229: The Year of Stephen
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- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 229.
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It's made possible this week by our sponsors,
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ExpressVPN, Luna Display, and Hover.
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I'm your host, Steven Hackett,
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and I am joined by my friend and yours, Federico Vittucci.
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- Hello, Steven, how are you?
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- I'm doing well, how are you?
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- I'm good, I'm good, where is Michael?
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- He's here too.
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Hi. Hi. Hello. Hey buddy. I don't wanna wait for follow up, are you still using the paper
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like? I just need to know. Yeah. Yeah I am, yeah. Wow. Yeah, still using it. We dove right
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in. Stuck around for a while. I'm still not sure though, like, I thought to myself last
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night, mmm maybe the screen, well I know the screen looks better, maybe I want that, but
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I'm like ahh, but it does feel really nice, so I'm still in that. I have, nothing has
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changed. Okay. Okay, Steven, you may proceed with follow up. All right. We spoke about the just
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banana story last week of whole deal with Facebook and Google having secret apps using enterprise
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certificates. Apple bring down the hammer. Apple brought the hammer down on Google as well.
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If you remember Facebook got caught, Google came forward and said, Oh, yeah, we're doing it too.
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but we've stopped it. And Apple, I think, I think for consistency sake, took Google certificate
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away. It seems like for a shorter period of time, although I'm not sure anyone's reported
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exactly how long these companies were without these. But it seems like it was like a day or two,
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really. Before they started, like before the report started coming out that maybe it was coming
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back. So it wasn't very long, long enough to sting, I assume. Yeah, I mean, anytime you like
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cripple a company internally. Any hour feels like an eternity, I'm sure, if you're on the inside.
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I would assume that you get these back after long, very high-level conversations. Is this
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Phil Schiller talking to the CTO at Facebook? Does it go even higher than that? They couldn't
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use Group FaceTime because that was down all week. So I wonder...
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Just one of the ones only.
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Yeah, yeah. You want, it's a group FaceTime that you have Phil Schiller and Tim like crowded
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in like a booth and like holding an iPad out. How close do you think they sit to each other
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when they're in meetings? You think it's close? I bet they're...
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I bet, no, I bet they have huge tables there.
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I think so. I feel like Tim likes his personal space, but like Phil seems cuddly. So anyways,
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Facebook and Google, they have their certificates back and this is now I think sort of wrapped
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I guess my only thought like moving forward from here is
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I mean, this is like a really big card in Apple's hand, right?
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Like there's not much more they could do past this short of taking them out of the App Store and as we've spoken about
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That seems like a bad idea for everybody
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So did Apple sort of like use the most powerful weapon it has against these companies
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And would it be willing to use it again if it felt like it was necessary?
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Of course. It depends, right? Like this is a tool in the arsenal now
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that they could find other ways to use I guess but like I feel like it would be weird if like
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They did something in the App Store and then they revoked the Enterprise certificate just for Fonzie like for Fonzie's. My expectation is
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the way that both companies
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Got theirs back and I'll say like it wasn't
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It wasn't Apple didn't make a statement that they revoked Google's
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They made a statement to say they were helping Google get their credentials back
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How did this appear down the down the you know?
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It kind of I saw some people saying that like in Google's rush to get rid of their VPN app
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They may have screwed up their own enterprise certificate in some way
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that's like which was an interesting theory because
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Apple were very quick to say that they you know, they were happy to make statements about Facebook
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But anyway, Apple and Facebook have a different relationship than Apple and Google do right Apple Google
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You're together on a lot of things and Facebook
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Competitive but they don't like they don't throw words at each other like Facebook and Apple do right
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and I think that because I think because of that that
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Difference in tone and their relationships maybe Apple treated them differently publicly which is like totally fair within Apple's rights
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But I do think it's interesting to think about the relationships between the three of them all being
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really different from each other and
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You know, I think that Apple
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Doing this like it definitely shows the power they have over their platform
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And then there's a lot of conversation sort of outside of our bubble
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But sort of like one level up and like general tech podcasting in the last week or so about does Apple have too much power
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Over its platform. I don't I don't know if I agree with that or disagree with it, honestly
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But it is something to consider like Apple holds the cards here to a certain point
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But then they also need these other companies right they need to have communication going both ways now
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I'm just surprised when I see these tweets saying that Apple has too much power. It's called the Apple App Store
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I mean if you were in violation of something on the Google Play Store
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Google will probably act the same and when you're in violation of something on Facebook
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Facebook removes your post like if you use a song that you're not supposed to as a devil's advocate
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You the own the only way to get apps on phones on iPhones is through Apple Store
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I guess you can do it in other ways on Android
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So like it's different like that. That's the argument that people place. Is that illegal though? Like
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iPhone you know that that's the only way to get software on the iPhone. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know
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I mean, I don't know if the European Union has done what they do yet.
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I don't know if they consider it a monopoly, probably not, because they don't have the majority of the smartphone
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platform, right? Like, if iOS was the most dominant smartphone platform,
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they would probably get into some trouble with the European Union.
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Just because, right, this is what history has shown, like, well, they've done with Microsoft multiple times, and Google, in fact.
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They got on Google, didn't they?
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Yeah, Google got hit big time last year.
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So that's all really complicated,
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but it seems like the story is sort of wrapped up.
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And I guess we'll just see how long it is until Facebook
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makes some sort of other egregious error.
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So I have just a wonderful conspiracy theory situation.
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I want to hear this.
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So my expectation is the way that this all got resolved
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is there were some conversations that happened at a high level,
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and there were some agreements that had to be made.
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Apple were like, well you can't do this again and you have to do this and this and this
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something kind of hilarious happened both within like
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48 hours of getting their enterprise certificates back Facebook updated their
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Facebook app to finally support the tennis max the 10 are and the iPad pro screen
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Resolution and then Google updated Doc's sheets and Gmail also to support the new iPad pro screen resolutions
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I'm not saying it definitely was related but the timing is super funny to me
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I'm sure that they were working on these things but it is kind of hilarious that neither of these companies had done anything
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And then all of a sudden here it is and I know before you tell me
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like in March so like something's like a deadline in March where
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You have to build for the resolution to be accepted on the App Store for the iPad pros
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But it's still kind of funny that they both happened within 48 hours of these problems occurring
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Yeah, I feel there's definitely a cause and effect here
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But you know it is pretty when I was a kid and I did something bad and I would drive my parents upset
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Was it usually the result of a prank a bad prank would cause yeah, or maybe I came home late
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You know that kind of stuff. I would show my parents like the next day
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I would wash the dishes or clean my bedroom, you know that kind of stuff and Facebook and Google
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have kind of done the same here. They upset Mother Apple and so now they're showing them
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that they can be good boys. Yeah. Yeah. All right, what's next? FaceTime. Oh yes, this
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happened and it's still not fixed with the software update, right? Yeah. No. Yeah. Interesting.
