285: How Much RAM is in These Potatoes?
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- Think of 286 and you're joined by Jason and John.
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Hello and welcome to Connected episode 285.
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It is made possible this week by our sponsors,
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Pingdom, Direct Mail, and Indeed.
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My name is Stephen Hackett,
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and I am joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.
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- I'm so proud of you.
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You did it. - Thank you.
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- Well, this far, you got this far.
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- And we're joined by Federico Vittucci.
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- Yeah, I'm locked inside.
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I'm at home, have been at home for a few days.
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- Yep, self-quarantine.
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Well, actually. - Well, not self.
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- You're not in self-quarantine, are you?
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You're in full on, you're not allowed to leave your house.
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- Government imposed. - The government said so.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's not really self-imposed at that point, is it?
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Well, I was, I was like before the Thailand government told us that the entire country
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was a, was on lockdown. We were, my girlfriend and I were already trying to stay at home
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as much as possible, like as a precaution, but now it's official so we have to, we can
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go out for like the daily essentials. Like if you need to go buy groceries or if you
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need to go to work, which we don't because we work from home, or if you have an emergency.
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You can walk the dog outside but it's a short walk and try to avoid people basically and
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everything else is pretty much forbidden right now.
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Are people avoiding each other? Like do people cross the street and stuff like that?
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Yeah, you can tell.
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That's good though, that's what you want.
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We were able to go to the grocery store yesterday and obviously everybody was wearing face masks
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which we try to buy, but basically every pharmacy or online store is sold out at the moment?
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It doesn't help you, right? You know that, right? Like, well, that's the thinking. It's
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for people who are sick, it's not for people that are healthy.
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Sort of peer pressure situation, right?
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I would, in your situation, I would try and buy one too, right? But like, I don't think
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it's worth panicking if you can't. But like, if everyone around you is wearing one, you
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would feel like you were the sick person if you were.
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Exactly. So yesterday I went to the grocery store and everybody was wearing them, both
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the staff and the, you know, the, the customers. And I was not because I, I don't have one
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and I felt so out of place. It was like this eerie situation of everybody wearing face
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masks and I wasn't. And so I was like, nope. The next time I go, I got to make sure that
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I have one because I felt so out of place. Do you have anything at home that you could
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like fashion into one, you know, like so you could, it looks like you're pretending.
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Without like using a scarf or something, but I'm not sure. So in any case, we're at home
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and we're fine, we're just, you know, lots of time to clean the house and reorganize
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my shortcuts or play video games, get some writing done, you know, all the, you know,
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got plenty of time here, so.
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I would like to at this point make my official petition to Nintendo to release the Animal
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Crossing early. Animal Crossing is due out on the 20th, they should release it now so
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we can all play it and then our quarantine is fine. That's just my official petition
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at this stage.
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I agree with that. Steven, what do you think of the Animal Crossing?
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I'm so pumped.
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Yeah. What are you going to do first in Animal Crossing?
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I think it's probably going to be peaceful because you guys will be busy and I won't
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any text messages to answer. So I'm gonna enjoy some relaxing time.
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No, but like, when you get Animal Crossing, because you know all about it, what will be
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the first thing that you do in Animal Crossing?
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Well, honestly, I'm probably just gonna try to catch them all.
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Ah, right, okay.
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All the bugs, because you can catch bugs, like butterflies and fish.
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Well, make sure you open a radar, because that's the only way you can report the bugs.
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That is not even a dad joke anymore. That's just a sad nerd joke.
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It's a Steven joke.
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stevensjokes.com
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I'm not buying any more domains.
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Federico, I think I told you this, my mom called me to check onto you.
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So you have lots of people concerned.
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And we're glad that you're okay and we hope that it turns around.
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I was telling my wife the other night that if it comes to that here,
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where people have to stay at home and work from home,
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that's really no difference for me.
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I know will be like quote working from home and I'll just be out here making podcast keeping the podcast empire running
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It's a great time to have signed a lease on a studio space. Oh my just perfect time
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To have done that just whenever one's supposed to stay at home. So so going great. Oh, yeah
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Well, look, let's cheer everybody up and talk about the home pod. Oh
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Is that your definition of cheering everybody up? Okay?
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Pandemic or the HomePod like the HomePod is not great, but it's better than a pandemic. Can we agree on that? Sure
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Yes, I'll go with that. So we've been speaking about
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use of HomePod and
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Siri and voice assistants in multilingual homes
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And we have this really interesting email from Eric who wrote in
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Saying that they live in Belgium where Dutch and French are both spoken
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but they speak English at work and they use English on Eric uses English and all of their devices and
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I think he is confirming what we sort of thought is that English, he says English
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Siri seems to be triggered by French easily thinking that maybe you know Siri
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in different languages is tuned for different things and it doesn't tune out
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you know the English or the French phrase if it's set in another
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language. I think it's what we were saying but it's just interesting that it
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seems to be an issue other places as well. It's good to get more anecdotal
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evidence of this thing. But like I think that is it, right? Like it is while Siri is accidentally
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triggered a lot everywhere, it may have been particularly worse for Federico because it
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couldn't understand, like it was getting triggered by words it wasn't trying to filter out, I
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But also lots of listeners wrote in, they sent me messages and tweets saying that, as
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As I mentioned last week, also, their series was being accidentally triggered by a dog's
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name or a partner's name at home. So the anecdotal evidence is sort of mounting up over here,
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especially with dog names. So that's a really fascinating data point. It's really surprising
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to me that Apple got this wrong. Like, we live in a multilingual world and I know that
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the vast majority of Americans don't speak multiple languages, but in Europe lots of people do.
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And I think that's... The argument that could be made was like, well, they didn't release it in
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Italy, but that's then also saying that there aren't people in America that speak Italian at
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home. Right, it's just... Right? It seems, I don't know, but it seems to be like that sort of like
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American bias that we've mentioned many times on the show before. Like, it's not like the rest of
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of the world is like California where most people only speak English. Like a lot of people
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speak multiple languages at home and maybe watch, I don't know, maybe watch TV shows
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in different languages that is not English. So it's very surprising to me, honestly, the
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more the more I get tweets from people and messages from people about this, I'm really
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surprised. Also, it's the one week update that Siri has been off on our home pods. Oh,
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We're fine, we're fine. So very famously Sylvia listened to the episode last week, she was very pleased.
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She mentioned...
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Finally a good episode, I think was her tweet.
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Come on Sylvia, throw us a bone here, you know? There must have been at least one good one.
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No, she will not throw any bone.
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It's been a week and we are very happy. No more accidental activations here.
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We've been using the HomePods as music speakers.
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We haven't really noticed the absence of Siri.
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I've been using it on my phone and it's okay.
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- I do want to add before we move on
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that Eric is using the HomePod in Belgium
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and it doesn't seem to be sold there.
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So it's an imported HomePod like yours is.
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And I want to hear from somebody who, you know,
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maybe lives in a supported country.
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Maybe that's, I don't know.
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I feel like it's just that Siri's bad.
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That doesn't really matter if it's imported or not.
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But if you have this issue, please let us know.
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Real quick, before we leave, follow up,
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I just want to point people to stephensmerch.com.
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- It's one week to go,
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and those T-shirts will be gone forever.
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Seven days left from this recording.
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So if you're listening to the next episode,
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you've already missed the window.
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Also, you're in the future, so congratulations
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for making it another week.
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But I'd love if people go check that out.
