261: You Handed Me a Watermelon
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Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 261.
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It's made possible this week by our sponsors,
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ExpressVPN, Eero, and FreshBooks.
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My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined in person
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by Mr. Myke Curley.
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- What's up?
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- I'm in Memphis again.
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- We're gonna talk about why in a minute.
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But we are together in the studio,
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we can give each other high fives, proof.
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Can't fake that in Logic later.
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It is hot outside, it is nice in here.
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And we are without Federico this week, which is sad.
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- He couldn't make it.
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- He said if I can't be there in person--
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- Don't wanna do it. - I don't wanna do it.
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And I kinda respect that. - Yep.
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- So he'll be back next week. - Yep.
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- His iOS 13 review goes up tomorrow.
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So we're gonna talk a lot about that next week.
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He's just in the final stages of getting that ready.
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I've been leafing through it and to no surprise,
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it's really good.
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- It's really good and really big.
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Just like Federico.
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He's pretty tall.
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- He's taller than you think he would be.
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It surprised me the first time we met.
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- Big, tall Italian boy, that's what we call him.
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We have some-- - Big, tall energy.
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- So we have some follow-ups that we do
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at the beginning of the show.
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And let's start by talking about phones that we may or may not have ordered.
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Products, not just phones, products, products.
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I didn't order any other products.
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Even for, okay, all right.
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Well that one thing's a surprise so don't ruin that.
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I ordered a iPhone 11 Pro, the smaller of the two.
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I was with Space Gray, after all the hands on videos and stuff, talked to me into Space
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the camera bump will be less noticeable in the back.
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- It just sounds like hope. - And all black.
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- There's no reason why it would be better
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or worse in all black.
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- Well, black cameras floating on white glass seems icky.
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- But then maybe that takes your attention away
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from the bump and just to the lenses.
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- Whatever, I ordered a Space Gray for the first time
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in a long time, excited about that.
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And what, 256 gig on AT&T, so that's my phone.
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- Something that I don't think I'd noticed
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until the orders went up.
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I cannot believe that this phone starts at 64 gigabytes for $1,000.
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Same as the 10 and 10s.
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But yeah, it's ridiculous.
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It should be at 128.
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It just feels like at this point we should have moved on from this.
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And I just think that it's kind of crazy that they're still doing that.
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Because really this phone starts at $1,149.
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It doesn't start at $999 because you shouldn't be spending $1,000
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and getting 64 gigabytes of storage.
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Well, not if you're a pro.
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Well, that's part of it, though, right?
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But I just mean like if you're spending that,
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you shouldn't be getting that cause you're not going to be happy with it. Right?
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Like it doesn't matter what Apple keeps doing to iOS to make iOS more space
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efficient. You will come up against a 64 gigabytes really fast.
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Like especially they keep making the cameras better,
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which means they take more data. So all of your images are getting bigger.
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4k video is huge.
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4k video is supposed to be what you're watching on this thing cause you've got
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your Dolby Atmos and your whatever it is. And it just feels like,
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It just feels silly.
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Like I know it's like, what's the point of even complaining about it?
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Like, because it's just like, it is what it is with them, with this stuff.
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But I just think that I wouldn't be frustrated about the, uh, the 11 so much.
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Starting there, but the pro should not be starting at 64 gigabytes.
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It just shouldn't, a thousand dollars should get you more than
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64 gigabytes of storage on a phone.
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What did you do?
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So because I'm not I
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Can't I'm not gonna be in
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The UK right on Friday because we're gonna be doing the podcast with on which we'll talk about in a bit
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I didn't order through the traditional channels, right?
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Like I didn't place an order because I can't pick it up and I'm not at home to receive it
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So I'm working on trying to get one for when I get home the gold one
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But we're still also trying to get one for the podcast of fun as well
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Yeah, I'll have mine at least and we'll see if we can get you one
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We're still trying we're still working on that
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So but so that that will be a thing so we can unbox one on the on the actual stream
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So I'm still trying to get one but otherwise I'm gonna pick him one up on Monday the 23rd
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So I would pick one up then if I can't get it and that will be the gold
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256 okay the max the max and I also I have ordered a gold 256
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Regular for a dino to the pro the pro. Yeah
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Yeah, I went through her like and I showed her all the stuff and was like you can choose right because you've got colors and
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all that kind of stuff
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She wanted to have all the best camera stuff that she could possibly have her because that matters to her, right?
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It's the reason she wants to upgrade so she's on a 10
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And she's been jealous of the 10 our photos. I'm sorry that the 10 s photos for a bit. We'll talk about that later on
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But now she wants to upgrade to get the better camera
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So the pro is the best option for her as well because that's where the best camera lives. What is she using now a 10, okay?
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She was on SE for a long time right no she was gonna buy the SE
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She had a 5 for a long that's what I'm thinking
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And then she was gonna buy the SE
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But was so mad about the fact that it was super expensive and just looked like her current phone that she got a 6
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Okay, and then no success I think initially for that success until the 10, okay
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So this is the the most the shortest upgrade cycle for her in a long time. Yeah
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Over on six colors Jason had this awesome interview about the
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Ultra wideband you one chip that's in the new phone. So we spoke a little bit about this week
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There's really not much information out there about this, but it is basically technology that allows
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devices to locate each other with like pinpoint accuracy and
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Apple's using it for airdrop and we can all just assume that it's going to be part of any sort of
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device tracking system in the future
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But Jason landed this interview and it's a great read if you haven't seen this yet
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I definitely recommend it if you want to know more about this technology and what people think it could do in the future
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Yeah, I'm really excited about this. I mean it seems like there's all sorts of
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Things that this could do beyond just losing your keys
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But I think about it in like industry and like commercial settings. It seems really neat
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Yeah, he spoke to a marketing president a company that makes these ships
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It's not the company that's making the chips for Apple
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but this is a company that is invested in ultra wideband technology and I mean
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Of course the VP of marketing for an ultra wideband company is gonna be really excited about ultra wideband
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sure but he does liken it to when Apple put Wi-Fi chips in the max for the first
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time right like what Wi-Fi card inside and it's like that opened up so much
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possibility and they say that there is a lot of possibility here too and there is
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I mean when you go through and look at some of the potential options even for
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for technology it doesn't even exist yet like AR or whatever having these devices
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being able to talk to each other at a much closer rate is great and there's a
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lot of stuff that could be done for smart home you know like I thought about
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about the idea of, it's really nice to have NFC stickers
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that you can tap when you leave the office
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to set the Hue lights, but wouldn't it just be better
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if the devices all spoke to each other
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and I never had to do anything?
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- Yeah, 'cause right now, so much geofencing stuff,
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it's not super accurate, right?
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So for me, for my use case for my offices in my yard,
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my backyard, a geofence, if I go in the house,
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that's not far enough. - No.
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- And so nothing can be automated based on location.
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- It's also not precise enough technology
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my opinion that I'm willing to trust it greatly for the for like really
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important things but ultra wideband with it's like what like 10 centimeter range
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or whatever like I'm willing to trust that that's a good that's a good level
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of range for me so I'm excited about it but we'll have to wait and see if and
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what Apple do with it but they have made their own chip again so they're probably
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gonna do something mm-hmm I want to point people also to Mac power users
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episode 500 a because 500 is a huge nice round number that's exciting
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congratulations thank you for this I interviewed my co-host David sparks we
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were live at the max.conference back in July where the bulk of this episode
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takes place it's sort of a the middle the episode is from July the beating
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evidence from now kind of merged them together through the magic of editing
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and it was great to talk about to David about his work and how he ended up in
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this but a lot of good listener questions. Just really happy with how it came out and we swore
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the MaxDock audience to secrecy about the interview because we recorded it six weeks ago and
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they all kept their pledges so I don't think anything got out. Nothing got to the press.
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That's right. I think we are the press. Well, other press. Other press. Nothing got to upgrade.
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That's true. Nothing was leaked on upgrade. Nothing was leaked. Do you want to tell people
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about our trip out west? We're kind of getting things ready for the
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podcast of fun this week so we did a twitch stream
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a couple of days ago where we played Oregon Trail.
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I played it for the first time and no spoilers but I'm the best Oregon Trail
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player of all time so we put that up on our
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youtube channel so you can go and watch that if you want to if you want to see
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me and Steven playing Oregon Trail and raising money
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for Saint-Duit at the same time. It was a lot of fun and we got a game of
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Super Muncher summon at the end. Yeah I didn't like that one.
