299: The Rickies (Summer 2020)
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Hello and welcome to Connected, Episode 299.
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It is made possible by our sponsors, StoryWorth, Pingdom, and Squarespace.
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My name is Steven Hackett and I am joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.
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Oh man, I just realized Federico's gonna get the first introduction because it's
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episode 300. Next week he's gonna get the good introduction. He gets to like
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doing a victory lap and all that stuff it's like gonna be like a whole thing. Hi. He gets the
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hundreds and the 50s but you get the 25s and 75s. Oh the ones people really care about. Yeah the
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winter olympics of podcast naming. Yep also you're conceding that the winter olympics sucks and that
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summer olympics is great. The best ones and I'm saying you're out ahead. We had this big argument
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Federico about if the winter olympics were real olympics or not. What do you think? It's not about
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them being real Olympics it's just that like when people talk about the Olympics what do they mean?
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what does that mean? they mean the Olympics that happen in the summer not the Olympics that happen
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in the winter oh no those are like the fake Olympics because you have the Olympics and then
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the winter Olympics nobody calls the Olympics the summer Olympics that doesn't happen no exactly you
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have the Olympics and then like the addendum like the DLC of the Olympics which are the winter
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Olympics. That's basically what it is.
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That's very true. Yeah, see that's how it works. I'm sorry Steven. So this is all regarding
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an episode of "Ungenious". "Ungenious" is a show that me and Steven do about weird and
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wonderful things we find on Wikipedia. And basically Federico, Steven's... I will never
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understand this. I don't think he'll ever be able to explain it to me in a way that
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I'll understand it. Stephen likes the winter Olympics more because he can do some of the
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things that are in the summer Olympics. What does that even mean? It means nothing.
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I don't get it. Like I don't get this entire argument. So Stephen, you prefer, you prefer
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the winter Olympics? Yes, because, because, because it's more exciting to me. I can run
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around in circles and play basketball. I cannot ski down the mountain. You cannot run like
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an Olympic athlete. But I can run around, I can't do anything on skis. What does that mean? Oh well,
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if you really try you can also run down the cliff of a mountain. Doesn't make you a skier though.
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Yeah exactly. Like I don't get it. It's not because you have fancy like biking equipment
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and those little, you know, those tight biking pants and whatnot. That's a really good question
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that I've never thought to ask before. So in case you don't know, Steven bikes a lot,
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he loves to bike. Do you have like, light crop biking shorts? I think he shorts that.
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Of course I do. He does. Do you do? Yeah. It totally does. Alright, I'm gonna text Mary,
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I need a picture of you in these. But just because you dress up like an athlete doesn't
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make you an Olympic athlete. That's very true. That's very true. I'm just saying.
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Man, I need to see a picture of you in your bike shorts. That's very specific and troublesome.
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No, I need it. I'm gonna text your wife.
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Uh, we're also joined by Federico Vittucci. Hi Federico!
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Hello! Finally I was waiting for my intro.
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Thank you, appreciate it.
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Oh, the Japes.
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I'm in a different house.
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I don't know if it comes through with the audio, but I'm at the beach house, so...
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Look at you.
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I'm also wearing shorts.
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Imagine being in another place to the place that you have to be.
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Imagine such a thing.
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Yeah, imagine that. Imagine that.
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I think I know what the noise is.
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There's a clock. I'm staring at a clock.
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Oh my god, that's gonna be throughout the entire show.
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My parents have a physical clock up on a wall.
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And I just noticed that this clock exists.
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Well now that you've explained it, I don't have to edit it out.
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I will remove it.
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However, it's up there.
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It's above a cabinet and I don't want to hurt myself.
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So I don't I really don't want to get up on this piece of furniture
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I'm sorry, but my parents are old people and they have like a clock like an actual clock on a wall. I have that in my house
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Why? Can you know what time it is?
