291: The Scrooge McDuck of Computers
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Hello and welcome to Connected episode 291.
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It's made possible by our sponsors ExpressVPN,
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Pingdom, and Bombas. My name is Stephen Hackett and I am joined by Myke Hurley.
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Oh, hello. Hey buddy, how are you? Not terrible? Not terrible? Fine. I'm excited
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about the Hackett number. You know, look, do you want to know? Like, yeah, things aren't
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great. Like, what do you want from me? Like, I'm not a top energy. I'm like happy to be
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here. This is one of my very favorite shows to record because it's happy fun times. But
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no, things aren't great right now. And I am stressed out like 97% of the time.
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Not feeling that big quarantine energy.
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Yeah, it goes in waves, you know? Some days are better than others.
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Hey Federico.
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Wow. You doing okay?
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That's some big quarantine energy right there.
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I'm great. I'm great. Honestly,
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I spend all my days
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at home playing with the dogs, eating food,
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cooking, drinking wine,
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occasionally writing.
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Honestly, I'm working a lot.
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But yeah, I miss going
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outside. But I'm
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trying to keep my big energy
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up. You know? It's important.
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That's good. We have some follow-up, but it's all about me, which is weird.
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How are you?
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Do you want to do this?
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Stephen, how are you?
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I'm, oh, thank you.
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How are you, Stephen? You're taking care of us, but nobody ever takes care of you.
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That's so sweet. I have John. John takes care of me.
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John did take care of me once. He rescued me from the airport.
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That is true.
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He let me stay in his house. It was quite nice. John's house is really nice, guys.
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That's what you get. I mean, we should have all become lawyers before we quit our jobs.
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And here's a shameless plug, if you want to see Jon's studio, there's going to be a story
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in this week's newsletter for Club Max for his members.
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This is unacceptable.
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I'm just saying, on the topic of Jon's house, if you want to see his studio...
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Alright then. If you want to see Jon Siracusa's desk, you need to become a Relay FM member,
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And then you need to, I don't know how you do it, Stephen can answer, but you've got
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to go and get the last membership email newsletter.
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And you can see what John Syracuse's desk looks like.
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Yeah, you sign up at relay.fm/connected, you become an annual member, or silver or gold,
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whatever you want to do.
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There's choices.
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Did you start off annual?
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Big annual energy.
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Big annual energy.
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And you'll get an email, and then that email will be a link, and you can see all the past
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newsletters and the most recent one is John Syracuse's desk.
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But if you want to see previews of my YouTube videos before they go up, head on over to
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512pixels.net/membership.
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This is unacceptable.
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This is absolutely unacceptable.
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Give us your money and we'll show you photos of people's houses.
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What do I have?
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This is how it works.
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Cortex-mark and go to thethemes.com and who knows, someday in the future there might be
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some journals.
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I don't even want to get into the stress I'm having with journals right now.
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It's just a nightmare.
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So Myke, do you want to follow up?
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Uh, so, so, so follow up.
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Now we're out of the shilling portion of the episode.
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Yeah, we are so sorry.
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Is Phil here?
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You know what?
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I am not sorry.
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I'm not sorry.
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This is tough times.
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I got no credit for my Phil Schiller shilling joke.
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No, because it wasn't good.
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I just wanted to ignore it, Steven.
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It's just a bad joke.
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Yeah, because you drew attention to it.
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So now you can't edit around it because it's in there.
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You don't know what I can edit around.
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I can keep bringing it up multiple times during the episode.
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Just randomly.
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That's true.
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Right. Like, you remember that bad joke you made, Stephen, about showing it?
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He's gonna edit it out every single time.
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Yeah, I'll make it in like the middle of sentences.
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So it'd be super. Anyway, the Radeon Pro W5700X, which is how I'm assuming that that's said,
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is now available. This is the graphics card that you, Stephen Hackett, have been looking
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for for your Macintosh professional with feet. Did you buy it? Did you get it? I know you've
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waiting for it. So did you get it? Yeah, it's ordered. It's on its way. I knew basically
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when I bought this machine that the base GPU wasn't going to be enough. It's really rough
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and final cut with 4k video, because it's actually worse than the iMac Pro. So my video
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editing is actually more painful than it was. So this will be a nice update. And it's way
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less expensive than the Vega. So I'm excited. You should have kept your internet Macintosh
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professional with stand rather than moving to your Macintosh professional with feet.
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on that you didn't buy the wheels did you? No I did not. No we had a conversation afterwards
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where we all agreed that Stephen buying the wheels was just ridiculous so he didn't buy
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the wheels even though me and Federico were willing to front the $150 each it still seemed
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silly. Yeah. So yeah I'm excited about the video card I'm excited to see an increased
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fluidity in Final Cut and yeah I'm excited I'm also excited about installing it because
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I get to unscrew things in my computer and that's just the best. Is it? I guess it is
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actually. It's pretty good. I've seen inside one of those Macintosh Professional with feet
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and they are quite beautiful inside. They are. You finally did what we asked you to
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do about a month ago and connected your Macintosh Professional with feet to an old monitor, right?
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How did that go? It went really well. You can find a video of it on YouTube. So I was
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I'm just gonna do the studio display and then I realized that I had a really old
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studio display and a cinema display and so I hooked all three of them up through
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what was an increasingly uncomfortable number of adapters and yeah so go check
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out the video the link will be in the show notes it was a lot of fun to do.
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We need to talk about one of the adapters that you used. Yes. Because it's the size
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of an Apple TV mm-hmm what is the deal with this adapter this is the ADC to DVI
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adapter we'll put it up what is ADC so ADC was this short-lived video
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connection that Apple used that had video USB and power but all over one
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cable right so you would have one cable going from your g4 g5 tower and then it
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would power the display and power the USB pass-through and everything. The issue
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is that DVI came along and well DVI was actually around before this and Apple
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switched to ADC then went back it's all very confusing but ADC was short-lived
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and so it ended up being a real issue when you went to go plug in your new
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computer to you know a display that had this weird adapter. So Apple put this on
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sale back in 2002, originally for for the power books when they got DVI. But this thing
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is massive. It was $150 new $160 new something like that. And it was it's a yeah, it's about
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the size of it's bigger than an Apple TV. It's kind of somewhere in between an Apple
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TV and like a old airport base station. And it gets power, a power plug and you plug the
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ADC adapter into it and you get DVI and USB to plug into your computer. It's pretty wild.
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Oh, you found a good press release. Yeah.
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Yeah, when they announced it. I keep all these in Dev and Think so I can just find it.
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When watching this video, so my first thought was, "This is cool and this is exactly what
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I asked you to do." Well, almost because you didn't try with the Niacat Pro, but that's
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I did tweet from somebody. I'll see if I can find it of using
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Using an iPad to power it so you didn't get USB pass-through, but the rest of it worked
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How do you keep track and organize all of these dongles and adapters that you have?
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Yeah, so that is crucial as you may imagine
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So I keep them organized by the type the newest like connector. So all my thunderbolt two ones are together
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I got a thunderbolt three ones together and then I sort of have a collection of
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like HDMI stuff and so I can go through and find what I need I have them all in
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baggies in a drawer I can go through and find what I need. But like but like
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they're labeled? The bags are labeled so it's like here are all my
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Thunderbolt 2 things and I can just pull it out and anything that's Thunderbolt 2
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is in there. So I can can you like with other labels you wouldn't be able to
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tell between Thunderbolt 2 and 3? I could but I find it but if they're all in a
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giant pile then it takes time to sort through them so the organization is
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really to speed the finding up a little bit. Interesting. Okay, well thanks for the video.
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I mean it's always awesome when old tech, you know, still working today you can use
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it, you know, it speaks very much to my heart to this kind of project. It's very nicely
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done. Well like shout out to Thunderbolt 3 for being backwards compatible with everything,
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is pretty cool. And on this weekends in Mac power users, it's coming out a couple days
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after this show. I talked with David a good bit about the production of this video, I
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changed up a lot about how I did this use a teleprompter for the first time. And so
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I'll talk to David on that MP you about that. So if you have questions about that, go check
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out that episode.
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So can about dongles, I realized I was I thought to myself, there was a as a dongle that I
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for my iPad, the USB-C dongle, and then I opened my bag and realized I don't have
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any of my dongles. My dongles are all in my studio, which is locked up right now.
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And that was very upsetting, so the basically the the moral of the story is
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you can have a dongle bag but don't leave it anywhere, because then you
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can't get it. So I don't have any dongles anymore.
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Oh man, the chat room wants me to do a video where I am blindfolded and I have
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to identify different dongles.
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- I would love to see that video very much.
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- I'm putting that in the list of video ideas.
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- This show is just becoming like an endless source
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of video ideas for you now.
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- It's absolutely great.
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- Well, what it means is you're giving the people
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what they want, you know?
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- That's right.
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- Which is, that's never a bad thing.
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Well, sometimes it's a bad thing probably,
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but most of the time it's a good thing.
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- All right, that's in my YouTube ideas list.
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- Excellent, where'd you keep that list?
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- In reminders.
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- Not in dev, not in deventing.
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- Not in deventing.
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No, I use reminders for like little checklist things.
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So I have five lists.
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I have a grocery list that I share with my wife,
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books to read, media to watch,
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which I can check the couple off here
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'cause I've watched those,
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YouTube ideas and then column ideas.
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- Michael is very curious about apps today.