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Argan trial was fine, Super Munchers was boring, sorry.
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You're just bad at picking out reptiles.
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Yeah, sure, but it's boring.
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So in two days we're going to be doing our podcast-a-thon. I'll let you talk about that.
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But the reason we're doing it is September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. We've
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been talking about it. Our initial goal was to raise $75,000 for St. Jude, which is an institution
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here in Memphis that treats kids without regard for their family's ability to pay for that treatment.
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what's cool is St. Jude's Reach is far beyond just Memphis.
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It happens to be in my backyard,
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but they, well not my backyard,
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down the street a little bit,
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but they do treat kids from all over the country
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and all around the world,
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and then they share their research with organizations,
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including the World Health Organization,
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all around the globe.
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So kids with cancer in all sorts of far distant places
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can benefit from the work happening right here in Tennessee,
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which is cool as a local guy.
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But the thing that I really wanna point people towards
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is that they do this without charging the families.
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And if anyone's been through this with a loved one
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or a friend, you know how expensive these treatments can be.
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And to have the best treatment
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and the best research in the world,
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and to have your travel paid for and your meals paid for
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and anything you need while you're here paid for
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lets you focus on the task at hand
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of seeing your kid through this nightmare, honestly.
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And St. Jude does that, and as a recipient of that
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for now 10 years with our son,
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I can tell you that there's no place on earth
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quite like this.
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And that's why we're excited to do what we do each September.
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We've blown past the $75,000 goal.
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We are quickly approaching $150,000,
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just twice our original goal.
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and we moved the goalpost to 175
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because we are doing this show on Friday.
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You wanna talk a little bit about that?
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- Yeah, so from four to 10 p.m. Eastern,
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there is a link in the show notes to a Twitch event
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where you can see what the time will be
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in your own time zone.
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We're gonna be streaming live from St. Jude's campus
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for, yes, six hours, and we're gonna be doing
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the first ever Relay FM Podcast-a-thon.
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Me and Steven are gonna be there in person.
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We have some great interviews with some important people
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who will be coming in.
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And we also have a bunch of relay FM hosts as well, Skyping in.
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It's going to be new Apple product days,
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so there's going to be a lot of talk about that.
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And there's going to be some games that we're going to play.
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Jason Snell's put together a wonderful game, which may be familiar
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to some people who've listened to previous episodes of the show.
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And we're going to be doing the best we can to try and raise money
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for St. Jude.
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So that is September 20th this Friday from 4 to 10 p.m.
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Eastern time in America, which is a decent time for people to most over the world to catch at least some
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Which is why we chose this time
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So please tune in for as much as you possibly can
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And see all the fun things we're gonna do to try and convince you to give us more money. That's right
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We are gonna host the video on YouTube when it's done. Yep, and we're gonna post the audio
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Some people have ashes for the the audio
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It's gonna be a big mp3 just be prepared. Maybe it would be multiple ones
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We don't see hands the six-hour file may break everything. We'll find out
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But that will be hosted in a new feed on relay FM. So if you get a relay FM
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Departures that is a feed we've set up just for our special event
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So right now the family feud is in there just to have something there for episode one. Yep
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This is won't be a fee that's updated very often. But as we do wacky things over time
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I think any live show can go in there, you know
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Like any live event that we do we can try and put in there if it makes sense
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Rather than living in disparate places because the live events tend to have multiple hosts them
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Yeah, if it's that, you know, I think like the connected WWDC maybe not we'll see how it goes
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But relay.fm/departures will be tweeting that link
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I hope to have that stuff up at some point over the weekend
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That's gonna take a long time for that video to get where it needs to go
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But we'll definitely share those links in next week's show notes as well
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Yeah, so if we love if you hung out on twitch live this Friday, but if you can't we understand
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You can check it out later. And of course you can donate at st. Jude org slash connected
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On to tiny topic number one. Mm-hmm, and it's an ironic tiny topic because this is a big topic. It's a 27 inch topic
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Mmm, Myke you are buying a new computer. Yeah, I think we've touched on this a little bit
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But I have placed an order with a Apple business rep. I haven't paid for it yet
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But I will be paying for it very soon because I don't want them to ship it to me because I'm here and not home
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It's just like sitting outside your home. Probably a bad idea. I bought a 27 inch iMac Pro.
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Hooray! Welcome to the club. Thank you. I got the 8 core 3.2 gigahertz 8 core Intel Xeon W processor
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Which I don't know if you know can turbo boost up to 4.2 gigahertz. I'm aware. Yes
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I got 64 gigabytes of RAM and a 2 terabyte SSD. They're the two things that I added to it.
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So it's the base CPU, double the RAM, double the SSD, the entry-level GPU.
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I put entry-level in air quotes because it's a really good GPU.
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Although there are newer ones. So this is what I want to talk to you about. I think you're fine
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buying this at this point. There's no rumor of an iMac Pro update. I don't think that there are
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Xeon's that could go into it yet. The Xeon's and the Mac Pro are different. There are GPUs
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they could put in an iMac Pro but honestly I've had an iMac Pro since the
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beginning of last year whenever it was basically new. I've got the stock based
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model so half the RAM and half the storage you do and I can honestly tell
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you it's the best computer I've ever owned. So you said that I saw Marco say
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that. Jason loves his. Everybody I know that has one loves it. Sparky's got one.
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Made it an easy choice. The specific reason that I'm doing it now is I don't
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want to run Catalina on my iMac so I'm buying it before that becomes a possible situation.
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Now of course they could and very are very likely to update it with something right like maybe it's
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a new chip or whatever but I am running with basically no problems a 2015 iMac yeah I think
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it was the first 5k I think you're right yeah I don't really need a ton more power the machine's
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four years old. But I wanted a bit more because it's getting slow in some places. It's gonna be a lot more power, man.
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You're gonna be surprised. I wanted more power and then I think I may have mentioned this in the past as well,
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then because a family member desperately needs a new computer. Okay. Which gave me the additional push to be like, alright,
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I'll just do it now. It's always nice when you can help somebody out. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're, I think you're safe
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even if they update it. It would be,
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you're still getting a really great computer. The updated Catalina thing is interesting.
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We spoke about this, I think, off the show, but a couple things can happen here.
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So the iMac Pro originally came with High Sierra and it may be that yours could run High Sierra,
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but Apple can't at any point silently revise the firmware or something on the machine and make it
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require something else. So I assume that your iMac Pro will come with Mojave on it out of the box
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and say that Catalina comes out October 15th, a made-up date. I'm not leaking anything. It's
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It's made up date.
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It may be that you could still get Mojave
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either out of the box or downgrade it well into the future,
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but to your point, that's not a guarantee.
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- And I don't wanna roll the dice on it.
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I don't like to mess with things.
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- I am still on Mojave, I think.
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- You're on High Sierra, you mean?
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- I'm on High Sierra, I don't know which one I'm on.
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- Mojave's the current one, you're one back.
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- I'm one back, I'm on High Sierra.
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I'm on High Sierra, I haven't upgraded to Mojave.
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Wait, when did they add Dark Mode?
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Mojave I had to upgrade for some reason okay there was something that was
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stopping you yeah but Catalina is not going to be ready on day one for no I
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upgraded to Mojave not on day one yeah you did it pretty recently oh you know
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what maybe I am maybe I'm thinking about my Mac Mini of being on Mojave I think
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my my iMac is on High Sierra I spoke out on yet I'm thinking about because I was
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thinking I've tried out dark mode but I tried out on my Mac on your little home
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server there because that's what that shipped with so I I want to stay behind
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I especially want to stay behind in Catalina because it's a it's a lot of
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change it's a lot of change and it seems like it is just introducing more
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problems the reason that I like to stay a step behind is because my machine my
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Mac is not for fun right right like it's a tool I don't use it like I use my
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other devices where like I want to be in the latest and greatest to have all the
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on features, I want a completely stable environment. Nothing to change. That's what I want because
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if something messes up and I lose a day trying to fix it, I don't want that. Like that is
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a day's time that I've lost, which is valuable and I don't really have that to spare to frustrating
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computer problems. So that's why I'm pulling the trigger at a time where I would not recommend
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other people do that. Right? Like if you are buying a new computer, especially a new
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professional Macintosh wait a month this is a terrible time to buy one so that's
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what I want to ask you so you have spoken in the past about an interest in
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the Mac Pro yeah what changed what's pushing you into the iMac Pro price that
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it I just I can it's a big reason it's super expensive well we don't know yet
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but we assume well the base model is a thousand dollars more than the iMac Pro
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yeah with a worse GPU a quarter of the storage and no display yeah it's like I
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I don't know how much it would end up costing me,
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but the price that it will be,
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I know from what I can already see,
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is more than I am willing to spend
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when the iMac Pro is sitting there for five grand.