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All right, Myke, I had a very strange morning.
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I was, you know, living my life, doing my things, and suddenly I get a bunch of emails
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that someone in London is logging into a bunch of Relay FM Twitter accounts.
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I assume it was you and that we haven't been hacked.
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I just am now asking you about this, so I guess if we've been taken over it's too late.
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What's going on, buddy?
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So I was woken up this morning with no alarm.
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My alarm didn't go off this morning because my iPhone was just stuck on the Apple logo
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That was why that was just my phone this morning.
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I knew what to do then, right?
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You reset the phone, you do the button thing,
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the up, down, hold, right?
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I did that three times, did not work.
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It would not come back to life.
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Like, I would even watch the phone reboot,
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like it would have the Apple logo there for a while,
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and then it would redo it again, right?
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Like the screen would go black for a second,
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so it was like trying to bring itself back to life.
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Side note, it's crazy that Apple doesn't have the top Google search result for resetting iPhones.
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Is it iMore?
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It's everyone else except them, right? Like, depending on the words that you use,
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sometimes they're like at the bottom of the first page. So that just seems wild to me that they
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haven't worked that out somehow. But so time for recovery mode was my morning. So I plugged my
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iPhone into my Mac. iTunes first got stuck downloading an iOS update. It said zero seconds
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remaining for a while so then I had to quit iTunes. As soon as I quit iTunes, the update
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that iTunes needed to do then completed, which was weird, although it jumped to two minutes
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before completing and then downloaded. I plugged it in and it said try and do an update. I
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tried to do the update and I was just given the fun error of your iPhone cannot be updated,
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must restore to factory settings. So I did the restore back to the Apple logo,
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waited for 20 minutes, nothing happened, my Mac wasn't doing anything, nothing was
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happening, so I restored again. Then I'd never heard of activation lock before
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but that's a clever feature where if you have activation lock on then somebody
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else can't just set up your iPhone, it needs your iCloud information so that's
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cool I guess. So yeah, I did two restores then the phone came to life. I didn't have
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another iPhone to do the quick setup feature because the iPhone was my iPhone. So I used
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my iPad, you know, you do the quick like when you use the camera and it has that little
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Apple watch like orb thing, you know? So I did that. It was funny because it then turned
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assistive touch on on my iPhone because I have it on on my iPad. I got the option to
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do an iCloud restore. So I did that, but I still had to set everything up, right? So
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Apple Pay, Face ID, all that stuff. And then iCloud restore began and it's been restoring
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all day. And I hate it because I'm not prepared for this, right? Like just an iCloud restore
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in your life is frustrating when it's not new phone time because you're not ready for
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it. So like, I have apps that have lost their data. I have apps that need that had downloaded
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stuff that needs to be redownloaded. Everything's getting messed up. I have to log back into
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everything back into one parser, back into all my email accounts, back into my calendar.
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Like I have to log back into everything. And what I hate most about all this kind of stuff
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is that you don't realize what's gone wrong on your phone until you encounter it when
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you're trying to use it. And I hate the stuff like why does Apple music not just redownload
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my music. Why do I have to manually re-download music again? Anyway, I hate it. I'm now having
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to reset preferences for apps because now apps are doing things I don't want them to
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do. And I have no idea why this happened because I don't have, uh, I do manual updates. Like
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I don't know why this happened. So that was my morning. My phone blew up.
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And you don't know why. That's the worst part.
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No, I have no idea. I absolutely no idea. The only thing that I knew was going on was
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was that my Apple Watch was scheduled for an update.
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But that shouldn't basically,
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and I know everybody loves this, brick my phone.
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The thing is, I know this isn't the world's biggest problem
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or whatever, but if I was catching a flight today,
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I just wouldn't have woke up.
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- What you need is a little baby face mask for your phone.
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- To stop the bugs, stop the viruses?
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Yeah, you're probably right.
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But anyway, I don't really have anything to say
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other than one, I hated that this happened,
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and two, I really wish the iCloud restore was better.
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Yeah, that's really upsetting because now like part of you is never going to trust that
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phone again.
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No, I mean, well, at the moment I don't trust it because like I know stuff's not signed
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in properly, right?
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So like what data that I need to have access to will I not have access to because I wasn't
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thinking about it, you know?
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Well, even beyond that, like, is it going to randomly do this again?
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Like, exactly.
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Like so now the next time I need to, like, I've like, oh, you must be up at this time
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or something terrible is going to happen.
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I'm going to have this in the back of my head now.
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Yeah, I'm so excited about all my banking apps.
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I sign back into all of those, which is like the worst thing in the world.
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Like resigning back into banking apps.
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It's terrible.
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They ask you for like a PIN code and all that sort of like. Yeah.
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Which are usually generated by your previous device.
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Well, but I don't have one.
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It's this one.
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It's been a was a fun and unexpected morning for me.
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That is terrible.
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is my conclusion.
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- Yep, I have nothing to say on it except I just hated it
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and I just had to share it somewhere so I told you.
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- Thank you for sharing that with us.
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- We have a lot to get into this week.
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The rumor wars are heating up,
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but we're gonna take a break
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Right, so like we said, it is rumor war.
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Nine to five Mac and Mac rumors have people in the field.
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- Bowing it out. - They've got Mac books.
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They're blogging.
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They're hitting each other with iPads.
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It's very messy.
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It seems that there is some,
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at least one early version of iOS 14 floating around,
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somehow obtained a bill from December.
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There's a lot of this stuff.
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We can't possibly cover all of it today in depth.
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We're going to talk about kind of what's been going on
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the last couple of days, and there's some other topics
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that we're going to get to more in coming episodes.
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I think we all have a lot to say,
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for instance, about cursor support on iPad OS.
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We will get to that, just not today.
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We're going to kind of deal with what's the newest stuff
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as we're recording this on March 11th.
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- Yeah, 'cause there's probably still,
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may potentially still more to come, right?
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I think first off, let's talk about iMessage.
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So this is a super interesting one. This one came from MacRumors.
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Effectively, it seems like, again, we will just take it presumed that all of this stuff is coming to iOS 14
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so we don't have to put like presupposing on every single thing, right?
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It's like, maybe if such and such, I don't know, just assume we are aware that it might not ship.
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For the time being, we will assume that all of this is going to be in iOS 14.
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So it looks like Apple is trying to turn iMessage groups into a much more useful tool,
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which is great. And this is all stuff that I have wanted for iMessage groups. So @mentions
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and group threads, which would be great. So I could be like @federico and he would get a
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notification, which would mean that they may be beefing up the way that notifications or
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do not disturb works for group threads and iMessage, because then it might be more Slack
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like in that you could say you know only alert me to this thread if my name is mentioned which would
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be great i would love that uh while you're at it apple give me a way to change the way that i'm
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alerted for when people use tapback stuff don't need push notifications for every thumb up on a
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message don't need them don't need that it's not necessary but so anyway the ability to retract
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messages with UI showing a message has been retracted. This is very interesting.
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Not sure why particularly they would add this but it's a guess it's a cool
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feature to have. Typing indicators inside of group threads I would like this a lot
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so you get this at the moment right where you get like the bouncing three
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dots of doom right when you're waiting for a message to come in. Oh it's the
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worst one then they go away? Oh yeah. Oh no they're rethinking it. This is a big
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thing for the kids Steven. Oh I know! I hang out with youth. Oh. Do you? I see them. Sometimes.
