236: Rosencrantz Says
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Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 236.
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It is made possible this week by Luna Display, Away, and Squarespace.
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My name is Stephen Hackett and I am joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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Hello, Stephen Hackett.
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Hello, Federico Vittucci. How are you today?
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I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Yeah, I'm ready to admit my defeat.
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You got creamed.
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In 2019 defeat is the new victory, you know being humble and being you know
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about your defeat is the new. Why is it impossible for you to both win and lose with any weight?
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Everybody can win these days. It's harder to lose.
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I've never known of someone to be like
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So difficult in defeat like this like to brag in defeat like I don't think I've ever come across this before
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Later don't okay. Okay, Myke. How are you today? Oh
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I'm fine, man
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I'm fired up. I'm ready to go. There's a lot of stuff in this Google Doc. This is gonna be a monumental episode
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This one's going to go down in history.
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I think it is, but there's something we want to talk about right off the bat.
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And that is the announcement of our WWDC live show tickets.
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They are on sale.
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Like you need like one of those air horns, you know, like one of those ones.
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He doesn't have the sound effects.
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Honestly, I'm just going to use what you just made as the noise.
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So our tickets are now on sale.
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It is the first link in the show notes.
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Uh, we are at the hammer theater again in San Jose, the evening of Wednesday, June 5th,
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the lobby will open at five.
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The doors will open at six.
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We are doing, um, uh, assigned seating this time.
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So you get to pick where you sit when you buy your ticket and that should help everybody
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get in more easily than last year.
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So I know it was a little chaotic last time.
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We're super excited to be able to get in here.
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We're super excited about this.
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I love doing this show.
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It is so much fun.
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We're just excited.
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I'm so ready.
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I'm so ready for the live show.
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We had so much fun last year and we're ready to do all over again.
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So I hope that you'll grab a ticket and come see us.
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There is one I've decided Federico, I feel like you will be
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more on board with me than Steven in saying this.
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I've decided our flex this year is going to be the this will be the most entertaining live show at WWDC
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Absolutely, I mean you the kind of the kind of entertainment that you will get from this live show will be
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Unmatched you cannot get it anywhere else
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Nowhere else you will not get your money back if it's not true, but I guarantee you will be true
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If anything attempting to get your money back will be its own entertainment
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Exactly try that and you know, you will be entertained
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We are play it will be bigger. It will be better. It will be faster
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Performance will be better in every single way every way imaginable
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It's it's bug fixes ever last year show is what you're saying and performance improvements literal improvements to our performance
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There would be Steven doing a dance thing at the beginning. There would be surprises.
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There would be questions being asked.
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Of yourself, of us, of our reality, our existence.
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I will be asking questions and I will be taking names.
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Can we shoot Myke out of a giant cannon?
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Well, yeah. That was the stronger part. I have to get stronger to deal with that.
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survive. Your bones are going to explode. We're very excited, as you can tell. Federico
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has been making me and Steven very nervous by telling us that he must continue working
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on his secret plans for the show. If you heard the show last year, my favorite part was Federico's
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secret plan, so I have high hopes for him again. So we're really, really excited. I
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just want to make sure before I continue to plan this, the internet was working inside
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the theater last year right? Yes. Like 4G was okay. Okay. Oh yeah. Alright.
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I have the Wi-Fi password so if you need it we can get you on the Wi-Fi.
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Steven can get you 5G on AT&T now anyway so like you're gonna be real good.
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I have 5GE on my iPhone so everything is well it's exactly the same as it was
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before but now full of lies. Upgraded. An extra lying number. So yeah go get if you
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want if you're gonna be at WWDC make sure you pick up one of these tickets
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we're expecting that they'll sell out quite quickly. Yes. So they will link in
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show notes, you can go and grab them. Before we move into topics, we have a little bit of follow
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out our friend and probably your friend Tyler Stallman, who was on the show. Now I guess now a
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couple months ago talking about photo editing. He put up a video that was really a nice compliment
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to what we spoke about on the show. And if that was confusing to follow, because we were talking
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about photo editing in an audio environment, which I realized like halfway through that episode is
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I was like, maybe this wasn't the way we should have done this.
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I think it did OK, because I learned some stuff.
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Like, my photo editing has gotten way better since that conversation.
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Yeah, so go check out Tyler's video.
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A, if you're not subscribed to his YouTube channel, like, what are you doing?
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But this is a great video that walks through a lot of the stuff we spoke about.
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And Tyler's just the best, and this video is well worth the watch.
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Even if you listen to that episode, you will pick up new things in this video,
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I actually saw him say on Twitter that he was thinking of the three of us
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when he made the video. Yeah. Like he was thinking, which I think it's like, if they
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could understand, like the whole time, it's like, will they be able to understand this?
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I don't know whether that's a compliment or not. Yeah. If those guys ingrasp this, anyone
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can like, I'm not sure what you're actually saying about us. I actually hope that he's
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thinking about us all the time. Yeah. And every video he makes. In every video. Yeah.
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So thank you. Yeah. Thank you, Tyler. I hope you will continue to keep us in your thoughts
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in the future.
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Alright, we have a mini topic and I'm not going to let you off the hook this time.
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No, we don't.
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Federico, tell us about your multiple watches.
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Look, it's a very simple story.
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Okay, so a few months ago I was sent a review unit of a smaller Apple watch, the 40mm one
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I had the 44 version for myself that I bought here in Italy, and I started testing the smaller one.
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And I, you know, how it works, I think Jason talked about this on upgrade with Apple review units,
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sometimes you get a very short loan, other times it's an extended loan, this happens to be one of
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the extended ones, and I basically realized that I actually like how I got into this rhythm of
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The bigger one is the watch that I use during the day for workouts, because it's got cellular
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inside and I associated my Vodafone plan on the 44mm Apple Watch.
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So I use it to go to the park, to walk the dogs, to workout, to control music and all
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the kind of stuff that I do during the day.
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But then when I'm done, and usually after I've closed the rings in the activity app,
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I switch to the evening watch, which I realize it sounds like a terrible thing that I'm using
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two Apple watches, but I prefer that I can keep separate sets of apps on the two watches.
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So for example, I got the AutoSleep.
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Why is that required though?
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It's not required.
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Why can't you just put them all on the same?
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I don't understand what the...
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Why is there an intrinsic benefit to that?
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Oh, because I never ran out of battery, and I'm always wearing an Apple Watch.
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I never take it off. I always have an Apple Watch on me.
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So when I remove the bigger one, I put on the smaller one.
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And that's the one that I use for, basically, night stuff.
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So like sleep tracking, and I got my complications to trigger home kit scenes
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with the blue lights and the red lights and all that kind of stuff.
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It's got theater mode enabled so that it doesn't light up when I'm going to bed with the watch.
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And it's basically just a way to always wear an Apple Watch.
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Never worry about battery, because when I get one, I put the other one on the charger and so forth.
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And it's totally unnecessary, but it gives me a way to test the smaller one,
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which is surprisingly more comfortable to use than I was expecting.
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I always thought the 38 millimeter version was too small for me, but I think the 40 strikes a better balance.
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It's also a steel,
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what's it called, space gray steel version,
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which made me realize I actually preferred the aluminum version because the steel one is a little too heavy and
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I don't like the way that the haptics feel on the steel watch.
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So all of these will be hopefully in an article that I want to write about the Apple watch before
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I have two big stories that I want to try and do before June
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One of them will be about the Apple watch and the other will be a surprise, but it will not be the surprise
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I was just talking about would be another surprise. I'm a man full of surprises
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So that's why I have two watches. One of them is an Apple review unit and in testing this watch I
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Accidentally stumbled across the idea of well, it's actually nice to wear two Apple watches not simultaneously just alternating them
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So that's why
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What would you buy next time then?
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If this made you make a decision like what is the right...
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If you were gonna buy one of them, like would you go with 40 instead of the...
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What is it? 44 now?
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I would still go with 44.
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My girlfriend thinks the 40 looks better on my wrist.
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Also I just love that the screen is slightly bigger so it's...
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I prefer the way that, for example, the Siri watch face, there's a little more space for each card, for each...
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what's it called? Complication.
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But I don't hate the 40mm version, whereas I really disliked the 38 one.
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So I think it's better, but it's still not the size for me.
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It's a good watch though.
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I just want to double check. You understand the ludicrousness of the two watches, right?
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When you could just charge it?
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All right, cool. I just wanted to get that on the record because I can imagine people are like,
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"What is wrong with him?"
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I think it's ridiculous, honestly.
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But you have them, so what are you going to do, right?
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But I have them. I have them. And at the same time, I also think that it's nice to never take it off.