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- The iMac Pro is an expensive computer,
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there's no way around it.
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But a funny thing has happened
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where the Mac Pro has made the iMac Pro
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look like a pretty good deal
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if you're shopping at the high end.
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- Because I would have to spec it up.
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Like, I mean, how much is it really gonna cost me, right?
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Like, I'm gonna do it to configure it like everyone.
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to get 64 gigabytes of RAM and a two terabyte SSD.
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- To match the iMac Pro you bought,
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the Mac Pro will be significantly more,
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and that's without a display.
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So if you go buy the LG one, you're adding what, two grand?
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If you buy the Apple's, you're adding seven?
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- For the work that I'm doing,
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I can't imagine that the increase in the processor
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from the iMac to the Mac Pro
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is really gonna give me that much.
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And it's gonna be in the fact that yes,
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I have a good eight core processor
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and really good fast RAM.
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Does it have the same, is the Mac Pro's RAM better?
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Is it faster?
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It is, isn't it?
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I think it is faster.
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They both use EEC memory?
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I don't remember. Yeah, EEC memory.
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But I believe the Mac Pro uses faster memory.
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But honestly, for what you do,
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I think the biggest difference is you don't need
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something like the afterburner card
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to accelerate 8K video.
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'Cause I don't do anything video-wise anymore.
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Right, and so if you're doing what we do,
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audio or even like, I do some 4K work,
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and the iMac Pro, the base iMac Pro that I have,
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is still plenty fast.
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I think for you and I needs,
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the iMac Pro is a better machine.
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That doesn't mean I'm not tempted by the Mac Pro,
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that doesn't mean there won't be one
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under my desk at some point,
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but the iMac Pro is a great machine.
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- Oh no, it runs the same, the DDR4 ECC memory,
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like 2666 megahertz.
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- So it runs like I'm looking at mine, it's the same.
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- Yeah, I mean the iMac Pros for people
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who need add-on cards or who just need as much GPU power as you can get.
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For me, the Mac Pro thing was always like,
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what could I get that would be useful to me, right?
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And what Apple have decided to build.
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I mean, we spoke about this at length at this point,
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but it is outside of my requirements.
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I was wondering, like, will this thing start cheaper
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and have standard parts that I can upgrade?
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the answer to both of those things is pretty much no.
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We know it's not starting cheaper.
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And when I'm talking about like standard,
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like can I take the graphics card from my PC
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and put it in this thing?
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No, I cannot do that.
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Right, like it's not gonna be as simple as that.
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Right, and that's what I was kind of hoping for.
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- Yeah, well I mean if you have,
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if you're using AMD cards it is,
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but the Nvidia support's pretty bad.
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- Yeah, I'm using Nvidia card.
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But that's what I'm saying, right?
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But like then I, you know,
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it needs to go in those special enclosures that they have,
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right, is that right for graphics cards?
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- No, no. - You can just put them
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put a straight PCI card in it. The enclosures they have are bridging two GPUs into one. So you can put
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like, so say like the Radeon 7 card, which is a GPU Apple could use in the iMac Pro at some point,
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I assume. You could buy that and put it in a Mac Pro because the AMD drivers are all part of
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Mac OS. Apple's cards are just beefier than what you can get off the shelf easily. But to your
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point it's not just an open PC either right there is there are unusual things about it.
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I didn't think they would build that but I wanted to see how far they would go and I think for me
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it's maybe not not far enough like I in a weird way even though the iMac is completely closed
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I feel kind of more confident in the iMac's ability to be a running computer that's going
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to last forever and be good than the Mac Pro which we have no idea the potential pitfalls
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they have designed themselves into yet we just don't know that the iMac Pro at this point is a
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known element is a known quantity we do not know what the Mac Pro is gonna how
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it's gonna ship right like what is it gonna be like when it ships because in
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theory there shouldn't have been a problem with the last one but then I got
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one sitting over there a little trash can and what that is really good for
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actually is for picking names out of little pieces that's the best thing it
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does so you're looking at an iMac Pro you're probably gonna pull the trigger
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soon what about the galaxy fold well this is the most expensive month of your
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life. I don't want to talk about it. Why is everything so difficult? So the
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Galaxy Fold goes on sale in the UK today, right? So I go to their website and I
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click where to buy, right? So you can choose where to buy. And I have some
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options. I have EE, which is a carrier, which is my carrier. Okay, like a carrier
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store, like go buy from them. And when I click on that, all I'm given is the
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option to buy it on a pay monthly plan, right? You want me on a plan. Two year
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plans starting at kind of around a hundred pounds a month.
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Very expensive for a phone.
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But all these plans these days lump in the price of the phone.
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Like you. Right. Right.
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This is like so the recommended plan is one hundred and nineteen
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pounds a month. You pay fifty pounds for the phone.
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Now remember this is like a close to I don't even remember what the final
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price is, but like a two thousand pound phone.
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Right. It's really expensive.
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And it's 5G, 120 gigabytes of data.
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It's a great plan. Right.
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Because this is a 5G phone as well.
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How's 5G coverage in the UK? Here it's like you have to be on the right street
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corner. In London, I mean I haven't tested it but you can get good speeds in London
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but it is a similar thing right where it's like you've got to be in the right
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place at the right time but I do live in London so I'm in a city where it's being
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built out. So that's one option. I don't particularly want to do that. I don't
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want to lock myself into a two-year plan for this phone, ideally. Even though
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like you know I've run the numbers it probably wouldn't end up being that much
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more expensive but it will be a bit more expensive right so then I'm like all
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right let me just buy it from Samsung okay let me ask you a question this is
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Samsung's phone do you think you can buy on Samsung's website I would think so
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you cannot do that my other options are experience it in store and I have two
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options I have Samsung KX there's what it says join all the Samsung KX is
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It sounds like a cereal.
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It is a, it's not a shop is what their website says.
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It is an event space.
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So I can buy an event space which is nice I guess.
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Or I can receive a hand on experience of the galaxy fold and unfold the future apparently
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so that's good to know.
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Someone like helps you unfold it.
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But I don't know if I'm just touching it or can I buy it.
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It doesn't tell me if I'm able to actually buy it.
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I can just look at it.
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you can click on the Samsung store, right? Samsung Experience stores. And I just found
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that their locations can't buy it. And then also is available at Harrods and Selfridges
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to luxury, extreme luxury department stores. They've been very specific with this. I don't
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know why I can buy it online on EE's website, but can't buy it on Samsung's website. If
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you're buying it through Samsung, they want you to go to a place.
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so that you don't peel the screen off.
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- I guess that's part of it, right?
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But if that's the case, let me buy it on,
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if I can buy it on the E's website
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and they'll just ship it to my house,
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let me buy it on your website
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'cause I don't wanna be on a plan with, so.
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- I get the sense that Samsung is selling it
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begrudgingly at this point
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because there were pre-orders in the US,
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they gave everybody their money back.
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They're not here in the US yet.
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and this phone has a curse or something above it
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that seems like it's gonna follow it forever.
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So maybe they are quote selling it
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but actually buying it is extremely difficult
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'cause they don't want to have it on the market.
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- They don't wanna make it easy, I think,
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for people to buy this phone.
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I would love to know if I can book a time at this store
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and go and get one, this experience store,
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but nothing claims this.
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it's just like, oh, come and look at it.
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It's like, well then what do I do?
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- Well, keep us updated.
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- Yeah, I mean, I'm probably just gonna try and buy one.
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So when I go back home, and if I am gonna go
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to the Apple store to get an iPhone,
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I will be surrounded by, I mean,
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I'm in the center of London, and there is a Samsung store,
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and there's a Selfridges, and I could go to Harrods.
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So my plan is to attack these places
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until one of them will let me give an incredible amount
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of money to buy this phone.