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- Yeah, I'm app curious.
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- Why are you?
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- I don't know.
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you just get that feeling like you wanna... You wanna try something new? Yeah, you know where it
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started? I can't believe I'm doing this, this is just like Plug Central today. I was listening to
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Mac Stories Unplugged. Oh nice! Yeah, you can find that at relay.fm/liftoff. Oh, lift off is that,
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oh that's good. Yeah, and you gotta join lift off to get this podcast. But by promoting this
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podcast and putting Federico Fattucci on blast, because Federico's back in OmniFocus. Oh no,
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I don't see it.
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And so it's like, you know, you know,
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those things you're like, hmm,
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do I want to be back in OmniFocus?
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You know, like when you do that and
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now I'm like for absolutely
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zero, no reason thinking
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about upending my entire
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productivity to do system
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just to try out OmniFocus
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again because Federico is doing it.
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And then, you know, so so now I'm
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just like, well, what else are you
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doing, both of you, that might be like a little less disruptive to my entire life.
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Right? So like where do you keep your text files? Where do you keep your lists?
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Like I just want to know, you know? Interesting. I got some recommendations
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for you buddy. I'm testing a bunch of things. I'm sure you are. You need to go to
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Remember The Milk. Sign up for an account. But you're not even using Remember The Milk
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anymore because you told me you were using Todoist again. I tried things for a
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little while recently but then I remembered very quickly that its
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repeating reminder system is completely broken for how I work. I can't believe
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they haven't fixed that. I feel like we've been talking about it for seven
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years. They told, yeah, a year and a half ago they told me they were fixing it.
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Nothing. It's so nice though, like design-wise. I know, it was beautiful and
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I like a lot about how it works except I want to check off repeating tasks before
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they're due because sometimes... I still don't understand how that's not a
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feature like that that is incredible. It blows my mind. I wouldn't even consider
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Consider it a feature, it just feels like a fundamental way of managing life.
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It's like, hey, I've done this thing earlier than expected.
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Yeah, no, no.
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They are sticklers over at Culture Code.
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I want you to live in the moment, man.
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Just embrace, you know, don't do things in...
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Never help yourself.
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Don't do things in advance, man.
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Just chill, you know.
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That's the spirit.
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That's how they live in Germany, I think.
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Are they in Germany?
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Yeah, they're German.
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Yeah, they're German.
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Things, yeah, they're German.
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I didn't know that.
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Yeah, that's why it's so rigid.
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Well, the German people are known for their efficiency and such, so like...
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And I'm so efficient, sometimes I check the PO box one day early,
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and I can't check it off till the next day.
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Well, that's wrong of you.
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Okay, we're gonna take a break, and then we're gonna come back.
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We're gonna talk about some more things.
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That's good.
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relay.fm/membership.
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I'm just doing it again. Just take a break. I'm sorry.
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Are you done?
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I think so. I don't know.
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So I'm looking through, just as a quick aside, Steven, through the dev and think forums as
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I do. I go on forums. It's very active. There's a lot of people here. There's a lot of people
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that use DevOnThink.
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I think that there's probably a pretty good Venn diagram of forum user and DevOnThink
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user, just in general, that those things probably intersect quite heavily.
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Yeah, I gotta look into this again, because I used to use DevOnThink years ago.
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It's it's really good. If you got a bunch of data, you need to sort through. Okay. All
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right. All right. I have a story for y'all. Oh, good. One of our home pods has gone to
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the great Apple store in the sky. So we, we had three at one of my office, one of the
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kitchen, one in our bedroom and the one of the bedroom has, has been, it's acted weird
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for a while. Like sometimes I would need to unplug it and replug it for it to like be
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on the network like just strange little things. And the other day, Mary was like, hey, the
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HomePod in the bedroom isn't working. I tried plugging it in and like, and it won't come
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on at all. And I thought, well, you know, maybe the, you know, it's like, it's a power
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strip with some other stuff that will maybe the power strip got kicked off or maybe who
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knows what. So plug it straight into the wall and nothing. There's a way to like hard to
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reset it. So if it powers on, you can press the top into the top turns red, and then it
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like beeps at you and then it will completely factory reset. It can do that?
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Yeah. Really? I will put a knowledge base article in the show notes. Of course, of
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course you have. You just found your knowledge base article of the week right
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there. I did the one about face masks but yeah I can do this one. This is the next one.
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Sometimes if you pay attention I do the k-base articles of the week based on
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something that's coming later in the week as like a teaser. Ah you have a
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whole strategy for that okay. I mean most of the most of the time the strategy is
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look for a random article, but sometimes there's a strategy. So anyways, nothing I
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couldn't give reset wouldn't power on. So, you know, there's no Apple stores open. So
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I went online and, you know, did the thing of like, hey, ask Apple support to call
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me and you know, they called me and you can customize your hold music, which is
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cool. I think I think we've talked about that. But it's the first time I've
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experienced it. It's like, you know, do you want classical or like modern rock or
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you know, whatever it was. What is modern rock for you? You know, like... The Eagles.
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Yeah. Wings, you know? I'm sorry. Topics from the 80s. Yeah. My era. The more synthesizer,
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the better really. So you were saying you were on hold listening to Sweet Home
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Alabama. Yes. Yeah and so I talked to the person and hey I have plugged in
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different place I've left to unplug for like 24 hours like I was like you know
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is there something like some sort of like deep cycle thing tried to reset it
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and the person was like well you've done everything I would walk you through.
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Turns out this HomePod is out of warranty. Do you know how much an out of
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warranty replacement is from Apple support for a HomePod? Just guess. I mean
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It's in the document, but just like...
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Don't look at the document.
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I just looked at the document.
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You told me not to look at the document.
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I couldn't help but look at it.
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If you're listening out there, just
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guess what a HomePod may be to replace.
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Shout the number now.
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I mean, to be fair, they're probably
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manufacturing one for you.
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Just because I don't like--
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are they even producing the HomePod?
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Like, this is still--
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I don't think they are.
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- Okay, they're guessing in the chat room.
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200, 300, 300, 399, and out of warranty swap is $279.
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- That is just ridiculous.
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- I went to Best Buy's website, and I thought,
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how much does Best Buy have at the HomePod
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for sale right now?
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You can get an open box return for $249 from Best Buy.
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You can get a new one from Best Buy for $299.
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It's like, so I told the guys,
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like, yeah, I'm not paying that.
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No offense against you, but that's crazy.
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No offense against you.
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You're talking directly to the HomePod development team right there, you know?
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It's $2.99 new from Apple.
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How is an out of warranty placement, you know, so...
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And that's just so upsetting.
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So I told, I was like, yeah, I'm going to pass on that.
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He was, and he said, he was like, yeah, yeah, good call.
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He's just being completely honest.
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So I'm down to two HomePods. I'm not replacing it right now because I think I want to see if there's a HomePod Mini maybe because the, you know, just kind of see.
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So anyways, I have a non-functioning HomePod and I don't know what to do with it.
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So I think I'm just gonna put it on my shelf and make it part of the collection.
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No, you know what you got to do with it.
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Take it apart.
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You got to take it apart. You got to open it. You got to see what's inside.
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Yeah, open it.
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Open it and put it inside the cube.
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Just let the computer run it.
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Do something. Put a computer in it.
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Put a computer in it.
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Put an iPod in it.
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Put a bird on it.
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Yeah, put an iPod in it.
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It's probably going to be a better music player.
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Try and put something in it.
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Pivot to that.
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All right, I'll figure out what to do with it.
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Or you could do like the guy who turned out to be like a fake video, like the HomePod
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Glitter Bomb that he turned out to be staged.
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That was the guy who was secretly working for Apple, right?
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Yeah, he was.
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That was crazy.
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for Apple. In secret. Yeah. And also doing YouTube videos. I was thinking of the guy from The Verge.
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He was working on like a special projects engineering team. Hmm, okay. All right, should we
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should move on to the the big topic? The real topic. The big topic. No, I wanted to just say about the
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HomePod last thing real quick. This is not a product that anyone should be buying right now,
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like especially at full price, right? Like do not buy a HomePod at full price right now. Like that
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is such a silly thing to do. Like it does feel like something should be around the corner
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if this is still to be a thing. I don't remember what we spoke about it or not, but like there
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was reports that it's that the HomePod OS is now built on tvOS instead, which is super
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weird, right? Another massively successful product. I have noticed recently that my HomePod
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is making new noises. Have you come across this? It makes a different chime. Mine doesn't
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talk anymore because we muted all of them.
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Oh yes, yes.
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And we're fine.
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It's a really expensive earpiece speaker.
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Sanity and peace has been restored in our household.
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That's good.
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Because everything's gone.
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Yeah, it's very good.
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Anyways, the Hackett number.
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Are we ready?
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Oh yeah, the Hackett number.
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Can you remind people what this is?
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So last week the question was asked about computers per capita in my household.
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we are defining computers as iPad and up. So no iPhones, no game consoles, but iPads
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and up and I did count other things. So I have totals. I've asked y'all to guess to
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guess what this may be. So we're going to look at desktops, notebooks, and then the
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total number and then looking at and then looking at the the hackett number I did I
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did just realize that I didn't give a place for you guys to guess iPads, but I have that
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number as well. So that's that's alright. So we're gonna have to put that guess in
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real quick. Yes I'm sorry. On a scale of one to ten, how much did you enjoy
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yourself counting up all of your equipment? It was pretty good. It was hot
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in the attic for the few things I have up there, but it took like two hours and
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I just listened to a podcast in my office and like took apart my shelves
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and counted things and I dusted a bunch of stuff like it was a very it was very
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nice time. And what app did you keep do you now have the inventory in? So the
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inventory itself lives in WordPress on the site but when I was temporarily
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updating it I had it in tot. Hmm. Are you curious about tot Myke? Yep.
