don't think like the bulk of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     work is behind me in terms of like startup time so my my intention is to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keep this thing updated as long as I as long as I absolutely can. Something else 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the future though that's interesting I've gotten several 
     
     
  
 
 
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     comments about it actually just while just as we were recording updated the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     blog post. One thing I want to do and is not there now is I want there to be the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ability that if you want to see every screenshot of the display system 
     
     
  
 
 
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     preference throughout the all the releases that there's a single page you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can do that the gallery does not offer that right now like the the actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like WordPress itself doesn't offer me that right now so it's going to be some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     custom development or something that I haven't discovered yet to do that. So A, if you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     listening and you're a WordPress person and you know an easy way to do this, let me know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     please email me because I want it to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That it seems as almost seems as logical to do it that way than the way that you did it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like you had to make a decision. I think you made the right one. Yes. But like sometimes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it, it were in some instances it will be more interesting to see how did this change over 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time and then look at them all. Right. Yeah. And so that's something like I kind of just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Once I was done making the images, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I sort of had to decide what version one of this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was going to be, and this is what I came down to. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can do it by release, and I sort them, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the galleries are sorted manually, that took a long time, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they're in order throughout. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the desktop is always first in all of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     System preferences are always grouped at the end 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on all of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can go through them manually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and get a sense for where things are, but I want that to be easier. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that is a future improvement I want to make. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Um, it's just not there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It wasn't there for release. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Cause at some point you just got to ship the thing and I figured, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     nine months of work, I probably should ship something and then I can come back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and do that in the future. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Well, go, everyone should go check it out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Five, 12 pixels.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Of course, there'll be links in the show notes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a game I would like to play before we go to our next break. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it is a prediction game. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I saw on Twitter today people talking about our good friend AirPower. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is horrifically close to a year since AirPower was released, so I thought to myself, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "When is AirPower going to come out?" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I would like, I think I have three options, okay? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Before the iPhone event, released alongside the iPhone, or released at a later date than the iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, I would like us all to put a marker as to when we believe it will be released. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then we can check on this in a couple of weeks time I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What's the price? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is there a price? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For the competition? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just bragging rights I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like all the other predictions games that we play, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Well you didn't ask but I'll go first. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I don't care. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This isn't a like, if you say it, I can't say it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right? Like, that's not how it works. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You don't take it from everyone. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Before the iPhone sometime 
     
     
  
 
 
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     around next week or the week after 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really don't want to do, it's like an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     AirPlay 2 situation, they don't want to have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     WWDC and AirPlay 2 isn't out yet 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so they release 11.4 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:30
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     Same with AirPower, they don't want to have another iPhone event and the thing that was on stage last year is still not out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So just I can say that technically all the new iPhones already work with AirPower 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it will come out before 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Steven, when do you think? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:47
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     This is not what you're looking for. I think they will they will talk about it at the event and it will be by the end of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The year so I'm gonna say the first week of December 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, that's not one of the answers. So is you're saying release that a later date than the iPhone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You don't have to give that specific. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:01
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     Yeah, after the iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     After the iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I'm also going after the iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Let me give you my reason for this Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I understand what you're saying, but they could just ship AirPlay 2 and then fix more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff to it later if they need to. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They can't do that with the hardware. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If they're struggling to make this hardware, which it seems that's the case, they can't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:23
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     just put it out, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, you can't just be like, "Oh, it's good enough. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ship it and I figured that if it was good, if it was ready, it would have already been 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I don't feel that necessarily applies to Airplay 2 because you're dealing with partners, you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dealing with companies that make speakers with Airplay 2 in them. So it's not like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:43
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     "Well, we can release a crappy protocol now." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:46
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     It's software though. It can't be updated with software, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:48
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     It's not like they're making Airplay 3 the week after. So it needed to be good and it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was late but like I don't think just because it's all for it can be buggy and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:00
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     then they can fix it especially when you're dealing with companies like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:04
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     Sonos and others like Libra tone they're making speakers with a play too I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:08
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     think it's easy like that well I don't know the mark that we have set the marks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:13
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     none of us think that is coming out with the iPhone which could be where we all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:16
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     fall down but Federico says before and me and Steven say a date later but we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:24
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     No prize. No prize. No prize. No prize. It's purely bragging rights, you know, sometimes that's all it is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:30
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     Yeah, I don't I don't get it 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:45:32
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     I never got competitions where you don't win you don't win a prize like when I hear when I hear parents say to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:38
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     You know these parents they say to their kids. It doesn't matter that you don't win 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:43
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     Oh, you need to win. Okay when I have a kid, I'm gonna tell him you need to win 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:46
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     I will come up with some kind of prize. All right, okay for the win and the winner will get a prize 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:52
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     I don't know what it will be. I mean it's fun to play but it's better if you win. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:56
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     Okay. How do you feel about all of the other predictions that we set? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:00
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     So like our full year-on 2018 predictions, there's no prize for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:04
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     And the audio predictions, there were no prize for those either. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:08
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     Are we just gonna say that from now all of these, there'll be prizes for everything? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that what you need? You could retroactively come up with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:17
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     prices for predictions that were already published. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What happened to you on your vacation? Did someone did someone screw you out or something? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that what's happened? Like now you require prizes? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm more relaxed so I have more time to think about the things that matter in life. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And for me winning is one of those things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Did you miss me Myke? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm keen to see how this plays out in the long term. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, well, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, well we're talking about old stuff, let's talk about the Mac Mini. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everyone's favorite computing device. Sounds good. So there was a report out by 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Bloomberg this week talking about a new low-cost laptop to replace the Air but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're gonna just side set that today and talk about the Mac Mini. This is a quote 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "For this year's model Apple is focusing for this year's model just by the way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like as if they do it annually for this decade's model for this for this this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     new update to the regularly updated product Apple is focusing focusing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     primarily on pro users with new storage and processor options that are likely to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     make it more expensive than previous versions people said. So the question is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what is a pro Mac Mini? What does that look like? Do you think there will be a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pro focus Mac Mini or do you think it's gonna say it is? Do you think it will 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually be something that is powered like a professional product or do you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think that's just the line that they will go with? I think that there will be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be aspects of it that will be pro-like, but that people who really want or need something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like a Mac Pro will complain about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think what this means is you're going to have some high-end CPU options, it'll have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fast SSDs, it'll have Thunderbolt 3. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     A ton of storage. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can put a few terabytes or something in there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I assume it would still be a not huge, not tiny, but like a chunky box, you know, which 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they could probably put a lot of stuff into. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's like my my kind of thought on this right to answer your question is, imagine the Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Pro that we have before, but it's because it's all sealed up. Like what you will put 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in this thing is what will stay in this thing. And then the difference between it and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mac Pro would be that the Mac Pro can be upgraded. Right? Like that that will be one of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think one of the key differences between it other than just like raw power. Yeah, well, I think powers the bigger deal 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I envisioned this being more like a high-end MacBook Pro then then 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, even like the iMac Pro like yeah, like I don't sit between 
     