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Because I know connected listeners are dying
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for my review of the Samsung Galaxy Fold at this point.
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- I know they are.
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They better be.
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I'm still very excited about it.
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I will fight against anything Samsung has put in my way,
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which so far has been a lot,
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to try and just plead them to take my money
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to give me their fundamentally flawed phone.
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- Good luck with that. - Thank you.
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and Relay FM.
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It is new product week and here on Wednesday,
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the embargoes have been lifted on the iPhones
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and the Apple watches.
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So there are just a bunch of reviews that we've read
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and watched in the show notes.
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I thought we can maybe talk about some high level stuff.
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And it seems like the camera improvements are the thing that have grabbed people's
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attention this year on the phone.
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I mean, as always, it's always camera improvements, right? Like that's,
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it's always going to make the headlines because that's what Apple are doing
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every year. That's what you can always count on,
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that the camera's going to get better.
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But this feels like one of those years where they've gone and done something
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wild and it's more than the fact that they added another lens, right?
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Like they seem to have done a lot more from the software processing side to make their images look better and
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Dying to try out this camera
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Because it looks legit
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I mean the battery is also making a lot of headlines too because
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They've made huge jumps in battery levels, especially on the pro right like adding four or five hours of battery life to your phone
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it's wild is is bonkers like that's unprecedented from apple it is and it's a
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it's a promise they can't walk back so i've been thinking about this in terms of 5g
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coming in the future right now you get a 5g phone like your beloved and the battery life's miserable
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and all huh just like it was with lte back in the day remember android phones first got big when
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lte came out because they'd have bigger batteries the iphone used to have text in in the settings
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and it will have it again right you could enable it but it said it will reduce your battery life
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do you remember that i don't but i believe it it used you could you could choose and it's like you
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can stand 3g or you can go on 4g which will get you faster speeds but reduce the battery life of
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your phone but they can't walk back four to five hours no the phone still has to have it right right
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and so that's an interesting dynamic that may come up in the future
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Gruber and his review was talking a lot about 3d touch going away and that hardware going away
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and that maybe opening the door to a bigger battery.
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And clearly there's some element to the new processor,
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because even the 10R to the 11 gained an hour.
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But I think--
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It does have a bigger battery.
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But it has a bigger battery.
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And getting rid of the 3D Touch, the sensors which
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added depth to the display, and the phones
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are slightly thicker and slightly heavier,
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it seems like Apple, that was a big deal for them this year.
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And I think it's great.
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We're gonna talk about sort of our experience with the XS.
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I tell you, the battery life on the regular XS
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is not very good.
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And I'm excited for the 11 Pro to have a big bump there.
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But the cameras, I'm with you,
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I'm really excited to try them.
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The more examples I've seen of people posting
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from the ultra wide, I think there's a lot of
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creative things we can do with that.
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And I see now why the 11 has that and not the telephoto.
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Even though-- - It's more fun.
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I like the telephoto and I find it really useful.
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I think the ultrawide is more fun.
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I think people have a better time with that.
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And man, the night mode photos look really good.
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Jason had-- - Yeah, just before, sorry,
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just before we do move on to the camera stuff,
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I just, I saw this link yesterday and went to bring it up.
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MacRumors got some filings
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from the Chinese regulatory agency, Tenor.
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The batteries are 25% larger.
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the the 11 Pro Max has effectively a 4000 milliamp power battery which the
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XS Max had a 3000 milliamp power battery. So a big jump. So they're huge.
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So yes the phone's got thicker which allowed for it but I would expect
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that Gruber is right that removing the 3D Touch also allowed for that. It
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probably wasn't why they removed 3D Touch but when they were doing the pros
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and cons of removing it I'm sure this was on the list. I mean as soon as the XR came out
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with haptic touch which is a long press instead of the deep force touch 3d force
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touch deep press. That's the full name. I think the writing was on the wall. Yes I agree with you.
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So the only thing that has 3d touch now is the track pads on the max and the
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Apple watch and even in watch OS 5 and I haven't run watch OS 6 but even in watch
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OS 5 the importance of 3d touch has been diminished and you could see where they
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could get rid of it there as well in the future. Yep. Because again, more battery
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life than the Apple Watch. It's always a good thing. Yep. But so yeah, so the night
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mode, Jason posted this picture last night or today, just outside and you know
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there's been lots of examples of this but the what caught me in his example, so
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it's of a car in his neighborhood and like a driveway that's lit and in the
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night mode photo you can see like the stars in the sky, which blows my mind
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mind that's possible on a camera that goes in your pocket. Yeah and as well
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like in John Gruber's review some of his photos of inside of a dimly lit bar were
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amazing like the fact that you could see like he was posting this is what it
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looks like on a like a XS and this is what it looks like on the 11 Pro with the
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night mode is I'm really excited for the night mode stuff I'm very very pleased
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that are adding it because the phone needs it after seeing what Google would
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do. So I'm really excited to see that they're doing it at what looks like to
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be a very very high level too. Yeah I think Apple has probably recaptured the
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best smartphone camera for most people. We'll see what the Pixel 4 does. It's
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gonna be out next month. A lot of people are saying right like this is now the
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phone to beat and the iPhone has not been the phone to beat for a while.
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the pixel 2. and it you right like so Google's event is in a couple of weeks
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time actually about a month's time it's like October 14th or something like that
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which is hilarious considering the fact that we know basically everything about
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this. and if I were to put money down that's also the week of Apple's
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October event. yeah if they're gonna do one they'll probably do it that week oh
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man can you imagine if they did it on the same day. I'm gonna be on vacation it's gonna be great. oh great
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everybody's on vacation but that's fine we'll still be here for you don't
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worry so I'm I'm I'm very intrigued to see what exactly Google will be doing on
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the camera side because Apple have really come out swinging this time it's
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exciting I want them to be competitive with the camera because there have been
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times where I've been in situations and I own a pixel 3a as like I wish I had
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the other phone with me. I don't like that feeling and so I think they've really stepped
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I like something that John Gruber wrote, like a quote from his article, because one of the
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things about these new lenses, especially when you're in camera mode, but there's also
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in video mode when you're not shooting in 4K at 60 frames a second, you can change between
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any of the lenses and it happens smoothly. So you can either zoom with the little zoom
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wheel or you can like hit the buttons and it will zoom. Now with this current telephoto
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it would always like snap, right?
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But now it does a zoom into these things.
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And what Gruber says is,
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what's essential to understand
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is that you don't need to know
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that the iPhone 11 camera systems
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consist of two or three discrete cameras.
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From the user's perspective,
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they look and feel like a single camera
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with multiple zoom levels, which is awesome.
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I love the thought of that.
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Like I bet that's gonna feel much nicer
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as a way to control that stuff.
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- And Apple talked a lot about
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how they are much closer in quality.
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The ultra wide though doesn't have any focus pixels
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and is not quite as fast of an aperture.
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- And it can't be stabilized in video.
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- But, and they'll get there,
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but it does seem like they have done more work
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than in the past to make the cameras more similar.
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- 'Cause like if on the 10 or the 10S,
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when you stepped up to the telephoto,
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it was markedly worse and that was always disappointing
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and it seems like this year they've done some work
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to help mitigate that.
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And also, you can now take portrait photos from the regular camera, not just the telephoto
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camera and it uses the like the ultra wide as the way to help balance that ground stuff.
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So I'm excited about that because you don't have to be so close, the camera is better,
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it can let more light in.
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And the examples that I've seen of people that are taking photos with this setup, so
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from the regular camera in portrait mode, the portrait shots look a lot better.
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I think it's going to be awesome.
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Anything else on the phones that you're excited about?
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Well, not excited, but something that I think is worth noting is that 13 seems super buggy
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on the new phones.
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All the reviews that I've read comment on this, and Apple's comment is, "Wait for iOS
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13.1," basically.
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So we're going to have 10 buggy days.
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I'm going to just put the 13 with beta on it and then migrate and not even worry with
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I'm not going to do that.
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I'm still not running 13 on my iPhone.
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- I'm already on the beta, so I'm just gonna do it.
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- I will be the sacrificial lamb
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and let you know what 13 is like.
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- Okay, I think that does raise a question for our listeners.
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If you're not upgrading your phone this year
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and you're on 12, do you update to 13 tomorrow
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when it comes out, or do you wait a week for 13.1?
