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     - Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 258. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is made possible by our sponsors, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Eero, Hello, and DoorDash. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am Stephen Hackett and I am joined for the first time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in a long time by Mr. Federico Vittucci. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Hello, hi. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Welcome back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - This is not the bot speaking, this is actually me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You heard that, huh? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's really caught on. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Isn't that what a bot would say? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, that's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's become self-aware. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, that's up to you to decide. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe I mastered the artificial intelligence of my replicant. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And that's who you're doing a podcast with. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Whatever works for you, man. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And Myke Hurley is here as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I'm in a cupboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Uh, so I'm still in San Francisco, California. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm leaving this evening. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the hotel room that I'm in is very echoey. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I have recorded two shows so far from inside of a wardrobe where the mini bar is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's like a mini bar and like a clothes... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are you drinking right now? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     That's like a whole other thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll get to that in a minute. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm in a very small room. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will send you both a picture of me in the small room. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like it is a wardrobe, it has the mini bar and the safe in it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I am using the ironing board as a desk. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's a life hack. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's no desk obviously because it's a wardrobe, why would they put a desk in it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's where I am. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the problem was I was recording before this, so I thought "oh I know what I'll do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will use my very powerful external battery pack to power my MacBook Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the MacBook Pro would not accept that it would start the charge 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the charger just stop again, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     even though it should be powerful enough to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I don't know why that's not working. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Stephen said sometimes it doesn't work. I don't know why. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So now I have my laptop. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's no obviously there's no power in the cupboard. Right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So now my laptop is outside the cupboard being powered. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I am inside with my iPad getting real work done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's probably power behind that mini fridge somewhere, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you don't want to unplug that or they'll charge you for the whole thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You should have unplugged the mini fridge. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had to turn off the mini fridge because I was you make a noise. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it looks like that the power is built in behind the wall. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Probably to stop me from unplugging it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because the cable from the mini fridge goes into the wall 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I'm not going to start trying to break the wall down just to get power. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     should have ripped off the cable off the wall. You should have done that. I don't know what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is going to cover that for you ripping. No, I don't think that's true. Ripping the cable. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know why that would help me in any way. How is that? I can't like just take the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cable from the fridge. Oh, for it'll make you feel better. What? But who am I spiking? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Nobody. You know, but anyway, I also have, I don't know. I have limited beverages here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a very small amount of water because that's just where I am in my life. So maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe at some point in the episode I'll break into the minibar. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There is water in there is what I'm saying. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But we'll see how that goes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We can check in for frequent updates on my minibar situation if you want. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I'm taking a look at the picture right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Don't touch those peanuts or you're gonna die. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Alright, good, good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll get my hand out of the peanut jar so that's good news. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mmhmm, mmhmm. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everything else should be fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I see potato chips. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     I'm sure it's look... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Would you like some prices? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So, uh, the, what would you like to know? The price of the chips? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, and the M&M's maybe. What are the M&M's? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The M&M's are $14. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, that seems like a lot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a lot for M&M's. I'm trying to- Oh, the kettle chips are $5. That is an expensive bag of chips. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The water that I may need, um, where is that on this list? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Uh, $8. That's a very expensive bottle of water. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which is not cold anymore either, which I feel like I should have to complain about. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because someone turned it off. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a can of blue bottle coffee in here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And a bottle of Casanoble tequila. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We'll see where the episode goes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just don't eat while on the show because it's disgusting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Never do that. Otherwise you should be fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah I know you get very upset about that. I never eat on shows but I wouldn't do that to you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Please, please. I know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now I really want to but I'm not going to. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you get upset when people eat on phone calls or is it just podcasts? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, I get upset with all kinds of eating noises on any kind of audio transmission. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Ah, so audio transmission only. Okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, in real life I can manage it better, but for example Sylvia has a real problem, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whereas in real life if somebody makes any weird mouth noises while eating, she gets 
     
     
  
 
 
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     super itchy and like it's she can't stand it my main problem is just audio I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just think it's disgusting it's like the opposite of a say a SMR like it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something that makes me want to die inside I would love you to actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     share how you really feel the which would be good because I feel like I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fully understand how you really feel yeah just tell us like exactly how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're feeling about this? It is Sonic Torture for me. That's a very good band name. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a promising name for a band. Moving on, we have been reporting in every once in a while on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     our beta statuses. We're going to talk about iOS 13.1 here in a few minutes, but I have boarded 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the beta train on my MacBook Pro. It is running Catalina natively with all my stuff on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And just today I put my iPhone on the iOS 13 beta. So I'm living that sweet, sweet beta 
     
     
  
 
 
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     life now Federico and everything except my iMac Pro, which will remain a Mojave for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     foreseeable future. So why did you put it on your phone? I wanted to so some of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff I'm thinking about writing about is sort of cross platform. And if like the iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     me most of that but I don't use my iPad as a daily device like y'all do so I kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want to experience it on the phone so wow okay the shade I get it okay yeah it upgraded 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really easily and everything seems fine it's not even hot so hopefully it's it's okay we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have a little bit of follow up from our family feud episode which was last week episode 257 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if somehow you haven't heard that yet you should go check it out it was a whole lot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of fun. We had a lot of questions about video of the show. And so there the venue did record 
     
     
  
 
 
