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00:00:02 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected episode 271.

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00:00:20 ◼   ► My name is Steven Hackett and I am joined

00:00:22 ◼   ► by Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Oh, hello.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Hey buddy.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Hi.

00:00:27 ◼   ► You good?

00:00:28 ◼   ► Yeah, you ready for that turkey? Sure. Good. Thanksgiving is here. Yeehaw. Yeehaw.

00:00:35 ◼   ► And Federico Vittucci. Hello, hi, how are you? I'm good, we're doing the show. This is the,

00:00:42 ◼   ► basically the last thing on my schedule this week, because it's a holiday here and taking a couple

00:00:47 ◼   ► days off, so I get to close out my week with you all. That means me and Federico get, we get days

00:00:52 ◼   ► off for free, you know that, right? Because no one else is working. We all work with all Americans,

00:00:55 ◼   ► nobody else is here since the end of our week. Well, I am working though. I know but it's

00:01:00 ◼   ► by choice, you know. It's by choice, not because I have to, as always. I believe you guys are

00:01:10 ◼   ► looking for my follow up on the weird carbon fiber case. Oh wow, we just started. There

00:01:17 ◼   ► was no stopping us this week I guess. I don't have time for chit chat. Whoa, sorry. Let's

00:01:24 ◼   ► Let's get time for that. Nobody wants to hear that.

00:01:26 ◼   ► Reference acknowledged.

00:01:28 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:01:29 ◼   ► Yes, thank you.

00:01:31 ◼   ► Um, so last week I told you guys that I ordered the...

00:01:35 ◼   ► Oh god, what was the name again?

00:01:37 ◼   ► Pitaka.

00:01:37 ◼   ► Pitaka, thank you.

00:01:39 ◼   ► Um, case.

00:01:41 ◼   ► Made of aramid fiber.

00:01:43 ◼   ► A super ugly case.

00:01:44 ◼   ► My girlfriend disagrees.

00:01:46 ◼   ► She thinks it's very cool, and so it is cool because she says so.

00:01:50 ◼   ► Hang on.

00:01:51 ◼   ► I'm not sure how I feel about this.

00:01:53 ◼   ► Sylvia's opinion is what matters for this show.

00:01:59 ◼   ► Wait, hang on a second. I feel like... alright, whatever. I'm not gonna fight this.

00:02:05 ◼   ► Look, I'm just saying she has... she's got style. She knows things about life that I

00:02:15 ◼   ► don't sometimes. And so she said it's good looking and I think it's good looking. But

00:02:22 ◼   ► but honestly I can also see why some people don't like it.

00:02:25 ◼   ► Carbon fiber is a very specific look.

00:02:29 ◼   ► You either like it or you don't like it.

00:02:31 ◼   ► Yes.

00:02:32 ◼   ► I don't think that there's a lot of falling in the middle

00:02:34 ◼   ► on a case that looks like this.

00:02:36 ◼   ► So the Pitaka case, as promised, super thin and super,

00:02:42 ◼   ► like it's very hard material.

00:02:46 ◼   ► Did you try a tiny knife?

00:02:49 ◼   ► I tried.

00:02:50 ◼   ► It wasn't tiny, it was a kitchen knife.

00:02:52 ◼   ► Oh, you actually did.

00:02:54 ◼   ► Yeah, I actually did.

00:02:55 ◼   ► I didn't stab it, but I tried to scratch it

00:02:58 ◼   ► and it didn't scratch.

00:02:59 ◼   ► Like, it just doesn't scratch.

00:03:02 ◼   ► And I thought that was really impressive.

00:03:04 ◼   ► My friends thought it was a really impressive demo.

00:03:07 ◼   ► Everybody thought it was cool.

00:03:08 ◼   ► We had like a dinner and I pulled out my phone

00:03:12 ◼   ► and I started scratching and everybody was like,

00:03:13 ◼   ► "Oh my God, what are you doing?"

00:03:14 ◼   ► And I was like, "Yeah, this is a special fiber case."

00:03:17 ◼   ► You know?

00:03:18 ◼   ► So I was acting all, you know, bragging about it and whatnot.

00:03:23 ◼   ► But then I stopped using it, like, the day after, because the Apple battery case arrived.

00:03:29 ◼   ► And I thought...

00:03:30 ◼   ► See you, Pitaka!

00:03:33 ◼   ► But I will say this.

00:03:36 ◼   ► The Pitaka case works as advertised.

00:03:41 ◼   ► It's super thin.

00:03:42 ◼   ► It's very easy to remove from your phone, which I cannot say for a lot of cases, actually.

00:03:48 ◼   ► You know, I always hate it when it becomes a job in itself to remove a case.

00:03:56 ◼   ► This is very easy to pull out.

00:03:57 ◼   ► I love the fact that it doesn't cover the power button and the volume buttons, so that's

00:04:04 ◼   ► very cool.

00:04:06 ◼   ► It's super thin, and it appears that it's also compatible with a magnetic mount that

00:04:12 ◼   ► Pitaka also makes.

00:04:14 ◼   ► I haven't bought the magnetic mount.

00:04:16 ◼   ► I'm not planning on buying one because all the...

00:04:20 ◼   ► So this, I suppose it is a magnetic mount for your car.

00:04:23 ◼   ► Those have never worked for me.

00:04:25 ◼   ► So it's either a problem of my car, or the way that I install these magnetic mounts.

00:04:32 ◼   ► I believe it's my problem, because I tend to, like generally speaking,

00:04:38 ◼   ► I've always had problems with car mounts, and applying protective covers

00:04:44 ◼   ► on top of the display of any smartphone. Like, I just can't do it. I'm just... I'm not capable

00:04:51 ◼   ► of using my fingers correctly to apply a protective layer of plastic or glass on top of a screen.

00:04:58 ◼   ► Like, I just don't know how to do it. And so, one time I bought one, like a really expensive one,

00:05:05 ◼   ► for 35 euros, and I installed it, and after two hours I threw it out the window. Like,

00:05:11 ◼   ► I literally threw it out a window. Was that needed? Yes. I did, I was very frustrated

00:05:18 ◼   ► about it. So, yeah. In any case, Pitaka makes a good case. But I'm not using it anymore.

00:05:26 ◼   ► So that was 45 euros. Basically wasted. I mean, the follow-up was probably worth it.

00:05:32 ◼   ► Yeah, sure, it was an investment in this episode. Didn't that feel nice? Yes. So, Myke, we have

00:05:40 ◼   ► since you into the world and you have come back with weird popsocket stuff.

00:05:44 ◼   ► Yep, so obviously we've been talking a lot about popsockets recently and there

00:05:50 ◼   ► was a product release last week I think just after the show I don't know why

00:05:55 ◼   ► this product exists but it is a popsocket AirPods case so you can put

00:06:03 ◼   ► your AirPods inside of this case where there's a popsocket mount on it so you

00:06:07 ◼   ► can mount your AirPods to the back of your phone for some reason. So that is a thing

00:06:13 ◼   ► that you can do. I don't know why you would want this. I don't think that it is a good

00:06:20 ◼   ► solution for really anything. But this led me to think, what other stuff can I find on

00:06:29 ◼   ► the PopSocket website because they're a company who seem to just want to make anything that

00:06:37 ◼   ► they possibly can.

00:06:39 ◼   ► So I found...

00:06:40 ◼   ► They call this the PopSocket challenge.

00:06:42 ◼   ► Try and find the weirdest thing on the PopSocket's website.

00:06:45 ◼   ► Challenge.

00:06:46 ◼   ► So I found a selection of things that I want to show to you and to our audience.

00:06:53 ◼   ► The first is called the PopGripLips.

00:06:56 ◼   ► PopGripLips.

00:06:57 ◼   ► Yes.

00:06:58 ◼   ► pop socket which includes a lift up section when you flip it up there is a

00:07:04 ◼   ► lip gloss inside lip balm. Made with beeswax and vitamin E. So that's the

00:07:13 ◼   ► thing if you want to balm your lips and have it built into your pop socket you

00:07:18 ◼   ► can do that. I then thought to myself what is the most expensive pop socket I

00:07:24 ◼   ► can find and I found a $80 popsocket called the popsocket malachite it is

00:07:32 ◼   ► made of the stone malachite so malachite is a stone well that's what it says on

00:07:39 ◼   ► the website sounds like it sounds like a Pokemon natural Europe into deep

00:07:43 ◼   ► natural porous stone malachite which will show some bla bla bla wear and

00:07:47 ◼   ► scratches but it is an $80 popsocket which it looks pretty I don't want to

00:07:53 ◼   ► spend that amount of money. Then the last, I mean it's nice, it's nice if that's your

00:07:59 ◼   ► style. Look Mr. Carbon Fiber, show this one to Sylvia and ask her what she thinks. Text

00:08:05 ◼   ► Sylvia a link to the polished malachite popsocket and say, what do you think? I just want to

00:08:11 ◼   ► know. I'm just trying to understand the level of styles that we're talking about here. The

00:08:15 ◼   ► last thing is the pop thirst, which are drink koozies, drink sleeves that have pop sockets

00:08:21 ◼   ► on them. They are what? Nothing to do with phones at all. So they're like drink holders

00:08:25 ◼   ► with pop sockets on them. So you can have like one for cans, one for like coffee cups,

00:08:32 ◼   ► and then just like this full sleeve and it has a pop socket mount on it. Why would you

00:08:35 ◼   ► need this? Like can you just hold the thing? It feels like I don't understand. No, I mean

00:08:43 ◼   ► I get it. You can make an accessory like this. I guess the thinking is it's like it maybe

00:08:48 ◼   ► keeps them cold or warm and then also just has the popsocket thing on there

00:08:52 ◼   ► but like I don't know yeah let's go with that okay so these are this is the trip

00:08:57 ◼   ► that I have taken through the popsocket website to bring you this thank you

00:09:02 ◼   ► thank you for your service anytime they also have wallets with pop sockets on

00:09:06 ◼   ► them yeah they didn't seem so weird to me you know they have pop sockets but

00:09:11 ◼   ► the wallet sticks to the back of your phone though what's a pop mount that is

00:09:16 ◼   ► like so you know you were just talking about those magnetic mounts so you put

00:09:20 ◼   ► those in your car and you can hang your phone on it because your phone's got the

00:09:22 ◼   ► popsucking on it and it just slots right in there. I see. It's actually pretty cool.

00:09:27 ◼   ► There's a lot of things on this website. Thank you Michael. Anytime. We spoke last

00:09:33 ◼   ► time about the Mac Pro factory and we had lots of questions about the

00:09:39 ◼   ► situation there and we got some feedback on that. Someone wrote in about the

00:09:43 ◼   ► screen rotation. So we noticed that the IMAX were hanging upside down. We

00:09:48 ◼   ► discovered thanks to underscore how you do that in Mac OS. And it was it was very

00:09:53 ◼   ► confusing because the mouse the mouse control was was backwards. This person

00:09:58 ◼   ► wrote in clarifying that this would not be the case if you hadn't physically

00:10:04 ◼   ► rotated your displays like those in the Mac Pro factory. So I guess because the

00:10:07 ◼   ► machine was upside down and then the image was upside down it it evens out. I

00:10:12 ◼   ► I don't know, I tried drawing this,

00:10:14 ◼   ► I can't figure out what they're saying,

00:10:16 ◼   ► but I also didn't hang my iMac Pro upside down

00:10:19 ◼   ► to see if it works, but apparently,

00:10:21 ◼   ► if you turn the machine upside down,

00:10:22 ◼   ► but then the picture upside down again,

00:10:25 ◼   ► then basically the mouse movement would be normal again,

00:10:28 ◼   ► because the dock is still at the bottom,

00:10:30 ◼   ► the mini bar is still at the top.

00:10:31 ◼   ► Does that make sense?

00:10:33 ◼   ► - I believe they call this quantum mechanics.

00:10:35 ◼   ► - Yes, it is.

00:10:36 ◼   ► That's NASA JPL, they're working on this.

00:10:39 ◼   ► - Is that what that is?

00:10:42 ◼   ► Yeah. Yes. It's about turning electrons upside down multiple times.

00:10:50 ◼   ► The more you know, right?

00:10:51 ◼   ► Now you know. This is a science podcast. We can talk about anything. You want to hear

00:10:56 ◼   ► about quantum physics? We'll talk about quantum physics. No problem.

00:11:00 ◼   ► Is that different to quantum mechanics?

00:11:01 ◼   ► Totally different, man. Come on.

00:11:03 ◼   ► Oh yeah, totally different. See, in quantum physics, you just talk about turning things

00:11:07 ◼   ► upside down. You don't actually do it.

00:11:09 ◼   ► So the physics is when you just talk about it. Yeah, and then the mechanics is when you do it. Yes

00:11:14 ◼   ► As in all things physics, it's a theoretical and applicable, you know different different things

00:11:21 ◼   ► See, this is why I need you guys in my life

00:11:24 ◼   ► You're welcome. Someone else wrote in saying that they work for a US factory related to technology

00:11:30 ◼   ► It's as specific as they were and can confirm that we are still using Windows XP in

00:11:36 ◼   ► Manufacturing this particular plant is looking to upgrade to Windows 10

00:11:39 ◼   ► But the software runs really slow and terribly on it because it was written for Windows XP

00:11:44 ◼   ► So it's uh, it's not there. So you've got to assume I mean we I don't know

00:11:49 ◼   ► I didn't read this email Stephen reads all the email, which is great

00:11:52 ◼   ► This came in a bottle actually was like it was like a handwritten note in a bottle. Was it upside down?

00:11:57 ◼   ► Not a surprise from Windows XP guy. He can't email

00:12:01 ◼   ► Well, I'm assuming that this person does not work in a manufacturing company that makes PCs,

00:12:07 ◼   ► like Windows PCs, because otherwise they wouldn't be surprised that they were using Windows XP,

00:12:11 ◼   ► right? I don't know. I don't know. That's my theory.

00:12:14 ◼   ► So Windows XP is out there, you know, it'll never die.

00:12:17 ◼   ► That's probably true, you know. I don't think it's ever gonna die.

00:12:21 ◼   ► If I can find the link, I'll put it in the show notes. I can't promise I can find it again,

00:12:25 ◼   ► because I watched it a while back about OS/2, which was like this IBM project to like rival

00:12:31 ◼   ► Windows or whatever and how it is still in use on like ATM machines.

00:12:36 ◼   ► Oh I used to use OS/2 when I was working in the bank.

00:12:39 ◼   ► And mass transit, yeah. So OS/2 has been dead for years,

00:12:42 ◼   ► sorry, got English, but it is still out there. People are still using it.

00:12:47 ◼   ► If something is adopted by the finance industry it will never change.

00:12:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:51 ◼   ► Because it's an old slow industry that moves very cautiously.

00:12:55 ◼   ► I wanted to tell you a quick tale about HomePod multi-user support.

00:13:00 ◼   ► Oh boy, not again.

00:13:02 ◼   ► No, I just hit a funny snag. It's an unexpected side effect. Adina is not an Apple Music user. She's a Spotify user.

00:13:09 ◼   ► She can now no longer request music.

00:13:12 ◼   ► Hmm interesting. Right? Because the Apple Music was on my account and because she doesn't have an Apple Music account

00:13:20 ◼   ► when she asks, it's like I can't do that.

00:13:22 ◼   ► Right? And you don't have a music family plan.

00:13:28 ◼   ► We don't have music family plan because she's the reason we didn't do that is because she's all in on Spotify

00:13:32 ◼   ► She doesn't want to move to Apple music like she likes Spotify

00:13:35 ◼   ► So then Apple music is one of the only services where you have to pay more to put it in the family plan

00:13:42 ◼   ► So will it just be wasted although now it might not be wasted because now we need to be able to she can't request music

00:13:48 ◼   ► Like so what she ended up doing was air playing from her phone to their home not great

00:13:53 ◼   ► Which is not great.

00:13:55 ◼   ► I don't use Spotify.

00:13:57 ◼   ► You can't talk to Spotify through Siri yet?

00:13:59 ◼   ► No, and it literally says, "I cannot do that with Spotify."

00:14:02 ◼   ► Wow.

00:14:03 ◼   ► I cannot do it with those--

00:14:05 ◼   ► Like I have a custom message, I think.