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Your watch and phone like who uses clocks. Oh god
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Why do they have a clock? I'm staring at it's so creepy
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Like, what would you have a clock with numbers and, like, hands that move?
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This is a very peculiar opinion that you're holding now.
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Yeah. Lots of people have clocks.
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Clocks are... It's weird because nobody needs them anymore.
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We all have phones and watches.
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Yeah. Which, if you think about it, are just little clocks.
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Literally anybody has a phone that tells the time.
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Like, and especially why would you buy one that makes a little noise?
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Like, I don't get it. Buy a digital one that is silent.
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For it to make an audible noise is a peculiar choice.
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But maybe they've had that clock for longer than they've had you.
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I'm so sorry, this is my parents' house.
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I am not responsible for the purchasing of the clock.
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No, we know that.
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Well, today is a big day.
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We will be making our picks for WWDC 2020,
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including regular picks, Ricky's, and the newest type of pick
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called the Flexys, which are non-graded.
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I don't remember why they're called that.
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Can anyone remind me why they're called the flexies?
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- Because those are for bragging rights.
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And so like it's a flex.
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And so that later, if you get those right,
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you can flex with people.
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- Oh, all right.
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I was gonna say why they're not called the braggies,
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but now I get it 'cause you're flexing.
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Thank you very much.
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- Yeah, you're flexing. - Yeah, mm-hmm.
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- But before we get there,
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we have a couple of other things we needed to take care of.
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We have some very important follow-up
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about the ceiling fan that I bought.
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- No, why is that?
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Why, I saw, why?
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So you could have just said follow up or you could have just said important follow up.
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You had to go all the way to very important follow up.
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You would be shocked at how many people sent me notes about the ceiling fan that I bought
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and why I chose that one.
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You could have replied to every single one of these people with a link in less time and
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it's going to take us to get through this item of follow up.
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Especially if you guys keep complaining about it.
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Like let me just do it.
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This is part of the point.
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I installed the Hunter Newsome 42 inch indoor low profile
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brushed nickel ceiling fan with light kit bundled with handheld remote control.
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Oh, you didn't want to go for the high profile?
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No, because it's only eight and a half foot ceilings in this room.
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And I wanted it snug against the ceiling so it wasn't like too intrusive.
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Do you love your family or is that not the case?
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What do you mean?
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Just the hype. You know, everybody knows that the high profile.
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No, that means it hangs down lower into the room.
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Low profile means it's like snug against the ceiling.
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I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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I do not understand the words that I'm saying.
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I'm trying to fansplain you here.
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Let me fansplain you.
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Haha, there you go.
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This whole thing was worth it for fansplaining.
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So anyways, there's a link to it in the show notes.
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Bill has tweeted at the show with something completely wonderful.
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Let me just read this.
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So this is from Bill on Twitter.
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So random story, I listened to last year's show where you coined the rookies at an unsanitary
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hostel in western Tibet and he took a picture.
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Say the name of the mountain, Steven.
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Mount Kalash.
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I don't know if you're right, but I know that you immediately stopped when you saw that
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there was a word.
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Yeah, that's what I do.
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Later, they took out they walked out took a photo using a tripod and it is a beautiful photo
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Oh, yeah, and it's and it really was it's one of those things of like it was really kind of cool to hear like how
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Far our show reaches a bill. Thank you for this tweet. It's an amazing photo. Like go check it out
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Yeah, I'm sure this was not taken with an iPhone 10s
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No, yeah, I this is like Mac OS wallpaper level photography here, right?
