261: You Handed Me a Watermelon 
   
   
 
 
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     Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 261. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's made possible this week by our sponsors, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ExpressVPN, Eero, and FreshBooks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined in person 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by Mr. Myke Curley. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - What's up? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I'm in Memphis again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - We're gonna talk about why in a minute. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But we are together in the studio, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we can give each other high fives, proof. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can't fake that in Logic later. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is hot outside, it is nice in here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And we are without Federico this week, which is sad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - He couldn't make it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - He said if I can't be there in person-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Don't wanna do it. - I don't wanna do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I kinda respect that. - Yep. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So he'll be back next week. - Yep. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - His iOS 13 review goes up tomorrow. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we're gonna talk a lot about that next week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's just in the final stages of getting that ready. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've been leafing through it and to no surprise, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's really good and really big. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just like Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's pretty tall. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - He's taller than you think he would be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It surprised me the first time we met. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Big, tall Italian boy, that's what we call him. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     We have some-- - Big, tall energy. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - So we have some follow-ups that we do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at the beginning of the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And let's start by talking about phones that we may or may not have ordered. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Products, not just phones, products, products. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't order any other products. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Even for, okay, all right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well that one thing's a surprise so don't ruin that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I ordered a iPhone 11 Pro, the smaller of the two. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was with Space Gray, after all the hands on videos and stuff, talked to me into Space 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     the camera bump will be less noticeable in the back. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - It just sounds like hope. - And all black. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - There's no reason why it would be better 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or worse in all black. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Well, black cameras floating on white glass seems icky. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - But then maybe that takes your attention away 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the bump and just to the lenses. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Whatever, I ordered a Space Gray for the first time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in a long time, excited about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And what, 256 gig on AT&T, so that's my phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Something that I don't think I'd noticed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     until the orders went up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I cannot believe that this phone starts at 64 gigabytes for $1,000. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Same as the 10 and 10s. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, it's ridiculous. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It should be at 128. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It just feels like at this point we should have moved on from this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I just think that it's kind of crazy that they're still doing that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because really this phone starts at $1,149. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It doesn't start at $999 because you shouldn't be spending $1,000 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and getting 64 gigabytes of storage. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, not if you're a pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, that's part of it, though, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I just mean like if you're spending that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you shouldn't be getting that cause you're not going to be happy with it. Right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it doesn't matter what Apple keeps doing to iOS to make iOS more space 
     
     
  
 
 
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     efficient. You will come up against a 64 gigabytes really fast. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like especially they keep making the cameras better, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which means they take more data. So all of your images are getting bigger. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     4k video is huge. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     4k video is supposed to be what you're watching on this thing cause you've got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your Dolby Atmos and your whatever it is. And it just feels like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It just feels silly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I know it's like, what's the point of even complaining about it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, because it's just like, it is what it is with them, with this stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I just think that I wouldn't be frustrated about the, uh, the 11 so much. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Starting there, but the pro should not be starting at 64 gigabytes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It just shouldn't, a thousand dollars should get you more than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     64 gigabytes of storage on a phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     What did you do? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So because I'm not I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can't I'm not gonna be in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The UK right on Friday because we're gonna be doing the podcast with on which we'll talk about in a bit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't order through the traditional channels, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I didn't place an order because I can't pick it up and I'm not at home to receive it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm working on trying to get one for when I get home the gold one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But we're still also trying to get one for the podcast of fun as well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I'll have mine at least and we'll see if we can get you one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're still trying we're still working on that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So but so that that will be a thing so we can unbox one on the on the actual stream 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm still trying to get one but otherwise I'm gonna pick him one up on Monday the 23rd 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I would pick one up then if I can't get it and that will be the gold 
     
     
  
 
 
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     256 okay the max the max and I also I have ordered a gold 256 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Regular for a dino to the pro the pro. Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I went through her like and I showed her all the stuff and was like you can choose right because you've got colors and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all that kind of stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     She wanted to have all the best camera stuff that she could possibly have her because that matters to her, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's the reason she wants to upgrade so she's on a 10 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And she's been jealous of the 10 our photos. I'm sorry that the 10 s photos for a bit. We'll talk about that later on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But now she wants to upgrade to get the better camera 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the pro is the best option for her as well because that's where the best camera lives. What is she using now a 10, okay? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     She was on SE for a long time right no she was gonna buy the SE 
     
     
  
 
 
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     She had a 5 for a long that's what I'm thinking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then she was gonna buy the SE 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But was so mad about the fact that it was super expensive and just looked like her current phone that she got a 6 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, and then no success I think initially for that success until the 10, okay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this is the the most the shortest upgrade cycle for her in a long time. Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Over on six colors Jason had this awesome interview about the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Ultra wideband you one chip that's in the new phone. So we spoke a little bit about this week 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's really not much information out there about this, but it is basically technology that allows 
     
     
  
 
 
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     devices to locate each other with like pinpoint accuracy and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple's using it for airdrop and we can all just assume that it's going to be part of any sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     device tracking system in the future 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But Jason landed this interview and it's a great read if you haven't seen this yet 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I definitely recommend it if you want to know more about this technology and what people think it could do in the future 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I'm really excited about this. I mean it seems like there's all sorts of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Things that this could do beyond just losing your keys 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think about it in like industry and like commercial settings. It seems really neat 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, he spoke to a marketing president a company that makes these ships 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not the company that's making the chips for Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but this is a company that is invested in ultra wideband technology and I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Of course the VP of marketing for an ultra wideband company is gonna be really excited about ultra wideband 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sure but he does liken it to when Apple put Wi-Fi chips in the max for the first 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time right like what Wi-Fi card inside and it's like that opened up so much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     possibility and they say that there is a lot of possibility here too and there is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean when you go through and look at some of the potential options even for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for technology it doesn't even exist yet like AR or whatever having these devices 
     
     
  
 
 
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     being able to talk to each other at a much closer rate is great and there's a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot of stuff that could be done for smart home you know like I thought about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the idea of, it's really nice to have NFC stickers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you can tap when you leave the office 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to set the Hue lights, but wouldn't it just be better 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if the devices all spoke to each other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I never had to do anything? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, 'cause right now, so much geofencing stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's not super accurate, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So for me, for my use case for my offices in my yard, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my backyard, a geofence, if I go in the house, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's not far enough. - No. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And so nothing can be automated based on location. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's also not precise enough technology 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my opinion that I'm willing to trust it greatly for the for like really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     important things but ultra wideband with it's like what like 10 centimeter range 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or whatever like I'm willing to trust that that's a good that's a good level 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of range for me so I'm excited about it but we'll have to wait and see if and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what Apple do with it but they have made their own chip again so they're probably 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna do something mm-hmm I want to point people also to Mac power users 
     
     
  
 
 
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     episode 500 a because 500 is a huge nice round number that's exciting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     congratulations thank you for this I interviewed my co-host David sparks we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were live at the max.conference back in July where the bulk of this episode 
     
     
  
 
 
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     takes place it's sort of a the middle the episode is from July the beating 
     
     
  
 
 
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     evidence from now kind of merged them together through the magic of editing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it was great to talk about to David about his work and how he ended up in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this but a lot of good listener questions. Just really happy with how it came out and we swore 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the MaxDock audience to secrecy about the interview because we recorded it six weeks ago and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they all kept their pledges so I don't think anything got out. Nothing got to the press. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's right. I think we are the press. Well, other press. Other press. Nothing got to upgrade. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's true. Nothing was leaked on upgrade. Nothing was leaked. Do you want to tell people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about our trip out west? We're kind of getting things ready for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     podcast of fun this week so we did a twitch stream 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a couple of days ago where we played Oregon Trail. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I played it for the first time and no spoilers but I'm the best Oregon Trail 
     
     
  
 
 
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     player of all time so we put that up on our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     youtube channel so you can go and watch that if you want to if you want to see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     me and Steven playing Oregon Trail and raising money 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for Saint-Duit at the same time. It was a lot of fun and we got a game of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Super Muncher summon at the end. Yeah I didn't like that one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Argan trial was fine, Super Munchers was boring, sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     You're just bad at picking out reptiles. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, sure, but it's boring. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So in two days we're going to be doing our podcast-a-thon. I'll let you talk about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the reason we're doing it is September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. We've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been talking about it. Our initial goal was to raise $75,000 for St. Jude, which is an institution 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here in Memphis that treats kids without regard for their family's ability to pay for that treatment. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what's cool is St. Jude's Reach is far beyond just Memphis. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It happens to be in my backyard, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but they, well not my backyard, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     down the street a little bit, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but they do treat kids from all over the country 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and all around the world, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then they share their research with organizations, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     including the World Health Organization, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all around the globe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So kids with cancer in all sorts of far distant places 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can benefit from the work happening right here in Tennessee, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is cool as a local guy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the thing that I really wanna point people towards 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is that they do this without charging the families. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if anyone's been through this with a loved one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or a friend, you know how expensive these treatments can be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And to have the best treatment 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the best research in the world, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and to have your travel paid for and your meals paid for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and anything you need while you're here paid for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lets you focus on the task at hand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of seeing your kid through this nightmare, honestly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And St. Jude does that, and as a recipient of that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for now 10 years with our son, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can tell you that there's no place on earth 
     
     
  
 
 
