213: Movement of the Dogs
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- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 213.
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It's made possible this week by Squarespace,
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Linode, and PayPal.
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I am your host, Steven Hackett,
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and I am joined, as I am, every single week.
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That's not actually true.
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Most weeks, it's the three of us.
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- It's not true at all.
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- I've got Myke Hurley.
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- Ciao, Steven.
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And I have Federico Vatici.
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- Hey guys, hey Steven, how are you?
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- Ciao Federico. - Ciao.
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- Ciao Myke.
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Why the sudden influx of Italian in your--
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- 'Cause I just, I was in Rome, baby.
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I was in Rome all weekend with Federico Vatici.
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- Basically one day-- - The greatest guide.
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- Basically one day Myke just text me,
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and I'm like, "Hey, I'm in Rome."
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And he just showed up.
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And I was like, "I'm at the airport,
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"I don't know what to do, I don't know where to go."
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- Come collect me.
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Please come save me.
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Come get me.
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I was in Rome.
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We spent a long weekend in Rome.
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I saw the bakery.
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Unfortunately, I didn't go in the bakery.
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Every time we were at the bakery, the bakery was closed.
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Yeah, but I saw it.
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I saw that it exists.
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I saw the sign. I know where it is.
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I can picture it.
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It's a yellow building.
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That's that's as much, you know,
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OPSEC and all that stuff.
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I won't give it away.
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So people steal your bakery.
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I have, I've had Federico prepare me espresso. I've had, I've seen Federico make espresso.
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I ate some of the greatest food I've ever eaten in my entire life in Rome.
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My God, that, oh my God, there was a tiramisu.
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You're still thinking about the tiramisu.
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I'm still thinking about that tiramisu, it was so good. And yeah, we had a really great time.
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Federico showed me the sights. I put some pictures on my Instagram. We went to the Coliseum.
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It was very nice. Very, very nice.
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I have a question about the bakery situation.
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- You said every time you went it was closed.
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Is it possible that the bakery is somehow monitoring
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where Federico is and when he gets within a certain radius,
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they put the clothes--
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- They just pull the shot down.
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- Yeah, they pull the clothes sign out
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and they hide behind the counter,
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like holding their breath that he walks by
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without coming in.
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- They made a shortcut.
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They have some like home automation like stuff, you know,
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and then whenever he comes near, they just,
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They put a beacon in his shoe, an eye beacon, and whenever he comes near it just closes up.
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Didn't you see though, one day, a few nights ago when I took you guys back to the hotel,
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we saw that the light was on inside because the guy was making bread and pizza for the
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morning after.
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So, they're definitely inside.
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I don't know why they're closing when I'm around.
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Honestly, I think it was just late.
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One day was a Sunday and they didn't work on Sundays and then it was just late in the
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evening and they like to close early because they wake up early so it kind of makes sense.
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But yeah it was fun.
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I mean as someone who lives in Rome, I was actually telling Myke about this, we don't
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usually go to the center of Rome because it's a whole thing to plan, you need to park your
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car and walk a few kilometers.
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I have in my lifetime, I've been to many of the biggest cities in the world.
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I live in London, I visited New York, I visited San Francisco, Paris, Memphis, all the big
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hubs. The center of Rome is the busiest place I've ever seen in my entire life. The concentration
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of people to space is untenable. It's bonkers there, it's really wild. I don't think that
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there's necessarily more people, there's just way less space for the people that are there.
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I was very taken aback by that.
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Yeah, the narrow streets and, you know, people parking everywhere.
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And those are just people with permits to drive cars in the center of Rome.
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Imagine if they would let anybody drive a car there.
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It would be just an incredible mess.
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But yeah, we don't often go to the Colosseum.
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I think it's actually, since I moved here in Rome four, five years ago, this is the
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first time I've actually gone to the Colosseum.
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You haven't been there since the big blogger fight that happened in the Coliseum a few years ago, right?
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Yes, that was you'd never go back. Yeah, there was the the
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Blog blogger fights others the emperor of tech meme that stand standing and you know doing the thing with the thumbs up in the thumbs
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Down they go tip up or sit down. They got the we got a tip up and you're raised
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And then you get pushed up you get pushed down totally if you get pushed down
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basically nobody cares about your blog posts. You walk away in a parade of shame. You walk
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away like that. I mean, I've seen the Coliseum but just driving around it because you can
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drive around the Coliseum. There's a road that people can, you know...
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Power sliding? Power sliding around it?
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If you want, you can. The police is probably going to arrest you, but you can try. So yeah,
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We walked with...
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We brought the dogs too, so we have photos of the dogs in front of the Coliseum, which
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Steven, you're up next.
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When are you coming to Rome?
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I'm gonna come by this afternoon, I think.
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I'll get the show up and I'll just...
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Do you prefer pasta or pizza for dinner?
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We can figure something out.
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Gluten-free options.
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I have them.
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I actually have them.
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That's good.
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So Myke, did you experience the 14 HomePods in Federico's house?
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I saw three of them. The thing that is more intriguing in the Vittucci household is the
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amount of cameras that there are. There are lots of cameras everywhere. And it made me
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kind of, I was thinking about something because, you know, it was kind of one of the things
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where I was checking my canary more than I do on any other trip just because the cameras
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were just more of a thing that I was seeing in my life. I know that Federico likes to
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monitor the movement of his dogs. We don't need to do that so much because we don't have
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dogs, but you know. But it did. I was looking at my camera at one point and I thought to
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myself, "Huh. The Canary has that microphone functionality, right?" So I tested it out
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and it worked. I was able to activate my HomePod via the speaker in my Canary.
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yeah I saw it I saw it in in person it actually works I tried to do this with
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the echo like when when the canary first got this stuff it didn't work but the
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home part is so much better at detecting it so I was able to turn my lights on
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and off from Rome via the canary's microphone thing it was very cool I don't
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know what I can do with this new power that I have but it's you know it's
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always in my back pocket in case I need it. A really wild Internet of Things Rube Goldberg
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machine. But another thing is, so this was a piece of follow-up and this was kind of
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something that I had in the back of my head last week when we were talking about the fact
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that Federico refused to try a popsocket. I was thinking to myself, "haha, he won't
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have a choice when I see him next week." So I forced him to try my popsocket, which
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use this very strange sentence, on my iPhone and Federico, I would say that I think I may
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have converted you.
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I liked it. I definitely understand why you find it useful. I think Silvia is more convinced
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about it than I am.
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Yeah, she seemed very intrigued. Like, she was like, "Ah, okay." And I was kind of explaining
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why I like it and showing all the different ways I can hold the phone with it.
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Yeah, I'm still not sure if I want to get one, primarily because I really like the idea
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of wireless charging at night, so just putting the iPhone on the ugly but functional Samsung
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charger that I have on my nightstand, because I have a precedent for this, which is when
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my iPhone used to charge via a cable, and the cable was basically touching the floor
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I have this plug on the right side of my nightstand so I can plug in the charger, but then the
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cable touches the floor, unless I wrap it around the nightstand, basically.
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And so, last year, Ginger, one of my dogs, was running, she ran into the cable, and with
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the cable also came the phone, and the phone basically shattered on the ground.
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So ideally I don't want to have cables that the dogs can run into and cause similar damage,
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But also at the same time, having tried the popsocket, I do find it convenient and I do...
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I'm thinking about it.
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Especially because I'm finding myself watching a lot of videos at night on the access...
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I just said access...
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Well, whatever.
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On the max at night and reading using the phone at night in bed and having what you
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do with holding the pop socket with your fist closed and holding it in between two fingers,
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I think that's really convenient. So I'm thinking about it. But also I kind of want to wait
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for the new iPads and see if maybe having the new, I don't know, 10.5 in a new lighter,
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more comfortable design, maybe I'm going to switch to using that to read at night and
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watch videos. So we'll see. Keep us posted. Mmhmm. Yeah.
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We have some frisbees. We have some frisbee follow up.
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Oh my god. Oh my god. This was like so many tweets about this.
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I kind of got my frisbee thing slightly wrong. I was on the right line, but just ever so
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slightly wrong. I mean, as wrong as you could be while still
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being partially right. Yeah, I'm fine with that. Basically, so there
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were many people that wrote in about this, including Marco Arment, who says, "Has anyone
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told you yet, the answer was yes, quite a few people, that you confused Whammo, maker
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of the frisbee, with Aerobee, maker of the Aerobee flying disc. So Aerobee make a frisbee
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that isn't a frisbee, because frisbee is a brand name, Aerobee make their own frisbee-like
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thing, right, called the Aerobee flying disc. They're the company that makes AeroPress.
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So they make stuff like frisbees, not frisbee. So I was-
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I'm looking at pictures, this is a frisbee.
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Right, that's what I mean, but frisbee is a brand, right?
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Like Kleenex and Hoover and stuff like that, and Google, but it's one of those brands that
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gets turned into a word, you know?
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Like a generic product, like an iPod when it was not an iPod, but just an MP3 player.
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So I was close, but just got the company slightly wrong.
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But then, as just an interesting tidbit, listener Brian responded to this thread to say "Error
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press is now an independent company because the Aerobee brand and toy line was sold off
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to a company called Spin Master. That's a good name. The founder of Aerobee kept Aeropress
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and created its own company. So the Aeropress is now a company of its own and the Aerobee
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flying disc is now owned by Spin Master. Spin Master is a good name. I feel like Spin Master
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should be the title of the head of Apple PR. I'm a spin master. I can spin stories however
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Spin is not a good term for PR though. It's got negative connotations.
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I know, right?
