216: The Honking Powers the Vehicles
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- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 216.
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And if you celebrate Halloween, I guess, happy Halloween.
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Our show this week is brought to you by Pingdom,
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Linode, and PayPal.
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I'm your host, Stephen Hackett.
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I am joined by both of my co-hosts.
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I have Myke Hurley here.
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Hello, Myke.
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Quora tells me that Canadians say, "Hey, how's it?"
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So, "Hey, how's it?"
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I'm in Canada right now. - How's it?
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- It. - How's it?
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Okay. - How's it?
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- And we have freshly off an airplane, Federico Vittucci.
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- Hello, people of the internet.
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I'm back in Rome and I'm sort of jet-lagged,
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but also I feel pretty good I can do the show.
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I'm excited to do the show.
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I'm happy to be here with you two.
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The basic underpinnings of this episode say it should be a disaster, right? I'm on a hotel
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wifi in a hotel in Canada. Federico just got off a plane having been in New York for 36
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hours. It feels like they said it couldn't be done, but we're going to have a great show.
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It doesn't matter, because we're back together again.
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You set a bar now that we have to hit in this episode.
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I don't think it'll be very difficult.
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- I don't think so either.
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- I think we should do it.
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- BS, we are slowly working our way back to normal
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last week's episode.
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Was live in New York, Federico you missed that,
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but Marco Armit joined us in your stead.
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And again, a big thanks to Marco for joining us.
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And if you came out to the live connected
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or the live upgrade we had in Chicago, thank you so much.
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It's always fun to get out and meet people.
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It's why we do the live shows.
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And it was just a really fun week.
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And if you're a Relay FM member, like four seconds ago,
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I sent the newsletter and we sort of did a tour recap in there.
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You can see some pictures and hear more about our week.
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So we plan on doing more of this.
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We're already kind of talking about some plans for 2019.
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So if you didn't see us this time out on the road, hopefully we can meet in the future.
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Catch us next time.
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Come to WWDC.
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Yes, we will be there.
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And we'll be in some other cities probably sometime next year.
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Time will tell.
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We introduced Marco as Federico's American cousin, but I see a tweet now that makes that
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more confusing.
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What am I looking at, Federico?
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This is a picture of the person we had join us last time.
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What is your cousin's name, by the way?
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Marcus, because he's of ancient Roman origin.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Marcus Armenti is his real name.
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And he was at the event yesterday actually, my cousin Marcus was at the event.
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He's really like shot to prominence, just one podcast appearance and now he's getting
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invited to Apple events.
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He opened his blog, marcus.org, recently.
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And you know, first blog post that he had got invited to an Apple event, it was a really
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impressive, impressive career path, honestly, for Marcus. He was there, we had
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a good time, yeah. Yeah, I complimented him on the on the podcast, you know, being a
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first-time guest, I think he did a good job. I think so too.
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Mm-hmm. During the live show, I shared some unhappiness with the dark theme in
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Mojave, and one of its sort of frustrations, for me at least, is that I
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I can't use the light theme with a dark menu bar and dock.
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And so I'd asked the audience,
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if you've come across a way to do this,
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please let me go.
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And Connected Listener, John, emailed me and said,
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hey, there's this stuff you can do in the terminal,
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which Myke is very comfortable with,
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to make this happen.
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So you can go in here and you basically set a little,
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set a preference, a default to right type thing.
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- Is it pseudo, kill all something?
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- Kill all dock.
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"Pseudo kill all light."
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"Pseudo turn off the lights."
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"Pseudo kill all light."
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"Pseudo kill all happiness."
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I think you need a hyphen in there, so it's "Pseudo hyphen kill all light."
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You know what?
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I forgot the tilde.
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That's the problem.
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I knew it was going to get me.
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Backslash, backslash, kill all duck.
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I think that's basically it.
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So just type that directly into your terminal and it'll be fine.
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There'll be a link to this.
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What's the one that erases everything?
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Isn't there like some well-known command that just like destroys everything?
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"Suit or die."
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It's the command.
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It's like the Four Horsemen type dealio, just for the Macintosh.
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I have not had the opportunity to try this, so I admit that I'm passing this along without
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having experienced what it actually does, but my understanding is that it will let you
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do the light appearance but with the dark doc and minibar, which I prefer. So go check
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that out. That'll be in the show notes. Federico, where are show notes this week?
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Somewhere. They're somewhere.
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He has no idea what episode number this is.
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They're on relay.fm/connected/216 because that would be the episode number.
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I could have typed any number into the document and he would have read it. Episode 4200.
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I have a basic understanding of our position in the number of shows. I know that it's after
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200, but before 250. So any number there could work in theory.
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But it's 216.
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We were recently passed by upgrade in episode numbers because we take the week between Christmas
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and New Year's off and Jason does not.
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Up and upgrade never sleeps. That's the problem.
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And neither does Federico, apparently.
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Federico, what did you think of New York City?
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I have some thoughts.
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So I've only seen Brooklyn.
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I'm afraid, of course, I didn't have time.
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I really am pleased.
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I think that is the best for you.
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I don't know if you could have handled Manhattan.
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Stephen did not like it.
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I don't think you would like it.
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So, okay, so let me go ahead.
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New York is very cold.
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morning of the event. This isn't a general statement. It does get warm there too. Just
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so you know, I don't want you to think that it's just like an arctic wasteland. At this
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time of the year, on the 30th of October, it was very cold compared to the 30th of October
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in Rome. It was like 10 degrees Celsius, less than Rome. And I don't want to say that I
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was freezing, but it was very cold. It's been cold. It's been cold for sure. It was cold
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So something that I noticed immediately is that people, I think,
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traffic in Rome gets a bad rap. People in New York, they waited the drive,
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they're basically honking all the time.
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It's effectively like the honking powers the vehicles.
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I don't understand it.
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Like the first five minutes I was thinking, well, maybe there's some problem.
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There's, I don't know, like an accident ahead or somebody driving in a funny way and everybody's
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honking at this person or something. But then I realized, no, everybody does it all the
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time. And it's really like, it makes you nervous because you always fear that something's about
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to happen. And so I asked and a few people told me that it used to be worse, like in
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the late 80s or something. And I don't know if this is true or not, but somebody, I think
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Casey maybe told me that regulations were passed so that people would hunk less, like
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there's fines or something if you hunk without an actual reason. Still, even with these regulations,
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if they exist, I'm not sure, people hunk all the time. And everybody like... It feels
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like there's road work everywhere and it's quite dirty, at least the area of Brooklyn
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where I was. People honking all the time and everybody seems very nervous and constantly
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in a hurry. Like, I didn't get any chill vibes from Brooklyn.
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Yeah, see that's funny because Brooklyn is the chill area.
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Okay, so I can only imagine how Manhattan is gonna be.
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I'm happy that you did not go to Manhattan on your own.
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I don't think that you would like it without someone that could like show you around and
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show you why it's a cool place.
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I would probably create a horror attack by myself.
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I'm happy that you were in Brooklyn.
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I think that that was for the best.
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So yeah, my impression- Did you eat any emoji?
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Did you see any?
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Did you like gobble on any emoji while you were there?
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Like munch munch munch?
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No, no, nothing.
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nothing. I brought food supplies with me because I knew that the evening that I arrived, we
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had a meetup with Jason scheduled at seven. And I knew that I didn't want to go grab something
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for dinner by myself in Brooklyn. And so I just brought some snacks with me. And the
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following day I had the apple breakfast. I had a breakfast burrito, which was surprisingly
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good, like a mini burrito for breakfast, that it was fine, really.
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No, it was good. This just continues your love affair with Mexican food.
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Yes, and Apple had set up, I think, a taqueria in front of the opera house.
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Yes, Jason was telling me about this. They basically just hired out a Mexican restaurant
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for the day. Yes, and it was very nice. It was very nice.
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I had a taco, I think huevos con carne. It was very good.
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Yeah, it was very good
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So I didn't have any bagels didn't have any New York pizza and then at lunch
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I was hanging with Casey and we just found a Shake Shack nearby and we just ate a burger
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But I didn't get the shake. I didn't get the shake. That's okay. It's okay
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The shakes are good. I think the burgers are the best part of Shake Shack. Oh, yeah, it was it was really delicious
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Well, you did you did at least one New York thing you ate shake. That's a New York thing
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Yeah, there is a literal like shack which was the first Shake Shack in I think Washington Square Park
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Which is still there. So that is a New York native meal. So you did that at least
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Okay. I want to show you Manhattan one day one day we're gonna do it. I want you to see it
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Stephen didn't like it, but and I don't think you'll like it, but I still want to show you it anyway
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I feel like I need to be in an extremely relaxed mood
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if I were to visit Manhattan. Like, I didn't help that I was in a hurry, tired,
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doing this crazy thing of 36 hours by myself.
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Yes, that was the problem. Here's the thing though, right, there's a difference between you and Stephen though,
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is you're used to Rome, like the center of Rome, and I stand by that the center of Rome feels more busy than Manhattan does.
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I think it feels busy in a different way though, I feel like...
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It's because there's no space to walk or drive in Rome, and there is space in New York, and that's the difference.
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Judging from the pictures that I've seen, I think, because I know myself, I think all
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the skyscrapers and the tall buildings kind of make me nervous and anxious.
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They like trap you in?
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Whereas the monuments and the fountains and the ancient stuff in Rome.
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They're all falling down, you can see through them.
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I think it makes, like, there's a combination of crazy traffic, but also this nostalgia,
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beauty at the center of Rome that sort of counterbalances the traffic and the
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messiness of people. I don't know what I'm gonna feel in Manhattan with the tall
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buildings and the honking and the taxis and all the advertisements.
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Like, I feel like, you know, those billboards with the animated graphics
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and pictures everywhere. I don't know how I'm gonna react to that, but I
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but I want to see it someday.
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- Steven, what is your review of Manhattan?
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- Thumbs down.
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- I mean, I shared it with you when we were there.
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It's just way too busy for me.
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And I understand it's like, that is the,
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there are people who thrive on that,
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and I can see that and I can understand it,
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but it's just not for me.
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I mean, I'm a homebody, I live in a pretty small city.
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Like, it's just really different.
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And you know, I didn't, like in London,
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London is busy and crazy too,
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but Manhattan just feels like that,
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like in an aggressive way that I didn't anticipate.
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I had a nice time, we did a bunch of sightseeing,
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we had the show, like I enjoyed my time there,
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but it's not a place that I would go
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like on vacation or anything.
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- So I wanna balance this out,
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just to say that I absolutely adore New York.
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I love Manhattan.
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It feels like home to me when I'm there,
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and I would move to Manhattan and or New York
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in a home. Oh my God. Oh my God.
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What can I say? I love it. I love it there.
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It's the one city in the world other than London that I feel like I understand.
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Like I can just walk out into the street at any time a day and just like make it work.
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Like it's great. I love it.
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Everything is just a block away.
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There's always something just it's great.
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I love I absolutely love Manhattan. I love New York.
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So there is our balance for this episode.
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And we should I mean, honestly, we should probably
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just talk about this for the next 90 minutes because I think it's interesting,
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but probably people were here to hear us talk about new Macs and iPads.
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So we should probably get to that, right?
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I would expect. Should we do that?
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Okay, so we're going to dive into products. This was all about
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products, except for the weird part about the Apple store in the middle. Before we do that,
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I wanted to ask you guys something. I haven't watched the keynote a second time. We're recording
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early today and normally if we do this I try to slice in like a second viewing but it seems
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like Tim Cook was just very excited about everything like he had way too much coffee
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like here's the thing I think Tim really enjoyed the cheering and this is not a thing that
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I understand it right but like I think the crowd and you can attest to this Federico
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seemed very excited for the entire time.
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There were a lot of Apple Store employees, I think, with the blue t-shirts.
