Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 270.

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00:00:18 ◼   ► My name is Steven Hackett

00:00:19 ◼   ► and I am joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.

00:00:21 ◼   ► - Hello, Steven Hackett, how are you?

00:00:23 ◼   ► - I'm good, I'm good today, how are you?

00:00:26 ◼   ► - I'm fine, I'm just playing Pokemon all day,

00:00:28 ◼   ► That's what I do now. That's my job now.

00:00:30 ◼   ► Are you doing it right now?

00:00:32 ◼   ► Well, not right now.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Okay. I appreciate that.

00:00:34 ◼   ► I can if you want me to.

00:00:35 ◼   ► No, no, we have stuff to talk about.

00:00:36 ◼   ► Okay. All right. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.

00:00:38 ◼   ► You can do both.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Find you a Federico that can do both.

00:00:41 ◼   ► See, I knew he was gonna say that.

00:00:45 ◼   ► He's the guy, you know,

00:00:47 ◼   ► this person that just spoke on the show,

00:00:49 ◼   ► the guy that has a Nintendo Switch during podcasts,

00:00:53 ◼   ► like a professional.

00:00:54 ◼   ► I have done it in the past.

00:00:58 ◼   ► That's all I'm gonna say, not on this show.

00:01:01 ◼   ► - Sure.

00:01:02 ◼   ► And because I got in trouble for not introducing somebody

00:01:04 ◼   ► who spoke before they were introduced,

00:01:06 ◼   ► that of course is Myke Hurley.

00:01:08 ◼   ► - Hello. - Hey.

00:01:09 ◼   ► - Governor.

00:01:10 ◼   ► - See, you can do it.

00:01:12 ◼   ► See, you know how to do it, Steven.

00:01:14 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:01:15 ◼   ► - That's how you do it.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:01:17 ◼   ► - You can't wait to do it.

00:01:18 ◼   ► - I can't wait to do it.

00:01:19 ◼   ► We have sort of a weird topic today.

00:01:22 ◼   ► So if you look into your podcast app,

00:01:24 ◼   ► you're gonna see that this episode has like 37 chapters

00:01:27 ◼   ► because this is a week of a bunch of small stories

00:01:29 ◼   ► that we're sort of,

00:01:31 ◼   ► we're just gonna touch base on a lot of things.

00:01:33 ◼   ► But we're gonna start with follow-up.

00:01:35 ◼   ► And Myke, you as the PopSocket enthusiast

00:01:38 ◼   ► were assigned homework to check out

00:01:40 ◼   ► the OtterBox PopSocket case we spoke about.

00:01:43 ◼   ► How is, how's that gone?

00:01:45 ◼   ► - So the colors, you remember my main issue

00:01:49 ◼   ► last episode was that the color names

00:01:51 ◼   ► were bananas considering the colors of the cases

00:01:54 ◼   ► that they were showing on Apple's website.

00:01:57 ◼   ► I would say the colors are a little bit more realistic to the names, but are still like

00:02:01 ◼   ► I have the blue one, but it's definitely purple still.

00:02:03 ◼   ► Sure.

00:02:04 ◼   ► You know, but it's more it's more darker in color than they look on the website.

00:02:11 ◼   ► Okay.

00:02:12 ◼   ► And I've been using it for the best part of a week.

00:02:17 ◼   ► And I think I'm going to keep it.

00:02:18 ◼   ► I think I'm going to keep keep this case now.

00:02:21 ◼   ► A silicone case.

00:02:23 ◼   ► So it's nice and grippy.

00:02:24 ◼   ► like the Apple silicon case, but you can actually put pop sockets on it because the Apple silicon

00:02:28 ◼   ► case, uh, with most pop sockets, it struggles to grip. Um, which is why pop socket released

00:02:34 ◼   ► this like thing that you can also buy on Apple store, which is like, uh, basically like a

00:02:39 ◼   ► belt for an iPhone, um, that you can put a pop socket on. I'm going to, I'm going to

00:02:46 ◼   ► need a link to this. Let's see. Pop socket belt. See that. Don't it's not called that.

00:02:53 ◼   ► Oh, but it showed up. Look at that.

00:02:55 ◼   ► Okay, good.

00:02:56 ◼   ► The pop, grip, slide...

00:02:58 ◼   ► Pop, grip, slide.

00:02:59 ◼   ► That's what it's called.

00:03:00 ◼   ► Why do they need so many names?

00:03:01 ◼   ► Pop, grip, slide...

00:03:02 ◼   ► It's like one of those songs from the 90s that had a dance attached to it.

00:03:07 ◼   ► You know?

00:03:08 ◼   ► Like the Cha Cha Slide or the Macarena or whatever.

00:03:11 ◼   ► I know the Macarena. I don't know the other one.

00:03:13 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

00:03:14 ◼   ► I think that...

00:03:15 ◼   ► Are you saying the pop, grip and slide should be a dance?

00:03:18 ◼   ► I think it could be.

00:03:21 ◼   ► The Cha Cha Slide was more complicated than the Macarena, but more fun than the Macarena.

00:03:26 ◼   ► That's that's my unexpected review of 90s group dances.

00:03:31 ◼   ► So you're saying it's like a hipster dance because it's not mainstream as the Macarena?

00:03:35 ◼   ► No, they're very mainstream.

00:03:37 ◼   ► But I think that the Cha Cha Slide was more famous in America than the Macarena was.

00:03:42 ◼   ► But anyway, I see that it has one kind of design thing that I get in a lot of cases,

00:03:48 ◼   ► which I thought was going to be more of a problem than it's turned out to be,

00:03:51 ◼   ► which is that the, you know, you on a silicone case,

00:03:53 ◼   ► well basically in all cases, they have this kind of lip that goes around the edge,

00:03:57 ◼   ► right? Which is like kind of protects the screen from touching surfaces.

00:04:00 ◼   ► On the pop socket case, uh, it goes all the way around.

00:04:06 ◼   ► It doesn't cut off at the bottom like Apple's cases does.

00:04:08 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:04:09 ◼   ► And with some cases, uh, in some cases with some cases I have had issues,

00:04:15 ◼   ► thank you.

00:04:15 ◼   ► I've had issues with it getting in the way of the swipe gestures on the iPhone, but I

00:04:22 ◼   ► have noticed that with this case, I've not had so much of a problem.

00:04:26 ◼   ► Maybe it's not as pronounced as other cases that I've used or whatever, but I thought

00:04:30 ◼   ► I was going to have a problem, but it hasn't been a problem for me.

00:04:33 ◼   ► I got used to that very quickly.

00:04:35 ◼   ► I like that I, because PopSocket kind of changed a bunch of stuff with their business, right?

00:04:41 ◼   ► The way that they do things, and instead of it being this one thing, we've now got the

00:04:45 ◼   ► detachable tops to the pop sockets, which is how they get around the wireless charging

00:04:49 ◼   ► thing, right? Like you take the pop socket off, but there's like a little thing still

00:04:52 ◼   ► stuck to the phone. This is built into the case, right? So it's just like a mount for

00:04:56 ◼   ► pop sockets to go onto. So I liked that I could take off the boring blue one and put

00:05:01 ◼   ► my enamel solar system one on it. So I was able to put my own pop socket on it. The only

00:05:07 ◼   ► downside I've had is I keep finding that I'm picking up my phone upside down because there's

00:05:13 ◼   ► There's no visual thing anymore.

00:05:17 ◼   ► The case goes all the way around, right?

00:05:20 ◼   ► So I have, like with the old case, there was a visual break at the bottom, right?

00:05:26 ◼   ► Which is kind of where the case would end, right?

00:05:29 ◼   ► That doesn't look like that, so when the phone is, the screen is off, it can be difficult

00:05:33 ◼   ► for me at a glance to like work out whether my phone is the right way up or not.

00:05:38 ◼   ► Which sounds like something that would be impossible to observe, which I agree with,

00:05:43 ◼   ► but what I'm noticing is I'm picking up my phone upside down a lot and I didn't do that

00:05:47 ◼   ► before.

00:05:48 ◼   ► So I would have not known that that was a problem except for the fact that it's happening

00:05:52 ◼   ► to me.

00:05:53 ◼   ► You understand what I'm saying?

00:05:55 ◼   ► Like I never would have thought that that would have been a problem with the case.

00:05:57 ◼   ► Like, that's not going to be an issue, but I keep picking up my phone upside down because

00:06:01 ◼   ► I keep holding my phone up and it doesn't come on.

00:06:04 ◼   ► It's because the raise to wake doesn't work upside down, which is another thing that I've

00:06:08 ◼   ► But I like the case. I am over needing to see the green of my iPhone now, right?

00:06:15 ◼   ► Like I wanted to use the clear case because I wanted to see the green color, but I don't need that anymore.

00:06:20 ◼   ► I'm used to it. So now I'm happy to branch out into different cases.

00:06:23 ◼   ► And I like this case. I've always liked silicone cases. And this one has the PopSocket built in.

00:06:28 ◼   ► The PopSocket is slightly lower on the case than I would want, but I was able to get used to that very quickly.

00:06:34 ◼   ► So yeah, I am now living the OtterBox PopSocket case lifestyle.

00:06:38 ◼   ► Let me go on a bit of a tangent here.

00:06:40 ◼   ► I would love a tangent.

00:06:42 ◼   ► About cases.

00:06:44 ◼   ► You just, Alex Cox just joined the chat, right?

00:06:47 ◼   ► Like she's, they are big on this.

00:06:50 ◼   ► It's not about the battery case.

00:06:53 ◼   ► But, so this story begins, it's a very short story.

00:06:56 ◼   ► Because I use the Twitter app, the official Twitter app,

00:06:59 ◼   ► And I often use the "home" timeline, which is the algorithmic timeline,

00:07:04 ◼   ► especially these days that I'm playing Pokemon Sword all day and I sort of need a quick way to catch up on Twitter,

00:07:10 ◼   ► so I switch from "latest" to "home". And when I switch to "home", I'm exposed to all kinds of

00:07:16 ◼   ► different things that go beyond the chronological order of tweets.

00:07:20 ◼   ► And yesterday, one of them was a thread in which John Gruber was participating

00:07:28 ◼   ► About iPhone cases and so because of the of the Twitter app I saw this tweet from John

00:07:35 ◼   ► in response to

00:07:37 ◼   ► This person named Greg

00:07:40 ◼   ► He's a you guys know the Greg I'm talking about

00:07:44 ◼   ► he writes about like manufacturing and stuff about Apple and materials and like

00:07:51 ◼   ► Industrial design. Yeah, you know, of course, you know the guy right sure

00:07:55 ◼   ► I cannot remember this last name. But still, Gruber mentioned this case. It's called the

00:08:00 ◼   ► Pitaka iPhone Cover case. It's made of aramid fiber. It's like...

00:08:09 ◼   ► What is that? I don't know. So in theory it should be some

00:08:12 ◼   ► kind of Kevlar, I think. It's like aramid fiber. I don't know. But it's super thin.

00:08:18 ◼   ► We're all getting our tactical EDC phone cases ready to go out into the wild and punch a

00:08:22 ◼   ► bear. It says aramid fiber bulletproof case.

00:08:24 ◼   ► Oh, geez.

00:08:25 ◼   ► Ultra thin.

00:08:26 ◼   ► Oh, God.

00:08:27 ◼   ► And so I went to the website, to this Pitaka website.

00:08:32 ◼   ► Pitaka does sound like a Pokémon, by the way, but it's not.

00:08:35 ◼   ► It's a brand.

00:08:36 ◼   ► Everything sounds like a Pokémon if you look hard enough.

00:08:40 ◼   ► And it's, I mean, it is super thin, and in theory, super durable.

00:08:43 ◼   ► It's got this cool looking texture on the back.

00:08:46 ◼   ► It's got a texture.

00:08:49 ◼   ► I don't like that look.

00:08:50 ◼   ► Well, I believe it is cool looking.

00:08:53 ◼   ► I mean, you like purple and yellow cases.

00:08:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause I like color.

00:08:57 ◼   ► Carbon fiber looking things are of a particular taste,

00:09:02 ◼   ► I think. - Okay.

00:09:03 ◼   ► I am a man of particular taste. - In this image,

00:09:04 ◼   ► it has like a knife scratching the phone.

00:09:07 ◼   ► That's a tiny knife by scale.

00:09:09 ◼   ► - Yes, you can scratch-- - World's smallest knife.

00:09:11 ◼   ► - You can scratch this case with a knife if you want to.

00:09:15 ◼   ► - The blade of the knife is about the same size

00:09:17 ◼   ► as the camera square.

00:09:18 ◼   ► - You know, sometimes you're cooking--

00:09:21 ◼   ► - You need a small knife.

00:09:22 ◼   ► Sometimes you're cooking with a small knife and accidentally, instead of chopping zucchini,

00:09:27 ◼   ► you're chopping your iPhone.

00:09:28 ◼   ► Oopsies.

00:09:29 ◼   ► Well, with this case, it won't happen.

00:09:31 ◼   ► You won't chop it because it's got the aramid fiber going on in the back.

00:09:35 ◼   ► So still, I bought it from Amazon and it's coming tomorrow, so I guess I'll have follow-up

00:09:40 ◼   ► next week.

00:09:41 ◼   ► Well, this is going to go on for a while, isn't it?

00:09:44 ◼   ► This round robin of cases that we're doing.

00:09:46 ◼   ► I'm still using, by the way, the wallet case is a must-have for now.

00:09:50 ◼   ► Every time I go out, I slip on the wallet case. I'm still using the, like in regular

00:09:55 ◼   ► usage, the leather Bellroy case, but I'm happy to switch things up a little, you know.

00:10:01 ◼   ► So I got this aramid fiber case.

00:10:04 ◼   ► -

00:10:04 ◼   ► - I look forward to when your phone can go faster because it's made of carbon fiber.

00:10:08 ◼   ► - It'll go faster, it'll survive bullets, knives... - And tiny knives.

00:10:13 ◼   ► - I'm ready for all kinds of attacks, man. Just come, you know, putting the phone on my chest,

00:10:19 ◼   ► as a like a little body armor thing. - Wow.

00:10:23 ◼   ► - Yeah. And it leaves, oh by the way, it leaves all the buttons uncovered. So the volume buttons

00:10:29 ◼   ► and the silent switcher, they are not protected by the case, so they're easier to access,

00:10:35 ◼   ► in theory. So we'll see how it goes. I have some good news. Was this not good news?

00:10:40 ◼   ► Federico Christmas trees, it's back. I don't even remember what this is about.

00:10:48 ◼   ► It's my side gig in Ohio, right? How did this start? How did this start?

00:10:56 ◼   ► Why do you guys know that I bought property in Ohio a few years back?

00:10:59 ◼   ► You sell Christmas trees under the name "Frederico Christmas Trees".

00:11:02 ◼   ► How did this begin?

00:11:03 ◼   ► Can anyone remember?

00:11:04 ◼   ► A few years ago I bought property in Ohio on 440 South State Street in Orem.

00:11:18 ◼   ► Yeah, it was a good investment.

00:11:20 ◼   ► What state is that in out of interest?

00:11:23 ◼   ► clearly the beautiful state of Ohio in America. Are you sure it's not Utah? Let's see. Let's

00:11:31 ◼   ► look at the website. It's Utah. Well, I must be confused because I bought a bunch of properties.

00:11:39 ◼   ► A bunch of property. All in places called Orem. It's definitely Utah. I meant Utah.

00:11:47 ◼   ► I'm sorry my geography, you know, as an English. I'm just a guy from Italy making the investment,

00:11:55 ◼   ► you know. Yeah, so you sell Christmas trees. They're called the Rico Christmas trees on

00:12:05 ◼   ► Instagram. Frederico. The extra R for really good trees. It's my American name with an

00:12:11 ◼   ► extra R. And yeah, we have a very active Instagram account. Yeah, 87 followers.