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But you can offset that though if you spell "master" with a "z" in the middle of it.
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What if you also put "general" at the end? Spin master general.
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Spin master, oh. I like that.
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It just sounds cool.
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That's good. So there's that. Federico, you have some follow-up about red envelopes.
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Yes. Turns out that a bunch of people were sending us links and confirmation that red
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envelopes are in fact used for weddings too.
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No, no, no. Not in fact, also. You can't say "in fact" because they are also used.
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For weddings too, in addition to New Year's celebrations. So during the tea ceremony for
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the traditional Chinese wedding, there's a moment when gifts are exchanged and usually people,
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and this is an extremely brief summary of this post that listener Dave sent, basically people
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put money in these red envelopes that they give to the groom and the bride, and that's the gift.
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So the gift is a red envelope with money, could be a red envelope with money, but that's a
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traditional thing that people do. There's pictures in the link that you will find in
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the show notes. Myke, what are the show notes?
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Show notes are more of an idea, they're more of a concept than a reality.
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But they're useless then. Listen, shouldn't use the show notes. That's just an idea.
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They're all in your mind, man.
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Okay, moving on. Have you fixed your dropler? This is such a terrible name.
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No, I've not fixed my dropler problem. It doesn't really seem like there are a lot
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of really competitive solutions. It seems like DropShare, which is the one we mentioned
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last week, is the only one that is almost slightly like what I'm looking for because
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it is very similar to Dropla and it actually does have a plan that you know
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you can give them money or you could just use their applications with your
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own storage solutions so I am going to probably switch to drop share but
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ultimately all I really want is for Dropla to just fix their iOS app right
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that's like all I really want I'm already a paid paying customer of Dropla
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like I have a lifetime account which I bought from some it was like included in
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some like package deal thing once you get like here's five productivity apps
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for $99 and one of the reasons I did it was because I got a lifetime account for
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like $20 or something silly like that and so I don't really want to have to
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switch to something where I now need to pay every month because I already have
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this thing and it used to work for me so good but now they change their app and
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it sucks but I'm probably just gonna have to move to drop share I think about
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this lifetime accounts, right? Because I also have a bunch of these lifetime accounts, probably
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with Feedly, the RSS service. And I, like every time I see this lifetime accounts, it
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kind of makes me sad. And it makes me...
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It's not good. Yeah, I don't think it's a good thing.
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Like until I die, I have to use Feedly and Dropler because...
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That wasn't how I was thinking of it, but sure.
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No, it's like, it makes me think about, it makes me think about mortality, like lifetime
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account so forever I'm entitled to using this service like it makes you think man that's
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what I'm saying it's you know like until like when I'm 80 years old will I still be checking
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RSS feeds and 95 Mac and okay I mean that's a you know it's a it's something it's an a
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it's a big it makes me feel bad about my lifetime Evernote account there's not much left in
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it though, right? You have a lifetime Evernote account? No, I don't. So yeah, Jopler, fix
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- We have some news that I feel like the two of you
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may be excited about.
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I don't particularly care,
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but I want to share it with y'all.
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Stardew Valley, which is apparently some sort of game.
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- I like the way you say it.
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Even the way that you say this stuff,
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it's like you're somehow judging it?
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Like Stardew Valley?
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Like it's just the way you said it,
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it was just like, you know, I'm judging you.
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And I don't know why.
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- No, I know it's extremely popular,
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and they're bringing it, the news is,
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they're bringing it to iOS, which I think is pretty cool.
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So it's a port being done by an outside studio,
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which I don't know how these things normally work,
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but I found that interesting.
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This is done all the time.
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This is done all the time.
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This is this is the nature of like
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you create a game for one platform
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and then you want to bring it
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to another platform.
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There are like specialty studios
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who make that happen for you.
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It's weird because it sounds like
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it would be a negative,
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but it's actually a positive
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because the company
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because actually Stardew
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value was developed by one dude
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and mostly still is.
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They have a little bit more help now.
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Need where it's needed.
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Is his name Stardrew?
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Star Drew? His name is Star Drew Valet.
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Star Drew Valet.
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No, uh, what is the guy's name? I was just talking about this recently.
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The guy's name is...
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Is it Star? No. Is it Valet? It is Eric Boron.
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Well... Goes by Concerned Ape is his handle.
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Okay. Um, online. But um, this is a big surprise
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because I straight up never expected that this game would come to iOS.
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It just felt like it was kind of like, well, if they haven't done it already,
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they probably never would.
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It's on pretty much all the consoles now.
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The switchboard is really good and they are bringing again, I'm very surprised
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the full game except for the multiplayer stuff.
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Both excited and nervous because Stardew Valley
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will take every second you can possibly give it. It is one of those types of games. So
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I have no idea what this is going to do to my life, but I assume it's just going to be
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the iOS game I play whenever I want to play an iOS game for a very long time. Like how
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threes is like I still play threes all the time and I expect Stadiu will start to fill
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that role for me for sure.
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going to be $8 and the blog post says that it is sort of been like rebuilt for
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touchscreen gameplay but it is still like the same the same game so yeah it
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wouldn't be incredibly hard to rebuild this game for touch screens because it
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was made for the PC so everything is point-and-click right yeah I can see
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that right so you know they have as long as they've done it well like I don't
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know how this is going to play on a phone. It will be really good on the iPad. Maybe
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if they do some resolution stuff it will be good on the XS Max. But I think you're going
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to need a decent screen for this for it to be really good but you could play it on the
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iPhone. I really hope that it syncs on iOS versions. You can't sync it to your game
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on other platforms but if you play on the PC you can transfer your save data via iTunes.
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So I guess it's like you just drop the file in through iTunes and it will transfer your
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save over and you can just continue from there but it won't be syncing to the other platforms.
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When I was a kid I played a game and you guys can help me remember the name of it.
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We played it on the 64.
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Harvest Moon.
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Harvest Moon.
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So I sunk a lot of time into that as a kid.
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And you're going to love this because Stardew Valley was created because Harvest Moon got
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Like Eric Barone was a huge Harvest Moon fan and the series kind of started to suck over time
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So he created Stardew Valley. So if you enjoyed that you'll probably like this
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All right. I'm gonna put it in my to-do list. Check it out comes out October 24th. Yeah in the IRS app store
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I'm very very very excited
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I'm excited that it's coming to iOS. I'm not going to
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Buy this one because I'm really not a Stardew Valley type of person. Have you played it? I don't remember
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Did you play I've seen I've seen streams and videos. I don't think it's a game for me
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I get bored with these types of games
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Usually so I get I mean it looks fantastic. I'm super happy that it's coming to iOS just not a game for me
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I can sort of get behind Animal Crossing
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but then again
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I got addicted to Animal Crossing real bad 15 years ago on the DS and
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Like that was real bad
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Like I was keeping an agenda for different days of the year and different chores that I needed to do during the day
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Like I wasn't I wasn't meeting up with friends anymore because I needed to catch fish or you know
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Look after my garden
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So I got real bad and from that I sort of got burned and I tried to avoid these types of games as much as possible
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I don't feel a pull toward Stardew Valley and
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I will probably try
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Like when Animal Crossing comes out on the switch, I'll check it out for sure
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But I need to take it easy because I really don't want to end up like 15 years ago was real bad
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I got addicted to Ninten dogs first and then to and then to Animal Crossing on the DS
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My mom still remembers the dogs from Nintendogs and every once in a while when I mentioned
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The Nintendo I'm playing with the Nintendo. She goes like have you have you checked on the dogs?
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I mean even ten years later and she makes me feel bad saying that the dogs are dead
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Game man. Why does she do that to you? I don't know. She's terrible. Sometimes my mom
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She does things like I don't know like so so terrible comments to make me feel bad
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Nintendogs was basically a dog Tamagotchi on the Nintendo DS if you need a little bit of context.
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And it was adorable because you could pet the dogs with the stylus.
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Yeah, yeah. So I mean they're probably dead or they're probably super upset.
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I would assume that they don't die.
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I don't think they don't die.
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Because you didn't play.
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You find them in really, really bad shape. They don't look at you. I think that's what I
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researched 10 years ago, 15, actually maybe 13 years ago when I stopped playing the game,
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I actually tried to make sure that they wouldn't die in the game. So yeah, it's a whole thing.
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So I try to avoid these types of games whenever I can. I understand your reservations now,
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but then I will show you when we're on a plane next together, the game. You showed me,
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you showed me Stardew Valley already. Did I? I watched you play Stardew Valley on Twitch. Oh,
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- Oh, I didn't know that.
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- Yes, I'm aware of you playing the game.
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- Just keep watching me play, you don't need to play.
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Just watch me instead, it's fine.
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- He has a TV dedicated to your Twitch stream, actually.
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- Yes. - What's Myke doing today?
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All right, up next, there is a report
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that Apple has acquired Danish computer vision
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startup Spectral.
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So this company's pretty interesting.
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They have developed some technology using AI
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and neural networks and all the buzzwords you can think of
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to effectively make green screen effects possible
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through a smartphone camera.
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So it cuts out you from the background
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and then it can replace the background with something else.
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And seems like some pretty interesting technology.
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It seems to fit in maybe with what Apple's doing
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with AR and some other stuff.
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It made me think about iChat AV.
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So back in the day you could video conference with people
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and then you could, basically it made you slide
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out of the frame so it could capture the whole background and then it would put you on a
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roller coaster or in the jungle or under the ocean.
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And it was very basic and if you move too quickly there was a lot of image tearing and
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But now with the technology we have today and it seems like what this company was doing,
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Apple could do something like this and it would be pretty nice.