00:14:05 ◼   ► I can't do this for you, dirty Spotify user.

00:14:08 ◼   ► Please subscribe to Apple Music.

00:14:10 ◼   ► Wait, Spotify doesn't have Siri integration?

00:14:13 ◼   ► I thought they did.

00:14:14 ◼   ► Well, it didn't work with the HomePod.

00:14:16 ◼   ► Yeah, it may be that it's on the phone, but not on the--

00:14:19 ◼   ► Maybe it wouldn't work with the HomePod, yeah.

00:14:21 ◼   ► because I do believe that they launched it on the phone.

00:14:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, do you guys hear that?

00:14:25 ◼   ► It's a thousand tweets being written

00:14:26 ◼   ► telling us that it's on the phone.

00:14:28 ◼   ► - I also have a HomePod issue that's been happening

00:14:31 ◼   ► for the past couple of weeks,

00:14:32 ◼   ► and it's one of those things that it's just,

00:14:35 ◼   ► I don't wanna fix it because it's a whole thing

00:14:38 ◼   ► to go through the process, so let me explain.

00:14:40 ◼   ► - And 9to5Mac article says that it should be working

00:14:43 ◼   ► via a software update to the HomePod, but it didn't work,

00:14:46 ◼   ► and this was on October 7th, so I don't know what to suggest.

00:14:49 ◼   ► I was just trying to close that loop, I apologize.

00:14:51 ◼   ► interrupting. So for the past couple of weeks whenever I open the home app, one of my three

00:14:57 ◼   ► home pods, the one in the hallway, says in red "Account" with an explanation point. I tap on it

00:15:07 ◼   ► and it says something like "Unable to connect to your iCloud account" and I log into my iCloud

00:15:14 ◼   ► account again, successfully. The account warning disappears, a few days pass, it's

00:15:22 ◼   ► back. This has been going on for two, three weeks. I've tried to power cycle

00:15:28 ◼   ► the HomePod multiple times. No, it doesn't fix it. It's updated to the

00:15:33 ◼   ► latest version. This was happening before I installed the 13.3 beta on my phone.

00:15:40 ◼   ► and I'm guessing that somebody will say,

00:15:44 ◼   ► "Just reset your HomePod," but I really don't want to.

00:15:47 ◼   ► I shouldn't have to, and I don't want to,

00:15:51 ◼   ► to go through the process of resetting

00:15:53 ◼   ► and redoing the setup and saying, "Yes, personal requests."

00:15:56 ◼   ► - Ah, just file a radar.

00:15:58 ◼   ► Just file a radar.

00:15:59 ◼   ► - Sure, I could file a radar.

00:16:01 ◼   ► I'm guessing that, or in this case,

00:16:04 ◼   ► because it's not a high priority bug for me,

00:16:07 ◼   ► because look, you gotta think about your own interests.

00:16:10 ◼   ► year, right? And I'll just wait for it to be fixed eventually. Like it'll fix itself

00:16:17 ◼   ► I'm sure at some point. It broke itself? Surely it can fix itself?

00:16:22 ◼   ► It broke itself, you fixed yourself. I don't care. My girlfriend doesn't even like you.

00:16:28 ◼   ► You're here because, you know, out of a favour. But yeah, it'll fix itself at some point.

00:16:34 ◼   ► Wait, what's the favour? What's going on? Like I'm keeping that home part around.

00:16:40 ◼   ► a favor? To who? No, Sylvia fundamentally despises the home pods. Like all of them.

00:16:48 ◼   ► Oh, sex time. Is this more or less than she despises the Echo?

00:16:54 ◼   ► No, you don't understand. Is it a style problem?

00:16:57 ◼   ► She is, no, no, no, no. She is nostalgic of the Echo now.

00:17:03 ◼   ► Oh, you've crossed that line now. Whenever she sees an Echo commercial on TV,

00:17:08 ◼   ► And we have plenty of those over here. She looks at that object longingly, like, "Oh,

00:17:14 ◼   ► I remember those days."

00:17:16 ◼   ► I'm gonna buy one and send it to your house.

00:17:19 ◼   ► I have one. You don't need to.

00:17:22 ◼   ► It's just a mess of you.

00:17:27 ◼   ► Like every time I talk to Siri and Siri responds, she comments on it. She simply comments on

00:17:34 ◼   ► it?" She's like, "Oh, so stupid." Every single time. And I'm like, "Come on." So my excuse

00:17:44 ◼   ► is I need it for work. That's what I say. Like, I need it for work.

00:17:48 ◼   ► Oh, you've gone to that level?

00:17:50 ◼   ► Yeah. And she's like, "Yeah, but you need three of them."

00:17:52 ◼   ► She sees through you, man. She knows you. I have the same thing on the HomePod in my

00:17:57 ◼   ► studio. The two in the house don't do it. And every time I open the Home app, it says

00:18:02 ◼   ► account and big red letters. It also bothers me because if you go try to enter the iCloud

00:18:08 ◼   ► password, I think this is one of the places where you can use a password manager for like

00:18:13 ◼   ► the system prompt but sometimes you can't like Apple just didn't hook it up on some

00:18:18 ◼   ► screens and you have to like go if it's intermittent you have to like go to one password copy your

00:18:22 ◼   ► Apple ID password because mine's really long and then like wait for it to happen again

00:18:26 ◼   ► and hope it's still on your clipboard like killing me killing me Apple teachy Black Friday

00:18:31 ◼   ► as it's known, #TGFriday.

00:18:33 ◼   ► Mmm.

00:18:34 ◼   ► You know, it's a time for hashtag deals.

00:18:36 ◼   ► And, uh, you have a hashtag deals thing going on in MacStories.

00:18:42 ◼   ► You wanna tell us about it?

00:18:43 ◼   ► Well, we don't have the hashtag, so I hope that's still good enough.

00:18:46 ◼   ► Just regular deals.

00:18:47 ◼   ► Well.

00:18:48 ◼   ► Nope.

00:18:49 ◼   ► Check it out list.

00:18:50 ◼   ► It's not a hashtag.

00:18:51 ◼   ► Moving on, next topic.

00:18:52 ◼   ► Don't want it.

00:18:53 ◼   ► All right.

00:18:54 ◼   ► So we have a hashtag deal.

00:18:55 ◼   ► Our MacStories shortcuts icons, we talked about them before.

00:18:59 ◼   ► They are on sale at 50% off until Monday evening US time.

00:19:04 ◼   ► So these are the 350 icons that we launched

00:19:11 ◼   ► a few months ago.

00:19:13 ◼   ► They are custom icons to customize the look of shortcuts

00:19:17 ◼   ► that you add to your home screen.

00:19:20 ◼   ► This is a new feature of iOS 13.1,

00:19:23 ◼   ► which launched in September.

00:19:25 ◼   ► And there's hundreds of icons in the set for task management,

00:19:31 ◼   ► AirPlay, there's a few home pods in there, all kinds of options.

00:19:37 ◼   ► And the response to these icons has been incredible, way better

00:19:42 ◼   ► than I actually expected.

00:19:44 ◼   ► And so we thought, for Black Friday,

00:19:46 ◼   ► why don't we do a sale so that even more people can actually

00:19:51 ◼   ► take advantage of this?

00:19:52 ◼   ► Because we realized that normally they're

00:19:54 ◼   ► instead of $15, which is by modern internet standards not exactly cheap, but it's also

00:20:00 ◼   ► 350 icons that Sylvia, you know, did each one manually.

00:20:04 ◼   ► And you know they have style, right?

00:20:06 ◼   ► Yeah, you know it's cool.

00:20:07 ◼   ► We know that, but they got style because Sylvia made that.

00:20:09 ◼   ► They got style because she made...

00:20:10 ◼   ► See, that's what I told you, exactly.

00:20:12 ◼   ► So...

00:20:13 ◼   ► Did she sneak any Amazon Echo designs in there, like, log in?

00:20:17 ◼   ► She actually did ask me, "Do we really have to do the HomePod instead of another cylinder?"

00:20:26 ◼   ► And I told her...

00:20:27 ◼   ► You could just tell her it's the second edition Echo instead.

00:20:29 ◼   ► I told her it could be the Echo Studio.

00:20:32 ◼   ► It's got that ugly hole in it.

00:20:35 ◼   ► Totally, totally unrelated.

00:20:36 ◼   ► But a few days ago, there was a commercial on TV for a Lizzo album.

00:20:44 ◼   ► So you guys know Lizzo, right?

00:20:46 ◼   ► Wait a second, hold on, hold on, hold on. Steven?

00:20:50 ◼   ► Steven, do you know who Lizzo is?

00:20:52 ◼   ► [whistling]

00:20:53 ◼   ► Just checking, just checking.

00:20:56 ◼   ► Anyway, Lizzo album recorded in, oh god, what's it called? The Dolby audio.

00:21:06 ◼   ► Atmos.

00:21:07 ◼   ► Atmos, thank you.

00:21:09 ◼   ► Which one's the stuff that you see and which one's the one that you hear?

00:21:12 ◼   ► Atmos is audio, Vision.

00:21:13 ◼   ► Dolby Vision.

00:21:14 ◼   ► Vision.

00:21:15 ◼   ► Cool.

00:21:16 ◼   ► You see with your vision. You see with your atmos. So an album by Lizzo recorded in Dolby

00:21:22 ◼   ► Atmos. And as soon as I saw that, I was like, Oh, come on. What is I literally said, what's

00:21:27 ◼   ► this gimmick? Like who wants to listen to albums in Dolby Atmos? That's, you know, that

00:21:34 ◼   ► I don't believe it's a thing. Three seconds later. So Sylvia and I are together. We're

00:21:40 ◼   ► in bed watching TV three seconds later. "Get your music in Dolby Atmos, exclusively on

00:21:46 ◼   ► Amazon Echo Studio." And she turns to me and says, "See? They're doing this advanced stuff."

00:21:56 ◼   ► Anyway, and the Echo Studio kind of... I just like the "See? See? What should HomePod do?

00:22:03 ◼   ► Nothing." The Echo Studio kind of looks like a squished HomePod. Anyway. Yes, the Echo

00:22:10 ◼   ► Yes, the icons are on sale, 50% off.

00:22:12 ◼   ► You can use promo code BFICONS19,

00:22:15 ◼   ► that's one, nine as numbers,

00:22:17 ◼   ► to apply the discount.

00:22:21 ◼   ► It's up today, it expires on Monday,

00:22:24 ◼   ► and I guess it's the perfect time you get a holiday break.

00:22:29 ◼   ► You can, John, our friend John Voorhees

00:22:32 ◼   ► went through this process himself.

00:22:33 ◼   ► He reorganized his home screens,

00:22:35 ◼   ► reorganized his shortcuts library,

00:22:37 ◼   ► So it's a good time to reorganize things,

00:22:40 ◼   ► choose a few shortcuts, apply a few custom icons,

00:22:42 ◼   ► and you have a much prettier home screen.

00:22:46 ◼   ► - I need to let you all know that we have gotten

00:22:49 ◼   ► several emails from people who have also emailed

00:22:51 ◼   ► the Apple trailers, what, email?

00:22:54 ◼   ► - No!

00:22:55 ◼   ► This wasn't something I was expecting,

00:22:58 ◼   ► I should have assumed.

00:22:59 ◼   ► - That poor person working on that team.

00:23:03 ◼   ► - So I've gotten a couple of emails about it,

00:23:05 ◼   ► And you know, most of the time it's like,

00:23:07 ◼   ► hey, thanks for checking out the website.

00:23:10 ◼   ► But one person wrote in, a listener, Chris,

00:23:13 ◼   ► wrote to the trailers team and said,

00:23:16 ◼   ► you were mentioned on the connected podcast

00:23:18 ◼   ► and that probably explains why you're getting email.

00:23:21 ◼   ► And you know-

00:23:21 ◼   ► - Oh, we've been skit, we've been, we snitched.

00:23:24 ◼   ► Chris, you're snitch.

00:23:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, he read us out.

00:23:26 ◼   ► And then Eddie Q. replied,

00:23:29 ◼   ► - What? - Well, movie trailers

00:23:31 ◼   ► at trailers@mac.com, but you know, it's Eddie.

00:23:33 ◼   ► I was gonna say jeez I got escalated. We didn't catch that podcast episode

00:23:38 ◼   ► Period space space. No, you tell us what episode it was that iTunes trailers was mentioned question mark space space

00:23:46 ◼   ► Thank you for being a fan of the site and for the heads up

00:23:49 ◼   ► This is double spaces in an email

00:23:52 ◼   ► Double space and the curse responded with an overcast link. So anyways, so now Apple knows about us and

00:23:59 ◼   ► You know, it's over. Well, oh they already knew about us enough to you know, feature us on stage with our girlfriend Timmy Tim Tim

00:24:06 ◼   ► Yeah, but now they but now they know about the terrible things we do and that's the problem, isn't it?

00:24:11 ◼   ► Yeah, that's that's the issue. Well, at least we got in well, right

00:24:15 ◼   ► We got we got the artwork in before they found this out, you know, yeah

00:24:20 ◼   ► Well, I guess gentlemen, it's been an honor to do the show we can do like the quartet on the Titanic

00:24:26 ◼   ► You know the movie when they sync with the ship

00:24:28 ◼   ► podcast on the way down. I wanted to write some follow-out to upgrade episode

00:24:36 ◼   ► 273. There's a really good conversation, Myke, you and Jason had about Tim Cook

00:24:42 ◼   ► taking Donald Trump to the Mac Pro factory and sort of the optics around

00:24:46 ◼   ► that. That sentence. The fact that I have to say it. Our context is madness. But yes, sure.

00:24:55 ◼   ► I I was very I had lots of thoughts that I needed to get out somewhere

00:25:01 ◼   ► And convinced Jason to allow me to do them

00:25:04 ◼   ► So if you want to hear what me and Jason had to say about that

00:25:08 ◼   ► Which is a very it's a very complex set of feelings you can go listen to upgrade 273

00:25:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I thought you did a good job handling it. We've had people ask us to talk about that

00:25:17 ◼   ► basically

00:25:18 ◼   ► if if I

00:25:19 ◼   ► Were on upgrade instead of Jason or instead of you Myke like the competition would have been the same my thoughts align with yours

00:25:25 ◼   ► And I only have the energy for that one so go listen to that and you know

00:25:29 ◼   ► I'm sure Tim Cook is taking a lot of

00:25:31 ◼   ► And acid when that meeting was over all right. We have a bunch of stuff to talk about

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00:27:33 ◼   ► It's black Friday, and I finally bought a television like for the first time ever

00:27:38 ◼   ► Well no, do you remember I was gonna buy a TV like a year ago and just didn't do it?

00:27:43 ◼   ► I thought you did buy a TV a year ago.

00:27:44 ◼   ► No, I didn't. I wanted to but I never got around to it. I was waiting.

00:27:48 ◼   ► This makes me feel better because I thought you had just bought one. Like seriously,

00:27:52 ◼   ► you guys like what are you doing?

00:27:53 ◼   ► We spoke about it.

00:27:54 ◼   ► I don't remember.

00:27:54 ◼   ► We spoke about it whenever Eurovision was. I think it was in like February or something.

00:28:00 ◼   ► Yeah, we did.

00:28:01 ◼   ► May. It was in May and I didn't buy one in the end because I just wasn't sure what

00:28:07 ◼   ► features were going to be in what TV right? Do you remember there was like this

00:28:11 ◼   ► just like oh the HomeKit stuff hadn't come out yet and all the companies were

00:28:16 ◼   ► like oh we'll just be in our 2019 TVs like what does that mean right like you

00:28:20 ◼   ► no one was being clear that stuff is all taken care of now and I bought a TV and

00:28:25 ◼   ► it arrived today I bought an LG TV I bought the 55 inch E9 OLED TV okay

00:28:34 ◼   ► There's a lot to basically the LG have two major lines right now the C9 and the E9

00:28:40 ◼   ► For as much as I can tell the only differences between the C9 and the E9 are the way they look

00:28:46 ◼   ► And I love the way this TV looks so if you look at some of the images I put in the show notes

00:28:52 ◼   ► The stand is all on the back of this TV

00:28:56 ◼   ► There's no stand on the front of this TV. That's real. So like it's very nice

00:29:01 ◼   ► So it just sits on the like whatever you have it on it just looks like it's just there right like there's no stand

00:29:07 ◼   ► It's really cool. I like the remote a lot. It comes with the web OS

00:29:12 ◼   ► stuff yeah

00:29:14 ◼   ► And I'm still trying to navigate the web OS stuff because I'm a little bit confused by some of it like it isn't

00:29:21 ◼   ► super easy to switch inputs

00:29:23 ◼   ► And I'm I've only spent like an hour or two with it and I can see that I can get what I want

00:29:28 ◼   ► I'm just gonna have to take some time to customize it

00:29:31 ◼   ► I'm not 100% sure I'm keeping this TV yet though, that's the problem. So we have two

00:29:37 ◼   ► things. One, it's very, very big. It's very, very big boys. It's a big TV. I sent you a

00:29:44 ◼   ► picture. It's massive. I wasn't expecting that. I bought a big TV and I got a big TV.

