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183: I Filed a Radar

 

00:00:00   it is so hot in this room and so he mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/0">TS</a>]

00:00:04   the humidity has been brutal here it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4">TS</a>]

00:00:07   only 77 degrees and i'm dying in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/7">TS</a>]

00:00:09   room because it's so humid and of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/9">TS</a>]

00:00:11   the product 90 degrees in his room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/11">TS</a>]

00:00:13   I feel great air-conditioning's on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/13">TS</a>]

00:00:15   haven't put my slippers on mid-show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/15">TS</a>]

00:00:16   cause my feet were getting a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/16">TS</a>]

00:00:17   cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   we should probably actually get started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/19">TS</a>]

00:00:21   huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/21">TS</a>]

00:00:22   no that's making on the show none of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/22">TS</a>]

00:00:24   not come on no yeah so here you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/24">TS</a>]

00:00:27   I'm gonna make you put some of that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/27">TS</a>]

00:00:28   the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/28">TS</a>]

00:00:28   watch this hey speaking of cars we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/28">TS</a>]

00:00:31   should probably do some follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/31">TS</a>]

00:00:32   starting with more reasons for qnx akc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/32">TS</a>]

00:00:35   do we have any follow-up he just said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/35">TS</a>]

00:00:38   that so Casey do we have any follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/38">TS</a>]

00:00:43   who he should probably start with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/43">TS</a>]

00:00:45   follow-up Marco that your you make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/45">TS</a>]

00:00:46   excellent point and we had an individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/46">TS</a>]

00:00:49   right in with more reasons for using qnx [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/49">TS</a>]

00:00:51   and these actually were the to my ears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/51">TS</a>]

00:00:55   and eyes the best reasons I've heard yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/55">TS</a>]

00:00:58   and what if we basically boiled down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/58">TS</a>]

00:01:00   was incredibly fast boot times were in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/60">TS</a>]

00:01:04   poor generally important for cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/64">TS</a>]

00:01:06   because you don't want to say have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/66">TS</a>]

00:01:08   wait until you're five minutes down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/68">TS</a>]

00:01:09   road before your air conditioning or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   radio turns on or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/71">TS</a>]

00:01:12   and the other reason that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/72">TS</a>]

00:01:14   individual gave was you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16   think about it the instrument clusters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/76">TS</a>]

00:01:18   on a lot of cars are often driven by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/78">TS</a>]

00:01:20   some sort of display or perhaps driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/80">TS</a>]

00:01:22   by signal that's coming off some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   connects derived computer and those need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/84">TS</a>]

00:01:28   to be real time I mean that data needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   to show you exactly how fast you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   going right freaking now and so having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/92">TS</a>]

00:01:34   real time I was like you index makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36   that sort of thing a lot easier by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/96">TS</a>]

00:01:39   Tesla's system is not based in qns i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   pretty sure it's just some kind of linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/101">TS</a>]

00:01:42   and you can tell like you can tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/102">TS</a>]

00:01:45   did because like you know something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   again like that last one like most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/107">TS</a>]

00:01:49   the time it works fine but sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/109">TS</a>]

00:01:52   like we were of state and and I heard we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/112">TS</a>]

00:01:56   were driving around found out directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/116">TS</a>]

00:01:57   and the map is getting a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   wonky like it was starting to like flick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   out and slow down a little bit and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/121">TS</a>]

00:02:02   not update quickly enough and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   that's great to like you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/124">TS</a>]

00:02:05   you're following a map to enter my turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   and just doesn't update so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/127">TS</a>]

00:02:08   looking at like the last turn from 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/128">TS</a>]

00:02:11   seconds ago instead that's fun and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13   there's one point where it made the turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/133">TS</a>]

00:02:17   signal clicking sound when the turntable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20   wasn't on a what there was in one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/140">TS</a>]

00:02:24   like I described last episode that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   had to reboot it three times so far over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   the three or four months whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/148">TS</a>]

00:02:29   one of the times that i had to reboot it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/149">TS</a>]

00:02:32   immediately before hand the turn signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/152">TS</a>]

00:02:35   was not clicking like it would turn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/155">TS</a>]

00:02:36   and the light with the indicator blinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38   in the dash but you wouldn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/158">TS</a>]

00:02:39   click noise so obviously the clicking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/159">TS</a>]

00:02:41   noise is made by the center console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43   computer like that it's adding it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45   sound system and all likelihood anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/165">TS</a>]

00:02:48   so so the sims one of the symptoms I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/168">TS</a>]

00:02:51   knew something was wacky this time was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/171">TS</a>]

00:02:53   the turn signal noise started clicking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/173">TS</a>]

00:02:55   when a certain terms of was not on i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/175">TS</a>]

00:02:58   driving straight down a road ahead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/178">TS</a>]

00:02:59   text it like that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   it's so that i rebooted again DX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03   goodness so yes I i would apprehend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/183">TS</a>]

00:03:07   anyone it's not booted the turn signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/187">TS</a>]

00:03:09   does not like one is rebooting you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/189">TS</a>]

00:03:11   turn and ended the indicator on the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/191">TS</a>]

00:03:12   the dashboard did blink when it was when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/192">TS</a>]

00:03:15   it when the computer is booting like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/195">TS</a>]

00:03:16   was still blinking and so I assumed this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   signal is still on i hope the light was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   still blinking outside the car but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   there's no sound again it's like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   those things where like when you tie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   these things to software that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28   II you are at the whim of the software's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/208">TS</a>]

00:03:30   stability responsiveness up time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/210">TS</a>]

00:03:35   know it's similar to like one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   things that that I didn't like so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   for the Apple watch is so many at so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/219">TS</a>]

00:03:43   many interactions are tied to force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/223">TS</a>]

00:03:44   touch and when you when you push really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/224">TS</a>]

00:03:47   hard on the watch face too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/227">TS</a>]

00:03:51   and you expect that button click even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   though it's not really a button even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/233">TS</a>]

00:03:54   though it's all fake and simulated you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/234">TS</a>]

00:03:55   know you expect that better click back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/235">TS</a>]

00:03:58   immediately as if it were a button and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   the same thing with all the force touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/240">TS</a>]

00:04:01   trackpad like they have the same the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03   same requirement like it has to respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05   like the physical object that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   mimicking right has to be quick it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/247">TS</a>]

00:04:09   to be immediate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/249">TS</a>]

00:04:10   there can't be any delay on the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   you know the watch is very slow hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14   wise and sometimes that sometimes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/254">TS</a>]

00:04:15   software gets coming up a little bit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/255">TS</a>]

00:04:17   so you push and sometimes delay before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19   actually clicks back at you and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/259">TS</a>]

00:04:22   totally breaks the illusion that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/262">TS</a>]

00:04:23   it feel broken or cheap or wrong or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/266">TS</a>]

00:04:27   whatever the case may be and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/267">TS</a>]

00:04:28   actually one concern I have with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/268">TS</a>]

00:04:31   force touch home button that is rumored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33   to be in the next iphone that like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   know if you get if if you push that home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/275">TS</a>]

00:04:38   button and the iphone software is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/278">TS</a>]

00:04:40   little bit you know a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/280">TS</a>]

00:04:42   overwhelmed or buggy or whatever if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/282">TS</a>]

00:04:44   push that and you don't get a click feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   back first few seconds or at all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/286">TS</a>]

00:04:49   that's gonna feel really broken really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   quickly so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   similar thing with like this car stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/293">TS</a>]

00:04:54   like you know back to this follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/294">TS</a>]

00:04:55   saying the QX is really good for boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/295">TS</a>]

00:04:58   time and response times of interactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00   like I totally get that and I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/300">TS</a>]

00:05:03   respect that because when you're tying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05   things to controls of physical object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/305">TS</a>]

00:05:08   that makes a big difference my complaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   about the ancient iphone 6 that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/310">TS</a>]

00:05:11   using is that I have a physical home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   button and I press it and it always you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   know goes in just like you said I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17   that physical feedback immediately but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/317">TS</a>]

00:05:18   you know it doesn't happen immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/318">TS</a>]

00:05:19   springboard doesn't appear immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/319">TS</a>]

00:05:22   that's what does it by clicking and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24   look at my phone like what are you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/324">TS</a>]

00:05:25   are you doing well I push the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   I'm know i know i push it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/327">TS</a>]

00:05:28   went in and then i went out and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   I'll ok now the animation starting i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   getting picking my old age I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34   getting picky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/334">TS</a>]

00:05:35   what you should really do to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37   seem like your phone is even older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   instead of saying my old iphone 6 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   should say my first iphone which i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   still using that's true yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/343">TS</a>]

00:05:46   think my cell phone sex is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/346">TS</a>]

00:05:47   slower but i'm just getting less and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49   less patient for like when it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   respond i mean and i know it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/351">TS</a>]

00:05:52   being slowly my ipad pro then I points7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/352">TS</a>]

00:05:55   driver was pretty darn fast i still feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57   like when i hit the home button on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/357">TS</a>]

00:05:58   sometimes I have to wait I want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   be instant just wait for the new touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   ID sensor it's pretty damn fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/362">TS</a>]

00:06:05   yeah I know I that use my wife so I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   that the touch ID sensor scans I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   saying like I didn't feel like sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   it's not responding to me as immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   as it has I feel like it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   who knows anyway the other thing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/375">TS</a>]

00:06:18   person to say about you know why why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   cars have crappy hardware we read some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/380">TS</a>]

00:06:23   other feedback from someone who works on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   these systems talking about the how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/385">TS</a>]

00:06:28   car manufacturers want to save money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/388">TS</a>]

00:06:29   pinch pennies and I said that was silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/389">TS</a>]

00:06:30   couple of the factors that were also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/390">TS</a>]

00:06:33   mentioned many other people are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/393">TS</a>]

00:06:34   very best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/394">TS</a>]

00:06:34   person is that this a long lead time on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36   hardware that goes into cars that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   development cycles are really long so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/398">TS</a>]

00:06:40   they have to pick hardware that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/400">TS</a>]

00:06:41   available like three years before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   carbon comes out and you know maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45   even longer so maybe like four or five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/405">TS</a>]

00:06:46   years but I'm coming over to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   something that is currently like 3 45 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50   years old by the time the ships in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/410">TS</a>]

00:06:51   car and finally stuff in cars has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/411">TS</a>]

00:06:54   operate extremes of temperature if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/414">TS</a>]

00:06:57   ever left your phone on the dashboard or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/417">TS</a>]

00:06:59   even in a sealed cubby inside your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   like not in the Sun but just tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/421">TS</a>]

00:07:03   taking your phone and putting it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/423">TS</a>]

00:07:04   glove box or in the little console thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/424">TS</a>]

00:07:06   anywhere inside your car on a hot day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08   when you come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/428">TS</a>]

00:07:09   chances are good after being away for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   several hours in the middle of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/431">TS</a>]

00:07:12   your device will refuse to function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   because the temperature is too high and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/434">TS</a>]

