Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► - Hello and welcome to Connected episode 281.

00:00:11 ◼   ► It's made possible by our sponsors,

00:00:13 ◼   ► Squarespace, Direct Mail, and Setapp from MacPaw.

00:00:17 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett and I am joined by Myke Hurley.

00:00:20 ◼   ► - Oh, hi.

00:00:21 ◼   ► - That's weird.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Say hi like a normal person.

00:00:25 ◼   ► - Hi, like a normal person.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - I'm just gonna move on, you weirdo.

00:00:29 ◼   ► And we're joined by Federico Vittucci.

00:00:31 ◼   ► - You're welcome. - Buonasera, Steven.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Hi.

00:00:34 ◼   ► - Hey. - Hey.

00:00:35 ◼   ► - How are you?

00:00:36 ◼   ► - I'm good.

00:00:36 ◼   ► I don't know what's up with Myke,

00:00:37 ◼   ► but I think the two of us are ready to go.

00:00:40 ◼   ► - Why does there have to be something wrong with me?

00:00:42 ◼   ► - 'Cause you said hi in a creepy way.

00:00:44 ◼   ► - No, I didn't, I just said it.

00:00:46 ◼   ► - Hmm.

00:00:46 ◼   ► - Do you think it was creepy, Federico?

00:00:48 ◼   ► - I didn't find it creepy.

00:00:50 ◼   ► I thought it was more, I thought it was more romantic.

00:00:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'll go romantic.

00:00:55 ◼   ► Alluring is what I'm going for.

00:00:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's a beautiful adjective, yes.

00:00:59 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:01:01 ◼   ► I like it.

00:01:02 ◼   ► - All right.

00:01:03 ◼   ► - It's my new yearly theme, alluring.

00:01:05 ◼   ► - The year of allure.

00:01:06 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:01:08 ◼   ► - We're gonna start with follow up,

00:01:12 ◼   ► and that means starting--

00:01:13 ◼   ► - Should we though?

00:01:14 ◼   ► Should we really start?

00:01:15 ◼   ► - Yes, look, when I'm gone,

00:01:17 ◼   ► so I'm gonna miss an episode in a couple weeks,

00:01:20 ◼   ► and I know you guys are gonna do everything

00:01:22 ◼   ► in the wrong order, but I'm here,

00:01:24 ◼   ► and I'm still in charge somewhat of announcing the show.

00:01:29 ◼   ► And so we're gonna talk about follow-up first

00:01:31 ◼   ► and the two of you were just on for the ride.

00:01:33 ◼   ► We're gonna start with Apple Watch keyboard.

00:01:36 ◼   ► So we spoke about this recently, it was last episode,

00:01:39 ◼   ► about Scribble and things we'd want on watchOS

00:01:42 ◼   ► and all these things.

00:01:43 ◼   ► And in the meantime, there's been a review

00:01:45 ◼   ► of a watchOS app called Flick Type over on Mac stories.

00:01:50 ◼   ► Federico, can you explain this app?

00:01:51 ◼   ► I played with it, but I find it difficult to talk about

00:01:54 ◼   ► for some reason.

00:01:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I wasn't familiar with this app before,

00:01:58 ◼   ► but then a bunch of people recommended the app

00:02:00 ◼   ► to us on Twitter, and so we decided to take a look.

00:02:04 ◼   ► And I was sort of familiar with the name

00:02:05 ◼   ► because I saw that it was mentioned

00:02:08 ◼   ► in some other watch apps, like Chirp, for example,

00:02:12 ◼   ► the Twitter client for the Apple Watch,

00:02:13 ◼   ► sort of integrated with the Flick Type keyboard.

00:02:17 ◼   ► But it turns out that Flick Type

00:02:18 ◼   ► is more like a suite of products.

00:02:20 ◼   ► There's Flick Type, which is the main one,

00:02:23 ◼   ► which is an Apple Watch keyboard, but there's also Flick Type Notes, which is sort of similar

00:02:28 ◼   ► but based on note-taking. So the main idea behind the Flick Type keyboard is that it

00:02:33 ◼   ► is a QWERTY keyboard that you launch as an app on your watch, and you can actually type

00:02:41 ◼   ► with a software keyboard. Basically, you can swipe, of course, but you can tap letters,

00:02:47 ◼   ► and the app does a reasonably decent job at picking up the words that you wanted to enter

00:02:52 ◼   ► using AutoCorrect, and then when you're done, you can tap Done, and you will... basically

00:02:58 ◼   ► what the app does, I had no idea that this was possible for watch developers, it'll open

00:03:04 ◼   ► the Messages app from Apple, and it'll open the Compose box with the message filled in.

00:03:11 ◼   ► So you just need to enter a recipient or a group, and you will send the message.

00:03:16 ◼   ► So the idea would be that you can, if you need to reply to a message and you don't want

00:03:20 ◼   ► to use dictation, and you don't want to use the scribble feature of watchOS, you can open

00:03:25 ◼   ► the FleekType app, you can actually type out a response, and then you tap "send", you enter

00:03:30 ◼   ► the recipient, and you can send the reply that way. It's surprisingly, I mean, considering

00:03:35 ◼   ► the limitations and the fact that it's a third-party app, it's not an integrated native feature

00:03:40 ◼   ► of watchOS, I was honestly surprised by how well it works, and sure enough, it gets some

00:03:48 ◼   ► words wrong occasionally. What's nice is that you can spin the digital crown to choose between

00:03:53 ◼   ► multiple options for the word that you choose standard.

00:03:56 ◼   ► So that's nice. I should say though that I tested it on a 44mm watch. I have no idea

00:04:03 ◼   ► how this app will scale on a smaller watch like the 40 or even the 38 for those people

00:04:09 ◼   ► who have still an older model. So I'm surprised and there's a bunch of settings that you can

00:04:14 ◼   ► configure on the iPhone. There's an iPhone app of course. You open the iPhone app and

00:04:18 ◼   ► you can choose like, do you want to show the spacebar? There's a bunch of other tweaks

00:04:22 ◼   ► for punctuation and that kind of stuff that you can change. But otherwise, I mean, it

00:04:27 ◼   ► works well, but this one should really be Sherlock'd by Apple. It should really become

00:04:32 ◼   ► a native feature of watchOS 7 because it's possible. I mean, why not? Why not offer multiple

00:04:37 ◼   ► input methods? And if anything, I think FlickType makes a good case for Apple to copy this feature

00:04:42 ◼   ► and actually make it available system-wide.

00:04:44 ◼   ► - I think this is like a decent idea.

00:04:47 ◼   ► I think focusing it around iMessages probably makes sense.

00:04:51 ◼   ► I can't imagine another flow that would work

00:04:54 ◼   ► where like you get a message in one app

00:04:57 ◼   ► and then go to another app to send the reply.

00:05:00 ◼   ► Like messages feels like the only real communication method,

00:05:04 ◼   ► like short messages that you could do that with, right?

00:05:06 ◼   ► Where you could just read something in a notification

00:05:09 ◼   ► and then not need to necessarily refer back

00:05:11 ◼   ► to it that often, right?

00:05:13 ◼   ► Because you've gone out to another application

00:05:15 ◼   ► to send the message.

00:05:16 ◼   ► So I think it's pretty clever.

00:05:18 ◼   ► I would assume Apple is probably working

00:05:20 ◼   ► on something like this, right?

00:05:22 ◼   ► - I mean, maybe.

00:05:25 ◼   ► I think they're pretty confident in their,

00:05:29 ◼   ► the watch should be used with your voice kind of thing

00:05:31 ◼   ► and not be a tiny phone.

00:05:33 ◼   ► But I don't know.

00:05:34 ◼   ► I mean, it is very clever.

00:05:36 ◼   ► And I think that anything Apple could do

00:05:39 ◼   ► to make the watch input better,

00:05:42 ◼   ► serves it well as it becomes more independent

00:05:45 ◼   ► of the other devices, right?

00:05:47 ◼   ► Like you need some sort of reliable text input

00:05:49 ◼   ► if you're going to leave your phone behind

00:05:51 ◼   ► and Scribble and these other things do a pretty good job

00:05:53 ◼   ► but as we spoke about, there are some holes,

00:05:57 ◼   ► which does bring me to Apple's Scribble feature.

00:05:59 ◼   ► So we, I think in particular had complained

00:06:01 ◼   ► about lack of auto-complete

00:06:04 ◼   ► and it turns out that it kind of has it.

00:06:07 ◼   ► So as you start writing in Scribble,

00:06:11 ◼   ► you get a couple of letters in

00:06:12 ◼   ► and then you see an up down arrow in the top right corner.

00:06:15 ◼   ► And you can either tap that or turn the digital crown

00:06:18 ◼   ► and choose from words that it thinks you're going to write.

00:06:22 ◼   ► Listener Andy sent that in

00:06:23 ◼   ► and I had no idea that that was there.

00:06:26 ◼   ► I've seen those arrows

00:06:27 ◼   ► and I've just never done anything with them.

00:06:29 ◼   ► And I don't think it's as good as what Flick Type does,

00:06:32 ◼   ► but it is handy and of course built into any text input

00:06:36 ◼   ► on the watch.

00:06:37 ◼   ► Alright, so Myke, I have a follow-up question for you.

00:06:40 ◼   ► I want to know how the MOSHI iVisor is going for you.

00:06:47 ◼   ► So this is that weird screen protector that seems to defy the laws of physics, because

00:06:53 ◼   ► it doesn't create bubbles, and you can just take it off and reapply it, which I've already

00:06:59 ◼   ► done because when I realized in my application that there was like a tiny piece of dirt,

00:07:05 ◼   ► So I had to take it off to get the dirt out and then put it back and no bubbles.

00:07:08 ◼   ► I still don't know how it's possible.

00:07:09 ◼   ► Did you wash it?

00:07:10 ◼   ► You know it's washable.

00:07:11 ◼   ► Yeah, I know, but like I didn't feel the requirement to wash it yet.

00:07:15 ◼   ► Like have you washed yours?

00:07:17 ◼   ► No, I wanted to, but then I've seen the instructions and it's like a multi-step procedure and I

00:07:23 ◼   ► don't really want to ever do it.

00:07:25 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't think that it's a nice thing to necessarily wash them, but I liked it so

00:07:32 ◼   ► much that I bought one for my larger iPad which has arrived and I've replaced the paper-like

00:07:39 ◼   ► with it now. So I'm using the Moshi iVisa on both iPads. I've noticed that sometimes

00:07:46 ◼   ► if you're... sometimes when I use the Apple Pencil, if I'm scrolling up or down, it makes

00:07:51 ◼   ► a weird squeaking noise which is strange.

00:07:54 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:07:55 ◼   ► Like, there's something about like the texture of the iVisa and the Apple Pencil that like,

00:08:00 ◼   ► If you do it just right, it's like, you know, like that kind of thing.

00:08:05 ◼   ► It's crying.

00:08:06 ◼   ► It's like, I don't like this, bring the Paperlike back.

00:08:10 ◼   ► But I love it.

00:08:11 ◼   ► I really love it.

00:08:12 ◼   ► I love the texture.

00:08:13 ◼   ► I love the matte look.

00:08:14 ◼   ► Um, you do, I do have to have my brightness typically cranked up more than, um, I have

00:08:21 ◼   ► previously, like, you know, but I noticed this with the Paperlike too, uh, but I'm,

00:08:26 ◼   ► I'm super in on these eye visors.

00:08:28 ◼   ► It's, it's, it's awesome.

00:08:29 ◼   ► It's just the right level for me of providing with the matte texture, not affecting the

00:08:34 ◼   ► screen too much, and also not having a ton of bubbles.

00:08:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:39 ◼   ► I'm really in on it.

00:08:40 ◼   ► I love it.

00:08:41 ◼   ► So I ordered it from Amazon and it got delivered by FedEx, which just seemed peculiar, but

00:08:46 ◼   ► there we go.

00:08:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:48 ◼   ► Speaking of Amazon, I just wanted to follow up on this.

00:08:51 ◼   ► I think we mentioned this in private in our conversations.

00:08:56 ◼   ► I published my tutorial on how to mod AirPods, people have been telling me, basically every

00:09:04 ◼   ► single day I get a picture on Twitter of somebody who applied the custom foam tips to the silicon

00:09:12 ◼   ► ear tips for AirPods Pro. I published this back in December and I still basically get

00:09:18 ◼   ► a tweet every single day. And people keep telling me that on Amazon Japan, where I purchased

00:09:24 ◼   ► those, they're called the Symbio foam tips, those are basically regularly sold out every

00:09:31 ◼   ► few days. So, I don't know, I just thought that was an interesting fact that so much,

00:09:37 ◼   ► like I have literally gotten hundreds of pictures from all over the world of people modding

00:09:43 ◼   ► their AirPods, which I thought was, I think it's so amusing to see that, you know, folks

00:09:48 ◼   ► are just performing this mod, I just thought that maybe like 10 people would like it. And

00:09:53 ◼   ► so that's why I posted about it.

