The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► goodness John how was your trip to Long [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► Island just lovely [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► do you like the beach I hear you're [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► plugging your phone in i am i'm rolling [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► unified you up and ask me questions so [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► now you get to hear behind-the-scenes i [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► plug in my phone so my charger as well I [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► record it's exciting [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► why why not just do that when you go to [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► pad i do how long of a time span is it [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► between when the podcast and when you go [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► to bed usually you never know [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► vacation was good anything interesting [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► to report you rented a camera would you [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► like to learn ya whole camera right [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► would you like to talk about that at all [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► yeah camera and a bunch of lenses this [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► is marcos recommendation of what camera [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► should rent and the only reason I was [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► doing it all is because my wife is going [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► off on a cruise with her mother which is [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► the thing to do [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► maybe we'll talk about later and she [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► decided that our camera is not good [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► enough [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► she's had too much proximity exposure to [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► Marco's fancy cameras and other people [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► that runs like rubbing off on her so [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► she's like we should get a better camera [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► line on the get about ABC was going on [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► vacation and she wants to have good [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► pictures just like our cameras up to the [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► task I think our cameras plenty of the [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► task but she disagrees so I don't wanna [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► buy no camera but I know Marco rents [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► camera so i asked him about his the [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► camera rental service that he uses and [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► he gave me the URL and suggested a [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► camera that we should rent because we [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► didn't want something as big as Marcus [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► Marcus is not big it's not as big as [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► like that 5dr likes it's not like a [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► giant a full-frame DSLR but yeah it is [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► about as big as a mirrorless camera can [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► get and still be a mirrorless camera [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► still it's so full frame but it doesn't [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► have the mirrors in it to add some [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► clarity here since everybody will be [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► asking the site that I recommended you [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► rent from his lens rentals.com there are [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► a couple other sites that's the 1 i've [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► used a lot over like same here [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► she's I don't know maybe over a decade [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► it i've used for a long time they've [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► been great no complaints I've rented [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► both lenses an entire cameras from [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► they've been great land rentals.com this [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► is not a sponsorship the camera i [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► recommended that you rent is the sony [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► a6300 added it is Sony's new high-end [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► but still crop sensor mirrorless camera [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► runs a little thing like 1,200 bucks [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► something in that range [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► it's it's a very very good camera it's [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► as bad as good as you can get without [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► being a full-frame sensor the camera [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► that i have is the sony a7r to which is [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► a full-frame sensor is a lot more money [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► but is a lot bigger and a lot higher [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► quality images but the day 6300 that I [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► had John rent is incredibly good and i [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► would say if you're looking for [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► America's camera in the like thousand [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► dollar range that seems like it would be [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► a really it should be very high on your [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► list [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► that said I haven't actually used this [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► is all based on review info experience [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► with other sony camera so John how is [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► the a 1600 well looking at it compared [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► to your camera i was surprised to see [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► that there are a couple specs where the [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► smaller lesser camera is better for [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► instance number of photos it can take [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► per second for burst mode is like double [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► the maybe even triple than the highest [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► setting [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► what yours does and i think it had my [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► don't know these texts me like that [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► number of areas of phase detection for [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► auto focus was higher on this thing like [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► this is a couple of attributes make me [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► think this camera in this sensor came [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► out after yours is that the case they [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► did yeah and also when you have a [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► smaller ND i came out i think it was [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► like six months or maybe a year after [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► mine and well yeah I bet between six and [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► nine months i think after month and also [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► when you have a so full frame sensor is [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► a lot larger it's I think it's sixty [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► percent larger by area something like [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► that has double the megapixels two years [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► 4224 so it's close to double right right [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► and so when you have a larger sensor and [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► you have more pixels it is it is much [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► harder to make the surrounding [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► electronics able to deal with the sensor [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► dumping like a hundred photos a second [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► off of it and so usually the smaller [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► sensors will have higher slo-mo video [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► frame rates and higher bursts per second [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► capacity simply because there's a lot [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► less data deal to deal with and that has [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► to be pulled off that sensor and the [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► reason we weren't looking at marcos [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► camera specifically is not particularly [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► because it's too expensive because all i [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► do is we're going to rent it but just [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► because it's big and you know we're [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► going from as much smaller it's all [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► relative of all much smaller much [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► lighter Cameron on interchangeable lens [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► camera always have super zooms and [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► they're all made of plastics a very [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► light [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► and they're they're small and you're [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► gonna be walking all over Europe maybe [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► you don't want to go right from a small [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► light camera to something that's bigger [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► market again it's not as big as a as a [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► full-frame DSLR but still pretty big and [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► that whether the magnesium aluminum body [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► is not as heavy is like a steel body or [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► something but it's way heavier than a [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► plastic one [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► so this is a kind of a good choice for [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► like it's going to take good pictures [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► but it's really it's a very small body [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► like it's so small that a lot of the [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► lens is like comic like a lot of the [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► sony looks like they want the NEX series [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► and all that they always look like the [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► lens was too big for the body because so [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► many maybes very small it's what you can [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► do with mirrorless cameras and very [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► small looking bodies with pretty good [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► sensors in them sometimes to a fault is [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► my brother has one of the earlier so [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► amazing it was very often difficult to [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► hold them like to find a place where you [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► could grip them and Sony was making them [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► kind of like the PlayStation controllers [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► like little pieces of art made of like [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► conical section is an ideal solid stuff [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► instead of saying no you have to have to [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► make it grippy so that's why when i use [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► marcos camera when I first saw it I was [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► happy to see that Sony has learned hey [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► you should put grippy stuff on the part [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► where you grip it like nice grippy [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► rubber you know like camera grip stuff [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► if you make the whole thing is smooth [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► beautiful rectangle with a little bulge [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► it falls out of your hand and you're set [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► so the ac360 like a shrunken version of [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► Marcos is very small [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► it's still relatively heavy but most of [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► the weight is in the lenses if you use a [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► larger lens lenses i got was that the [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► silly little kit lens that comes with [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► which is like a everybody was like 15 to [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► 50 or something power zoom like that [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► yeah something like that it's a it's a [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► it's a very small zoom range is a very [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► compact lens and it doesn't seem to be [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► very good and I got a 50 millimeter [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► prime and I got a what was it 30 to 140 [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► to 150 him all these were sony branded [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► lenses that's another possibility with [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► these things is that supposedly the sony [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► can take third-party lenses and do auto [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► focus on them but Marcos has the [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► advantage that all the image [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► stabilization stuff is in the body not [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► in the lens is this correct I'm not [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► that's right well it's both I mean the [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► lot of the lenses have it but but yet it [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► mine has in body stabilization right and [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► this one doesn't so realize somewhat on [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► its ability to work with lens [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► but as a bunch of adapters for the [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► lenses