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And Tim was constantly looking up because there was like a second level, sort of a balcony-type
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setup in the theater.
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And there were a lot of employees there.
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And so I think he really enjoyed the cheering that was going on.
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So I think that he was like feeding on that, I think.
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It's always strange to me, like, this is a press event.
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And that's how I think about it, because like our friends in the press are there.
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It does seem like Apple has employees, they have retail employees, you know, at least
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there yesterday.
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And so the cheering was sort of distracting, honestly.
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And like I find it a little off-putting because it's like this is a press event.
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Press most of the time aren't cheering for things.
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They're there to work.
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It's just sort of a surreal thing for me.
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But I don't know.
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Maybe I'm old.
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Federico, did you cheer anything?
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I, yes, I did for the iPad Pro.
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for Lana DeRay because I love her. And so she's awesome. And I was really happy that
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I also got a free musical performance out of the event, which was very nice.
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I thought we'd moved past the age of musical performances. There hasn't been one in a long
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time. Yeah, me too.
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But I guess the venue that they were in kind of demanded it, you know, like they were in
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like an opera house, like, come on, you've got to have some you're in the Brooklyn Academy
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of Music. You kind of got to do it. And I think it's cool that they did.
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We are going to talk about some Mac products today.
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We're going to go in the order Apple went in.
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That means starting with the MacBook Air.
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There have been lots of conversation about the low end of the Mac lineup and there's
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going to be a new consumer laptop and they didn't really do that.
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They took the MacBook Air and made it new again.
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Real quickly, it is the same wedge design but in a smaller package because it has smaller
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thick silver aluminum bezels are gone. The air, of course, the highlight here is a
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Retina display. It is a little bit less bright than the MacBook Pro. There's no
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P3, so none of that wide color gamut stuff. No true tone, but it's
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Retina. Honestly that's... Oh I didn't know it didn't have the wide color. It does not.
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Huh, okay. Which is fine. It's still better... It kind of tricked me because...
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I'm sure that's why they did it. Not to trick, but just to make... because I think they said
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something like 40% more color or something. Yeah, they did say more color, yeah.
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Yeah, but not all the color to get to the wide color gamut. Which again, I think is
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fine. Like, totally fine. Two Thunderbolt 3 ports, the SD card slot and USB-A ports have
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been banished. It has Touch ID without a touch bar, which may be the most interesting thing
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to me on this computer. Let me ask you a question, because I'm sure you've already mined the
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Yes. That is where the power button used to be and the key is blank so how do you
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turn this laptop on? You push it, that button pushes down, same as the Touchbar
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machines. It's, I was gonna say, I was about to say it's weird that they didn't print
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anything on it, I'm assuming they can't, I bet they can't print on it, right? So that
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Touch ID thing is like you pried it off my Touchbar MacBook Pro and stuck it on
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a MacBook Air, it looks the same, it acts the same. Yeah. So is on the Touch ID one
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that's also the power button, it's just a blank key. Yes. It actually is a button it depresses
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to do the power stuff so it doesn't look like it would but it does it does press
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down that's a good question because like which means that like every time someone
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uses touch ID they accidentally press the button I'm sure that you know you
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say you just rest your finger on it like how strong are your index finger muscles
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what are you doing? Very. You wouldn't even believe I have no control over them. Very
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strong. It has the t2 chip that we saw in the iMac Pro and the MacBook Pro and
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And it's doing all of its T2 type stuff.
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So it's doing the secure boot process stuff.
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It is managing the SSDs.
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It is keeping your FaceTime camera safe.
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This does mean that this has super fast SSD performance.
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That seems to be kind of where Apple's going.
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Marco said that on last week's Connected.
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That would make him happy if all Macs
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moved to the T2 sort of world,
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and it seems like that's happening.
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- Yeah, if this one got it, they're all gonna get it.
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Right, 'cause this is-- - Yes, the bottom of the line.
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in theory. And what's pretty cool is Apple is making the cases for the Retina MacBook
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Air out of aluminum that is salvaged during the construction process of the iPad Pro.
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You said something very hurtful and upgrade yesterday that I need to address. I just think
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it's hilarious. Okay, go on. You, I believe, I don't have the quote in front of me, but
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said it was the perfect metaphor that Macs were being built out of the
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shavings of iOS devices. I think it is a beautiful
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metaphor that says absolutely everything you need to know about the
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products that Apple sells. Like they sell so many more iOS devices they are
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literally making... It's just the iPad. That's what they said for now.
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They sell so many more iPads. They just mentioned it. My expectation is it's
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also iPhones but like they just haven't spoken about it because they just said
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that like oh and during because they didn't talk about the iPhone like they
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can't be selling that many of this iPad or making of that many of this iPad that
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they could use just the sharings of this iPad to make all these maxes they're
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all coming out at the same time like how could they have done that right? Maybe
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they've been like sweeping up for a while. I expect it's like it is all
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aluminium that is being used in iOS devices, it's just being collected up.
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I'm sure it is. I just wanted to share my...
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It is funny to me. I'm sorry, like it's funny, right? Like it is funny, it's kind of just like, it's a very cool thing that they're doing,
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but it's like that it shows the misbalance of iOS devices to Max now.
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That iOS devices are so much smaller than Max, but they make so many of them
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disproportionately, that they can use the literal shavings to make the bodies of
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of the other products. It's funny to me.
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It's super cool though, right? Like they're not having...
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It's amazing! It's amazing. Like, this is a real step forward. Like, okay, it was either
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this or you had to stop using aluminium, like in the long run, right? Because it was bad
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for the environment. This is awesome. I mean, of course the problem is they're still doing
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it for the iPhones, but they're at least having some benefit out of the process, that they're
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able to make other products out of recycled aluminium. I hope that at some point that
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they can try and push some of this into the iPhone line as well so they become
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partly recycled right like you make one and then you use the shavings of that
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one for the next one like that kind of thing you know I would hope that they
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can try and make this more of like a sustaining thing going into the future
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it'd be cool and it seems like you would never know this like in your mind you
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may be picturing like those bouncy balls that they make out of recycled rubber so
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it's like all different color bouncy ball stuff together right like that's
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That's what I would love though. I would absolutely love to have a MacBook made out of the shavings
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of iPhone XR aluminum.
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That would look crazy.
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How cool would that look? It would look incredible.
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It would look like your iOS home screen.
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It would. No, my home screen is pretty chill right now. At least the photo anyway.
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I believe Greg called it unicorn vomit once on Cortex.
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I think it was clown vomit.
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Clown vomit.
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But yeah, one or the other.
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Unicorn Ada clown and out came your home screen. Anyways, so this is by all
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appearances a new MacBook Air. It's the design that people liked so much. Oh Federico, did you see one? I saw one. I
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honestly didn't even bother to touch it.
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I took a picture of it. Looked, it looked alright.
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But I went to check out the Mac Mini because I was more interested in that. We'll talk about that in a bit.
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- Yeah, so it's 2.75 pounds, which is like,
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getting closer and closer to MacBook territory,
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which we could talk about the relationship
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between these machines.
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Pricing, just briefly, it starts at $1,199
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for a dual core i5.
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You can go up to 16 gigabytes of RAM
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and up to 1.5 terabytes with, again, all SSD storage.
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There's been some conversation around the CPU.
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So this is a 1.6 gigahertz core i5, what they call it.
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It's dual core.
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It turbos up to 3.6 gigahertz.
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- Turbo. - Turbo.
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It seems like this is a processor
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that is more closely related
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to what is in the 12 inch MacBook
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than what was in the old Air
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and what is currently in the two port MacBook Pro,
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which I would have bet money would have gone away
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after this machine came out,
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but it seems like this MacBook Air is going to be closer
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to the MacBook in terms of performance.
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I don't wanna go too far into this
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because these things have not been reviewed
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by people we trust.
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They have not been benchmarked by people we trust.
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The clock speed says it should be noticeably faster
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than the 12 inch MacBook,
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but it's not going to be as flexible of a machine,
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performance-wise, as the old MacBook Air was in its day.
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And so I think some people are upset about that.
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I think that's understandable.
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I wanna hold judgment, I wrote this this morning on 5/12,
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I wanna reserve judgment until we see
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what this machine is like in the real world.
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You know, you're getting two Thunderbolt ports,
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you're getting 12-hour battery life,
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it's in a fanless design.
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This seems like it could be a really great
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consumer notebook and
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That it's fine if it can't do Final Cut like this is not what this machine is for so I think people who are like
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Really upset about this maybe need to take a breath
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Let's see how it actually performs and then we can talk about it when we know more I
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don't think that it's fine if it can't do Final Cut like
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The MacBook Air was such an important machine for me and it was where I started doing all of my stuff, right?
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Like I think it would be a shame if it can't handle that stuff better than the MacBook can I?
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Think it would be a shame because it's more expensive than the MacBook right? Like it feels like it fits in the line
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I think I think it would be a shame honestly like but but at the same time
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I don't really have a dog in this fight. I think that this looks like a mighty fine computer for most people
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And I think that for most instances it would be really great, right? Like it looks really cool, right?
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Like it's got a lot of cool stuff in it, especially Touch ID I think is awesome
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But I think it would be a shame if it if it handles the pro apps as bad as the MacBook does because it's not good
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The MacBook is not good for that one difference though between now and then is that you can get a MacBook Pro
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Higher wattage CPU which means it can run hotter and run hotter longer
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for 100 more dollars.
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So like in the day when you were starting out,
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to go from a MacBook Air to a MacBook Pro was--
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- Would have been a lot more money, yeah.
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- At least more than $100.
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I still feel like Apple didn't really clear up
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their product line.
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Like if anything, it's more confusing now.
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- So I have a tweet here from a guy called Jamie West,
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sent it to you.
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This is the current like offerings from Apple.
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MacBook, MacBook Air previous generation, current generation MacBook Air, MacBook Pro
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13 inch without touch bar, MacBook Pro 13 inch and MacBook Pro 15 inch.
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And Jamie asked you Steven, is this the most laptops Apple has ever offered at one time?
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It's pretty close.
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So like in the G4 days you had the 12 and 14 inch iBook.
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Then you had the 12, 15 and 17 inch PowerBook.
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This is the most, as far as I can think of, that we've had.
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For a while, Apple had the MacBook Air and the MacBook
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and then the MacBook Pros,
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but there were fewer size options.
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So it is confusing.
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The thing I always talk about is if you have $1,100, $1,200
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and you walk into a store, what do you buy?
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That's more confusing now.
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And what I was really hoping for
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is that there'd be a really clear answer.
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and say, "Hey, if you're going off to college,
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"your kid's going off to school, whatever,
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"you just need a notebook, what do you buy?
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"Like, what Mac do you buy?"
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I really want the MacBook Air today,
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this new MacBook Air, to be the default answer.
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I think it probably still will be,
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again, depending on where those benchmarks end up.
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If this thing is only 5% faster than the MacBook,
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then like, what's the MacBook doing?
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The MacBook has one fewer port, the port is less useful,
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It only weighs what, like .7 pounds less?
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Like, why does that machine exist?
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Why isn't this the thin end light?
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So, they're still just like, the waters are still muddy.
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But I'm glad this machine is here because it does,
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I think it does show that Apple is paying attention
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to this market.
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I just think that they haven't quite gotten all the way
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where I think a lot of us would like for them to be.
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- I think the price is the hardest part though.
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Like it coming in at $1,200 I think is difficult.
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I think that's the difficult thing.
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And I think that it's not going to help the people
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that didn't know what to do before.
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Like, you know, this, and I think this is why
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the existing MacBook Air still exists at $999
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because people want that price point
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and this machine should have replaced the 999,
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but it hasn't.
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And I can see why.
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like the technology says it's a mate, you know,
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I can see why it's there.