00:09:55 ◼   ► But then, like, their reaction was so unusual.

00:10:00 ◼   ► It sort of -- It makes me want to do more mods to my devices.

00:10:07 ◼   ► I think it's one of the things that I want to explore in 2020

00:10:11 ◼   ► is to actually make more of this custom stuff,

00:10:13 ◼   ► because it's fun, and it resonates with people

00:10:16 ◼   ► at a very different level than, say,

00:10:18 ◼   ► making custom shortcuts and that kind of stuff.

00:10:20 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:10:23 ◼   ► It just feels nice to share and have instructions, you know?

00:10:27 ◼   ► It's almost like I'm doing manual work, which I never do,

00:10:30 ◼   ► even though it's just like I'm modding my iPads

00:10:33 ◼   ► or my iPhones, but it's a nice change of pace.

00:10:36 ◼   ► So that's just something that I wanted to mention.

00:10:37 ◼   ► - Well, I guess the screen protectors

00:10:41 ◼   ► are just more mods though, really, aren't they?

00:10:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:10:44 ◼   ► That and, you know, I'm using the cover body case

00:10:48 ◼   ► with the, I don't know, have we talked about the fact

00:10:50 ◼   ► my pencil now has sleeves on it. What do you mean by sleeves? Well there's a black sleeve

00:11:00 ◼   ► on my Apple Pencil, but then there's also like a separate cap for the tip. It's like

00:11:06 ◼   ► a two-piece setup. Like a bathing suit. It's a bikini for the pencil. You remember that?

00:11:15 ◼   ► We have a two-piece. That's good news. Yeah, nobody ever says that. But you can say that

00:11:19 ◼   ► about the pencil. Moving on. Oh yeah, this is also something that I wanted to mention.

00:11:25 ◼   ► So last year, Apple sort of introduced their own answer to the Spotify Wrapped end-of-the-year

00:11:33 ◼   ► playlist very famously. At the end of the year, Spotify, for several years now, has

00:11:38 ◼   ► generated an automatic playlist and sort of looked back at the past 12 months for you

00:11:43 ◼   ► to show you the music that you've been into over the course of a year. Spotify Wrapped

00:11:48 ◼   ► is awesome, and it's so well done, it's like a breakdown of your top artists, your top

00:11:54 ◼   ► songs and albums, that if you remember, about two years ago I made my own shortcut for that

00:12:00 ◼   ► called Apple Music Wrapped, which worked and people really liked it, but of course I mentioned

00:12:05 ◼   ► the story, I really want Apple to make this their own native feature. And sure enough,

00:12:10 ◼   ► sometime in December or November, Apple introduced Apple Music Replay, which is a way to generate

00:12:17 ◼   ► playlist with your top songs and artists and albums of the year. When they launched it,

00:12:25 ◼   ► they also launched a website that you can go, it's replay.music.apple.com, and not only

00:12:31 ◼   ► did they make a version for 2019, but they also retroactively made playlists for you

00:12:37 ◼   ► for all the years since you've been an Apple Music user. So in my case, I have playlists

00:12:43 ◼   ► dating back all the way to 2015, which is when Apple Music launched. Now, when the feature was

00:12:48 ◼   ► introduced, I remember that in the TechCrunch story, it was suggested that Apple Music Replay

00:12:58 ◼   ► was not going to be just a feature, like a playlist that you get sometime in December,

00:13:03 ◼   ► before the year is over, but more like a constantly updating sort of service.

00:13:10 ◼   ► And let me quote this from the original TechCrunch article.

00:13:14 ◼   ► They said "But while Spotify's Wrapped is more of an annual retrospective, Apple Music

00:13:19 ◼   ► Replay will continue to be updated all year long, evolving as your musical tastes and

00:13:25 ◼   ► interests do throughout the year.

00:13:27 ◼   ► The playlist and its associated data insights will be updated on Sundays to reflect subscribers'

00:13:33 ◼   ► latest listening activity, says Apple."

00:13:36 ◼   ► Now, every Sunday since 2020 rolled in, I've been checking the Apple Music Replay website,

00:13:44 ◼   ► and there's still nothing. Like, I actually have a reminder for myself to check every

00:13:48 ◼   ► Sunday. Federico, you're the cutest, you know that?

00:13:51 ◼   ► Oh well, some people believe so. Thank you. You're one of them. It is now February 12th,

00:13:57 ◼   ► 2020. There's been a few Sundays, you know? But I mean, I don't know how many. Probably

00:14:03 ◼   ► seven, eight, I can count really. But it's been, you know, it's well into 2020 at this

00:14:08 ◼   ► point. Still no Apple Music replay. Six. Thank you. So, I mean, you know, I can wait one

00:14:15 ◼   ► Sunday, two Sundays, but six Sundays. Six Sundays. That's, that's, you know, three too

00:14:20 ◼   ► many. So the replay website still says 19. I wonder when will we get replay 2020? Because

00:14:28 ◼   ► I've been listening to music, I want to get, let me quote again, my associated data insights.

00:14:34 ◼   ► Where are they, Apple? Where's my latest listening activity and data insights? So I wonder,

00:14:41 ◼   ► will we get replay 2020 each Sunday as promised, or will it be like, oh yes, starting in June

00:14:48 ◼   ► instead of December? So some, you know, I want to see what happens here. It's probably literally

00:14:54 ◼   ► Just me who cares about this stuff.

00:14:55 ◼   ► - I'm pretty sure there's like a,

00:14:57 ◼   ► there's like a Taking Back Sunday reference

00:14:59 ◼   ► in here somewhere, right?

00:15:01 ◼   ► But like I haven't, I haven't yet gotten around to it.

00:15:05 ◼   ► Like I just, but I know it's in there somewhere.

00:15:07 ◼   ► I do remember this happening.

00:15:10 ◼   ► I'm sure at some point, like the Apple replay website

00:15:13 ◼   ► had on it something about 2020.

00:15:17 ◼   ► Like I have like a visual memory of that,

00:15:20 ◼   ► but that could just be one of those things where

00:15:22 ◼   ► like my brain is lying to me, you know?

00:15:25 ◼   ► But it is, I mean, it's a shame really, I think.

00:15:28 ◼   ► Like I think this whole,

00:15:29 ◼   ► I mean, I don't think I said it at the time,

00:15:31 ◼   ► but I find the Apple Music Replay website

00:15:34 ◼   ► a little bit sad, honestly, because--

00:15:36 ◼   ► - It's not as, yeah, we mentioned this.

00:15:39 ◼   ► - They had to build a web app on top of their own API

00:15:42 ◼   ► rather than put something in the application.

00:15:44 ◼   ► Like the whole thing is just a little bit sad to me.

00:15:47 ◼   ► You know, like Spotify, it just all lives in Spotify, right?

00:15:50 ◼   ► Like, and then they went, like, like Spotify Wrapped is just there or whatever, or like

00:15:55 ◼   ► the Spotify playlists in general, like all of the, uh, the playlists that they do, right?

00:15:59 ◼   ► What are they called? The weekly ones? Weekly, right?

00:16:02 ◼   ► Discover Weekly. Yeah. Discover Weekly. Like all that stuff is just like in the app and

00:16:06 ◼   ► then the Spotify Wrapped looked like an Instagram story. Like it was like a whole thing, you

00:16:12 ◼   ► know? The graphics are really great and like, you know, bless them over Apple Music. They

00:16:17 ◼   ► did something that was like they gave you the bare bones but then it was just like oh

00:16:22 ◼   ► but we don't know how to do anything else so. Yeah and also we should say that the Spotify

00:16:27 ◼   ► wrapped website like the whole thing as sort of like a cultural impact. Like I've seen

00:16:33 ◼   ► all kinds of people and artists post screenshots in their stories or on Twitter with the you

00:16:39 ◼   ► know with the top albums and top songs and whatever. They included podcasts this year

00:16:43 ◼   ► It was amazing.

00:16:44 ◼   ► Yeah, and I've seen literally nobody share anything from Apple Music Replay.

00:16:49 ◼   ► So like, it's a nice feature to have, but it's not as inspired, maybe, as Spotify.

00:16:54 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:16:55 ◼   ► The only people I saw sharing Apple Music Replay stuff were people that used Apple Music

00:17:00 ◼   ► and wish they had Spotify wrapped.

00:17:02 ◼   ► Like, that was kind of it, really.

00:17:05 ◼   ► I mean, I believe in their ability to be able to do something like this because the Spotify

00:17:10 ◼   ► one took time for them to really work it out. And also I think one of the really the Spotify

00:17:17 ◼   ► wrapped thing is just a consequence of Spotify's business model, which is different to Apple's

00:17:25 ◼   ► business model. Like Spotify's business model is to gather listening data because that's how they

00:17:31 ◼   ► continue to like try and make their service better in general. So because they have all this data,

00:17:38 ◼   ► they could just interpret it in different ways and serve it back to you.

00:17:41 ◼   ► And this isn't really what Apple does, they rely way more on the human curation than the

00:17:46 ◼   ► algorithmic curation. So their ongoing efforts in this world, it's like a little

00:17:54 ◼   ► trickier, you know what I'm saying? Are you following me, right? It's just like a very

00:18:00 ◼   ► different thing between the two companies, but then it really does show, I mean it just

00:18:07 ◼   ► looks a bit embarrassing sometimes.

00:18:09 ◼   ► I mean it's just a consequence of their businesses being slightly different, I think.

00:18:14 ◼   ► Alright, we've got some more follow up after our first break.

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00:19:59 ◼   ► All right, up next, we have some long-term follow-up.

00:20:04 ◼   ► I just wanted to note that there are still no GPUs

00:20:08 ◼   ► or afterburner cards available for the Mac Pro to be updated.

00:20:12 ◼   ► It's going on two months since this machine's been out

00:20:15 ◼   ► and no new cards, no nothing.

00:20:17 ◼   ► - I think we're probably more expecting

00:20:20 ◼   ► the additional GPUs than the afterburner card changes, right?

00:20:23 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I'd lump them together, but I expect that we will see GPUs.

00:20:28 ◼   ► Right now you can buy none, like even the Vega 2 and the Vega 2 Duo or whatever.

00:20:33 ◼   ► You can't get any of them.

00:20:34 ◼   ► Oh, you mean like to buy those things separately in the store?

00:20:38 ◼   ► Yeah. OK. You can't get the new video cards.

00:20:41 ◼   ► I forget the name of it, but that's the one I'm looking at.

00:20:44 ◼   ► And then the Vega 2 is no there are no add on cards

00:20:47 ◼   ► for the Mac Pro from Apple for sale yet.

00:20:50 ◼   ► So that is a that's a bummer if you've got a Mac Pro when updated, but and I still have

00:20:55 ◼   ► a couple of graphics card options on the coming soon page on the configurator to

00:21:00 ◼   ► Yeah, those haven't shown up yet. I expect with the situation in China manufacturing that

00:21:05 ◼   ► that's this is further delayed. There was an article on Mac rumors at the ship date for a lot

00:21:10 ◼   ► of a lot of stuff is beginning to slip including all Mac pros and so you know the the manufacturing

00:21:17 ◼   ► deal is going to take all companies, not just Apple, a while to rebound after this outbreak

00:21:23 ◼   ► deal gets settled, which is still very open-ended.

00:21:26 ◼   ► If you want to buy a pair of AirPods right now, four weeks.

00:21:30 ◼   ► AirPods, four weeks in the UK and the US.

00:21:33 ◼   ► The AirPods never really caught up even from the holidays, but I think it'll get worse

00:21:37 ◼   ► before it gets better.

00:21:38 ◼   ► Also in long-term follow-up, we spoke about the Twitter app, how you needed another app

00:21:43 ◼   ► to make it better on the iPad.

00:21:46 ◼   ► And we have a tweet from listener Dayton,

00:21:49 ◼   ► who is working on an app-- there's a test flight link

00:21:52 ◼   ► on Twitter-- that is the sidebar app for Twitter.

00:21:56 ◼   ► And you can put in notes, and it syncs with iCloud

00:22:00 ◼   ► with folders and tags.

00:22:02 ◼   ► This looks pretty sweet, so you can use it as a sketchpad

00:22:06 ◼   ► sort of for Twitter.

00:22:08 ◼   ► Well, also, you can drag and drop tweets into it

00:22:11 ◼   ► and then perform actions on the tweets,

00:22:13 ◼   ► which are either to find out more about the person

00:22:17 ◼   ► or you can look at the quote replies

00:22:21 ◼   ► or all the replies for a certain tweet,

00:22:23 ◼   ► then you can save the tweets with notes

00:22:25 ◼   ► attached to them for later on.