00:07:16   the the chips in the car obviously can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   do that they have to continue working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20   even when they're like 250 degrees or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   whatever and they have to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/442">TS</a>]

00:07:23   working on its negative 40 these are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/443">TS</a>]

00:07:26   real temperatures not crazy Celsius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   yeah haha similar like like if you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/448">TS</a>]

00:07:31   heard of like how slow the computers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/451">TS</a>]

00:07:34   on satellites or the space shuttle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/454">TS</a>]

00:07:35   because like you know like you your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37   stories you know about like how they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/457">TS</a>]

00:07:39   still running something that's about as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/459">TS</a>]

00:07:40   fast as like a 486 or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   that and like the reason one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/462">TS</a>]

00:07:43   reasons why they have to use such slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/463">TS</a>]

00:07:46   types of hardware is that they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/466">TS</a>]

00:07:48   operate in extreme conditions that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   just kill any you know like the chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   than an iphone and so it's similar but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   less severe in a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/474">TS</a>]

00:07:55   yeah that's their excuse but like still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57   it's a little ridiculous that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   that the value is the washing machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/479">TS</a>]

00:08:00   ships they're using like they're slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   than the ones in space probes the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   probes have powerpc 60 ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/484">TS</a>]

00:08:05   like rad hardened in them and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/485">TS</a>]

00:08:08   using chips that are like from a gameboy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   advance so it's see moresee that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/490">TS</a>]

00:08:13   made a gameboy advance fast and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/493">TS</a>]

00:08:14   anyway bottom line we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   technology we can make the hardware in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18   cars better and i think we probably want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/498">TS</a>]

00:08:20   to shorten up the the cycle time on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/500">TS</a>]

00:08:23   too i know it sort of all developed as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/503">TS</a>]

00:08:25   it as one big unit but you just can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   afford to do that if we have if a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29   manufacturer can show you in just a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/509">TS</a>]

00:08:30   off of the cycle time and they can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   a year newer electronics that can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   big difference i think especially like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   that as the as the infotainment systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   and even the instrument clusters and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/518">TS</a>]

00:08:39   that stuff becomes a more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   differentiator for cars as a software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/521">TS</a>]

00:08:44   becomes like all of the products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/524">TS</a>]

00:08:45   software becomes more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/525">TS</a>]

00:08:46   important part of the whole the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   product mixture the company that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50   figure that software out is gonna have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/530">TS</a>]

00:08:51   big advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/531">TS</a>]

00:08:52   alright tell us about audio sync in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/532">TS</a>]

00:08:55   quartz crystals which we've gotten a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   of feedback about market you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   cover this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00   yeah sure so basically so you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02   last couple of days we discussed a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/542">TS</a>]

00:09:05   back i discuss my my podcast tool to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   automatically sync up tracks that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   recorded locally for each person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   multi-person recording and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   sync it up to the master track because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/553">TS</a>]

00:09:16   if you try to import those tracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/556">TS</a>]

00:09:18   manually you think it up the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   in the in like the sense of time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/560">TS</a>]

00:09:24   each person's audio interface had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/564">TS</a>]

00:09:26   caused the problem called drift where if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/566">TS</a>]

00:09:29   you sink of our recordings like right up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/569">TS</a>]

00:09:30   front the beginning of the show an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   in we might be out of sync by like half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/572">TS</a>]

00:09:35   a second or a second my microphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   interface the little you know converter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/577">TS</a>]

00:09:39   in it that samples the audio at 44100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/579">TS</a>]

00:09:42   times per second has a very very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   slightly different interpretation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/584">TS</a>]

00:09:47   what that means like have of how long a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/587">TS</a>]

00:09:49   second is or how how many times it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/589">TS</a>]

00:09:51   to be then the one in cases of John's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   computers and over time that very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   tiny error can add up to quite a lot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/595">TS</a>]

00:09:58   so this caused the problem of drift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/598">TS</a>]

00:09:59   we've gotten lots of feedback about why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/599">TS</a>]

00:10:02   this happens last episode I speculated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/602">TS</a>]

00:10:05   that you're making these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   components physical components and any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10   little tiny bit of imprecision and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/610">TS</a>]

00:10:13   making them when you when you are taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   44,000 samples per second over two hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/615">TS</a>]

00:10:19   a very small variance in the clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/619">TS</a>]

00:10:23   performance of two different physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/623">TS</a>]

00:10:25   devices will cause them to to disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/625">TS</a>]

00:10:28   into drift over time like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/628">TS</a>]

00:10:29   so my speculation was basically like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/629">TS</a>]

00:10:31   it's not really possible to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/631">TS</a>]

00:10:32   something that is that is cheap and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34   computer like this that that is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/634">TS</a>]

00:10:36   accurate than that and we have to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38   with it and we had lots of people right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/638">TS</a>]

00:10:39   in from the pro audio world and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/639">TS</a>]

00:10:42   some people in from like the scientific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   equipment world which is pretty cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/644">TS</a>]

00:10:45   have pretty cool listeners also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   confirming what I said last episode that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   that pro audio gear actually people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/649">TS</a>]

00:10:52   going to say also pro filmed here does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   similar things rather than trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   like sync up a bunch of different audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   tracks afterwards and software from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   different audio recording sources that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/660">TS</a>]

00:11:02   might be on a film set or a recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   studio they use the concept of a master [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/664">TS</a>]

00:11:07   clock and they have like one device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/667">TS</a>]

00:11:09   whether it's a clock generator or just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   device that content has an internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/671">TS</a>]

00:11:12   clock and progear has usually clock in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/672">TS</a>]

00:11:15   and clock out ports on the back of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17   and so you'd like to actually physically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/677">TS</a>]

00:11:19   wire all to each other and they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/679">TS</a>]

00:11:22   coordinate the clock based on one master [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/682">TS</a>]

00:11:23   source rather than each device keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   its own clock and therefore reducing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/685">TS</a>]

00:11:26   this drift was a lot of people wrote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/686">TS</a>]

00:11:28   saying that was true and then the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30   feedback we got I I very casually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   mentioned last episode that i had just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   anecdotally found that laptops are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/694">TS</a>]

00:11:37   generally generally have more drift then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/697">TS</a>]

00:11:40   like a mac pro or a desktop or like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   imac and it turns out there's a basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   for this the quartz crystals that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   vibrate at particular frequencies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/706">TS</a>]

00:11:49   create these clocks these devices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51   have to be so accurate they are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53   dependent on stable temperature and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/713">TS</a>]

00:11:56   you if they don't have a stable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/716">TS</a>]

00:11:57   temperature that are operating or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   if it's just two different operating two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/719">TS</a>]

00:12:00   different temperatures that can cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/720">TS</a>]

00:12:03   these these very very slight differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05   and laptops usually their internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/725">TS</a>]

00:12:08   components usually operate hotter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/728">TS</a>]

00:12:11   desktops and also fluctuate more and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/731">TS</a>]

00:12:14   know desktops have much bigger heatsink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/734">TS</a>]

00:12:16   mechanisms they have usually larger fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   are spinning faster and pushing more air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   of them so desktop to be cooled better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   and so I think that alone might explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/742">TS</a>]

00:12:25   that little thing that yes this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/745">TS</a>]

00:12:28   is a this is worse on laptops or when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/748">TS</a>]

00:12:31   you have like one desktop on one end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/751">TS</a>]

00:12:34   the other person other end is using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/754">TS</a>]

00:12:35   laptop that might have more drift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   between them then if both people reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/757">TS</a>]

00:12:38   desktops or able people using laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/758">TS</a>]

00:12:40   and this is related to what I the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/760">TS</a>]

00:12:43   reason i was i put the original feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   and follow-up from like this seems weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/765">TS</a>]

00:12:48   to me tell me we can make quartz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/768">TS</a>]

00:12:49   crystals that I can because I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   him you know of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   world of watches which i'm not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   involved in but they do you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/774">TS</a>]

00:12:55   fancy mechanical Rogers obviously are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   terrible keeping time because i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/777">TS</a>]

00:12:58   bunch of gears and stuff but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   know and Tencent quartz watch keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   amazing time for you know for an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   year maybe we'll lose a second it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   so how do you make a stupid plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08   quartz watch that keeps amazing time is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   very accurate over the course of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/790">TS</a>]

00:13:11   entire year but we can make a quartz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/791">TS</a>]

00:13:12   crystal for our computer that is equally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/792">TS</a>]

00:13:15   accurate and there are a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/795">TS</a>]

00:13:16   factors that have to go into that having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   to do with the specifics of the quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   of the crystals or even for tents and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22   watch or whatever but one of our readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24   a reader's whatever is road and tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/804">TS</a>]

00:13:27   that the advantage of watch has is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/807">TS</a>]

00:13:30   is essentially kept at an even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/810">TS</a>]

00:13:31   temperature by being next to your skin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   so you are essentially temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/813">TS</a>]

00:13:35   regulating the watch the entire time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/815">TS</a>]

00:13:37   you're wearing it and that's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/817">TS</a>]

00:13:38   thing for a quartz crystal actually in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/818">TS</a>]

00:13:40   scenarios where they really want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/820">TS</a>]

00:13:42   be stable they put them in a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/822">TS</a>]

00:13:43   every what they called it but they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   him in a little device that keeps it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/825">TS</a>]

00:13:46   stable temperature so having a watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/826">TS</a>]

00:13:49   wearing it all the time keeps it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   accurate much more elaborate than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/831">TS</a>]

00:13:52   know a laptop that you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   temperatures are going up and down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/834">TS</a>]

00:13:55   you're putting it to sleep and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/835">TS</a>]

00:13:56   playing a game and it's just it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/836">TS</a>]

00:13:57   over the map so this is all very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/837">TS</a>]

00:14:00   explicable and now we should feel every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/840">TS</a>]

00:14:03   time you learn anything about the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/843">TS</a>]

00:14:04   analog physical world of components [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/844">TS</a>]

00:14:07   inside your computer makes you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/847">TS</a>]

00:14:08   scared and so now you can know that uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/848">TS</a>]

00:14:09   thing the regulating the clocks or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   pieces of crap to and change all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/851">TS</a>]

00:14:13   time you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   yeah like whenever you learn about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/855">TS</a>]

00:14:16   analog component world lucky you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   like we we live in like this digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20   world where we think everything is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/860">TS</a>]

00:14:21   like you know one is just on 20 is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/861">TS</a>]

00:14:24   off and of course when you get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/864">TS</a>]

00:14:26   analog level of like the physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/866">TS</a>]

00:14:28   implementation of these chips and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30   components it isn't that simple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   everything is kind of like tolerances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/872">TS</a>]

00:14:34   and variances an approximation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/874">TS</a>]

00:14:37   tricks and like it's kind of amazing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/877">TS</a>]

00:14:40   the stuff we have works at all as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/880">TS</a>]

00:14:41   consistently as it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/881">TS</a>]

00:14:42   yep i'm even just a clock like you learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   from like CPU design and even is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   propagating the clock signal around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/886">TS</a>]