     
  
 
 
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     MacBook Pro and iMac Pro in its capability level maybe or maybe even just the high-end MacBook Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't I don't think anyone's gonna be confused if this is true and the Mac Pro ever ships 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think anyone's gonna walk into an Apple store and wonder which one they should buy like I think that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There is room in the Mac mini 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Especially especially when it's like 10 years old you can just do anything and it seems more pro like right like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anything's better 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That it will be faster and more capable than ever 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But its capabilities and performance will be nothing compared to the Mac Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the Mac Pro is way at the top and the Mac Mini somewhere in the middle again like a high-end MacBook Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that's a reasonable place to be if you look at where the Mac Mini used to be when it was competitive 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Back ten years ago. It was somewhere, you know high MacBook mid MacBook Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
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     spec like it wasn't the fastest machine in the world, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Very rarely was it super far behind? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anything else, you know, they did have a core solo at the beginning and that you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They've changed the price point a couple times, but the Mac Mini was reasonably 
     
     
  
 
 
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     respectable in terms of performance, so I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anticipate that to continue this is I don't think this means the Mac Mini is going to be expandable 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do not think in any way this means that this machine the Mac Pro or the same computer like people always 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Try to do that. They always tried like oh, what does make an expandable Mac Mini and call it the Mac Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
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     These are different computers. Like this is not gonna have a Xeon in it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that's the I think that's the rule that's the line 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will be shocked at the Mac mini has a Z on it. I think that's an iMac Pro and Mac Pro exclusive 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's gonna be yeah, it was sit on it. It's like a professional machine 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which isn't crazy expensive that you can put into your already existing setup, right? Yes, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What will make it more professional than the Mac mini before it like when the Mac mini came out? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Not the one where they made it worse. So let's imagine the one before that. Mm-hmm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like was that machine considered to be powerful and then what would what would you do to make this one? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     To be considered a pro machine where the previous Mac mini and like the reason the Mac mini was created 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Was to be like the most consumer e consumer machine possible right because it was for switches 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I think just make it space gray. That's all it really takes right like you joke, but that might be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This will be available in space gray 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which I would buy it in because mine's under my TV and I like it to be less conspicuous. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Sick decal or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Make it look like a pencil. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I mean, right, these are unanswered questions. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So my thought is, you know, high-end MacBook Pro is their target and that is higher than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Mac Mini has been historically. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You brought up the idea of the starter Mac and I think that's really a very important 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Factor in this so when the Mac Mini was introduced in 2005 it was pitched by Steve Jobs as hey 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You want to move to the Mac? You've got a desktop Windows box and you got a display and keyboard and mouse 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Unplug the Dell plug this thing and you can use your display keyboard and mouse and you have a Mac and it was 500 bucks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:44
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     It was considered that like the I forget what the is like bring your own display keyboard and mouse 
     
     
  
 
 
