297: Ceiling Fan Research
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Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 297.
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It's made possible this week by our sponsors, Smile, Hello, and Zojo.
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My name is Stephen Hackett and I am joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.
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Hi, Stephen Hackett.
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And there's no Federico this week.
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No, he's on vacation.
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They can have those in Italy, so he's having one.
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And we hope that he is enjoying it.
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I thought, you know, I was like, how would I do a vacation?
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I think mine would just be like, let's go hang out in the garage.
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Yeah, I mean, this is the thing.
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So like me and Adina were talking about it today.
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And she's like, oh, once everything's over in June, right?
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WWC's all done, you should do it.
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And I'm kind of just like, but I wouldn't, like I would just be at home.
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I wouldn't be able to stop doing most of the things that I'm doing anyway.
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So it's kind of—there isn't really that much of a benefit to me.
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But there you go.
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So it is obviously a traumatic time in the world, and we did want to take a moment before
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we get in to the show to address this.
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Myke and I, Relay FM, we support the protests happening in the U.S. and elsewhere.
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There is no world in which the evil of racism should be tolerated.
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not change is long overdue in this country and others. There's no differing opinions
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here when it comes to racism and police brutality. There's only really one side to this argument,
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right? It's an evil.
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With most all our political things, right? You can say, well, I don't believe this, but
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I know other people do and people are entitled to their own opinion. But this isn't one of
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those situations, right? Like, there is no other opinion when it comes to racism. You
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either think that is a terrible thing that shouldn't exist or that's it. Like, there
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is no counter-argument to this point, right?
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Agreed. And look, you may be upset that we're talking about this, and we would urge you
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to try to understand why that's upsetting to you, because it's something that we all
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need to address and to work together to make better. It takes all of us. So we have a resource
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in the show notes. Myke, do you want to talk about this real quick?
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Yeah, I've seen this. There's a lot of resources, right, that we've all seen
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going around. But I've seen this one website going around called
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blacklivematters.com. And what I like about this resource is it's lots of
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resources collected into one. So whether you want to donate, whether you want to
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sign petitions, whether you want to get resources to educate yourself or, you
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whatever it is you're looking for, including resources for other countries now that are
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getting involved in these protests in more significant ways.
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This one I found to be very useful for me.
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Like initially I was struggling to find somewhere I could donate because a lot of donation funds
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don't allow non-US participants to donate to them.
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But through this website I was able to not only find a place but also find like a workaround
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to be able to actually make a donation to a cause that I believed in.
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So this is a good place to start if you don't know where to start.
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So I would recommend checking this one out and it'll be in our show notes.
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Depending on where you are, there may also be local organizations working.
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That's one way my wife and I have gotten involved is with some local folks.
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So anyways, we wanted to address that, we did not want this to go by without doing that.
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With coronavirus, we're all in it.
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We're all experienced in it, right?
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And there is no second viewpoint on it, right?
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No one's arguing it.
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No one's arguing, well, I was going to say no one's arguing it that it exists, but I
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think there are people now.
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So you can kind of ignore that.
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Coronavirus is happening and it's horrible and we need our world leaders to make the
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right decisions and Black Lives Matter is a real thing and it does matter and I hope
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that everyone pays more and more attention to this now and like educate yourself, surround
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yourself by people. I've been paying more attention to following more black people online.
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I realised that I was not following enough black people so I am looking to fix that.
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One of the great things is I follow a lot of people that retweet people with lists.
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It's like, great, I found a bunch of new people
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that added to my feed so I can try and understand more.
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We all are, but I'm working on some things as well
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for myself right now that I want to do
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to try and be able to contribute more.
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So I'll be talking about stuff as we all will
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over the weeks to come.
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- Well, should we do some follow up?
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- Oh, please.
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- We spoke last time about Federico leaving Apple Arcade.
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Now he has left the show just for a week.
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He saw that I'm gonna talk about the Mac later,
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and he said he wasn't coming, so.
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- Take that as you would you will.
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So anyways, we were curious what would happen
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if your Apple Arcade subscription lapses,
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and you still have those applications on your device.
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So Joe sent us what happens on the phone.
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The apps are still on your home screen,
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and you tap them, and basically you get a pop-up
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that says, "Hey, this is Apple Arcade.
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"You can play a bunch of games.
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"Here's how you sign up."
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So pretty, I think pretty well done.
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Doesn't kick you to the App Store or anything.
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Nor does it delete them.
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Like, I actually think this is the kind of the best case scenario.
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So like, the apps icon stay on your phone in case you didn't know,
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like maybe your credit card expired or something.
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Or like you cancelled it by accident, you weren't sure what you were paying for.
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So I actually kind of like, I like that this is the response where it just pops up and it's like,
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look, if you want to play this, you can pay.
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And I would assume it saves your progress as well, would be my assumption.
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I would hope so.
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That would be great.
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And then Logan sent in what happens on the Mac, which is far less pretty.
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So basically, you open the app and it instead launches the Mac App Store and then basically
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that same view comes in the App Store saying, "Hey, you're not signed up.
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Here's how you do it."
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That's interesting, right?
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weird hole being poked in there.
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Clearly it can't work without the App Store, but on the iPhone the App Store is clearly
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more integrated.
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That's funny.
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That's really funny.
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Which is fine by me.
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I don't want it more integrated on the Mac than it is.
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So yeah, it seems like it sort of degrades pretty gracefully if you give up your subscription.
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I have some bad news.
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Good, that's what I want.
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I've misplaced my Apple Pencil.
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Like, in a way that I think it's gone.
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I don't know quite what happened.
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I did this video of like, what's in my bag, and so I'd taken everything basically all
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apart and I think it disappeared about that time, but I'm kind of like, I mean, I'm bummed
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because it was expensive, right?
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And that I don't know where it is, but I haven't really missed it in terms of use.
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But it's gotta be somewhere in your home or studio.
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anywhere else but I don't know. Is it hidden in your back somewhere? I don't know maybe
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it's in like a deep pocket that I haven't found yet. Anyways, but it did make me think
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about my sort of Apple pencil usage and I realized that basically it's zero. Like I
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will use it to navigate things sometimes but with the Magic Keyboard the trackpad has just
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taken over for all that and I'm not an artist in the sense that I draw or you know sketch
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or anything on the iPad. I don't like handwriting on the iPad. Give yourself some credit, you
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know? You could be an artist if you want to be. I did spend two years in art school and
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then I changed my major so I feel like I know more than most that it's not for me. What
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were you doing in art school? I knew you then, right? No, this would have been in 2004, 2005,
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2006 before we met. Journalism school is what I remember you doing. Yes, I was in art school
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and then I took a drawing class and it was terrible.
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I was studying graphic design,
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but I had to take traditional art classes
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and I was really bad at them.
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So I changed my major two years in,
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which is now what you should do.
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If you're getting ready to go to college,
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or you're thinking about going to college,
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maybe just don't declare your major until you're super sure
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because you basically restart the clock
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on a bunch of classes you need.
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Anyways, it wasn't for me.
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But I did wanna talk a little bit about the Apple Pencil
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and the Magic Keyboard because I kind of hate them together.
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Like when you close it, it's like you have your iPad and you have like two tubes down the side one is the USB-C
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pass-through and you have the Apple pencil on the other side and like flops out, you know
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Just you can lose it. Apparently you can lose it really easily. I just I really was hoping the Magic Keyboard would integrate some sort of
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Apple pencil storage solution.
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patent, you know, everyone loves patents, right?