00:12:19 ◼   ► Which I think comprised of mostly listeners of this show. But can anyone remember why

00:12:24 ◼   ► this first came up? Can anyone remember?

00:12:26 ◼   ► No. Okay. So here's, here's what we'll do. We'll leave it to the audience. Someone tell

00:12:30 ◼   ► us when this first came up. I'm looking at you underscore and we'll follow up next week

00:12:35 ◼   ► about this.

00:12:36 ◼   ► But this is a thing that came up. I really enjoy how bold Frederico Christmas trees has gotten

00:12:41 ◼   ► in their Instagram posts this year. It's almost time for the trees from Oregon, Washington,

00:12:47 ◼   ► Montana and Wisconsin. No one has our selection of variety, big or small. We have it all.

00:12:52 ◼   ► Nobody has them.

00:12:53 ◼   ► Good work, Federico, on your work there.

00:12:55 ◼   ► Yeah, and especially if you go on the website, you can see that we have all kinds of...

00:12:59 ◼   ► How do you say this? F-f-fur?

00:13:02 ◼   ► You should know if you're in the business.

00:13:06 ◼   ► Well, you know, I'm just a poor guy from Italy.

00:13:10 ◼   ► They're not made of pasta, are they? What am I supposed to do?

00:13:14 ◼   ► We have the Norman fur, the Fraser fur, the Grant fur. So, yeah. Go to the website, buy

00:13:22 ◼   ► a tree.

00:13:23 ◼   ► fredericochristmastrees.com

00:13:25 ◼   ► I mean, if you go to the testimonials page, people love us. Ryan Wilkinson said, "Can't

00:13:30 ◼   ► say enough good things." Frederico says, "The best trees in the country, hands down."

00:13:34 ◼   ► Hands down. I wonder if that person had tried all the trees in the country before they made

00:13:40 ◼   ► that statement.

00:13:41 ◼   ► Matthew Pulsifer, which is most definitely a fake name, said "the most beautiful Christmas

00:13:47 ◼   ► tree we've ever had".

00:13:48 ◼   ► Why are you saying it's a fake name? You should say it's a real name.

00:13:51 ◼   ► This one does sound like a Pokemon Pulsifer. Like an electric water type thing.

00:13:58 ◼   ► There's an anonymous quote. This is our third tree from you this season. Who's buying three

00:14:02 ◼   ► Christmas trees?

00:14:03 ◼   ► Well if you have three properties like me one in Italy one in Ohio one in Utah you buy three of them

00:14:09 ◼   ► Thanks for always loading the trees in slash on our cars

00:14:13 ◼   ► Several a lot of questions how you're transporting these trees in the in or on the cars. It's very clear

00:14:19 ◼   ► Just put it in the back seat. It'll be fine

00:14:21 ◼   ► Well I'm glad your business is back if you don't remember what that joke was about I apologize for what we've just

00:14:30 ◼   ► Well, or listen next week when we explain the joke that we can't remember how it started.

00:14:34 ◼   ► Underscore has joined the chat room.

00:14:37 ◼   ► Oh, he actually has. That's not a joke. He actually did join the IRC.

00:14:41 ◼   ► So we may soon have an answer to our query.

00:14:44 ◼   ► So we may do some real-time follow-up. Before we do, Myke, tell us about Claris Connect.

00:14:50 ◼   ► You remember our good old friend FileMaker who became Claris after previously being known as Claris

00:14:56 ◼   ► and then became FileMaker and became a wholly owned subsidiary of Apple, but now they're

00:15:01 ◼   ► still that subsidiary, but now they're Claris Connect of a new CEO. Everyone remembers that.

00:15:06 ◼   ► They were launching a product called Claris Connect. It is out now in beta and it's basically

00:15:11 ◼   ► the platform we spoke about a while ago. It seems to be a competitor of IFTTT and Zapier,

00:15:17 ◼   ► probably aimed more at the, I think it's aimed more at the, not the consumer market, the

00:15:24 ◼   ► opposite of that, the professional market, the corporate world, because from the 9 to

00:15:28 ◼   ► 5 Mac article, the quote that they've chosen to include starts with "designed to tap into

00:15:35 ◼   ► the ever-expanding PaaS market." I don't know what that is, something as a service, platform

00:15:41 ◼   ► as a service maybe? I don't know. But that would suggest to you that considering using

00:15:45 ◼   ► the acronym PAAS, then it's probably not for me or you. It's invite only, it's launching

00:15:50 ◼   ► in 2020. I am very keen to see what kind of company Claros becomes at this point. It's

00:15:56 ◼   ► fascinating. Just this little company inside of Apple making its way out, you know, making

00:16:02 ◼   ► its way downtown, walking fast, that kind of thing. Off it goes.

00:16:05 ◼   ► I got that reference.

00:16:07 ◼   ► Thanks. I don't know where it came from, but I did it anyway.

00:16:10 ◼   ► They call it the reverse Casey. I want to take a little time to just share some ways that I

00:16:17 ◼   ► I have served my fellow human in the last couple of weeks.

00:16:20 ◼   ► You know, I'm a man of the people that's caught.

00:16:23 ◼   ► People come up to me on the street and say, sir, you are a man of the people.

00:16:27 ◼   ► That's what you're going with all the time. Is this your power fantasy?

00:16:31 ◼   ► That's real. Totally real.

00:16:34 ◼   ► I got this tweet from Rob saying that they were showing pictures of my mat

00:16:39 ◼   ► collection in their PhD seminar today,

00:16:42 ◼   ► talking about brand communities. And, uh, you know,

00:16:46 ◼   ► I'm just helping contribute to the next generation

00:16:48 ◼   ► of educators.

00:16:50 ◼   ► - I guess I just wanna know from this tweet,

00:16:52 ◼   ► I know what the Mac is, what is Saab?

00:16:57 ◼   ► - It was a car company that a lot of people

00:16:59 ◼   ► were really into.

00:17:00 ◼   ► I think they were from Europe, Sweden maybe?

00:17:05 ◼   ► Anyways, they went bankrupt like 10 years ago,

00:17:07 ◼   ► and there were a lot of people who were like big Saab fans,

00:17:10 ◼   ► and who kept the cars going, and like,

00:17:12 ◼   ► sourced a bunch of parts, so it's like a community

00:17:14 ◼   ► of enthusiasts around this car brand.

00:17:16 ◼   ► So it's a bunch of people who are really into it.

00:17:21 ◼   ► - So like the guys at ATP, basically.

00:17:24 ◼   ► - Yes, yeah, they're all big Saab fans.

00:17:26 ◼   ► So I'm just helping Rob teach future educators.

00:17:30 ◼   ► So in a way, I am teaching an entire generation of children

00:17:34 ◼   ► about brand communities.

00:17:37 ◼   ► That's all I've ever wanted.

00:17:39 ◼   ► - Sure, good job.

00:17:41 ◼   ► - Do you guys have any questions about my good works?

00:17:44 ◼   ► how it feels to be so amazing,

00:17:45 ◼   ► or how you could one day hope to help people.

00:17:49 ◼   ► - What does your family think of this, Stephen?

00:17:51 ◼   ► - You know, I don't like to, I'm not one to brag.

00:17:55 ◼   ► So I just share my excellence with you, the two of you,

00:17:58 ◼   ► and I don't bother my family with it.

00:17:59 ◼   ► - And a few thousands other people, cool, okay.

00:18:02 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:18:03 ◼   ► - I don't know, I thought it was kind of funny.

00:18:05 ◼   ► I didn't know that brain community

00:18:07 ◼   ► was a thing people studied, but apparently it is.

00:18:09 ◼   ► - Me neither, yeah, honestly this is cool,

00:18:12 ◼   ► this is pretty cool, it's a good job.

00:18:13 ◼   ► I've also helped people who are afraid to upgrade to Mac OS Catalina for fear that their iPods would break as you guys probably remember the

00:18:21 ◼   ► iTunes death the birth of the music app and podcasts on TV in that

00:18:27 ◼   ► shuffle Apple added the iPods and except to finder taking it out of the the music app and

00:18:33 ◼   ► I decided you know, I said see how far back the support goes

00:18:38 ◼   ► I sort of did a video about that that I published earlier this week that we haven't seen I think it's I think it's pretty

00:18:43 ◼   ► fun. You get to see me build a dongle to attach my Thunderbolt 3 MacBook Pro to the original iPod,

00:18:48 ◼   ► which is FireWire 400, which was quite an adventure putting that chain of dongles together.

00:18:55 ◼   ► Again, helping people.

00:18:56 ◼   ► I come back to the show. I've been gone for a minute. I come back to the show with the answer

00:19:02 ◼   ► to the question that we wanted provided via David Smith, of course. So during an intro one day,

00:19:10 ◼   ► Stephen called me Michael the idea of

00:19:13 ◼   ► Frederico came up again

00:19:15 ◼   ► It's just like a way of expanding

00:19:17 ◼   ► Federico's name to make it longer then Kyle just pasted a link in the chat room to Frederico Christmas trees

00:19:23 ◼   ► And then the legend was born. This is episode

00:19:26 ◼   ► 161 from September 2017 Kyle's from Utah

00:19:31 ◼   ► So maybe cut maybe Kyle bought three Christmas trees from them a comment on their website. This is all very possible. Mm-hmm

00:19:38 ◼   ► The answer has been given via the Oracle underscore David Smith. Thank you underscore

00:19:44 ◼   ► It's kind of incredible that he did just appear out of nowhere and provide the answer. Isn't that I think so

00:19:49 ◼   ► I think he listens like kind of mad. Well, yeah, but like it's not the chat

00:19:54 ◼   ► I don't know how he did that. You know, yeah, he has ways right like at that speed he searches like thanks

00:20:00 ◼   ► He's like it's like the podcast genie like you grab your microphone three times and David Smith appears. Yes grants you a wish

00:20:07 ◼   ► He does like blue and the genie is blue. So sure you go, you know think about it

00:20:13 ◼   ► I just searched relay FM Christmas tree on Google and there's more

00:20:17 ◼   ► There's there's more results than you would think there would be look. It's a serious business. All right

00:20:24 ◼   ► Trust me. I got a lot of money tied up in this we are we have an established presence in the community and

00:20:30 ◼   ► Christmas tree community we in the Utah community in Orem. Ah

00:20:36 ◼   ► Oh yeah, or I'm in Ohio. We bring joy to all kinds of families every year with our trees.

00:20:43 ◼   ► Joy to the world. Yeah.

00:20:46 ◼   ► I enjoyed Steven's video very much. It was weird. Like all of Steven's best videos.

00:20:51 ◼   ► Oh dear, Huawei Mate X is on sale by the way, just so you know.

00:20:58 ◼   ► Only in China for $2,400. So I don't think that that thing is...

00:21:04 ◼   ► You gonna buy one?

00:21:05 ◼   ► I don't think, well I guess it's possible to import it.

00:21:08 ◼   ► Right now the reason this is on sale only in China is because they can't sell it outside

00:21:13 ◼   ► of China.

00:21:14 ◼   ► Huawei's been slapped around by governments all over the world.

00:21:17 ◼   ► It won't have any Google Play services on it, so it's effectively useless outside of

00:21:22 ◼   ► China.

00:21:23 ◼   ► Huawei's kind of building up their own set of technologies, like they have a store and

00:21:28 ◼   ► stuff, but they're really kind of focusing on the Chinese market for that right now.

00:21:32 ◼   ► But what I will assume and what I'm excited about is there will be YouTubers that will

00:21:37 ◼   ► import this thing and will be able to use it and show it off.

00:21:41 ◼   ► So I'm looking forward to those videos because I assume that this thing is going to be an

00:21:45 ◼   ► absolute disaster.

00:21:48 ◼   ► And I'm very intrigued to see it.

00:21:49 ◼   ► It folds around the outside, right?

00:21:51 ◼   ► So it's the inside-out version of your phone.

00:21:54 ◼   ► Which just seems like a bad idea.

00:21:57 ◼   ► If you remember, well everyone thought it was great at the time, but I knew it was a

00:22:00 ◼   ► bad idea and I said it and and history has proven me to be correct but you

00:22:06 ◼   ► can't use a soft plastic screen as the outside protection for the phone it's

00:22:11 ◼   ► madness madness I say yeah the bread butter toast down butter side down every

00:22:18 ◼   ► time I have extremely important real-time follow-up guys oh my god how

00:22:23 ◼   ► this episode is gonna go forever extremely important real-time follow-up

00:22:28 ◼   ► According to 9to5Mac, the smart battery case for the iPhone 11 is out.

00:22:32 ◼   ► Oh!

00:22:33 ◼   ► And it is on Apple.com!

00:22:34 ◼   ► It's all coming up Alex Cox today.

00:22:37 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:22:38 ◼   ► Let's see.

00:22:39 ◼   ► iPhone, accessories...

00:22:41 ◼   ► I can send you the link in the chat, and sure enough, it's on Apple.com.

00:22:50 ◼   ► And uh...

00:22:51 ◼   ► Best part of the show is when everybody goes quiet.

00:22:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:56 ◼   ► Because we're all searching for battery cases.

00:22:58 ◼   ► I can't find it.

00:22:59 ◼   ► Oh, the case features a dedicated camera button.

00:23:03 ◼   ► The launch is the camera app.

00:23:04 ◼   ► Oh my god.

00:23:05 ◼   ► Oh!

00:23:06 ◼   ► Oh my god!

00:23:07 ◼   ► Come on, Apple!

00:23:08 ◼   ► A quick press of the button takes a photo, and a longer press captures quick take video.

00:23:13 ◼   ► What?

00:23:14 ◼   ► What are you doing?

00:23:15 ◼   ► Okay, I'm gonna buy one.

00:23:17 ◼   ► And purchase.

00:23:18 ◼   ► How dare you?

00:23:19 ◼   ► How dare you, Apple?

00:23:22 ◼   ► Tempt me.

00:23:23 ◼   ► I'm doing it.

00:23:24 ◼   ► There's a color, black and white, and there's a new color called pink sand, which looks

00:23:27 ◼   ► very nice. Did they not have a pink one a while ago? I don't think the last one did.

00:23:32 ◼   ► I don't think they did in the battery case. I think they did in their regular cases. That

00:23:36 ◼   ► pink would look really nice with the green I think. Well that's what we're going to find

00:23:40 ◼   ► out gentlemen because that's what I'm going to order. Good. I don't want this! But they've...

00:23:45 ◼   ► I know it was so angrily said that before. Should I get a white one or should I get a

00:23:50 ◼   ► pink sand one? I think the white one would look gross over time. Why'd they go to add

00:23:54 ◼   ► new features to it for. It's got the button man, I gotta use it, I wanna click that button.

00:24:01 ◼   ► Camera button. I need to feel the camera button. Whether the phone is locked or unlocked. Man

00:24:07 ◼   ► I need to click that button. It's like your correct Apple, the way that you have implemented

00:24:12 ◼   ► the current camera shortcut with the new phone, it's terrible, you are right for noticing

00:24:17 ◼   ► that. They shipped a whole case instead of fixing it in software. This is how you fix

00:24:22 ◼   ► it with a hardware solution. Everybody knows that's the best way to fix things.

00:24:26 ◼   ► Should I go pink or black? I'm going pink.

00:24:30 ◼   ► You're going pink? Yeah.

00:24:31 ◼   ► Nobody's going white, right? No.

00:24:35 ◼   ► I feel like white would just get dirty, like and that's what you're left with, you know?

00:24:39 ◼   ► All right, it's done. I ordered a black one because I am interested in this,

00:24:45 ◼   ► not just because of the button. I mean, I will use it when I travel,

00:24:48 ◼   ► like the same reason that I used the last one, you know?

