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00:00:02 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected episode 280.

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00:00:17 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett

00:00:18 ◼   ► and I am joined by Mr. Federico Fatici.

00:00:21 ◼   ► - Hello, Stephen.

00:00:22 ◼   ► Hi, how are you?

00:00:23 ◼   ► - I'm good, how are you today?

00:00:25 ◼   ► - I'm good, yes.

00:00:26 ◼   ► - Yeah?

00:00:27 ◼   ► Let's see if we can keep this trend up.

00:00:28 ◼   ► Myke, how are you?

00:00:30 ◼   ► - Bonjourno.

00:00:31 ◼   ► - Okay, okay.

00:00:34 ◼   ► Why?

00:00:35 ◼   ► Care to explain?

00:00:36 ◼   ► - Just that sometimes I hear your voice and I get inspired.

00:00:41 ◼   ► - I thought you missed Europe already.

00:00:42 ◼   ► - And I wished I was, that's, I can't believe you'd do that.

00:00:46 ◼   ► - Wait, was that a Brexit?

00:00:47 ◼   ► - I can't believe you would do that to me.

00:00:49 ◼   ► - I'm sorry, I love you.

00:00:50 ◼   ► - Why would you do that?

00:00:51 ◼   ► Why would you do that?

00:00:52 ◼   ► - It just came out. - What is wrong with you?

00:00:54 ◼   ► - It just fell off my tongue.

00:00:56 ◼   ► Why would you... you know what happened on my birthday?

00:00:59 ◼   ► Happy birthday!

00:01:01 ◼   ► I'm so sorry.

00:01:02 ◼   ► Why would you do that? I just went through like my first passport check, you know?

00:01:08 ◼   ► I apologize.

00:01:09 ◼   ► Coming from Europe into England. Nothing's changed. People think it's changed. Nothing's changed yet. Nothing will change, but...

00:01:15 ◼   ► You're not eating your children yet or, you know?

00:01:18 ◼   ► No, no, no. Things are gonna change, but like, not for a long time, if anything, ever.

00:01:23 ◼   ► it's still terrible. I can't believe you'd do that to me. Why is this how we're starting

00:01:26 ◼   ► the show now? You just remind me of Brexit. No, I regret the error. Yeah. I wish I could

00:01:32 ◼   ► take it back. Federico Fattucci Enterprises apologizes for the error. I am sorry if I

00:01:37 ◼   ► cost you any inconvenience. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. Speaking of inconvenience, can we

00:01:47 ◼   ► talk about Twitter for iPad? Do we have to? Yeah, they fixed it! Well, they quote unquote

00:01:55 ◼   ► fixed it by going back, well by offering it. So we complained about the Twitter for iPad

00:02:02 ◼   ► at length over multiple weeks. Over multiple weeks and there was a whole, you could call

00:02:07 ◼   ► it a whole campaign on Twitter of connected listeners sending us ideas for how to get

00:02:14 ◼   ► rid of the Twitter sidebar, and some very enterprising listeners actually wrote their

00:02:20 ◼   ► own apps to fill, very famously Filler, of course is an entire new category of apps that

00:02:28 ◼   ► fill one side of the screen with useful or not so useful content. Now, the Twitter team

00:02:35 ◼   ► seems to have caught on the criticism, and they rolled out, I think a few days ago, an

00:02:42 ◼   ► option in Settings, so if you go to your Twitter, you open the Twitter app, you go to your Twitter

00:02:48 ◼   ► account settings, and you choose Display, I believe it's the section, you can now find

00:02:55 ◼   ► Toggle that lets you disable the search column, which is the sidebar containing the trends

00:03:01 ◼   ► and the hashtags that we were complaining about.

00:03:04 ◼   ► And when you flip that switch, the search column goes away, and you effectively revert

00:03:10 ◼   ► to the old design of Twitter for iPad, which is not a good design, by the way,

00:03:14 ◼   ► because it's a it's such a wasted space.

00:03:17 ◼   ► Now, this this should like, you know, all of the people that were working on

00:03:22 ◼   ► things to put on the sidebar, you can still do this like,

00:03:25 ◼   ► but make these useful, right?

00:03:28 ◼   ► Like so, you know, we were talking about have like an iOS app or whatever

00:03:32 ◼   ► that can let you save tweets and do something with them.

00:03:35 ◼   ► You could still work on those because we could still

00:03:39 ◼   ► It would still be great to have some kind of like dedicated app that lives on the right hand side to actually make Twitter more useful.

00:03:46 ◼   ► But I'm just super happy about this because now I don't have to ever worry about seeing the trends that I don't want to see.

00:03:55 ◼   ► It's great. I'm so happy about it.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Genuinely, I'm very happy that Twitter have done this.

00:04:03 ◼   ► I'm very surprised that they did this because this doesn't make sense for them because they

00:04:10 ◼   ► are very clearly, they want the searches and the trends because they want people clicking

00:04:15 ◼   ► on them, right?

00:04:16 ◼   ► Drive that hashtag engagement.

00:04:17 ◼   ► But they've obviously, I'm just genuinely, I'm thankful that they have listened to the

00:04:22 ◼   ► complaints of their users, which is for a company of their size or whatever, it's not

00:04:27 ◼   ► something that I would have expected.

00:04:28 ◼   ► So I am genuinely really thankful that they have made this change because it is genuinely

00:04:36 ◼   ► like them caring about user experience over engagement.

00:04:42 ◼   ► So I am surprised they have done this and whoever did it, especially if that person

00:04:46 ◼   ► is a connected listener, I am very thankful that they have made that change.

00:04:51 ◼   ► So I appreciate it.

00:04:52 ◼   ► Yes, we are thankful and I want to, I agree with Myke.

00:04:57 ◼   ► still have work to do, but I do appreciate the fact that there's now an option, because

00:05:03 ◼   ► maybe some people liked the search column, but I'm guessing that most iPad users didn't,

00:05:10 ◼   ► so I'm glad that it's now possible to disable that. Thank you for listening. That said,

00:05:16 ◼   ► I still believe that Twitter for iPad app has a lot of untapped potential in terms of

00:05:20 ◼   ► taking advantage of the screen. Just today I retweeted a very quick concept by one of

00:05:27 ◼   ► the developers of Lookup, the dictionary app for iPhone and iPad. Its name is Vidit, and

00:05:34 ◼   ► Vidit put together a very... it's a quick mockup, it's a quick concept, it's not like

00:05:42 ◼   ► a full-on concept video or anything, just a single animation. But it shows you how,

00:05:50 ◼   ► On the iPad, the Twitter app could let you tap on a tweet and that tweet would create

00:05:56 ◼   ► a panel on the right side of the screen and it would sort of fly in from the right side

00:06:00 ◼   ► so that you could expand the tweet to see more details and follow the conversation and

00:06:05 ◼   ► engage with the retweet and like buttons and basically get more details out of that tweet.

00:06:12 ◼   ► And I was looking at that concept and I thought, "Well, this looks familiar."

00:06:16 ◼   ► And then I realized, oh, this is what the original Twitter for iPad designed.

00:06:21 ◼   ► He's made a new version of the original.

00:06:23 ◼   ► It used to be.

00:06:24 ◼   ► The OG Twitter for iPad app, which had all those sliding panels.

00:06:29 ◼   ► But it was like super weird.

00:06:32 ◼   ► But it was weird.

00:06:34 ◼   ► No, no, no.

00:06:35 ◼   ► Like, it was weird.

00:06:36 ◼   ► Right?

00:06:37 ◼   ► Super weird though.

00:06:38 ◼   ► I mean...

00:06:39 ◼   ► It was.

00:06:40 ◼   ► There was nothing else like it.

00:06:41 ◼   ► I remember at the time, this was...

00:06:43 ◼   ► It was just like...

00:06:44 ◼   ► Yes.

00:06:45 ◼   ► confusing and but ultimately useful application but I remember at the time many people including

00:06:53 ◼   ► myself thought that it was a very strange design for an iPad app at the time but look

00:07:00 ◼   ► you know what Federico they don't need to do any of this if they just implement multi-window

00:07:04 ◼   ► I know then it's great right like let's just do multi-window yeah just do multi-window

00:07:09 ◼   ► you don't need to come up with your own design unique animations just support multiple windows

00:07:14 ◼   ► and in one window I can keep the timeline, and in another I can keep whatever I want.

00:07:19 ◼   ► Maybe I just want to stare at my profile all day. Maybe I just want a window with Myke's

00:07:23 ◼   ► profile and look at Myke's tweets and followers, you know? I should be able to do that if I

00:07:28 ◼   ► want to. It's the principle of it. So anyway, we are glad that the Twitter for iPad app

00:07:35 ◼   ► was fixed. Why is there an item that says "Google AMP versus teaching" in our document?

00:07:41 ◼   ► Well, some people were unhappy with your take on AMP,

00:07:47 ◼   ► and I wanted you to have a chance to address that.

00:07:50 ◼   ► And there was a shortcut that uses JavaScript

00:07:55 ◼   ► to load the full URL if you end up on an AMP page,

00:07:59 ◼   ► which was cool.

00:08:00 ◼   ► And I was hoping that you had taken that for a drive

00:08:02 ◼   ► and could tell us about it.

00:08:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, and the person who made the shortcut,

00:08:08 ◼   ► Louis works at Apple and I believe works on the team that made this integration happen,

00:08:14 ◼   ► so they would know how to use this. I was sort of hoping this would be the kind of feedback

00:08:19 ◼   ► we would get. Yes, this is a perfect example of the advantage of being able to run JavaScript

00:08:26 ◼   ► in Safari. You can now do things like loading the canonical URL of the canonical URL will

00:08:32 ◼   ► will be the real URL of a web page,

00:08:35 ◼   ► and loading that in the current window.

00:08:39 ◼   ► Instead of having to tap the little icon in the AMP toolbar,

00:08:44 ◼   ► you can just run it from the share sheet, which

00:08:46 ◼   ► means you can just keep your thumb

00:08:47 ◼   ► at the bottom of the screen.

00:08:49 ◼   ► You don't need to reach out and find

00:08:50 ◼   ► the tiny icon in the upper corner,

00:08:53 ◼   ► especially if you have a big phone.

00:08:54 ◼   ► I think this is so much more convenient.

00:08:58 ◼   ► Also, I was reminded that Safari tries

00:09:02 ◼   ► to find the canonical URL as much as possible.

00:09:07 ◼   ► For example, in search results, if you long

00:09:11 ◼   ► press to get the context menu preview of a web page--

00:09:15 ◼   ► so if you long press on a search result,

00:09:18 ◼   ► Safari will try to load the preview for the canonical URL,

00:09:22 ◼   ► for the canonical web page.

00:09:24 ◼   ► So the preview will be the non-AMP version.

00:09:27 ◼   ► And if you expand the preview, it

00:09:29 ◼   ► should take you directly to the non-AMP canonical web page.

00:09:33 ◼   ► But if you just tap on a search result,

00:09:36 ◼   ► then Google will take over, and it'll show you the AMP web

00:09:39 ◼   ► page instead.

00:09:40 ◼   ► So the shortcut is amazing.

00:09:41 ◼   ► Thank you, Louis.

00:09:42 ◼   ► And thank you-- we got a bunch of other versions,

00:09:44 ◼   ► but I wanted to link this one, because it

00:09:47 ◼   ► feels like it's coming directly from the source.

00:09:51 ◼   ► So the criticism that we got--

00:09:54 ◼   ► I mean, what's the criticism?

00:09:57 ◼   ► I would like at this point in the show to make a point of order.

00:10:00 ◼   ► So like there's this, I like the thought here,

00:10:04 ◼   ► somebody at Apple tried their best to give you the proper URL, right?

00:10:08 ◼   ► In the share sheet or whatever,

00:10:09 ◼   ► because they think that maybe amp isn't that great.

00:10:12 ◼   ► I would like to raise the point of order of Apple news links because your boy

00:10:17 ◼   ► over here deleted Apple news from his phone because he doesn't want to have to

00:10:23 ◼   ► deal with headlines popping up all over the place, you know? It's difficult. So you play

00:10:30 ◼   ► whack-a-mole with turning it off, right?

00:10:32 ◼   ► So your boy is you?

00:10:35 ◼   ► Your boy is me, yeah, yeah.

00:10:36 ◼   ► Okay, yeah.

00:10:37 ◼   ► Um, because I'm your boy, right? Who else would it be?

00:10:40 ◼   ► Yeah, yes, you're my boy.

00:10:41 ◼   ► Could have been Casey.

00:10:42 ◼   ► Well, yeah, but I said over here as well.

00:10:45 ◼   ► I don't know where Casey is.