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Ok that's good. So this would be I guess maybe Steven's icon would pop up and there would
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be a typing indicator next to it. Maybe they will have a many people, several people are
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typing which is one of my favourite Slack things by the way. Several people are typing.
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It's just like a very good, it's very good. I think that's the name of their company blog
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as well. It is very clever. Yeah. And then this is a weird one enhancements to the slash
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me command. Steven is the resident old man. Could you explain what that is to the youth
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listening? Yes. So if you did, if you're in messages on the Mac and you type forward slash
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me with no space and then type creates notifications for Myke, then it goes in the thread as you
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know, Steven Hackett creates notifications for Myke. You just did. You just did that.
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I did. And it shows up in our group thread with Federico and John. And it's not like
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I sent the message. It's kind of in line with the time. It's a holdover. And I want to talk
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about this in a second from the I chat days, but it never made it to the iOS versions of
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messages. So you can do this on the Mac, but you can't send them from iOS.
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So I think that's that's kind of it from the report. But this is all stuff that I would
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I think all of us would love to see. Making group threads more powerful and useful would
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be great. I would greatly love that because I have a couple of threads that I use every
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single day and they can get a bit messy.
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Yeah, I mean, these features are like the absolute basics to make sure that iMessage
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can live on the same, like, on the same playing field as, you know, WhatsApp or Telegram or
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Messenger, all these features are the very basics for any group, modern group conversation.
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And the fact that iMessage, it got apps and stickers and a bunch of enhancements.
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The new search, for example, in iMessage, that lets you find all images and links and
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documents, that's amazing, and I use it very frequently.
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But in terms of the actual transcript, the actual conversation and controls around messages,
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leaves a lot to be desired still, especially when you compare it like, I'm on a bunch of
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WhatsApp groups and the kinds of controls that you get, like the ability to delete messages and
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to have a thing that says this message was deleted. Those are the very basics and
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notification settings, mute settings, it needs to offer more because competing apps are doing more,
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people are flocking to those messaging apps and I don't think it's something that Apple wants.
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I think Apple, especially because iMessage is so popular with the kids,
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I think they need to make sure that those kids, and eventually when they grow up,
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they keep using iMessage because it's more secure, because Apple has control and all.
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Especially in a world where there may be options for new default apps.
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It might be that Apple might feel like, and I hope they would,
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that they have to actually compete more, that they don't just get to be the messaging app
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because they are the built-in messaging app. That if people could then choose, say, WhatsApp
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to be their default messaging app or whatever, that they might have to do a little bit more,
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you know, to actually beef up the application. That's a very good point, yes, absolutely.
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Like I expect to see that kind of thing, like maybe not so much in Messenger but in a lot
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of other apps over time, I expect to see that Apple will do more feature parity than they've
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done before because they want people to continue using their applications but
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there will be less of a less of a like a requirement to do so like people won't
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won't have to anymore and I think that will make a change. Looking at you mail
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team. I mean mail is the actual real poster child for this right it's like
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people like mail because of it's built into the system it runs well it looks
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nice and stuff, but it is incredibly under-powered compared to other types of mail applications.
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And whether you're an email purist like Casey List or not, it's still something that people
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want to see some more of these features coming in.
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I did want to talk about Messages, Roots, just for a second, because even now, before
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they add anything else to it, there are a bunch of features of iMessage that aren't
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on the Mac, that are just on iOS and iPadOS.
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Mostly it's silly stuff like the effects and that sort of thing.
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But it really points out that Messages on the Mac is living inside the dead skin of
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It moved in and kicked AIM out and now it's reanimated it.
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It's a very upsetting metaphor.
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That is quite the image, Stephen.
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Kept going with that one.
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You know what you said about Messages on the Mac serve as much as Messages on iOS.
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It goes both ways though, because Messages on the Mac you can use with other chat clients,
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So I mean, it's not a great feature, but it's you can you can sign into like aim and stuff,
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right on message.
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No, that's all gone. That's all been gone for a long time. Well, not not on my version
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of Mac OS. Well, aim itself is gone. So you're not signing into anything. Well, you know
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what I'm saying? I Google Talk or whatever. Yeah, that's gone now to on. Okay, you got
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on your Mac, man. It's I don't wanna well, especially still running snow leopard over
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Leave me alone.
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And it's just, it's time, I mean, messages is so important to Apple.
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Like one thing we haven't really touched on, but it is related to the default apps thing
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is iMessage is a huge reason for iPhone lock-in, right?
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A lot of people stay on the iPhone because of iMessage, which is why I think they're
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never going to bring it to Android.
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It would only make sense to extend that to the Mac, but so far messages is like, like
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I said, it's like some sort of zombie inside of iChat controlling its arms and strings.
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And it would make sense to me if they're going to bring new features to do it all at once.
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And maybe that means that Mac, the Mac app goes catalyst.
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And so it really is the same application.
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And that would be a bummer in some ways because the Mac app does do some things except nice
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multi windows support.
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You can address it with Apple script, it has some cool stuff that maybe we wouldn't get
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with catalyst.
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But I think if they're going to make a big features move with messages, I really hope
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that we see it across all their platforms and not just the iPhone and iPad.
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They would be creating more work for themselves if they didn't.
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It just feels like at a certain point it's easier for all of these applications to come
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together because they're just doubling up the work, surely.
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We haven't seen Apple...
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They've launched some Catalyst apps, but they haven't replaced any apps with Catalyst.
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I mean, you could kind of argue that Podcast is, because it's Catalyst and that was a section
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of iTunes, music and TV are based on the old iTunes thing.
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So they haven't really replaced a system app with a catalyst version and I would argue
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that messages would probably be a pretty good first candidate if all this other work is
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Pencil kit rumors.
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So there's a pencil kit is the software underlying the Apple pencil on the iPad.
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Oh, underlining.
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It's like a...
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Yeah, no, I didn't mean that but that's funny.
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A new feature that allows for OCR recognition of handwritten text in text fields.
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So in theory, this also came from MacRumors, that you would be able to use an Apple pencil
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and just draw something out and the system will convert it into text which you could then send to somebody.
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It seems like this could be available anywhere that you can use text input, but that there
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would also be functionality inside of Pencilkit for third-party developers to integrate into
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their app somehow.
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That part is a little unclear for me.
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If you can do it anywhere there's text, why does there also need to be a third-party tool?
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But maybe that would be for other uses of it.
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I don't know, but that you'd be able to turn handwriting into text more easily, which would
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a really interesting feature to add now, but it's something that I have wanted in the past,
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so I think that would be really great. I mean, so right now developers can use the Pencilkit API
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to, like, if they want to offer like a drawing screen and they can just basically use the same
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annotation UI that you see in Apple Notes or in Markup, for example, with the standard, like,
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blank page and the palette of tools and colors at the bottom. So it wouldn't surprise me if
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if it becomes like a new, like different PencilKit API
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where a text field can either be typed into the keyboard
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or the software keyboard, or if you have a pencil,
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it automatically does its own OCR thing.
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Right now, there is Pencil OCR support in Notes,
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but in the sense that when you hand write in Apple Notes,
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that handwritten text becomes searchable
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after a few seconds,
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with... Yeah, results can be questionable, I think.
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Yeah, searchable OCR and taking your handwriting and turning it into text
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are two very different problems, right?
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There are two very different problems.
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There's some shared tech, of course, under the hood.
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Like, you still got to recognize whatever the user just wrote with a pencil.