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I'm kind of excited about this.
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I could see this being a lot of fun.
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This technology is still available on the Mac in the form of Photo Booth, right?
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And I'm gonna send you guys right now a picture that I just generated in Photo Booth for your
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enjoyment and you maybe see why they've mostly abandoned this technology at this point.
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I don't think it works very well.
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Did you move out of the frame like I told you to?
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Yeah, you have to move out of the frame or it won't it won't work. So
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I'll put that in the show notes for people.
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I'm gonna try to...
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Gotta hope the spectral is better than this. I like how there's a hole in your head.
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It's very upsetting, isn't it? I think it doesn't like
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my beard. I think that's what it's really upset with.
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It just doesn't like you in general. It's not just a beard.
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It is worth remembering though that Clips has this functionality. So my expectation is that this this is
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probably a more
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advanced or maybe a
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less bandwidth intensive version of this type of technology
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Because my expectation is Apple's buying this to either put it in FaceTime or put it in the iMessage camera
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That they want to put this stuff in because wouldn't it be fun if you could put your animoji into any like
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place in the world, right? Like, you're an emoji character in Paris or whatever.
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They must have something that is superior to what Apple is already doing with the TrueDepth system,
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because that feature of clips is dependent on the TrueDepth
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sensors and camera array of the X and XS.
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They must have something that Apple seems to find convenient and
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possibly useful to integrate in the future.
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I mean these features are always super fun if done well, and I think you know
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my experience with the filters in clips has been pretty awesome. I think they work pretty well.
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But I think it would be more interesting to see this technology applied to the rear-facing camera because right now clips,
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these filters, these scenes, I think they're called, they use the true depth,
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So the front-facing camera and I think it would be fun to have this sort of effects
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For just when taking pictures or when using the rear-facing camera
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Steven's yours your image is better than mine
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It's still not perfect, but it's better and you're wearing a cool t-shirt. Yeah, well, we'll put those both in the show notes
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I see what you're saying Federico like this could at least we could enable to put on other devices and or just make it better
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Right like in general
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It's maybe less because any time the true depth camera is used at length the phone basically catches on fire
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I think it's hot right like it really doesn't like using that for a long period of time
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so yeah, it's
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How did this one come out by the way?
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Cuz like did Apple announce it or did it just like someone updated their link to know it?
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I think a local newspaper had an article about it
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So I don't think I don't think at this point Apple's confirmed it
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But this seems like very much an Apple-like company to buy.
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It's like, oh, yeah, of course.
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That makes a ton of sense.
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Algorithms and cool engineers.
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You see clips benefiting from it.
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You see the AR stuff benefiting from it.
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This makes a lot of sense to me.
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I guess we'll see if some-- a WBC or two from now,
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we see something that's like, oh, maybe that's
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what came from that Danish company.
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Talking about cool companies that Apple bought,
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there is a--
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Yes, we're going to talk about FileMaker. FileMaker is that independent company, right?
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It's a wholly owned subsidiary.
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Let me back up one second. If we were recording this podcast in 1994,
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Federico would be living his best FileMaker life.
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I would be six, first of all. You would be 20.
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If we were this age in 1994, you would be a FileMaker wizard.
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I used to use Bento.
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Oh, me too actually.
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Yeah, me too.
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Wasn't that a FileMaker product?
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It was like, it was, it was like kind of like iLife or iWork, you know, it's like numbers, pages, and then Bento, Shruggy emoji guy.
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It didn't last very long, but yeah, I used it.
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We used to use it at my Apple authorized service provider to track like stock of stuff before we had like a fancy point of sale system.
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We used it for like six months and it was pretty good.
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Man, FileMaker, like, their website is a lot more modern than I had expected it would be.
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Like it actually looks like a website Apple would make, like filemaker.com.
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They are introducing the workplace innovation platform, which I guess is good to know.
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Oh, finally, I've been waiting for that.
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But like all of the text and all of like the buttons and stuff?
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This is an Apple website.
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It looks like an Apple website, which wasn't what I expected.
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and the buttons, yeah this is totally an Apple website. You can escape the work
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work from anywhere and bridge the gap so that's good. It's important to bridge the
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gap. You can streamline your scattered information and inefficient processes.
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I'm always trying to do that. This is what this show is all about, scattered information.
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I bet there are a lot of companies that still have their basically their entire
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business in a file maker database. I can give you some examples Home Depot or
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Nissan Motor, Berkshire Hathaway, Costco, Panasonic. I thought you were just pulling
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these out your brain. No, no, I'm actually reading. FileMakerStories.net coming.
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Anyway, Shortcuts 2.1, the beta version has been released. So this is
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is interesting because it shows that shortcuts is being actively developed
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like throughout the year we would expect right that it's that the app is gonna
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receive updates which now I think for me at least I mean probably isn't an
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original thought but has answered the question of why is this not included in
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the OS I think it's because it's gonna be updated like an app would receive
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updates on a regular schedule and it appears at least for now that the that
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betas of this are going to be somewhat publicly available. You have to sign up on the developer
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website the same as with the original shortcuts beta. But 2.1 is now out on the beta train
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and Federico, can you give us a rundown of what is new?
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Sure. In this first version there's only one major new feature and the rest is just a bunch
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of bug fixes. So if you have problems with App Store actions for example, you should see the fix
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in the new version. Apple is also saying that some of the clock actions, the series suggestions for
00:32:01
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setting alarms, have been fixed, but this weekend Myke and I checked on his device running iOS 12,
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not 12.1 beta, and those actions were not fixed. So it's unclear if maybe this bug fix sort of
00:32:16
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slipped in the release notes or maybe you need to have 12.1.
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The new feature, which was actually announced and shown on stage at WWDC but didn't make
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it to shortcuts 2.0, the App Store release, is weather integration.
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So there's a few actions now for checking the weather and getting forecasts from the
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Weather Channel, which is the data provider of the weather app on iOS.
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This is great because it now allows you to automate certain weather-based shortcuts and
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routines without having to use an API like the Dark Sky API or third-party shortcuts
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like the excellent Kerat weather shortcuts.
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You can get the weather for the current location.
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Of course, you can pass any location you want to the weather action.
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So you can either get your current location and check the weather, or you can do things
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like pass a specific address and check the weather for that location or extract the location
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from a photo or from a contact card and check if you want.
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People have been asking me like why would you want to extract the location of a photo
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and check the weather there.
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Maybe you're a blogger and you need to shoot specific videos at certain locations and it
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may be useful to check the weather there.
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You can also get the details of what shortcuts returns from the weather app.
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This means that you can extract individual data points.
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So you can say "I want to have a full forecast" or "I just want to get the temperature", "I
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just want to get the high and the low" or "I want to get the humidity" or "I want to
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get the rain chance".
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So all of these individual details and data points can be extracted and you can do stuff
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It's easy to imagine how people may in the future do things such as if it's raining,
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make my lights blue, or if it's sunny outside, make them gold, or something like that.
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So it will be interesting to see how people can integrate weather actions.
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I think that most of us are probably going to integrate them as part of our morning routine
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Everybody has a morning routine shortcut, and I think I'm going to swap the current
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solution that I have with this new weather summary, which is faster and easier to use.
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I think there will be more betas for version 2.1. I hope that there's more coming, that
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this is not just the only feature. One of my major complaints right now, in addition
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to the big missing features that maybe we can talk about briefly in a minute, my main
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problem is that one of the iCloud sync features that was launched with Shortcuts 2.0, the
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ability to sync the order of shortcuts between devices is completely broken for me. Like
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it just plain doesn't work. Every time I enable that option, all my shortcuts get scrambled
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on both devices, so it's been impossible to keep track of them. What I'm doing now is
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I have iCloud sync enabled, because that works well, but I disabled the toggle for syncing
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shortcut order. So I'm keeping the same order but manually on both devices.
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I just feel like sometimes the order of my shortcuts just changes. Like it just changes.
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I have no idea why it's happening.
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If you have that option enabled you probably want to disable the sync shortcut order.
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Because that's what it's...
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I didn't even know there was an option.
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Yes, you need to go into...
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Yeah there it is, sync shortcut order.
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You want to disable that and keep an eye on the beta.
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That is in the settings app by the way. I had no idea there was all this stuff in the
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settings app. I didn't even know that there were settings for shortcuts.
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Is there any... do you guys have the frustration where it's sort of crashy?
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Like I have it if I go to edit something or if I'm rearranging sometimes it'll
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just like bomb out to the springboard?
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Yeah I had that a few times. It's a... I think it's one of the long-standing
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bugs of workflow that in some shape or form also made it into shortcuts.
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Sometimes when I'm trying to open and edit a long shortcut, like the one that I
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did today for adding device frames to screenshots. Sometimes it crashes.
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I love that device frames thing by the way, I was just playing around with it now while
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you were talking to see if I could get shortcuts to crash because I know it's doing a lot of
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crazy stuff. Thank you.
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But I just found like a screenshot of Beats music and I ran it through it and it put it
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in like an iPhone 5 or something.
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Should be an iPhone 6 because I don't support iPhone 5 but yeah, it should work.
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Must be an iPhone 6. But it's something for hot buttons.
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all look the same to me now. No, it's a really clever... let's actually talk about this for
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a second. So you worked on this for a while. I know that that iMac is a screenshot of my
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desktop. How does this work? So you are not supplying sliced up images, right? You're
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doing this mathematically? Okay, how does... walk us through this. So this shortcut, it
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It began as a way to add iPhone XS frames to iPhone XS screenshots.