00:10:46 ◼   ► Well, that's true, actually. Nobody does.

00:10:47 ◼   ► Casey there?

00:10:48 ◼   ► He could be anywhere, nobody knows. But anyway, so I deleted Apple News. So if somebody has

00:10:53 ◼   ► an Apple news link and I tap that link all I get is the prompt of you should just reinstall

00:10:59 ◼   ► Apple news. It's like well no how about you give me a way to go to the website instead

00:11:06 ◼   ► but no. So if somebody tweets an Apple news link the best I can do is Google the headline

00:11:12 ◼   ► because I can't do it there's nothing else I can do with it so thanks. That really shouldn't

00:11:18 ◼   ► be a thing, right? Like, I feel like I should be able to get the URL some way, and I find

00:11:24 ◼   ► it very frustrating.

00:11:26 ◼   ► Now that you mention Apple News, we are in the process of, and I'm sure that I will annoy

00:11:34 ◼   ► some people, but we are in the process of...

00:11:37 ◼   ► Like me, probably.

00:11:38 ◼   ► No, not at all. Honestly, I think you won't care.

00:11:44 ◼   ► But we are in the process of removing the Apple News integration from Mac Stories.

00:11:48 ◼   ► Although that makes me happier.

00:11:50 ◼   ► Oh, OK.

00:11:51 ◼   ► It does?

00:11:52 ◼   ► Well, yeah, because I don't ever want to have to do with it.

00:11:54 ◼   ► Right?

00:11:55 ◼   ► Well, yeah, I mean, I don't think

00:11:56 ◼   ► you were reading Mac stories in Apple News anyway.

00:11:58 ◼   ► Well, I began because I didn't have it installed.

00:12:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:01 ◼   ► So we're doing it mostly for us because the plugin

00:12:04 ◼   ► that we're using to enable Apple News integration-- well,

00:12:08 ◼   ► first of all, you know my stance on plugins in general

00:12:13 ◼   ► and external dependencies.

00:12:15 ◼   ► I like to control my stuff as much as possible.

00:12:18 ◼   ► But really, the plugin was slowing down our CMS

00:12:23 ◼   ► by a considerable amount.

00:12:25 ◼   ► Like, every time we were here in Publish,

00:12:27 ◼   ► we had to wait like 20 seconds, for example, for an article

00:12:33 ◼   ► to actually tweet via the Mac Stories account.

00:12:36 ◼   ► And it often led, especially with long articles,

00:12:39 ◼   ► publishing to Apple News with the Apple News format,

00:12:42 ◼   ► it often led to slow loading times and errors

00:12:47 ◼   ► And it's just not a good experience.

00:12:50 ◼   ► But really, nobody's using it.

00:12:53 ◼   ► We can look at our stats.

00:12:55 ◼   ► And Mac Stories readers, they read Mac Stories

00:12:57 ◼   ► either via RSS or via the website.

00:13:00 ◼   ► And the amount of people, the number of people

00:13:03 ◼   ► that we're getting from Apple News

00:13:05 ◼   ► is a very, very, very low amount that is smaller, surprisingly,

00:13:11 ◼   ► than Flipboard.

00:13:13 ◼   ► We have--

00:13:13 ◼   ► What?

00:13:14 ◼   ► I guess-- yeah.

00:13:15 ◼   ► Flipboard is to this day still one of our top referrals after of course Google and Twitter.

00:13:22 ◼   ► Weren't you like really highly rated in Flipboard?

00:13:26 ◼   ► Wasn't there like a thing? I seem to remember that.

00:13:29 ◼   ► So we're talking seven years ago maybe like a cur- like a curator.

00:13:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:13:36 ◼   ► But I think what you're thinking of is I had also like I was a recommended user in pocket,

00:13:43 ◼   ► so maybe we are confusing the two things.

00:13:45 ◼   ► I don't know, but I was a Flipboard curator or something, I don't know.

00:13:50 ◼   ► Still, we got more people from Flipboard than from Apple News.

00:13:53 ◼   ► So, but from Flipboard, we don't have to do anything.

00:13:57 ◼   ► It just, Flipboard takes our RSS feed and creates a, you know,

00:14:01 ◼   ► a magazine-like layout or whatever.

00:14:03 ◼   ► Apple News, if you want to use Apple News format,

00:14:06 ◼   ► requires you to have either to hand code your integration

00:14:10 ◼   ► or to use a plugin, and the plugin is terrible,

00:14:12 ◼   ► so we don't want to invest on manual integration because it's not worth it. So what we're going

00:14:18 ◼   ► to do is what basically every website does, we're going back to the standard RSS mirroring

00:14:23 ◼   ► from our website to Apple News. Your icon is so old on Flipboard. Oh yeah? It's like

00:14:29 ◼   ► a million generations of Mac stories old. It's like a... Oh it's the grey one? The grey

00:14:36 ◼   ► one with the shadows and like the weirdly placed M.

00:14:41 ◼   ► Look at that, we got 65,000 followers.

00:14:44 ◼   ► That's why.

00:14:45 ◼   ► That's more than we have on Twitter.

00:14:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:48 ◼   ► For Mac stories.

00:14:49 ◼   ► People want that sweet flipboard content.

00:14:52 ◼   ► So yeah, I mean, it's just not worth it, you know?

00:14:57 ◼   ► And I know that there's a few Apple News format diehards out there.

00:15:04 ◼   ► like "Yeah, if you don't support the Apple News format, I will stop reading Mac stories."

00:15:08 ◼   ► And that's fine. Like, if you stop reading Mac stories because we don't support your

00:15:12 ◼   ► favorite proprietary type of format, maybe you don't really like Mac stories, maybe you

00:15:17 ◼   ► don't really like what you do, so I'm fine with losing you as a reader, honestly. So

00:15:21 ◼   ► I just want to make sure that the website works fast and causes no technical issues

00:15:28 ◼   ► for us, and really I gotta invest my time and resources where the people are. Therefore,

00:15:35 ◼   ► it makes the most sense for us to get rid of this integration. We tested it for a couple

00:15:39 ◼   ► of years, didn't really work out, and it's fine. We'll go back to... You'll still be

00:15:43 ◼   ► able to find, in theory, Mac stories in Apple News, but it'll just be the standard RSS-powered

00:15:50 ◼   ► look for blogs who have a basic Apple News channel. That's it.

00:15:55 ◼   ► OK, so you'll be able to still get the stuff, but it's not going to have all the fancy formatting

00:15:59 ◼   ► effectively.

00:16:00 ◼   ► Which is not that fancy, really.

00:16:02 ◼   ► That's true.

00:16:03 ◼   ► I mean, Mac Stories has a full text RSS feed anyway.

00:16:07 ◼   ► It's not like if we go back to RSS in Apple News, you will get less content.

00:16:14 ◼   ► You still get the full text.

00:16:15 ◼   ► You still get the images.

00:16:17 ◼   ► I guess you won't get some fancy animations and, I don't know, the ability to change.

00:16:22 ◼   ► I mean, yeah, you will still be able to change the font size.

00:16:24 ◼   ► Yeah, okay. You're not doing the animations though, are you?

00:16:27 ◼   ► No, we're not. So really, what we were getting were like the sections,

00:16:33 ◼   ► like there were some special formatting for like pull quotes and that kind of stuff,

00:16:37 ◼   ► but really it's not worth it. Honestly, I don't even know why I really wanted to test this,

00:16:41 ◼   ► because I guess I wanted to give it a fair shot and at the time it seemed like it was going to be

00:16:46 ◼   ► a big deal. Turns out my feeling on these proprietary platforms is always correct and I

00:16:51 ◼   ► I should always listen to myself. These things never work out. So yeah, going back to RSS.

00:16:58 ◼   ► Good old trusted RSS.

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00:18:22 ◼   ► - I have some really important real-time follow-up, guys.

00:18:25 ◼   ► And I guess this is a thing that will follow us

00:18:27 ◼   ► throughout today's episode.

00:18:30 ◼   ► So Apple just released the betas of iOS 13.4,

00:18:34 ◼   ► iPadOS 13.4, Xcode 11.4.

00:18:37 ◼   ► - Oh, it's my favorite.

00:18:38 ◼   ► - And watchOS and Mac, well, hold on.

00:18:40 ◼   ► I mentioned it for a reason.

00:18:42 ◼   ► So on iOS, it looks like folder sharing is back

00:18:46 ◼   ► with iCloud drive.

00:18:47 ◼   ► - That will last for another 0.1 beta.

00:18:50 ◼   ► - File pinning is not.

00:18:53 ◼   ► So you can still, you can now share a folder.

00:18:56 ◼   ► You can still not pin files to the top of a folder.

00:19:01 ◼   ► - Over the weekend, a friend of the show,

00:19:04 ◼   ► brother of the show really, John Voorhees,

00:19:07 ◼   ► sent us a screenshot

00:19:10 ◼   ► of a file name called test36,520.txt.

00:19:19 ◼   ► This was something that he said to us had been replicating.

00:19:24 ◼   ► A file had been replicating, and it was up to iteration 36,520.

00:19:30 ◼   ► This was a file that was a test document in a shared folder

00:19:35 ◼   ► that him and Federico have in iCloud Drive,

00:19:37 ◼   ► and he just randomly caught it.

00:19:39 ◼   ► So that was the state of my drive over the summer, that for some reason this file had

00:19:46 ◼   ► replicated itself only on June 12th, 36,000 times.

00:19:50 ◼   ► So hoping they're testing it strong over there.

00:19:53 ◼   ► I bet it's John's fault.

00:19:55 ◼   ► It's always John's fault.

00:19:56 ◼   ► John has the weirdest bugs of anyone I've ever met.

00:20:01 ◼   ► Right?

00:20:02 ◼   ► Go figure.

00:20:03 ◼   ► Do you remember the thing?

00:20:04 ◼   ► to myself thinking about the shopping list problem that he had.

00:20:09 ◼   ► Oh my god.

00:20:14 ◼   ► I think about it a lot. I actually can't remember the last time I laughed so hard. I will find

00:20:21 ◼   ► this and put it in the show notes. I will also provide real-time follow-up once I have

00:20:27 ◼   ► found this and then I will read the shopping grocery list. But yeah, okay.

00:20:33 ◼   ► - Okay, so as I was saying,

00:20:35 ◼   ► there's a big news related to Xcode 11.4.

00:20:40 ◼   ► Coming directly from really friend of the show,

00:20:44 ◼   ► Steve Trout and Smith,

00:20:46 ◼   ► developers can now create a universal purchase

00:20:50 ◼   ► for Mac and iOS apps.

00:20:53 ◼   ► One purchase, both the Mac app and the iOS app together.

00:20:57 ◼   ► - That seems early.

00:20:59 ◼   ► That was supposed to come out in two years, I believe,

00:21:04 ◼   ► in the Catalyst roadmap.

00:21:06 ◼   ► It was not supposed to come out now.

00:21:08 ◼   ► So if you have a Mac Catalyst app,

00:21:11 ◼   ► you can now, in Xcode 11.4,

00:21:14 ◼   ► you can mark it as a universal purchase

00:21:18 ◼   ► and you can distribute it as a universal purchase

00:21:20 ◼   ► so that you can buy an app once.

00:21:24 ◼   ► So you buy it on the iPhone, and if it's universal,

00:21:26 ◼   ► you get it on the iPad and you get it on the Mac.

00:21:29 ◼   ► That is big news if you use Catalyst.

00:21:32 ◼   ► And again, in the original report from Gorman

00:21:36 ◼   ► back when Catalyst was called Marzipan,

00:21:39 ◼   ► I believe this was supposed to be a 2021 feature.

00:21:41 ◼   ► Yeah, so.

00:21:44 ◼   ► - This, it just doesn't really make sense

00:21:48 ◼   ► as to why you would do this now.

00:21:54 ◼   ► It's a pretty big burn if you're, you know, you bought a Mac app separately

00:21:58 ◼   ► already because this stuff's only been out for what is it, like four or five

00:22:01 ◼   ► months. But maybe they're just not happy with how little action there's been.

00:22:07 ◼   ► Or maybe they've heard from developers saying this is holding us up.

00:22:10 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:22:11 ◼   ► This is one of those things that's funny to me of like, why would this hold

00:22:17 ◼   ► people up? Like, do you think that there are that many developers that are

00:22:22 ◼   ► like, oh, I can't do this because of my customers have to pay again.

00:22:25 ◼   ► So I won't even think about it.

00:22:26 ◼   ► I mean, I think that most developers actually want the opposite.

00:22:30 ◼   ► I don't know. I'm just kind of.