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     quite like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's why we're excited to do what we do each September. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We've blown past the $75,000 goal. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We are quickly approaching $150,000, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just twice our original goal. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and we moved the goalpost to 175 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because we are doing this show on Friday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You wanna talk a little bit about that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, so from four to 10 p.m. Eastern, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there is a link in the show notes to a Twitch event 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where you can see what the time will be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in your own time zone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're gonna be streaming live from St. Jude's campus 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for, yes, six hours, and we're gonna be doing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the first ever Relay FM Podcast-a-thon. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Me and Steven are gonna be there in person. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We have some great interviews with some important people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who will be coming in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And we also have a bunch of relay FM hosts as well, Skyping in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's going to be new Apple product days, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so there's going to be a lot of talk about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And there's going to be some games that we're going to play. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Jason Snell's put together a wonderful game, which may be familiar 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to some people who've listened to previous episodes of the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And we're going to be doing the best we can to try and raise money 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for St. Jude. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that is September 20th this Friday from 4 to 10 p.m. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Eastern time in America, which is a decent time for people to most over the world to catch at least some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which is why we chose this time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So please tune in for as much as you possibly can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And see all the fun things we're gonna do to try and convince you to give us more money. That's right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We are gonna host the video on YouTube when it's done. Yep, and we're gonna post the audio 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Some people have ashes for the the audio 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's gonna be a big mp3 just be prepared. Maybe it would be multiple ones 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We don't see hands the six-hour file may break everything. We'll find out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But that will be hosted in a new feed on relay FM. So if you get a relay FM 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Departures that is a feed we've set up just for our special event 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So right now the family feud is in there just to have something there for episode one. Yep 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:21
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     This is won't be a fee that's updated very often. But as we do wacky things over time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think any live show can go in there, you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like any live event that we do we can try and put in there if it makes sense 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Rather than living in disparate places because the live events tend to have multiple hosts them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, if it's that, you know, I think like the connected WWDC maybe not we'll see how it goes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But relay.fm/departures will be tweeting that link 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I hope to have that stuff up at some point over the weekend 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:48
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     That's gonna take a long time for that video to get where it needs to go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:53
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     But we'll definitely share those links in next week's show notes as well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, so if we love if you hung out on twitch live this Friday, but if you can't we understand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can check it out later. And of course you can donate at st. Jude org slash connected 
     
     
  
 
 