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Tot curious? Tot curious. I'm curious about all apps now. So how do we want to do this?
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Do we want to do like desktops and I tell you the number, notebooks that tell you
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the number and then we'll reveal the winner? How do we want to do it?
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First of all we should say though that I, unlike Michael, have never been to
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Steven's house so I don't have that kind of advantage. Right, but the thing is most
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of Steven's stuff is in his attic which I've never been in. No, no, no, very, very little is in the attic.
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Oh, there's an attic? Yeah. With just a few things. Okay. Most of it is in the office, but Myke hasn't been here in a year, almost, and
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and the way the studio is set up, like, the top shelf is full of laptops and you
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have no idea how many are up there. Because what I've been doing is I've
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been going through your videos and trying to count computers on the shelves
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in the background. Oh my word. I just guessed. Guessing is for suckers, Myke. No, I mean,
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well, you know what? How about we'll see, won't we? Okay. Steven, can I get a link to
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your inventory thing to put in the show notes? Cause I can't find it. Yes, but we can look
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at it after. Ah, yes. I want to look at it now. Do I? Yep. Okay. Okay. Okay. So do we
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do desktops first? Yes. Okay, so Myke, how many desktops do you think I have? 35. Okay,
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Federico? Uh, I'm gonna go with 20. The total number of desktops is 40. Oh my god, oh my god,
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wow, I'm so gonna lose this. Oh boy. Oh, I need to adjust my hacking number now. You're a problem.
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We're just keeping the guesses, so... No no no, because you've got the iPads in there,
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I need to adjust my Hackett number. Oh okay yeah yeah. Federico, did you adjust your Hackett number
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calculation? Yeah I did. Okay. You divided by five right? We have five people in the house.
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Yeah. All right, you can carry on, I'm just doing some stuff. Okay so notebooks...
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40? How can you have 40? You'd be surprised. So Federico, how many notebooks are you guessing
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are in the collection? Oh well, this is gonna be super wrong, uh 35 notebooks. That is super
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Myke what about you? 50. You are super close the number is 52. Yeah! Oh my god. Very close.
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How's you counting? How's your counting doing for you? Huh? Oh my god. Alright iPads. Let's talk
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about iPads. Myke, how many iPads do I have? 10. And Federico? 8. You are equally wrong. I have 9.
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9 iPads. That's frustrating. So you split the middle. So that, oh and we, so I counted server
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separately, there's two servers, we'll just add them to the desktop number, so that's 42
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desktops. That brings the total to 100, I think. 40 plus 52 plus 2 plus 9.
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Oh, I broke, I broke, Alfred.
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It's not one, it's not 100, it's 101, I think? No. I can do math.
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Oh my god, it's 40 more than I expected.
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You underestimated, Steven.
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The Hackett number is 20.6.
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My Hackett number was 23.75.
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And Federico's, yours was 12.6.
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So I won big time.
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Yeah, because I thought he was a normal person.
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See, I never would have assumed such a thing.
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Like, you know, just yes, I have been there, but by being there,
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I've seen as much as you've seen by looking on videos.
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There are just stacks and stacks of laptops.
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Like that's that's the thing.
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The amount of laptops that I expected there would be
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is what made me bump up my numbers across everything.
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I knew the laptop number would be like 50 or something
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like that because there's--
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how many MacBook Pros do you have?
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Or like aluminum, like metal laptops.
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That's got to be like over 30.
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Yeah, it's pretty close probably because I've
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got a lot of iBooks and PowerBooks
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that are plastic and stuff.
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That is wild, Steven.
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So there are 20 computers per human being.
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- There are over 100 computers in Steven's house.
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- We haven't even gotten-- - I just try and think about
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that. - To the three bonus rounds
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that we have for other various computing devices.
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- You have over 100 computers
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for essentially you and your wife,
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because you have three kids,
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and your wife is like, you're only gonna use like what,
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a MacBook and an iPad? So you have 101 computers for yourself? You are a greedy person!
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You're like the Scrooge McDuck of computers. You just have a massive pool that you jump
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into and swim around in. You could open up a school and furnish the
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school with computers. I mean it would be very bad for most students.
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Yeah, most students go to the software.
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Well, they would be better than most Chromebooks, but still.
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Alright, bonus rounds.
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We're not even done yet!
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Bonus rounds.
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We're not even done!
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How many Newton devices do I have?
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Now this one, so we talk about like, like...
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I don't even know.
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What's the...
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The Newton is...
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This number could be telling, because if me and Federico are very close, if you are significantly
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higher than this, then the lengths of your problem have yet to be...
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Yeah, it goes much deeper.
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I guessed five.
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Five newtons.
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I guessed four.
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I have four.
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Man, I am dead on with this.
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Yeah, well, it's getting ready to change.
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How many iPhones?
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words. You're so reserved. Such an iPhone hater. You are... uh... iPods? I said 15. Now see I went big on this one. I went to 30 iPods. Didn't go big enough because the
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answer is 42. 42 iPods? Oh my god. You have 42 iPods? Why do you only have 15 iPhones? 42 iPods even exist? Oh yeah. Or is it...
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I could go way higher because I only have oh, yeah, the nanos only have the blue and orange ones
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But there's billions of nano colors if you have 42 iPods. Why do you only have 15 iPhones?
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Because iPhones hold their value way higher on the the second-hand market and I don't keep my old iPhones
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They go to family members who slowly destroy them
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So yeah, but like you can't say that that 42 number of iPods is because you keep iPods
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No, it's not
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So one day you will have over 40 iPhones, but you just need to wait for them to all be old enough.
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Look, you gotta open up a museum, man. Like, I don't know, build like a shed or something, like an actual exhibition.
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Yeah, I mean people could just come here, but it's my office, so please don't come here.
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Well, not right now, huh?
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I'm recording right now. Can't come now.
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Well, also, like, it would have to be a super big museum because social distancing.
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So, hold on, 103 computers plus 4 Newtons, that's 107, plus 15, that's 122?
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Plus 42 iPods, that's 164.
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And I didn't count, like, I think Apple TVs is like 4 or 5, I have some airport base stations,
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like I have other stuff, but as far as things that were counted.
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So if we do include the number to have iPhones, iPods and Newtons, which I think is, I mean,
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we didn't include it in the standard Haggit number, but you could if you wanted to, it's
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You gotta sit down with your kids and tell them, kids, one day you will own 32 computers
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Well, I mean, by the time he actually sits down to have that conversation, it's definitely
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going to be more, isn't it?
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But like, so if we do it the same, it's like, it's like, Mary has two.
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You have 162 devices.
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Just for yourself.
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Well, they're for the audience.
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No they're not.
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Greedy, no, they're for yourself.
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No they're not.
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You know why I know they're not?
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Because you texted us and said you found things you didn't know you had.
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That's true.
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So, you know, who's that?
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Who are those ones for?
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You, for the future.
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But so for context, how long have you been collecting, collecting things?
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I got my cube which was like the first collection piece probably like eight or nine years ago
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but I only had when I moved in this office I probably had I mean maybe 25 or 30 items
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it's really gross.
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So assuming you started nine years ago that would be an average of 18 items you buy each
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Which is 1.5 a month.
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That's a lot of good number, isn't it?
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So what have you bought this month, Stephen?
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I bought that ADC to DVI adapter for that video.
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We didn't even include it in dongles, and just offered a little peripheral items.
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How many displays do you have?
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That video had all of my Apple displays in it.
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All three of them.
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Well, no, four, because I have a CRT Apple display over here that I didn't draw up.
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Because last time I plugged it in, it made a weird noise.
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I'm afraid of it.
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And they're really dangerous.
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That was a stupid technology.
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Yeah, CRTs? Oh yeah. Seriously. And I will say, you know, I'm sure people out there are
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just worried. That's fine.
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Yeah, I was gonna ask, do you think it's a problem?
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I mean, looking at these numbers, it's hard to argue with that.
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Okay, good. I just want to make sure that you have the clarity of mind to at least understand
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those numbers are high.
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I'm not trying to stop you.
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I am not. No one's no one's trying
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to take your computers away.
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The majority of these are in my
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little like 200 square foot office
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because I have shelving.
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You know, there's 11.
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There's 11 max in the attic.
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You can't justify it by saying
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you have space like that's
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not a justification.
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Someone in the chat room was like,
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what is your house look like?
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It's like, well, they're all out
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in our old house, they were in
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random closets and my wife would
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have to move an Apple to see to get
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diapers out. It was very upset with
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me. Yeah, the studio was a bad move really for this because like you were limited by
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how much your family was willing to cope with. Now they don't even know. Now they don't even
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know. You don't even know, nobody knows. I don't know. We haven't even considered, like
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if you go to the Apple collection page on your website, Steven, and just go to the mice
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section, you have the USB mouse in Bondi Blue, Blueberry, Graphite, Grape, Lime, Strawberry
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and tangerine. Yeah. Like you have all the... Oh, there's a lot of mice here. There's a lot of mice.