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- I mean, I wouldn't wait,
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because there's gonna be apps with,
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I mean, all the apps are gonna start popping out.
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Everyone's gonna be talking about 13.
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Like, I wouldn't wait.
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I wouldn't be able to wait.
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- Yeah, see, I would say go for it.
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- Like I'm gonna be upgrading mine--
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- Tomorrow, I'm just gonna do it.
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- Yeah, I agree with that.
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I would say go ahead and do it.
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And if something is bad, it's only for a couple days.
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But even buggy doesn't mean that you're gonna have apps
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that are crashing and stuff.
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I mean, the betas have gotten a lot better recently.
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And it seems like, you know, some messages freezing and stuff.
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- I will give it a couple of hours though.
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I never update immediately because of all the years
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they did pull, they have pulled an update before.
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Multiple times this has happened.
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You know, it's usually the watch that has the most problems,
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but I'll give it a little bit,
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make sure that people's phones are actually updating,
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and then I will be upgrading my phone.
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- Just maybe like tomorrow night.
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- That's good advice, good consumer advice.
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- Just keep your eye on Twitter for a couple of hours
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and then do it.
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There's just been too many instances of updates,
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brick and funds or whatever I think.
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But also Apple Watch reviews are out as well.
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Series five.
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There are less of these as you would imagine, right?
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Like there's less reviews, but.
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The basic consensus that the always on is a nice addition.
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I'll read another quote from John Gruber's review.
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To me, the always on display is the Apple Watch is right in the display moment.
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Once you see it, you can't go back and I totally can get that right.
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Like it takes it from and I've made this.
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I have a discomplaint many times on the show, right?
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Like it takes it from being just like a computer watch
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to a regular watch.
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You need to be able to see the time on your watch.
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That's the reason you wear a watch
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from a fundamental level.
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It's like, you know,
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it's like if your iPhone couldn't make phone calls.
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You need it to make phone calls.
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- Every once in a while.
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- Because at a fundamental level, it is a telephone.
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It is a communications device.
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So you need to be able to do that.
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So I'm pleased that now,
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I think that the watch being able to show you the time is significantly more important than your phone being able to make calls but
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Nevertheless, I'm pleased that it's there
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Battery life is still apparently really great indeed a bones review on the verge. He says it meets the 18-hour claim
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But the series 4 exceeded that yeah, so battery life is still doing what it should be doing, but it isn't as good anymore
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Yeah, that I think is fair the series for battery life is bonkers. We're definitely above the 18 hours Apple claims
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I think that's fine. I think most people gonna still charge it at night
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Like that's the default for almost everybody unless you sleep track. So I think even 18 hours is totally fine
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what is interesting to me in these reviews is
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The really the lack of conversation about the new finishes
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Seems like the reviewers that I saw got the aluminum ones, which is again is what most people are gonna buy
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But I am definitely shouldn't be seen in the reviews at the addition models. They shouldn't be doing that
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I disagree because I think people want to see them. There's some people should get them but who dinky should get those
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Sure or MKBHC like or give somebody an aluminum and a steel like there should be more coverage of
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The higher-end ones and if you're an Apple watch person and you're interested in the stainless steel or titanium
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Odinkie's not a website you're gonna go to like it's a what's that you go to because you like watches
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But I think people who so I've just gone Odinkie's review titanium. Is it? Yeah, so put down the show notes
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And I have a couple like regular watches I would have I know but I would have gone there
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But I was traveling yesterday
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So I didn't get the opportunity to find as much stuff as I would have wanted to but yeah
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They reviewed the the titanium one. I'm gonna read through this later, but I think I think having more
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visibility of those other finishes would be nice especially with a new one because people people are interested in
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The differences it's like for me
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If I were to buy a series 5 I would I would have thought I'd go back to steel because I just don't like the aluminum
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But the titanium cuts the weight down, but I really want to see how it looks in person
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Yep, like these pictures look nice, but I want to see it
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Handled I want to see it in video. I want to see it more and
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You know something that you can't really do without going into a store if they don't see the review units
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But I mean some minor complaint about how they've done this, but I think there should be more visibility of those
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Watch it was six is interesting to me, too. I've not run watch it was six
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I've never run a watch it was beta because it seems like a bad track
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But I am excited about the new watch faces the California watch face seems extremely customizable
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I like how what I've seen of it so far
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That would probably be the watch face that I run. Yeah, if I was to have one
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I'm excited about the hearing protection the hearing health stuff is really useful for you
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It is useful for me as someone who does audio stuff was you have a hearing issue. I have a slight hearing issue
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And it is one of those things though compared to the other health stuff where like a lot of the time you're like
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alright, well
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So like again going to Dita bones video, which is a very his Apple watch video is very good
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yeah he shows himself on his commute mm-hmm and he's exceeding the noise levels on the subway on
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the subway so he's like well now what then yeah like do i walk around with the earplugs in all
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the time like yes you can do that but like as opposed to some of apple's other health tracking
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stuff this is one where it's like i'm pleased to know this but like yeah well sometimes knowing is
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enough or if you have some hearing loss and you don't want to get worse me uh then that's something
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that I am interested in and I think we told the story on the show but you would
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tell the story about Casey coming in with the beta? I think I did like so so I
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was in a hotel room in WWDC with a few friends and Underscore was there and he
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was running the beta on his watch and Casey came up to the room and as soon as
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he came in and said hello to everybody the just Casey's level of excitement as
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he is because he's a wonderful person him just saying hello to everyone excitedly
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Set off underscores watch to say that the noise levels were now basically unacceptable safe
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Yeah, and it was the best story. It's the best story
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I'm so pleased I was there to experience that perfect because it's the best Casey moments
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Perfect the other big health thing in watch over six is cycle tracking. Yeah
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I was watching this with Adina this morning and she turned like so she was sitting next when I was watching it and they started
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Talking about it and she looked over and was like, okay
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So I was talking to her about it a little bit because I don't know enough about this stuff, right?
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But she was, you know, she uses an app called Clue, which I recommended to her because I
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saw somebody talking about the design of it years ago.
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And she was saying that like knowing this information is incredibly important because
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you go and see a doctor and they're like, when was your last period?
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I was like, well, how the hell am I supposed to know this if you're not recording it?
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So Apple doing, so she is intrigued and I want to get her opinion on it.
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I was like, well, cause it's also on the phone too.
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I'm like, it's not just an Apple watch, uh, thing. So I, so she's gonna,
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she's gonna let me know how it goes for her. Cause it's, you know, it's,
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it's something that you have to be aware of and this device,
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which is strapped to you all the time,
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which should be recognizing your health changes,
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it should have these things in it as well. You know,
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they should have really did this before they did the breathing app.
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it is embarrassing for Apple that took them
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six revisions of the software to add this.
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It should have been here much earlier.
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- It was nice to have her insight about it.
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- Adina is the head of my wife who uses emojis
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on her calendar for various stages of things.
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- Look, as long as you have a system.
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- She knows.
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- That's so good.
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- Yeah, sometimes I like going to the counter like,
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oh, there's a frowny face.
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Yeah, so watchOS 6, I think it's gonna be a nice update.
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It is available for series three and four currently.
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It will run on series one and two.
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- But not zero.
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- But yeah, zero, it didn't even get watch, it was five.
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Zero's been dead for a while.
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But series one and two will get the update soon.
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So they have committed to doing it.
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I'd imagine that's a performance issue, right?
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Like it's just not doing what they want it to do yet.
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So, and I would say from like a buying perspective,
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if you're on a series one or two,
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Now's a pretty good time to upgrade if you're looking for a new Apple Watch.
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The Series 4 is great.
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I really like mine, even though I don't wear it every day.
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It's a fantastic piece of hardware.
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The Series 5 makes all the best things about it better.
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So if you're on an older Apple Watch and you're considering
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is this the time to update or not? I would say that it probably is.
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Yep. And I want to see what the finishes look like.
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Yes. And we're going to go see him in store on Friday.
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Do you think they'll have them? They should do, right?
00:48:37
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they'll be out. Alright we're gonna talk some more about Apple stuff. Oh really?
00:48:44
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Yeah we're gonna branch out this week. All Apple all the time on this show.
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It's a special very special episode. We talked about Samsung for a while. Yeah that's true.
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00:51:01
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I thought we could talk about the devices we've had the last year and how we have felt
00:51:08
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So we're borrowing from ATP.