stuff anyway just got so many [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► lenses and use the vacation normally on [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► my long island vacations I take pictures [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► and rest of the family hanging around [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► the beach but i also take a lot of [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► pictures of my family playing in the [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► ocean and when I take those pictures i'm [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► usually up to my knees or my waist in [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► the ocean and the ocean waves in the [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► surf and that's not a really good place [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► to be with an expensive camera [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► I've always assumed that one year the [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► wave will get me and i will drop my [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► camera but as I don't know we're going [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► on five years ten years so far has not [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► gotten me and the streak continues but i [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► plan to not even bring the fancy camera [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► to the ocean because I was like well you [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► know i'll use that one for all the [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► pictures except the ocean pictures and [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► also by the way my super zoom is 600 [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► millimeter zoom it's ridiculous like it [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► helps me get when the surface like far [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► I can be up to my knees and they can be [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► away for I can still get close-ups oh [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► really i really like my camera my [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► superstar by the way is the canon fz200 [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► but when it came down to it I taking so [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► many pictures with the sony I didn't [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► want to leave at home so I brought to [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► the beach with me in fact that both [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► cameras to the beach I took a bunch of [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► pictures with my other camera like you [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► know what I could probably take a few of [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► the sony may go a little deeper and [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► makeup money's going to let you know i [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► did the main thing was holding back on [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► sunday with the zoom is just not that [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► was all hundred and five millimeters [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► it's not it wasn't getting me close [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► enough it was so some of the pictures [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► are kind of already but then he gets 24 [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► megapixels compared to whatever 12 or [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► whatever my other thing is I could drop [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► a lot of them to get the same image [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► quality out of it but I kept it out of [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► the ocean [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► I think I got a couple of drops of water [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► splashed on it but none on the lens I'm [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► pretty good at staying away from all [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► that and protecting the camera and the [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► results are really nice and really liked [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► it and she's definitely gonna bring it [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► on vacation the only decision I have now [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► is whether we're going to rent it again [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► for her vacation or just buy it [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► yeah i mean so first of all I should [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► point out that lens rentals has an [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► incredibly broad insurance to add on [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► that you can buy so that would cover i [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► think it would cover your ocean fears [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► that you have to pay ten percent still I [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► paid for like whatever the most [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► expensive insurance was against damage [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► and theft but even if the worst happens [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► you still have to pay ten percent and I [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► had like was like a six-hundred-dollar [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► lens $150 lands a hundred-dollar lens [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► and a thousand-dollar body or whatever [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► soda ten percent of that is still [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► something I didn't want to pay so how [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► many wins did you say you rented just [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► three just the prime zoom and the little [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► kit lens thing because i didn't know [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► which one I would end up using more of [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► it as it turns out what I ended up using [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► was almost never use the little kit lens [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► you think because I had to optically [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► better lenses with me and the indoors i [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► use the prime because it was the it was [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► a tough one point it was the one that [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► took the best light pictures & outdoors [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► i use the zoom even though is relatively [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► huge just because it gave me the most [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► flexibility and in all fairness your [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► battle between like the reach of the [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► super zoom and the quality of the of the [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► nice camera in all fairness I did [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► recommend that you consider the sony [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► rx10 which is it's super zoom but it's [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► not doesn't have the same reaches this [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► one like I'm gonna get a super zoom not [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► gonna get one that stops at 400 or [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► something whatever they are extended to [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► maybe does go to 600 or some other [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► aspect of it was worse than my camera I [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► think the most recent one actually might [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► go out that far it got a pretty big [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► update run but it doesn't it's not have [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► 2.3 the whole zoom range like like this [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► thing is no that's pretty rare I mean it [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► basically to achieve that you have to [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► have a very small sensor now all them i [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► do so anyway I'm like this it is not not [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► only is there no sony superzoom that i [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► can get at any price that I feel like [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► has better feature set university better [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► than the 1i have but there's no [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► panasonic on the panasonic updated my [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► camera to and made it worse like from [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► for my purposes but anyway be that [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► there's a problem with the zoom lens is [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► the problem all the sony lenses is that [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► I don't know the ones get expensive [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► really fast [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► there's no sort of maybe I could talk to [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► you about what lens i should have [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► actually buy this thing but there's no [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► reasonably expensive zoom lens above [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► like a hundred something only their [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► resume like forget about 600 forget [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► about 400 i think i can get like a 404 [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► twelve-thousand dollars that's something [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► yeah well the moment so you know the [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► problems like what you're looking at [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► here is you're looking at a lens system [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► that spans from prosumer to really like [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► low to mid-range pro [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► the sony full-frame sensors like that [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► the a 7-series have become very popular [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► very quickly among high end users and [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► that you know we can have lots of [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► debates over like whether they are [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► considered pro cameras or not but it's [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► kinda like you know asking like whether [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► the ipad is a computer like you know [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► whether or not their pro cameras by some [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► people's definitions they are still [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► being used by a lot of pros for [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► professional use it doesn't really [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► matter whether you think they're for a [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► camera or not because they are just [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► incredibly good incredibly compelling it [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► for a lot of reasons anyway so the [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► problem is that when you have these [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► large very dense very high-quality [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► sensors you need really good lens glass [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► in front of those to be able to resolve [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► enough detail to really take advantage [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► of what those sensors have to offer and [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► so when you can look at your little [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► super zoom zooms and super zooms you [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► know they they sacrifice a lot of image [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► quality and optical quality to be able [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► to put a large zoom range into a [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► relatively compact and relatively [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► inexpensive body that's that's not [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► really possible to you know it's like [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► something has to give their if you're [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► gonna have to serve a very large nice [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► sensor with lots of megapixels of detail [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► and not have a bunch of distortion in [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► the images I mean some of that you can [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► correct with software but you know still [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► try to avoid it you can then you have to [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► either shorten the range in order to [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► have less glass that needs to be in [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► place to get that high-quality image [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► onto this high-quality sensor without [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► distorting or you have to put just a ton [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► of glass in front of that thing [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► tons of like highly engineered you know [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► lens elements and is very expensive very [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► large very heavy lenses and so it's just [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► as this trade-off between all these [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► different factors of like well if you [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► want to have something that is small and [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► light and probably cheap and also has [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► big zoom range [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► it can't have good optical quality and [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► if you want something that is small with [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► top-quality you should really be [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► probably using a prime if you want [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► something large with good optical [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► quality and and you have a lot on the [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► unlimited budget and you know you don't [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► mind carrying his giant heavy lenses the [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► lens you see in the new high-end sony [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► every lineup that's the market they're [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► targeting the targeting like the Canon L [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► Series [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► and stuff and whatever that the nikon I [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► figured with my compro ones are called [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► they're targeting that market like pro [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► photographers the people you see on the [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► sidelines of like sports games the giant [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► white lenses like they're targeting that [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► market now because they're their cameras [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► are so good to turn to be using that [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► kind of industry which is pretty [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► impressive for mirrorless to begin with [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► but anyway so for what you're looking [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► for your you should probably honestly [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► consider the rx10 they're super zoom or [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► at least only use your only consider [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► using the sony for four occasions in [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► which you don't really need massive [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► reach of of a telephoto zoom because [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► that's just like you're looking at a [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► market that is designed for very [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► different needs and optimizing for very [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► different factors in that trade-off of [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► lens design you're trying to get out of [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► that market like like you know a 16 [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► millimeter lens like try to find a [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► second millimeter Canon L lens and you [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► will see quite how you not quite what [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► this what this kind of quality was kind [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► of market is like it's you know they get [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► pretty ridiculous pretty fast i would [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► say this is kind of like your mac pro vs [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► gaming pc think you kind of want the [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► impossible i have added this high-end [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► thing but what you really actually need [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► is a low anthem now there's no 2000 a [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► mac pro quo woman that's 2,000 a micro [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► is perfect because I did everything but [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► now I'm like what i learned the vacation [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► is that I'm willing to give up the zoom [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► range for the better quality because [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► first of all with the Prime this can [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► take pictures and doors that nothing [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► else I have to take was the reason I [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► never wanted to get high on camera [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► because you get you started your like [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► well now I can't go back how can you go [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► back from using you know a reasonably [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► good camera for indoor photography that [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► you can't go back because do you not at [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► all the pictures other pictures are [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► garbage indoors because there's no light [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► and your phone can't get the light and [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► nothing else can and you know so and [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► then at the beach when I had the choice [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► between both cameras that have them both [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► right there by using both of them [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► eventually by the last day we are at the [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► ocean didn't even take out the panasonic [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► voltages sony the whole time you know [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► and by that i forgot [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► then I was brave enough to go in the [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► water with it and I didn't mind the fact [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► that i was a little bit farther away [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► because the the you know had more [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► megapixels and I could crop them i [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► really needed to but in the end even if [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► I was a little bit farther away the [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► increased image quality was worth it to [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► I mean so maybe like a little bit bigger [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► zoom American you know I'll shop around [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► like I'm looking series lenses now [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► they're 500 millimeters you're right [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► that the signal is when the lens is [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► white Runaways probably like a rhyme [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► about with the lens is white the price [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► is not right that 500 millimeter at for [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► gsm whatever those letters stand for [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► 12,900 and otters so i don't think i'll [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► be skipping that lens there's also the [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► size of a truck like you can it's also a [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► bad sign when the lens itself is the [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► thing that amount of the tripod and not [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► the camera because of a camera just [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► hanging off the end of lens [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► these are all bad signs for your budget [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► with 300 millimeter 14 only 7500 anyway [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► probably just end up getting this camera [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► with the kit lens and a prime and then [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► save up for resume because I mean I [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► enjoyed it that much I get it was it was [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► heavier but not that much heavier and [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► the socks size wise it was ok for [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► economically and you I was I felt [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► something cameras have a long way to go [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► like every I recognize this is a big [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► improvement over the old sony says that [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► my brother had an older one like this is [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► this is better doesn't have a [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► touchscreen which would help but camera [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► manufacturers need to need to get over [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► the idea that the the best way to [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► arrange all your options is in a big [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► linear list over a series of screens [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► like this one has tabs and then within [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► each tabs there's a number line like [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► search results that has seven screens is [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► a bunch of texts things like that's not [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► it it's organized kind of but you can [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► imagine a much better UI to organize the [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► scriptures i can never remember where [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► the hell's the feature this thing like [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► they weren't organized in a logical way [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► than like these are the camera settings [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► through the ones under gear these are [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► settings but not camera-related set it's [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► just too terrible organization but at [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► least we've gotten on the BMW pages said [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► look we put a bunch of buttons on this [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► thing and most cameras do this but [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► apparently some reason bad about this in [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► the past we have a bunch of buttons you [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► can program the whole do anything you [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► want we printed something next to the [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► buttons thats have little to no [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► abbreviations to tell you what they do [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► by default but if you don't like that [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► you can make anybody do anything for the [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► most part which is another business [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► innovation what you want this button to [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► scroll through this list of literally 70 [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► options and finally think it's really [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► terrible at everything cameras want to [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► do on-camera like there's a tablet saps [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► just know Sony there are no apps that i [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► want to run [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► your camera to take pictures may be on [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► camera convert to jpeg which by the way [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► that doesn't even do is just the wrong [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► as you have to pull off but everything [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► else [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► wait what it doesn't convert to you [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► can't do like in-camera conversion where [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► you shoot in raw and then filled with it [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► and then do a conversion 2.jpg before [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► you pull it off oh okay I see you mean [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► you can shoot j+ for all you should roll [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► out your JPEG but a lot of cameras have [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► a thing where you shoot in raw and that [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► on the camera screw with the whatever [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► you're going to screw with to get that [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► you know pull out the detail from the [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► shadows and blah blah blah and then just [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► pull off jpegs that are burned in like [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► that why would you want to do that [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► ok let's save to save room that you know [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► because that's another thing like now I [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► understand why my brother has the [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► problem that he can't use iCloud library [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► because he has more than one terabyte of [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► my photos and why is that more than one [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► terabyte photos because he shoots wrong [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► on this little sunny and so yeah the [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► each of these rows like 25 megsie [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► compared to like yeah 3 or 4 Meg's in [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► jpg and even smaller and so I I feel the [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► 64 gig card and a little bit of another [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► card [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► yeah i mean in all fairness buying a [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► larger SD card is probably a lot easier [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► and they're pretty cheap now then having [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► to fiddle with like taking up space on [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► the camera because the other thing too [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► is like a larger SD card is is a [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► credible easily you know pretty easily [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► thing what is not so easy is to get [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► these cameras battery so last very long [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► when the screens are on and expense I [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► mean that's one thing like Sony i love [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► my camera I love almost everything about [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► it but the battery life is embarrassing [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► and I have like all these different [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► power saving tips like it has Wi-Fi but [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► you can put it in airplane mode from the [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► wife III did that immediately as soon as [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► I think this out-of-the-box yeah my [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► camera has always been an airplane mode [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► hit me because the battery like this so [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► bad i do all the help I can get it to [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► turn the back screen on sunny day mode [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► you have yours I'm sure you don't have [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► yours in sunny day mode because sunday [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► morning reads means max brightness on [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► the screen that's what any