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Patents. What is it? How do you call them patents? Patents. Patents. I say it with a D because I'm
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Yeah, I saw a patent filing for the Magic Keyboard, I'll put it in the show notes,
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that shows an Apple Pencil storage solution in the little tube thing.
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Yeah, it's just right there, put them together.
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My thinking on that is they went ahead and made the best storage solution for
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the Apple Pencil, which is just to attach it to the iPad itself. I feel like
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this feels like a regression to me to then store it inside of the Magic Keyboard.
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It'd be nice to have the option so like if if it's in a bag you don't knock it
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off and misplace it. Like yeah it's great on the top because you can take it on
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off and it charges and everything but it'd be nice if there was like a
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discreet way to have some sort of secondary place so it's like more tucked
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away more safely. That's all.
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I feel like if it's in a bag the place you
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you've misplaced it is in the bag. It's just in the bag. True. Maybe. Right?
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It doesn't... Beats me. I don't know where my Apple Pencil is.
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I definitely use my Apple Pencil less since the trackpad support.
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Interesting. I was going to ask you. Yeah, because, you know, I always have my
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iPad pretty much always in the keyboard, right? So if I'm not using it with the
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external trackpad, like on my stand, if I'm using my iPad on the couch, I
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I typically would have used an Apple Pencil to do some navigation stuff but now I use
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the trackpad a lot.
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I still use the Apple Pencil for signing stuff and for some, when I'm marking up documents,
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like the traditional uses of it.
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But I don't do any drawing of any kind so I don't use it for that.
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So I have basically, I still use the Apple Pencil but it has been relegated from its
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role as a pointing device for my iPad.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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I think for a lot of people the trackpad is way better for a lot of things.
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I wanted to follow up on the iPad mini with you.
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Oh yeah, did you get one?
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We spoke about it last time that Federico got one and everyone was super excited about
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And you mentioned in iMessage a couple of days ago that you were loving your iPad mini
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more and more and I was just wondering why like what what is it about this
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device that's making you so excited at the moment yeah I think what I said was
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oh no my 11 inch iPad Pro feels enormous yeah okay that's that's probably that is
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definitely a better because I was using my 11 inch out of the keyboard the other
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night mm-hmm because I'm trying to buy a ceiling fan anyways that's a whole
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complicated situation that I'm in wait I don't understand how those two things go
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to cuz I was looking for ceiling I was doing ceiling fan research on my you're
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just like I was using my iPad outside of the keyboard case because I was looking for a
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ceiling fan.
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How everybody does it, yeah.
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Everyone, everyone, hashtag relatable.
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That's right.
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Well I was laying on the couch with just the iPad because I need a ceiling fan and it was
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too hot to get a laptop so you know I was draped across the couch looking for a ceiling
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fan on my 11 inch I was like oh this iPad is enormous.
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I was like oh no I have normalized the size of the iPad mini.
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I don't know I'm enjoying it for reading like Federico said and I've got a Kindle but I'm
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actually I just started this new book and am reading it on the in the Kindle app on the iPad
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just to see if I like that experience. But for kind of like around the house stuff. It's better
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than my phone in a lot of ways because like if I'm just around the house, it doesn't like it doesn't
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have to fit in my pocket necessarily. And spoiler alert, I've just been around my house for a while
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now. And there's something about the size is nice. You know, if you want to read in bed or like catch
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up on Instapaper. It's just it's a really nice size and as someone who does not use their iPad
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for much work it's uh it's kind of nice as like that you know kind of social media web type thing
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and uh I've just been I've been kind of smitten with it. I've been thinking that I should probably
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break out my 11 and use that more at home um but it's kind of for me at the moment it's just
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that's just been sitting in my travel bag, wamp wamp, as it always usually does,
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and I've been either using my large iPad most of the time at my desk, and then just my iPhone
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when I'm not at my desk, but maybe I could use the smaller iPad around the house a little bit too.
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Yeah, or you could get a mini.
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It's just sitting there completely unused.
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However, I am considering maybe to not touch it because probably in like two weeks it's
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it's going to become the sacrificial iPad. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it'll be beta season.
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And I've been thinking about that with my with my MacBook Pro, what I'm going to do
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for a reason that is not important for now, there's going to be a time this fall where
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I'll be working on just my laptop for probably quite a while. And that precludes me from
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putting the beta on the laptop, probably because I'm gonna need to do like production work
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from somewhere else for a while. So anyways, I have I'm really questioning how I'm gonna
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do my setup this year for Mac OS beta.
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- Wait, what are you gonna need your laptop for?
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- I'm gonna, fine.
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So I am going to have to have foot surgery
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at some point in the fall.
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- I won't be able to come out to my office
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'cause I'm gonna like not be able to walk for a bit.
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So that'll be fun.
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So my plan is to like set up a little desk
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somewhere inside the house where I could record and edit.
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You know, once I'm recovered enough to work
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but not come out here.
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- 'Cause I'm not supposed to put any weight on it and stuff.
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So those episodes are gonna be fun because like you're gonna have like big bad energy
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It's like just gonna be like super chill or we could do a return of you on pain medication
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That's happened a few times in our recording career where you've been kind of like a little has it happened after had elbow surgery?
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And I was super stoned. Yeah, it was amazing
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So I would like I would like both of those things as long as you edit the episode
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I would totally tell very happy with it. That'd be great
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So anyway, so my laptop will be my only Mac for a while
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Maybe like six weeks or something
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So I won't be able to come out here and it's gonna that's gonna hamper how I deal with the Mac OS beta this year
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I think so. Mmm. Yeah, probably we'll see but that's not till the fall. So I got some time to worry about it
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I'll be fine. So anyways get an iPad mini become a
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Three iPad guy. No, I don't want one. Try pad lifestyle do it. It's it's very good name
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I will grant you it's almost worth it for that name
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But I'm already only using one of my two iPads. I don't need a third one
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Right, like I think I'll probably good. Let me take a break
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All right, Myke, I saw a screenshot of something on your Mac and I have questions.
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So your username or your short username, your home folder name on your iMac Pro is relay
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Wait a second.
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Is it okay to tell people that? I feel like that's not okay.
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Yeah. You think I don't know your password?
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Well, I don't know. Like, I always see people, like, blocking out that kind of stuff.
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Nah, it's just me and you today.
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Seriously, like, I honestly don't know.
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Am I gonna get, like, hacked now or something?
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My home folder's name is Steven with a capital S.
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I'm not worried about it.
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This started a conversation in my mind about why is that true.
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- Why not just use your name?
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- Oh, when you said a conversation in your mind,
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I thought you were about to give me like the both,
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like the actual conversation that unfolded in your brain.
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- Well then you would know how I think you sound in my head
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and that's embarrassing, so.
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- Okay, well--
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- You're very jolly in my mind though.
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It's a lot of like sync song talking.
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- Previous, my previous computer to this one was a Mac Pro
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that technically Relay FM bought for me.
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- Yes, yes we did.
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And so I just named that account relay FM because it was relay FM's Mac and it wasn't I didn't really
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properly use it as my own Mac and
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Then eventually I sold it we took care of that but I
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Bought an iMac Pro instead and just did oh no, I bought an iMac
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I should say I bought an iMac read the retina iMac and I just did migration assistant
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So now that machine was called relay FM and then I did migration assistant again.
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So now this machine's called relay FM.
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So they're all just called that.
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So it is possible to change this up.
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There's a support link in the show notes and it is terrifying.
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I mean, I did actually I never asked for this.
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Like I didn't want to.
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Oh, I've done this.
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Well, I've done this.
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I did this when I did migration assistant.
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Do you remember this?
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Migration Assistant to my iMac Pro failed like two or three times.
