258: Technically iOS 13
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- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 258.
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It is made possible by our sponsors,
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Eero, Hello, and DoorDash.
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I am Stephen Hackett and I am joined for the first time
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in a long time by Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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- Hello, hi.
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- Welcome back.
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- This is not the bot speaking, this is actually me.
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You heard that, huh?
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That's really caught on.
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Isn't that what a bot would say?
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Yeah, that's true.
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He's become self-aware.
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Well, that's up to you to decide.
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Maybe I mastered the artificial intelligence of my replicant.
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And that's who you're doing a podcast with.
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Whatever works for you, man.
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And Myke Hurley is here as well.
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I'm in a cupboard.
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Uh, so I'm still in San Francisco, California.
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I'm leaving this evening.
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And the hotel room that I'm in is very echoey.
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So I have recorded two shows so far from inside of a wardrobe where the mini bar is.
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There's like a mini bar and like a clothes...
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Are you drinking right now?
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That's like a whole other thing.
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I'll get to that in a minute.
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So I'm in a very small room.
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I will send you both a picture of me in the small room.
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It's like it is a wardrobe, it has the mini bar and the safe in it.
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And I am using the ironing board as a desk.
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It's a life hack.
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There's no desk obviously because it's a wardrobe, why would they put a desk in it?
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So that's where I am.
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But the problem was I was recording before this, so I thought "oh I know what I'll do.
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I will use my very powerful external battery pack to power my MacBook Pro.
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But the MacBook Pro would not accept that it would start the charge
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and the charger just stop again,
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even though it should be powerful enough to do it.
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But I don't know why that's not working.
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Stephen said sometimes it doesn't work. I don't know why.
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So now I have my laptop.
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There's no obviously there's no power in the cupboard. Right.
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So now my laptop is outside the cupboard being powered.
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and I am inside with my iPad getting real work done.
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There's probably power behind that mini fridge somewhere,
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but you don't want to unplug that or they'll charge you for the whole thing.
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You should have unplugged the mini fridge.
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I had to turn off the mini fridge because I was you make a noise.
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And it looks like that the power is built in behind the wall.
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Probably to stop me from unplugging it,
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because the cable from the mini fridge goes into the wall
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and I'm not going to start trying to break the wall down just to get power.
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should have ripped off the cable off the wall. You should have done that. I don't know what
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is going to cover that for you ripping. No, I don't think that's true. Ripping the cable.
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I don't know why that would help me in any way. How is that? I can't like just take the
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cable from the fridge. Oh, for it'll make you feel better. What? But who am I spiking?
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Nobody. You know, but anyway, I also have, I don't know. I have limited beverages here.
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I have a very small amount of water because that's just where I am in my life. So maybe
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Maybe at some point in the episode I'll break into the minibar.
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There is water in there is what I'm saying.
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But we'll see how that goes.
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We can check in for frequent updates on my minibar situation if you want.
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Yeah, I'm taking a look at the picture right now.
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Don't touch those peanuts or you're gonna die.
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Alright, good, good.
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I'll get my hand out of the peanut jar so that's good news.
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Mmhmm, mmhmm.
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Everything else should be fine.
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I see potato chips.
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I'm sure it's look...
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Would you like some prices?
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So, uh, the, what would you like to know? The price of the chips?
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Yeah, and the M&M's maybe. What are the M&M's?
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The M&M's are $14.
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Oh, that seems like a lot.
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It's a lot for M&M's. I'm trying to- Oh, the kettle chips are $5. That is an expensive bag of chips.
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The water that I may need, um, where is that on this list?
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Uh, $8. That's a very expensive bottle of water.
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Which is not cold anymore either, which I feel like I should have to complain about.
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Because someone turned it off.
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There's a can of blue bottle coffee in here.
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And a bottle of Casanoble tequila.
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We'll see where the episode goes.
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Just don't eat while on the show because it's disgusting.
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Never do that. Otherwise you should be fine.
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Yeah I know you get very upset about that. I never eat on shows but I wouldn't do that to you.
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Please, please. I know.
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Now I really want to but I'm not going to.
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Do you get upset when people eat on phone calls or is it just podcasts?
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No, I get upset with all kinds of eating noises on any kind of audio transmission.
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Ah, so audio transmission only. Okay.
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Well, in real life I can manage it better, but for example Sylvia has a real problem,
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whereas in real life if somebody makes any weird mouth noises while eating, she gets
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super itchy and like it's she can't stand it my main problem is just audio I
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just think it's disgusting it's like the opposite of a say a SMR like it's
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something that makes me want to die inside I would love you to actually
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share how you really feel the which would be good because I feel like I don't
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fully understand how you really feel yeah just tell us like exactly how
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you're feeling about this? It is Sonic Torture for me. That's a very good band name.
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It's a promising name for a band. Moving on, we have been reporting in every once in a while on
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our beta statuses. We're going to talk about iOS 13.1 here in a few minutes, but I have boarded
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the beta train on my MacBook Pro. It is running Catalina natively with all my stuff on it.
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And just today I put my iPhone on the iOS 13 beta. So I'm living that sweet, sweet beta
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life now Federico and everything except my iMac Pro, which will remain a Mojave for the
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foreseeable future. So why did you put it on your phone? I wanted to so some of the
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stuff I'm thinking about writing about is sort of cross platform. And if like the iPad
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me most of that but I don't use my iPad as a daily device like y'all do so I kind of
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want to experience it on the phone so wow okay the shade I get it okay yeah it upgraded
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really easily and everything seems fine it's not even hot so hopefully it's it's okay we
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have a little bit of follow up from our family feud episode which was last week episode 257
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if somehow you haven't heard that yet you should go check it out it was a whole lot
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of fun. We had a lot of questions about video of the show. And so there the venue did record
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video of the event. I have not gotten the video yet. But if that ever materializes or
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when it materializes, we will share it far and wide so you can watch the two hour event.
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It think it is helpful. Like you can totally keep up with it and audio but I think the
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video will add a an extra element of joy if you enjoyed it. So we'll we'll be sure to
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to mention that here if that gets done and gets on YouTube, but we didn't want to promise
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it beforehand because I wasn't sure and it seems like it all got recorded.
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Also during that show, Myke's first podcast appearance, which was on Dignation in 1976,
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that was brought up and I had requested that people send me a photo, if they could find
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it, of Myke on that show.
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It was in my mentions within minutes of me saying it on stage.