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     video of the event. I have not gotten the video yet. But if that ever materializes or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when it materializes, we will share it far and wide so you can watch the two hour event. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It think it is helpful. Like you can totally keep up with it and audio but I think the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     video will add a an extra element of joy if you enjoyed it. So we'll we'll be sure to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to mention that here if that gets done and gets on YouTube, but we didn't want to promise 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it beforehand because I wasn't sure and it seems like it all got recorded. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Also during that show, Myke's first podcast appearance, which was on Dignation in 1976, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that was brought up and I had requested that people send me a photo, if they could find 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it, of Myke on that show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was in my mentions within minutes of me saying it on stage. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had Twitter open on my laptop just to make sure you know if the livestream died or something and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All of a sudden these pictures started 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Pouring in so that is a link in the show notes, and if you haven't seen this picture you really should 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is not Myke right. This is really you 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That's me wow that is actually me yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's in the show notes. That is me. That's what I look like about a beard and longer hair. Well. You were like 12 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was I don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     18 maybe 17 18 probably something around that time well there is a so the way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that this person found it so Ryber found it it's kind of cheating right and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     knew that this would happen this came up years ago on the pen addict so you'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     see that the the poet the image the droplet link is 2016 see that's dated 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's 2016 because I uploaded that photo so if you are a pan addict listening you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know that this was there so all you had to do was search the show notes. I wondered if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that was how anyone was going to pick it up and that was how it was picked up is my assumption. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But there you go. There's a treat for people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if you want to set that as your iPhone wallpaper, let me know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I of course have many more photos of myself from this time because who doesn't have pictures 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of themselves, especially when they were that age and Myspace existed. I'm considering maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     unearthing some of these pictures for our St. Jude fundraiser but we'll see about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Let's talk about that. I would like to talk about that. September is National Childhood 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Cancer Awareness Month, and listeners will know we've raised money for St. Jude Children's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Research Hospital for years now. I've got a son who's a patient there, and thanks to their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hard work and amazing technology and science, he is doing really well. But every year, we work in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     September to raise money for the hospital, and we're doing it on an all-new scale this year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Relay FM is St. Jude's first official podcast partnership, which is really cool. We're really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     excited about that. And you can go to stjude.org/connected to learn more and to donate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this money goes to funding the hospital, so patients and their families never receive a dime 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for any care they receive at St. Jude. We've been there for a decade, and it means a whole lot that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the people around the world support this mission, support this work, so go check it out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stjou.org/connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're going to be talking about this a bunch over the next couple of weeks, but please 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go and give some money now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We have already raised over $9,000 to our $75,000 goal, so thank you to everybody that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     done that after hearing us talk about it for the first time last week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But we have a lot of exciting things coming throughout September that's going to help 
     
     
  
 
 
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     us get to the goal that we want to reach. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We should also mention just briefly August is the end of Relay's membership drive and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     our membership special will be coming out September 9th. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're a little bit behind just because there's so much travel. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But Federico, do you want to tell the audience what we'll be doing on our membership special? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well I was informed, actually I am being forced into watching what essentially amounts to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to a homemade movie of a so-called "actor" about Steve Jobs. So this is the Michael Fassbender 
     
     
  
 
 
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     portraits, if it can be called as such, of Steve Jobs. It's the screenplay by Aaron Sorkin. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have no idea how and why Aaron Sorkin lent his talents to this really amateur production 
     
     
  
 
 
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     featuring an actor that nobody knows about. Still, I'm guessing that they stole the screenplay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe. I don't know. Um, we're going to watch that movie. We're going to share our impressions 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of that movie. Um, and it's going to be a member, a member special and you can expect 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all kinds of hot takes from me and about the movie. And because I already watched it once 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in Italian, but I want you to get an English. Um, wait, you've seen it. I've seen the movie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was on TV last year and I think I saw, I sent you guys even a photo of, you know, the photo 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the TV and I was like "Hey, look at the actor guy!" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't remember you having seen that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm gonna watch it again in English on my Apple TV and we're gonna talk about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Especially I guess we're gonna compare it to the Pirates of the Silicon Valley, which 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we did last year I think, as the member special episode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we continue our tradition of Steve Jobs movies with a... it's just called Steve Jobs, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one I think there's no subtitle of course because it's an amateur production so yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I believe that it was rumored that Steven you will be attempting to fact check this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     movie. Was that rumored? I believe that was your suggestion or I suggested it upon you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I would like you to do your best to fact check this movie. Yeah and so there's a link 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to it to the IMDb page in the show notes. It is I could not find it on Netflix but it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is available for like four dollars on Amazon Prime Video. I think it'd be fun if you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     relay if you remember to watch it in advance so you can have it in your in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your mind as we go through and talk about it we're not liable for any 
     
     
  
 
 
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     damage you do to your television set while watching it though I'm gonna buy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it on iTunes just because I think that's funnier oh I am too might as well give 
     
     
  
 
 
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     him the money my first impression if I remember correctly is that while I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     watched the movie in Italian I wish that Seth Rogen played Steve Jobs instead of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Fassbender so we'll see how it goes on my second watch I think we need to dig 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into that but we haven't got the time right now. We'll talk about that in our member special. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I can't fathom this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Seth Rogen should have been Steve Jobs. That's all. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Then who would have played Woz? And it just carries... Please, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven, take us to a break. We can't do this now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and relay FM. Alright, Federico, you have a tweet up where you've continued to modify 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your iPad, your iPad situation. So what have you done this time? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Put more stickers on top of the smart key portfolio. This is for my 12.9 inch iPad Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I bought these stickers from Amazon and they're probably illegal in the sense that I'm not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sure if the original artists for these illustrations and brands are getting paid. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But you know, they were available on Amazon for like three euros. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's Amazon's problem, that's not your problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, sometimes you gotta put the morals aside and just be part of capitalism. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's what I did for these stickers. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I put more stickers in and I bought an additional set of kickstands. These are the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Spigen metal kickstands that we, much to Myke's entertainment, we talked about a few months 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ago. I sent Myke some pictures and then I did an article about them. They are originally 
     
     
  
 
 
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     intended as smartphone kickstands, but I sort of, you know, inspired by a fellow Mac Stories 
     
     
  
 
 
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     reader who disappeared in the void of Twitter. He never texted me or brought to me again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Somebody inspired me to do this months ago and I kept doing it. So initially I only used 
     
     
  
 
 
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     two kickstands to enable a software keyboard typing mode. So fold the keyboard, the physical 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keyboard under the cover but use the kickstands to create an angle. So you could use the iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in Touch Typing mode. I recently realized that if I put two additional kickstands 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on the opposite end of the cover, I could create a movie watching mode. So let the iPad stand upright 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and use the keyboard essentially as a base for the entire thing. Both of these modes are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     enabled are possible with the Smart Folio. So not the Smart Keyboard Folio, the regular Smart Folio 
     
     
  
 
 
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     without the keyboard. The keyboard version doesn't allow this because it doesn't fold, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it doesn't have the same origami system of the Smart Folio. So with the kickstands, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can sort of replicate that experience. And now I have a movie mode that I can use, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when I want to watch some YouTube embed with the big iPad Pro, I can just put the iPad Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
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     essentially on my chest, you know, because I'm lying in bed and make it stand upright with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kickstands and watch some video. I've also tried playing video games with the DualShock controller 
     
     
  
 
 