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But I really feel like that price point
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should have been the thing that they were trying to hit first.
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- And I guess you could leave things out
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like the T2 and the Touch ID,
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and my guess is then you have a $999 laptop in Apple land.
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But if Apple is going to take the time
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to revise this notebook,
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and they didn't put this stuff in,
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then like, then it's behind again,
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in only a couple of years.
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- Sure, sure.
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- So today where we are, my hope moving forward is
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that in the next year or 18 months,
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Apple can bring the price of the Air down
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even to like $1,099, like even $100 less
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is a big deal in this market,
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and then kill the $999 MacBook Air.
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Because it's a $200 gap, I understand why it's still there,
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but if they can drop it a hundred bucks,
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get rid of the old one, that's a better situation
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than where we are now, I think.
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- Yep, I agree.
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This is a good machine, I just think that there are
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questions about this machine,
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which there isn't for any of the other stuff, really.
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I think everything else that they announced
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was pretty much at the home run, but not this one.
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- So yeah. - It's close.
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- You know, if I had someone in my life
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looking for a notebook,
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I think this is what I would tell them,
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because it seems to be the best balance
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between performance and size.
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Again, not knowing the full benchmark story.
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But I would definitely,
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if someone's looking at a 12 inch MacBook or this,
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I 100% would recommend this.
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It's not that much bigger.
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You get two ports, it will be faster,
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and the disk access will be way faster than on the MacBook.
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To me, increasingly, the more I think about this,
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I just don't know why the MacBook is still around.
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I've really, at its price point and its performance, I just don't quite get it.
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Yeah this was my only takeaway from this segment of the event. Like, I don't
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understand what's the role of the MacBook at this point. It seems like this
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is the basic computer that, unless you want to buy a MacBook Pro, this is
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the one you should get. I don't understand why you would be interested
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in the MacBook at this point. It sort of feels like a repeat of the situation
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that used to be like years ago, we used to have the MacBook and the MacBook Air,
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like the previous generation MacBook.
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And then Apple simplified the product line, if I'm not mistaken.
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And we only had the MacBook Air, which was the, you know, the one that I bought
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and that I used for many, many years, the 2011 version.
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The greatest Mac that Apple's ever made.
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It's just so incredible, right?
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Like, I love that computer.
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I love that computer. It was great.
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And then they reintroduced the MacBook in 2015.
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And it feels like we're hitting that point again
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of over a complicated product line
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and we need to bring back simplification.
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It's just confusing why we have two similar computers
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and one is better now, but the other is still around.
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I don't get it.
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So I'm not in the market for a MacBook Air,
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but it looks like a fine computer.
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I'm interested if only from a conceptual standpoint in the benchmarks, because I think Myke makes
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a great point about, you know, even if this is your, the computer that you want to start
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with and you're going off to college, I think it's important that you're able to run these
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pro apps for, you know, creative uses.
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Because I can relate to the idea of first Mac, first time I'm starting to play with
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something creative that maybe in the future could become my job, maybe.
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So yeah, we'll see what the benchmarks are like.
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And it really doesn't need to run them well,
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but it needs to be able to do things like the MacBook comp,
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which is like if I'm rendering in Final Cut
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and plugged in the battery drains.
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Like that was a problem that I had with the MacBook.
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I understand what's going on here,
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but that shouldn't be happening.
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So we'll see, I guess.
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But we should talk about happier things.
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Alright it's here, it's real, the Mac Mini is alive.
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Can't believe it.
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Even though I knew it was going to happen, I can't believe that it's happened.
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It's great, they had a great video, they were making fun of it which I enjoyed right?
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The video was amazing.
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So Federico, I think we should start with you.
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How excited are you about this machine?
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Because I know, I don't know if we've mentioned,
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we did mention this on the show that like,
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you need a new computer
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and you were kind of waiting for this.
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Yes. I'm very excited.
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I just discussed this with Silvia and we're gonna do it.
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I'm going to buy a Mac Mini
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for a variety of reasons.
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So, earlier this year, our Synology home server died a very ugly death, and we realized that
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we, you know, just a few weeks were needed to realize that we needed to find an alternative
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to our home server because we really like using Plex and sort of having a backup space
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for all of our stuff, essentially.
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Second factor, I realized that I don't really need a portable Mac computer myself, because
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when I'm at home and I'm doing podcasts, I could use a desktop Mac.
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And if I'm traveling, I can just use Sylvia's MacBook Pro.
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So there's really no need for me to have a portable MacBook.
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We're in the process of buying new furniture and changing a few things in our apartment,
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because we wanted to try something new, you know, try a different layout, buy a bunch
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of new stuff. And one of my wishes was I want to get a new desk. I want to get, like, a
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slightly bigger desk and I want to have, like, a different setup, more, you know, more elegant
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cable management, for example. I would like to have, ideally, a bigger display. And so
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we sort of, uh, I proposed the idea of what if I, what if Apple announces on Mac Mini
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this was like the summer. I was talking to Silvio and I was like "what if Apple announces Mac Mini?"
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and I could probably end up with a new desk, a new 4K display and a Mac Mini and everything would
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be nice and neat and you know cable management downright and I could sell my MacBook Pro.
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And so I came into this event hoping that Apple would actually also announce their own display,
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but Apple is not doing that which is fine I'm gonna buy a display from somebody else so
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I'm gonna buy a Mac Mini. I'm still not sure what configuration I want to get.
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Ideally I would like to future-proof this machine as much as possible.
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I think you're gonna have to, right?
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So we can talk about that.
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I don't think I'm gonna update this again very soon.
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I'm in the market for 4K or 5K display recommendations.
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Ideally I wouldn't want to get the LG one,
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because I think it looks really ugly with the black plastic around it.
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I don't think you're gonna find anything nicer.
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I know, but if anybody has recommendations for a nice 4K or 5K display that looks nicer
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than the LG one...
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I want you, if you're starting to look for like decent stuff in the 4K, 5K range, they
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end up becoming gaming monitors, which have all kinds of garishness.
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Nah, there's plenty of Dell stuff out there.
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It's way better than it used to be.
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Oh yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.
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So, my requirements are, if it's a gaming monitor and it supports the high refresh rates,
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that's fine, I actually kind of like that.
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It needs to work with the Mac Mini of course, and it also needs to work with the new iPad Pros.
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So I would like to have a single display that I can use with my Mac Mini and I can use with my iPad Pro.
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So that was the dream and we're gonna do it.
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So I'm really happy that there's a new Mac Mini because it means I can simplify and I can actually rethink my entire desk setup with this new machine.
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So Steven, what is this Mac Mini?
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Well, it's for pros because it's Space Gray.
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Hey, I'm a pro.
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You are a pro.
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I do podcasting. Why would you lead your sentence with that? Like, well, it's for pros.
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Because I think that Apple saying Space Gray is for pros is stupid.
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But whatever. Well, I'm pro. You are a pro. Well, the Mac Mini comes, sorry, the MacBook
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Air comes in Space Gray too. Yeah, it's a pro as long as you just use pages and Keynote.
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You'll be fine. It's a professional web browsing machine. Chrome books, that's what we all
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want. No, we don't. Okay, so let's get into this. From the outside, this looks like the
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same Mac Mini we've known for a long time, but like we said, it's in Space Gray now.
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But inside, it's all new.
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Apple put the Mac Mini down, got a big ice cream scooper,
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scooped out all the guts, and put all new guts in.
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Which is exactly how hardware engineering works,
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I'm pretty sure.
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- Oh, it's like pumpkin carving.
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- Yeah. - Exactly.
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The cooling is all new, and we will soon see why.
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Every single Mac Mini is at least a quad-core CPU.
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So this was the big complaint in 2014,
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where they took my beloved quad-core Mac Mini,
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which I have at home and I'm replacing now.
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They got rid of it and made them all dual-core,
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which was a huge step backwards.
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They led the conversation with their all quad-core,
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but you can go up to a six-core i7 if you want to.
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Around back, we have four Thunderbolt 3 ports,
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two USB-A ports.
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Again, the T2 is present doing its T2 stuff.
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There's no SD card slot because that's gone now
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except for the iMac and iMac Pro.
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And because it's the T2 and this is a new modern Mac
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as I wished for last week, it is all SSD.
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No spinning disk, no fusion drive, all SSD.
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You can go up to, I believe, two terabytes of storage
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on these things now.
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- As far as the happy element goes,
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you got pretty much everything you wanted for this Mac Mini.
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- I did, and there's a couple things I wanna talk about,
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but I wanna lead my, like my opening statement
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on the Mac Mini is, this is great.
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Like this is the machine that I wanted
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to replace my home server with.
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This is a machine that if I was building a desktop
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for a family member, I would strongly look at this
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over the iMac, especially 'cause the iMac didn't get updated
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which we'll talk about in a little while.
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It's really great that they have seemed to listened
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to what people were using the Mac Mini for.
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So the old Mac Mini was $499 and it came from the idea,
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I still think the 2014 Mac Mini was still rooted
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in the idea that it's for switchers.
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And we've talked about this on the show a bunch.
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Switchers don't want a desktop.
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Switchers want to go buy a MacBook or a MacBook Air
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or a MacBook Pro.
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Again, that's confusing and that's why that's a problem.
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- Or an iPad.
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- Probably not an iPad.
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- Yep, definitely an iPad.
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- Desktop switchers are not.
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They still exist 'cause they're all emailing me right now,
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but on the whole, it's a much smaller market
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than it used to be.
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And what has happened to the Mac Mini
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is enthusiasts have looked at it and said,
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hey, I need a Mac for something.
00:43:13
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This thing's really small and quiet.
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I'll just buy one to stick in my office or under my TV
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or I'm gonna fill an entire rack of them with
00:43:21
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because I'm Mac Stadium and this is what we do for a living.
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It's such a versatile machine and Apple has created
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a new version of it that speaks to that versatility.
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So I've had this thing, we've talked about it before,
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where the iMac from that cheap one
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that I complained about last week in New York
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to the most expensive 5K, there's an iMac for everybody.
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If you want one, you can get one
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with just the specs you want.
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And the Mac Mini now falls into that as well.
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I have some concerns about the low end one,
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but the Mac Mini is now a much broader system
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than it's ever been.
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And I think that's a good thing
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because people use them for anything you can imagine.
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So that's all really good and that makes me happy.
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- Steven, can you explain to me what,
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This is gonna sound stupid, I'm sorry.
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What's the difference between Core i5 and Core i7?
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Is it just like the i7, it sounds bigger,
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so I assume it's faster?
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- It's two more, it's two more i's.
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So as you move up from, let's just talk about i5 and i7,
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depending on what exact CPU we're talking about,
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the clock speeds are higher,
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sometimes the core counts are higher,
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again, depending on which ones we're talking about,
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and things like the buses,
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maybe they may be able to work on a faster bus,
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They may have more built-in memory.
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So the processors are better as you move up the line.
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- I just sent you a screenshot of the setup
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that I would like to have.
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- Yeah, you bought the big boy there,
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if you're looking at that one.
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- I like that this Intel Core i7 has an Ottava Generazione.
00:44:56
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- Yeah, it's in Italian.
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I recognize the numbers.
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That's good.
00:45:01
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And the turbo boost are also faster as you move up.
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What's weird about the Mac Mini,
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To hit 799, they put in a quad-core i3,
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which doesn't turbo boost,
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so it doesn't ramp up its speed under load,
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which means day-to-day use of the i3 would be totally fine.
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If you're just buying a family computer,
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the i3 is more than enough.
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But if you want to do anything past that,
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it's worth at least going to the i5
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because you get the better speeds
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and the turbo boost period.
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So I went for the i5, Federico, you're looking at the i7.
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For what you wanna do, doing a Plex server
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and like transcoding stuff,
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I would definitely spend the money on the i7.