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I had Twitter open on my laptop just to make sure you know if the livestream died or something and
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All of a sudden these pictures started
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Pouring in so that is a link in the show notes, and if you haven't seen this picture you really should
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This is not Myke right. This is really you
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That's me wow that is actually me yeah
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It's in the show notes. That is me. That's what I look like about a beard and longer hair. Well. You were like 12
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I was I don't know
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18 maybe 17 18 probably something around that time well there is a so the way
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that this person found it so Ryber found it it's kind of cheating right and I
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knew that this would happen this came up years ago on the pen addict so you'll
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see that the the poet the image the droplet link is 2016 see that's dated
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it's 2016 because I uploaded that photo so if you are a pan addict listening you
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know that this was there so all you had to do was search the show notes. I wondered if
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that was how anyone was going to pick it up and that was how it was picked up is my assumption.
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But there you go. There's a treat for people.
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So if you want to set that as your iPhone wallpaper, let me know.
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I of course have many more photos of myself from this time because who doesn't have pictures
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of themselves, especially when they were that age and Myspace existed. I'm considering maybe
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unearthing some of these pictures for our St. Jude fundraiser but we'll see about that.
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Let's talk about that. I would like to talk about that. September is National Childhood
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Cancer Awareness Month, and listeners will know we've raised money for St. Jude Children's
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Research Hospital for years now. I've got a son who's a patient there, and thanks to their
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hard work and amazing technology and science, he is doing really well. But every year, we work in
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September to raise money for the hospital, and we're doing it on an all-new scale this year.
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Relay FM is St. Jude's first official podcast partnership, which is really cool. We're really
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excited about that. And you can go to stjude.org/connected to learn more and to donate.
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And this money goes to funding the hospital, so patients and their families never receive a dime
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for any care they receive at St. Jude. We've been there for a decade, and it means a whole lot that
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the people around the world support this mission, support this work, so go check it out.
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stjou.org/connected.
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We're going to be talking about this a bunch over the next couple of weeks, but please
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go and give some money now.
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We have already raised over $9,000 to our $75,000 goal, so thank you to everybody that's
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done that after hearing us talk about it for the first time last week.
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But we have a lot of exciting things coming throughout September that's going to help
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us get to the goal that we want to reach.
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We should also mention just briefly August is the end of Relay's membership drive and
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our membership special will be coming out September 9th.
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We're a little bit behind just because there's so much travel.
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But Federico, do you want to tell the audience what we'll be doing on our membership special?
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Well I was informed, actually I am being forced into watching what essentially amounts to
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to a homemade movie of a so-called "actor" about Steve Jobs. So this is the Michael Fassbender
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portraits, if it can be called as such, of Steve Jobs. It's the screenplay by Aaron Sorkin.
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I have no idea how and why Aaron Sorkin lent his talents to this really amateur production
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featuring an actor that nobody knows about. Still, I'm guessing that they stole the screenplay
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maybe. I don't know. Um, we're going to watch that movie. We're going to share our impressions
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of that movie. Um, and it's going to be a member, a member special and you can expect
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all kinds of hot takes from me and about the movie. And because I already watched it once
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in Italian, but I want you to get an English. Um, wait, you've seen it. I've seen the movie
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was on TV last year and I think I saw, I sent you guys even a photo of, you know, the photo
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of the TV and I was like "Hey, look at the actor guy!"
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I don't remember you having seen that.
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So I'm gonna watch it again in English on my Apple TV and we're gonna talk about it.
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Especially I guess we're gonna compare it to the Pirates of the Silicon Valley, which
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we did last year I think, as the member special episode.
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So we continue our tradition of Steve Jobs movies with a... it's just called Steve Jobs,
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one I think there's no subtitle of course because it's an amateur production so yeah.
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I believe that it was rumored that Steven you will be attempting to fact check this
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movie. Was that rumored? I believe that was your suggestion or I suggested it upon you
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but I would like you to do your best to fact check this movie. Yeah and so there's a link
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to it to the IMDb page in the show notes. It is I could not find it on Netflix but it
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is available for like four dollars on Amazon Prime Video. I think it'd be fun if you're
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relay if you remember to watch it in advance so you can have it in your in
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your mind as we go through and talk about it we're not liable for any
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damage you do to your television set while watching it though I'm gonna buy
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it on iTunes just because I think that's funnier oh I am too might as well give
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him the money my first impression if I remember correctly is that while I
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watched the movie in Italian I wish that Seth Rogen played Steve Jobs instead of
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Fassbender so we'll see how it goes on my second watch I think we need to dig
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into that but we haven't got the time right now. We'll talk about that in our member special.
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Because I can't fathom this.
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Seth Rogen should have been Steve Jobs. That's all.
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Then who would have played Woz? And it just carries... Please,
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Steven, take us to a break. We can't do this now.
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and relay FM. Alright, Federico, you have a tweet up where you've continued to modify
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your iPad, your iPad situation. So what have you done this time?
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Put more stickers on top of the smart key portfolio. This is for my 12.9 inch iPad Pro.
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I bought these stickers from Amazon and they're probably illegal in the sense that I'm not
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sure if the original artists for these illustrations and brands are getting paid.
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But you know, they were available on Amazon for like three euros.
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That's Amazon's problem, that's not your problem.
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You know, sometimes you gotta put the morals aside and just be part of capitalism.
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And that's what I did for these stickers.
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So I put more stickers in and I bought an additional set of kickstands. These are the
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Spigen metal kickstands that we, much to Myke's entertainment, we talked about a few months
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ago. I sent Myke some pictures and then I did an article about them. They are originally
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intended as smartphone kickstands, but I sort of, you know, inspired by a fellow Mac Stories
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reader who disappeared in the void of Twitter. He never texted me or brought to me again.
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Somebody inspired me to do this months ago and I kept doing it. So initially I only used
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two kickstands to enable a software keyboard typing mode. So fold the keyboard, the physical
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keyboard under the cover but use the kickstands to create an angle. So you could use the iPad
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in Touch Typing mode. I recently realized that if I put two additional kickstands
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on the opposite end of the cover, I could create a movie watching mode. So let the iPad stand upright
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and use the keyboard essentially as a base for the entire thing. Both of these modes are
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enabled are possible with the Smart Folio. So not the Smart Keyboard Folio, the regular Smart Folio
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without the keyboard. The keyboard version doesn't allow this because it doesn't fold,
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it doesn't have the same origami system of the Smart Folio. So with the kickstands,
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I can sort of replicate that experience. And now I have a movie mode that I can use, you know,
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when I want to watch some YouTube embed with the big iPad Pro, I can just put the iPad Pro
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essentially on my chest, you know, because I'm lying in bed and make it stand upright with the
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kickstands and watch some video. I've also tried playing video games with the DualShock controller
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connected to the iPad Pro in this mode and it works really well. So I think I'm done with the
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modding for now and I actually quite like the results. I have a concern about your iPad. Okay.