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Oh yeah, I do remember that.
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And I had to rename everything and I followed a very specific set of instructions and I think
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it was this that I followed because it was my account was called like relay FM 2 or something
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and that was just completely unacceptable because I remember I had like really bad issues with
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Migration Assistant which is just like one of those things that should never go wrong.
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but it was going wrong for me quite badly.
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See, I had to do this, it was horrifying.
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- It is horrifying.
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I once did this, I changed the user home folder, short name,
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it's all kind of the same thing,
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on a laptop in like 2002, 2003, running Mac OS 10.2,
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which early versions of OS 10
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really didn't let you do this.
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There were like some kind of, I mean,
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as hacky as it is now,
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some really hacky ways to do it in the past,
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But I didn't know any of those.
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And so I was like, oh, let me just change
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the name of this folder.
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And then I logged out and then didn't
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have a user folder anymore.
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Wait, so you just-- you didn't bother to look at anything.
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You were just like, I don't want this folder
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to be called that anymore.
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I'll just change it.
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Yeah, I didn't know very much.
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I'd only been using the Mac for a year, so I thought, hey,
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I'll just do this.
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And it was real bad.
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I lost some files.
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It was a work laptop.
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I was on a deadline for that job, of course.
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- And lost some files that were not on an external drive.
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Remember this is before Time Machine, right?
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Time Machine wasn't until 10.5.
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And so I always tell people now, if I get asked this,
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even though there's a way, I'm like, no, don't do it.
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It's just, in my mind, it's such a stigma attached to it.
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It's like, it will destroy your life.
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- Sounds like fun.
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You learn the hard way, you know?
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I don't think I've ever done anything this catastrophic in my modern Mac life,
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but I had a Mac laptop of some description that was running a version of pre-OS 10 Mac OS.
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I don't know which one it was, right?
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This was when I was a kid.
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It was like my uncle's laptop.
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It was, you know, one of the Mac laptops that had a track wall in it, right?
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like that's kind of what we're talking about. What could that have been do you think roughly?
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It's like a black one, had a trackball on it. Yeah, some really ancient power book.
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Yeah, so and he gave me that to kind of just like tinker around with or whatever and all I remember
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is I did something to it that made the like sad Mac face, you know? And also the floppy disk with
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the question mark. Yeah. So I don't know what I could have done to it but it wasn't good.
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That's no good. Rest in peace. We've all made mistakes is what we're saying. Can't do it now
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on the iPad really. It's all locked away. But the Mac still has its rough edges.
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There was a story a few weeks ago about Apple News Plus potentially getting audio versions
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of stories. Apple was going to pay for the production of them and publishers just had
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had to opt in and it could end up being good for publishers who opt in because it means
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people will be more likely to spend more time with their content, right? Which is how Apple
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News+ publishers are paid on that very generous 50/50 split that Apple make with them.
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And there was a post on MacRumors where some iconography has been found that seems to suggest
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that this is in the 13.5 beta. So it's Apple News+ audio and then there's also a secondary
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icon with a headphone logo and audio, suggesting that they're doing something to get ready
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to introduce this initiative.
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I think this is funny in the sense of it's in 13.5.
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Maybe that's going to happen sooner than expected.
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I wasn't expecting this to be a thing that occurred before iOS 14, but maybe this is
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a case of, "Well, Apple News+ really isn't doing what we want, so we're adding this feature."
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For me personally, I still don't imagine myself becoming a NewsPlus subscriber, but this is
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the type of feature where I would maybe give it a bit more consideration than I had previously.
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If all of my favorite news companies were in this thing, I may be more inclined to pay
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for it if I could get audio versions of the articles that I want to read.
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You know me, right?
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I don't really enjoy reading.
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So there are times where there are these really long articles that I would like to read and
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I can only get a quarter of the way through and I just bail out.
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But if it was audio focused then I could just listen to it and I'd be happy, I'd be on my
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Especially because what I like about what it seems Apple is doing is that they are going
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to have human beings read the audio.
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There is scores of thought for either using virtual voices or humans for this stuff.
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I personally lean towards human for obvious reasons.
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I just prefer the sound.
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And so they're going to be doing that, and Apple, that's what they want to do, but it
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seems like it's going to be in 13.5 maybe.
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One, what do you think about this just as an overall initiative?
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And two, about it coming seemingly sooner rather than later?
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Yeah, I think it's a good addition to News Plus.
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it hasn't landed with a lot of people.
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And I think there are a lot of people like you,
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and also like me, who would prefer to listen to news.
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I mean, one of the things I do on the HomePod a lot is,
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"Hey, tell me the news," right?
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And I think a lot of people like that sort of
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way of consuming those things.
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And if they can do it in a way that is high quality
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and easy to use, like maybe you're on an article
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and the ones that have audio,
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there's just a button you can tap and it reads to you. I think that's fantastic. As far as
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the timing, you know, I could see this being an iOS 14 thing. But at the same time, that's
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not till September or October. And my guess is that they want to try to move the needle
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and news plus as much as they can. So whenever this is ready, I think they would do it.
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And like it doesn't need iOS 14. In theory, like you don't have to wait, it's not going
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to be like, "Oh, can't wait for iOS 14."
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Right, like it's not going to be that kind of feature, I don't feel like.
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I mean these rumors say that it's just news plus.
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I don't think this would be something that Apple News itself would get.
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Like this is a premium feature, but maybe eventually it could end up as part of Apple
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News proper, at least for some stuff.
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I don't know.
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There's a cost associated.
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I can only imagine they would do that if they wanted to try and sell you on upgrading to
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News Plus. Like, oh, you like this feature, huh? Maybe you want to give us some money
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and get all your news this way.
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Maybe you get like three audio stories a month or something and after that, hey, you really
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ought to pay up.
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Cool. Yeah, I like it.
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I would like more stuff like this. Like I listen to Chatecary, the Chatecary Daily Update.
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I listen to it every single day and like that very much. Like to the point where I wished
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more people that did email newsletters offered podcast options. I've even thought about asking
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some people but don't. And I don't mean like something like the Max Stories newsletter
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called Max Stories doesn't make sense for me in that way because it's more like chunked
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up. I'm talking like the...
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Like HotPod could do it.
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Yeah, HotPog could do it. I would like Casey Newton to do it. I think Casey's is called
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Interface, I think is the name of his email newsletter. Like more, I would like stuff
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like that where it's frequent almost daily and they are long articles. Like it's just
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one article basically. I would like that a lot. But it's a lot of work and especially,
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I mean, especially in Casey Newton's thing, I don't...
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It's not a pay for newsletter, although I would personally pay to get that feature.
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But I would like it because these types of podcasts are so good,
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like, that it's just a 10 minute thing.
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Like, you can just fit that in anywhere, right?
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Like washing dishes, listen to an episode of Chatechary, like great.
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And I listen every day and I feel like I am more informed because of it.
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So I like being informed.
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Like, I like to have been informed, but I don't...
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I just don't have the... I don't even know what the right word would be to actually read these things.
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I especially don't like it as email, right? Like I don't like extra email because I get lots of email.
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So I have to like move all these things around to different folders or whatever and then I never read them.
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So I would like this stuff to be popping up more in my podcast app of choice.
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Maybe you could print your email newsletters and then read them out loud to yourself.
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Think about that.
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I mean, that's not helpful.
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Please consider the environment before reading this newsletter.
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That's what they all say at the bottom.
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You have another story in here about Apple Music and Podcasts and Zane Lowe.
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What's going on here?
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I just wanted to make sure that you were aware that I think your pick about original podcasts
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has come to fruition.