of that [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► because it was a sunny day at the beach [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► otherwise I couldn't see a thing and i [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► would use if you find a long time I i [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► usually when I'm shooting i will almost [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► always be using the optical viewfinder [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► just because I prefer the additional [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► detail and I'm able to see just because [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► it is closer to my and there's an [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► the outside light coming in and [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► everything else so anyway so yeah I mean [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► I honestly i recommend possibly giving [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► up on the idea zooms for the most part [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► because honestly like the trade-off is [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► so big in terms of you know quality or [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► size and and money like like you can get [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► zooms that are you know and this is [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► there's only very few of them that this [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► is true for but you can get zooms that [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► are about as good as as most primes they [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► do exist but their massive heavy and [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► very expensive and there aren't that [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► many of them most zooms you're giving up [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► a lot of quality to get that soon [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► flexibility and you know if you think [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► about like when you shoot with your [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► iphone you have a prime on there except [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► for the next you know large iphone plus [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► it's gonna have the optical zoom but so [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► you know when you shoot with your iphone [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► you're shooting with effectively a [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► 35-millimeter prime and you've been [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► shooting with that 35-millimeter primary [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► iphone for the last like a seven years [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► or whatever [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► however long as well you haven't John [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► everyone else haha you know it's been [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► awhile and and we've gotten used to that [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► and it's fine and it turns out that when [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► you just have like a decent prime in the [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► wide to normal range you can get pretty [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► much all of your photography done that [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► way but you know most of the time and [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► it's great and the trade-off is worth it [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► like well if you have a prime here that [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► you can make this a much smaller and [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► cheaper and have higher quality and [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► same thing is true for any size camera [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► anybody listening if you have a an SLR [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► anything with interchangeable lenses if [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► you don't have a prime lens which means [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► it's fixed one focal length of you that [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► you can't zoom it's zoom with your feet [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► if you have if you don't have a prime [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► lens whatever camera system you own get [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► the cheap 50-millimeter prime lens for [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► it there is it is almost every camera [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► system has something like this where it [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► is 50 millimeter or whatever the [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► equivalent is for your sensor size [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► usually it's f 1.8 and usually it's like [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► a hundred bucks in that range it's it's [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► fairly inexpensive for allen's the [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► optical quality you can get out of those [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► is it just kicks the butts of zoom [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► lenses it so and you know that looked [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► like you were saying earlier John you [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► that's the one you said you were saying [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► you were using indoors because when [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► you're indoors or when you're you know [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► when it [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► not that much light you can really get a [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► lot of light in there and even you have [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► lots of light the sharpness and the [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► color and then just the optical quality [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► that you get out of these lenses is [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► amazing because they can be so much [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► simpler than resume like just there's [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► fewer elements the elements you know [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► they can afford to get higher quality [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► optics in there at that price point when [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► you don't have all those elements to to [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► zoom things are to have a weird [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► we're perspective or the extreme you [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► know wider extreme narrow primes are [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► just so nice like I found that even when [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► I have a big camera i spend the vast [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► majority of my time using primes and [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► even when i've used zooms I mostly have [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► not liked the pictures that i get from [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► them the primes are just so much better [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► and so I I urge anybody with cameras out [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► there to consider just shooting with [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► crimes because it really is incredible [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► and there are situations where you were [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► you quote need a zoom but I bet there's [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► a lot fewer of those and you expect and [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► for a lot of camera owners you basically [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► never had the basement ever have those [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► and a lot of those can be covered by [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► renting yeah so we're going on a trip [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► soon and I have rented a lens from once [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► rentals.com i did so few days ago [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► because i also used on trend also [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► probably less frequently i rented a 35 [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► 100 millimeter zoom for micro four [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► thirds camera and I did that because I [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► want to be able to be a creeper he's [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► clearly i want to be able to capture [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► what I mean by that is that with my own [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► family Oh God taken out of context that [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► sounds terrible but that's good to know [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► what i mean by that is so if we are all [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► at a beach or for all in in a rented [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► house together so it's only people i [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► know i don't want to have to get up in [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► somebody's face in order to take a [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► really good picture that i want to be [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► able to be across the room where they [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► don't even know I'm taking a picture so [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► it's a lot more natural but that being [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► said generally speaking the only lens [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► that has ever on my camera is a 25 [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► millimeter I have no idea what the [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► equivalent of that is in a SLR but it's [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► a 25 millimeter i think it is a 50 [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► equivalent it your pictures look like 50 [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► pictures okay so it's a 20-millimeter f [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► 1.4 that Sean blanc had recommended and [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► it is very expensive it was like six [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► hundred dollars but it is a unbelievably [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► phenomenally good lens to my eye and [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► don't know crap about the stuff and if I [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► ever take a decent picture it's because [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► I've got lucky and because of this lens [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► and I rented this zoom just like Marco [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► said because i want to have something to [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► take the pictures you know maybe in the [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► surf or something like John was [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► describing or or take pictures from [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► across the room but generally speaking I [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► never bother with a zoom and I do have [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► the kids oom for this Olympus camera [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► that I have and it's freaking terrible i [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► can't give up on resume that like the [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► one I was using this is a cheap so much [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► like six hundred dollars 18 2 105 [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► millimeter sony zoom lens it's for its [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► for the aps-c format is not a full-frame [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► a lens so maybe that's why it's cheaper [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► and I was really happy with the pictures [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► it took outdoors in the bright sunlight [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► on the beach in the same reason cases [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► that I'm most of the time I like to have [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► candid pictures and either i don't want [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► to or can't get close so like people are [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► all around i can't get close to them if [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► i do they start acting weird so i have [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► to go over there for far out on the [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► water like they see you coming with the [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► camera and they all turn and smile and [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► ham it up and I like candid pictures [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► better and so I can capture them like [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► the hundred million resume is enough for [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► like in it [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► outdoor gathering of people to get close [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► enough to get groups of people as if [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► you're right next some of that being on [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► next time the surface a little bit [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► little bit low but again i can i can [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► crop and I mean to my eye [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► obviously the the aperture wasn't like [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► it was on the prime likes you couldn't [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► you know open up super wide and get the [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► entire you know background nice and [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► blurred and everything sharpen and maybe [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► that and I had you know I did little to [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► f 1.8 50-millimeter prime that tomorrow [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► starting at cheap but good but I mostly [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► outdoors i use the big zoom and i [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► thought i would be bothered by how darn [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► big it is but it was i was able to [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► wrangle it fairly easily and I felt like [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► it was worth it like that's that's lens [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► believe about the end up using the most [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► i thought of using the prime minister [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► but I end up using this fairly large [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► doing the most so I don't want to maybe [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► i'll just get that same lens only six [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► hundred dollars but in the beginning I [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► probably just get that the Prime and and [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► the