00:45:45
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Yeah, I think what you're looking at
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makes sense for what you wanna do.
00:45:50
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What's bananas is that you can spend $4,200 on a Mac mini.
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That's a six-core i7, 64 gigabytes of RAM,
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two terabyte SSD, 10 gig ethernet, like the iMac Pro.
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That is a lot of computer, but it has,
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like all Mac Minis, the integrated Intel graphics.
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You cannot buy a Mac Mini,
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you can't buy a Mac Mini with a discrete GPU.
00:46:19
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- Is that bad?
00:46:20
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- Struggled with this over the last,
00:46:22
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you know, I guess since yesterday,
00:46:23
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trying to understand where the Mac Mini fits
00:46:26
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in relation to the other Macs,
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especially when it comes to GPU performance.
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And where I've landed is the Mac Mini is,
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roughly speaking, the 13 inch MacBook Pro.
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So I have a 13 inch MacBook Pro,
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I have the fast processor in mind,
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I've got 16 gigs of RAM in it,
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I have a terabyte SSD,
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but it still just has integrated graphics.
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Now for what I do on that, it's totally fine,
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it's mostly audio editing.
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But if you wanna make a Mac Mini
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into a video editing station,
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and you want it to be as fast as you can get it,
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that will require buying an external GPU
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and connecting it via Thunderbolt.
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I don't love that.
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I wish that there would have been a Mac Mini
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with a better graphics option, at least as like a CTO,
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like hey, if you wanna spend all this money,
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you can add a real GPU.
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But I think I've softened on that over the last 24 hours,
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really realizing that the Mac Mini is a pro machine
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up to a certain point.
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So if you're doing 3D rendering,
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you're gonna buy an iMac Pro or next year a Mac Pro.
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The Mac Mini isn't for that type of Pro.
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But if you do what we do, which is like some automation,
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a bunch of audio processing, some video stuff,
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a loaded Mac Mini should totally get you through
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because the loaded 13-inch MacBook Pro
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can get you through that stuff too.
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And so while I would like to see a Mac Mini
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with a real GPU in it,
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A, eGPU stuff's better than ever.
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But B, I think it's fine, because I think they say
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it's a pro machine, but that doesn't mean
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it has to be for all pros, right?
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Like there's really not a computer,
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except maybe the iMac Pro, that is for every type
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of Mac user working in a professional setting.
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And I think I'm okay with it.
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Like I wasn't initially, but I think that it's fine.
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I think this is a great machine,
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and I think that people who need a Mac Mini
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have a lot to be thankful for today.
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Way more than they had to be thankful two days ago.
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And so yeah, Federica, you're looking at the i7 6-core.
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I bought the i5 because I don't use Plex.
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I'm not transcoding on mine.
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Mine is really a file server and does some network stuff.
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So I just kinda bought the middle of the road one
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'cause I'm gonna use it for, you know.
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My last one's a 2011, so I've gotten seven years out of it.
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I like to get seven years out of this one,
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so I just went middle of the road.
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And I think it's gonna be a huge upgrade for me
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and for anyone else who is using a Mac Mini at this point.
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- All right, very nice.
00:48:59
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So I'll wait until I actually have a new desk
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and understand how much space I have available.
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I will look into the, people in the chat room
00:49:10
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are saying the Dell UltraSharp could be an option.
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So I'll see which one I prefer.
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I think that before, I think in the month of November,
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I should be able to have my new setup in theory.
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So we'll see.
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- Yeah, that's gonna be exciting.
00:49:28
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Keep us posted on that.
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We'd like to see what you end up with.
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And the Mac Mini's so great because you can just
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tuck it under the display and it takes up very little space.
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And I know people were claiming for it to be smaller.
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I don't really care.
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In fact, one thing they did do is that the ports
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on the back, at least power and ethernet,
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line up with where they do on the old system.
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And so if you're like me and mine's underneath my TV,
00:49:52
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I'm just gonna unplug my old one
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and plug the new one in.
00:49:55
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I'm not gonna disassemble my entire TV situation
00:49:59
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to get to this thing.
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Or if you're a Mac Stadium and you have hundreds
00:50:04
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and hundreds or thousands of these things,
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you can be able to slot them in more easily
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without doing a lot of reconfiguration stuff,
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which is a nice thing that using the same chassis provides.
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So I'm glad that's the same.
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Myke, you've talked on and off about a Mac Mini.
00:50:20
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Is this enough to push you over the edge?
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this is something I am going to do, I just am not sure when, because what I want to do with it is
00:50:29
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like set up like a home server situation, which is more than just buying the machine, I need the time
00:50:34
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to do it. So this is like a project that I will undertake at some point in the near future I think,
00:50:40
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because it's like okay, I don't have a home server, there's a bunch of things I would want to do with one,
00:50:45
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so I need to kind of like get the machine, sit down, set it all up, like work out how I want to
00:50:51
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connect the thing? Do I want to connect it to the my iMac in some way so I can
00:50:56
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have like network attack storage? What do I want to do? And then I'm gonna
00:51:00
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work it out. I think we should talk about this at some point. Yes. We can help Myke
00:51:04
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understand what he wants to do with a with a home server and then I'll and
00:51:09
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then I'm probably gonna go for it. Cool. Yeah I'm happy to dive into that with
00:51:13
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you. Mine will be here next week. I ordered it yesterday so maybe I'll
00:51:18
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unbox it on the show next week. That's what people want to hear. Unboxing Mac Mini.
00:51:22
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Yeah, yeah. This just sounds really good. Real quickly before we move into iPads, I
00:51:27
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think we should mention that the MacBook Pro is going to be updated next month, air quotes,
00:51:36
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with an option to put the Vega Mobile Graphics chipset in it. So this is a derivative of
00:51:42
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what's in the iMac Pro. This has been shipping in a bunch of other notebooks. Apple's late
00:51:48
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to the game on this, but they say that the new graphic options will deliver 60% faster
00:51:53
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performance for video editing, 3D design, and rendering workloads.
00:51:58
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So I looked into this yesterday because I knew this chipset existed but I wasn't super
00:52:02
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familiar with it, and seeing some videos on YouTube and reading some articles, if you
00:52:06
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buy a MacBook Pro with this in it starting next month, it is going to be drastically
00:52:11
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faster for GPU-based tasks.
00:52:15
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I assume it's only gonna be in the 15.
00:52:17
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I couldn't find anything saying that for sure,
00:52:19
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but again, looking at what else is on the market,
00:52:21
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these things are big and hot,
00:52:22
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so they end up in 15-inch notebooks.
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I'm sure it'll hurt the battery life.
00:52:26
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But if you need a MacBook Pro as a video workstation,
00:52:30
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your life's getting ready to be a lot better
00:52:32
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if you buy one of these.
00:52:33
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So we'll keep an eye on this when they come out.
00:52:35
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I'm sure there'll be a review of it somewhere,
00:52:38
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but I just wanted to point that out,
00:52:40
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'cause it was buried in the MacBook Air press release,
00:52:43
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and now it's on the MacBook Pro page.
00:52:45
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but sort of a quieter story.
00:52:49
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And then there was no iMac,
00:52:50
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and the iMac,
00:52:51
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assumingly would use the same chips
00:52:53
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that are in the Mac Mini,
00:52:54
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or related chips where you have quad core and six core.
00:52:59
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We talked last week about what would make me happy
00:53:01
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with the iMac getting rid of the non-retina,
00:53:03
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getting rid of the spinning drives.
00:53:05
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This makes me feel good about the spinning drive going away,
00:53:07
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because assumingly the iMacs will all move
00:53:09
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to the T2 architecture as well.
00:53:11
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But they didn't make the cut this time.
00:53:14
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My guess is that they had a lot of stuff going on
00:53:17
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in the Mac team and they just didn't get these done in time.
00:53:21
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So maybe we'll see these as a press release at some point,
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probably after the new year.
00:53:25
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We had some people on Twitter asking,
00:53:27
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like hey, I've been in the market for an iMac,
00:53:29
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what do I do?
00:53:30
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The iMacs now are good.
00:53:33
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I would say if you're especially looking at the 5K
00:53:37
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and you can hold off,
00:53:39
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My guess is that they would be six core machines.
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My hope would be that they would have better cooling
00:53:46
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because even the Retina 5K iMac now can be loud.
00:53:51
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So if you can get a high-end iMac,
00:53:54
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and maybe wait, I don't normally say that,
00:53:56
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but I feel like the next revision could be a big deal.
00:53:59
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Now if you're looking at a 21 inch, a 4K,
00:54:02
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they'll be better, but I don't think they have
00:54:04
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as much ground to make up, so maybe if you need to do that,
00:54:07
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smaller one go for it but I think if you're in the market for a 5k iMac I
00:54:11
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would hold on until the new ones are out.
00:54:15
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Yeah it's interesting to me I haven't done this it's like how long is it gonna
00:54:19
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be this is there is a frustration now or so well now we have the next thing to to
00:54:25
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keep asking about it's like oh man why can't we just be chill on the Mac
00:54:29
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servers like where's the Mac Macs now like that's gonna be the next
00:54:32
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thing when we're four years away and there's no new iMac. That'd be fun. No?
00:54:37
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No. It'd be the opposite of fun.
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The main event. Everyone was waiting for it. I think it paid off. New iPads. These new
00:55:54
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iPads they're very exciting gentlemen I am I said this on upgrade I'm thinking
00:56:00
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about it and I think I mean it I am more excited for these iPads than I was for
00:56:05
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the iPhone 10 no because the iPad is the device I care about most anyway right
00:56:11
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it is how you know and I have wanted new hardware for a while especially on the
00:56:18
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larger size and they have effectively delivered in every thing that I was
00:56:26
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looking for and over delivered in certain places like for example face ID
00:56:30
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face ID working in all four orientations seems like magic to me I yes I was
00:56:36
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hoping at best that we would get two right and fearing that it would just be
00:56:40
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one yeah I saw it I saw it working upside down and it was just it just
00:56:47
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worked like nothing worked. So we're assuming that the difference is whatever's in the A12X
00:56:52
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to do this right? Because I mean that's my assumption. Why can't the iPhones do it? I
00:56:58
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think they said in the keynote it was a combination of making changes to the face ID sensors and
00:57:07
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the neural network. So it seems like it's hard, I mean that's all hardware I guess like
00:57:12
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and then the software that runs in the neural engine which is like not software but is software
00:57:16
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So it seems like this is more than just the processor.
00:57:21
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People say both things with the iPhone.
00:57:26
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I wish it was just more forgiving,
00:57:27
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so if you were laying down and the phone's upright,
00:57:29
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it would work.
00:57:30
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- Yeah, that's all I want.
00:57:31
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I don't need to use my iPhone upside down.
00:57:33
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- But it's a must on the iPad,
00:57:36
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and so I'm glad they've gotten it right.
00:57:38
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- Yeah, it would have been a disaster, right?
00:57:40
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Because neither orientation would have been right.
00:57:45
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like there would have been problems with either.
00:57:47
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So I'm super excited that it's all of them.
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The new design is really exciting.
00:57:53
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I love the flat edges.
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It looks so good to me.
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It's funny because like this was the design
00:57:59
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that wouldn't go away, right?
00:58:01
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Like on the iPhone, right?
00:58:03
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Which started with the four
00:58:04
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and went all the way up to the SE.
00:58:07
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And still is there, right?
00:58:08
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With like the chamfered edges and the flat edges.
00:58:10
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But there's just something about on the iPad
00:58:12
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that looks really freaking good.
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and I'm very excited about it.
00:58:16
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Federico, how does it feel to hold though?
00:58:18
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- I was thinking about this, about the design.
00:58:24
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I was kind of worried and I wrote this in my--
00:58:26
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- I know, look at you, you're so cool,
00:58:28
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your first impressions.