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What has happened to the USB-C port?
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Yes, I was just going to ask this.
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It's all worn away.
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I know. I have no idea.
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I don't do anything particular to that USB-C port.
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I just plug and unplug cables.
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Maybe the problem is the cables that I use.
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Maybe they create too much friction against the side,
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the edge of the iPad and that discoloration.
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I have no idea.
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Are you using any of those dongles or anything like the hyperdrive?
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You're not using anything like that?
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- No, no, I only test them every once in a while,
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but I don't usually attach them.
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I think it must be one of the cables that I have
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that maybe, you know.
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- I mean, are you like rubbing it around?
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So this picture, you have a space gray iPad Pro,
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and the space gray anodization is like rubbed off,
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and you can see silver.
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- But it's not just around the USB-C connector,
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there's also like below it in a line.
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Yeah, are you just like rubbing around?
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I'm zooming and enhancing right now on these images.
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I don't understand what's happened.
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I find it very surprising the amount of people that were extremely concerned about this.
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I don't particularly care about, you know, having my devices look used.
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It's electronics that are meant to be used, they're meant to be handled.
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I don't have a problem with it. Like I'm not disappointed at you. I'm just intrigued, right?
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Because like I have two space gray iPads and don't have this like so I just wonder like what
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is it that's doing? No, I don't know. My pad silver, but it's smooth. I don't have any roughness
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around it. I mean, it's I don't know. It's strange. It just caught my eye. I agree with you.
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These things should be used and like, look, I can't judge anybody for damaging an Apple product. How
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many iPhones have I been through in the course of the show? But yeah, it just caught my eye. That's
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all. No, I get it. I think because of this, and even if only because I actually prefer
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the look now that I have one, my next iPad Pro is probably gonna be silver. I have the
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11" iPad Pro is a silver one, and I think I prefer the look of the edges. As time has
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gone on, I think I prefer that to the space grey. So my next one, probably not gonna be
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space grey. But I don't particularly care about the, you know, that problem right there
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in the photo. But yeah, I have no idea. Maybe it's the way that I put it in my bag or maybe
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I have no idea. I don't rub anything against the iPad really. I don't play with the connector
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in any way. It just, I don't know. Maybe it's one of the cables that I use that has like
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the top edge is rubbing against the iPad in a weird way. I don't know.
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I have a theory. Federico, what does the other side look like?
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Is that is it worn away on the other side?
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No, because I'm wondering if it's your rings.
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I'm looking now.
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Is it jewelry that's doing it?
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Oh, it could be. Yeah, totally. Right.
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Because you have those big chunky rings that you use
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that you walk around town with so you can make your mark in things.
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And the way you hold your iPad, I bet you hold it just there.
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And I bet that's what I bet is rubbing against it.
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I'm a detective. The right detective season four features me.
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and the right side is where I got a salmon slide over. So that totally makes sense that I would
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bump my fingers with the rings on the right side and that's what caused the problem. I think you
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got it. Did it. Wow. Did it. That's amazing work, Myke. It's really good. Thank you. Thank you. I
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had to go into my mind palace to get that one. Just while we're talking about silver versus
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of space gray. I think I'm kind of over space gray as a product color. Like, my laptop is
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silver. My iPad is silver. And I really like it. Like I like the crisp kind of look. And
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this sort of thing doesn't happen where if you if you get nicks and dings and stuff,
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you don't you don't get silver shining through. I'm I'm I'm in the camp of doing silver on
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Apple products, not not space gray.
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I think this is one of those things of like, it's like a what you're used to, right? Like
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you use space gray for a long time. So now you're like silver seems new and nice again. Right? Like,
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because I see whenever I see like silver iPads, I'm like, Oh, man, I forgot about that. So I can
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understand what you're coming from. But you had one for eight years, right? Like before space gray
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was an option. Yeah. But I'm a professional. So I have to use space gray. Oh, yeah, it's true.
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Up next in our snot tiny topic. It's topic 0.5 Mario Kart tour coming on September 25. What's
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What's this about, Myke?
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Federica, did they change the name of this?
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I'm sure it was like Mario Kart World Tour or something like that, but Mario Kart Tour
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is a smartphone game.
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It's going to be on iOS and Android, but it seems like it might be coming out on iOS first.
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You can preorder it now.
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It is in essence what everybody thought that has been thinking about this.
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It's not going to be Mario Kart like you know it.
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It is going to be a smartphone interpretation of Mario Kart.
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So a portrait game where you're basically using your finger or your thumb to swipe left
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and right to kind of control the cart.
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You're going forward and you're moving left and right to control the cart.
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It looks okay.
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I mean it's going to be full of microtransactions and stuff like that would be my expectation.
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And so if you didn't think that this game was going to be that, I love you but you were
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way too hopeful.
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So we're very unhappy with the money made from Super Mario Go run and that was a pay
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out, you know, like you got like a few levels and you paid for it.
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They're not going to do that again.
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So this game is going to be full of in-app purchases.
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And let me tell you, I want to give you a breakdown of the available in-app purchases.
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We have rubies at three times, three times, ten times, twenty three times, forty eight
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times, seventy five and times one hundred and thirty five.
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they are varying prices from $1.99 to $38.99.
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There are two things called Gold Pass, which is $4.99
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and something called Special Offer, which is $19.99.
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So it seems like maybe buying tracks
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and buying rubies to give you life's or like lives or like other things.
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The game is free to start with in-app purchase available is what it says.
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So there's going to be a ton of things that you can buy
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and it's going to be a bunch of different micro transaction mechanics.
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and I'm sure that's just the way it's going to be.
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It looks like from the screenshots that you need like different points
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to unlock different cards.
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It's going to be like a in-app purchase festival over there on Mario Kart Tour.
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But I bet it's going to be really nice
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and it's going to be a nice little simple game to play.
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There is another Nintendo game that came out recently,
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didn't really make much of a splash and I actually have not played it,
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which is Dr. Mario.