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No. There hasn't been a software update in public for it. There's not. Is it in the 12.2
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Do you know Federico? Not that I'm aware of but also my FaceTime is still off
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They couldn't turn it back on server side, right? Like, you know, that's the problem, I guess. No
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No, so what I've heard from several people now and maybe it's all conjecture, but I think it makes sense
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Is that Apple's plan is to
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Blacklist old versions of iOS against the group FaceTime server
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So if you never update to 12 dot whatever fixes it you group FaceTime will just never come back for you
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That makes sense. So I hadn't thought of that. Yeah, so I don't know if that don't think that it's gospel
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But I've heard that several people talking about that
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So I'm gonna go with the very least that's possible you got to think they're going to do something to protect everybody
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but Apple did have a statement at the end of last week saying they'd fixed the security bug on the server and
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There'll be a software update to enable the feature
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Sometime supposed to be this week. It's Wednesday right now. We haven't seen it yet
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It could be out by the time you're listening to this
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They also thanked the family so remember at the beginning of this there was a kid who discovered this and his mom was an attorney
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And she like contacted Apple. She did everything right
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Some people got on to them about asking about the bounty program
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Which I found really gross like they're trying to do good and report a bug like just don't criticize
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but they apologize to the customers and
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An executive visited the family saying they will receive the payment from the bug bounty program
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So, so my question is, what is a visit in your home from an Apple executive like?
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I assume it's Phil Schiller.
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It could be somebody else, but like, do you offer Phil?
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This feels like a Greg Joszczyk type of job to me.
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This feels like a job.
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Oh yeah, he's there.
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He's there for weird, weird stuff, right?
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He's like cleanup guy, you know, in Pulp Fiction, Wolf, right, who comes in and like cleans
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up the room, right?
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Like, I feel like that's what Josz is.
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He's like the Wolf.
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He just comes in and he's like Corvette, screeches into the corner and he's ready to go.
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He also introduced the iPhone SE.
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That was kind of a cleanup job too.
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That's really interesting.
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So do you offer him a snack?
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Like what do you do?
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Like do you put out your best china?
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I don't know.
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I don't know why it's necessary for an Apple executive to go to the home of the family.
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You know what you do?
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You know what you do?
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You break the ice by saying so I have this idea for an app that I would like to work
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Do you have any tips?
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That's the perfect icebreaker.
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You want to make an app that nobody ever thought of, you have an idea.
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Or maybe you say, "I have an idea for a product.
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I have an Apple Watch and an iPhone and AirPods and I would like to charge them all at once
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and maybe Apple could give me some sort of solution for that."
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This isn't three products, this is one product.
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Are you getting it?
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It's called the AirPower.
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I also personally feel happy that we got our apology.
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got a sincere apology from Apple, which is what I was hoping that we would get that again,
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because it felt pretty bad. And then I guess the last thing is the US government, probably
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other governments, are looking into this.
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Yeah, it's inevitable.
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Which rightly so, I feel like this is kind of what we were asking for, right? There has
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to be more government control, hopefully by competent politicians, as these technology
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companies are throwing away our privacy on a daily basis.
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Like it's just a thing that we have to look for now and hope that people that are competent
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can actually try and hold them accountable.
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And we said it about Facebook, right, specifically last time, but I think in this instance, like
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Apple has some questions to answer too.
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Like I think they definitely do to someone.
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Lastly, we're mentioning this just to quell the rumors that we're doing this this week.
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So Unicode has approved emoji for 2019.
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Federico is in a full emoji media blackout, so he hasn't, he's not reading anything about
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them or what they look like, what they're called.
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No, I've only seen the hero image on Emojipedia because, you know, on Twitter I saw the image.
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There's no harm in seeing the images.
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You can see the images, you just can't know the names.
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The hero image featuring the emoji of Zloth and cleaning ear.
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That's what you think that is, right?
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Yes, and the gray lines are the dirt that comes out of the ear.
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I have a lot of questions.
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I don't want to get into this right now. Let's just move on.
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So we will be playing the game, Federico names the emoji,
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when Apple announces they're coming in iOS,
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I assume they're 13, that should be around World Emoji Day.
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That's when it's been the last couple of years.
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So hold your horses.
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And I say this also as a public service announcement
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that don't bait Federico on Twitter
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into accidentally learning these things.
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Just like play it cool.
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It's only fun if he hasn't seen the names.
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So don't ruin it for anybody.
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- I don't need to know the names
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because I'm going to win anyway.
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I will guess them all just like last year.
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So I don't even need to be informed about this.
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I will say, just as a serious topic, right?
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This emoji set is going to cause some problems for platform vendors because of the mixed
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skin tone support.
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So they have people standing next to each other holding hands.
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And one of the things that's in the Unicode kind of approved Unicode list is shared skin
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tones and mixed skin tones.
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Now iOS is like the current keyboard is not built for that.
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So I'm really intrigued to see if and how the major platform vendors implement this
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because it's not only like for couples, they also Facebook already has families with shared
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skin tones is a thing that you can set up on Facebook, which is 125 emojis on its own.
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And Windows has a viewer, which you can change the skin tone of any family member, like Facebook
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set theirs up, and there's 52,000 combinations.
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Because it's like four people and with the ability to change the skin tones of all four
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individuals.
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That's a lot.
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really intrigued to see how this stuff gets supported. I'm sure Slack will be right on it.
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There has to be a better way on iOS to deal with emoji. Like, if iOS 13 doesn't introduce some kind
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of emoji search or just a faster way to find them, I will be really surprised. I feel like
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we reached the tipping point years ago and it's only gotten worse. Like, we're getting hundreds
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of new emoji every year. And with all these new combinations, like, the emoji keyboard
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on iOS is bad, and whoever is in charge of the emoji department of the iOS team is doing
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a bad job. That's a bad job. Like, the emoji keyboard is bad. Like, it's just bad. Like,
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how... I don't know. The one in Gboard is good. Yes, it is. So, hopefully iOS 13 gives
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me the new home screen dark mode and emoji keyboard with search. So that's all I want.
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Well, that's a quick win. That is like a quick win for people, right? Like people will be
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so excited about that. But like that would be genuinely like a huge feature of iOS 13
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for tons and tons of people would be better emoji support. So it feels like an easy one.
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begins with those words because I feel like that's been worse than when
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Nintendo did the era of Luigi and they had to say it every single time like
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you're yeah you're worse than Luigi is what I'm saying you are worse than
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Luigi. You're like Waluigi. Wow this is the peak right like this is if I'm gonna
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have any week where we celebrate this it's this week. Just this week like is it
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can we just give you this week and you're gonna be done? Multiple weeks this is it.
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I mean the tattoo is forever but so I had made a prediction it's an ungraded
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I created a prediction. I accept that. Coward. Somebody's not brave enough. I should still
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win a trophy for this. Nope. Nope. Well, I already ordered one. Well, I don't know
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if you win a trophy if you buy one for yourself, but like if that's what you need, that's
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great. Sure. You can buy yourself a trophy. You have your best life, my friend. You can
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treat yourself to a trophy if you want. That's fine. I had predicted that there'd be a
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change on the Apple leadership webpage this year, and we made it to February 5th and Apple
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announced a change. So Myke, do you want to run us through the news while I sit back and
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just like bask in the in the light of day?
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Yeah, so Angela Ahrendts, who has been with Apple for a number of years now, five years,
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who came from, I believe she was at Yves Saint Laurent before, or Burberry?
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Oh, no, Burberry.