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But in one case, you got to make it searchable.
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the other you gotta actually insert it as text into a field.
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I mean like your error rate is different there, right? Like you can be way less accurate if
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people are searching text because you've only got to match X percentage of words for somebody
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to be able to get what they're looking for, but if you are saying that you're going to
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take handwriting and turn it into text, your error rate has to be way different, like way
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But Steven...
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Right, and that's a big, big thing.
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you Stephen, wasn't this a feature of the Newton before?
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Yeah, I mean that was the idea of the Newton. You would use handwriting for input and it would turn
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your handwriting into text, so it would do all this stuff. To mix results, I would point people to
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my podcast Flashback, episode one, where we talked about the Newton.
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stephensmerch.com
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But also Flashback episode one.
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Oh, sorry, sorry.
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Listen to it while wearing your new shirt.
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Yeah. And it's not just the Newton, like Windows pin based PC stuff has been around forever. Again,
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I'm not saying it's good or bad, but this is a thing that's been in the world. Apple is not
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inventing this, but boy, it would be cool to be able to use your Apple pencil anywhere there's
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text and it convert it for you. It's not necessarily for me, I find typing much faster than writing,
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but I know a lot of people I think would like to use this or just to make things like note taking
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more useful down the road. We're like, yeah, I hand wrote this, but now I actually need
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text out of it to email it to somebody like all that stuff. This unlocks when you have
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a tool like this. And if Apple does it in pencil kit, third party developers can put
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it in their own app. So you could see a world where you can use this in GoodNotes or PDF
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pen or a bunch of those other types of apps, not just Apple Notes, which I think would
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be really key for this unlocking sort of a new experience for a lot of people. And now
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every iPad supports the pencil, right? Even the mini? Is that right?
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Yes, they all do, yeah.
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They all do the latest ones, and most of them support the Apple Pencil 1, of course,
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the Apple Pencil 2 still. iPad Pro only, but still. Basically the same stuff, yeah.
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I want to get a new iPad mini with flat sides that works with the Apple Pencil 2.
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That's what I want, because that just seems like a fun product.
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Yeah, good luck with that.
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I mean, I think it would be cool.
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Wait, only last week we were talking about a new iPad Mini with Mini LED.
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Yeah, we were.
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I think it would be cool, but the Mini is like the... because it's cheap and at the
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bottom of the list, I just don't see it getting that anytime super soon.
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Maybe in a couple of years.
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Oh, well, I want to see it.
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It doesn't mean I need to see it this year.
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It'd be like a super sweet reading device.
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I would totally get one with the flat sides because I thought about getting an iPad Mini
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when they were refreshed last year.
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And then I realized, no, it's got,
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and I think we actually mentioned this on the show.
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Like I said, no, it's got the old design.
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I don't want to get an iPad mini.
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I want to get, I'm going to use the 11 inch iPad Pro,
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like the basic one, like basic storage,
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no cellular as my reading device,
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because like it's got the modern look
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and I don't want to use an iPad mini
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that already looks old.
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Even if I like, I buy a new iPad mini
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and it looks already old to me,
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like that feels like a waste of money.
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I don't know.
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So I absolutely agree with Myke.
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I want to see an iPad mini with the flat sides and the pencil support.
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Like that would be sweet.
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Because I will assume that naturally all of the iPads will get flattened sides
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to work with the Apple Pencil 2.
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I guess eventually.
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As the Pro gets an Apple Pencil 3, whatever that would end up being.
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But you know, the Apple Pencil 2 is so much of a better product than Apple Pencil 1.
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I can't imagine Apple going any other direction with it into the future.
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Like we might be a couple of years away from that being in the rest of the line, but history
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has shown that Apple will move the iPad Pro features down because it's just on a bit of
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a delay, like a couple of year delay.
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But every iPad except the mini now works of not only the Apple Pencil, but also a smart
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Like it's the thing that they will do, but it just takes its time.
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Which is exactly the same as it's been on laptops and desktops, right?
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you establish a feature, the feature becomes normal, they come up with new features, so
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they move the pro features down the line. It's just how you advance the technology, right? So
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I expect it will happen within the next couple of years, but I would be really surprised if
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the iPad mini still looks as it looks right now if they put that mini LED screen into it. I would
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just be very surprised about that, but we have other rumors later on which could suggest that
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Apple won't mind keeping some technology around for a while.
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Anything else on pencil kit?
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It's doing there's another thing that it's doing where it will do automatic filling of
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So you could draw a circle and it would automatically fill the circle with a color.
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Oh, that'd be cool.
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Let's take our second break.
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We have some 9 to 5 Mac rumors. Well, we've spoken about I think everything we've got
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from Mac rumors that we're going to talk about today. The rest are from 9 to 5 Mac who've
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been publishing more this week they kicked it all off. One of them is some
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changes to the iOS 14 home screen. Believe it or not that is a thing that
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seems like it could actually be happening with the biggest change being
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a different way to see your apps with a possibility for listing your
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applications in maybe alphabetical order there'll be some sorting options but
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this is much more akin to the way that the Android app picker works, or maybe your Apple
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Watch or something like that.
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I've got the Watch in that list view. It's fantastic.
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Oh, yeah, you use it with the ListView?
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Oh, yeah, I hate the Honeycomb deal.
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Huh, interesting. I still use the Honeycomb because I don't really like looking at a list
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of apps. I prefer looking at the icons myself, but I think the idea of a home screen on iOS
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the iPad potentially is interesting for a bunch of reasons. The first one, 9to5Mac mentions
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that you will be able to have multiple sorting options and maybe even serious suggestions.
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So the combination of, for example, let me see the apps that I use the most or maybe
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the apps that are frequently used and put them at the top of the list and everything
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Or new. Newly installed.
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newly installed, you would be able to get different visualizations of your apps.
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And if you're somebody with a lot of apps installed, like maybe John Voorhees comes
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to mind, he's got like 600 apps on his phone, you will be able maybe to manage those apps
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more quickly.
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Like imagine if you can use ListView and display them by frequently used and then scroll to
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the bottom, have a select button, select, select, select, and then delete a bunch of
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apps all at the same time. Like that would be amazing. But also I was thinking
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about the iPad and how maybe a list option could be a potential solution for
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iPad multitasking, like as an application picker for... because you know we've been
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talking about the complexities of the current drag-and-drop system for using
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split view and slide over on the iPad. Maybe a list that shows you apps in a
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more compact view with different sorting criteria, that could be maybe a potential solution.
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Isn't that what we basically had though in the early days? Like how would this be different?
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Not quite, because in the early days of iOS 9 it wasn't really a list, it was like a column of
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like these cards, like these tiles. Three at a time, right? Yeah, it was in an order that no
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human being could get their head around.
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It was in a weird order of icons.
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And it wasn't really compact because you could only see three at a time.
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And it wasn't searchable either. Whereas here we're talking about an actual list.
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So like the information density will go way up and with multiple sorting options.
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And I am guessing search like in the mix as well.
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So that would make it like, you know, fairly basic deal.
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It's not it's nothing revolutionary.
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It's a list, but maybe that's what it needs to be.
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Like it's a basic list of your apps and you can sort them however you want
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and you can find them quickly.
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Maybe that's what it needs to be.
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I mean, I've always used Android phones, but using a little bit more recently.
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I like that I don't have to organize every single application. Right.
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I have the apps that I want on like my first screen
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and then everything else is just in an alphabetical list in the drawer.