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Yes, it I had that same thought and we'll put his smug mug page on
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In the show notes, you can go see his other work. I spent some time there. It's all beautiful
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Didn't flicker get bought by them. Yes
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It's the sound the Pokemon would make yeah, it's smug mug that is also the name of a Pokemon. It's the Pokemon
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If you post a picture for an insect, it's a smug mug bug smug bug
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Smug as a rug in a bug
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Thank you bill it's an amazing photo we appreciate it
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Nigel wrote in saying that he didn't understand why the arm transition was such a big deal because apples had arm laptops way back in
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197 with a picture of an email 300 when I was in school. I don't know. Maybe I was like
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14 or 15 I sprained my wrist
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From a rollerblading incident because wait, wait information on that please right there were this is it
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I tried rollerblading fell over badly sprained my wrist stopped rollerblading
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They gave me an email to use in school in class like the school that they gave me one of these to type with instead of
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writing because I hurt my left wrist. How have we not heard this story before? Why
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are you just sharing this story? I'm very sure I've told it somewhere. I'm almost
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convinced. A rollerblading incident and they give you an email. See this is the thing. I
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know I never said the rollerblading part before but the kids all do rollerblading
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- The James does.
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- We have a tiny topic.
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costs cost an extra 700 bucks, but it's got eight gigabytes of HBM to memory. This is
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a screen This is like a bananas GPU for a MacBook Pro, and something like 75% faster
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T2 and all that stuff. One to eight terabyte kits, the eight terabyte kit will run you
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$2800 and I've got a link in the show notes to the description of how you install them.
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You need another Mac, a USB-C cable, and Apple configurator because you have to repair them
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with the T2. It seems like a real complicated deal.
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I expect you're very excited.
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Like, do you want one of the SSD things?
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Is this a thing in, I mean, obviously not eight terabytes, but like,
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do you need more? What did you get? I don't remember.
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I've got a four terabyte drive in my now as my boot drive
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and then have a four terabyte archive drive,
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which is just old projects like old videos and stuff out of my boot drive.
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I have one point four terabytes free, but on my archive drive,
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I only have 700 gigs free.
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And so I got to do something with my archive drive here before too long.
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So we'll see.
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2800 bucks is really expensive.
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It's even a premium over something like the max sales.
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The OWC folks, they have a card that goes into PCI slot
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and has a bunch of those little like M.2 SSDs.
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And this is a premium even over that,
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but it's Apple and it would be covered
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under your Apple care if you do it.
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And so there are some benefits to this
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over third party solutions,
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but you can definitely make your money go further
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by doing something besides this.
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So anyways, Mac Pro stuff.
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So I don't think we're gonna see much in terms
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Maybe the iMac Pro, but it seems like they're trying
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before the conference starts on Monday.
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- Yeah, it's little bits and bobs, right?
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- Not that this would have found its way into the keynote,
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I'm sure, but-- - No, but Apple used to do,
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what they used to do is they'd have the keynote
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and then all this other stuff would happen on the same day
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and they get lost in the news cycle.
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And so I think now they're trying to have it where
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this stuff gets its own couple of days before the conference
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it doesn't get buried by everything else.
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You guys ready to lose?
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So that's how you're leading. You think you're going to win.
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Yeah, I'm going to clear up the whole year. I'm winning this.
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I'm going to win the annual picks and I guess I'll just pick up the Septembers as well.
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Look, I don't hold any of the Twitter accounts.
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Your confidence is very cute.
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I don't hold any of the Twitter accounts.
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I'm taking them.
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I'm taking them.
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Let's go through the rules real quick for people who may not remember how this works
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and to remind ourselves because these are complicated.
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So the order is set by the winner of the previous event predictions.
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That order this time is me, then Myke, then Federico.
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To earn any points everything written down in the prediction document must come true.
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No half points may be awarded in any round.
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One point is awarded for any pick deemed correct in the first two rounds and picks cannot be
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Two points will be awarded for the correct picks in the risky pick round known as the
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If your risky pick is wrong, you will lose a point and critically the other two hosts
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must agree that your pick is deemed risky enough.
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So we usually do that over iMessage before we made it on the show today.
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We have the final round called the flexies.
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These are non graded picks.
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The loser of the flexy picks must buy drinks for the other two hosts.
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Well how can we buy drinks remotely?
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Drinks have never been purchased.