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She was at Yves Saint Laurent, I think, before, but she came from, she was CEO at Burberry,
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right? I think that's where she went over and then she moved to Apple and took over
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retail after Apple hadn't had anybody in charge of retail for nearly two years, I think it
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was. It's like a year and a half. So Angela, it was announced yesterday that she is going
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to be leaving Apple in April and in her place, Deidre O'Brien will be taking over retail,
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combining it with her previous role and still current role as head of HR at Apple. So, well,
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people they call it. So she is going to be taking the joint role of people and retail.
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Should we call it like reeple? Or p-tail. Yeah, you see, I thought of that one first,
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but ducked out of it. So that one didn't sound like it didn't sound fun anymore. It sounded
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terrible. It's upsetting, really. So, yeah. So, Deidre O'Brien is now taking over the role.
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She's actually already been updated on Apple's leadership page as having that role,
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even though Angela's also still there, which is interesting. So, there's two heads of retail at
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the moment. And that's kind of where we are. And lots of people have lots of opinions, as you could
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imagine, right? Because she's leaving and like, why is this happening? And a lot of thoughts about
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like Angela's legacy at Apple, I guess.
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So I want you guys to take this because I think I feel a little bit different.
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OK, so I'll go first.
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Oh, can I just say one thing?
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Sorry, I can say one thing.
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I don't want to say it first because I really want to get to it.
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If it's one, or if it's one.
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I find it a great shame that another female executive
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like with down another female executive on Apple's leadership page.
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I hope that they find a way to rectify that faster than whatever it was
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they were doing before because now it's one it was already bad and now it's one less person
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so it just makes their leadership mix even even worse than it was before.
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So that was the one thing.
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Okay thank you.
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So I'll go first.
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I feel like this is this departure is sort of like a Rorschach test for what you think of modern Apple
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and I sort of don't want to play that game.
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It is though!
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That's brilliant!
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It is. I can only offer the perspective as an Apple customer, as somebody who uses the
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Apple online store and the Apple, the physical Apple stores. I don't know. Nobody knows really,
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of the three of us or other people on Twitter what really happened. It does feel, from the outside,
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it does feel like a sudden departure, like something that was not planned months ago. Angela
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was on stage at the October event, had a big presence, big section about the Apple retail
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stores, this multi-year vision for what the Apple store should be. She was profiled in
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Vanity Fair last week, I think. I don't know. It doesn't feel like something that was planned.
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I think it was Vogue. It was a Vogue business.
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But my perspective as a customer is that I can appreciate, visually speaking or architecturally
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speaking, the new Apple stores. We don't have them in Rome, but I've seen them in London,
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I've seen them in San Francisco, I think, a few years ago. They're beautiful, and they are really
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extraordinarily unlike any other store that I've ever been to. But as a customer in Italy,
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who doesn't have the fancy new Apple stores, I can tell you that over the past few years,
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the experience of going to the Apple stores has gotten worse and worse.
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The Apple store used to be organized as a customer.
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Like, I knew that I could walk into the Apple store
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if I had made a reservation before, if it was the Genius Bar,
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or if I needed to buy something, therefore I didn't have a reservation.
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But that I would feel the organization behind it.
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Like, it was not messy, it was not chaotic.
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Now whenever I go to the Apple Store, I sort of dread going to the Apple Store, because
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even if I make a reservation, it doesn't matter.
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They are prioritizing walk-ins, everybody's sort of, every employee is telling you a different
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thing, like there are multiple lines for the same sort of problem that you have, like different
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employees telling you different things.
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I don't know if this is a thing that happens only in Rome, but judging from the replies
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that I've gotten on Twitter, I think it's kind of a common thing. It doesn't feel as
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simple and as organized and as... what's the opposite of anxious? Like, it was relaxed
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years ago. Like, I could go to the Apple Store and chill for a bit and it was fine. Now it's
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always messy and chaotic and I don't like it. The Apple Online Store I used to like
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before they did the redesign a few years ago.
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And I said these years ago, I said it multiple times
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unconnected, and I still maintain this opinion
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that the new Apple Online Store is also confusing
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and also difficult to use.
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Whenever I just wanna browse for accessories
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on the Apple Online Store,
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I found that the easiest way to do this
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is to just type accessories in the search bar,
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because it's like I cannot figure out
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how to navigate the Apple Online Store on my computer.
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It used to be so simple, you could go to store.apple.com and then say iPhone and then browse.
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Now you gotta go to the product page and then you gotta select buy and then you gotta find
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the accessory.
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It's super weird.
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So again, I don't know, and my third point, sorry, is that we also covered this years
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ago on Connected.
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I still believe that the idea of thinking of a store as a town square is more inspirational
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than functional.
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I can appreciate, and we actually have an article on MacStories about this, the idea
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of today at Apple and sort of using the Apple Store as a place that can foster the creativity
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of a local community with courses for photography, for drawing, for learning how to use the iPad,
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that kind of stuff.
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beautiful. People who've gone to this today at Apple sessions, they really seem to like
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it. That's fine. But the general idea of it's not a store, it's a town square. Like, it
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feels something that reads well on a press release that goes well on a website. But in
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practice, I don't want to hang out at the Apple store.
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You know, like I don't...
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- Hey, can you just meet me at Apple after the show?
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I don't want to meet you at Apple, not because you're, you know,
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I want to meet you at WWDC. We can hang out.
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I don't want to hang out with my friends in a store.
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Like it's not like going to a coffee shop. I don't go to Apple as they say,
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to hang out. And so it feels like it's a combination of,
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if I were to speculate, so if we were a Rorschach test,
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and if I were to read into it, what I see,
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I would say that a combination of form over function,
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So, inspirational ideas against the practicality of a store and certain decisions that made
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the store experience more chaotic and messy and confusing may have maybe contributed to
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Angela's departure from Apple. That's my perspective.
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I agree with all of that. From the consumer perspective, the stores are overwhelming,
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and I think Apple's mistake and I don't know if it's hers or or what but someone
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made the mistake and he said it so like the store is not a destination right no
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one wants to have an experience with an Apple retail you want to go and do what
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you have to do and you want that experience to go smoothly and like to be
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helpful and be positive but I feel like they've gone too far in that direction
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so like my Apple store here has the redesign but it's a very small story the
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The Memphis market is small and even in our small market, it is just always chaotic in
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I don't ever go in unless I've got to have something for repair or order something
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for pickup, in which case I can go in, talk to the person at the door, and get in and
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out as quickly as possible.
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It's not someplace I just want to drop by and do something quickly.
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That's a problem, right?
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I think the other angle to it is the service angle,
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which is sort of the way I think about it first.
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Now I've been gone from Apple retail for like 10 years,
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so nothing I experience then is relevant now.
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It's ancient history.
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But the service is an important aspect of the store,
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and having the Genius Bar replaced by like,
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you go sit in these uncomfortable chairs
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and someone will just yell your name
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until they come find you,
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That's, it's stressful waiting,
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and it's not a pleasant experience
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to kind of be stuck at a table with somebody
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as they take your machine in for repair.
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And it's again, it's just chaotic.
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That's the word I keep coming back to
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at these Apple stores.
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Some of that was in process
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well before Angela ever showed up,
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like the getting rid of the point of sale system.
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That was happening 2006, 2007 when I was there.
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It's been gone for a decade, that's not coming back.
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But I do think there are ways
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that there could be processes and structures put back
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into retail to help it function more
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like a regular store again.
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I don't know if we'll see that.