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     connected to the iPad Pro in this mode and it works really well. So I think I'm done with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     modding for now and I actually quite like the results. I have a concern about your iPad. Okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What has happened to the USB-C port? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, I was just going to ask this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's all worn away. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know. I have no idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't do anything particular to that USB-C port. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just plug and unplug cables. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe the problem is the cables that I use. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe they create too much friction against the side, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the edge of the iPad and that discoloration. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have no idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are you using any of those dongles or anything like the hyperdrive? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You're not using anything like that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, no, I only test them every once in a while, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I don't usually attach them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it must be one of the cables that I have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that maybe, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I mean, are you like rubbing it around? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this picture, you have a space gray iPad Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the space gray anodization is like rubbed off, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you can see silver. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - But it's not just around the USB-C connector, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's also like below it in a line. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, are you just like rubbing around? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm zooming and enhancing right now on these images. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't understand what's happened. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I find it very surprising the amount of people that were extremely concerned about this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't particularly care about, you know, having my devices look used. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's electronics that are meant to be used, they're meant to be handled. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't have a problem with it. Like I'm not disappointed at you. I'm just intrigued, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because like I have two space gray iPads and don't have this like so I just wonder like what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is it that's doing? No, I don't know. My pad silver, but it's smooth. I don't have any roughness 
     
     
  
 
 
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     around it. I mean, it's I don't know. It's strange. It just caught my eye. I agree with you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     These things should be used and like, look, I can't judge anybody for damaging an Apple product. How 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:23
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     many iPhones have I been through in the course of the show? But yeah, it just caught my eye. That's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all. No, I get it. I think because of this, and even if only because I actually prefer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the look now that I have one, my next iPad Pro is probably gonna be silver. I have the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:39
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     11" iPad Pro is a silver one, and I think I prefer the look of the edges. As time has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:45
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     gone on, I think I prefer that to the space grey. So my next one, probably not gonna be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     space grey. But I don't particularly care about the, you know, that problem right there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the photo. But yeah, I have no idea. Maybe it's the way that I put it in my bag or maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have no idea. I don't rub anything against the iPad really. I don't play with the connector 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:10
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     in any way. It just, I don't know. Maybe it's one of the cables that I use that has like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:17
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     the top edge is rubbing against the iPad in a weird way. I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a theory. Federico, what does the other side look like? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:25
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     Is that is it worn away on the other side? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:27
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     No, because I'm wondering if it's your rings. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:30
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     I'm looking now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:31
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     Is it jewelry that's doing it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:33
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     Oh, it could be. Yeah, totally. Right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because you have those big chunky rings that you use 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you walk around town with so you can make your mark in things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:42
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     And the way you hold your iPad, I bet you hold it just there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:45
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     And I bet that's what I bet is rubbing against it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:47
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     I'm a detective. The right detective season four features me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:50
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     and the right side is where I got a salmon slide over. So that totally makes sense that I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:01
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     bump my fingers with the rings on the right side and that's what caused the problem. I think you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     got it. Did it. Wow. Did it. That's amazing work, Myke. It's really good. Thank you. Thank you. I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:12
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     had to go into my mind palace to get that one. Just while we're talking about silver versus 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of space gray. I think I'm kind of over space gray as a product color. Like, my laptop is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:23
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     silver. My iPad is silver. And I really like it. Like I like the crisp kind of look. And 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:29
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     this sort of thing doesn't happen where if you if you get nicks and dings and stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:33
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     you don't you don't get silver shining through. I'm I'm I'm in the camp of doing silver on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:39
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     Apple products, not not space gray. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:40
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     I think this is one of those things of like, it's like a what you're used to, right? Like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:44
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     you use space gray for a long time. So now you're like silver seems new and nice again. Right? Like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:49
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     because I see whenever I see like silver iPads, I'm like, Oh, man, I forgot about that. So I can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:54
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     understand what you're coming from. But you had one for eight years, right? Like before space gray 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:57
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     was an option. Yeah. But I'm a professional. So I have to use space gray. Oh, yeah, it's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Up next in our snot tiny topic. It's topic 0.5 Mario Kart tour coming on September 25. What's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:11
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     What's this about, Myke? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:12
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     Federica, did they change the name of this? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:15
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     I'm sure it was like Mario Kart World Tour or something like that, but Mario Kart Tour 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:19
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     is a smartphone game. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:22
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     It's going to be on iOS and Android, but it seems like it might be coming out on iOS first. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:26
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     You can preorder it now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:28
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     It is in essence what everybody thought that has been thinking about this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:32
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     It's not going to be Mario Kart like you know it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:35
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     It is going to be a smartphone interpretation of Mario Kart. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:38
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     So a portrait game where you're basically using your finger or your thumb to swipe left 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:43
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     and right to kind of control the cart. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:46
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     You're going forward and you're moving left and right to control the cart. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:51
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     It looks okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:52
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     I mean it's going to be full of microtransactions and stuff like that would be my expectation. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:58
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     And so if you didn't think that this game was going to be that, I love you but you were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:04
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     way too hopeful. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:06
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     So we're very unhappy with the money made from Super Mario Go run and that was a pay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:15
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     out, you know, like you got like a few levels and you paid for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:18
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     They're not going to do that again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:19
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     So this game is going to be full of in-app purchases. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:21
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     And let me tell you, I want to give you a breakdown of the available in-app purchases. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:25
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     We have rubies at three times, three times, ten times, twenty three times, forty eight 
     
     
  
 
 