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Have you played the Dr. Mario iOS game, Federico?
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No, I haven't. No.
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Never been a fan, really.
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Uh, yeah, Dr. Mario isn't my jam, which is why I didn't play it.
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And I tried downloading it and I opened it and it's like,
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"You're not connected to the internet."
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And I was just like, "Oh, go away. Go away, Nintendo."
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And that's like puzzle games, right? Like it's...
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Yes, it's closer to Tetris than anything else.
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But yeah, Mario Kart Tour is one that I will be checking out
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because I tend to like these kinds of games anyway, right?
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Looks like a simple, quick iOS game.
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And we'll see.
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We'll just see just how in-app purchase-y it is.
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I enjoyed the comments of some Apple observers that I had that I follow on Twitter.
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There are other sometimes pop up in my timeline of why isn't Nintendo making actual,
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you know, paid up front iOS games?
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Well, guess why? Because they have a console and that's, you know,
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they're using iOS games for what they're good at so far to drive sales
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of the real games on the Nintendo Switch, which is selling and going really well.
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If they put real Mario Kart for $5 on the App Store, how are they going to sell Mario
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Kart for $40 on a Nintendo Switch, where they get all the money, rather than having to hand
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over some to Apple?
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Are we surprised this isn't being held for Apple Arcade?
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I would expect Nintendo still think they can make more money than it purchased than they
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can with Apple Arcade.
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Plus, this game is not going to be exclusive, and Apple want that.
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holding phone news again for some reason.
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- Yeah. (laughs)
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As expected, the Huawei Mate 10 has officially been delayed.
00:27:05
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- Oh, what a shocker.
00:27:06
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- Huawei has said there is no possibility
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of a September launch date,
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but they are certain it will launch by the end of the year.
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We're at the end of August
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and we still don't have a defined date.
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It would seem about when the Galaxy Fold is coming out,
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but Samsung have said September, so, you know.
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- It's gonna be a big episode when that one thing,
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when that thing finally comes out.
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So I'm excited still, but who knows?
00:27:30
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- You said the perfect thing about the Galaxy Fold,
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that everyone you know will want to see it.
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And that is how I feel about it.
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I want to see it, I want to fold it a few times,
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I want to hand it back to you.
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So I'm looking forward to that interaction.
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- There's a pre-registration page in China,
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but I can't really do anything about that right now.
00:27:46
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- All right, we're gonna talk about iOS 13.1,
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the beta that surprised, I think, just about everybody.
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All right, Federico, walk us through the last 24 hours
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of iOS 13 and now 13.1.
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Oh, God. Well, so we were all expecting to see iOS 13 Beta 9 yesterday, or sometimes this week.
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Instead, Apple surprised us and before iOS 13 is even out, they have released the first Beta of iOS
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13.1. So the next major point update to iOS 13 is already in testing with developers and now with
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the public because the public beta is also out and iOS 13.0, the basic version, also still in beta.
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But we're not sure what's gonna happen in the sense that speculation right now suggests that
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Apple needed to finalize iOS 13.0 in order to install it on the new iPhones
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that are supposedly right now currently in production in China for release in September.
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So iOS 13 is pretty much done. It's pretty much, you know, whatever beta 8 or
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a slightly updated version of beta 8 that Apple has
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That's been wrapped up, that's done, and it's gonna be installed on the new iPhones, and it's gonna be released to the public as iOS 13.
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The problem is that some of the features that Apple promised as part of the iOS 13 fall update
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were removed from iOS 13 beta a few weeks ago,
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namely audio sharing with AirPods,
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automations in shortcuts,
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conversional shortcuts,
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basically the ability to interact back and forth with the shortcut using Siri,
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and a bunch of other features that were removed and we were all expecting them to come back
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eventually in iOS 13 Beta 9 or Beta 10 or whatever, and instead have been rolled into iOS 13.1.
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So those features are coming back, but they're coming back in iOS 13.1. We don't know
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when iOS 13.1 will launch to the public. So, in looking at previous trends and previous patterns,
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we know that, for example, last year iOS 12.1, which also contained new emoji,
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launched at the end of October, and I think it was pre-installed on the new iPad Pros.
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Now, does Apple want to release iOS 13.1 at the end of October? A full month, probably even more,
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45 days or something after the theoretical release of iOS 13. I guess we're all expecting iOS 13 to
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launch on or around September 16th. Does Apple want to wait a month and a half to push this update?
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Can it come out earlier than that maybe? We don't know. So if you guys allow me, I prepared a list
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of all the features that I spotted in iOS 13.1, and I guess we can have a conversation about
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these features as well as my plans for the iOS review, because this whole thing is forcing me
00:33:32
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to change my plans. We're going to talk about that. So the features that have been pushed to
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iOS 13.1 are the ability to share an ETA using maps. This was removed from 13, now in 13.1.
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Shortcuts automations have come back. They are available in 13.1. The ability to run shortcuts
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inside the Home app. So as part of HomeKit automations you can now run shortcut actions.
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Conversational shortcuts, as I mentioned, the ability to interact with shortcuts actions inside
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Siri. So things like choose from list or ask for input or even parameters from third-party actions.
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in shortcuts. Those are now exclusive to 13.1. If you try and do the same in iOS 13, the
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shortcuts app will open instead, as in iOS 12. Audio sharing with AirPods coming back
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in 13.1. And then there's new features. Oh, and also I think I spotted the new gesture
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to select multiple items in a table view.
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So for example, messages in mail or notes in the Notes app.
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In theory, you should be able to do that
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by just swiping on them with two fingers.
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So put two fingers on the screen, swipe down or up,
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and you select multiple items instead of having to edit
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and then select them.
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In 13.1, this gesture behaves as Apple promised
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in that you can just put two fingers down
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and select the items.
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In 13 Beta 8, you still need to tap the Edit button first,
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and then swipe with two fingers to select.
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So that gesture is a little smoother, a little more
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intuitive in 13.1.
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There is also new features that are not part of iOS 13,
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but that will be part of iOS 13.1,
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at least in the first beta.
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There's new icons for HomeKit accessories,
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new animations for HomeKit accessories,
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which look really nice.
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You can create an SSH key in shortcuts.
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So if you wanna connect to a server,
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you don't wanna use a password,
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you can now create a key using RSA and that other method,
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EA something, I don't remember the full name.
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And also there's a new, so you know the new volume indicator,
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the new volume slider in iOS 13,
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that's still gonna ship.