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Right, because I'm kind of fed up at this point of having to find a place for every application.
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You know, like I just want them to be some like away somewhere, right? Because it's like and I
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have to try and break it out of my brain because I search for every app anyway. So why do they need
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to have places? Because it's kind of like, well, they're allowed to have places. So why shouldn't
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they have a place? And it's just like, I can't, I just don't want to do it anymore. So being able
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to just have one screen and then everything else just in like a drawer which is the way
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that the system will do it that's what I want.
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Like I know I could put everything else in just one big folder but I don't I just don't
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like that like I would prefer there to be like just this list of everything and I open
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up from the list like that I think that that would be really really good and I would be
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very happy with that especially if it did do stuff like hey what about this one that
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just installed or what about this stuff thing that you use all the time like at the top i think that
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would be really great i hope for this another report is of this is very interesting the ability
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for applications to be able to change your wallpaper so they'd be in a kind of a new
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extension type of like wallpapers that you could uh download from the app store you see these
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applications a lot and they're actually typically scam apps or they're like hey check out this
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wallpaper pack and like but you you still have to just it's just a bunch of images that you save and
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then you choose the one that you want but in theory this would uh enable somebody to be able
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to create an application that would have a pack that you would be able to um would able to like
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i don't know have cycle through or choose the one that you want and it automatically be assigned
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but what i was thinking which i would like is you know to be able to say maybe download an app i
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Apple have a system feature where I point at an album and it cycles through them.
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Like I would like my home screen to stay static but my lock screen to maybe cycle
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through images that I enjoy, you know? So like every time I pick up my phone is a
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different image. I think I'd be kind of cute. I think I would like that. So we'll
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see. I mean what do you guys think about this? So if I had to guess I would say
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that Apple wants the wallpaper section of settings to become a place that can
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be extended via third party apps.
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So I wouldn't be surprised to see
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like a new category of extensions
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that can be wallpaper extensions.
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And so you download apps from the App Store as before,
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they contain an extension,
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that extension shows up in settings wallpaper.
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And there you will be able to browse wallpaper by app.
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So you will have the default Apple stuff,
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which according to 9to5Mac will be organized
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with new categories like flowers and nature,
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like that kind of stuff.
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and you will also get third-party apps.
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So I can imagine, like two things come to mind.
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One, I can imagine that the shortcuts action
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that we saw last year, the set wallpaper action,
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this is how it will come back.
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It was removed during the iOS 13 beta cycle.
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There's a quite fun backstory there
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that maybe we'll be able to share someday, but not today.
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So it disappeared.
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Maybe this is how it comes back
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as an actual system feature of iOS 14
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that ties into like which wallpaper do you wanna set?
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Like you can choose a folder, you can choose a category,
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and I can imagine like that action coming back
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thanks to this new feature.
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Second, and I guess you guys will laugh at me
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for mentioning this, but I think this is what,
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if this is true, right, and if developers can provide
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their own wallpaper packs for iOS 14
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and they actually show up at a system level.
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This has the potential to do what iMessage stickers
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and like didn't do.
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Like the idea-- - I agree.
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- Like because, you know,
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the deep and open iMessage framework
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and all that kind of stuff. - Oh my God.
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- But the idea was that with--
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- Deep and open wallpaper framework.
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- With the stickers,
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so the stickers were initially like advertised
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as an opportunity for artists and creatives
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to be able to share something that people could use
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every day in iMessage conversations.
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And to an extent that was true,
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but the whole system was kind of clunky
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and it was never updated and managing sticker packs
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and iMessage apps was terrible,
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so it didn't really catch on.
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- And really it's just like Bitmoji
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and nothing else, I think, for most people.
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- But I think for wallpapers,
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which is something that people obviously care a lot about,
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that is something so personal,
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like it changes the whole look of your device
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and your home screen, your lock screen.
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I think this has the potential to do even more
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than I messaged stickers.
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So I can imagine like if you're an artist
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and if you make, I don't know, 3D wallpapers
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or 2D wallpapers, or if you're a photographer,
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you should be able in theory to make a wallpaper utility,
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make it available on the App Store
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and get paid for it, right?
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So I think they should--
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- Feels like the perfect subscription app.
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- Yes, yes, like I was thinking about it,
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like, imagine like you subscribe like one dollar a month and you get a new wallpaper
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package month. Like, that would be amazing. And so I think they should do this. They should
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absolutely do this. They should let creators monetize this, all this stuff. Like, let me
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pay for good quality original and properly attributed wallpapers. And they also should
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restore the shortcuts integration that was awesome last year and then it disappeared.
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Nobody knows why. I know that a bunch of people, they still have their shortcuts with the set
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wallpaper action from last year's beta. And now, of course, the action in iOS 13.4 says,
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and in 13.3 for that matter, it says, "Action not available." And people, whenever a new
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beta comes out, they open that shortcut and they check if the action has been restored.
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I know that people on Reddit do this. It's sort of become like a meme. Every time there's
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a new beta, people are like, "Yeah, no set wallpaper action yet." But they should do
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this. They should make a comeback and have it be integrated with this system stuff.
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I think that this is one of those features that really on the face of it seems relatively
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simple but I think is something that a lot of users would want. It feels like a thing
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that people will get and they'll be like, "Oh yeah, this is great. I want this." And
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think one of the reasons it maybe makes a little bit more sense than sticker
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packs is everybody needs a wallpaper. Like you have to have one, you know? So
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like there is an inbuilt desire for people to be like "I don't know what I
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what I want" or like "I want this picture of my family" or whatever but wouldn't it
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be even nicer if you could have multiple pictures of your family that scroll
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through like that's that's kind of what I want right so like I want my lock
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screen to be like a bunch of pictures of family stuff or memories right and they
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just scroll through so I have to just choose one I can have a bunch and like I
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talk about this a lot I know I talk about this a lot but it's a feature
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I've come to really love about my echo show that I can just have those photos
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cycling through all the time and it's nice whenever I'm in the kitchen and I
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see it like and me and Idina were talking about it today because I told
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about this feature. And she was just like, "Oh, I feel like when I was younger and I'd
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hear about digital photo frames, I thought they were stupid, and I also did." But she
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says, "Oh, but I suppose it's now because I've taken way more pictures that I like this
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kind of feature." But as I said to her, which is what I think it is for both of us, we're
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getting older and we're getting more nostalgic for things that we love in our lives or the
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nice experiences, so we enjoy looking at photos more. I think it's more that than the technology's
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gotten better because I think that's what it is about myself where like I now look back at moments
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in my life and look at them more fondly because I think that's just something that happens to you as
00:46:41
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you get older but I think it'd be a great feature. I know that probably some people will not like
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this but I'm going to say if they are doing this and they are opening up the App Store to wallpaper
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utilities. If they want to combat the potential, you know, piracy aspect, they should make
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these wallpapers a custom format that is not like a JPEG that you can extract and share
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with people. And if they're the custom format, not only for that, but in a way that allows
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wallpapers to support both light mode and dark mode. Because right now the default Apple
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wallpapers they support that. I believe that's possible thanks to the . . . heave file format.
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That's how they do it on the Mac, too. The default wallpaper on Catalina is actually
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like six or seven images that it moves through throughout the day.
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Right. And they should do the same on iOS. And on iOS, of course, you wouldn't be able
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to get to those files anyway because of sandboxing.