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I just want to say we've had this as a rule for a while.
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Nobody's ever bought drinks for anyone.
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But I guess if someone's thirsty.
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Mm-hmm and as a reminder there are annual chairman and keynote chairman Twitter accounts
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Federico holds the annual chairman account because he won the annual picks last year
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I am the current holder of the keynote chairman Twitter account because I won the last regular event
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But my handle is on the line today or next week. I should say so I could lose this to either one of you
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Yeah, I'm gonna have both and you cannot use both of them, I guess
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Why? Because you've never used, you've never tweeted from the annual chairman
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account. I'm just waiting for the right moment. What is this moment? When you
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least expect it, you will open Twitter and see a tweet from the annual chairman
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account and the keynote chairman account and be like "oh these tweets they came at
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the perfectly appropriate time." Right, you have like one tweet that's gonna be
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splitting off. They sneak up on you when you least expect it and they, you know,
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append your expectations completely as to what you can get from your Twitter
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experience. Okay. Wow. I then just go out the first day and tweet like Steven did
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you know "oh yeah I'm the keynote chairman" no I wait patiently by the side of the river
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I bide my time. For the right words to flow by and then I will issue my tweet. Then you'll
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strike. Yeah let's do this let's pretend that this is actually gonna be a
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competition and just you know do this because we all know who's gonna win so. Yes the
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The year of Steven will continue for its 27th consecutive year.
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I guess it's the 34th consecutive year because I'm 34.
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Round one, my pick.
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The transition to Arm is announced for the Macintosh.
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It's not called the Macintosh, so you already got this wrong.
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It's not called the Macintosh anymore.
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So for the Mac.
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Everything in the...
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Oh, Federico.
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Should I remind you to earn any points, everything written down in the prediction document must
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- That was written down in the prediction document.
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- Yep, you wrote the rules.
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- That's not true.
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- Sure you did.
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- I read them.
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I read them, I didn't write, we wrote them together.
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- You wrote it down yourself, old man.
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The Macintosh prediction from the 80s.
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- Transition to ARM, feels like it's the year.
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I will say, so if we scroll down
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the bottom of the document, in my annual predictions,
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- I have a--
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- You have a Flexi.
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- I have a Flexi that says,
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Apple does not ship the first ARM Mac in 2020.
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So if you combine these, it will be announced,
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but the first ARM Mac won't ship this year.
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- So I have a question about this.
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This is a Flexi, so it's not important,
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but I was looking at these the other day.
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- But we're gonna do it anyways.
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- If there was a transition kit,
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Would that count as shipping?
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It's not a product.
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It's a transition kit.
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You didn't say it had to be a product.
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Well, it's a Flexy, so does it matter, so I can be right.
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We'll deal with that when we get there, son.
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I guess it is kind of pointless arguing it today.
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We can maybe argue it next week.
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Because we can argue it next week and at the end of the year.
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So your prediction is the transition to ARM is announced for the Mac.
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Now, do they need to call it ARM for the prediction to be correct?
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No, it's transition to...
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A different chip architecture.
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Well, I feel like this would be my advice to you as a fellow winner of previous predictions.
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Yes, we're both winners.
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I have won lots of them, there were just no Twitter accounts.
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Winner to...
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Yeah, nobody remembers those, Myke.
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Winner to winner, Steven.
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I think you need to make this as...
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I won like three in a row.
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Yeah, nobody cares about that.
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I think you need to generalize this as much as possible
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because then I can imagine our friend Myke Hurley saying,
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"Oh, but it didn't announce a transition to ARM.
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It's a transition to, you know, whatever the system
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is going to be called, Apple, CPU."
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You started this by saying it's not called the Macintosh.
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I was just pointing out facts.
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Here, instead, I'm trying to imagine a future
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where this conversation may be held.
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A CPU transition is announced for the Mac.
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Perfect! There you go.
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We're switching to AMD!
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You never know!
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Threadripper's for everybody.