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     On to tiny topic number one. Mm-hmm, and it's an ironic tiny topic because this is a big topic. It's a 27 inch topic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mmm, Myke you are buying a new computer. Yeah, I think we've touched on this a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:22
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     But I have placed an order with a Apple business rep. I haven't paid for it yet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:27
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     But I will be paying for it very soon because I don't want them to ship it to me because I'm here and not home 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just like sitting outside your home. Probably a bad idea. I bought a 27 inch iMac Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hooray! Welcome to the club. Thank you. I got the 8 core 3.2 gigahertz 8 core Intel Xeon W processor 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which I don't know if you know can turbo boost up to 4.2 gigahertz. I'm aware. Yes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I got 64 gigabytes of RAM and a 2 terabyte SSD. They're the two things that I added to it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's the base CPU, double the RAM, double the SSD, the entry-level GPU. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I put entry-level in air quotes because it's a really good GPU. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:15:05
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     Although there are newer ones. So this is what I want to talk to you about. I think you're fine 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:09
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     buying this at this point. There's no rumor of an iMac Pro update. I don't think that there are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:13
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     Xeon's that could go into it yet. The Xeon's and the Mac Pro are different. There are GPUs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:18
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     they could put in an iMac Pro but honestly I've had an iMac Pro since the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:24
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     beginning of last year whenever it was basically new. I've got the stock based 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:29
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     model so half the RAM and half the storage you do and I can honestly tell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:33
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     you it's the best computer I've ever owned. So you said that I saw Marco say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:37
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     that. Jason loves his. Everybody I know that has one loves it. Sparky's got one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:41
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     Made it an easy choice. The specific reason that I'm doing it now is I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:48
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     want to run Catalina on my iMac so I'm buying it before that becomes a possible situation. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:57
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     Now of course they could and very are very likely to update it with something right like maybe it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:03
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     a new chip or whatever but I am running with basically no problems a 2015 iMac yeah I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:11
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     it was the first 5k I think you're right yeah I don't really need a ton more power the machine's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:16
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     four years old. But I wanted a bit more because it's getting slow in some places. It's gonna be a lot more power, man. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:21
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     You're gonna be surprised. I wanted more power and then I think I may have mentioned this in the past as well, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:26
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     then because a family member desperately needs a new computer. Okay. Which gave me the additional push to be like, alright, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:32
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     I'll just do it now. It's always nice when you can help somebody out. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're, I think you're safe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:36
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     even if they update it. It would be, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:38
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     you're still getting a really great computer. The updated Catalina thing is interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:42
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     We spoke about this, I think, off the show, but a couple things can happen here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:45
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     So the iMac Pro originally came with High Sierra and it may be that yours could run High Sierra, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:53
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     but Apple can't at any point silently revise the firmware or something on the machine and make it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:59
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     require something else. So I assume that your iMac Pro will come with Mojave on it out of the box 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:05
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     and say that Catalina comes out October 15th, a made-up date. I'm not leaking anything. It's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:11
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     It's made up date. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:12
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     It may be that you could still get Mojave 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:14
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     either out of the box or downgrade it well into the future, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:19
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     but to your point, that's not a guarantee. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:20
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     - And I don't wanna roll the dice on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't like to mess with things. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:17:25
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     - I am still on Mojave, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:28
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     - You're on High Sierra, you mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:29
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     - I'm on High Sierra, I don't know which one I'm on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:30
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     - Mojave's the current one, you're one back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:33
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     - I'm one back, I'm on High Sierra. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:34
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     I'm on High Sierra, I haven't upgraded to Mojave. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:37
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     Wait, when did they add Dark Mode? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:17:40
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     Mojave I had to upgrade for some reason okay there was something that was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:43
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     stopping you yeah but Catalina is not going to be ready on day one for no I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:48
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     upgraded to Mojave not on day one yeah you did it pretty recently oh you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:53
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     what maybe I am maybe I'm thinking about my Mac Mini of being on Mojave I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:57
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     my my iMac is on High Sierra I spoke out on yet I'm thinking about because I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:03
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     thinking I've tried out dark mode but I tried out on my Mac on your little home 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:06
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     server there because that's what that shipped with so I I want to stay behind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:10
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     I especially want to stay behind in Catalina because it's a it's a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:15
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     change it's a lot of change and it seems like it is just introducing more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:20
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     problems the reason that I like to stay a step behind is because my machine my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:25
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     Mac is not for fun right right like it's a tool I don't use it like I use my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:30
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     other devices where like I want to be in the latest and greatest to have all the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:33
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     on features, I want a completely stable environment. Nothing to change. That's what I want because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:40
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     if something messes up and I lose a day trying to fix it, I don't want that. Like that is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:46
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     a day's time that I've lost, which is valuable and I don't really have that to spare to frustrating 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:52
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     computer problems. So that's why I'm pulling the trigger at a time where I would not recommend 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:58
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     other people do that. Right? Like if you are buying a new computer, especially a new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:03
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     professional Macintosh wait a month this is a terrible time to buy one so that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:07
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     what I want to ask you so you have spoken in the past about an interest in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:10
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     ►  
     the Mac Pro yeah what changed what's pushing you into the iMac Pro price that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:14
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     it I just I can it's a big reason it's super expensive well we don't know yet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:20
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     but we assume well the base model is a thousand dollars more than the iMac Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:24
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     yeah with a worse GPU a quarter of the storage and no display yeah it's like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:30
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     I don't know how much it would end up costing me, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:33
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     but the price that it will be, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:35
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     I know from what I can already see, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is more than I am willing to spend 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:41
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     when the iMac Pro is sitting there for five grand. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:44
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     - The iMac Pro is an expensive computer, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:46
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     there's no way around it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:47
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     But a funny thing has happened 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:49
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     where the Mac Pro has made the iMac Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:51
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     look like a pretty good deal 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:52
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     if you're shopping at the high end. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:53
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     - Because I would have to spec it up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:55
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     Like, I mean, how much is it really gonna cost me, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:58
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     Like, I'm gonna do it to configure it like everyone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:00
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     to get 64 gigabytes of RAM and a two terabyte SSD. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:03
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     - To match the iMac Pro you bought, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:05
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     the Mac Pro will be significantly more, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:07
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     ►  
     and that's without a display. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:08
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     So if you go buy the LG one, you're adding what, two grand? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:11
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     If you buy the Apple's, you're adding seven? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:13
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     - For the work that I'm doing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:14
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     I can't imagine that the increase in the processor 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:17
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     ►  
     from the iMac to the Mac Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:18
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     is really gonna give me that much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:20
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     And it's gonna be in the fact that yes, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:22
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     I have a good eight core processor 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:24
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     and really good fast RAM. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:26
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     Does it have the same, is the Mac Pro's RAM better? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:29
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     Is it faster? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:30
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     It is, isn't it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:31
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     I think it is faster. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:33
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     They both use EEC memory? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:35
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     I don't remember. Yeah, EEC memory. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:36
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     But I believe the Mac Pro uses faster memory. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:41
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     But honestly, for what you do, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:45
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     I think the biggest difference is you don't need 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:47
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     ►  
     something like the afterburner card 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:49
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     ►  
     to accelerate 8K video. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:50
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     'Cause I don't do anything video-wise anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:52
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     Right, and so if you're doing what we do, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:54
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     audio or even like, I do some 4K work, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:57
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     ►  
     and the iMac Pro, the base iMac Pro that I have, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:01
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     ►  
     is still plenty fast. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:02
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     I think for you and I needs, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:05
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     the iMac Pro is a better machine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That doesn't mean I'm not tempted by the Mac Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that doesn't mean there won't be one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     under my desk at some point, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but the iMac Pro is a great machine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh no, it runs the same, the DDR4 ECC memory, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like 2666 megahertz. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - So it runs like I'm looking at mine, it's the same. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I mean the iMac Pros for people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who need add-on cards or who just need as much GPU power as you can get. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For me, the Mac Pro thing was always like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what could I get that would be useful to me, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And what Apple have decided to build. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, we spoke about this at length at this point, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it is outside of my requirements. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was wondering, like, will this thing start cheaper 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and have standard parts that I can upgrade? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the answer to both of those things is pretty much no. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We know it's not starting cheaper. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And when I'm talking about like standard, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like can I take the graphics card from my PC 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and put it in this thing? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, I cannot do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right, like it's not gonna be as simple as that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right, and that's what I was kind of hoping for. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, well I mean if you have, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if you're using AMD cards it is, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:14
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     but the Nvidia support's pretty bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:16
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     - Yeah, I'm using Nvidia card. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But that's what I'm saying, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But like then I, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it needs to go in those special enclosures that they have, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:22
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     right, is that right for graphics cards? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:23
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     - No, no. - You can just put them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:24
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     put a straight PCI card in it. The enclosures they have are bridging two GPUs into one. So you can put 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:31
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     like, so say like the Radeon 7 card, which is a GPU Apple could use in the iMac Pro at some point, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:38
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     I assume. You could buy that and put it in a Mac Pro because the AMD drivers are all part of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:46
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     Mac OS. Apple's cards are just beefier than what you can get off the shelf easily. But to your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:53
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     point it's not just an open PC either right there is there are unusual things about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:57
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     I didn't think they would build that but I wanted to see how far they would go and I think for me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:01
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     it's maybe not not far enough like I in a weird way even though the iMac is completely closed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:08
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     I feel kind of more confident in the iMac's ability to be a running computer that's going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:12
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     to last forever and be good than the Mac Pro which we have no idea the potential pitfalls 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:18
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     they have designed themselves into yet we just don't know that the iMac Pro at this point is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:22
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     known element is a known quantity we do not know what the Mac Pro is gonna how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:27
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     ►  
     it's gonna ship right like what is it gonna be like when it ships because in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:30
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     theory there shouldn't have been a problem with the last one but then I got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:34
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     one sitting over there a little trash can and what that is really good for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:38
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     actually is for picking names out of little pieces that's the best thing it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:41
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     does so you're looking at an iMac Pro you're probably gonna pull the trigger 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:45
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     soon what about the galaxy fold well this is the most expensive month of your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:51
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     ►  
     life. I don't want to talk about it. Why is everything so difficult? So the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:55
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     ►  
     Galaxy Fold goes on sale in the UK today, right? So I go to their website and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:00
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     click where to buy, right? So you can choose where to buy. And I have some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:06
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     ►  
     options. I have EE, which is a carrier, which is my carrier. Okay, like a carrier 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:11
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     store, like go buy from them. And when I click on that, all I'm given is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:14
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     ►  
     option to buy it on a pay monthly plan, right? You want me on a plan. Two year 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:19
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     ►  
     plans starting at kind of around a hundred pounds a month. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:22
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     Very expensive for a phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:24
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     But all these plans these days lump in the price of the phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:28
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     Like you. Right. Right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:29
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     This is like so the recommended plan is one hundred and nineteen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:32
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     pounds a month. You pay fifty pounds for the phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:35
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     Now remember this is like a close to I don't even remember what the final 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:38
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     ►  
     price is, but like a two thousand pound phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:40
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     Right. It's really expensive. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:41
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     And it's 5G, 120 gigabytes of data. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:44
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     It's a great plan. Right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:46
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     Because this is a 5G phone as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:48
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     ►  
     How's 5G coverage in the UK? Here it's like you have to be on the right street 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:52
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     ►  
     corner. In London, I mean I haven't tested it but you can get good speeds in London 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:57
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     ►  
     but it is a similar thing right where it's like you've got to be in the right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:01
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     ►  
     place at the right time but I do live in London so I'm in a city where it's being 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:04
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     ►  
     built out. So that's one option. I don't particularly want to do that. I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:11
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     ►  
     want to lock myself into a two-year plan for this phone, ideally. Even though 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:15
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     like you know I've run the numbers it probably wouldn't end up being that much 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:18
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     ►  
     more expensive but it will be a bit more expensive right so then I'm like all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:24
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     ►  
     right let me just buy it from Samsung okay let me ask you a question this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:28
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     ►  
     Samsung's phone do you think you can buy on Samsung's website I would think so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:32
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     ►  
     you cannot do that my other options are experience it in store and I have two 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:38
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     ►  
     options I have Samsung KX there's what it says join all the Samsung KX is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:44
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     ►  
     It sounds like a cereal. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:45
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     It is a, it's not a shop is what their website says. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:50
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     ►  
     It is an event space. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:52
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So I can buy an event space which is nice I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:56
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     ►  
     Or I can receive a hand on experience of the galaxy fold and unfold the future apparently 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:01
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     ►  
     so that's good to know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:02
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     Someone like helps you unfold it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:04
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     But I don't know if I'm just touching it or can I buy it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:08
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     It doesn't tell me if I'm able to actually buy it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:11
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     ►  
     I can just look at it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:13
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     ►  
     you can click on the Samsung store, right? Samsung Experience stores. And I just found 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:20
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     that their locations can't buy it. And then also is available at Harrods and Selfridges 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:25
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     to luxury, extreme luxury department stores. They've been very specific with this. I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:32
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     ►  
     know why I can buy it online on EE's website, but can't buy it on Samsung's website. If 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:38
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     ►  
     you're buying it through Samsung, they want you to go to a place. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:41
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     so that you don't peel the screen off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:43
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I guess that's part of it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:45
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     But if that's the case, let me buy it on, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     if I can buy it on the E's website 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:50
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and they'll just ship it to my house, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:52
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     let me buy it on your website 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:53
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     'cause I don't wanna be on a plan with, so. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I get the sense that Samsung is selling it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:58
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     begrudgingly at this point 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:59
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     because there were pre-orders in the US, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:01
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     ►  
     they gave everybody their money back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:03
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     They're not here in the US yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and this phone has a curse or something above it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:11
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     that seems like it's gonna follow it forever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:15
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So maybe they are quote selling it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     but actually buying it is extremely difficult 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:19
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     'cause they don't want to have it on the market. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - They don't wanna make it easy, I think, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:24
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     for people to buy this phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:25
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I would love to know if I can book a time at this store 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:29
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and go and get one, this experience store, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:32
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     ►  
     but nothing claims this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:34
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     ►  
     it's just like, oh, come and look at it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:37
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It's like, well then what do I do? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:27:40
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Well, keep us updated. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:42
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Yeah, I mean, I'm probably just gonna try and buy one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:47
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So when I go back home, and if I am gonna go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:50
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     to the Apple store to get an iPhone, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:53
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I will be surrounded by, I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I'm in the center of London, and there is a Samsung store, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:00
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and there's a Selfridges, and I could go to Harrods. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:03
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So my plan is to attack these places 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     until one of them will let me give an incredible amount 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:09
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     of money to buy this phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:11
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Because I know connected listeners are dying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:14
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     for my review of the Samsung Galaxy Fold at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:28:19
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     ►  
     - I know they are. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:20
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     ►  
     They better be. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I'm still very excited about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:23
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I will fight against anything Samsung has put in my way, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:26
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     ►  
     which so far has been a lot, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:28
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     to try and just plead them to take my money 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:32
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     to give me their fundamentally flawed phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:35
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     - Good luck with that. - Thank you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is new product week and here on Wednesday, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:14
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     the embargoes have been lifted on the iPhones 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:16
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     ►  
     and the Apple watches. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it seems like the camera improvements are the thing that have grabbed people's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ►  
     attention this year on the phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, as always, it's always camera improvements, right? Like that's, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ►  
     it's always going to make the headlines because that's what Apple are doing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every year. That's what you can always count on, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that the camera's going to get better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But this feels like one of those years where they've gone and done something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wild and it's more than the fact that they added another lens, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like they seem to have done a lot more from the software processing side to make their images look better and 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Dying to try out this camera 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because it looks legit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean the battery is also making a lot of headlines too because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They've made huge jumps in battery levels, especially on the pro right like adding four or five hours of battery life to your phone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's wild is is bonkers like that's unprecedented from apple it is and it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's a promise they can't walk back so i've been thinking about this in terms of 5g 
     
     
  
 
 