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I don't want to call it done yet from this one, but I think we can put this in for consideration
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of the argument later on in the year.
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So the Beats 1 show that Zane Lowe does, which is interviews with musicians, has been put
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into Apple podcasts now. So the interviews also exist as a podcast. I believe they also
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stood existing on Apple News beat no on Beats 1, Apple Beats 1, Apple Music Beats 1. So
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the pick being that you suggested I think was original content.
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So the pick as written says Apple launches its own podcast content beyond Oprah.
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Yeah, I mean this would probably be it, right? I feel like this will probably get you what
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you were looking for, for a point. So you finally got on a scoreboard, congratulations.
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That's not my Ricky pic.
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Yeah, your Ricky pic's not happening. Your Ricky pic's not happening. The Ricky, by the
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way, is the Apple launch, a podcast app on Android. It's just not happening, in my opinion.
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But good luck to you, my friend. I'm just going to clean up.
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This is your year to lose.
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Yeah, it really is at this point. All right. Yeah, I mean, I think it's cool
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I think having
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Content that is behind the Apple music paywall having that come out a little bit is neat and content like this is the perfect
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Like the perfect thing to do right like these interviews
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Standalone as podcast episodes. I think it makes a ton of sense to move that content to that format
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I mean in other beats one shows probably wouldn't move as easily because they feature a lot of music and that's not gonna work
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work. We can't really put that in a podcast because it's music. There's a
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bunch of rights around that but the interview stuff makes a lot of sense to
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do it. I think it's clever. Mm-hmm. All right, ready for our second break? Yeah.
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So the way it goes is this, that the iPhone 12 will have a lightning port as we would
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expect but maybe not want, I would prefer USB-C, but that the iPhone 13 will have no
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port it will have no lightning port on the iPhone no USB C port on the iPhone it will
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feature Qi for charging and a smart connector for data so if you needed to plug it into
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your computer or whatever.
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I have a lot of questions about this I think my first one is kind of like why like why
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Why would you want a portless iPhone?
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I can't really work it out.
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It feels, I guess, like a design thing.
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You would do it for design reasons.
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Like "Oh look how beautiful this design is."
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But that feels honestly kind of stupid to me.
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That feels like honestly the worst of Apple design.
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So again, this is presuming this is true, right?
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So just for the sake of this conversation,
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let's presume this is true, right?
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- And that this will happen.
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It's just easier that way.
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Like it feels like if they were to do this,
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that it's everything that people hate about Apple design.
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Like, because again, I will still state this
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as I have for many years,
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the removal of the headphone jack,
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there was never any good reason for it, right?
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They removed it from the iPhone 7?
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- Because they needed to get rid of it
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the year before the iPhone 10 came out.
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Because they didn't want the iPhone 10 to have it
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or the iPhone 10 couldn't have it
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because of what they were building, right?
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With their curved screen.
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So they removed it from the 7
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so that that wouldn't be the story of the iPhone 10.
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No one will ever convince me otherwise.
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Like that I 100% believe that that is the case.
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And I've never seen an argument that was convincing to me.
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Like, because people were like, "Oh, they put this chamber in it."
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But like, the chamber was empty. Like, there's nothing behind it.
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It wasn't actually connected to anything like speaker wise.
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It wasn't, it isn't a waterproofing thing because waterproofing exists on
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phones today that are like, like the IP68 rating exists on phones today that have
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a headphone jack. So I believe that they either wanted to or needed to do it for
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the 10s, so they did it from the 7s.
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so they sacrificed to set the bad press because you don't want the bad press on the iPhone
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So removing a charging port, it feels even worse to me because Bluetooth is better. I
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don't think Qi is better. I just don't see... I know people prefer it. And we'll get to
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some of the problems that you can have when you start extrapolating this out to your life,
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But I just don't think that an overall experience of Qi charging is better.
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I really cannot, and I've been thinking about this for like two weeks, I've wanted to talk
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about this story.
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I can't find a positive reason that you would do this.
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I agree with you.
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I think, A, I think you're totally right about the iPhone 7.
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But I think you're right about this too.
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And it is just one of those things that, you're right.
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is everything that people like to beat up on Apple for. Right? This would be the epitome
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of that, and on their most popular product, right? When it's on something other than the
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iPhone, people may be a little more forgiving, but the iPhone's the most important thing
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that the company makes. And to change it in any dramatic way is always a gamble. Think
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about when they went from 30 pin to lightning, people were furious for years. And I think
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why we haven't seen USB-C yet because they don't want to go through a port
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transition again but this seems like going well beyond a port transition
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taking it off completely I don't I don't see it being a good idea.
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The lightning transition right was frustrating you could see logic to it the
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lightning port had more functionality way smaller it was bi-directional or
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omnidirectional however you say it you didn't have to do the pin thing remember
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like we had to like I don't I think they ended up changing that but initially
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like the the the 30 pin connector had those little attached release tabs the
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release things on the side I think they ended up getting rid of that for the
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iPhone right? I think so. Eventually I think you could just pop it in and out of there but it
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wasn't omnidirectional right the 30 pin it only went in one way? It was not it was not
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reversible so it had it up and it down just like USB A did. The lightning is
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better in every way for that, right? It's smaller so you can do more things from a design perspective.
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If they even had a smart connector on this device, that's still arguing the fact that you can't
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go completely like connectorless, right? But that smart connector would be not for charging,
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it would seem. Or maybe it would charge slowly, I don't know. But the rumor suggests that it will
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only be for data. So if you had diagnostic issues or if you wanted to
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sync over a cable or whatever you could use a smart connector for that. So like
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yeah it just doesn't feel like that there is a benefit that I can see. Like
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it's you know if this was the introduction of wireless charging maybe
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you could sell people on it but it's not even that right? Like Qi charging has
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existed and it continues to exist. I think I think this being the beginning
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of wireless charging would actually be harder because at least now people have
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these things. Good point. And they're in a lot of cars too, a lot of new cars have wireless
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charging pads. I see it in some restaurants and stuff too, like I had seen it in like
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coffee shops, stuff like that, or airports, like places where you would want to charge,
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I was starting to see more Qi charging, because like Qi is good as a universal standard because
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all phones of all manufacturers have it, right? Now arguably USB-C is going this way too though,
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which is basically really it's the iPhone is the holdout of new devices.
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But at least we can all agree on Qi.
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That's quite funny, I'm pretty proud of that.
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But everyone is like, both iPhone and Android, amongst all manufacturers, everyone's using
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Qi charging.
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So it's like universal standard, so it can be used and it can be available in places.
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I always think about, because it will happen again one day, traveling, right?
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Like I remember this when the headphone jack was taken away, it became more frustrating
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if you used wired headphones because you couldn't charge and listen to music at the same time.
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How would you charge your phone on a bus or on a plane?
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How would you do that?
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Yeah, or in a backpack in between, right?
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Like running through the airport,
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you can plug your phone into your battery bank
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in your pocket.
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How would any of that work in a Qi charging world?
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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I honestly don't.
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Like, are they gonna sell something that has a battery
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and has a internal wireless coil,
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and then you can, like, I don't know.
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It is way less flexible than plugging in with a cable.
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- Like, as Justin is saying in the Real
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Like as Justin is saying in the Real
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Fm Discord, you could have a battery
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case with an internal Qi charger and that's fine but then I also have to buy an external battery case.