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Even for those, you know, 45 minutes or one hour that you need to charge the main watch
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or the single watch that you have. Because for years I've done that, you know. I took
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off the watch in the morning when I was having breakfast or taking a shower or something
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and I would put it on an hour later when it was charged. But it's nicer to never worry
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about "Oh, now I need to take off the watch and I need to remind myself that I need to
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grab it from the charger". Because you always have it on. So, it is nicer. But it's also,
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you know, unnecessary because you have two Apple Watches. But again, I just happen to
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have it. It's a review unit, so why not? At some point, do you have to give that back?
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Yeah. So if you do, would you pick up a second watch now?
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That's a good question. I wouldn't... That is a very good question. I wouldn't buy one,
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but I would consider using one of my old ones as the night watch because I really do like the idea.
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So I would essentially maybe stop selling them every single year.
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Because the Night Watch requires way less interaction from you.
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Exactly. Exactly.
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So the Night Watch, I would keep, you know,
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I think we have a series two or something lying around somewhere in the drawer.
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I could use that one.
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So I think I would still remain on the two watches train,
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but not to buy the latest version of both for myself.
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I think that's crazy.
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But, you know, to use old ones I think that would be okay.
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And not so ridiculous, maybe, if it's an old one.
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We're on series 4 right now, right?
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Yes, we are on series 4.
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And I'm pretty sure that we sold the series 3,
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but we have a series 2 still around,
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so maybe when Apple gets this one back that could be the Night Watch.
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I have a series 3. It's not doing anything.
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I just... I just don't miss it.
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I really don't miss it.
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And I understand how it's an important device for a lot of people.
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And I get it. I know how much you do with it and all that kind of stuff and it sounds really great.
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But it's just really astounding to me how I went from a device that I thought was incredibly important to
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not caring in a very short space of time.
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It was kind of astounding to me really. I wouldn't have expected it.
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Like, you know, I really thought that the Apple Watch is an important part of my day,
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right? Like when it comes to the way that I use technology, but I have not missed it once in
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seven months. I've, uh, I spoke about this on this week's Mac power users, but I'm in a place with
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the watch where I'm just not wearing it unless I'm working out or exercising. And then it goes back
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on the charger or back in the nightstand. And for me, it's not necessarily about notifications.
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And I didn't say this very well in the episode, but I realized it sort of later was for me,
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I could sit my phone down, but if I'm wearing the watch, that means I'm still tethered to
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the internet, like still tethered to work and all these other things and not having the watch on,
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even with the very few notifications I allow to come to the watch, it's not a management problem
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of notifications. It's just any notification does this. Then I'm still accessible. And that's like
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like the flip side of the coin of like oh I can just glance at my wrist and see
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what's going on and go back to what I need to do. Those are two sides of one coin but
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I'm on the wrong side of the coin and I don't know what that means for me
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long-term yet but it's kind of where I am with it right now.
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Yep I think everyone is like after this thing's been around for a while they're
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kind of drawing their personal lines right it's like how much do you want to
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be available and I think me and Federico fall on very distinct parts of that and you're
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more a little bit more in the middle.
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I mean I've read about it last year and that still holds true, the idea that I truly believe
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that it's this tiny device that it sort of pushes me to be a better me because it's that
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kind of constant reminder and also the fact that I especially since I got you
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know the dogs the idea of I can just go for a walk without the phone that's
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that's a really really big help. That's a bit like it's just like different
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different use cases right? Yeah yeah but then again there will be a story on the
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site I just need to find the time to write about this but I want to do a
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proper Apple Watch story because last year it was a actually about but the
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iPhone about the Apple watch, you know, but you know mindfulness and all that
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stuff I just want to focus on the Apple watch this time so it's one of the two
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big stories that I want to try and have before WWDC and now that I said it I
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gotta keep my promise because people are gonna ask so that's why I said it
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because... Carl in the chat is saying like you know you turning off notifications
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and stuff and I get it right like turning off all notifications but then
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for me it's like well what do I even what's this for like there is a whole
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world of watches that look infinitely better than the Apple Watch, right? Like,
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yeah, the Apple Watch is by far the best looking, like, smart watch, but it's not a
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good looking watch, right? Like, everyone can find a watch that they would find
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better looking than the Apple Watch because there is such incredible choice
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in the watch world, right? Like, you can choose anything. So, like, if it's not, if
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I'm not gonna have it for notifications, then I'm just gonna get a different watch.
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And like I know that there's health and stuff but like I can use other devices for that and you know
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It's like not like a big thing in my life like training for my personal best. Like I don't that's not me
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Outside of that like I would just use my iPhone for everything else. So
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That's like just again no criticism on on you. But like that's where I'm coming from with it
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Yeah, we can be in different places and it's okay
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What what an idea?
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So Federico, thanks for sharing that. I'm glad that we finally got that out of you.
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Yeah. Is the truth what you were expecting?
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Just about. Yeah.
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This is where we find out he's using four iPhones.
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So as I was saying, there's a certain kind of beauty in the feet that you don't necessarily
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get with victory, you know? Like, the idea of "I lost, but that's fine, because life
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goes on, and I can appreciate that I will do better next time." But if you win, you
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know, when you have victory, you know what you're left with? That sensation of victory
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that is ephemeral and momentary, but I feel like when you win, you're left with that sense
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of dread that you're gonna lose next time. So instead, whereas you have that fear in
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the back of your mind that this victory will not last, I can only go up. And I'm left with
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Yeah, it's quite a story you're telling yourself over there. Let's hope that you believe that
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as much as you seem to point out to the world, I'm not sure.
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Come on man, just let me spin this my way.
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Why? Why would we do this?
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Alright, we're gonna go through our predictions and grade them. Obviously there was an Apple
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event a couple of days ago. And so we're gonna take a look at what we predicted last week.
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I'll give everybody a refresher of the rules. To earn any points, everything that is declared
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written down as part of the prediction must come true. No half points may be awarded in
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any round. One point is awarded for any pick deemed correct in the first two rounds. So
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And then the third round is our risky pick round.
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If our risky pick is wrong, you lose a point.
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But if you get your risky pick correct, you get two points.
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And we all had to agree on what risky was going to be.
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The winner, asterisk, gets first pick at WWDC predictions.
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So these are our WWDC prediction qualifiers.
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So we're going to go through these here.
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Federico, would you like to go through--
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We'll round rob in our discussion on these, I think.
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Round one, this is the only-- well, no spoilers.
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Apple-- it was my only point, and it was taken away from me.
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Apple News service for magazines.
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Sure enough, Apple News Plus.
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It's the successor to Texture, the service
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that Apple acquired last year.
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It's got 300 magazines almost.
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I counted them all, it was rough,
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but there's still not 300, but it will get there, I think.
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In addition to magazines,
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you also get the "Wall Street Journal"
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and the "Los Angeles Times,"
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and you also get digital publishers.
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Apple calls them TechCrunch and Vox.
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TechCrunch has their membership stuff, ExtraCrunch,
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at least the article elements,
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not the video, not the audio,
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but just the article content will be available in Apple News Plus,
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and Vox is also launching the highlight, I think it's called,
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it will be on Apple News Plus.
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So, magazines, two newspapers, and some digital publications
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in the form of memberships on the web,
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they will be rolled into Apple News.
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Limited to the US and Canada for now,
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you also get some Canadian magazines.
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I could go through the list of some of my favorite magazines if you want.
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Let's talk about this later.
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Let's talk about Apple news a little bit later on in the episode
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so we can dive into that in a bit more detail.
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Because I know that so because I'm interested because I can't use it
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being in the UK.
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But initially I got this point.
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That is what I'm saying.
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And you got it early. You must have been feeling good.
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I was feeling good and then I did not feel good, but we can talk about that later.
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So my first pick was that Apple would announce a video streaming service,
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which is Apple TV Plus.
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And then I was I kind of saved myself here
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because I said, which includes content from other providers.
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But then saying this will either be free content or with you
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paying a for a subscription within the app, which is Apple TV channels.
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So I'm very pleased because my initial thought was that they would
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announce the subscription.
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It would be a price and there would be content in it.
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but they kind of announced a lot of component pieces without really announcing them altogether.
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So without that, or I probably wouldn't have gotten this point. So, but yes, Apple TV plus
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announced not a product that anybody can get yet. We don't know how much it costs. We don't know
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anything about it other than the fact that it exists. And then the Apple TV itself has got new
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functionality like TV channels where you can subscribe to HBO and stars and stuff like that.
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So that was my point that I picked up. We all did well in this first round, I think.
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So my pick for this round was the video streaming service does not launch until at least May 1st.
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And like you alluded to, this is a multi-step process, but the new Apple TV app with channels,
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so content from Showtime and CBS, all access, et cetera, just like Amazon Prime Video,
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they've said that that is coming in May and then their own stuff is coming later. So
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So a point for me.
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And this all does qualify in our opinion as even the TV channel stuff because this was
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rumored but like this functionality that Apple has spoken about kind of confirms it.
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Apple will be streaming the content.