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     B.o.i.o. DKM the worst marketing slogan of all time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He said that as a joke and people just stared at him. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like there's a YouTube link in the show notes, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go watch that, it's like 10 minutes, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go watch that keynote, it's funny. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I don't think the world needs a starter desktop anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like then desktops in 2005, desktops were, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:09
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     they were already on the way out as far as size of market, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:14
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     right, that notebooks were already taking off. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But now Apple sells, what is it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:18
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     80, 85% of the Mac sold are notebooks, maybe even higher. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:22
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     Like, there's not a need for a starter desktop anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think if people buy their first Mac, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:27
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     it should be that low-cost MacBook Air 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:29
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     that Germin talked about that we're skipping over this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So in that world, if the Mac Mini's supposed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be a starter Mac, the Mac Mini shouldn't exist anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But what has happened over time is people like us 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:41
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     have purchased the Mac Mini to use as a home server 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to run things like iTunes or Hazel or Time Machine backups, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:50
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     to have one in a data center. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you're listening to the live stream, you're listening through a Mac Mini. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:55
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     We have a Mac Mini at Mac Stadium that is our live streaming server. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:59
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     You buy it because you want something, a small dedicated Mac, to do things for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think Apple has noticed that and maybe the pivot here is go from the starter Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to like a small enthusiast's desktop. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not going to sell in massive numbers, but people who want that want more power out 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     put these things in offices, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:22
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     people put these things in, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:24
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     like software developers use them, right, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to use it as build servers. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Address that market, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:30
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     because that's where the Mac Mini has gone over time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:33
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     And I think that's exciting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like as someone who has two of these, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:35
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     I have one at home as an entertainment server, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the one that Rila owns at Mac Stadium, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would purchase two of these. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Both of mine are aging. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:46
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     My one at home is not doing very well, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm all for something like this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:51
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     because I think there's room for it in the line. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think people would be excited about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can see a scenario where it's either a companion computer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for pro users, like established pro users, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like developers or video makers. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And they want something external that does something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the background. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:08
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     And it's like a home server, or it's like a build server. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:11
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     It's an external utility that still runs Mac OS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:15
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     Or, if you're a sort of prosumer, which is a terrible word, but it's totally like this niche market of people that don't need to assemble complex 3D graphics for NASA or something like that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but still they want to run something that requires a bit of power, not the power of the Mac Pro, but also something that requires something beefier or dedicated that is not the main MacBook Pro or the MacBook. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:40
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     So I can see like the the Mac Mini sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:44
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     feeling what's it called the price umbrella that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:48
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     You know, you cannot buy I don't want to buy a Mac Pro just to encode video 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:54
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     For example, it would be a waste of money. But also I don't want to buy a new MacBook Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:59
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     I just want a tiny Mac that does stuff and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:02
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     That's exactly what the Mac Mini is for especially if they sort of I don't think they will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:09
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     presenting it as a pro computer for pro users. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:12
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     I can see Apple saying, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:14
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     and it's also great for pro customers, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:16
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     or we hear about the, from pro customers, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:19
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     but I've seen people on Twitter say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:21
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     they're gonna call it the Mac Pro Mini or the Mac Mini Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:23
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     I don't think they're gonna change the name. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's still gonna be the Mac Mini, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's all gonna be in the message. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, 'cause if you had the Mac Mini Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:30
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     then you have to keep selling the old Mac Mini, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:32
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     which just feels like torture at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, just let the thing, just let it die, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, it's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:38
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     Just let it have it go out to posture like that that machine is done 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:42
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     It's it's very much done at this point like I'm on the web page for the Mac Mini right now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's using one of the old Apple cinema displays 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like that's just sitting on the page 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's the whole way down just a cinema display. Can you have at least updated it with the LG image? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:00
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     Like it must not be too difficult to run it. It won't run the LG display because it has Thunderbolt 2 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Holy moly, it's just like you just show like a little chain of dongles in the background 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:10
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     Oh, yeah, and just don't pay attention that it's not full res 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:13
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     the the thing yeah, the thing here is like I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really believe that the mini was going to be phased out and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:20
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     in this like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:23
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     Apple discovering that they still make Mac somehow 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:26
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     Like so they go so make max we should do something about that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:30
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     like I think like if this is a response to people like the three of us who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:34
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     either currently own or used to or want to own machines like this for like the things we're talking about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:41
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     Like that's really encouraging like I am I'm genuinely I got everything in the fall. Like of course, I want to do iPhone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:47
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     Maybe in the market for an iPad but like as a Mac user 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:52
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     this is exciting to me because it means that Apple is paying attention to like what we want and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know update this thing put Thunderbolt 3 in it and it could be a great little home server 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It'd be a great machine for a bunch of different things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:06
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     Just the way the Mac Mini, the Mac Mini still is good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:10
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     It's slow, but it's still good at these things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because of its size. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:13
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     If you look at the broader PC market, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:18
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     Snell Zone has talked a lot about this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the Intel NUC, which is a little bitty PC. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You put an SSD in it, it's super fast, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:27
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     and it's smaller than the Mac Mini, but way more powerful. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:32
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     there are markets for this type of computer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:34
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     It's not a huge market, but the Mac's not a huge market. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:37
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     Like the Mac can be, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:39
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     like the iPhone has to reach a bunch of people, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:41
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     That's why we talked about like this cheaper phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:43
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     The iPad's gotta reach a bunch of people, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:44
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     so they have different sizes with different capabilities. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:47
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     Like the Mac is a smaller market, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:48
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     and you can be really specific in your modeling. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:52
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     Like the iMac Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:54
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     I can't imagine the sales numbers being massive, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:56
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     but for those who need it, it's the perfect answer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:00
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     Same with the Mac Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:01
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     if they're going to bring this to the low end with the Mac Mini, then that's great too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:05
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     So, uh, I don't know. Color me excited boys. Like, uh, I'm, I'm signing up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:09
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     I want, I want a future professional level Mac Mini in my life. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:01:14
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     Can I just address the elephant in the room super quick? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:17
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     Is there one? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:19
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     I think there is one, which is like, why? Like, why are they like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:24
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     it feels like the use cases for this are small. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:28
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     And even if the people that would buy it potentially, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:32
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     they probably already own another machine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:34
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     Like the amount that you would actually sell of these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:37
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     is very small for a company. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:41
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     - Probably for the same reason 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:43
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     that Steven did the Aqua Screenshot Library, honestly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:45
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     It's, well, I feel like they, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:49
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     it's an important part of the message 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:51
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     that Apple is recommending to the Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:53
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     and to the pro community. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:54
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     Also, I don't think they're gonna lose money on this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:58
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     They figure if they're doing this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:00
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     it's because they can make a profit out of these Mac Minis. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:03
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     But more importantly than that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:04
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     I think it's important to see Apple saying, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:08
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     we're redoing the entire Mac lineup 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:11
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     and we're updating this lineup on an annual basis. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:14
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     Or I mean, even the Mac Mini every couple of years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:17
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     would be fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:18
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     I think it's more than that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:20
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     I think it's important for Apple to say, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:22
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     we haven't forgotten about Pro users, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:25
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     please don't switch to Windows. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:27
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     Yeah, absolutely. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:28
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     It's this machine, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:31
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     the iMac, I felt this way about the iMac Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:33
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     but I really feel this way about the Mac Mini. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:36
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     If this is true and this comes to pass 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:37
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     and it's what we all want, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:40
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     it's actually not even about the computer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:42
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     It's about, like Federico said, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:43
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     it's about the statement to like diehard Mac Pro user 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:47
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     or Mac professional users that Apple's listening. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:51
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     Like if this is a Pro, like whatever that means, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:54
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     if it means I can get an i9 in it with 32 gigs of RAM 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:56
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     and a super fast SSD, say that's all true. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:59
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     That means Apple's paying attention 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:00
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     to what we're doing with Mac Minis. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:02
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     That is, as Mac fans well know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:05