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     times, seventy five and times one hundred and thirty five. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they are varying prices from $1.99 to $38.99. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There are two things called Gold Pass, which is $4.99 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and something called Special Offer, which is $19.99. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it seems like maybe buying tracks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and buying rubies to give you life's or like lives or like other things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The game is free to start with in-app purchase available is what it says. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So there's going to be a ton of things that you can buy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it's going to be a bunch of different micro transaction mechanics. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I'm sure that's just the way it's going to be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It looks like from the screenshots that you need like different points 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to unlock different cards. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's going to be like a in-app purchase festival over there on Mario Kart Tour. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I bet it's going to be really nice 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it's going to be a nice little simple game to play. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There is another Nintendo game that came out recently, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     didn't really make much of a splash and I actually have not played it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is Dr. Mario. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Have you played the Dr. Mario iOS game, Federico? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, I haven't. No. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Never been a fan, really. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Uh, yeah, Dr. Mario isn't my jam, which is why I didn't play it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I tried downloading it and I opened it and it's like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "You're not connected to the internet." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I was just like, "Oh, go away. Go away, Nintendo." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's like puzzle games, right? Like it's... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, it's closer to Tetris than anything else. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But yeah, Mario Kart Tour is one that I will be checking out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I tend to like these kinds of games anyway, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Looks like a simple, quick iOS game. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And we'll see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We'll just see just how in-app purchase-y it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I enjoyed the comments of some Apple observers that I had that I follow on Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There are other sometimes pop up in my timeline of why isn't Nintendo making actual, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know, paid up front iOS games? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, guess why? Because they have a console and that's, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're using iOS games for what they're good at so far to drive sales 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the real games on the Nintendo Switch, which is selling and going really well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If they put real Mario Kart for $5 on the App Store, how are they going to sell Mario 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Kart for $40 on a Nintendo Switch, where they get all the money, rather than having to hand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over some to Apple? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are we surprised this isn't being held for Apple Arcade? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would expect Nintendo still think they can make more money than it purchased than they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can with Apple Arcade. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Plus, this game is not going to be exclusive, and Apple want that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     holding phone news again for some reason. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah. (laughs) 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As expected, the Huawei Mate 10 has officially been delayed. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Oh, what a shocker. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Huawei has said there is no possibility 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of a September launch date, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but they are certain it will launch by the end of the year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're at the end of August 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and we still don't have a defined date. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It would seem about when the Galaxy Fold is coming out, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but Samsung have said September, so, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - It's gonna be a big episode when that one thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when that thing finally comes out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm excited still, but who knows? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - You said the perfect thing about the Galaxy Fold, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that everyone you know will want to see it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that is how I feel about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want to see it, I want to fold it a few times, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want to hand it back to you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm looking forward to that interaction. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - There's a pre-registration page in China, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I can't really do anything about that right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - All right, we're gonna talk about iOS 13.1, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the beta that surprised, I think, just about everybody. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     First, I wanna tell you about our second sponsor. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's actually pretty different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'Cause it supports your head and neck, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it doesn't collapse under the weight of your head 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like a traditional pillow. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We think we've all had that, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You toss and turn in the middle of the night 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because your pillow has been squished by your head. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Buckwheat pillows, they don't do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello stays cool and dry compared to the feather 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or foam pillows we're used to. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Plus it tends to breathe better, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     meaning it doesn't get all warm and humid. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So there's no more flipping to the cool side of the pillow. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so your pillow can be just the way you like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it actually turns out Buckwheat Pillow 
     
     
  
 
 