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So like if you sign up for HBO, the stream comes from Apple.
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It doesn't come from HBO.
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And then there's all this extra stuff like being able to download that content to your
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device and stuff, which a lot of providers don't actually let you do, but Apple is letting
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you do, which I think is kind of cool.
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So we did very well starting out, all three of us.
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Yep, cleared up.
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Then it takes a turn for one of us.
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My second pick was Apple will also announce, and now this is where I share my conspiracy
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theory, Apple will also announce a service bundle to get multiple services for one integrated
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Before you show your conspiracy theory, I just want to say that I feel really bad for
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you because this one felt like a lock. Like, I lost the draft on upgrade primarily because
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of this service bundle thing because I had a couple of picks related to this. It didn't
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get announced. Everyone thought it was definitely going to be announced, right? Because it just
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makes sense. If you have five streaming services coming out, which we would like four or whatever,
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there'll be a bundle to put them all together. Well, jokes on you, none of them are here
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yet, right? Except news. So there's no bundle because there's no streaming services. So
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What's your conspiracy theory?
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I believe that Steven and Michael conspired to force me to use this pick, making fun of
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the fact that, oh no, it's so obvious they're going to do a bundle, you should pick it.
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And they conspired...
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When exactly did this conversation happen?
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They conspired behind my back so that I could go home with zero points, as we'll see the
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final result.
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They wouldn't let me get not even one point.
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You know, here's the thing though, you actually played yourself because this was going to
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be my pick, my first pick, but you got in the document faster than me.
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So if you were more lazy, you wouldn't have lost.
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Well no, because he had first right, so if he...
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Oh yeah, random.org screwed you.
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Well I think...
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Which also could have been a conspiracy.
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Could have been.
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Myke did that. He knows it was actually accurate. The thing that's surprising about this is we all
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assumed that these, maybe they won't be launching yet, but Apple would tell us how much it costs.
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And they didn't do that. Like we don't know how much TV plus is going to cost us. We don't know
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how much Apple arcade is going to cost us. What I find interesting is that you're not denying
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the conspiracy allegations. I'm going to speak to Myke now, Myke, if we talk to him about his
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theory. It only gives him credence to believe these wild things, and so we just move past
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it. What do you think?
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I feel it's one of those "I neither confirm nor deny" type situations.
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Okay. We're on the same page.
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We neither confirm nor deny Federico.
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Anyway, I was convinced there was going to be a bundle. There was another bundle. We
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don't have pricing on the stuff, you know, the TV+ and arcade. So yeah, no bundle, no
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there will be one. Yes, I was gonna say I think that you will be right if you pick this
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again in the fall because this feels like something they've got to do. Yeah, nice try.
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Nice try. Yeah, sure. Sure, I will pick it in the fall. Wink, wink. Alright, so I picked
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the Apple's original content will premiere after the service itself launches that non-original
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content will come first, excluding existing programs.
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So that's true.
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You know, this first stuff that Apple will be streaming is not their own stuff
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because Apple TV channels comes in May, Apple TV Plus is coming in the fall.
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I did want to ask you guys real quick, because I know that, like, you know,
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I think there's like, again,
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like a sliding scale of how much attention we've been paying to a lot of this.
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With the shows that they were talking about, did you excite?
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Are you excited for the content?
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Like, the way that they pitched them, was that exciting to you?
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Yeah, totally.
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There's the morning show that I'm super excited about.
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It feels like something that I would absolutely love.
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The other ones, I don't remember the name, there's one with Octavia Spencer and Aaron
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Paul that I'm also looking forward to.
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That one didn't get stage time, but that's a good one.
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I didn't get stage time, but I'm familiar with because I read an interview with Aaron Paul.
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Little America, I think it would be something that I would enjoy.
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So I'm totally on board and I feel like, you know, Apple uses big words for everything,
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but the idea of we want to attract great storytellers and, you know, have great TV shows,
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not just, not necessarily maybe the most TV shows.
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videos. Most of that is arguably marketing stuff that you just need to say. But if there's
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even just a kernel of truth to the idea of "we want to focus on great stories", what
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I saw was pretty convincing.
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What they've done is, in theory, the best way to do it by literally hiring everyone.
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Right? Like, the sheer scale of talent that they have assembled is no joke, probably the
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best that there's ever been for any service like this, including like a TV channel.
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Like the amount of literal A-listers that they are bringing to TV is wild. It's wild. So,
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yeah, like they showed that slide. There was a slide that had a bunch of names on it and just
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like those names were just wild. But Stephen, are you particularly excited for any of the TV content?
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I am and more so than I thought I would be going into it.
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So I think the morning show show about the morning show looks really good.
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I think to one thing that excited me, not for me, but as a parent,
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is like the whole Sesame Street catalog like that stuff.
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So into. Oh, so, OK, that I think Apple did a good job.
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They do not have the Sesame Street catalog.
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They are creating new content with Sesame Workshop.
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They shouldn't have brought Big Bird out on stage because they don't have that.
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HBO has that.
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Well, then I have another strike against them is that the the presenter in that section
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said, oh, and the stuff when I was a kid is on here, too.
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And so they were unclear about that.
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Okay, then I may be wrong.
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But that wasn't what was in their initial announcement.
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Yeah, because HBO owns a lot of that now.
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And so it's not easily accessible.
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So like, whatever that is, that's cool.
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So yeah, I'm more excited than I was going into it for sure.
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And I think even the stuff...
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was the one thing that I did not get, that bird thing.
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Big bird. He's in Star Wars.
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That's Jar Jar. If you've heard of Jar Jar Binks before, that's Jar Jar Binks.
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Yes, I know the monster that looks like an octopus. I'm familiar with that. No, but this
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Sesame Street stuff, is it like a kids' show in the US?
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Do you know the Muppets?
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Do you know the Muppets?
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Kermit. Yeah, the green lizard thing. It's like that, right? It's like that.
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Oh, so the Sesame Street is not the Muppets.
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Okay, no, same company, but not the same output. So, like the Muppets is one thing. Sesame
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Street was like, let's educate kids about numbers and shapes and color and stuff like
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Oh, it's kind of like the blue tree in Italy.
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We call it like the kids educational show.
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They had a dodo as a mascot.
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You should Google Alberod's Uro.
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Oh yeah, I can definitely spell that.
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Alberod's Uro.
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Put a link of that in the show notes for our listeners.
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They had the dodo.
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Okay, so it's...
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The Blue Tree.
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So my pick in this round, I thought I lost this.
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I thought this point had escaped my grasp because as these celebrities were on stage,
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the stage would go black and then Jennifer Anson would pop out of the stage and light
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up and then she was there and she would talk and it'd be black again and someone else would
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It was all very over the top.
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Very dramatic.
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I thought, "Oh no, they've isolated them from Tim Cook.
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Tim Cook is like handcuffed to a desk backstage so he can't interact with them."
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Finally they loaned.
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And then at the very end, Oprah is announced, she speaks,
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I thought what she said was great.
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And then Tim Cook comes out and I get the point
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because he wiped away a tear as he was hugging her.
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I was like, well, there's our celebrity interaction.
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There it is.
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- And he said something along the,
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he said, I can't remember the exact words that he used.
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- I'll never forget this day or something.
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Which is cool, I'm not judging his excitement level.
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I'm just saying that it was really good for me personally in this contest.
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On the scale of Tim Cook, awkward celebrity interactions,
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this was probably the best one.
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Yeah, they didn't finger touch.
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They didn't finger touch.
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There wasn't like a super awkward let's stand on the stage
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and look at each other interview like he did during the Apple Watch presentation.
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Like there was none of that like super weirdness.
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But yeah, and I agree, like everything that Oprah said was amazing.
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And I'm really intrigued to see what that that ends up looking like.
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But now we get into everyone's favorite section, Riskypic.
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So at this point, I, uh, I knew that
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it was I was not going to win, of course,
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but I was still hoping that they would mention
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at least one new feature coming to the HomePod.
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And instead there was not a single mention of the word HomePod.
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And what's even funnier is like iOS 12.2 has come out,
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which has like new Siri features for like TV.
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right? Like TV stuff in HomeKit, but the HomePod can't do it.
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Which is, again, the fracturing of Siri, which continues to be incredibly frustrating.
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So the HomePod has not gotten an update yet, which was kind of hilarious.
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Yeah, so not a single feature coming to the HomePod, and not only did I not get two points,
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but I actually lost the single point that I collected thanks to Apple News Plus.
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So that means that I ended this game at zero points, which is a very cool number.
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It's a good number, zero, represents a lot of things, but it's at zero points.
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I was very proud of myself because Apple did announce their video game subscription service,
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Apple Arcade during this event.
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It was one of those things that I still stand by my thinking,
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like a lot of people said, oh, that should have been a WWDC announcement.
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But it really doesn't feel like it's like Apple has put up a page
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where you can like submit your game to be considered.