00:29:51 ◼   ► But you know, sometimes you see a thing, you measure it and you think you know what it's

00:29:57 ◼   ► gonna be. Look how beautiful that is in that photo. It's perfect. It's a very, it's a beautiful

00:30:02 ◼   ► TV but it's just very big and so like we just need to make sure that we're happy with the size of it

00:30:08 ◼   ► plus uh Idina felt a little motion sick when I was setting it up so we just need to like,

00:30:13 ◼   ► it might be too much, we're not sure yet, uh we need to spend a little bit more time with it but

00:30:20 ◼   ► Oh my god. Oh my god, it's amazing. I played some of For All Mankind because when I plugged

00:30:29 ◼   ► in the Apple TV, it was like, "Oh hey, you can do the Dolby!" And I assume it was the

00:30:34 ◼   ► Vision. I don't remember now. The menus look unbelievable.

00:30:41 ◼   ► The colors are so much better.

00:30:42 ◼   ► The colors, the crispness. And then I played some of For All Mankind and with like the

00:30:47 ◼   ► HDR and Dolby stuff it looked fantastic like so good everything was darker but

00:30:56 ◼   ► in a good way you know what I mean and like and what was dark was like pitch

00:31:00 ◼   ► black right like it's like true the OLED black it has homekit and Airplay that

00:31:08 ◼   ► was all awesome I'm able to watch you know it has a pretty decent YouTube app

00:31:13 ◼   ► It like basically is the exact same app with a few better features that the Apple TV one has the YouTube app

00:31:20 ◼   ► Of web OS is so much better than the Apple

00:31:22 ◼   ► Yeah, you won you can do 4k and I could watch stuff in 4k

00:31:25 ◼   ► Which is like the main thing that I was looking for from it, right?

00:31:28 ◼   ► I see this in my picture your content test. I assumed the first thing you tried was watching one of my videos in 4k

00:31:34 ◼   ► Let's say it was at least the second thing

00:31:37 ◼   ► Wow, I still did it though. I want to see how good you looked and you look really good

00:31:42 ◼   ► That's yeah. Look you came after MKBHD now

00:31:46 ◼   ► I didn't know if you even shot in 4k, but I knew he did do right for

00:31:50 ◼   ► A year and a half. Well now I know and I know I know because I test no, I know you shoot

00:31:56 ◼   ► I didn't know you uploaded in 4k. I've never seen it. I've never had the option

00:31:59 ◼   ► I watch all of your stuff on my iPad or on my Apple TV. I didn't know you're in 4k

00:32:03 ◼   ► Yeah, the only two I can't ever watch it. It's like I assume this is fine

00:32:07 ◼   ► Yeah, it looks amazing the 4k is so good the TV. I think it is sized appropriately for the piece of furniture. It's on

00:32:15 ◼   ► That is true it, but it is

00:32:18 ◼   ► Potentially not sized appropriately for how close we are to it

00:32:22 ◼   ► That's yes, I've been in this room, and it seems like a lot of TV

00:32:27 ◼   ► But you know give it a little time

00:32:29 ◼   ► I would make sure we go into you know that you don't have any settings that could be aggravating her motion sickness

00:32:36 ◼   ► Idina didn't like when I was zipping around the menus and I think that might have been the problem and also it's very

00:32:42 ◼   ► Bright this TV. So we're having to try and like find a brightness level which is a bit more comfortable

00:32:47 ◼   ► but it is stunning and I love being able to ask the home pod to turn the TV on and like I can set it into

00:32:56 ◼   ► My like all of my scenes and stuff, right?

00:32:59 ◼   ► So when I say good night, it can like turn it all off like it's really just it's very awesome

00:33:05 ◼   ► So when you watched "For All Mankind", do you remember if it was Dolby Vision or just HDR?

00:33:13 ◼   ► So in the top right corner you should see a notification.

00:33:16 ◼   ► Oh, I didn't. I think it said... Well, from the TV.

00:33:20 ◼   ► Yeah, the TV. The TV, when you load content...

00:33:23 ◼   ► It said Dolby Vision, I think.

00:33:24 ◼   ► Interesting. So I saw Nilay Patel tweet about this a few days ago. I have the same issue.

00:33:30 ◼   ► When I started watching the Apple TV+ shows, they were all in Dolby Vision.

00:33:36 ◼   ► And my TV shows me I have a webOS TV, and in the top right corner, when you load content,

00:33:43 ◼   ► such as a TV show that supports Dolby Atmos and Vision, you'll get two little banners

00:33:47 ◼   ► that say Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision.

00:33:50 ◼   ► But for starting from episode 5 of both The Morning Show and For All Mankind, Dolby Vision

00:33:58 ◼   ► was gone and I only get standard HDR. So I saw an Eli Patel tweet about the very same

00:34:05 ◼   ► exact problem, also happened to me, so I wonder what's going on.

00:34:10 ◼   ► I don't know, but I know it looked good, right? The HDR.

00:34:13 ◼   ► It does look good.

00:34:14 ◼   ► Because also I know it's a good 4K source that's coming from Apple too, right? So I

00:34:21 ◼   ► will have to try that out more and can report back, but it may have... I definitely saw

00:34:26 ◼   ► the notification for Dolby but it could have been just with the menus or something, I don't

00:34:29 ◼   ► know. But I know that it can do it but I just know it looks fantastic. The sound is very

00:34:34 ◼   ► good on this TV but I use the HomePods most of the time but when I'm watching YouTube

00:34:40 ◼   ► videos I can't do that. The AirPlay stuff is really interesting because it looks like

00:34:45 ◼   ► an Apple menu inside of WebOS. It's fascinating. You can go into the TV and change some settings

00:34:53 ◼   ► around Airplay and the HomeKit stuff and it looks like Apple built the UI which is really

00:34:59 ◼   ► interesting. Do you have this on your TV Federico?

00:35:02 ◼   ► No, I do not have native HomeKit and Airplay. I needed to add them via Homebridge.

00:35:09 ◼   ► Homebridge. So this is built into this TV right? So like you get the QR code, you scan

00:35:14 ◼   ► it and I had to scan it four times before it would work of course. But then the settings

00:35:19 ◼   ► on the TV look like the Apple TV? Like it's like the Apple TV UI, but none of the other,

00:35:28 ◼   ► nothing else on the TV looks like that. So it's kind of interesting. So yeah, I'm trying

00:35:32 ◼   ► to get my head around things. I'm a little upset that the Apple TV isn't turning on this

00:35:37 ◼   ► TV anymore. It will turn it off, but it won't turn it on. I was one of those people that

00:35:41 ◼   ► could make that work. But this, the TV also told me, the TV ducks, they tell me lots of

00:35:48 ◼   ► things. The TV told me that it could control my Apple TV, but I have to set that up, so

00:35:57 ◼   ► I might try that out. What else did I like? Oh, you can wave the remote around and it

00:36:05 ◼   ► removes the cursor on the TV.

00:36:07 ◼   ► Yes, yes. Mine has the same remote.

00:36:09 ◼   ► Which is super awesome and so weird, but a great way to... And it has a little scroll

00:36:14 ◼   ► wheel, a physical scroll wheel on the remote control.

00:36:18 ◼   ► That's my favorite remote and I know it's a plastic thing full of buttons.

00:36:22 ◼   ► It's a great remote!

00:36:23 ◼   ► But I'll tell you what, in two years that remote has been used thousands of times, not

00:36:30 ◼   ► a single issue. I can feel every section of the remote by hand. The Apple TV remote is,

00:36:37 ◼   ► on the other hand, you touch it ever so accidentally and it quits the TV show you're watching and

00:36:43 ◼   ► And it goes back to the menu or whatever. Like, the webOS remote is good. It's a plastic

00:36:48 ◼   ► remote with tons of buttons, but it's good. It's got colors. You know, this thing that

00:36:53 ◼   ► people see called color? Well, this remote has it.

00:36:57 ◼   ► It has a Netflix button and a Prime Video button. I wish it didn't have the Prime Video

00:37:03 ◼   ► button. I would like a YouTube button, honestly.

00:37:04 ◼   ► That's called the Jack Ryan button.

00:37:08 ◼   ► It had ads. The TV had ads in it, but I found a way to turn those off. So that was good.

00:37:13 ◼   ► it's like, what about I was like, okay, I need to find something that says personalisation

00:37:18 ◼   ► and I was correct. It's called TV personalisation or something like that. No, don't want the

00:37:23 ◼   ► ads. Thank you, OG. I paid you a lot of money for this TV. I don't need your ads. But the

00:37:28 ◼   ► fact that I could turn them off fine. Right. Like I'm happy with that. You let me turn

00:37:31 ◼   ► them off. I have a question for you too. I don't know if you know. Aside from Apple,

00:37:35 ◼   ► do any other companies have the ability to or do they're streaming stuff in 4k Netflix

00:37:42 ◼   ► does right on the Apple TV? That's 4K isn't it? Yeah they do it's 4K I'm not sure if it's Dolby Vision.

00:37:46 ◼   ► I don't think it is but I could be. Okay I'm just double checking that like I can uh I'm able to

00:37:53 ◼   ► just I don't have to use the TV's app to watch that stuff I can keep using the Apple TV is one

00:37:58 ◼   ► on one. Yeah and I don't know about Hulu or others but. Nah we don't get that nonsense here. Well

00:38:04 ◼   ► Maybe one day.

00:38:05 ◼   ► I wish we could.

00:38:07 ◼   ► Uhh, hopefully.

00:38:08 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:38:09 ◼   ► We'll get Disney+ in March, but not that it matters, because people won't stop spoiling

00:38:14 ◼   ► The Mandalorian.

00:38:16 ◼   ► They just won't stop.

00:38:17 ◼   ► People won't stop.

00:38:18 ◼   ► Yeah, little baby Yoda.

00:38:19 ◼   ► Yeah, let's just get the scale of your tweets out.

00:38:21 ◼   ► So happy.

00:38:22 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:38:23 ◼   ► But yeah, love my new TV, but we might not be keeping the new TV.

00:38:26 ◼   ► I will follow up on to whether we keep the new TV.

00:38:29 ◼   ► Also we started watching The Watchmen.

00:38:31 ◼   ► It's really good, people aren't joking.

00:38:33 ◼   ► What is The Watchmen?

00:38:34 ◼   ► It's like Batman.

00:38:36 ◼   ► It is a HBO show based on...

00:38:37 ◼   ► About people buying watches?

00:38:39 ◼   ► No, it is based on a very gritty superhero comic called The Watchman, but it's based

00:38:45 ◼   ► many many years after.

00:38:47 ◼   ► I love it.

00:38:48 ◼   ► It's fantastic.

00:38:49 ◼   ► Basically Batman and the X-Men hang out.

00:38:52 ◼   ► It's not true, but thank you for that.

00:38:54 ◼   ► I'm not sure why this next thing wasn't in follow-up.

00:38:57 ◼   ► I think it just fell victim to our Google Doc, but we had talked about HomeKit Secure

00:39:02 ◼   ► Video.

00:39:03 ◼   ► Well technically, technically what I just did was follow up from May.

00:39:07 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean everything is follow up at some at some level, but this feels

00:39:11 ◼   ► pretty follow-uppy. So we were talking about the videos that home kits secure.

00:39:16 ◼   ► Did you just say follow-uppy as an objective?

00:39:19 ◼   ► Yeah, follow-up.

00:39:20 ◼   ► Okay.

00:39:20 ◼   ► Follow-up-esque?

00:39:22 ◼   ► Follow-up-esque is nice. That's very fancy.

00:39:24 ◼   ► Yeah, that's better than follow-uppy. I regret follow-uppy.

00:39:27 ◼   ► What about like follow-uppable?

00:39:30 ◼   ► No, that's like a different, like, is this follow up a bull?

00:39:34 ◼   ► I know, but just, yeah, that's what I'm asking. Like, it just, I'm thinking of other words now

00:39:38 ◼   ► that we can use. Follow up esque is nice. Yeah. Follow up esque is good. I like that.

00:39:44 ◼   ► We talked about the storage situation with HomeKit Secure Video and Chris found a screenshot of a

00:39:51 ◼   ► slide from WWDC because I cannot find this on Apple's website, but according to at least this

00:39:59 ◼   ► slide from the summer is home kit secure video has a 10 day recording. So past 10 days, it doesn't

00:40:07 ◼   ► save them. It is not counted in your storage limit of your iCloud account. That makes no sense to me.

00:40:14 ◼   ► And then some things we already knew. For the two gigabyte plan, you can have a single camera

00:40:20 ◼   ► for up to five cameras, you need a two terabyte plan. If you want more than five cameras,

00:40:24 ◼   ► you're out of luck. So I don't, it's cool if it doesn't count against your storage,

00:40:28 ◼   ► that would explain why I couldn't find it counted anywhere. But I haven't been able to

00:40:34 ◼   ► other than this slide, I believe, like, I believe this is real. I'm not doubting this follow up,

00:40:38 ◼   ► but I haven't found it in Apple's support site anywhere. But in I'm on whatever the newest beta

00:40:45 ◼   ► of iOS 13.3 is, and all my problems remain, john voorhees set up a second camera because he loves

00:40:50 ◼   ► notifications so much and that's freaking out. He loves to watch people outside, that's what he loves.

00:40:56 ◼   ► He also loves punishment. He loves when a single leaf falls from a tree and he gets six

00:41:02 ◼   ► notifications on its way down. I don't know what that says about his character. Yeah, I don't know.

00:41:07 ◼   ► So there's that and again there's like router stuff and there's more HomeKit stuff coming,

00:41:12 ◼   ► we just haven't seen it yet. I think I kind of get the sense with HomeKit over the years that

00:41:19 ◼   ► basically Apple announces, hey, HomeKit can do these things. And like, they just told all these

00:41:23 ◼   ► partners the day before and it's like, oh, check back in nine months. Like when Google shut down

00:41:30 ◼   ► the Nest thing, right? They found out during the event. My entire company's built on that. No.

00:41:37 ◼   ► Oh, it's not funny. I really still want this to work. I would love to move to this at some point,

00:41:46 ◼   ► but all the problems remain as we spoke about last time.

00:41:49 ◼   ► So this I think will be something that we check in on

00:41:52 ◼   ► because it's a really interesting part of HomeKit, right?

00:41:55 ◼   ► It's really cool the way Apple's doing this.

00:41:57 ◼   ► It'd be cooler if it worked, that's what I'm saying.

00:42:00 ◼   ► Next follow-up slash tiny topic,

00:42:02 ◼   ► the iPhone 11 Pro battery case,

00:42:04 ◼   ► which went for sale during our episode last week.

00:42:09 ◼   ► And then--

00:42:10 ◼   ► - It was a very, very emotional time for me.

00:42:14 ◼   ► It was a whirlwind.

00:42:15 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:42:16 ◼   ► - You know, I--

00:42:17 ◼   ► - It was also funny because it also went on sale,

00:42:20 ◼   ► like it was during Dubai Friday,

00:42:23 ◼   ► it happened on that show too.

00:42:24 ◼   ► So now I know that we record at the same time as them.

00:42:28 ◼   ► - 'Cause I texted Alex and in the episode they say,

00:42:31 ◼   ► "Oh, Steven texted me and this thing is real."

00:42:34 ◼   ► So I wanted to just share a little story.