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- It's nice. - It's very nice.
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- Thank goodness they got something in.
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- Still gonna ship, still gonna ship in 13.
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But in 13.1, you're gonna get
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sort of a multiple custom flavors,
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depending on the accessory
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that you're controlling the volume for.
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So when you change the volume on the AirPods,
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the slider is gonna have an AirPods icon.
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When you change the volume on the HomePod,
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it's gonna have a HomePod icon.
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There's custom icons for different types of Beats headphones.
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Looks really nice.
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And that's about pretty much everything
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that I found in 13.1.
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- I have so many questions, Federico.
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So many questions.
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- So you said I was 13.
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You believe, you know, dev beta eight,
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I think it's public beta seven.
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That feels like what I was 13.0 was going to be.
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Clearly Apple had to move the goalpost
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to get that done, right?
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So I guess our assumption is that 13
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is required for the new phones,
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that whatever new stuff is required for these new phones
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in a couple weeks, they can't backport that to 12,
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and they wanna launch with a new version number,
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as they've always done.
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That all makes sense to me,
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but it does raise questions in my mind about,
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maybe did Apple bite off more than it could chew
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in this release, or, as I say, something about
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the speed of Apple's software development cycle?
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What is, in your mind, what's the big lesson here
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in them splitting so much stuff out of 13
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and pushing it down the road a little bit?
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Because they've done this before, right?
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So like, Group FaceTime is an example.
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iMessage in the cloud was an example,
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I think the year before that.
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Big headline features, they got pushed to a later release.
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They've done this before, but it seems like
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almost anything good in 13 is not actually
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going to be in 13, it'll be in 13.1.
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I don't know, what do you walk away thinking about?
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Thinking about that?
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- I guess that for the things that I can say,
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because there's conversations going on, right?
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You know, when you have friends that work at Apple,
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you sort of, you try and gain
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some of the background knowledge.
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So there are things that I wouldn't want to repeat
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the show, but my general sense is that it is part of that, it is as you say sort of,
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you know, Apple over promised a little for some features that clearly needed more time.
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For example the Maps ETA or the Shortcase Automations and all that kind of stuff. I
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think it's sort of a sign of how sometimes, you know, when managers make decisions and
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they don't have a clear sense, maybe, of all the ramifications that the decisions have
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in terms of shipping features on time. And I think maybe someday we'll be able to talk
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about how some of these features are, you know, the main problem was a lack of communication
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between teams at Apple. And the reason why maybe, you know, maybe some actions got removed
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from shortcuts, because maybe the communication between the different teams involved prevented
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that, prevented those actions from shipping. I think what I walk away with is that, you
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know, having a plan, a solid plan for which features to ship on time continues to be an
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exercise for Apple. They're not perfect at this. I think they, you know, compared to
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last year where some features got pushed back to 12.4 if I'm not mistaken or 12.3. I think
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we, you know, I think, you know, having most of them, if not all of them come back by the
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first point update, I think that's a good sign. So maybe Apple didn't plan exactly right,
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but they still overall did better than the iOS 12 cycle. And I want to see...
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They were closer to the mark.
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They were closer than last year.
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And I want to see...
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I get the sense that 13.1 may come sooner than 12.1 did.
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I have a feeling that we won't have to wait 45 days for it to ship after 13 does.
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But is that a week?
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Is that two weeks?
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I don't think it's going to be a day one patch, as some people are calling it.
00:40:49
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So the day one patch, this is a common term in the video game industry where a video game
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maker has to submit a version of the game for approval purposes and to get it printed
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on discs or stuff like that.
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But then they have already started working on the first patch of the game.
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So as soon as you put the disc in, you're required to go through a day one patch, because
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the physical version that you have requires an update that has already been released digitally
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through servers. And the idea here would be that, in the case of Apple, we don't have
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physical disks, but we have physical phones. And those phones may have an outdated version
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of iOS 13. I don't think Apple has the time to ship a day one patch, especially because
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they... And it wouldn't make sense to do it as 13.1
00:41:38
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anyway. Exactly.
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It would just be 13. Exactly. So, I think we're going to have to
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but maybe not as long as in previous years.
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Though, right now that's just my interpretation of things that I hear,
00:41:50
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you know, through the air, through birds, and we'll see how it goes.
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But I feel optimistic, even though this whole thing basically...
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I don't want to say destroyed my plans, but it was quite a day yesterday.
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yesterday. But this 13 itself, the 13 like beta 8 or whatever that I don't even know if anybody
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can even beta test anymore because 13.1 seems to have just like swallowed up the dev channel.
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Does that feel, has that felt like it was in a releasable state before the 13.1 beta?
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It is in a releasable state, but it's not as good as 12.0, I think.
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Which, you know, part of the problem for me right now is having to revise some of the
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impressions that I shared in, for example, the performance section of my review that I already
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wrote because now I'm dealing with a version that is not out yet and I was
00:43:04
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under the assumption that things would still get better before the final
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release and I think one of the big features that we didn't mention and one
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of the reasons that also Apple was able to sort of pull back from new features
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and release 13 in this state is they have completely reversed the new file
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format of iCloud Drive. Early in the iOS 13 beta cycle they upgraded iCloud Drive
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to a new format. They actually changed the path in the file system for the
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application document folders and that change allowed for at least two features
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that Apple promised as coming to files. The ability to pin a file so that it
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would always stay cached on your device, downloaded offline.
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And the second major feature, shared folders.
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So collaborative folders in iCloud Drive.
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But because Apple had to reverse and go back
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to the older iCloud Drive format,
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those features have been pulled.
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They're still not part of iOS 13.1.
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And that, I would say, is where Apple really, I think,
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messed up their timeline.
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Because all those other features,
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you know, the shortcuts automations,
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maps ETA, audio sharing, conversational shortcuts,
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even though it is, you know,
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it's not ideal that they were promised
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as coming with the first version,
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they're still coming within a relatively short timeframe,
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I would say.
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But the files changes.
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The fact that they're not in 13.1 Beta 1
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makes me suspicious of the fact
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that maybe we'll have to wait longer,
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if not until next year, which that would be bad.
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Shared folders and pinning files in iCloud Drive,
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those were highly anticipated features,
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especially the shared folders.
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And it would be bad for Apple
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having to wait until iOS 14 in 2020.
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- Yeah, that would be sad, sad for everybody.
00:45:19
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One thing, you mentioned this,
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but I kinda wanna rewind this for a second.