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But I think for the for a period of time, this is like Apple's people
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find who they want to work with and they work with them
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and then they can expand it out later.
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So, yeah, I got it.
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Apple Arcade, the video game subscription service.
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That was my risky pick.
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So I ended with four points in total.
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I cleared the board.
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My risky pick was that the Apple TV app would receive a refreshed design.
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I think it got more than we were expecting, even.
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It was like refreshed and like rethought.
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And what it does now is is new.
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So the the future that Tim Cook promised in, I guess,
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2015 was like the future TV was apps and now the future of TV is the TV app with
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channels plugged into it one thing I'm really excited about with this is a
00:37:09
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again as a parent is a dedicated kids section Netflix does this and I think
00:37:15
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honestly pretty well so like I can the kids can pick up the Apple TV remote go
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to the kids section Netflix and whatever stuff Mary and I've been watching isn't
00:37:23
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there it's all laid out where they can pick a character or a storyline and I
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I think that's great.
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And the interface looks really good, I think,
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of what we've seen from what Apple's doing.
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There's a lot of dark elements to it,
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which is really interesting.
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Currently, tvOS has some dark elements,
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but this seems to go even further, which I think is good.
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You don't want white, bright elements on television.
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I think even while there is how many places the Apple TV
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app will be available, they're really costing a wide net.
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This was actually one of my non-graded picks,
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was that I think yeah that it will come to Roku and Fire TV and they announced exactly that
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that should have maybe been my risky pick but anyway uh yeah so they're bringing it to Roku
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Fire TV and we spoke about this if you remember when they were putting all the TVs up and they
00:38:12
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had like they announced uh home kit support on Samsung, LG, Sony and Vizio but only Samsung were
00:38:20
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getting the, what they called the iTunes store, which was we knew was was bulk, right? Like
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it wasn't getting the iTunes store. It was just what all they could say at the time.
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And I remember we spoke about it then, like not only will it not be that it will be Apple's
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streaming service, but that we also like this is obviously an exclusivity period and it
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will come to the other TVs and that's the case. So Samsung gets it first and then the
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other ones will be getting it later with and I think it's all coming like the first round
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of it all is coming in May. But honestly, the best thing for most people to do is just
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to buy a Roku or a Fire TV. You should get the little stick. You can get them in 4K.
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They're like $50 and then you can put that support on any TV, which is huge. And I think
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we're definitely trending towards iTunes going away now because of what they've done. They've
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really seem to integrate the movies and TV content more into the new TV app than previously.
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And like even on the website, it kind of says like, you'll get all of your movie and TV
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stuff in the TV app. I think they're kind of trying to they're starting to move away
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from from iTunes now.
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Yeah, I think that all that leaves the Apple TV itself, the actual hardware in a weird
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position because it's still really expensive. And when you can go just buy a Roku stick
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for a fraction of the price.
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But see, this is this is the thing.
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I actually think it leaves it in a less.
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I understand your point,
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but I think that this that leaves it in a less weird position
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because Apple can continue to keep selling its expense overly priced box.
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And they haven't had to change it because like if they didn't announce
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the Roku or Fire TV, they had to have an option.
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But now they don't need one so they can continue selling the really expensive
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Apple TV 4K.
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Sure. People like us who will buy it because we want the full Apple experience.
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But they now like you can just go buy Amazon Fire TV stick
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and it's not going to be as good, but you have it and that's the option.
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So now they don't need to worry.
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I think it also we can talk about this with Apple Arcade.
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That may be the Apple TV hardware's distinct feature
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over the Roku's and everything else of the world.
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So yeah. So there's that point, you know, because gaming has always worked
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on the Apple TV every time they try it. Yeah. Yeah.
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So I have like a little thing about the Apple Arcade and I want to see Federica if you agree with me.
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There has been a long adage that Apple doesn't get games.
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I think Apple gets games now.
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Judging from the companies that have reached out to and how they presented the idea of
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we want to curate a service with great games that focus on storytelling and no in-app purchases
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On multiple platforms there's rumors of controllers being required on the Apple TV.
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I think they took a good look at their previous stumbles.
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And you look at the website and you see names like Mistwalker.
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That's the company of Hironobu Sakaguchi, the creator of Final Fantasy.
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You see us too, you know, the makers of Monument Valley.
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Not the three of us.
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to see all of us too on there, we'll make it one, two, three game. But like there's
00:41:36
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stuff like Lego is in there, like Hot Lava which is by the creators of Don't Starve.
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There's like this weird, you saw this, like I've seen this floating around Twitter, they
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sent out an email that had a screenshot that had No Man's Sky in it, which is not something
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that they've announced and that is incredibly intriguing because that is a console level
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game. And there's other stuff like Overland, which is a game that's been in development
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for a long time, it's coming out on the Nintendo Switch is here.
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Like they've that Sega have got a game like they're bringing
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Sonic Racing to this platform.
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And the other part of it, like the other part of why I think like Apple
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is getting it is they are acting as publisher of all of these.
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Now they kind of gloss over this, but they they said that like basically
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they are financially helping these companies make their games.
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That means Apple's the publisher and like that's the right way to do this.
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That's how they can get these companies to make stuff that is exclusively for them by paying upfront like a like, you know
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they're paying them probably an amount of money for exclusivity plus an advance and
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that helps these companies create the games that Apple then needs on the service and
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Then that's how you do it and then you get exclusivity. Like I think that this is the beginning of Apple
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understanding their place in gaming and actually
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Using it to their advantage where before it's kind of just like happened to them and they've just accidentally stumbled their way through their success
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Yeah, okay. So to get back I agree with all that but to get back to the important part of this. That's the score
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Where does this leave us because by my tally
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you and I are tied at four and
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Mr. Vitie she has zero and that's a problem because
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we said that this was going to be how we decided who goes first in the
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whole point of this
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And we can't both go first because that's not how first works. So what do we do? I
00:43:37
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Personally feel as the one who got zero and therefore
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the new tiebreaker
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Because you know who gets zero points should be the tiebreaker
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No, seriously, it's not a rule, it's not a thing, but I personally feel like
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Myke's risky pick was a little bit riskier than yours
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Stephen because
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He heard from multiple people and you know rumors saying Apple is gonna do this
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But later not a not in March
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But WWDC or maybe September and we all said oh you're gonna lose this one
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you're not gonna get this one, but he stuck with it and he was right.
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So my personal opinion is that Myke's risky pick
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was riskier and therefore in a tie he should be rewarded for taking the extra risk.
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But I understand if it's just my opinion and we wanna use another method
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to discuss this.
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I think we should leave it to chance, like flip a coin.
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Or do it by age. That seems a pretty fair way to do it.
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That doesn't feel fair in any way, does it?
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So I see what you're saying, Federico. And but I think actually, for the reasons that you said
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it was riskier, I think it's less risky, because he had industry insiders whispering in his ear,
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saying, Hey, Myke, we're doing this thing. And so I felt like it was
00:45:13
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tg had the same things and didn't think it was gonna happen. Well, that doesn't mean it's it's
00:45:19
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riskier. It just nobody gave us dates. Yeah, but you had sources on the inside. So I will accept
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the outcome of a random selection. So I don't know how we do that. For to go Do you have an iPhone
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with you or something that can use Siri? Sure, I have my iPhone. I would say that we ask Siri
00:45:42
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to flip a coin and we will do best out of three because just one is not drawing attention out
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long enough. Okay, so what are we going to do? Like one of us is just heads each time and one
00:45:51
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of us is tails each time. Like just the whole time or do you want to mix it up? Like how are
00:45:56
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we going to pick who's heads and nails? I would say that we pick the same. Yep. Throughout and
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I will let you pick because I am a gracious co founder. Okay. All right. I'll take heads. Okay.
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Michael is heads therefore we can try now I'm gonna go with Siri on my iPhone.
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Flip a coin.
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Heads. One point.
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Flip a coin.
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Are you guys ready?
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Are you ready? Oh my god.
00:46:38
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Yeah I'm ready.
00:46:40
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This is this is this is so much more exciting.
00:46:43
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All right, so this one besides was the official winner of the Apple it's Showtime event
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predictions on connected and the personal wins will get to go first for WDC predictions.
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We left this final showdown between Myke and Steven with a tie.
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One heads, one tails.
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Michael is heads, Steven is tails, and now I am going to proceed with the final question
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to Siri on my iPhone to decide the winner of this predictions game.
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You guys ready?
00:50:06
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Flip a coin.
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"Rosencrantz says heads."
00:50:10
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Oh, why did they do it that way?
00:50:12
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What is Rosencrantz?
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It's from Shakespeare. It's Shakespeare. I don't get the joke.
00:50:19
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Rosencrantz says heads. Well, Myke is the winner of Apple March Event Predictions - Unconnected.
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You will get to be first at WWDC and you will get to decide the order of WWDC Predictions.