00:42:39 ◼   ► 'Cause I was tweeting about this

00:42:40 ◼   ► and I feel like I had to tell the whole story.

00:42:44 ◼   ► So I live in Memphis, FedEx, the shipping company,

00:42:48 ◼   ► its international headquarters is here.

00:42:50 ◼   ► It's like 15 minutes from my house.

00:42:53 ◼   ► Myke, you've been in and out of the Memphis airport a bunch.

00:42:55 ◼   ► Most of the Memphis airport--

00:42:56 ◼   ► - Yep, they have like a whole fleet of planes just--

00:42:59 ◼   ► - The majority of the airport in Memphis is FedEx planes.

00:43:01 ◼   ► You would think, FedEx, pretty good.

00:43:04 ◼   ► Pretty good Memphis, it's not good.

00:43:06 ◼   ► So I've had this happen a couple of times.

00:43:07 ◼   ► It happened with the battery case

00:43:08 ◼   ► where I've got the tracking number.

00:43:11 ◼   ► A lot of Apple stuff ships from really close

00:43:13 ◼   ► or from Memphis itself.

00:43:15 ◼   ► So a lot of times if I order, not a computer,

00:43:18 ◼   ► but like an accessory or, you know,

00:43:22 ◼   ► maybe an iPad, you know, sort of lower end stuff,

00:43:26 ◼   ► very often I get it the next day

00:43:28 ◼   ► without paying rush shipping.

00:43:29 ◼   ► 'Cause it's just, it's like coming from in town already.

00:43:31 ◼   ► 'Cause they stage a lot of stuff here.

00:43:33 ◼   ► And that was true with the battery case.

00:43:34 ◼   ► I was gonna get it the next day.

00:43:36 ◼   ► I was like, sweet, I'm gonna get it early.

00:43:38 ◼   ► If I am the first time on my friends to do it,

00:43:40 ◼   ► I may put a blog post or a video together real quick

00:43:42 ◼   ► walking through it, like I could be first or early.

00:43:47 ◼   ► So I've got the Deliveries app, it's out for delivery,

00:43:51 ◼   ► it's delivered when I'm at lunch with a friend.

00:43:53 ◼   ► So I'm like, great, I'll come home and I'll get it

00:43:55 ◼   ► and I'll do something with it.

00:43:57 ◼   ► But then I realized I have a security camera

00:44:01 ◼   ► that sees people as they approach the front door

00:44:03 ◼   ► and I set it to send notifications 'cause I'm not home.

00:44:07 ◼   ► And oh, that's weird, the Nest didn't go off,

00:44:10 ◼   ► you know, maybe, maybe Ness and HomeKit got drunk

00:44:13 ◼   ► on my network and just decided not to work.

00:44:15 ◼   ► So I was like, well, it's probably there.

00:44:17 ◼   ► So I get home, of course it's not home, right?

00:44:19 ◼   ► It's nowhere.

00:44:20 ◼   ► So you do the deal where you call FedEx,

00:44:22 ◼   ► you prove it's your address.

00:44:23 ◼   ► Like, oh, well, you know, someone will reach out to you.

00:44:26 ◼   ► I never heard from any, never heard from anybody again.

00:44:29 ◼   ► Like a week later, FedEx has yet to call me back

00:44:31 ◼   ► about this lost case.

00:44:33 ◼   ► And I haven't reported it to them

00:44:36 ◼   ► that it was delivered to the wrong address.

00:44:39 ◼   ► In my neighborhood it's very common,

00:44:40 ◼   ► in a lot of neighborhoods I think,

00:44:41 ◼   ► where the street numbers are repeated.

00:44:43 ◼   ► So like my street address, say it's 1234 Street,

00:44:48 ◼   ► well the next street over there's a 123 Avenue, right?

00:44:52 ◼   ► And then two streets down, 123 something else, right?

00:44:55 ◼   ► The numbers are reused.

00:44:57 ◼   ► And I think what happened, 'cause it's happened before,

00:44:59 ◼   ► is that the house address was right,

00:45:01 ◼   ► but the street was wrong.

00:45:03 ◼   ► And so right off at like 10 o'clock that night,

00:45:06 ◼   ► a guy who lives in the next street over

00:45:08 ◼   ► pulled up in front of my house and knocked on the door

00:45:10 ◼   ► and had my battery case.

00:45:11 ◼   ► Said, "Oh, this was delivered to my house,

00:45:12 ◼   ► "but it's your address."

00:45:14 ◼   ► So I have it.

00:45:15 ◼   ► - Huh, that's friendly.

00:45:16 ◼   ► - And we can talk about this feelings,

00:45:17 ◼   ► but it was just like a, kind of a frustrating day.

00:45:20 ◼   ► It's like, come on, come on, FedEx.

00:45:21 ◼   ► Pull it together.

00:45:22 ◼   ► - Did he open it, the guy?

00:45:23 ◼   ► - No, no, and he was super nice.

00:45:25 ◼   ► He's like, "Yeah, you know, this happens to me sometimes.

00:45:27 ◼   ► "It's, you know, like doing the world a favor."

00:45:29 ◼   ► - Did you tell him about your website?

00:45:31 ◼   ► - No.

00:45:32 ◼   ► I was like, "Oh, good, I can make a YouTube video."

00:45:34 ◼   ► - Did you say, "Thank you, this is for my work"?

00:45:36 ◼   ► I was like, "Oh, thanks." And I was talking to my wife about it, and Apple stuff ships, at least a lot of stuff, ships from AI.

00:45:45 ◼   ► Like, that's how they label themselves on the return address, so it doesn't say Apple, right? People are like, "Oh, it's an iPhone!"

00:45:51 ◼   ► Yeah, they have like a weird name in the UK, like Synchronicity or something. It's really weird.

00:46:00 ◼   ► That's true. That's a good record.

00:46:01 ◼   ► Well, you know, whatever. AI is also artificial intelligence. What do you want from me?

00:46:05 ◼   ► police record? It's good. Anyways, I'm old. Very old. You have a police record. Hey! I'm sorry.

00:46:11 ◼   ► Hey! That Sting and Shaggy, they're a duo now? Are they? Isn't that like the weirdest thing

00:46:20 ◼   ► you've ever heard? Are they really? They have an album together, they have a tour and everything.

00:46:25 ◼   ► Shaggy and Sting. Is it called the the Sting and Shaggy album? Like is that the actual name? Well,

00:46:31 ◼   ► Let me find out. Sting, Shaggy...

00:46:33 ◼   ► It should be called the...

00:46:34 ◼   ► Like, with THE Sting and Shaggy album.

00:46:37 ◼   ► That should be the name.

00:46:38 ◼   ► Uh, no, it's called "44876".

00:46:41 ◼   ► I'm listening to part of it on YouTube very quietly, and it is something.

00:46:46 ◼   ► Isn't it just, like, super weird?

00:46:48 ◼   ► It got a 4.8 on Pitchfork.

00:46:51 ◼   ► I'm assuming that's out of 10.

00:46:51 ◼   ► This YouTube video has 21 million views.

00:46:53 ◼   ► Right, because it's Sting and Shaggy.

00:46:58 ◼   ► What?

00:46:58 ◼   ► Like, you...

00:46:59 ◼   ► Hang on a second, this can't be true.

00:47:01 ◼   ► people do what you just did. It doesn't make sense. I don't understand. This video is very

00:47:06 ◼   ► intense. I said this to, uh, I told, are they friends? Like why? Well, this, I told my brother

00:47:12 ◼   ► about this and he's like, does Shaggy have something on Sting? Like he has like, this is

00:47:17 ◼   ► on secret. Why did I just don't, I mean, you've got to assume they're friends, right? They're like,

00:47:23 ◼   ► you didn't make an album of his enemy, but like what, what, just what a weird thing to have

00:47:27 ◼   ► have happened in this world.

00:47:28 ◼   ► It's kind of beautiful.

00:47:29 ◼   ► Anyways--

00:47:30 ◼   ► Stranger things have happened.

00:47:32 ◼   ► So the batter case is here.

00:47:33 ◼   ► It's nice.

00:47:34 ◼   ► It's like the old batter case, but with the camera button.

00:47:37 ◼   ► Myke, what are your feelings?

00:47:39 ◼   ► I got the pink one.

00:47:39 ◼   ► Yeah, how's that?

00:47:40 ◼   ► Is it looking like the green?

00:47:40 ◼   ► Which I like very much.

00:47:42 ◼   ► Oh, it looks really good with the green.

00:47:44 ◼   ► I tweeted a little video of me clicking the button,

00:47:48 ◼   ► and Twitter marked it as sensitive content,

00:47:50 ◼   ► which was fun.

00:47:51 ◼   ► I mean, that button is pretty nice.

00:47:53 ◼   ► Well, I think it's the flesh color.

00:47:54 ◼   ► It's the main problem.

00:47:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:56 ◼   ► Yeah, that was that was a funny that was funny for me. The button is great

00:48:01 ◼   ► I was not expecting it to be an actual the camera button. I'm talking about

00:48:04 ◼   ► I wasn't expecting it to be a thing that would actually click I didn't think it'd be a real button

00:48:08 ◼   ► You've had problems I like it a lot I like it a lot you hold it for a second

00:48:16 ◼   ► It opens the camera app and then you can just click see that's a problem

00:48:19 ◼   ► You're not supposed to hold it for a second

00:48:21 ◼   ► Like when you when you click a button, it should perform the function when you click it

00:48:24 ◼   ► Not when you hold it.

00:48:25 ◼   ► Well, some buttons are click and hold.

00:48:27 ◼   ► I mean, if you're coming from like a lock screen, I mean, I'll tell you why I would

00:48:30 ◼   ► want it to click and hold, because otherwise it would be clicking all the time in my pocket

00:48:33 ◼   ► and then it would be open all the time.

00:48:35 ◼   ► Bingo.

00:48:36 ◼   ► Nah.

00:48:37 ◼   ► Nah.

00:48:38 ◼   ► How you gonna click a button in your pocket?

00:48:39 ◼   ► That's not gonna happen.

00:48:40 ◼   ► You don't know about me.

00:48:41 ◼   ► I put my hands in my pockets.

00:48:42 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:48:43 ◼   ► But anyway, I like it.

00:48:44 ◼   ► I like that it's there.

00:48:45 ◼   ► I think it's a good feature to have.

00:48:47 ◼   ► I had the battery case regardless when I travel and now I've also got a little camera button

00:48:51 ◼   ► to click click whenever I want.

00:48:52 ◼   ► So it was kind of funny, the first time I plugged it in,

00:48:54 ◼   ► the battery widget said, just called the battery case

00:48:58 ◼   ► generic UPS, which I just thought was hilarious.

00:49:00 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:49:01 ◼   ► - I hope you kept the name.

00:49:03 ◼   ► - Can you name them?

00:49:04 ◼   ► - I don't think you can rename the case.

00:49:05 ◼   ► That's one of those things though,

00:49:07 ◼   ► iOS didn't make up those words, right?

00:49:09 ◼   ► A developer told iOS, if you're plugged into a battery

00:49:13 ◼   ► and you don't know what it is, name it generic UPS.

00:49:17 ◼   ► - It's generic UPS.

00:49:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's smart battery case now,

00:49:21 ◼   ► But for a short time, it was generic UPS.

00:49:24 ◼   ► - Had a bit of an identity crisis at the beginning.

00:49:26 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm, it's like, I don't know what I am,

00:49:28 ◼   ► I'm just a generic UPS. - What am I?

00:49:29 ◼   ► Am I smart? I don't know.

00:49:31 ◼   ► - And then the iPhone was like,

00:49:32 ◼   ► "No, you're better than this, you're better than this,

00:49:34 ◼   ► "you're a smart battery case."

00:49:35 ◼   ► - You're not generic, you're smart.

00:49:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:49:39 ◼   ► I got one.

00:49:42 ◼   ► I don't love the button.

00:49:44 ◼   ► I thought I was going crazy until I realized,

00:49:47 ◼   ► "Oh, you're supposed to hold it

00:49:49 ◼   ► "for like a fraction of a second."

00:49:50 ◼   ► I was just clicking it, like real fast and nothing happened and I thought it was broken

00:49:55 ◼   ► and then I realized you were supposed to click and hold.

00:49:57 ◼   ► Again, just to say, this is purely to open it.

00:50:00 ◼   ► Once you've opened the camera app, a click just takes a photo but you have to press and

00:50:04 ◼   ► hold.

00:50:05 ◼   ► We should clarify because I know I've gotten too many tweets about this.

00:50:10 ◼   ► No, it's not a button that just snaps a photo and yes, I am aware that the volume button

00:50:18 ◼   ► can snap a picture.

00:50:19 ◼   ► one actually opens the camera whether you're using the phone or you're on the lock screen

00:50:25 ◼   ► or the phone is locked. And it's in a much better place for using where a camera button

00:50:31 ◼   ► would be. Yeah and also it is not a, this is in a bad way, it is not a button that just

00:50:41 ◼   ► operates the shutter because it doesn't work in third party apps. So if you open like a

00:50:46 ◼   ► a third party camera app and press the button, it will not take a photo.

00:50:49 ◼   ► And if you are on the video screen and you press the camera button

00:50:53 ◼   ► in the camera app, in the Apple's camera app, it will not start a video.

00:50:56 ◼   ► It is very hard coded, this thing.

00:50:59 ◼   ► But I'm happy it's there.

00:51:01 ◼   ► It's an additional feature on a product that I would want to use

00:51:04 ◼   ► in certain circumstances anyway.

00:51:05 ◼   ► I am not an all day, every day battery case person.

00:51:09 ◼   ► I am a travel battery case person.

00:51:11 ◼   ► And now I'm happy that I just have this additional function.

00:51:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm keeping it on. I know that I said...

00:51:17 ◼   ► What about the bulletproof one?

00:51:20 ◼   ► Yeah, the tiny knife case.

00:51:22 ◼   ► That one I will only keep for my knife fights, just to be sure.

00:51:26 ◼   ► And when you want to be extra stylish.

00:51:29 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly. You know, with the fiber.

00:51:31 ◼   ► But no, I'm using the wallet case when I go out, so when I go out it's wallet case all the time.

00:51:38 ◼   ► But even around the house, it's just nice to be always charged, you know?

00:51:44 ◼   ► It's like a metaphor of youth, in this case, you always have energy, like at any point during the day.

00:51:51 ◼   ► And it's like, yes, I like it. Like, it's 5 a.m. and you're still going strong, yes, I love it.

00:51:56 ◼   ► Like, you know, it's a bit heavier, but I don't know. I don't know if it'll stay on until next July or whatever,

00:52:05 ◼   ► but I like the feeling of it. It's, there's always power.

00:52:09 ◼   ► And so it makes me feel safe.

00:52:13 ◼   ► Got to love the power.

00:52:15 ◼   ► Got to fight the power, right? Now what are you supposed to do?

00:52:18 ◼   ► Wow. That's a different thing.

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00:54:06 ◼   ► of this show and relay FM. Federica, can you explain this story about Deep Fusion and some

00:54:12 ◼   ► apps seem to think they can see it but Apple doesn't want them to what what is happening

00:54:16 ◼   ► here.

00:54:17 ◼   ► So the the iOS metadata utility called metaphor has been updated with support for night mode

00:54:25 ◼   ► and Deep Fusion Detection. This utility has been around for a few years now. You can use

00:54:31 ◼   ► it as an app, you just open the app and you browse your photos, or you can use it as an

00:54:36 ◼   ► extension in the Photos app, and it shows you metadata contained within Photos. This

00:54:42 ◼   ► is useful because in the Apple Photos app you can basically only see location metadata,

00:54:50 ◼   ► you cannot see information about the camera model

00:54:53 ◼   ► or the lens model or just the standard

00:54:56 ◼   ► active metadata information is not available in photos.

00:55:00 ◼   ► And with Metaflow, you can take a look at these details.

00:55:03 ◼   ► And in the latest version--

00:55:03 ◼   ► - You can also change them too.

00:55:05 ◼   ► - You can also change them, you can also remove them

00:55:07 ◼   ► if you wanna share photos without location, so that's nice.

00:55:10 ◼   ► Although you can also share photos without location in 13,

00:55:13 ◼   ► but you gotta know where to look, it's in the share sheet.