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Many planes, many coaches, many
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trains have USB ports on them or power
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ports and all I need is a cable and I
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can plug my phone in, right? And that
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means I don't have to spend an extra
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$100 on a battery case if I don't want to, right? So like it really limits things a lot, right? Or
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like even if it was fine when I was traveling somewhere, I would then be taking a Qi charger
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in my backpack for when I got to a hotel. Like I assume not many people do that. Like people,
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you know, they may Qi charge at home but they travel, when they're on the road they will use
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a cable because Qi chargers are big right when you traveled as a Qi charging person
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you would you wouldn't take a Qi charger would you?
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No for a bunch of reasons one it's way bulkier than a cable and two it doesn't fast charge
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and on trips yeah especially trips like rest in peace WWDC where you're out until the middle
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of the night or something like you may be home like in your hotel or Airbnb or whatever
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for like an hour, I want to fast charge during that hour to get as much power back into my
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phone as possible. And she charging just isn't very fast.
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And so like, I just can't work out where like, I can't again, it's like more for me in the
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cons column. Like, and look, I am sure there are people who do take charges with them on
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trips and find some way to charge on a plane by like having a little disk and putting their
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phone on it but that just seems kind of ridiculous to me I'm sorry like more power to you if
00:43:28
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that is your way of doing things but like that just that that doesn't work for me that
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seems wild the only thing that could like I don't know you know what also I feel like
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a flight attendant would be like what are you doing right like I feel like that people
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wouldn't like that to see you do that. Unless there is some kind of massive battery breakthrough
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in which your phone could operate for two to three days without a charge, right? If
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they were to somehow couple those things together, I could maybe get this a bit more, right?
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That the idea of charging changes, that like Qi, they've worked out a fast charging spec,
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which other companies are doing, right? Like OnePlus have one that they've expanded the
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the Qi spec to also allow them to do fast charging with a compatible charger. So maybe
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that's one part and two, your battery lasts for three days or whatever, then I could see
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it. But that kind of technology doesn't seem like it's in the near future. We've all heard
00:44:35
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about this new battery tech forever. What is it called? Carbon or something? You know
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what I'm talking about. There's this whole new battery technology that's going to change
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But I feel like I've been hearing about it for 10 years. Graphene. Is that it? Graphene batteries?
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Like I think this is thing I've been hearing about forever that like if it actually works
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It's gonna be wild and it's gonna change everything
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But I feel like I've been hearing about it for probably like 10 years
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but if that kind of thing comes to pass then great, but like it doesn't seem like that there's any
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Anything to suggest that that's happening in the near future
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The future is always just a couple years away though. So, you know, they'll be here soon. That's true
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I guess throw out this whole argument Stevens torpedoed it. It's always it's always right on the corner
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the thing about the smart connector - it makes me think about the
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Surface connector on Microsoft Surface products that charges and you can hook up to a dock
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Right, and they took grief from users for a really long time not having USB C on their
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Devices like well, why can't just charge every USB C or do this? Why do I have to have this?
00:45:49
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Weird proprietary thing right and they've relented on some of that. They've got USB C on some of their stuff now
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But people complained that it was like a thing that only worked for this one device and if you think about lightning
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kind of true now, but lightning is
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like I've had just so ubiquitous lightning is basically everywhere and
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Apple uses lightning for air pods and almost all the iPads and a bunch of other stuff, too
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And so in a way even though lightning is proprietary to Apple
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It doesn't feel as proprietary as something like the surface connector
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Which is like a thing that service people have to deal with and other people don't
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Right, but Surface users have options now because you can also charge by USB-C now if
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you use the Surface.
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For a lot of them.
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Yeah, but that's a very recent change.
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And so in that way, Lightning feels like a standard that it's really not, but moving
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to something that is even more proprietary, that if they use the smart connector, they've
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got to move over a bunch of other stuff too.
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you already have like the Apple Watch doing its own thing. And you already have the iPad
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line split, like it could be where you're an Apple user, and you got to have four different
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cables to charge your devices that are in your pocket or on your body. And that is something
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that's frustrating, but lightning kind of puts it all underneath one umbrella for most
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of those things. And so I just don't know, if they do this, like they've really got to
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sell the benefits of a smart connector for charging and or data. And I just don't know
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of anyone would be convinced that it's better than Lightning, let alone better than USB-C,
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which is what a lot of people want to see.
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Yeah, yeah, as you're right, even if they do say that, "Oh, you can also charge via
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a smart connector, but primarily you should be using Qi," it's still like, "No, I would
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just prefer USB-C, thank you," because that would be really great because then my iPad,
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my MacBook, my Nintendo Switch, and my iPhone can all be charged by the same cable because
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that's actually what I want.
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I saw a rumor from our friends at MacRumors, but this time about the iPad, that the next
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iPad Air is reportedly going to get a USB-C port.
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Which I think that makes sense that the iPad line could all move to USB-C, right?
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Because again, USB-C is a better connector for charging stuff because more and more products
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are being charged by the same thing.
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But it makes the iPhone even stand out more.
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then it's like well now I really want my iPhone to be USB-C because I've just now removed
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like now it's in a smaller camp because maybe my iPad and my iPhone were charging via lightning
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well now my iPad is by USB-C and my now like the iPhone is the odd one out that I'm bringing
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a cable for right and like that would just be I would really not like that it would be
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really frustrating. And also again, suggested in the chat is that currently the phone is
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too thin for type C. Again, I will bring up my favourite fact, right? That the iPad Pro
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is the thinnest iOS device ever made. Not just the thinnest iPad, thinnest iOS device
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ever made. So they fit it on that, right? They could fit it on an iPhone. They definitely
00:49:18
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could do it. Maybe they would need to flatten the sides, but that seems like going to be
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the fun cool thing anyway to do and again it would be super disappointing to
00:49:27
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me if they took the design cues from the iPad Pro but kept the lightning port on
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it and it'd be really even more confusing than then then the connector
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situation is now on the iPads yeah I really hope that we are surprised and
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the next iPhone has a USB C on it we do but I can live with it I will not be
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happy at all if they take away all the ports in the future like I just I just
00:49:51
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can't see that as like a thing that can that I can reconcile in my brain. It'd be
00:49:57
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a real bummer. Real bummer man. Yeah. Yeah so who knows I think like I said the
00:50:01
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second you start talking about what this means in real life like as you travel or
00:50:06
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as you do whatever it just it falls apart really quickly. So mm-hmm.
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So I think this is probably going to be the penultimate anticipating WWDC segment that
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00:51:43
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week after that I assume we'll be doing our Ricky pics for WWDC so we'll see.
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So we're gonna do, I think we promised this last week, Mac OS.
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This is probably why Federico took a vacation, because we're gonna talk about Mac OS now.
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And I figure we should just turn this over to you because I think of the two of us, or
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the three of us, you're definitely the person most in tune with the Mac.
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So why don't you take it away for what you would both think and like to see.
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Okay, I'm gonna rope you into this because I think that you also are a Mac power user.
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You know, you you do a lot of work on on your Mac.
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So I want to hear what you have to say to.
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So I kind of want to tell a couple of stories about some things that I've happened have
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had happened in just the last few weeks.
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So I have a MacBook Pro and I have a Mac Pro.
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And these are some things that have happened to me in Mac OS.
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My MacBook Pro has woken up and complained that it needed a Bluetooth keyboard attached.
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It was not aware that it had an internal keyboard.
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I ended up putting it back to sleep and waking it up again and was like, "Oh, I have a keyboard!"
00:52:47
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So not super confident and stilling.
00:52:50
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I cannot fathom how that occurred, but that's fun I guess.
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And some people on Twitter were like, "Oh yeah, I've seen that too."
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So the Mac Pro continues to struggle sleeping and waking from sleep.