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I already know what you're going to do, but congratulations.
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Congratulations.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you so much.
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I actually don't know what I'm going to do.
00:50:45
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I haven't even decided if I'll put myself first yet.
00:50:47
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I need to think about the strategies.
00:50:49
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Yeah, because sometimes, you know, the most obvious things are wrong.
00:50:53
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Just like Federico's.
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Federico was first this time, and he got zero points.
00:50:57
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So it's not an inherent-- sorry, Federico.
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It's not an inherent advantage.
00:51:03
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That was so-- that was so tense.
00:51:06
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We have new AirPods. I want to talk about them because I think all three of us ordered them.
00:51:12
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Mine showed up like 20 minutes before we started recording.
00:51:15
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But Federico, yours came in and you've written a really nice hands-on impressions post.
00:51:21
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And I'm curious to see what you think about them.
00:51:23
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Yeah, I love them. Especially because I was stuck, as I mentioned, with the AirPods that were
00:51:30
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essentially dead. One of them was dead and it actually turned out that the volume on both was
00:51:35
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lower than it originally was. And as I try to put it in the article, I think there's
00:51:43
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nothing visually different about them. There's still the AirPods. But in using them, you
00:51:50
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know, they're brand new, and so in being able to have the original, the pristine AirPods
00:51:56
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experience again, it reminded me how much I love the idea behind the AirPods. You know,
00:52:03
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the fact that you have these earbuds that are totally wireless and that they actually
00:52:07
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produce good sound.
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You know, there's wired earbuds that sometimes cost even more and they sound worse than AirPods,
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which have no wires.
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I feel like the two big new features here, the wireless charging in the model that I
00:52:24
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got and the support for hands-free Siri activation, I'm liking both of them a lot.
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especially the Siri stuff. It's been only 24 hours since I got them, but I'm already finding myself
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using Siri more
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because when I'm around the house and I'm wearing AirPods
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before I would try not to use
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Siri, hands-free Siri activation
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with my iPhone, so I kept the "listen for" the
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invocation phrase option disabled, so I just use the HomePod. But with the AirPods,
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because they're using the microphone, which is right next to my mouth essentially,
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and because this
00:53:10
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Siri sounds closer clear just like on the iPhone,
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but now coming through the AirPods, it feels more
00:53:18
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convenient to use. It's faster, it's always right there on you, you can talk to it and it responds immediately.
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So I'm finding myself using Siri more and more for all kinds of things that I actually use Siri.
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You know shortcuts is a big thing, of course, but also HomeKit and playing Apple music and, you know,
00:53:37
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running other shortcuts from apps, not from my custom shortcuts.
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So that's really convenient, like the idea of you have this
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high quality Siri voice that is always in your ears and you can talk to.
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Also, the wireless charging, it's exactly what I was hoping it would be. You just take
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the AirPods and you just place them on a charging mat and it starts charging. There's nothing
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to discuss really, except the fact that maybe it's a little odd that... No, I was not talking
00:54:14
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about air power. It's a little odd that the charging indicator does not stay on indefinitely.
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I wish it did. Yeah I wish it did but also the charging mats that I have they all have
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their own LED indicator so I know when they're actually working so it's not a big deal.
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I would prefer like if you, I don't know how they would, you could like tap the case and
00:54:39
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it will come on because I wouldn't want the light on all the time right like that that
00:54:44
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would that would frustrate me to just have a light on all the time like especially if
00:54:47
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I was charging it by my bedside or whatever, but it would be good to get away to get it
00:54:52
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other than open in the case.
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I've seen people complaining about putting the light on the outside, but like it makes
00:54:58
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perfect sense to me that you would put the light on the outside now because you want
00:55:02
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to see when you put it down on the charging pad that it's accepted that it's charging,
00:55:07
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Like you want that.
00:55:08
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Yeah, you don't want to come back later and be like, "Oh no, I didn't see them."
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The other physical change in the case is really subtle, but the wireless charging case now
00:55:17
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uses aluminum in the hinge instead of stainless steel.
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It seems like, according to people on Twitter, like Mark Gurman was asking people last night,
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that that is because the stainless steel got in the way or interacted poorly, I guess,
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with the wireless charging.
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So if you get the regular case, it seems like that's still stainless steel, but on mine,
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with the wireless case, that hinge is aluminum.
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Just a small detail, but you know one that I guess was important to deal with
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The it feels different the new case in a way that I can't tell you, but I just know it feels different
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It's just clean. That's that's the word you're looking for
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Yeah, well that too but like the hinge the hinge feels different, but like I'm not 100% sure it also
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Is it heavier? It's the is the case heavier now doesn't feel like it
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I've got both here if it is it's really
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a small difference. Physically though, besides those changes, the same size,
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if you've used Gen 1 AirPods, this is going to be immediately super familiar to you. This is not
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really a new product. It's a revision. My only complaint about how the Siri stuff works is,
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I am one of those people who doesn't like to just say the Siri phrase and then continuing to talk
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like without pausing after. My brain can't do that. I have to like no matter what I try and do
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I have to wait like I have to wait. I always thought that the way that Amazon does this is
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perfect. When you say the word to wake up the echo, you hear the sound basically right away.
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And you also, because of the design of the echo, you also see the light. But they have that sound
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that feels immediate. With Siri, Apple is kind of weird about it, in that with the HomePod you can
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can enable the chime, the sound, but it's slow, like it doesn't come up immediately
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as soon as you utter the phrase. And on the iPhone, I don't know how it works, but basically,
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if you use hands-free Siri activation on the iPhone, you do not hear the sound, but if
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press with the side button and you're wearing bluetooth headphones, you do hear the sound?
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It doesn't make any sense. Like, I would like to have an option for people like me who cannot
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possibly just say that phrase and then just continue to talk. Because I'm not talking
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to a friend, I'm not talking to my mom. I need to pause, I'm talking to a computer,
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I need to make sure the computer is listening to me. You know, because sometimes not even
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people listen to me. So at least the computer, I want to have a setting that I want to have
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a single, a simple option to say always play a sound as soon as you activate Siri.
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That's all I'm asking for.
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I would like that very much.
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But I have found myself like you, though, using the Siri integration already.
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I didn't think that I would, but I left it on.
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And then like I was both washing up and cooking yesterday with my AirPods in,
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which is something I do from time to time.
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And I got a text message and I was like, oh, I can just easily reply to this now.
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Like, because this is the thing, look, I know you could do the tapping, but I've said many times,
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I hate the tapping. Right? So I would never use Siri for the tapping. Plus, I didn't want Siri to
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be used for the tapping. I wanted it to be like the play/pause. And I don't, I'm not a person who
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wants to have a different thing in each year because I can't keep that straight. So I liked
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that a lot. And what I liked even more, because I was like, when I said it, I was like, I feel like
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I know where this is going to go, but Apple did the right thing. It didn't activate my HomePod.
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It activated my AirPods. The prioritization worked there because that's the thing for me which I
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Constantly frustrated in like I'm looking at my phone and my phone is in front of me and I say it but the HomePod goes
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It's like oh, that's not what I wanted. So I like that it used the context of I'm using AirPods right now
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That is what should be activated
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So, you know, I thought that it was very good for that stuff like for just changing the media
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but also for responding to text messages and I found the dictation to be spot on.
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So the microphones must be very good.
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Yeah, it's also kind of strange how I don't think watchwaz 5.2 is out yet, right?
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No, it's not.
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When you pair directly the new AirPods to the watch via the, you know, the watch Bluetooth setting,
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you do not get the high quality Siri voice
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because I suppose they're waiting for the software update to enable that but
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it sounds like the old low quality
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Siri voice. So you only get the crystal clear Siri
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when you're using the new AirPods with an iPhone or an iPad running
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iOS 12.2 so far. In theory, this should also be the case with the watch
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unless there's a reason why Apple does not want to send
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high-quality Siri voice from the watch to the AirPods, either because it requires too much power,
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or because they cannot support, you know, whatever it is that the iPhone has.
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Better Wi-Fi, better Bluetooth, I don't know.
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My question is, where is the voice coming from?
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So the voice is...
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The high-quality voice. Is it coming from the phone or is it coming from the H1 chip?
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Yeah, that's something like...
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Because Siri is working on the phone
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But inside the AirPods you have the H1 chip and you have the microphones that actually listen to you
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So I tried this today. I left my phone and you know my house mic. I left the phone in the kitchen
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I closed the door of the kitchen. I went in the bedroom
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I closed the door of the bedroom and I whispered in my AirPods very quietly the phrase to activate Siri and
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It's the AirPods that wake up Siri on the phone.
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It's not like the phone is listening to you and then passes the task of
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listening to the AirPods, but the AirPods are actually waking Siri on the iPhone.
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I wonder if it's a latency based thing.
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I don't know.