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There's things like iPod socks, of course. There's like, there are some extra things.
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You have over three mice per person. The Hackett number on mice alone is over three.
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And this collection page now is, I think, as up to date as it can be.
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The Hackett number on quick take cameras is 0.6.
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I have all three of them.
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Yeah, that's good.
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This is so much better and worse at the same time than I expected.
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It's a real situation.
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Because like...
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You have a Hackett number of one on the 5C.
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Yeah, I've got all the...
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Everyone in your home could have a 5C.
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I want the blue one. I call it the blue one.
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No, I'm sure you'll get first pick, don't worry.
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The iBook G3, Hackett number of one.
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Okay, so now we have a set... so okay, part of the reason of doing this
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is so we could establish the baseline because then it becomes a convertible number.
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So we are set and the actual official Hackett number is 20.6 because that's the rules that
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we decided on. So if you need a refresher so everybody can play at home if they want to...
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Yes. I want to see a bigger Hackett number with proof if you have a bigger number.
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Sure, you gotta ask the Airy Ford Museum.
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I didn't even count those 13 iMacs that I gave to them. They don't count.
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Yeah, that's kind of you. You know, you only have 100 left.
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Yeah. Wait, so you said 13.
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Well, they're not in this number because I gave them to the Henry Ford.
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I was going to say the Hackett number of computers donated to the Henry Ford Museum is 2.6.
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Which is a lot.
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But okay, so we're now, from now on,
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when we say hackit number, we mean 20.6.
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That is the--
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When is that ever going to come up?
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Right, but like, because I just, because now when we say the hackit number,
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it has to be a fraction of that, right?
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So the baseline of a hackit number is 20.6.
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So if we set that as the baseline,
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so that is now the equivalent of 1, right?
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Because that is a hackit number.
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a Hackett number. So if Google buys Evernote for $20,600, it's some, you know, multiplication
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of the Hackett number. Sure. I don't really understand $20,600. Well, I was trying to
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be funny because they're not worth anything. $20.6 million. Right. Then it would be 1 million
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Hacketts. $20,000 is about right. So the Hackett number is 20.6. So if you owned 10.3 per person
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in your home, you are 0.5 hackettes. Right? So that's the equivalent, that's like the
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baseline because you remember we were setting it like the kilogram? So the hackit number
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is 20.6, that's the value, so one hackit is 20.6. That's where we're going from now. This
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now needs to live in our document forever because we will forget it otherwise. Yeah,
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I'll put it in the bottom somewhere. Oh, great suggestion from Kate. What do we need to do
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to get James to put this into Peacock. I mean honestly, I've found not much because I got
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him to put in from a long conversation between me, Grey and James at a dinner table, we were
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able to convince James to put into Peacock two values. One is like the mass of a rock
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And then also, The Rock.
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Right now he's working on a die set for me with the 13 iMac colors.
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I sent him high res versions of the Flower Power and Blue Dalmatian graphics.
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You see, it's not hard to get James to do things for you.
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You've just got to get him on board that it's a fun idea.
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So if you're a friend of James Thompson, you can end up with some wild things.
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I actually got him to change something very important in PCALC, which I don't know if
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I want to say publicly, I'll tell you about it later on, but it was like a big thing.
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I just asked him to do it.
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agree that it made more sense. No, actually I think it's fine to say. We'll find out.
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So when you hit the percentage indicator in Peacock, so if I did like 20,000 minus 17%,
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when you hit percent, it shows you what 17% is before you press equals, and then it gives
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you the answer, because that mimics Apple's calculator. That's how the Apple calculator
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does it. And I convinced him to change that, and that's now the default behavior in Peacock.
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So if I do 20,000 minus 17%... what's this number?
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That's 17% of 20,000.
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Yeah, and when you press equals...
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And you came up with this?
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I didn't come up with it.
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Apple's calculator does this.
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And when you press equal?
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It gives you the answer.
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This is amazing.
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That's the way the calculator... because you get both then.
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You get both answers.
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That is really nice.
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So Apple's calculator does that.
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So I requested that I told James that I wanted it, and he said nobody ever asked for it before
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and agreed to me that it made sense.
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You are an app director, Michael.
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I just got promoted.
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The chat room has a good idea.
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June 20th will be Hack It Day.
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Put it in the calendar!
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Hack It Day.
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Oh, it's a Saturday.
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What can we do? What can we do? Can you like, I don't know, donate a computer on Hackett day?
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Each year you donate a computer to a good cause.
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I thought you meant like to Steven. Like everyone sends Steven a computer.
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That is a good cause.
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Each year you got a new computer on that day.
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And I'll say too, a lot of these have come from people, like right now
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I have someone mailing me a MacBook Pro. Like people just email me
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wanting to know if I want something that they found that they were gonna recycle otherwise.
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And I say no to a lot of that stuff, but I also say yes to some of it
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So that that is a lot of these are donations, right? I'm not spending money every every
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Three and a half weeks on something on eBay
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Mmm. Well somebody is though like somebody
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Yeah, but you know someone mails me a performa right also hack it number dot report
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will forward to the
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To what collection page
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Relay.fm/membership. Wait, did somebody buy HackItNumber.com? I couldn't, it wasn't for sale, so I bought HackItNumber.Report instead.
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There's no way that like, no HackItNumber.com is available, and I now own it.
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Oh, Hovard didn't show it to me as being available.
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Well, it's because I was, just because they kept it for me. Hmm. Well, I have HackItNumber.Report, which I think is funny, too.
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Oh, I think somebody's bought it from out underneath me. Yeah, I couldn't buy it, so. Some of the chat room may be buying it.
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Someone's got it in their cart. Yeah. Alright, so... 20.6. Wow. So, June 20th.
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June 20th. Put it on my calendar. 20.6 computers per capita. I was not expecting this, honestly.
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Thank you for your counting, Steven. You're welcome. What did you use to keep
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track of these numbers. What app did you use?
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Mmm. Good question.
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T.O.T. See, Myke?
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You're using T.O.T.
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Everyone's using T.O.T. now. I own HackItNumber.com.
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Where are you going to forward it?
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I don't know. Maybe this episode?
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Okay. And then HackItNumber.report will go to the collection page.
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HackItNumber.
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No, you should go to HackItNumber.com.
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Yeah. You know what?
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Always go to the double redirect.
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Are you going to put the HackItNumber on your page?
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Oh, I should.
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Yeah, and then I'll send it there.
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Okay, yeah, I'll link to this episode and then explain it.
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We're having a meeting now, everyone.
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So this is on your Apple collection page?
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That's where you're going to put it?
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That's where I'm forwarding the domain to.
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That was fun.
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That was actually a lot of fun.
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That was surprising.
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I'm not surprised.
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Like it was a lot to take, but I'm still not surprised if that makes sense.
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I know he had a problem, but not to this extent.
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And those iPods, I mean, I don't know what's more upsetting, if it's the notebooks or...
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No, actually the desktops.
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It's either the desktops for me, like 42 desktops, that's insane.
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Especially because a lot of those are old, so they're really big.
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But the desktops, like 42 desktops.
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And they're massive, like these towers? Wow.
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Yeah, that's the worst.
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That's the worst number.
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42 desktops.
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That's a lot of desktops.
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Should we take a break?
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Man, everyone just wanted to hear us talk about the Magic Keyboard, right?
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That's why people tuned in.
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Oh yeah, the Magic Keyboard.
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We should talk about that.
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We'll do it after this break.
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- All right, so the iPad Magic Keyboard.
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Federico has one, I have one.
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Stevens is on the way, I believe?
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- Yeah, it could be here as we record.
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So if it is, I'll disappear, but I don't have one yet.
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So I'm gonna let you guys share your impressions.
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- So I read Federico's wonderful article.
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You wrote a great article, Federico Bravo, on that one.
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- Thank you, thank you.
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I figured we could maybe go through, some of my notes that I've made are taken from
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observations of reading your article, some are taken from my own use cases.
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I figure we'll just go through all of this as we go.
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And then Stephen, I guess you can ask us questions in case you want to know anything you didn't
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So I think it's probably, I think maybe funnily enough, the least exciting part of this whole
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product or like the thing that is getting spoken about the least is the thing that it's
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really supposed to do the most and it's to be a very good keyboard and it is a very good
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keyboard and that's not really the exciting part of it. You know what I'm saying? It's
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like the keyboard is excellent, right? Like the actual keyboard itself. I find it to be
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better than most or if any laptop keyboard I've tried recently and it doesn't feel like
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any concessions have been made for this keyboard. The way the keys feel themselves, they feel
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full-sized, they're nice and stable. It's great, right Federico? It's just like a great
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keyboard. It's a very good keyboard. I've never used one of the new keyboards in the
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16-inch MacBook Pro or the new MacBook Air. I have an old external Magic keyboard and
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I have as a frame of reference the Sylvia's old 13-inch MacBook Pro with the butterfly keyboard.
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And this is so much better than the butterfly keyboard. It has a bit less travel than the old
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Magic Keyboard, but it's totally fine for me. I like typing on it. It feels nice, it feels great.