00:55:17 ◼   ► In any case, in the latest version,

00:55:19 ◼   ► the developer of Metafo added support for detecting

00:55:23 ◼   ► whether a photo was taken with Deep Fusion,

00:55:26 ◼   ► in which case it'll say deeply fused, or it was taken in --

00:55:31 ◼   ► yes, it was deeply fused, right?

00:55:32 ◼   ► All right, it was deeply fused.

00:55:35 ◼   ► Or if it was taken in night mode.

00:55:37 ◼   ► And apparently -- so we asked the developer,

00:55:41 ◼   ► I know that John asked him.

00:55:43 ◼   ► It's using -- it's looking at, like,

00:55:46 ◼   ► flash information for Deep Fusion, I think?

00:55:50 ◼   ► Like something...

00:55:51 ◼   ► I think in a nutshell, it's, it's, it's,

00:55:53 ◼   ► there's something that the iOS reports as to whether, uh,

00:55:58 ◼   ► the camera could have used flash, but didn't.

00:56:02 ◼   ► Right. Yes.

00:56:04 ◼   ► And if the photo has been indicated that a flash could have been used and it is

00:56:09 ◼   ► not a night mode photo,

00:56:12 ◼   ► it is therefore in the ballpark of deep fusion would be detected because it's low light but

00:56:18 ◼   ► not night. Right, it's like an assumption. It's not like there's a hidden metadata that

00:56:23 ◼   ► says with absolute certainty this is deep fusion, but you can extrapolate. It is much

00:56:27 ◼   ► more complicated than that, but that is kind of like cliff notes of it. So this works,

00:56:39 ◼   ► I guess I've been checking out some of my photos where I thought that DeepFusion had

00:56:44 ◼   ► been used, and sure enough, Metaphor says "Deeply fused", so that's nice. I heard from

00:56:51 ◼   ► Sebastian DeWitt, who is one of the developers of Halide, the camera app, that they were

00:56:57 ◼   ► also aware of this workaround, but that they've been informed that it'll be "fixed", closed

00:57:06 ◼   ► by Apple in the near future. So it's not something that we should expect to continue working.

00:57:13 ◼   ► I don't understand... so if this is the case, and I don't see why Sebastian shouldn't...

00:57:19 ◼   ► should say something that is not true, why doesn't Apple want us to know whether a photo

00:57:26 ◼   ► is using Deep Fusion or not? Like, I get that it's a technical thing and I get that they

00:57:30 ◼   ► they didn't want to make a big deal out of it.

00:57:32 ◼   ► But if people want to know, then why not have something

00:57:38 ◼   ► in the metadata that says, yes, this is diffusion,

00:57:40 ◼   ► just to make sure that it works, just to see when it works.

00:57:45 ◼   ► I don't understand why they wouldn't put it

00:57:48 ◼   ► in the metadata.

00:57:50 ◼   ► It's not harming anyone.

00:57:53 ◼   ► It's interesting to have it there so you know.

00:57:57 ◼   ► Because I honestly, I think that there are some photos that Deep Fusion is making a little

00:58:04 ◼   ► worse of mine.

00:58:07 ◼   ► So I'm not sure how I feel about it just happening and there's nothing I can do about it.

00:58:13 ◼   ► Because I'm noticing some images, they seem like they're way darker in a way.

00:58:21 ◼   ► Like the sharpness is maybe too much.

00:58:24 ◼   ► I can't put my finger on it, but I look at an image and I'm like, that doesn't, that

00:58:28 ◼   ► just looks wrong. Like that doesn't look right. There's something weird about this. And I'm

00:58:32 ◼   ► assuming it is when deep fusion is kicking in because I've seen it do that thing where

00:58:38 ◼   ► the image kind of snaps in place. You look at an image and it shakes or like, you know,

00:58:43 ◼   ► flashes basically. And then it's different. And I've seen images before and after that

00:58:48 ◼   ► and sometimes I've not liked how they looked after, but then it's like, well, well now

00:58:52 ◼   ► what then? It's reminding me a little bit of the HDR thing. Some people liked it, some

00:58:57 ◼   ► people didn't. I'm not saying I don't like Deep Fusion, but I'm noticing some instances

00:59:02 ◼   ► where I think it maybe isn't as simple or as good as it could be, I don't know.

00:59:07 ◼   ► Yeah, if that's the case, if that's how Apple really thinks about it, then why would they

00:59:11 ◼   ► want you to... Why make it Apple? I mean, when they announced it, I assumed it'd be

00:59:15 ◼   ► like so many other things, where it's just like a smart folder and photos, right? Like

00:59:19 ◼   ► If I open photos, I can see all of my live photos, all my time lapses across any album

00:59:25 ◼   ► they're in, and this feels conspicuously different.

00:59:28 ◼   ► Yeah, definitely.

00:59:30 ◼   ► There was this article on Bloomberg about Apple changing their methodology of internal

00:59:36 ◼   ► testing when it comes to iOS 14.

00:59:40 ◼   ► There's also comments in the story about how they're going to go back to iOS 12 and like,

00:59:47 ◼   ► like, oh, it's going to be about stability, but then also we're going to have the same

00:59:52 ◼   ► number of features and some features are in iOS 15 and like, this just seems like a mess

00:59:56 ◼   ► and it's early in the process for iOS 14. So I'm sure it is a mess. Federico, when you

01:00:02 ◼   ► read this article, do you think like what they're doing seems reasonable? Like what

01:00:06 ◼   ► would you want to see Apple change in this?

01:00:09 ◼   ► Well, I, yeah, I don't think it's reasonable. I think I have a problem with this idea that

01:00:16 ◼   ► every few years a release of iOS has to be about stability.

01:00:21 ◼   ► Sorry for a second.

01:00:23 ◼   ► Like why does it have to be about stability

01:00:27 ◼   ► because you realize that the past capital releases

01:00:29 ◼   ► have been bad?

01:00:30 ◼   ► Like it should be, stability and performance

01:00:32 ◼   ► should always be part of the software that you release.

01:00:37 ◼   ► Like imagine if the articles that I publish on Mac Stories

01:00:41 ◼   ► tend to be grammatically correct.

01:00:44 ◼   ► And every couple of years I have one with tons of typos and tons of mistakes.

01:00:48 ◼   ► And then I say, "Oh, but yeah, but the next one will be about grammar and fixing typos."

01:00:54 ◼   ► Like, no, it should always be part of the process.

01:00:57 ◼   ► I think one of the things that is maybe in this story that was different to iOS 12,

01:01:02 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know, we didn't really get this kind of...

01:01:05 ◼   ► The reports were different. Basically, this report is talking about another internal meeting at Apple

01:01:13 ◼   ► where they're basically saying, all right, we're going to change our testing procedure.

01:01:18 ◼   ► Where iOS 12, what was coming out, was like, oh, they're going to spend this release really

01:01:22 ◼   ► tightening things up. That's kind of what we knew beforehand. Where this one is like, okay,

01:01:27 ◼   ► before iOS 14 or as iOS 14 is beginning to be worked on, Apple is changing the way that

01:01:34 ◼   ► they're testing. And in a nutshell, they won't be allowing buggy parts of the operating system

01:01:40 ◼   ► to make it into the daily bills that they send to their testers,

01:01:42 ◼   ► where previously that was the case, right? Like things would be committed in,

01:01:46 ◼   ► and it may bring the entire operating system down for a week in a bunch of areas, and that means

01:01:51 ◼   ► nothing can be tested. But now they're going to be changing and allowing testers to then selectively

01:01:56 ◼   ► add buggier features in so they can test them to see how they impact the rest of the operating

01:02:00 ◼   ► system. It seemed like, as I think maybe most people could have assumed, there was a problem

01:02:05 ◼   ► when it came to testing internally of iOS 13. And so the hope would be that it's less about,

01:02:14 ◼   ► and I think that might be what that line is about iOS 14 will have as many new features as iOS 13,

01:02:22 ◼   ► is it's maybe not about making 14 a stability release like 12 was, but about hopefully laying

01:02:28 ◼   ► the foundations to ensure that Apple tests their stuff more thoroughly by making it easier

01:02:36 ◼   ► for their testers to work. Right? That would be the hope that this is what this story is

01:02:42 ◼   ► talking about.

01:02:43 ◼   ► The idea from the article that engineers at Apple wouldn't install the latest version

01:02:49 ◼   ► of a daily build because they didn't want to deal with the bugs. Like, that's bad because

01:02:54 ◼   ► it means you're not testing the software you're writing.

01:02:57 ◼   ► It seems like potentially, I mean, I don't know, complete outside observer here, that

01:03:02 ◼   ► they were deprioritizing the work of the QA testers and were prioritizing fast, fast,

01:03:08 ◼   ► fast, feature, feature, feature.

01:03:10 ◼   ► And that it became a culture of, well, you can just add it to the daily build, even if

01:03:15 ◼   ► it's super broken.

01:03:17 ◼   ► That's totally fine.

01:03:18 ◼   ► Don't worry about it, which is clearly not the way testing can be done.

01:03:23 ◼   ► And now they've had to take a look at that and they know how bad iOS 13 was and so they're

01:03:30 ◼   ► changing some of the ways that they're doing things.

01:03:32 ◼   ► Which I think is very positive to hear that they are doing that, right?

01:03:36 ◼   ► That they have looked at it and they were like, "You know what?

01:03:37 ◼   ► This wasn't good enough, so we need to change something."

01:03:41 ◼   ► And my hope would be that it's not going to like, "Oh, they're going to do a big stability

01:03:46 ◼   ► release again."

01:03:47 ◼   ► It's like, "No, we're going to go back to the drawing board about the way we work and

01:03:50 ◼   ► change that."

01:03:52 ◼   ► So that's my hope.

01:03:54 ◼   ► That's my positive takeaway from this.

01:03:57 ◼   ► They've looked at their systems internally.

01:04:00 ◼   ► They know that they're not going to provide them with the work quality that they want,

01:04:03 ◼   ► so they're going back to the drawing board and establishing some new processes and norms.

01:04:07 ◼   ► Yeah, clearly something was super broken, and it doesn't surprise me.

01:04:12 ◼   ► If this is accurate, it doesn't surprise me that...

01:04:14 ◼   ► I'm not saying this is someone's fault or not someone else's fault, but that the process

01:04:18 ◼   ► was broken in QA.

01:04:21 ◼   ► There were so many things and I was like,

01:04:22 ◼   ► did no one even test this in just a simple way?

01:04:27 ◼   ► And I hope a couple things.

01:04:31 ◼   ► A, that whatever they figure out, they stick with it,

01:04:36 ◼   ► instead of this sort of back and forth of features

01:04:39 ◼   ► and stability and you can have both.

01:04:43 ◼   ► Now it probably means you have fewer features,

01:04:45 ◼   ► then not everything is as crammed full

01:04:48 ◼   ► as some people would like,

01:04:51 ◼   ► but they've gotta strike that balance.

01:04:53 ◼   ► So that's what I hope, that they work it out of balance,

01:04:55 ◼   ► they stick with it.

01:04:56 ◼   ► But also I hope that they can do it in a way

01:05:00 ◼   ► that goes beyond just iOS,

01:05:03 ◼   ► because surely there's a lot of bugs

01:05:07 ◼   ► you can lay at the altar of iOS 13.

01:05:09 ◼   ► But how much of things that people have been dealing with

01:05:11 ◼   ► are actually where iOS 13 touches something else,

01:05:14 ◼   ► where it interacts with data on iCloud,

01:05:17 ◼   ► or it's got to hand off something to the HomePod or tvOS

01:05:22 ◼   ► or with AirPlay or sync with the Mac, right?

01:05:25 ◼   ► I feel like you can get iOS solid,

01:05:27 ◼   ► but unless Apple really looks at all of their products

01:05:30 ◼   ► holistically, I worry that the glue holding them together

01:05:35 ◼   ► is still where things break down.

01:05:37 ◼   ► And maybe their QA process,

01:05:39 ◼   ► maybe there are people who sort of straddle

01:05:41 ◼   ► the iOS and iCloud teams

01:05:43 ◼   ► and they deal with where they interact.

01:05:45 ◼   ► But my sense is, as just a user,

01:05:49 ◼   ► is that these things feel a little bit siloed,

01:05:51 ◼   ► and because of that, you end up with these issues where,

01:05:55 ◼   ► well, there's a bug, and I, as a user,

01:05:57 ◼   ► don't know if it's iOS or iCloud or something in between,

01:06:01 ◼   ► and I just hope Apple does,

01:06:03 ◼   ► because that's where a lot of these things

01:06:05 ◼   ► have been frustrating for me, at least, this year.

01:06:08 ◼   ► And I'm hopeful that whatever they implement

01:06:10 ◼   ► can be broad enough to handle those sorts of bugs as well.

01:06:14 ◼   ► Here here. Anyways, you know, I'm not a QA. Let's do something more positive. Okay.

01:06:20 ◼   ► Shall we? It's it's Thanksgiving season. Okay. Well I think we should give thanks to some things.

01:06:27 ◼   ► Hey. I'm the British person suggesting this. You like Thanksgiving, right? Like it's... I do. I'm

01:06:33 ◼   ► going to Thanksgiving. Are you? Are you coming over? I am going to Thanksgiving. I'm going to

01:06:39 ◼   ► a Thanksgiving meal at a restaurant. That's that's how we would say. I'd say, oh you're going to

01:06:44 ◼   ► Thanksgiving? Like Thanksgiving is a situation. There you go, it's a thing. Anyways, so do we want

01:06:49 ◼   ► to give tech thanks? Is this what you want to do? I do, yeah. So what tech thanks do you have for the

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01:09:16 ◼   ► Okay, now, tech thanks, Myke.

01:09:18 ◼   ► Yeah, all right.

01:09:20 ◼   ► So I thought I wanted to talk about some smaller things in my technology life that make me

01:09:29 ◼   ► happy every day, right?

01:09:30 ◼   ► Like I could talk about the fact that I love the camera on my iPhone, right?

01:09:36 ◼   ► But like people know that or that I'm super happy with my iMac Pro. People know that stuff.

01:09:40 ◼   ► I want to talk about little things and they're all software related.

01:09:43 ◼   ► So one, I just want to talk about the feeling of a perfectly executed shortcut.

01:09:50 ◼   ► Oh boy, do I get that.

01:09:52 ◼   ► Right? When you have an idea and you make it and it works every single time.

01:09:57 ◼   ► It's like I made a shortcut that I was very happy with a couple of days ago, Federico. I think you might like it

01:10:03 ◼   ► I wanted to create a shortcut

01:10:05 ◼   ► That I could activate on my iPhone and it would set a toggle timer

01:10:11 ◼   ► for the current show on my calendar

01:10:14 ◼   ► Mm-hmm and then turn on do not disturb for 90 minutes

01:10:18 ◼   ► so whenever I'm sitting down to record I

01:10:23 ◼   ► I press it, it looks at what is the most current or the most recent show recording on my calendar,

01:10:31 ◼   ► adds that as a tag to a timer-y toggle timer, and then sets my phone to do it for 90 minutes.

01:10:37 ◼   ► And it works every single time, and I love it.

01:10:39 ◼   ► And it's just like, "Oh, I built that, that's great."

01:10:42 ◼   ► So a perfectly executed shortcut when you've made one, and it works every time.

01:10:47 ◼   ► It feels so good.

01:10:48 ◼   ► I love both tap back reactions in iMessage and emoji reactions in Slack.

01:10:54 ◼   ► Yes.

01:10:55 ◼   ► Because sometimes you just want to show you seen something or you have a feeling, but

01:10:59 ◼   ► you don't have something to say.

01:11:02 ◼   ► And it's nice to be able to use those types of things.

01:11:05 ◼   ► I've been using an app recently called Moodpath, which I like.

01:11:10 ◼   ► It is a way for me to try and like, think about how I'm feeling, right?

01:11:14 ◼   ► It's like a mental health based application.

01:11:17 ◼   ► And three times a day it asks me a selection of questions and I have to answer how I feel

01:11:22 ◼   ► about what it's asking me and it helps me think about some stuff and reflect on some

01:11:26 ◼   ► things.