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     we've all felt a little neglected 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:07
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     over the last several years. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:08
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     And this would be just like one more chapter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:11
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     in the book of Apple saying, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:13
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     we are committed to the Mac, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:14
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     we are committed to you, our professional users, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:16
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     and we know that some of you want this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:19
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     and so we made it for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:03:21
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     And I'm sure some of us will complain about the price, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:23
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     But it's, for me, it's a much more like a signal 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:28
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     than like what the actual thing is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:31
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     - Watch them just put two USB-C ports on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:03:35
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     - I know, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:36
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     - Ones for power. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:03:40
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     Can you imagine? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:42
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     You can't, and you have to buy the power cable separately 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:46
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     because that's upper roles. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:48
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     That'd be a bummer, Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:50
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     I don't want that future. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:52
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     I really love Apple, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:55
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     Like love them obviously, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:56
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     but I really can't imagine that they make this thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:59
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     and not upset everyone that they're trying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:01
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     to make feel happy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:03
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     I just know something, something will be like an oversight. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:08
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     - But I don't think that's happened with the iMac Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:12
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     honestly, like there are people who like complaints 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:14
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     and all in one, but like, I know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:16
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     but I mean, I maybe know everyone with an iMac Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:18
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     maybe it's just people on relay, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:19
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     but like the iMac Pro seems to be very well received. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:24
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     - Honestly, of all the things that Apple makes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:26
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     that have Pro in the name, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:28
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     I feel like the MacBook Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:30
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     is the only one that people hate. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:32
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     I mean, except for the Mac Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:34
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     which they are still in the process of redoing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:36
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     - Right, but that's two out of three though so far. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:39
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     - Well, no, there's no, there's iPad Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:42
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     iPad Pro, people love. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:44
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     - Okay, well, that's a different thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:46
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     - Well, I said of all the things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:48
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     that Apple makes with Pro in the name. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:49
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     Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay. So we got half the... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:52
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     And they barely make the Mac Pro, like they're just, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:55
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     it's like one dude hand-assembling them in Texas alone in his garage. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:58
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     We still have to see about the Mac Pro, that's what I'm saying. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:02
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     Yeah, so like the jury's still out on that one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:04
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     Yeah, but yeah, the MacBook Pro continues to be, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:09
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     the ugly kid of the bunch that everybody makes fun of, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:13
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     which is a terrible metaphor, but it gives you the idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:16
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     Well, and if they do fix the Mac Mini, then like, yeah, the MacBook Pro still has issues, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:23
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     ►  
     but Apple's just slowly knocking things off the punch list, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:27
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     Things that people are upset about with the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:30
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     And I can't complain about that, even if they haven't gotten to all of them yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:34
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     And in the words of a wise man, there's nothing so perfect that can't be complained 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:40
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     So there always will be complaints about things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:43
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     like if the Mac Mini is way faster and updated again has Thunderbolt 3 and even if it's like 1200 bucks like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:49
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     There's not that much to complain about that and I really feel like the iMac Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:53
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     Like is in direct opposition to that sort of feeling because like honestly I don't think there's widespread complaints about this computer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:01
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     I guess it's expensive. Yes, you can't upgrade it. But like what people like have them on their desk using them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:06
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     Everyone seems really happy. I know I love mine 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:08
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     It's absolutely the best Mac I've ever owned and I fully anticipate using this computer 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:15
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     predecessors 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:16
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     Successors. Yeah successors for a long time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:19
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     Oh, well, I say is all we have is what's in front of us, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:21
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     Like all we have available to us right now is what's available 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:23
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     And like when you turn that on its head the iMac Pro is the only Mac right now that people are happy about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:29
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     like universally 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:31
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     That's fair so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:36
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     You know, I just feel like yes that could mean that like all of the subsequent ones will be better 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:41
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     But they haven't done that with the MacBook Pro yet. Like the MacBook Pro seems to continue to have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:47
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     The majority of things wrong with it that people think are wrong with it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:52
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     Right, like the ports are still the same the keyboard still seems to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:56
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     Have some issues to it. All right, and I know that like a lot of the internals got better 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:02
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     ►  
     But like they could still be better, right? So that still has problems. The iMac is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:08
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     ►  
     Getting a bit long in the tooth now, right the MacBook Air my gosh can't believe it. The MacBook is still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:14
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     ►  
     Has the issues that it has if you consider them issues, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:18
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     ►  
     So like I know there are people that are happy with their MacBooks and MacBooks their MacBook Pros and their iMacs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:23
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     ►  
     but like the people that are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:26
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     ►  
     in the pro market tend to have more complaints about all of those machines and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:31
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     and the iMac Pro seems to be the only one that is universally liked by people that are in our 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:37
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     industry and beyond. So like I just feel like when you I completely understand what you're both 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:42
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     saying but when you turn it on its head that's a little bit more worrying. It could mean though 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:46
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     ►  
     right that the iMac Pro is like the first of the change but nothing else has come out significantly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:54
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     revamped since that machine and where it looks like we're about to start seeing that but what's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:00
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     ►  
     what's that gonna look like? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:01
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     ►  
     Is the MacBook Air gonna be closer to the iMac Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:05
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     ►  
     or the MacBook Pro and what it does 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:06
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     ►  
     to redefine what that product's about? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:09
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     - I guess that depends on the keyboard they put in it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:08:13
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     So this is what I'm saying, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:14
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     ►  
     so what are they gonna do there? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:15
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     ►  
     Is it gonna be more like the MacBook Air keyboard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:17
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     ►  
     or the MacBook Pro keyboard? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:18
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     So does that mean that they ruin another machine? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then where does the Mac, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is the Mac Mini gonna have only three USB-C ports 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that's it? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - 'Cause that will upset people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then what about the Mac Pro? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like what does modular mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like my point is like, I understand where you're coming from, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but this could be amazing or it could not be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I personally feel like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I don't have a good understanding. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I wouldn't be able to point to what I actually think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is gonna happen with all of these devices. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'Cause I think the jury's still out on everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Well, I guess we'll see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I'm choosing to be optimistic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to borrow a phrase of yours, so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, so it's always good to be optimistic. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, but you can feel that the year of optimism 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is over for Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, no, because these are things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I'm not too fussed about. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm really excited about the things I'm excited about. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I would love if they update the Mac Mini in any way, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll be happy, I'll probably buy one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause I've been thinking about getting a home server again 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to do some little tasks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like I will be happy, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but my point is that the things that will upset people, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not in that market. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So for me, it's not like my personal optimism, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which I'm now maybe changing it to the year of, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but like yes, the year of optimism is over. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Let's say that this one is the year of personal optimism. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All the stuff that I'm excited about, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm actually very confident it's only gonna get better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The iPads are gonna be incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm gonna get a big iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like all that stuff is amazing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then any of the Pro Max that come out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will be right for me, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like the iMac Pro would be right for me right now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I just don't feel like I need for an upgrade. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The Mac Mini, if it has new internals, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will be better for me than maybe my iMac, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I wouldn't change that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But then I may go to the Mac Pro route 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it allows me to buy one machine 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and keep it for the next 10 years. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So to me personally, I think this stuff's great, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but my concern is for the people that really seem to care, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like the people that are entrenched in the Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and what it means to be a pro right now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just feel like I wouldn't necessarily say like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this product's gonna be awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the reasons are because Apple's committed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the Mac again, because there are two products 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that have come out since that announcement 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and we've got a clear 50/50 split on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Mm-hmm, so you're gonna buy a Mac Mini. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's the-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It is possible that I will buy a Mac Mini, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if the price is right and the features are there, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then I might go down that route, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I wanna, there's, you know, like you, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and we can maybe talk about this another time, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:41
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     but there's some stuff that I've been thinking about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that might be good, like network attached storage, VNC, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to perform some basic tasks that I need a Mac for, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but doing one on my iPad, sort of, all that kind of stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:51
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     But we'll get to that maybe another time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So next week, next week, why do we want to buy a Mac Mini? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - There you go. - Okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:59
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     - There you go, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I'll put it, follow it for next week. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Alright, so, over the last 
     