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And now it can add device frames to iPhones, iPad Pro, the 12.9, the 13-inch MacBook Pro,
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the 5K iMac, and the Apple Watch Series 4, the 44mm version.
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The way that it works is, you will see on Reddit and other blogs similar shortcuts that
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require you to manually install these frames, which are transparent PNGs, where you overlay
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the screenshot.
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That's basically what it is.
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My shortcut takes a different approach.
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It doesn't require you to install images in Minecraft Drive, like these image templates.
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You don't need to install anything, you don't need to configure anything, because the images
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are encoded inside the shortcut, and you may ask how can you encode a file, because shortcuts
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do not support file attachments.
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And the trick is to use a base64 encoded version of the image.
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So you're turning an image into text.
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This is like, I don't know, I can't fully wrap my head around the concept.
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The basic idea is that...
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I already struggled with this when he tried to explain this to me over the weekend.
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I was like, wait, an image is text? I don't understand.
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Yes, the idea would be that there's some kind of algorithm that is able to turn files, file objects,
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into binary representations in text. So I don't know fully the way that it works,
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but it's a way to convert a file into a long string of text.
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and the algorithm later can take the string of text and recompose it, basically,
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in a way that it becomes the same file again.
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You can base 64 encode anything.
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You can encode text, you can encode links, you can encode images,
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even videos and zip documents or PDFs, whatever.
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Of course, the bigger the file, the longer the text string,
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and even just encoding the 5K iMac template,
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Just copying the text and pasting the text, it required a few seconds inside shortcuts,
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because you're moving around this insanely long string of random gibberish text.
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Like, it's insane how big it is.
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The entire shortcut, because of these long strings of encoded text, it weighs 10 megabytes.
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A shortcut file is usually like an XML or actually plist file. It's a text file.
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It's a configuration file that you see as a visual thing in the shortcuts app,
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but it's actually a text document with a bunch of XML structure. This one weighs
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10 megabytes, so imagine 10 megabytes of text. It's a lot of text. So yeah, this
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This was fun to put together, it was fun to test the limitations of shortcuts.
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This shortcut will not run inside Siri, it will not run from the widget, and it will
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not complete when activated from the extension.
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You can trigger it from those places, it'll just take you to the shortcuts app to continue
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and finish putting together the images.
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But I was able to create these insane combinations of like 5 iPhones and 2 iPads and a bunch
00:40:46
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of Apple Watches, a MacBook Pro and an iMac and it worked just fine. Just last night I
00:40:51
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saved a 50 megabyte composite image from shortcuts to the Photos app and it worked. In fact I
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think it took longer for the file to be saved to Photos than for the shortcut to actually
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finish running. So that gives you the idea.
00:41:07
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Also it's not every device yet, right? Like you're kind of limited to some specific devices.
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It's most of the modern devices that Apple is selling.
00:41:16
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So these images, these templates, they are the official Apple ones.
00:41:20
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And these are basically most of the official Apple templates that you can find on the Apple
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marketing website.
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I think of those devices, I only lack support for the iPod Touch and the MacBook Air, but
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I really wanted to release it and I didn't want to waste time putting together shortcuts
00:41:39
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for the MacBook Air.
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If I can come across old templates from Apple for the iPhone 5 and the 5s or the SC and
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old iPads, I will update the shortcut.
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But right now I just wanted to support the same devices that Apple is supporting with
00:41:57
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I didn't want to use templates from other people.
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Not because I don't trust them, just because I want to have an official thing that people
00:42:06
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I have them all because I save all the images from Apple's PR site.
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So let me know what you want.
00:42:10
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I'll invite you to a Dropbox folder.
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You have the PSDs?
00:42:15
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For some stuff, we'll talk.
00:42:19
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My people will get with your people.
00:42:20
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Yeah, I feel like the power of you two combined on this one is something that the world should
00:42:25
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be concerned about.
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My payment is though that you do one for the EMAC, so I really need to be able to do that
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in shortcuts.
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Do you have any EMAC screenshots that you have?
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You know what an emac is?
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Is that the Newton thing?
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It's an emate.
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It's an emate.
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What's an emate?
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Which is different from a chessmate.
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They're all different things.
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Is it from a chessmate?
00:42:52
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There's a note in this section of the document, Steven, you really want folders in shortcuts.
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Is that right?
00:43:00
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I don't have a ton of shortcuts.
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I mean, I probably have probably two dozen.
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I know lots of people have many more.
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But even with that number, I find it frustrating that I can't organize them in any way beyond
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order and color.
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So I do have some sort of color scheme I've created, sort of like this type of thing is
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this type of color, but it would be nice to have folders.
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I know that would introduce some potential complexity when firing one of these things
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from something like the share sheet.
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They'd have to do some filtering and get rid of the folders or it'd be an extra tap or
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that main screen, we were scrolling through that list,
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I think having folders would make it
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a little easier to deal with.
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Now, they have to fix the iCloud syncing,
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because like you said, it completely scrambles them
00:43:45
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when you turn that on, but I think just some additional ways
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to organize these, you know, maybe it's not folders,
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maybe it's like things, and you can just have headers,
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like these are my ones about to-do lists,
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these are my ones about images,
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these are my ones about alarms,
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like just some way to group these things,
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Because as people, as all of us create more and more of them,
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it feels like it's getting kind of out of hand
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when you're looking for something.
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- Yeah, this is one of the features
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that I really want to see.
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Besides the ability to run shortcuts at specific times
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or specific locations, instead of having to use
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stuff like Launch Center Pro or Launcher
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to have these triggers for shortcuts,
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I want to have a native automatic trigger feature
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in the shortcuts app.
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I really hope to see folders eventually.
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I almost can't believe that it's still not a thing
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four years after Workflow came out.
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- You mentioned earlier that having the ability
00:44:42
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to update this app outside of OS releases is good,
00:44:44
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and I agree it is good for shortcuts,
00:44:46
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but it doesn't make me so sad for apps like Mail
00:44:49
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and Safari and Notes.
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David Sparks wrote a thing today about how he's trying Bear,
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and one reason is that Notes only gets updates annually,
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if that, and I just wonder if some of these other apps
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decoupled from the system, they could update them quicker.
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It's what Google does with Google Play services.
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It can update things like Gmail and Maps separate from Android
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and while iOS is still this monolithic thing.
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It's an interesting difference, and I wish more apps
00:45:16
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could get the attention Shortcuts does.
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Have you guys seen any problems with searching
00:45:21
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in Notes in iOS 12?
00:45:23
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I've started to have an issue where I have a file name,
00:45:28
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say like October tour and I search the word tour and it gives me no results.
00:45:33
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I don't think I ever search in notes.
00:45:38
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Yeah, I don't either.
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Yeah, I do. I do. Like just to find a note, right? Because I have lots of notes. I keep
00:45:43
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a lot of stuff in notes. And that's just the searching is just getting worse. Like actual
00:45:48
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- So we have a lot of Google stuff to talk about.
00:47:47
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The company had a press event in New York City
00:47:50
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earlier this week talking about new phones
00:47:52
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and some other stuff.
00:47:53
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So I thought we could go through some of the stuff
00:47:56
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they announced and kinda talk about it as we go through.
00:47:59
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So let's start with the Google Home Hub.
00:48:04
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So I think last year we saw the first
00:48:06
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like Google Smart Display from Lenovo.
00:48:09
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So it's like, kinda like the Echo Show, right?
00:48:11
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like it's a small tablet and a speaker base you put in your kitchen or somewhere.
00:48:14
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Some quick specs for y'all. It's got a seven inch touchscreen LCD.
00:48:18
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It has a true tone feature. They call it ambient HQ,
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where if the light is warmer than the screen is warmer, that sort of thing.
00:48:26
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A physical mute switch to kill the microphone so it's not listening.
00:48:30
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And I think perhaps most interesting, there is no camera.
00:48:35
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So there's no...
00:48:36
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And they said they made like a conscious decision to not put a camera on it.
00:48:40
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so you could feel comfortable putting it in your bedroom.
00:48:43
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And there's there's two parts of this one, which is like the side, which is like,
00:48:47
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yeah, that is cool. And the other side of like, why should it not be cool?
00:48:50
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Like the phones that they sell have cameras in them.
00:48:53
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Well, I think there's anyway, I think it's just the deal.
00:48:56
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Two things. I think Amazon made it creepy with the drop in feature.
00:48:59
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And Google could have not picked a better week to announce something without a
00:49:03
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camera because it was like a day after the Facebook video messenger
00:49:07
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Echo type thing that they've released that.
00:49:10
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:49:11
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It got broadly mocked, at least in the circles of Twitter I'm in.
00:49:14
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So I think it's interesting.
00:49:15
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I think something in the kitchen, you know, like with a phone, you can put it in the drawer,
00:49:18
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but it's out all the time.
00:49:19
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So it's interesting.
00:49:21
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So this is like, it's Googley, right?
00:49:24
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So it's the Google Assistant.
00:49:27
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Their OS is very, it's very nice looking, very colorful, lots of voice interaction,
00:49:32
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but it's got a touchscreen as well.
00:49:34
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It can play videos from YouTube, plus YouTube Music, Spotify, Pandora, and iHeartRadio support.
00:49:39
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so lots of streaming stuff.
00:49:41
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And they're doing this thing that Amazon's trying to do
00:49:43
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of like create a centralized location
00:49:48
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for all of your smart home stuff.
00:49:50
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So like for me, for instance, I have several Nest cameras,
00:49:54
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a Nest thermostat, I have a bunch of Hue bulbs,
00:49:56
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I have some switches or like outlets from iHome.