01:11:27 ◼   ► It also has a bunch of articles and audio stuff that I haven't really dived into yet

01:11:31 ◼   ► but looks interesting to help you think about stuff and think about your life and your mental

01:11:35 ◼   ► health and stuff.

01:11:36 ◼   ► So that's an app that's been on my home screen and I really like it.

01:11:40 ◼   ► RSS.

01:11:43 ◼   ► I'm thankful for RSS.

01:11:45 ◼   ► What a thing to say.

01:11:46 ◼   ► The company's built on it.

01:11:47 ◼   ► I know.

01:11:48 ◼   ► I am back on the RSS train.

01:11:50 ◼   ► Yeah, I know.

01:11:51 ◼   ► I thought about saying that.

01:11:52 ◼   ► Yes, thank you RSS for your help in podcasting.

01:11:55 ◼   ► But I mean purely as like a way to consume news.

01:11:58 ◼   ► Good.

01:11:59 ◼   ► I use Reader.

01:12:00 ◼   ► Yes.

01:12:01 ◼   ► I like it, right?

01:12:02 ◼   ► Like it's just a way for me to feel like I can get all the information that I need without

01:12:08 ◼   ► feeling the requirement to stay plugged into other fire hoses, right?

01:12:14 ◼   ► Like with RSS, everything's just going to go in there and it'll be waiting for me when

01:12:17 ◼   ► I go to it, rather than if I go to like, if I go to Twitter, for example, and I have to

01:12:22 ◼   ► find all the news, right?

01:12:23 ◼   ► Like hopefully it's all there.

01:12:24 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:12:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:27 ◼   ► I guess you know what?

01:12:28 ◼   ► You guys do know what I mean, because you've been doing it for the whole time.

01:12:31 ◼   ► I never left.

01:12:32 ◼   ► Yeah, I never left, but I did leave.

01:12:35 ◼   ► I use the email app Spark.

01:12:36 ◼   ► Whilst I have many problems with Spark, because no email apps are good, I really like Spark's

01:12:44 ◼   ► team sharing features. I've been using them since day one with Carrie, our sales manager, and

01:12:50 ◼   ► it makes our working life so much better because an email can come in that I want her to, like a

01:12:56 ◼   ► lead comes in and I think she'd be the best person to pursue it. It comes as an email to me, but I

01:13:02 ◼   ► can assign it to her and then she can just action it and then we can have conversations with the

01:13:07 ◼   ► email in line. I love all that stuff. Spark had an update, they made some stuff better, they made

01:13:12 ◼   ► some stuff worse but you know that's email apps.

01:13:17 ◼   ► Cursor support in iOS 13. I love it. I love it. I can use a mouse on my iPad.

01:13:22 ◼   ► It's fantastic. It's how I did the show notes today. I have my iPad on a stand at

01:13:27 ◼   ► eye height. I had the MX Master 3 mouse. I have my bridge keyboard detached from

01:13:32 ◼   ► the iPad and I was able to do the show notes at my desk with my nice chair in a

01:13:38 ◼   ► good position and I think it's really great. These are some things that I am thankful for.

01:13:43 ◼   ► That's a good list. Thank you. I have two things that are tech related and two things that are just

01:13:51 ◼   ► things I'm grateful for because they exist but are not necessarily tech related. First of all,

01:13:58 ◼   ► continuing on your theme of shortcuts, I'm thankful for the ecosystem of utilities that are

01:14:07 ◼   ► are developing around shortcuts because of iOS 13, because of parameters. I reviewed

01:14:15 ◼   ► on MacStory's Toolbox Pro a couple of weeks ago, really, really fantastic suite of enhancements

01:14:22 ◼   ► for shortcuts. There's this beta, it's an app called Data Jar, and it's made by Simon

01:14:29 ◼   ► Stovering is the same developer of Scriptable and JSON. And it's, yeah, I know, it's JSON.

01:14:38 ◼   ► Yes, it sounds like a person's name. It's not a developer of a guy named Jason.

01:14:43 ◼   ► Yeah, it's like a very hard-line Jason. He's just coming out of beta any day now.

01:14:48 ◼   ► That is called being a parent, but it's not that. DataJar takes this idea of like apps

01:14:57 ◼   ► being capable of exchanging data with shortcuts to the extreme, basically, it's kind of hard

01:15:05 ◼   ► to describe. It's a way for you to store things, like any kind of text or images or videos

01:15:13 ◼   ► or documents, outside of shortcuts and retrieve them with a single action step. So it's a

01:15:21 ◼   ► a very basic way to like if you need to store like a PDF file that you want to

01:15:27 ◼   ► retrieve often or like a series of I don't know maybe a username and a

01:15:33 ◼   ► password you know all kinds of text items because of parameters you can now

01:15:37 ◼   ► retrieve them and create them with data jar actions super fast super easy there's

01:15:43 ◼   ► a test like beta if you go search for if you go searching Simon's Twitter

01:15:48 ◼   ► timeline I'm sure you will find the link. And the second tech...

01:15:52 ◼   ► It will be and I'll find it and put it in the show notes.

01:15:54 ◼   ► Thank you, thank you. The second thing I'm thankful for is actually JSON by Simon.

01:15:59 ◼   ► It's not confusing.

01:16:03 ◼   ► So the app is spelled J-A-Y-S-O-N and it's a play on .json, the file format.

01:16:13 ◼   ► I actually reviewed the app on Maxor back in January or February of 2019, and it's an app to

01:16:21 ◼   ► inspect JSON dictionaries that are usually returned by web APIs. So if you're talking to a web service,

01:16:31 ◼   ► to a web API, the response is usually provided as a .json object. And JSON, you can inspect

01:16:41 ◼   ► the traditional way, it's a bunch of text.

01:16:43 ◼   ► - You invite him over and say, "Hey, I need to inspect you."

01:16:46 ◼   ► - Hey, let me inspect you, Jason.

01:16:48 ◼   ► - You wanna make sure that's consensual.

01:16:51 ◼   ► - With this app, you can do so with the GUI.

01:16:56 ◼   ► So it's an actual interface with tabs and menus

01:17:02 ◼   ► and expandable sections to browse

01:17:06 ◼   ► the structure of a JSON dictionary.

01:17:10 ◼   ► and it's super well done.

01:17:12 ◼   ► You can create split views inside the app.

01:17:15 ◼   ► You can pass this content from shortcuts to the JSON app.

01:17:20 ◼   ► I've been working on two different kinds

01:17:23 ◼   ► of advanced shortcuts lately,

01:17:24 ◼   ► both for Club Max stories actually.

01:17:27 ◼   ► One is called PokeTree,

01:17:28 ◼   ► and it's a Pokemon evolution checker shortcut.

01:17:32 ◼   ► - It's very good, it's very, very good.

01:17:34 ◼   ► - Myke has it, John has it.

01:17:35 ◼   ► It talks to this web service called the Poke API

01:17:40 ◼   ► to let you see which evolutions, I'm sorry, Steven,

01:17:44 ◼   ► Myke will understand, other people will understand.

01:17:46 ◼   ► - No, I'm happy for you on this Thanksgiving.

01:17:50 ◼   ► I'm thankful for your happiness.

01:17:52 ◼   ► - I'm happy you're happy.

01:17:54 ◼   ► - But it's, see, basically it's a very complex API

01:17:57 ◼   ► and the object that it's returned by the API

01:17:59 ◼   ► is very complex and tricky to understand.

01:18:02 ◼   ► Also, I've been, this is actually coming on Friday,

01:18:06 ◼   ► I've been working on Apple Music shortcuts,

01:18:09 ◼   ► advanced Apple Music shortcuts that use the native Apple Music Web API made by Apple,

01:18:15 ◼   ► the music kit for the web. And also in that case the response that comes back from the web service

01:18:21 ◼   ► is really complex and long and tricky to understand, but with JSON it's super easy.

01:18:26 ◼   ► So I'm thankful that the app exists. Two non-tech things. I'm playing Pokemon Sword,

01:18:34 ◼   ► I'm in the postgame, I'm doing the meta postgame stuff, and I'm just so thankful that as someone

01:18:42 ◼   ► who's been out of the entire Pokémon scene since basically Ruby for the Gameboy Advance

01:18:50 ◼   ► 15, 17 years ago, I missed the whole black and white, diamond and pearl, all of those

01:18:57 ◼   ► generations.

01:18:59 ◼   ► I'm thankful that the communities around these games exist, and specifically I want to call

01:19:06 ◼   ► out a bunch of them.

01:19:07 ◼   ► Serebii, excellent resource, like the Pokemon website.

01:19:11 ◼   ► If you're interested in any competitive Pokemon play, which I'm sort of getting to, I'm building

01:19:17 ◼   ► a team, we'll see how it goes.

01:19:19 ◼   ► This is, yeah, we'll have to have a battle, Myke, soon enough, see if my theories are

01:19:25 ◼   ► correct.

01:19:26 ◼   ► Oh, I'm not going to do it.

01:19:27 ◼   ► I would have done it a couple of weeks ago, but now you've gone wild on it and it's impossible.

01:19:31 ◼   ► You did this to me once before and I won't fall for that again.

01:19:34 ◼   ► All right. I'll try with Jon.

01:19:38 ◼   ► Yeah. Oh, poor Jon.

01:19:40 ◼   ► Serebii is the database for all kinds of stuff about Pokemon. The guy who's been running

01:19:48 ◼   ► Geomeric Serebii for the past 15, 16, no, maybe more, 20 years. Like, it's incredible.

01:19:56 ◼   ► It's been around forever. I was a kid and Serebii was a thing and it's even more of

01:19:59 ◼   ► a thing now. It's really amazing. Smogon, it's another website. If you're interested

01:20:04 ◼   ► in building a competitive Pokemon theme, this is like Wikipedia for Pokemon nerds. It's

01:20:10 ◼   ► amazing. You can calculate the effect of all kinds of moves. It's wild. There's a move

01:20:17 ◼   ► calculator in there. It's incredible. Yeah, yeah. I'll send you some links. You got to

01:20:22 ◼   ► see what I mean by looking at it. There's detailed explanations, because you know there's

01:20:28 ◼   ► tournaments for competitive Pokemon play, right? So there's analysis of each fight,

01:20:34 ◼   ► and there's like detailed breakdowns of each popular competitive Pokemon team. It's like

01:20:41 ◼   ► an actual sports analysis, but for... Yeah, it's an entire community of millions of people

01:20:48 ◼   ► doing this. It's wild. And lastly I want to call out, I mean the Reddit communities are

01:20:54 ◼   ► also pretty good, but I want to call out on YouTube, I don't know if you're subscribed

01:21:01 ◼   ► to this channel Myke, he does a lot of Nintendo content, Austin John Plays is a YouTuber,

01:21:08 ◼   ► he does Nintendo focused content, he did excellent videos for Breath of the Wild on Switch a

01:21:16 ◼   ► few years ago that I used a lot, and it's doing a whole daily series on Pokemon Sword

01:21:21 ◼   ► and Shield. Starting from the basics, to the advanced stuff, to the competitive stuff,

01:21:27 ◼   ► to where you can find objects and items and evolutions, it does great work. Really, really

01:21:34 ◼   ► great work explained well, which is also important to me. Finally, Mr. Robot, the final season.

01:21:41 ◼   ► I know that Sidon also likes it. It's so good. It's getting... The show is ending on December

01:21:47 ◼   ► 30th. The final episode of the entire series will air just before the end of the year.

01:21:55 ◼   ► I had high expectations for this final season, and each episode is getting better and better.

01:22:02 ◼   ► I'm pleased that it's good. I've never watched Mr. Robot. Idina likes it. I know it's been

01:22:07 ◼   ► going on for a long time so I'm pleased to hear that yeah I still like it in its

01:22:11 ◼   ► final season which is a rarer and rarer thing they had a two-year break which

01:22:16 ◼   ► also makes it it's only four seasons but it started five years ago six years ago

01:22:23 ◼   ► so it's it's been spaced out but yeah it seems like it's a very stress it can be

01:22:29 ◼   ► is that right yeah especially the I mean no spoilers but especially with the last

01:22:35 ◼   ► couple of episodes there's a major reveal and I know that it's been hard

01:22:39 ◼   ► for a lot of people it's been challenging for a lot of people and

01:22:41 ◼   ► that's why there are always like these messages at the end of especially in

01:22:48 ◼   ► this final season at the end of the episode like if you're seeking help like

01:22:51 ◼   ► phone numbers and websites where you can go yeah I'm good but I'm just gonna I'm

01:22:58 ◼   ► just gonna say though that with this major reveal once you know and you go

01:23:03 ◼   ► back and you see how the, what's his name, Sam Esmael, the creator, knew since the very

01:23:11 ◼   ► first episode that this was gonna happen. It's not like, you know, many TV shows, there's

01:23:16 ◼   ► a major reveal and it's sort of being retrofitted to work with the story, but the creators didn't

01:23:23 ◼   ► have it in mind when they started, but in this case it was right there from the beginning

01:23:27 ◼   ► and it was in front of our face the whole time,

01:23:30 ◼   ► and it's just masterfully executed.

01:23:32 ◼   ► So, I mean, plus, you know, the performance of

01:23:36 ◼   ► the entire cast really is just incredible.

01:23:40 ◼   ► So I'm thankful that the show exists,

01:23:42 ◼   ► but I'm sad that it's ending at the same time.

01:23:45 ◼   ► - I guess I'm grumpy 'cause shortcuts is not on my list.

01:23:48 ◼   ► Sorry guys.

01:23:49 ◼   ► - Well, you can be thankful for Automator.

01:23:51 ◼   ► - Sure, they haven't killed Automator yet.

01:23:53 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:23:54 ◼   ► One is just like when things sync correctly, right?

01:23:57 ◼   ► When that little joy where you upload something

01:24:00 ◼   ► on your computer and then you check on your phone later

01:24:02 ◼   ► and it's there and you don't have to wait.

01:24:04 ◼   ► That's something that we don't get all the time

01:24:07 ◼   ► and it's nice when it works,

01:24:08 ◼   ► especially someone who uses Dropbox every day for work.

01:24:10 ◼   ► Like just knowing that that's reliable makes me happy.

01:24:14 ◼   ► Also the HomePod handoff,

01:24:16 ◼   ► like to have music or a podcast playing

01:24:18 ◼   ► and then you put your phone at the top of the HomePod

01:24:21 ◼   ► and it moves over and it moves back when you do it again,

01:24:23 ◼   ► I'm using that all the time.

01:24:25 ◼   ► I really like it.

01:24:27 ◼   ► - Oh, cool.

01:24:28 ◼   ► I've completely forgotten that that feature existed

01:24:30 ◼   ► until you just mentioned it.

01:24:32 ◼   ► - It's great.

01:24:32 ◼   ► I use it all the time if I'm listening to something

01:24:34 ◼   ► like maybe in the yard, if I'm doing yard work

01:24:36 ◼   ► and want to come in and finish it,

01:24:37 ◼   ► or listening to a podcast in the car,

01:24:40 ◼   ► I want to complete it when I go inside.

01:24:43 ◼   ► It's just, it's really nice.

01:24:44 ◼   ► It works all the time.

01:24:46 ◼   ► Like it seems really bulletproof.

01:24:47 ◼   ► And I've been, I've really been enjoying that a lot.

01:24:50 ◼   ► When you said little things, it made me think about this.

01:24:53 ◼   ► The headphone amp I use has really satisfying switches

01:24:57 ◼   ► on the back of it to turn it on and off.

01:24:59 ◼   ► I'm touching them now.

01:25:00 ◼   ► I'm not going to press them because I want to still

01:25:02 ◼   ► be able to hear you all.

01:25:03 ◼   ► But there's very satisfying toggle switches

01:25:05 ◼   ► that make a nice sound, and they feel good.

01:25:08 ◼   ► And I use them some days, multiple times a day.

01:25:12 ◼   ► And it's just a really nice little thing.

01:25:14 ◼   ► Good switches, good buttons.

01:25:16 ◼   ► I like them.

01:25:17 ◼   ► - Good buttons are a good thing.

01:25:19 ◼   ► - All right, I think that does it for this week's episode.

01:25:22 ◼   ► We have one more thing we're gonna do at the end,

01:25:25 ◼   ► but we're putting it at the end

01:25:26 ◼   ► because it's not everyone's cup of tea.