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So because the latency is better, they're able to send a higher quality.
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But only the new version of iOS recognizes the AirPods, right?
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So like they're just assuming it's like either old AirPods or like other Bluetooth headphones, maybe.
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I don't know, but it is interesting.
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I think it is actually a feature that I think I will use more than I thought that I would have used.
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So I like it a lot for that.
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But you mentioned how it is so much faster to switch between devices.
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Yeah, which is that was the only thing I really honestly wanted and it is significantly faster.
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like that like it takes like half the time which i think is brilliant
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it's still slower going to the mac than in between ios devices which i i find frustrating but even
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there it is definitely noticeably better but something with the bluetooth stuff on the mac
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is still slower than going from an iphone to an ipad could it be um the actual bluetooth chips
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yeah i mean i assume it's something to do with the hardware you know i've got imac pro it's a current
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machine, it's running whatever yesterday's version of Mojave that's out. Maybe it is hardware,
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I don't know. But again, it's way better than before, but I still just noticed because I had
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basically all three of my devices out. It's like, what if I go from one to the other to the other?
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And anytime the Mac was involved, it was slower. I have never once tried to pair my AirPods to my
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Mac. I don't do it very often. I do it to my laptop on occasion, but if I'm at my desk, I
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I need headphones. Well, I have all this like podcasting stuff here.
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So let's turn it on.
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Yeah, that's that's my thing.
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But like, I guess if I was if I was like using a laptop
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as much as I use my iPad, I would like for conference calls and stuff like that,
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because I use my AirPods all the time for those.
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I wanted to talk about kind of like this product in general.
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I love it. I think this is a great update.
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But this is this doesn't feel like a like a full on version
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two of the AirPods to me.
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like this does feel like a kind of a middle step to the rumoured product
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that's in the future of like noise cancelling and that sort of stuff.
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And I figure like this is not particularly a unique opinion,
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but this is, I think, pretty clear.
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This was a product that was delayed because of AirPower
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and that this would have come sooner, but they kind of waited
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and then maybe AirPower missed another deadline and they shipped it.
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And I have two reasons I think this.
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One, this is what everybody's seen, the box says AirPower on it.
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It says put it on your AirPower mat.
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And the other, the box has a 2018 copyright notice.
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Now, Apple, like, they have the capability to put these boxes together quickly.
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Like iPhone boxes don't sit in a factory for four months, right?
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Like they had all this stuff done a while ago,
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I would expect, especially because, I mean, the wireless charging AirPods case was announced
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in September 2017, along with the AirPower.
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So like the idea, or at least the technology to build that part of this product has been
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nailed down for a while and they just hadn't done it.
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And then, I don't know, maybe it was like, I'm starting to wonder, like, was it this
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case of, well, we have to ship these now because we know the batteries won't last on the first
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gens at this point.
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Like there is a shelf life
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to the batteries. Everyone's seeing
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it happen, right? Like if you use
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your AirPods every day, it's getting
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worse. I'm wondering if Apple
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will like, well, we've actually got
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to do this because there might
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be battery technology or older
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batteries in the original ones, and
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they don't want to keep making them
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because maybe they will eventually
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start shipping AirPods that don't
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have the battery life that they
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would want or whatever.
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But just their customers like
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And I'm assuming anybody that bought
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their AirPods when they came out in
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like 2016 or whatever it was, the the batteries just aren't lasting anymore.
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And that's like a whole different conversation for another time.
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But like if we just put push that to the side for now,
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they kind of maybe got to a point where they were like, airpower or no airpower,
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we need to release this product.
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And they've done it.
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Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if we see another version of AirPods in September.
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Well, I mean, so Federico has that prediction
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that they're going to split the line and make like a pro version.
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There was a rumor out there, I think maybe Germin reported it, that they were working
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on a version that was like water resistant and had active noise canceling.
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And that is 100% AirPods Pro.
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Yeah, right.
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Sounds like a pro version.
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I could see that, you know, as a model on top of these.
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I hope, I really, really hope that active noise canceling isn't the only way forward
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for this product because I like this product.
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That would 100% be something you could turn on and off.
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It's dangerous to have it on all the time, right?
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Like this is a product that is intended to be worn in all situations,
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like including walking down the street.
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And you shouldn't be using it in those cancellation if you're crossing roads and stuff.
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So, yeah, it's I think I agree with you.
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I don't know if September is the right time, but I do think there's,
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you know, definitely potential for a nicer version down the road.
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I'm sure that'll be the version that comes in black and I'll be sad.
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But you see the did you see this powerbeats thing on 9 to 5 Mac?
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Yes, I want to talk about this. So that wants to buy those and sell the AirPods. No, I don't.
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So these showed up in hidden iOS 12.2 animation. So like, you know, when you pair AirPods,
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like they spin around and open up. And so there's a version of that for these. And these are
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wireless power beats. So there's not a cable in between them like the beats x. And they go,
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they have a little finger or whatever to go over your ear fingers, not the right word. What is that
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that called? Like a thing like an arch? I don't know. Yeah, an ear arch, you know, so it goes over
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your ears. Just like the power beats do now, right? They have wired versions of these. And so if
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you're running or it's the sport, it's like the sport design, like it also clips behind your ear
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as the way to hold it in place. Yeah. So if you're, you know, running around or doing jumping jacks or
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whatever, they're not going to fly out. And I would assume that this comes with the this h1 chip
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and the new stuff they're doing.
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And I think this looks like a great product.
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I really like the AirPods and they fit in my ears well,
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but that is not true for everybody.
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And right now, your kind of next best option
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is something like the Beats X,
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which my wife is now on her third pair
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because they keep dying.
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And Apple just keeps sending us new ones
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anytime I call their support and be like,
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"Hey, these died," and they just mail another set.
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And so I showed these to her, I was like,
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would you be interested in something like this
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that gets rid of the wire and, and she definitely is.
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And I think a lot of people would want something that's true, truly wireless,
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where there's not a cable, even between the two sides,
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I would imagine these would do well.
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The battery on these killer. Cause it's bigger, like they're bigger.
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They have that whole big section that goes like connects to the clip part.
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I bet that that's a big, there's a bigger battery in there.
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I do wonder what the, if there's a microphone in these or, uh, yeah, how it,
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how it would sound. So because the Beats X, the microphone is on the cable. And that is
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true for the the wired power beats as well. So I assume it's got a microphone.
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Do you see what else is on those buttons? They have buttons on them.
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Yeah, so. So I think this would be a great option for people who want something more
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than the AirPods. I think it'd be cool.
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Yeah, this is like a real alternative rather than the Beats X, which is kind of like a
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I don't know, like a consolation prize a little bit.
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Yeah, it definitely felt that way. So. So seems like we're all liking our new AirPods. That's
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that's good. Yep. Okay, so we're going to get into the this, the sort of stuff from
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that every time I'm in the UK I buy an issue of Edge because it's not so easy to get in
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Italy. Retro Gamer, now the video game magazines, Vanity Fair and Rolling Stone. So this is
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the stuff that I've always wanted to have in a single magazine app. Now the fact that
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this app happens to be Apple News, which I'm already using in addition to RSS, is just
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perfect because for the past couple of years I've sort of complemented my RSS usage with
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Apple News so that I could read about some politics, but mostly entertainment, so music,
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TV shows and films, and video games in a separate app so that I wouldn't have to add all of
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those sources to my RSS, where I mostly keep tech stuff.
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So I was already using Apple News, and now I get to read stories from magazines.
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So for example, Vanity Fair has -- I was reading last night this story about this Chinese actress
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who was arrested by the Chinese government because of tax evasion.
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It's a wild story.
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She disappeared for three months.
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And I was reading that in Apple News Plus.
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Vanity Fair supports Apple News format.
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It looks great.
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So now I have this single package that has both web content from, I don't know, The Verge
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and Polygon and Kotaku and these places, and sort of deeper reporting.
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Now those PDFs, they look very nice on the iPad.
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For example, Edge is a PDF magazine.
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You get the custom layouts, you get the print tradition of beautiful photography, rich layouts
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on each page, but they are terrible on the iPhone because you need to zoom in and out
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and the text is non-resizable, of course, it's a PDF.
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So it's a bit of a mess right now in the sense that
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there's a couple of magazines that truly take advantage of Apple News format,
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like Wired and National Geographic, but you have to wonder if they're doing
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this just for show right now, because it's new and they want to show Apple that they can use Apple News format.
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because all the other magazines that use Apple News Format, they are using essentially the same
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template. All these big publishers, they must have found some kind of tool that lets them convert
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web content easily to Apple News Format, and so you get this very plain table of contents as the
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first page, and then you can tap on the links to the sections and everything essentially looks the
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the same. And then you have these old PDF magazines. So ideally, the ideal state would
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be that everybody, you know, a year from now, six months from now, is using the Apple News
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format, but not just to have, like, paragraphs of text and some images, but truly use the
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Apple News format, like Wired and National Geographic are doing right now. But I wonder
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if it's not gonna be, you know, a thing that these publishers, they want to invest on making
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truly beautiful...