00:24:51 ◼   ► I'll be keen to see if I can get a pop socket on it.

00:24:54 ◼   ► They should have a camera button on the iPhone.

00:24:58 ◼   ► They should build a pop socket into the case for funsies. Let's just go wild to this thing.

00:25:02 ◼   ► The pop socket itself should be a battery. Like it should be a battery that you grip.

00:25:07 ◼   ► Oh that sounds like a terribly dangerous thing.

00:25:09 ◼   ► Well there you go.

00:25:15 ◼   ► I think I'm going black.

00:25:16 ◼   ► Should we take our first break now?

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00:27:11 ◼   ► - As pointed out by Underscore in the chat room,

00:27:14 ◼   ► who is basically a guest on this week's episode,

00:27:16 ◼   ► interestingly, the camera button is like on the bottom,

00:27:21 ◼   ► right, so it's kind of optimized for landscape use,

00:27:25 ◼   ► would be the assumption on that, right?

00:27:26 ◼   ► - No, you shouldn't take vertical pictures.

00:27:29 ◼   ► - Yes, you should.

00:27:30 ◼   ► - No, they're bad.

00:27:31 ◼   ► - You do it all the time for Instagram stories.

00:27:33 ◼   ► - This is not a topic for today,

00:27:37 ◼   ► but I'm pretty close to being done with the old Instagram.

00:27:41 ◼   ► - Well, that's fine, but you've still used it in the past.

00:27:44 ◼   ► - Sure.

00:27:45 ◼   ► - We can come back to that

00:27:45 ◼   ► when you finally made your decision.

00:27:47 ◼   ► - The young people use it for TikTok

00:27:49 ◼   ► to create content for the Chinese government,

00:27:50 ◼   ► but it's fine.

00:27:52 ◼   ► We had-- - Oh, wow.

00:27:54 ◼   ► You've got all the opinions today.

00:27:56 ◼   ► I mean, you're just gonna--

00:27:57 ◼   ► - She just lit it right there.

00:27:58 ◼   ► - Just gonna drive by on that one.

00:28:01 ◼   ► - Very casually right in there.

00:28:02 ◼   ► - Thanks, that was awesome.

00:28:03 ◼   ► - You can email any feedback about that to CaseyLiss.

00:28:07 ◼   ► He's welcome.

00:28:08 ◼   ► - He's really, Casey's the one with the originator

00:28:10 ◼   ► of those opinions, believe it or not.

00:28:12 ◼   ► - We had a question from Astro Phoenix on Twitter.

00:28:15 ◼   ► They write, "I remember you guys noticed

00:28:18 ◼   ► "the iPhone 10 screen was easily scratched.

00:28:21 ◼   ► "How does the 11 Pro screen compare

00:28:23 ◼   ► "from a scratching standpoint

00:28:24 ◼   ► "now that you've had it a while?"

00:28:26 ◼   ► Federico, what about you?

00:28:28 ◼   ► Is your 11 Pro screen holding up okay?

00:28:30 ◼   ► - My old iPhones didn't have any scratches.

00:28:35 ◼   ► Mine did, mine had lots.

00:28:37 ◼   ► - We do.

00:28:38 ◼   ► - The first one that I ever had scratches on

00:28:40 ◼   ► was my XS Max.

00:28:43 ◼   ► My 11 Pro at the moment has no scratches

00:28:45 ◼   ► and it has taken some pretty significant dives.

00:28:49 ◼   ► So either I've been luckier

00:28:52 ◼   ► or that situation seems to have improved year over year.

00:28:56 ◼   ► 'Cause I had some bad scratches on my phone.

00:29:00 ◼   ► - I feel like my XS was maybe a little bit worse than the X.

00:29:03 ◼   ► My 11 Pro so far, I've got one light scratch

00:29:06 ◼   ► across like the top corner of the screen.

00:29:08 ◼   ► I have no idea where I got that.

00:29:10 ◼   ► But my 10 and my 10S both got one

00:29:14 ◼   ► like on the bottom part of the screen,

00:29:15 ◼   ► like from the bottom.

00:29:16 ◼   ► You know if you slide it in your jeans pocket

00:29:18 ◼   ► it touches the little brass thing,

00:29:19 ◼   ► you know in your jeans, a little nubbin.

00:29:22 ◼   ► The 11 Pro so far has avoided that fate,

00:29:24 ◼   ► but I definitely feel like it's still

00:29:28 ◼   ► more scratch prone than I would like,

00:29:30 ◼   ► but it does seem better so far

00:29:31 ◼   ► If I get any sort of terrible gouges,

00:29:34 ◼   ► maybe we'll come back to this in a future episode.

00:29:35 ◼   ► But so far, not as bad as it was in previous years.

00:29:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, but I don't remember how long it was

00:29:44 ◼   ► I had the phone before my scratches started,

00:29:46 ◼   ► but like it was a thing, you know?

00:29:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't remember either, honestly.

00:29:51 ◼   ► Time sort of compresses those memories.

00:29:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, it does.

00:29:56 ◼   ► - Last week, Federico gave me homework

00:29:58 ◼   ► to find some old stuff on apple.com.

00:30:01 ◼   ► And my friends at the Simple Beat Podcast,

00:30:04 ◼   ► which talks about Apple history,

00:30:06 ◼   ► they gave two examples.

00:30:09 ◼   ► One is-- - They did your homework

00:30:10 ◼   ► for you, basically. - They did.

00:30:11 ◼   ► - What you're saying. - I saw this tweet,

00:30:13 ◼   ► I pasted this tweet in the Google Doc

00:30:14 ◼   ► and I didn't do anything else.

00:30:16 ◼   ► They sent a link to Steve Jobs' "Thoughts on Flash" post,

00:30:21 ◼   ► which is still up and it's amazing.

00:30:23 ◼   ► You should totally reread it.

00:30:25 ◼   ► It's in the hot news, apple.com/hotnews,

00:30:29 ◼   ► but now /hotnews redirects to the newsroom.

00:30:32 ◼   ► So this is like a-- it lives in a ghost directory,

00:30:35 ◼   ► but it is still there.

00:30:36 ◼   ► What I like about this post is that the heading is an image.

00:30:41 ◼   ► And the rest is text.

00:30:42 ◼   ► And not retina.

00:30:42 ◼   ► But the image just says, thoughts on flash.

00:30:45 ◼   ► It's so they could use that font on their website.

00:30:47 ◼   ► Apple used to do that a lot before web fonts.

00:30:49 ◼   ► And it's not retina.

00:30:50 ◼   ► What was the name of that font?

00:30:53 ◼   ► I don't know what that is.

00:30:55 ◼   ► It was the Apple font, right?

00:30:56 ◼   ► It was the font they used on everything.

00:30:58 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Myriad?

00:30:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think it is Myriad.

00:31:01 ◼   ► - I'm surprised you didn't just know that, Steven.

00:31:04 ◼   ► - I get confused on the font names.

00:31:07 ◼   ► - It's getting old.

00:31:08 ◼   ► - We found the gap.

00:31:10 ◼   ► We found it.

00:31:11 ◼   ► - So anyways, you should go read that,

00:31:14 ◼   ► but maybe more impressively.

00:31:15 ◼   ► - You said that the people go read that.

00:31:17 ◼   ► They don't need to read it.

00:31:19 ◼   ► - No, it is an amazing time capsule of,

00:31:23 ◼   ► it's, I don't know, I reread it.

00:31:25 ◼   ► You should reread it.

00:31:26 ◼   ► - Okay, did you learn anything?

00:31:27 ◼   ► - I learned that HTML5 will win on mobile devices.

00:31:32 ◼   ► - Did it?

00:31:33 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:31:33 ◼   ► - Oh, good.

00:31:34 ◼   ► - Dude, the last sentence of this letter is brutal.

00:31:36 ◼   ► Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great

00:31:39 ◼   ► HTML5 tools for the future and less on criticizing

00:31:43 ◼   ► the Apple for leaving the past behind.

00:31:45 ◼   ► Jobs could really be pointy when he needed to be.

00:31:51 ◼   ► - What were some of the other ones that he wrote like this?

00:31:54 ◼   ► there was a couple of these, right?

00:31:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:57 ◼   ► He didn't do this a lot, but he did it every now and then.

00:32:00 ◼   ► He wrote one on his health.

00:32:02 ◼   ► I remember when he responded via email to a Gizmodo reporter, I want to say, and basically

00:32:10 ◼   ► one of his replies was, "What have you done in your life that's so great that you can

00:32:15 ◼   ► email me?"

00:32:16 ◼   ► I want to one day use that.

00:32:21 ◼   ► Well.

00:32:22 ◼   ► You know?

00:32:23 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:32:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, I can see the appeal of that.

00:32:28 ◼   ► - One of the other examples from SimpleBeep

00:32:31 ◼   ► is Apple's dashboard widgets, all still active.

00:32:36 ◼   ► So apple.com--

00:32:37 ◼   ► - I just found a MacPower users one.

00:32:39 ◼   ► - Are you serious?

00:32:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's in there.

00:32:42 ◼   ► - I should download that on an old machine and run it.

00:32:46 ◼   ► 'Cause dashboard is gone, but there are,

00:32:49 ◼   ► According to this, I mean, a couple thousand widgets in here,

00:32:54 ◼   ► I just randomly clicked some of them

00:32:56 ◼   ► and many of them still downloaded.

00:32:59 ◼   ► Well, yeah, Mac power users, look at that.

00:33:01 ◼   ► - Let's see.

00:33:03 ◼   ► - How do you download it?

00:33:06 ◼   ► - You hit the download and then the 290K,

00:33:09 ◼   ► the file size next to it.

00:33:11 ◼   ► - Oh man, it's universal.

00:33:12 ◼   ► - If you go to the radio and podcasts one,

00:33:15 ◼   ► there's a bunch of, there's a Chris Perillo audio podcast.

00:33:19 ◼   ► There's a French one. I'm gonna try and read French.

00:33:23 ◼   ► "Sassez-vous faît pas?"

00:33:26 ◼   ► "Sassez-manger?"

00:33:27 ◼   ► Excellent. I think the link is dead for the MacPowy users.

00:33:30 ◼   ► Oh it is. It's totally dead.

00:33:32 ◼   ► That's such a shame. I was gonna listen to the newest episode. It wouldn't work anyway. Let's be real.

00:33:38 ◼   ► MacBreak Weekly.

00:33:39 ◼   ► We're having fun here, kids.

00:33:41 ◼   ► This is a good webpage.

00:33:44 ◼   ► This is a great episode. Just listen to your favorite European and American...

00:33:49 ◼   ► - It's a great webcam. - Look up the web.

00:33:53 ◼   ► Look up webcams?

00:33:55 ◼   ► By the way, while we're looking at this widget,

00:33:59 ◼   ► I want to tell you guys that I just did something,

00:34:02 ◼   ► and I undid it as we were talking, because I'm dumb.

00:34:06 ◼   ► In my ecstatic reaction...

00:34:10 ◼   ► Oh, I know what you did, because I was worried I was going to do the same.

00:34:13 ◼   ► I did it. I bought the case for the iPhone 11 Pro, for the small one, but not the Pro Max.

00:34:19 ◼   ► I just cancelled my order and I'm now looking for the Pro Max version.

00:34:23 ◼   ► The reason, the only reason that that didn't happen to me was because I picked up my iPhone

00:34:28 ◼   ► and ordered on my iPhone and it recommends things that you own, right? Like, oh, you

00:34:33 ◼   ► own one of these, this is the one that's recommended. Because the webpage that I had open was for

00:34:39 ◼   ► the regular size one and I was like, oh no, I've missed it.

00:34:42 ◼   ► Oh no, I got the right one.

00:34:44 ◼   ► So I had the same fear, but I didn't actually do it.

00:34:49 ◼   ► Yeah, I did it. I'm the dumb one who did it.

00:34:51 ◼   ► Now I'm looking for links to these products, but I cannot find them.

00:34:57 ◼   ► Here it is. I'll text you. I found the Pro Max one.

00:34:59 ◼   ► OK, we should really we should really get back to the podcast

00:35:02 ◼   ► that we're trying to record.

00:35:04 ◼   ► We got to move on. What else?

00:35:05 ◼   ► What is this one for the ages?

00:35:07 ◼   ► final episode of connected. I spent some time with the 16 inch MacBook Pro. And I want to scroll up

00:35:14 ◼   ► in our iMessage thread. So let me see if I can find this I said we're now doing exactly what

00:35:20 ◼   ► you just said we needed to stop doing. You're now like reading text messages as a guys I'm going to

00:35:25 ◼   ► go see the 16 inch MacBook Pro. This text is a promise that I'm not buying one. I did not buy one.

00:35:31 ◼   ► But I will say it's a very impressive laptop. So I checked it out at the Apple store. Well,

00:35:35 ◼   ► You want one though, right? You want one? It's okay to say you want one? I would like one. Okay.

00:35:40 ◼   ► I mean, I would like a Mac Pro too, but I'm not buying a Mac Pro. But it is, it's a nice machine.

00:35:45 ◼   ► I was really surprised they had two of them out of my Apple store. There were people looking at both

00:35:50 ◼   ► of them like, usually the Apple store people looking at iPhones, maybe the MacBook Air,

00:35:54 ◼   ► like the MacBook Pro I feel like doesn't get the crowd attention that some of the other products

00:35:59 ◼   ► do. But they were like, like there was a woman like looking at it, she was gonna buy one, she

00:36:04 ◼   ► She was talking to a sales associate who have to say like, did a really good job explaining

00:36:08 ◼   ► the differences.

00:36:09 ◼   ► And like, he knew his stuff, which is really nice.

00:36:11 ◼   ► Sometimes I just listen.

00:36:12 ◼   ► I was like, are you telling somebody something you made up?

00:36:15 ◼   ► Or have you been trained and remember your training?

00:36:17 ◼   ► Yeah, I do that too.

00:36:19 ◼   ► But this guy did a great job.

00:36:20 ◼   ► He asked me if I had any questions.

00:36:22 ◼   ► And I usually don't do this, but I sort of blurted it out.

00:36:24 ◼   ► It's like, Oh, like, I'm a technology reporter.

00:36:26 ◼   ► Like, I mean, I'm just kind of checking it out.

00:36:27 ◼   ► And like, he had this look on his face, like, Oh, no, I shouldn't be talking to you.

00:36:31 ◼   ► And that was awkward.

00:36:32 ◼   ► So I left.

00:36:33 ◼   ► But it is it's a great machine.

00:36:36 ◼   ► It really feels like the predecessor to the or the successor, I should say to the 2015

00:36:42 ◼   ► MacBook Pro, the keyboard feels really nice.

00:36:44 ◼   ► It's not that much bigger.

00:36:45 ◼   ► I mean, I'm pretty used to the 15.4 inch like it's a big laptop.

00:36:49 ◼   ► And I think a lot of people are kind of waiting to see if the 13 inch becomes 14 inches, which

00:36:54 ◼   ► I think would be really nice.

00:36:56 ◼   ► But I think something else may be worth waiting for is that this still has the ninth generation

00:37:02 ◼   ► Intel processors in it, the coffee lake refresh,

00:37:04 ◼   ► and the next processors for this machine

00:37:08 ◼   ► should be 10 nanometer, which would be smaller and cooler.

00:37:12 ◼   ► And so I kinda think that if you have

00:37:14 ◼   ► like a recent MacBook Pro and you're thinking

00:37:15 ◼   ► about updating, unless you need one,

00:37:18 ◼   ► it's probably not a crazy idea to maybe wait

00:37:20 ◼   ► for that Intel refresh sometime next year,

00:37:23 ◼   ► maybe next summer.