00:22:31 ◼   ► This that's what I'm thinking, right? Which is it's strange to me.

00:22:35 ◼   ► I assume some people would, especially subscription apps.

00:22:40 ◼   ► Right. Right. Because that's that's a bit more of a problem I would expect.

00:22:45 ◼   ► Which is the majority of or if it's not the majority of apps is definitely where things are going.

00:22:50 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know. It is early. And why would this be in a beta point release?

00:22:57 ◼   ► Why not wait at least until June? Even if you're going to be early and have it at

00:23:01 ◼   ► WWC where you can talk to developers about it, it seems very odd that it's just kind of lumped in with these other changes.

00:23:07 ◼   ► It's enabled by default for new MANT catalyst apps.

00:23:11 ◼   ► That's wild.

00:23:12 ◼   ► Yeah, it's enabled by default for catalyst. I don't think you have to use catalyst.

00:23:16 ◼   ► I think it's enabled by default for those though, which makes sense

00:23:19 ◼   ► because if you have a catalyst app, it's also very likely that you have an

00:23:22 ◼   ► iPhone and iPad version. Right.

00:23:24 ◼   ► Not many people are like Steve John Smith who wrote a Solitaire app

00:23:27 ◼   ► in Catalyst without an iPhone version.

00:23:30 ◼   ► But this is interesting, right?

00:23:32 ◼   ► Because I know you were saying this, but I'm reading it again myself.

00:23:34 ◼   ► Like some of the text talks about just Mac OS app,

00:23:38 ◼   ► like not even Catalyst.

00:23:42 ◼   ► So, I mean, we don't notice, right?

00:23:44 ◼   ► because we're just like reading this it's happening right now but it seems

00:23:47 ◼   ► like potentially you may be able to just have a Mac app with a universal purchase

00:23:53 ◼   ► now which is fascinating. As long as you use like the same bundle ID even if you don't

00:24:00 ◼   ► use catalyst say for example I'm just imagining things here but like the icon

00:24:05 ◼   ► factory folks for Twitterrific on the Mac which is a standard AppKit app in

00:24:09 ◼   ► theory and again in theory they should be able to offer a single universal

00:24:14 ◼   ► And I know that maybe the icon factory folks do not like universal apps, but to prove a

00:24:19 ◼   ► point.

00:24:20 ◼   ► Like even if you have a standard Mac app, you should be able to have a universal purchase

00:24:24 ◼   ► that you buy once and effectively it runs everywhere.

00:24:28 ◼   ► Which is really one of the big features that we were, you know, two years ago and last

00:24:34 ◼   ► year we thought, oh yeah, Catalyst is going to enable this.

00:24:37 ◼   ► And eventually Apple platforms are going down this road of a single purchase and it runs

00:24:42 ◼   ► everywhere.

00:24:43 ◼   ► And now the fact that you may not have to use Keralist even, it makes it all the more

00:24:47 ◼   ► interesting to me. Because like, yeah, you can use Keralist and you can sort of kick

00:24:51 ◼   ► start your app by, you know, translating it from the iPad. But also if you want to go

00:24:57 ◼   ► to the traditional development route on the Mac, you can still offer a universal purchase

00:25:02 ◼   ► with the, with the, with this new feature, which is like, and in the, like, not even

00:25:08 ◼   ► to me this feels like a WWDC announcement but instead it's a February feature release

00:25:15 ◼   ► Robert, here's my thinking. To the WWDC audience, would this be positive news?

00:25:22 ◼   ► I don't know if it would be, right? Like maybe you wouldn't want this to that crowd?

00:25:30 ◼   ► I don't know if this is positive. You know what I mean?

00:25:33 ◼   ► like because I feel like a lot of that crowd I think understandably unhappy

00:25:39 ◼   ► with the fact that they don't have a lot of options to get people to give them

00:25:47 ◼   ► money and this is removing another option and or setting another precedent

00:25:55 ◼   ► which is that all apps should be one purchase. Clearly this is Apple trying

00:26:03 ◼   ► another way to convince people to move to the subscription route, right? That

00:26:08 ◼   ► like we think that all apps should be one app and then people give you money

00:26:13 ◼   ► every month and like if they're trying to set another precedent of bundling

00:26:16 ◼   ► them all together it pushes people down that route which I think ultimately is

00:26:21 ◼   ► probably the the right way to move a lot of software potentially like we've

00:26:26 ◼   ► spoken about this in the past right but I mean we've all seen what's been

00:26:30 ◼   ► happening over the last couple of weeks of fantastical so like this does not

00:26:34 ◼   ► seem like a good message for a lot of especially independent iOS app

00:26:40 ◼   ► developers I feel like and I would be keen to know via Twitter or whatever

00:26:46 ◼   ► like if people if developers agree or disagree with me

00:26:49 ◼   ► But I don't know if this would be like slam dunk good news at WWDC

00:26:54 ◼   ► I don't think it necessarily means that Apple wants to incentivize

00:26:59 ◼   ► Subscriptions. I think it means that Apple

00:27:02 ◼   ► Thinks of apps as a single thing, right?

00:27:06 ◼   ► But my kind of I think really the point I was trying to make is like what they are not doing is saying

00:27:12 ◼   ► that app should be put separate purchases, right? Like basically however you want to take it

00:27:17 ◼   ► It's not good news if that's your thinking. Right. There. Yes, I agree

00:27:21 ◼   ► They are moving away from the idea of oh you purchase the app on the iPhone

00:27:25 ◼   ► Then you purchase the app on the iPad then you buy it on the Mac. No you buy it once

00:27:29 ◼   ► I mean moving away that's gone. That time is gone

00:27:32 ◼   ► That time was effectively gone. But now this makes it even more official

00:27:38 ◼   ► I guess like that mindset is no more now what it means that developers need to adjust like

00:27:46 ◼   ► Either you use a subscription model or you make your apps more expensive or you make your in-app purchases more expensive or you

00:27:53 ◼   ► Split features into multiple in-app purchases, which is like multiple tiers

00:27:58 ◼   ► Which is something that I've also started to see lately like multiple versions of paid features

00:28:03 ◼   ► I don't think it necessarily means that Apple wants you to use a subscription

00:28:07 ◼   ► I think it means they don't want you to sell different versions of the same app anymore.

00:28:13 ◼   ► This is big news, honestly.

00:28:15 ◼   ► I was not expecting it...

00:28:18 ◼   ► Like, I was expecting this to be a WWDC feature.

00:28:21 ◼   ► I guess it makes more sense to do it now.

00:28:23 ◼   ► Right. But WWDC featured two years away, right?

00:28:28 ◼   ► Because the thinking was...

00:28:29 ◼   ► It's interesting, right?

00:28:30 ◼   ► If we go back to the original report, which so far has turned out to be correct, from Mark Gurman,

00:28:35 ◼   ► about what we called marzipan then and everyone said no Mark Gurman you're

00:28:39 ◼   ► wrong but he wasn't wrong was the thinking that it would be iPad to Mac

00:28:45 ◼   ► first then the year after would be iPhone. iPhone to Mac. Also going into the

00:28:52 ◼   ► Mac and then the year after that would be Universal Apps. Now there is a

00:28:57 ◼   ► possibility right that's that this has all changed anyway because of SwiftUI

00:29:02 ◼   ► which may have not been known by Mark Gurman's sources, right?

00:29:07 ◼   ► But what we ended up finding out after,

00:29:10 ◼   ► which is the contrasting thinking from people like John Gruber,

00:29:13 ◼   ► is that this declarative UI approach would be coming up.

00:29:16 ◼   ► So he knew about Swift UI,

00:29:18 ◼   ► but Mark Gurman knew about Catalyst.

00:29:22 ◼   ► Those two things didn't go together because those two things don't go together.

00:29:26 ◼   ► They were set to seem to be separate paths being taken by Apple.

00:29:30 ◼   ► and then one ended up coming quicker than it was expected.

00:29:34 ◼   ► But let's just assume that like, even in a SwiftUI world,

00:29:37 ◼   ► you would still want this universal app purchase thing,

00:29:40 ◼   ► right, that still exists because in theory,

00:29:44 ◼   ► you would be making applications for all systems.

00:29:47 ◼   ► But nevertheless, like SwiftUI still feels like

00:29:50 ◼   ► a long way away, I feel like, right?

00:29:53 ◼   ► Like, I'm not wrong in thinking that,

00:29:55 ◼   ► that still feels like multiple years into the future

00:29:59 ◼   ► at this point, unless they surprise us.

00:30:02 ◼   ► But I think that it maybe makes more sense

00:30:07 ◼   ► that the iPhone stuff to the Mac--

00:30:10 ◼   ► but maybe they're just not doing that.

00:30:11 ◼   ► Maybe iPhone catalysts just will never exist now, right?

00:30:15 ◼   ► Like iPhone apps on the Mac, maybe that's

00:30:17 ◼   ► just never going to be a thing.

00:30:19 ◼   ► I don't know, I'm really curious to see now

00:30:21 ◼   ► how developers react to this.

00:30:23 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:30:25 ◼   ► I think it's great for new developers.

00:30:28 ◼   ► like if you're making new apps, now you

00:30:31 ◼   ► can address all platforms all at once,

00:30:33 ◼   ► and you can come up with your own new business model now.

00:30:37 ◼   ► But if you're an existing developer,

00:30:40 ◼   ► you've got to ask yourself some questions of like,

00:30:42 ◼   ► how do we want to do this moving forward?

00:30:45 ◼   ► Or what's the pricing model that we should follow now?

00:30:48 ◼   ► What do people expect?

00:30:50 ◼   ► Because then it all comes down to people's expectations.

00:30:53 ◼   ► We've seen how over the years, the idea

00:30:56 ◼   ► of offering separate iPhone and iPad versions, for example, of an app, it slowly started

00:31:02 ◼   ► to fade and now I guess The Things is the last really popular app that still comes with

00:31:09 ◼   ► separate iPhone and iPad versions, because now everybody expects to have a universal

00:31:13 ◼   ► version. And really when you think about it, from an ecosystem point of view, it makes

00:31:18 ◼   ► so much more sense to have a universal binary. Like, for example, take a look at features

00:31:23 ◼   ► like shortcuts. If you have things on the iPhone and you want to use shortcuts for things

00:31:29 ◼   ► for iPhone, those shortcuts will not work on the iPad, because you need things for the

00:31:34 ◼   ► iPad. And even if you do have things on the iPad, you've got to set up the shortcuts again,

00:31:39 ◼   ► because technically it is a different app. So I think the more we move forward with this

00:31:46 ◼   ► idea of Apple platforms have feature parity everywhere, it makes so much more sense to

00:31:52 ◼   ► to have app parity everywhere as well.

00:31:55 ◼   ► And with the universal portraits, you can do that.

00:31:58 ◼   ► Now, is it great for indie developers?

00:32:01 ◼   ► I don't, I, you know, I think life finds a way, you know,

00:32:07 ◼   ► and developers can figure it out.

00:32:08 ◼   ► I wanna be optimistic.

00:32:09 ◼   ► I don't wanna say, "Oh, this spells the final, you know,

00:32:12 ◼   ► this is the doom of the indie developer on iOS,"

00:32:15 ◼   ► because now we're being forced

00:32:16 ◼   ► to release universal apps everywhere.

00:32:20 ◼   ► And I think, you know, I've been writing app reviews for 10 years and new apps are still coming out.

00:32:27 ◼   ► New, great new indie apps are still coming out.

00:32:29 ◼   ► I think if you keep up with the times, you can still, you know, this is a much bigger discussion.

00:32:35 ◼   ► But yeah, I think this is big news and I want to see the repercussions of this.

00:32:39 ◼   ► Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about Fantastical, you know, I think it's just like an interesting barometer right now of the way that people feel about stuff.

00:32:48 ◼   ► It's kind of a fascinating thing to watch unfold.

00:32:51 ◼   ► But if they were launching that application,

00:32:58 ◼   ► if this was Fantastic R 1.0 and they did what they did,

00:33:04 ◼   ► it would have been great, right?

00:33:07 ◼   ► Here's a basic calendar app and you get pro features,

00:33:09 ◼   ► you pay a subscription, it's on all platforms.

00:33:11 ◼   ► That's kind of the way applications like that

00:33:15 ◼   ► launch now.

00:33:16 ◼   ► I always come back to it, but I think of Timery, right?

00:33:19 ◼   ► Basic product, but you can pay more and get more features.

00:33:24 ◼   ► And it launches on me.

00:33:26 ◼   ► I really wish they had a Mac app, and I hope that they're working on that.