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What is the benefit, Ivo, way to the reader of using one or the other?
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If you have, like, the Apple News format, it actually lets you do really fancy things
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like galleries and animations and, you know, these rich objects that you can interact with.
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It looks great and it resides like you can do full screen video, you can do the sidebars,
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the sort of sliding from the side of the screen.
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It's very nice, it's very beautiful.
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It's like, do you need to have printed magazines that have custom layouts?
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No, you don't need them, but they're pretty to look at.
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And that's the thing with typography and the print industry, you can make things pretty.
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And with the Apple News format, with the templates that most magazines are using, you sort of
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You gain the option to resize text, which is fantastic on the iPhone because it's a
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smaller screen, but you lose that, you know, that, I'm trying to think of a good word here,
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but that spark that sort of makes printed magazines special.
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I just wonder if the benefit, you know, from a cost-benefit analysis point of view, like,
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do publishers want to invest in making these App
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magazines that require designers and multiple hours of work just for Apple News.
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But time is a flat circle. That was the problem with Newsstand.
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Right? It was, "Oh, you got to make your own app to work in this."
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And Apple News format obviously involves less work than that.
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In fact, if you're on WordPress, there's plugins that do it.
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I mean, it can be pretty simple, but it still requires these content makers
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to invest in it, at least to a degree.
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And until it's proven that it can make them money,
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I don't know, some of them just aren't gonna do that.
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- And it's super, super easy if you make a magazine
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to make a PDF because it's probably in PDF.
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- You just put them in Dropbox or whatever
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and you're good to go.
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Yes, that is a little frustrating,
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especially on the iPhone.
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You open some of these PDF ones, you're like,
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"Oh, this is not as good as it could be."
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But I'm hoping that changes.
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- But then you open them on the iPad,
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you open them on the iPad and they're so pretty.
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Like I was taking a look at Edge.
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You open that on the 12.9 inch iPad Pro in landscape,
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I mean, my God, it's so beautiful.
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It looks like a magazine.
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- Because here's the thing,
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a magazine like Edge would suck enough when you film that.
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- Yes, exactly.
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That's a, unless--
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- Because Edge is like an incredibly
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meticulously designed magazine as part of the point of it.
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And it's always been that way.
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Like I was reading Edge 15 years ago,
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and it was like each issue was a marvel of design.
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And could they recreate that beautiful design
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in Apple News format?
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Probably they could do something real pretty
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with the Apple News format. - Not cheaply though.
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I bet, you know what I mean? - But not cheaply.
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Exactly, exactly.
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And it's not like you can, if you're a publisher,
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you're gonna say, well, okay, so do we need to invest
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making our digital designs better? Fine, we'll invest, but is it going to be exclusive to
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Apple News, or can we reuse this Apple News format anywhere else? And the answer is no,
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because it's a fork of HTML, you know, it requires custom notation in JavaScript, like,
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it's going to be exclusive to Apple News. So unless you're at the point where somebody
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comes to you and says, "Look, we're actually making good money from Apple News, maybe we
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should invest in making custom designs just for Apple News? Well then at the
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point maybe yes, the answer is we're gonna make a beautiful design just for
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Apple News. But until that happens I fear that we're just gonna see these basic
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templates based on plugins or, you know, these tools that let you convert from
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HTML to Apple News format, and I know because we have a plugin on Mac stories
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and it's nothing fancy. It's not spectacular, it's not a custom design, but
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it's functional, it's a bunch of HTML wrapped in Apple News format. So until
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these big money publishers actually see the big money coming in from
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subscriptions and Apple News+, we're just gonna get either the PDF or the plain
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old Apple News format with nothing fancy about it. I want to see what WIRED and
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National Geographic do. If it's something that they're doing just for this month's
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issue or if it's something they're gonna keep up. I'm curious to see what they do.
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I want to talk about real quickly the weird way that a lot of publishers are
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approaching this. So the Wall Street Journal, no matter what Apple's saying on
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their website, it's not the full Wall Street Journal. The Wall Street Journal
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are putting a subset of their categories available for Apple News+ for a
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couple of days. It's not everything. It's only available for a few days after
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publishing. So like for me, like I don't, you can tell me Federico, like I only
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want the technology coverage and I don't know if that's in the Apple News Plus
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stuff. And then today TechCrunch, there was an article on TechCrunch, but just
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slamming it. Like the idea of algorithms and like the devaluing of journalism,
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which is really interesting, I mean this is a very TechCrunch thing to do. Like
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that is not a slant. Like something I've always liked about TechCrunch. It kind of,
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it feels like their writers are allowed to write about whatever they want. Like they've, you know,
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I've seen them many times slam their corporate overlords, whoever they might be, right? Like when
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they're owned by AOL or whatever. So Josh Constein has written this article about like, he as an
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employee of TechCrunch is concerned about TechCrunch being a part of Apple News Plus because of the
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issue with a big company owning the algorithm and also like the fact that you know that
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this is extra conscious something that they will sell you for was like 10 or 15 dollars
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or whatever or pennies on the dollar on Apple news plus so it is a concern and I think that
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is one of the reasons why everyone's just publishing PDFs because nobody knows what
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this is going to end up looking like especially if it's true that Apple's taking 50% of it
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Yeah. It's a bit, I was asked by someone on Twitter, do you plan on putting Club Max stories
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on Apple News Plus? The answer is a huge no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Why would
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I give up my, the money that I'm making off the platform that I control for? Because literally
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every single person that subscribes to Club Max stories would, would cancel because they're
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all users of Apple products, right? You would expect, so why would you keep paying? You
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just wouldn't do it.
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And something that I also want to say, because I always get this kind of feedback from...
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There's some Apple News diehards on Twitter. There's a couple of people, they know who
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they are. They think that, "Oh, it's so easy to support Apple News format. Just write the
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code and it's so easy. It's never easy to, if you have an existing publishing platform,
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to add additional layers of custom code for something else. It's never as automatic as
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you think, and even when you have plugins. Plugins are a beautiful thing, but they can
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also ruin you. Because once you start installing plugins, it's not a one-click solution to
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anything, it always introduces maintenance and it always introduces additional development
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time because then you've got to figure out what's wrong with the plugin.
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What I'm trying to say is there's always a cost to adopting a new platform, there's a
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technological cost and there's an actual cost.
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For me, it's not worth it to rewrite what we do for Cloud Next Story for Apple News
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format, but it's also not worth it to lose the money that I'm making from the service
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that I control.
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Quickly, before we move on from news, just a couple other threads.
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One, it turns out that the Mac app in particular is super leaky.
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Steven Trout Smith just discovered how you can export all the PDFs.
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You just get everything.
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So that's not good at all.
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He showed me how he was doing that.
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Just make a PDF.
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some work to do there. Apple news product team, I guess. Uh,
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it was also crashing the day after launch, but that seems to be resolved now.
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I guess it was on the server side.
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That's super good that they could fix that without the need to push a software
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update. Bravo Apple, right? Like, cause you've,
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you've been way too stuck on that train for a while.
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So I'm pleased that there was something they could fix on without needing to put
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like iOS 12.2 0.1 out.
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Yeah. I still don't love how closed off news is like on the Mac.
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you just can't get a URL to open it in a browser. Just can't do it. Like you got to like send a text
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message to yourself or something. And on iOS or really anywhere, sending content to things like
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Instapaper is very hit or miss some articles, maybe if it's PDF or not send the content others
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don't is Apple news doesn't play well with the web. And that's really frustrating to me as a
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believer in the open web. But I guess I just want to posit a thought that my friend Brian said I
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I saw him tweet like Apple is doing to news what Spotify is maybe doing to podcasts.
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And I was like, oh, that's a horrifying thought, isn't it?
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But also a very good point.
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Like we're all worried about Spotify like walling off podcasts while Apple's trying to
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do that to journalism.
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Yeah. So that's I understand the concern raised by TechCrunch and actually share some of it.
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But that's a fact.
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It's a while that someone in the launch thing wrote that.
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But yeah, Apple News Plus.
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I mean, it's probably again, it's like a lot of these things.
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It's probably good for consumers, but is it good for the industry?
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Like, we don't know yet.
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So let's talk about something else that could be good for consumers, but I think
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is a little weird.
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So the Apple card that was announced their credit card deal, uh, it seems to be
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the most popular of these announcements.
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Like Kyle's the gray was saying how it's like way more views on YouTube.
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And it seems to be what people are most excited about.
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Neil Aptel, the Verge said it was the most popular story for the day on the site.
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But there are a couple things I think that have come to light since Monday.
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A, Apple says it's low interest rates.
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They seem to be in line with other credit cards.