00:58:29
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Like you're like a pro blogger now.
00:58:32
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Well, something like that.
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I was concerned that it was gonna look and feel chunky
00:58:44
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But in practice, it's really nice.
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I feel like the flat edges, they contribute
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to increasing the grip of the device,
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which is important when you have bezels so small.
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I feel like it's easier to hold.
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And also it's got this, I was thinking about the look.
00:59:05
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It's got this look that is a mix of like
00:59:07
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the iPhone 4 aesthetic, but also this kind of
00:59:11
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70s type retro look. It reminds me of an old Sony product. Why is that? Almost like it's
00:59:18
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got the Sony aesthetic. I don't know, but I was thinking about it like why do you why
00:59:23
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do I associate this look not just with the iPhone 4, but also maybe it's the rounded
00:59:28
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edges of the screen. And okay, go for it. Hold on. Hold on. I looked into it. And I
00:59:35
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And I remembered that when Apple went to trial against Samsung, you remember that a bunch
00:59:44
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of iPhone prototypes came out?
00:59:47
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One of them was called the Joni iPhone.
00:59:50
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Joni as a play on Sony, but also Joni Ive.
00:59:55
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So the Joni prototype, it was made to resemble old Sony electronic, like an old Sony gadget
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from the 70s or the 80s.
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And it's got that square look, that flat edge and the curve and the camera bump.
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And that is why I it reminds me of a Sony product of a golden age.
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My word. Look at the Joni iPhone.
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Yeah. So so that's why.
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And the speaker grill and the cutouts, like it's very reminiscent of that,
01:00:26
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which is kind of funny to think about our Apple prototypes, all of these designs.
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and eventually they sort of come back, either for practical purposes or for fashion purposes
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or just because they look good. Anyway, it looks really nice in practice. It doesn't
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feel thick, it doesn't feel chunky, it actually feels impossible.
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Yeah, I cannot fathom how they have made the iPad thinner. I can't work it out.
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The big one really makes an impression because you're used to have this huge tablet and now
01:00:59
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Now it's smaller and lighter and thinner.
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And it's very nice.
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It feels very nice.
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The small one, the 11-inch one.
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At first sight, it kind of looks like one of those old Android tablets
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that didn't have a 4x3 form factor aspect ratio
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because it's longer in landscape, essentially.
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It looks kind of weird in photos.
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I think it's fine in practice.
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- With this change, do you know if it shows apps
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in the full compact, like in the full slice class?
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- I don't think it does.
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I don't think it does.
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At least not in the simulator, it does not.
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Yeah, I know.
01:01:46
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- So I've ordered both, right?
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And I'm interested to try them out to see if like,
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I actually do still want both in my life.
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'Cause everyone that I know that has been,
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including you, including Marco, has said to me and Jason as well, like, you're only going
01:02:01
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to need the 12-9 now because it's small enough and light enough. But I'm still, I still want
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to see it for myself. Like I'm still kind of holding out reservation because it's like,
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I have a 13 inch MacBook Pro, right? If I see a 15 inch, the 15 inch is like a battleship
01:02:16
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still and this is still kind of the same difference, right? It's still like two inches of difference.
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So I'm keen to see how it ends up working out. No, of course it was blown out of proportion
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with the 12.9 inch iPad Pro because they always had the bigger bezels, right?
01:02:30
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So it's always been like massively larger than than the other iPad size,
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you know, like especially with the 10.5 because screen got bigger,
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but the bezels got smaller.
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And I'm super excited to see what the 12.9 looks like.
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But I'm still unconvinced that like for the way that I use the iPad Pro,
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that I will only want one of them.
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So I need to see it for myself.
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And the only way I can do that is by ordering them both.
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Mm hmm. That makes sense.
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So anyway, we were talking about the design, it looks good and it feels good when you hold
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So I want to talk about quickly the compatibility mode that a bunch of people were talking about
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on Twitter and actually there's a couple of videos that Apple published under the TechTalks
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channel, sort of developer videos that you can watch.
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especially the first one, it's an eight minute video that explains how developers can adapt
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their apps for the new iPad Pros. And one of the changes is that the iPad Pro, the 11
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inch, so the new 10.5, essentially, does not have the same aspect ratio as the old one.
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So if your app has basically been hardcoded to check for that aspect ratio, it's not going
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to work well with the new safe area insets approach that Apple has been pushing since
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the iPhone 10 days with the virtual home indicator.
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So this is kind of what we saw with the Apple Watch too, right?
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Where like, because the screen edges are curved, there's different considerations needed.
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But also the problem on iOS devices is that you have this virtual home indicator that
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can conflict with tap bars.
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if you code a custom tab bar that doesn't use the native APIs and you don't use storyboards
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and all that.
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So the thing about these new iPads in Split View, because you can put multiple apps in
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Split View, let's assume that you're using one app that has been updated for the new
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iPads and has been linked against the iOS 12.1 SDK.
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So one app has done all of the things they're supposed to do to work well on the new iPad
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Pro, but the other app in Split View hasn't.
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So you're using an app that's been updated and an app that has not been updated.
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The result on the new iPad Pros is compatibility mode, which is essentially a punishment for
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the app that has been updated, because the old one that is causing problems will be put
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in this kind of letterbox mode.
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So there's Apple is going to force a safe area
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inset on both apps.
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So even the new one that has been updated will be
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put into this safe area
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mode, this compatibility mode,
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so that it can work with the other app that has not been updated.
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So you will see, I think it's going to look like a black bar,
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like a thin black bar all around both apps
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so that the virtual home indicator can be unobstructed
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by the other app.
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Which means that developers better update their apps
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for new iPad Pros.
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But it also means that as long as you have an app
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that has not been updated
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and you try to use that in Split View,
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looking at you, Google,
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every other app will suffer
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if you try to put that app in Split View
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with the old one.
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Based on what I heard from first-hand and second-hand
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sources and friends who worked on this stuff,
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this was a lot of work.
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Like, it's been months in the making.
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Like, people were working on this stuff many months ago.
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And it's a lot of work to come up
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with this compatibility mode and find a way
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to make it work easily for users,
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but also reliably, and to find the solution
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that works for old apps and apps that have also been updated.
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It sounds easy, but under the hood,
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I don't think it was easy.
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So it's fascinating to me.
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- Yeah, it's gonna be a shame.
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- If they had done a different screen size,
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if they had kept the X and Y axis like the same proportions,
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would this have been a problem
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if they just scaled it up to like whatever it is.
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- I think it would have been a problem to the extent that
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the problem on the iPad is the split view.
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It's that you're using two apps at the same time
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and one of them can be all good and updated
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and the other is not.
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And the virtual home indicator
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is sitting in the middle of them.
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So because there's that indicator,
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it becomes a problem even for the app
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that has been updated for the new iPad Pro.
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So even if the screen was the same--
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- So it's gonna be on both then,
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it's gonna be on the 11 and the 12,
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nine will have the same problem, right?
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Because of the home indicator.
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- Yeah, because you have that virtual,
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we have the home indicator,
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which is kind of long actually on the iPad.
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You have that one in the middle,
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so that causes problems.
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Hopefully this will be resolved quickly,
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but still this compatibility mode is in place
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for all of those old apps.
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Well, I guess we can, you know, it's like one of those things, I think it will take
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time but it will happen. Like there's still apps that I use every day for the TELUS Max
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that I can see haven't been updated, right? Like this is just, if you're on the bleeding
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edge of iOS hardware, this is something that you're used to by now. Like it just takes
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time, but developers get there. It's like, Google will be the joke for a while, but we
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know that they'll do it, they've always done it, it just takes them a long time, so we'll
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will just have to live with it until then. I want to talk about a couple of spec stuff.
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We already know the A12X is super powerful, like it's amazing, more powerful than basically
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anything else, right? I was listening to ATP live last night because I'm on Eastern Time
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so I could do that and they were kind of joking about how the fact that this iPad, the A12X,
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is more powerful than any laptop that Apple ships right now. It's this obscene amount
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of power. I want to get into a minute of comparing those because I know Stephen has a really
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good analogy that I want us to talk about. But I want to talk about RAM because there's
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been some stuff about the RAM in these machines. Federico, what's going on here?
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Again, based on what I'm hearing, all the non-1TB models, so 64, 256, 512, they have
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The 1TB model has 6GB of RAM, and my understanding is that this was necessary to handle that
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amount of storage.
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to have more memory to manage the fact that you're using a 1TB iPad.
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Apple of course is not talking about RAM, but people have been digging into the code
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and Steve Childensmith found code strings that suggested that the new iPad Pros had
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60GB of RAM, but what I'm hearing and some other people are also hearing is that that's
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only for the one terabyte model and it was necessary for storage
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management essentially. So I want to run Geekbench of course on these
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things. If I'll end up with a one terabyte version I don't know yet.
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But yeah it would have been nice to know but Apple is never gonna talk about RAM
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publicly. Do you think that RAM will make an effective daily impact?
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that you need it for the storage but do you think it's gonna make the actual
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iPad run any differently? I don't know I think it will be I don't think it will I
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think you would be hard-pressed to find apps on the on the iPad Pro that require
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more more than four gigs. Also in the future I don't think Apple will ever do
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something like only the one terabyte 2018 iPad Pro can access this feature
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like I could see them limit certain functionalities based on generation not
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based on storage size of a specific generation so I think it'll be fine.
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If it's like the RAM and the 10 R versus the 10 S then it but it's needed for storage
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management which I don't know if I fully understand then in practice it probably
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won't make a difference right like if they've done it because they need it
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from a technical perspective changes are side by side you would never notice
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"Whoa, this one only has four, it does this, but this one has six, so it can do this other
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I would imagine in practice they're effectively identical.
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So let's talk about the power of these machines.
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They're incredibly powerful, right?
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And can it be used to the full effect of the power?
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I don't think I mean, I think it's kind of obvious that right now
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you're only seeing half of the of the bigger picture for the iPad,
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because there's the big missing piece is the software.
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One of my disappointments from this event is that we didn't see any
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any pro app by Apple for the iPad Pro.
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We just got the hardware.
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So there's a lot riding on next year's WWDC
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and what Apple is going to do in terms of iPad software.
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And if they're going to show that these powerful iPad Pros
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can run things like Logic or Xcode or Final Cut, for example.
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I think right now, yes, you can buy a new iPad Pro
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and you can run reminders on it, which is fine.
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You can run Spark email.
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Not to say that those apps are--
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it's not a criticism for those apps.
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They're not going to grant everything to a halt.
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I mean, I had a demo of the new Pixelmator photo app, which
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now we're talking about this prosumer type product that
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uses machine learning to apply modifications to photos.
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Like, really powerful stuff.
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You can have multiple layers.
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You can do all kinds of edits.
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But I still think--
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And of course, Photoshop.
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Photoshop is coming to iPad.
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- That's no joke, right?
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Like that is gonna be a huge deal.
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- Next year, we're still talking 2019 for all of these apps.
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So I think the ecosystem of iPad software,
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I think it's grown over the past few years.
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- Oh, it has.
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- I don't agree with most people that I see on Twitter
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saying that iPad apps are still like iPhone apps
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or mini apps, I disagree with that.
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I think things have changed a lot
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and people have a short memory.
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- But they are sitting in the middle right now.
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- They're in the middle, yes.
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- They were like iPhone apps,
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but they are getting better,
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there's a lot of powerful stuff,
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but we're not at the Mac level yet.
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- Yet, we will, I think it's happening.
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- I also think it's gonna happen
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and I think next year is gonna be a turning point,
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both for third-party developers and for Apple.
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At least that's what I wanna believe.
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Well, or I would at least say it's either next WWDC or not at all, right?