00:37:24 ◼   ► You know, someone like me, I have a very recent MacBook Pro,

00:37:27 ◼   ► it's not my primary computer.

00:37:29 ◼   ► If I were to upgrade, I may wait until then,

00:37:32 ◼   ► just for the cooling and the efficiency aspects

00:37:35 ◼   ► of that dye shrink, but--

00:37:37 ◼   ► - And they're probably, if they're ever gonna have

00:37:39 ◼   ► a smaller one, they would probably do that

00:37:41 ◼   ► at the same time too, right?

00:37:43 ◼   ► So you could then make your decision

00:37:44 ◼   ► about the size that you wanted.

00:37:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think so.

00:37:48 ◼   ► It's pretty nice, I was really impressed with it.

00:37:50 ◼   ► I did, I've talked to y'all about this,

00:37:52 ◼   ► but I have thought a little bit,

00:37:54 ◼   ► I mean, this is, Jason called it the iMac Pro

00:37:57 ◼   ► that you can put in your backpack,

00:37:58 ◼   ► And watching a bunch of videos, we'll put one,

00:38:02 ◼   ► Quinn at Snazzy Labs had one that I watched last night

00:38:04 ◼   ► that I really enjoyed.

00:38:06 ◼   ► He's talked a lot about thermal performance,

00:38:07 ◼   ► like in a way that is pretty easy to understand,

00:38:09 ◼   ► 'cause I think that's a hard thing to talk about.

00:38:12 ◼   ► So we'll have that one in the show notes.

00:38:13 ◼   ► But there's lots of videos, lots of articles

00:38:14 ◼   ► about this computer, and I get the sense

00:38:18 ◼   ► that Apple has really done a good job

00:38:21 ◼   ► at solving the issues that plagued the initial run

00:38:25 ◼   ► of these computers, but still in a way,

00:38:27 ◼   ► like this is clearly the same type of idea

00:38:29 ◼   ► that their idea of the MacBook Pro is the same.

00:38:32 ◼   ► But in thinking about all that, seeing how powerful it is,

00:38:35 ◼   ► I have entertained the idea

00:38:38 ◼   ► of going back to just one computer.

00:38:40 ◼   ► So I have my iMac Pro and I have a MacBook Pro.

00:38:43 ◼   ► It's easier than ever to have two computers,

00:38:45 ◼   ► but it's still obviously more complicated

00:38:49 ◼   ► than having just one.

00:38:50 ◼   ► And I have thought about what if I did

00:38:53 ◼   ► like a pretty nicely spec'd MacBook Pro

00:38:56 ◼   ► and an external display,

00:38:57 ◼   ► and so I could have one computer everywhere.

00:39:01 ◼   ► I'm not, ultimately not going to do that

00:39:02 ◼   ► because I do like having a desktop.

00:39:04 ◼   ► I like having stuff that's plugged in all the time.

00:39:07 ◼   ► I like having like my work computer at work,

00:39:10 ◼   ► not at the house, you know, in the house,

00:39:12 ◼   ► not with me everywhere.

00:39:14 ◼   ► So I don't think I'm gonna go down this road,

00:39:16 ◼   ► but I do think that if you have struggled

00:39:20 ◼   ► to get the power out of a notebook that you need for work,

00:39:22 ◼   ► if you're doing high-end stuff,

00:39:24 ◼   ► the 16-inch may solve that problem for you

00:39:26 ◼   ► 'cause it is really impressive.

00:39:28 ◼   ► Like even the base model is basically as performant,

00:39:32 ◼   ► especially on the GPU side,

00:39:34 ◼   ► as like the super high-end MacBook Pro

00:39:36 ◼   ► that they just got rid of.

00:39:37 ◼   ► You know they did that refresh,

00:39:38 ◼   ► they added like the Vega 20 GPU options and stuff?

00:39:42 ◼   ► Even the base MacBook Pro now, 16-inch,

00:39:45 ◼   ► is faster or as fast as those.

00:39:47 ◼   ► And I don't, I just, I seem to be really impressed.

00:39:50 ◼   ► People who have been really critical of the MacBook Pro

00:39:52 ◼   ► in the past couple of years, rightfully so, seem impressed.

00:39:55 ◼   ► So I think Apple's done a good job here.

00:39:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think it seems to be getting pretty praised

00:40:01 ◼   ► all around and at least so far,

00:40:04 ◼   ► 'cause I'm sure people are looking,

00:40:05 ◼   ► there doesn't appear to be anything

00:40:08 ◼   ► catastrophically wrong with it.

00:40:10 ◼   ► Which is good news.

00:40:11 ◼   ► - That's great news.

00:40:13 ◼   ► - I still think you're gonna buy one

00:40:15 ◼   ► because I will just never let that fight go.

00:40:19 ◼   ► But I hope to be proven wrong, I'll say that.

00:40:22 ◼   ► 'Cause then it shows you have restraint,

00:40:25 ◼   ► which would be nice.

00:40:27 ◼   ► - It does have this weird thing that iFixit found

00:40:30 ◼   ► called the Lid Angle Sensor.

00:40:32 ◼   ► And so I went on this tear last night when this came out,

00:40:34 ◼   ► I texted Jason and Tyler Stallman.

00:40:37 ◼   ► I was like, "Hey, you guys have the 16 inch,"

00:40:39 ◼   ► or like the regular sleep magnets going.

00:40:41 ◼   ► I thought maybe this was telling the computer

00:40:43 ◼   ► if it was awake or asleep.

00:40:44 ◼   ► It seems like it still has magnets in the other places.

00:40:47 ◼   ► So I don't know what this little sensor does,

00:40:48 ◼   ► but I'm always intrigued by weird little hardware changes

00:40:51 ◼   ► of what this could do, so.

00:40:54 ◼   ► That is weird. They didn't mention it anywhere.

00:40:56 ◼   ► MacRumors found it because they were diving through the service document, which is like

00:41:00 ◼   ► a whole other topic. Those aren't public. But it's a little sensor in there doing something,

00:41:06 ◼   ► telling the logic board something about the screen. But it seems that we don't really

00:41:10 ◼   ► know what it does yet.

00:41:11 ◼   ► It's talking of interesting. There is going to be an Apple event of some description on

00:41:15 ◼   ► December 2nd in New York City. It looks like they're going to be unveiling their apps and

00:41:21 ◼   ► games of the year. I doubt it's going to be streamed because it isn't mentioned anywhere

00:41:27 ◼   ► other than via a tweet from Lance Ulanoff I think was from... is he still at Mashable?

00:41:35 ◼   ► Maybe? I don't think he is. I don't think he is. He was previously of Mashable, he's

00:41:40 ◼   ► somewhere else now I think. I think he's writing for one of those medium based publications

00:41:44 ◼   ► but I could be completely wrong about that. I'll follow that up in a second, I'll check

00:41:48 ◼   ► it in a minute. It looks like a secondary event to the ADAs, but like Apple always has their,

00:41:54 ◼   ► the Apple Design Awards that they do at WWDC or the Apple Developer Conference. We'll maybe get

00:42:00 ◼   ► to that later on. But this is something that Apple does every year. They have like their best

00:42:05 ◼   ► X of all of their stores, right? Best podcast, best games, best apps, best movies, you know,

00:42:13 ◼   ► best album, all that stuff for the year. I guess they're doing it but with an audience now of

00:42:19 ◼   ► press and all the people they're awarding? This to me sounds like a private event,

00:42:23 ◼   ► like a small venue Apple Design Awards where they invite a bunch of the winners and a bunch of press

00:42:32 ◼   ► and they let the press do interviews and talk to the developers and get a bunch of details about

00:42:40 ◼   ► why a certain app or game won. And maybe they could have some kind of celebrities involved,

00:42:46 ◼   ► maybe, you know, it could be the kind of venue if a celebrity has an app or a game that they

00:42:52 ◼   ► participated in could be a venue to do that. Again, all speculation on my end, but it does sound like

00:42:57 ◼   ► basically a full version of the Apple Design Awards, but not public. So just for the press

00:43:06 ◼   ► and just for the winners. I think it's pretty cool, I think it's nice that Apple is, if

00:43:12 ◼   ► it is what it is, which is to say they're building a small event around what they're

00:43:18 ◼   ► otherwise doing on the App Store with the pages and the charts and the collections,

00:43:23 ◼   ► I think it's pretty neat. I think the whole story is kind of funny in that it does seem

00:43:28 ◼   ► like Lance Rynov was not supposed to share this news. We have a tweet that Marc German

00:43:37 ◼   ► re-shared on Twitter showing a section of the email that Apple sent to the press saying

00:43:45 ◼   ► "Let's keep this between us for now, no social media posts just yet." Which seems

00:43:51 ◼   ► to suggest that Lance Rynov went ahead, tweeted about the event, and then it was too late.

00:43:57 ◼   ► That's when you don't read the whole email before you share it.

00:44:00 ◼   ► That should have been on the top of the email, Apple.

00:44:02 ◼   ► You know, you gotta be first.

00:44:04 ◼   ► First first first.

00:44:05 ◼   ► That's right, hashtag first.

00:44:07 ◼   ► Lance Yulinoff is the editor-in-chief of LifeWire, which I've never heard of.

00:44:13 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know what it is.

00:44:15 ◼   ► I don't know what LifeWire is.

00:44:16 ◼   ► It's a new website.

00:44:17 ◼   ► That's where Lance Yulinoff is.

00:44:20 ◼   ► This seems like a thing that Apple should do, right?

00:44:23 ◼   ► Like why not have an awards ceremony if you're gonna have awards?

00:44:26 ◼   ► You're gonna have awards, have a ceremony for them, why not?

00:44:29 ◼   ► Like, you could do that, make people feel special.

00:44:32 ◼   ► You know?

00:44:33 ◼   ► It's nice.

00:44:34 ◼   ► Uh, do we expect this to be anything else?

00:44:36 ◼   ► Are we gonna get the Mac Pro, or the Apple Tag, or anything?

00:44:40 ◼   ► No.

00:44:41 ◼   ► No, we're not, are we?

00:44:42 ◼   ► It's nothing.

00:44:43 ◼   ► No.

00:44:44 ◼   ► We expect nothing else from this.

00:44:45 ◼   ► Which is why they ask people not to talk about it, but Lance Yudinov can't help himself.

00:44:47 ◼   ► At this point, the Mac Pro will be a press release saying "Hey, the pre-orders are up."

00:44:52 ◼   ► Did you see the factory photos today?

00:44:55 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah. So Tim Cook is escorting Serna members of the US government around their Mac Pro factory.

00:45:06 ◼   ► And it was in conjunction with a big announcement that they are building out a big development in

00:45:12 ◼   ► Austin, Texas. Apple's had people in Austin for a long time, mostly Apple care and like support

00:45:17 ◼   ► personnel, but they are really expanding that. Of course, the Mac Pro is being built in Texas. And

00:45:23 ◼   ► There's a lot of push in the US for companies to invest here and hire people here and

00:45:30 ◼   ► America first, rah rah rah. So this price release is just playing to that, right? It's like,

00:45:35 ◼   ► "Oh, we have all these people in all these states making parts for the Mac Pro."

00:45:39 ◼   ► What they don't say is, "What state is manufacturing the wheels for the Mac Pro?"

00:45:44 ◼   ► That's what I want to know. That's what everybody wants to know.

00:45:46 ◼   ► What are you hiding, Tim Cook? That's the real scoop, if only we could find it out.

00:45:50 ◼   ► I have a question for you. I doubt you know the answer, but you might. If I bought one,

00:45:56 ◼   ► where is it made? Is it made in America? I doubt it.

00:46:00 ◼   ► You had a Mac Pro. You don't remember what it said on the bottom?

00:46:04 ◼   ► No, I don't remember what it said on the bottom. But is it assembled in America, not China?

00:46:09 ◼   ► It may be. I don't know.

00:46:11 ◼   ► Because that seems peculiar. Because what they dodge in the press release is that

00:46:16 ◼   ► it's still parts coming from China. Yeah. Right? Like this, they're not all being made in America,

00:46:22 ◼   ► but like they talk about every state that parts are coming from. They don't mention

00:46:27 ◼   ► the country of China where a lot of the parts are surely coming from. Sure. Right? Or like other

00:46:33 ◼   ► places in Asia at the very least. But there are parts that come from America. I'm sure there's

00:46:38 ◼   ► little screws and all that kind of stuff. It's all purpose made. Uh, and they're being, then the

00:46:44 ◼   ► the parts are being assembled there, right?

00:46:46 ◼   ► But I can't imagine, I would just be surprised

00:46:49 ◼   ► if they assembled European ones in Texas.

00:46:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think they're probably,

00:46:57 ◼   ► they may be putting them somewhere else, I don't know.

00:46:59 ◼   ► There are a couple things about this picture

00:47:01 ◼   ► of the Austin factory we have to talk about.

00:47:03 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:47:04 ◼   ► - One, none of these Mac Pros have wheels,

00:47:06 ◼   ► they all have feet, so there's that.

00:47:08 ◼   ► There's in the bottom left hand of the photo,

00:47:11 ◼   ► there is what appears to be a wired Mighty Mouse

00:47:13 ◼   ► plugged into something so someone's still using those at Apple. But the most

00:47:17 ◼   ► interesting thing is not the Mac Pro itself but on the left hand side of the

00:47:22 ◼   ► image there's an iMac, two iMacs actually, and there's a couple on the right hand

00:47:27 ◼   ► side that are hanging upside down from this like pipe scaffolding around all

00:47:33 ◼   ► the workbenches. Not on VESA mounts but they are literally like hung upside down

00:47:37 ◼   ► from the foot and the Apple logo is upside down the camera's at the bottom.

00:47:42 ◼   ► This one you can see the back of, so much like a black Apple sticker on the back,

00:47:46 ◼   ► which I find sort of funny. They look like 27-inch iMacs, but I have questions.

00:47:51 ◼   ► A) just like bives amounts, but B) how do you not knock them off? Like, hopefully

00:47:56 ◼   ► there's some sort of zip tie situation holding them on. Oh, this has got to be a

00:48:00 ◼   ► custom-built VESA adapter that's holding them in place. No, look at the

00:48:05 ◼   ► picture on the left-hand side of the image. That's a regular iMac foot, and

00:48:09 ◼   ► it's just like hanging from that pipe. Well, that seems dangerous. But so I verified in

00:48:16 ◼   ► System Preferences display, Mac OS does not give you an option to rotate the image on

00:48:21 ◼   ► an iMac. So like they're doing something maybe it's a third party utility or something. They're

00:48:26 ◼   ► definitely all using Windows. They're always boot camp. You think so? Oh, 100%. I can't

00:48:31 ◼   ► really tell their own shipping. Let me let me open this in Photoshop and enhance it.

00:48:36 ◼   ► see. Is that how that works? Computer enhance! I'm actually interested in

00:48:42 ◼   ► that siren. No man, no no, they're running macOS. Really? The one in the center

00:48:46 ◼   ► definitely has a dock at the bottom of the screen. Could be parallels though? No?

00:48:51 ◼   ► But no, the dock can't be at the bottom of the screen in the way macOS ships if

00:48:55 ◼   ► it's upside down. They're doing something funny to turn this the image around. What

00:48:59 ◼   ► are you hiding? What if the display is physically upside down?

00:49:03 ◼   ► physically upside down inside the computer.

00:49:06 ◼   ► - Why is it not that?

00:49:07 ◼   ► - No, because the way the ribbon cables work inside,

00:49:11 ◼   ► the, you have to, it doesn't work.

00:49:13 ◼   ► The ribbon cable's very short

00:49:14 ◼   ► from the logic board through the display.

00:49:15 ◼   ► - They could make it work.