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It's quite stable. I honestly have no complaints. The backlight is really even. We both have the
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the 12.9, I'm very curious to try out the 11 and see how that feels as a keyboard
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because it's naturally going to be more cramped, right? Like it has to be because
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on the 12.9 the keyboard runs all the way to the edges. So like I wonder what
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that feels like but the 12.9 is very very good. It's very very good. One of the
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things that surprised me the most when I was watching all of the YouTube videos
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that were coming out in advance, right, because there were people that were
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receiving this thing before any reviewers could publish reviews,
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was that the level of adjustability seemed less than I expected it to be.
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And it is, like even in using it. But I've found that at the same time,
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when I'm used in a device itself, it's as much as I need it to be.
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I thought it was going to go back further, but I haven't had a situation in using it over the last 24 hours,
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which admittedly is only 24 hours, where I feel like I've needed more adjustability from it.
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Right, right. Yeah. I think we mentioned that we basically knew that it was not going to fold all the way into the back of the iPad,
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and judging from the comments that I've seen and the discussion that I've seen on Twitter and Reddit,
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I think a lot of people were actually expecting the opposite.
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They thought that they would be able to fold and to have a 180-degree folding angle, basically,
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like to completely hide the keyboard in the back of the case and use the iPad in tablet
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mode, like in drawing mode for the pencil, or just if you wanted to use the software
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As you can do with the SmartKeybarfolio and the SmartFolio, you can fold the entire thing
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in the back of the device. And that's not possible with a magic keyboard. But I think,
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we mentioned this is not going to be possible, and we talked about my kickstands, we said
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you're not going to be able to use the kickstands because this thing is not going to fold. But
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I agree with you that I haven't found myself in the position of saying, "Oh, well, I wish
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that the screen would go a little further or... I haven't yet found myself wishing for
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a bigger viewing angle, if that makes sense. So I do appreciate that I can bring the iPad
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closer to me. Say that I'm laying in bed and I have the... using the iPad with the Magic
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keyboard, I can bring the iPad closer to the keyboard and it stays
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attached and it doesn't fall and crash onto the keyboard.
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That's because of the hinge, that it's a relatively stiff inch.
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But I don't know, I've seen a lot of complaints about "oh the hinge is too
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stiff" or maybe "oh the keyboard is way too heavy" and I don't feel
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that way. I think the stiffness of the hinge is regular, like it's normal. It's exactly
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what I expected it to be. And the weight and the weight distribution is also like... it
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made sense for me right away. I was not expecting this keyboard to be as lightweight as the
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smart keyboard. And I guess we were all expecting this. But I'm very surprised, and maybe this
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is like my general reaction. I'm very surprised by other people's surprised reaction. Like,
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what were you thinking? That this was going to be super lightweight, despite the fact
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that it's an actual keyboard with backlit keys and a trackpad, and it needs to support
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a floating design? Not even the floating design means it needs to be heavy. Any keyboard like
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this would, if it's like to give you adjustability, has to be heavy.
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But especially because it's a floating design, which means it's entirely based on this two-hinge
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system and magnets. You gotta put that weight somewhere, right? That's just how physics
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work? Like, what were you expecting? And so, I don't know, I find most of the conversations
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surrounding "Oh, it's an heavy keyboard" or "Oh, it doesn't let you fold it all the way".
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Quite surprising because Apple decided to go with this design direction, and we can
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talk about that. But how can you wish for... It seems like wishing for impossible things
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here. Like, I like the design...
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I think a lot of these opinions are held by people that want to use the product. They
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an iPad keyboard to be something else. And if you are someone who thinks like this is too heavy for
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me or I can't fold it around to the back, well the Smart Folio is the thing for you, right? Like
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that's what that's for. You know there is like this product is a focused product, you know, it is
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a product for people that use a keyboard so much with an iPad that they want to make it more laptop
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like they want to make it more adjustable, they want to have pass-through charging,
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and will therefore take the weight addition of this becoming laptop weight, right? Like
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that if you're going to carry it around or put it in your bag, you have a laptop now, right? Like
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that's what you have. But in it being a laptop, it's way more comfortable to use on your lap.
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You can pick it up and carry it around by the base, right? Like these are two things
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that were either difficult to do or not as comfortable to do. Like, well,
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Wasn't as comfortable. This is more comfortable to use than the smart folio. Not wildly, right?
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Like it still has a sharp edge that can dig into your leg. You know, it's it's still it's not
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completely balanced in every situation, but it's way better than that. And like you couldn't pick
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up like comfortably confidently the smart folio by the keyboard part and carry your iPad around.
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But you can do that with this because it's more like a laptop because this thing is super sturdy.
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I really want to see someone tear one of these down because I want to know what is in that base
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because it's very thin, very heavy, like it does not flex at all which is wild but like anyway my
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point being that like this the magic keyboard for iPad Pro is a device for people that consider
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a keyboard vital to the usage of an iPad Pro which is not everyone, it doesn't need to be everybody
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and for the type of person that uses it so much that they're willing to make some trade-offs.
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Right? And like if you are not that person, then there are other products available, which is great.
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And at the same time I feel like, and this is not something that I think enough people are
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considering, and which is why I try to make this point multiple times in my story,
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it's a keyboard that turns your iPad into a laptop, but it's also a keyboard designed to
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invite you to detach the iPad when you want to use it as a tablet.
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And I feel like that is an important design decision that needs to be considered, that needs
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to be understood about the Magic Keyboard. Because Apple could have gone in a bunch of different
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design directions, right? They could have done something like the Breach Keyboard, they could
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have done something like Logitech and Zag, for example, have done before, with these cases where
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where you snap the iPad into, and you have a laptop form factor, but it's also very difficult
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and it's like a chore if you want to remove the iPad from it. Whereas the Magic Keyboard
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has been designed with the entire thing with the floating design and the magnets. It's
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not just to be fancy, it's to be a design that invites you, that encourages you to detach
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the iPad when you want to switch to tablet mode. And I think that's an important design
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aspect of the Magic Keyboard and not enough reviews or pointing out. Most people are saying,
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"Yeah, it turns your iPad into a laptop." But the "why" of the design, you know, like
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the way that it works from a design perspective is, yes, it lets you turn the iPad into a
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laptop, and yes, it has a customizable viewing angle, but it's designed that way with that
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floating design because it makes it as easy as it could be for you to detach the iPad
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and hold the screen in your hands.
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I found that the detaching was possible. It's not easy or natural to just pick the iPad
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up off the stand. Really?
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Like I've had many times where the stand comes with me.
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Really? Yeah. What I'm saying is your mileage may vary
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on this. Sure.
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But it is not like, "Oh, you just pick it up and it stays exactly..." No, that's not
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the case. I mean, if you cannot do it with one hand though,
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we're talking about like using your left hand on the keyboard and picking it up with the right hand.
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Which is fantastic, but like the marketing and everyone's been like "oh you just pick it up with
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one" and you can, it's possible to do it with the 12.9 inch, but it doesn't work every time.
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Sometimes the keyboard comes with it. I've also seen a video sent to us from listener Lamin on
00:57:28
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the 11th, it just doesn't work at all. The 11 inch one, like there's just the weight distribution I
00:57:34
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guess is different, but like it just stays connected, right? But again you compare it
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to a bridge keyboard, you compare it to the Logitech, what you call the slim combo.
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They're way harder to get off. I found the bridge keyboard less frustrating than you to remove,
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but comparatively between these two, it's night and day. Like we're in different product categories
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at this point. Stuffing the iPad into those clips of the bridge keyboard and getting the rubber to
00:58:00
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align just right? It's a bad feeling. It's like, and it feels like you're squishing, you know,
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Oh, no, no, no, no.
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This is so much better.
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You know, it doesn't, it doesn't, it just pales in comparison, right?
00:58:15
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Like what I'm saying is it is incredibly easy to remove this device from it whilst also
00:58:21
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staying connected when you need it to, which is the wonder of the design here, right?
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That you can very easily remove it, but it also stays put.
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It's like perfectly balanced.
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My point is just like, it's very easy to do it.
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not as easy always as the ads would let you believe, but they're advertising, right? Like
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of course they show the best. I just wanted to get it out there because I've just seen
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a lot of people say like, oh, you can remove it one hand. And I think it perpetuates this
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idea that it's like the keyboard always stays put, but it's not the way it works. It's also
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tricky to open, right? Like it's not... In my mind it wasn't going to be as difficult.
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Like we're having very different experiences here.
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Can you open it one hand only?
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That's what I mean.
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What I'm saying is…
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But is that a problem?
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Like is that a problem?
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Using two hands, is that a problem?
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No, but what I'm saying is not what I expected.
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Like I just in my mind didn't think that it would be like, the hinges would be so stiff,
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but I know they need to be, I want them to be, but like it's, you know, they're just,
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The reason I'm saying a lot of this stuff is I just want to set the realistic expectations
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for our listeners for some of this stuff because there are things... this product you have
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to accept physics to accept it. There are things that you imagine this thing you would
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want it to do. I would want infinite adjustability everywhere. But it can't do that because then
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it would just fall to pieces all the time, right? I would love it to flip around to the
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back, but you can't do that, right? I would love to be able to open it up like I do a
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laptop, right? Just one hand, but that's not the case because the hinge needs to be stiff
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because the iPad's where all the weight is. And I only say all of these things so I get
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that out of the way because I'm absolutely in love with this keyboard. It is unbelievably
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well designed, it is fantastically executed. They completely nailed it. Apple have given
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me the iPad 2 in 1 that I have wanted for a long time now. Since Jason first put the
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idea in my mind of an iPad laptop, which was a long time ago now, before I ever tried a
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Brydge keyboard, I was like "Oh that could be interesting" and then over time I've bought
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different products to try and give me that and I've gotten most of the way there but
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this thing is it, right? Like it is it. The keyboard is fantastic. It is adjustable in
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the way that I need and there's a freaking trackpad at the bottom of it. It completely
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changes the way I use the device. It's amazing. You don't have to charge it. Exactly. When
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you disconnect the iPad you don't have to make sure that you turn it off because it's
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not Bluetooth. So when you detach the iPad, the keyboard is also gone. So yeah.