00:33:29 ◼   ► But, you know, you get it on iPad, you get it on iPhone,

00:33:33 ◼   ► and it's like this is an app and it seems like that's turning into, I hope,

00:33:36 ◼   ► like an actual business for the developer, because they seem to update it

00:33:39 ◼   ► frequently enough that would indicate that it's doing pretty well for them.

00:33:43 ◼   ► So, you know, like if Fantastic Hour 1.0 came about today, like it just wouldn't be the same conversation

00:33:49 ◼   ► that has been being had over the last couple of weeks. But I also maintain my kind of position

00:33:56 ◼   ► on the fact that like this is probably the only way for them to go. Like the writing's on the wall

00:34:01 ◼   ► whether they like it or not with things like this, right? Like in a couple of years time there was

00:34:08 ◼   ► not going to be a business where they could have sell new versions of the application anyway because

00:34:12 ◼   ► because they would have to sell two or three separate apps, right?

00:34:16 ◼   ► To make an upgrade, to make money.

00:34:19 ◼   ► So they would have to have created new apps that they would sell.

00:34:22 ◼   ► Then it would not only just be the complaint of,

00:34:25 ◼   ► "Why are you making me buy new applications?"

00:34:28 ◼   ► or "Why are you deprecating my application?"

00:34:31 ◼   ► or "Why will you no longer support my application?"

00:34:33 ◼   ► which is what always happens when developers have created new versions, right?

00:34:38 ◼   ► And they create a new app.

00:34:40 ◼   ► But it's also going to be, why are you charging me for a separate Mac app as well?

00:34:45 ◼   ► So like, you can see why some of these developers are pushed into the situation where they go

00:34:49 ◼   ► down a subscription route.

00:34:51 ◼   ► Because like, I kind of think of it as like a maze, right?

00:34:58 ◼   ► You know, like those outdoor mazes, like grass hedge mazes or whatever.

00:35:03 ◼   ► You kind of are walking down these pathways and they're being shut off for you.

00:35:08 ◼   ► So like you go down one and it's like Apple's closed up a pathway.

00:35:11 ◼   ► You go down another customer's closing down a pathway.

00:35:13 ◼   ► And so at this point, developers are like going through these mazes,

00:35:17 ◼   ► hoping they're going to find their way to profitability out the other side.

00:35:21 ◼   ► And it's just seeming like it is becoming increasingly more difficult to do it.

00:35:25 ◼   ► And this is just another one of those where it's like, oh, you wanted to make

00:35:29 ◼   ► a Mac app like a separate Mac app.

00:35:31 ◼   ► Well, it has to be free now.

00:35:34 ◼   ► you know, not like "has to be" but like the idea being "it should be".

00:35:39 ◼   ► Well, yeah, I guess you should take it into consideration. It's a very different mindset

00:35:43 ◼   ► now, right? Because when we started, you know, when I started Max Stories, when you guys

00:35:47 ◼   ► started doing podcasts, it was a very different mindset on the App Store. Like, each app was

00:35:52 ◼   ► its own thing, was its own purchase. Now, if you're starting out, or if you're an existing

00:35:57 ◼   ► developer and you want to rethink your business model, it's not anymore like that. It's more

00:36:04 ◼   ► of "I should price my apps", whether it's an in-app purchase or a paid-up front or a

00:36:10 ◼   ► subscription, accordingly to these changes. Like, maybe it shouldn't be $4.99 on the iPhone

00:36:17 ◼   ► and $10 on the iPad and $19 on the Mac. Maybe it should just be, I don't know, $15 everywhere.

00:36:26 ◼   ► And I know that if you add up the numbers, it sounds like you're making less money, but

00:36:33 ◼   ► also you may have a bigger market because of this, because of a universal app that runs

00:36:38 ◼   ► on all platforms.

00:36:39 ◼   ► You may have more users and therefore make up for the difference.

00:36:43 ◼   ► It's a very different approach, which I know that some long-time developers will not accept,

00:36:52 ◼   ► but this is what's happening.

00:36:54 ◼   ► I think from a user's perspective, it's what I like, it's what I want.

00:37:00 ◼   ► Like, yes, it totally makes sense.

00:37:02 ◼   ► I have a single app and it runs everywhere.

00:37:05 ◼   ► And then I don't know.

00:37:07 ◼   ► I guess I want to see what happens.

00:37:08 ◼   ► I think the next few months will be interesting.

00:37:10 ◼   ► I think we'll see some existing apps start taking advantage of this.

00:37:14 ◼   ► By the way, also, additional real-time follow-up, Michael, you will be happy to hear this, you

00:37:19 ◼   ► you will be able to bundle iOS, iPadOS, macOS, and drum roll,

00:37:24 ◼   ► tvOS apps in a single purchase.

00:37:27 ◼   ► - I love it when my platform of choice receives information.

00:37:31 ◼   ► - And these will be available starting March, 2020.

00:37:36 ◼   ► So it looks like these new versions of all the OSs

00:37:40 ◼   ► are coming out next month.

00:37:41 ◼   ► And by next month you will be able to distribute iOS,

00:37:44 ◼   ► iPadOS, macOS, and tvOS versions of your app

00:37:47 ◼   ► as a universal purchase.

00:37:48 ◼   ► I definitely see this as like, I know it's super early to do it,

00:37:52 ◼   ► but you know there's like every, every little while there's like a,

00:37:55 ◼   ► Oh and watch us too. Sorry.

00:37:57 ◼   ► There is like a thing where you're like clearing the decks before WWDC,

00:38:02 ◼   ► you know, like you have these stories, just want to get them out.

00:38:06 ◼   ► This isn't exactly the same, but this is 100% a WWDC announcement,

00:38:11 ◼   ► right? Like through and through, this is a big change to developers.

00:38:16 ◼   ► We need to have some sessions.

00:38:17 ◼   ► But like I genuinely look at this and I'm like,

00:38:20 ◼   ► I think that this is unpopular and they want to get it out and they want to put

00:38:25 ◼   ► it in front of people and let people calm down before WWDC.

00:38:30 ◼   ► What was the thing that happened? Was it the price,

00:38:33 ◼   ► the subscription price changes?

00:38:34 ◼   ► Yes, it was just before WWDC.

00:38:36 ◼   ► So they, I mean that, that was like a week before, right? Like cause something,

00:38:40 ◼   ► The Verge had like a big article and it was really cool and they spoke to

00:38:43 ◼   ► and stuff. But that was like, get it out now, let's not completely upend WWDC this year.

00:38:50 ◼   ► And I think this is maybe a similar-ish type thing. Maybe? I don't know. But like, this

00:38:56 ◼   ► could have at least been mentioned at the last WWDC, right? But it seems like a weird

00:39:01 ◼   ► thing to do it in March. Like it's just like very strange. And to like, oh, here's just

00:39:08 ◼   ► an update or update to Xcode. By the way, in the new features, it's a completely different

00:39:13 ◼   ► business model for you. Good luck, right? So it seems like a curious thing and/or if

00:39:22 ◼   ► something like SwiftUI is closer to being done than we expect and they want to spend

00:39:25 ◼   ► more time talking about that so they're getting stuff like this out of the way. But this is

00:39:29 ◼   ► just like a really weird thing to do now.

00:39:33 ◼   ► Strange. Very strange. All the way around.

00:39:36 ◼   ► Can I ask you both a quick question about 13.4 because we really moved past shared folders

00:39:42 ◼   ► quickly?

00:39:43 ◼   ► I have it on my phone so ask away.

00:39:45 ◼   ► I'm running it right now.

00:39:47 ◼   ► It's more of a conceptual question.

00:39:51 ◼   ► If this comes out in iOS 13.4, you gonna use it?

00:39:56 ◼   ► Because I don't want to.

00:39:58 ◼   ► No I don't want to switch from Dropbox.

00:40:00 ◼   ► I know my Dropbox shares folders work very well.

00:40:04 ◼   ► Like because I've been doing this for over 10 years, right?

00:40:09 ◼   ► Like I know that they work very, very well indeed.

00:40:14 ◼   ► I don't know if I feel like that iCloud drive is going

00:40:19 ◼   ► to work very, very well indeed immediately.

00:40:22 ◼   ► And this is nothing on Apple's development team,

00:40:26 ◼   ► But we're just talking about like tenure here really, right?

00:40:32 ◼   ► Like Dropbox know how to do this.

00:40:33 ◼   ► Dropbox's entire business is built on reliable syncing.

00:40:37 ◼   ► And even more so than ever.

00:40:40 ◼   ► Amongst teams, right?

00:40:42 ◼   ► So like their shared syncing system has to be rock solid

00:40:47 ◼   ► because that's all they have as a company now.

00:40:49 ◼   ► Like they make the majority of their money with the Dropbox

00:40:52 ◼   ► business tools which relies on multiple people sharing files and I just don't know how reliable

00:41:01 ◼   ► iCloud drive sharing folders will be immediately because it just it's a new thing right so I don't

00:41:10 ◼   ► know under what circumstances I would trust any like real sensitive important information to

00:41:20 ◼   ► right now?

00:41:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, I am not gonna use it right away

00:41:25 ◼   ► for production purposes,

00:41:26 ◼   ► especially because Dropbox works really well.

00:41:30 ◼   ► And it's got so many more features that go beyond

00:41:33 ◼   ► shared folders, file requests,

00:41:37 ◼   ► and being able to restore deleted files

00:41:41 ◼   ► with an actual UI within Dropbox,

00:41:43 ◼   ► and to browse versions of files within Dropbox.

00:41:46 ◼   ► The Files app still has about 30% of the features

00:41:51 ◼   ► that I want from a modern cloud-based file manager, you know?

00:41:55 ◼   ► So I could use it for something simple.

00:41:58 ◼   ► And by something simple, I mean maybe sometimes,

00:42:00 ◼   ► like for example, just now, just a few minutes ago,

00:42:04 ◼   ► I needed to share a few SVG files with Silvia.

00:42:08 ◼   ► And the easiest way for me was, because Silvia doesn't,

00:42:12 ◼   ► We don't share like a Dropbox workflow or anything.

00:42:16 ◼   ► We don't have a shared folder.

00:42:19 ◼   ► So the easiest way for me to send those files

00:42:21 ◼   ► was to send them an email, the old fashioned way.

00:42:23 ◼   ► But really I could imagine a scenario where like,

00:42:27 ◼   ► for these, like almost throw away files.

00:42:30 ◼   ► I just throw them in a folder in iCloud drive,

00:42:32 ◼   ► in the finder or in the files app.

00:42:34 ◼   ► And I just share that real quick with a link.

00:42:37 ◼   ► And I send that to Sylvia and we're done.

00:42:39 ◼   ► I wouldn't use it for production purposes.

00:42:41 ◼   ► And by "production" I mean like where I store the drafts for my articles that other people can read,

00:42:48 ◼   ► or to share audio files for podcasts.

00:42:51 ◼   ► You know, I wouldn't do that. At least not now.

00:42:54 ◼   ► Maybe in a few years if it works really well, but for now I'm sticking with Dropbox.

00:42:57 ◼   ► That said, I think there's going to be some convenience to have this feature

00:43:01 ◼   ► for those quick files that you want to share with somebody, but you don't want to put them in your Dropbox.

00:43:06 ◼   ► So maybe I'm gonna say "personal files" for personal use.

00:43:10 ◼   ► I sort of see the utility of that, but not for professional uses.

00:43:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I just can't think of anybody that I need to share files with that I don't already share a Dropbox folder with.

00:43:20 ◼   ► Right.

00:43:21 ◼   ► Right? Like, we just put... or otherwise, just airdrop them?

00:43:27 ◼   ► Yeah, but airdrop... see, that's my issue. Airdrop does weird things depending on the file type that you're sharing.

00:43:33 ◼   ► Sometimes I want to share a PNG, for example, with Silvia.

00:43:38 ◼   ► But if you share a PNG with AirDrop, it gets saved into Photos.

00:43:41 ◼   ► And Photos does not work well with PNG files because it gets rid of the transparency of those files.

00:43:46 ◼   ► And there's no way for me to share a PNG and for Sylvia to say via AirDrop,

00:43:51 ◼   ► "OK, yes, receive this PNG file, but please save it into the Files app, save it into iCloud Drive, not into Photos."

00:43:57 ◼   ► Oh, it's so bad. Like, you know, or like the UI when you get like a PDF and it's like,

00:44:02 ◼   ► Here's every single app on your system in a completely unsorted list that can accept this folder.

00:44:08 ◼   ► Which one do you want it to go into?

00:44:09 ◼   ► And like my thing is none of these, like I want it to be somewhere else, right?

00:44:14 ◼   ► Or like somebody sends you a zip folder and it's like, I don't know, like why do I,

00:44:19 ◼   ► why do you want me to put it in like Google Drive?