     
  
 
 
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     couple of months, we have been talking about Twitter API changes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This has been a topic that has come and gone, this news has changed and we found 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out more about it. Last week Twitter did what they've been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talking about, they killed a selection of APIs that meant that third-party apps 
     
     
  
 
 
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     had to remove some of the following features. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apps like Tweetbot and Twitterific, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they had to remove notifications for retweets, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     quote tweets, likes, and follows. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There are delays for other notification types, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if supported at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The removal of any stats or activity views 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because they were powered by the APIs 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that provided those notifications. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They had to remove Apple Watch apps as well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the same reason. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the ability to stream tweets has been removed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They no longer appear in real time, you have to refresh things and they'll come through 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in maybe a minute or two in delay, let's say. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So live tweeting something doesn't really work anymore in third party apps because everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     comes through slower than it used to. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So how has this been? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will start off by saying that a lot of what I expected to be how I felt about this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how I feel about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     notifications part doesn't bother me because I didn't use them, right? I had no notifications 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on for any Twitter apps at all. But the ramifications of it are that big feature sets have been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     completely wiped out. The activity and stats views in Tweetbot, which are one of my favourite 
     
     
  
 
 
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     features is gone completely. I do wonder though, if maybe in the long run it's best for me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to not be following tweet engagement. Maybe that might make me a happier man. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Don't do that. Don't do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, but you say that we're all doing it until this week, right? Everyone's looking, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're all looking, we're all looking, come on, we're all looking. How many fates did 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I get, how many retweets did I get, people do it. Like if you tweet something out Federico 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about an article that you've been working on for a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh yeah, that I will check. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know what I mean? So like it doesn't matter how much you were checking. Like I wasn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     checking the engagement of every tweet, but I would look at the stats page every now and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then a couple of times a day maybe and just see what was going on in there, right? Like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it was interesting to see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That I understand. Notifications I don't understand. But yeah, stats is fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Timeline refresh delays are annoying, but they're not an issue for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's frustrating, but I don't really care. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like whatever, it's fine, I don't mind. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The big issue is the fact that the activity stuff has been ripped out of Tweetbot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like the features are just completely gone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That were a big feature that made me a fan of the app, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The stats view and the activity view. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because the activity view was interesting because I could see things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as they were happening in real time, the stats view was interesting because and it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was like an amalgamation of a load of different things and especially someone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     didn't use notifications right like it would be good to see that stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happening every now and then I could scroll through stuff if I wanted to see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it and but one of the bigger things for me is that the removal of these features 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is kind of ruined the iPad UI of Tweetbot so Tweetbot has a sidebar or like the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to have a sidebar and I used to have the activity stream in the sidebar so as I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was scrolling through my timeline I could look over and see things that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people were saying to me or liking or following or whatever. That's the only 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing I like in the sidebar. I didn't like saved searches in the sidebar, I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     didn't like mentions in the sidebar, like it's just not the type of stuff that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want to see. I like to kind of on my iPad and on my iPhone go through those 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things as I would want to so I had less incentive to use it. Now before I talk 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about what I then did next after having felt this way, I wanted to ask you two. So Stephen, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how have the API changes affected you in any way, if at all? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:40
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     My feelings are in line with yours. I didn't use notifications except for direct messages, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:46
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     which I never get. The few people that I talk to over DM, I like to know relatively quickly, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:54
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     But that's fine, that delay is not a big deal. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:56
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     I get one of those notifications a month, like it's very rare. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, the other stuff in Tweetbot's a bummer, but it's not going to be the end of the world. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know if it's a huge deal. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:09
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     I may feel differently when there's like a live Apple event or something and tweets are 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:17:15
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     That's the big thing, like the delay is most noticeable to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:18
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     But yeah, but like the thing that you will all do on those days is we'll use the official 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I know that nobody likes it, but that's what you'll do, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:27
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     Like if you need to see something in real time, well, I guess it would still work in 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:17:34
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     I know that they like to mess around with the chronology of things, but you're probably 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:37
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     likely to see things in more likely real time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:41
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     What about you Federico? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:42
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     Yeah, I'm still using Tweet, but honestly the major annoyance of all these changes is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:50
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     having to use pull to refresh occasionally to refresh the timeline. I tend to check stats 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:57
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     on individual tweets more than the main activity page, if only because I'm more interested in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:05
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     performance of individual tweets than the aggregate number of likes and faves and engagements. So for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:12
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     that I was already using the Twitter app because it allows me to tap on the likes and retweet 
     