00:49:17 ◼   ► Look at all the tools they have.

00:49:18 ◼   ► They have so many screwdrivers.

00:49:20 ◼   ► - I'm sure they have something custom to flip the UI around.

00:49:23 ◼   ► I just thought that was interesting

00:49:24 ◼   ► and a little bit terrifying.

00:49:25 ◼   ► - Are you sure the dock is at the bottom?

00:49:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, the one in the center.

00:49:29 ◼   ► - Where?

00:49:31 ◼   ► So if you, this is a terrible episode.

00:49:34 ◼   ► - No, it's good.

00:49:35 ◼   ► It's gotten good again.

00:49:36 ◼   ► - It's basically dead center of the image.

00:49:38 ◼   ► There's somebody with their back to the camera

00:49:41 ◼   ► looking right at it.

00:49:42 ◼   ► Like, basically vertically about center of the image,

00:49:45 ◼   ► slightly to the left.

00:49:47 ◼   ► There is a dock at the bottom of that.

00:49:48 ◼   ► - Those window tiles at top are blue though.

00:49:52 ◼   ► You sure it's not windows?

00:49:53 ◼   ► - Well, that's A, that's not how windows apps look,

00:49:55 ◼   ► but B, that is definitely a dock on the bottom of the screen.

00:49:57 ◼   ► - Windows XP used to look like that.

00:49:59 ◼   ► - They're not hard on Windows XP.

00:50:01 ◼   ► Could be.

00:50:01 ◼   ► With the blue window tiles.

00:50:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:50:03 ◼   ► It could- I mean, it's a manufacturing plant.

00:50:06 ◼   ► Here's the thought.

00:50:07 ◼   ► Yeah, that there's like, it's like some crazy manufacturing thing that can only run

00:50:13 ◼   ► Windows XP on Windows.

00:50:15 ◼   ► Once again, Underscore has solved this.

00:50:18 ◼   ► Oh my God, Dave.

00:50:19 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:50:20 ◼   ► So in displays, hold command and option when you open the preference and you get

00:50:26 ◼   ► additional things, including the ability to rotate.

00:50:28 ◼   ► I'm going to tell my screen upside down right now.

00:50:31 ◼   ► Hold command and option.

00:50:34 ◼   ► Do it.

00:50:35 ◼   ► Did it work?

00:50:36 ◼   ► What do you open the display preference?

00:50:39 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:50:41 ◼   ► Are you looking at the thing upside down?

00:50:44 ◼   ► I don't know what I'm supposed to do.

00:50:46 ◼   ► I think you hold those buttons and then open the display preference.

00:50:50 ◼   ► I don't understand.

00:50:51 ◼   ► Nothing's happening.

00:50:52 ◼   ► I don't see that either.

00:50:53 ◼   ► Nothing's happening for me.

00:50:54 ◼   ► Wait, so how do you do it?

00:50:58 ◼   ► You open the display preferences.

00:51:00 ◼   ► Hold command and option.

00:51:02 ◼   ► Hold command and option.

00:51:04 ◼   ► Open displays.

00:51:06 ◼   ► And then where?

00:51:07 ◼   ► Rotation. Rotation. Hold on.

00:51:09 ◼   ► Do you have it?

00:51:11 ◼   ► Oh my god!

00:51:12 ◼   ► Maybe the IMAX rotates it.

00:51:13 ◼   ► Where is it? It's upside down.

00:51:14 ◼   ► Where is it?

00:51:15 ◼   ► Oh no! How do I...

00:51:16 ◼   ► Oh no!

00:51:18 ◼   ► Oh no!

00:51:19 ◼   ► I gotta rotate my head.

00:51:21 ◼   ► Oh, um...

00:51:22 ◼   ► So I'm...

00:51:23 ◼   ► Confirm display setting.

00:51:25 ◼   ► I want you to revert it.

00:51:27 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:51:28 ◼   ► You just gotta hold down command option and click on this place under system preferences.

00:51:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't get it.

00:51:37 ◼   ► Does not work for me.

00:51:39 ◼   ► And it'll show you...

00:51:40 ◼   ► Actually, hold on, with my ultrafine...

00:51:43 ◼   ► Well, I don't have an iMac, so with my ultrafine I always have a rotation option.

00:51:49 ◼   ► I don't even need to hold down command and option.

00:51:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't see it on my iMac Pro.

00:51:53 ◼   ► But for a second I...

00:51:55 ◼   ► Underscore has failed us.

00:51:58 ◼   ► He says it works for him.

00:52:00 ◼   ► Anyways, so there may be some way to do it.

00:52:02 ◼   ► Try quitting system preferences.

00:52:04 ◼   ► Okay, we have to move on.

00:52:06 ◼   ► Are we out of follow-up, by the way?

00:52:08 ◼   ► No.

00:52:10 ◼   ► Okay, just checking.

00:52:12 ◼   ► Oh, I did, I got it. I pressed them long enough.

00:52:14 ◼   ► Rotation, 180 degrees.

00:52:16 ◼   ► Oh, there it is.

00:52:18 ◼   ► Oh, oh no, the mouse moves backwards.

00:52:20 ◼   ► See, now what?

00:52:22 ◼   ► You gotta tilt your head and pretend you're...

00:52:24 ◼   ► Wait, so these poor people

00:52:26 ◼   ► So these poor people in this assembly, they have to use the mouse backwards.

00:52:30 ◼   ► No, there's no way that's the case. You must be able to do something to the mouse too.

00:52:34 ◼   ► Maybe somebody else is even behind this plane and is moving the mouse for them.

00:52:38 ◼   ► All right, let me push those buttons and hit trackpad. I don't know, this is very strange.

00:52:44 ◼   ► Okay, well we learned something about macOS today. That's exciting.

00:52:47 ◼   ► Well, if you just turn the trackpad upside down, it works.

00:52:50 ◼   ► That's what I'm doing right now. I just have the trackpad upside down.

00:52:54 ◼   ► So now who's the winner?

00:52:57 ◼   ► You just get one of those circular mice,

00:52:59 ◼   ► the Apple circular mouse, you turn upside down,

00:53:01 ◼   ► nobody knows.

00:53:02 ◼   ► - It's true.

00:53:02 ◼   ► - My computer's upside down now.

00:53:04 ◼   ► So I have that number, what's 270?

00:53:07 ◼   ► - I wonder if your MP3 is recording backwards now.

00:53:11 ◼   ► - What is that?

00:53:12 ◼   ► Oh no!

00:53:13 ◼   ► - It's all the way to the side.

00:53:14 ◼   ► - Oh, that's a lot worse.

00:53:16 ◼   ► Oh boy.

00:53:17 ◼   ► Uh oh.

00:53:20 ◼   ► - All right, well, while Myke fixes his computer,

00:53:24 ◼   ► We need to talk about Federico being "Sherlocked" by Apple Music.

00:53:30 ◼   ► Yes. This is great news. This is a great announcement.

00:53:34 ◼   ► Apple released an addition to Apple Music. It's called Apple Music Replay.

00:53:40 ◼   ► And it's a way for you to catch up on the most played songs of the year.

00:53:46 ◼   ► So the music you listen to over the past 12 months, you go to replay.music.apple.com

00:53:53 ◼   ► So pretty much like Spotify, Spotify has Wrapped and Apple now has Replay.

00:53:59 ◼   ► You go to a website, you log in with your Apple Music account, and you let the service

00:54:04 ◼   ► look at your account data and generate a custom page for you.

00:54:09 ◼   ► This page contains a playlist with your top 100 songs, I believe, as well as top artists

00:54:17 ◼   ► and top albums.

00:54:19 ◼   ► This is essentially the Apple version of Spotify wrapped, but done in an Apple Music fashion.

00:54:28 ◼   ► The playlist that you get at the end is called the Replay Mix, and it's all right there.

00:54:33 ◼   ► You can listen on the web if you're using a Mac and you're logging in via Safari, or

00:54:39 ◼   ► you can actually log in from iOS and iPadOS, and then the playlist will be saved in your

00:54:44 ◼   ► music app.

00:54:46 ◼   ► If you're logging in with the same Apple Music account, there's a bunch of stats that you

00:54:50 ◼   ► can look at.

00:54:51 ◼   ► It tells you the total amount of hours that you've listened to, as well as you have individual

00:55:00 ◼   ► artists breakdowns.

00:55:01 ◼   ► So, for example, this year I listened for 17 hours to Bon Iver and 16 hours to Death

00:55:08 ◼   ► Cab for Cutie.

00:55:10 ◼   ► You have the top albums.

00:55:12 ◼   ► And fun fact, this service can actually go back in time and generate playlists up until

00:55:19 ◼   ► 2015, the year that Apple Music launched, so you can get four years, actually five,

00:55:27 ◼   ► it's 2015, 2016, yeah it's five playlists with this new replay service.

00:55:35 ◼   ► It's very nice, very cool looking, it's very simple, maybe not as deep as Spotify ref,

00:55:41 ◼   ► it doesn't surprise me, Spotify can get real geeky with the stats that it shows you, but

00:55:46 ◼   ► it's pretty cool, it's pretty awesome, and obviously this is so much better than what

00:55:50 ◼   ► I did last year with Apple Music Wrapped, my shortcut that sort of replicated the same

00:55:57 ◼   ► functionality, it provided a chart for you with your top songs that you could also turn

00:56:04 ◼   ► into a playlist, and it gave you this custom landing page with top artists and top albums

00:56:10 ◼   ► set and all that stuff. Obviously this is a native solution that is so much better than

00:56:16 ◼   ► my shortcut if only for one main reason and that is the shortcut can only look at the

00:56:24 ◼   ► music that you've added to your library and it can only look at the total play counts.

00:56:32 ◼   ► Shortcuts actions for Apple Music cannot take a look at your complete listening history.

00:56:40 ◼   ► So if you listen via Sonos, for example, or if you listen to songs without adding them

00:56:44 ◼   ► to your library, Shortcuts will be unable to find the play counts for those, because

00:56:49 ◼   ► Shortcuts can only filter songs that you've added to your library.

00:56:54 ◼   ► It doesn't actually connect to your Apple Music Online account.

00:56:58 ◼   ► And so for this reason, Replay is much more accurate than anything I could have done with

00:57:02 ◼   ► And I think it's great, I think it looks great, it looks good, and even better, this is not

00:57:09 ◼   ► like a seasonal thing.

00:57:10 ◼   ► Once you've created your replay playlist for the year, it'll stay updated throughout the

00:57:16 ◼   ► course of the year, and it'll be updated by Apple Music every Sunday.

00:57:20 ◼   ► So in theory, the first Sunday of January 2020, you should be able to generate your

00:57:26 ◼   ► replay 2020 playlist and every Sunday it'll be updated with new songs and artists sorted by

00:57:34 ◼   ► how much time you listen to them. This is lovely, this is great, they should have done this years

00:57:39 ◼   ► ago. It's good that they have made it sort of retroactive in that it goes back in time and

00:57:45 ◼   ► gives you a playlist for say 2016. That's amazing and this is so much better than my shortcut.

00:57:52 ◼   ► Then again, there's still... I'm not gonna update it, of course.

00:57:55 ◼   ► Apple Music Wrapped is done.

00:57:58 ◼   ► But there's still a use case for that.

00:57:59 ◼   ► If you don't subscribe to Apple Music,

00:58:01 ◼   ► you're listening the music app to the music you own,

00:58:04 ◼   ► then MyShortcut is now your only option, as before,

00:58:10 ◼   ► because Apple Music Replay, I believe it requires an Apple Music account.

00:58:14 ◼   ► So if you listen to music locally, MyShortcut still works.

00:58:17 ◼   ► And in fact, it works great for that,

00:58:19 ◼   ► because it looks at play counts for music in your library.

00:58:22 ◼   ► That's all it can do.

00:58:24 ◼   ► But this one is so much better.

00:58:26 ◼   ► It's very nice.

00:58:27 ◼   ► And I'm curious to see how it'll update throughout the year.

00:58:31 ◼   ► That's the part that I'm really curious about, because Spotify wrapped

00:58:34 ◼   ► only you can only generate it, you know, in this time of year,

00:58:39 ◼   ► the end of November or December.

00:58:40 ◼   ► But then it disappears and it comes back after 12 months.

00:58:43 ◼   ► This one is going to stay on all year long.

00:58:46 ◼   ► So that that'll be curious to see how it works.

00:58:49 ◼   ► I'm just pleased they did it this year, not last year. Because I was really worried when

00:58:53 ◼   ► you were building your shortcut for weeks and weeks and weeks last year that they were

00:58:57 ◼   ► just going to do this and you were going to be very sad.

00:58:59 ◼   ► I know, right? Yeah. Well, I don't think they're going to share luck what I'm working on now

00:59:05 ◼   ► for Apple Music. You know, every winter I work on an Apple Music shortcut. It's now,

00:59:10 ◼   ► you know, you do it twice. It's tradition. So I'm working on the MusicBot, which I don't

00:59:17 ◼   ► think Apple were Sherlock. And I get to, you know, share it eventually. I'm still working

00:59:21 ◼   ► on it. Don't talk about it yet. Don't give them ideas. No, I won't give them ideas. I'm

00:59:25 ◼   ► basically just waiting because there's a bug in iOS 13.3 Beta 2. And also, by the way,

00:59:32 ◼   ► Beta 3 just came out. So even more follow up today. So we'll see if the bug is fixed.

00:59:39 ◼   ► But otherwise, Apple Music Replay, go to the website. I got a bunch of people like, oh,

00:59:43 ◼   ► asking me for my Apple Music account, yes, it's the Apple website. It's literally

00:59:47 ◼   ► apple.com, so you're safe. You can log in with your Apple Music account and let it

00:59:52 ◼   ► generate the playlist for you. It's so strange to see them doing something on

00:59:56 ◼   ► the web. Well, they're doing more and more with Apple Music on the web. They have

01:00:02 ◼   ► the beta web app on the desktop and Replay works on Safari for iPhone even.

01:00:07 ◼   ► So they're doing more and more, which, you know, Apple getting into services,

01:00:12 ◼   ► that they have to.

01:00:13 ◼   ► This is why TV works on the web and all that.

01:00:16 ◼   ► And increasingly all their media apps,

01:00:20 ◼   ► TV, music, news, are basically wrappers

01:00:23 ◼   ► around web content and web views.

01:00:26 ◼   ► So, make sense.

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01:01:33 ◼   ► And the shortcut bug I was having,

01:01:34 ◼   ► still not fixed in 13.3 beta 3.

01:01:37 ◼   ► So, someday it'll be fixed.

01:01:40 ◼   ► - So the WWDC app, it's gone.

01:01:44 ◼   ► Or rebranded at least.

01:01:45 ◼   ► Federico, what's going on here?

01:01:47 ◼   ► - It's called Apple Developer now.

01:01:49 ◼   ► So a few days ago, Apple released an update

01:01:52 ◼   ► to the WWDC app, renaming it, giving it a new icon.

01:01:56 ◼   ► It's a pretty cool looking icon actually.

01:01:58 ◼   ► It's called Apple Developer.

01:01:59 ◼   ► And it's, again, they're moving away from seasonal things.

01:02:04 ◼   ► The WWDC app was mostly useful during WWDC

01:02:08 ◼   ► or maybe in September when Apple with the new iPhones

01:02:10 ◼   ► released new technical notes and videos.

01:02:13 ◼   ► Now it's supposed to be like an ongoing thing.

01:02:17 ◼   ► During the year, throughout the year,

01:02:19 ◼   ► you will find content in the main page.

01:02:22 ◼   ► There's going to be, in theory, tutorials or news.

01:02:27 ◼   ► The news section from the Apple Developer website

01:02:30 ◼   ► has been integrated with this one, it seems,

01:02:33 ◼   ► at least to a certain extent.