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     coming in the future right now you get a 5g phone like your beloved and the battery life's miserable 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and all huh just like it was with lte back in the day remember android phones first got big when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lte came out because they'd have bigger batteries the iphone used to have text in in the settings 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it will have it again right you could enable it but it said it will reduce your battery life 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do you remember that i don't but i believe it it used you could you could choose and it's like you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can stand 3g or you can go on 4g which will get you faster speeds but reduce the battery life of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your phone but they can't walk back four to five hours no the phone still has to have it right right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and so that's an interesting dynamic that may come up in the future 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Gruber and his review was talking a lot about 3d touch going away and that hardware going away 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that maybe opening the door to a bigger battery. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And clearly there's some element to the new processor, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because even the 10R to the 11 gained an hour. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It does have a bigger battery. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it has a bigger battery. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And getting rid of the 3D Touch, the sensors which 
     
     
  
 
 
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     added depth to the display, and the phones 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are slightly thicker and slightly heavier, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it seems like Apple, that was a big deal for them this year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think it's great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're gonna talk about sort of our experience with the XS. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I tell you, the battery life on the regular XS 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is not very good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm excited for the 11 Pro to have a big bump there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the cameras, I'm with you, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm really excited to try them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The more examples I've seen of people posting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the ultra wide, I think there's a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     creative things we can do with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I see now why the 11 has that and not the telephoto. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Even though-- - It's more fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like the telephoto and I find it really useful. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the ultrawide is more fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think people have a better time with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And man, the night mode photos look really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Jason had-- - Yeah, just before, sorry, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just before we do move on to the camera stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just, I saw this link yesterday and went to bring it up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     MacRumors got some filings 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the Chinese regulatory agency, Tenor. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The batteries are 25% larger. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     the the 11 Pro Max has effectively a 4000 milliamp power battery which the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     XS Max had a 3000 milliamp power battery. So a big jump. So they're huge. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yes the phone's got thicker which allowed for it but I would expect 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that Gruber is right that removing the 3D Touch also allowed for that. It 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably wasn't why they removed 3D Touch but when they were doing the pros 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and cons of removing it I'm sure this was on the list. I mean as soon as the XR came out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with haptic touch which is a long press instead of the deep force touch 3d force 
     
     
  
 
 
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     touch deep press. That's the full name. I think the writing was on the wall. Yes I agree with you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the only thing that has 3d touch now is the track pads on the max and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple watch and even in watch OS 5 and I haven't run watch OS 6 but even in watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     OS 5 the importance of 3d touch has been diminished and you could see where they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     could get rid of it there as well in the future. Yep. Because again, more battery 
     
     
  
 
 
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     life than the Apple Watch. It's always a good thing. Yep. But so yeah, so the night 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mode, Jason posted this picture last night or today, just outside and you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's been lots of examples of this but the what caught me in his example, so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's of a car in his neighborhood and like a driveway that's lit and in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     night mode photo you can see like the stars in the sky, which blows my mind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mind that's possible on a camera that goes in your pocket. Yeah and as well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like in John Gruber's review some of his photos of inside of a dimly lit bar were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     amazing like the fact that you could see like he was posting this is what it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     looks like on a like a XS and this is what it looks like on the 11 Pro with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     night mode is I'm really excited for the night mode stuff I'm very very pleased 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that are adding it because the phone needs it after seeing what Google would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do. So I'm really excited to see that they're doing it at what looks like to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be a very very high level too. Yeah I think Apple has probably recaptured the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     best smartphone camera for most people. We'll see what the Pixel 4 does. It's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna be out next month. A lot of people are saying right like this is now the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:54
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     phone to beat and the iPhone has not been the phone to beat for a while. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the pixel 2. and it you right like so Google's event is in a couple of weeks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time actually about a month's time it's like October 14th or something like that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is hilarious considering the fact that we know basically everything about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this. and if I were to put money down that's also the week of Apple's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     October event. yeah if they're gonna do one they'll probably do it that week oh 
     
     
  
 
 
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     man can you imagine if they did it on the same day. I'm gonna be on vacation it's gonna be great. oh great 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:25
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     everybody's on vacation but that's fine we'll still be here for you don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     worry so I'm I'm I'm very intrigued to see what exactly Google will be doing on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the camera side because Apple have really come out swinging this time it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     exciting I want them to be competitive with the camera because there have been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     times where I've been in situations and I own a pixel 3a as like I wish I had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the other phone with me. I don't like that feeling and so I think they've really stepped 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I like something that John Gruber wrote, like a quote from his article, because one of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things about these new lenses, especially when you're in camera mode, but there's also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in video mode when you're not shooting in 4K at 60 frames a second, you can change between 
     
     
  
 
 
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     any of the lenses and it happens smoothly. So you can either zoom with the little zoom 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:18
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     wheel or you can like hit the buttons and it will zoom. Now with this current telephoto 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:23
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     it would always like snap, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But now it does a zoom into these things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And what Gruber says is, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what's essential to understand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:31
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     is that you don't need to know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that the iPhone 11 camera systems 
     
     
  
 
 