     
  
 
 
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     counts and see you actually fade or retweeted something. And to do that, I was already using, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so here's a teachy tip for you. If you see using Tweetbot, you can install this app called 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Opener, an opener as an extension that you can set up so that every time you share a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tweet with the Opener extension, it auto loads the same tweet in the Twitter app. So you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just need to tap twice and you can jump to the individual tweet view for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     same tweet into the official app. So I was already doing that. That is a very hot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     teachy tip. Yeah, and you can set up auto-open for like for Twitter.com 
     
     
  
 
 
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     links you can set up auto-open in opener. I think by swiping on one of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     options because opener allows you to send a tweet from tweetbot to for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     example, Twitterific or Twitter or what's the name of the other Twitter client? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Tweetings? Maybe? Possibly? I don't know. EchoPhone was around a long time ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How do I find this application? Because App Store search is not helping me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's called Search Opener Max Stories, probably on Google. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And you can find the link. Yeah, opener. Yeah. It's excellent utility. Anyway, I was already 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doing that because I tend to check individual tweets more than the global stuff. And notifications, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't care because I never, I think since Mac stories started getting moderately popular in 2010, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I disabled all kinds of Twitter notifications for likes or retweets or mentions. I never, never had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mentions either from people who followed me or from other people like to see my mentions, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I opened Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I used to have notifications for DMs, but I disabled them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Actually, I didn't disable them, like, intentionally, but I think last year, after one of my experiments 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where I used either Twitter or Twitterific for a while, and then I went back to Tweetbot, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I forgot to re-enable DM notifications, and I realized a couple of weeks later that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     had all of these unread messages from people, and I felt kind of crappy about that because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't reply to those people, but then I realized, you know, it was actually kind of nice not to be bothered 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by Twitter DMs, so I didn't re-enable them and so it's fine. I wasn't getting notifications before and I don't get notifications now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I understand why some people like Twitter notifications. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, if you care about those it sucks, but it's what it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm still using Tweetbot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     primarily because of the iPad version 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And for a simple reason I said that to check my mentions I go to Twitter 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I set aside like 10 minutes every day and I go through my mentions and what I do is I keep on the iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     The column on the right set to to my most recent mentions and on the left 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I go through my old mentions so that when I reply and I scroll back into previous 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mentions on the left side. On the right side, I can refresh and see if somebody else replies 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to my reply, I can continue the conversation. So I carry out this... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm just going to say, I'm sure you know what that meant. I could not follow that. Don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     try and explain it to me. It's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But like I got very lost. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, you need to understand. So there's two columns, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     On the left side, I scroll down. I go through all my mentions from newest to oldest. Okay? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yep. - So I scroll down. On the right side, I refresh the mentions view also. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - How do you refresh the view? Do you swipe down? - Yeah, you swipe down on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You pull to refresh and it's pinned to the top so that I see new replies coming in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right? So if I reply to somebody from a tweet from five hours ago, I move to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the next tweet from six hours ago and then to seven hours ago and so forth, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But on the right side I can refresh and if that person has already replied 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can continue the conversation right away without having to scroll back up on the left side 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one of the things that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can correct me if I'm wrong 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but like one of the reasons that I never used like the mentions on the right and the everything else on the left is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That it didn't observe my place when I went into the mentions tab 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if I had seen everything new when I go into the mentions tab 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's still gonna save my position from the last time that I was there which is like way down on the list 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that true still? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think I understand the question. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So let's say I'm in Tweetbot and I'm looking at my mentions, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And I have a hundred mentions. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's got the little count that says a hundred. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If I scrolled through on the column on the right-hand side and looked at everything, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in my mentions view, it's not gonna change. I still have a hundred, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It those two things operate independently of each other based upon sinking position. Mm-hmm, right? Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, you see that's why I never wanted to use that because I don't know I've seen everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have to do what you've done which which I understand what you do it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But that's not the way that I used with her, right? Okay. Okay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:48
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     I use it more by checking in multiple times through the day 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I want to go oldest to newest as opposed to newest to oldest 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay. Okay. Yeah, I see. Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, so that's why I never like the only thing that ever made sense to me on the right hand side was the activity view 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Otherwise, I'm just seeing everything twice 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Alright, but I guess I got for me. Yeah, so because of this and because of how much I use 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Twitter on my iPad because it's where I'm doing the majority of my work. I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Did something I've been wanting to do for a while which is to try out Twitter if ik more seriously 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One of the reasons I never really tried Twitterific more seriously is that the iPad app only had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a single column and I was like, well I don't like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:31
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     I want two columns like I have on Tweetbot, but now in Tweetbot I only would have used 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it in single column, so now I'm, you know, it kind of feels like a level playing field 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for my major complaint with Twitterific. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I have been using Twitterific for a week now as my only Twitter app on all platforms, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my iPhone, my iPad and my Mac. I have a lot of thoughts about it. I want to start with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all of the things I don't like. There's no specific -- this is going to take a few minutes, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but bear with me. There's no specific tab for searching. You can have tabs in the bar 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at the top or the bottom, depending on the platform you're using. So you have my timeline, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Dimensions my DMS and you can have saved searches that you pick from a list 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But you can't have a tab which is just to search everything you have to go to the sidebar to do that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which is super weird to me. I don't know why if all of the other sidebar options are available 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I can't seem to find a way to just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Press a button on the iPad or the iPhone and it takes me to the master search list 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But on the Mac version the search button takes me to the master search where I can search anything and also see my saved searches 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't understand this. This is strange 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is actually my main problem with Twitterific in general is just like some of the decisions seem peculiar 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Especially when you look at them on the Mac and on iOS where they're supposed to be the same now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But there's still some pretty significant differences between the two 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do like that you can have a saved search as a tab. That's really good, but I want both 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's that's what I would like there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Information density on the iPad compared to the iPhone is very different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The iPad version the avatars are too large and you can't make them smaller 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can make text smaller 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But you can't make the avatar smaller and it means that you don't see as many tweets as you probably should be able to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I want to be able to see more on screen than I can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It doesn't like I can't find a way to adjust avatar sizes on the iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm sure this was a saying at one point, but if it's there, I don't know where it is because I can't find it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I feel that the information density isn't as good timeline syncing with iCloud isn't as fast or reliable as tweet box 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sometimes it gets lost 
     