01:02:35 ◼   ► And if you are in the US, you can sign up for the,

01:02:38 ◼   ► you can enroll in the Apple Developer program

01:02:41 ◼   ► as a subscription.

01:02:42 ◼   ► So you can use your iTunes payment system to subscribe

01:02:46 ◼   ► and become an Apple Developer.

01:02:48 ◼   ► And the developer, the $90 fee a year,

01:02:52 ◼   ► will be renewed automatically using apps or subscriptions,

01:02:56 ◼   ► which is pretty cool, I guess,

01:02:57 ◼   ► but it's US only for now.

01:02:59 ◼   ► Obviously, the new app has sparked the question,

01:03:03 ◼   ► will Apple rename WWDC to ADC,

01:03:07 ◼   ► to the Apple Developer Conference?

01:03:09 ◼   ► And this is where I'm torn,

01:03:12 ◼   ► in fact, because, and I hate that I'm about to pronounce

01:03:18 ◼   ► what I'm pronouncing,

01:03:21 ◼   ► I believe that Apple is sort of attached

01:03:24 ◼   ► to the whole dub dub brand thing.

01:03:28 ◼   ► - Wow. - Which I--

01:03:30 ◼   ► - We could conspiracy theory this if you like.

01:03:32 ◼   ► You know I love a good conspiracy theory.

01:03:34 ◼   ► Last year was the first time I had ever seen them

01:03:39 ◼   ► say dub dub or use dub dub.

01:03:42 ◼   ► Maybe they were just acknowledging it

01:03:43 ◼   ► because they were killing it.

01:03:44 ◼   ► - Well, you would acknowledge something at the end

01:03:47 ◼   ► before kidding it?

01:03:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like a thank you to it.

01:03:50 ◼   ► It's like thanks dub dub, peace out.

01:03:53 ◼   ► And then off they go.

01:03:54 ◼   ► I don't know, it's... Dub-Dub though...

01:03:56 ◼   ► I don't think this is the case, I just like to be a conspiracy theorist.

01:03:59 ◼   ► I don't like it, I never liked, you know, I don't like when people say "Oh let's go to Dub-Dub"

01:04:03 ◼   ► Like, I...

01:04:04 ◼   ► I...

01:04:05 ◼   ► It's just a personal thing.

01:04:08 ◼   ► But I feel like Apple is attached to it.

01:04:10 ◼   ► I feel like they've made it a thing.

01:04:13 ◼   ► You know, they had pins, they had all the graphics around, you know, the banners around San Jose.

01:04:19 ◼   ► They like to call it that, it seems.

01:04:22 ◼   ► And ADC, it just, it's, you know, it sounds like it sounds boring.

01:04:26 ◼   ► It sounds boring. It sounds like a,

01:04:28 ◼   ► it sounds like fake AC DC without one C like

01:04:33 ◼   ► it's, it sounds boring. It sounds like, it sounds like a fax company,

01:04:38 ◼   ► you know, ADC.

01:04:39 ◼   ► But Apple developer as an app, as an,

01:04:44 ◼   ► like everybody says, I'm going to the Apple developer conference,

01:04:48 ◼   ► but I still feel like the DubDub brand is something that Apple likes.

01:04:53 ◼   ► So I don't know.

01:04:54 ◼   ► I guess it makes sense to have the app be a mo-

01:04:57 ◼   ► like, I totally get it why they're doing it in terms of the app for iPhone and iPad

01:05:02 ◼   ► to have something throughout the year.

01:05:03 ◼   ► Sure, if you're an Apple developer, you have an Apple developer app and you go there

01:05:07 ◼   ► and you see all the content that they provide you with.

01:05:10 ◼   ► But the conference itself, I am skeptical that they're going to rename it.

01:05:15 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:05:16 ◼   ► that app might like eventually suck in.

01:05:18 ◼   ► Cause there's an app where you can check if your app has been approved and stuff.

01:05:21 ◼   ► Right. Yeah. The iTunes connect to connect,

01:05:26 ◼   ► maybe, maybe it goes into this application too. Yeah.

01:05:30 ◼   ► Apple's developer website used to be called ADC.

01:05:33 ◼   ► It was the Apple developer connection, I think. And, and, uh,

01:05:37 ◼   ► so, you know, they could bring that back. Uh,

01:05:40 ◼   ► there was also had like a display standard called ADC for a minute,

01:05:42 ◼   ► but I liked the name Apple developer conference.

01:05:46 ◼   ► I think it would be easier to explain it to people.

01:05:49 ◼   ► - I prefer Apple Developer Conference

01:05:51 ◼   ► to Worldwide Developer Conference,

01:05:54 ◼   ► but I prefer WWDC to ADC.

01:05:57 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:05:58 ◼   ► - Hmm.

01:05:59 ◼   ► - I'll go with all that.

01:05:59 ◼   ► - I'm a complicated man.

01:06:01 ◼   ► - And that DubDub is bad, I know what you say it.

01:06:03 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:06:04 ◼   ► I like it written, I don't like to hear it.

01:06:07 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

01:06:08 ◼   ► Well, yeah, ADC does feel kind of generic.

01:06:11 ◼   ► - And ADC sucks.

01:06:12 ◼   ► Maybe they should just give it a completely new name.

01:06:16 ◼   ► Like, um, overall, you know, Apple con feel and Craig hang out with their

01:06:20 ◼   ► friends or con Swift con.

01:06:24 ◼   ► Oh, the Apple developer meet and greet the Apple developer.

01:06:29 ◼   ► Week roadmap conference, a D R M C Apple developer roadmap conference.

01:06:38 ◼   ► Just rolls off the tongue.

01:06:40 ◼   ► It does full of good ideas.

01:06:42 ◼   ► Phil, Phil Schiller.

01:06:43 ◼   ► Just give us a call.

01:06:44 ◼   ► Maybe they should call it, call it Apple con and that's it.

01:06:47 ◼   ► I'm going to Apple con app.

01:06:49 ◼   ► Uh, what's next last week.

01:06:54 ◼   ► Logitech announced support for home kit, secure video for some of their

01:06:59 ◼   ► cameras, the circle two cameras.

01:07:01 ◼   ► We have a bunch of links in the show notes to this.

01:07:02 ◼   ► Uh, it is on a beta firmware.

01:07:05 ◼   ► So you have to like update the firmware on your camera with the Logitech app.

01:07:10 ◼   ► And then the camera disappear from the Logitech app that it just works in home kit.

01:07:14 ◼   ► HomeKit secure video is a really interesting, really interesting proposition to me.

01:07:19 ◼   ► I have a couple of nest cameras at my house and I'm paying nest

01:07:25 ◼   ► annually, which is fine.

01:07:26 ◼   ► I use the service all the time, but they, this is video stream to them.

01:07:30 ◼   ► It's served by them.

01:07:31 ◼   ► If I need to download something, I have to go to their website and home, home

01:07:34 ◼   ► kit, secure video basically uses your iCloud storage for that.

01:07:38 ◼   ► You do have to pay for the upgraded storage.

01:07:41 ◼   ► If you want more than one camera,

01:07:42 ◼   ► you have to go all the way to the two terabyte plan,

01:07:45 ◼   ► which I am on anyways, because between my wife and I,

01:07:48 ◼   ► we have just enough data to like need that plan.

01:07:50 ◼   ► Like if there was a one terabyte,

01:07:52 ◼   ► we could get away with that pretty easily, but there's not.

01:07:55 ◼   ► And it basically does as much as it can locally

01:07:58 ◼   ► and on iCloud.

01:07:59 ◼   ► So I was pretty excited about this,

01:08:02 ◼   ► looking at potentially moving away from the Nest cams

01:08:04 ◼   ► at some point to something like this.

01:08:06 ◼   ► I'm already paying for iCloud storage.

01:08:08 ◼   ► I like the idea that it seems to be more private.

01:08:11 ◼   ► Federico, you and I have both tried it.

01:08:13 ◼   ► A friend, John Voorhees has tried it and I don't want to be too harsh because they

01:08:19 ◼   ► label it as a beta, like on the Logitech side, but there are quite a few issues.

01:08:27 ◼   ► You want to tell me about your experience getting it, getting it going.

01:08:30 ◼   ► I fear that this feature will introduce severe complications in my household and my relationship

01:08:41 ◼   ► with my partner.

01:08:43 ◼   ► Glowing endorsement!

01:08:48 ◼   ► Unless Apple fixes a few bugs, I'm gonna have to get in touch with Logitech and revert my

01:08:54 ◼   ► firmware to the non-secure video one, which sucks because I really like the idea of secure

01:09:01 ◼   ► video. So anyway, it worked perfectly for me when I set it up for myself. We have obviously

01:09:10 ◼   ► a shared HomeKit setup. Silvia, my girlfriend, is part of my HomeKit setup here. I set it

01:09:17 ◼   ► up from my phone. I first did it with one of the cameras, then the next day I did it

01:09:22 ◼   ► with the other two that we have.

01:09:24 ◼   ► So all of my Logi Circle 2 cameras, all three of them

01:09:27 ◼   ► are now HomeKit secure video enabled.

01:09:30 ◼   ► And yes, by the way, I know it's marked as a beta feature.

01:09:33 ◼   ► You don't need to get in touch with me and say it's a beta.

01:09:35 ◼   ► Don't you complain about it.

01:09:37 ◼   ► I'm going to because I don't care.

01:09:38 ◼   ► Who's marking it as a beta? Logitech is. Logitech. Yeah.

01:09:42 ◼   ► Right. But isn't this Apple's software?

01:09:46 ◼   ► It's Apple's software, but Logitech says that upgrading the firmware

01:09:49 ◼   ► on your camera is a beta thing and you should be aware

01:09:52 ◼   ► and you need to click like three check boxes to make sure that you agree to the beta firmware.

01:09:57 ◼   ► Okay, so if the problems are hardware related then it's Logitech's problem maybe, but if it's

01:10:03 ◼   ► software related then it's a labels problem and they're not labeling as a beta.

01:10:07 ◼   ► So for me, works great. Well, relatively well. I would say there's a... The first thing I noticed,

01:10:15 ◼   ► and I think Steven has this problem too, it's a whole configuration, like it's a whole setup.

01:10:20 ◼   ► You need to flip a bunch of toggles. You need to... like, there's no way that you can change your camera settings at a global level in the Home app.

01:10:31 ◼   ► You cannot say "All my cameras, all of them, I want you to send me notifications if people are detected or if animals are detected."

01:10:40 ◼   ► No, you need to go into each camera's own settings page and configure those settings for each camera.

01:10:48 ◼   ► Yeah, which is how nest works and I don't mind that because I want my couple cameras to work differently

01:10:55 ◼   ► But I think there should be an option of hey just apply this setting to all my stuff and here's my problem

01:11:00 ◼   ► So I changed the settings on my phone and I thought well, that's it

01:11:05 ◼   ► it's now set up for everybody, but no I also needed to configure Sylvia's phone and

01:11:10 ◼   ► Basically redo the same thing from scratch

01:11:14 ◼   ► The only setting that is global is the ability to hide the LED light on the circle camera once you

01:11:22 ◼   ► disable that option it sticks globally across all members of your HomeKit configuration

01:11:29 ◼   ► But other settings so status changes and notifications

01:11:34 ◼   ► They need to be changed per camera per member so and per device

01:11:41 ◼   ► Also, I needed to repeat the same process on my iPad and on my Mac because my Mac kept

01:11:48 ◼   ► dinging the notification sound because you need to go in the Home app and change the

01:11:53 ◼   ► settings again.

01:11:55 ◼   ► So it's per camera, per member, per device.

01:11:59 ◼   ► So I guess you can imagine I got a bunch of them and there were a lot of noises, you know,

01:12:03 ◼   ► a lot of alerts going on.

01:12:05 ◼   ► Still, not my main problem because I thought, well, now that I've changed these settings

01:12:09 ◼   ► like 25 times. Am I done? In theory, yes. But here's my problem. Sylvia's phone, she

01:12:15 ◼   ► has an iPhone 11 running the stable version of iOS 13.2.3, which just came out yesterday.

01:12:23 ◼   ► She keeps getting notifications she's not supposed to. I disabled... So I set up all

01:12:32 ◼   ► all my circle cameras to send me and Silvia notifications at any time during the day only

01:12:41 ◼   ► when nobody's home and only if a clip is recorded because motion has been detected and motion

01:12:50 ◼   ► includes people, right?

01:12:53 ◼   ► Obviously my dogs are gonna move when we're not around so I don't need animal detection.

01:12:58 ◼   ► I live on the third floor, so unless you have a flying car, vehicle detection is really

01:13:03 ◼   ► not gonna happen in my hallway.

01:13:05 ◼   ► I just want...

01:13:06 ◼   ► You would really wanna know though.

01:13:08 ◼   ► I'm unsure.

01:13:09 ◼   ► Like, I mean, I think more than anything, if a vehicle's in your home, you wanna know.

01:13:14 ◼   ► Yeah, you should turn that back on.

01:13:16 ◼   ► You need that on, man.

01:13:18 ◼   ► Because I'm telling you...

01:13:19 ◼   ► I could land a car in my balcony, probably.

01:13:22 ◼   ► If you come home and there's a car in the living room, you'd be like, "Aw, man, I wish

01:13:28 ◼   ► I wish I knew about this before. I knew that that notification was supposed to stay on.

01:13:33 ◼   ► You see? You need that one on. That's maybe the most important one. And here's what's

01:13:38 ◼   ► driving me crazy. And I really hope this is one of those instances where somebody from

01:13:43 ◼   ► Apple is listening to this show. I am not getting notifications, and rightfully so,

01:13:49 ◼   ► because nobody has broken into our apartment these past few days. Sylvia keeps getting

01:13:54 ◼   ► notifications and not like you may say well maybe she's getting like a couple notifications

01:14:00 ◼   ► when you guys are out no she's getting one every 20 seconds she's going insane with these

01:14:07 ◼   ► notifications she has to basically put her iphone in do not disturb mode all the time

01:14:16 ◼   ► She showed me like a hundred notifications

01:14:20 ◼   ► yesterday that she kept getting from HomeKit.

01:14:24 ◼   ► And here's the thing.

01:14:25 ◼   ► She's running the stable version of iOS.

01:14:28 ◼   ► I'm running the beta version of iOS.

01:14:30 ◼   ► I have 13.3.

01:14:31 ◼   ► So maybe that's why I'm not getting all those notifications.

01:14:35 ◼   ► But it's not.

01:14:38 ◼   ► But I don't think it's not.

01:14:39 ◼   ► And in my home, I also want to clarify, in my home,

01:14:42 ◼   ► I have a mix of HomeKit hubs.

01:14:45 ◼   ► I have two Apple TVs and I have three HomePods and god knows how many iPads.

01:14:51 ◼   ► Some of them are running stable version of

01:14:54 ◼   ► 13.2 for tvOS or HomePod.

01:14:58 ◼   ► Only one of them, the Apple TV 4K in my bedroom, is running the tvOS

01:15:04 ◼   ► 13.3 beta. All the other ones are on the stable track.

01:15:10 ◼   ► Sylvia's getting hundreds of notifications. I have double-checked all the settings

01:15:15 ◼   ► She's not supposed to be getting those notifications and yet she is I don't know what to do

01:15:20 ◼   ► I I had that too. So what it seems to be doing is there's the backup second. There's a toggle to say

01:15:26 ◼   ► Notify so you have recording and notifying is two separate things you say I want any motion

01:15:33 ◼   ► I want you to record and I want to be known be told about it

01:15:36 ◼   ► And if you say I want to know when there's a person,

01:15:40 ◼   ► what it does, the camera detects the motion,

01:15:42 ◼   ► it analyzes locally if it is a person or not

01:15:45 ◼   ► and then sends you notifications.