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You never know.
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I'd like a Threadripper and a Mac Pro. Apple.
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Threadripper!
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All right, so that's mine. I feel pretty good about that.
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Michael, you're up next.
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The iPad home screen gets new features.
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That's pretty broad, but it's not a Ricky.
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Okay, that's the prediction. So new features.
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Right, you see, I very purposefully gave that a very broad prediction.
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I've learned.
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Yeah, you're learning.
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Specificity is the murder of the Ricky's.
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And again, I won so many times. There was just no...
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I won like three in a row, remember?
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I won like...
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No one cares who won in 2016.
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Yeah, and you want you want like this with these broad predictions that are not fun
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I know that we have the Rickeys, but you should you know, give it a bit of flavor
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Give it a bit of a no, you know, no one can make me no one can make me change my labor less prediction
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Yeah, it's yeah. Okay, cool. So
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Just to clarify what if the only change that we get is they move the clock. Is that a home screen feature? No
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Okay, it's got to be something that didn't exist before
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So like moving the clock there was always a clock, okay
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so this is not in the pick, but what I'm talking about here is like
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widgets or you can now rearrange your icons however you like or
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There's documents on the desktop now that kind of stuff. Okay, so a new feature
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Yeah, not a reshuffling of existing features exactly has to be stuff that we didn't have before
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How minor is something to count as a new feature?
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Like what if they have the option to turn off labels under the under the app icons or something? That seems pretty big to me
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To turn off the words under the app icons. That's not minor. That's the big change. There's people who like that
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But my point there though is like that's a big that's a big change
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That's like a thing that we've had for a decade at this point is the labels under the app icons
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That would be a big feature like a new that's like a new thing. It's like a sick. It would be a new feature
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Yeah new feature
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Oh, I mean, we can accept this prediction.
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I know it's not exciting, but I don't care. I want to win.
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Yeah, you like to win.
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And also, let me just say, let me just say when we're talking about exciting,
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if they do what I want them to do, we're all going to be super happy about it.
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Like if they put widgets on the home screen and they're all new widgets,
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they allow us to put like documents and folders on the home screen instead.
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So we can quickly get to things that don't need to live in files anymore.
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Like we'll be flipping out over that.
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It's gonna be amazing sure but that aftertaste of you getting this prediction, right?
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Yeah, well if you would have done better in the last predictions you could have picked it before me
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But you came to a winner you came lost Federico. I'm sorry. What title do you hold?
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Here, well, let's talk about Federico's next pick because I think you've gotten too specific for your own good here
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This is Federico's way
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My prediction is well you can you know?
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you may not like my approach but you cannot deny that I don't have style. So
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my prediction is new iMessage features including the ability to retract sent
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messages. So essentially I think that Apple is going to copy a WhatsApp feature
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WhatsApp allows you to delete, to retract a previously sent message in a
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conversation and I think this is not the prediction but I personally think that
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that Apple should and is going to copy a bunch of different WhatsApp features for iMessage.
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So my prediction is we're going to get new iMessage features. So I could have stopped
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there, but I also really want to see the ability to extract a previously sent message. And
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I also think this was rumored before at some point. So my prediction is going to be, because
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I want to give it that flavor, you know, I don't want to be too broad and, you know,
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just win easy. I want to win with the struggle. I like that. So new iMessage features, including
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the ability to retract sent messages.
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Well, look, if you want, because Des not a flavor, you're not being specific, are you?
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You're just saying including.
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Yeah, including. But I'm adding something. I'm adding something to the...
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New iPad home screen gets new features. So if it's, if, so, okay, let me ask a question
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here. If they don't announce retracting sent messages, but have other features, do you
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get the point? No, I don't. That's the point. Also, it has to include... Yeah, everything
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in the doc is the pick. Okay, well then, you're wild. You're a wild person. Well, and also
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I put in the document, I put WhatsApp, like WhatsApp, it's indented because that's not
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part of the pick, it's to give you an idea of what it will look like. The pick is new
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iMessage features including the ability to track sent messages. So if there's new...