00:44:21 ◼   ► No, I just want to like open, just open the folder because I don't even want to save the folder.

00:44:26 ◼   ► I just want something from inside of the folder.

00:44:29 ◼   ► It's just like, what is like, this is a, I hate that UI.

00:44:33 ◼   ► It's so bad.

00:44:34 ◼   ► It's like, imagine, imagine if there was like a system setting to set defaults.

00:44:39 ◼   ► Hey, hold on.

00:44:41 ◼   ► You're just crazy talk.

00:44:43 ◼   ► Whoa.

00:44:44 ◼   ► What is that?

00:44:46 ◼   ► I mean, I just had something like this today where somebody sent me a, a PDF, but

00:44:52 ◼   ► for some reason it didn't have like the .pdf file extension and I opened it on my

00:44:58 ◼   ► iPhone. It's just like, I can't open this. And I went to my Mac and it was like,

00:45:01 ◼   ► immediately opened in preview and it's like, yep. Okay.

00:45:04 ◼   ► Yeah. I have no real desire to move away from Dropbox either.

00:45:08 ◼   ► I've got my whole infrastructure in there and the sharing is really good.

00:45:13 ◼   ► And it lets you share things with people who aren't iCloud users. Right.

00:45:17 ◼   ► And the world is bigger than just people with iCloud space who pay for iCloud

00:45:22 ◼   ► space. So I don't really see this changing anything about the way that I work.

00:45:26 ◼   ► Yeah. And it's like all of the features, like I use the, um,

00:45:29 ◼   ► I use selective sync on some machines and that new,

00:45:32 ◼   ► I can't even remember what it's called. It was called project infinite, right?

00:45:36 ◼   ► Like where you just have nothing downloaded and you just choose what you want

00:45:40 ◼   ► downloaded. And that actually works really well.

00:45:43 ◼   ► Does it still do the thing where if you're, so I,

00:45:46 ◼   ► I had that on for a little while and then I'd go to like an export something out

00:45:49 ◼   ► of logic to Dropbox and it would basically lock up the machine until it had

00:45:54 ◼   ► figure out what was in that folder. It's like, come on, just, just do it.

00:45:59 ◼   ► I've never done what you just explained.

00:46:02 ◼   ► But like there is things that were like, if I open, if I like,

00:46:05 ◼   ► say I'm in pixelmator and I want to drag in an image,

00:46:08 ◼   ► it would just like wait for a second while it's down.

00:46:10 ◼   ► Cause it's like, what else is it going to do?

00:46:12 ◼   ► But they're all for me like expected weights.

00:46:15 ◼   ► Yeah. Okay. You know, like if, if I'm,

00:46:17 ◼   ► we fall in a preview this file and I drag an audio file into forecast on my Mac

00:46:22 ◼   ► mini or whatever. Right. Like I know it's going to take the time until it

00:46:26 ◼   ► downloads this file first but I've never noticed when oh you know like I've saved

00:46:31 ◼   ► things to folders that aren't downloaded and it hasn't been a problem. Cool maybe

00:46:36 ◼   ► it's improved I mean I used it when it first rolled out and and now it's not an

00:46:39 ◼   ► issue because I have a giant SSD in my in my tower but it is a cool feature and

00:46:45 ◼   ► yeah I just my Dropbox is just like too large to install on every machine like I

00:46:50 ◼   ► don't want it right like on all my machines because it would just be madness

00:46:54 ◼   ► right like I'm saving so much stuff in there now like most of except for my

00:46:59 ◼   ► iMac Pro I think my Dropbox account now is larger than any SSD I have right like

00:47:07 ◼   ► it's more than I have on it's definitely more than I have on iMac Pro it might be

00:47:12 ◼   ► more than I have in the Mac Mini even because I keep a lot of stuff in there

00:47:16 ◼   ► everything. I keep everything in there. Um, but it's all backed up. Don't worry.

00:47:22 ◼   ► I use back blaze and that's fine. So it's great.

00:47:25 ◼   ► But it is good to see Apple returning to its list of features from iOS 13 that this is

00:47:30 ◼   ► a feature they should have. Yeah. Right. And it should be great. And I'm, and I think that

00:47:35 ◼   ► they like can make it great because they've had these problems in the past, right? Like

00:47:41 ◼   ► notes and reminders and stuff like that, which is things that were really unreliable and

00:47:46 ◼   ► they made them reliable. But like my point isn't that they can do this. I would just

00:47:51 ◼   ► not trust it immediately. But I am pleased that they didn't roll this one out until they're

00:47:57 ◼   ► comfortable with it. Because it would have been a disaster.

00:48:00 ◼   ► Yeah, this has to go well, right? You can't do this and people lose files or the sharing

00:48:07 ◼   ► spontaneously break or anything like that.

00:48:10 ◼   ► It's like in Notes, when you had the initial sharing in the new Notes app where you could

00:48:15 ◼   ► just share one note and that was kind of janky, but I gotta say where you can set up a folder

00:48:20 ◼   ► and just any note you create in there gets shared automatically, that's been really solid

00:48:25 ◼   ► for me.

00:48:26 ◼   ► Oh, I think I should do that, because I've been having just like... me and Adina have

00:48:30 ◼   ► this problem all the time, we share notes of each other, like single notes, and it shows

00:48:36 ◼   ► to her that I am on it, right? But I have never seen a note in my entire life.

00:48:41 ◼   ► Yeah, so what I did was I created a folder, same thing for myself and Mary, and we, I went through

00:48:48 ◼   ► and basically all the notes that we had individually shared, I put them all in that folder and told it,

00:48:52 ◼   ► "Share all of these." It's a little bit of work.

00:48:54 ◼   ► I'm going to do that.

00:48:55 ◼   ► But now if I create a new one, there's no song or dance. If it's in that folder,

00:48:59 ◼   ► it's automatically shared. And that gives me hope that maybe they have like folder sharing stuff,

00:49:04 ◼   ► figure it out. Like the code bases are probably totally different,

00:49:07 ◼   ► but like they got it working in one place. So I'm now optimistic about a second.

00:49:11 ◼   ► But let me ask you that.

00:49:12 ◼   ► Is it possible to see all of your notes at once if you use folders?

00:49:16 ◼   ► Yes. If you go up well on the, I'm just looking at the Mac. Uh,

00:49:20 ◼   ► if you go to the all iCloud section, you can see all in my case,

00:49:23 ◼   ► all 353 notes. Right. Okay. All my notes are in folders.

00:49:27 ◼   ► I have a two, four, six, eight, 10, 14,

00:49:33 ◼   ► like 20 something notebooks.

00:49:35 ◼   ► - Wow. - Or folders, I guess.

00:49:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, see, I don't have any folders.

00:49:38 ◼   ► - Oh my God, how do you live?

00:49:40 ◼   ► - Well, by searching, I search.

00:49:43 ◼   ► - Everything needs to live in a folder, Myke.

00:49:45 ◼   ► - No, it doesn't, that's not necessary.

00:49:47 ◼   ► It's funny, on my Mac, on my phone,

00:49:49 ◼   ► it says that it's folders,

00:49:51 ◼   ► so my note, sorry, is iCloud, right?

00:49:53 ◼   ► But on my Mac, it says MobileMe.

00:49:55 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:49:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's my default Notes account, MobileMe.

00:50:00 ◼   ► - How have you done that?

00:50:01 ◼   ► I don't know man, it's just what it is.

00:50:03 ◼   ► That's incredible.

00:50:04 ◼   ► I have additional real-time follow-up.

00:50:07 ◼   ► Okay.

00:50:08 ◼   ► This is a wild episode, we're like throwing the document away as we go, I love these ones.

00:50:12 ◼   ► There are no changes that I can see in shortcuts, no improvements to the notes, reminders, actions,

00:50:20 ◼   ► no design changes or fixes that I can see, because MusicBot still does not work from the sharesheet,

00:50:29 ◼   ► and I just tried to edit MusicBot by dragging an action around and the app crashed.

00:50:35 ◼   ► But like, look, you need to appreciate that that app, that that shortcut is not a good test

00:50:41 ◼   ► shortcut because it's like a billion actions. Or maybe it is a good test shortcut.

00:50:45 ◼   ► Okay, you know what I mean. It's like the most outlier-y outlier of like over a thousand actions

00:50:51 ◼   ► in a note or whatever, actions in a shortcut. It's not fair to the app, but sure, I get your point.

00:50:58 ◼   ► I've been building some real good shortcuts recently.

00:51:01 ◼   ► You showed some to me.

00:51:02 ◼   ► I'm so happy with myself.

00:51:04 ◼   ► They're all time tracking related, so like everyone's favorite type of shortcut.

00:51:08 ◼   ► But I'm really, I'm just like, I'm having a great time over here building shortcuts.

00:51:14 ◼   ► An additional real time follow up.

00:51:16 ◼   ► Oh my word.

00:51:18 ◼   ► There will be some unification of App Store categories across the iOS and Mac App Store.

00:51:25 ◼   ► You may say, well, that's boring, but I will bring your attention to something that is

00:51:30 ◼   ► very subtle for now.

00:51:31 ◼   ► I don't know if it's pointing at something new down the road, but there's a bullet point

00:51:38 ◼   ► in this Apple blog post that says you will be able to select the following categories

00:51:43 ◼   ► for iOS apps.

00:51:46 ◼   ► Graphics and design.

00:51:47 ◼   ► Well, I mean, OK.

00:51:48 ◼   ► And developer tools.

00:51:50 ◼   ► I mean, if the App Store is becoming a consistent layer across all of their platforms, these

00:51:55 ◼   ► moves make sense over time that you would want it to be as close to a similar experience

00:52:01 ◼   ► no matter where you are.

00:52:02 ◼   ► But developer tools on iOS is a peculiar thing if Xcode doesn't exist, like because it's

00:52:07 ◼   ► the most developed tool.

00:52:08 ◼   ► Well, maybe they'll stuff stuff like working copy or...

00:52:11 ◼   ► Sure, maybe it's just that.

00:52:13 ◼   ► Maybe it's just those two apps.

00:52:15 ◼   ► You click on it, it's just working copy.

00:52:17 ◼   ► It's like, well, coming later.

00:52:18 ◼   ► No, I mean working copy and Pythonista and JSON and Scriptable.

00:52:24 ◼   ► We're up to four now.

00:52:26 ◼   ► I mean, there's the, you know, CODIA and the folks who make CODIA have a new shader app for...

00:52:33 ◼   ► Yeah, there's a bunch of them.

00:52:34 ◼   ► It is not untrue that other developer applications exist, developer tools exist, but like, it is a...

00:52:43 ◼   ► You know it just it could add more to feel to the fire if that is your particular conspiracy theory fit theory flavor

00:52:50 ◼   ► Right that like the Xcode is coming to iOS. I really think wish we it's time for Xcode to come to the iPad

00:52:58 ◼   ► I think you're right. Mm-hmm real-time follow-up and then we're gonna do an ad because I love this document. This is crazy

00:53:05 ◼   ► With the public release of watch OS 6.2. You'll be able to offer in-app purchases directly in your watch OS apps

00:53:12 ◼   ► So users can get premium content, subscriptions and more right from their wrist.

00:53:17 ◼   ► Who asked for that one?

00:53:19 ◼   ► Anyone?

00:53:20 ◼   ► Can anybody raise their hand?

00:53:22 ◼   ► Honestly this feature was made for underscore.

00:53:25 ◼   ► More moons in GenevaMoon.

00:53:27 ◼   ► This is a lot of developer stuff for like a point release.

00:53:32 ◼   ► Maybe they're getting them all buttered up and then it's going to be bad news at WBC.

00:53:36 ◼   ► Bad news.

00:53:37 ◼   ► By the way, Xcode has been deprecated.

00:53:40 ◼   ► Welcome SwiftCode.

00:53:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:42 ◼   ► This is just weird.

00:53:44 ◼   ► This is just like a weird list of

00:53:46 ◼   ► stuff.

00:53:46 ◼   ► OK, we're going to take a break

00:53:48 ◼   ► because no, no, we need to take a

00:53:50 ◼   ► break because I didn't get to do a

00:53:51 ◼   ► real time follow up.

00:53:52 ◼   ► You can do it after this break.

00:53:53 ◼   ► Real time follow up.

00:53:54 ◼   ► Nine new Memoji sticker types.

00:53:56 ◼   ► Yes, we have seen those.

00:53:58 ◼   ► But no, but no one said it yet.

00:53:59 ◼   ► Well, I was waiting for the break.

00:54:01 ◼   ► Real time follow up.