00:22:27 ◼   ► And then once you save those tweets in,

00:22:29 ◼   ► those people get saved into a directory

00:22:31 ◼   ► and then you can go in and view information about them.

00:22:33 ◼   ► This is exactly the kind of app

00:22:35 ◼   ► that I was hoping somebody would make.

00:22:37 ◼   ► - It's really well done.

00:22:38 ◼   ► - I was playing around with it just a little bit

00:22:40 ◼   ► before we started recording today. And it's a test flight, I'll put a link in the show

00:22:44 ◼   ► notes to the tweets. I'm assuming that Dayton's cool with people signing up for the test flight,

00:22:48 ◼   ► but this is the exact type of thing that we were hoping someone would make, because even

00:22:54 ◼   ► though Twitter has fixed the problem, they fixed the problem by just adding all the space

00:22:58 ◼   ► back in, and now I have like, the hunger for more, and so I'm pleased that this exists.

00:23:05 ◼   ► Yeah, it's really well done. I have it on my iPad and my phone right now, it's not syncing

00:23:09 ◼   ► back to the iPhone. So, Dayton, if you're looking for feedback, I mean, let me know.

00:23:14 ◼   ► I'm using the test-like version.

00:23:17 ◼   ► Stop complaining on podcasts, Federico. File a radar.

00:23:20 ◼   ► Yes, I will. It's really well done. I love that when you drop in a tweet, if it's being retweeted by somebody,

00:23:28 ◼   ► you will get all of that information. Like, you will get the original author, you will get the person who retweeted that tweet,

00:23:35 ◼   ► and everything can be reopened in the Twitter app.

00:23:39 ◼   ► And it's very clever because the app is using

00:23:42 ◼   ► the advanced search parameters,

00:23:45 ◼   ► which you can use in the official Twitter app.

00:23:48 ◼   ► So you can check out all the replies to somebody.

00:23:51 ◼   ► This is like something that you can do yourself

00:23:53 ◼   ► if you know the syntax,

00:23:54 ◼   ► but to have a proper UI that is so nice and so convenient.

00:23:58 ◼   ► I mean, this is an excellent idea.

00:24:00 ◼   ► If you can get the CloudKit stuff to work, Dayton,

00:24:03 ◼   ► this will be really, really good for me.

00:24:05 ◼   ► It's a beta, you know. I assume it's pretty well known. It's called Tweet Notes, is the name of the app currently.

00:24:11 ◼   ► But I am really excited to see this. This is like a cool thing.

00:24:14 ◼   ► Oh, and also, as a beta tester, one suggestion would be on the iPhone, let me paste a tweet as a link.

00:24:24 ◼   ► So if I have a link in my clipboard, I should be able to either have the automatic detection,

00:24:28 ◼   ► so if I have a twitter.com link in my clipboard, the app should recognize it,

00:24:32 ◼   ► but also there should be just a paste button

00:24:34 ◼   ► to paste the link on the iPhone.

00:24:36 ◼   ► That's it.

00:24:37 ◼   ► - I'm sure this is how Dayton wanted to collect feedback.

00:24:39 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yes.

00:24:41 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:24:42 ◼   ► You're welcome.

00:24:42 ◼   ► - And the longest term follow-up at this time,

00:24:48 ◼   ► Google Docs and Sheets still has

00:24:49 ◼   ► no multi-window support on iPadOS.

00:24:52 ◼   ► - I don't think it's gonna happen, you know?

00:24:54 ◼   ► - Nah.

00:24:56 ◼   ► - Well, to be honest though, I feel like,

00:24:58 ◼   ► what was the last thing?

00:25:01 ◼   ► drag and drop, maybe?

00:25:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, probably drag and drop.

00:25:05 ◼   ► And it did get it, but it's not good.

00:25:07 ◼   ► But like, I want multi-window for Google Docs

00:25:11 ◼   ► way more than I wanted drag and drop.

00:25:13 ◼   ► Like, this, 'cause it's like, this is like,

00:25:16 ◼   ► this would be very genuinely very useful for me.

00:25:19 ◼   ► Like, a couple of days ago, I mean,

00:25:21 ◼   ► it's good the Safari's so good now.

00:25:22 ◼   ► But like, I had to open a Google Doc in Safari on one side,

00:25:26 ◼   ► and then the actual Google Docs app on the other side,

00:25:28 ◼   ► 'cause I needed two docs at once.

00:25:30 ◼   ► Like, it isn't as dire as it would have been if Safari wouldn't have been so heavily updated,

00:25:37 ◼   ► because previously it would be like "oh you can't even look at this, go download the Google

00:25:41 ◼   ► Docs app" it's like "well that's no good is it?"

00:25:44 ◼   ► But the fact that I can basically treat it well, but then even copy and paste is worse

00:25:51 ◼   ► in Safari Google Docs than the real Google Docs, so I don't know.

00:25:56 ◼   ► I just want them to add multi windows so badly and I'll be really, really happy, but I don't

00:26:00 ◼   ► think it's going to happen.

00:26:02 ◼   ► While we're talking about things Google Docs doesn't have, I would love dark mode.

00:26:07 ◼   ► Me too.

00:26:08 ◼   ► Yes.

00:26:09 ◼   ► I don't use dark mode on the Mac, but I do on my iPad and iPhone and increasingly it

00:26:15 ◼   ► is the most regular app I use that doesn't support it.

00:26:18 ◼   ► It makes me sad.

00:26:20 ◼   ► Because you know, like y'all sometimes I think about something for a show note in the middle

00:26:25 ◼   ► the night I was like oh I need to add that to connected and then I get blinded

00:26:28 ◼   ► yeah we have some follow-out relay FM has two new podcasts Myke do you want to

00:26:34 ◼   ► tell us about these I will tell you about mine and then you can tell me

00:26:37 ◼   ► about yours so both me and Steve and have new shows with technology youtubers

00:26:43 ◼   ► that we really enjoy so I have a show called the test drivers that I'm hosting

00:26:47 ◼   ► with Austin Evans Austin is one of my very favorite tech youtubers and has

00:26:50 ◼   ► been for years and on the test drivers we want to put tech through its paces so

00:26:55 ◼   ► So we're going to be taking technology from all different kinds,

00:26:58 ◼   ► whether it's smartphones or laptops, gaming consoles, PCs, the whole thing,

00:27:02 ◼   ► and really kind of like test stuff and help you, help our listeners,

00:27:07 ◼   ► decide what might be their next devices.

00:27:09 ◼   ► So we're really, really excited about this.

00:27:11 ◼   ► Our first episode is about the Galaxy S20,

00:27:14 ◼   ► because it just came out and Austin had his hands on it.

00:27:16 ◼   ► So we go in depth on that.

00:27:17 ◼   ► But we have like loads of things.

00:27:20 ◼   ► We're taking a page from Adaptbook and we're going to be doing some challenges

00:27:23 ◼   ► some point in the future like can you live on the original iPad for a week or

00:27:28 ◼   ► I now own a Windows laptop so that's like a whole thing so there's we're

00:27:34 ◼   ► gonna be digging into lots of different types of technology talking about them

00:27:38 ◼   ► in detail and really putting it all to the test and I'm really really excited

00:27:41 ◼   ► about this show and you should go check it out it's very good I very much

00:27:46 ◼   ► enjoyed episode one about the s20 line of phones that was introduced this week

00:27:51 ◼   ► by Samsung. Very awesome. So the second show is called Flashback. I host it with Quinn

00:27:58 ◼   ► Nelson of Snazzy Labs. He's the guy who took apart the Mac Pro and has done a bunch of

00:28:03 ◼   ► hardware stuff over the years. He has a real interest in how things go together.

00:28:07 ◼   ► All of his Mac Pro coverage has been amazing.

00:28:10 ◼   ► Very good. Quinn's awesome and we've become friends over the last couple of years and

00:28:15 ◼   ► And so we've launched this show together.

00:28:17 ◼   ► It is a show this season is about covering technology products that failed or were ahead

00:28:24 ◼   ► of their time.

00:28:25 ◼   ► The new people got mad at me because they called the Newton a failure.

00:28:28 ◼   ► So look, the Newton can be good and also a failure.

00:28:31 ◼   ► Sorry.

00:28:32 ◼   ► That was episode one talking about that product, where it came from, its flaws, its good things,

00:28:37 ◼   ► how it sort of impacted the world we still live in.

00:28:40 ◼   ► The big question we answer every episode is what can we learn from this product?

00:28:45 ◼   ► So the Newton was episode one.

00:28:47 ◼   ► In a couple weeks, we'll be back with the Zune.

00:28:49 ◼   ► That'll be episode two.

00:28:50 ◼   ► I can't wait for the Zune episode.

00:28:52 ◼   ► Oh my god, I'm so excited for that one.

00:28:54 ◼   ► Yeah, it's recorded and partially edited.

00:28:56 ◼   ► And I really enjoyed that conversation.

00:28:59 ◼   ► And then episode three will be about this weird electric car

00:29:04 ◼   ► that Apple made.

00:29:05 ◼   ► Oh boy, this weird electric car that GM made in the '90s.

00:29:08 ◼   ► So kind of all over the place as far as different products.

00:29:11 ◼   ► But there's so much interesting stuff

00:29:13 ◼   ► to talk about. And that will be out every other Thursday, starting in a couple weeks.

00:29:19 ◼   ► So we are really excited about that. And it's going to be a lot of fun.

00:29:22 ◼   ► Yep. So you can go get the first episodes of both of those right now. We'll have links

00:29:26 ◼   ► in the show notes, but it's the test drivers and flashback.

00:29:29 ◼   ► There was this really funny tweet from Taylor. They said about flashback in particular that

00:29:35 ◼   ► it, it, it feels like a podcast of the stuff that Myke and Federico won't let me talk about

00:29:40 ◼   ► on connected. And Taylor, you were right.

00:29:43 ◼   ► I don't know how you think that this applies to just flashback.

00:29:46 ◼   ► Do you not remember the anger and the apathy that was faced upon me when I wanted to review

00:29:53 ◼   ► the Galaxy Fold?

00:29:54 ◼   ► What's not anger?

00:29:57 ◼   ► Not from you Federico.

00:29:58 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:29:59 ◼   ► There was another member of our podcast who was-

00:30:02 ◼   ► Jason.

00:30:03 ◼   ► No, well I see this is the other thing, right?

00:30:05 ◼   ► Like no one would talk about foldables with me, so I found someone that would.

00:30:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:10 ◼   ► Wow.

00:30:11 ◼   ► have a new dad it's not us. Well we're both we're both Quinn and uh Austin are much younger than me

00:30:20 ◼   ► and you. It's true we're really old that's what we've learned also Quinn is very tall. I've never

00:30:25 ◼   ► felt old before I feel old now. So anyways go check those out we have spent a lot of time working on

00:30:31 ◼   ► these shows and we're really excited to get them out there uh seriously it's been the last day and

00:30:36 ◼   ► and a half has been a lot of fun. And really wild and very busy. A lot of things. It takes

00:30:42 ◼   ► a lot of buttons to push in the right order to launch two shows. Yeah. And Google podcasts,

00:30:49 ◼   ► any day you want to update your directory. Yeah. So happy. Just any day now, any day,

00:30:54 ◼   ► whenever you want to do it, we'll be, we'll be excited. Uh, I wanted to just mention something

00:30:59 ◼   ► and then ask a couple of questions based on it. So I saw that Apple a couple of weeks

00:31:02 ◼   ► ago, they updated the iCloud.com website with really nice mobile versions of some of their

00:31:09 ◼   ► applications. So they've basically revamped the photos and notes and reminders and also

00:31:17 ◼   ► Find My. So you can go to these websites, like go to iCloud.com in a web browser on

00:31:24 ◼   ► a phone and it looks and acts mostly like the Notes app or the Reminders app, which

00:31:29 ◼   ► Which I just thought was really cool.

00:31:31 ◼   ► On the face of it seems like a strange thing to do, right?

00:31:35 ◼   ► Because it's like, why did you do that?

00:31:37 ◼   ► I mean, it's been useful for me in trying...

00:31:39 ◼   ► Like I actually prepared the notes for some of this episode on a Windows laptop using

00:31:46 ◼   ► the iCloud.com notes app just to see what it was like.

00:31:49 ◼   ► I just went to see how it would work.

00:31:51 ◼   ► And it worked great.

00:31:52 ◼   ► So I was really happy about that.

00:31:54 ◼   ► But obviously you miss a lot of the operating system tie-ins, right?

00:31:58 ◼   ► So like, if you say you wanted to use this on an Android phone, you can't share links

00:32:04 ◼   ► directly to it because it's in a web browser.

00:32:06 ◼   ► Right.

00:32:07 ◼   ► Right.

00:32:08 ◼   ► So it made me think, like, in Apple's services world, is there like a place where they would

00:32:15 ◼   ► ever do this?