     
  
 
 
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     On the Mac. They have unified timeline only you cannot separate it like you can on iOS. I don't like unified timeline 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like my timelines to be separate and for some reason they can't be separated 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:03
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     They have two different types of hiding things on Twitter if ik you have mutes and muffles 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can muffle something it means it collapses it you mute it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:12
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     It means it goes away and what's pretty cool about the mutes is the mutes sync with the official Twitter 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Muting system somehow which is interesting. I think that's cool like fine that that works good 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But there are no timed mutes or muffles. It's either on or off 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Don't like that. I like to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:32
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     Mute things for set periods of time or people for set periods of time rather than making it like a global on and off 
     
     
  
 
 
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     On a side note because trying to move this stuff from place to place is impossible 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:42
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     I've decided to give everyone and everything a second chance. So yeah, I've muted you you're back in my life 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:49
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     And you can see my tweets again. It's it's been an experience for all of us, but this also goes for words 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I I muted a lot of words which you can do in in Twitter if what? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:01
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     Can I give us some of your words? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:03
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     Political words political words. Yeah, lots of political. Yeah, I hate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Words back again. It was I can't confirm. So here's a question I have for you if I if I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:16
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     Mute the word Trump in tweetbot. Oh, you said somebody quote tweets a tweet that says Trump in it. Do you see it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think you see it right you don't you don't we bought get yes, we bought yeah, right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So in Twitterrific, this is another problem I have of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:28:31
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     So I'm seeing a lot more Trump tweets 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and there seems to be absolutely nothing I can do about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's just a thing that's happening again in my life. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, we're gonna keep going here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've only got two more things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The iPad app closing gesture, which I use all the time, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the four finger pinch, I use that all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Even though iOS 12 has kind of broken it a little bit, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but like that doesn't really matter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Where now when I do that, it tends to open multitasking. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is just like a weird thing that's happened with the new, but that also is fine because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     most of the time all I ever really want is the dock. Or another app that's there anyway. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But pinching with the four fingers seems to accidentally trigger Twitterrific's gesture 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for switching accounts, which is two fingers to swipe up or down. Which is annoying and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     has been a little bit risky as I've been faving things with the wrong accounts. But I do like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Twitterrific gesture, the simple gesture of being able to switch between accounts, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:30
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     but I would like it to maybe be different or not trigger accidentally the thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:35
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     I'm trying to do. I don't think many people use the gesture that I'm using though. I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that that four finger pinch thing feels like a remnant that I have held onto and I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     believe a lot of people use that anymore but it is muscle memory for me now. And yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess the iPad landscape view could add a column, but as I said earlier, I know that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something that you wanted, Federico, it's something I wanted before, but now that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would use Tweetbot as one single column, I kind of don't mind about it so much, it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:09
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     on level footing. So there are all the things that frustrate me or I find peculiar about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:14
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     Twitterrific compared to Tweetbot. Let me tell you what I do like. I like that they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:19
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     They have true black on the iPhone X. It looks wonderful. I love it. It takes advantage of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:25
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     the OLED. All black pixels love it. The overall design of the app to me today 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:32
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     feels like it has more of an opinion that I'm interested in than Tweetbot. This is good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:40
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     and bad in some places because sometimes I don't like how different it is in some of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:44
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     the decisions that they make. But I like the use of colors. Some of the stuff it feels 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:49
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     like it has a little bit more playfulness or joy to it. Maybe I've just gotten too used to Tweetbot, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:55
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     but Tweetbot kind of feels a little bit devoid of personality to me now. And I kind of kept using it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:02
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     because it had pro features that I loved and now that they've gone, I don't really feel the same 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:07
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     affinity to Tweetbot anymore. Maybe I've been using it for too long. I don't know what it is, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:12
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     but like, from a design perspective, now that a lot of the features that I like have gone away, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:18
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     I find myself more drawn to Twitter if it's just overall design. I don't know why and I like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:24
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     muffling a lot for certain instances 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:26
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     I like that I can muffle someone and I don't see their tweets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:30
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     But if I if I'm curious I can peek into them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:33
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     But that system works really well because a lot of the time I know I'm just not seeing things because it doesn't take up a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:39
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     Of screen real estate. It's an interesting system. I would like to see times occur to it 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:31:46
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     You'd think to yourself. Well, obviously this seems clear what he's gonna do because there were like three things that he likes and like 20 things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:52
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     he doesn't like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:53
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     But even though there are so many missing features or things that feel broken to me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel weirdly drawn to Twitterific right now and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what I plan to use for the foreseeable future 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because in this weird way the fact that I switched to Twitterific at the exact time that things started to break 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm kind of less annoyed about losing the features because I have something new going on which is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Twitterific and getting used to that so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is kind of where I am. I'm gonna stick with it for now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know I am being much more forgiving at the things that I didn't like in the past 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I've found a new love for the app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's kind of where I am. I feel like this is a very long way to say I think an unexpected 
     
     
  
 
 