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the idea of the day one patch,
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Apple does have to put some software on these phones
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that are in factories, right?
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And if this phone is gonna ship in three weeks,
00:45:35
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like we think it's going to,
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the cutoff for a beta isn't when the phone ends up
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at your doorstep, it's when the phones are done in a factory.
00:45:45
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And so Apple's deadline for iOS 13, I don't know when it is,
00:45:48
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I'd imagine it's soon if it hasn't,
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maybe that was a factor in getting this ready. So I tend to agree with you, I think we will
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see 13.1 pretty quickly, probably not on day one, but I would imagine, within, you know,
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the first seven to 10 days, maybe we see we see this roll out. It's weird, but I guess
00:46:09
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Apple would prefer to do this over shipping something that's like really buggy on brand
00:46:15
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new phones, right? Like they don't they don't want to do that. And if they're stuck with
00:46:20
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not being able to use 12, this is maybe their only option.
00:46:23
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And I'm sure that was a difficult decision to make, but probably the right one in the long run.
00:46:29
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So what is this doing to your review then?
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Are you going to are you pulling out the 13.1 features for review or are you going to be including those because it is like technically iOS 13 anyway?
00:46:43
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I will be including them.
00:46:44
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My current plan is to launch is to publish the review.
00:46:49
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the day that iOS 13.0 comes out, but still cover features coming to 13.1.
00:46:58
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Maybe not to the same extent as the features actually available that day in 13, but still
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cover them and talk about them, because I feel like they were part of the original iOS 13 plan,
00:47:15
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And again, I get the sense that they will be coming back sooner
00:47:19
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rather than later. So I think it makes sense for me to cover them. It does
00:47:23
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add, all of this though adds a layer of complication to the review that I did
00:47:29
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not foresee. So as I mentioned, I will have
00:47:34
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to explain upfront, for example, how the review was primarily written and
00:47:40
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tested while using iOS 13.0 beta, but towards the end of the process I upgraded to 13.1.
00:47:49
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I will have to explain how that is still in beta, how that is still not out, and I will have to
00:47:55
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explain the small differences between iOS 13.0 and iOS 13.1 and find a clear way to communicate
00:48:05
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"this is what you're getting today, this is what you're getting for example in two weeks."
00:48:10
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Let me give you an example. On the iPad, in Apple Music, in 13, the now playing screen
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opens as a floating panel at the side of the music app. It looks like a floating panel,
00:48:27
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it's detached from the top edge, it's detached from the bottom edge of the screen, but it
00:48:33
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It doesn't actually let you grab it and move it across the screen.
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It's fixing position.
00:48:41
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It looks like a floating panel, but it doesn't actually float.
00:48:45
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In 13.1, they have changed the design slightly so that it doesn't look like a floating panel
00:48:52
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It's completely attached to the bottom section of the toolbar.
00:48:58
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And this is a small difference, but it's something that I gotta explain.
00:49:02
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the people reading my review will probably have 13.0 on the day that 13 comes out.
00:49:09
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And on that version, that floating panel looks weird, but I already know that it's gonna look not weird as much
00:49:17
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when 13.1 comes out. So there's a lot of consideration that I gotta go through, you know, all the difference that I find.
00:49:24
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I'm keeping a list in reminders right now, and try and have mentions of things like,
00:49:30
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"Oh, by the way, in a month, or if Apple gives me a release date, I expect...
00:49:36
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I would like them to share a 13.1 release date at the iPhone event, if possible,
00:49:42
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but I will be able to say things like, on September 30th or whatever,
00:49:47
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with the 13.1 update, this feature will look different."
00:49:51
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So, I was not expecting to do this, and of course, in the shortcuts section,
00:49:58
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I will cover conversational shortcuts, I will cover automations, but I need to be mindful of
00:50:05
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how many examples do I want to share for something that is technically not out yet, and most people
00:50:12
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will not be able to use it because they don't want to install the beta, but it's still important to
00:50:17
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talk about because it's part of a bigger story around iOS 13. So that, of course, the fact that
00:50:24
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that I'm running behind schedule doesn't help,
00:50:27
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but it's something that, you know, it'll get done,
00:50:31
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- I think that's the right way to handle it,
00:50:33
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because other than this time gap, however long it is,
00:50:37
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13.0 and 13.1, those details are gonna be lost to time,
00:50:41
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right, if someone's reading this in six months or a year,
00:50:45
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- Then it doesn't really matter.
00:50:48
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- Which is probably gonna take them that long to read it,
00:50:52
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because it's not small.
00:50:55
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- That's true.
00:50:56
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And so I think the balance of sorting out 13.0 and 13.1,
00:51:01
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it's important, but I don't think it's something
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that you should totally destroy
00:51:08
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the next several weeks of your life over either.
00:51:11
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- Which is gonna happen anyway, but still.
00:51:13
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- True, sure.
00:51:15
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We know you.
00:51:15
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- Yeah, I mean, I just wanna warn listeners
00:51:21
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in that you may recall when I was younger and innocent two months ago, really, I thought that
00:51:29
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I thought that my review would be the shortest one I've ever made. Well, let me tell you,
00:51:36
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having two operating systems in the same review doesn't make it shorter, it makes it double
00:51:47
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what it usually is. Uh oh, this is news. Wait a second. What's happening? It happened that
00:51:58
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I thought, you know, there's so much overlap between iOS and iPadOS, I can write a small
00:52:05
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review, you know, I can make it smaller than in previous years, shorter, more compact.
00:52:13
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I'm happy that I think I was able to move away from the technical language and the technical
00:52:21
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jargon and all the API discussion as much as possible.
00:52:25
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There's very, very little API talk or framework talk in this review.
00:52:31
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It is very conversational.
00:52:33
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It's based on experience.
00:52:36
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It's on the same style of my "Beyond the Tablets" story from May.