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They I think Marco created the idea of the iPhone X interview.
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Yeah, we're just doing that.
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A couple years ago, we're just stealing from them.
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So we're going to do that.
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We're just doing that.
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My past year was a journey.
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If listeners will remember, I started with the XS Max.
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So I was a plus phone user.
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You got me into the plus club back in the day.
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And so when there was a bigger iPhone 10, I was like, "Hey, yeah, let's do it.
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Let's go big."
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Or go home, right?
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Go big or go home.
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And honestly, the Macs didn't sit super well with me.
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A little too big for what I wanted.
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And I ended up with the iPhone XR, really to review it because it was the most popular
00:51:50
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I think you did that.
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I had a blue one and then ended up at the end of the day selling my Macs to a family
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member and ending up with the iPhone XS. This is all by like mid-January. So I've
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been on the XS for this year and I like the size a lot. Like I said earlier, the
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battery life on the XS isn't as good as it could be. I think the X suffer from that
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too a little bit. The Max is about the same as the X. Old phones by the time you're ready.
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I'm saying even my phone's only nine months old so it's not my battery health
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is still like 99%. So it's not that it's aging, it's that even from the beginning
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it wasn't as good as the Max and definitely not as good as the XR and
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So I'm excited about the four additional hours I will get
00:52:32
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But other thing that I haven't been in love with is the smart HDR in Federico and I have both spoken about this
00:52:38
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I have it off on my phone because the smart HDR on the XS
00:52:41
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Works too hard. It does it tries to bring up shadows too aggressively. It smooths
00:52:46
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Things way too much because it's it's noisier than I'd like it to be and it tries to overcompensate
00:52:51
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The XR takes good pictures
00:52:54
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But I haven't been there there haven't been many pictures I've taken with it where I thought I'm in love with this
00:53:00
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straight off the camera and
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I'm hopeful the 11 Pro will be able to fix that for me because
00:53:07
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So far at least and what people have said the 11 Pro seems awesome from the camera perspective
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So those are my two downsides, but I've got to say
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Even with those being true the XS has been a really good phone. Like I've been happy with
00:53:23
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its performance in particular, it is never slow, you know, Apple has so much
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headroom on these processors now it's just it's just bonkers and I've been
00:53:33
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happy with the the iPhone X as a concept from the beginning. I've liked the
00:53:38
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gestures and everything they've been doing even though control center is in
00:53:40
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the wrong place. I feel like this path is a good one and while the XS had some
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flaws, still a solid three and a half to four stars out of five for me.
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It's an exit interview with a star rating.
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I don't think that's how that...
00:53:55
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I haven't had a job in a while.
00:53:56
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I don't remember.
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What about you?
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Um, I'm still happy with the size.
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That's what I want.
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Have a phone.
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I like the bigger size.
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I think that it works well for me.
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I like just having bigger screens where I can have them.
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It's not so big that it's a problem.
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I think that they struck a good level.
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I still would want the Max phone to get some additional features that account for the fact
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that it's bigger and more expensive as opposed to just the screen like the
00:54:23
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plus phones used to but I also understand my Apple doesn't want to do
00:54:26
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yeah I think that's that's not their their plan anymore right this year in
00:54:30
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particular changing the names but at least I get more battery so yeah because
00:54:34
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you'll get an additional five over the four that I'll get so an extra hour is
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great my battery has gotten worse over time as they always do what's your
00:54:42
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battery health and settings? 95% okay so I don't feel like that that like gives a
00:54:51
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full picture for what's going on because it says my battery is currently
00:54:56
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supporting normal peak performance but batteries just get worse over time I
00:55:00
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don't know what that is I don't know if it's in my brain or if it's true but
00:55:03
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that's how it feels but I use the battery case now when I travel and I'm
00:55:06
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happy about that there won't be a battery case available for a bit I don't
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the win. I don't think they're gonna do it because they didn't do one for the
00:55:14
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XR and now the pros have similar levels of battery life. I think they feel like
00:55:20
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it is acceptable. Now you may have to go third party but I don't know if we're
00:55:24
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gonna see one from Apple or not. They better do it because I'm mad about it.
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Because I like having a battery case now for when I travel so like I get over a
00:55:32
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day. Oh yeah the battery case is great. Right so that's what I want but the I'm
00:55:37
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not worried about it for the time being. Real-time follow-up. Okay. There was an
00:55:42
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iPhone XR smart battery case. Okay. So I regret the error. Yes. So I think the door
00:55:47
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could be open. I wish I wasn't. Mine's on my desk, the battery case. It's great
00:55:52
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especially when you travel. I don't use it day to day. Do you use it every day?
00:55:55
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No. Just when you travel? Just when I travel. Just when I see you. Yeah. So from my point
00:55:59
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of view, use it 100% of the time. I love when I take this off because my phone
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gets thin and light again. It's too big, too heavy. It's beefy with the better case. But I get what I need out of it which is that I never have to worry about
00:56:11
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charging it when I'm out and about all the time. So yesterday you had a 24-hour travel day. Yeah, I did charge it. Okay. I did charge it. Did you have to though? Or did you just do it because it was convenient?
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I think I wouldn't have been able to get away with it yesterday because I was
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watching videos and stuff when I was in the airport. I don't think I would
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have gotten away from it because it was more way more than usual use yesterday.
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but if I was just using it as I would normally use it then I probably would have gotten away with it.
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Especially if you put that thing in low power mode it's just like...
00:56:38
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It just goes down forever. I have continued to be frustrated with the
00:56:44
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regular cases covering the color of the phone so I'm really happy about the
00:56:48
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clear case because I feel like I'm buying... I'm choosing the color of my phone
00:56:53
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specifically like it's the color I want. I want to see that and using colored
00:56:59
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cases which I also understand I can change it whenever I want to sure but I
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want the option especially at first so I'm happy that the clear case revolution
00:57:08
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is upon us because you're gonna go gold is what you want that's the plan I've
00:57:12
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been getting some weird bugs recently on my phone messages locks up for like long
00:57:17
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periods of time and I've had this happen three times in the last month when my
00:57:21
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phone just turns itself off and will not come on I've had that twice with my
00:57:25
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iPhone XS and you have to like hard reboot it won't even do that yesterday I
00:57:28
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I was doing the whole like press one button press one button probably number 10 seconds would not do it
00:57:32
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I just wait until it came back on it sound again, which took yeah, and you know where I was in an airport
00:57:37
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This is why I always get paper boarding passes
00:57:40
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Because what would I have done? Yeah, we had arguing about this last time we flew together and it's proof for why I want
00:57:46
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In the airport and my phone wouldn't turn I've had my tenants do that
00:57:50
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Twice once on iOS 12 and once on the 13 beta. Mm-hmm
00:57:55
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The first time in Hampton I was running I was 12 I was in my truck
00:57:57
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Unplugged it from carplay and I was gonna go biking got the bike off the truck and picked my phone up to like start a podcast
00:58:04
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I was gonna listen to something
00:58:06
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It was like completely dead in the water and I couldn't remember how to force reset it like the dance you have to do with
00:58:12
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The side buttons and so I was with a friend of mine. I was like, hey, can you google? It's very embarrassing
00:58:17
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Can you google hard reset iPhone Xs and he's a nerd and he he's listening
00:58:22
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What is it like volume up volume down hold for like 10 seconds? I don't know
00:58:26
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I have to look at every time but then I do the other way around as well as that doesn't work
00:58:30
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Yeah, so you say my bacon but uh, it's a real pain when that happens
00:58:34
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I don't that worries me, but the tennis that you've had it to maybe there's something going on
00:58:39
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maybe I'm I don't know maybe just flakiness but
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probably a bug in 12
00:58:44
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But I've had in 13 once as well. Okay, but 13 is also the beta has not been who knows who knows? Yeah
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It's not been bad enough where I've thought I need to have this phone like serviced
00:58:54
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Like I don't think something's wrong with it, but I just kind of kept my eye on it. Yep. I
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Still like smart HDR. I'm a true believer
00:59:03
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I'm not one of these people that's now jumping on the small HDR socks bandwagon because a few people said I'm not saying you said
00:59:08
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That we said you said we said it a long time ago
00:59:11
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I didn't say you said that we like a whole conversation on this show going back between where Federico was really upset about it
00:59:17
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You didn't like it and I loved it.