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This was better and now it's worse again in 10.15.5, the current version of Catalina.
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I've talked to a couple other Mac Pro users and this seems to be pretty universal across
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the different setups like I use the LG 5k.
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Other people use the pro display.
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Sometimes USB can cause weird sleep wake issues.
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There doesn't seem to be a big consensus on it's hey, is this one thing?
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Sometimes, including this morning, I came to my office, I hit the spacebar to wake the
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the Mac up, it logged me in with my Apple watch, and I had no visible cursor. So I could
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move the mouse, and if I moved it to the right edge, the dock would move a little bit, and
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I could take it to the top left, and it's like the Apple menu, but no visible cursor.
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So I took my invisible mouse, went down to where I thought the restart menu was, and
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hit restart, and my cursor came back. Cursor supports have only been part of Mac OS since,
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I don't know, 1984? What's going on?
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Like it's the beginning of my OS.
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Yeah, the very beginning.
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I shared this last week, but I've had delete finder preferences to end finder crashes.
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And I had to replace a time machine drive recently, and I had to reboot a machine to
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get time machine running again.
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You're supposed to be able to just remove the old drive, point at the new drive and
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start, and system preferences would just spin until I rebooted.
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That's actually not on either one of my machines.
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It's someone else's computer.
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I bring these up, not to just hit Mac OS over the head with a frying pan, even though I
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want to sometimes.
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But it's that there's a lot of things, a lot of little things that people deal with every
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day like keyboards and cursors that just seem a little bit broken at times.
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None of these issues are ongoing for me, except for the Mac Pro sleeping/awaking, which sort
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of comes and goes.
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But it's these little edges like why is this a thing that I have to worry about?
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Why do I have to worry about my cursor disappearing?
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I was thinking through this lesson and said, "Oh, well, it's just time to ask for a snow
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leopard release."
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And then I thought that it is really sad that every few years we have to ask for one of
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So if people aren't familiar, snow leopard was, oh gosh, I don't know, like 11 or 12
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years ago or something, 2009, and it was touted as zero new features.
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not really true it has some new stuff but the big push was on stability and
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Didn't that feature Grand Central Dispatch? Yeah, yeah. A massive thing, right? Yeah.
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Your 64-bit support head to toe is like a lot of stuff. Dropped PowerPC support.
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I love that feature name by the way, Grand Central Dispatch. It's so beautiful as a name.
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Like it just sounds so good. Yeah, very nice. Do you know what it does?
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Boost trains around? I don't know. I know it's some underpinning thing. I was going to say,
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I guess it's something about using the multiple processor cores that are now in every Macintosh
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for more efficient performance due to the technical difficulties traditionally involved
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in making applications optimized for multi-core CPUs. That sounds like a Wikipedia article.
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Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I would assume it shifts thread handling to focus to itself rather
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than leaving it to specific applications to distribute jobs evenly across cores and clears
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up unused memory created by inactive or old threads to achieve maximum performance.
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If you just had to off the top of your head.
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If I had to just assume.
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And so that has become sort of a rallying cry for Mac users.
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And in High Sierra, Apple's like, "Hey, it's like Sierra, but it's better."
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Also, there's a new file system.
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But it was sort of a year off for Mac features, even though it really wasn't.
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and trying to make it more stable and calm things down a little bit.
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And I'm tired of every three or four years asking for this.
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I mean, I've said it on this show probably more than one year that it's time for a sort
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of a snow leopard release.
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We talked about that in terms of iOS 12.
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iOS 11 was kind of a hot mess and 12 was, after its launch, pretty good.
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And then 13 was a disaster, right?
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And now it's like, oh, maybe they'll do like a snow leopard year for the iPad.
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This is something that Apple users who pay attention and just keep coming back to.
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And I blame it on one thing, I blame it on the annual release cycle.
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The Mac didn't have that in the beginning, it was every two to three years or so.
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And then starting with Lion or so it became annual.
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And the reason they did that is there were a lot of features that came out on the Mac
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and iOS at the same time are very close to each other.
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So like iOS eight and Yosemite, you had handoff, right?
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You want that across your platforms.
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But while the iPhone and particularly the iPad still need annual releases, the Mac doesn't.
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I think that there could be a world where we stay on Catalina or whatever, for a couple
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And you know what, take a take a look at what Microsoft's doing, right?
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It's Windows 10.
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They have a big update every eight months or so that adds new features.
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But the core OS is the same.
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Why is it that, you know, when you updated to High Sierra or Mojave or something that
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all of your USB audio broke?
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Like, why is that being messed with?
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Well, if you say we're not going to go into the core, we're going to add features.
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it works with iCloud or whatever, the Mac would benefit from that slower pace.
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And you know, you asked me to come up with like a feature list for 1016.
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I don't know, like, maybe I'm not like smart enough or have a good imagination, but the
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Mac feels pretty dang feature complete to me.
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But the features that are there, a lot of them are breaking down.
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And I really would implore Apple to slow down on the Mac OS release cycle.
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And it's one thing for me to complain about it as an end user and like yes, like I'm a power user
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I run like, you know my half of our production company on it
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But in the enterprise and education the annual cycle doesn't exist right a lot of education customers
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And especially a lot of enterprise customers stay on
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You know the n minus one release so they're all running
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Mojave right now or maybe even before that maybe they're still in High Sierra and
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they will upgrade when they have to maybe their security update stop or they have a security application that requires the new thing or
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They get a bunch of 16-inch MacBook Pros that can only run Catalina so they have to
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Support it for a lot of people the annual cycle is a major headache a lot of important Mac customers
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It's a major headache
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And so I think you know in talking with my friends and people I know in the internet
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Who are in that world of supporting Macs at scale?
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None of them are a fan of this annual release cycle, and I think it'd be really nice if Apple would break from it
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Well, what if it was like still came out every year, but it was really tick-tock in nature
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It would really be up to Apple to make it really clear. That's what they're doing
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Right, like it would be easy to assume that okay, they were Sierra and hi Sierra
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We had Mojave maybe Catalina will be sort of a quieter year and Catalina in a lot of ways was the biggest
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changed to MacOS there's been in seven or eight years and it's it's like well
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Apple if they're going to do that they need to like lay it out in advance and
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say hey so just hypothetically hey Catalina was a big change 1016
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we're calling it I don't know something related to Catalina I don't know I'm not
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very familiar with California hi Catalina snow Catalina no it's it's an
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island right so like soggy Catalina okay it is uh Catalina that you know
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but we've changed these five or six things.
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We didn't touch anything else.
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If they were really clear about that
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and they stuck with it long enough
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that people would trust it, I think that would be fine.
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But I feel like they're running a race
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that doesn't need to be run
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and they are only hurting the product in the meantime.
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- I am on Mojave and I have no complaints like you do.
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I feel like maybe, you know, like, you know, there are always bugs,
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of course, but it feels like catalyst has been for,
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for whatever reason, a little trickier for some users. Right. Yeah.
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And so maybe like another version could still have new features in
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but would be more stable after the typical first or second point release,
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because like, I'm sure there were complaints about Mojave,
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But whatever those complaints were, like they're not affecting me anymore or they're not a problem for me.
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So, you know, like I think maybe people have a bad opinion of Catalyst because it does include a bunch of stuff which isn't,
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which does degrade the experience kind of like by design.
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Catalina, you mean you said Catalyst, but it's a confusion.
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Yeah, but that too, I guess.
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But like that actually leads me on to a point of like when you're saying about
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like what features could be added, like stuff like that, like making Mac
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Catalyst better could be something right, which people would want.
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Oh, yeah. And I've got a handful.