00:52:41
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there are just so many changes in iOS 13 and iPadOS that I completely misunderstood the
00:52:52
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scope of the story. And this will be the most extensive, longest review I've ever done,
00:53:03
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by far. Oh, it's going to be the biggest thing I've ever done, really. It is, it is, it's,
00:53:14
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it's massive. But, and, and this is considering how the Mac stories team is helping me with
00:53:22
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all those stories that we've been publishing on Mac stories. We needed them because I will
00:53:27
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not be able to cover those features in my review. So, Sitecar, Maps, Sign-In with Apple,
00:53:34
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those features are not covered in the review. Still, it's the longest, you know, deepest,
00:53:42
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and I think hopefully best one that I've done to date, I'm really happy with what I'm doing
00:53:47
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so far, but it's a lot of work and I'm still writing some chapters. I'm very happy with
00:53:57
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the fact that I decided to save the shortcuts chapter for last. Imagine if I had to write
00:54:05
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the whole thing when automations were not available and I thought that 13.0 was gonna
00:54:11
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be the only version shipping. I'm gonna finish the shortcuts chapter this week and there's
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a, you know, at that point there will be the grab bag chapter and the conclusion left to
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do. So I'm shooting for middle of next week to finish writing everything. I'm
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already editing the review, of course, and I'm getting some excellent help from
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from Ryan, obviously, like every year. So I'm writing a day editing at night, but
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But the whole thing is just massive, and I switched text editors.
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Yesterday I moved from drafts to IA writer, because I need to speed up the process of
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collecting screenshots and including screenshots in the review.
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So I'm using the same method that I used back in May for the Beyond the Tablet story.
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There's gonna be of course, you know, fancy videos and animations.
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We're working on some, actually some visual changes for the review itself.
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New formatting tools, new elements.
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Because you just can't stop yourself, can you?
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You can't stop yourself from doing that every year.
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Every year you say "Nah, I'm not gonna do any of that" and then there you go, doing
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But I'm really, I'm pushing myself maybe a little too much right now.
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but also I don't want to complain too much because I love doing this. I am stressed.
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It's a weird, you know, I have a weird combination of feelings right now. I am incredibly stressed
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and tired, but I also love what I'm doing. So it's, you know, it's like I'm punishing
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myself, but I also love doing that with text. Not with anything else. So yeah, 13.1, big
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change. I will have to revise the things that I say in certain places. But I think it's
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doable. And I think it's the right call to include it. We'll see.
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All right, we're going to talk about Apple's changes to the Siri privacy framework. I don't
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Okay, we need to talk about a story we missed the first part of the story has been a couple
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of weeks since we've had a regular episode. But at the end of July, the Guardian reported
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that Apple was employing contractors to listen to audio samples from failed Siri interactions. So
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what was going on is Siri. Apple was recording Siri conversations, so it would have audio from
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individuals, including when Siri was falsely triggered. And contacts were listening to those
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and comparing them with computer generated transcripts to understand
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what was happening with Siri, why it was misfiring or why it was misunderstanding.
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Users were not alerted to this, it was on for everyone. Apple said data about the user's names,
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locations, Apple ID, etc. were not part of the review. But the Guardian, if you read that
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original article, people were listening some pretty, you know, private things. And it's not
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great. The company at the time commented that it was a very small random subset of these things,
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less than 1% of daily Siri activations were used for grading, typically only a few seconds long,
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we now know an Apple's press release today, which we're gonna talk about, it's actually
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point 2% of interaction. So a very small number. But if you think about how many times I can't
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even imagine how many times Siri must be activated today that that is a whole lot of audio being
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shared with contractors. And so this has kind of been in the news after this story came out,
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Apple said that it was pausing the Siri grading program until it could figure out what it needed
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to do. And today Apple is back with changes they say they're making to this program. And I think
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I think I'm going to run through these real quick and then we can kind of talk about what
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So first coming in a future software update, users will opt in to this program and the
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default will be that Apple no longer retains audio recordings of Siri interaction.
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So if you do nothing, after this future update, they didn't clarify what that would be if
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it'd be Catalina and I was 13.
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If we'll get a point update some point down the road, whatever it is after that update
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is out. If you do nothing, Apple will not keep audio recordings of your Siri interactions.
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However, you can opt in to them keeping those those audio train those audio files. However,
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Apple will continue to use computer generated transcripts to help Siri improve that cannot
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be opted out of if you use Siri. Those interactions could become computer generated transcripts
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for use later by the company. Apple has also moved this from a contractor service to in house
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employees that cost some 300 contractors their jobs in Ireland, which is not great. Maybe there
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was a way Apple could have hired some of those folks. Maybe they did, but still a lot of people
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out of work, which is never a good thing. But it's it's in house now. And this this is like a gateway
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to a bigger conversation I don't really want to have today. But Casey Newton of the Verge has been
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doing some really great reporting on Facebook, and how their content moderation team very often are
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made of a contractors and they're not employees, they don't get benefits. And that's a practice
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across Silicon Valley that is pretty gross. And I think I think everyone should change. But again,
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we're going to leave that today. So you're opting for audio recordings, computer generated transcripts
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will still be on for everybody. And the grading process will will be suspended until this update
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is out and users start to opt in. So they're not turning this back on the way it was, they're going
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to be using the the new system. So there's a bunch of links in the show notes about this the original
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reporting, a reporting today, Apple's press release a k base article about what Siri grading actually
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is because look, you know, we all know that all the voice assistants but maybe Siri in particular,
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it struggles sometimes and they're using this real world data to improve it. I understand that need,
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but I think Apple went too far in what they were doing to improve it. And I'm curious what you guys
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think about this. Myke, what about you? Well, I mean, they got caught with the table between
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their legs, like the original very, very original comment that Apple gave to the Guardian, they were
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kind of like, yeah, no worries, like, we're just gonna keep doing it. It's not a problem.
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and then it started to get kind of like a storm started to get kicked up really
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and then they have had to backtrack over this in multiple ways right like then they were giving
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additional statements then they said they were going to stop it and now they've basically
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apologized and they're going to change it they're doing the right thing like i have no you know like
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the the uh computer generated transcripts that is a bit better and i'm i'm intrigued to see how
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they're actually used right because like that's just like a thing where like okay but if all the
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text is gonna go is it any different um so i'm intrigued to see how they're gonna use that i
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find that to be peculiar that it can't be opted out of right that like yeah there's always gonna
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be some element of my speech sent to apple if i use siri i don't think that i have to give them
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that. I don't think that I need to be responsible for making their software better. I don't
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know why I as a customer or every single customer must give their information to make software
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better. That just seems like a strange thing to me. But this is at least better than what
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they were doing. Do you know, Stephen, how those computer-generated transcripts are used?
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Does it say if they're going to be given to people to look at?
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Yes, so the grading will continue with the opt-in audio if you decide to do that, but
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also these automatically generated transcripts.
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So they will go to now employees, not contractors, in the Siri grading process.
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And I feel the way you feel about this, like I don't love it.