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     has been around a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're very popular in places like Japan. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And apparently they also appear on the pillow menus 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at fancy hotels. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke, you seem to be in a fancy hotel. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is there a pillow menu? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, and I miss my buckwheat pillow. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a hollow pillow at home, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I hate the pillows in this hotel, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I want my hollow pillow back, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I cannot wait to be sleeping on it the next time I sleep. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know exactly when that's gonna be yet, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I leave San Francisco today, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:07
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     but I cannot wait to be back home on my hollow pillow. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Hello is made in the USA 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with quality construction and materials. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They use certified organic cotton for their cases, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which are cut and sewn for durability, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the buckwheat is grown and milled right here in the US. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So here's the deal, you can sleep on a HulloPillow 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for 60 nights and then if you decide it's not for you, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can send it back for a refund. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you love it, you keep it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and if you don't, just send it back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Head on over to hellopillow.com/connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Our thanks to Hello for their support of this show 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and Relay FM. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:09
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     All right, Federico, walk us through the last 24 hours 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of iOS 13 and now 13.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, God. Well, so we were all expecting to see iOS 13 Beta 9 yesterday, or sometimes this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Instead, Apple surprised us and before iOS 13 is even out, they have released the first Beta of iOS 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:40
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     13.1. So the next major point update to iOS 13 is already in testing with developers and now with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the public because the public beta is also out and iOS 13.0, the basic version, also still in beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But we're not sure what's gonna happen in the sense that speculation right now suggests that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:03
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     Apple needed to finalize iOS 13.0 in order to install it on the new iPhones 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:11
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     that are supposedly right now currently in production in China for release in September. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:17
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     So iOS 13 is pretty much done. It's pretty much, you know, whatever beta 8 or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a slightly updated version of beta 8 that Apple has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:29
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     That's been wrapped up, that's done, and it's gonna be installed on the new iPhones, and it's gonna be released to the public as iOS 13. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The problem is that some of the features that Apple promised as part of the iOS 13 fall update 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:44
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     were removed from iOS 13 beta a few weeks ago, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     namely audio sharing with AirPods, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     automations in shortcuts, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     conversional shortcuts, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:58
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     basically the ability to interact back and forth with the shortcut using Siri, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:03
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     and a bunch of other features that were removed and we were all expecting them to come back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     eventually in iOS 13 Beta 9 or Beta 10 or whatever, and instead have been rolled into iOS 13.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So those features are coming back, but they're coming back in iOS 13.1. We don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when iOS 13.1 will launch to the public. So, in looking at previous trends and previous patterns, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we know that, for example, last year iOS 12.1, which also contained new emoji, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:40
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     launched at the end of October, and I think it was pre-installed on the new iPad Pros. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:46
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     Now, does Apple want to release iOS 13.1 at the end of October? A full month, probably even more, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:56
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     45 days or something after the theoretical release of iOS 13. I guess we're all expecting iOS 13 to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     launch on or around September 16th. Does Apple want to wait a month and a half to push this update? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can it come out earlier than that maybe? We don't know. So if you guys allow me, I prepared a list 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:19
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     of all the features that I spotted in iOS 13.1, and I guess we can have a conversation about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:26
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     these features as well as my plans for the iOS review, because this whole thing is forcing me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:32
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     to change my plans. We're going to talk about that. So the features that have been pushed to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:38
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     iOS 13.1 are the ability to share an ETA using maps. This was removed from 13, now in 13.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Shortcuts automations have come back. They are available in 13.1. The ability to run shortcuts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     inside the Home app. So as part of HomeKit automations you can now run shortcut actions. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Conversational shortcuts, as I mentioned, the ability to interact with shortcuts actions inside 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Siri. So things like choose from list or ask for input or even parameters from third-party actions. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in shortcuts. Those are now exclusive to 13.1. If you try and do the same in iOS 13, the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shortcuts app will open instead, as in iOS 12. Audio sharing with AirPods coming back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in 13.1. And then there's new features. Oh, and also I think I spotted the new gesture 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to select multiple items in a table view. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So for example, messages in mail or notes in the Notes app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In theory, you should be able to do that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by just swiping on them with two fingers. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So put two fingers on the screen, swipe down or up, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you select multiple items instead of having to edit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then select them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In 13.1, this gesture behaves as Apple promised 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:09
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     in that you can just put two fingers down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:12
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     and select the items. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In 13 Beta 8, you still need to tap the Edit button first, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:22
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     and then swipe with two fingers to select. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:25
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     So that gesture is a little smoother, a little more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:28
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     intuitive in 13.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:30
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     ►  
     There is also new features that are not part of iOS 13, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:34
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     ►  
     but that will be part of iOS 13.1, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:36
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     ►  
     at least in the first beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:38
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     There's new icons for HomeKit accessories, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:42
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     new animations for HomeKit accessories, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:44
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     which look really nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:46
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     You can create an SSH key in shortcuts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if you wanna connect to a server, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you don't wanna use a password, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can now create a key using RSA and that other method, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     EA something, I don't remember the full name. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also there's a new, so you know the new volume indicator, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the new volume slider in iOS 13, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's still gonna ship. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's nice. - It's very nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Thank goodness they got something in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Still gonna ship, still gonna ship in 13. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But in 13.1, you're gonna get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sort of a multiple custom flavors, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     depending on the accessory 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you're controlling the volume for. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So when you change the volume on the AirPods, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the slider is gonna have an AirPods icon. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When you change the volume on the HomePod, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's gonna have a HomePod icon. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's custom icons for different types of Beats headphones. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Looks really nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's about pretty much everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I found in 13.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I have so many questions, Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So many questions. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - So you said I was 13. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You believe, you know, dev beta eight, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's public beta seven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That feels like what I was 13.0 was going to be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Clearly Apple had to move the goalpost 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to get that done, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I guess our assumption is that 13 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is required for the new phones, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that whatever new stuff is required for these new phones 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in a couple weeks, they can't backport that to 12, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they wanna launch with a new version number, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as they've always done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That all makes sense to me, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it does raise questions in my mind about, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe did Apple bite off more than it could chew 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in this release, or, as I say, something about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:29
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     the speed of Apple's software development cycle? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What is, in your mind, what's the big lesson here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:36
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     in them splitting so much stuff out of 13 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:39
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     and pushing it down the road a little bit? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:41
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     Because they've done this before, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:42
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     So like, Group FaceTime is an example. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iMessage in the cloud was an example, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the year before that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Big headline features, they got pushed to a later release. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:52
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     They've done this before, but it seems like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:54
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     almost anything good in 13 is not actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going to be in 13, it'll be in 13.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know, what do you walk away thinking about? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:03
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     Thinking about that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I guess that for the things that I can say, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because there's conversations going on, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:14
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     You know, when you have friends that work at Apple, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:18
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     you sort of, you try and gain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:21
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     some of the background knowledge. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:23
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     So there are things that I wouldn't want to repeat 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:28
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     the show, but my general sense is that it is part of that, it is as you say sort of, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:36
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     you know, Apple over promised a little for some features that clearly needed more time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For example the Maps ETA or the Shortcase Automations and all that kind of stuff. I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:48
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     think it's sort of a sign of how sometimes, you know, when managers make decisions and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:57
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     they don't have a clear sense, maybe, of all the ramifications that the decisions have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:02
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     in terms of shipping features on time. And I think maybe someday we'll be able to talk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:11
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     about how some of these features are, you know, the main problem was a lack of communication 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:17
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     between teams at Apple. And the reason why maybe, you know, maybe some actions got removed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:24
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     from shortcuts, because maybe the communication between the different teams involved prevented 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:30
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     that, prevented those actions from shipping. I think what I walk away with is that, you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:38
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     ►  
     know, having a plan, a solid plan for which features to ship on time continues to be an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:45
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     ►  
     exercise for Apple. They're not perfect at this. I think they, you know, compared to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:50
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     last year where some features got pushed back to 12.4 if I'm not mistaken or 12.3. I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:01
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     ►  
     we, you know, I think, you know, having most of them, if not all of them come back by the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:06
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     first point update, I think that's a good sign. So maybe Apple didn't plan exactly right, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:12
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     ►  
     but they still overall did better than the iOS 12 cycle. And I want to see... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:19
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     They were closer to the mark. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:21
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     They were closer than last year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:23
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     ►  
     And I want to see... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:25
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     ►  
     I get the sense that 13.1 may come sooner than 12.1 did. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:33
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     ►  
     I have a feeling that we won't have to wait 45 days for it to ship after 13 does. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:41
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     ►  
     But is that a week? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:43
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     Is that two weeks? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:45
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     ►  