00:32:16 ◼   ► Like make actual, say, Android apps of these types of services?

00:32:22 ◼   ► Do you think that, can you imagine that, right?

00:32:24 ◼   ► Like, I know in the past, it's just like, oh no, they would never do anything.

00:32:28 ◼   ► they've been like slowly opening the door a little bit, even including making these

00:32:34 ◼   ► web versions, right? Because no one on an iPhone needs the web version of reminders.

00:32:38 ◼   ► Yeah, the only thing that you do is I guess if you're on someone else's device, log into

00:32:43 ◼   ► your account on an iPhone, but I think this is like right at the pain point of Apple.

00:32:51 ◼   ► It wants to be a services company more and more, but the iPhone revenue is still too

00:32:57 ◼   ► important to like unlock a lot of services from the iPhone like iMessages the biggest

00:33:01 ◼   ► one right there. I don't think it's coming to Android anytime soon. These though are

00:33:05 ◼   ► less important but still really baked into the iOS and Mac OS ecosystems. And so I don't

00:33:13 ◼   ► see them doing this as long as the iPhone revenue is still the primary driver for the

00:33:20 ◼   ► company. It's a smaller percentage overall than it was a few years ago, but it's still

00:33:23 ◼   ► the biggest and I feel like they want to give the iPhone special treatment in their services.

00:33:32 ◼   ► You know, honestly, I don't know if Apple Music would be there for had it been for the

00:33:35 ◼   ► beats acquisition being the foundation of that. Maybe eventually, but I don't see it

00:33:40 ◼   ► in the cards anytime soon.

00:33:41 ◼   ► I mean, I think it would have been now because they did Apple TV. Right. So like, yeah, maybe

00:33:46 ◼   ► they could have done that jointly. Yeah, like notes and photos and stuff. I mean, on one

00:33:51 ◼   ► hand they're not high impact, right? Like notes and reminders, like it could be fine.

00:33:56 ◼   ► They could score it out on an Android app and it'd be fine. But I kind of think they

00:34:00 ◼   ► like that stuff. Make, you know, hey, it works really well. All this stuff is really cool

00:34:05 ◼   ► if you buy a thousand dollar or $600 iPhone.

00:34:08 ◼   ► And I imagine if they wanted to charge you for, as in you, like everybody for an iCloud

00:34:14 ◼   ► service which included notes reminders and iMessage on other platforms right so

00:34:21 ◼   ► like you could pay X amount of a month and you would also be able to access

00:34:26 ◼   ► messages and notes and reminders on Android or Windows hmm that's it I mean

00:34:31 ◼   ► I still don't think we're that close to it but that seems like in the world that

00:34:35 ◼   ► Apple seems to be playing in now that could be the last last way to choose the

00:34:42 ◼   ► revenue, you know, like they're like, oh, we make these three services, we think

00:34:46 ◼   ► they would be really useful to people, including photos. If anything, photos

00:34:49 ◼   ► actually has like a maybe an even better value proposition. Like, well, you could

00:34:54 ◼   ► say to someone on Android, like, yeah, you use Android, but maybe you don't want

00:34:58 ◼   ► Google to have your photos where you can pay us and we'll store them for you.

00:35:02 ◼   ► That does raise the question of who this would be for. I think there's two main

00:35:06 ◼   ► categories of people, the person you just described that has an Android phone, but

00:35:10 ◼   ► doesn't want to go all into Google services.

00:35:12 ◼   ► I don't know how many of those people are out there,

00:35:13 ◼   ► but there's got to be some of them.

00:35:16 ◼   ► But if you look at just sheer numbers,

00:35:18 ◼   ► there's got to be a bunch of Mac users

00:35:20 ◼   ► who use an Android phone.

00:35:21 ◼   ► And right now that's a pretty broken experience,

00:35:23 ◼   ► and maybe that's enough people who they'd be willing to pay.

00:35:27 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:35:28 ◼   ► I think either way, though, it's not a huge market.

00:35:29 ◼   ► - Well, I think the iMessage one, though,

00:35:31 ◼   ► isn't even just about your devices.

00:35:33 ◼   ► People want iMessage on Android

00:35:35 ◼   ► because their friends will have iPhones, right?

00:35:37 ◼   ► - Sure, yeah, yeah.

00:35:38 ◼   ► I mean, I think for this conversation,

00:35:40 ◼   ► iMessage is like not happening.

00:35:42 ◼   ► But maybe there are enough people

00:35:45 ◼   ► who live split lives that would want this.

00:35:47 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:35:49 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:35:49 ◼   ► I think it's cool they did the website for a long time.

00:35:52 ◼   ► If you just went to it, it just showed you,

00:35:54 ◼   ► like, iCloud is the thing.

00:35:56 ◼   ► Goodbye.

00:35:56 ◼   ► It's like, what are you doing?

00:35:58 ◼   ► Why is this here?

00:35:59 ◼   ► And so that is cool.

00:36:01 ◼   ► And it's great that if you just have your spouse's phone

00:36:04 ◼   ► and you need to look up something in your iCloud account,

00:36:06 ◼   ► you can.

00:36:06 ◼   ► But I don't know if this is like a gateway to bigger things

00:36:09 ◼   ► yet.

00:36:10 ◼   ► Yeah, it was just really intriguing to me,

00:36:12 ◼   ► because this is not a nothing amount of work.

00:36:14 ◼   ► They're actually really nicely designed web apps.

00:36:17 ◼   ► And I was surprised by that, because it's like, well-- I

00:36:21 ◼   ► mean, obviously they are assuming the primary use

00:36:24 ◼   ► of this is people on other devices using these things.

00:36:29 ◼   ► Because I get what you mean, but it

00:36:31 ◼   ► seems like a really narrow use case to be like,

00:36:33 ◼   ► if you want to access your reminders list on somebody

00:36:35 ◼   ► else's phone and you don't have your phone with you.

00:36:37 ◼   ► Oh yeah, all of it's narrow.

00:36:39 ◼   ► So it was just cool to see.

00:36:41 ◼   ► Can I get a quick reminder from everybody about our kind of stance on the Cybertruck

00:36:50 ◼   ► again?

00:36:51 ◼   ► Oh my god, again?

00:36:52 ◼   ► Yeah, there's a reason for this, but like, I just need to remember how we're all feeling

00:36:58 ◼   ► about that.

00:37:00 ◼   ► The Cybertruck, is that the name, Cybertruck?

00:37:04 ◼   ► Cybertruck yeah.

00:37:05 ◼   ► The Cybertruck is an offense to human taste. It's the most... See, ugly doesn't even...

00:37:19 ◼   ► Ugly doesn't quite define it. It's offensive. It's offensive in a way that taking the Mona Lisa

00:37:25 ◼   ► and painting over it would be offensive. It's offensive in a way that you almost can't believe

00:37:31 ◼   ► that a person came up with it and yet they did and somehow some people they're all part of this

00:37:40 ◼   ► collective delusion that it's genius while in fact they've all been tricked into thinking that

00:37:47 ◼   ► making something so preposterously ugly could be considered genius. That's my stance.

00:37:57 ◼   ► All right, that's good. That's good to know. Stephen, why are you sitting on Cybertruck

00:38:01 ◼   ► visually more than anything else? It is hideous, but also it's a bad pickup truck.

00:38:06 ◼   ► Okay, cool. I have a link for you both to something called the Cybophone,

00:38:10 ◼   ► which I put in the document. I just want to get your overall feelings on this.

00:38:17 ◼   ► So this is made by a company called Caviar, which you may remember as the company that

00:38:24 ◼   ► made an iPhone 11 Pro to look like an original iPhone and then put a piece of a Steve Jobs shirt

00:38:33 ◼   ► inside of it. That's creepy. Do you remember this? No, I have blocked that out. Yes, I,

00:38:39 ◼   ► I, I'm, unfortunately I do. I will put a link in the show notes to the Unbox Therapy YouTube channel

00:38:46 ◼   ► where Lou from Unbox Therapy unboxes one of those, so he had one of the uh,

00:38:52 ◼   ► superior Steve Jobs edition phones.

00:38:55 ◼   ► So this company Caviar, this is what they do.

00:38:57 ◼   ► They take iPhones and they do bananas things to them

00:39:01 ◼   ► and they sell them for like a hundred grand or something.

00:39:04 ◼   ► But I just wanted to get, you know, so Federico, how do you feel

00:39:09 ◼   ► about Cybertruck styling added to the iPhone 11 Pro?

00:39:13 ◼   ► I feel like I need to disconnect from Skype and cry because you see that.

00:39:20 ◼   ► Do you see the image down below where they put like a front part on it, which is meant to look like a truck bed?

00:39:25 ◼   ► Yeah, and it flips around and makes a stand.

00:39:27 ◼   ► Yeah. This is a piece of performance art, right? This is not a real product.

00:39:32 ◼   ► No, they are gonna they have 99 of them and uh, you can buy it for like 100 grand.

00:39:37 ◼   ► No, they don't. No, they don't. It's this is all this is all fake. This is all this is all like like uh,

00:39:42 ◼   ► This is a real company. Like this is a real company. This is a real company. This is a

00:39:48 ◼   ► shell company oh here you go that is $5910 and there are 17 left it starts at that you can get

00:39:55 ◼   ► an iphone 11 pro max 512 gig for 7080 dollars why this is because people want these things so they

00:40:03 ◼   ► look different oh this is the company mqbhd did a video about one of their other yeah he did that

00:40:11 ◼   ► one of their gold ones and it's like 100 grand or something yeah we'll put that in the show notes

00:40:15 ◼   ► to... This is a real company, they do things, you know? Like, they're not necessarily good,

00:40:21 ◼   ► but they do them. Someone wants this, it's not us. Yeah, somebody does want this.

00:40:27 ◼   ► If anybody wants this, I think you should reconsider many things about the electronics

00:40:38 ◼   ► that you like, as you cannot possibly like this. If any of our listeners have ever purchased a

00:40:44 ◼   ► the caviar phone, just write in. We won't name you if you don't want to be named, but

00:40:48 ◼   ► like I'm just keen to understand.

00:40:50 ◼   ► No, no, I get like you got money to spend and you want to prove a point and you purchase

00:40:56 ◼   ► the, the what's it called? The cyber phone and you purchase the cyber phone case. Do

00:41:02 ◼   ► you actually like it or is it more like to prove a point? This is beyond me. This, this,

00:41:08 ◼   ► this whole thing I don't understand. It's like I'm looking into a black hole and I don't

00:41:13 ◼   ► understand what I'm looking at. I don't know.

00:41:15 ◼   ► Oh, they also do custom designs.

00:41:17 ◼   ► I am speechless.

00:41:19 ◼   ► They have like a web tool where you can build your own weird looking iPhones.

00:41:28 ◼   ► Go to constructor.

00:41:29 ◼   ► Wow, this is incredible.

00:41:32 ◼   ► There are a lot of options available in this. It's a thing, I guess, if you're like an oligarch,

00:41:37 ◼   ► you know?

00:41:38 ◼   ► Yeah, there's a market for that and they sure listen to Connected.

00:41:45 ◼   ► Or like a Saudi Prince or something like that.

00:41:47 ◼   ► We got that sweet, sweet oligarch audience in our follow up emails.

00:41:51 ◼   ► Oh, they also sell really expensive vape pens.

00:41:54 ◼   ► Sure, why not? I mean, why not, right? I mean, again, if you're a fan of this, of the Caviar

00:41:58 ◼   ► Royal Gift is the full name of the company. Sure, you're going to buy, I'm just looking

00:42:04 ◼   ► Now, the Grand Complications case.

00:42:08 ◼   ► Oh, so the Tobion on it?

00:42:11 ◼   ► This is the one that MKBHD, it was a version of this I think, that he looked at, but it

00:42:18 ◼   ► was one that was more expensive than the one that they're showing here on the website.

00:42:21 ◼   ► I mean, who wouldn't spend $1470 on the leather AirPods Pro case, right?

00:42:31 ◼   ► I mean, what's $1,500 for you, really? It's like $1.5.

00:42:37 ◼   ► They colour the AirPods too, if you want that.

00:42:39 ◼   ► Sure! I mean, if you're an oligarch, this is like...

00:42:43 ◼   ► We were talking about mods before. This is ultra-level mods, right?

00:42:47 ◼   ► Yeah, this is as big a mod as you can get.

00:42:50 ◼   ► Yeah, so the oligarch modder community, I'm sure they're all over this website.

00:42:58 ◼   ► Yeah, and the CyberPhone is the most... no, it's not the most expensive one. The most expensive one

00:43:03 ◼   ► is the iPhone 11 Pro Superior Jobs one with the t-shirt inside. Oh no, there's an even more...

00:43:10 ◼   ► Oh, there you go. You can get lost on this. Oh no, oh no, hold on. 76,000 dollars. Which is that one?