kit lens our mail by the body [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► without lens and just get the prime for [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► it just to save some money i don't have [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► to decide yet responsive this week by [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► Casper and obsessively engineered [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► mattress and shockingly fair price to [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► Casper calm / ATP and use code ATP for [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► fifty dollars towards [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► your mattress Casper creative one [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► perfect mattress sold directly to you [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► eliminating Commission driven inflated [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► prices at mattress stores this [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► award-winning mattress was developed [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► in-house by Casper has a sleek design is [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► delivered in a remarkably small box you [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► can get it up narrow stairs almost like [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► a small file cabinet box and now in [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► addition of the mattress they also offer [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► adaptive pillow and soft breathable [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► sheets Casper is revolutionising the [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► high markup mattress industry by cutting [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► the cost of dealing with resellers and [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► showrooms and pass the savings directly [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► onto you an in-house team of engineers [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► spent thousands of hours developing the [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► Casper mattress it combines springy [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► latex and supportive memory foams for [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► sleep service with just the right sink [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► and just the right pounds plus it's [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► breathable design sleep school to help [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► you regulate your temperature throughout [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► the night especially important in the [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► summertime now the catcher mattress is a [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► shockingly fair price premium mattresses [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► usually cost fifteen hundred dollars or [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► more and that can be a lot more but [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► Catherine mattress cost just 500 for [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► twin 754 full 854 queen and 954 King [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► these prices are awesome for premium [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► mattress that's like half the price of a [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► similar quality mattress and every [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► Castle mattress is made right here in [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► America now Casper has made buying [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► mattresses online easy as you might [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► think why would you want to buy matters [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► online how do you know if it's going to [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► be any good for you [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► well they have free delivery and free [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► returns with a 100 night home trial it [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► it's very very simple there's no risk [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► here if you don't love it they will pick [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► it up at your house and give you a full [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► refund within a hundred Knights [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► understand the importance is truly [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► sleeping on a mattress before you commit [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► especially considering to be spending a [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► third of your life on it so get yours [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► today and try it for a hundred Knights [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► in your own home free delivery and free [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► returns if you don't like it with home [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► pick up completely risk-free go to [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► Casper calm / ATP and use code ATP for [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► fifty dollars towards your mattress [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► thanks for Catherine for sponsoring our [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► our days Marco of lording over John and [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► feeling superior to him I'm sad to say [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► they're over because John now has a blue [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► checkmark oh I was afraid you're going [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► to see you finally got a new computer [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► oh god no come on let's talk everyday kc [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► ya John congrats on your blue checkmark [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► my friend my computer still better than [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► yours too crazy [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► mmm is it doesn't crash that was waiting [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► for that's why I didn't say anything [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► because I knew that was coming before we [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► go to check marks what is the status of [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► the computer has has the problem [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► recurred it has not and i haven't lost [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► power for let's see six days 14 hours 20 [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► minutes still stock ramen it is your [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► computer plugged into the UPS yes no [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► it's not because you want to reboot it [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► that's what because I wanted to I wanted [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► to keep this damn run going [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► I it has not lost power is not rebooted [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► it say does still have the OEM ram [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► minutes so i am still perhaps perhaps [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► unfairly I'm still convinced it's the [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► mac sales ram ok [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► no you should get a get on getting that [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► replace then I did you well I wanted [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► memtest x64 thing that does like the [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► SuperDuper thorough ran tests i did not [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► see six come on whatever side but that's [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► what that's what i said in my head but [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► my mouth did something different [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► your section not a pc nerd every pc here [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► knows that is what i said in my head but [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► the words came out differently it's [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► pronounced 1086 now what did I actually [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► say that XD cool i was probably thinking [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► uh you know the modern instruction set [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► every hand a memory test [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► so anyway the point is this is still [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► going strong on the on the OEM ram and [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► whenever this thing decides to reboot [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► itself or I lose power text or after [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► like two to four weeks I've decided what [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► i consider to be a long enough run then [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► at that point i will officially start [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► the arm a process with Maxwell's didn't [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► you have to install the the 10 whatever [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► 6 update recently the the really [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► critical security updates with the image [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► parsing i recall i know what you talk [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► about our qualified it or not you should [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► do that if you have yeah alright i'll i [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► will see it maybe I'll just did not use [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► my computer for the next week [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► it's what I don't have to reboot it I [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► don't see what happens but anyway I so [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► to come back on point John you are [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► verified congratulations you are a [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► sellout just like me [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► we are not good enough like Marco to [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► have had received our check marks [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► without solicitation in all fairness I [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► did basically asked for it just not [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► doing it [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► yeah yeah I guess it's just the normal [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► version of the same thing but most [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► importantly now we are the fully [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► verified podcast obviously so as I [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► analog for that matter any more fully [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► verified podcaster happening now let's [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► just put there by the way you know so i [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► got my check mark 42 did not get his [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► brown did not get hers so there's still [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► day [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► Renee didn't get it nope use your [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► generator just hasn't heard back to know [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► he got rejected rejected don't the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► world's coming to and what the hell's [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► going on anyway still massive injustice [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► in this world there is for those of us [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► who don't actually need it on this [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► podcast guess what we got it makes no [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► oh and people ask me if I'm going to [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► change my bio that I complained about [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► mostly in reqtest about having to write [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► this silly bio now I'm afraid to change [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► because I'm afraid of change all this [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► magic mark so i decided to leave the [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► Siller silly embarrassing bio there [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► forever or maybe to like give it a year [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► and then it's safe for me to change it i [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► don't know [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► so do i have to be influenced or forever [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► I think you can change it i just i'm not [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► sure if you make it go away if they'll [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► get upset because part of what you have [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► to do to have a right exact mark is to [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► is to have a bio the funny thing about [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► this whole experience for me is that I [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► have apparently become I don't know how [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► to put this maybe I I've become like the [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► litmus test for like Oh Casey got [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► verified of course insert person here [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► should totally be verified so I saw that [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► about Renee is all that about federico [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► dude [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► Casey got verified little bit worse this [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► person should be verified so that that's [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► my new claim to fame I should change my [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► bio I'm that guy you couldn't believe [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► got verified that's me [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► you just have to find someone who you [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► think is even less deserving of being [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► verified and then you just point to them [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► yeah right whatever but yes I get to see [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► those tweets flyby like everything have [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► every few hours dude Renee didn't get [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► his thing I can't believe that Casey got [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► one call my favorite things like Howard [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► people are [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► just like back and insulting you like [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► this they feel the need to add to [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► mention you to average actually except [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► that that's what sure like okay if you [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► want to think that I mean knowing me [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► i'll probably find it an advantage [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► research because hello little least have [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► the