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And it charges at full power, which I did not expect.
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It doesn't seem to support fast charging, but I'm not surprised by that. So it's almost
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full speed, but it's not, I mean, it's obviously more than five watts, but it's not like 30
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watts. I think it averages around 20 maybe.
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But yeah, I was definitely expecting it was going to be a, it will trickle charge.
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Right. I was expecting that too, so I'm surprised.
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But it's doing full charging but not high speed charging.
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So it's like you can continue using it and it will continue charging,
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but you can't plug it into the big chargers and get a fast charge from it.
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There's some nuance in understanding that it's a little bit confusing.
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Which is fine because I mean it's literally power going through a tube,
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going to three pins in the back of a tablet.
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Like, it's totally fine. You know, I'll take those 20 watts or whatever.
01:02:13
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Yeah, exactly. I want to ask you all about the trackpad
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I had assumed this was gonna be like the magic trackpad and not moving and how does it feel to go back to a trackpad?
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That actually clicks you would never know a difference really
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Yeah, because because they they do the all like the entire thing clicks, right?
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You know, you could tell me it was
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The force touch trackpad and I would believe you because it's so consistent and feels so good
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like it's as good as a trackpad clickly in a clicky perspective as you would
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want do you agree Federico? Oh because there's another trackpad that doesn't
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click? No no no that it's perfect. Yeah it's a perfect trackpad but yeah just
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like no but Steven mentioned how does it feel to go back to a trackpad that
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physically clicks? Yeah yeah because like in the laptops they don't physically
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click it's all... Oh but I don't own a laptop so I don't know. Yeah okay. Yeah I have
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no idea, like I have no reference for that. What about the Magic Trackpad? Oh, it doesn't
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physically click? No, you see, you wouldn't know, right? Like it just feels the same now.
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It just feels the same to me, I don't know. So here's the thing Federico, fun thing for
01:03:22
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you to do, turn off your Magic Trackpad and poke it. It breaks your brain. Oh yeah, it
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doesn't do anything, it's like the old home button when the iPhone was off. Oh yeah, I
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guess it's not a physical click then. But it just feels like it though. Yeah, they feel
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exactly the same. It's satisfyingly clicky, I find. I think it's great. This whole thing
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is satisfyingly clicky. The keyboard is clicky enough and it feels good. The trackpad feels
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good. I have had no problem with the size of the trackpad. It's a small trackpad. Federico,
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you measured it, right?
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Five centimeters by ten centimeters. I have no idea what that's like in inches or whatever.
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Yeah, who needs it? But like which feels wild because Magic Trackpads are so massive.
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That is 1.9 inches by 3.93 inches.
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I got a lot of love for this. I got a lot of love for this product.
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Yeah, it's um... the trackpad is one centimeter shorter than the trackpad in the bridge keyboard Pro Plus,
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but this is a trackpad that works and lets you click everywhere. Like you can literally click everywhere.
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You don't have dead spots in the trackpad where you cannot physically click.
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It works everywhere and it supports up to four-finger gestures.
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And I find the four-finger gestures to be a little tricky, like they require a bit of additional precision,
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but three fingers are totally fine.
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And the three, actually the three-finger and four-finger gestures are basically the same on iPadOS, at least right now.
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I am, and I've seen a friend of the show, Steve Chandler-Smith, tweet about this.
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I am seeing some difficulties now when trying to pinch to zoom and like pinch you close and open,
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like in photos for example.
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I do believe this is the kind of thing that will be fixed with a software update.
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It feels like that. It doesn't feel like a physical limitation of the trackpad
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because it's a multi-touch trackpad.
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So the pinch to zoom thing, it does feel to me like something that will be fixed on the iPadOS side.
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I am, and this is now, I know that it's my problem but I need to mention it,
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I am adjusting the way that I type
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and the way that I place my hands on the keyboard because every once in a while
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I bump my fingers against the bottom
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edge of the iPad because when the iPad, because the iPad is floating on top of
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the keyboard
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at its most open angle the bottom edge of the iPad is
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sort of parallel to the number row, and sometimes my finger bumps against that,
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which means that when I'm typing I accidentally touch something on the screen. I know that it's
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because of the way I type, because I don't type with all my fingers, I've never learned how to
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professionally type. I must be doing something weird with my hands, I'm not like one of those
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people that can type with all their fingers and look at the screen. Every few seconds I need to
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to look down at the keyboard. I've never learned, because I've never been taught how to actually
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type like a professional. And so I'm a just like a professional. Just I type with my index
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fingers really fast. That's what I do. But I'm not like Jason style. I am. I am still
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trying to get my head around this. You are touching the screen. Yeah. Cause he's, he's,
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he's typing with his index fingers, like little finger guns. And so are your knuckles touching
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the screen? Yes, exactly. Yeah, I was like holding my hands out up in the air. I'm still
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not sure how you're touching the screen though. What fingers are touching the screen? For
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example, like my middle finger occasionally. Ah, I get you now. Okay, now I understand.
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Right, right, right, right. I've seen you type, now I can get it together, right? Like
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I've seen the way that you type. You type slightly differently to me, but you are very
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index fingery. So you kind of like, "Yeah, I understand now. Yeah, that's interesting."
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But I think I'm adjusting. I think I've done some typing today and I think I was doing
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already better than yesterday. So I just need to slightly change the way that I move my
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fingers around when I type. But I think I'll be okay. I've had these issues before and
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I'll always adjust when I was using different keyboards with the iPad in the past. Also,
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issue, that it's not a big deal, it's only happening to me, I've checked with other people,
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this is specific to my Magic Keyboard, so I don't know if I got a faulty unit, I don't
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think it's a faulty unit, I think it's a problem with the setup that I have that I will describe
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now. Sometime, and again, please don't make this a big deal, it's not a big deal, it's
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not happening to any, you know, all the other people that I've asked have not seen this
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problem but my Magic Keyboard makes a buzzing sort of hissing noise only only when I charge it
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with a USB-C cable of course coming from the ultra fine 4k display into the USB-C port of the Magic
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keyboard. It's a very loud buzzing noise. I sent you guys a recording yesterday. It woke us up
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a couple of nights ago. The dogs thought that it was like a bug or something and they started
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barking because they are afraid of bugs. But it's like... it's very loud, actually. And it only
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happens when I try and charge the keyboard using the Ultrafine 4K, because the Ultrafine 4K can
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also act as a USB-C hub and power source. So, I don't know what's going on there. It's not
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promising as a thing for the keyboard to do, so I'm gonna keep an eye on it. But also, I mean,
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I don't charge this computer during the day, so I'm fine with charging the iPad via the iPad's
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own USB-C port, you know, at night. But I just thought I would mention this because
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maybe there's something going on, maybe not. Maybe this keyboard is going to explode, maybe
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not. I hope it doesn't, because I really like it. So yeah. But aside from that, I absolutely
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love this keyboard. It's, yeah, I mean, it's in the story. It's very easy to tell. I think
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it only takes you like 30 minutes or maybe an hour to say "Okay, yeah, this is the real
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They've done it again in terms of redefining the iPad Pro experience by just giving you
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a new accessory.
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It's fascinating how much an accessory can change your perception and your usage of a
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And I know that there's more to the accessory, right?
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It's the combination of the accessory and iPadOS and 13.4.
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But still, it's quite remarkable how you buy a different piece and the main computer changes
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It's, you know, fascinating to me.
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Do you think this is going to really change how you work with the iPad day to day?
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I mean, you're using it as a desktop a lot of the time.
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Do you feel like that's getting ready to change again?
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I do believe there will be a healthier balance of when I use the iPad in desktop mode and
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when I use it in laptop mode with the Magic Keyboard, because I cannot stare down at a
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laptop configuration all day long. I do think it's better for my neck and for my posture
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in general to work with the Ultrafine 4K and to keep my head straight and look at the screen
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in front of me, whereas with the Magic Keyboard I'm always going to have to stare down, and
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I know that's gonna be super bad long term for my back and for my shoulders and everything.
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But I do really like using it though. And I mentioned this in the story, I feel like I
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must have really missed having a laptop in my life, because it just produces so much enjoyment
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for me to be able to just lay in bed or just stay on the sofa and have the iPad in front of me,
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and use the trackpad without having to constantly lift my hands off the keyboard and touch the screen.
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It just feels so nice and I must have really missed this feeling since I stopped using MacBooks
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eight years ago or something. I want to get something that can raise the Magic Keyboard
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off my desk. Yes. Stop using the stand that I use and so now I will just put it down
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on something and then use my external keyboard and trackpad but never take it out.
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Like a bunch of books or some some desktop computers?
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Or like one of those 12 south stands that they do for the...