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     decision that I've made but I'm just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Finding myself more drawn to Twitter effect now than tweetbot is is it just novelty though? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if if maybe you had downloaded if there were other apps that were of the same caliber 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like do you just be drawn to them instead? It could be it's like it doesn't really matter what they are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right, like it's providing me with the basic functionality that I need and some additional features that I like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But in a kind of a new and shiny package 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So but like the thing is like the things that are frustrating these are things that I've been recording over the last week 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Most of those things like I'm over it because I'm still using them like none of those frustrations are making me go back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like cuz tweetbot still works in the way that I expected to in a lot of instances 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I also really like a lot of things about too terrific 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like the way they use haptics like I like that on the Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a button I can press for emoji like there are a lot of I like that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I love the Twitterific Media Viewer, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Where you can like open a GIF and you can score your finger backwards and forwards 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over it and it goes in reverse and fast forward. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like there, it has a lot of things that are interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Things that I always thought were interesting that drew, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were drawing me to the app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the things that were keeping me away from it now don't matter as much because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no apps have them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's fair. That makes sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's kind of, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's kind of making me feel like it's a grass is greener situation, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but the playing field was more level than it was before. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hmm. Well, someone who's been switching 
     
     
  
 
 
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     between to our clients on a regular basis every few months, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you guys know I do this every like three to four months. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've always told you, I think there's a lot to like in Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If so, I'm happy that you're finding things to like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the iPad stuff continues to be a problem for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've always liked the way that the icon factory, I think they tend to experiment more than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Tapbots when it comes to building new features into Twitterrific, like even the stuff like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think there's previews for Spotify links or you know, this time or the... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And they have that poll button, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Where you can tap it and it opens the Twitter app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's another great example or the fact... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, that's another great example or the fact that you can delete a tweet and fix a typo and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     resend it, but it's like it's an integrated sort of like edit flow in the app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's something that's useful for me because I tend to always notice my spelling mistakes after I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tweet. So when you tweet, there's like a little green banner that pops up that if you tap it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it just shows your posted tweet and then I can edit it. When they're editing, editing function 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is deletes the tweet, but gives you all of the contents of the tweet anyway so you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just post it again, which is an easier way than like, share sheet, copy tweet, delete, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then open it up and variably get things wrong because it was meant to be in a thread 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it's not anymore, but that's how it was in Tweetbot for me, but Twitterific has an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interesting way of handling that to the best of their ability. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's where I am. I will say, obviously we're talking about Twitter, I don't want 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to try any other social networks. I appreciate everybody who is using Mastodon and Microdot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     blog, like that's cool, but Twitterific is where Twitter is where I want to be for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     community that I am a part of there. The fact that you can give me follow up and feedback 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there en masse, like all of those things are the reasons that I'm still sticking with Twitter, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     even though maybe the company hasn't run the way that everybody would like and that there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are many problems with it. A lot of the advantages I get don't exist in other places right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that fair to say? Do we all agree with my statement? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I agree with that. I also used, I think Twitter as a company is, this is going to be an overstatement, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I think they're done. There's, I think there was a bridge to cross and not only have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they crossed the bridge, they're basically now in another country in terms of my perception 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the company. So the company for me is done, but it's the easiest way for people, for my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     audience to give me feedback that is not email. It's the easiest and fastest and shortest 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way to give him feedback. That's why I'm there to keep up with people who like what I do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if another service that has a better policies in place, but also allows me to, because I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     using this for work, it's like, yes, I understand the principles and the technicalities between, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know, on Mastodon are better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I appreciate the people who invest in that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but at the end of the day, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's not my job to spend hours testing social networks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My job is to write and to talk and to engage, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what a terrible word, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but to keep up with feedback from my audience. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so if my audience moves to something else, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will move with them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If they're still here, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     despite the terrible things that the Twitter 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as a company does, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will respond to them as long as they're here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And when it's time to move, we'll move. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, I appreciate people who say, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     why are you not testing Macedon? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will use it when it's the time to use it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but unfortunately I prefer to spend time at the beach 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the summer than to understand how to set up an instance. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And to-- - Oh no. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And to-- - Don't, don't, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't do it. - No, come at me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't care. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's too technical. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think you know I don't have time for this now I prefer to you know have a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have a spritz at the beach that's what I do you know and an aperitivo as I call 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it in Italy at the beach better use of my time so just my two cents people will 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be upset I don't care I love you all everything is fine so I'm back I missed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:34
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     - We're just doing podcasts, man, it's fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's really fun, so. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:38
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     - See how you feel about your feedback first. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Mm-hmm, yeah, whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Well, I think that does it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:46
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     I think we've made it through our topics 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and now it's time to end the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if you want to find links to stuff we talked about, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:54
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     they're in your podcast app you're listening to now, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:56
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     or you can check them out on the website, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     relay.fm/connected/206. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     While you're there, if you don't want to use Twitter for feedback, we have a handy email 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:05
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     link right there in the sidebar of the page that comes to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:08
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     I share it with the guys and it's a good way to get in touch with us. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Of course you can do it on what's left of Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can find Federico there as Viti, V-I-T-I-C-C-I. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:18
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     Federico of course is the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:23
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     If you're listening to this and you're not reading MacStories, you're really missing 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I can't imagine there's anybody actually in that category, but if you are, you should 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:30
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     go change that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:31
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     You can follow Myke on Twitter, he's using Twitterific, so you can tweet at him @imyke 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:37
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     and you will show up in his unified timeline, which I know he loves. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:43
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     Myke is the host of a bunch of shows here on Relay FM, so if you like this show and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:48
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     you don't listen to anything else on Relay, go to relay.fm/shows and you'll find something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:52
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     else that I think you'll love. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:54
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     You can find me on Twitter as ismh and I write 512pixels.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:58
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     I'd like to thank our sponsors this week, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     TextExpander, Linode, and Molekule. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:04
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     Guys, thanks for joining me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:05
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     I'm glad we're all back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:06
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     This was a lot of fun to do, the three of us. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:08
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     And so for the first time, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what feels like a long time, gentlemen, say goodbye.