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It's 506 stores, it is like 70,000 employees.
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It's a lot of things to deal with, but I'm hopeful.
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It could always be worse.
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I just wanna put this in historical context.
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There's a link in the show notes to an article I wrote
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a couple years ago called Apple Cafes.
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Apple had this like wild concept in the 1990s of
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Well, basically the store they built at the new campus where there's like a restaurant
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it's all there's seating and like there's a bar and one of these pictures just go check that out and and
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be thankful that's not the future that we live in but
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Boy, what a mess. What what's that? What's that expression? What has been will be will be again
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What has been done will be done again. There is nothing new under the Sun. I
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I read this somewhere a few days ago.
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The Apple cafe thing is totally something they're doing again.
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We've been to one.
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They have one.
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It's on the company store as a cafe now.
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It's half cafe, half retail store.
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Well one third cafe, one third and then they've got the visitor center.
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One third weird AR experience that made the iPad really hot.
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I think my view on a lot of this is pretty different.
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I don't personally feel like the Apple store is any worse than it's always been.
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Like the idea of not having checkouts or like places you can buy stuff from.
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I can't remember an Apple store
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I've ever been into that had a defined place where you would buy something.
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Like it's always like find random person
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and the cash tills are in the desks, right?
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Like they it's just like always for me felt like a kind of you go in
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and you just keep walking around and around with something in your hands until you can
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try and get somebody's attention. I feel like it's always been that way for as long as I've
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been going into them. I also never have once set up an appointment or been to the Genius
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Grove for anything. So I just want to say that as like, oh, so you're one of those people
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you never got to like, who's never been there. Well, like it's, I'm not one of those people.
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I've just never had a need. I can never had a reason. I had a reason, but I couldn't do
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anything, right? Like, breaking my iPad screen, I wasn't gonna pay for it because it was too
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much in of AppleCare, so...
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So you never made a reservation for the Genius Bar in your life?
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Oh, interesting. Okay.
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I've never been to the Genius Bar. I've never made a reservation. I've never been.
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Oh, I had no idea. Okay. Okay.
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Right, so my view of Apple Stores not being any better or worse could be tainted by that.
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I also, like, I don't know how I feel about the idea of, like, the Apple Stores are bad,
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is why Angela's gone because it doesn't look like they fired her. So it doesn't look like
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it. But I don't know. But something's happened. But even if it is, even if they have fired
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her, this is the reason. Because nothing bad has happened that we can see that, like, they
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were clearly all in on this idea, right? So like, she could just do this on her own.
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we consider that tweet by Mark Gurman that it looks suspiciously close to, you know,
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the company reports iPhone sales are down and then the head of retail leaves. Like,
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it's maybe not related but it looks a certain way.
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But I don't think the reason that people weren't buying iPhones was because of the retail experience.
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Right? Like, I don't think anyone's thinking that, right? That like, "Oh, I couldn't buy
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an iPhone. That wasn't the case. I can understand the tantalising nature of an opinion like
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that, right? But Angela wasn't responsible for China, right? That's what Apple was blaming
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it on. You know what I mean? If they would have had a big store problem, that would have
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been really easy to be like, "Oh no, people really want it and they just destroyed our
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stores because of over demand. I don't know. I don't know what's going on here. But I definitely,
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definitely am in the camp of like, this was a surprise to someone.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, either to her to Tim Cook, right? One of the two was probably surprised.
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The flip side of this, I want to talk about too is what they're doing moving forward. So
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combining this role of HR and retail. I said 70,000 retail
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employees drinks, Dr. Drank said this 32% of Apple, but Apple PR
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says there's 100,000 total employees. So like, it's I
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think it's more than 32%. But either way you cut it, it's a
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large number of people to manage and 506 stores. It's a lot of
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locations and my concern with this is, and I said it yesterday, is that this
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means that retail doesn't have a full seat at the table anymore, right? That it
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is shared somehow with HR and yes, these departments are way more than this
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one individual, right? They have tons and tons of people and there are people
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directly under her who are completely responsible for retail, completely
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responsible for HR. But the highest level it being merged is just not something
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that I saw coming but Gurman had another tweet talking about the the turnover
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we've seen at Apple's very highest level since Tim Cook came and the most
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turnover they've seen is in retail right they had Ron Johnson who sort of
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started it and then he left and did JC Penney and that didn't go very well now
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he has a startup and then it was empty for a while and
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And then they filled the position
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with a guy named John
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Browett and the disaster guy from the UK and that was like a real bad and he got fired like
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Apple let him go
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And then and then Angela came in so there has been turnover here. So
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part of me thinks that maybe this isn't permanent and
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It's just to make sure someone can oversee it, but then at the same time like maybe it's not maybe that's okay, too
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It's just unusual for Apple. It feels like but
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At the same time I think something another factor to consider is like if you look at Apple's other
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Segments so like Craig Federighi in charge of software
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Well, he is technically in charge of like all of their software platforms
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But of course he has chiefs in charge of Mac OS iOS watch OS and the intern running tvOS
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Right and Johnny is back in charge of the two design departments that they split up for him
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Right, I split them up. So maybe this time away from it
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So maybe this isn't while it's new to retail in HR
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Maybe it isn't as unusual with an Apple as it seems like it is what you begin software the software and design roles
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like the two subdivisions
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They are inherently the same thing.
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Human resources and retail stores are not the same thing.
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They don't ladder up naturally into one person.
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My assumption here is just they didn't want this space to be open again.
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So they've given it to someone that they feel has the right skills
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to look after it until they can find a more permanent replacement.
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Right, like it feels super strange to me to give one person these two roles because they
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don't have a natural fit together and this clearly wasn't the way it was thought of before,
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right? They haven't had a great idea of like, "I know what we do. Deidre should have both
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of these and we'll fire Angela." That's not the reason that they've done this. They just
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have an empty seat and for whatever reason I don't I will say I don't know a
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lot about Deidre O'Brien I know that she's been at Apple for like 30 years
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yeah she's a she's a lifer as they say like yeah I don't know yeah I don't know
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much else about her I hope to see a big profile about her soon right because
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she's clearly taken on an important role so I have some other thoughts about
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about Angela Ahrendts, it is the general assumption
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that she was brought in to help Apple transition
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to become more of a fashion conscious brand.
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She 100% succeeded at that, right?
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Like if you look at the Apple Watch,
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and again the Apple Watch has changed,
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but a lot of the verbiage and the way that they do
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the seasonal releases of watch bands and stuff like that,
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if we're still assuming that she had a hand in that,
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which is what people assumed at the beginning, like she has been successful. I'm kind of
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a little bit, I feel a little bit uncomfortable that like over the last 24 hours everyone
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is like, yeah, of course I fired her. But nobody was saying it like two weeks ago, right?
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Like I've seen a lot of people say a lot more harsh things than you guys are. And it just
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seems strange to me. Like I don't really feel anybody had the, yeah, I guess. But like I
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I just don't think that we can know enough.
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This genuinely feels more to me like she decided to leave than Apple knew they were getting
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That's how it feels to me.
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Maybe she just was done with technology and wanted to go back to fashion again.
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Yeah, it'd be interesting to see where she lands and that may lead into some more insight
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about what happened at Apple.
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Also I have one quick hot take about chairs.