00:59:19
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You're smart HDR denier hipsters.
00:59:21
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I still like smart HDR and I like what that did to my images.
00:59:27
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And I like the images I've seen of new cameras where they've made
00:59:29
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improvements to smart HDR.
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So I'm cool with that, right?
00:59:32
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Like I liked it and now it's going to get better.
00:59:34
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This screen on my phone is incredibly scratched up and I've never had that
00:59:39
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Did your 10 scratch?
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My 10 scratched really badly and the 10s has been better, but definitely
00:59:45
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still has some light scratches.
00:59:47
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but the stainless steel ring is like destroyed.
00:59:49
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- Let me show you this thing.
00:59:50
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Let me show you this thing.
00:59:51
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See that, it's like a big scratch across the middle.
00:59:53
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- Oh, oh no.
00:59:54
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- And I have a bunch up in the corner.
00:59:54
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- Oh, that's sad.
00:59:55
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- Adina has like a gouge in hers.
00:59:57
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- That is like edge to edge.
00:59:58
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- Yeah, it went all the way across the middle.
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- This phone is enormous.
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It's extra big when it's got the case on it.
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- It's a big boy.
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- It's like you're handing me a watermelon.
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- Yeah, it is.
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- Here you go.
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- It's a big boy.
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He's, you know, he's traveling.
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puts a bit of extra weight on when he travels like all of us. So you come to America you
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leave it a little bit bigger than when you left. So where do you, how do you give it
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on the 5 star thing that I made up? 4. Pretty good? Yeah. Do you feel like it is, what they're
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doing with the 11 Pro like fits with what you would want out of a new phone? Yep. Okay.
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More battery, better camera, faster. That is what... Clear cases. Clear cases. But that's
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the thing though click it but I mean that's what I'm looking for right like
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I'm gonna upgrade anyway right because that's just what my life is sure I would
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have wanted to upgrade like I think neil I Patel said this and I can understand
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it it's like this is the first time in a long time where he recommends the year
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of a year upgrade because the changes are that good I think the last time I
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felt that was maybe the seven to the ten but it was such a huge price jump it was
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hard to talk people into it. The year of a year upgrade hasn't made sense since...
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Usually it doesn't. Six or 6S? They broke that around six. Yeah. And I think even honestly the two year
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cycles broke in two. Because look, Apple's on a three year cycle now with these designs.
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Their naming hasn't caught up with that because the 6, the 6S and the 7 are all very similar.
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Even the 8 is close behind that in terms of design. But isn't it kind of funny that they've
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just gone back to the number. I was thinking about this when I was looking on their website
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a couple of days ago. They've just gone back to the number.
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Oh, the Roman numerals just gone? Well, two years of Roman numerals. I don't think they
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were ever going to do the... No, they weren't ever, but it's just kind of funny where it's
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like, we'll pretend, let's just pretend that that never happened, shall we? Yeah. And I
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wonder too, if they didn't have Mac OS X, if the iPhone may have just been iPhone 1-0,
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but they like the X as their branding. Isn't the names of Logic and Final Cut like that?
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They as a company like X as 10 and they just couldn't help themselves.
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But like they also shot themselves in the foot with it.
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There was a dead end.
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Well because it's like what we were talking about with now how they're trying to flip
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it right with the iPhone 11 right like the iPhone 8 is the forgotten iPhone.
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Who remembers anything about that phone?
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It's a good phone.
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Mary has one, my wife has one.
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It's an iPhone 10 inside.
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They still sell it.
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yeah, with the camera. And if you want touch ID, it's your last option. Although there's a rumor,
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do you see this that there was a rumor for an iPhone se early next year, based on the eight.
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So you know, like, you did that with the five s and the size went away and they bought it. So
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there may be hope still, but if you like that size, but $449 starts out now. It's a good deal.
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It's 64 gigabytes. So I think if you are on say you're on an iPhone six s or seven, I think if
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if you're going to buy a phone this year for the holiday season,
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the 10 R is a good deal now.
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Five ninety nine five ninety nine.
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But honestly, I think the eleven if you if you're really coming from a success,
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if you hold your phone that long, I'd say just do the eleven.
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Yeah, I if you can afford it, it is expensive. But
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it's like one of those things.
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If you go into six hundred, can you go to seven? Right.
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And for a lot of people, it's not going to be possible.
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But for a lot of people, if you've gotten that far, try and go that extra.
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You know, maybe you have a phone you can trade in.
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Apple loves a trade in and you can maybe get something for it.
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But but yeah, I'm going to be selling my phone's going to be moving on in the family.
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I will put it through Apple Care, though, get one of the because I have Apple Care on this phone.
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That screen needs to be replaced. It's covered in scratches.
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I it's within my right to change it for like 50 pounds or whatever.
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So I'm gonna do that and then then hand it over to a family member
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The tennis is the first phone a while. I haven't broken. I never broke a tennis. You wanna do it now. No
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Put on YouTube channel that happened with the you should we could make a viral video
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So like you go into the Apple store
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You pick up your new one and you just throw it on one on the ground that's been done about doesn't matter
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You can do it though. It's been three years since I've had a viral video
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- His Gate, is it still on your YouTube channel?
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It is still there.
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- You're still trying to rake in the ad revenue on it?
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- It was too short for an ads on.
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It was like 17 seconds or something.
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- You just, oh, you don't wanna lose the stats?
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What is it, why'd you keep it there?
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You just, you know, it's not the kind of person
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that would remove something?
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- Pretty much.
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- 1.6 million views.
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- Mm, that's what'll be on my tombstone.
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Are you watching the His Gate video?
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- I was saying with my 7 Plus,
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I broke a 7 Plus when my iPhone 10 was like in the mail to me.
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That was really disappointing.
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When you have to go to the Apple store
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and have your phone's gonna be placed
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the day before the new iPhone comes out.
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- Why'd you do it?
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- It's really depressing.
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It was like destroyed.
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And the 7 Plus was going to someone in the family.
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- And I didn't wanna hand it to them and be like,
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here's your new phone, I smashed it to pieces.
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I wanted to have them to have a fresh start.
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- Phone's still floating around in the family, still going.
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So I feel like we've both been pretty happy with the XS,
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but I feel like the 11 is gonna just make things better.
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- I'm sure the 11 will still get four.
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- It's, oh, there's nothing so perfect.
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- I'm really excited.
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I'm more excited about this phone than I was the XS.
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I mean, the last time I was as excited about a phone
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was the X and then probably,
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I mean, the 7 Plus was the first one with two cameras,
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But like, you know, the success plus is like, OK, cool.
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It won't be slow because it's very slow.
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The six plus was awful.
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No had a gigabyte of RAM and it was just really, really slow.
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Maybe wasn't it the first one?
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Yeah, but like we didn't notice it at the time because we were blown away.
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But as soon as you get the success plus, you're like, oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah. You know, like I remember towards the end,
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like when you pull down on a notification, it was like you'd have to wait.
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You just wait for everything to load.
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It's like there's a little man in there, like cranking the notification
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- Oh man, that got real bad.
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That phone was a little underwhelming.
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- No, it wasn't underwhelming, it was amazing.
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- Underpowered. - It was underpowered.
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- It was a big phone, the first big phone.
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All right, we're gonna wrap up talking
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So Apple Arcade was supposed to be launching on Thursday the 19th of tomorrow, but a couple of
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days ago it just appeared if you were running 13.1 on any device so it's available on the iPad if
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you're running it on the iPad which it was unsure if we were going to have to wait until like iPad
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OS officially shipped before Apple Arcade would be available but it is now you can go get it you
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sign up for $9.99 a month and the breadth of games available for this service currently is incredible
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It was kind of funny in a way. Developers did not know this was going to be happening.
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So Apple Arcade developers, I follow a lot of Apple Arcade companies that are making games for
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Apple Arcade on Twitter just because there's a lot of game makers that I'm interested in and
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have been interested in on Apple collection for years that are making games for this service.