01:25:28 ◼   ► - Well, wait, hold on a second.

01:25:30 ◼   ► We should say we're thankful for our listeners.

01:25:32 ◼   ► We shouldn't take them for granted.

01:25:37 ◼   ► We're actually pretty lucky that we get to do this

01:25:39 ◼   ► and that we have people following our dumb jokes

01:25:42 ◼   ► and sometimes intelligent opinions, I hope.

01:25:44 ◼   ► - Well said. - So thank you.

01:25:47 ◼   ► If you want to find links to the stuff we spoke about,

01:25:49 ◼   ► like all the PopSocket stuff or Myke's TV, anything else,

01:25:54 ◼   ► those links are collected for you

01:25:56 ◼   ► over at relay.fm/connected/271.

01:26:01 ◼   ► While you're there, you can send us an email

01:26:03 ◼   ► with feedback or follow up,

01:26:04 ◼   ► or you can follow the links to our Twitter pages.

01:26:07 ◼   ► So you can find Myke there as I-M-Y-K-E.

01:26:11 ◼   ► Myke is the host of a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM,

01:26:13 ◼   ► so go check those out.

01:26:14 ◼   ► This week, you've published Upgrade and Cortex,

01:26:16 ◼   ► saw and you were a guest on Focus, so you've been all over the place this week.

01:26:20 ◼   ► Oh, and the Pan-Addict will be out soon.

01:26:23 ◼   ► All the great...

01:26:24 ◼   ► Busy, busy boy!

01:26:25 ◼   ► ...m

01:26:36 ◼   ► home screen icons, like there's no excuse now that they're on sale. So they're really awesome.

01:26:41 ◼   ► You can find me on Twitter as ismh and I write 512pixels.net. I will say I have a YouTube video

01:26:51 ◼   ► coming to 512 pixels on Black Friday, but it is not a Black Friday video. It's not about deals.

01:26:58 ◼   ► Oh, I see what you've done. That's clever. I know what the video is.

01:27:02 ◼   ► So that's that's coming Friday. So look for that

01:27:04 ◼   ► Just about done with it. So I guess got to wrap this up after I

01:27:08 ◼   ► Did the show it's Stevens doing a rendition of the Rebecca Rebecca Black song Friday, so everyone can look forward to that

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01:27:28 ◼   ► Ahrefs and now we're gonna talk about the Tesla Cybertruck. Why are we doing this?

01:27:34 ◼   ► What we've never done this before. Why are we doing this? I want to talk about it

01:27:38 ◼   ► I don't have any place to do it. So okay, that's cool. That is a perfectly valid reason. I just wondered why yeah, I accept that

01:27:45 ◼   ► Is this is this fake ATP it is this what we're huh? Okay

01:27:50 ◼   ► Can I be John and have wrong opinions about food? Yeah, you're John

01:27:56 ◼   ► I'm Casey and Stevens Marco. I think I saw that one. Yes that hmm

01:28:01 ◼   ► Oh, no, my computer is broken buy two new ones. No, no, my grandma used to make a real Italian American food

01:28:09 ◼   ► I'm not gonna buy one. Yeah, I'm probably gonna buy one. Are you gonna buy one? That's Marco not Steven. That's confusing

01:28:25 ◼   ► Okay, so they announced this last week everyone knows Tesla's building a truck it's called the Cybertruck

01:28:31 ◼   ► It has a very distinctive look

01:28:32 ◼   ► They talked about Tesla things including how many motors it has and the high speed and how fast you get to 60

01:28:39 ◼   ► Which doesn't matter in a pickup truck?

01:28:41 ◼   ► We're talking about Tesla not ATP anymore right switched gears unlike a Tesla, which doesn't have a transmission. Yeah, Elon it. Yeah

01:28:48 ◼   ► Okay, so Myke you don't drive

01:28:51 ◼   ► Y'all don't have a car. I'm we are gonna though next year. That's the plan. We want to get a car

01:28:57 ◼   ► Are you gonna buy a Cybertruck? Oh, it's a Cybertruck gonna be your first car

01:29:00 ◼   ► I wanted to get an electric car, but we have underground parking and there are no outlets. Oh, no

01:29:07 ◼   ► So I wanted to skip gas completely yeah, can you go to your I don't know your situation

01:29:14 ◼   ► Can you go to your homeowners Association or?

01:29:17 ◼   ► Whoever and be like put outlets in it has it has been brought up by many people and is apparently being looked at

01:29:24 ◼   ► But I do not have any faith in it happening. I do drive

01:29:28 ◼   ► I drive a pickup truck unlike every other podcast and YouTube video

01:29:32 ◼   ► I've seen I actually drive a truck and so I have my opinions are based on that

01:29:37 ◼   ► That's why we're doing this. That's why I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it

01:29:42 ◼   ► But before we get to that, I want to talk about the truckie stuff

01:29:46 ◼   ► But first I want to talk about the looks because that's the most obvious thing

01:29:50 ◼   ► Federico

01:29:51 ◼   ► How does this strike you?

01:29:53 ◼   ► like

01:29:56 ◼   ► It's terrible and I think and I think so here's my problem

01:29:59 ◼   ► Well more than one problem and I'm trying to put this lightly. I don't like the culture of of

01:30:08 ◼   ► Elon Musk bros that I see on Twitter. Mm-hmm. I don't get yeah

01:30:15 ◼   ► No, I get the fascination with a person who is an innovator, who likes to try new ideas,

01:30:23 ◼   ► who likes to go beyond the rules. I can understand that. I don't like the fixation of it. I don't

01:30:31 ◼   ► like the absolute, almost like godlike reverence that some people have. It does feel like a

01:30:42 ◼   ► cult.

01:30:43 ◼   ► a question and I'm not trying to trip you up and I think we've touched on this before but

01:30:47 ◼   ► yeah I know where you're going what makes Elon different to Steve because like the idea of the

01:30:52 ◼   ► cult-like following and the god-like thinking could all like we all did it for Steve Jobs

01:30:58 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah like was I think part of the difference is that Elon tweets and I wonder

01:31:04 ◼   ► what it would have been like if Jobs tweeted. Yeah I think probably I think it's uh right it's uh

01:31:10 ◼   ► Yeah, for me, that's part of the issue. Like the idea of this exposure that we have to

01:31:15 ◼   ► somebody's unfiltered thoughts.

01:31:17 ◼   ► Elon, Elon does not, Elon does not allow for his thoughts to be filtered either. Right?

01:31:22 ◼   ► Like, you know, like Satya Nadella, everyone and Tim Cook, everyone's checking those tweets,

01:31:27 ◼   ► right?

01:31:28 ◼   ► And I don't like that. I like some people love the, oh, he's just speaking his mind.

01:31:31 ◼   ► No, I don't like that. You're a public figure. You're not supposed to speak your mind and

01:31:34 ◼   ► replied to randos on Twitter. That's like, I don't personally I may be wrong, but it's

01:31:40 ◼   ► what I think. I don't think it's classy. I don't think it's elegant. I think you just

01:31:44 ◼   ► make yourself look like a fool. And there's times with Musk in particular where he does

01:31:47 ◼   ► that and he's nasty. Right. I think that we, we all knew. Yeah. Yeah. Right. When, when

01:31:53 ◼   ► he called, I mean, when he called the guy that word like, you know, that was awful.

01:32:00 ◼   ► And Jobs was that way, right?

01:32:02 ◼   ► Like you hear stories about him being very angry

01:32:05 ◼   ► with people, but to Myke's point, it wasn't in public

01:32:08 ◼   ► and it wasn't to random people, right?

01:32:11 ◼   ► If you were in Jobs' orbit, part of that understanding

01:32:15 ◼   ► was he could lash out at me, right?

01:32:18 ◼   ► And I'm not saying he should have, I'm not saying,

01:32:19 ◼   ► I'm not even saying that Jobs was like a better person

01:32:21 ◼   ► than Elon Musk, I don't know either of the men.

01:32:23 ◼   ► I can't judge their character.

01:32:25 ◼   ► But from what we see on Twitter,

01:32:26 ◼   ► Musk is a bit of a loose cannon,

01:32:28 ◼   ► and that's hard for me to reconcile.

01:32:32 ◼   ► And there's always stories,

01:32:34 ◼   ► and there's stories from Tesla and SpaceX

01:32:36 ◼   ► about the culture of the companies

01:32:39 ◼   ► and the work, the hours that are demanded,

01:32:42 ◼   ► and sometimes lack safety policy.

01:32:44 ◼   ► And there's a lot of things that the culture around him

01:32:48 ◼   ► feels immature and maybe even reckless

01:32:52 ◼   ► in a sense that I never got from Apple.

01:32:54 ◼   ► Anyways, I did not mean to go down that rabbit hole.

01:32:57 ◼   ► So, no, I was saying that what I mostly don't like are two things. One is the fact that

01:33:05 ◼   ► if you ever disagree with this in public, which is why I don't tweet about Elon or Tesla

01:33:09 ◼   ► anymore, you get all kinds of nasty people from Twitter attacking you, and I don't like

01:33:14 ◼   ► that. Then there's the off chance that Elon himself will reply to you, and at that point

01:33:19 ◼   ► you might as well suspend your own Twitter account.

01:33:23 ◼   ► So you got to go private for a week.

01:33:25 ◼   ► But really my main issue is the following, the Cybertruck especially.

01:33:29 ◼   ► I feel like a lot of people have fallen into this delusion of thinking that all radical and different design is good design.

01:33:39 ◼   ► And I don't think just because you're different and breaking the rules it's necessarily something that looks nice.

01:33:45 ◼   ► And I feel like we're...

01:33:47 ◼   ► In this case of the Cybertruck, I believe it is an ugly object.

01:33:54 ◼   ► It is visually unpleasant. It is something that I would never, ever let other people see me drive.

01:34:05 ◼   ► And I don't know if I'm quite conveying the feelings that I have on this.

01:34:11 ◼   ► It is the most horrific human-made vehicle I've ever seen in my life.

01:34:16 ◼   ► It's not even funny. It's not even...

01:34:19 ◼   ► It's... it's... yes, I've seen people say "Oh, this design should be celebrated."

01:34:24 ◼   ► No, it's ugly. You need to understand that when something is ugly, you need to call it ugly.

01:34:29 ◼   ► This is not beautiful in its own way. This is not beautiful because it's unique.

01:34:34 ◼   ► This is not beautiful because it's futuristic. This is an ugly object.

01:34:39 ◼   ► It's like... it's visually unpleasant.

01:34:42 ◼   ► Can I... can I go now?

01:34:45 ◼   ► No, I'll add one last point.

01:34:47 ◼   ► I think it's important I go now.

01:34:49 ◼   ► Okay.

01:34:51 ◼   ► It's ugly but I like it. I can't help it. I like it.

01:34:54 ◼   ► I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

01:34:56 ◼   ► I know it's ugly. I look at it and I know if I saw it in the street I'd be scared of it.

01:35:03 ◼   ► But I can't change who I am.

01:35:06 ◼   ► Do you like it because you think it makes you more like...

01:35:12 ◼   ► I have no opinion about why I like it.

01:35:14 ◼   ► it. I can't tell you why. I don't like it because it's radical. I don't like it because

01:35:19 ◼   ► it's different. I don't like it because it's daring. I think it's stupid that they made

01:35:23 ◼   ► the design for all of those reasons. If they made it to be daring and different, it's just

01:35:27 ◼   ► like "I don't know if that was the right move or unless they were trying to do that for

01:35:30 ◼   ► the point of standing out so people would buy the car because MKBHD did a good video

01:35:36 ◼   ► right where it's like if you made it look like a pickup truck then people that buy pickup

01:35:39 ◼   ► trucks probably wouldn't... if they're going to keep buying the same one every year while

01:35:42 ◼   ► No, no, because people buy Teslas. It's a theory. Anyway, but yes, I agree with that

01:35:48 ◼   ► point, right? People buy Teslas because they buy Teslas. I can't tell you why I like it,

01:35:51 ◼   ► Federico, but it's growing on me. Like, I don't love it, but like, at first I was like,

01:35:56 ◼   ► that is hideous. And now I look at it and I'm like... You shouldn't. Like, try, try

01:36:00 ◼   ► to fix yourself of whatever predicament you're in. You shouldn't like it. I can't, you know,

01:36:05 ◼   ► I don't... You shouldn't like this thing. I mean, look at it. I'm not going to these

01:36:08 ◼   ► Just look at it. Just look at it. It looks like a car from Stunt Race FX from the Super

01:36:14 ◼   ► Nintendo. No, those cars were actually better. It does. I can't help who I am. I am what

01:36:21 ◼   ► I am. Like, look at this. And then I think about the amazing tradition of Italian brands

01:36:27 ◼   ► that we have here, from Lamborghini to Maserati to Alfa Romeo to Ferrari. And you look at

01:36:32 ◼   ► this to like who made this? An American. Right? An American full of himself made this. And

01:36:39 ◼   ► you can see that in the design, right? Like, I agree with everything you are saying, but

01:36:45 ◼   ► I can't. I look at it and I'm like, it's kind of cool. But this is how we fail as a species

01:36:50 ◼   ► when we stop to recognize good design and accept whatever. Wow. Latest American exceptionalism

01:36:56 ◼   ► we won't accept. That is when we fail. That's not the end of the species. No, but it's part

01:37:02 ◼   ► of that right when we start to accept whatever design that wants to swallow and just think that

01:37:07 ◼   ► it's cool because they said so i thought i was going to be the one fired up i love that i'm not

01:37:11 ◼   ► it is uh i think it is ugly i do think it is futuristic but in a way that is

01:37:18 ◼   ► like if if you were 1980 and you thought from the past it would look like not the future as we see

01:37:25 ◼   ► it from 2020 i'll give tesla this they did not just take the model x and chop off the back because

01:37:32 ◼   ► 'cause all their other cars kind of look the same, right?

01:37:36 ◼   ► They have a design language that's consistent

01:37:38 ◼   ► across the three models, and the Model Y that's coming

01:37:41 ◼   ► the end of 2020 fits that design aesthetic.

01:37:44 ◼   ► This is boldly different, and I'll give them credit for that.

01:37:49 ◼   ► I also think that we should point out

01:37:50 ◼   ► that while it is a prototype,

01:37:52 ◼   ► Tesla prototypes don't differ.

01:37:54 ◼   ► This is what this truck is gonna look like

01:37:56 ◼   ► once you add windshield wipers and side windows.

01:37:59 ◼   ► And I'm actually not positive about the legality

01:38:01 ◼   ► the way the tail light works because in the US at least lights can't be only on

01:38:07 ◼   ► movable parts of the body work and I'm not sure if there's enough overhang on

01:38:12 ◼   ► the body I just I just don't know but broadly speaking this is what this truck

01:38:17 ◼   ► will look like. It is interesting that they are taking what is good about

01:38:22 ◼   ► electric cars and applying it to the truck right so you have lots of torque

01:38:26 ◼   ► you can the what it can pull is impressive for a truck of its size

01:38:30 ◼   ► There'll be a link in the show notes to a video by Doug DeMuro who's a car journalist

01:38:35 ◼   ► and he did what I was thinking about doing but beat me to it of like

01:38:40 ◼   ► comparing this truck to the f-150 which is the best-selling vehicle in America

01:38:44 ◼   ► this is the same size as the Ford f-150 almost exactly but it's numbers

01:38:50 ◼   ► price-wise and it's numbers on what it can tow put it in ground between the f-150

01:38:56 ◼   ► in like a super duty, like heavy duty truck,

01:38:59 ◼   ► which the F-150 isn't.

01:39:00 ◼   ► And so it kinda comes out not comparing well

01:39:04 ◼   ► to the F-150 or something like the F-2 or 350,

01:39:07 ◼   ► which can tow a lot more and cost a lot more.

01:39:10 ◼   ► This is in weird middle ground.

01:39:12 ◼   ► And that's all really interesting to talk about.

01:39:14 ◼   ► But the heart of why I struggle with this

01:39:17 ◼   ► is not even the looks, 'cause I'm pretty sound

01:39:20 ◼   ► that I don't like the way it looks, but who it's for.

01:39:24 ◼   ► And you have the 200,000 people

01:39:26 ◼   ► who have made reservations so far.