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Yeah. As far as like big features, it's pretty good.
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But yeah, I don't know.
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I just feel like the maximum treadmill working way harder than it has to.
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That's my analogy for the day.
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Well, what do you what would you want to see then?
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What kind of features would be realistic for you?
01:02:50
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So there are there are a couple one is this is going to be nerdy for a second. But Apple
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with Catalina rolled out this thing called system extensions and driver kit. So like right now,
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if you install VMware fusion, right, you want to virtualize Windows, that application will install
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a kernel extension. So it has like deep roots in the OS. And it's how it allocates its memory and
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does all this stuff. And those are sort of inherently insecure. Apple's done a lot to
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harden the kernel against kernel extension intrusion, but kernel extensions by their
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nature have access to a lot of things. And Apple has said, Hey, we're going to transition away from
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these. In fact, they are deprecated at this point in Catalina in favor of system extensions and
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driver kit, which are two tools that sort of take on what kernel extensions used to do, but they
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elevate them into the user space. So it's it's more secure. So I think that that could
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be going away, either this year or next year, I don't think it's any longer than 2021. That
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means that if you have apps that run kernel extensions, like I've got a couple, those
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applications will need to be updated, or they will break. And it's you know, virtualization
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software, it's some enterprise security software, like McAfee, and some others may use kernel
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And so that's going to be, at least for probably enterprise or power users, that could be a
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pain in the butt.
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Not as big as a deal as the 32-bit app, you know, Death Curtain that Catalina draped over
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the landscape, but could be a rough thing for some types of users.
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Let me ask you a question on that, right?
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Because the 32 to 64 thing, my expectation was the apps that died were just the apps
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that weren't updated.
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I can't imagine there were that many applications that couldn't be updated for 64-bit.
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Yeah I think it was mostly like, "Oh I've used this app for 15 years and I quit getting
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support five years ago."
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But are there applications that couldn't run because of this new kernel extension thing?
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Like I'm asking you, is that a thing?
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Are there applications that because of this would not be able to work?
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but again it's up to those developers to...
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Right, so it's a similar thing that like this replicates but changes the functionality.
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If someone puts in the work they can create a driver kit kernel extension rather than
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the typical kernel extension.
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Okay, that's fine then.
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I was just wondering if like...
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Because, yeah, I don't know, I hear something like that without knowing too much about it
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and it kind of reminds me of like locking the system down.
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So I wondered if they'd removed any functionality.
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It should be relatively OK once people get on board with it.
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And again, they've had warning.
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They announced it last year.
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But that's-- still a lot of apps died in the 32 to 64.
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It's a similar thing.
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There will just be applications that
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are using kernel extensions, which just won't be updated.
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And look, I can kind of get-- personally, it's like, OK.
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It would be a shame if there was an app that I lost that I couldn't replace, but things
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have to move on eventually.
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I don't really personally have a lot of problem with the 32 to 64 thing.
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I didn't like the way that the upgrade path was for Catalyst, because I don't think it
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was made clear enough to users early enough.
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But from the sense of the developer, from the development angle, or just in the abstract,
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It's like I do agree that things have to move forward, but I don't feel like users were
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told early enough in the upgrade process that there are applications that were just not
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going to work anymore for them.
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There are rumors that Messages will become a Catalyst app.
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It seems like a lot of the Messages stuff is actually already there, but not sort of
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put into an application.
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I think Steve Troutsmith and others found some of that.
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Yeah, and Shortcuts as well, Steve found...
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Yeah, Shortcuts is basically just all there with no UI.
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So I think some of those things will continue to take shape.
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Catalyst was new.
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And I wrote at the time that it really felt like Catalyst was done in secret, and most
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of Apple didn't know about it.
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And there was also SwiftUI at the same time, and most of Apple didn't know about it.
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And there SwiftUI and Catalyst are sort of on a collision course in a way.
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I think Catalyst is the short term bridge and SwiftUI is the long term future.
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But we haven't really seen much of either on Mac OS, right?
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There are a handful of apps, some from the year before that are terrible, like home and
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And you know, those in those original ones, home, I think being the worst by far.
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And then there's the newer ones, right?
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So like the podcast app on the Mac OS, it's actually pretty good.
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Like it feels like a Mac app for the most part, it works like a Mac app for the most
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It's running on catalyst unlike TV and music which are still basically the old iTunes guts, but just sort of refreshed
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So I think we will see more catalyst apps over time from Apple. I think messages is ripe for it
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You know, it's living in like the cave where it found the bones of my chat
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so and I would like to see personally just from a statement perspective a
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core to the system application like messages become catalyst like
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Podcasts is nice, but like it was new
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and and also like look obviously I love podcasts but not I
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Can imagine not a lot of use on the Mac and nor is it like fundamental to the platform?
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No, right, but messages, you know, like oh, all right, like here we go
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Now I have a question for you though, right? This is all fine to say
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Like oh, I don't want to see too much happen to the Mac or like Oh Apple probably won't do that much
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What about an arm transition though? Like if this is the year isn't that going to be like a massive undertaking for Mac OS?
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Absolutely, you know I was thinking about the the Intel switch and
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how in one way
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To the user it was basically invisible
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Like you lost classic mode, but if you were so any classic mode in tiger you had it coming anyways, probably
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But for most people you just bought a MacBook Pro or like your you know, white Intel iMac that you had
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and it was just really fast and
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pretty good smooth transition now that was only possible because Apple did a
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behind the scenes so they had Intel versions of OS the OS running on a
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You know sort of secret
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Secret lab bench somewhere they had it all ready to go. They had Rosetta which allowed power PC
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Apps to run on Intel Macs under emulation most of them there were a couple of apps that couldn't do it
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But for the most part most what they could
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So Apple can go to those resources again, right? They can they can have emulation
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They can keep the interface the same. It's just that your MacBook Air now instead of 10 hours about your life gets 20 and
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that's the only change like that's the ideal solution I think for an end user
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right you just your next laptop gets twice the battery life of your old one
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that's what people want out of an ARM transition right who that's what people
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want not knowing there's an ARM transition coming but it's like this is
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what consumers want when they buy MacBook Air so in terms of developers
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though it's a huge deal because they've got to have their apps up and running on
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ARM but in talking with a bunch of developer friends that's going to be
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way easier than it was power PC to Intel, because there's so much arm stuff going on already. And
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if you have code base shared between your Mac app and your iOS app, it's already written in a way
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that is going to be really easy just to flip that switch or check that box and Xcode not that it's
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going to be one click and you're done, there's going to be some fine tuning. But it seems like
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it may be less work for developers making apps in modern ways than the Intel switch was all those
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years ago. So it is a big upheaval but I think it honestly I think it could be less of an upheaval
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than it was when we went to Intel. That make sense? Yeah but what about like the platform itself
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though? Like would it be... my assumption would be that there's a lot of stuff currently in MacOS
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which has been kicking around for a long time. Right? Like, not as a developer, like, who's
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taken advantage of the APIs, but like, just the stuff that's been in the Mac for, been dragging
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along for years and years since the Intel transition. And my assumption would just be
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that it would be a lot of work from Apple internally to get it to a point where it would,
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it would function. And maybe they would have to have the entire thing functioning, right?
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you can't stage the devote like the release of the operating system. Sure. Right. And so what I've
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heard from people that in the years before the Intel transition, you know, Steve Jobs is like,
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we've had it running for five years, all of our projects are cross compiled. Like that was true,
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but it wasn't super true. Like, yes, maybe mail ran on the Intel version of Jaguar, but it was
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kind of busted. And they had a lot of work to do. If the old tradition is coming, that work is if
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if their transition is coming in three weeks,
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that works all done by this point.