     I don't think it's going to be a day one patch, as some people are calling it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:49
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     ►  
     So the day one patch, this is a common term in the video game industry where a video game 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:54
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     maker has to submit a version of the game for approval purposes and to get it printed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:00
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     on discs or stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:02
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     But then they have already started working on the first patch of the game. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:07
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     So as soon as you put the disc in, you're required to go through a day one patch, because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:14
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     the physical version that you have requires an update that has already been released digitally 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:20
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     ►  
     through servers. And the idea here would be that, in the case of Apple, we don't have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:25
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     ►  
     physical disks, but we have physical phones. And those phones may have an outdated version 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:30
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     ►  
     of iOS 13. I don't think Apple has the time to ship a day one patch, especially because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:35
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     ►  
     they... And it wouldn't make sense to do it as 13.1 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:38
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     ►  
     anyway. Exactly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:39
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     It would just be 13. Exactly. So, I think we're going to have to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:43
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     ►  
     but maybe not as long as in previous years. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:46
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     ►  
     Though, right now that's just my interpretation of things that I hear, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:50
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     ►  
     you know, through the air, through birds, and we'll see how it goes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:57
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     ►  
     But I feel optimistic, even though this whole thing basically... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:02
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     ►  
     I don't want to say destroyed my plans, but it was quite a day yesterday. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:08
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     ►  
     yesterday. But this 13 itself, the 13 like beta 8 or whatever that I don't even know if anybody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:14
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     ►  
     can even beta test anymore because 13.1 seems to have just like swallowed up the dev channel. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:20
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     ►  
     Does that feel, has that felt like it was in a releasable state before the 13.1 beta? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:30
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     ►  
     It is in a releasable state, but it's not as good as 12.0, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:40
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     ►  
     Which, you know, part of the problem for me right now is having to revise some of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:48
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     ►  
     impressions that I shared in, for example, the performance section of my review that I already 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:58
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     ►  
     wrote because now I'm dealing with a version that is not out yet and I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:04
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     ►  
     under the assumption that things would still get better before the final 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:07
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     ►  
     release and I think one of the big features that we didn't mention and one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:12
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     ►  
     of the reasons that also Apple was able to sort of pull back from new features 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:18
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     ►  
     and release 13 in this state is they have completely reversed the new file 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:26
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     ►  
     format of iCloud Drive. Early in the iOS 13 beta cycle they upgraded iCloud Drive 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:34
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     ►  
     to a new format. They actually changed the path in the file system for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:41
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     application document folders and that change allowed for at least two features 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:48
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     that Apple promised as coming to files. The ability to pin a file so that it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:55
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     ►  
     would always stay cached on your device, downloaded offline. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:00
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     ►  
     And the second major feature, shared folders. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:04
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     ►  
     So collaborative folders in iCloud Drive. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:07
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     ►  
     But because Apple had to reverse and go back 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:10
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     ►  
     to the older iCloud Drive format, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:13
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     ►  
     those features have been pulled. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:15
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     ►  
     They're still not part of iOS 13.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:19
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     ►  
     And that, I would say, is where Apple really, I think, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:25
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     ►  
     messed up their timeline. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:26
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     ►  
     Because all those other features, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:27
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     ►  
     you know, the shortcuts automations, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:29
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     maps ETA, audio sharing, conversational shortcuts, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:33
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     even though it is, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     it's not ideal that they were promised 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:37
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     as coming with the first version, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:39
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     ►  
     they're still coming within a relatively short timeframe, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:42
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     ►  
     I would say. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:43
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     ►  
     But the files changes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:45
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     ►  
     The fact that they're not in 13.1 Beta 1 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     makes me suspicious of the fact 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:52
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     that maybe we'll have to wait longer, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:54
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     if not until next year, which that would be bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:57
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     ►  
     Shared folders and pinning files in iCloud Drive, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     those were highly anticipated features, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     especially the shared folders. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:08
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And it would be bad for Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     having to wait until iOS 14 in 2020. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:16
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Yeah, that would be sad, sad for everybody. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:19
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     ►  
     One thing, you mentioned this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     but I kinda wanna rewind this for a second. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:23
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     ►  
     the idea of the day one patch, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:27
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Apple does have to put some software on these phones 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:31
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     that are in factories, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:32
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And if this phone is gonna ship in three weeks, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     like we think it's going to, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:37
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     the cutoff for a beta isn't when the phone ends up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:40
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     ►  
     at your doorstep, it's when the phones are done in a factory. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:45
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And so Apple's deadline for iOS 13, I don't know when it is, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:48
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I'd imagine it's soon if it hasn't, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     maybe that was a factor in getting this ready. So I tend to agree with you, I think we will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:56
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     ►  
     see 13.1 pretty quickly, probably not on day one, but I would imagine, within, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:02
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     the first seven to 10 days, maybe we see we see this roll out. It's weird, but I guess 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:09
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Apple would prefer to do this over shipping something that's like really buggy on brand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:15
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     new phones, right? Like they don't they don't want to do that. And if they're stuck with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:20
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     not being able to use 12, this is maybe their only option. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:23
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And I'm sure that was a difficult decision to make, but probably the right one in the long run. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:29
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So what is this doing to your review then? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:31
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Are you going to are you pulling out the 13.1 features for review or are you going to be including those because it is like technically iOS 13 anyway? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:43
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I will be including them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:44
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     My current plan is to launch is to publish the review. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     the day that iOS 13.0 comes out, but still cover features coming to 13.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:58
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Maybe not to the same extent as the features actually available that day in 13, but still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     cover them and talk about them, because I feel like they were part of the original iOS 13 plan, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:15
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And again, I get the sense that they will be coming back sooner 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:19
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     rather than later. So I think it makes sense for me to cover them. It does 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:23
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     add, all of this though adds a layer of complication to the review that I did 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:29
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     ►  
     not foresee. So as I mentioned, I will have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:34
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     to explain upfront, for example, how the review was primarily written and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:40
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     tested while using iOS 13.0 beta, but towards the end of the process I upgraded to 13.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I will have to explain how that is still in beta, how that is still not out, and I will have to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:55
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     explain the small differences between iOS 13.0 and iOS 13.1 and find a clear way to communicate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:05
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     "this is what you're getting today, this is what you're getting for example in two weeks." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:10
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Let me give you an example. On the iPad, in Apple Music, in 13, the now playing screen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:19
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     opens as a floating panel at the side of the music app. It looks like a floating panel, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:27
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     it's detached from the top edge, it's detached from the bottom edge of the screen, but it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:33
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It doesn't actually let you grab it and move it across the screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:39
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It's fixing position. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:48:41
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     ►  
     It looks like a floating panel, but it doesn't actually float. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:45
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     In 13.1, they have changed the design slightly so that it doesn't look like a floating panel 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's completely attached to the bottom section of the toolbar. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this is a small difference, but it's something that I gotta explain. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the people reading my review will probably have 13.0 on the day that 13 comes out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And on that version, that floating panel looks weird, but I already know that it's gonna look not weird as much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when 13.1 comes out. So there's a lot of consideration that I gotta go through, you know, all the difference that I find. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm keeping a list in reminders right now, and try and have mentions of things like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Oh, by the way, in a month, or if Apple gives me a release date, I expect... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would like them to share a 13.1 release date at the iPhone event, if possible, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I will be able to say things like, on September 30th or whatever, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the 13.1 update, this feature will look different." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, I was not expecting to do this, and of course, in the shortcuts section, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will cover conversational shortcuts, I will cover automations, but I need to be mindful of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how many examples do I want to share for something that is technically not out yet, and most people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will not be able to use it because they don't want to install the beta, but it's still important to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talk about because it's part of a bigger story around iOS 13. So that, of course, the fact that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I'm running behind schedule doesn't help, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's something that, you know, it'll get done, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - I think that's the right way to handle it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because other than this time gap, however long it is, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     13.0 and 13.1, those details are gonna be lost to time, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right, if someone's reading this in six months or a year, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Then it doesn't really matter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Which is probably gonna take them that long to read it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it's not small. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - That's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I think the balance of sorting out 13.0 and 13.1, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's important, but I don't think it's something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you should totally destroy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the next several weeks of your life over either. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Which is gonna happen anyway, but still. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - True, sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We know you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I mean, I just wanna warn listeners 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in that you may recall when I was younger and innocent two months ago, really, I thought that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I thought that my review would be the shortest one I've ever made. Well, let me tell you, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     having two operating systems in the same review doesn't make it shorter, it makes it double 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what it usually is. Uh oh, this is news. Wait a second. What's happening? It happened that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I thought, you know, there's so much overlap between iOS and iPadOS, I can write a small 
     