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Yeah, I mean, you know, for when I can ever go back to my studio, like my desk has
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the laptop VESA arm which will work perfectly fine for this but for what for at home right now
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I just, because I don't want to, it's frustrating to like have to put it in the stand, take it out,
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put it back in, put it, like I would prefer to just set it down. Like Adina has a, we got her
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a new desk and she has one of these laptop arms, she just puts her laptop on the laptop stand on
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the face arm. So I want something like that now for my desk where I do all of my kind of like
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typical desk work and then that will be great. Then I have to take it out, put it back, take it
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it out, put it back. Because this is nice and adjustable anyway, so it will work perfectly.
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I just need something to put it on, to lift it off the desk a bit.
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The 12 south curve stand for MacBook and laptops looks very nice.
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I'll take a look.
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It looks like it's fairly big.
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Is it going to raise it high enough though? That's what I want to know.
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There's a diagram of somebody staring straight ahead.
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not massive but it may be enough. I don't think that's high enough. Like my Viacom
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stand is high off the table. Yeah it's not as high as the Viacom. Yeah I see, I
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want something that can raise it high. But I'm sure there's something like this
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maybe by another company exists. It doesn't have to be iPad specific I mean
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as long. It's basically a 13-inch laptop. Yeah, you just need a laptop stand.
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Federico, can you talk about the media keys and the brightness issues, or what's going
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on there? There are no media keys on the Magic Keyboard,
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which is unfortunate, and I really think that in a future revision Apple should figure out
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a way to have an additional row of function keys and media keys to control brightness
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and music playback, have a home button basically. I know that Myke wishes for a physical home
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button. That's the only one I care about. I don't care about media keys, I just want
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a home button. Personally, that's all I want. Are you going to use it to go back home or
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to open multitasking and stuff? I got really used to having a physical home button on the
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bridge keyboard. So I know I have the trackpad but I very frequently
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would tap that home button after doing something on a keyboard, right?
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Send a message, go home, right? That's something I would do all the time and
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it's just my hands are on the keyboard and I know that I can do command H to go
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home. I know that exists, I use it now, it's what I do, but it's just much nicer
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said I have just a button in the place of the escape key, which is where it was, considering
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there's no escape key. It's like the perfect placement for a button like that. I would
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like that. Apple has gone some way to allow me to remap modifiers. Just let me change
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the Caps Lock key to a Home key. Just let me do that. That's what I want, and then I'll
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be happy, you know?
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Because there are no media keys, if you want to change the brightness of the Magic Keyboard's
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keys manually, you have to go in Settings. And it's quite the trip to Settings, because
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you've got to do Settings > General > Keyboard > Hardware keyboard, and there you will find
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a slider that lets you manually adjust the keyboard's brightness. Now, I've been totally
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fine with letting the keyboard adjust its own brightness automatically via the ambient
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sensor. Like, I have not felt the need to manually slide this slider, but a lot of
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people are saying that it's annoying that they cannot do so quickly. So thanks
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to the help of Max Stories readers, we figured out the path to take you directly
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to that page in Settings. And in my story I've included a simple two action
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shortcut that you can save as a widget and you can tap from the iPad home screen even,
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and it takes you directly into the hardware keyboard page of settings. Directly from the
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widget, it doesn't even take you to shortcuts first, it jumps straight into settings, straight
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into the hardware keyboard page. So that's at least convenient if you're one of those people who want
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to manually change the keyboard's brightness, you can do that. Another complaint that I've seen is
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the lack of an escape key on the Magic Keyboard, and that is true, there's no escape key on
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this keyboard, just like it wasn't on the Smart Keyboard Folio before. But a little
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known fact of iOS and iPadOS is that for years now there has been a system-wide keyboard
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shortcut that replaces all functions of the escape key, which means closing photos, closing
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video players
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Dismissing any kind of preview screen or you know menu and that keyboard shortcut that again works
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everywhere in every single app because it's a system shortcut like command C to copy is
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command period so if you did not know this until yesterday that
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Replicates the functionality of the escape key everywhere on iPad OS so
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That's been a shortcut on the Mac forever
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Back in like the classic Mac OS you could do command period to quit a file copy
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I think in logic it works to quit a bounce
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So if you're exporting something and then rels you screwed up does it's it's all over the Mac
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So like I guess it makes sense to be on the iPad but an escape key would make
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Just a billion times more so I mean nicer would be nice a lot nicer thumbs up for the magic keyboard
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So happy so far right it's so good. It's good
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I'm in love with it. It's like...
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You know, I feel like I really wanted to just get out some things which I think are not like...
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magical, wonderful about it.
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You know, like just to have them out there.
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But overall this thing is absolutely awesome.
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Like it's exactly what I wanted from a product.
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It's given me something...
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It's given me like an experience that I've wanted for a long time.
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where I feel like I actually have an Apple Made 2-in-1, which is what I wanted.
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Oh yeah, and speaking of which, because you've said a long time, and I feel like we need to
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address this, because somebody on Reddit... Why are you doing this?
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If you've started with somebody on Reddit, like, you know...
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So this person actually even replied to my reply, and they were actually kind of nice,
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but I feel like they were making a bigger point that it's worth addressing on the show.
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Basically, the original comment said "I cannot stand" or like "it bothers me" how people
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like Federico and Myke, they're saying that the Magic Keyboard is what they've always
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wanted while unconnected in the past, they were saying that they did not think that the
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iPad could use an external keyboard or a trackpad or a pointer, a cursor, whatever.
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Now, that is absolutely true. Years ago, I personally, I was opposed to the idea—and
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we're talking 2013, 2014—I was opposed to the idea of split view on the iPad. I
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thought it was not necessary. And years ago, I'm sure that if you asked me in 2016, "Hey,
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do you think the iPad needs a trackpad to be a real computer?" I'm pretty sure that
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I would say no, I disagree with that. I still think that it, if you know me, you know that
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it, I mean I was working on the iPad two years ago, I was working on the iPad six months
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ago before the Magic Keyboard, before iPadOS. I don't think the iPad needs a trackpad or
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a pointer to be a computer. But it is also true that people's opinions change with time
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and products, in this case Apple products, evolve and new features are added and the
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operating system changes, and the landscape around you changes, the ecosystem around you
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changes, and at some point it started making sense for the iPad. Once we had the iPad Pro,
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it made sense to have Split View, and once we had these powerful apps with multi-window
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and drag and drop, it made sense to say, "Well, why not just also have a trackpad, and have
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a pointer and have a keyboard. Because with time I think, yes, maybe Myke and I years
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ago had different opinions, but that's just how people are.
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One of the biggest changes for me was when I started using the iPad, I didn't have the
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type of posture and RSI problems that I do now. So now, for me to be able to use an iPad
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Pro as much as I want to, I need to be able to have things like it be elevated off the
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desk. I need to be able to not be reaching out and touching it all the time, right? Like
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it started with the Apple Pencil for me. I'm sure you could go back far enough and find
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a time when I said that a stylus would be ridiculous on an iPad, right? But when things
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are introduced and they start to make more sense, you can see them. And sometimes we
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can make accurate predictions for our future and sometimes we don't. But the point that
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you're making, which is the ultimately most important one, which is always worth remembering,
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especially when thinking about and evaluating technology, is appreciating that people's
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opinions change over time.
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That's healthy. It's a healthy thing.
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You should. If you do not change your opinions over time, not on everything, but on things,
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you need to think about that. You have to be able to critically assess your own thinking
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change it based on input from external sources. That is a very important thing to be able
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to do. Or to even be able to actually understand other people's point of views. Like, these
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are important traits that you need to be able to develop as a human being. So, yes, I am
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sure there has been a time where I've said, "put a mouse on this thing" and it was ridiculous.
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It was in the essence of like, TJ's brought it up in the chat room, like you go back far
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enough into like cortex and I wasn't using an iPad at all right and thought it was silly.
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I remember that. You know like because I have been in and out of using iPads over time and
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it wasn't until the iPad Pro where I was like that's it right got it and then you'll hear
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times where like Gray right everybody knows Gray like you had a million iPads he just
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stopped using iPads for a while completely. And now uses them again. You know, like people
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change depending on their situations, you know?
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I guess what bothered me in that original comment, and again, the person later replied
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and said, yeah, it was my bad for the way that I wrote that comment, is that they said,
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oh, Federico, I don't like how he's concluding his magic keyboard article saying this is
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the keyboard I've always wanted, and I didn't actually write "I've always wanted" in my
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story. I wrote "I've been waiting for..." But you can never win against people's interpretations
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of what you say as opposed to what you say. Because I know that I didn't always want a
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Magic Keyboard with a trackpad. But also, even if I wrote that, you need to understand
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that we've said right here today on the show, "Oh, this is the keyboard I've always wanted."
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relative always, if that makes sense. Like it's always since the iPad changed, right?
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Not always since, oh, in 1993 I didn't want the Magic Keyboard. Well, of course you didn't
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because it didn't exist, right? I am known to exaggerate, you know, I am a
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hyperbolic person, right? Like I exaggerate a lot. So I will say things like, I've always
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wanted this, where this always has been three years.
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Exactly. That's what I mean. It's always relative to the point where you changed your opinion
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and you changed as a person since you put yourself in the position to always want something.