00:14:47   died of a large cpu is kind of it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   of sketchy at best of all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   phase-locked loops and other things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53   make sure that that actually propagates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   everywhere and it's the same everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/895">TS</a>]

00:14:56   and you have delays and yeah so anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/896">TS</a>]

00:14:59   think we are now all completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/899">TS</a>]

00:15:01   satisfied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/901">TS</a>]

00:15:02   that we understand why Marcus tool is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   necessary in life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/904">TS</a>]

00:15:05   yep and speaking of in your quest to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/905">TS</a>]

00:15:09   avoid doing actual work you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11   filed radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/911">TS</a>]

00:15:13   yes I did I'm very proud of you yeah do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/913">TS</a>]

00:15:16   you want to tell us about this okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   last episode in the after-show I got my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/918">TS</a>]

00:15:22   time in the Sun or whatever the metaphor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/922">TS</a>]

00:15:26   is and but whatever floats your bubble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/926">TS</a>]

00:15:29   and so I got I got to finally explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/929">TS</a>]

00:15:33   the details of the mp3 file format and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/933">TS</a>]

00:15:36   the the efforts i was trying to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   variable bit rate or vbr encoding and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/938">TS</a>]

00:15:41   why podcasts couldn't practically use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/941">TS</a>]

00:15:44   vbr encoding which basically boils down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46   to the method to seek a vbr file that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/946">TS</a>]

00:15:49   you don't have also like if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/949">TS</a>]

00:15:52   are playing a stream and and the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   jumps ahead to a timestamp its way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56   the stream you haven't downloaded like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   the part of the file between those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/958">TS</a>]

00:16:00   points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/960">TS</a>]

00:16:00   you can't really know exactly what bite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   position to jump to to get to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/962">TS</a>]

00:16:05   timestamp one hour 30 without using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/965">TS</a>]

00:16:08   these look-up tables at the beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/968">TS</a>]

00:16:09   the VBR file that just don't have very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   much precision in mode in the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   standards are in the old standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/973">TS</a>]

00:16:15   they're very precise and so over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   course of it to our podcast you only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   have in in the most common jump table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   for i only have a hundred entries so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   have you know minute precision at best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/983">TS</a>]

00:16:26   you know it might even be less than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/986">TS</a>]

00:16:28   precision I've learned a lot since then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   I did a lot of experimentation I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   to a bunch of people and I learned a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/992">TS</a>]

00:16:35   about this so I was recommending the use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/995">TS</a>]

00:16:37   of this there's a 93 tag its abbreviated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/997">TS</a>]

00:16:42   MLT 4mp location lookup table and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:46   is basically a 93 tag version of the VBR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:50   offset jumped able to tell you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:52   which bites map to which time stamp so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:54   you can jump between the file easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:55   without having to have down the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57   thing just you know skander manually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:59   benefit of the id3 tag is that it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:01   any size like the the VBR jump table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:04   thing is restricted to the size of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   the one mp3 frame that they shoved it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:09   into for compatibility reasons so it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:11   to be like basically below kilobyte or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   so the id3 tag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   can be anything you want to be so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:17   id3 tag version this would be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   because you can you can basically have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:21   arbitrary precision as much space as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:22   you're willing to devote to this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   like for me like i was able to encode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   one second precision of the time stamps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   with something like 16 kilobytes of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31   total jump table so for like a 45-minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:34   by podcast 16k for some table is fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:37   and by having vbr you're saving like 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:40   megs on the file size in a case of it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:43   totally worth the savings to embezzle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   table so I also heard from Devon govorit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:48   after recording last episode i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50   discovered a github open source project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:53   called audio cogs and and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:56   group people who make JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:58   implementations of decoders for mp3 AAC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:02   a couple of the audio formats and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04   whole audio player all written in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:06   JavaScript that can act like decode and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:08   play these audio formats entirely in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:11   JavaScript and that support MLT tag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:14   these property BR seek methods and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:17   everything it's it's and if they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:18   it's an easy way for me to add support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   to this like that i could then have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23   sites web player switch to this and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   i would i would eliminate his problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   anyway so I heard from one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   authors of this devin govett we went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   back and forth a few times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   Devon informed me that the front offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   vbr I tag which is an alternative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:38   version of the that stupid 100 entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:41   jump table is basically more precise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:44   version that it still has to fit within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:45   1 mp3 frame but instead of being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:48   hundred bites it can be like 1.3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:51   kilobytes so that's like that's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:54   you know that's you have more space more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   precision medicine experimentation with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58   that couple problems came up though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:00   first discovered in the experimentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:02   going back and forth Devon that not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:04   does apples decoder not support the MLT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:10   or the this VRI tag that has the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:12   precise version even that that stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:15   little hundred bite version in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:17   the King tag that we talked about last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:18   episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:19   apple doesn't use it there decoder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:22   completely ignores it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:23   it does read these tags to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:26   duration of the files so it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:29   parsing them because the duration is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:30   also one of the fields in these tags so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:33   it reads them for the duration and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:34   you add them in a hex editor and you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:36   in duration you want their will show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:37   like a quick look at everything as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:38   duration so we know it's reading them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:39   but it completely ignores any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:42   entries that are in these seek tables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44   that tell it which bite maps two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   time stamp in any of these forms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:48   ignores all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:49   this is bad so I basically wrote up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:52   bug report and I i emailed some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:54   inside Apple to say like you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:55   hey here's here's the problem having and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   you know if if you guys would support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1197">TS</a>]

00:20:00   really any of these formats it except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:03   for maybe that maybe the stupid hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:04   white one but if if you support the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   front for bri frame or the awesome MLT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:10   id3 tag either of those would provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:13   useful precision for to our podcast to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:16   be able to seek reliably within within 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18   to 10 seconds of the desired point as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:20   opposed to the stupid hundred white one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22   which is like a minute off and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24   their estimation which is which could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26   any amount off really and is frequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:27   like 32 34 36 seconds off anyways female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:30   this around and I made a blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:32   basically make as much noise as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:34   about this issue because i've i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:37   realized I'm sorry for the massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:38   diversion here I i like talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40   like Randy apple stuff on a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:43   where doesn't get me in trouble and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:44   where you guys can take me a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46   and rebut me it's better for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48   reserve my blog for issues of maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:53   greater importance or more boring topics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:56   or whatever else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58   my blog is a great way to spread a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   message to people who don't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:03   follow me and that is often the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:06   like when i get myself into hot water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:08   it's often because a whole bunch people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   who don't follow me and don't really get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   my context are reading something that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:15   didn't write very well and where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   assume people would get my contacts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:19   understand me and they'd be the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:20   reading it and that gets me into trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:23   but something like this like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   requesting you know that Apple implement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   an esoteric standard of the mp3 file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30   format that's 20 years old that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   really boring and doesn't spread into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34   business insider or CNBC and there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:37   much embedded really controversial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:38   although hacker news found some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   but most people would not find this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   controversial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:42   so this is i think is a very good use of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:45   my blog and kind of its helping inform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   me like how i should use my various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:50   outlets looking for anyway I found a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52   giant bug report with example files an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   example of why why their way of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:57   ignoring you seek tables for long BRB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   threes was bad what you know what's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:02   how you can fix it that's it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   there's nothing has happened yet on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:05   front however i have gotten rumblings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:08   here and there that this that this bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:11   report has traveled inside of Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   that's all I know and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:14   anything else that's going on with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16   it is probably too late even if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:18   decided I was right and they want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   this it is almost certainly too late to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   get into iOS 10 or mac OS Sierra but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:27   would just love for this to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:28   sometime soon and the main reason why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:31   can't do the audio cogs and the average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:36   is like that the JavaScript version that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   is only about a minute ago the html5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   audio element can fetch a file from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:42   basically anywhere but for javascript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:45   file you were into all these cores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:46   issues and you also you can't cross from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:50   https to http and all this is like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:53   these restrictions of like you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55   various web security purposes all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   restrictions on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:59   javascript is allowed to fetch from and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:02   for me to be able to play podcast from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:04   arbitrary podcast hosts i basically can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:07   use this thing I could run a proxy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   if i do that then the podcasters don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   get unique hit information really so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:15   that's no good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:16   so it's there's a whole bunch of crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   reasons why I'd in practice I can't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:21   the JavaScript approach just decoded the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23   whole file in java script and basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:25   wearing been working on decoders so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:27   i'm relying on Apple I have to if if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:30   podcast vbr ever going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32   Apple has built in 30 coders that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   well but hold on so a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:37   questions here first of all let's assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39   you did desired proxy it because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:42   was that important you for the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44   client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45   why couldn't you proxy each request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   individually I mean it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:49   credible bandwidth but is there any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:51   other reason why you couldn't do that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:53   at least they're all of these hits our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:54   unique just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:55   coming from you and not the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:56   person that's asking for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58   the main problem with with that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:01   even if you are connected the proxy such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03   that every inbound request equal one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:06   back and outbound request which would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   silly in general but in this case may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   make sense right so even if you did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   the requested still appear to be all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:15   coming from one IP address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17   sure so and most know it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   hotly debated topic and the podcast of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   like what counts as a download and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:24   know because there's it's as as with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   most things it's complicated ahead so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:28   you can't just say oh well let me hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:29   you get noticed work that way because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:31   that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:32   yeah it doesn't matter listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34   necessarily so anyway most podcast host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:37   have their own idea of what what damage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:40   account as and most of them involve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:42   IP address of the source in some way so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:45   it might be like you know a unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   downloads like one IP like the IP has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:50   be unique within a certain time interval [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   for it to count as unique download or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:54   something like that like their there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:55   all these different tricks that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:56   do but basically if all the request came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:59   from my single IP that was running the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   proxy it would not get people's statute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:04   under count that being said i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:08   already wrote and run one such proxy i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:11   already have this and I designed exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:14   this way and that has exactly this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:15   problem and the only reason that I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:19   it's not really a problem that hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:20   got me into any hot water with anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   is because it's hardly ever used and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:25   designed it because overcast has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   twitter card on any share link i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   twitter cards and so that it so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31   view that with overcast link on twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   website or in any other client support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:36   the cards which is very few of them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:37   practice i show a whole little overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   embedded player and it works it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:41   so you know you can stream into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:42   timestamps it works perfectly like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   website but tiny twigs cars require that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:47   all assets loaded through them must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   served over https so i actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:53   kind of like a little little function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55   like a mapping that many big podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:57   host including libsyn our hosts many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:00   them have like just like a simple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:03   way to you can transform their they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:04   not they're insecure urls in to https [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:08   urls like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:09   simple string replacement on certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:10   things and everything so like some hosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:13   i can just redirect with I could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:14   redirect that's fine but not all hosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:17   and so that so I actually run this proxy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:20   that does this that follows redirects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22   and when it you know when it went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:23   host it knows about it can just keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:25   continued along when it's not it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:27   that proxy of one-to-one connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29   mapping exactly the way you think and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   the only reason it isn't a problem for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:32   either my bandwidth costs or people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   anatomy is that the cards get pretty low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:37   usage relatively speaking i mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   not a lot of people play podcast that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   way as far as i know so that's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:43   reason that works and to answer glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:46   underscore in the chat room who said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   send them something like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:50   x-forwarded-for header that I do send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:54   x-forwarded-for that is a header that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:55   that proxy is used to tell what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:58   fetching from the the IP of the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   fetching it from them so it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   way to look forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:04   they're the source IP problem is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   can't trust that so if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   podcast metrics thing that is trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   measure like unique IPS in an honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12   fashion you can't really trust if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:15   somebody sends you next 44 header and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:17   you get a whole bunch of you get a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:18   bunch of requests from one real IP but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:21   that IP so i'm actually 40 these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   requests from these other 10,000 ip's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:25   you really can't trust that for purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1645">TS</a>]