00:50:01
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It's like all my stuff works with HomeKit
00:50:03
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except the Nest stuff, and I gotta go into
00:50:05
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these individual apps and do things,
00:50:07
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and I don't have one cohesive place
00:50:11
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to control all of this stuff,
00:50:13
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because again, I use Nest products.
00:50:15
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Well, the Home Hub is designed to kind of bring
00:50:18
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all that stuff into one interface.
00:50:20
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So they showed, of course they have Nest stuff,
00:50:23
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'cause Google owns Nest,
00:50:24
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but then they had Hue stuff and other light bulbs
00:50:26
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and smart switches, and they sort of have a level of UI
00:50:31
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above all those third-party apps,
00:50:34
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so you can get a good overview of what everything is doing.
00:50:38
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Sort of like the TV app does on Apple TV, right?
00:50:40
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You have all of your individual content providers
00:50:43
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and the TV app is sort of like a layer on top.
00:50:46
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I think it's really an interesting approach
00:50:49
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with smart home stuff because very often
00:50:51
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we do mix and match brands and HomeKit
00:50:53
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isn't supported by everybody.
00:50:54
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So this does have to be supported
00:50:57
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by the various manufacturers.
00:50:58
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It seems like they have all the major players here,
00:51:00
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at least a lot of them.
00:51:01
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So I think that's a pretty big deal.
00:51:05
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And it's only $149.
00:51:07
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I thought for sure this was going to be $250 or $300.
00:51:11
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Maybe I'm just used to being an Apple customer.
00:51:13
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But $149 for a seven-inch Google Home Hub with no camera.
00:51:18
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What do y'all think?
00:51:21
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I like the idea of having this dedicated interface for home
00:51:26
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And there's this idea that I had of it's
00:51:30
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It's kind of like CarPlay, but for your home.
00:51:33
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So you get this -- it's like based on integrations and stuff that you manage on the phone, but
00:51:38
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it gives you this personalized and different, easier to use probably, UI to manage accessories
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and to manage different features that you would also get on the phone, but you get them
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on this display, which makes more sense for a shared use.
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I love how it doesn't have a home screen, but it shows you actions and how you can swipe
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down to get this sort of control center for your home.
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This is so much better, for example, the UI of the home hub and also the new design for
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the Google Home app on iOS is so much better than what Apple is doing with the Home app
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on iOS 12 even.
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It's colorful, it gives you actual explanations for what the buttons do, there's different
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types of icons, so there's like, in the Home app from Apple, everything looks the same,
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It's either a rectangle for scenes or a square for all kinds of accessories.
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And I think it's so much better to have this kind of design where everything is clearly
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presented and it gives you actions like shortcuts to stuff that you can do.
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It just looks better and more intuitive.
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I think it's great that it's launching with support for multiple voices and multiple timers.
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It feels to me like it's an Echo Show, but done better by Google.
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I'm not interested in this product, I'm not interested in the Google ecosystem, but boy
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do I wish that Apple made one of these.
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That's my takeaway.
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I want these but from Apple with a better UI
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than the current home app on iOS.
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- Yeah, it's one thing I sort of skipped over.
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The Google Assistant has multiple voice support
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so it can tell you and your significant other apart.
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They have a lot of family limit stuff now
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that just kind of like iCloud does.
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And so you can even set like,
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hey, if one of my kids talks to it,
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they only have access to this sort of content
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or it won't respond to them within these hours.
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You can set the whole thing in a do not disturb mode
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so the screen won't come on.
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All it will do is alarms.
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So it seems like it's very flexible,
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very well thought through.
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I agree with you.
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I've got Apple Music.
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I'm not interested in any other streaming service.
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I do have Nest stuff, so this would be nice.
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But having something like this from Apple would be nice.
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Like a HomePod with a screen.
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And it seems like it's something
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all these other companies are doing.
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If it continues to take off,
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I think Apple will have to look at it.
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So here's something kind of strange.
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I didn't watch this video live, like I didn't watch your presentation live.
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I watched the presentation later on in the evening because I was recording another show
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when it was going on. And I thought I would check in and see what was being announced
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and that kind of stuff. And just because I figured if there was anything that I wanted
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to buy just by looking at the products, I would need to put the order in sooner rather
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than later and then I was going to watch the presentation later on in the evening, which
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I did. And I saw this thing and I was like, "Huh, that seems interesting." And I preordered
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it. Like I put a preorder.
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After I watched the video, I cancelled my preorder.
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And I don't really know why. I just saw it and I was kind of like, two things I think
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It's like one is like I don't really think I need this
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I don't know a hundred percent really sure where it go in my life
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Like where I would put it in my home and the other was I think I kind of remembered
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How frustrating I found
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the Google home to be
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Right like and it's some of the frustration that I have with the home pod
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But I find the home pod to have other advantages in that it sounds really good
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But you remember I have one of those Google home minis. Yeah, and I just found it way too
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conversation, like way too conversational compared to the echo.
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I just was like, it has way too much to say.
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And when you ask a question like it's so much more verbios,
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especially when my echo a couple of days ago said to me,
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like I asked it a question like to internalize or whatever.
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And it just said, oh, hey, by the way, if you want, I can say less.
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Just just let me know. Like, would you want me to do this?
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I can make play sounds instead. And I was like, yeah.
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and now it just says when I ask it to turn on the lights it just goes like it doesn't say okay
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anymore. It's kind of funny that like as I was getting frustrated about my HomePod being too
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chatty the Echo was like "I know what I can do I'll say less that will make him love me more"
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um so I was kind of just like if I was going to get one of these things it would make more sense
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for me to get an Echo Show because I am more in the Echo camp like I'd have to probably change out
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my other devices for the Google Home and at this point I don't really feel like the Google Home
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gives me much more that I would really want to use than the Echo ecosystem does. So I decided not to
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go for it right now. Plus I found the hardware at the back to be very attractive at the front to be
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super ugly like the bezel is huge but I don't know why they make such a big thing about having it
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it blend into your home when all of the faces are white,
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considering the bezels are so big.
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Like they do a black one, but the bezels are white
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on the front of the screen.
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And that would look terrible in my kitchen
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because everything else is like,
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it would fit way better if I got the black one,
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but then the front of it's white.
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Like I wasn't that impressed with the hardware.
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I actually think like, you can see why this thing
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costs $149, I think that the hardware shows that.
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I think it not having a camera, that might be one of the reasons it actually doesn't
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have a camera, because they wanted to make this thing $150.
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But I actually am not impressed really with the way that the hardware looks.
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I actually think, we haven't spoken about it, but the new Echo Show I think looks better
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than this one.
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Have you seen the new Echo Show?
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The Echo Show 2?
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It's way better than the original.
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I prefer the design of the Echo Show 2 to this Google Home product. It's just kind of
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it looks, you know, it's got black screen on the front. It's a little bit more what
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I would want in my home. It has the home product fabric like everything else does. But yeah,
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I just figured that I don't really think that this is a device for me purely because like
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I'm not really I don't want a third assistant at home.
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Right. I don't want to use Siri and Alexa and Google Home.
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You can use them, right?
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I don't want to use them all like I don't.
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And and I'm pretty happy with what I currently have.
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I don't know if I need this right now.
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It's kind of my thinking on it. That's fair. But there you go.
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So if I haven't found enough reason to buy an Echo Show, why would I buy this?
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Yeah. That was kind of why I ended up canceling. Sure.
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So let's move on to the Pixel Slate.
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It is a tablet, 12 inch tablet that runs Chrome OS,
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has an optional keyboard and trackpad,
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a couple hundred bucks, with backlit keys,
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which is nice, but they're circular,
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which is kind of weird.
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Like other recent Chrome OS devices,
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it runs Android apps, and it's powered by Intel,
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so you can get a Celeron M3, i5, or i7 CPU.
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You can price this thing up from $599
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all the way to basically $1,700 depending on the specs.
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- There's a lot of customizability in this thing,
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which is interesting.
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- Way more than I thought there would be.
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3000 by 2000 display, that puts it at 293 pixels per inch,
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which is higher than the iPad,
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but not as high as the iPhone.
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Eight megapixel front and rear cameras.
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The front camera is sort of wide-angled,
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so you can do video chat a little bit easier.
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Two front-facing speakers, two USB-C ports,
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a fingerprint reader on the power button,
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no SD card reader, no headphone jack.
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There is a headphone adapter in the box.
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I think what's interesting about this is the software
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that is running Chrome OS,
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Android on tablets seems to be dead.
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I think it should be, that never really took off.
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But in their presentation, Google threw a lot of shades.
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They call things like the Surface, too much like a PC,
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and other tablets, who will remain nameless,
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kind of too much like a big iPhone.
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And they think--
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- This annoyed me. - Yep.
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- This really angered me. - Yeah.
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- Because they kept going back to this well a lot.
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And they were throwing overall way more shade at Apple
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for saying that like, oh, you know,
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it's not like a phone app, it's a real app.
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It's not like a phone OS, it's a real OS.
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But here's the thing about this.
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It's like Google don't understand
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what they're actually selling.
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The only tablets that exist today that are like big phones are Android tablets.
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Because Apple has a rich ecosystem of tablet apps, which Google doesn't have, right?
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Like, so you can use the Chrome browser.
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That the operating system, Chrome OS, is basically what's in the browser.
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And it is a, I mean, you know what's really nice?
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A full version of Chrome.
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That is super cool because you can use web apps and all that sort of stuff.
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But if you don't want to use a web app, the only apps that you have are Android apps,
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and Android apps on tablets are terrible, so you end up with just phone apps.