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It was funny to watch them kind of reacting. I downloaded I think 45 games that I'm legitimately
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interested in trying. Holy moly. So that kind of shows the level. There are still games
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appearing on the service. So since the initial launch, there have been more games added and
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I haven't yet been able to go in and look at some of the more games that have been added
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because I still have so many that I want to just get through. And there's been a couple
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where I've opened them up, I've played them a little bit and I'm like, this one isn't
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for me. But I don't care because I'm finding games that I'm really enjoying. So I want
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to give you a couple of highlights of the games I've played so far. So Assemble with
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Care, this game was originally called Repair. It is from us two games who you may know from
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creating Monument Valley. It is a game that has Knolling involved which is, I know you
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love, which is the idea where you're taking things out and placing them down. You're basically
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repairing things and there's a big story element to the game as well. So the title character
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Maria she is a she fixes stuff and so you're fixing stuff so you unscrew things you would
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love this game I'm installing it right now because it's a game to repairing so if I've
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played all these games on my iPad by the way obviously not on my iPhone yet another game
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that I've been enjoying is card of darkness which is from Zach Gage who is responsible
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for many of my favorite iOS games of all time like flip-flop solitaire for example he worked
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with the creator of adventure time to create this game.
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card of darkness is fun but really very difficult but I've been playing that and I've liked
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sayonara wild hearts is unbelievable.
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this was the game that they showed, it was the third demo that they showed from anapunar
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interactive.
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I blacked out during the second one.
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it is a part fighting part rhythm game.
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the music is incredible.
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John Syracuse is losing his mind over this game, so if you like John's thoughts on these
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types of things, which he should because he's very good at this stuff, he can pick good
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games, this is one of them. It is absolutely fantastic.
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I've also put some time into Skate City which is a game that I've been wanting to play for
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years. Yeah, I've been playing that.
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It is published by the company behind the Altos Odyssey and Altos Adventures.
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It's beautiful. So it's, I'm really excited to put more time
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into this. Skate City feels like it will be more at home on my iPhone than my iPad.
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It's a, yeah, I've played it on both and it's much better on the phone.
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Yeah, so I haven't been able to do that yet, so I'm looking forward to that. But there's still
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a bunch of other games that I'm excited to try out. Overland is a game that I've had my eye on
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for a while, it's just come out for the Switch too. I actually played Overland at XOXO in like
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2016 or something. What the Golf is a game that ever, I've, this is my next game to try out.
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This is a game that I've seen many people say is making them laugh out loud.
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It is golf where, like, so for example, one of the parts of the trailer is you are pulling
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to flick the golf club, right?
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And as you strike, it's actually the person that flies the golf ball.
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So there's like a bunch of other stuff.
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There's lots and lots and lots of games.
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I said this before, it was my expectation, and now I've seen the breadth of games available.
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This is the best value for money of any subscription service that Apple offers.
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I can't believe it's only $5 a month.
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They have definitely exceeded my expectations with the types of games that they have available.
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They have a really good spread of weird indie games that wouldn't make sense or wouldn't
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make money, right? It will be difficult to make money to very deep games from a mini motorways
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is another one. If you play mini Metro, it's a sequel to mini Metro.
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I've been playing that. It's great.
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So like they have a very interesting spread of the types of games and the types of companies.
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If they keep this up, gaming on iOS has completely changed. If they're able to maintain this,
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They have fixed the model, they fixed it, from the IAP focused games to this.
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Now it is unknown at the moment exactly what the deals are for these companies.
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For as much as I've been able to put together from second hand people muttering things to
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me and people that I know that are smart in this industry who think they can work out
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what's going on, it seems a lot like Apple is just paying upfront money to companies
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to build games for them. It is unknown what that's going to look like going into the future
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if they're going to keep doing that. Or if they're going to start moving to... for as
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much as I'm able to understand, they are not doing what people thought they were, which
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was the amount of time played in a game means how much money you're going to make. It seems
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like that there is a pretty set fee for a lot of companies. But this might just be of
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the people that I've known, that's what they're dealing with. Maybe if you're a smaller developer,
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don't get that but Apple are the publisher of these games it's why the
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Apple Arcade logo shows up before anything else right they are fronting
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the money for companies to make these games it is unknown what this is gonna
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look like going forward Apple isn't talking about it obviously the
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developers can't talk about it we'll see but for as much as I've been able to
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piece together it seems like the companies that have been offered this
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deal they all wanted to do it because it was a good deal I think Apple if anything
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they're gonna have to work harder at that over time if they want to keep the
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pace up of new games every month but I imagine that they get in more pitches
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than they can handle right now yeah probably but I think in the long term I
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would imagine that they'll be fitting the bill for quite some time yeah but I
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I am very, very, very excited about digging into more and more of these games as time
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And it's now going to be the only place I'm looking for new games.
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So I always spend time looking for games on the App Store, right?
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Because I love games on iOS.
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I will now be going first to the Apple Arcade tab.
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Yeah, because any other game is either going to be pay up front or it's going to nag you
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economics it's because I'm already paying for this service so I may as well
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go there first because in theory I already own these games I've paid for
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these games I have noticed something which is frustrating to me I have on my
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iPads the setting turned on to download apps automatically does not work with
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Apple Arcade right now on the 13.1 beta what if you download it on one device
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it's on that one device it doesn't download to the other device hmm did you
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see Game Centers leaning into Memoji did you get presented that yes yeah it's
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like we right that's like that's how you create your icon for the switch. I forgot Game Center was still around.
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Yeah I think Game Center is important for this there's a lot I've noticed a lot of games have
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achievements which is funny. Yeah and I played one called Agent Intercept mm-hmm car racing type game
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and they only unlock new levels every set number of hours and I just instantly got frustrated with
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that and like took it off because if I'm like into a game I want to keep playing it. Wait what? So like
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you could play level one and level two would be unlocked in five hours.
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Why? It's dumb, it's a bad decision because... Is it part of the game mechanic? Not that I can tell,
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like it's not like the thing happens five hours later in the game. They want you to keep coming
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back, want to send me push notifications, I was like this is not what I want from this. So this
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is, so I've seen a few games like this. If I'm into something, as someone who doesn't play mobile
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games hardly at all, I was actually into it, I want to keep going and then I couldn't for three
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hours like well forget this. That is really weird I mean I've seen some of
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this though where there are games that were clearly made for the in-app
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purchase idea that have been brought over to Apple Arcade. This may have been that. And that they are
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basically they are being retrofit so like the Frogger game was obvious right
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like I spoke about this a couple of weeks ago if you have costumes for a
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character in a game you're supposed to buy the costume yep so there is some
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stuff like this where there's like these remnants of a previous business model
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that one is particularly weird I have that game downloaded I want to see what
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is going on with that because that's very off-putting it is because why yeah if
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there was a reason like there could be a legitimate gameplay reason to do this
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where it's like they're trying to make it feel more immersive right so it's
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like oh you have to come back during these hours to complete the mission
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Right? Like there are games that do stuff like that and it can be a thing.
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But if it's just like, no, we're on looking for out why I already own you.
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Give me the levels. Exactly.
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So, yeah, all in all, I think Apple Arcade is off to a really good start.
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I really think it's going to be, but it will be popular.
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Almost by default, because it's a tab in the app store,
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which is a big deal and with a 30 day free trial and it's five dollars a month.
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and if you have iCloud family sharing turn like we do,
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my spouse and children can play it too,
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I think this is going to be a big hit. And so far,
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even as someone who doesn't play a lot of games, I'm impressed.
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And I've gone back through today looking for new things and a couple types of
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games I would like to have that aren't there yet.
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I'm excited. I did not expect to be so enthusiastic about this.
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Good, I'm pleased because that's the point, right? That's what they
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need to be doing is if they can capture people like you, it
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It will help them try and change the economics of gaming in the App Store a bit.
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Alright, I think that does it for this week's in-person episode of Connected.
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But if you enjoy listening to us together, there's so much more available to you this
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Six hours, in fact!
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You want to be there, it's going to be amazing.
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We've got a lot of stuff planned.
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I have a nice jacket.
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We have got some fun things we're working on.
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I said it relay a moment ago,
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Federico is not here this week,
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but his iOS 13 review, iPad, OS 13 review,
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will be up this week,
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so be sure to check out macstories.net tomorrow, and--
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- And block off your weekend.
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- Yeah, call in sick on Friday.
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- 'Cause you're busy Friday,
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we've got Federico in the morning,
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you got us in the evening, just take a long weekend.
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- Yeah, it's fine by us.
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We'll sign the doctor's note.
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So be sure to look for that.
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It's genuinely awesome and I'm very happy and proud
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And until next time, Myke, say goodbye.