01:15:47 ◼   ► So those notifications are within a few seconds,

01:15:50 ◼   ► totally reasonable amount of time.

01:15:53 ◼   ► But I have the same problem you do, but opposite.

01:15:56 ◼   ► My phone will tell me anytime there's any motion,

01:15:59 ◼   ► even though I've set it to be just tell me about people,

01:16:04 ◼   ► and Mary's is working correctly.

01:16:06 ◼   ► Now we were both completely stable releases.

01:16:09 ◼   ► I thought, well, maybe it's fixing the beta.

01:16:11 ◼   ► So then I installed the beta on my phone

01:16:13 ◼   ► and it made no difference.

01:16:14 ◼   ► So I think it's broken either way,

01:16:16 ◼   ► but it seems to be those options are not respected.

01:16:21 ◼   ► And it is the most,

01:16:22 ◼   ► I've tried a bunch of smart cameras over the years.

01:16:25 ◼   ► If it really thinks every single time that there is motion,

01:16:30 ◼   ► it is dialed, the sensitivity is dialed to 11.

01:16:33 ◼   ► I've had it, I have one in my studio,

01:16:36 ◼   ► and like the heat would come on,

01:16:38 ◼   ► and it would say, oh, there's motion.

01:16:42 ◼   ► Or a cloud would go by in the sky,

01:16:44 ◼   ► oh, there's motion, it's way too sensitive.

01:16:47 ◼   ► So there's something like really broken,

01:16:49 ◼   ► whether that's on the Logitech side in their firmware,

01:16:53 ◼   ► or on the HomeKit side, I don't know.

01:16:55 ◼   ► Part of it is clearly HomeKit,

01:16:56 ◼   ► because it doesn't respect the settings

01:16:57 ◼   ► the way it's supposed to.

01:16:58 ◼   ► But it is not really, that part's really broken.

01:17:02 ◼   ► But I do have other things.

01:17:03 ◼   ► I actually took out a piece of paper

01:17:05 ◼   ► when I was setting it up and made some notes.

01:17:07 ◼   ► One thing you cannot do in HomeKit

01:17:09 ◼   ► is you cannot manually power on or off a camera.

01:17:12 ◼   ► So the one in my studio, I have a Nest Cam.

01:17:16 ◼   ► Someone breaks in out here, I wanna know about it.

01:17:19 ◼   ► And I basically turn the camera on and off

01:17:22 ◼   ► if I'm in the office or not.

01:17:23 ◼   ► I don't want it on when I'm out here.

01:17:25 ◼   ► And it is pretty simple.

01:17:28 ◼   ► I can do it in the Nest app.

01:17:30 ◼   ► I wish it supported Siri, but it doesn't.

01:17:32 ◼   ► And go in the Nest app and do it.

01:17:34 ◼   ► And I can't use geofences for that,

01:17:35 ◼   ► because the studio is too close to the house.

01:17:37 ◼   ► And if I'm done for the day, and I lock up the studio,

01:17:41 ◼   ► and I go inside, I want the studio camera on,

01:17:43 ◼   ► even though I am technically home, I'm not out here.

01:17:47 ◼   ► So I talked to Zach Hall about this from 95 Max.

01:17:49 ◼   ► He wrote this original article.

01:17:51 ◼   ► And so I was like, hey, is there a way to do this?

01:17:53 ◼   ► He said, no.

01:17:54 ◼   ► The way he got around it was he put a HomeKit power switch

01:17:58 ◼   ► and plug the camera into that,

01:18:00 ◼   ► is the camera will just come on when there's power to it.

01:18:03 ◼   ► And so you can get around that.

01:18:04 ◼   ► I don't know how good it is to like,

01:18:06 ◼   ► physically cut the power to the camera on and off,

01:18:08 ◼   ► over and over, but there should be a way to basically--

01:18:11 ◼   ► - No one should be using this as their system.

01:18:13 ◼   ► No one should be trusting their home security

01:18:15 ◼   ► to this system is what I've heard over the last 10 minutes.

01:18:18 ◼   ► - Well, that's my problem with it.

01:18:21 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:18:22 ◼   ► - So we have all the stuff that Federico said,

01:18:24 ◼   ► I see the same issues.

01:18:26 ◼   ► There's no way to tell or manage how much video

01:18:29 ◼   ► is stored in iCloud.

01:18:30 ◼   ► The only option you have is to delete

01:18:32 ◼   ► a single camera's recordings.

01:18:35 ◼   ► Maybe I didn't have enough stored in there,

01:18:37 ◼   ► but even in like your, if you go like on the Mac or iOS

01:18:40 ◼   ► and get your iCloud store settings,

01:18:42 ◼   ► there's no listing for like home kit video.

01:18:45 ◼   ► Like you just don't know how much is there,

01:18:47 ◼   ► then I guess you can delete it,

01:18:48 ◼   ► but there's no fine grained control.

01:18:50 ◼   ► I'd like to have that.

01:18:51 ◼   ► Because the detect motion is very fast,

01:18:54 ◼   ► detect a person takes a second,

01:18:56 ◼   ► but it's within the same margin of error

01:18:58 ◼   ► that the Nest camera is,

01:18:59 ◼   ► it takes a split second to recognize somebody.

01:19:01 ◼   ► I had issues with the two-way microphone,

01:19:05 ◼   ► is you can talk back through your phone through the camera,

01:19:07 ◼   ► like if someone's in here, you can talk to them.

01:19:09 ◼   ► That did not work in the stable iOS,

01:19:11 ◼   ► but it did work in the beta, so that was an improvement.

01:19:14 ◼   ► Like I said, sound triggers motion,

01:19:16 ◼   ► even though there's an option to record sound or not,

01:19:18 ◼   ► there should be an option to say,

01:19:19 ◼   ► sound does not equal motion.

01:19:22 ◼   ► And only one device can view a camera at a time.

01:19:26 ◼   ► So with Nest and Ring and these other systems,

01:19:30 ◼   ► you can have multiple devices looking at the same camera

01:19:34 ◼   ► or the same clip.

01:19:35 ◼   ► HomeKit video doesn't let you do that.

01:19:37 ◼   ► Down to the point where if you have video previews

01:19:40 ◼   ► set in the notification and you have the notification open,

01:19:43 ◼   ► the other person can't look at that camera.

01:19:46 ◼   ► Like it is completely single view.

01:19:49 ◼   ► and that strikes me as ridiculous.

01:19:52 ◼   ► So I am not switching to this.

01:19:55 ◼   ► I don't trust it at this point.

01:19:57 ◼   ► I would like to.

01:19:58 ◼   ► I would love to dish my nest stuff at some point

01:20:01 ◼   ► and move on with this because it's way more integrated

01:20:03 ◼   ► with the rest of my stuff, but it's not there yet.

01:20:07 ◼   ► And how much of that's on Logitech

01:20:09 ◼   ► and how much of that's on Apple, it's hard to say,

01:20:11 ◼   ► but I think at least part of it is on HomeKit.

01:20:15 ◼   ► But the big concern, if I were to go in

01:20:17 ◼   ► see if you agree with this. Nest has its issues right? Ring has its issues but

01:20:23 ◼   ► Canary. Canary is like barely hanging on out there but...

01:20:27 ◼   ► Yeah my canaries going strong like very happy very hard. Yeah but they they said

01:20:32 ◼   ► HomeKit support was coming they haven't done that their outdoor stuff's pretty

01:20:34 ◼   ► bad but those companies like security cameras are what they do right and they

01:20:41 ◼   ► all they all have issues like I have plenty complaints about the Nest

01:20:44 ◼   ► ecosystem but it's like a primary focus of the company right but those companies

01:20:49 ◼   ► are owned one by alphabet one by Amazon yes but within nest cameras are a big

01:20:56 ◼   ► thing of what they do now Apple view homekit is a tiny part of Apple and

01:21:01 ◼   ► homekit secure video is a tiny tiny part of homekit it is not a top-level item

01:21:06 ◼   ► for Apple I see what you're saying yes yes like yes if you have issues with

01:21:11 ◼   ► Google and Amazon owning your cameras,

01:21:12 ◼   ► like I understand that, I respect that,

01:21:14 ◼   ► that's a different conversation.

01:21:16 ◼   ► But those companies focus on these features

01:21:20 ◼   ► and Apple doesn't.

01:21:21 ◼   ► Is it gonna be a year before this gets fixed?

01:21:23 ◼   ► Like we keep coming back to that in the last couple weeks.

01:21:26 ◼   ► And I don't know if I would trust

01:21:30 ◼   ► that Apple would keep this like modern and updated

01:21:34 ◼   ► because they haven't always done that with minor features.

01:21:39 ◼   ► And this is what this,

01:21:40 ◼   ► This is a minor feature of iOS,

01:21:42 ◼   ► but if it's the camera you have looking at the street

01:21:44 ◼   ► of your house and someone trying to break in,

01:21:48 ◼   ► it doesn't feel like a minor feature to you,

01:21:50 ◼   ► but I just worry about that,

01:21:52 ◼   ► that Apple won't pay enough attention to this

01:21:54 ◼   ► over the long run.

01:21:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I have the same concern.

01:21:57 ◼   ► I wanna believe that even if it's a tiny feature,

01:22:03 ◼   ► it is an important one because we're talking about

01:22:07 ◼   ► people's security, home security.

01:22:10 ◼   ► And I wanna believe that if we keep complaining about it

01:22:13 ◼   ► and writing about it and having podcasts about it,

01:22:16 ◼   ► it'll get fixed relatively soon,

01:22:19 ◼   ► because it's such a, like,

01:22:21 ◼   ► getting notifications from your camera

01:22:23 ◼   ► when you're not supposed to, like, that's a bad bug.

01:22:27 ◼   ► And I really wanna hope that even if it's not a mainstream,

01:22:32 ◼   ► you know, it's not an Apple Music bug,

01:22:36 ◼   ► It's an important one, and it should be looked after

01:22:39 ◼   ► before iOS 14, otherwise I'm gonna have to

01:22:43 ◼   ► get in touch with Logitech support

01:22:45 ◼   ► and have them restore my circle cameras

01:22:48 ◼   ► back to the non-secure video firmware.

01:22:51 ◼   ► While we're at it, I have a list of other missing features

01:22:56 ◼   ► that we didn't mention for HomeKit secure video

01:22:59 ◼   ► before we move on.

01:23:03 ◼   ► You cannot set custom motion areas.

01:23:07 ◼   ► So if you have your camera pointing at the hallway

01:23:11 ◼   ► and maybe you wanna ignore whatever is going on

01:23:13 ◼   ► beyond the window,

01:23:14 ◼   ► because maybe there's like cars moving or something,

01:23:17 ◼   ► you cannot say ignore this area

01:23:21 ◼   ► and focus on these other area of the room.

01:23:23 ◼   ► That's not possible.

01:23:25 ◼   ► You mentioned you cannot turn off cameras without location.

01:23:29 ◼   ► The LogiCircle app.

01:23:32 ◼   ► So I should say, once you move your Logi Circle cameras

01:23:36 ◼   ► to HomeKit Secure Videos, they only live in HomeKit.

01:23:41 ◼   ► They are removed from the Circle app.

01:23:46 ◼   ► And in fact, now my Circle app is empty

01:23:48 ◼   ► because all of my Circle cameras have been upgraded

01:23:52 ◼   ► to HomeKit Secure Video.

01:23:53 ◼   ► But one of the features that I really liked

01:23:56 ◼   ► about the Circle app was called the Day Brief.

01:24:00 ◼   ► And the day brief was basically a time lapse

01:24:03 ◼   ► for the whole day to show you what happened in 24 hours

01:24:07 ◼   ► for one of your cameras.

01:24:09 ◼   ► And this time lapse feature is absent from the home app.

01:24:13 ◼   ► You can only view individual clips.

01:24:15 ◼   ► There is a timeline.

01:24:16 ◼   ► You can export clips as an MP4 video,

01:24:20 ◼   ► but you cannot group multiple clips together

01:24:23 ◼   ► or export a time lapse, and they should do that.

01:24:26 ◼   ► Speaking of clips, I and Steven,

01:24:29 ◼   ► Please tell me if I'm crazy because I really cannot find this feature.

01:24:33 ◼   ► I cannot see clips on my Mac.

01:24:36 ◼   ► So in the Catalyst Home app, I have no idea where I'm supposed to go look for HomeKit Secure

01:24:42 ◼   ► video.

01:24:43 ◼   ► I can't find them either.

01:24:45 ◼   ► Cool.

01:24:46 ◼   ► All right.

01:24:47 ◼   ► So I don't know.

01:24:49 ◼   ► Maybe they are there, but I have not.

01:24:51 ◼   ► If only there was a technology that allowed you to have the same app.

01:24:55 ◼   ► Well, I say that.

01:24:56 ◼   ► Let me see.

01:24:57 ◼   ► - Okay, well, so I do...

01:24:59 ◼   ► - Maybe you need a Catalina beta, maybe?

01:25:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's in Catalina.

01:25:03 ◼   ► - Is it though?

01:25:04 ◼   ► I have Catalina.

01:25:05 ◼   ► I don't...

01:25:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, so if you go into the camera and double click on it,

01:25:09 ◼   ► then you get the, you can change the date picker at the top

01:25:12 ◼   ► and you can go back in time and see clips.

01:25:16 ◼   ► - Why does only one of my cameras have it?

01:25:21 ◼   ► - I don't know.

01:25:22 ◼   ► I only have one camera, so...

01:25:23 ◼   ► - This is why I was not seeing it yesterday.

01:25:26 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:25:26 ◼   ► I don't know. It's it's a little broken. I hit the share button in the home app and instead

01:25:32 ◼   ► of being attached to the button it popped up in its own floating window at the edge

01:25:35 ◼   ► of the screen. So you know, homes not a great app on the Mac. But yeah, they've got to strain

01:25:40 ◼   ► this stuff out. Nest has those features you mentioned, I have the the zone thing turned

01:25:45 ◼   ► on that's really helpful. And the time lapse thing you can export a time lapse from nest

01:25:51 ◼   ► cameras. In fact, a couple of years ago, I got hired by somebody in town to do like a

01:25:56 ◼   ► a time-lapse video of a construction project, lasted like two years, and I did it with a

01:26:00 ◼   ► series of Nest cameras.

01:26:02 ◼   ► And I would just go in like once a week and export footage from the Nest cams as a time-lapse.

01:26:06 ◼   ► It was great.

01:26:07 ◼   ► Like super easy.

01:26:08 ◼   ► It's uh, they need to catch up with this stuff.

01:26:11 ◼   ► It is still early.

01:26:12 ◼   ► I really honestly would like to move to this, but right now I just can't.

01:26:16 ◼   ► Our friend John Borges just sent us privately an iMessage, a screenshot of his LogiCircle

01:26:24 ◼   ► camera.

01:26:25 ◼   ► he updated this one to HomeKit Secure Video, and he said, "I went out for a sandwich, and

01:26:31 ◼   ► there's a 10, 11 notifications."

01:26:35 ◼   ► Well, it keeps going.

01:26:37 ◼   ► Maybe there's probably more.

01:26:38 ◼   ► It's the whole screen.