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     consist of two or three discrete cameras. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     From the user's perspective, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they look and feel like a single camera 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with multiple zoom levels, which is awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I love the thought of that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:43
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     Like I bet that's gonna feel much nicer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as a way to control that stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And Apple talked a lot about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how they are much closer in quality. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The ultra wide though doesn't have any focus pixels 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and is not quite as fast of an aperture. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And it can't be stabilized in video. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:00
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     - But, and they'll get there, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:02
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     but it does seem like they have done more work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than in the past to make the cameras more similar. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:38:09
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     - 'Cause like if on the 10 or the 10S, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:12
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     when you stepped up to the telephoto, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:14
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     it was markedly worse and that was always disappointing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:18
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     and it seems like this year they've done some work 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:20
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     to help mitigate that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:21
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     And also, you can now take portrait photos from the regular camera, not just the telephoto 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:28
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     camera and it uses the like the ultra wide as the way to help balance that ground stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm excited about that because you don't have to be so close, the camera is better, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:38
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     it can let more light in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:40
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     And the examples that I've seen of people that are taking photos with this setup, so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:46
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     from the regular camera in portrait mode, the portrait shots look a lot better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's going to be awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anything else on the phones that you're excited about? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:54
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     Well, not excited, but something that I think is worth noting is that 13 seems super buggy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:01
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     on the new phones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:03
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     All the reviews that I've read comment on this, and Apple's comment is, "Wait for iOS 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:08
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     13.1," basically. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:09
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     So we're going to have 10 buggy days. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:12
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     I'm going to just put the 13 with beta on it and then migrate and not even worry with 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:39:18
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     I'm not going to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:19
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     I'm still not running 13 on my iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:21
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     - I'm already on the beta, so I'm just gonna do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:24
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     - I will be the sacrificial lamb 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:26
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     and let you know what 13 is like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:28
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     - Okay, I think that does raise a question for our listeners. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:32
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     If you're not upgrading your phone this year 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:34
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     and you're on 12, do you update to 13 tomorrow 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:37
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     when it comes out, or do you wait a week for 13.1? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:40
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     - I mean, I wouldn't wait, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because there's gonna be apps with, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:44
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     I mean, all the apps are gonna start popping out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:46
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     Everyone's gonna be talking about 13. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, I wouldn't wait. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I wouldn't be able to wait. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, see, I would say go for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     - Like I'm gonna be upgrading mine-- 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:39:56
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     - Tomorrow, I'm just gonna do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:57
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     - Yeah, I agree with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:59
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     I would say go ahead and do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:00
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     And if something is bad, it's only for a couple days. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:03
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     But even buggy doesn't mean that you're gonna have apps 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that are crashing and stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:08
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     I mean, the betas have gotten a lot better recently. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:12
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     And it seems like, you know, some messages freezing and stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:14
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     - I will give it a couple of hours though. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I never update immediately because of all the years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:20
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     they did pull, they have pulled an update before. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:23
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     Multiple times this has happened. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, it's usually the watch that has the most problems, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:27
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     but I'll give it a little bit, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:28
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     make sure that people's phones are actually updating, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:31
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     and then I will be upgrading my phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:33
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     - Just maybe like tomorrow night. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:35
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     - That's good advice, good consumer advice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:38
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     - Just keep your eye on Twitter for a couple of hours 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:39
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     and then do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:40
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     There's just been too many instances of updates, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:45
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     brick and funds or whatever I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:47
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     But also Apple Watch reviews are out as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:52
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     Series five. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:53
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     There are less of these as you would imagine, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:56
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     Like there's less reviews, but. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:58
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     The basic consensus that the always on is a nice addition. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:03
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     I'll read another quote from John Gruber's review. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:05
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     To me, the always on display is the Apple Watch is right in the display moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:09
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     Once you see it, you can't go back and I totally can get that right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:12
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     Like it takes it from and I've made this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:15
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     I have a discomplaint many times on the show, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:17
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     Like it takes it from being just like a computer watch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:20
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     to a regular watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:20
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     You need to be able to see the time on your watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's the reason you wear a watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from a fundamental level. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's like if your iPhone couldn't make phone calls. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You need it to make phone calls. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Every once in a while. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Because at a fundamental level, it is a telephone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is a communications device. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you need to be able to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm pleased that now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that the watch being able to show you the time is significantly more important than your phone being able to make calls but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Nevertheless, I'm pleased that it's there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Battery life is still apparently really great indeed a bones review on the verge. He says it meets the 18-hour claim 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the series 4 exceeded that yeah, so battery life is still doing what it should be doing, but it isn't as good anymore 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, that I think is fair the series for battery life is bonkers. We're definitely above the 18 hours Apple claims 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that's fine. I think most people gonna still charge it at night 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like that's the default for almost everybody unless you sleep track. So I think even 18 hours is totally fine 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what is interesting to me in these reviews is 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     The really the lack of conversation about the new finishes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Seems like the reviewers that I saw got the aluminum ones, which is again is what most people are gonna buy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I am definitely shouldn't be seen in the reviews at the addition models. They shouldn't be doing that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I disagree because I think people want to see them. There's some people should get them but who dinky should get those 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sure or MKBHC like or give somebody an aluminum and a steel like there should be more coverage of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The higher-end ones and if you're an Apple watch person and you're interested in the stainless steel or titanium 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Odinkie's not a website you're gonna go to like it's a what's that you go to because you like watches 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think people who so I've just gone Odinkie's review titanium. Is it? Yeah, so put down the show notes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I have a couple like regular watches I would have I know but I would have gone there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I was traveling yesterday 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I didn't get the opportunity to find as much stuff as I would have wanted to but yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They reviewed the the titanium one. I'm gonna read through this later, but I think I think having more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     visibility of those other finishes would be nice especially with a new one because people people are interested in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The differences it's like for me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If I were to buy a series 5 I would I would have thought I'd go back to steel because I just don't like the aluminum 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the titanium cuts the weight down, but I really want to see how it looks in person 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yep, like these pictures look nice, but I want to see it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Handled I want to see it in video. I want to see it more and 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You know something that you can't really do without going into a store if they don't see the review units 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I mean some minor complaint about how they've done this, but I think there should be more visibility of those 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Watch it was six is interesting to me, too. I've not run watch it was six 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've never run a watch it was beta because it seems like a bad track 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I am excited about the new watch faces the California watch face seems extremely customizable 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like how what I've seen of it so far 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That would probably be the watch face that I run. Yeah, if I was to have one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm excited about the hearing protection the hearing health stuff is really useful for you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is useful for me as someone who does audio stuff was you have a hearing issue. I have a slight hearing issue 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it is one of those things though compared to the other health stuff where like a lot of the time you're like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     alright, well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like again going to Dita bones video, which is a very his Apple watch video is very good 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah he shows himself on his commute mm-hmm and he's exceeding the noise levels on the subway on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the subway so he's like well now what then yeah like do i walk around with the earplugs in all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the time like yes you can do that but like as opposed to some of apple's other health tracking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:10
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     stuff this is one where it's like i'm pleased to know this but like yeah well sometimes knowing is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     enough or if you have some hearing loss and you don't want to get worse me uh then that's something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I am interested in and I think we told the story on the show but you would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:28
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     tell the story about Casey coming in with the beta? I think I did like so so I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:31
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     was in a hotel room in WWDC with a few friends and Underscore was there and he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:36
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     was running the beta on his watch and Casey came up to the room and as soon as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:39
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     he came in and said hello to everybody the just Casey's level of excitement as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     he is because he's a wonderful person him just saying hello to everyone excitedly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:48
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     Set off underscores watch to say that the noise levels were now basically unacceptable safe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:53
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     Yeah, and it was the best story. It's the best story 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm so pleased I was there to experience that perfect because it's the best Casey moments 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Perfect the other big health thing in watch over six is cycle tracking. Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:05
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     I was watching this with Adina this morning and she turned like so she was sitting next when I was watching it and they started 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Talking about it and she looked over and was like, okay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I was talking to her about it a little bit because I don't know enough about this stuff, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But she was, you know, she uses an app called Clue, which I recommended to her because I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:24
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     saw somebody talking about the design of it years ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:28
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     And she was saying that like knowing this information is incredibly important because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:33
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     you go and see a doctor and they're like, when was your last period? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:36
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     I was like, well, how the hell am I supposed to know this if you're not recording it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:40
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     So Apple doing, so she is intrigued and I want to get her opinion on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was like, well, cause it's also on the phone too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:48
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     I'm like, it's not just an Apple watch, uh, thing. So I, so she's gonna, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:52
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     she's gonna let me know how it goes for her. Cause it's, you know, it's, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:55
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     it's something that you have to be aware of and this device, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:00
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     which is strapped to you all the time, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:01
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     which should be recognizing your health changes, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:04
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     it should have these things in it as well. You know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:07
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     they should have really did this before they did the breathing app. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:47:11
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     it is embarrassing for Apple that took them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:15
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     six revisions of the software to add this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:17
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     It should have been here much earlier. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:19
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     - It was nice to have her insight about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Adina is the head of my wife who uses emojis 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on her calendar for various stages of things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Look, as long as you have a system. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - She knows. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:28
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     - That's so good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:30
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     - Yeah, sometimes I like going to the counter like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh, there's a frowny face. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, so watchOS 6, I think it's gonna be a nice update. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:38
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     It is available for series three and four currently. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:43
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     It will run on series one and two. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:45
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     - But not zero. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:46
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     - But yeah, zero, it didn't even get watch, it was five. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Zero's been dead for a while. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:50
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     But series one and two will get the update soon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:55
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     So they have committed to doing it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:57
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     I'd imagine that's a performance issue, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:58
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     Like it's just not doing what they want it to do yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:01
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     So, and I would say from like a buying perspective, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:05
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     if you're on a series one or two, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:07
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     Now's a pretty good time to upgrade if you're looking for a new Apple Watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:11
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     The Series 4 is great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:14
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     I really like mine, even though I don't wear it every day. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:16
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     It's a fantastic piece of hardware. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:17
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     The Series 5 makes all the best things about it better. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:20
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     So if you're on an older Apple Watch and you're considering 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:24
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     is this the time to update or not? I would say that it probably is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:26
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     Yep. And I want to see what the finishes look like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:32
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     Yes. And we're going to go see him in store on Friday. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:35
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     Do you think they'll have them? They should do, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:37
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     ►  
     they'll be out. Alright we're gonna talk some more about Apple stuff. Oh really? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:44
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     ►  
     Yeah we're gonna branch out this week. All Apple all the time on this show. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:49
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     It's a special very special episode. We talked about Samsung for a while. Yeah that's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:53
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     But I want to tell you about our second sponsor first and that is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Eero. Myke if you look under my desk there's an Eero base unit right down 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there. There it is. I'm connected to it right now. Eero is a game changer because it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - My house is way over there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're out here, Ira's working. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because there's always that one room 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with an unreliable wifi connection. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't wanna say how I know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:20
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     but our hall bathroom used to be that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If they were taking a bath 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:24
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     and you wanna watch some Netflix, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:25
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     they'd wanna stream, it would buffer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:26
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     And that was a real bummer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:28
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     - That is unacceptable. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:29
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     - Yeah, you don't want buffering in the bathtub, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:31
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     and Ira fixed it for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Don't have a buffer in the bathtub. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That was my previous bad Wi-Fi experience, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and now it is reliable. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If I wanna take a bath and I wanna catch up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on something on Netflix, now my iPad works perfectly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because Eero blankets my home in fast, reliable Wi-Fi, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:50
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     so there's constant strong signal wherever we need it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it sets up in just minutes, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you plug it straight into the modem or the router box, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:56
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     you download their app on your phone or iPad, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you just need a simple setup, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     super easy to do with Eero. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but they also give you a lot of tools. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:05
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     Like we're nerds, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:05
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     We want to tinker with our networks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:07
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     Era gives you those tools as well, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:08
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     all right within the app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:10
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     And you can do cool stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:11
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     Like you can pause wifi while everyone's eating dinner. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:14
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     So your kids aren't, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:15
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     I don't know what do kids do on their phones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:17
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     Whatever kids do on their phones, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:18
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     they can't do that at the dinner table. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:19
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     - You know, messing around. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Or your spouse. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - And you get alerts if any device tries 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to join your network. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Era has fixed all of the wifi problems. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Our thanks to Eero for their support of this show 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and Relay FM. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:01
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I thought we could talk about the devices we've had the last year and how we have felt 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:51:08
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So we're borrowing from ATP. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:10
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     ►  
     They I think Marco created the idea of the iPhone X interview. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:13
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     ►  
     Yeah, we're just doing that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:14
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     ►  
     A couple years ago, we're just stealing from them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:16
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     So we're going to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:17
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     We're just doing that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:51:19
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     My past year was a journey. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     If listeners will remember, I started with the XS Max. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:24
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     So I was a plus phone user. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:26
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     You got me into the plus club back in the day. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so when there was a bigger iPhone 10, I was like, "Hey, yeah, let's do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Let's go big." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or go home, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:35
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     Go big or go home. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And honestly, the Macs didn't sit super well with me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     A little too big for what I wanted. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I ended up with the iPhone XR, really to review it because it was the most popular 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I think you did that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:51
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     I had a blue one and then ended up at the end of the day selling my Macs to a family 
     
     
  
 
 