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00:28:31   well if Apple just implements this then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34   then you can start using it on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:37   because the html5 audio tag along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   Google's supported at cetera but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:42   about your beloved windows users or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:45   know next year is going to be the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   of linux on the desktop so what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:48   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:49   first of all we don't have that many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:51   them honestly like not a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   video use windows and and use my app or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:58   follow my sharing generated by my app or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00   anything else and i would love to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:01   that because there are other users out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   there i would love for more windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05   people to see the share links from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:06   overcast because that would mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   the share links are being spread far and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:09   wide and that's the whole point of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:10   share links but reality is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:13   reality is that they they really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15   get much windows you look at all so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   that's that's problem number one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:18   rather dodge number one where i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:20   dodge this issue but same reason why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:24   never test my websites in IE because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   my audience my customer bases tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   have such incredibly low IE or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:31   is called now what does it call now reg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:33   reg reg anyway the the main reason why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:42   don't really need to care that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   about this problem for other browsers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   other than like things that use apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:47   built-in decoders and my own app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:51   because it's only a problem for seeking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:54   to time stamps that haven't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   downloaded that's it in it in all other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:59   ways vbr mp3 to work great already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:01   mentioned the same problem even if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   added support for it that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:04   matter because you have to wait for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06   everyone to upgrade to an operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:08   system that includes that support that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:09   the apple just added in practice yes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:12   the amount of time i have to wait isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   that much especially for podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:17   listeners to a tech show like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:18   that's a pretty it's a pretty upgrad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:21   group like the it's I we don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:24   wait that long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:25   it even on the mac like I is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   like their upgrade curves pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   but the mac upgrade girls has not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:30   great like you're a year and be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32   fifty percent adoption which is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:33   than windows but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35   for people who would see it again like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:38   don't have to worry about using my app I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40   control my app I can update my app I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:42   have to worry about people who are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:43   to see the share links you know right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   now the showings don't have big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:46   audiences that they they get you some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   and some people see them and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   great i want to make them bigger because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   I think podcast sharing could use help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:53   and you know I mean everybody in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:55   podcasting things pocket sharing can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:56   help but like I Here I am I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   like I actually have something that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00   help and I want I want to get bigger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   better but the reality is even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:05   know if Apple had support suppose it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:07   makes it into the next major versions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:08   OS x and iOS whatever you know not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   ones coming out in a few weeks whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12   but you know next year or in the spring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   or whatever else it will probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:15   about a year after that before i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:19   reliably use it because at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   you know it's gonna be way more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   half because first of all like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   people who are seeing share links from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:28   social media are going to be way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:30   likely be on mobile than on a desktop so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32   the slower adoption curve on Mac OS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:35   not going to be as big of a problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:36   going to be offset by the large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:38   proportion of those viewers who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:40   going to be on ir on iOS and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:43   know android if if anybody can tolerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   me who's using android which is big a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   big ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   so you know I think iOS is I was we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52   updated faster especially as Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:54   figured out how to make people upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:55   by adding emoji and messages tricks so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:58   again like I think give it a year after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:01   they add support and i think almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04   anybody can responsibly do this and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   would be fine podcast listening if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   anybody doesn't know Rob walks the CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:12   of libsyn look listen as a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   podcast host that they've been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   forever and they host a ton of podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:19   including this one and if you listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:22   they probably host a lot of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:23   podcast you listen to i'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:25   all the really FM shows are hosted their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   it so it's a very big podcast host and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:31   they do a podcast forget what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:35   called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:36   I'll put in the show notes they do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38   podcast where it's like tips for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40   podcasters and then something like once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   a month the CEO of listen goes on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   and give stats of like podcast user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:48   agents like what clients what platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50   are downloading podcasts and listen is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:52   pretty good source of this because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:55   host so many podcasts across so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   markets that isn't just like technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:59   any sense i can give you on like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01   people use overcast is like how Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:04   nerds who know who I am mostly use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   overcast like the top podcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:08   overcast are mostly text shows they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:10   not dead but if you look at the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:11   podcast in the world is mostly not text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:14   shows so obviously overcast you so just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   not representative of all podcasters out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   there but listen stats are really close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:21   I think I i would say listen stats are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:23   probably the best representation we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:24   outside of apple and there are talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   of like you know how podcasters behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   in mass what the overall market looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   like and the stats they give I listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:35   and take notes every month and so he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:38   make a split up here so the most recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   ones except for june seventy-seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   percent of listens on mobile devices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45   every month that number increases so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:48   already very mobile heavy iOS to Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:51   is a little little over three two one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53   and that that reaches going down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:55   read is becoming more popular now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:57   because people are finally building in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59   like android vendors like Samsung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01   finally building in podcast clients that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:03   they weren't for a long time and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05   that's that's adding a lot to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:06   Android side but so basically but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:09   still have liked more than three times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   as many people listening iOS and Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:14   and and only like twenty two percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:18   listeners listening on computers so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:21   is a very mobile heavy market and a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   iOS heavy market so that's why I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:26   it's fairly responsible for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:29   podcasters especially if you are in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31   the apple tech world like we are we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33   audience is going to be even more skewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   towards recent apple platforms i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:38   one year after that support to this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   totally safe to do and I might even do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   it sooner that you feel optimistic about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:45   them actually adding support or do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:46   feel like it's going to be two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:47   before this bug is closed as behaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:50   when I filed this bug in my bug reporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:54   it was next to two other bugs that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:57   been open forever my i'm lucky if i get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2097">TS</a>]

00:35:01   a response that I don't find that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   bugs with apple because the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:06   effort on my side to feedback and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:10   potential benefit i will get from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:11   ratio is so terrible like that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:14   this took the better part of two days to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16   do things to do research properly to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:18   like figure out that Apple didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:19   support these tags at all you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   thought they were supporting least the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:22   crappy one they supported none of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:23   to anyone to to modify my these test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:27   files to like you know right these tags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:28   properly everything took a lot of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   to write a big turtle bug report it give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32   proper test coverage and everything it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34   takes a lot of time a lot of work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:36   usually I file bugs and they go nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:39   if i'm lucky they might be closed as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:42   duplicate and when they're closed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:44   duplicate I believe I then lose any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:46   visibility on that I forget what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:49   Destiny change the reason anyway so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:52   feedback loop is terrible for filing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54   bugs for Apple I you know people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   people who do it are good people they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   probably floss you know that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   probably very good people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:01   I i have a hard time doing it most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:04   the time because again like I i see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:06   happens with the few but i do file and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   they just they sit around forever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10   they don't even get close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:11   it's not it and and the few that do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13   closed are often closed in a way that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:16   consider invalid like you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:20   those they'll be still do something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:21   wearing clothes unless you tell us you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:24   know really soon that this is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:25   happening on the news built of iOS four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   a bug that I filed like you know six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   months ago that is easily testable like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:30   that they they clearly have a wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:34   variety of quality of people who go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   through the bug reports and many of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   clearly just want to close as many as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:40   possible that actually do any work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:41   the incentives are wrong there are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   saying you don't floss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:45   so anyway uh I using file bugs because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:50   I've had a very I've had a poor history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   of of any response from apple on bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:55   but this time i find it because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:56   figured basically nothing else I can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   I can't work around this like I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   mentioned the JavaScript and I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:02   doing the javascript thing but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:03   cause of all the cores restrictions it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:05   and it makes it pretty much impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   to use for an arbitrary set of hosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:11   that you don't control most of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:12   don't send course permission headers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   already so that's a non-starter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:18   you know i could write my own decoder in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   my app that can calculate these offsets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   but that's only one app and so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:25   something to make something like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:26   even our podcast that you would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:29   you know what percentage of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:31   download our podcast you can listen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33   overcast and a lot of people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   probably guess it's a pretty high ratio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:36   and it is compared to overcast global [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:38   ratio I haven't looked recently but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:40   think it's something like sixty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:41   that's still forty percent of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   listeners who don't listen overcast who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:46   wouldn't have who would need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:47   compatibility in this way you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:49   for seeking and streams i basically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:52   reason find this bug is that it's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:53   last hope to get BTR mp3's to be a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:55   I think that'd be great if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   thing I think it's ridiculous that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:58   aren't of thing yet but if there's any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00   hope of them being a thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   basically on Apple to do because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:05   apple doesn't do it nobody else can and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:06   nobody else will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   did you make a strong recommendation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:09   implement a specific one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:11   because I if you just said oh here all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:12   these things you don't support i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:13   imagine i'm supporting like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:15   terrible one that only it gives you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:16   hundred points and then being like done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   closed fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:19   yeah you know that my report actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   reads a lot like the blog post i wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:22   the book report first and edit to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24   blog post but basically it's it's a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27   know similar format and I I recommended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:30   you know I i gave three options and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32   said you know you don't post any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34   these right now this old one is not is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:35   not precise enough don't use this time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   and so I said basically the MLT tag will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40   be the ideal one to do because it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   arbitrary length arbitrary-precision so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:45   that's the ideal one if you only pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47   one pick that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:48   the farm for bri tag that's like 1.3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:52   kilobytes worth of stuff like that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:53   good second choice like if you if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   that i'll be happy but the best one to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   do will be the MLT tag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   I wonder if they don't support it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   out of laziness because like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:02   they are actually parsing the durations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   out of them but for kind of for the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:05   reason related to something else set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:07   another why why webhost can't trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09   x-forwarded-for maybe they're afraid is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   going to people with garbage data and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   then they're afraid all I can expose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:14   you know exploits in there like a buffer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17   of lower something because they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:18   crazy offsets in there and then trigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   but who knows i don't know that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   thing where it is or they just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   trust the the encoders to put good data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   in there they don't want to try to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:27   garbage data these are solvable problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:30   like you know make your your thing not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:31   have silly buffer overflows and sanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:35   check the the offsets in the map and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:37   make sure they seem reasonable before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39   blindly following may be disregarded it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:42   looks like line noise but I do wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:45   someone did have to write the code pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:46   these durations out of there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:47   why do they do that and like while I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   in there why don't just actually parse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50   this whole format and just implemented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:53   you know so I mean your concerns are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   that are totally valid and I can I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:56   can completely understand how like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:59   wouldn't surprise me at all if if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01   was an engineering meeting at Apple some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   ridiculous amount of time ago like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:04   somebody was like yeah you know what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   we could parse these things out but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:09   data might be wrong and if we just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   this like you know percentage of time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   byte offset thing that we kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:15   an approximation like that'll be close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:18   enough and it will be consistent and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21   if there is you know there's a school of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   thought that says like you should know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:24   you you should override the the stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:26   mp3 encoder because who knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28   garbage and you're gonna get there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:29   you could just do your thing but and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:32   you know just make it so that it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:33   it works its kind of clothes for short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   songs and then it doesn't matter anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   that's good enough for scrubber work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   like that they want the scrubber like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:41   when you're removing scar around anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   it's probably like an inch on some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:44   webpages you can't tell if it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46   what pixels on forever but for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:47   specific use case which is no no I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   had someone's not dragging the scrubber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   here i'm putting it off set in the URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:52   down to the second i want that precision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54   out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:55   hey YouTube does it you should do it too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   exactly yeah like so you know that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2457">TS</a>]