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I've been seeing a lot of people complaining about chairs, right?
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There are no chairs with backs on in Apple stores.
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Of course there aren't.
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Because they don't want you to sit and hang out in there.
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Be like, be realistic about this.
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They want to make you uncomfortable.
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They don't want because people will hang out in Apple stores.
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You've seen tweets about chairs in the Apple.
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What kind of people do you follow?
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I don't know the same people as you.
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Like people, people are complaining about the little balls and the growth thing
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with the trees. But they're supposed to be because they don't want people hanging out
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and they're using the Wi-Fi all day. Let's be realistic about this for a second. There
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are going to be some things you have to design your stores to get people in and out of them,
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not like in and hang around. Then we're building the Apple Cafe.
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They used to have theaters with real seating and a screen and stuff, and they got rid of
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all those. But the Genius bars, when they were around, they basically had kitchen stools,
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barstools. So again, no back. And the idea was you sit down for 20 minutes, I take a
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look at your iBook and then you go home sad because your iBook's broken. So that's not
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new. I think it's one of those things that people latch onto because it's a newer thing
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in the store design. And you know, it's easy to poke fun of things that are new. But yeah,
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we'll see if there are any changes coming. It's not going to be anytime soon. I don't
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think right these things take time. And it's a huge part of Apple's business and they're
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not going to rush in and up end. My guess is we're going to see very little change.
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My guess is that Apple is pretty happy with the way retail works, especially from like
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the layout and design perspective. So if there's any processes or like sort of internal structures
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that change, that'll take some time to leak out.
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Because they committed to a plan, right? For a certain period of time. You can't, you can't
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turn a ship that big, that fast.
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The Apple Store ship.
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Goodbye Angela, we hardly knew you.
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It's always beta season now, right?
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As I said that, I realized that it's basically just beta
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year round now, but--
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than 12.1 was.
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So one of the big features of the iOS 12.2 beta is the beginnings of the HomeKit TV support.
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And Federico, my understanding is that you were able to, via some means, get your what
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should be unsupported LG TV with the HomeKit TV support to be supported via Homebridge.
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Yes, that's what happened.
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So, soon after the first beta of 12.2 came out, I saw on Twitter Kaos Tian, he's a developer
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for... he works at a company that I don't remember the name, is one of the top contributors of
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Homebridge, the plugin that allows you to add HomeKit support to unsupported devices.
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He makes a bunch of Homebridge plugins and configuration stuff.
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And he was playing around with initial support for bringing these native HomeKit APIs for
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televisions to his old LG TV running WebOS.
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And I think we actually have the same TV, WebOS one from 2017.
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he got in touch with me, he sent me an early version of his plugin for adding the WebOS
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TV to HomeKit on 12.2, and eventually, a couple of days later, the plugin that I was already
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using for HomeBridge, it's called the HomeBridge WebOS TV, was updated with native support
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for HomeKit and iOS 12.2. So, for the past 10 days, 2 weeks, I've been... I had my TV
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in the Home app as a native television for iOS 12.2 instead of... I used to have the
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old Homebridge plugins to do that, and they worked by essentially letting you fake certain
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TV controls as either a light bulb or a switch. So for example, with the old
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plugin that I had, the TV volume was a light bulb, and so increasing and
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decreasing the brightness actually changed the volume of the TV. So you
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could use a slider to adjust the volume. Or, for example, if you wanted to switch
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between channels or to switch between inputs, with the old plugin you would
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have switches in HomeKit as if they were electric outlets.
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And so you could turn off the switch to say,
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"Switch to HDMI 2 on the TV," and stuff like that.
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With the new HomeKit support for televisions,
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some of these features are native integrations of the Home app.
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Others still require, at least for my needs and for my tastes,
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still require the old plugins. So if you guys want I can go over some of the
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details of what you get with HomeKit. So the idea is in the Home app you get a
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new type of accessory called the television. It's got a new icon, it looks
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like a TV. You can tap and hold it, you can press it with 3D Touch and
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it expands into a switch. So at a basic level what you can do is you can turn
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off and turn on the TV. There's a Settings button in the bottom right
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corner, as always. The thing that's new and different for televisions is in the
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bottom left you get Input as a new button of this UI, and the Input button
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lets you switch between inputs of your television, so HDMI ports or in the case
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of WebOS. And again, I'm testing a third-party plugin, this is not an
00:47:48
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official integration, but this plugin allows me to switch between inputs but
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also native webOS apps. This plugin uses the native webOS API that LG makes, and
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so as a developer you can write software that allows you to control your
00:48:06
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television both for inputs, I have four HDMI ports and I can switch between them,
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but also you can open webOS apps. So the built-in television apps like Netflix,
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like the TV Guide or, I don't know what, I have an Italian streaming service,
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you know, that kind of stuff, or the YouTube app, which I prefer to the
00:48:27
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YouTube app on the Apple TV. So, at a basic level, what you do is you open the
00:48:32
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Home app and you expand the television button and you can either turn off the,
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you know, toggle the power state of the TV or switch between inputs. In Settings,
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you can change the names of these inputs. And this is all you can do for now in the Home app.
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You also get, of course, this is actually my favorite way to control the TV from Control Center,
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from the Home button of Control Center. If you add your television as a favorite, you will find it there.
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You can expand it with 3D Touch and you can switch inputs from Control Center,
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you can turn off and turn on your TV from Control Center.
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I should specify that HomeKit support does not equal AirPlay 2.
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HomeKit support for televisions means controlling them, not streaming media using AirPlay.
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So those are two separate things, and to the best of my knowledge,
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I don't think there's a way to enable AirPlay 2 support using something like HomeBridge.
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Homebridge. Because Homebridge, what it's doing is it's basically saying you have
00:49:41
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this HomeKit accessory on your network and it works with the Home app. I don't
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think there's a way to do this with AirPlay 2, but I could be wrong. Still,
00:49:50
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HomeKit does not mean AirPlay 2. Two separate things. And finally, the other
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part of HomeKit support for televisions is the remote that you get in Control
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and this is the thing where I have the most complaints about.
00:50:08
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So the remote looks like a very basic digital remote in that you get a directional pad with four arrow buttons
00:50:17
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to navigate the UI and a click button in the middle.
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This remote is available in the same Control Center screen where the Apple TV remote is,
00:50:31
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remote is, which is kind of confusing because when you open Control Center
00:50:35
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it's got an Apple TV logo but actually if you expand it and you open this
00:50:40
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menu you will see your television remote.
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Are there two different ones you can switch between them?
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Yes, you can switch between the Apple TV remote and the television remote but when Control Center is in its
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initial state you just see the Apple TV icon which is kind of confusing.
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So the remote is not in the HomeKit?
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It's in the Apple TV part?
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It's in the Apple TV part of Control Center.
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Alright, that feels like something that could be changed,
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like the glyph could be changed, maybe.
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So you get this directional pad,
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then you get a large empty space,
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and then at the bottom, at the very end of this remote UI,
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there's four buttons, play and pause, back, exit, and info.
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So back and exit, they behave as the remote that you will get
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on the physical remote of your TV.
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In my case, back means navigate back,
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and exit means close the current view or the current app.
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Play and pause only work at least with my plug-in
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and with my TV for stuff like YouTube, for example,
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Depends if you're looking at an item that is playable.