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So they should do that and allow like super easy in Xcode,
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like even if you're not a developer,
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just with sticker packs before, right?
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You could use JPEGs or PNGs or animated PNGs.
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And in this case, if you go with that approach,
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you could say this wallpaper,
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it switches automatically between light mode and dark mode.
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So that would be nice.
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- I do wonder what else they could do with this.
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I think the light and dark mode thing is a super smart idea. And I think being able to rotate through a gallery
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This is a smart idea again things you can do on the Mac things you can do on other platforms
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But I would like to see them explore more with live photos
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I mean so you can't set live photos as a wallpaper now
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I don't know. I don't I haven't done it, but you can do it and you can set your own
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But I think it would be cool if that format could also be smarter, you know for a long time
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they've had the wallpaper that has like the, the circles and they kind of move around.
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And I don't think that responds to like the accelerometer or anything in the phone.
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Maybe it does a little bit but like what if live photos or something else like that could
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make these more like interactive or lively?
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Yeah, in a way just like subtle animations that looped or I mean something just to bring
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it to life a little bit more.
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I think it could be a fun way for creators to explore and create new things.
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while we're on it I mean if these are built into applications could things
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that I do in my life or with my phone change the wallpaper like if I leave my
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house could I have a different wallpaper that right stuff or it starts like red
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and then as you get more tasks done it slowly turns green that'd be fun I would
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genuinely like something like that right so yeah like I think that kind of stuff
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could be a lot of fun.
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Like maybe you could have a wallpaper
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that has a little colored ring around the edge
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and that changes throughout the day or something.
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Like if it was tied to applications
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and applications could change the wallpaper
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based on different parameters,
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which doesn't seem outside of possibility,
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like that could be kind of nice.
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- Or they could even tie it into the memories thing, right?
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So like we all give those notifications of,
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hey, you know, you went to this party two years ago,
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here are a bunch of pictures.
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Make those a wallpaper.
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It's my anniversary, every time I pick my phone up, I want a different picture of my
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You know, like, there's so much they could do to make this more interesting and more
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personalized.
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I'm excited about the possibilities.
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Who'd have thought?
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You're in the 14th version of it, you got to do something, and this seems like a fun
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way to extend what you're doing elsewhere.
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Man, sticker packs, that could have been a thing.
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I mean, I use sticker packs every single day, but I just use one of them.
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The same one.
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The same one that I didn't pay for.
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Like Stephen with the skeleton one.
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Yeah, I mean they come out every now and then but it just wasn't the artistic magic bullet
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that people were hoping for.
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Remember when we used to have in our newsletter the sticker pack section?
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Oh what, the John Voorhees series of sadness that it became?
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John was increasingly losing his mind covering the-
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It was good to watch his mental state deteriorate through the sticker packs that he was picking.
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This sticker pack is called "Desperation".
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Toward the end of the section, he would say something like "I'm not sure why I'm picking
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this sticker pack, but here we are."
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I'm being forced against my will to look at sticker packs.
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Yeah, that section is no more.
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Maybe he'll become the wallpaper expert.
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Maybe we should do the wallpaper corner of the new city.
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Sorry, John!
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I mean, honestly, when we were talking, I thought if it's easy to do, I would put one
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out of all my Apple hardware photos that I've taken over the years.
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Oh my god, yes! Like all the iMac? You could just do an iMac pack?
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Yeah. That's a great idea.
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Maybe we should do what all the developers are doing these days. Launching a Kickstarter
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for Steven to make an app that's only a wallpaper app. And you're gonna ask people for money
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to do so. Is that a thing people are doing now?
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Some developers are. I'm gonna need 80 grand.
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Wow. Exactly. Exactly.
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That was unexpected.
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Yeah, I mean, it needs emotional support through all this.
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I gotta buy a more powerful Mac Pro for development.
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And a new camera to take the pictures.
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And all new iMacs.
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And a developer license, you know.
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Yeah, that's up.
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WWDC ticket, right?
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Any day now, right?
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And there's the pain and suffering of using Xcode, that's worth something.
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That's what I'm saying.
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- So any version of iOS will naturally have in it
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references to the hardware
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that it's going to be running on, right?
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So if you're imagining a version of iOS 14, it's going to have references to hardware that will be
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out by the time that iOS 14 is out in theory, which is why we have a bunch of little details
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about hardware that we're expecting that came out as part of this selection of leaks and stories.
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So I guess we should start with the iPad Pro. So it includes what we think, the wide angle,
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like a new camera unit which includes a wide angle lens, an ultra wide lens and a telephoto,
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so just like the current iPhone Pro, but also the time of flight sensor which we've been hearing
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about for a while which we know by now will be useful for AR app stuff and there was another leak
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which referenced a new AR project in the works from Apple. It is an application that you will
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use to help you get information about things that are out in the world so apparently they're
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testing this out in Apple stores and Starbucks right now. So inside of a store you would
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open the app on your phone, hold it up to products and you'd be able to get info about
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these products. This would work via maybe QR codes, Bluetooth and what is that technology
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that they made?
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Eye beacons.
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Can you help me?
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Eye beacons.
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Eye beacons, yeah. So it could be a combination of all of this stuff. It's in testing right
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now and it's being developed in these two locations, right? So Apple stores and Starbucks,
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there would be a third party SDK so other companies would be able to use it.
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This is the dream right of being able to hold up your phone to stuff and it could point
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things to you, show you where they are.
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Clearly all of this is in preparation for AR glasses but Apple is approaching that product
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in I think the right way.
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So if you could, is to try and whenever they do launch this product already have an ecosystem
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underpinning it right.
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we've been talking about this for a while, but this is definitely one of these things,
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right? Not just mapping the world, but mapping the things inside of buildings. That's what's
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going to be really useful if we are in this AR glasses future. So this iPad Pro references
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the time of flight sensor, which would be important for the development of stuff like
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this. Obviously that app will run on all iOS devices when you would assume that a time
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of flight sensor will be in the next round of iPhones. We can come back to all these
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things if you guys have stuff to say, but I'll just run through the other two products
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that are mentioned iPhone 9. So this is the iPhone SE 2 effectively, which was probably
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going to be replacing the iPhone 8 in size. So to make this more confusing, the iPhone
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6 design language will feature Touch ID with Express Transit support. So Express Transit
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support is that thing where you can just hold your Apple Pay device up to say the London
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underground and you don't have to do any authentication when you're boarding the trains, it just accepts
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it very fast. I think this works in the New York subway, I think it's in Japanese metro as well.
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I think it started in Japan, I believe was the first place that it was used, but I absolutely,
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this is like a long-term follow-up, I absolutely love this feature. It's so fantastic, it's so fast
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you don't have to wait, you just hold it up and it just immediately authenticates.
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it's taken away my biggest frustration with Face ID, which was that it took too long to authenticate
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these purchases like Apple Pay, but really the only problem for me was trying to get through
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barriers at train stations and I don't need to use Face ID anymore, so that's great. So they're
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adding this support into the iPhone 9 with Touch ID, but they're not really doing much more to the
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design of the phone. It's going to be the phone for people that don't want to let go of Touch ID.
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Side note, I bet lots of people in the world are getting frustrated with their iPhones
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when they're wearing face masks.
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What a terrible time for face authentication.
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And then the other thing is, in Apple TV, new hardware of some description with references
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to a new remote of some kind.
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Don't get too excited.
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This might not be much more than some small changes.