00:41:00   is an argument to be made there but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   know a they're already reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   duration of these tax even if they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   the whole file they still read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   duration from that header and so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:09   put garbage generation as it did during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   testing it says alright yeah sure this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:12   file isn't you know nine minutes long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:14   that of an hour like it's happy to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   that value so it's already trusting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   on some level also like mp3 encoder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:21   don't change that much like they it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:23   there's very few that are actually in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:24   active use today and they all right good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:27   data like this isn't nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:28   b7 anymore like we we have solved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   mp3 encoder problem mp3 encoder is work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:33   and they work well and there are next no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   one else besides me is going on with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:38   hex editor messing with these values [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:39   like that here I can't like total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   garbage on a regular basis so I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:45   what's what's more likely to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:47   happened is that maybe these decoders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   were written a very long time ago maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   around that time frame when the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53   mp3 was still very much in flux and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55   had crappy encoders in like the late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:58   nineties and maybe they just haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2518">TS</a>]

00:41:59   revisited since then because there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:01   wasn't a reason to that is the move that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:03   is the way more likely explanation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:04   this is like this is very old code that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:07   no one had any justification of touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:08   for a long time it works it well enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   so fine and that's why I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:13   ultimately it probably won't get done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   because I would be surprised if anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17   was really motivated to devote you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:20   a limited people have limited time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:23   who's going to devote time to this out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25   of there like engineering time budget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:27   inside Apple when they might have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:30   pressing things to worry about with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:31   supporting the new bluetooth headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   the next iphone you know I think that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:35   anything else baby somebody working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   is probably more important than this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   apples overall corporate goals and SP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:42   just supposed to be an AAC anyway it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   the future just use a different standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   format and those uh the the offset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:48   things that can be all the front of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:49   file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:50   yeah I love that magnetars thread that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:54   just use a different format does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   solve all your problems that you know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   the best yeah all things you think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   can for example doesn't get your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:01   doesn't solve all your problems and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:03   I guess make every encoder on the planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   understand your new container format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:06   will be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:07   yeah this has been a lot of time on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:09   topic I'm sorry to everybody who doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:11   you probably not long ago but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:14   actually got a decent response on other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:15   people actually enjoy hearing hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:17   about all this crap I'm very surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:18   by that actually but i guess our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:20   listeners are are both cooler and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:22   geekier than I then I would have assumed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   they were definitely cooler here i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:28   sure we also sponsor this week by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:31   tracker tracker makes losing things a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:34   thing of the past go to the tracker com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   right now that the tracker com enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2616">TS</a>]

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00:43:40   your entire order now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42   packers a coin-sized device that locates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   misplaced keys wallets bad computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:47   anything you want it's a little thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:48   you attached to anything in seconds use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   pear tracker to your phone and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   attach anything I communicate over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:54   bluetooth and you can find precise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56   location with a tap of a button so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   here's how this works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2638">TS</a>]

00:43:59   the tractor itself is quite shipping it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:00   is it has on it a button and so when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:03   push that button you can locate your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:06   phone so it works that direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08   you can also launch the app on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   phone to locate whatever you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   attached the tracker too so it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:15   for anything you lose your keys it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:17   your keys or a big one obviously you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:18   know your backpack maybe like your purse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:21   bags computers whatever else things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   have to find an object you have to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25   in in your home or are around around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   workplace whatever else attached tracker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:29   to it you can find it very very easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:30   with your phone you can also have said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32   use a tracker in Reverse push the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   trackr and your phone makes a beep sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:36   even if the speaker is switched to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:39   silent mode so pretty great with over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:41   1.5 million devices tracker has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43   largest crowd gps network in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   you're lost item actually shows up on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   map even miles away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   never lose anything again with trackir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:51   listeners of our show getting special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   just kind of thirty percent off their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:54   entire order go to the that's th e [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:57   tracker dot com the tracker com enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:01   promo code ATP the hardest thing you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:03   ever find is the website then you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:05   done the tracker com / ATP for thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:08   percent off your entire order thanks a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:10   lot to track for sponsoring our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:15   so John if the cell signal at your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   is so crappy why not and why not enable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   Wi-Fi calling and solve all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:21   the first reason I didn't enable this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   I didn't think my carrier supported it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   but I was just looking at the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:26   place in settings for some reason I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:28   in my head that just ended only a tease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   apart this is not verizon but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   verizon sports too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:33   of course I've never gotten where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:34   setting is but anyway it's in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:35   somewhere you can find it but the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:39   thing is when I turned it on and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:40   okay alternate wanna give it a try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:43   makes you enter your physical address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:45   because once you're on Wi-Fi calling if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:48   you call 911 911 can immediately tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50   where you are because you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52   coming from the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:53   essentially they can get a location for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   you which is kinda weird because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   get locations from Wi-Fi base station [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   and everything a lot of things use a and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   use those that big map of base station [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:04   mac addresses physical locations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:05   stuff to help a location awareness but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:08   anyway does what iOS says please enter a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:11   physical location so when you call 911 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   if you can't if you're too injured to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:15   speak into the phone or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:17   don't worry about that will come to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:18   address but of course that means that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:21   you go someplace else and you're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:23   Wi-Fi so you're working your own Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   and you call 911 and don't get a chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:27   to tell them where you are they gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:28   to your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:29   that's my understanding anyway of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   this message telling me after this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32   address here if you call 911 this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   where people go to but I didn't enable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:37   it because I'm like well then i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:40   remember to turn off Wi-Fi calling when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:42   i leave my house because then if i call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:45   911 people go to my house instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:46   where I am so that's one reason why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:50   didn't believe in on the second reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51   is this is the stupidest reason that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   reason i think is only vaguely so I but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   this reason is really done but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:58   nevertheless is a reason everyone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:00   their reasons this is mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:01   it changes the thing that appears in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   status bar to make some ugly thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:05   says like VZW whatever it doesn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:08   like the horizon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:10   fit Wi-Fi fan symbol it says different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   words like in all caps and looks away i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   don't like it that's a reason like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:18   understand even though i think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:19   little ridiculous the whole address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   thing fine whatever but because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:24   don't want to look at VZW in your status [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:27   bar that's your reason you you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:29   turn it on and see what it does to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:30   status bar i use AT&T like a gentleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:33   and so it says AT&T Wi-Fi but it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   rid of the fan thing isn't it or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:36   know anyway it changes what's the status [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38   bar I didn't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:39   location 1 is that is the larger reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:42   but I was kind of glad that I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44   legit reason why did it look at that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:45   could status bar anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:47   it would be nice if like I was intense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:48   movie would be and is enhancing would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50   only used Wi-Fi calling when connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52   to this base station i would like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   setting don't mean because then I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   say use Wi-Fi calling when connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:57   my home base station but never anyplace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59   else and they don't have to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:00   this then i get my home address to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   home base station but no and anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04   after I made the decision I made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:07   couple of successful voice coil calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   from my house where people could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:10   actually hear my voice so maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   verizon loves me for coming back to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   and not using this filthy Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:16   calling ok alright well I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:22   know what to make of that that he asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   that's moving on Graham Spencer's as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:29   indicated that Google and Facebook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:31   others also do a charity match on bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:33   bounties so just FYI and did it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:37   Apple like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:38   most people didn't write into a to gloat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   about how all these other companies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   have been horrible but they totally did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:43   anybody actually topics tonight or is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:47   this all follow-up we're getting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   that there's topics down there believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:50   me don't worry we gotta bring another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   podcast like two days I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   that's true to its somebody had to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   all deep on the mp3 stuff but actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58   it's very entertaining and I enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:00   so I shouldn't give you a hard time any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   imagine how much dead space we have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   it like the topic and everything this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:05   week if I didn't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:06   it's fair you don't know what's lurking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:08   down there and topics there's all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:09   of stuff is there more about evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11   yes there is actually really yes I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:14   excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:18   alright well hopefully will run long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   enough that we won't get there I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:21   anyway let me tell you about my imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:23   yeah it has it it has been rebooted I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:27   did it on purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29   it ran 21 days on the stock ram without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:33   a UPS and without a GPS I've gotten in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   contact with max lwo dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:39   owc whatever they call themselves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   have requested and i'm told that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:44   receiving a RMA return merchandise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   authorization so I think that stands for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   you i think what they're doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   sending me a box to send the ran back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:51   and they said they will replace it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:52   posthaste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:53   I have plugged into the UPS i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:57   pulled the UPS power and seen the imax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/2997">TS</a>]

00:50:01   day on for at least long enough to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:03   me feel better about myself i did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   leave it disconnected long enough to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:08   whether or not the technology would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   smart enough to shut itself down but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:12   believe i have those settings squared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:14   away in this technology so it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:15   shut itself down gracefully the imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   won't but you know I'm used to that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:19   point anyway hail so anyway I i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:23   running still on the eight gigs of stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:25   ram until I receive my new new batch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:29   owc ram i will try that if that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:32   work then i will probably very politely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35   but very sternly ask for my money back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:36   and get crucial ram which the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   Internet has written to tell me is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40   only ram i should ever really buy and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   I think crucial buyers any different ram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   the notary set forget someone at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   point sent me a long email telling me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:48   about the different bins of who buys the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   good chips versus the cheaper chips and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:51   I think Chris was in the same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   that bc but anyway I've bought OBC ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   for years and like i said i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:57   last time i had owc thing go bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3057">TS</a>]