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The actual operating system that runs phone apps on a tablet is this one, and that's what
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I found so interesting about this.
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And also in the presentation, they don't even mention the Android apps, because I think
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they know this.
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They just talk about web apps.
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That's what they're talking about.
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Chrome OS apps.
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And the Android apps are there for where companies haven't got in on the Chrome OS thing.
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And so I just found that like, I think they should, they had a really cool product here,
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but I think they need to rein in the shade because they can do whatever they want, but
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this thing's not going to sell very well.
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And they're going to end up with egg on their face, right?
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Like I just don't, like most people are going to buy an iPad.
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If you don't buy an iPad, you're probably going to get a Surface before you're going
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to get this unless you're in an education environment, I think.
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Now, like, there were also, Dieter Baum got to look at this thing a little bit
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early and he made a video about it.
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And like when I was watching it, I was like, yeah, a full web
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browser could go a long way for me.
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Right. Like we use Google Docs all the time, use Google Sheets all the time.
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But I don't always want to use websites like I like native apps.
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I like the way that they feel.
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I don't always want to use web apps.
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Yeah, but Apple could...
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Ideally what you're using.
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But Apple could give us both if Safari on the iPad was
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Big Boy Safari.
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And it's not.
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100 percent. Yeah. Yeah.
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But that's where if you live in Google Docs and Google Sheets, something like
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this is attractive because you get the full the fuller versions.
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Oh, 100 percent.
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I agree with that.
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And that's what they should have spent more time pitching rather than just trying
01:03:03
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to say that they had the best product when I don't think that they do here
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as well. Something that was interesting.
01:03:10
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MKBHD did a video with the Pixel, which we'll talk about in a bit,
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but he called this out specifically that the OS on this device was super glitchy.
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And you can see it indeed the bones video.
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But he makes literally no mention of the fact that like using this thing
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looks like a train wreck right now. And it could be that it's early.
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Like when I don't even know if they said when this is shipping,
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but on the Google website right now, like at least for me in the UK,
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it just says to join the waiting list.
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So maybe they still have.
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That's all there is.
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It's probably too early and that's
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why I mean, I hope that's why it
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looks so bad because it was super
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But I just think that Google
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have come a long way in their
01:03:51
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presentations and they
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seem to in you know, they do
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with the pixel, they throw some
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shade at Apple.
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But I think in some interesting
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ways, I think that this was
01:04:00
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misguided and they were trying way
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too hard. And I think that
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I think this is going to come back
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to bite them a little bit when the
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reviews come out. But we'll wait and
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Yeah, I think it's interesting to see the list that they're just pretending that nobody
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is getting work done on the iPad Pro at this moment.
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Every time I see these companies making fun of other tablets, or just people in general
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writing these articles about tablets today, I thought that this was a discussion that
01:04:33
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that was over three years ago with the iPad Pro,
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but it feels like some people still want to sort of try
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and make the point again when the facts
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are just picking for themselves.
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There's a rich ecosystem of native tablet apps
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on the App Store.
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There's some crazy stuff that you can do
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on an iPad Pro today.
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Yes, it could be better.
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Yes, it could use a desktop browser.
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Yes, we need more desktop, not even desktop class,
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that's not a term that I like,
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but actual desktop apps on the iPad.
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there's Photoshop coming, there's Illustrator coming, but we need more. But to say that
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the current iPad OS is a big fun OS, that is, besides being completely false, it just,
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it betrays this kind of, I don't know, it just not, it's just not cool to the point
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where I want to see what happens when these reviews come out, and if any reviewers will
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point out the differences between the Slate and the iPad Pro or even the Surface, which
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is an excellent tablet for different use cases. I just think it's funny that you can just
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pretend other tablets don't exist or are not good.
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You can buy it, you can't buy this right now, but like I'm pretty sure that I am going to
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buy it just so I can review it on this show or whatever, because I really feel like, because
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Because even in Dieter Bohn's video he's like saying that you can't work on an iPad but
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you can probably work on this thing and it's just like I really don't, I mean I think that
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a lot of reviewers are coming to this in like an interesting way that I don't fully understand.
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You know it's like they say that because you don't have a full web browser you can't use
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Google Docs but like that's...
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I mean if your company uses a CMS that depends on having a desktop browser sure you cannot
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get work done on an iPad. And that's probably it for a lot of these people, right? That
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like, they can't get their work done, so they just assume nobody can work on it. Where I
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think for people to do it's the difference. Like, I can, I know that not everybody can.
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I can't do all my work on an iPad. I can do most of it. But I do want to be able to compare
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these two things because I think I will be surprised at how much of my work I can do
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really comfortably on a device like this because of how much time I do spend in Google products.
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And I really wish they would have focused more on that as opposed to being like,
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"We've solved it guys, don't worry, like, Google's come and save the day." Like,
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it just seems super strange to me. It is funny to me that this thing has two USB-C ports because,
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like, laptops can't do that in some instances. Like, Microsoft just announced a bunch of Surface
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stuff which has no USB-C ports on it which is wild like I'm really surprised about that.
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But like this annoys me because this looks like a cool product but like their overall rhetoric has
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frustrated me. But it has a keyboard and the keyboard has a trackpad which is super cool.
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It has a kind of a case that comes with the keyboard which allows for adjustability of
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angle which is good but the keyboard is not like firmly attached to the case which basically makes
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it unusable in your lap. This is like that Logitech create case, the newer one, which
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I hated. If the keyboard doesn't have a firm connection to the tablet, when you're trying
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to type on it on your lap, the keyboard is just going wild. It just goes everywhere.
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This is not really a lapable thing, I think, but it will be really good on tables because
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it has an adjustable viewing angle, which is something that I wish Apple would have
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which is why I use the bridge keyboard for my iPad Pro,
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because it has the adjustable angles on it,
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which I really like.
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But yeah, it's like, I wish that they didn't
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rile me up so much, 'cause I think I'd be more excited
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about this, but like, I could have taken one hit of this,
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it's like, okay, cool, I get what you're doing,
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but the whole presentation was just dripping in this like,
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don't worry guys, we solved it, when Google's history
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for these types of devices hasn't been that great so far.
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So I feel like it should take--
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I mean how else are they gonna pitch it?
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Right like they get up there and be like as I said they didn't have to go so hard right like they could have
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They could have pitched it for what the product actually is which is
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This is the best Chrome OS device you can buy and there are people that will be able to get their work done on it
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And you can say that without then saying oh, it's not like those phone OSes
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Oh, and it's not like a it does you know it's not like some rubbish thing which has a fan in it like you don't
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need to bash everyone else to say that your product's good. Yeah, I mean, I don't
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know, I just I don't take it as personally as y'all do, but... There's a
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there's a few things that I... Can't get work done on a Mac, that's what they said.
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Did you hear him say that? I heard them say that. Now, are you upset now, huh? There's a few
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things that I like. There's a there's the the home screen, whatever you want to
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call it, on the slate has these actions, these launchers, that are suggested
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suggested through machine learning. If you remember, a few episodes ago, here on Connected,
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we were speculating about how could Apple improve the iOS home screen next year. And
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one idea that I shared was, what if, in the future, in addition to icons on the home screen,
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you could also get shortcuts suggested by the system, or you could manually pin some
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of your favorite shortcuts. And this is kind of the idea, right? On the slate, you will
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get these actions, which have a different name on Android, I'm not sure what they're
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called, probably shortcuts or actions.
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But you have them at the top of the home screen and they are suggested by the OS, which I
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think is interesting and something that I would also like Apple to explore.
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There's the power button as a fingerprint sensor in it, so again, Apple is probably
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going to dispense with Touch ID to make room for Face ID, but it's always fascinating to
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me how these companies are finding ways to sort of tuck the fingerprint sensor into different
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buttons that are not actually home buttons, which I think is fascinating. The keyboard
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supports multiple angles, which I like. I thought it was fascinating that Google made
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a comment on the design of the round keys. In the interview with Dieter Bohn at The Verge,
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one of the project managers said that while it looks strange initially, Google did a bunch
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of user testing and they realized the round shape for the keys, this is where we actually
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need Jason Snell on the show, they discovered that users were making fewer mistakes, so
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fewer typos, after getting used to the round design of the key.
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It looks like a typewriter to me, like one of the old typewriters that my dad used to
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have, not sure about it, but it looks cool, and there's a bigger point that I really want
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Apple to rethink the smart keyboard as an actual keyboard with backlit keys and probably
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a trackpad too. But still, I want an actual keyboard with plastic keys that are backlit
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and that looks and behaves like a computer keyboard.
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And a trackpad.
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And a trackpad. Yeah, also USB-C, there's a, what would you call this, follow out? Myke,
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I need to mention something that you guys are saying on upgrade.
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Yeah, it's follow out.
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out the idea of adding USB-C to the iPad Pro, to the future version of the iPad Pro. The
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rumor from 9to5Mac saying that Apple is doing this to use external displays. I also wrote,
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I think in the iOS review, maybe Myke you actually read this out loud, or maybe it was
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another post on Mac stories, there should be a way to plug in a USB drive via USB-C
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and have there be a location of the Files app.
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Yeah, you said this for the last couple of years in the review.
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You should have the option to plug in a drive.
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And it's not like you get a hard drive icon on your home screen.
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You just get a location in the Files app.
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Apple already has a...
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If Apple add a USB-C port to the iPad and don't do this,
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it's like a slap in the face.
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So the Slate has two USB-C ports, good on them.
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that's a good idea. I really hope that Apple switches to USB-C on the Apple 2.
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There will only be one of them, huh?