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Like everything that's building to it, if they don't make a compelling story for
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some kind of professional iPad development stuff or just big advancements to the
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iPads in iOS, which can make it clear that you could make more powerful stuff, I feel
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like it might not happen.
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because you've got this hardware, which is as good as it's ever been, you have companies
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like Adobe investing heavily into iPad, that if you don't make your changes to iOS to kind
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of indicate an advancement like we had in iOS 11, I just don't know when you would do
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Yeah, I mean, Apple can keep doing the demos of AR apps and photo editing all the time,
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at the end of the day, people, if you're gonna sell a computer, you can sell it in two ways.
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Either it's a gaming computer, so people buy it to play video games with good graphics.
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Xbox One S performance, right? Yeah, right. That was super weird when they...
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Yeah, sure. It was very strange. Like, okay, great, but
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like where's the controller? Exactly.
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So like, we're really happy. So, either you sell a gaming PC or you sell
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a computer that people can use for work. Because there's only so much AR that you can do, you
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Apple will disagree with you, my friend.
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Sure. I want to see somebody that doesn't work at an AR company using AR stuff, at least
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for more than three hours a day. Please let me know if you're one of those people and
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you don't work in an AR startup or Apple or Google. So either you sell a gaming PC or
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or you sell a computer that is for work.
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And work apps mean stuff like heavy audio editing
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or serious 3D graphics or programming
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or like all these complex tasks
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that some apps do exist on the iPad for this stuff,
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but they're not as powerful as what you can get
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on a PC or on a Mac.
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And that is a simple argument.
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Is it as powerful as what you can get on a desktop computer?
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No, not yet.
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So it's gonna happen next year.
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Things seem to be moving in that direction.
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Is the transition gonna be completed by next year?
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I don't think so.
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We're gonna get, you know, Photoshop,
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the first version of Photoshop on iPad
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is coming out next year.
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I think this is a long process,
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but it needs to start at some point.
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And that point seems to be 2019 so far.
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But we don't know when, we don't know how,
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we don't know if Apple will participate in this transition,
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that other companies seem to foresee coming on the horizon.
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Does Apple also see this transition happening
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with iPads actually turning into computers?
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Maybe, USB-C seems to be a pretty fascinating indication
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of that, we can talk about it maybe.
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- Let's talk about USB-C, but before we do,
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Steven, there is an analogy that you've made,
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which is really cool, and I want you to say it here too.
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- Yes, I talked about this on a members-only podcast
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we have here at Relay, but the iPad Pro feels like a supercar to me in the sense that you've
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built something that is incredibly powerful, like the technology is just cutting edge,
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it looks great, like this looks like an exciting product, and it's an aspirational product,
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but one that maybe struggles in like everyday life. Like some problems that some supercars
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have is you have all this power but you can't put it down on the street. Like you just...
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- Yeah, you can go 200 miles an hour,
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but the laws stop you from driving it that fast.
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- Yeah, or the physics of the world keep you
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from using all that power,
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because you just can't put it down appropriately.
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And that's how I feel about the iPad Pro,
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is like, the hardware, this hardware looks incredible,
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it looks really good, I love the new industrial design,
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the A12X seems bananas, Apple keeps throwing shade
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at Intel, saying, hey, we're faster than 90-something percent
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of notebooks sold last year.
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that includes almost every MacBook and MacBook Pro.
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But I think that's about Apple building the case
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to move to ARM and I feel like every time
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they have a new chip and an iPad,
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it's like oh yeah, that could totally run on my laptop,
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it'd be fine.
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But for me at least, and I think for a lot of people,
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I think even the two of you,
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the software doesn't unlock all that power.
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We can talk about USB-C specific examples,
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but you know, and looking at Photoshop,
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that's like the first thing that I've seen
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that I could use, like okay,
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this would really take advantage of
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what this machine has to offer.
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And there are other high-end apps
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that sort of tap into that too,
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but most of the time, I don't need all that power.
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And I feel like I don't have access to it
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because of some fundamental things in iOS
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that need to change.
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There was that report that I think Germin had
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that iOS 12 had a bunch of stuff in it
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that got delayed or got pushed off
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because they were focusing on stability
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and performance increases on older devices.
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And they hit those two goals.
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Like, iOS 12 is way nicer on older devices
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and seems to be far less buggy than iOS 10 or 11 ever were.
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So now, like to your point, Myke, it is time,
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like WWDC 2019, it is time to see
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what Apple can do with all this iPad hardware.
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And if they want it to be a computer replacement
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for even more people,
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'cause the iPad is a computer replacement,
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100% for lots of people.
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And it could be for lots more people
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who just don't realize it yet.
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But if they wanna move into the next bigger circle out
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from that center, they need it to do more things.
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They need it to do things that it does now
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in a more efficient manner.
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And that is a story that only Apple can tell, right?
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Like third party app developers are handcuffed by iOS
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in a lot of different ways, that they aren't on the Mac,
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that they aren't on Windows.
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And Apple needs to look at those restrictions
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and really work in a way that developers can tap
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into what this iPad can do.
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And I'm super optimistic about that
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because in the hardware we're getting,
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it's clear that Apple is paying attention
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what people want. Things like a pencil that always charges and is connected with you.
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We're going to talk about the pencil again in a second. An adjustable smart keyboard.
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USB-C. These are things that pros want out of an iPad. And so they've said yes, yes,
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yes to all these hardware things. I hope they say yes, yes, yes to all the software things
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we want as well. And I'm optimistic about that until proven wrong.
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One of the key things that you can say, okay, that there's clearly a difference in the way
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that they think about the iPad is that they've moved from Lightning to USB-C.
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Like that is a sign of something, right, that seems positive to me. It's like,
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okay, we've put an actual computer connector on this thing now. Federico,
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what do you think USB-C actually means for the iPad line? Like what can we do
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right now? What can't it do right now? Like I'm interested in your thoughts on this.
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Right now it seems to be mostly an evolution of what we already had before.
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for, so you can do camera import. You can connect to high resolution displays and Apple
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seemed to suggest that you can do multiple of those things at once, like if you have
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an adapter you can connect to display and also do camera import.
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It does what USB-C should do, right? Like it does the training.
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You can use it as a, you can use your iPad as a power bank for your iPhone by charging
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other devices.
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Which is so hilarious, but brilliant. It's brilliant!
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I was on a plane and I had my iPad fully charged and I thought, you know, it would be nice
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if I could actually charge my new Sony headphones, which have USB-C from my iPad.
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So that would be kind of nice.
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I think, or I should say I want to believe, that USB-C is a sign of more to come in terms
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of adding proper I/O support to the iPad Pro line.
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I think it's ridiculous, honestly, that you still cannot connect a USB-C drive to the
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iPad Pro and have it show up as a location in the Files app.
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Especially now.
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Especially now.
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I mentioned this on Connected multiple times at this point.
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And that's like obvious material for iOS 13 or even an update to iOS 12.
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Our friend Steve Tradt and Smith on Twitter is actually making this argument right now
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that it is extremely trivial to write this kind of disk access on iOS with the existing
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APIs and frameworks that are available to read stuff from a USB drive and give it native
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UI in files.
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I'm pretty sure that that would solve most of the problems that people have when it comes
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to file management and storage and backups on iOS and the iPad.
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But also, right now, if you try and use USB-C with an external monitor, my understanding
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is that it basically treats the second monitor as a window for specific portions of your
01:23:55
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So if you're using iMovie, you can see the video on the big display.
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or if you use a keynote, you can mirror the presentation on the display.
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It's not like you're actually adding a second display to the iPad.
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You're just putting some parts of your content onto the second display.
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So it's not like on a Mac that you actually have a display management screen in preferences.
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And you can see I'm using two displays with my computer now.
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That seems kind of obvious that in the future you will be able to use your iPad Pro
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on the go or on a desk.
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And then when you sit down and you connect a USB-C cable,
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you're going to have your iPad Pro and you're going to have a second display
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running iPad apps, but much bigger.
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Does that mean that those apps will use some kind of windowing system?
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Does it mean that you're going to have split view at a much bigger size
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with perhaps multiple tabs for each app in the split view?
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Does it mean that you're going to do multi app split view,
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like three apps at once or four apps at once on the big display, that stuff could be done with,
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in theory, with these iPads and that kind of CPU and USB-C and an external display, but it's not
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possible right now on these iPads. So my interpretation of USB-C is that it's a first step
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to take the iPad more seriously as a computer.
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By giving it, it's a strong message
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to give it a different connector than the phone.
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It's sort of moving away from that idea
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that we've been hearing since 2010
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that the iPad is a big phone.
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Now the iPad shares the same connector
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that is on a MacBook.
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And that's a powerful message saying,
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this is not an, almost like you're saying,
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this is not an iOS device anymore,
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this is a computer that runs iOS.
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And that is just, I feel like the connector
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is an example of that theory.
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But right now it's a theory.
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- Yeah, it's a powerful message
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once they actually say something.
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- Right, right.
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It's like they've rolled out a big stage
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and they haven't gone out there yet to tell the story.
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And the possibility is there, but they haven't done it.
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What I keep thinking about is,
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let's just say all this magical stuff is coming in iOS 13.
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What if it had come out in iOS 12 and we were now,
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you know, three or four months into iOS 12
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and you can do all this stuff
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but the lightning port's the problem.
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Right, oh, I can mount an SD card
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or bring an external drive in
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or I can run more apps at once or like files.
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It's like a real file manager.
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But you have to deal with lightning adapters
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and lightning is slow and annoying.
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You know, we would all be scrambling for USB-C
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and be really glad it's here
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and it would be a more complete story.
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But instead we're in this weird world of like,
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well, it seems like they're gonna do something.
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They have all the cards lined up,
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but they haven't actually executed yet.
01:27:00
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So I agree with you, it's a big statement,
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but they need to finish the statement.
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- What's that?
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- I'm thinking of the meme of Charlie from
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It's Always Sun in Philadelphia, of him having all the--
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with all the paper on the wall and the strings landed.
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Yeah, this is how it is.
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This is what it's like trying to understand
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where the iPad's going.
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It's like there are all these signals
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and we're just trying to find a link between them.
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- Look at the signs, it's USB-C and all these things.
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Yeah, everything is a theory at this point.
01:27:33
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- We added, oh, so you actually get
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a 18 watt USB-C charging brick in the box now.
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Which is great. - Nice, okay.
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- That's great, hooray, that's what USB brought us.
01:27:44
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So we added USB-C, we lost the headphone jack.
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It's a problem for, for example, for DJs or, you know, people who...
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People that watch movies on planes.
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People who watch movies on planes, people who make music, people who use the headphone
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jack for all kinds of creative purposes.
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It's a problem and you're going to have to buy a dongle.
01:28:07
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And this is basically the same discussion we had when this stuff happened on the Mac
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before. Now it's happening on the iPad Pro. So it's a shame I feel like the
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iPhone jack was more needed on the iPad than the iPhone. Personally this is not a
01:28:24
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doesn't affect me. I know that it affects other people and so I get why they're
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gonna complain about it. So I get it. I just find it frustrating. So I have
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AirPods. I don't use them on planes for reasons we spoke about recently because
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you drop them and they're gone forever. We may have trouble hearing them. They're not
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loud enough that's that's another big problem and so I was on several flights
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last week and I used my lightning earbuds and they were fine so not loud
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enough but at least I'm not gonna lose them and I could transition from
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listening to a podcast on my phone to watching something on my iPad just
01:29:01
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unplug it from my phone and plug it into my iPad now that's not gonna be possible
01:29:06
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Apple does sell a USB C to 3.5 millimeter adapter so I guess I'm just
01:29:12
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gonna have dongles for this now but the thing that that's really bugs me is like
01:29:17
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the iPad is so flexible because people use it in so many different ways and a
01:29:22
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headphone jack like whatever it's old-fashioned but like a you can't tell
01:29:27
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me it's because of room in the iPad Pro like it's not about room it's about
01:29:31
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wanting to make the statement and they think that that people have moved on and
01:29:35
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I just find it frustrating because it limits the flexibility of the device if
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If it had two USB-C ports, then I could have power and headphone, but I got a tweet or
01:29:46
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an email from somebody saying they work as an AV tech in a theater and they use iPads
01:29:51
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to play music and stuff during productions.