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You know, the Guardian article, if you go and read it, you know, it says these interviewees
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that the Guardian had, so that people can listen to intimate moments in someone's house
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and that sort of thing.
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That sort of thing on a transcript is maybe less impactful, but I think that there should
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be a way for people to understand what actually is being sent.
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And I don't know how you do that.
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So from the knowledge base, it says computer-generated transcripts are used to improve Siri and its
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reliability.
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transcripts are used in machine learning training to improve Siri, determine common usage patterns
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and update language and understanding models. The transcripts may also be used to resolve
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critical problems that affect Siri reliability. By default, Apple will no longer retain audio,
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blah blah blah, computer generated transcripts of your audio requests may be used to improve.
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These transcriptions are associated with a random identifier, not your Apple ID, for
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up to 6 months. If you do not want transcripts of your Siri audio recordings to be retained,
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you can disable Siri and dictation in settings.
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Some of the basics of this are not changing, but they are making parts of it better, right?
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Like the fact that it's not going to be contracted, so maybe they can do more about the way that
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things will be shared.
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They're clarifying a little bit more about maybe loosening some of the ways that they
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were, some of the information they were assigning, because the Guardian story made it seem like
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they were assigning way more than just this random identifier.
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And it does, Apple's not being, you know, they're not saying what else they're keeping.
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But it is just like a, you know, if a machine is reading this information and it's getting
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better and then that's it, I'm fine with it.
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But there is still a part of me that's like, yeah, but like, do I have to be your test
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And I know how this stuff works, but it's still a little bit like, oh, so now I can't
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use Siri if I don't want to do that, which is still a strange thing.
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But they are at least tightening up a lot of the other problems that I had around this,
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Apple were really kind of defensive initially and they have now
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Done they have now made changes that are more in line with their typical stance around privacy
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Which the original case was that was not at all. Yeah, I mean Apple just blew this right like
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same thing caught between their tail between their legs like is is an understatement they they
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they say they get to this in their press release, but
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Apple says it has a certain standard and that this program
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didn't live up to that.
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And I think it's much closer to that now.
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But yeah, this bit about the transcripts, I think,
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deserves more explanation.
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And maybe even some examples from Apple of like,
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this is what these sorts of things look like.
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Because without that, it's just like up to our imagination
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what they're capturing, right?
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And then that, I think, is something
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they still need to tidy up a little bit.
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Federico, you live in a house full of HomePods.
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Has this made you reconsider your use of Siri,
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or are you still comfortable with it?
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- There's an answer that I would like to give,
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but it's not a good answer for a public podcast.
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I'm trying to frame it in a way
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that doesn't make me sound like an idiot.
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I know that I should, right, get upset about it,
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but it's just, I think Apple is doing the right thing here,
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And I think it was, you know, I don't know if it was a scandal or not, but I think I'm
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happy that they were called out on it, and I'm happy that they're making changes.
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I just didn't get upset about it, because I didn't have the time to get upset about
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It happened while I was on vacation, and I just...
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My gut reaction was, "Yeah, whatever, this will get fixed."
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I don't particularly worry about the fact that somebody listened to my queries because
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I know how I use my HomePods, right?
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I know that I use them to play music and save reminders and stuff like that.
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I don't send messages with Siri because my accent is terrible for sending messages with
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with Siri, it doesn't pick up most of the words correctly. Yeah, exactly. See, Siri
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just activated on my HomePod. Right, and that's the problem. For me, my problem was never
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sharing with Siri what I'm asking, like sharing of Apple what I'm asking Siri. It was how
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many times my HomePod is collecting information that I never knew it was collecting, because
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I didn't ask it. Right, right. And I get it, and I get it, and you're totally right.
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And I know that this is how any belief of privacy dies.
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It dies when people just stop caring about it.
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I'm just saying that in another period of the year,
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I would have gotten upset about it.
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I didn't because it was the summer.
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- It's okay to have priorities.
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Like it's perfectly fine.
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- And I just, no, I feel bad because I feel like
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there's an expectation when you're, you know,
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to some degree, a public figure figure commenting on technology. In this case,
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Apple, it is sort of your responsibility to do,
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we talked about this before,
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to have an opinion to have a stance on something that happens.
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But if you just ask me personally as Federico, did, were you concerned?
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I wasn't because I was on vacation and that is my completely honest answer.
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My professional answer is it was upsetting and I'm glad that Apple is fixing it.
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it seems like they're doing all they're supposed to do.
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Maybe they should be doing more.
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And I'm curious to see, you know,
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from a design standpoint,
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what the permission will actually look like.
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Will they be displayed during setup?
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Will they be communicated clearly?
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Just like today's press release,
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an FAQ is communicated very clearly.
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It's written in plain English.
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It reads like something that Steve Jobs would write.
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I remember how Steve Jobs used to communicate
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with those public open letters on apple.com,
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used to communicate things very clearly in plain English.
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And this letter, this apology is in that style.
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It's explained very concisely.
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So I think Apple is doing the right thing here.
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I want to see what it'll look like in settings,
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what it'll look like in setup.
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Will it be hidden so that most people
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will not find the option. I don't know. But personally speaking, I wasn't even on podcasts.
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I was on vacation. I didn't write about it on Mac stories. I wasn't particularly concerned
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because it happened at the wrongest time for me in the summer. But if it happened, say,
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in March, I would have been all over this. But sometimes you got priorities and sometimes
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Sometimes you're at the beach and you don't have time to worry about digital assistant
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privacy and that's my honest answer.
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All right, I think that does it for this week.
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If you want to find links to the stuff we talked about, they're on the web, relay.fm/connected/258
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or in your podcast app of choice.
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While you're at our website, you can do a couple of things.
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You can send us an email with feedback or follow up and then there's links also to our
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Twitter profiles.
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You can follow Myke on Twitter as @imyke.
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Myke is the host of many shows here on Relay FM, so you can go check those out.
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Federico who is back, he's on Twitter @evitici, the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net.
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The future home of the iOS 13 review.
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If you're bored this evening, go read the iOS 10 review.
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It's still out there.
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Go learn about iOS 10.
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You've really got to go far back there.
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12 would have been fine.
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I was wondering what was the first one?
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Yeah, go read the iOS 9 review and see how far we've come.
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You can follow me on Twitter as ism8 and I write at 512pixels.net.
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Until next time gentlemen, say goodbye.
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Arrivederci.
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Go to stjude.org/connected.
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Bye-bye. Adios.