decency not to not to mention me [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► oh yeah ok so we are the fully verified [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► podcast and that's very exciting right [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► moving on I where is tip these days [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► Marco I don't know how to pronounce the [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► more specific location however the [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► general location is France [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► fair enough yeah my dad took my wife is [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► on vacation for the week so I am solo [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► parenting this week how's that going on [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► well I mean it's only been like three [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► days so far so for these three days it's [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► been totally fine but there's four more [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► something like that yeah so there's [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► still a while ago i'm mainly finding it [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► challenging that like like last night [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► you know so is the last night was sunday [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► night and he he's in he's in like a [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► school day camp just like that you know [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► de Kamp is preschool the summertime I i [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► have to pack his lunch every day and I [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► realized last night like a big part of [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► what we pack is fruit of some kind like [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► you know raspberries or strawberries or [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► something and there was just nothing in [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► the fridge we had none and he was [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► already in bed [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► it was like ten o'clock at night oh also [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► Marco doesn't know where food comes from [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► no I would usually comes from me going [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► shopping for it but I can't leave the [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► house with him that's your shopping with [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► the kid [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► imagine that yeah that's what we did [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► today but yeah it's just there's just [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► little things like that that you know [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► like I had to realizing oh when you have [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► two parents in the house one of them can [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► leave and go go run an errand and you [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► don't go to jail you know so it's it so [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► it's been a slight learning experience [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► like that but otherwise yeah things are [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► going pretty feel like I've had it [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► before alone just think is the longest [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► span that we've ever had and see the [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► chatroom see this is this is a rookie [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► mistake here so a sip in the chat room [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► has suggested that I go food shopping [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► while he is a camp that is an [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► interesting idea [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► sip I thought of that however then after [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► school in the six hours before he goes [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► to bed [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► that's one less thing we could do [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► we have a whole week here the whole week [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► so we get any any area that i can run [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► with him i'm going to run with him [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► yep i know those fields and that [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► actually segways someone nicely into a [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► brief follow-up I wanted to discuss [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► which was a friend of the show [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► underscore David Smith came down to [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► visit on Friday evening into Saturday [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► morning we watch The Hunt for Red [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► October together because it's one of the [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► best movies the entire world come at me [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► and then saturday morning which is I [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► think you guys do sunday Marco but in [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► the landless household we do a saturday [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► morning into into naptime daddy time and [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► Dave join me on this and we took his [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► Tesla to cars and coffee [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► it was underscore in Declan myself and [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► we took the Tesla cars & coffee and it [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► was funny because I had promised him [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► that we would try to find the [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► self-organizing group of Tesla's that [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► always shows up there's typically three [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► or four of them i even saw a Model X [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► there two to one or two times ago which [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► was surprising but anyway we showed up [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► in the Tesla and i drove there which I [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► was slightly perturbed by only because I [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► felt like this was Dave's big moment and [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► you know here it is you can get out of [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► his car and be like yes well this is so [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► not underscore style but yes look at me [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► in my Tesla this is mine and I'm proud [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► of it but instead it's me instead it was [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► me who got out of the driver's seat and [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► of course we we stepped out of the jar I [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► stepped on the driver's seat within i [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► kid you not 15 seconds somebody came [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► running over to ask questions and I [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► basically threw my hands in the air and [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► wave them like I just don't get no I [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► threw my hands in the air instead dude [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► it's his car [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► you should ask him about it but yeah it [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► made quite a splash people quite liked [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► yeah we were packed in as you do because [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► I'm not an animal and I was back in [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► against maserati so it was pretty [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► interesting but it was funny how many [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► people were just completely impressed by [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► and and interested in the Tesla and [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► perhaps even more surprisingly really [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► loved the rear jump seats they really [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► thought three jumps were interesting to [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► the point that I i think it was a kid it [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► was like 15 18 year-old something like [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► that to ask if he could jump in the [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► jumpseat just to see how they have a [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► fail how they felt which underscore [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► because he's a nice man alive was like [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► sure definitely definitely feel free but [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► it was funny and underscore is is [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► hysterical watching him do this because [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► he's like the most easygoing guy [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► meanwhile i wouldn't be able to hide the [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► fact that my you know my plumage had [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► come out in full force if you will if it [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► were me but underscores just like [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► announce the thing is he's just so much [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► better than I am now he's way cooler [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► than all of us yet pretty much what a [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► nice car though I kind of a mad at him [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► now because I've forgotten how much I [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► hate my car i had forgotten how much I [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► hate my car and then I drove his test [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► again and now I hate my car again that [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► you have a very nice car just the test [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► was better i have a wonderful car truly [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► do but a kind of test so nice i saw [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► white m3 today and thought you know [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► thanks buddy anyone or an older one that [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► was the last generation the one that you [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► like but it was the fucking door like [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► converter i think it was convertible is [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► at least two door so it's like the weird [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► one snap question I know we're not [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► really in the neutral part of the show [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► but I have to ask friend friend of the [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► show who will remain nameless has been [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► debating between m2 and boxster s what [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► do you think so with the caveat that [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► driven either i would say I mean those [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► are very different cars like the boxer [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► is like you know it's convertible I [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► assume right because the kid that came [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► asking everyone so yes okay it's [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► convertible it's probably smaller if I [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► had to take a guess I would guess the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► box was probably more expensive it is [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► why are you waffling there's an obvious [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► answer air Marco finish the thought that [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► I want to hear the obvious answer so get [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► the m2 that's not it is not the answer [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► the correct answer first of all don't [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► get the new generation boxer like the [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► one with the the turbo engine get the [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► previous generation boxster if it's [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► still on sales not get like it used one [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► that's the obvious choice [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► it's so much better than the m2 and [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► every possible the car will make you [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► happier because if you're shopping for [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► him to or boxer you're not looking for [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► like going something to all the [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► groceries of the kids get the previous [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► generation non turbo charged boxer well [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► so again having driven none of these two [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► cars and now the third about to mention [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► why get the boxster when you can get the [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► Cayman isn't the Cayman better in every [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► way and has all the same advantage of [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► the boxer this person once i Convertible [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► obviously the shopping boxer mix [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► convertible the top comes that's a big [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► difference if you're shopping horrible [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► you're not confused about whether you [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► you want to convert you want to [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► convertible nobody wants a convertible [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► people like them [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► no no but it's not convertible it's it's [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► one of those decisions that you should [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► choose to sway people away from like no [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► you trust me you don't want to [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► convertible how their this well this [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► person wants one and I think it's fine [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► and the box the box was just a more [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► special car yes it is more expensive the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► M