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And if you remember, at a previous WWDC,
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Apple took the time to say,
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even though iPhone OS was born of Mac OS,
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all these years ago,
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over time the subsystems have wandered apart from each other
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and we have been working over the last several years
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to reunify them.
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So now, let's just say Core Audio is,
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I don't know if Core Audio specifically,
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but as an example, Core Audio now is way closer
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on macOS and iOS or whatever subsystem you pick.
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And so it may be that Apple's been doing this for years,
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moving macOS and iOS closer together
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so when they do make this transition,
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all their ducks are already in a row.
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And no doubt the first developer version of our macOS
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is probably gonna be buggy.
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I mean, that was true of the developer preview
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have tiger for Intel, but by the time tiger for Intel shipped, you know, if you
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set a power book down next to a MacBook Pro, the only difference was the MacBook
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Pro was way faster. And that's what the end goal should be.
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Oh yeah. You know, there's always the question of well what does the developer transition
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look like? You know, I've wrote about this a couple years ago on Federico's site
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about the Intel development kit and go read the article if you haven't seen it
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in the show notes, where they had like a power Mac g5 case, but with like a Pentium four
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in it is very strange. I'd love to get my hands on one, someone's got one floating around
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get in touch. But it is this like standalone product. And now I mean, Jason says like,
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Oh, maybe that the current iPad Pro could be the transition kit, you know, they got
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the trackpad and the keyboard, I don't know what they're gonna do, they'll do something,
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But they may also not actually have to do anything because of where the development
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tools are now compared to they were then.
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Maybe they can just ship an ARM MacBook Air in the fall, tell everybody now, and it basically
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be okay at launch.
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I don't know.
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It's going to be exciting.
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And you know, maybe this is the year.
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It feels like it's getting closer and closer.
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So yeah, I hope it's true.
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I think I think our max would be really exciting.
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Can you imagine any kind of situation where it would happen this year,
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but not be shown at WWDC? No, this is the time.
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It would have to be that, right? Like you do it now,
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like you do it with WWDC or you wait another year, right?
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Like this isn't immediately a
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customer story. Right.
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and making it a customer story before a developer story
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would make the customer story worse.
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- Again, if you look at what they did with Intel,
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obviously they're a different company now,
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but they said, "Hey, developers, we're telling you today,
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"you can get a copy of this.
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"You can order one of these bananas, Pentium PowerMax,
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"and we're gonna start shipping them soon."
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And that did probably have a little Osborne effect
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on those PowerPC Macs, but Apple had to tell developers
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so they were ready.
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'Cause to your point, you don't want to buy a computer
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you can't run any software on.
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And then they shipped the first Intel Macs that January,
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so you know, five, six months later,
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and then they were done by the next WWDC.
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They did it all in a year,
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which was faster than they said it would be.
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Now, we're sidestepping for today,
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what do they do with the iMac Pro and my beloved Mac Pro?
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You know, those Intel machines
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that maybe they can't meet the specs of yet.
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I don't know.
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But I do think they've got to tell developers ahead of time
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and just understand that,
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yeah, it may hurt ourselves in the meantime,
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but honestly, I don't even know if it will
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because the MacBook Air is really good
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and people are just gonna go out and buy a MacBook Air,
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they pay attention to this stuff.
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I don't think they do.
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And even if they do, they may not understand it.
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- Well, they were still selling them
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when the keyboard was bad.
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- Yeah, a bunch of them, right?
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And, you know, honestly, like it would keep me from buying a new laptop.
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I mean, I just bought one, so I bought one not that long ago, so I don't need one.
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But it would hold me off, but there's not many people in the world that buy Apple products
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that are as tuned in as us and our audience are.
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And also, I could imagine a lot of people wouldn't want the new one, right, as well.
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Like I can imagine people saying like, no, I would prefer to stick to what I know.
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Not a lot, but I can imagine there also being people in that camp.
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Or give it a little while.
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You know, like, oh, let's give it six months.
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I mean, and it's possible too that depending on the emulation story, there may be people
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who prefer an Intel Mac for a while.
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I think I've told this story before, but I had a customer at the Apple store, had a PowerMac
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G5 into the Mac Pro Air and it died and he had to have PowerPC hardware.
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It was like really high-end audio stuff that wasn't on Intel yet, and I found him like a refurbished
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Power Mac g5 and talked to Apple and to sending it to him as a replacement because we were gonna replace his computer
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But I could only replace it with a Mac Pro
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And I you know begged and pulled a bunch of favors to get this guy g5 because it's what he needed
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There's always gonna be people at the edge cases
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But I think for most consumers and honestly probably most power users unless you're like developing or doing something really weird in the OS
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it's gonna be pretty invisible, hopefully,
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if Apple does their job well.
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- I would love to know if any of our listeners
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are still using PowerPC hardware that they cannot update.
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I'd just love to know that.
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Now you said that, it's like, you know,
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like how we had the people still using Aperture?
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- Right, like if for whatever reason,
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like that is a thing I would really love to know.
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- Yeah, let us know on Twitter.
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The show is that_connectedfm.
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Well, Simon, you use your iMac Pro a whole bunch.
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Is there anything that comes to mind for you?
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Right, but like, I don't, no matter what they put in,
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I don't wanna upgrade to it, right?
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Like this is, you know, like I'll say this forever,
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but my Mac is a tool for production.
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Like I don't want the newest version of the tool.
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Like if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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There is nothing wrong with my Mac Pro running Mojave.
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Do not want to touch it.
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Like I'm not going to upgrade to Catalina either.
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Like I'm just going to leave this thing on Mojave until I am forced to move.
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Like I had to update, you know, like in the past,
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I've been forced to update because software that I need will only like they cut off.
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Right. Right. I'll do it for that.
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Like if I needed to buy a new machine, right.
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I'm only on Mojave because it was all I could get on the iMac Pro, right? Like it wasn't running
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High Sierra, which is what I was on previously on my Retina iMac. So I just make sure I have
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the security updates which they release and that's another thing. Like if Apple are going to cut me
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off security update wise then I'll move to something, right? Like I'll move to the oldest
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version of an operating system that I can get but I just like to stay on the Mac where I am.
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like there isn't anything in that is exciting in these new versions of the operating systems
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typically that brings me over it's very rare that there'll be a feature on ios that doesn't work on
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the mac right or at least with some compatibility i will hand it to apple that they're pretty good
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with that right like it's very rare that something is like completely broken uh so yeah i i have no
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desire to move so there's nothing that I want I don't have that feeling about the
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Mac there are like concepts and like ideas I think it would be nice for the
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Mac platform for them to implement like I said like I would like to see Apple
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produce more of their own capitalist apps but like yeah I don't care because I
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can't run any of the countless daps just the four that came in your system that
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are all bad. Yeah but like all that they're like the first ones or will that
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but like you know like I don't have the podcasts app yeah right I still have
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iTunes on this thing and will for the foreseeable future so like I would like
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to see it I personally would really like to see an arm transition happen just
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because I am really intrigued as to what that could do for the Mac but you know
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it's not like I have a laundry list of features that I want to see like I would
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for example iOS and iPadOS. Sure, which are your primary drivers? So yeah, that's where I care about
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things moving and changing and becoming more exciting because as well also there is more to do
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especially on iPadOS. There are actual things to be done, you know, like I don't know if many people
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are asking for the windowing paradigm to be rethought on the Mac, you know, like people are
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asking for there to be refinements to the multitasking system. Mm-hmm. So all right, well I think that
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