01:39:29 ◼   ► Doug in his video points out that that number's actually low

01:39:33 ◼   ► compared to previous times, like the Model 3.

01:39:36 ◼   ► And it's only a tenth of the cost.

01:39:38 ◼   ► Almost anyone could put $100 down on this

01:39:40 ◼   ► just to see what would happen.

01:39:43 ◼   ► To put $1,000 down like the Model 3

01:39:45 ◼   ► is a significantly bigger ask.

01:39:49 ◼   ► And so he views it, and the way I view it is

01:39:51 ◼   ► this actually isn't a hit yet.

01:39:52 ◼   ► This isn't as popular as the Model 3 was a few days after its launch.

01:39:56 ◼   ► But the numbers hide that fact the way they're doing the preorder, which really

01:40:01 ◼   ► aren't a preorder. It just puts your name in line to order one officially when

01:40:06 ◼   ► it's available. Right. So it's like a preorder, but not a preorder.

01:40:09 ◼   ► It's refundable and it's refundable.

01:40:11 ◼   ► So basically, my understanding is when your name comes up, you get an email say,

01:40:14 ◼   ► do an order. Yes. Here are the options I want. No, I don't give him one hundred

01:40:17 ◼   ► dollars back. It's a loan to Tesla so they can build these effectively.

01:40:21 ◼   ► But the question of who it's for is the most interesting one.

01:40:24 ◼   ► So there are a lot, I got into this on Twitter.

01:40:27 ◼   ► There are lots of people who buy trucks,

01:40:28 ◼   ► who buy SUVs in America in particular for the status.

01:40:33 ◼   ► And I'm not judging that.

01:40:34 ◼   ► If you have the money,

01:40:35 ◼   ► that's how you wanna express yourself,

01:40:37 ◼   ► and you wanna buy a big truck because it's big.

01:40:40 ◼   ► Like, look, I'm from the South.

01:40:41 ◼   ► Lots of people do that here.

01:40:43 ◼   ► I'm completely normalized to it, right?

01:40:45 ◼   ► Like if you wanna buy this thing

01:40:47 ◼   ► to look awesome in the suburbs in your own mind,

01:40:52 ◼   ► not in actuality 'cause it's ugly, that's fine.

01:40:55 ◼   ► If that's Tesla's market, that's totally cool.

01:40:58 ◼   ► Where I look at it is my coming from me,

01:41:02 ◼   ► I own and drive a pickup, I don't drive an F-150,

01:41:05 ◼   ► I drive a Tacoma, it's a mid-sized truck,

01:41:08 ◼   ► it's a little smaller than this,

01:41:10 ◼   ► but I do use it as a truck, and I come from a family

01:41:14 ◼   ► of people who own construction companies,

01:41:17 ◼   ► and they own trucks and use trucks every day at work, right?

01:41:20 ◼   ► And so that's my viewpoint of what I bring to this.

01:41:23 ◼   ► So that's what I wanna filter the rest

01:41:26 ◼   ► of my comments through.

01:41:27 ◼   ► So you may disagree with me, that's fine.

01:41:29 ◼   ► This is just where I'm coming from, right?

01:41:31 ◼   ► When I look at this, I look at something

01:41:33 ◼   ► that can't actually replace something like an F-150

01:41:38 ◼   ► or another full-size truck because of the design

01:41:42 ◼   ► that they have put forth.

01:41:43 ◼   ► If they had taken a more traditional approach, this would be more attractive to people who

01:41:49 ◼   ► buy a truck to actually use it as a truck. Like, like, like my parents who work in construction,

01:41:55 ◼   ► like even I do to a large extent where I'm hauling things and doing things around the house and with

01:42:02 ◼   ► the kids in the truck. From that perspective, this is a weird vehicle. It seats six, which is nice,

01:42:07 ◼   ► actually, if you're talking about like a work crew, but Tesla's interiors are really high end

01:42:13 ◼   ► and a lot of work trucks in particular are very low-end interiors because you don't want to mess them up, right?

01:42:17 ◼   ► If you're taking tools in and out of the backseat or you're muddy or something like that, you don't want to mess this up.

01:42:23 ◼   ► And this interior seems way too fragile for a work vehicle.

01:42:28 ◼   ► There's also the issue of the bed. It's six and a half feet long. It's a foot longer than the bed in my Tacoma.

01:42:33 ◼   ► I've got a

01:42:34 ◼   ► the five foot version of the Tacoma. My dad has the eight foot version of the F-150, so it's not as long as that either.

01:42:40 ◼   ► It's a good length six six and a half feet is a good length

01:42:43 ◼   ► You can put a lot of stuff in there, but they and maybe this is all there or it will be there

01:42:48 ◼   ► But Tesla's press events are so useless. You can't really tell they didn't even talk about the utility of the bed

01:42:54 ◼   ► What we've learned about it has come out later on Twitter through Elon or through various people asking questions

01:43:00 ◼   ► The side buttresses are gonna make hard for loading and unloading equipment and anything big

01:43:07 ◼   ► You've got to go through the bed not over the side. It also means that if you're carrying something really big that may

01:43:13 ◼   ► Interfere with with how that that buttressing works and it could be in your way

01:43:18 ◼   ► It doesn't have a rearview mirror has a rearview camera because of the there's a cover a motorized cover that goes over the back

01:43:25 ◼   ► Elon on Twitter said that that could be a solar panel as an option

01:43:28 ◼   ► Which I think is actually really cool that at least gets out of the way completely, which is nice, but they didn't really get into

01:43:35 ◼   ► Any sort of technology in the bed. It's lit which is nice

01:43:39 ◼   ► A lot of trucks have that but if you are using this as a work vehicle

01:43:44 ◼   ► you need to be able to tie things down you will strap things down and

01:43:47 ◼   ► there are

01:43:50 ◼   ► Indications that maybe those lines at the bed are actually a rail system and they will have some sort of hardware

01:43:54 ◼   ► You can slide in and out until they've talked about that

01:43:57 ◼   ► They really haven't sold this as a as a work vehicle

01:44:02 ◼   ► Another thing people need to do with the work vehicle is modify it to be able to

01:44:06 ◼   ► Put a ladder rack on it put a topper on it put

01:44:09 ◼   ► things in the bed that that

01:44:12 ◼   ► match what they need to do and a stainless steel bed, even if it has this rail system doesn't seem like it's going to

01:44:19 ◼   ► To be flexible in the way that a lot of people who depend on their trucks for their jobs

01:44:24 ◼   ► Can can use and it's not even a price issue, right?

01:44:28 ◼   ► because you can buy an F of 50 that's more than this or the same price.

01:44:32 ◼   ► It gets really expensive.

01:44:33 ◼   ► But for someone who just needs a work truck, even if the money's off the table,

01:44:37 ◼   ► this doesn't seem flexible enough for them.

01:44:40 ◼   ► And, and things like zero to 60 don't really matter in a pickup truck.

01:44:45 ◼   ► You know, what matters is what's the range going to be when you're pulling a

01:44:48 ◼   ► trailer. They didn't talk about that.

01:44:49 ◼   ► People who have talked about the model X pulling a trailer,

01:44:52 ◼   ► the range goes in the toilet real quick when you're pulling weight behind it.

01:44:56 ◼   ► They didn't mention that for a reason.

01:44:58 ◼   ► And they need to explain at some point

01:45:00 ◼   ► what towing will do to the range, what will do to the handling.

01:45:04 ◼   ► And things like air suspension aren't what people who buy trucks

01:45:07 ◼   ► for trucks want, right?

01:45:09 ◼   ► It's it's fine if you're again, it's fine if you're going to use this

01:45:12 ◼   ► as like your like cool urban vehicle.

01:45:16 ◼   ► But if you're going to use it in the real world,

01:45:18 ◼   ► I just think they've missed the mark.

01:45:20 ◼   ► And and that's putting aside again looks and money.

01:45:24 ◼   ► But I don't know I I wanted to be excited about this because I would love at some point to replace my Tacoma with an electric

01:45:31 ◼   ► pickup truck

01:45:32 ◼   ► but

01:45:33 ◼   ► This has me waiting for Ford or for Rivian or somebody else doing a more traditional truck which Elon cut boring

01:45:40 ◼   ► But they're boring for a reason because it's a tool and utility

01:45:43 ◼   ► sure

01:45:46 ◼   ► Yeah, well he would say that wouldn't be boring

01:45:48 ◼   ► for me personally the very fact that we're even

01:45:52 ◼   ► Considering this as a viable option is just heartbreaking. Like honestly from a...

01:45:58 ◼   ► I'm lucky enough to live in Italy and I'm constantly...

01:46:04 ◼   ► I think I've been constantly exposed to a long tradition of good design,

01:46:11 ◼   ► whether it's clothes or cars or buildings.

01:46:14 ◼   ► And I think there's...

01:46:17 ◼   ► Yes, I understand the beauty as a concept is subjective.

01:46:22 ◼   ► but I also think that in product design you can call something ugly when it is, when its design

01:46:34 ◼   ► is informed not by the pleasure of looking at an object but just wanting to look different because.

01:46:46 ◼   ► And I think it's... my problem with this track is that it's disrespectful of what design means.

01:46:52 ◼   ► Like, it can have the best performance ever. It can pull any kind of, you know, it can have all

01:47:00 ◼   ► the torque you want and whatever. This is an insult, visually speaking. I am absolutely

01:47:10 ◼   ► excited. I'll tell you about what about the Mustang Mach-E that Ford is doing. That is a

01:47:17 ◼   ► beautiful car that is also futuristic, that also understands that people... Here's... I'll let you

01:47:23 ◼   ► in on a little secret. People like to look at nice things. And I think the more we allow ourselves to

01:47:34 ◼   ► modify our tastes to follow whatever a crazy man in America thinks should be called beautiful.

01:47:40 ◼   ► The farther we get from the from actual good design and nice design, people like nice things,

01:47:45 ◼   ► people like pretty things, people like things that are nice and smooth and beautiful and shiny,

01:47:52 ◼   ► not some low poly gun truck that like that looks like an 80s movie gun run.

01:47:59 ◼   ► Like, and it will not change my opinion on this, I think it looks ugly, and I think we should be

01:48:04 ◼   ► free to call something ugly what it is. Not all beauty is subjective, especially when

01:48:09 ◼   ► it comes to design. So that's my opinion. It could have the best performance in the

01:48:14 ◼   ► world, but with that kind of look? Really? Well, thankfully, it's going so fast no one

01:48:19 ◼   ► can look at it for very long. You know, "Oh, it's ugly! Oh, it's gone! I didn't even notice

01:48:23 ◼   ► how ugly it was." Maybe that's why it's so fast. I don't know. And in general, like,

01:48:27 ◼   ► I just don't get the... Like, we could go on. I have thoughts about SpaceX. I have thoughts

01:48:32 ◼   ► about all kinds of Elon related things.

01:48:35 ◼   ► I--

01:48:36 ◼   ► - Okay, and we're not gonna get into the Mach-E,

01:48:37 ◼   ► but I disagree with you a little bit,

01:48:40 ◼   ► but it's compared to the Cybertruck, it's a beauty.

01:48:44 ◼   ► So I think that's it.

01:48:46 ◼   ► None of us are on the hook for this.

01:48:48 ◼   ► I do find it really interesting though.

01:48:50 ◼   ► Like, Myke likes it, but he's not gonna--

01:48:52 ◼   ► - No, Myke likes it.

01:48:53 ◼   ► - He's not gonna buy one.

01:48:54 ◼   ► - Myke likes it.

01:48:55 ◼   ► - When he says on the hook,

01:48:56 ◼   ► he means I haven't put any money down.

01:48:58 ◼   ► - Oh, oh yeah.

01:48:58 ◼   ► - That truck would crush everything in London.

01:49:00 ◼   ► It's way too big for your city. It's too big for London. You know, people are buying it here

01:49:05 ◼   ► I don't know how they expect to move it around but I have see I see pickup trucks in the UK sometimes and I don't

01:49:11 ◼   ► Understand how anybody lives their lives. I don't know if I would be so far as to say I

01:49:16 ◼   ► like it

01:49:18 ◼   ► But I do not have the same feeling about it as I did initially

01:49:23 ◼   ► That's fair. That's kind of where I and I think that's true for a lot of people

01:49:25 ◼   ► It's growing on them and and all I mean, you know

01:49:29 ◼   ► My comments about the utility of it are open to change as we learn more about it

01:49:33 ◼   ► And and one thing Tesla does and I'll give them credit for this if they get thoughtful feedback from a lot of customers

01:49:40 ◼   ► They do listen to it, right? They they have evolved their software and it still is a long way to go

01:49:46 ◼   ► They still not carplay Bluetooth is still terrible, whatever

01:49:48 ◼   ► But you know people have asked for things and they've gotten them over the years and I think with this

01:49:53 ◼   ► they're going to get feedback about the utility and

01:49:56 ◼   ► Prioritizing some things over other things. I don't think the design is going to radically change

01:50:00 ◼   ► But hopefully they do tell the story of how it's useful in a better way

01:50:05 ◼   ► You know, all this is colored to a degree by Musk's pretty bad

01:50:08 ◼   ► Performance on stage like I don't mean to pick on him

01:50:12 ◼   ► But like he's awkward on stage and that's true if he's talking about SpaceX or anything else

01:50:17 ◼   ► but the content of the keynote was very

01:50:22 ◼   ► specific, right? The website has way more detail on the truck, some of the options you

01:50:27 ◼   ► can get with it. There's a picture of a camper thing that I made fun of, like none of that

01:50:31 ◼   ► was talked about. And if they had done a better job, they spent 30 seconds on, "Hey, we have

01:50:36 ◼   ► this cool rail system so you can tie stuff down. Hey, it has this or that that make,

01:50:41 ◼   ► you know, people in the world are going to want." They didn't do any of that.

01:50:44 ◼   ► They spent too much time on demos that didn't work, basically.

01:50:48 ◼   ► Yeah, they did break the windows on the demo, which...

01:50:52 ◼   ► - That's so sad.

01:50:52 ◼   ► - It's awkward. - Oh, heartbreak.

01:50:54 ◼   ► - Everyone's had a demo fail, right?

01:50:55 ◼   ► The iPhone 10 didn't face unlock the first time, right?

01:50:57 ◼   ► That's pretty bad.

01:50:58 ◼   ► A bad demo doesn't do my product, but--

01:51:00 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:51:01 ◼   ► - Tesla and Mustard do a better job

01:51:02 ◼   ► at explaining these things up front,

01:51:04 ◼   ► so we don't have to have these conversations, right?

01:51:05 ◼   ► We don't have to wonder about,

01:51:06 ◼   ► well, what if you do wanna put something

01:51:08 ◼   ► in the back of it, right?

01:51:09 ◼   ► Like, I have a question.

01:51:10 ◼   ► Is it slippery as hell back there when it's wet?

01:51:13 ◼   ► I bet it is.

01:51:13 ◼   ► Like, that's a problem if you have stuff

01:51:15 ◼   ► in the bed of your truck, so all of those things,

01:51:17 ◼   ► hopefully, will come to light over time,

01:51:19 ◼   ► But I want to talk about it because it's a tech product

01:51:21 ◼   ► in a weird way, right?

01:51:22 ◼   ► Like we're watching tech YouTubers talk about it.

01:51:24 ◼   ► Jonathan Morrison did this call with MKBHD,

01:51:27 ◼   ► basically a FaceTime call they just put on YouTube

01:51:29 ◼   ► last night of them talking about it as a work truck

01:51:32 ◼   ► for camera work and like production work.

01:51:35 ◼   ► That's really interesting to me.

01:51:36 ◼   ► - I still think it's this whole thing.

01:51:39 ◼   ► I don't actually believe this is a product.

01:51:41 ◼   ► The more I look at it, the more I think it's like

01:51:42 ◼   ► a piece of performance art to get us to talk about it.

01:51:46 ◼   ► Like it's not an actual thing.

01:51:47 ◼   ► It can be an actual thing.

01:51:47 ◼   ► - Oh, it's gonna be a real thing?

01:51:48 ◼   ► - I refuse to-- - People are gonna be

01:51:49 ◼   ► driving them in two to seven years when they finally ship.

01:51:54 ◼   ► If you have problems with any of that, please email Casey.

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