00:51:00   the chip because my computer is ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:01   the chip the the the ram the dam was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:04   like four years old five years old maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:07   was six years old like whatever it is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:09   just I just assume like well it's so old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:11   whatever warranty or whatever they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:13   it must be completely gone by now but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   just called not acceptable son you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:17   like I don't know if they have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   forever lifetime of this Ram everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:21   bad they'll just replace it forever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:22   ever and I know it's a hassle to return [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:23   if you have to keep returning it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:25   pain but I've had them last for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:27   and years and then go bad years later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:29   and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:29   send me a new one it's things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   miraculously like try doing that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:34   the hard drive for example him a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:35   drive died after six years can I get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   new one haha nothing like almost all ram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:40   has a lifetime guarantee like almost all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   around that you would buy separately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:43   from computer like yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:44   they almost all have lifetime guarantees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46   but it's you know it's up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   retailer or the manufacturer to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   that a good or bad experience if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:52   actually have to clean it and I too have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:54   had only good experiences with obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:57   rama i don't use anymore now I just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   my computer with my friend from apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:00   because I'd rather not deal with anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:01   and the odbc ram when i was using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:05   because up until like two years ago was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:07   always great i had to I had to return it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   one time and that was you know one time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:12   in something like eight years of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   it i think it's pretty good yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:17   mean they've been really good about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:18   so far I didn't expressly reach out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   them they reached out to me at twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:21   i'm not entirely clear how they caught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   wind of the fact that I was having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:24   issues but they just basically said hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:27   can you send us an email and we'll talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   about it and I said hey here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31   situation and I spelled it out and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:35   you know it did it had been rebooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:36   every week look at this it's now running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:38   for 20-some days at this point I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:41   like it's the ram so they said yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:44   you're probably right i will get you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:47   RNA and we will replace it immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   I don't know how they heard about this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51   just I just told 80,000 people about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   for a month and somebody told them well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:56   but what I mean is I don't recall having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:58   seen anyone like mention me and them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:01   Twitter maybe that did happen i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   missed it but it seemed like they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:06   out of the woodwork as opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   somebody tagging them to to kind of wave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   the flag in their face and say hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:11   should pay attention over here so i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   not sure how that came to be but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:15   know hey I'm happy that they reached out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   i'm happy that they seem to be more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:20   happy to replace the ram because I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   like you were saying earlier i bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24   this room in january i looked up my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   order number and i forget when I was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:27   January but it's still january i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   that was somewhat long ago and I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:32   you know most things have a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:33   warranty but I don't know it it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:36   nice of them to not fight me on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   because I'm used to most retailers being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   like well are you sure it's the rain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:43   manish take it to apple for stats etc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   and they were like no no send it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:47   we'll get your ram so I said you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49   have to wait for someone to hear it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   it you could have just called them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:52   the phone all you gotta do is tell them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:53   you have bad ram and just like last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   I call from like I said it was years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:56   after i bought it i said i've got a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:59   dream it's okay read the serial number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:00   ok we'll send you a box like that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02   there was not even give them a reason it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04   was dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:05   yeah and i truly hand on heart was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:06   planning on calling sometime this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08   and then right as i decided no it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:11   long enough i'm happy while not happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13   that i am satisfied with my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:15   scientific experiment that around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:18   time when I'd finally concluded that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:19   the case that's when they reached out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   were like hey what's happening so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   was my plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:24   Marco I am deeply sorry but I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:28   ask john tell me about tivo lifetime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:30   service please respond to this week by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:34   automatic the small adapter that turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:36   your clunker into a smarter connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:37   car go to automatic calm / ATP for more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:40   info [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:41   automatic has just launched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:42   automatic pro their new unlimited 3g car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:46   adapter with no monthly fees and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   subscription no service charges you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   pay once up front for the automatic pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52   and you don't pay anything per month to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:55   use their services and their abilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:56   now the automatic pro includes always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:59   their 3g connectivity to let you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:02   where your vehicle is parked at any time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:04   and let you track your vehicle in case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06   of theft and of course is build on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08   automatic has been doing for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:10   it works with if this then that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:11   endless customization taking your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:13   the rest of your life you can do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15   like automatically turn on your nest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:17   thermostats when you're nearing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   home and of course tons of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21   abilities that you can do using it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:22   than that and the automatic API in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:25   addition of course automatic provides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:26   the built-in functions they always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:28   things like gas mileage tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:30   reaching your goals 484 fuel economy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:32   tracking your expenses for businesses so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:35   think it image of apps such as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:36   concurrent Expensify to be able to track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:39   costs associated with your driving there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41   are so much you can do with automatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43   and of course now with automatic pro it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   has always on 3g connectivity which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   makes so many of these things even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:48   better and possible automatic can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:51   call for help in case of a crash it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:53   detects severe accidents and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55   aren't able to respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:56   a train responder will call for help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   because you can't no automatic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   normally a hundred and twenty nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   ninety five foot and use our exclusive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   offer code ATP you'll save twenty bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   so it makes it about a hundred and ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:07   dollars great deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:09   no monthly fees after that you again you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:10   buy it up front and that's it you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   pay per month to use these services to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:14   go to automatic calm / ATP for more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:17   information and use offer code ATP to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:20   save twenty dollars off the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:21   purchase price thanks a lot to automatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:24   the smart car adapter for sponsoring our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   show once again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:27   ah John go ahead and tell us about 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:32   your saved by real-time follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:35   someone just tweeted at me that from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   verizon Wi-Fi calling fact when using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   Wi-Fi calling 911 calls will always try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43   cellular service in the local market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:44   first even when the device is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   airplane mode or cellular services off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:48   so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:50   now i'm back to just the status bar I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:51   suppose which is a silly reason I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:54   think about it i'll think about it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:56   don't like getting phone calls at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:57   anyway and i have lined up to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3417">TS</a>]

00:57:01   screenshot of that status bar we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:02   mark against which the show are to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:06   you can just see what a horrid actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08   is alright tivo the news today about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:11   tivo not really that big news but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:14   apparently tivo is discontinuing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:17   service for the tivo series 10 series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:21   one that was one introduced in 1999 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:26   what their what they mean by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:27   discontinuing is it will no longer get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   any guide updates or anything so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:32   it'll you know you can still watch shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:34   that are recorded on it but you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:35   recording new ones because I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:37   anything is on and it doesn't work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39   a VCR we can do manually anyway and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:43   because they're changing the format of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:44   the guy data probably modernizing and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:46   some way that we would be horrified to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48   learn about if we knew exactly what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50   were feeding because of these teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:52   here's one here's one was an analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   device that could have recorded video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   from analog sources it didn't it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:58   pre-digital and of course standard def [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   is all analog I didn't know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:03   could still use achieve a serious one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:06   thought they were already non-functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:08   entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:09   apparently can't get like semaphore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:11   flags like how does that even work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   if you have a TV series 1 and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15   sixteen-year-old hard drive or maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17   hard drive you replace it because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:18   into third party hard drive replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:19   or whatever we're still using it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   recall to add to record an expander does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   TV there terminating your service this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:27   is even if you bought quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:28   lifetime service that's what the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   about this the trees like oh I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:31   lifetime service but now you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:35   still alive and the box is still alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   but somehow the services ending so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39   tweet was 20 series one lifetime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   scare quotes service last about 16 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   and for this inconvenience tivo is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:46   offering your $75 prepaid Visa card so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:49   you get 75 box of you if you held on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   kept using your turbo series 1 for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:52   long and I say there are 3500 of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:55   series one stone use which is a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:56   number but you know anyway I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3536">TS</a>]

00:59:00   believe that there wasn't some fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02   print written to the lifetime service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:03   that says after 16 years we reserve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:06   right to turn off the service maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:07   should buy a new DVR but I salute the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:09   people are out there still using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:11   I never expected lifetime survive life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:14   controls an almighty boxes but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:15   replaced the boxes long before i get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:17   the lifetime service thing we used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:19   better i letting you transferred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:20   lifetime service from some nominal fee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   or free to another device to encourage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:23   you to upgrade or whatever but those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25   days are mostly gone the deal something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:27   getting worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:28   anyway I just thought this was funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:30   that they're actually while they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:31   still using it a series 1 DVR I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33   think I have any piece of electronics in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:36   my house that is 16 years old and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:38   working including smoke detectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:40   telephones microwave maybe I think my as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:45   discussed generation reconcile with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:46   oversized microwave maybe more than 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:48   years old but I should look at the date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   on the back of I should see exactly how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:51   old that it's better than that no DVR so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:55   that's for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:55   fair enough we had spoken a few episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:59   ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   though about Twitter verification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   because all three of us and verified and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:05   a friend of the show brand-new has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:08   verified now in the last week or so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:12   apparently it's made everything in men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:15   sleep better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:17   Brianna tweeted a couple days ago to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:19   record this fact i have not seen a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:21   single death threat or rape threats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:22   since being verified and getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   quote quality filter quote everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:26   should have this funny how that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:29   yeah that's exactly what I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:31   like we we talked last time like I joked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:33   like we have computers now like the any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   could be any computational overhead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:36   offering this to everybody like the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:38   that's totally worth it and we sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:41   heard a little bit more discussion from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:42   various other places about it it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:44   like the the gist of the problem here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:46   not that turn this on one be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48   computationally expensive for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:50   it's it's that Twitter it fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:53   twitter is very very tied to the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:57   internally politically that this should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3657">TS</a>]

01:01:00   be this kind of open platform and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:02   there should be no filters by default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   and that's a really nice Theory so is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:07   communism but in practice these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   don't look quite that well you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   it is really ideal and that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:13   nice and it worked that way for awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   and that's cool but you know the reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:18   is the harassment problem is very big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20   and very real and that wonderful world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:23   where anybody could be anybody in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:25   they would see it by default i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:28   that's a nice idea like blog comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:30   like that's a nice idea but you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   practice it doesn't work in practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   lots of problems with that so I maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:37   that this should know that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:40   quality filter feature that is available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:42   to verify Twitter accounts not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:44   should be available to everybody but i'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:45   even say it should be on by default we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:48   have not agree with that yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:50   know why you wouldn't have it on by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:51   default i guess the idea that maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:53   filter is bad and things will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55   accidentally get filtered out but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:56   it's not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:58   it's like gmail has spam filtering off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3718">TS</a>]