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They're not doing anything incredible in terms of interest rate.
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So with all of these things, but for crying out loud for financial stuff in particular,
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the details are in the fine print.
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I'm not saying it's a bad deal.
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It may really work well for you.
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if you're going and thinking this is a low interest rate card, it's just not it's in line with the rest of the industry. But I'm just curious what the two of you think. I mean, it looks great. And, you know, when they were comparing it to like normal credit cards, like my wife and I have a credit card, and we use it for certain things and pay it off. And the it's not a great experience as a user, right? And what Apple kind of mocked these old credit cards for like, that's where I am with mine. But so I see the the upside
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to this but then like the part of me also things like is it weird that our
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favorite computer company is now a credit card company like do you guys
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feel any strangeness about that or that the credit cards are gross and Apple
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shouldn't do it like do you have any any feelings my my background being in
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financial services is that I don't find it weird like ever since kind of Apple
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Pay came around I've been talking about the eventual future of Apple as a bank
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because when you have all the money, because they have all the money, one of
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the ways to use that money is to control money. They can they can underwrite all
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of the risk because they have the cash, they just have cash in there. I think
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that this is a very interesting product that I would immediately sign up for
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because the user experience that Apple is promoting is far superior to the user
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experience you get from over credit cards. Like could you get a better deal
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on cash back or rewards. Yes. But are you going to get the money every day? I bet you're
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not. I bet you have to jump through some crazy hoop to get it back or you can only use it
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in certain circumstances. Like I think that this looks like a very cool product. Where
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I am in the UK, like it is absolutely no problem to just use it. You have something that's
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in Apple Pay all the time. But even though Apple do send that absolutely baller card
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to you, which is made out of a piece of titanium, which is just that like completely pushed
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me over the line, right? Like if I was, I don't know, like if I was like, I will send
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you a piece of titanium. Yes, I will sign up because that looks cool.
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I really hope that some bank here in the UK looks at this and wants a piece,
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because the reason that we can't have this, I think one of the key reasons is
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Apple Cash. So what used to be called Apple Pay Cash doesn't exist outside of
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the US right now. Apple needs a partner for that before they can even think about the
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card. But I am hoping that the excitement in the card will push some provider to say
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to Apple, "We will help you do this." Because I saw somebody make a joke earlier that the
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Apple card is to credit cards that the rocker was to phones. And like, it's like, "Haha,
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this is so janky." But I see another side of this. It's like, "No, you're completely
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but from the other way.
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This is Apple's beginning to becoming a bank, to getting their own banking license.
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Banking licenses take an incredibly long time to get anywhere in the world.
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They could, if US law is like UK law, they could just buy a bank and take their license.
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Yeah, we don't have any laws about banks anymore. You can do whatever you want.
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So like I wouldn't be surprised to see that kind of stuff happening in the future,
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but this is Apple kind of dipping their toe in and they need a partner and they've picked Goldman Sachs.
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And it seems like Goldman Sachs is basically their AT&T, where like Apple needs a bunch of stuff done,
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and Goldman Sachs says, "Yes, please, where should we sign?" and "We will do anything you want us to."
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And then they go to Verizon a year and a half later. Wait.
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That breaks down somewhere.
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It feels to me like, um, it feels to me like thinking that banks are creepy and weird is an American thing.
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Like I don't have feelings about banks. It's not something that I usually think about.
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Yeah, I think it's like that in the UK if you're thinking about the existing banks,
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but we have all these like everywhere in Europe, so we have all these what are called challenger
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banks, these new young banks, right? That are way more internet focused.
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Fintech startups.
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Fintech startups, that's exactly it. So we have these in Europe because of a bunch of
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data stuff that we can have. So like there is a slightly different view and a lot of
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the stuff that is coming of Apple Card is stuff that exists in applications and banks
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in Europe but does not exist in the US in a lot of places. Simple is the closest that
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America had I think.
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Yeah, or like Monzo in the UK or N26. I have N26, it's very good. But also I don't know
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what, honestly, I don't know what cashback is, I don't know what interest rates are,
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I'm not a responsible adult so what do I know?
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totally fine. It's cashback is quite simply, every time you make a purchase, they give you 2% of the
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money back, they just give you that I sort of understand. I don't think I have that with my
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with my back. I don't think I do. Not all credit cards have cashback. It's a specific reward.
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So we also have Apple Arcade, which Myke predicted their gaming service, you can pay some amount of
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money a month, we don't seem to know what that will be 10. It's got to be 10. But and you get
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access, full access to games within Apple Arcade. So these games will be no ads, no
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in-app purchase, everything unlocked. And you guys know way more about the video game
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industry than I do, but I get the sense that Apple has, like, is curating and maybe even
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paying for the development or subsidizing the development of these, turning Apple into
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into a studio, a game studio like Microsoft and others have. And that seems pretty cool
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to me like this is not for me I don't really play iOS games I play a couple
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you know I play the biggest one every couple of years but I am excited to see
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Apple applying their taste to this market because so much of this market is
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kind of gross is that fair yes it is always worth remembering that Apple
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created the grossness oh yeah they enabled I mean they created and enabled
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in at purchasing.
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And made it worse and continued to make it worse and could make it better, but they're
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not going to.
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And the way that they're going to try and fix the cesspool that they created is this
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service and the presenter, Anne Tai, she basically said something that I loved, which is, "It's
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hard to compete with free."
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And I was like, "Yeah, I'm sure it is."
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But they are, they have attracted a lot of very, as I obviously said earlier, a lot of
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the right talent that they're going down the right route of it.
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I like that, you know, all these games are playable offline.
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It's going to have its own tab in the app store.
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This is where I will be going to get all my new iOS games, like 100 percent.
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And they said they called out like these are going to work on the iPhone,
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iPad, Apple TV and Mac.
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I don't think all these games will.
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I don't think they all will.
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But I think a lot of them will.
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And I think that's great, like that you will have them available to you everywhere
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and it makes a more cohesive system.
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I'm keen how they're going to make all of that work.
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This is why I don't think every game will be able to work on the Apple TV, for example,
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or the Mac, because some of these games are going to need touch screens.
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But I think that they will be encouraging heavily and maybe, depending on how much money
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they've given you, if it's going to work on all those platforms.
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Maybe this is what finally brings touch to the Mac.
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I'm just kidding.
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That's crazy.
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Can you imagine?
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It's like this is the final...
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Oh, we can do it now.
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We can now play Angry Birds or whatever.
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Angry Birds won't be in here.
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Only good games will be in here.
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They specifically showed Angry Birds.
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And also, also there was, I saw this teaser, I think it was on Tom's Guide,
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of an Angry Birds AR game coming out in the summer that apparently was in collaboration with Apple,
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which this is obviously one of them.
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That's what the future of AR is. It's flinging birds into blocks.
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And then we spoke about Apple TV, Apple TV Plus.
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Is there anything else that we wanted to touch on that?
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Like I one thing that I didn't say was my thought on the shows. Um, I think a lot of them seemed great
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I'm really excited about C which is the Jason Momoa show
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Uh, I didn't I didn't really have a full grasp what that show was about
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But I think the premise is really good
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And if you don't know this is the show that is rumored to be the most expensive show ever produced per episode
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more expensive than game of thrones wow
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That'll be fun just to see what that buys you
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Yeah, like you want to test Apple's seriousness?
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Like these are the things like that one billion.
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They've spent that a long time ago.
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Like they're into the multiple billions now, I'm sure.
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It's got to be.
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But like they showed that one a lot in the trailers
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and it looked very Game of Thrones-y and like lots of expansive
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like scenes and lots of CGI.
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Like epic, like, you know, like it just feels huge.
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I think it'll be cool to see.
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And like he's another example of like a guy in a very, very, very successful
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Superhero movie making a show they had like they had Captain America just sitting there didn't even bring him on stage
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Like yeah, he was there right? He was watching out for Nazis. He was he was busy. That's true
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Oh, by the way, remember my risky pick of them all coming out and doing that photo
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So close they published a photo that they took in the morning with all the people that they brought in
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So close to getting that one. Well, it was your non graded pick. I think that's it non graded pick. That's it. That's it
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Cool. Well, I think that I think that does it there's been a lot going on. It's been a very busy March
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But now we're at the end of it because April is just around the corner, which is hard to believe
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If you want to find links to the stuff we talked about and most importantly links to our live show at WWDC
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Look in the show notes in the app
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You're listening to this in or on the website relay.fm slash connected slash
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While you're there, you can send us an email with any follow-up or feedback.
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You can do that on Twitter as well.
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Federico of course is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net.
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If you're not reading that every day, I just don't know what you're doing with your life,
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So if you like connected, if you like Myke's beautiful voice and his excellent thoughts
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in the world, there's other stuff that you would like just as much as you like connected.
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until next week. Gentlemen say goodbye. Cheerio.