00:43:20 ◼   ► Universe 2 Diamond Gold iPhone case.

00:43:24 ◼   ► It's like...

00:43:25 ◼   ► No, I found another one.

00:43:26 ◼   ► $128,310.

00:43:29 ◼   ► The Credo Christmas Star.

00:43:31 ◼   ► It's a...

00:43:32 ◼   ► It's a...

00:43:32 ◼   ► It's a nativity...

00:43:33 ◼   ► It seems aggressive.

00:43:36 ◼   ► Did you say nativity, Steve?

00:43:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:43:38 ◼   ► Hey, you gotta get in the Christmas spirit, you know?

00:43:41 ◼   ► Oh, it's 140 grand if you get the Pro Max.

00:43:46 ◼   ► Sure.

00:43:48 ◼   ► Sure.

00:43:48 ◼   ► You know, just...

00:43:49 ◼   ► You know what?

00:43:50 ◼   ► you do you sure this is a thing that we now know exists like many other things

00:43:56 ◼   ► in the world we just need to accept it I've made my own design oh yeah I'm

00:44:01 ◼   ► gonna send this to you okay how much is it I don't know I gotta take a

00:44:05 ◼   ► screenshot of this so what you can't see in this screenshot is on the sides you

00:44:09 ◼   ► can include text and so one side it says connected and the other side it says

00:44:16 ◼   ► is really FM, just like imprinted.

00:44:18 ◼   ► So let me put this, let me get you a link here.

00:44:22 ◼   ► I will put this in the chat room so everyone can see it

00:44:25 ◼   ► and we can judge my creation.

00:44:27 ◼   ► It'll be in the show notes.

00:44:29 ◼   ► - I wonder if this is gonna be better or worse looking

00:44:31 ◼   ► than the Cyber

00:44:33 ◼   ► - Find the cost.

00:44:33 ◼   ► - Whoa, oh wow.

00:44:36 ◼   ► - Approximate cost $4,621.

00:44:40 ◼   ► - I mean honestly, what is this, a iPhone 11,

00:44:42 ◼   ► it's not that much different, I mean you might as well

00:44:44 ◼   ► just go for it, right?

00:44:45 ◼   ► Oh yeah, you went for the Fleur de l'Ornamente. Yeah, that's a nice touch. I'm familiar with

00:44:51 ◼   ► that.

00:44:52 ◼   ► Oh, the Armenian coat of arms. That's like a good...

00:44:54 ◼   ► Sure, sure.

00:44:55 ◼   ► Of all the coat of arms, that was the right one to go for.

00:44:56 ◼   ► The Armenian one is the good one, I hear.

00:44:58 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:44:59 ◼   ► Yeah, you want to make sure you get the Armenian coat of arms.

00:45:02 ◼   ► Big fan of the Kardashians, if Steven is.

00:45:05 ◼   ► Who?

00:45:06 ◼   ► Yeah, the four... You got the Forza plate.

00:45:08 ◼   ► Oh, the Forza plate. Good work.

00:45:09 ◼   ► And it's seven micron. Yeah, because I've seen some people get the, like, the eight

00:45:15 ◼   ► micron, but with the microns you want to get as small as possible, so like if you can get

00:45:19 ◼   ► the six micron version, that's going to be even better. And this is the Caviar Atelier

00:45:24 ◼   ► version, so extra fancy Steven, look at you. And I put my Twitter handle in there so if

00:45:30 ◼   ► I leave it at the gym they know how to get in touch with me. Yeah, that's good. Sure.

00:45:35 ◼   ► This is a, you Michael, you have ruined my existence with this. This is literally the

00:45:43 ◼   ► the worst thing you could have ever done to me, this website.

00:45:46 ◼   ► Anytime.

00:45:47 ◼   ► What, because now you're going to go buy something?

00:45:50 ◼   ► Well, actually I want to call them.

00:45:51 ◼   ► They have a hotline that I can call.

00:45:53 ◼   ► They have a hotline?

00:45:54 ◼   ► There's a number at the bottom.

00:45:57 ◼   ► You can call them.

00:45:58 ◼   ► Or you can WhatsApp and Viber them.

00:46:00 ◼   ► I'm going to Viber them.

00:46:02 ◼   ► You're going to Viber them?

00:46:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:05 ◼   ► You can give them your contact information.

00:46:09 ◼   ► They will contact you about creating this phone.

00:46:10 ◼   ► I'm giving them Myke's phone number.

00:46:12 ◼   ► Great. Good. It's what I deserve. All right. Submit an order, leave the contact details

00:46:20 ◼   ► and the personal manager will calculate the exact cost and due date for you. Your email

00:46:25 ◼   ► will be sent price and details with the selected options. Can you pay by check? Probably. You

00:46:31 ◼   ► need to pay $70,000 with a credit card. I'm not sure I have that monthly capacity. You

00:46:39 ◼   ► You gotta get the Apple card.

00:46:41 ◼   ► Okay, that's that.

00:46:43 ◼   ► Alright, let's take a break and we'll regroup and we'll keep moving through these topics.

00:46:49 ◼   ► I need to take a shower after this.

00:46:51 ◼   ► Okay, you go do that.

00:46:52 ◼   ► Bye.

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00:48:12 ◼   ► I built one.

00:48:13 ◼   ► So I'm going to put it in the chat room.

00:48:17 ◼   ► I'll put it in the show notes too so everyone can see the fund that I built while you were

00:48:21 ◼   ► reading the ad.

00:48:24 ◼   ► So there you go.

00:48:25 ◼   ► That's that one.

00:48:26 ◼   ► my special design that I have made based upon the options that were presented and available to me.

00:48:32 ◼   ► What do you think? It is...

00:48:35 ◼   ► So I've made the I love cars model where I've made a black phone which has both a Ferrari badge and

00:48:44 ◼   ► a Mercedes badge on it and then just to make it very clear to people I have a nameplate that says

00:48:50 ◼   ► I love cars. The left engraving says "speed" and the right engraving says "room" on it.

00:48:57 ◼   ► So people know. Did a car put together this case? Because this...

00:49:03 ◼   ► What's the cost, Myke? Oh, I haven't found out the cost yet. Find the cost. $5,230.

00:49:14 ◼   ► you are really driving home the point that you are a car person.

00:49:20 ◼   ► Yes, I'm a big car boy. You totally are not overcompensating for your

00:49:25 ◼   ► lack of knowledge about cars. Or ownership of a car.

00:49:28 ◼   ► Or ownership of a vehicle. I don't need to own a vehicle because I love cars this much.

00:49:34 ◼   ► I almost, I don't want to subject a car to being driving around because I love them too bad.

00:49:40 ◼   ► Put wheels on this case and just slide around London.

00:49:43 ◼   ► I was just genuinely really excited that they had any car badges and then the fact that you could put two

00:49:50 ◼   ► was just hilarious to me. I can have two car badges. I can have a Range Rover badge. It's great.

00:49:55 ◼   ► This is so good. I'm so happy this thing exists and I look forward to seeing all of the creations

00:50:01 ◼   ► with Connected Audience. You should share them with us on Twitter.

00:50:04 ◼   ► What have we done? Why?

00:50:05 ◼   ► We've done a good thing and I hope that somebody accidentally buys one. That's what I really hope.

00:50:11 ◼   ► Considering they have to email you to order it. I don't think you can accidentally it's like you trip over the pay with Apple pay button

00:50:17 ◼   ► moving on

00:50:18 ◼   ► Finally Swift playgrounds has made it to the Mac the Mac can now develop software guys. This is huge

00:50:25 ◼   ► That's guys great news. It's great news. It is great news it seems that it is

00:50:30 ◼   ► Built with Mac catalyst which it is built my catalyst the irony of this is amazing

00:50:38 ◼   ► Why? That it's not Xcode for the iPad, but it's a development app written for the iPad that came back on the Mac where Xcode lives

00:50:45 ◼   ► but with Mac Catalyst and not as like a... It is funny that the only

00:50:49 ◼   ► cross-platform development tool that Apple's ever shipped is

00:50:52 ◼   ► Swift Playgrounds. Like that's just like a fun thing. It's not what we would have guessed. Yeah, right?

00:50:57 ◼   ► No, no Xcode for the iPad. Swift Playgrounds on the Mac. Here you go

00:51:01 ◼   ► Because people were thinking Xcode for the iPad would exist. Mm-hmm. The year that Swift Playgrounds

00:51:08 ◼   ► I remember John Voorhees, that's probably not his real name, says that it's a friendly,

00:51:13 ◼   ► easy to use environment for experimenting with Swift ideas and concepts, and the lessons

00:51:17 ◼   ► available are excellent.

00:51:19 ◼   ► It's a funny timing.

00:51:22 ◼   ► I assume it's just the Swift Playgrounds team have probably been working on this since the

00:51:26 ◼   ► tools became available to them.

00:51:28 ◼   ► I like that they've done it.

00:51:29 ◼   ► I think it's just a good thing.

00:51:30 ◼   ► Like Apple should be making Mac catalyst apps, if anything, so the teams inside of Apple

00:51:35 ◼   ► can also provide useful feedback to the Mac Catalyst, whoever is available, like, responsible

00:51:42 ◼   ► for Mac Catalyst, right? This is the term "dogfooding", which I do not like, because

00:51:47 ◼   ► I don't understand why it's called that, but I don't like it. Don't need the explanation,

00:51:53 ◼   ► no explanation is good enough. Just, this is, this is Apple kind of like putting their

00:51:57 ◼   ► money where their mouth is, really, and I think that's kind of cool.

00:52:00 ◼   ► So you don't want me to read the Wikipedia page for dogfooding?

00:52:03 ◼   ► You might as well read it now to try and stop the people that have opened Twitter to tell

00:52:06 ◼   ► me.

00:52:08 ◼   ► Under origin of the term, in 2006, the editor of IE Software recounted that in the 1970s

00:52:15 ◼   ► television ads for Alpo dog food, Lauren Green pointed that he fed Alpo to his own dogs.

00:52:22 ◼   ► Another possible origin he remembers is from the president of CalCannedPetFood, who was

00:52:28 ◼   ► said to eat a can of his dog food at shareholder meetings.

00:52:32 ◼   ► What a weirdo.

00:52:33 ◼   ► All of that is completely unacceptable is the reason for why this became the term in

00:52:39 ◼   ► software development.

00:52:40 ◼   ► Well, let me read the next paragraph, Myke.

00:52:41 ◼   ► In 1988, Microsoft manager Paul Meritz sent Brian Valentine, a test manager for the Microsoft

00:52:47 ◼   ► Land Manager software, an email titled "Eating our own dog food," challenging him to increase

00:52:52 ◼   ► internal usage of the company's product.

00:52:55 ◼   ► From there, the usage of the term spread to the company.

00:52:57 ◼   ► Why didn't he just say, "Let's use our own software"?

00:53:00 ◼   ► Well, he wanted to be edgy because it was 1988 and everyone was hopped up on cocaine.

00:53:03 ◼   ► So that's where it came from.

00:53:05 ◼   ► Why didn't he just say like, get high on our own supply then?

00:53:09 ◼   ► Mm.

00:53:10 ◼   ► So anyways, 19--

00:53:11 ◼   ► I'm just unhappy with that phrase.

00:53:12 ◼   ► It's a very 1980s Microsoft thing.

00:53:14 ◼   ► Can we just agree on that?

00:53:16 ◼   ► So anyways--

00:53:17 ◼   ► Developers, developers, developers.

00:53:18 ◼   ► That was the 90s.

00:53:19 ◼   ► All right, so we want to talk some about Apple News.

00:53:23 ◼   ► This is one of those things that got pushed last week because, well, if you listen to

00:53:27 ◼   ► last week's episode, you know that--

00:53:28 ◼   ► Real time follow up!

00:53:29 ◼   ► Wait, no, I needed to say a thing about Zwift Playgrounds on the Mac.

00:53:32 ◼   ► Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Let's let the Mac expert speak, please.

00:53:35 ◼   ► Yeah, I was out, no, I was still thinking about Myke's car case. It's so good.

00:53:40 ◼   ► You've been building your own. Is that what you've been?

00:53:43 ◼   ► I was taking a look at the picture and I was trying to imagine, like, what was the thought

00:53:47 ◼   ► process behind putting two car logos on it. It's perfect. It is, you have achieved perfection

00:53:53 ◼   ► with this case.

00:53:54 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:53:55 ◼   ► Swift Playgrounds on the Mac. At this point it feels pretty obvious that there's one

00:54:02 ◼   ► piece missing from this structure that Apple has and that would be Xcode on the iPad, because

00:54:08 ◼   ► we have more or less platform unity everywhere. We have Swift Playgrounds on the iPad, Swift

00:54:17 ◼   ► Playgrounds on the Mac, Xcode on the Mac, and now Xcode on the iPad. And so I believe,

00:54:24 ◼   ► And I think I mentioned this, actually with John on App Stories, or last week or a couple

00:54:29 ◼   ► of weeks ago, that I could see a scenario where Xcode does come to the iPad, eventually.