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And info just opens the info view,
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the detail view of what it is you're currently doing.
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So if I'm watching TV,
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WebOS shows me an info UI for the current channel,
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but if I'm watching Netflix, it brings up the detailed view
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of the episode, stuff like that.
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And that's about it.
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The remote is not customizable.
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That's my main problem with this.
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You cannot add inputs to the remote.
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This is something that I do all the time.
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With my physical remote, I either
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control the playback of the TV or change the volume,
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or I switch between inputs. My remote has buttons for Netflix and Prime Video, for example,
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but this digital remote, despite the fact that it's digital and in theory could be changed,
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right now it's not customizable. So if you want to change inputs, you gotta use the HomeKit tile,
00:52:41
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which means first you gotta press on the Home icon in Control Center,
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then you gotta press on the Television button,
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Then you need to tap input and only then you can select the input that you want to switch to.
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So switching inputs is a bit slow right now
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And I would like to see the remote to be customizable
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How does it work with Siri?
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Doesn't work yet. So that's the other problem. I don't know if it will
00:53:07
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I assume it will because it will be super strange.
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It will. It has to, right? Like it has to, it's home.
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But if you... It must.
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If you... I mean it...
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It only seems natural that you should be able to say "switch to Netflix on the television" or stuff like that, or "switch to HDMI 2".
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Do you get access to them in shortcuts?
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So you can only set up scenes for...
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Because I told you right now the television in HomeKit behaves like a glorified outlet,
00:53:43
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So it behaves like an accessory that can either be on or off.
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It doesn't have actions to say "Switch to a different channel",
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because it behaves like a switch.
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So when you create a scene, you can say "Turn off my lights", and, I don't know,
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"Dimm, use this color", and turn on the TV.
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But you cannot say "Make the lights blue and open Netflix", or stuff like that.
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You can only toggle the power state.
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So you can create scenes that turn off or turn on your TV, but that's about it for now.
00:54:16
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And yeah, it's convenient. I like the fact that when you open the remote from Control Center,
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and you leave it open, and you lock your phone, the moment you tap your phone,
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you will see the remote instead of the lock screen. So the idea is you're watching Netflix,
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you're watching YouTube, you tap your phone, you see the remote. That's convenient, and I
00:54:40
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I really like it actually.
00:54:42
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But it should be customizable and you should be able
00:54:44
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to control your TV from Siri.
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Now, this is super early, I'm using a third party plugin,
00:54:49
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there's a chance that the problem is the plugin.
00:54:54
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- For all we know, right, like this is like the most basic
00:54:58
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of basic support, but if you have an actual television,
00:55:02
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which is HomeKit enabled, it might do more.
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We just don't know that yet, right?
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- Then again, I'm skeptical about that
00:55:09
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because the plugin is using the official HomeKit APIs and those are all there are.
00:55:14
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No, I think it's probably closer to what you're using, but I just don't want to...
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We don't have all the information yet, right?
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Yeah. But I like it. Once Apple gets the Siri integration going,
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the idea of asking the HomePod to control the television, that's going to be real nice.
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I, at this point, considering the fact that a third-party developer was able to build
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a plugin using the WebOS API in a couple of days, make it work with HomeKit, I really
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want to hear LG's argument if they do not bring HomeKit support to the older TV sets
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running webOS because the new webOS TVs from 2019 and those from 2017 or 2018
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are going to run the same version of webOS. So to artificially limit HomeKit
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I'm not talking about AirPlay which may or may not require some other dedicated
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chip, again I don't think it will, but I'm talking about HomeKit and to limit
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that to just the 2019 models while I understand commercially speaking why LG
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may want to do that. Technically speaking it seems like a sort of a like a fake limitation
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because again some indie developer got it going in two days and yeah I want to see what
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they do but I don't know any other questions? I don't think so. It's exciting to see what's
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possible and I agree with you I hope this goes as wide as possible right this isn't
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limited to just TVs you can buy this year.
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Yeah, I really don't want to change my TV just to get HomeKit.
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And for... let me clarify before
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listeners ask. At the moment I'm still...
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I'm running the plug-in called Homebridge WebOS TV
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and I'm running it in a sort of mixed
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environment. There's an article on Mac Stories with screenshots about
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shows this stuff in the sense that I have the
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television accessory as an official HomeKit one, but I still have other
00:57:31
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accessories, other items in HomeKit based on the legacy mode for this plugin because there are some things that
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this new HomeKit integration doesn't do. So I still have the slider to adjust the volume
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Which looks like a light bulb actually Sylvia asked me about this last night. She was looking at my phone
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It's like why are you changing the volume of the TV, but it looks like a light bulb and it says brightness
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So I still have that I still have
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To open individual channels like channel 5 channel 6 on my TV. I still have
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Switches to open apps that cannot be opened by the new plug-in and stuff like that
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So it's a mixed environment right now, but it works well.
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So we'll see if future betas open up new endpoints
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for the HomeKit API or a customizable remote.
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That would be really nice.
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So there was some other stuff that came out in 12.2.
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One thing was found by Guillermo Rambo,
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which is lots of references to Apple News magazines.
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Kind of like they found some splash screens,
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which seemed to indicate that magazines are in fact coming to Apple News.
00:58:50
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This included references in the code,
00:58:54
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I assume somewhere to the phrase bundle,
00:58:56
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which makes a lot of sense or bundle subscription. Um, so yeah, that's,
00:59:00
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this is going to be a part of Apple's upcoming media services bundle.
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It would have seen, it would see.
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Which makes sense, right? They've been moving towards this since buying texture.
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There's the point.
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There are other rumors,
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I think saying that the video streaming service
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could be as early as April.
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That's not really in the show notes for today,
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but it just seems like all this stuff
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is inching closer and closer.
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- Yeah, I reckon we're gonna get an event in March.
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- Feels like it.
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It really does. - Which has a lot
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of this stuff.
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And there's new animoji.
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A giraffe, a boar, owl, and a shark.
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So I'm, you know, fine.
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They look fun.
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I guess the giraffe is brilliant.
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The boar, the boar I also like.
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The owl and the shark I'm less excited about.
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I don't know why.
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The shark is sort of strange.
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There's a lot of body in there.
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You know, those are just dismembered animal heads.
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There's a lot of body.
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And especially when you see it in the list,
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it's like the whole animal, which
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is different to everything else.
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But maybe it's-- I don't know.
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Is it difficult to show a shark just its head?
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This is not a question that has ever been asked before in a podcast.
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Can you visually depict a shark just by its head?
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If a shark doesn't have a body, how can it swim?
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Where does the head of the shark end and the body begins?
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Nobody really knows.
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Yeah, science is out on this.
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They haven't figured it out.
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They've tried.
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So much time, energy and money has been poured into the answer to that question.
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How does Apple pick these animals?
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Like do they have stats to decide the next animoji?
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Do they have like a draft?
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Oh, they should totally have a draft for the next animoji.
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They should ask Jason to run it.
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They can license the Jason Snell technology.
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I don't feel like I understand.
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Are there any animals you would like to see, Federico?
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Squid fish would be interesting as an animoji I think.
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But also, okay, let me look at the animals on the emoji keyboard.
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Why is it all just animals too?
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I want more other things.
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I would like to have...
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Like they have the robot, I want like an alien, there's got to be some others.