two is a good car if you're shopping [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► like em two verses m3 then we're gonna [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► have a real discussion but it was them [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► to vs. box or no contest boxer previous [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► gen yeah i know you want to wear socks [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► with sandals but trust me you don't want [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► to wear socks with sandals you don't [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► want to convertible convertibles are not [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► sauce and fun experiences but I'm [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► talking about like Jaguar convertible [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► from the eighties that are going to leak [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► water all over you and short out that [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► modern convertibles are fine not there [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► they're never find out about [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► convertibles a fine car in general I'd [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► really do like convertibles but yeah [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► this particular individual let's just [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► say that they're always on vacation so [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► it would make sense for this particular [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► individual to be shopping a convertible [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► but anyway um yeah I was just curious [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► like years ago in like 10 2005 I a [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► friend of a friend had a Boxster S this [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► is when they're still pretty new and i [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► drove that box dress and I got in that [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► car thinking others just an imposter 911 [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► I'm gonna hate this piece of garbage and [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► all my god did I loved it it was [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► phenomenally good i was stunned i could [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► see all the non s boxer would be kind of [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► a dog and kind of boring but man the box [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► dress was nice this way back no.5 I [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► haven't driven them to there is a friend [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► at work that has m235i that i have yet [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► to drive without he promised me I could [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► at some point and this obviously it's [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► just that but more but yeah that the old [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► boxers anyway super nice i'm curious to [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► see how this new one is we are all [TS]

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00:42:57 ◼   ► follow-up on the neutral thing [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► apparently the 2016 model is the bad [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► boxer it's when they added 17 to the [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► public-facing name the Porsche 718 [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► boxster that's 2016 model don't get that [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► one you want the 2015 boxster which [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► doesn't have a number in the name it [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► does have a number 98 one is that the [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► number behind the scenes but it's just [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► called boxer so it's confusing i know [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► because karma is always on they do look [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► very similar but the 2016 one with the [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► turbo four-cylinder engine thumbs down [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► so we thought the neutral part of the [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► show was over but turns out it's not [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► apple was hired somebody from QX which [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► is interesting so qnx is a company that [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► makes an operating system also called [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► qnx and that operating system [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► I understand to run a bunch of embedded [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► systems not least of which is [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► so is it the entertainment system in [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► cars or is it the actual like ECU and [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► cars [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► I don't think it's well it might be the [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► ECU but i think what did its most known [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► for its like that the reason you people [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► care economics at all is because it's a [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► real-time operating system so you would [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► never need a real-time operating system [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► to run like your infotainment because [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► things are slow as molasses anyway [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► oh my god so slow yeah well but the link [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► in the show notes about what [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► no that would be the entry in real-time [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► operating system which describes it [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► pretty well basically real-time [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► operating system is the only situation [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► where you can make guarantees about when [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► things will happen so you can say we be [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► guaranteed that this thing will be [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► serviced in a maximum of this amount of [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► time writing is hard real-time and soft [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► real-time soft real-time you know cries [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► very hard to to give you know computing [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► time to certain things and certain [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► intervals and hard real-time is like [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► this is a part of the system you are [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► going to be able to service this in a [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► certain interval at minimum and use hard [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► real-time systems for things like space [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► probes or flight control systems where [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► you can't have like a space probe [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► whizzing around the solar system and [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► have it go to do something that has to [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► be done with millisecond precision and [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► then have a a memory allocation happen [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► or interrupt happen when you didn't [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► expect it and not have your routine [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► service for an extra couple of [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► milliseconds because there was like a [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► little icon right on our personal [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► computers those little hiccups and [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► glitches happen all the time but in [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► real-time operating systems especially [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► hard real-time operating systems that [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► the whole design is made so that can't [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► happen ever [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► and the reason this comes up for [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► automotive things is there are some [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► things in automotive systems that are [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► like that you know anti-lock brakes [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► possibly also engine control things [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► where you can't ever have any kind of [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► pick up you always have to have things [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► done on a certain time line within a [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► certain deadline but some fuzzy decided [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► but like there are limits that you need [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► things to happen right now guaranteed [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► every single time no possibility that it [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► could make it happen so I think we [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► talked about this we're talking about [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► like what kind of what could Apple bring [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► the cars with software we talked a lot [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► about like like Barbie mb entertainment [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► systems and the UI and things that Tesla [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► does on its big touchscreen that's all [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► well and good Apple probably good then [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► you can basically run Iowa [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► it's on that and you'll be fine but for [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► the other parts of the car that driving [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► parts whether they be self driving or [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► just simply driver aids or smart cruise [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► control or engine control and stuff like [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► that that stuff has to be real time [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► because it's a safety issue you can't [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► have me you know you can't have any like [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► stutter or whatever that you see and and [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► regular operating systems and you know [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► offering something like I was ten do [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► have things with a try to give you [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► guarantee times like audio processing [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► but anyone who's ever used audio on a [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► Mac knows that it's not a hard real-time [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► operating system you can get into [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► situations so you have underflow and you [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► have a little stutter and you know your [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► disk isn't fast enough or whatever parts [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► of the whole chain can fall down to give [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► you a failure in the weather the audio [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► or video but a hard real-time system [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► just simply can't do that it has to give [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► guaranteed time slices to all the [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► software running which means it's much a [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► very different thing for you to create [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► you wouldn't create a real-time [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► operating system even for someone like [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► to watch it would be silly but it's very [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► different than anything apple has ever [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► created to my knowledge and so that's [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► why it's interesting to see this person [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► who i think it was like that the founder [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► of q XR jump that's right some bigwig [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► and QX it's not like he's the one [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► writing the real-time operating system [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► but he was well in the beginning but you [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► don't even like now I'm sure I was not [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► hiring into right there operating [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► systems or if you're going to hire [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► someone to be in charge of the real-time [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► operating system effort for your car or [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► whatever the guy who is the founder of q [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► NX is pretty darn good hire yeah and [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► real-time follow-up from wikipedia where [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► everything is guaranteed to be true at [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► the geneva motor show Apple demonstrated [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► carplay which provides an iOS like user [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► interface to head units and compatible [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► devices once configured by the [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► manufacturer QX can be programmed to [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► hand off its display in certain [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► functionality to an apple carplay device [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► so it seems at least for now that can [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► actually be used for carplay but like [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► John is as described maybe more than [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► that and blackberry about human acts [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► like it's not as if you can access the [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► only useful for real-time like [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► blackberry bottoms like oh they can be [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► our phone OS like it big QX is a [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► flexible operation you make do whatever [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► you want but for if Apple's ever going [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► to any