01:26:39 ◼   ► It's the whole screen full of the Logis

01:26:51 ◼   ► So, yeah, they're broken. That's all I'm gonna say. But I'm open to suggestions as to how

01:26:58 ◼   ► I should break this news to Sylvia in terms of like, we just gotta wait because she's

01:27:06 ◼   ► gonna hate me for it. So I mean, can you just turn notifications off on her phone and not

01:27:11 ◼   ► tell her like, you gotta tell her it's broken. It's not your fault. I mean, it is my fault

01:27:19 ◼   ► bit but no these things are are the fault of the person who decides to get excited and change the

01:27:25 ◼   ► already working system they are and try out a a change of the firmware of the camera that's working

01:27:31 ◼   ► perfectly fine it is 100 federal fault that he brought this upon their household okay we got it

01:27:38 ◼   ► we get it we get it a plague upon their household it's my fault but ultimately it's apple's fault

01:27:47 ◼   ► I don't blame Logitech for this.

01:27:49 ◼   ► Because you just look at the evidence of the last three to four months.

01:27:54 ◼   ► I don't think it's Logitech. I don't think it's the hardware. It's never got a single issue.

01:27:58 ◼   ► Why did they release this feature? It was already late. Just wait. It's clearly incredibly broken.

01:28:05 ◼   ► Yeah, well...

01:28:06 ◼   ► I don't understand what's going on anymore.

01:28:08 ◼   ► Don't we all?

01:28:09 ◼   ► It's hard to say.

01:28:10 ◼   ► Let's talk about cool stuff instead.

01:28:12 ◼   ► Cool stuff?

01:28:14 ◼   ► Like folding phones.

01:28:15 ◼   ► I thought we were going back to Christmas trees.

01:28:17 ◼   ► - We can talk about those too.

01:28:19 ◼   ► - Let me take our last break first.

01:28:22 ◼   ► And then you can just let it rip on the Motorola Razr.

01:28:24 ◼   ► How's that?

01:28:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, all right.

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01:30:07 ◼   ► Motorola, they are absolute mad lads and they did it.

01:30:11 ◼   ► They brought back the Razer and it's now a folding phone.

01:30:15 ◼   ► They had an event last week where they showed it off to some press.

01:30:19 ◼   ► I'll put links in the show notes to three YouTube videos, one by Austin Evans,

01:30:23 ◼   ► one by MKBHD and one by Caim Gartenberg of The Verge.

01:30:26 ◼   ► It is a portrait foldable flip phone.

01:30:30 ◼   ► There are two displays.

01:30:31 ◼   ► There's a small display on the outside, which is kind of like the size

01:30:35 ◼   ► an Apple Watch display it's like 2.7 inches. The camera's there too so you can actually take selfies

01:30:41 ◼   ► using that screen and the main camera but basically this outside screen is for checking

01:30:46 ◼   ► notifications and they've built some quick reply stuff in. You know you see notifications there,

01:30:51 ◼   ► you can do very basic things to them. It is effectively what the old screen on the outside

01:30:56 ◼   ► of the old Razer used to be for right? Like it's all that stuff. You open it up inside and it's a

01:31:02 ◼   ► 6.2 inch phone on the inside. It's taller than your average smartphone. It's a 21 by

01:31:09 ◼   ► 9 aspect ratio, so it's like taller and thinner than usual, but it apparently seems to work

01:31:15 ◼   ► pretty well and people have said it's relatively comfortable to hold. And obviously because

01:31:21 ◼   ► it is a flip phone, effectively, you get the pleasure of closing the phone when you're

01:31:25 ◼   ► done talking to someone. Like you can do that. Everybody did that in their videos, right?

01:31:30 ◼   ► that's what you would do. The profile is basically the same as the old Razer

01:31:34 ◼   ► right it has like a big chin at the bottom which has a bunch of components

01:31:39 ◼   ► in it has a fingerprint reader in there and a USB-C charging port and then it

01:31:44 ◼   ► drops down right like quite significantly hence the Razer name

01:31:48 ◼   ► because it looks like a closed shave razor like a blade razor right and it's

01:31:53 ◼   ► super thin and it's got like a notch cut out like the old Razer used to which is

01:31:58 ◼   ► where there's a front facing camera and a speaker in.

01:32:02 ◼   ► And it's similar in size and thickness.

01:32:07 ◼   ► It's a bit wider, but it's similar.

01:32:10 ◼   ► They've gone for the overall design,

01:32:12 ◼   ► which was a genius move.

01:32:14 ◼   ► Because honestly, this looks as modern now as it did then,

01:32:17 ◼   ► because it's now-- it makes a lot of sense

01:32:20 ◼   ► to make their product this way.

01:32:23 ◼   ► Visually, it's just a clever way to make this type of product.

01:32:27 ◼   ► They're doing some wild stuff with the hinge because the phone completely closes, there

01:32:32 ◼   ► doesn't appear to be a gap at all.

01:32:35 ◼   ► The phone screen itself kind of tucks under the hinge a little bit which is wild to see.

01:32:42 ◼   ► Apparently you can't see a crease, I couldn't see a crease in any video that I've seen and

01:32:47 ◼   ► apparently the hinge seems pretty strong.

01:32:50 ◼   ► It doesn't seem to be having the issues that Huawei and Samsung had with there being gaps

01:32:57 ◼   ► and stuff. Of course it is still a plastic screen. Motorrollers say it's super strong,

01:33:03 ◼   ► they don't think there's a problem there, I guess time will tell on that. All of the

01:33:07 ◼   ► videos that I've seen praise the hinge design and that it's comfortable, it doesn't seem

01:33:11 ◼   ► to be awkward to fold and unfold. One cool little feature, there's a legacy mode where

01:33:17 ◼   ► you can make it look and act like the old Razer and the bottom of the screen looks like

01:33:22 ◼   ► a metal keypad. I just think it's really funny that they put that in and I applaud

01:33:26 ◼   ► Motorola for doing that because that was not a trivial amount of work for an Easter egg,

01:33:32 ◼   ► but I think it's kind of awesome.

01:33:34 ◼   ► Unfortunately the product starts to fall apart a little bit when you talk about the specs.

01:33:40 ◼   ► So it has a Snapdragon chip in it that was used in mid-range smartphones over the last

01:33:45 ◼   ► year which is awkward when the phone costs $1,500.

01:33:50 ◼   ► So cheaper than the other folding phones that are on the market but still very, very expensive.

01:33:56 ◼   ► The battery is really small too because the phone is super thin and small and light compared

01:34:02 ◼   ► to other phones like it.

01:34:04 ◼   ► It is going to be interesting to see how both the chip and the battery perform when these

01:34:09 ◼   ► things are actually reviewed which I reckon is probably not going to be for a while because

01:34:13 ◼   ► it's not coming until January 2020.

01:34:15 ◼   ► I think you'll be able to start pre-ordering in December so maybe some reviews start dropping

01:34:20 ◼   ► then.

01:34:21 ◼   ► I think this thing is very compelling.

01:34:23 ◼   ► I actually think that it is a, well, it is very clearly I think a stronger contender

01:34:27 ◼   ► for being a more useful product than the Galaxy Fold or the Huawei Mate X.

01:34:32 ◼   ► This looks like a conventional phone in a form factor that we have seen before that

01:34:38 ◼   ► people liked, which is a flip phone.

01:34:40 ◼   ► But we just have, we had to let go of flip phones because smartphones wouldn't work that

01:34:45 ◼   ► way.

01:34:46 ◼   ► But now they can again.

01:34:48 ◼   ► And I think that this is very interesting.

01:34:51 ◼   ► I think that this is a product that again, I'm also intrigued to see what it would be

01:34:57 ◼   ► like to own one of those.

01:34:58 ◼   ► I don't think I want to buy it, but crazier things have happened.

01:35:03 ◼   ► Like this thing that happened, right?

01:35:05 ◼   ► Like this, that thing.

01:35:07 ◼   ► That's a galaxy.

01:35:08 ◼   ► That was a crazier thing that happened.

01:35:11 ◼   ► I opened it and closed it.

01:35:12 ◼   ► So you'd get the audio, right?

01:35:15 ◼   ► I didn't just point at it.

01:35:17 ◼   ► I gave you some audio accompaniment.

01:35:19 ◼   ► So that's the Sam's that's that's the Motorola Razr.

01:35:23 ◼   ► Do either of you have any thoughts or opinions?

01:35:26 ◼   ► I think this form factor makes a lot more sense than the Samsung.

01:35:31 ◼   ► Because it makes it pocketable pocketable and it gives you a phone at the end of the

01:35:35 ◼   ► day not tablet.

01:35:36 ◼   ► But see that I think the things that we are going to see with this is like because because

01:35:41 ◼   ► Samsung want to do this too right they want to make a folding like phone like this too.

01:35:46 ◼   ► I think we're gonna see maybe, if I was gonna put my money on the table, why Samsung did

01:35:52 ◼   ► this the way that they did it.

01:35:53 ◼   ► Because I think the battery's gonna suck and it's not gonna be powerful enough.

01:35:57 ◼   ► And Samsung went with the form factor that they went with because it allowed them to

01:36:03 ◼   ► make something that would still operate under normal phone constraints.

01:36:06 ◼   ► Sure.

01:36:07 ◼   ► The thing would be two inches thick if it was thick enough for the battery it needed.

01:36:11 ◼   ► So that is a limitation, but I do think the form factor is really interesting.

01:36:15 ◼   ► I think it's cool that Motorola's doing it.

01:36:17 ◼   ► They've just put out a bunch of like...

01:36:18 ◼   ► - I can't believe that Motorola are the company

01:36:21 ◼   ► that have made this product.

01:36:23 ◼   ► - All they've done the last few years is like ho-hum,

01:36:25 ◼   ► middle of the road Android phones.

01:36:27 ◼   ► They haven't done anything really interesting

01:36:28 ◼   ► maybe since the Droid line like years ago.

01:36:31 ◼   ► So that's really cool.

01:36:32 ◼   ► - They had some cool stuff when they were owned by Google

01:36:35 ◼   ► for a brief period of time.

01:36:37 ◼   ► - They had like the mods, like they did the thing

01:36:40 ◼   ► where you could clip on extra bits to the outside.

01:36:42 ◼   ► Anyways, it seems cool.

01:36:44 ◼   ► I would like, I really like to see one in person.

01:36:47 ◼   ► I still don't think,

01:36:49 ◼   ► this hasn't changed my mind on foldables in the broad sense,

01:36:53 ◼   ► but I think this is closer to something

01:36:54 ◼   ► that more people would want than the Samsung,

01:36:58 ◼   ► is my guess.

01:37:00 ◼   ► You know, I really think about the foldable

01:37:01 ◼   ► as like a folding tablet that happens to be a phone,

01:37:04 ◼   ► and this is like a folding phone.

01:37:05 ◼   ► This, in its fullest form, is just a regular phone.

01:37:08 ◼   ► But it's cool, I mean, props to Motorola for doing it,

01:37:12 ◼   ► And I think the reviews will be fun to watch on this one.

01:37:15 ◼   ► - Instantiate this in the chat has said something

01:37:19 ◼   ► that is very interesting.

01:37:21 ◼   ► As a person who has lady-sized pants pockets

01:37:24 ◼   ► in most of their life,

01:37:25 ◼   ► this is a product that makes sense there.

01:37:27 ◼   ► This is a very, very good use case.

01:37:30 ◼   ► 'Cause people say they want smaller phones.

01:37:32 ◼   ► A lot of the time, they don't necessarily want it

01:37:34 ◼   ► just 'cause they want the phone to be smaller.

01:37:36 ◼   ► They need it to be smaller

01:37:37 ◼   ► so it can fit in their pocket, right?

01:37:38 ◼   ► Or in their purse.

01:37:40 ◼   ► This is a way to make that happen

01:37:41 ◼   ► because you actually reduce the main constraint,

01:37:44 ◼   ► which is physical size, not like thickness.

01:37:47 ◼   ► It's like physical size, right?

01:37:48 ◼   ► Like it won't go in a pocket,

01:37:50 ◼   ► but this might because you fold it in half.

01:37:53 ◼   ► That's interesting.

01:37:54 ◼   ► That makes sense for this.

01:37:57 ◼   ► I am intrigued to see if other companies

01:37:59 ◼   ► can make this product make sense.

01:38:01 ◼   ► It makes sense that Motorola did it

01:38:02 ◼   ► because they had the razor design, right?

01:38:05 ◼   ► So like you make this because people will want it

01:38:08 ◼   ► because of the nostalgia factor.

01:38:10 ◼   ► I'm intrigued to see if like, what could Samsung do to make this a lust worthy product because

01:38:18 ◼   ► it under a flip phone form factor, right?

01:38:20 ◼   ► Like I think Motorola coming first out the gate with this makes sense because they own

01:38:28 ◼   ► the intellectual property of the most successful folding phone, probably like the second most

01:38:34 ◼   ► known phone after the iPhone in history, right?

01:38:37 ◼   ► everybody knew what the Razer was, everybody wanted one if they didn't

01:38:41 ◼   ► already have one. That was like the first kind of like really lust-worthy phone

01:38:45 ◼   ► before the iPhone. My college roommate got one and I remember being so jealous.

01:38:51 ◼   ► They were really expensive too. Yeah. They were like seven or eight hundred dollars.

01:38:56 ◼   ► And then he broke it playing frisbee like the third week he owned it. It was very

01:39:00 ◼   ► sad. I had like a Nokia candy bar so the Razer seemed like magic and this is a

01:39:06 ◼   ► a nostalgia play but boy is it a good one. Like I see what you did Motorola and I am

01:39:11 ◼   ► fine with it because I think a lot of people will look at this and remember that phone

01:39:15 ◼   ► fondly. And it's cool. Power to him for doing it.

01:39:19 ◼   ► But I think it still looks cool even if you don't have the nostalgia. But if you have

01:39:24 ◼   ► the nostalgia you won on both fronts.

01:39:26 ◼   ► I also have fond memories of the predecessor of the Razer, the Motorola, the StarTAC. It

01:39:34 ◼   ► It was like the original flip phone. I'm gonna share a link in the chat.

01:39:40 ◼   ► And I remember like back in the day, this is the late 90s, it was like in Italian movies,

01:39:48 ◼   ► like it was so cool to have the StarTAC. It was like the object to have because phones

01:39:56 ◼   ► or like mobile phones were sort of still new at that point. It came out in '96.

01:40:02 ◼   ► And I remember I was very jealous of my dad when he bought the StarTAC.

01:40:08 ◼   ► Yeah, so that was also a cool phone. There was a phone, oh man, who made the phone that

01:40:18 ◼   ► looked like a washing machine? The phone with the washing machine? There was a flip phone

01:40:24 ◼   ► that had a circular screen on the front of it. It was Samsung. Oh yeah. And they advertised it

01:40:33 ◼   ► like it was a washing machine. Super weird but it had this little circular

01:40:39 ◼   ► like screen on the front that was blue. I can picture it but searching for

01:40:44 ◼   ► Samsung washing machine is hopeless. Yeah it's not because Samsung make washing machines. Yeah.

01:40:50 ◼   ► I found a picture of it, but I can't find the name of it.

01:40:53 ◼   ► But yeah, that was a thing that existed too.

01:40:56 ◼   ► Phones will-- OK, so phones used to be really weird.

01:41:00 ◼   ► I think phones are getting weird again,

01:41:02 ◼   ► and I'm very excited about it.

01:41:05 ◼   ► Like when we were growing up, phones were strange.

01:41:08 ◼   ► Like the Nokia phones, where the numbers went around the screen

01:41:11 ◼   ► and stuff.

01:41:11 ◼   ► They did all-- I mean, those engineers all took acid

01:41:14 ◼   ► and then made a bunch of phones.

01:41:16 ◼   ► I had one of those, the little square one

01:41:19 ◼   ► where it went around the screen.

01:41:20 ◼   ► I had that too.

01:41:21 ◼   ► - Oh, yeah.

01:41:22 ◼   ► - And I think that we're getting there again.

01:41:23 ◼   ► People are being weird and fun with their designs,

01:41:25 ◼   ► and I love it.

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