00:54:36 ◼   ► Maybe this year? I really think it should be this year. We've been talking about it

00:54:40 ◼   ► for a while now, but this year feels like a good moment. But really, I could see a scenario

00:54:45 ◼   ► where it is Xcode, and it does let you create apps, and it lets you sideload apps on your

00:54:53 ◼   ► so you have a sort of an end-to-end solution to write apps on the iPad and run them on the physical device, not in a simulator.

00:55:02 ◼   ► But I could see why, and I'm gonna, you know, some people may be upset at this notion,

00:55:09 ◼   ► make Xcode Swift only. And by that I mean Swift code and SwiftUI code.

00:55:15 ◼   ► So no interface builder, no Objective-C, all in on Swift and SwiftUI.

00:55:20 ◼   ► UI. And you can see the Apple pitch be like, "For the next generation of coders, we want

00:55:26 ◼   ► to have a clean break." Well, they're not going to say that, but the message will be

00:55:29 ◼   ► that. It's a future-proof product built for future technologies, and that would be Swift

00:55:35 ◼   ► and SwiftUI. So no interface builder on the iPad, which would be complicated. I mean,

00:55:40 ◼   ► it's an iPad, so it doesn't have the screen real estate of a Mac or an iMac or an external

00:55:45 ◼   ► So doing away with Interface Builder would help with that, and to have SwiftUI code and

00:55:52 ◼   ► just Swift would remove a ton of baggage from the existing product.

00:55:57 ◼   ► I could see Apple doing something like that.

00:55:59 ◼   ► And it wouldn't be a simplified version of Xcode.

00:56:01 ◼   ► Like it would be a modernized version of Xcode, because you could see all—it's not like,

00:56:06 ◼   ► "Yeah, it's Xcode, but you can actually write real software."

00:56:09 ◼   ► No, because we've seen new apps and existing apps implement Swift, implement SwiftUI.

00:56:15 ◼   ► So it would be the real Xcode, and you should be able to write actual apps and write commercial

00:56:22 ◼   ► apps with it. It just wouldn't have any of the old stuff.

00:56:26 ◼   ► So it would be an easy way at least to, I guess, slim it down if they wanted to do that.

00:56:34 ◼   ► But it would be also a bit of a cop-out as well, right? Like, wouldn't it be more impressive

00:56:41 ◼   ► if they could say like...

00:56:42 ◼   ► It's the full thing, yes.

00:56:44 ◼   ► I agree. I agree. But I don't know, it would be an Apple move, you know, to remove certain

00:56:53 ◼   ► features and be like "no, no, this is the real thing, but it's for a new generation

00:56:59 ◼   ► of programmers." You know, it wouldn't be unusual, is what I'm saying. But yes, I agree.

00:57:04 ◼   ► I would very much prefer to have the full thing, like it's a one-to-one port, just like

00:57:08 ◼   ► Swift Playgrounds on the Mac. I mean, it's lacking a YARK kit for obvious reasons, but

00:57:13 ◼   ► otherwise they managed to have a more or less full version of Playgrounds on the Mac.

00:57:20 ◼   ► So it's also a good message. Like, I feel like the past couple of weeks we've seen

00:57:24 ◼   ► Apple try to change the conversation around Catalyst, which is another point that I wanted

00:57:29 ◼   ► to make. First with the changes in 13.4 and then the other beta versions, and now leading

00:57:36 ◼   ► by example with porting Swift Playgrounds to the Mac using Catalyst. It feels like in

00:57:42 ◼   ► the span of a couple of weeks, the overall conversation around Catalyst has changed,

00:57:49 ◼   ► at least a little, with all these improvements and now Apple demonstrating how a complex

00:57:54 ◼   ► app can be ported to the Mac using Catalyst, which I was not expecting. Sorry, Stephen,

00:58:01 ◼   ► you can go ahead with Apple News now.

00:58:02 ◼   ► Let's talk about Apple news. So there was a story in Bloomberg last week that the head of business

00:58:08 ◼   ► for Apple's news app stepped down after

00:58:12 ◼   ► I think what we can all say being a kind of lackluster launch year for Apple news plus

00:58:19 ◼   ► The executive his name is Liz

00:58:22 ◼   ► Mmm, I should have seen it

00:58:25 ◼   ► Smell smile smile. It's like smile and see

00:58:28 ◼   ► Skymell skymell skymell skymell

00:58:32 ◼   ► Anyways, they are outgoing they joined in mid 2018 of coming over from

00:58:37 ◼   ► huge publisher Conde Nast so pretty short run at Apple and

00:58:42 ◼   ► Of course Apple didn't comment

00:58:45 ◼   ► This is from sources their job was to oversee relationships with advertisers and news publishers

00:58:51 ◼   ► Which remember from the news plus launch as a big conversation about some?

00:58:56 ◼   ► Publishers just weren't gonna do it or they weren't happy with the terms

00:58:59 ◼   ► And I don't know it really kind of spun up a bunch of ideas for me around Apple News and Apple News Plus

00:59:05 ◼   ► But let's start with this. Do we find this news?

00:59:08 ◼   ► surprising

00:59:10 ◼   ► not really I

00:59:12 ◼   ► don't think it's

00:59:13 ◼   ► it's surprising at all and and

00:59:15 ◼   ► We've talked about Apple News before just to sort of reiterate my my opinion of it

00:59:21 ◼   ► I think it's a bad deal for publishers the

00:59:25 ◼   ► There's two problems to this approach from the publisher side. You're giving up too much control

00:59:31 ◼   ► for to get essentially in return what exposure on a service that

00:59:37 ◼   ► isn't really meant for

00:59:40 ◼   ► You know promoting individual stories and I'm referring to news plus it was a product that was designed

00:59:46 ◼   ► for the magazine and newspaper experience and Apple has tried to try and break it down to

00:59:53 ◼   ► being able to have it be a little more modular in the sense of promoting individual stories, promoting individual articles.

01:00:00 ◼   ► But really it is meant to give you access to magazines and most of them

01:00:04 ◼   ► they do not take advantage of the native format that led to

01:00:09 ◼   ► actually

01:00:11 ◼   ► let people browse your magazine by sections or by stories. So you're giving up too much control

01:00:18 ◼   ► to be on a service that is very much designed for an older generation of users.

01:00:23 ◼   ► If you don't want to, if you do want to go after the new generation of users and use the proprietary Apple News format

01:00:29 ◼   ► syntax, that's a lot of work.

01:00:32 ◼   ► It's a lot of work to make it happen for your CMS and even, and we mentioned this last week, even if you have a

01:00:37 ◼   ► CMS plugin, it is not guaranteed to work well, and it's not guaranteed to get updates that frequently. So

01:00:44 ◼   ► You keep stacking one problem on top of the other. So you have the magazine experience

01:00:50 ◼   ► which is not really well designed for a web-first publication.

01:00:54 ◼   ► And then you have the custom syntax and this ecosystem of plugins that may be broken or may be slightly updated.

01:01:00 ◼   ► And then you have the fact that if you want to have a good integration you gotta write it yourself.

01:01:06 ◼   ► So there's the cost of supporting syntax and a publishing system that only works on Apple News. Where? And this is where

01:01:13 ◼   ► I guess the Americans would say the buck stops, maybe. You're not really making that much

01:01:19 ◼   ► money from it. Like, it's like, where the nickel stops. Yes. Like, why go through all

01:01:26 ◼   ► this trouble and all these, consider all these little issues, not so little issues actually,

01:01:33 ◼   ► and inconsistencies and complications for what? To get like less than 50% when you account

01:01:39 ◼   ► for all your costs and expenses. I don't know if Apple News+ can be saved. I've seen some

01:01:48 ◼   ► people speculate that it should just become part of an Apple service bundle. And that

01:01:53 ◼   ► I would be inclined to support. Like, yes, maybe that's a way to save Apple News+. Maybe

01:01:57 ◼   ► that's a way, there's a way for publishers to make some money off of that. But it feels

01:02:04 ◼   ► like all the excitement surrounding Apple News+ has essentially dried down very quickly

01:02:10 ◼   ► since it launched last spring. And if you're a publisher, I'm guessing that you're maybe

01:02:16 ◼   ► better served by rolling your own thing. If you're the New York Times or the Wall Street

01:02:22 ◼   ► Journal, you have your own subscriptions, you can make your own deals, and you can fully

01:02:26 ◼   ► control your CMS. You don't have to... These proprietary news services, they come and go

01:02:32 ◼   ► all the time and it's sort of sad to see that NewsPlus may be just another one in the mix.

01:02:39 ◼   ► The business model that these services seem to provide now is not really needed. This was maybe

01:02:47 ◼   ► a business model needed many years ago, but as Apple is seeing and as is even reported in the

01:02:54 ◼   ► story, many of the larger publishers have worked this out for themselves. Like, this is almost like

01:03:02 ◼   ► like a reverse of what is happening to companies like Netflix where all of these companies

01:03:10 ◼   ► had joined in to allow their content to be streamed on streaming services but now they've

01:03:15 ◼   ► all realised that the money is actually creating their own service so they're slowly unbundling

01:03:21 ◼   ► themselves from companies like Netflix. Netflix obviously worked this out a long time ago,

01:03:25 ◼   ► they have their own content, blah blah blah blah. But my point is I actually now don't

01:03:29 ◼   ► think that any of these news aggravators could have ever worked no matter how soon they came

01:03:34 ◼   ► into it because they're able because these companies are able to roll their own and be

01:03:39 ◼   ► successful with it because as we've said many times even on this very episode you are able

01:03:44 ◼   ► to make more money if you're not being put into a pool because why hope to get a sliver

01:03:52 ◼   ► of $5 a month from Apple News Plus if you can maybe get $3 from your customers directly.

01:04:02 ◼   ► And that's what all of these services are doing.

01:04:05 ◼   ► So like, really, I just don't think this is something Apple can pull off.

01:04:10 ◼   ► I think this is one of those situations where they get lost in the hubris of thinking, "Well,

01:04:15 ◼   ► we're Apple, so why wouldn't you want to work with us?"

01:04:19 ◼   ► I was like, well, because your value proposition just cannot be good enough.

01:04:22 ◼   ► Like it's nothing to do with them.

01:04:24 ◼   ► It just cannot be good enough.

01:04:26 ◼   ► Now, you know, there might be a way that, like, as you say, if they bundle it in

01:04:29 ◼   ► for another service, carve out a little bit of money from each of those

01:04:33 ◼   ► subscribers instead, you might be able to make more money overall.

01:04:36 ◼   ► Right.

01:04:37 ◼   ► Like, I bet if they were to, you know, create a new bundle, which include Apple

01:04:42 ◼   ► news, iCloud, like the bundle we've always expected, right.

01:04:45 ◼   ► the Apple News, Apple Arcade, Apple TV Plus, iCloud Bundle, if they were to carve off like

01:04:53 ◼   ► 2% of the value of those subscribers and put it into Apple News Plus, they'd probably make

01:04:58 ◼   ► more money that way. So like maybe that's a better value proposition for trying to convince

01:05:03 ◼   ► publishers, right? To just be like, well now the overall Apple News part is worth this

01:05:09 ◼   ► much to you, rather than what it was when we were just trying to take it out of individual

01:05:14 ◼   ► subscribers $5 a month. So maybe that can give it a boost, but I really just don't think

01:05:21 ◼   ► that enough publishers are going to want to get on board with this. It just doesn't for

01:05:25 ◼   ► it to make sense for anybody. And if the content isn't there and the subscribers aren't there,

01:05:30 ◼   ► then then it doesn't it just doesn't work. I had asked people on Twitter for their opinions,

01:05:36 ◼   ► people who are using and liking Apple news plus. And I got a bunch of stuff that I just

01:05:41 ◼   ► to share. Lots of people mentioned keeping it for access to sources like

01:05:46 ◼   ► the Washington Post or the Wall Street Journal. Those papers and others provide

01:05:50 ◼   ► content to News Plus, but it's not necessarily everything and you can't log

01:05:56 ◼   ► into their website with like a News Plus login, so if they have their own pay

01:06:00 ◼   ► wallet it's separate, but people who just wanted some of their content they were

01:06:03 ◼   ► happy with that. A lot of people mentioned that they may or their

01:06:07 ◼   ► families because this part of family sharing you can get this content for a

01:06:13 ◼   ► lot cheaper than if paying if you're paying for two or three magazines on

01:06:17 ◼   ► their own which makes a lot of sense you can bundle the cost some people are

01:06:21 ◼   ► getting all their news from Apple news and so that you know having just

01:06:24 ◼   ► additional content in there they like and all that said a lot of people had

01:06:29 ◼   ► complaints about the UI the fact that a lot of magazines are just PDFs very

01:06:33 ◼   ► cool like you said the Apple news format is tricky and expensive to work with

01:06:36 ◼   ► sharing and saving for later. Also pain points. Someone mentioned that I tried to download some

01:06:43 ◼   ► magazines to read on my iPad on a flight and it didn't work and I didn't have anything to read.