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Yeah, one of them, not two.
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There's only going to be one.
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There's not going to be two if they do add it.
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Johnny doesn't like two ports.
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There can be only one.
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No, he doesn't.
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- So let's move on and talk about the Pixel 3
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and Pixel 3 XL.
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They have a similar two-tone design to last year,
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so it's like a color and then like a glass window
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at the top that's a similar color but different finish.
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They've retained that, but they've made it all glass
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on the back, so like one glass has like a different finish.
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- And no two-tone design this year, which is a real shame.
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I love that two-tone one.
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You like the white and black?
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What? No, no, it's... Oh yeah, yeah, the panda one's gone, but I mean like...
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The panda's gone.
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It's like white and like off-white.
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Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like two slightly different...
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Colours in the same colour. They have a white one, a black one, and a pink one.
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What? It's called Not Pink. I kinda like...
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I like their names. I like their names. Like I think that they're kinda cute and it's like
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a funny name. What do they call them? It's like Not Pink and...
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Just Black, Clearly White, Not Pink.
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I like those names. I can't tell you why, but I just like them.
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I feel like I should be in charge of making these names.
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I feel like this is something that I would be good at.
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I actually agree with that.
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Somewhat orange or kind of purple.
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Like, I would love to, like as a job, I would love to be the color
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chooser for Google.
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Did you guys notice like throughout this presentation
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the kind of Apple-y like way that they were doing things, like
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where they had their like head designer talking about their design process and
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they had videos and stuff. Did you notice that?
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Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
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I found that interesting. Right. And also like,
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I kind of agree with it because I kind of feel like they are doing good jobs
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with their design and that they should be able to talk about it in a similar way
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that Apple does if they believe that they are being as focused.
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But I just found it was like an interesting change and I kind of welcomed it
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because I want to see a little bit more about that stuff at Google.
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I think they know they're playing in a world where that sort of stuff is important to show
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You know, Apple does it, Samsung started it.
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Especially when they're charging the same prices.
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We will get to that.
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It's very expensive.
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So the big deal with the Pixel, of course, is the camera.
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So the rear is now a 12.2 megapixel camera.
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They've added a bunch of software stuff.
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It does seem like it's an improved hardware.
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They weren't super clear about hardware differences,
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I didn't think, not the way Apple normally is,
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but new software including Top Shot,
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which selects the best image,
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automatically taken from a burst series.
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They've got some stuff where if you wanna take a selfie,
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you just pick up and it sort of knows what's going on
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and takes the picture for you.
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And there's still just a single camera
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where everyone else has two,
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now three cameras in some cases.
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But on the front, they did add a second one.
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So the front facing camera,
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you have the regular selfie camera,
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and now you have what they call a group selfie camera
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with a Y 97 degree lens.
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So it's not fish eye,
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like the pictures look pretty good
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from their sample photos.
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But you know, if you're taking a group shot,
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you don't have to squeeze everybody in now,
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it's a little bit easier.
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Which I think is great,
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it makes a lot of sense for how people use these things.
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- It is definitely a good practical use.
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It is just kind of funny to me
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that like Google feel like they're proving a point
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with one camera on the back, but they put two on the front.
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And it is true, like they don't,
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for everything that all other companies
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are adding multiple cameras on the back of a phone for,
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they're doing all of that stuff in software.
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And it still seems like they're better at it
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than anybody else's, right?
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For like, they're even, I mean,
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I'm super keen to see what this looks like.
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They're using AI to do software zoomed photos now.
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And like, so you can zoom and apparently
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it's gonna look really good because they're using,
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the shaking of your hands, it's like all this weird AI stuff that they're doing. But like,
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you know, they seem to be saying we only need one camera on the back as long as it's a good camera
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and we can fix everything in software. But the idea of having more people in a selfie,
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I actually kind of like this. I think I would actually really like this feature personally,
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right? To have a wider angle lens when needed for group pictures would be kind of cool.
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They showed some stuff that they have a new like low light mode that they've given a name to it's
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like night light or something I can't remember the exact name but they showed a picture one taken on
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the iPhone XS and one on the Pixel 3 and again as with Apple all these pictures they show the best
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ones possible but if this is true and that is the difference in low light photography my word
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like that is huge. It looks really good. It seems like it's sort of impossible actually.
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It almost feels like that was a... I don't know, I'm sure it's not the case.
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But it looks like the picture on the XS was taken badly on purpose almost. Like it's
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too... like the comparison is too good in favor of the Pixel 3. As I say, these things always,
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They always choose the best things possible. But like even if it's like half the way there, right?
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Like it's gonna be a hugely noticeable difference
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So this is one of those things where like I'm just waiting for him KB HD show me some photos now
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Right like and then I'm gonna know
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It is super interesting and talking about MKB HD. He did a real good video
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He got an exclusive while he's wearing a peacock shirt in his video, too
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which is so awesome for James like it's very cool but like he kind of said that
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it's kind of weird that all of the enhancements that Google are talking
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about and they kind of confirmed it to him too in the camera they're all
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software there's except for that selfie thing the hardware is doing none of the
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advancements Google are charging like a lot more money for these phones they're
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like, how much more are they? They're like $150 more in some cases. And it seems like,
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you know, except for the fact that there is a bigger screen, right, on them too. But like,
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all of the enhancements that they seem to be talking about are software enhancements.
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So it's like a real interesting thing. And they're saying they're not going to bring
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it to the other phones. It's just for the three line. I mean, and that's, you know,
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we talk about this with Apple, right? Like that is Google's prerogative to do this. It's
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just in I just find it interesting especially with the camera stuff where
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they have a bunch of new camera features but they're all software
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features it's not being enabled by different hardware on the devices where
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it seems like at least some of what Apple's doing or at least what they're
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saying is is enabled by hardware for the smart HDR because they got the neural
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chip or whatever so there's something that I'm really interested in called
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it's like autofocus but basically you it's like tap to focus on the iPhone you
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tap what you want and the focus follows it so if a dog or a kid is sort of
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running back and forth in the frame the focus will follow it. 100% apples to copy
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this. I want this so badly on my iPhone. Yes this will be will be perfect
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because my dogs they do not want to pose for pictures unless we have plenty of
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trees so yes please copy autofocus for puppies and babies thank you this is an
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excellent idea. You have a great brand name there. It's good. I think out of all the stuff
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they announced on the camera, this is a thing of like, oh man, this is really smart. Really
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smart. Yeah, I think this is just not a thing that I need because I don't have puppies or
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babies. Don't you have a... I can see why it would be cool. You got a Roomba. The Roomba
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moves around. Not that fast though. You can ask Kadina to run around the house and take
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pictures of her. Right, but that's the specific thing that I'm then requesting. Like, that's
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my own fault. She just typically doesn't do that.
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She's not a fast-moving wife, Myke.
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If she wants to be, sure. But I don't really know if I take pictures of her in those moments.
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What is happening? I think the Pixel 3 is going to continue to be at the top of the
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heap when it comes to smartphone cameras. I think that the Pixel 2…
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Everyone saying the 2 is still better.
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Yeah, a year later.
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I am super keen to see how this ends up looking.
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- I do that, we talked about Google's positioning earlier,
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and they're still finding their way in these events,
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and so maybe they overstepped in some things.
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But they said multiple times that how honored they were
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that the Pixel 2 was still regarded the best
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in a year of really good phones.
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Yes, they compared directly to the XS,
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but they seem to understand that they're the new kids
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on the block and that they are trying to respect that in a way that I found sort of refreshing.
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So can I just say, considering I got so upset a moment ago, all of the stuff around the
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Pixel I think they did right in comparing it to others. They said they were better in
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places that we all know they are, right? And they were also really humble. And this is
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on a product that exists that is successful, where the slate is this new thing and they're
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already coming in and saying it's better than everything else. So I thought their positioning
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on the pixel stuff especially was really good because they were saying and I
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really liked it where they were like people say that it's the best camera
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still and we're like super honored about that because there are all these other
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great cameras that have come out in the last year and it's like that is a really
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cool way to show your number one like it's a humble brag they did a good job
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of it and I thought that they positioned that well. Me too. It's got a couple of
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things we talk about there's a $79 wireless stain that sort of puts it up
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at an angle that enables some like hands-free Google Assistant stuff. They're not the first
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to do this. In fact, the Palm Pre in webOS had a dock mode that if you put it on its
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touchstone charger it did some things. So just saying. Just saying. There is no headphone
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jack. Last year with the Pixel 2 they made a big deal that they still had the headphone
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jack. They got rid of it this year. There was no explanation of it. It's just gone.
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So I mean what's the explanation right? Everybody's doing it because there's no explanation. The
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The explanation is everybody's doing it.
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So the Pixel Slate, to back up for a second, also no headphone jack.
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And in the Dieter Bohn video, he asked them about that.
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He says, "Well, you know, people are using Bluetooth on their phones, and so we figure
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they don't want to carry wired and wireless, so we'll just go Bluetooth everywhere."
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It's like, well, that's sort of a backwards way of thinking.
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That's a non-answer answer.
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"Oh, everyone got riveted on their phones, including our new phones."
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So what can you do?
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The sizes are a little bit bigger.
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So the Pixel 3 is 5.5 inches up from five before.
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It starts at $799 for a 64 gigabyte model.
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100 extra bucks gets you 128 gigs of storage.
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That is more expensive than last year.
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As we will see, this is a refrain
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with the Pixel 3 this year that they are more expensive.
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And they are trying to position themselves as the,
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if you want a really clean Android experience,
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and you want nice hardware, in some cases
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the best hardware you can buy, then you're gonna pay for it.