01:01:59   by default of course right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01   sometimes things end up in your spam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:04   folder when they shouldn't be in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06   but like no one would say the correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08   default is off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:09   yeah I don't get it finally in follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:13   and over an hour in a few people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:17   taken to task for saying in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:19   episode of me was one reason episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:22   that I was not satisfied with apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:25   diversity numbers particularly with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   ethnicities and and how many white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:32   employees apple has as opposed to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:35   races and what I said was you know hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:38   this is really unfortunate or in and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:41   looks like as I look at these numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43   again fifty-six percent of apples white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45   as a self-report today and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   people said in various degrees of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:49   obnoxiousness what's the appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:51   amount of diversity because the country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:52   is I don't have those numbers in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:54   of me but something like sixty or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   seventy percent white so if they're less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:59   white than America then what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:02   problem and I don't have any simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:05   answer for that it's it's something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:07   hadn't considered and it is a fair point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:08   but i would i would point out that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:12   all of apple's in America and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:15   probably should be factored in as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:16   but i think the the biggest thing to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:21   was that Apple seems to have made not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:25   lot of change from just a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27   years ago when they started reporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   this which I admire they didn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:31   that much change yet it seems like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:35   thing that was completely unacceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:37   couple a couple years ago is now look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:39   us and how wonderful we are and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:41   just seems kind of weird to me i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:45   know if you guys had any thoughts on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:46   this but that that's basically the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:48   that I still stand by which is it hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:52   gotten that much better why are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:53   really celebrating it like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:54   completely turned around so before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:57   let John tell us the truth and why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:58   is you know before the John basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:01   like rock this and and do everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:03   correctly i will just kind of speak for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   for myself and for i think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:07   people who listen to this kind of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:09   and you see these kind of things I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:12   that be having been just in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:15   area of people discussing this for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17   while now I know now that it is like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:22   is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:23   never that simple and so it like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25   you when you throw a stat like well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:27   know America's x percent white and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29   that's fine like it is usually not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:32   simple and so I know to keep my mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:35   shut with things like that because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:37   know like I hear someone that I'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:38   like yeah that might make logical sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:40   when you read it like 140 characters but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:43   I bet there's more to the issue than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:44   that and so it's important when you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:48   responding to people not UKC but youyou [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:50   the public and I'm talking myself to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   like don't jump to a conclusion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:55   because chances are the issue is way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:56   more complicated than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:58   so John tell us why I was gonna start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:02   getting anything but i'm i'm basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:03   on what you just said that's a that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:06   something I always notice on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:08   when we all notice that to some degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:09   or another whether we're doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:11   ourselves we see other people doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:12   where people will start from the premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:18   and then start throwing out facts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:19   support of that and it's fine right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:22   because why wouldn't you you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24   this is what you think and so you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   find facts that support what you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:27   of when you will list those facts but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:30   is important to kind of ask yourself why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:34   like why am i seeking out the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:37   i can find that align with this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   that I already think like am I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41   thinking about the situation where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43   merely just trying to find something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:44   that was formerly so that maybe I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:47   it's you know it's like university but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:49   perhaps someone who was telling Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51   hey you you said this percentage is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53   but it's about the ratio of the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:57   the people united states its you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3957">TS</a>]

01:05:59   go look up the ratio of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:01   United States you could do is this a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:02   example because they're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:03   completely intellectually honest but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:04   lot of times it's easy to see an issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:05   come up and people immediately go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:09   looking for something making throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:11   that supports their thing never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:13   asking why am I so desperate to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:15   things to that support this rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:17   you know looking at the looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:19   issue from first principles are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:21   understanding that the wider context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:22   because they'll always be things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:23   especially you know statistics that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:25   help support one side of the other but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:28   if you're only ever looking for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:29   saying repeatedly to anyone who mentions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:30   anything about the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:32   the few facts you have in your back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:33   pocket that support the one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:35   you care about you probably are missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:37   the larger issue and what you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:38   missing more is why is it so important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:40   to you that your current view of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:42   exactly correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:44   so anyway as for the specific stats i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:47   don't know i thought the stats were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:49   us only so i think their percentages for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:51   you know the white employees that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   actually accurate to the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:56   the United States has that percentage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:57   the population and that's their you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4017">TS</a>]

01:06:58   so i thought that was an apt comparison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00   but like Marco said it's never quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:02   that simple because you know especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04   with statistics you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:06   they're taking like all their employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:07   right and all us employees Apple employs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:11   a lot of people and are not all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:13   jobs are the same if you start looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:15   at different sections of employees the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   percentages I think they do this don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:18   break it down the page and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:20   percentages will change you know pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:23   dramatically by five to ten percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:25   maybe even more if you look at like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:28   top level of the org chart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:30   director-level c-level executives they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:33   are not 56% white right so and then all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:38   the way down to look at engineering vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:40   QA vs retail versus you know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:42   different any other different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:44   categorizations if you want them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:46   together it's nice to get a nice a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:47   but you don't know what the pieces are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:48   right and so that that's not apples not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:51   trying to mislead anybody there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:53   not going to break down there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:55   hiring in their employees by individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:57   job level and location and and what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4077">TS</a>]

01:08:00   is the population in the state of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:01   Maryland and one of the retail boys in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:03   the state of Maryland and what about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:04   like it's just they're not going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:06   that right but that is Apple's job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:07   internally to work on this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:10   because if their overall numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   happened to work out to the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:14   percentage of the United States but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:16   only because like all the leaders of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   company or white men and all the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:20   the company or not that's not that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:23   not achieving your goal of diversity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:25   write your goal is not to make a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:26   of numbers match a bunch of the numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:28   you can always pick numbers to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:29   look better or worse and some degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:31   apple may be doing that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:32   high-level numbers that are up there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:34   that's not the goal of the thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:35   you're not Apple is not an amorphous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37   blob of people are combined into one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   google person they're a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:40   individual people and you want to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:43   if you know if I get a job at out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   what are my chances of you know being in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:48   charge of all software an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:50   what are my chances of raising a rising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52   to the level of the org chart where I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:53   taking meetings with the with tim cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:55   and stuff what you know what are my odds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:57   of becoming a an engineering manager or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4137">TS</a>]

01:09:00   leading whatever and if you look around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:01   you an apple and it's like gee everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:02   who's engineering manager is a white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   dude and everyone in the board meetings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:07   as a white dude and everybody was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:09   onstage WBC's a white dude as as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:11   know to a first approximation that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:13   the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:14   not too many years ago and you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16   that even now that file the company like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:18   that maybe you feel like oh sure I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:20   get a job at an apple store they're good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   at it but like can I you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:25   do I feel like this company is a is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:29   giving equal opportunity to everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:30   and that's what Apple is working towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:32   and I don't think they have yet achieved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:33   it was about to be putting out these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35   numbers so that case he said it were if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:40   these numbers were given these big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:41   aggregates and they haven't changed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   much from from year to year two shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:45   they're making slow progress right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:47   so it's not phenomenal progress but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:49   certainly doesn't mean because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:50   say fifty six percent less than sixty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:52   percent therefore there done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:53   absolutely doesn't mean that because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55   doesn't take much thinking to realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:57   well that's just a bigger your number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4197">TS</a>]

01:09:58   and it's not that's not the goal the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:00   goal is not to simply people are asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:01   that i can honestly asking like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:03   the goal what numbers you supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05   see here to let you know that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:07   achieved its goal of diversity and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:09   answer is those numbers are never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   to tell you that right otherwise you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:13   know they wouldn't they wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:14   continuing along this path they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:15   just say when we're done we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:16   accomplished our goal is not great right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:18   and that's before you even get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:21   office of like percentage of US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:22   population versus percentage of US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:24   population of working-age like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26   babies not children not retired people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:29   you know so it's numbers are complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:31   but I anyway I'm i am confident that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:34   Apple understands the problem before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:35   them and is working towards it just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:38   as I am not particularly tied to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:41   specific numbers that throughout on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:42   these pages are basically looking for is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:43   our little grass they put up going in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:46   upward direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:47   do they have enough of them every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:48   so they show their making progress and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:50   how fast that progress one of the slopes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:52   look like yeah that's about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:57   alright well we are out of follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4257">TS</a>]

01:11:00   thanks a lot 43 sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4260">TS</a>]

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01:11:04   will see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:08   now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:12   mean to be in as it was accidental death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:16   was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:18   John didn't research Marco and Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:22   would let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:24   because it was accidental was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:28   and you can find the show know today p [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4288">TS</a>]

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01:11:45   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:53   syracuse it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4313">TS</a>]

01:12:05   don't want to talk about the Intel fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:10   thing that's topic can we make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4330">TS</a>]

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01:12:15   mmm yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:18   maybe I don't do it let's take down what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:21   we have here is where we have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:22   after-show then we can do Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:23   stories and stories good ideas that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:25   fluffy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:26   yeah it's it's this thing that appear on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   top of Instagram recently that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:30   confusing all the old people like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:31   you're not that old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:33   your wife's face is always up there she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:37   figured out very quickly because she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:40   young at heart and also biologically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:42   then I am I am 2014 13 pounds i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:47   like six about sex yet so I i am too old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:52   to understand snapchat so instagram has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:55   basically cloned a a major part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:58   snapchat into the Instagram interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4378">TS</a>]

01:13:00   which has just confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:02   instagram for me and now I have this row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:05   of heads on top of instagram i tap them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:07   and weird things happen and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:09   really know what I'm supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:10   doing with this can you explain to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:11   so John a year i don't think i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:14   any post from you yet so you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:16   producing using this although i presume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:19   you're at least consuming it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:20   fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:21   yeah I don't see myself wearing one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:23   these videos but they're up there on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:24   top of the faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:25   ok so the idea here from what I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:29   understand someone who's never used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:30   snapchat and didn't really have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:32   interest in snapchat is with instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:35   stories you can take a photo or a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:40   that is semi ephemeral so I believe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:44   after a day they will self-destruct and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:47   your phone explodes it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49   inconvenient now they will self-destruct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:50   and then they won't be available anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:53   not to you not to anyone else and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55   idea is if your Instagram profile in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4435">TS</a>]

01:14:00   photos that you post on Instagram proper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02   is the like super stage super deliberate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:06   super-serious version of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:08   instagram stories which is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:10   ephemeral thing is more of the candied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:14   fun-loving like a here's here's me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:16   here's the real me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:18   take it or leave it sort of thing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:20   actually wanted to call out the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:23   episode of connected which is episode 13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25   the hosted a really incredible job of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:30   talking about kind of what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:31   motivations are behind Instagram stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:33   and how it's different than than regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:36   Instagram but regardless I've really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:40   been enjoying it a lot more than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:42   thought I would as someone who had not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:44   even the slightest interest in snapchat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:46   and one of the common complaints about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:48   snapchat that I've understood is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:50   anyone who is over the age of about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:52   eighteen finds the interface completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:54   inscrutable and everything's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:56   gesture-based and as much as we all hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:59   tutorials as you install an app for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:01   first time there this is one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:04   instances where a tutorial or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:05   walkthrough or onboarding would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:08   perhaps been useful in snapchat because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:11   everything's gesture-based nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:12   obvious everything's weird Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:15   there's a little bit of that Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:16   stories but it's not nearly as bad and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:19   was able to figure it out pretty quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:21   and I'd classify myself as an old man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:24   just as much as you two are and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:27   been enjoying both consuming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:28   creating one of the things I've wondered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:31   as I consider whether or not to post a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4531">TS</a>]

01:15:33   new entry in my Instagram story which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:35   sounds super cheesy but anyway one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:38   these have been considering is why would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:40   anyone else give a crap about this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:42   like as an example i was going to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:44   picture my setup at work and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:47   after having obscured that the sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:49   parts of what was on my computer screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:51   and then it occurred to me i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:53   anyone really gives crap and so while i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:55   was at the beach you know it i'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:57   vacation we that's exciting and kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4557">TS</a>]

01:15:59   cool or whatever I i posted a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:02   times then but now that I'm back in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:05   normal grind well it's not my normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:07   high roller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:08   you know look at me I'm so awesome life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:10   it's my normal grind so I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:12   I'll be producing that much for posting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:15   that often of from now until the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:18   time I do something interesting but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:21   really liked the idea and I echo what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:23   Mike it said on unconnected with a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:27   talk about it and he and I both talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:28   about this on analog as well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:30   Instagram is kind of my happy social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:32   network i get a lot out of out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:35   Twitter and I enjoy twitter but Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:37   is nevertheless kind of a dumpster fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:41   where I cannot remember a time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:44   instagram has made me anything but happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:47   and even with stories it makes me happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:50   in a different way because it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:51   the fun ephemeral you know hey it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:54   gonna be perfect and that's okay because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4614">TS</a>]