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     member and ending up with the iPhone XS. This is all by like mid-January. So I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:01
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     been on the XS for this year and I like the size a lot. Like I said earlier, the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:07
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     battery life on the XS isn't as good as it could be. I think the X suffer from that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     too a little bit. The Max is about the same as the X. Old phones by the time you're ready. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:17
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     I'm saying even my phone's only nine months old so it's not my battery health 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:21
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     is still like 99%. So it's not that it's aging, it's that even from the beginning 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:26
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     it wasn't as good as the Max and definitely not as good as the XR and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm excited about the four additional hours I will get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:32
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     But other thing that I haven't been in love with is the smart HDR in Federico and I have both spoken about this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:38
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     I have it off on my phone because the smart HDR on the XS 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:41
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     Works too hard. It does it tries to bring up shadows too aggressively. It smooths 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Things way too much because it's it's noisier than I'd like it to be and it tries to overcompensate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:51
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     The XR takes good pictures 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:54
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     But I haven't been there there haven't been many pictures I've taken with it where I thought I'm in love with this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     straight off the camera and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm hopeful the 11 Pro will be able to fix that for me because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:07
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     So far at least and what people have said the 11 Pro seems awesome from the camera perspective 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:12
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     So those are my two downsides, but I've got to say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:16
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     Even with those being true the XS has been a really good phone. Like I've been happy with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:23
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     its performance in particular, it is never slow, you know, Apple has so much 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:29
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     headroom on these processors now it's just it's just bonkers and I've been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:33
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     happy with the the iPhone X as a concept from the beginning. I've liked the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:38
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     gestures and everything they've been doing even though control center is in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:40
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     the wrong place. I feel like this path is a good one and while the XS had some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:45
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     flaws, still a solid three and a half to four stars out of five for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:51
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     It's an exit interview with a star rating. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:54
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     I don't think that's how that... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:55
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     I haven't had a job in a while. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:56
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     I don't remember. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:57
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     What about you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:58
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     Um, I'm still happy with the size. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:00
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     That's what I want. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:01
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     Have a phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:54:04
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     I like the bigger size. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:06
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     I think that it works well for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:07
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     I like just having bigger screens where I can have them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:10
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     It's not so big that it's a problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:12
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     I think that they struck a good level. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:14
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     I still would want the Max phone to get some additional features that account for the fact 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:19
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     that it's bigger and more expensive as opposed to just the screen like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:23
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     plus phones used to but I also understand my Apple doesn't want to do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:26
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     yeah I think that's that's not their their plan anymore right this year in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:30
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     particular changing the names but at least I get more battery so yeah because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:34
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     you'll get an additional five over the four that I'll get so an extra hour is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:38
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     great my battery has gotten worse over time as they always do what's your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:42
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     battery health and settings? 95% okay so I don't feel like that that like gives a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:51
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     full picture for what's going on because it says my battery is currently 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:56
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     ►  
     supporting normal peak performance but batteries just get worse over time I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:00
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     ►  
     don't know what that is I don't know if it's in my brain or if it's true but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:03
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     ►  
     that's how it feels but I use the battery case now when I travel and I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:06
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     ►  
     happy about that there won't be a battery case available for a bit I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:10
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     the win. I don't think they're gonna do it because they didn't do one for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:14
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     ►  
     XR and now the pros have similar levels of battery life. I think they feel like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:20
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     ►  
     it is acceptable. Now you may have to go third party but I don't know if we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:24
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     ►  
     gonna see one from Apple or not. They better do it because I'm mad about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:27
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     Because I like having a battery case now for when I travel so like I get over a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:32
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     day. Oh yeah the battery case is great. Right so that's what I want but the I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:37
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     not worried about it for the time being. Real-time follow-up. Okay. There was an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:42
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     ►  
     iPhone XR smart battery case. Okay. So I regret the error. Yes. So I think the door 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:47
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     ►  
     could be open. I wish I wasn't. Mine's on my desk, the battery case. It's great 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:52
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     ►  
     especially when you travel. I don't use it day to day. Do you use it every day? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:55
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     ►  
     No. Just when you travel? Just when I travel. Just when I see you. Yeah. So from my point 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:59
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     of view, use it 100% of the time. I love when I take this off because my phone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:03
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     ►  
     gets thin and light again. It's too big, too heavy. It's beefy with the better case. But I get what I need out of it which is that I never have to worry about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:11
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     ►  
     charging it when I'm out and about all the time. So yesterday you had a 24-hour travel day. Yeah, I did charge it. Okay. I did charge it. Did you have to though? Or did you just do it because it was convenient? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:20
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     I think I wouldn't have been able to get away with it yesterday because I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:24
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     watching videos and stuff when I was in the airport. I don't think I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:28
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     have gotten away from it because it was more way more than usual use yesterday. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:32
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     ►  
     but if I was just using it as I would normally use it then I probably would have gotten away with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:36
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     ►  
     Especially if you put that thing in low power mode it's just like... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:38
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     ►  
     It just goes down forever. I have continued to be frustrated with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:44
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     ►  
     regular cases covering the color of the phone so I'm really happy about the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:48
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     ►  
     clear case because I feel like I'm buying... I'm choosing the color of my phone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:53
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     ►  
     specifically like it's the color I want. I want to see that and using colored 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:59
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     ►  
     cases which I also understand I can change it whenever I want to sure but I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:02
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     want the option especially at first so I'm happy that the clear case revolution 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:08
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     ►  
     is upon us because you're gonna go gold is what you want that's the plan I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:12
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     ►  
     been getting some weird bugs recently on my phone messages locks up for like long 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:17
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     ►  
     periods of time and I've had this happen three times in the last month when my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:21
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     ►  
     phone just turns itself off and will not come on I've had that twice with my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:25
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     ►  
     iPhone XS and you have to like hard reboot it won't even do that yesterday I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:28
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     ►  
     I was doing the whole like press one button press one button probably number 10 seconds would not do it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:32
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     ►  
     I just wait until it came back on it sound again, which took yeah, and you know where I was in an airport 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:37
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     ►  
     This is why I always get paper boarding passes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:40
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     ►  
     Because what would I have done? Yeah, we had arguing about this last time we flew together and it's proof for why I want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:46
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     ►  
     In the airport and my phone wouldn't turn I've had my tenants do that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:50
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     ►  
     Twice once on iOS 12 and once on the 13 beta. Mm-hmm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:55
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     ►  
     The first time in Hampton I was running I was 12 I was in my truck 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:57
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     ►  
     Unplugged it from carplay and I was gonna go biking got the bike off the truck and picked my phone up to like start a podcast 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:04
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     ►  
     I was gonna listen to something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:06
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     ►  
     It was like completely dead in the water and I couldn't remember how to force reset it like the dance you have to do with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:12
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     ►  
     The side buttons and so I was with a friend of mine. I was like, hey, can you google? It's very embarrassing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:17
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     ►  
     Can you google hard reset iPhone Xs and he's a nerd and he he's listening 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:22
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     ►  
     What is it like volume up volume down hold for like 10 seconds? I don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:26
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     ►  
     I have to look at every time but then I do the other way around as well as that doesn't work 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:30
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     ►  
     Yeah, so you say my bacon but uh, it's a real pain when that happens 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:34
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     ►  
     I don't that worries me, but the tennis that you've had it to maybe there's something going on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:39
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     ►  
     maybe I'm I don't know maybe just flakiness but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:41
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     ►  
     probably a bug in 12 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:44
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     ►  
     But I've had in 13 once as well. Okay, but 13 is also the beta has not been who knows who knows? Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:50
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     ►  
     It's not been bad enough where I've thought I need to have this phone like serviced 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:54
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     ►  
     Like I don't think something's wrong with it, but I just kind of kept my eye on it. Yep. I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:00
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     ►  
     Still like smart HDR. I'm a true believer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:03
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     ►  
     I'm not one of these people that's now jumping on the small HDR socks bandwagon because a few people said I'm not saying you said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:08
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     ►  
     That we said you said we said it a long time ago 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:11
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     ►  
     I didn't say you said that we like a whole conversation on this show going back between where Federico was really upset about it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:17
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     ►  
     You didn't like it and I loved it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:19
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     ►  
     You're smart HDR denier hipsters. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:21
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     ►  
     I still like smart HDR and I like what that did to my images. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:27
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     And I like the images I've seen of new cameras where they've made 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:29
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     ►  
     improvements to smart HDR. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:31
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     ►  
     So I'm cool with that, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:32
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     ►  
     Like I liked it and now it's going to get better. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:34
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     ►  
     This screen on my phone is incredibly scratched up and I've never had that 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:59:39
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     ►  
     Did your 10 scratch? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:59:40
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     ►  
     My 10 scratched really badly and the 10s has been better, but definitely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:45
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     ►  
     still has some light scratches. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:47
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     ►  
     but the stainless steel ring is like destroyed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Let me show you this thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:50
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Let me show you this thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:51
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     ►  
     See that, it's like a big scratch across the middle. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:53
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     ►  
     - Oh, oh no. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:54
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     ►  
     - And I have a bunch up in the corner. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:54
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     ►  
     - Oh, that's sad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:55
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Adina has like a gouge in hers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:57
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     ►  
     - That is like edge to edge. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:58
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     ►  
     - Yeah, it went all the way across the middle. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:00
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     ►  
     - This phone is enormous. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:00:02
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     ►  
     It's extra big when it's got the case on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:00:05
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     ►  
     - It's a big boy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:06
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     ►  
     - It's like you're handing me a watermelon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:07
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     ►  
     - Yeah, it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:08
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     ►  
     - Here you go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:09
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     ►  
     - It's a big boy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:09
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     ►  
     He's, you know, he's traveling. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:11
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     ►  
     puts a bit of extra weight on when he travels like all of us. So you come to America you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:15
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     ►  
     leave it a little bit bigger than when you left. So where do you, how do you give it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:20
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     ►  
     on the 5 star thing that I made up? 4. Pretty good? Yeah. Do you feel like it is, what they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:29
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     ►  
     doing with the 11 Pro like fits with what you would want out of a new phone? Yep. Okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:34
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     More battery, better camera, faster. That is what... Clear cases. Clear cases. But that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:40
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     ►  
     the thing though click it but I mean that's what I'm looking for right like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:43
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     ►  
     I'm gonna upgrade anyway right because that's just what my life is sure I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     have wanted to upgrade like I think neil I Patel said this and I can understand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:55
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     ►  
     it it's like this is the first time in a long time where he recommends the year 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:00
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     ►  
     of a year upgrade because the changes are that good I think the last time I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:04
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     ►  
     felt that was maybe the seven to the ten but it was such a huge price jump it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:09
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     ►  
     hard to talk people into it. The year of a year upgrade hasn't made sense since... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:15
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     ►  
     Usually it doesn't. Six or 6S? They broke that around six. Yeah. And I think even honestly the two year 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     cycles broke in two. Because look, Apple's on a three year cycle now with these designs. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:26
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     ►  
     Their naming hasn't caught up with that because the 6, the 6S and the 7 are all very similar. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:31
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     ►  
     Even the 8 is close behind that in terms of design. But isn't it kind of funny that they've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:37
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     ►  
     just gone back to the number. I was thinking about this when I was looking on their website 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:41
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     ►  
     a couple of days ago. They've just gone back to the number. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:44
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     ►  
     Oh, the Roman numerals just gone? Well, two years of Roman numerals. I don't think they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:47
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     were ever going to do the... No, they weren't ever, but it's just kind of funny where it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:51
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     ►  
     like, we'll pretend, let's just pretend that that never happened, shall we? Yeah. And I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:55
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     wonder too, if they didn't have Mac OS X, if the iPhone may have just been iPhone 1-0, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:00
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     but they like the X as their branding. Isn't the names of Logic and Final Cut like that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:05
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     They as a company like X as 10 and they just couldn't help themselves. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:10
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     ►  
     But like they also shot themselves in the foot with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:13
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     ►  
     There was a dead end. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:14
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     ►  
     Well because it's like what we were talking about with now how they're trying to flip 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:18
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     it right with the iPhone 11 right like the iPhone 8 is the forgotten iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:02:25
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     Who remembers anything about that phone? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:26
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     It's a good phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:28
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     Mary has one, my wife has one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:29
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     It's an iPhone 10 inside. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:30
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     They still sell it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:31
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     yeah, with the camera. And if you want touch ID, it's your last option. Although there's a rumor, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:36
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     do you see this that there was a rumor for an iPhone se early next year, based on the eight. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:41
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     So you know, like, you did that with the five s and the size went away and they bought it. So 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:45
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     there may be hope still, but if you like that size, but $449 starts out now. It's a good deal. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:53
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     It's 64 gigabytes. So I think if you are on say you're on an iPhone six s or seven, I think if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:00
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     if you're going to buy a phone this year for the holiday season, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:03
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     the 10 R is a good deal now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:06
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     Five ninety nine five ninety nine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:08
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     But honestly, I think the eleven if you if you're really coming from a success, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:11
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     if you hold your phone that long, I'd say just do the eleven. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:15
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     Yeah, I if you can afford it, it is expensive. But 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:19
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     it's like one of those things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:21
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     If you go into six hundred, can you go to seven? Right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:25
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     And for a lot of people, it's not going to be possible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:29
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     But for a lot of people, if you've gotten that far, try and go that extra. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:35
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     You know, maybe you have a phone you can trade in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:36
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     Apple loves a trade in and you can maybe get something for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:40
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     But but yeah, I'm going to be selling my phone's going to be moving on in the family. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:45
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     I will put it through Apple Care, though, get one of the because I have Apple Care on this phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:50
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     That screen needs to be replaced. It's covered in scratches. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:53
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     I it's within my right to change it for like 50 pounds or whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:57
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     So I'm gonna do that and then then hand it over to a family member 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:01
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     The tennis is the first phone a while. I haven't broken. I never broke a tennis. You wanna do it now. No 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:06
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     ►  
     Put on YouTube channel that happened with the you should we could make a viral video 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:13
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So like you go into the Apple store 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:15
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     You pick up your new one and you just throw it on one on the ground that's been done about doesn't matter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:19
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     ►  
     You can do it though. It's been three years since I've had a viral video 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:25
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     ►  
     - His Gate, is it still on your YouTube channel? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:04:28
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     It is still there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:30
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     - You're still trying to rake in the ad revenue on it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:32
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     - It was too short for an ads on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:34
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     It was like 17 seconds or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:35
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     - You just, oh, you don't wanna lose the stats? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:37
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     What is it, why'd you keep it there? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:39
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     You just, you know, it's not the kind of person 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:40
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     that would remove something? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:42
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     - Pretty much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:42
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     - 1.6 million views. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:44
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     - Mm, that's what'll be on my tombstone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:47
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     Are you watching the His Gate video? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:04:49
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     - I was saying with my 7 Plus, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:51
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     I broke a 7 Plus when my iPhone 10 was like in the mail to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:56
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     That was really disappointing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:58
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     When you have to go to the Apple store 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:59
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     and have your phone's gonna be placed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:01
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     the day before the new iPhone comes out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:03
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     - Why'd you do it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:04
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     ►  
     - It's really depressing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:04
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     It was like destroyed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:07
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     ►  
     And the 7 Plus was going to someone in the family. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - And I didn't wanna hand it to them and be like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:13
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     ►  
     here's your new phone, I smashed it to pieces. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:16
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     ►  
     I wanted to have them to have a fresh start. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:20
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Phone's still floating around in the family, still going. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:23
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     So I feel like we've both been pretty happy with the XS, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:27
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     ►  
     but I feel like the 11 is gonna just make things better. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:31
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I'm sure the 11 will still get four. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:33
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     ►  
     - It's, oh, there's nothing so perfect. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:37
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     ►  
     - I'm really excited. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:38
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     ►  
     I'm more excited about this phone than I was the XS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:40
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     ►  
     I mean, the last time I was as excited about a phone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:43
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     was the X and then probably, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:45
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     I mean, the 7 Plus was the first one with two cameras, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:49
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     ►  
     But like, you know, the success plus is like, OK, cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:52
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     It won't be slow because it's very slow. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:54
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     ►  
     The six plus was awful. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:55
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     ►  
     No had a gigabyte of RAM and it was just really, really slow. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:59
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     Maybe wasn't it the first one? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:01
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     ►  
     Yeah, but like we didn't notice it at the time because we were blown away. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:04
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     ►  
     But as soon as you get the success plus, you're like, oh, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:07
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     Oh, yeah. You know, like I remember towards the end, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:09
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     ►  
     like when you pull down on a notification, it was like you'd have to wait. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:12
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     You just wait for everything to load. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:14
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     It's like there's a little man in there, like cranking the notification 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:16
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Oh man, that got real bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:19
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     ►  
     That phone was a little underwhelming. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:22
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     ►  
     - No, it wasn't underwhelming, it was amazing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:24
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     ►  
     - Underpowered. - It was underpowered. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:26
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     ►  
     - It was a big phone, the first big phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:28
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     ►  
     All right, we're gonna wrap up talking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:30
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     ►  
     a little bit about Apple Arcade 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:32
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     because it's out, question mark? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:34
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     It's kind of available. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:36
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     ►  
     - It's available, you can get it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:37
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     - You can get it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:38
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     And a lot of people probably use like three different things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for that, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:04
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     Like we can be honest, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:05
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     you're probably tracking expenses in a Google sheet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:07
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     because that's where I used to be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of this show and Relay FM. Tell us about Apple Arcade. It launched to the surprise of everybody. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:29
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So Apple Arcade was supposed to be launching on Thursday the 19th of tomorrow, but a couple of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     days ago it just appeared if you were running 13.1 on any device so it's available on the iPad if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:42
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     ►  
     you're running it on the iPad which it was unsure if we were going to have to wait until like iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:48
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     OS officially shipped before Apple Arcade would be available but it is now you can go get it you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:55
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     ►  
     sign up for $9.99 a month and the breadth of games available for this service currently is incredible 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It was kind of funny in a way. Developers did not know this was going to be happening. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:11
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So Apple Arcade developers, I follow a lot of Apple Arcade companies that are making games for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:16
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Apple Arcade on Twitter just because there's a lot of game makers that I'm interested in and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     have been interested in on Apple collection for years that are making games for this service. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:25
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It was funny to watch them kind of reacting. I downloaded I think 45 games that I'm legitimately 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:34
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     interested in trying. Holy moly. So that kind of shows the level. There are still games 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:40
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     ►  
     appearing on the service. So since the initial launch, there have been more games added and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:46
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I haven't yet been able to go in and look at some of the more games that have been added 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     because I still have so many that I want to just get through. And there's been a couple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:54
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     where I've opened them up, I've played them a little bit and I'm like, this one isn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:57
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     for me. But I don't care because I'm finding games that I'm really enjoying. So I want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:02
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     to give you a couple of highlights of the games I've played so far. So Assemble with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Care, this game was originally called Repair. It is from us two games who you may know from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:11
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     creating Monument Valley. It is a game that has Knolling involved which is, I know you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     love, which is the idea where you're taking things out and placing them down. You're basically 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     repairing things and there's a big story element to the game as well. So the title character 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:27
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Maria she is a she fixes stuff and so you're fixing stuff so you unscrew things you would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:32
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     love this game I'm installing it right now because it's a game to repairing so if I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:36
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     played all these games on my iPad by the way obviously not on my iPhone yet another game 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:41
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     that I've been enjoying is card of darkness which is from Zach Gage who is responsible 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:46
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     for many of my favorite iOS games of all time like flip-flop solitaire for example he worked 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:53
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     with the creator of adventure time to create this game. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:57
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     card of darkness is fun but really very difficult but I've been playing that and I've liked 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:11:03
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     sayonara wild hearts is unbelievable. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:08
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     this was the game that they showed, it was the third demo that they showed from anapunar 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     interactive. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:13
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I blacked out during the second one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:14
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     it is a part fighting part rhythm game. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:18
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     the music is incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     John Syracuse is losing his mind over this game, so if you like John's thoughts on these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:26
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     ►  
     types of things, which he should because he's very good at this stuff, he can pick good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:30
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     games, this is one of them. It is absolutely fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:34
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I've also put some time into Skate City which is a game that I've been wanting to play for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:38
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     years. Yeah, I've been playing that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:39
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It is published by the company behind the Altos Odyssey and Altos Adventures. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:43
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     ►  
     It's beautiful. So it's, I'm really excited to put more time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:48
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     into this. Skate City feels like it will be more at home on my iPhone than my iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:52
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     ►  
     It's a, yeah, I've played it on both and it's much better on the phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:56
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     ►  
     Yeah, so I haven't been able to do that yet, so I'm looking forward to that. But there's still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:00
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     a bunch of other games that I'm excited to try out. Overland is a game that I've had my eye on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     for a while, it's just come out for the Switch too. I actually played Overland at XOXO in like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:09
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     ►  
     2016 or something. What the Golf is a game that ever, I've, this is my next game to try out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:16
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     This is a game that I've seen many people say is making them laugh out loud. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It is golf where, like, so for example, one of the parts of the trailer is you are pulling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:28
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     ►  
     to flick the golf club, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:31
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     And as you strike, it's actually the person that flies the golf ball. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:35
     ◼ 
      