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I saw Benjamin Mayo reference on Twitter that this has happened before, but if you remember,
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they just put a white ring around one of the buttons.
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So like a new remote doesn't necessarily mean that you're
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going to get the remote of your dreams.
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It might just mean a change of some kind to the Apple TV
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remote hardware that we're used to.
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Insert the insert the insert the Michael Scott no GIF here.
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No, God, please, no, no, no, no.
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What if the one thing they change in the Siri remote is the whole remote?
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Think about that. That's Galaxy brain level stuff.
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They only change one thing, but it's everything.
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Yeah, that'd be nice.
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But that does sound like an Apple tagline.
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The one thing we changed in the new iPhone is everything.
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My biggest problem with the Apple TV remote is its inconsistency.
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It's not the functions.
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It's the inconsistency.
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Like we're watching we're rewatching Patriot and Amazon Prime,
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which is a fantastic television show if you've never seen it, like so good.
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And you know, like something happens and I want to go back
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and I click the side of the remote and just nothing happens.
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Like it just brings up the little scrubber, but it won't go back 10 seconds.
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It's like I don't understand what I'm supposed to do.
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I'm giving you what you want.
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That's my biggest frustration with the Apple TV remote is the what I find like
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inconsistency so often with trying to get it to do the functions
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that it's supposed to do.
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But yeah, so that's that's some hardware referenced in iOS 14.
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Okay. That, that, that all sounds,
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I think basically in line with what we've heard elsewhere,
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except maybe the fully fixed, completely new Apple TV.
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Brand new full of hardware buttons remote that you want.
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Just buttons everywhere. Just cons, just like it's just all buttons.
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Are you getting it yet? It's all buttons. It's all buttons.
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It's not one remote, it's four remotes, one button each.
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- And we just tape them together.
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- One just has the menu button.
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If you lose that, you can't go back, too bad.
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I am increasingly interested about this iPhone 9.
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I'm sticking that by that as the name,
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which we talked about a long time ago.
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There were so many people out there with an iPhone 6,
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6S or 7 that Apple wants to move forward.
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And those people don't want a phone that's bigger.
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They don't want face ID.
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They don't want to learn something new.
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And an iPhone 9, you know, the iPhone 8 body
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with the 11 guts, I think would meet their needs really well.
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I've got one of these people in my marriage
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who's using an iPhone 8 and wants a better camera
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but doesn't want face ID.
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I won't say who.
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- One of these people in my marriage.
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That's, that's an interesting one.
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- It's not me.
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- Who knows who it could be?
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- I think this will do well, just like the SE did well.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- And you know, people liked the size
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and it brought forward what was good
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but partnered it with good, you know, modern tech.
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So I think the 9 could do really well,
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especially if it comes in at 400 bucks or something,
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you know, it comes in cheaper
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because they're using that old design.
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They don't have the most expensive parts in it.
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I think that it could be a good deal for those people.
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Like there are a lot of iPhone 6s and 7s
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running around still, like they're just everywhere.
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And I think Apple wants to get those people.
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- Real time follow up from Zach in the chat room.
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- Real time follow up.
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- The tagline for the iPhone 6s
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was the only thing that's changed is everything.
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- Oh, that's what I saw before. - Oh, yes!
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- I wanted to say something about AR.
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- Not necessarily about the iPad Pro,
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because I mean, sure, give me a new iPad Pro,
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but you mentioned we could follow up on that stuff.
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I am increasingly skeptical of these potential use cases
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for augmented reality.
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I believe that for certain scenarios,
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like the following directions,
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So like I'm in a new city and I need to understand
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where to go, like having the maps overlay
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on top of the camera, that would be super amazing.
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I believe Google Maps is already doing this on certain phones.
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So that's incredible.
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Following directions indoors, like also that would be cool
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like in airports or like if you're looking
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for a specific store or if you're a supermarket,
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the supermarket you're looking for a specific shelf,
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Like, yes, I believe that's the way that it should go.
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Like all these other things, like in this example,
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I'm at the Apple store and I'm at the table with the iPads
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and I need to like get my phone and point at the iPad
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to understand what I'm looking at.
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Why not just touch it or ask somebody
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for additional information?
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So like, it just feels like if you're there,
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if the iPad is in front of you,
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Why should you grab your phone and point the camera at it?
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You're looking at it already.
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And it's very likely that there's
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like an info pamphlet next to it or like an employee.
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Just ask the person, like, hey, how much RAM is in--
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they're not going to tell you, but at least you
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can ask the question.
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Wait, does that come up a lot in the supermarket, how much RAM
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is in these potatoes?
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No, and exactly.
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I was going to mention the supermarket.
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And I see these concepts, right, all the time,
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like these fake AR apps. It's like, "Oh, imagine this. You're at the supermarket, and you finally
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found the shelf that contains all the cereal options. Okay, fine. That's cool." And then
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you grab the box, and you point your phone at it, and you get all these overlays telling
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you the nutritional data for the cereal. I mean, dude, you're holding the cereal box.
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There is literally a nutritional label on the cereal box. Look at it with your eyes.
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Why do you have to use your phone and AR to understand how much protein you got in your
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Like, all these additional, like, I get it, it's fancy, right?
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It's incredible.
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It makes for a good demo.
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It makes for a good portfolio type of video.
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But like in real life, do you really want to depend on AR to replace your eyes when
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and you got your eyes already,
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and you can just look at things in real life
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and you don't, there's no latency, right?
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Your eyes, your physical eyes have no latency.
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You're looking at a box, the box has the info that you need.
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And sure, maybe the AR utility can make a bunch
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of additional connections for you
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because it's connected to the internet.
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So like you can know that that specific serial
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comes from Brazil and Brazil is well known for the carnival.
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Okay, sure, you got all that information from Wikipedia,
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but I'm also buying a cereal box.
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You see, Federico, I think the thing is you clearly don't mind talking to people?
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No, it's not that, because the cereal example, I'm just holding a box and I'm looking at it.
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I think that there are...
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But like, yes, do we really want technology to help us be more isolated and not talk to people?
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Is that really the goal?
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Right, well, that's it, isn't it?
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It's like, it depends on where you're coming from this.
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because, okay, so like, let's imagine one use case for this is like, now you're in a store,
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you can be like, where's the bread? Right. And it can take you to the bread. It's like, okay,
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here's the thing. That's useful, but it does also stop you from saying,
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hey, shop assistant, where's the bread? And depending on your outlook in life,
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you either see that as good. Basically, if you see that as utopian or dystopian, like that's your
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outlook in life. I agree with you that like all of these things are inherently designed in a way
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that would isolate us from other people but I think it is everybody's own decision on whether
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they want that. I can't tell you what the right thing to do is. I don't know what the right option
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is but it does come back to this this conversation we have had with an increasing frequency and we'll
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will continue to have as to whether AR is good or bad, like AR glasses are good or bad
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because there are, I think, very legitimate arguments on both sides, arguments that we
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did not consider with smartphones, right? Like we just let that happen and it's been
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good but it's also been really bad in certain ways, right? It's like smartphones, best thing
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to happen in technology. Also one of the worst things to happen in social interactions, right?