     
  
 
 
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     review, you know, I can make it smaller than in previous years, shorter, more compact. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm happy that I think I was able to move away from the technical language and the technical 
     
     
  
 
 
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     jargon and all the API discussion as much as possible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's very, very little API talk or framework talk in this review. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is very conversational. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's based on experience. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's on the same style of my "Beyond the Tablets" story from May. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there are just so many changes in iOS 13 and iPadOS that I completely misunderstood the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     scope of the story. And this will be the most extensive, longest review I've ever done, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by far. Oh, it's going to be the biggest thing I've ever done, really. It is, it is, it's, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's massive. But, and, and this is considering how the Mac stories team is helping me with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all those stories that we've been publishing on Mac stories. We needed them because I will 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not be able to cover those features in my review. So, Sitecar, Maps, Sign-In with Apple, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those features are not covered in the review. Still, it's the longest, you know, deepest, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I think hopefully best one that I've done to date, I'm really happy with what I'm doing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so far, but it's a lot of work and I'm still writing some chapters. I'm very happy with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the fact that I decided to save the shortcuts chapter for last. Imagine if I had to write 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the whole thing when automations were not available and I thought that 13.0 was gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be the only version shipping. I'm gonna finish the shortcuts chapter this week and there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a, you know, at that point there will be the grab bag chapter and the conclusion left to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do. So I'm shooting for middle of next week to finish writing everything. I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     already editing the review, of course, and I'm getting some excellent help from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from Ryan, obviously, like every year. So I'm writing a day editing at night, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the whole thing is just massive, and I switched text editors. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yesterday I moved from drafts to IA writer, because I need to speed up the process of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     collecting screenshots and including screenshots in the review. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm using the same method that I used back in May for the Beyond the Tablet story. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's gonna be of course, you know, fancy videos and animations. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're working on some, actually some visual changes for the review itself. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     New formatting tools, new elements. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because you just can't stop yourself, can you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can't stop yourself from doing that every year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Every year you say "Nah, I'm not gonna do any of that" and then there you go, doing 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But I'm really, I'm pushing myself maybe a little too much right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but also I don't want to complain too much because I love doing this. I am stressed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a weird, you know, I have a weird combination of feelings right now. I am incredibly stressed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and tired, but I also love what I'm doing. So it's, you know, it's like I'm punishing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     myself, but I also love doing that with text. Not with anything else. So yeah, 13.1, big 
     
     
  
 
 
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     change. I will have to revise the things that I say in certain places. But I think it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doable. And I think it's the right call to include it. We'll see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, we're going to talk about Apple's changes to the Siri privacy framework. I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, we need to talk about a story we missed the first part of the story has been a couple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of weeks since we've had a regular episode. But at the end of July, the Guardian reported 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that Apple was employing contractors to listen to audio samples from failed Siri interactions. So 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what was going on is Siri. Apple was recording Siri conversations, so it would have audio from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     individuals, including when Siri was falsely triggered. And contacts were listening to those 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and comparing them with computer generated transcripts to understand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what was happening with Siri, why it was misfiring or why it was misunderstanding. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Users were not alerted to this, it was on for everyone. Apple said data about the user's names, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     locations, Apple ID, etc. were not part of the review. But the Guardian, if you read that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     original article, people were listening some pretty, you know, private things. And it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     great. The company at the time commented that it was a very small random subset of these things, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     less than 1% of daily Siri activations were used for grading, typically only a few seconds long, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we now know an Apple's press release today, which we're gonna talk about, it's actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     point 2% of interaction. So a very small number. But if you think about how many times I can't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     even imagine how many times Siri must be activated today that that is a whole lot of audio being 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shared with contractors. And so this has kind of been in the news after this story came out, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple said that it was pausing the Siri grading program until it could figure out what it needed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to do. And today Apple is back with changes they say they're making to this program. And I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think I'm going to run through these real quick and then we can kind of talk about what 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So first coming in a future software update, users will opt in to this program and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     default will be that Apple no longer retains audio recordings of Siri interaction. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if you do nothing, after this future update, they didn't clarify what that would be if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it'd be Catalina and I was 13. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If we'll get a point update some point down the road, whatever it is after that update 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is out. If you do nothing, Apple will not keep audio recordings of your Siri interactions. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     However, you can opt in to them keeping those those audio train those audio files. However, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple will continue to use computer generated transcripts to help Siri improve that cannot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be opted out of if you use Siri. Those interactions could become computer generated transcripts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for use later by the company. Apple has also moved this from a contractor service to in house 
     
     
  
 
 
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     employees that cost some 300 contractors their jobs in Ireland, which is not great. Maybe there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was a way Apple could have hired some of those folks. Maybe they did, but still a lot of people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out of work, which is never a good thing. But it's it's in house now. And this this is like a gateway 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to a bigger conversation I don't really want to have today. But Casey Newton of the Verge has been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doing some really great reporting on Facebook, and how their content moderation team very often are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     made of a contractors and they're not employees, they don't get benefits. And that's a practice 
     
     
  
 
 
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     across Silicon Valley that is pretty gross. And I think I think everyone should change. But again, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're going to leave that today. So you're opting for audio recordings, computer generated transcripts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will still be on for everybody. And the grading process will will be suspended until this update 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is out and users start to opt in. So they're not turning this back on the way it was, they're going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be using the the new system. So there's a bunch of links in the show notes about this the original 
     
     
  
 
 
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     reporting, a reporting today, Apple's press release a k base article about what Siri grading actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is because look, you know, we all know that all the voice assistants but maybe Siri in particular, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it struggles sometimes and they're using this real world data to improve it. I understand that need, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I think Apple went too far in what they were doing to improve it. And I'm curious what you guys 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think about this. Myke, what about you? Well, I mean, they got caught with the table between 
     
     
  
 
 
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     their legs, like the original very, very original comment that Apple gave to the Guardian, they were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of like, yeah, no worries, like, we're just gonna keep doing it. It's not a problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then it started to get kind of like a storm started to get kicked up really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then they have had to backtrack over this in multiple ways right like then they were giving 
     
     
  
 
 
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     additional statements then they said they were going to stop it and now they've basically 
     
     
  
 
 
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     apologized and they're going to change it they're doing the right thing like i have no you know like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the the uh computer generated transcripts that is a bit better and i'm i'm intrigued to see how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're actually used right because like that's just like a thing where like okay but if all the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     text is gonna go is it any different um so i'm intrigued to see how they're gonna use that i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     find that to be peculiar that it can't be opted out of right that like yeah there's always gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be some element of my speech sent to apple if i use siri i don't think that i have to give them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that. I don't think that I need to be responsible for making their software better. I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know why I as a customer or every single customer must give their information to make software 
     
     
  
 
 