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     So there's like a bunch of other stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:37
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     There's lots and lots and lots of games. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:40
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     I said this before, it was my expectation, and now I've seen the breadth of games available. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is the best value for money of any subscription service that Apple offers. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can't believe it's only $5 a month. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They have definitely exceeded my expectations with the types of games that they have available. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They have a really good spread of weird indie games that wouldn't make sense or wouldn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     make money, right? It will be difficult to make money to very deep games from a mini motorways 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is another one. If you play mini Metro, it's a sequel to mini Metro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've been playing that. It's great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like they have a very interesting spread of the types of games and the types of companies. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If they keep this up, gaming on iOS has completely changed. If they're able to maintain this, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They have fixed the model, they fixed it, from the IAP focused games to this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now it is unknown at the moment exactly what the deals are for these companies. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For as much as I've been able to put together from second hand people muttering things to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     me and people that I know that are smart in this industry who think they can work out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what's going on, it seems a lot like Apple is just paying upfront money to companies 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to build games for them. It is unknown what that's going to look like going into the future 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if they're going to keep doing that. Or if they're going to start moving to... for as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     much as I'm able to understand, they are not doing what people thought they were, which 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was the amount of time played in a game means how much money you're going to make. It seems 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like that there is a pretty set fee for a lot of companies. But this might just be of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the people that I've known, that's what they're dealing with. Maybe if you're a smaller developer, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't get that but Apple are the publisher of these games it's why the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple Arcade logo shows up before anything else right they are fronting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the money for companies to make these games it is unknown what this is gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
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     look like going forward Apple isn't talking about it obviously the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     developers can't talk about it we'll see but for as much as I've been able to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     piece together it seems like the companies that have been offered this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     deal they all wanted to do it because it was a good deal I think Apple if anything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're gonna have to work harder at that over time if they want to keep the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pace up of new games every month but I imagine that they get in more pitches 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than they can handle right now yeah probably but I think in the long term I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would imagine that they'll be fitting the bill for quite some time yeah but I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am very, very, very excited about digging into more and more of these games as time 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And it's now going to be the only place I'm looking for new games. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I always spend time looking for games on the App Store, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I love games on iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will now be going first to the Apple Arcade tab. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, because any other game is either going to be pay up front or it's going to nag you 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     economics it's because I'm already paying for this service so I may as well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go there first because in theory I already own these games I've paid for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     these games I have noticed something which is frustrating to me I have on my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iPads the setting turned on to download apps automatically does not work with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple Arcade right now on the 13.1 beta what if you download it on one device 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's on that one device it doesn't download to the other device hmm did you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     see Game Centers leaning into Memoji did you get presented that yes yeah it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like we right that's like that's how you create your icon for the switch. I forgot Game Center was still around. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah I think Game Center is important for this there's a lot I've noticed a lot of games have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     achievements which is funny. Yeah and I played one called Agent Intercept mm-hmm car racing type game 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they only unlock new levels every set number of hours and I just instantly got frustrated with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that and like took it off because if I'm like into a game I want to keep playing it. Wait what? So like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you could play level one and level two would be unlocked in five hours. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Why? It's dumb, it's a bad decision because... Is it part of the game mechanic? Not that I can tell, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like it's not like the thing happens five hours later in the game. They want you to keep coming 
     