00:54:03 ◼   ► Minor tweaks to the TV app.

00:54:05 ◼   ► You don't know how podcast

00:54:07 ◼   ► podcasting works.

00:54:09 ◼   ► That's true. Actually, you're

00:54:10 ◼   ► - You're supposed to take the break.

00:54:11 ◼   ► It's your company.

00:54:12 ◼   ► - All right, take the break.

00:54:13 ◼   ► - I'm not supposed to tell you this.

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00:55:56 ◼   ► Real time follow up. Steve Charles Smith is looking at a bunch of new APIs included with

00:56:02 ◼   ► the 13.4 on all platforms.

00:56:04 ◼   ► Couple of potentially interesting changes.

00:56:08 ◼   ► It seems like there's a new API for detecting

00:56:11 ◼   ► key up and key down events from a keyboard.

00:56:14 ◼   ► - That's good.

00:56:15 ◼   ► - So finally, and in theory,

00:56:17 ◼   ► this is supposed to work on iOS and Catalyst.

00:56:20 ◼   ► So for Catalyst, this would mean like proper gaming.

00:56:23 ◼   ► So, you know, if you wanna play a game,

00:56:26 ◼   ► Catalyst game from a keyboard,

00:56:27 ◼   ► key up and down events means you can now, you know,

00:56:31 ◼   ► use controls like standard WASD and that kind of stuff to play a game. And if this is correct,

00:56:38 ◼   ► and if this is true, we don't know yet, because literally the documentation just went up.

00:56:42 ◼   ► On iOS, maybe there's going to be potential for having shortcuts that do not require you

00:56:48 ◼   ► to hold down Command. Again, potentially good for gaming, but also for productivity apps,

00:56:54 ◼   ► maybe. The second one, again, another new API that Steve Chanten-Smith is looking at

00:57:00 ◼   ► right now. This is a good day to follow Steve on Twitter, by the way.

00:57:05 ◼   ► Any day is a good day to follow Steve Transmute.

00:57:07 ◼   ► Today, honestly, Steve is an excellent human being, so it's always a good day to follow

00:57:13 ◼   ► Steve. Today, if you're an Apple nerd, is an especially good one. New UI Datepicker

00:57:19 ◼   ► style. It's called the compact style, so maybe catalyst apps will be able to not have you

00:57:25 ◼   ► scroll a wheel.

00:57:26 ◼   ► That's the one called "Wheels". UiDate picker style wheels. So if you still want your wheels,

00:57:32 ◼   ► you can have them. Otherwise you can go to compact. There's no, as of yet, I'm sure everybody

00:57:37 ◼   ► under the show, Steve, will have an image for us. But as of right now, we don't know

00:57:44 ◼   ► what it looks like, but that would seem to indicate that Apple is in fact continuing

00:57:50 ◼   ► to do the work on Catalyst that has been asked for, which is good. This is good news, right?

00:57:57 ◼   ► And there's a bunch, very good news, and there's a bunch of other changes that Steve and other

00:58:03 ◼   ► developers in my timeline seem to be very excited about. Better keyboard integration

00:58:09 ◼   ► everywhere in general. So yeah, Steve says that somebody's listening on Catalyst and

00:58:15 ◼   ► doing more to bring UIKit from iOS to the Mac. So, it seems that the general reaction

00:58:23 ◼   ► so far in terms of catalyst changes for developers is good.

00:58:27 ◼   ► So we... I remember just a few weeks ago we were discussing here a new mic with JSON on

00:58:33 ◼   ► upgrade, like, where does Apple go from here with catalyst? Is it something that they're

00:58:38 ◼   ► just forgetting about because the future is with UI? We're actually getting a bunch of

00:58:43 ◼   ► updates now, in February.

00:58:45 ◼   ► Now, is it a good sign? Does it mean that SwiftUI is not the future?

00:58:49 ◼   ► I think it's a good sign. I still believe that SwiftUI is the future,

00:58:53 ◼   ► but maybe Apple is not ready to commit to just one future yet.

00:58:58 ◼   ► SwiftUI is a lot, right? Because for a lot of developers, you are asking them to learn

00:59:03 ◼   ► a new language, and that's going to take time. So, you know, like, developers that have been,

00:59:10 ◼   ► who have not yet gone over to join the Swift world,

00:59:14 ◼   ► like, it's gonna take some time for them, I think.

00:59:17 ◼   ► So, I think it's a lot to ask for. This is definitely an easier thing to begin with.

00:59:23 ◼   ► Yeah, and I think, honestly, at this point, that's it for the real-time follow-up.

00:59:27 ◼   ► Well, for now...

00:59:28 ◼   ► For now.

00:59:29 ◼   ► Should we go back to regular follow-up?

00:59:32 ◼   ► It was beautiful until it was over, but the real-time follow-up...

00:59:37 ◼   ► Second episode of ATP over here. We haven't finished follow-up yet.

00:59:40 ◼   ► I'm not familiar with their work.

00:59:42 ◼   ► That's a tennis competition.

00:59:43 ◼   ► Federico, you had some iPad Pro problems.

00:59:49 ◼   ► Oh yeah, I broke my iPad last week.

00:59:53 ◼   ► That's good news.

00:59:54 ◼   ► I shattered my iPad.

00:59:57 ◼   ► You finally decided to switch to a real computer, right?

00:59:59 ◼   ► So you just broke it over your knee.

01:00:01 ◼   ► I am now using a Microsoft Surface.

01:00:05 ◼   ► Oh nice!

01:00:06 ◼   ► The pro one, which I heard was good.

01:00:08 ◼   ► Which one? The X86 one or the ARM one, which is actually called X.

01:00:13 ◼   ► Oh, OK, cool.

01:00:15 ◼   ► The good one. Yeah, yeah. I'm all about.

01:00:17 ◼   ► Real time follow up.

01:00:18 ◼   ► Really? Again?

01:00:19 ◼   ► iOS 13.4 features a new mail toolbar.

01:00:22 ◼   ► Of course it does.

01:00:25 ◼   ► Fixing the... I for the first time yesterday opened mail on iOS 13.

01:00:31 ◼   ► Oh yeah, look at that. It's new.

01:00:33 ◼   ► because I wanted to print a like I wanted to get a PDF of a mail because it was just

01:00:39 ◼   ► easier because I was it was I was using on my iPhone using two different mail apps to

01:00:43 ◼   ► do a thing it's like a whole thing but I wanted to just use the mail app to get a to create

01:00:49 ◼   ► a PDF turns out the way to do that is to press the reply button everything is behind the

01:00:53 ◼   ► reply button I know I know that like this isn't new to anybody else but like what on

01:00:58 ◼   ► Earth made them do that. I mean honestly not that this new toolbar would seem to help that

01:01:05 ◼   ► situation any less but hiding everything under a reply button. I like the UI when you press

01:01:11 ◼   ► the reply button. It's a nice UI under there I think. They've broken things out quite nicely

01:01:16 ◼   ► but just choose any other button design. Reply doesn't make any sense. You get to forward

01:01:25 ◼   ► by pressing reply. Now that's just bananas, right? Like, oh I want to forward a message?

01:01:31 ◼   ► Well, press the reply button first. Like that doesn't make any sense. And also when you

01:01:35 ◼   ► press the reply button, you don't reply. You have to press reply again.

01:01:39 ◼   ► Uh huh. Who? Did the person who made that decision

01:01:42 ◼   ► ever use mail before? Like that's not, that's not anything. So I don't think that this will

01:01:47 ◼   ► fix that, but it at least is changing some of the design. But there we go. I got to do

01:01:52 ◼   ► a real real-time follow-up. What a fun episode of outdated information by the time anybody listens

01:01:57 ◼   ► to the show. Maybe we just don't edit it, maybe we just put it out just as raw as possible.

01:02:03 ◼   ► Yeah, we're not we're not ATP. So you broke your iPad. Yeah, so I broke my iPad, so I was

01:02:13 ◼   ► I was just casually walking around my apartment and because I do not pay attention to my surroundings

01:02:22 ◼   ► I tripped into the cable, the USB-C cable that was charging the iPad, and so the

01:02:29 ◼   ► iPad flew across the kitchen and it landed on the floor. Now, the iPad, as we

01:02:37 ◼   ► talked about, was inside the Switch EZ Cover Body case and also inside the

01:02:42 ◼   ► Smart Keyboard and had the paper-like screen protector on. So, when I first

01:02:49 ◼   ► looked at the iPad, and it was late at night, and the lights were dim. It looked like nothing

01:02:57 ◼   ► happened, like it wasn't like the glass wasn't shattered, and I was like "oh yeah, it's fine,

01:03:03 ◼   ► thankfully like nothing happened". And the edges of the iPad were protected by the case,

01:03:09 ◼   ► so I was like "yeah, I got lucky, nothing broke". The next morning, when I got to work

01:03:14 ◼   ► with sunlight and, you know, it was much, much brighter. I looked at the display and

01:03:21 ◼   ► I saw this relatively thin line running across the bottom right corner of the iPad. So from

01:03:32 ◼   ► corner, from the bottom, basically it was like an entire corner of the display in the

01:03:40 ◼   ► bottom right section had broken. But it wasn't shattered like when I really shattered my

01:03:46 ◼   ► iPad Pro two years ago. It was like broken glass everywhere. But I could tell that it

01:03:51 ◼   ► was no scratch. It was actually broken. So I removed the paper like, and sure enough,

01:03:55 ◼   ► as soon as I touched the display in that area, I could feel that the glass was broken.

01:04:02 ◼   ► So is it safe to say that the cover body does not provide much protection?

01:04:07 ◼   ► Okay, so I went to the Apple store. I have AppleCare+ on this iPad Pro. It's the one

01:04:16 ◼   ► terabyte model. So the guy looks at the iPad and sort of asks me how did it happen, and

01:04:24 ◼   ► he told me that he believes that the case made the impact less bad than it could have

01:04:33 ◼   ► have been. Sure. Sure. He says that if you had no case on, like the whole thing would

01:04:38 ◼   ► actually be shattered with multiple pieces of broken glass instead. And it was just a

01:04:44 ◼   ► single line, like a single thin line of broken glass. And because of that, he said, okay,

01:04:52 ◼   ► so because you obviously obviously had a case on and like we can tell that the glass is

01:04:59 ◼   ► broken but it could have been worse and because we cannot see any damage on the

01:05:04 ◼   ► edges on you know the aluminum edges of the of the iPad we are gonna give you a

01:05:09 ◼   ► replacement totally for free at zero euros right now so we're gonna replace

01:05:15 ◼   ► your iPad and we don't even want the base replacement fee that you're

01:05:21 ◼   ► supposed to pay with AppleCare+ which I believe is around 50 maybe 70 euros

01:05:25 ◼   ► That's cool.

01:05:26 ◼   ► So not even that.

01:05:27 ◼   ► Zero euros just for free because I had a case on.

01:05:29 ◼   ► Whilst I'm happy for you, I'm not sure I follow their thinking here.

01:05:34 ◼   ► Their thinking here is that AppleCare+ covers accidental...

01:05:38 ◼   ► So this is my interpretation of their thinking.

01:05:41 ◼   ► AppleCare+ covers up to two accidents with your device.

01:05:46 ◼   ► So up to two repairs for accidental damage.

01:05:51 ◼   ► Now, the iPad Pro, they don't actually repair it.

01:05:55 ◼   ► When you shatter the display, they give you a new one.

01:05:58 ◼   ► This has always been the case for me.

01:06:00 ◼   ► Even two years ago, when the display was shattered, they just gave you a new one, a replacement

01:06:04 ◼   ► one.

01:06:05 ◼   ► But you gotta pay the basic replacement fee, which, again, I believe is 50 euros.

01:06:10 ◼   ► Now, because...

01:06:13 ◼   ► And this is where my interpretation is.

01:06:15 ◼   ► because it wasn't, like, completely shattered. And because it was obvious that I had a case

01:06:23 ◼   ► on and because it was the one-terabyte model, the guy was like, "Oh, you got the one-terabyte

01:06:28 ◼   ► model." And he told me, basically, "Nobody buys this one." Because of these reasons,

01:06:34 ◼   ► I believe it was like, "Yeah, we're going to give you one for free right now." And I

01:06:37 ◼   ► was like, "Oh, you have it available right now?" And it's like, "Yeah, because nobody

01:06:40 ◼   ► buys the one terabyte version. So we have one in stock always, all the time. Nobody

01:06:45 ◼   ► wants that. So yeah, I have a new iPad Pro, which is the old iPad Pro. I restored it from

01:06:52 ◼   ► a backup and it's fine. And yeah, so that's the story. It was cool though. Zero euros,

01:07:00 ◼   ► totally for free, same day replacement. That was cool. Is it possible this is because you're

01:07:04 ◼   ► famous? I do wonder this too. No, no. Yes. How confident are you that these people don't

01:07:12 ◼   ► know who you are, Federico? I am confident because he saw the work email address and

01:07:19 ◼   ► he said nothing. Usually they comment on something like, "Yeah, I read Mac stories, I'm a fan."