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     better. That just seems like a strange thing to me. But this is at least better than what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they were doing. Do you know, Stephen, how those computer-generated transcripts are used? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Does it say if they're going to be given to people to look at? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, so the grading will continue with the opt-in audio if you decide to do that, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     also these automatically generated transcripts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So they will go to now employees, not contractors, in the Siri grading process. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I feel the way you feel about this, like I don't love it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, the Guardian article, if you go and read it, you know, it says these interviewees 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that the Guardian had, so that people can listen to intimate moments in someone's house 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that sort of thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That sort of thing on a transcript is maybe less impactful, but I think that there should 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be a way for people to understand what actually is being sent. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't know how you do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So from the knowledge base, it says computer-generated transcripts are used to improve Siri and its 
     
     
  
 
 
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     reliability. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     transcripts are used in machine learning training to improve Siri, determine common usage patterns 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and update language and understanding models. The transcripts may also be used to resolve 
     
     
  
 
 
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     critical problems that affect Siri reliability. By default, Apple will no longer retain audio, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     blah blah blah, computer generated transcripts of your audio requests may be used to improve. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     These transcriptions are associated with a random identifier, not your Apple ID, for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up to 6 months. If you do not want transcripts of your Siri audio recordings to be retained, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can disable Siri and dictation in settings. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Some of the basics of this are not changing, but they are making parts of it better, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like the fact that it's not going to be contracted, so maybe they can do more about the way that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things will be shared. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're clarifying a little bit more about maybe loosening some of the ways that they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were, some of the information they were assigning, because the Guardian story made it seem like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they were assigning way more than just this random identifier. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it does, Apple's not being, you know, they're not saying what else they're keeping. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it is just like a, you know, if a machine is reading this information and it's getting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     better and then that's it, I'm fine with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But there is still a part of me that's like, yeah, but like, do I have to be your test 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     And I know how this stuff works, but it's still a little bit like, oh, so now I can't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     use Siri if I don't want to do that, which is still a strange thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But they are at least tightening up a lot of the other problems that I had around this, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple were really kind of defensive initially and they have now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Done they have now made changes that are more in line with their typical stance around privacy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which the original case was that was not at all. Yeah, I mean Apple just blew this right like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     same thing caught between their tail between their legs like is is an understatement they they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they say they get to this in their press release, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple says it has a certain standard and that this program 
     
     
  
 
 
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     didn't live up to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think it's much closer to that now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, this bit about the transcripts, I think, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     deserves more explanation. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And maybe even some examples from Apple of like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is what these sorts of things look like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because without that, it's just like up to our imagination 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what they're capturing, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then that, I think, is something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they still need to tidy up a little bit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico, you live in a house full of HomePods. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Has this made you reconsider your use of Siri, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or are you still comfortable with it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - There's an answer that I would like to give, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's not a good answer for a public podcast. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm trying to frame it in a way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that doesn't make me sound like an idiot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know that I should, right, get upset about it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's just, I think Apple is doing the right thing here, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think it was, you know, I don't know if it was a scandal or not, but I think I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happy that they were called out on it, and I'm happy that they're making changes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just didn't get upset about it, because I didn't have the time to get upset about 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     It happened while I was on vacation, and I just... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My gut reaction was, "Yeah, whatever, this will get fixed." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't particularly worry about the fact that somebody listened to my queries because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know how I use my HomePods, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know that I use them to play music and save reminders and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't send messages with Siri because my accent is terrible for sending messages with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with Siri, it doesn't pick up most of the words correctly. Yeah, exactly. See, Siri 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just activated on my HomePod. Right, and that's the problem. For me, my problem was never 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sharing with Siri what I'm asking, like sharing of Apple what I'm asking Siri. It was how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     many times my HomePod is collecting information that I never knew it was collecting, because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't ask it. Right, right. And I get it, and I get it, and you're totally right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I know that this is how any belief of privacy dies. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It dies when people just stop caring about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm just saying that in another period of the year, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would have gotten upset about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't because it was the summer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's okay to have priorities. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's perfectly fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And I just, no, I feel bad because I feel like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's an expectation when you're, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to some degree, a public figure figure commenting on technology. In this case, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:36
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     Apple, it is sort of your responsibility to do, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:40
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     we talked about this before, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:41
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     to have an opinion to have a stance on something that happens. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:45
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     But if you just ask me personally as Federico, did, were you concerned? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:50
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     I wasn't because I was on vacation and that is my completely honest answer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My professional answer is it was upsetting and I'm glad that Apple is fixing it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it seems like they're doing all they're supposed to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe they should be doing more. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm curious to see, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from a design standpoint, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what the permission will actually look like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Will they be displayed during setup? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:17
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     Will they be communicated clearly? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:19
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     Just like today's press release, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:21
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     an FAQ is communicated very clearly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:24
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     It's written in plain English. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It reads like something that Steve Jobs would write. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I remember how Steve Jobs used to communicate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with those public open letters on apple.com, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:39
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     used to communicate things very clearly in plain English. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:42
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     And this letter, this apology is in that style. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:46
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     It's explained very concisely. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I think Apple is doing the right thing here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:51
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     I want to see what it'll look like in settings, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:53
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     what it'll look like in setup. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Will it be hidden so that most people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will not find the option. I don't know. But personally speaking, I wasn't even on podcasts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was on vacation. I didn't write about it on Mac stories. I wasn't particularly concerned 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it happened at the wrongest time for me in the summer. But if it happened, say, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:20
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     in March, I would have been all over this. But sometimes you got priorities and sometimes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:25
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     Sometimes you're at the beach and you don't have time to worry about digital assistant 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:30
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     privacy and that's my honest answer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:33
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     All right, I think that does it for this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:36
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     If you want to find links to the stuff we talked about, they're on the web, relay.fm/connected/258 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or in your podcast app of choice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:46
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     While you're at our website, you can do a couple of things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:49
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     You can send us an email with feedback or follow up and then there's links also to our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Twitter profiles. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:54
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     You can follow Myke on Twitter as @imyke. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:58
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     Myke is the host of many shows here on Relay FM, so you can go check those out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:03
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     Federico who is back, he's on Twitter @evitici, the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:10
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     The future home of the iOS 13 review. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:14
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     If you're bored this evening, go read the iOS 10 review. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:16
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     It's still out there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:17
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     Go learn about iOS 10. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:18
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     You've really got to go far back there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:20
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     12 would have been fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:23
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     I was wondering what was the first one? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 01:12:28
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     Yeah, go read the iOS 9 review and see how far we've come. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:31
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     You can follow me on Twitter as ism8 and I write at 512pixels.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:35
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     I'd like our sponsors, Eero, Hello, and DoorDash. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:39
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     Until next time gentlemen, say goodbye. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:41
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     Arrivederci. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:42
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     Go to stjude.org/connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Bye-bye. Adios.