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I would like to have squid.
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Squid should be an animoji.
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Goat should be an animoji.
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I still want the emoji face. Just the regular emoji face.
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Hedgehog should be an emoji.
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I kind of want the emoji for a duck.
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That could be fun.
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Yeah, these are my four.
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Weird fish, goat, duck.
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There's no cow, right?
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There's no cow.
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That seems like a pretty obvious one.
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you know I actually want the animoji with the creepy face of the moon I want
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that animoji creepy moon face that's my actually my top pick weird fish second
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snowman snowman would be nice it would be Drang's animoji yeah what what if they do
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like the animoji for the petal for playing ping-pong. Imagine that. Can you
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imagine if they like enabled you to make an emoji of your own face? Imagine what
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that would be like. What would you call that? Like a self-emoji. Anemojme.
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That's probably it. If you have an animal you would like to see as an animoji
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please tweet at Federico and he'll get he'll get it done if it's a really good
01:03:00
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one I will thumbs up there you go so you can send them to him but they've got to
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be good but I need you need to motivate your your decision and explain convince
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me of its validity that's how it works so you're not asking for papers is what
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you're asking I'm asking for people to pitch me an animals animal candidates
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for Animoji. And with the good ones I will forward to Jason Snell for the draft.
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I don't know where I'm going with this. Jason will probably hate me, but I'm going
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to do it. I don't care.
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Jason loves email. That'll be fine.
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Also in the 12.2 beta, Ahoy Telephone for AirPods.
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I feel like this rumor just like comes around every three or four months or so that new
01:05:57
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AirPods could have always listening Siri and it seems like maybe that's again getting closer.
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I mean this was rumored last year and remember at the Apple event where they showed the video
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and everybody thought "oh they leaked their own AirPods" and then they didn't announce
01:06:18
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those AirPods.
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They did it.
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I mean, this is...
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Your friend has been holding this up.
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Oh, it's my friend.
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Now you're...
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I don't feel responsible for my friendships and in this case I don't understand your subtle
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criticism of my apprehension for air power state. Therefore I take no offense in your
01:06:47
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Good. That's perfect.
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What just happened? I don't know what happened.
01:06:53
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I was setting myself up for being tall enough, but it was actually perfect.
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Really nice and loving.
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Um, anyway, yes.
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Where are these AirPods?
01:07:08
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- Where are they?
01:07:10
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So is this something that we want?
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Like I feel, I know Myke, I know you don't like tapping
01:07:18
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the AirPods when they're in your ear,
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and I totally understand that,
01:07:20
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I feel like a lot of people probably feel that way.
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It doesn't bother me personally.
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I'm not, like this would be nice to have for me,
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but I guess I'm saying like I don't feel like
01:07:27
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my AirPods are incomplete because they don't have
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this feature. I wouldn't use it. Really? You're surprising me today. First you never made
01:07:38
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a reservation to the Genius Bar. Now you would never use Siri on the AirPods. Do you even
01:07:43
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use Apple products? Look, I don't want to talk about that today. I just can't imagine
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myself calling Siri in a crowded environment for one, like I'm out in the world, right?
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I just don't imagine doing it then.
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And then more than that,
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what would I use it for?
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Right. Like, would I use it to send a
01:08:04
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message? I never want to send a
01:08:06
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message without seeing what it's
01:08:09
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Yeah, but it's...
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It does that now.
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You just have to tap it.
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Yeah, it's so infrequent that I
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would want to make that change.
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I would just be as happy grabbing
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my phone out of my pocket.
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Do you talk to your AirPods now?
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Like if you... Well, you don't tap.
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Do you, Federico?
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No, because Siri sounds terrible right now on the AirPods.
01:08:32
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Yeah, I don't have double tap for Siri enabled on my AirPods.
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I have the gesture, the double tap is play/pause on both sides.
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Same. I do that because I don't think I would be able to remember which side I set the gesture for each.
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Oh yeah, that's impossible.
01:08:52
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I didn't change it.
01:08:54
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So my trick for this, when I used to have the setting, was that Siri starts with an
01:09:01
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S and in Italian left is "sinistra", which also starts with an S, therefore Siri was
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on the left. That was my old trick.
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But "stop" also starts with an S.
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Well, that's your problem because you're American, I don't care.
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What is the Italian word for "stop"? What's the letter? What does that begin with?
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Yeah. Yeah. It's stop. Right. Well then it also applies to you.
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You're an American. That's why I said it. Cause I got, you're an American,
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but like it's the same for you. Stop is also like,
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I was talking about Siri. I don't care about stop. Um, but play pause,
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I guess starts with something else other than an S. I get it. It's good.
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It's good. Um, I use Siri on my AirPods, not a ton,
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but you know, so I use my AirPods basically in,
01:09:51
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in three situations.
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One, I am traveling,
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and like walking through an airport or something.
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We talked before about how using AirPods on a plane
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is a terrible idea, I don't use them on the plane,
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but traveling I use them.
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And if I'm walking through an airport,
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you know, I don't mind tapping and asking Siri something.
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I use them at the gym, in which case,
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I never wanna talk to Siri,
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because then you're just the guy at the gym muttering,
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which is just like not a good look.
01:10:16
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Now, and then I use them around the house
01:10:17
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doing like yard work or doing dishes or something like that,
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in which case my phone isn't always on me,
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like maybe it's on the counter,
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or if I'm mowing the grass,
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maybe it's like on the back porch
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and I'm just out in the yard,
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in which case it is nice to have it enabled.
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But again, I don't feel like the lack of Ahoy! telephone
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breaks the experience for me.
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But I do find it useful to talk to Siri
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when that's all I have with me.
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- I've had a problem with my AirPods
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for the past few months.
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Yeah, I linked it on Mac stories a couple of weeks ago.
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I've noticed that my day one AirPods,
01:10:57
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I actually got them in December 2016 when they launched.
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Their battery doesn't last as long as it used to,
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and also the volume in one of them is quieter than it used to be.
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And, yes, I cleaned them,
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and I tried a bunch of different things,
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like setting up the AirPods from scratch.
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I think it's just that they have aged, and I've used them basically every day for the
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past two years and something.
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So I'm in the market for new AirPods.
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I really can't wait for Apple to release the new models, because I used to be able to run
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through an entire episode of Cortex or upgrade, and at full volume, because I usually use
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AirPods when I'm doing something else around the house, and therefore I want the full volume
01:11:47
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to cover, like the sound of washing dishes or having a vacuum cleaner, that kind of stuff.
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And even at full volume, after going through some 90 minutes of podcast, I still had plenty
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of battery life left. Now, if I do the same, I get the low power chime at some point before
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the podcast ends.
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It's the saddest sound Apple has ever used in their software.
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It's the "I'm dying" sound.
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It makes me feel real bad.
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It feels like a pretty low quality audio file, as well as it sounding sad.
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Well, it has to be a death cry, so of course it has to sound bad.
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And so I was thinking a few days ago, what do I actually want to see in the new AirPods?
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besides support for Siri, which as I said,
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sounds terrible right now, but it's like,
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it sounds like Siri on Bluetooth 1.0.
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Like it sounds really, really bad.
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Yeah, for me at least, I don't know.
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Like when Siri, like when you use Siri on the AirPods,
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does it sound like Siri on the phone for you?