01:06:47 ◼   ► That's that's a bummer. So that offline viewing is a space for additional work. But there are

01:06:53 ◼   ► people who are out there using it, even if it's not just for us. And I think especially if you're

01:06:57 ◼   ► already reading two or three magazines, or people in your family are, it's a pretty good deal. And

01:07:03 ◼   ► And so if you fall into that category

01:07:05 ◼   ► and you're willing to put up with the downsides,

01:07:07 ◼   ► it's still a legitimate product.

01:07:09 ◼   ► But I think it's clear it's missed the mark for most people.

01:07:12 ◼   ► And I can't imagine that Apple is happy with the reception of it

01:07:15 ◼   ► so far.

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01:08:24 ◼   ► All right, so we wanted to end the show

01:08:27 ◼   ► by talking about things that we are enjoying

01:08:31 ◼   ► and we sort of put some limitations on it

01:08:33 ◼   ► that it's not Apple stuff.

01:08:34 ◼   ► So it can be tech or it cannot be tech,

01:08:36 ◼   ► but it's some things that we have found enjoyable

01:08:39 ◼   ► so far this year.

01:08:41 ◼   ► Federico, do you wanna go first?

01:08:42 ◼   ► - So I really wanted to have this topic this week

01:08:46 ◼   ► because I need to talk about something

01:08:48 ◼   ► that Myke will appreciate,

01:08:49 ◼   ► but you will have no idea what I'm talking about, Stephen.

01:08:51 ◼   ► - Oh boy.

01:08:52 ◼   ► - And I think Myke knows what I'm about to mention.

01:08:53 ◼   ► - Oh my God, I know what he's gonna do.

01:08:56 ◼   ► This is hilarious. Federico proposed this topic, then didn't write any notes in the

01:09:00 ◼   ► document because he really wants an outlet for this right now and he knows Steven wouldn't

01:09:05 ◼   ► usually let him do it. So Federico, would you like to talk about Pokemon Home?

01:09:09 ◼   ► Yes, thank you Myke! So, it is a tech product because it is a web service, it is an Android

01:09:19 ◼   ► and iOS app. And it actually, if you pay for the... So, hold on. Pokemon Home is a new

01:09:25 ◼   ► cloud service from Nintendo to let you store Pokemon in the cloud that you can then transfer

01:09:30 ◼   ► between games.

01:09:31 ◼   ► What a great phrase!

01:09:32 ◼   ► To store your Pokemon in the cloud.

01:09:34 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:09:35 ◼   ► It's a cloud service to store your Pokemon and transfer them between different games.

01:09:39 ◼   ► Mostly the idea would be to get old Pokemon into the latest Switch games, which Steven

01:09:46 ◼   ► are called Pokemon Sword and Shield.

01:09:49 ◼   ► Now Pokemon Home has a free tier, but also has a premium version with a bunch more features,

01:09:54 ◼   ► And the premium version actually uses the Apple native renewable subscriptions.

01:10:00 ◼   ► I signed up for the premium plan last night and I sure enough was an iTunes subscription,

01:10:04 ◼   ► so that's nice.

01:10:06 ◼   ► So Pokémon Home is amazing for a bunch of reasons, but really I'm gonna try to simplify

01:10:12 ◼   ► here.

01:10:13 ◼   ► It's the only way right now to bring your old Pokémon into the Switch games.

01:10:20 ◼   ► At least some of them.

01:10:22 ◼   ► But really the appeal of Pokémon Home is that you can, and I've seen people have

01:10:27 ◼   ► already done this, you can register, you can transfer Pokémon from the old GameCube games

01:10:38 ◼   ► or the Gameboy Advance games.

01:10:41 ◼   ► We're talking here about 15 years, 17 years worth of retro compatibility.

01:10:49 ◼   ► It really is kind of incredible.

01:10:52 ◼   ► It's very difficult to do this. So to get a Pokémon from a Gameboy Advance game to

01:10:59 ◼   ► Pokémon Home requires many old systems.

01:11:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:05 ◼   ► But it is possible to do.

01:11:06 ◼   ► Here's why I believe Steven will appreciate this. Those old games are running on the Nintendo

01:11:12 ◼   ► GameCube or the Gameboy Advance, which launched, really the Gameboy Advance came out in 2001,

01:11:17 ◼   ► if you think about it. It's really old. And of course the GameCube and the GBA are very

01:11:22 ◼   ► limited if at all, online integration. And back then, if you wanted to transfer Pokémon

01:11:29 ◼   ► between games, you had to use these custom cables that were not even USB cables, they

01:11:34 ◼   ► were like Nintendo cables, they were called the Link Trade cables. And you could do this

01:11:40 ◼   ► crazy setup with connecting a Game Boy Advance to a GameCube and have two screens at the

01:11:47 ◼   ► same time. It was wild. But what Nintendo did is fascinating here, because if you transfer...

01:11:55 ◼   ► So you have a Game Boy, and the Game Boy does not go online at all, doesn't have the internet,

01:12:00 ◼   ► the Game Boy Advance. But what Nintendo did when they launched the DS, so the original

01:12:05 ◼   ► Nintendo DS had retro compatibility. So in addition to playing Nintendo DS games, the

01:12:13 ◼   ► DS also had a GBA slot, so it supported Game Boy Advance cartridges. And so what

01:12:20 ◼   ► Nintendo did, if you had an old Game Boy game inside the GBA slot and you

01:12:26 ◼   ► were playing one of the Pokemon games for the Nintendo DS, the DS game could

01:12:32 ◼   ► see the cartridge and it could let you transfer those Pokemon from the GBA to

01:12:37 ◼   ► the Nintendo DS. Now, the Nintendo DS does go online, and so Nintendo years ago

01:12:43 ◼   ► launched this other original web service called Pokemon Bank, which is like the

01:12:48 ◼   ► predecessor of Pokemon Home. So what they were able to do now with Pokemon Home,

01:12:54 ◼   ► they have full compatibility with Pokemon Bank. They have restored the

01:12:59 ◼   ► Pokemon Bank service, which you can now use for 30 days for free. If you want to

01:13:04 ◼   ► transfer all your old Pokemon, you better hurry, because in theory it's free for 30

01:13:08 ◼   ► days. So you can get all those Pokemon that maybe you caught in the days of the GameCube

01:13:16 ◼   ► and through some steps, and there's YouTube videos that maybe there's one of them that

01:13:20 ◼   ► Myke or Steven you should put in the, Myke has the link, so please put it in the notes

01:13:24 ◼   ► because it's so fascinating. You can transfer them from the GameCube to the GBA, from the

01:13:31 ◼   ► GBA to the Nintendo DS, from the Nintendo DS to the original Pokemon Bank Service, and

01:13:37 ◼   ► from the Pokemon Bank service, you can go to the 3DS, which is the successor to the

01:13:42 ◼   ► DS, and then from there you can put them in Pokemon Home. And from Pokemon Home, if you

01:13:47 ◼   ► want to, you can transfer them into the Switch games. So we're talking here four, five generations

01:13:56 ◼   ► of consoles that now have some basic form of transfer between them for pieces of data,

01:14:05 ◼   ► if you think about it, the Pokémon is essentially a piece of data with the code and some abilities

01:14:09 ◼   ► and it's like... it's a piece of data that can travel sort of like in time from the days

01:14:15 ◼   ► of the GameCube and the GBA all the way to Pokémon Home now. And I think it's just incredible

01:14:20 ◼   ► that you can do this. And it's complicated, it gets complicated if you want to do this

01:14:24 ◼   ► whole thing. You will need cables and old original hardware, but you can do it. And

01:14:30 ◼   ► In fact, I am doing it. I still have my GBA and I have my Nintendo DS and the 3DS. I don't

01:14:36 ◼   ► have a GameCube. But I was able, for example, to get my Pikachu mic from Pokémon Yellow.

01:14:47 ◼   ► So this is the virtual console version of Pokémon Yellow, of course, that I had on

01:14:53 ◼   ► the 3DS. That Pikachu is now in my Pokémon home and I can transfer to Pokémon Sword

01:14:59 ◼   ► - And how did you do that?

01:15:01 ◼   ► Like, so you went from--

01:15:02 ◼   ► - On the 3DS, so on the 3DS,

01:15:04 ◼   ► there's a, Nintendo made this utility

01:15:08 ◼   ► called PokeTransfer.

01:15:11 ◼   ► And PokeTransfer is basic, emulates what the DS was doing.

01:15:15 ◼   ► It recognizes if you have virtual console games installed

01:15:19 ◼   ► on your device, and it says, okay,

01:15:22 ◼   ► do you wanna take these Pokemon

01:15:23 ◼   ► from these virtual console games,

01:15:24 ◼   ► and you wanna put them in Pokemon Bank?

01:15:26 ◼   ► And then from there you just do the bank to home transfer.

01:15:30 ◼   ► - So I have to get my 3DS now.

01:15:32 ◼   ► - Get your 3DS.

01:15:33 ◼   ► - Download PokeTransfer. - PokeTransfer and Pokemon Bank.

01:15:37 ◼   ► You can find them on the eShop.

01:15:38 ◼   ► Pokemon Bank you can use for free for 30 days again.

01:15:42 ◼   ► And then you just go from there.

01:15:44 ◼   ► It's really remarkable to have.

01:15:46 ◼   ► And it's so unusual because, you know,

01:15:49 ◼   ► most of the time video game companies,

01:15:50 ◼   ► they don't care about backwards compatibility.

01:15:54 ◼   ► but this is like next level.

01:15:57 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean there are a lot of like issues with this which isn't perfect, right?

01:16:02 ◼   ► And people are upset about it and like some ways are wild, some ways I do actually do

01:16:07 ◼   ► understand but just the idea that this exists, like we need to step back and realise how

01:16:15 ◼   ► incredible it is that Nintendo and the Pokémon company are enabling this kind of thing because

01:16:21 ◼   ► It's wholly unnecessary, but amazing.

01:16:27 ◼   ► Yeah, and just to give you a frame of reference here,

01:16:30 ◼   ► Pokémon Colosseum, which was an Nintendo GameCube game,

01:16:34 ◼   ► came out in Europe and America in 2004.

01:16:38 ◼   ► So that's a 16-year-old game that, in theory--

01:16:43 ◼   ► I mean, in practice, you can, if you have the proper equipment,

01:16:46 ◼   ► you can transfer data from that game all the way

01:16:49 ◼   ► to your iPhone with the Pokemon Home app or to your Nintendo Switch. Which is, frankly,

01:16:56 ◼   ► it's just, it's a remarkable technical achievement. So that was my pick.

01:17:01 ◼   ► I'm very pleased that we got to talk about that for a minute.

01:17:05 ◼   ► Steven. I mean, you can appreciate the backward compatibility aspect. Come on. No. Just nothing.

01:17:13 ◼   ► It's gone. All right.

01:17:15 ◼   ► Or just muted.

01:17:16 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:17:17 ◼   ► Steven, are you actually there?

01:17:23 ◼   ► It's not anymore.

01:17:24 ◼   ► Did he leave?

01:17:25 ◼   ► Did he leave?

01:17:26 ◼   ► Oh, hey guys.

01:17:34 ◼   ► Did you leave?

01:17:35 ◼   ► I don't want to answer that.

01:17:37 ◼   ► Oh, wow.

01:17:38 ◼   ► That's next level.

01:17:39 ◼   ► I'm really sad.

01:17:40 ◼   ► The disrespect.

01:17:41 ◼   ► The disrespect.

01:17:42 ◼   ► I'm gonna hear it in the edit.

01:17:44 ◼   ► Wow, he did leave!

01:17:46 ◼   ► Wow! And I was trying to break it down for you and to... because there was an aspect that I

01:17:51 ◼   ► That I thought you would appreciate. I'm very sad.

01:17:54 ◼   ► Myke, you're up.

01:17:55 ◼   ► I want to talk about some pouches that I purchased to make my packing a lot better

01:18:02 ◼   ► So I...

01:18:04 ◼   ► Do Pokemon go in them?

01:18:05 ◼   ► We're not talking to you about Pokemon anymore. You can stay out of this.

01:18:08 ◼   ► That the what I went with was two

01:18:12 ◼   ► Well, I have three total but two different types of pouches from Bellroy

01:18:16 ◼   ► Which is a company that we've spoken about in the past before Federico bought some cases. Do you still use the bar?