01:07:24 ◼   ► Usually they say something. What if you have like a flag on your account or something?

01:07:29 ◼   ► Oh, well, that I don't know.

01:07:32 ◼   ► That I don't know.

01:07:33 ◼   ► The Federico Fittigia.

01:07:36 ◼   ► You don't know, you don't have to do this to me, especially in public on a podcast.

01:07:40 ◼   ► Do you use a Mac Stories email address when you sign up for these things?

01:07:43 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, I do.

01:07:44 ◼   ► That's the power move.

01:07:45 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:07:46 ◼   ► See?

01:07:47 ◼   ► You can't be like that.

01:07:48 ◼   ► You can't be like, "Oh, don't do this to me."

01:07:51 ◼   ► Because you...

01:07:52 ◼   ► Look, I'm telling you, 100%, even if they didn't know who you were, they saw that email

01:07:56 ◼   ► address in their queue and someone looked it up. They 100% knew who you were.

01:08:01 ◼   ► You can't be like, "Oh, don't do that kind of thing to me." When you want it to happen

01:08:05 ◼   ► to you, you made it happen to you. Nobody else.

01:08:07 ◼   ► Yeah, but I make it happen in the privacy of my home.

01:08:11 ◼   ► Wait, what?

01:08:12 ◼   ► No, but like, I do it myself. I sign up with my work email address and I don't talk about

01:08:20 ◼   ► it, right? It's not like I want to be recognized and I was like, "Yeah, do you know who I am?"

01:08:25 ◼   ► Like if you notice, fine, and I'm happy.

01:08:27 ◼   ► If you don't...

01:08:28 ◼   ► Don't people typically use their personal email addresses for things like this?

01:08:33 ◼   ► Yeah, I do, so I don't run into this.

01:08:35 ◼   ► Well, my excuse is that the work email address is also my Italian Apple ID.

01:08:41 ◼   ► But don't you need your, ideally, your Italian Apple ID when you fix your iPad in Italy?

01:08:46 ◼   ► Exactly, exactly.

01:08:48 ◼   ► Which is why I...

01:08:49 ◼   ► Oh, okay, how convenient.

01:08:50 ◼   ► I signed up for the Genius Bar with the Italian Apple ID.

01:08:54 ◼   ► Otherwise, it would have looked like Federico Vittucci who lives somewhere in America.

01:08:58 ◼   ► Actually, I think I believe my name is John Ticci with the fake Apple ID with the US account.

01:09:05 ◼   ► It would have looked like John Ticci was visiting from the US and trying to fix an iPad in Rome.

01:09:10 ◼   ► Why is it John Ticci? Why is that?

01:09:14 ◼   ► I don't know. I wanted to make something recognizable, but also obviously fake.

01:09:19 ◼   ► Did you make Jon do something?

01:09:24 ◼   ► No, well Jon helped me out with details that I will not share.

01:09:29 ◼   ► The things he has to do for you.

01:09:35 ◼   ► He's a good friend.

01:09:39 ◼   ► So obviously I wanted to use the Italian Apple ID and Italian Apple ID just happens to be

01:09:44 ◼   ► the work email address.

01:09:45 ◼   ► Happens to be.

01:09:47 ◼   ► Happens to be.

01:09:48 ◼   ► I planned this.

01:09:49 ◼   ► Oh, I got one of those eye visors, the matte screen protector thing.

01:09:55 ◼   ► Oh yeah, that's also what I should have mentioned.

01:09:58 ◼   ► The Paperlike can go away forever, that thing is junk compared to this.

01:10:04 ◼   ► I know, right?

01:10:05 ◼   ► How does it have no bubbles?

01:10:07 ◼   ► Exactly, so you didn't believe me, but it has no bubbles.

01:10:11 ◼   ► Just you put it on the display.

01:10:12 ◼   ► It seems impossible.

01:10:13 ◼   ► I don't know, it's chemistry man, chemists do weird things.

01:10:17 ◼   ► And I like that it's got black edges, it makes it easier to line up.

01:10:21 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:10:22 ◼   ► So because I had to remove the Paperlike and I needed to put on a new screen protector,

01:10:27 ◼   ► I was like, you know what, I'm just going to order another iViser.

01:10:30 ◼   ► I immediately ordered one for my larger iPad.

01:10:33 ◼   ► Yep.

01:10:34 ◼   ► It's absolutely fantastic, this thing.

01:10:37 ◼   ► I have no idea how it is so much better than the Paperlike, but it is, in every single

01:10:43 ◼   ► way.

01:10:44 ◼   ► Do not buy the Paperlike, buy this one instead.

01:10:46 ◼   ► fantastic. So good. Because as well, the Paperlike doesn't make it through like paper, it just

01:10:52 ◼   ► adds a texture. And this thing adds a texture too. It's great. It's brilliant.

01:10:56 ◼   ► So I also put in the iVisor on my big iPad Pro and now I now have the iVisors everywhere.

01:11:03 ◼   ► So I will say it adds a texture. It's not the same texture. The Paperlike is definitely

01:11:07 ◼   ► more textured, right? But I don't know why people buy the Paperlike for the texture thing.

01:11:16 ◼   ► I just don't think it, it does what you want it to do, right?

01:11:19 ◼   ► Like if you want it to actually feel like paper, it doesn't, it doesn't,

01:11:22 ◼   ► it doesn't feel like paper. It just has a texture. Paper comes in all forms.

01:11:27 ◼   ► So, you know, I have paper that's as slippery as an iPad glass screen.

01:11:32 ◼   ► So that's the best paper I own. So, you know,

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01:13:32 ◼   ► arrived today. I haven't opened it yet and now I'm extra excited to do that. I want to

01:13:36 ◼   ► be one of those presidents.

01:13:38 ◼   ► Well there's some issues with that, but that's fine.

01:13:42 ◼   ► Does it matter anymore? Anyone can be the president.

01:13:45 ◼   ► Easy.

01:13:46 ◼   ► Right?

01:13:47 ◼   ► Well, it does have a point.

01:13:50 ◼   ► We've moved like 90% of the show document into a heading called the topic graveyard,

01:13:54 ◼   ► but there was one that we still have time for and that is this awesome watch OS 7 wishlist.

01:14:00 ◼   ► If someone wanted to tell us about this.

01:14:02 ◼   ► So this is created by Matt Burchler, who we've spoken, I'm pretty sure we've spoken about

01:14:09 ◼   ► one of Matt's concepts for watchOS in the past.

01:14:14 ◼   ► Yeah, he's got a great blog, he does really good work.

01:14:17 ◼   ► Like, it's a beautiful blog too.

01:14:19 ◼   ► Like, it's a very, I've never seen a personal blog that looks like the way that Matt's does,

01:14:26 ◼   ► so it's worth going.

01:14:27 ◼   ► And this article itself is actually very nicely laid out with a lot of great UI mockups.

01:14:32 ◼   ► This is a very good job.

01:14:34 ◼   ► And Matt seems like somebody who is very focused on watchOS.

01:14:42 ◼   ► Because the information that they put together, there are parts of it where it's like, "I

01:14:48 ◼   ► never would have thought of that."

01:14:50 ◼   ► But that's actually very smart.

01:14:52 ◼   ► So we'll run through some of these.

01:14:54 ◼   ► We can maybe take each point as we go and talk through a bunch of them.

01:15:01 ◼   ► Some of these seem like great additions, some of these seem great if it was a different

01:15:05 ◼   ► company because it really doesn't feel like Apple would do them.

01:15:11 ◼   ► But let's go through them anyway.

01:15:12 ◼   ► So more options and more customization for activity rings.

01:15:19 ◼   ► allowing you to customize the activity rings by adding in your own health things that you

01:15:25 ◼   ► want to track. I think this is really smart. So let's assume because we're going to get

01:15:29 ◼   ► sleep tracking is another one, right? So sleep tracking is another feature that Matt asks

01:15:32 ◼   ► for which just seems like logical. It would be wild if they haven't if they don't do it

01:15:36 ◼   ► in the next either watchOS version or hardware version. But let's say you have sleep and

01:15:41 ◼   ► then maybe you also want to track like your breathe or something, right? Like Apple adding

01:15:48 ◼   ► increasingly more health things that you can track. Like if standing or moving or activity

01:15:57 ◼   ► is not necessarily the thing that you're most caring about right now, wouldn't it be nice to

01:16:02 ◼   ► customize them a little bit? Seems like a good idea, I think. I like to see this go as far as

01:16:08 ◼   ► third-party applications being able to do their own. So something like WaterMinder,

01:16:13 ◼   ► you know, which you can do as a complication.

01:16:15 ◼   ► Yes.

01:16:16 ◼   ► Like, why couldn't I just add that as a ring?

01:16:18 ◼   ► And if I don't care about the others, sort of downplay them.

01:16:21 ◼   ► I think this is a fantastic idea.

01:16:24 ◼   ► I think any health thing that can have a goal related to it

01:16:27 ◼   ► would be great if they could tie it into activity somehow.

01:16:30 ◼   ► It should really be a ring API for developers.

01:16:34 ◼   ► I agree.

01:16:34 ◼   ► Like, WaterMinder, a really excellent example.

01:16:37 ◼   ► I would swap that for the stand

01:16:42 ◼   ► ring right away because I have water mind on my watch face and it's really the one ring

01:16:47 ◼   ► that I care the most these days like hydration so I would use that immediately or maybe in

01:16:52 ◼   ► addition to. And then I would like to have a second like so I could have two on a complications

01:16:57 ◼   ► right one is my activity health rings and then one is like a set of rings for productivity

01:17:03 ◼   ► things right so I could have like you know but like those rings could go down the other

01:17:10 ◼   ► away. I like how you say like it's a dirty secret. Well because like you know they're

01:17:17 ◼   ► not gonna let me do it but I hope that like there will be an API. Why are you whispering?

01:17:23 ◼   ► They're shush. They're gonna be like an API and they're like enterprising developers could

01:17:28 ◼   ► make what appear to be health related things but they're actually not that at all. It's

01:17:35 ◼   ► It's actually how many emails you've replied to today.

01:17:37 ◼   ► Yeah!

01:17:38 ◼   ► Why not?

01:17:39 ◼   ► Gamify, gamify your life, Gamify your life.

01:17:42 ◼   ► Oh, he's back.

01:17:43 ◼   ► Oh no, he's back.

01:17:44 ◼   ► There he is.

01:17:45 ◼   ► Oh my god.

01:17:46 ◼   ► A. Steven M. R. He's back again.

01:17:51 ◼   ► Editing workouts on the phone.

01:17:53 ◼   ► So that just seems like, yeah, why not, right?

01:17:56 ◼   ► Like being able to have more control over your workouts on the phone.

01:18:00 ◼   ► If you, you know, if the watch didn't pick it up correctly or whatever, you know, it

01:18:05 ◼   ► seems fine. This one is a stretch. Web UI to export activity data into CSVs? Doesn't

01:18:13 ◼   ► seem...

01:18:14 ◼   ► No, I don't think this... Like, I get the argument. I get the idea. It doesn't seem

01:18:22 ◼   ► like something that Apple would do. They enabled, I believe, saving your Apple card statement

01:18:32 ◼   ► as a CSV.

01:18:33 ◼   ► Yeah, they did, yeah.

01:18:34 ◼   ► did yeah. So maybe there's some kind of precedent for this, but you have a whole web UI for

01:18:40 ◼   ► it. The reason they did that is because people were getting in trouble with their accountants.

01:18:43 ◼   ► Like if you have a credit card you need to have exportable statements. Like it was bananas

01:18:50 ◼   ► that they had to add that and it wasn't just like a default feature. I think they had PDF

01:18:55 ◼   ► stuff but like accountants can't do anything with PDFs right? You can't put a PDF into

01:18:59 ◼   ► your accountant software right? Like that's not how it works. Like you need to have a

01:19:03 ◼   ► CSV for it. And so like, I assume that they would, that their support teams were just

01:19:07 ◼   ► getting like Lambast at Wibbery's requests. So they put that in there. Uh, unfortunately

01:19:12 ◼   ► there are no health accountants who require CSVs.

01:19:15 ◼   ► I believe they are called doctors though. Health accountants.