self-driving stuff or even just [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► like the you know the the barrier to [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► entry for just a basic car with simple [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► smart cruise control and lane departure [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► warning stuff like that or even just [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► anti-lock braking systems or what [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► ever you need a real-time operating [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► system to do that type of functionality [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► and the question is always applicant it [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► invent one in house is already have one [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► in house is it going to I mean obviously [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► didn't just want the it hired this guy [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► didn't buy qnx I forget who owns the [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► assets the Qax maybe blackberry still [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► around i guess they still wanted at this [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► point mom anyway this is a problem that [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► they need solved if they're ever going [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► to make a car like an actual complete [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► car instead of just like some component [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► of a car the software system for a car [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► so I think this is the first public [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► signal that they are serious about this [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► aspect of the car as opposed to all the [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► rumors like well of course it's going to [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► be self driving and of course it's going [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► to that this higher really only makes [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► sense in that in the context of car [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► software that does the car stuff the [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► safety related car stuff [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► yeah the gentleman's name is damn dodge [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► for the record the unfortunate name for [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► really ended up not a motive sort of so [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► I guess that makes sense right [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► I know but Dodgers not really the brand [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► that i will probably want to evoke yeah [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► I don't know whatever i'm at least in [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► part of products with mopar family so [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► nobody's perfect but yeah it's really [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► interesting i like you said John I think [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► what's most interesting about this to me [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► is that it's a public signal that Apple [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► is moving towards automotive I mean sure [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► you could interpret this in many other [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► ways short qnx does seem to underpin [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► blackberry 10 or the the newest [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► blackberry operating system i think but [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► anyway the point is all signs point to [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► this being an automotive related higher [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► and and a high-profile one so I don't [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► know where there's smoke there's fire [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► and there's ever-increasing amounts of [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► smoke seem like Apple is kind of like [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► decreasing ly o lay about their car [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► plans they're like they're just not even [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► denying them anymore and he's like yeah [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► okay you guys all know we're making a [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► car right and something they could do [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► which is definitely an apple move is for [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► the first car that comes out 20 20 or [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► whatever like if they're just starting [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► the real-time operating system ever now [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► it's not gonna be ready in time for that [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► right so what they can do is release a [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► car that's not self-driving [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► it merely uses third-party components [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► for its engine control and anti-lock [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► brakes and it's airbags and it's smart [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► cruise control these are all things that [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► you can buy you know from various [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► manufacturers off-the-shelf an apple [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► does the car play part of the car right [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► in the UI and all the things that are [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► not real time that are just you know you [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► i type things and that's still a [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► perfectly good Apple car and in the [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► meantime over the next three or four or [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► five years they work on their [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► self-driving thing with their own [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► real-time operating system that it's [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► kinda like the ipod approach where you [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► know they had that pic slowest thing or [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► whatever the day from a third-party the [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► license then using their ipods when it [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► came time to the iphone they didn't put [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► that over [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► oh that was one of the competing options [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► internally they they did their own thing [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► it takes a long time to do your own [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► I'm not sure depending on what stage [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► there right now and if this is coming on [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► board to Shepherd their multi-year [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► running real-time operating system [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► effort to just make sure like it's on [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► track in to you know get a gun then [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► maybe they can hit 2020 but if they're [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► just starting their ever now and [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► staffing up i don't think they're gonna [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► be ready in time for current running and [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► I think they need to be because nobody [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► has produced a completely self driving [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► car this point they can drive in any [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► roads and I don't think apple is going [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► to in 2020 either so it might be smart [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► to put out a car that is impressive and [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► good in all the ways that Apple's cars [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► can be good but that Apple outsources [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► all the parts that it's not innovating [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► and essentially like they don't have any [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► particular innovation to add to and you [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► like breaking your or adaptive cruise [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► control or engine control and so there's [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► no reason for them to put their own [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► operates in fact it's a huge risk to do [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► that just their third party vendors who [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► make parts for the rest of the car [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► industry that you can buy those things [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► from the software and hardware they [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► should just do that and put all their [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► effort into the design of the car and [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► the UI in the parts that they're good at [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► all right so I guess we're out of [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► neutral portion of the show which means [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► only one thing left to talk about that [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► we might have to go through the stupid [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► tivo section i offer i can explain the [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► mp3 file format to you if you want and [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► why podcasts apparently aren't and maybe [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► can't be vbr oh yeah where does that go [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► that was in the show notes then [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► disappear it John demoted it right [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► before the show oh I was the motive the [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► Swift thing too is I don't think there's [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► much to say but you put their gay so [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► what you have to say about swift swift [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► update it's gonna be quick to be honest [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► mostly I just wanted to hear you hear [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► your reaction to the line about [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► the the goal being to be better at [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► regular was it regular expressions then [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► purl way to remember a time i read them [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► on the Swift evolution mailing list i [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► read all these things I'm I'm soaking in [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► it there's nothing that's what is going [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► to be surprised [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► that's a reference to an ad that was on [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► before you're both delightful anyway so [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► I tell me John what you think about this [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► claim that Swift will be better than [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► string processing then purl not a claim [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► it's a goal and the goal is not a [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► promise if you would know if you read [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► yes i did read it I did really just [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► kinda I'm just trying to get you to get [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► a rise out of you anyway tell me about [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► number its fine so like Swift three that [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► a lot of lofty goals some of them is [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► particularly ABI stability they didn't [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► get not api api application binary [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► interface which basically means can [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► Apple build a library and Swift and ship [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► it with their operating system and then [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► people ship applications that link to [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► that binary and then can they update [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► that binary the next person operating [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► system and not break people's [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► applications because the applications [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► that are linking to the library and [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► expecting things to be in certain places [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► and find certain symbols [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► how do you update that you need ABI [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► stability if you change the calling [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► convention 04 libraries and you release [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► a new version of that library it will [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► break everybody's applications because [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► they they're binaries expect a call in [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► to a different way so so if the still [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► point where they haven't nailed that [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► town and wanted to episode 3 but it [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► didn't make it a lot of things they did [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► doing with three are the reason because [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► they're still trying to nail down [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► generics and some other features that [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► effect [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► ABI and also this resiliency stuff where [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► it's like if we change aspects of the [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► language now again can we make a new [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► version of library and have the old [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► applications still work with it [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► this is important for its most important [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► for us vendors what Apple does the ship [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► libraries like UI kit and many other [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► you know it's an umbrella framework [TS]