01:29:54
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That was great because you could have it charging because in a production environment you want
01:29:58
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power to all of your devices, but now that's not feasible.
01:30:04
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I just find it frustrating.
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I think it's gonna be something that I definitely miss more on my iPad than I did on my phone,
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just because I use my iPad in various ways that I don't always use my iPhone XS.
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So it's a bummer.
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It's the saddest thing about this hardware to me by far, and it's gonna take some getting
01:30:25
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I'm not gonna let it ruin it, you know?
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Like I've been thinking about it, like I'm annoyed, but I'm not gonna let this ruin it.
01:30:30
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I just need to work out what my situation, like what am I gonna do, right?
01:30:34
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'cause I bought a dongle,
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which I'll put on my over ear headphones
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that I keep in my travel backpack.
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So I just keep it on there.
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But if I use that dongle, I can't charge at the same time.
01:30:44
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So do I need a different dongle that maybe I could charge?
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But I guess it's gonna be a long-term thing for me.
01:30:50
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I don't really wanna get Bluetooth over ear headphones,
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really, 'cause I don't wanna have to have another thing
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that I need to think about charging.
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So I'm just gonna see, I'm just gonna see how it goes.
01:31:03
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You know like Apple might bring out these head pods and then maybe that changes everything again
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I don't know. I'm just gonna have to wait and see but for now I'm just gonna have a dongle on the way
01:31:13
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My dongle arrives on Friday. I'm so excited
01:31:15
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And then I'm just gonna put it on my headphones that go in my bag and I'm just gonna leave it there
01:31:20
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I'm gonna see how it goes over time. But yeah, it's a frustration
01:31:23
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But I will let this one go because I think everything else is so awesome
01:31:30
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What do you think about the price increases? Oh
01:31:32
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People are upset and I think they are more expensive.
01:31:39
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They are like a couple of hundred dollars more or something, right?
01:31:42
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It's especially bad for euros.
01:31:45
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I think you can easily get to the point where you're spending two thousand and couple hundred euros to get an iPad Pro.
01:31:57
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The keyboard is like 2200 euros.
01:32:02
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It's like that's an insane amount of money for the keyboard folio.
01:32:08
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But so I would say just on the actual price of the iPads,
01:32:14
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I care more about the price increase in dollars,
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because that's what Apple is saying the product is worth.
01:32:21
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The issue when you go outside of dollars, especially into Europe
01:32:25
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into the UK right now is there is a lot of price changes because Apple is betting on
01:32:30
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economy changes and I think that that's a different argument.
01:32:32
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Well, do people necessarily care about that? Like it's still 2000 euros.
01:32:37
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Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying, look, if the iPads say the same price in America and
01:32:43
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different prices in Europe, then that's a different discussion because that's purely
01:32:48
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based upon economic changes that Apple is trying to hedge against. So like, I think
01:32:53
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the conversation is more interesting about like what is the price in dollars because
01:32:57
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in theory that shouldn't change and because that's where Apple's based and they're
01:33:02
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not potentially not hedging against any economic changes. So yes I know it's good, I know
01:33:07
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everything's more expensive in the UK and Europe but that's been the case for all
01:33:10
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Apple products over the last year. They're all getting more expensive because the economy's
01:33:15
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really bad. Like I'm not saying it's not bad like it is bad like I just spent an obscene
01:33:20
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amount of money on these things.
01:33:21
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But I'm just saying that like they did put up the price in dollars.
01:33:25
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And why did they do that?
01:33:26
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Like that that's kind of because it's like that isn't a discussion,
01:33:29
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which is slightly different to the discussion of putting prices up outside of the US.
01:33:34
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I'm not discounting it.
01:33:36
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I'm just saying it's different because they've been putting up prices in the
01:33:39
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in outside of the US all year without changing the prices in the US,
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like of all their products and also they're disproportionate.
01:33:46
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So like what they're going up in percentage in the US is different
01:33:49
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to outside of the US and there's reasons for that which is not just Apple putting up their
01:33:55
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prices to increase ASP or whatever they're like doing that plus something different but
01:34:00
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the iPad pros have gone up in price everywhere so I think that that is a more kind of pertinent
01:34:07
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discussion to look at this iPad pro why have they made the iPad pro more expensive which is not just
01:34:13
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their hedging against Brexit or whatever so that's a really long way of saying that the
01:34:19
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that the iPad Pros are more expensive.
01:34:20
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- Yeah, I don't love it.
01:34:22
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I think that this stuff should be accessible
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to more people over time, not fewer people over time.
01:34:30
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- Yeah, but I can look at these devices
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and see why they're more expensive though.
01:34:34
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Like I can look at it and be like, yeah okay, I see that.
01:34:36
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- But they don't have to be.
01:34:37
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Like they don't--
01:34:38
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- Well, they don't, in theory.
01:34:42
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- This is like a Tim Cook Apple kind of move.
01:34:45
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And so something like the smart keyboard,
01:34:47
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Okay, the new Smart Keyboard Folio has
01:34:50
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a lot more material to it.
01:34:52
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It's like $200, which is bonkers,
01:34:56
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but I can see how they got there on that.
01:34:58
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I can see it in some of the devices, like you can.
01:35:01
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But my biggest problem is that,
01:35:04
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it's not that I can't see how Apple justifies it,
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but it's just like the core problem that this stuff,
01:35:11
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if the iPad Pro is the future of Apple's computers,
01:35:15
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then why is it $200 more than it used to be,
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than it was two days ago?
01:35:19
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- 200 does feel like a lot, right?
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Like that does feel like a lot.
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100 I would be more like willing to understand.
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200 is a lot.
01:35:26
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- On a product that's $1,000, $200 is a big percentage.
01:35:30
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And yes, you can get like,
01:35:32
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so like the 10.5 is still for sale at 649, I believe.
01:35:36
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Like it's Apple's favorite move
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is to make the old one cheap.
01:35:38
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But it's a problem I have with that cheap iMac.
01:35:41
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If someone buys the entry level of anything on Apple's line,
01:35:45
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is that the lasting impression Apple wants to leave?
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Is that product something that Apple can be proud of?
01:35:51
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Now in the case of the 10.5 inch iPad Pro,
01:35:53
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yes, it's still a really good iPad.
01:35:55
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I'm actually gonna hold onto mine for a while
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'cause I haven't ordered an iPad.
01:35:58
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But the Apple's like mantra of like things
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just slowly ratchet up over time.
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I don't like it 'cause I buy a bunch of the stuff.
01:36:10
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I don't like it because every time they do it,
01:36:12
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it forces some segment of their consumer base
01:36:16
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either into a purchase they really can't afford
01:36:18
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but they sort of figure it out or it pushes people out.
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And it's just not a good look
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for the world's wealthiest company
01:36:27
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to continue to raise prices slowly over time.
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Apple's not a charity.
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Apple's stock price is based on ASP and on future growth.
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And the way Apple sees growth is to make more money
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and to do that.
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And unless they're selling a lot more of these things,
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they make the price go up.
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So the people who buy them pay more,
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they end up making more at the end of the quarter.
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I understand that Apple has to do that
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because they're a publicly traded company.
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Like I'm not saying that Apple should like
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make everything free and we should all like
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get and live in commune with Tim Cook.
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I'm not saying that.
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What I am saying though is there is a middle ground
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between those two things where Apple used to be
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really good at, hey, we have this whole new thing,
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you get all these new features,
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it's the same price as it was yesterday.
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Like, if you spend the same $800, you get--
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- Yeah, that doesn't feel like it happens very much anymore.
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- No, and I think it should.
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Like, Apple stuff, Apple's always been doing
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for being more expensive, and from time to time,
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they try to fight that, and saying that,
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oh, the iMac Pro costs this much,
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if you build a Dell, it's $1,000 more.
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Like, they sometimes get into that,
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But the way you fix the perception problem
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of being too pricey is like, keep the prices the same
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when you make the products better.
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And if that eats into your margin a little bit at first,
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I think Apple should be more willing to do that.
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And it just, it's frustrating
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because it hurts their customers
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and it's just like, that's just a bad look.
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- 'Cause it's, again, it's like going back to my point
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of like, I can see why it's more expensive, right?
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Like they've made these like things,
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they look more technically impressive.
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Apple also chooses to make those
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advancements. Right.
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And then it could be argued that they
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make them more technically impressive so
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they can charge more money.
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Right. Like it's like a
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chicken and egg situation.
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It is difficult.
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It is a shame that we don't see
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what you were saying.
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Right. They're like and this one is
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boom, the same price as the old one.
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And then the old one gets cheaper and
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it just that doesn't feel like it's
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happening as much anymore.
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I'm keen to see what happens to the average selling price because if the average selling
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price goes up, then we'll know exactly what happened, right?
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That like they're just trying to make more money.
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Because like Apple, like we can say all this, but Apple hasn't been proven wrong yet.
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Like the iPhone ASP, so we had this conversation with the iPhone 10, like holy cow, it's $1,000.
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The ASP rose and people bought the iPhone 10.
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So this year, the 10s and the 10s max and the 10r, that ASP is going to continue to
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rise and- And if that happens and you're Tim Cook, what
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are you gonna do? You're gonna keep doing it. You're gonna find where the limit is and Apple hasn't
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hit that wall yet. Nope. At some point I believe that they will. Maybe this is the iPad that, maybe
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the iPad wall is here. Maybe it's not. I wish they quit playing chicken with it and make products that
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they can be proud of at all price points. Can we talk about the accessories? This new Apple Pencil
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It's basically everything I wanted. I cannot believe that they have done all of the stuff that they have done in one go.
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The matte finish excites me because I just think it will feel nicer. Can you confirm Federico Vittucci?
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It does feel it does feel it does feel much nicer than the old one
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It feels more
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compact, less
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I don't know, it feels like a more serious tool maybe than the old one.
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Less like a toy, more like a functional tool that feels nicer in the hand. Yeah.
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There were two features that I've wanted since the thing came out and I've set it basically from day
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one. One was for it to be flat on the sides so it wouldn't roll away because the magnets was
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a garbage idea of like the weighting in it. That was a silly idea, it's not true.
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It doesn't stop it, it just doesn't stop it, right? Like it's a really fun thing to say
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that you wait it so it won't roll but that's just not how physics works.
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And I try to make it roll off the table. One flat side helps. I don't think it's still
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as good as you would like it to be. It still rolls.
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No, it will be. It will be. Because I understand the parameters of this because I have pens
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that are just the same. It will roll but you have to roll it. But with one flat side, the
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way that you would typically put it down, it won't roll. If you throw it at the table,
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Yes, it's going to roll, but that's not what you're doing.
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Right. So one flat side is exactly what I was looking for.
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That was like the minimum of it.
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So I'm super excited about that.
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The other was to have a button.
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Now, it doesn't have a button, but it doesn't.
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The point is, I don't care about whether it has a button or not.
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I care about what the button enables and what the button enables is functions.
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So in Notes, you can switch tools.
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But the thing that I'm most excited about is what developers can do with it,
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which is basically anything they want.
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and this is a quote from Federico's Hands-On article.
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Federico Vittucci says, "In my Hands-On demo,
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"I was shown an upcoming version of Procreate
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"with a radial contextual menu
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"that appeared upon double-tapping the pencil.
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"This is my dream.
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"This is everything I wanted."