01:19:18 ◼   ► Health accountants, Federica, that is an incredibly good joke. You will never get enough credit

01:19:23 ◼   ► in your lifetime for how clever that was. Uh, that was very good. Uh, rest days. I can't

01:19:29 ◼   ► believe they haven't added this like rest days to your activity rings you

01:19:33 ◼   ► need to be able to lose a day right like if someone has a 2000 day activity goal

01:19:41 ◼   ► and they have the flu they don't deserve to lose it yeah it's your fault for

01:19:46 ◼   ► going outside when it's cold right Federico yeah exactly exactly I honestly

01:19:59 ◼   ► challenge you to walk outside in the cold and then tell me that you don't get sick a

01:20:04 ◼   ► couple days later.

01:20:06 ◼   ► I'm not sick right now and I've been in a really cold environment.

01:20:09 ◼   ► Keep moving on, just keep going.

01:20:12 ◼   ► Better responses with smarter default replies and scribble autocomplete.

01:20:16 ◼   ► I read you a quote that I like a lot.

01:20:17 ◼   ► I feel like I tap on my wrist, I look at my Apple Watch, I see a new iMessages come in,

01:20:21 ◼   ► I read the message and immediately drop my other wrist to grab my phone so I can actually

01:20:25 ◼   ► respond to the message.

01:20:26 ◼   ► I thought this was going to be the John Gruber original review for the Apple Watch.

01:20:30 ◼   ► No, no, no, no.

01:20:31 ◼   ► The default. So like I will say this is my thing here.

01:20:36 ◼   ► The default responses inside of the Apple Watch messages app make you sound like a serial killer.

01:20:42 ◼   ► If you respond with any of those. Right. Like, OK. Or yes or no or thank you. Nobody,

01:20:51 ◼   ► except for Jason Snell, texts like this. Nobody sends messages like this. Right.

01:20:56 ◼   ► just okay who says okay with like nobody nothing no emoji nothing it should the

01:21:03 ◼   ► watch this should be actually throughout all of iOS right like the quick type bar

01:21:07 ◼   ► should be doing this to learn how I type and with machine learning and give me

01:21:14 ◼   ► responses based on that right like you should be learning this stuff from me

01:21:20 ◼   ► create like one of those machine learning data set algorithms out of my

01:21:24 ◼   ► own messages conversations right like you could do this this doesn't seem I

01:21:28 ◼   ► mean it's not easy but it doesn't seem like at least starting to do that would

01:21:32 ◼   ► be difficult because there is no such thing as a smart reply on in any of this

01:21:37 ◼   ► stuff it's all madness nobody communicates in these ways so I I

01:21:42 ◼   ► completely agree with with Matt like the there needs to be more there and you can

01:21:48 ◼   ► customize them in the watch app but those defaults are still canned

01:21:52 ◼   ► responses. They're still cans, right? Like even if you're customising them to make them less like you

01:21:58 ◼   ► are a person who hates everybody else in their life, right? Because they're the only, you know,

01:22:04 ◼   ► typically if you just reply with the word "no" to a message it means you hate the person that

01:22:10 ◼   ► you're responding to. I need to tell people why I'm getting distracted right now and it's because

01:22:16 ◼   ► Stephen is texting me quotes from John Gruber's original review of the Apple Watch. We'll put it

01:22:19 ◼   ► in the show notes, you can go check it out. It is impossible to read things from a document

01:22:26 ◼   ► when you're just getting notifications of this. So I just want everybody to know this is happening

01:22:30 ◼   ► to me in my life. My favorite part about this bit of the the watchOS article is adding autocomplete

01:22:37 ◼   ► to the scribble deal because I don't know about y'all, I use the scribble keyboard a fair amount,

01:22:42 ◼   ► especially if I'm in a position where I can't reply with my voice and it is really frustrating

01:22:48 ◼   ► to like spell out every single thing. It's like you have like it already is is guessing your word

01:22:54 ◼   ► to a degree because if you make a typo it kind of corrects it for you. It's like just surfaces so I

01:22:59 ◼   ► can type three letters and select the word and move on to make it faster. It really is annoying

01:23:04 ◼   ► that that's not there. This is if this is all that's in the next version of watchOS I would be

01:23:08 ◼   ► happy. I like that scribble thing. I do too. The ability to have shortcuts actions that perform

01:23:14 ◼   ► watch functions. It would be nice, right? Like being able to turn on the theater mode

01:23:19 ◼   ► or something. That would just be really good if you could do that. You know, the thing

01:23:24 ◼   ► that will be asked for forever, third party watch faces. But I really like, it's not going

01:23:30 ◼   ► to happen. I really like, and this is kind of a thing that I've been asking for for a

01:23:33 ◼   ► while, but Matt puts it in a much better way. Some kind of like build your own watch face

01:23:38 ◼   ► tool in the watch app. Give me a bunch of things that I can put together myself. Let

01:23:43 ◼   ► me build something. This is a computer. Let me customize it more." So that would be kind

01:23:49 ◼   ► of cool. A weekend getaway mode that disables most of the Apple Watch's smart features.

01:23:55 ◼   ► So you're basically just left with time, some really important complications and messaging

01:23:59 ◼   ► notifications. So you can basically still wear the watch that you like, but it being

01:24:06 ◼   ► more chill. If you are like really busy and you don't, or like you want to be busy with

01:24:12 ◼   ► life, not busy with work.

01:24:13 ◼   ► iPad and Android sync.

01:24:15 ◼   ► I mean, mm-mm.

01:24:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, it's not gonna happen.

01:24:19 ◼   ► - The way that they will deal with this situation

01:24:22 ◼   ► is just making the Apple Watch completely standalone.

01:24:25 ◼   ► Tying it to more devices feels like a backwards step,

01:24:28 ◼   ► I think, for what Apple want the iPad to be.

01:24:31 ◼   ► But I think they would more clearly like it to be

01:24:33 ◼   ► just a completely standalone thing, right?

01:24:35 ◼   ► And better always-on watch faces,

01:24:39 ◼   ► making them look more like the on watch faces, right?

01:24:42 ◼   ► That they're meant to replicate.

01:24:43 ◼   ► And I really like this, the idea of showing timers.

01:24:47 ◼   ► Like if you have a timer running,

01:24:48 ◼   ► show it on the like always on watch face.

01:24:51 ◼   ► - Oh my God, yes.

01:24:52 ◼   ► - What a great idea, right?

01:24:54 ◼   ► Because you can still, like a timer is only gonna run

01:24:56 ◼   ► for a period of time, just let it run.

01:25:00 ◼   ► Like let it refresh every second like the watch face can

01:25:04 ◼   ► during the period of time that the timer's running.

01:25:06 ◼   ► It's a great idea.

01:25:07 ◼   ► And on the iPhone, if you set a timer, it gets added to your lock screen.

01:25:10 ◼   ► So just put it somewhere on the watch face.

01:25:12 ◼   ► So this is a really great article.

01:25:14 ◼   ► Matt goes into way more detail than we have,

01:25:17 ◼   ► but it's also a really beautiful article,

01:25:19 ◼   ► so I really recommend that people go and check it out.

01:25:22 ◼   ► But I think that this is, as we say,

01:25:24 ◼   ► somebody who really understands WatchOS,

01:25:28 ◼   ► breaking it down, and explaining the types of features that they would want to see.

01:25:33 ◼   ► Is there any more on this?

01:25:35 ◼   ► love to see more workout related things. I believe I was talking about this a few months

01:25:42 ◼   ► ago on Twitter. Maybe on the show. It would be nice to have automatic workout detection.

01:25:48 ◼   ► I still think it's something that Apple should figure out at some point. They do have the

01:25:52 ◼   ► automatic workout detection like taking a walk or, you know, like the basic stuff like

01:25:57 ◼   ► you're running. But to have that expand to more workout types.

01:26:02 ◼   ► I think you're doing X type of workout. Yeah, yeah, that would be great if they

01:26:07 ◼   ► can figure it out somehow. I do believe that Apple acquired the company that was

01:26:11 ◼   ► sort of working on these years ago and then nothing happened. I mean, I guess

01:26:15 ◼   ► maybe what happened was the automatic workout detection for walking and running.

01:26:19 ◼   ► Maybe that was it, I don't know. And also it'd be nice to have built-in support

01:26:22 ◼   ► for high intensity interval training so you don't have to download those

01:26:29 ◼   ► dedicated apps from the App Store, it would be great to have a built-in high-intensity

01:26:38 ◼   ► mode in the Workout app for the watch, and to be able to set your metrics and to set

01:26:42 ◼   ► your intervals, that would be nice to have.

01:26:46 ◼   ► Personally, in addition to this and the rings, which I think is a really good idea, shortcuts

01:26:52 ◼   ► is something that I think Apple should do a better job at restoring on the watch, because

01:26:57 ◼   ► I think there should be a shortcuts app on the watch. They should bring it back. Running

01:27:03 ◼   ► those Siri commands or those suggested shortcuts on the Siri watchways, which by the way I've

01:27:10 ◼   ► never seen myself, I don't think it's a good experience. I think people just want to have

01:27:15 ◼   ► a way to set certain shortcuts to run on the watch. So I guess what makes the most sense

01:27:21 ◼   ► is to have a shortcuts app, and to have a complication that launches the shortcuts app

01:27:24 ◼   ► and then you have shortcuts that you can run with one tap.

01:27:27 ◼   ► Literally what the workflow app used to be on the watch.

01:27:30 ◼   ► Yes. You know, bring it back,

01:27:33 ◼   ► make it run on watchOS 7, whatever it's going to look like.

01:27:35 ◼   ► And I believe shortcuts users will be happy.

01:27:38 ◼   ► I'll probably wrap up today. I said I'd come back to it.

01:27:41 ◼   ► I did find John Voorhees' broken grocery list.

01:27:44 ◼   ► OK. You have to go and read it, but like just some of...

01:27:47 ◼   ► So like one of them is just...

01:27:51 ◼   ► Can I take a look at an image? Is there an image?

01:27:52 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, it's in there. I'm going to put it in the chat room too.

01:27:56 ◼   ► One is just the word juice, like a million times, just juice juice juice juice juice juice juice juice

01:28:02 ◼   ► with a subheading of pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate and then

01:28:06 ◼   ► the word butter and then bread bread bread bread bread bread bread bread bread bread bread bread

01:28:11 ◼   ► and sometimes the B in the bread is capitalized and sometimes it isn't and then the note says

01:28:16 ◼   ► Italian, Italian, Italian sandwich space sandwich space sandwich and then sandwich Italian

01:28:20 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:28:24 ◼   ► And then peanut butter peanut butter peanut

01:28:26 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:28:31 ◼   ► Milk pepper pepper pepper pepper pepper

01:28:33 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:28:36 ◼   ► Oh man

01:28:37 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:28:40 ◼   ► What was he doing?

01:28:42 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:28:43 ◼   ► This brings me so much joy

01:28:45 ◼   ► I think he was using like an app that tied into reminders

01:28:50 ◼   ► but was also a grocery list, right?

01:28:53 ◼   ► - He's always using apps.

01:28:54 ◼   ► He's always using apps.

01:28:56 ◼   ► - What I like about this so much is the inconsistencies

01:29:01 ◼   ► in the repeated data that makes it more funny to me.

01:29:05 ◼   ► Like the Italian sandwich one just says Italian.

01:29:08 ◼   ► - That's the best part.

01:29:09 ◼   ► - Italian Italian Italian, no space, right?

01:29:11 ◼   ► Then sandwich space, sandwich space, sandwich space.

01:29:14 ◼   ► And then all one word sandwich Italian, Italian, Italian.

01:29:17 ◼   ► Like it doesn't make any sense.

01:29:19 ◼   ► Look at, he really wanted to buy that bread and make an Italian sandwich.

01:29:24 ◼   ► Peanut, butter peanut, butter peanut butter.

01:29:27 ◼   ► Butter peanut.

01:29:30 ◼   ► And then butter comes again later on.

01:29:32 ◼   ► Oh my god, it's so good.

01:29:34 ◼   ► Pepper pepper pepper.

01:29:37 ◼   ► It's like every time I look at this list, and I have looked at it many times, like I

01:29:42 ◼   ► find something new about it that I enjoy.

01:29:46 ◼   ► Pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate.

01:29:48 ◼   ► It was very good.

01:29:51 ◼   ► Thank you, Jon, for sharing this tweet many months ago.

01:29:54 ◼   ► I'm going to retweet this tweet again.

01:29:56 ◼   ► It's just like one of my favorite tweets ever.

01:29:58 ◼   ► Oh my God.

01:29:59 ◼   ► Oh dear.

01:30:00 ◼   ► I'm done now.

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