     
  
 
 
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     back, want to send me push notifications, I was like this is not what I want from this. So this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is, so I've seen a few games like this. If I'm into something, as someone who doesn't play mobile 
     
     
  
 
 
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     games hardly at all, I was actually into it, I want to keep going and then I couldn't for three 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hours like well forget this. That is really weird I mean I've seen some of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this though where there are games that were clearly made for the in-app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     purchase idea that have been brought over to Apple Arcade. This may have been that. And that they are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:35
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     basically they are being retrofit so like the Frogger game was obvious right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I spoke about this a couple of weeks ago if you have costumes for a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     character in a game you're supposed to buy the costume yep so there is some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:51
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     stuff like this where there's like these remnants of a previous business model 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that one is particularly weird I have that game downloaded I want to see what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:59
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     is going on with that because that's very off-putting it is because why yeah if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there was a reason like there could be a legitimate gameplay reason to do this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where it's like they're trying to make it feel more immersive right so it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like oh you have to come back during these hours to complete the mission 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right? Like there are games that do stuff like that and it can be a thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:18
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     But if it's just like, no, we're on looking for out why I already own you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Give me the levels. Exactly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, yeah, all in all, I think Apple Arcade is off to a really good start. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really think it's going to be, but it will be popular. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:33
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     Almost by default, because it's a tab in the app store, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:37
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     which is a big deal and with a 30 day free trial and it's five dollars a month. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:42
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     and if you have iCloud family sharing turn like we do, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:46
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     my spouse and children can play it too, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:49
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     I think this is going to be a big hit. And so far, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:53
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     even as someone who doesn't play a lot of games, I'm impressed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:56
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     And I've gone back through today looking for new things and a couple types of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     games I would like to have that aren't there yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:02
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     I'm excited. I did not expect to be so enthusiastic about this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Good, I'm pleased because that's the point, right? That's what they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:09
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     need to be doing is if they can capture people like you, it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It will help them try and change the economics of gaming in the App Store a bit. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Alright, I think that does it for this week's in-person episode of Connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But if you enjoy listening to us together, there's so much more available to you this 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Six hours, in fact! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Friday September 20th starting at 4pm Eastern. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Twitch.tv/relay. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     You want to be there, it's going to be amazing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We've got a lot of stuff planned. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a nice jacket. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We have got some fun things we're working on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Twitch.tv/relayfm, let me say it correctly, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:45
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     I said it relay a moment ago, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     twitch.tv/relayfm, please come and hang out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:51
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     - If you wanna find links to other stuff we spoke about, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:55
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     they're in your podcast client of choice, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:58
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     but they're also on the web at relay.fm/connected/261. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:03
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     While you're there, you can get in touch with feedback 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:05
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     or follow it via email, or you can do so on Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:07
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     You can find Myke on Twitter as I-M-Y-K-E, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you can find me there as ISMH. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:13
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     Federico is not here this week, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but his iOS 13 review, iPad, OS 13 review, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:19
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     will be up this week, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:21
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     so be sure to check out macstories.net tomorrow, and-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:26
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     - And block off your weekend. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:27
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     - Yeah, call in sick on Friday. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:29
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     - 'Cause you're busy Friday, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:30
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     we've got Federico in the morning, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:32
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     you got us in the evening, just take a long weekend. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:35
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     - Yeah, it's fine by us. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:37
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     We'll sign the doctor's note. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:20:39
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     So be sure to look for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:40
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     It's genuinely awesome and I'm very happy and proud 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:43
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     for him once again to be doing this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:45
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     Also check that out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:47
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     I'd like to thank our sponsors this week, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:48
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     Express, VPN, Eero, and FreshBooks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:51
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     And until next time, Myke, say goodbye.