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- So the way this works is you're gonna have in settings
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some options to set the behavior
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of the double-tap gesture on the pencil.
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You can choose to switch between the tool and the eraser.
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You can choose to switch between two recently used tools
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and also you can choose to show the color palette.
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And the way this works for developers, they can either implement the system setting, so
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if you make a drawing app and you have an eraser, you can read the system-wide setting
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and conform to that.
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Or you can override the system setting and you can provide your own functionalities.
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This is what Procreate does.
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like, oh, do what the system does or do literally whatever you want.
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I kind of like that choice.
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Procreate had a toggle in its own settings
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that basically confirmed if you wanted to enable the custom Procreate
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double tap feature, which is this radial menu that you double tap on the pencil
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and you get this menu pop up in the on the screen with some options.
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It's very nice.
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'cause even in Photoshop they showed the double tap being zoom in and zoom out.
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- Yeah, exactly. It's a custom thing. - Which is not, you know, that's all custom.
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So I can't wait to see, I cannot wait to see what you do with it.
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Like I'm super excited about what might happen to some of these apps that use the Apple Pencil.
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I hope that apps that aren't even necessarily Apple Pencil focused add this functionality as well.
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- Totally. - Because you can do stuff there.
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It's basically like a right click.
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It's a right click and I feel like the fact that it's now so easy to carry around the Pencil
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because it just snaps to the top of the iPad,
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which by the way, it's very satisfying to do.
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It's gonna be more, I think it's gonna be more present
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in an everyday workflow than the old Pencil
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that needed management.
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This one doesn't mean--
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- Especially because it charges now too.
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- It also charges and you get the pop-up on the screen,
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the little message that just zoot-sy--
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- That little pop-up, that looks to me
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like future iOS design.
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- I know, right?
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webOS is what it looks like. It looks like webOS, yes. But there's something about it
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where it's like, there's no other part of iOS that looks like that. Exactly. And it's
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almost like, it reminds me of some of the AirPower stuff, right, like the way that charging
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was shown for AirPower, rest in peace. So it's really gone. It's really gone for good.
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It looks, it's gone. It's dead, right? Like it's 100% dead. The charging pad that shall
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not be named. It's never coming. But like, I see that, it's like, oh okay, that's interesting.
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It's just this little pop up like this little bubble.
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It's very cool.
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But the fact that it magnetically attaches is the thing.
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That is not going to be a permanent attachment.
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It won't fall off, but it will fall off.
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So it's just something to remember.
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Like you put it in and out of a bag, it's probably going to come off.
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But that's okay, right?
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Because you're not going to lose the cap because there's no cap.
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No, you're going to, it's going to be like where you would expect it to be.
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But I think it's cool that they've added it.
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The inductive charging is amazing.
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So, you know, I got these two things that I really wanted,
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but the magnetic attachment and inductive charging never expected that.
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Like I didn't think they'd ever do the magnetic attachment
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because it's a difficult thing to do.
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And inductive charging seems like Apple pencil four, honestly,
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rather than Apple pencil two.
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I'm really excited about this.
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This is going to this is going to make me use the Apple pencil
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even more than I was already using it, honestly.
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And I'm super excited about it.
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I feel like I don't need any of my customizations anymore.
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I don't need something to hold it on because Apple's done that for me, and I don't need to add my grip to it because
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the Apple Pencil won't roll away anymore. So I would still love to see them make it out of aluminium,
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but that's just a dream, like some pipe dream of mine. I'm really excited for the Apple Pencil.
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Let's talk about the new keyboard real quick because I have thoughts.
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So the new iPad Pro doesn't have a smart keyboard,
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it's got a smart keyboard folio, which is, as the name suggests,
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It's a smart keyboard with a folio case that wraps around the back of the iPad.
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It aligns and attaches to the iPad thanks to the hundred and something magnets that
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are built into the iPad.
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And it's a lot of magnets inside.
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It looked to me like it was the process of attaching it and removing it was a bit more
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involved than the old smart keyboard.
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Like of course there's an extra layer of the case that you need to manage, but maybe it's
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something that you get used to quickly. It supports two viewing angles. So there's a
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desktop mode where it's got this steep angle that sort of sits right in front of your face
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in theory, and vertical angle. And there's a laptop mode that is more, you know, the
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angle is more ideal for using the iPad on your lap. And in theory, the structure of
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of the folio case should help with laptop use.
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I am disappointed though, that all the things
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that I want an Apple to do have not been done
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in this product.
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The keys are not backlit.
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So still the same setup with the fabric covering the keys
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without backlight at all.
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- I will say, thankfully, it doesn't seem like
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they've changed the keys.
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- Doesn't seem like, I think it's the exact same cover,
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exact same keys. No media function keys at all. There's no Siri key, there's no
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home button key, of course, because it's gone. There's no, but not even the media
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playback keys that I love on my Brydge keyboard. Those are not in the Smart
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Keyboard. But I kind of like it, you know, it doesn't add a ton of bulk to the
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iPad Pro. I'm gonna get it at first because I have to, because there's no other option.
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You need a keyboard, right? I need a keyboard. I am concerned that the,
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basically the lack of bezels will make it, if not impossible, really hard for companies
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like Bridge to make the same setup that we have now with the two clips and the hinge
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that basically hold the iPad in place. Yeah. I'm hoping they could have something
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it just clamps to the side rather than hinges to the front.
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I guess that's what they're gonna do but to the side there's a two depth camera so I don't
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know maybe they can figure something out. Not that high up though, like you could do
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a smaller man. I mean I'm concerned for Brydge because I don't think either of their keyboards
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are gonna work and they're just shipped a new one.
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I'm just surprised. Apple, this company Apple, I mean they like money, that's a takeaway
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from. That's a takeaway from this discussion that this company likes their growing, you
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know, the raising prices and money, which is fine because it's a public company. It's
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what they do. I'm surprised they're not asking for like $400 to make an aluminum keyboard
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that is backlit as a bunch of stuff. I would give you that money because my, I just lean
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into the green. I mean, at this point, sure, I'll throw you a couple hundred
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extra bucks, but give me an actual keyboard that is backlit and that I can
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attach to my iPad because I'm going to buy the smart keyboard. I'm not going to
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love it. I already know that I'm not going to love it. I'm going to cover it
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in stickers, which is fine. Adds a bit of flair to the iPad. And also Myke is
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going to be happy. Why is it just in one color? I know. I know. I just, yeah,
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Please, Apple, you seem to have an appreciation for money, which I understand.
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Help me help you give you more money by making a more expensive premium keyboard.
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That's great.
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The smart keyboard now has its own web page on the Apple site.
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I'm not sure if it did before.
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But skimming through this, this feels like how Microsoft treats the Surface keyboards.
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It's kind of its own product.
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Obviously it doesn't do anything unless you buy the tablet.
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But they are really leaning into the features of this thing.
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And like I said, there's just not that many new features.
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I kind of like that it covers the back and the front.
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I think it looks really nice.
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I think it would actually look better with the silver than the space gray.
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I think the contrast would be nice.
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But yeah, have some options.
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Have one with the trackpad.
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Have one with the backlit keyboard.
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Microsoft does both in their Surface keyboard covers.
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clearly possible. My hope for this is just that, so my pipe dream situation is
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that they haven't made this product because they haven't got trackpad
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support in iOS yet and when they do, they'll be a different product.
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This is just the one between then and now. I'm gonna miss the
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wraparound for the media, so you can stand it up, you know? Where you can
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wrap the whole keyboard around, just set it up. Did you ever have that work? That's
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always really floppy to me. I use it all the time. It's always funny on a 10.5 because
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the angle is basically completely vertical, which always feels like it's going to explode
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and just fall over but it never happened to me. I know that's why they have the two angles,
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right? So one of them is like, they call it desktop, but it's also so you can watch stuff,
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right? So it's like it's more up. But then the keyboard is always in front, which isn't
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necessarily what I want. They do sell a smart folio, which does this, right? But I don't
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really want that. But at least it comes in pink, so you know, great news. Pink and white
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and grey in that one. But I am excited for this smart keyboard though, I'm excited for
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all of it. And we're getting next Wednesday! We're one week away. So maybe next week's
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episode well okay so I've bought all of it
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Steven do you haven't bought any have you I just bought a Mac mini no iPad
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stuff I think it is best for you to actually try them first because you'll
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buy one and return it and buy the other one so I think you need to let go to an
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Apple Store and actually hold them I want to see it I'm right now I'm leaning
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to the 12 9 I bought the 10 5 and I feel like that I want more screen but yeah I
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I want to see it in person.
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- Yeah, I'd been waiting for these though.
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Like I, you know, this is, this was my big computer
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purchase of the year, so I'm excited.
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Federico, have you wanted anything yet?
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I know you've been on planes.
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I just came back home and I'm looking into what I,
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what I want right now into what,
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do I want the one-terabyte model?
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Do I want maybe something less?
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I don't know.
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I'm oriented towards the one-terabyte model.
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Also the dates have already slipped at this point.
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So I was busy yesterday then I got on a plane and I realized you know
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I I'm probably gonna try to walk into the store and see what they have
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If possible, I'm sure they'll have them like I don't think it's gonna be
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These iPad pros in Rome
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It took all day for the dates to slip to the next so exactly there's going to be some in-store stock
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I'm sure so so let's hope for in-store stock. Let's hope that Myke's home delivery comes quickly
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I couldn't do in-store pickup for these it just wouldn't let me which is I hate it because I hate waiting at home for stuff
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Like this, but then hopefully we'll have them to talk about next week and Steven. Will you have your Mac mini?
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It is I have it coming on the 7th now that X is usually late in the day
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So I may not have it by the time we record
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But I don't see just looking at the date so that the MacBook Air is starting to slip a little bit
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but the Mac Mini is still shipping on the 7th.
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Good job Mac Mini.
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I feel like the Mac Mini is one of those things
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they're gonna sell the vast majority of them in the first quarter.
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Right? Like everyone who's wanted one.
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It's one of those things where I think
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there were more people that were concerned about it being available than will actually buy it.
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Which is kind of like a funny thing.
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Everyone was like "Come on, you gotta update it!"
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but no one's really gonna buy it.
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- Sometimes people in the Apple community
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are upset on principle.
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Like with that,
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- Yes, the principle.
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- Like why are you not updating the Mac Mimi?
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Well, they did.
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Are you buying one?
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No, I'm not.
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- No, what am I crazy?
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- I bought one.
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I'm in the chosen few.
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- Yeah, you're doing your duty, right?
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Like you complained about it
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and now you're putting your money where your complaint was.
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- And my home server is falling apart.
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So it's time.
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Seven years is a good run for a machine that's on 24/7.
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- I think that does it for this week's episode.
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If you wanna find links to stuff we talked about,
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head over to relay.fm/connected/216.
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While you're there, you can get in touch via email
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or you can do so on Twitter.
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You can find Myke there as I-M-Y-K-E.
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And Myke, of course, is the host
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of a bunch of other shows here at Relay FM.
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You can find Federico on Twitter @vitiici,
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V-I-T-I-C-C-I, and he is the editor and chief.
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- Yes, I'm both.
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- The editor and chief, I love that.
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- It's editor and chief, which is like a weird turn of phrase.
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- People call me chief also, yes.
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- Not chief.
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- I've been calling you editor.
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- Not really.
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Well, you call me editor.
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- Chief T. Chief.
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- So he's writing about iPads and shortcuts.
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- He's the fatigue chief.
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- Oh my God.
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Please wrap the show, Steven, please.
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- That's good, I like that.
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- You can find me on Twitter as ismh
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and I write 512pixels.net,
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and also host a bunch of shows here.
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I'd like to thank our sponsors this week,
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Pingdom, Linode, and PayPal.
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Until next week, gentlemen, say goodbye.
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- Adios, echos.