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the way that information is spread, like things that we could not have imagined when smartphones
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became popular. I hope that there is a little bit more thought around AR in our faces and
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how that could impact society before we all just adopt it. Because I don't think we had
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that caution with smartphones.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm afraid that as soon as we're going to see like all the, you know,
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the bells and whistles and like the fancy stuff, oh, this is incredible. We're just
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gonna go for it because it's new you know because it's... So here's the thing I
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think that we will be excited about it like we are all technology but we are
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having I mean we speak for the three of us at least we are having this
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conversation now right these conversations which is more has a little
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bit more trepidation to it I know I didn't feel this way before the iPhone
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like when the iPhone was rumored it was like come on come on come on give me
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give me give me it wasn't like what is this going to do for the fate of
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of humankind. Right? We're not having those conversations. But we maybe are a little bit
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more about AR.
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I have some real-time follow-up. Apple has closed all retail stores in Italy. All of
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them. Used to be three of them. Now it's all of them.
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But WWDC is still happening.
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I mean, how is it possible that there's still no announcement?
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They're just not ready. Everything's taken care of, right? There are good social reasons
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to explain it. Santa Clara County has made it illegal if they even wanted to do it.
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Everything is lining up the way that it needs to. They just haven't yet announced what they're
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going to do. There is literally zero doubt in my mind about what's happening with WWDC.
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It is not happening.
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It is not a case now of if they're going to cancel it, it's just when and how they're
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going to cancel the in-person event.
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They just, Apple just haven't done it yet, right?
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Because it is a difficult thing and they may be awaiting until like they have a bit of
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space because everyone knew E3 was going to get cancelled today.
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So I guess it's kind of just a case of like giving them the space that they want and about
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when they do it.
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do it at the end of the week because it's a considerate bad news or do they do it in
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the middle of a week or at the start of a week because they want to dress it up as good
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news like it's a big marketing thing for them and how they're gonna handle this but we'll
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see but there is no question right like if you out there listener is still wondering
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if WWDC is gonna happen Myke Hurley is telling you right now it won't right like I will put
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money on this they are not doing it they're not doing it no they're not doing it no they
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They cannot do it anymore. Like everything else is cancer.
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They can't do it. It's irresponsible to do it. You can't at this point,
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when today the World Health Organization has classified coronavirus as a pandemic,
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you can't be like, "Uh, ignore that."
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Yeah, let's just gather like 5,000 people and talk about...
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But like the government of their county said it is illegal, so like they can't do it. They're
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They're not allowed anymore, but yeah, they just haven't announced it.
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So like like it's not even their choice anymore.
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Like they just have to cancel it.
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I think that had a date range on it.
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But yeah, but that date range will keep getting pushed, though, right?
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Like it will keep being like nudged along until this virus is under control.
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But which is not right now.
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All right. Let's let's talk about HomeKit.
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Let's let's cheer people up with HomeKit.
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Also in a nine to five max reporting talking about some new features coming in homekit with iOS 14
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one feature being night shift for lights so you could homekit could automatically adjust the light
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color temperature in a room throughout the day so the hue light bulbs i have on the lamps on my desk
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you know i can set the color temperature i have them set to daylight most of the time
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But I could, with iOS 14 I guess, tell it "Hey, warm those lights up" as I edit and
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logic into the evenings, which is a thing that I do sometimes.
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Also in this report...
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Real time follow up, NAB just got cancelled.
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Okay, that's another one.
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Just wanted to... it's not important, but I just wanted to throw that out there.
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It's all getting cancelled.
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Like two days ago they were like "Come on down to NAB!"
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We were talking about it and I messaged like "What are you doing?"
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I got an email about it today, that like podcast movement is doing an NAB thing and they emailed
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me today to try and get me to go. Like no, do you know where I'm definitely not gonna go right now?
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Las Vegas! Right? Like of all the places! You could get a pandemic in Las Vegas any time.
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Anyways, HomeKit Secure Video is supposed to get people or like facial recognition,
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So it could send notifications if a stranger comes to your door, but when your kid comes home,
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not send you a notification or vice versa or whatever. I would say that home kids
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care video should work in the first place before they start adding features, but that's just me.
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And lastly, HomePod and Apple TV, a lot of people use HomePods for the audio output for
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their Apple TVs, including you, Myke, right? Every single day. And every single day,
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Every single day.
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It drives me absolutely mad that I have to toggle the settings.
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So it seems like they could maybe fix that in iOS 14, that a user could permanently select
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HomePod stereo pairs as the default audio output.
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I genuinely think this is the very best use of a HomePod pair, is to use them with Apple
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TV speakers.
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They are very good TV speakers.
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Like really good.
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There's no latency problems because it buffers the content for a few seconds before it begins,
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So you just press play just a couple of seconds and it starts.
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And you know, it can get out of sync and that's when, because yes, when you have to do the
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switching around or whatever, and that's really frustrating, but like a little improvement
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here or there to this function would be great for me because this is how, this is our major
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use of HomePods at home more than music because we watch TV content every day.
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We don't listen to music at home every day.
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And I genuinely really love it because it gives you a sense of multi, you know, like,
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not like surround sound, but more than just stereo, right?
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Because there is like placement.
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It feels really good sometimes, right?
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Sometimes it feels like things are not just to the left, but to the left and behind, you
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know, because it's doing whatever it's doing to try and do that full room sound stuff.
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So yeah, really, like it's a very good feature.
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And I would be happy to see that they're going to put some additional work into this.
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And Zach points out in his article that he thinks this would be a good opportunity for
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smaller less expensive home pods.
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So you don't have a $600 speaker set hooked up to your TV, which would be cool.
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So you know, I think all this makes sense.
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I again, just like HomeKit Secure Video, I want to use it.
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It's not good enough, not anywhere near enough.
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So hopefully there's more to this than just adding additional features on.
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But home gets one of those things too that I mean, it's one thing I understand that we're
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going to get messages upgrades with iOS 14.
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But it feels like homekit is big enough where they could roll these updates out separate
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from a big iOS version.
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And maybe they need it for the marketing reasons.
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Like why can't we just do this in 13.4 like homekit should be getting better all the time,
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not just once a year.
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to five Mac today reported the inclusion of a new international Apple watch face
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that sets a bunch set your flag country's flag as the background of your
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watch that's cool if you're super into your country you can do that you could
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just if you were that into your country that you wanted this as a watch face you
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could just set it as a photo watch face look Casey's gonna run the beta just for
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this so to get the USA flag let him have his moment okay I mean there's still a
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whole other conversation to be had that like all watch faces should be more
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flexible and more customizable. I assume this one will follow like a lot of the
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image based ones where maybe you get one or two complications. I still do wish for
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a better more flexible watch face system or heaven forbid third-party watch faces.
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But I don't think that's happening this year. Maybe one day. Yeah it's not gonna
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happen because that's definitely something we would have heard about
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right like there are gonna be other watch faces like apparently there's like an
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Infograph Pro watch face come in, right? And some stuff about like sharing watch faces
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and all that kind of stuff. I don't really get the country flag one personally. Like
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it doesn't really make any sense to me. A friend of the show, Kyle Le Grade, was talking
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about like the Olympics, but this would already have, like the Olympics would have, well,
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okay. If the Olympics are going to happen at the time.
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Are there going to be the Olympics?
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I mean, that's an interesting one, isn't it? Because like the Olympics are supposed to
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happen beginning in July. So who knows, right? Like it might be okay then probably won't
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be, uh, but they'll move it. I don't know what they're going to do, but in theory, this
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would make sense for the Olympics. iOS 14 would be too late for the Olympics, but maybe
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this would ship before, or maybe it's got nothing to do with the Olympics at all.
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