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They're trying to, as premium phones,
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like the Nexus line back in the distant past was not that.
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The Pixel is like the premium Android phone.
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But it's still less than a lot of Samsung flagship phones
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and less than if you're gonna buy like an iPhone XS Max.
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So they are cheaper than other flagships,
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but they are more expensive than they used to be.
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And again, I follow a lot of tech reporters
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and people that are maybe even more focused on Android,
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but it does seem like the general rhetoric is like,
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it's more expensive for a reason that we can't find.
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- Yeah, it's not, if there was a second camera on the back,
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like okay, that doesn't really justify $150,
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but I understand I'm getting something.
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- Like a material difference, right?
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The materials are the same, they're still using Glass.
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Again, it's like, it's all excuses,
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but like Apple used stainless steel, right?
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Which is more expensive, like whatever, you know,
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like it's one of the reasons that there's the difference
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in pricing between the XS and the XR
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is the materials used on the device, so.
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- We gotta talk about the 3XL though.
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So once again, the little Pixel
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and the big Pixel phone have different designs.
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So this year, the 3XL is 6.3 inches
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from six inches before,
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but my friends, it has a notch.
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and Google says, Google says it has an edge to edge design.
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I would argue with that.
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It still has a pretty big chin.
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- They actually didn't.
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The way, okay, so the way they explained it on stage,
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I wrote it down because it was so funny to me.
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The presenter says, "This display extends all the way
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to the upper corners."
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And I was like, "Oh yeah, 'cause the bottom, right?
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It's not going to the corners on the bottom, is it?"
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And I thought that was like a really funny way
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that they positioned it.
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And they try and say like, I mean, they do say the reason that there is that space on the bottom is for the front facing stereo speakers.
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I mean, yes, that's probably true.
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I don't know how important that is.
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Like, I'm sure it's nice to have front facing stereo speakers, but I don't know if front facing stereo speakers is worth not having the screen space.
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I would wonder how many people if they ask them,
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right, we're gonna move the speaker down to the bottom now,
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like where it is on the iPhone,
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and you're gonna get more screen space.
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They would say, no, no, please, please, my stereo speakers.
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Like I don't think that's a thing a lot of people would say.
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Like the notch is really big.
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I think the notch is bigger than pretty much
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any other phone that has a notch.
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I think it is made to look even bigger
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by the fact that there's the chin
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on the bottom of the phone.
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Don't think that this is a particularly good-looking phone to be honest
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Like I'm I liked the way the old pixels looked when they came out
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I'm not sure that I'm convinced on the way the screen looks on this thing. I don't think they've done a
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Incredible job with the the way this thing looks on the front. Yeah, I agree
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It looks bigger and the if the angles are sharper going into it
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So it doesn't feel as as sort of gradual in a way that the yeah does there's something about the the way that it
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Cuts out of the border that feels more aggressive
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I think it makes it look bigger and that's probably just because they've tried to minimize the amount right because it's going so deep
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That they've made the corner quite sharp. So it's not taking even more of the screen than it needs to yeah
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I kind of wish that they had
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Not done the notch and they look the same and even though that would mean the XL has to be bigger to fit all that
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Stuff up there. It just it doesn't look
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Doesn't look great
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It's super weird that these phones are so different from each other when like
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The iPhone way to do it like the Samsung like between the galaxy s9 and the galaxy s9 plus and even the note
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Like that's all pretty much the same design language just scaled up
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Yeah, and how old does the Pixel 3 look now? Like it looks like a really old phone.
01:30:46
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Yeah, it's, they've got some way to, they got some some way to go and then there's
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there are rumors with the past ones you know that it was like a an HTC or
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somebody else you know basically they picked up a phone they were working on
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and made it a Pixel and I don't know if anyone knows for sure about these phones
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But clearly there it's not it doesn't have the design
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Either time or the engineering experience something about it isn't to the part of Apple and Samsung yet. I think they'll get there
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Maybe this is only their third round, you know, the iPhone 3gs wasn't great either the galaxy s3 wasn't great
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It's like it takes time to really kind of understand how this goes together
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But the 3xl will cost you $899 for the 64 gig and a thousand bucks for the 128
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So again more expensive than previous years they ship here in just a week or so
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Looking now October 18th is the date here in the US for most of them
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Some of them are pushed out to November 1st. I think that's the date
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In other countries as well, but pretty soon they'll be out in the world and I expect we'll see full reviews here
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You know in the next week or so, I have ordered one. Oh boy
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Two reasons I ordered a pixel 3 XL ship in November. We're gonna be in New York when this thing is available
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So like if I can pick one up in New York
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I will and just cancel my order because it's it's a it's like two weeks later. It ships outside of the US
01:32:08
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So it's two reasons that I bought this phone
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I was probably gonna get one anyway
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because I like to have an Android phone around like I always like to play around with the new version of Android so I can
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kind of compare it to iOS.
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And I don't like I really don't like the feeling of being out of touch,
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even though I don't spend a lot of time talking about Android.
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I just like to know what's out there.
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The other thing is.
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I hear a lot about the cameras and like I can see what the pictures
01:32:36
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that people take, and but I want to do my own comparison
01:32:40
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because I feel like I'm spending so much time now just kind of like
01:32:44
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saying the Pixel 2 camera is better because I hear people say it.
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who's I trust, like, and I'm not saying that they're wrong, but like, I want to see, like,
01:32:53
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what does it look like when I take a picture on the Pixel 3 compared to the 10S Max?
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And like, so I really have an idea of just how much better it is, you know, so that these are kind of like the two big reasons that I wanted to do this.
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And there's like a lot of little things, right?
01:33:10
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Like I want to see, like, how does Android deal with a notch compared to how iOS deals with a notch?
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and I'm intrigued by the hardware itself and stuff like that.
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So I have an original Pixel, which has lasted me for a couple of years now.
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And then I'll get this one and it'll probably last me for two or three more years
01:33:27
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until I want to upgrade.
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But there was enough in this one compared to the old one,
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where like the camera has jumped so significantly since the original Pixel
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that like I've become significantly intrigued again,
01:33:40
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because I find myself on a daily basis
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being absolutely astounded at how good the camera is on the XS Max.
01:33:47
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Right. Like I am continually blown away, like where I keep going, like,
01:33:51
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look how good this looks like it happens all the time.
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So how good will I feel about this camera if it if we expect it's going to be
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even further ahead?
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And I want to kind of see what that looks like myself, as opposed to just
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looking at sample images or listening to other people have to say.
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I'm the same way.
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I've had an Android phone for forever.
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I have a Nexus 5X right now.
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And I've held off because I was waiting on the Pixel 3.
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So I haven't ordered yet.
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But I will probably pick up the smaller one,
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just because it's not going to be a primary phone for me,
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and spend some time with it.
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For all the same reasons you said,
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I need to be up on it for work.
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I like having a phone--
01:34:32
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You have way more reason than I do, right?
01:34:34
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Like Download talks about this stuff extensively.
01:34:38
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So I need to do that.
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And so I will order a smaller one here
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probably in a couple weeks.
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I'm gonna let the dust settle a little bit,
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make sure there's nothing crazy wrong.
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They've had some quality issues in the past
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with early phones.
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But yeah, I think it's exciting.
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I think this is an important phone in the world
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because it can serve as a, you know,
01:35:00
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it is a flagship phone, but it's not like Samsung
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holds that title in the Android world
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and other brands are even ahead of Google.
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but I think it's important that Google has a phone
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so they can set the example of what an Android phone can be.
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And for, you know, this is an enthusiast device.
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They're not gonna sell in the numbers of the iPhone
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or the Galaxy phones do.
01:35:21
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But for Android enthusiasts who want a really pure version,
01:35:25
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you know, they've been limited to things
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like the OnePlus series or, you know,
01:35:30
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other phones sort of in that range.
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And if you want something nicer than that,
01:35:34
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but you want a clean experience,
01:35:36
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want Google's take on Android, then this is the phone that you buy. And I think if you're
01:35:40
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in that camp, this is a great upgrade if you're coming from an original Pixel or a Nexus 6P
01:35:45
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or something. Federico, how many are you going to buy?
01:35:49
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Five each year. Wow. Just hand them out to all your friends and family.
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No, I'm not going to buy any of these. I don't think I, I just don't want to. Like when I
01:36:03
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want to play with Android. I like to be informed so I'm gonna watch videos and
01:36:08
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I'm gonna watch reviews. I just don't want to spend money on a phone that I'm
01:36:12
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that I'm gonna keep in a drawer just to check out every once in a while. So yeah
01:36:17
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I think it's it. Which is the actual sensible thing to do. I mean I totally got it
01:36:24
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like... No it is like because I will use it for a period of time and then the
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majority of time it will sit on a shelf. Like it is way more sensible to not do
01:36:33
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it but there is a part of me that just wants it because it's a cool new toy and
01:36:37
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there's a part of me that does genuinely believe that I will get value from it so
01:36:43
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but then you'll hear me and Steven talk about it and then that's all you need
01:36:46
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you know you can be like the wonderful connected listeners who get their
01:36:50
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information from us yeah I can say my friends are saying that you know I can
01:36:54
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say sources tell me that the pixel takes good photos and sources is Myke and
01:37:00
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Stephen. Sorry that I just blew your cover. You're my source. Yeah, it's fine.
01:37:06
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All right, so if you want to find show notes this week of stuff we talked about
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So, you know, like and subscribe, as the kids say.
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I think that's it, so until next week gentlemen,
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say goodbye.
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- Adios, that's you.