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From that point on. So that's a clarification for the record. Some day in 2020, maybe in 2026,
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somebody will say, "Oh, in 2020, Federico said he wanted the Magic Keyboard." And yes,
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people change opinions change that's just how the world turns on and on but yes we do like the magic
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keyboard it's it's a very good keyboard very good keyboard ah are we looking forward to mine showing
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up so maybe i can provide some additional thoughts next week all right this episode of connected is
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So we're going to end the show talking about some rumors
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Let's start with the high-end headphone report. This is in Bloomberg from Mark Gurman and Debbie Wu
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Apple according to them is working on high-end headphones with a bunch of features including
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Interchangeable parts which would include ear pads and headbands magnetic attachments for some of these options
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Made from premium fabrics or light breathable sport materials
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So maybe a range of headphones here even and Federico you are the headphone guy, but before we cut you loose
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Am I? Oh god, do I have the reputation now?
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Between the three of us you are.
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Wait, should we do like this Federica number being the value of headphones?
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Oh no, no, please don't do it.
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No, you say you don't want that Federica number, do you?
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Yeah, it's higher than 20.6.
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You are like, of the three of us, you care the most about headphones.
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You're the Marco of the situation.
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I'm like a teeny tiny Marco.
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Mm-hmm, teeny tiny.
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Uh, what, you want my opinion on this?
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I do but I just I want to say like the I've seen some tweets like oh my gosh interchangeable
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parts like that's not a new thing in headphones like even my I use Sony MDR-7506 is to edit
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in and last week I replaced the ear pads like this is a thing but maybe with Apple's flare
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I think the magnetic is what is what excites people
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yeah but it took me three seconds to like replace the leather with nicer pieces that
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weren't disintegrating so sure this would be Apple's flare on top of it I just kind
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I'm gonna like put that to bed a little bit in interchangeable parts on headphones. That's a thing an apple of course
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I'm sure would do it in a more
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Like fantastic way than anybody else, but it is a thing that other companies are doing apples not inventing this
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I just wanted to get that out there. Yes, they're not inventing this and in fact
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When I cheated about it, we I received a bunch of tweets pointing me to this company
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Aye aye aye aye aye! It's called A-I-A-I-A-I-A-I audio. Aye aye aye aye aye audio. They do modular
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headphones. So this is actually quite awesome and I came this close to making an order for
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a custom setup. I was not familiar with this company. They let you put together your own
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headphones. So they send you modular headphones. You can choose the headband, you can choose
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the ear caps, you can choose the material, you can choose the style, you can choose the
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cable, you can make it wired, you can make it wireless. In fact, they have this like
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wild technology that is the wireless headband. So the chip is actually in the headband itself
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and you can actually upgrade your old AI, AI, AI headphones to be wireless headphones
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by just purchasing a new wireless headband.
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So anyway, they're called the TMA-2HD headphones.
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They are modular headphones.
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They have a very nice put-it-together sort of page
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where you go step by step through all the components.
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It's very nicely done.
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But I think-- Stephen, you mentioned the Apple flair of it.
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And this is exactly what I think they will do.
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So based on this rumor, my gut feeling
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is they will do to headphones what they do to the Apple Watch.
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Not in terms of like the fashion angle, but in terms of the personalization of it.
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Oh, they will be fashionable.
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They will be. I also think so.
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But I think like the, at least what I would like to see is that the very,
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the very basics is the idea that you can buy the Apple headphones and you can buy
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these different pieces for it and you can easily swap them and whether they are based
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on magnets or you know some other proprietary system but the idea is that you can do it
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in 20 seconds and they look good and they look you know they're made of premium materials
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and they change the experience for you so I'm thinking I don't know maybe you want to
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go with a very breathable fabric for sports situations. So like you want to workout and
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you want to wear these headphones, you can go with the light and breathable fabric that
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is sweat resistant and whatever. Or you want to sit down and enjoy music, you have these
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different types of ear cups and perhaps they're made of leather or Alcantara, I don't know,
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you know, premium material that lets you enjoy music and has a better sound isolation and
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has, you know, lets you enjoy, you know, the bass response or whatever in a different way
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than the workout mode. The idea of like a modular headphones made by Apple is really
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intriguing for me because I know that they can make it look nice, they can make it easy
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for you, they can make it expensive for you, I'm sure. These will not be cheap headphones.
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But it's also the idea of what app... like I can imagine a system where it's not just
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that you swap the pieces, like you attach these different components, but also the software
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recognizes the things that you're attaching and detaching from the headphones.
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So like it'd be cool if the iPhone, for example, when you put on the workout cups, for example,
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did something to you with Siri to say, "Oh, it looks like you're about to work out."
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like, I don't know, gives you a playlist or whatever, because it recognizes that you're
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wearing the iPhones, yes, but also the workout mode for those headphones. You know, the little
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things like that, those kinds of integrations. I can imagine Apple doing with these headphones.
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So like they recognize the pieces and then adjust? I mean, you got to assume that it
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will, right? Because, you know, and they have their custom, what's it called now, the H1
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cheap in the in the iPhones. So they can do all sorts of things there like sports,
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office mode, you know, listening to music mode, whatever.
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So, yeah, it's this is exciting to me because it's the Apple spin on an existing
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idea. But hey, this is an Apple podcast.
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We like what Apple does most of the time, usually.
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So that's why we're excited.
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I think about it. You could build like a whole little collection of parts and just
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do what you need to do at any given time.
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that is exciting to me. Oh you would like to build a collection wouldn't you? I
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would yeah. Head pod parts per capita. Literally per capita. Yeah. You know what
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capita means right? It's latent. It's a head. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I'll just pass them.
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Well yes. I don't think we actually count in heads. Oh what's a figure of speech
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called when you like... It's a speech. No but there's a figure of speech for when
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you use like a part to indicate the whole. So like when you say "capita" in this case
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is like the head but it means a person. And that's a, in grammar and in literature that's
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a feature of speech like a, I would find it. This is how my brain works, I'm sorry, go
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The design of these that is described in this report is very interesting. That it's like
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a kind of old school design of like these ear cups will have metal bars coming out of
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the top of them and then it goes onto the headband. I just think as a really interesting
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design language it feels kind of like 70s maybe, right? Like in its kind of like just
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typical design of headphone. I think that that will look really classic. I think that
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will be really nice. I'm super intrigued to see if they try and make this fashionable
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because my imagination of this product was it would be like it would look like AirPods
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in its design language, right? That it would be plastic or white.
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The figure of speech is called the Synactoke. Oh, like the movie.
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Sure. Yes. It's a part of something that refers to the whole of something or vice versa, which
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is different. My teacher in high school always got me for this. It's different from the metonymy,
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which is a substitution of cause for effect. So anyway.
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All right, then. Yeah. Glad we got that squared away.
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Me too. Yes. Yes. Thank you. There's a couple of,
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know, uh, synect the key people in the chat, so thank you. I see you.
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Synecty heads. I appreciate you is what I'm saying.
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Well really, if we only have one, then the whole chat room is that way.
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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Think about it.
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So anyway, Myke was saying the design language of the AirPods, and I agree with that. I think
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it, I think those will be, honestly, they will call it the AirPods Pro. No, well, not
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AirPods Pro they cannot call it that right because we do have AirPods Pro now. AirPods
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Studio? AirPods Studio is what I'm going with.
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Yeah. I wondered if they would want to walk on the Beats branding.
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It's possible right? I don't think they would I don't know but then again there's only so
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many words right? Yeah. I don't think Max I've had people because we brought this up
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a little bit on upgrade too and people have been tweeting at me and saying like AirPods
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Max. I don't think that... that doesn't sound right to me.
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Although you can go back and listen and we said "Oh, iPhone 11 Pro Max doesn't quite
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sound right, it doesn't really roll off the tongue."
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And I still stand by that opinion. It's not a good name.
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Look at how things went though.
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Maybe they will just be AirPods Pro Max. Maybe it's that.
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You know it's gonna happen. AirPods Pro Max. So, I am very excited and now that we just
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talked about it again, I am once again on the IIII website looking at the TMA2 builder
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This is like when I bought the Bridge Pro Plus. This is what you're doing to yourself,
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right? You're buying a thing that Apple's gonna make.
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No no no, I will not buy it. I gotta be responsible. There's a pandemic going on. Gotta save money.
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I did cancel my bridge order by the way.
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Yeah, you did the right thing.
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I did do it. At this point it would have never been used. Even if they may,
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even if there was no problem with their product, like I wasn't gonna use it
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past the Magic Keyboard coming out.
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I feel bad for them. Yeah.
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I figured they'll be okay. Like Bridge-
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Bridge have had problematic products in the past.
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Do you remember when their original one wasn't working very well?
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They just didn't work.
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Yeah, and they got through it, they made a better product.
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They can recall that.
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I have complete faith that they will be able to produce a second iteration of the pro,
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or whatever they're calling it, what do they call it? Pro+?
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Where the tracking pad will be more effective, provided that Apple actually
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allow for external tracking pads.
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I hope so. Apple needs the competition, competition is good.
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-Yazoop is cheaper and a different form factor and I think some people will prefer straight
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up make this a laptop, right? I think some people will really like that still more than
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the Magic Keyboard which is like, it's kind of like a laptop but different, you know?
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-Aye aye aye aye.
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-Aye aye aye.
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-Aye aye aye. I think is the site, right? Yes. But I will not buy them. I will not buy
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them because I'm a responsible boy and I will not fight them. Good boy. Yes.
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If you want to find links to the stuff we spoke about today, head on over to the website,
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