01:18:22 ◼   ► Okay, so oh, yeah, I have it on right now. Like this is the one with a wallet in the back, right? Yes

01:18:27 ◼   ► all right, so I went and bought these little pouches because

01:18:31 ◼   ► Travel enough and I have like a full like kit of travel stuff

01:18:38 ◼   ► Sometimes I take a carry-on, sometimes I take a backpack.

01:18:41 ◼   ► It depends on if I'm going away for maybe like a longer trip or a weekend or whatever.

01:18:45 ◼   ► And I was finding myself like...

01:18:47 ◼   ► being frustrated at having to try and get things out of separate pockets and you know,

01:18:52 ◼   ► like I was trying to be organized but the organization made it more difficult for me

01:18:55 ◼   ► to move from thing to thing. So I decided that I would get pouches and move this stuff around.

01:19:01 ◼   ► This is after watching many YouTube videos from Chase Reeves who makes this the best bag videos

01:19:07 ◼   ► and Chase is always talking about having this type of stuff and he really heavily recommended

01:19:12 ◼   ► a lot of the Belroy packing products so that's what I went with. So the tech pouch and the

01:19:18 ◼   ► other tech kit and the classic pouch, these are the two that I went with. The tech kit

01:19:23 ◼   ► is like a brick basically and you can fill it up and it has some organization in it and

01:19:28 ◼   ► I thought I would also run through what I'm keeping in each of these because I thought

01:19:32 ◼   ► that might be of interest to people. So in my tech kit I have my ZMI power pack. If you're

01:19:38 ◼   ► long time listeners of the show may remember this as the battery bank that was really exciting

01:19:43 ◼   ► and then I bought one and then nobody else could ever buy one. But it's there. I still

01:19:49 ◼   ► use mine. That thing lasts forever. Like you need to charge it. That thing is like very

01:19:54 ◼   ► serious. It's like sure it drove the company bankrupt but for a beautiful moment in time.

01:20:01 ◼   ► It is really good.

01:20:03 ◼   ► I have an Apple Watch cable, a lightning cable, a micro USB cable.

01:20:07 ◼   ► I have a US 18 watt USB-C iPhone charger.

01:20:11 ◼   ► This was the one that came with the Pro Max because Stephen got me that phone by surprise

01:20:17 ◼   ► during the podcastathon.

01:20:19 ◼   ► But this one doesn't have like, as some US chargers do, where you can take the little

01:20:26 ◼   ► part off.

01:20:27 ◼   ► Stephen, what is that called when you can like take the little part off of the power

01:20:30 ◼   ► The duck head.

01:20:32 ◼   ► Duck head. It doesn't have one of those.

01:20:34 ◼   ► It's actually built into it like a big block.

01:20:36 ◼   ► But it's a good one to have.

01:20:38 ◼   ► And then I also have a 10 watt

01:20:40 ◼   ► iPhone charger that has

01:20:42 ◼   ► the removable adapters like the duck

01:20:44 ◼   ► heads. So that one I just

01:20:46 ◼   ► have and I don't have anything plugged into it.

01:20:48 ◼   ► I don't have one of the little duck heads plugged

01:20:50 ◼   ► into it. I'll get to why in a minute.

01:20:52 ◼   ► Then I have a 61 watt USB-C

01:20:54 ◼   ► MacBook Pro charger which I use

01:20:56 ◼   ► for my Nintendo Switch,

01:20:58 ◼   ► MacBook Pro, my iPad Pro, any USB-C device that I take while I travel.

01:21:05 ◼   ► That's all in the tech kit.

01:21:06 ◼   ► Then in one of the pouches I have a couple of generic plug adapters for Europe and US

01:21:11 ◼   ► so you can plug in a regular plug into the UK plug into it and I can plug into a European

01:21:18 ◼   ► adapter.

01:21:19 ◼   ► Then I have various international Apple adapters.

01:21:23 ◼   ► I actually bought one of those international kits.

01:21:26 ◼   ► I saw it on sale once.

01:21:27 ◼   ► what I'm talking about like the Apple International kit thing yeah they

01:21:31 ◼   ► recalled a bunch of them last year yes I think it was after that I hope it was

01:21:35 ◼   ► after that no I checked it actually and it was fine I checked it I remember that

01:21:39 ◼   ► now it's like a certain color if it was like colored in a certain way it was

01:21:43 ◼   ► recalled but I bought that and that and it because it was on sale and I needed

01:21:48 ◼   ► like three of them so I now have them I have lightning earpods the cable one

01:21:57 ◼   ► USB to USB-C dongle, a hyperdrive, you know like one of those little things goes into

01:22:03 ◼   ► a MacBook Pro and you get a bunch of ports, and then a HDMI cable.

01:22:07 ◼   ► Can either of you name why I have a HDMI cable in my Bellroy pouch?

01:22:12 ◼   ► To watch keynotes in hotels.

01:22:14 ◼   ► Perfect.

01:22:15 ◼   ► That is exactly why, because I always end up needing it so I just left it in there.

01:22:19 ◼   ► Then in the second pouch I have just an iPhone 11 Pro smart battery case.

01:22:23 ◼   ► I have some expandability in this second pouch.

01:22:26 ◼   ► for other stuff I might want to put in there.

01:22:28 ◼   ► And I just find this so much easier when moving from thing to thing.

01:22:31 ◼   ► So I recommend this if you travel frequently and are not putting all of your tech gear

01:22:35 ◼   ► into just pouches, you should do that.

01:22:38 ◼   ► Yeah, I've got one by a company whose name...

01:22:44 ◼   ► The Tom Bihn.

01:22:45 ◼   ► The Tom Bihn Snake Charmer is the one I have.

01:22:46 ◼   ► I had that one before and I found that it was just too big and bulky.

01:22:51 ◼   ► That was what I was moving from.

01:22:53 ◼   ► I had the Snake Charmer and there just wasn't enough organization in there.

01:22:57 ◼   ► I just, it was just like, I was digging through it to always find stuff and I much prefer

01:23:01 ◼   ► this like smaller, more organized I prefer.

01:23:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:23:06 ◼   ► Yeah, it is, it is a little floppy, but I like that I don't have, I mean, I'd rather

01:23:11 ◼   ► dig through something I think than have like everything in its place because what I, what

01:23:14 ◼   ► I carry in that changes over time.

01:23:17 ◼   ► But the better stuff looks really nice.

01:23:18 ◼   ► I'm glad you're happy with it because this, this can totally change the game.

01:23:22 ◼   ► And one thing you can do too is if you have extras of this stuff, like have a travel kit

01:23:28 ◼   ► that you never go into, right?

01:23:29 ◼   ► Like just like I do, a lot of people do it for like a bathroom kit, right?

01:23:33 ◼   ► Like there's a toothbrush and toothpaste in there that never comes out.

01:23:36 ◼   ► So when I travel, I know I could pick this up and it's like one unit of stuff that I

01:23:40 ◼   ► need to take on the road.

01:23:44 ◼   ► So mine, I've got, I've got two and they, they, they go together.

01:23:49 ◼   ► And this is not a, these people who make this first one, they're fine, but they, you know,

01:23:56 ◼   ► this is not a product placement situation.

01:23:59 ◼   ► But Myke, you and Gray have Cortex notebooks, you have links in the show notes to those

01:24:03 ◼   ► where you can...

01:24:04 ◼   ► It's called the Theme System Journal?

01:24:06 ◼   ► Yes, that is what it's called.

01:24:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:08 ◼   ► Gray calls it the Cortex Journal all the time.

01:24:13 ◼   ► And also, is it product placement if you can't buy the product?

01:24:16 ◼   ► It's bad product placement.

01:24:17 ◼   ► I was just saying, like, you know, like you paid me for nothing.

01:24:20 ◼   ► It's not supposed to talk about that.

01:24:23 ◼   ► Sorry, I'll bill you.

01:24:24 ◼   ► So anyways, the theme system journal has spots for, of course, journaling, which I try to

01:24:29 ◼   ► do daily.

01:24:31 ◼   ► And then you can track themes or things you want to keep up with.

01:24:35 ◼   ► And I found this very useful over the past couple of months.

01:24:37 ◼   ► I started doing this in January.

01:24:39 ◼   ► I'm not going to share what's in mind.

01:24:41 ◼   ► That's A, too cortexy for the show, but B, mostly private to me.

01:24:45 ◼   ► find it very useful to track certain things over the course of, you know, weeks

01:24:49 ◼   ► at a time and and so I've been very happy with that and it's a great product.

01:24:55 ◼   ► I really like the layout and it fits well with what I want. They'll be on sale

01:24:59 ◼   ► again at some point in the future, I think, but not currently. Yeah, who knows

01:25:04 ◼   ► when coronavirus and I'm not even kidding. Yeah, it killed mobile board

01:25:08 ◼   ► Congress and your notebooks. The digital side of it for me though is the

01:25:15 ◼   ► app day one which we've spoken about before journaling app for the Apple

01:25:19 ◼   ► platforms and I like to do journaling and this sort of stuff mainly like in a

01:25:27 ◼   ► notebook with a pen but I want to digitize it to have it in the future

01:25:32 ◼   ► even though I keep the notebooks and I've shared pictures over the years of

01:25:35 ◼   ► my field notes collection that I have a field notes notebook with me all the

01:25:39 ◼   ► time and I write in them a bunch for a bunch of various things and then I scan

01:25:43 ◼   ► them as PDFs but then I also keep them on the shelf because they're colorful

01:25:46 ◼   ► and look cool. I would do the same with a theme system journal but I want to

01:25:50 ◼   ► digitize this stuff and so I have in day one you can set up multiple journals and

01:25:55 ◼   ► so I have one called logging and it's where either scans or photos of these

01:26:02 ◼   ► pages go as I fill the notebook up so I can I can very quickly go back to a

01:26:06 ◼   ► single day's journal entry even if I don't have the notebook with me and of

01:26:10 ◼   ► course lots of other uses for day one but this is how I use them together and

01:26:15 ◼   ► I find that system to be pretty good because maybe I want to do a daily

01:26:20 ◼   ► journal and I don't have the notebook with me maybe I left it in the office I

01:26:23 ◼   ► don't want to go but come back out here and I could just do it in day one in

01:26:26 ◼   ► that journal and the next day just go back to the notebook and then take a

01:26:30 ◼   ► picture of it and have it in day one so it's kind of a blend over time but the

01:26:33 ◼   ► two of these things I find very helpful in sort of daily journaling and keeping

01:26:38 ◼   ► tabs on various aspects of life that I want to keep tabs on.

01:26:43 ◼   ► Very nice.

01:26:44 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:26:45 ◼   ► I find that quite interesting that you do scan it all.

01:26:48 ◼   ► It seems like it's such work.

01:26:49 ◼   ► It is a bit of work.

01:26:50 ◼   ► But I also like that I have a folder

01:26:53 ◼   ► with a bunch of PDFs of all my field notes from 2011 forward.

01:26:57 ◼   ► And that is handy in particular, because a field notes,

01:27:00 ◼   ► I'll burn it through about one a month.

01:27:02 ◼   ► And very often, I need something that

01:27:04 ◼   ► was on the last two pages of the previous notebook,

01:27:07 ◼   ► like if I'm in a meeting or something or on a call,

01:27:09 ◼   ► and I can just very quickly pull the PDF up

01:27:11 ◼   ► and have that reference there.

01:27:13 ◼   ► So I kind of like the duality of it.

01:27:16 ◼   ► - I like that you take more notes on notebooks than I do.

01:27:20 ◼   ► - All the time.

01:27:21 ◼   ► I mean, it's just always open.

01:27:22 ◼   ► - It's just my journal and then the notes

01:27:26 ◼   ► when I'm recording, that's it.

01:27:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, I do it for recording, you know, for edit notes,

01:27:30 ◼   ► but I have like a little checklist in here

01:27:32 ◼   ► from when we launched the shows the other day

01:27:33 ◼   ► of all the things I need to do.

01:27:34 ◼   ► Like I find it to be a very useful tool.

01:27:36 ◼   ► All right, I think that does it for this episode.

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01:28:07 ◼   ► You can find Myke there as I-M-Y-K-E.

01:28:10 ◼   ► Myke is the host of a bunch of shows on Relay,

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01:28:16 ◼   ► Go check that out.

01:28:17 ◼   ► It's really an enjoyable first episode.

01:28:19 ◼   ► You can find Federico on Twitter as Vitici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I,

01:28:23 ◼   ► and he is the editor-in-chief of MaxStories.net.

01:28:26 ◼   ► Federico, do you have anything exciting coming

01:28:28 ◼   ► you wanna tease for MaxStories?

01:28:33 ◼   ► Well, not in the short term, I think.

01:28:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm working on it, but it'll be a while.

01:28:39 ◼   ► Okay.

01:28:39 ◼   ► We'll check back in on that.

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01:28:58 ◼   ► Cheerio.