01:16:55   life isn't perfect and and it's brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:58   and this is a super sleazy business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:01   eater but it's brought my engagement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:02   with instagram up even more and I check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:04   Instagram a handful times a day because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:06   I enjoyed so much but now I found myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:08   checking it more often wondering which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:10   one of my friends because I tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:11   follow mostly friends on Instagram which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:14   one of my friends posted something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:15   and something worth looking at and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:17   have really been enjoying it two thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:20   up from me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:21   I think it's super super interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:23   it seems to have traction so far don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:26   think it's a flash-in-the-pan this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:29   the next peach i don't think but remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:32   me that in six months is physically yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:34   i mean like this i have i've been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:37   Instagram or more recently been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:39   the Explorer view a little search thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:40   at the bottom which to pinterest me too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:42   and I didn't even realize that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:44   that was there I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:45   literally a search and I never wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:47   search for anything so I never visited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:49   that tab and it turns out it's more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:51   a browser Explorer view and you kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:54   let you know you like you pick topics so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:55   mine's like full of watches and puppies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4675">TS</a>]

01:17:57   now which is awesome and I didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4677">TS</a>]

01:17:59   that either actually it is really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:02   to me i'm using Instagram Milano and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:04   have the same things as you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:05   Instagram is is just feel good place it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:08   is both to browse and to post it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4688">TS</a>]

01:18:11   just nice place to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:12   people aren't universally terrible on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:15   Twitter well i'm in general like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:18   saying even including all services that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:20   we have people in general are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:22   terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:23   the design of a social thing online and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:27   social constructs social service like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:28   the whole design of it the structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:31   what's allowed what's possible how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4711">TS</a>]

01:18:34   things work who sees what that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:37   effects how you how horrible people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:41   are enabled to be and how and what kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:44   of impact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:44   they're horribleness can have so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:46   same like the same group of people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:49   use two different services and act very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:51   differently on them and get very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:53   different things out of them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:54   because of differences in their design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:55   and so even if the exact same even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:58   Twitter's entire user base is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   facebook is also instagrams exactly is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:02   your base you have better results on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:04   instagram because just the form and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:07   structure and like the way everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:08   works in a set of expectations of of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:11   and the format and everything just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:12   encourage better behavior and limit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:15   places people can be horrible to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:17   so that's good what worries me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:20   this and you know and I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:22   interview snapchat was you know the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:24   again yet that conversation connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:25   was awesome and willing to it one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:28   reasons i never had to get into it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:30   because no one that I know really uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:33   it like all the people i would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:35   interacting with our on twitter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:36   instagram so I don't need to use first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:39   of all don't use facebook which is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:41   because i want to use facebook and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:43   also and yes i know they own it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:44   doesn't matter and i also never had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:47   use snapchat because just you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:49   people aren't there really so to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:52   that to Instagram to basically bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:54   like a major feature of snapchat to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:56   Instagram is kind of okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4796">TS</a>]

01:20:00   on one level because it's like well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:02   was gonna use snapchat anyway because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:05   friends weren't there but on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:07   hand it really shows what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09   Facebook has always been a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:10   tasteless company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:12   facebook is pragmatic and ruthless and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:14   tasteless just like Microsoft was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:17   eighties and nineties really facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:19   now is this this conglomerate really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:21   they have tons of properties that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:24   major on the internet they have they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:26   have Facebook itself which is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:28   the biggest web property in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:31   and probably will stay that way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:32   quite some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4832">TS</a>]

01:20:33   anything that gets really big that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35   think might threaten that they just buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   it they have enough money to keep doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:38   that indefinitely and they are clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:42   totally okay with like well if you won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:45   let us buy you were just gonna rip you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:46   off and we'll just kill you that way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:49   that strategy doesn't always work it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:52   with you know Microsoft the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:54   you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:55   Apple has done things that like on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:57   smaller scale sure locking things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:58   they don't usually do a huge scale job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:00   of it stuff like this google does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:02   sometimes and that strategy tends to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:05   work like in general when companies when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:08   like the big powerful companies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:09   already have all the users and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:12   usage and all the attention going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:14   them and all this time spent on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:15   services if they clone some smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:18   service there clone often wins and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:22   they can't clone it they can buy it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:24   this just kinda it's a bit of a warning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:26   sign of the power that Facebook has and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:30   i'm not saying snapchat will be killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:31   by this in all likelihood snapchat is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:33   too big now and they'll probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:35   totally fine because that's really big i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:37   think they're bigger than Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:38   they're really big but it does kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:42   scare me a little bit that facebook is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:44   willing to so so cavalierly just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:47   completely rip off the stories feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:50   called the same thing do the same things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:52   use the same gestures like completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:54   rip it off it's so closely and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:57   shamelessly and they just couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:59   possibly care less because they are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:00   that ruthless and we we live in an age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:04   now where these these these handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:06   big internet companies have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:09   control over us a lot of resources and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:13   like the centralization of power here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:16   just getting more and more severe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:19   that kind of worries me for the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:20   of like internet things general things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:23   we do online that that use the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:25   that involve the internet or are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:26   internet it is a little concerning thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:30   that struck me about using this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:31   having new snapchat a little bit is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:35   one you often hear and you guys said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:37   before i go well you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   understand that put on the kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:40   understand it or whatever I did yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4960">TS</a>]

01:22:42   there is the demographic thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:44   what age groups use which application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:45   that's definitely true and more older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:47   people use Instagram or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:50   snapchat and also the extreme stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:53   have bad interfaces they have bad user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:57   interfaces like there is no sensible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59   structure to to the interface they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:03   use OS conventions that's for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:05   right so the normal affordances and sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:07   of the things you're used to in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:08   generic uikit you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:11   about another problem just talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:12   in iOS but like it doesn't look like iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:13   that's for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:14   right so it's kind of its own thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:16   within its own thing they don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:18   define any particular spatial metaphor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:22   or something to hang your hat on where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:24   you can say oh I see all of swipes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:26   this i mean like basically if you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:28   know if someone's like oh snap just only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:30   sensible what you'd basically be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:32   is listing this does that this does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:34   this doesn't just like that there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5014">TS</a>]

01:23:35   and parts that's not a system that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:37   just a list of actions and the resulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39   you know what you're looking for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:40   system is like because I understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:42   system before you tell me the list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:44   all things i can do i can predict oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:46   then obviously the way to do X is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:48   to be why that's when you know you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:50   a system snapchat doesn't have a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:52   or not a very good system it's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:53   arbitrary crap and they're not using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:55   native controls not using serve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:57   unprecedented right sort of setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5037">TS</a>]

01:23:59   their own standard and why does does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:03   that mean is that is that why young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:05   people get snapped and people don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:07   like there are other factors there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:08   terms of what's advertised towards into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:10   the first users were and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:11   critical mass and social networks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:13   look where my friends are all things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:15   that all factors that as well but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:16   think there is something to the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:18   that young people will be full to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5058">TS</a>]

01:24:22   something there's a bunch of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:23   friends are doing it they'll just figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:26   it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:26   they have a high tolerance for learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:28   RG arbitrary stupid crap i think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:30   all the arbitrary stupid crap that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:32   learned which basically is the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:33   early years of computing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:35   everything was terrible and nothing made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5075">TS</a>]

01:24:37   sense and the mac was the only one had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:38   kind of an understandable system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:40   think of all the things that i memorize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:41   things i learned how to do in video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:42   games there was no system is arbitrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:44   and kids have a lot of time and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:47   good memories and they'll just plug away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:49   until it becomes second nature to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:51   so the kids snapchat makes perfect sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:53   because they memorize all the the stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:55   gestures and commands even those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:56   gestures and commands are almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:58   entirely arbitrary countered everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:00   that every other UI paradigm the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02   they're holding has taught them and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:04   just plain bad right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:06   they're just bad this is the bad you iso [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:08   Instagram stories didn't use all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:10   same things that snapped up but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:12   similar thing we're Instagram was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:13   sensible straight up the middle iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:15   application with the reasonable UI using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17   metaphors and controls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:19   the interfaces that we understood so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:21   can predict what would happen when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:22   did thanks for the most part is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:23   the weird edge cases and custom controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:25   and stuff but then related stories it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:28   in la-la land again where nothing makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:30   sense and you can't you have no you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5130">TS</a>]

01:25:32   no nothing to hang your hat on except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:34   for like maybe it will behave like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:36   snapchat which again maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:38   establishing a standard maybe you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:39   familiar with snapchat that might be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:40   good way to go if you're trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:41   like what marco said like oh we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:43   do a snapchat like then just copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:45   snapshots gestures because all the kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:46   who snapchat it makes perfect sense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:48   them and they go do your thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:49   Swiper drag or tap and it doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5149">TS</a>]

01:25:52   what they expect from using snapchat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:53   they think your thing is broken but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:55   again it's not a good you I just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:57   they make it like snapchat for like or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5157">TS</a>]

01:25:59   you know making similar snap try to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:01   a little bar they've got on the top with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:04   a little segment and timers and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:06   happens when you swipe in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:07   directions and the little rotating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:08   effect versus the sliding vs up and down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:11   and tapping and it's just these are bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:14   interfaces and so I maintained as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:16   old cranky person but not only the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:19   actual reason like old people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:21   understand snapchat because they made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:23   bad UI and because older people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:26   less tolerance for figuring out a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   you want it doesn't look like the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:30   ones doing it and I don't just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:32   it's like it i think it's bad on many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:34   many levels and again this doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:35   explain why old people don't use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:37   there's so many other reasons but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:38   is a factor I'm saying this is this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:40   factor in that giant students not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:41   biggest factor is not you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:43   maybe a major factor but it's there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:45   that annoys me because I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:47   snapchat could have been successful with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:50   a clever innovative you i think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:53   games do this like you wanted to use no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:55   native controls totally custom doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:57   use anything you like it is the same on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59   Android and iOS but is delightful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01   understandable and fun to use and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:04   someone can pick up and learn you again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:06   at this is my hobby horse but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:08   really true if you make some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:10   physical world based metaphor like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:13   have stacks of cards and we can slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:14   them side to side and up and down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:16   bring them together and collapse them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:18   i can crunch them up or like if you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:20   some sort of thing like these aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:21   physical things but in some ways they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:24   behave and physical things are the is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:25   like a larger map that you can't see of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:27   this application once you learn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:29   layout of that Matthew know how to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:31   around it and you know how to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5251">TS</a>]

01:27:32   things happen and you know what a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:34   looks like and you understand like any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:36   kind of metaphor like that even if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:38   uses totally underrated non-native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:40   controls can become understandable when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTfaEmE/5260">TS</a>]

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