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It sounds so bad for me.
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- Not as good, but I don't think it sounds like garbage,
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but now I'm gonna pay attention to that now.
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Maybe you've ruined it for me.
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- Maybe I just have higher standards than you do.
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- No, the AirPod battery thing, that's a real thing.
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I replaced mine over the summer because I was like,
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they just fell off a cliff and I was--
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- Very unfortunate. - Not the AirPod.
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The battery life-- - How did you do that?
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What, what you see, what you did?
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You go out of cliffs now?
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- I'm just rock climbing all the time with my AirPods.
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That's a terrible idea.
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And I see that a lot on Twitter and people talking
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that the battery life is starting to decline
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these original ones. And that's... you're in a bad spot, right? Like, do you buy them now?
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Or try to like push through until the new ones show up? That's complicated.
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I almost had the half idea of "maybe I should just get new AirPods, I don't want to wait."
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But then it feels like it's 180 euros. Like, they're not cheap. They're expensive and they're
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they're not exactly disposable. So I'm gonna wait, but yes, besides Siri I would
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actually like them to be a bit louder. I don't know if this is because the volume
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has suffered on mine, but if possible I would like them to be a bit louder and to
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have more bass. Yeah, I know that they don't get as loud on
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planes and stuff, I feel like I could always do with a little bit more
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volume than I get so yeah longer battery life because why not I don't know if
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this is possible but I would like at least the case to be easier to clean
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again I don't I don't lint gets in that hinge area yes possible you cannot get
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it out it's it's almost like my lint is made is there for all time just like
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impossible, like you can't remove it. It's wild.
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And finally, it would be really nice if the AirPods could double as a heart rate monitor.
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Somehow, I know there's a patent somewhere for Apple doing this, like using
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earbuds as a heart rate sensor, but I don't know if it is at all possible in the second generation
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AirPods. I would be content with just a louder volume, longer battery life and even the case
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could be optional. Just giving more battery, giving more volume and of course air power support.
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Oh just change, yeah that would be fine. Doesn't need to be specifically for air power.
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Well I could accept that but air power would be preferable.
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provided air power is available. Oh right, your uh... Air power support is useless if there's no air
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power, Matt. Right, you're uh... I'm sorry. An air power truther, as they call them. Yeah, and the truth is
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there's no air power. Well, okay. Wow. Okay. That is the truth. Yeah, the air power was staged in
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Hollywood. Well actually yes, it was almost like in the video. You can see the way that the wind
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affects the cable. You can see that it's all fake. A bunch of fake moon dust all over it.
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Myke, do you have any desires for updated AirPods? What would you have changed in this product,
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if anything? Faster and better device switching. Yes, yes, this is where I am.
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it is very good. I wished it was more. It's just like sometimes I'm like, I feel like I'm waiting
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for a while and honestly I would like to have to never manually switch, right? And I saw this video
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that MKBHD reviewed Federico's favorite headphones, the Sony WH-1000XM3, just rolls off the top.
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And he spoke about like he made reference to being able to like be connected by Bluetooth to multiple devices.
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And when you just press play, I don't know, he made a reference to that.
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I don't know. I don't have these things.
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I think it's Bluetooth five point something or five something that you can have multiple devices connected
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and whatever one you start playing audio on, it will just take over.
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Mine don't do that.
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Have you tried though?
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But do you have devices that support that Bluetooth spec?
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Oh, because the iPhones don't?
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And like, I don't know.
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I don't know. I don't know.
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All I know is like he made reference to this and I would like that.
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I would like that. I would like that.
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If it doesn't exist, I want Apple to do that.
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Like, yes, all my devices are connected and whichever starts playing audio.
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Most recently, my AirPods switch to it.
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Yes, I want that. Make it happen.
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Myke, tell. That's what I want.
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Do something. OK.
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I've done all I can, which is ask for it.
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Um, and what else would I like?
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What if the AirPods could, what if the AirPods could make an appointment to the Genius Bar
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Then, that would be useless for me.
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I would like more than just white.
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I don't know exactly what I want, but I want more options than just white.
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What about green?
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Black, please.
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Maybe, it depends.
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Maybe black, maybe.
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What about indigo?
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But definitely white, more than white.
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Flower power
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You found yes those two
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Indigo and flower power. They're the two color options that I want and also also some way to do native volume adjustment on there
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But on the air. Oh, yes. Yes
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Yeah, it seems like that would always be really super difficult but I would I would really I would really love that
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Is that it? I think so. Do you have no wishes? Oh
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y'all covered mine like
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Faster switching a hoy telephone would be nice, but not a deal breaker for me and I'd love them on black
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What about like?
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Some kind of noise cancelling II think I do not like active noise cancelling and I would turn it off
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I can either and if it was not able to be turned off, I would not buy them. I do not like it
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Yep, I think I'm probably in the same
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I want to try it, but I probably would feel it makes my brain feel fuzzy and a very makes me feel
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Nauseous. Yep
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- Before we wrap up, I just want to, as I forgot to mention this, I've been trying to
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understand after last week's show what porridge actually is, because I got some tweets from
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- It's breakfast risotto.
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- I still don't get it.
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It still looks like breakfast risotto to me, but you made fun of me for saying this, and
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some people on Twitter also did.
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I still don't understand what this is supposed to be.
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- I don't think people were making fun.
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I think people thought it was hilarious.
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Like, it's hilarious.
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So, is it, like, is it sweet?
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Not unless you sweeten it.
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What do you usually put on it?
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A lot of people like honey in it, or like fruit, or like some maybe maple syrup, or
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like brown sugar or something.
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Is it warm or cold?
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You should eat it warm, I think.
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Most people do.
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Okay. I should try it. I wonder if there's any place in Italy where I could order some porridge.
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I'm gonna call "no" on that one, but we'll hook you up. We'll find a way. Next time you travel somewhere else.
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Yes. Next time I'm in London.
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It doesn't really feel like an Italian food, to be honest.
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If you order some porridge for dinner in London, do they look at you like a crazy person?
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Well, yeah, because it's not dinner. It's a breakfast food. What I can do, I can just
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get porridge and make it for you. Interesting. Okay. Okay. And we can do that.
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Okay. Thank you. That was my follow up. Sorry. I'll take us home. If you want to read more
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about the stuff we've talked about this week, find links to these stories. You can head
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over to relay.fm/connected/229. They're also in your podcast app you're listening to. But
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If you go to the website, you can do additional things.
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You can send us an email with any feedback or follow-up,
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or if email is too old-fashioned for you,
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you can do it on Twitter.
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All three of us are there.
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You can find Myke there as I-M-Y-K-E.
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Myke is the host of a bunch of shows here at Relay FM.
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So if you like connected, there's probably something else
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that Myke does that you would like.
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You can find Federico on Twitter.
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Remember, this is where you need to submit proposals,
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written proposals for Animoji, future subjects.
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You can find him there, Evitichi, V-I-T-I-C-C-I.
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Federico is also, of course, the editor-in-chief
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of maxstories.net, a website that you should read
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every single day.
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You can find me on Twitter @ismh,
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and I write over at 512pixels.net.
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I'd like to thank our sponsors this week,
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And until next week boys, say goodbye.
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Arrivederci.
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-Ciurio. -Adios.