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That's the pick.
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New features, but you can't retract, you don't get it.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So, I predict new features, and amongst these features, there's one that is you can delete
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a previously sent message.
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Now, I said iMessage, so here's my only doubt here.
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I said iMessage because I assume that these features will be specifically retracting a
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message, should be an iMessage, as in the iMessage protocol.
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feature because I don't think you can retract a previously sent SMS. So that's why, for context,
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that is why I said new iMessage features. They need to put it in the iMessage deep and
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open framework. Yeah. Yes, we're going to talk about deep and open frameworks later. Oh, I know.
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I would also say that like if this is an iOS only feature, that's perfectly fine. I just want to
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state that for you because you said iMessage, it then could be like, do you mean the entire
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service but like I just think if it's available in some form in iMessage you'll be fine.
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And I mean if they're gonna show it you know they're gonna show it on an iPhone.
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Then they're gonna tell you "oh on iPad now you can retract it"
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Well I was thinking more about the Mac but sure or the Macintosh.
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Oh yeah I guess that also exists.
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But yeah I mean they're gonna do the new messages app on the Mac so.
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Maybe on the Mac it will just show in brackets underneath "this message was retracted"
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it never actually is you know. Let's see. Steven what's your round two pick? My round
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two pick is as follows. An AR demo is given calling out the benefits of the time of flight
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sensor found on the 2020 iPad pros. Oh okay slow down. Is given? Where, what does it mean
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is given? Like does it have to be in the keynote or on the website or in a promo video? Good
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What is is given this passive this passive verb I need to see it on
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The stream so I don't care if it's live or if it's pre-recorded in the keynote
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In the keynote stream or in the okay, so not in the state of the Union in the keynote stream
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We don't we have never so this is actually okay, so the the rules for the Ricky's
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Anything goes up until we record. That's the difference. Oh, that's right
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- Right, I've forgotten.
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- If it's not in the keynote, but we find out about it
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in a session on Tuesday afternoon, you got the point.
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- Yep. - Okay, okay.
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so what are you saying? - Oh, that's good.
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What am I saying? - Yes.
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- I'm saying that they're gonna have some sort of demo.
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- In? - Calling out the benefits.
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- The keynote?
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- So by demo, you mean a person,
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because I'm trying to be specific here in that
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I don't want to be in a situation where, for example,
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Apple updates their website,
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and there's a new section of a website that says,
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"Oh, with the time of flight sensor,
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now you get these features."
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It has to be a demo.
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- I meant for it to be broad.
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So what if I go with,
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Apple draws attention to the benefits
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of the time of flight sensor?
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- That's so, I feel so hard to judge.
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I think you said demo and we can go with demo and we can, I think we can tell what a demo
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How about there has to be a video from Apple, right, that...
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A video or a part of a video.
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Is an AR demo calling out the benefits, so it has to appear on video from Apple before
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It has to appear on video, I think it's a good description because it could be in the
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keynote or it could be a session. Or in the state of the union.
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Or in the state of the union. So it needs to appear on video. The website doesn't count.
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There's just to be a lot of work for Steven to get this if it's not in the keynote.
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Apple, yeah I now have to watch all the AR sessions.
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Watch everything.
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Well, listeners, if you see it, send me a link.
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You know what would be funny? If Apple didn't mention this on video and went like,
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"Oh, you guys have seen that first time of flight sensor in the iPad Pro?" It sucks.
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They mention it but they don't tout the benefits of it.
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You've taken AR out of here.
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Oh sorry, that's a typo.
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Why don't you just put 4 AR at the end?
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Okay yeah that works.
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So the pick is Apple shares a video touting the benefits of the time of flight sensor
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found in the 2020 iPad Pros for AR.
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I feel like this is a risky pick at this point,
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the way that it's phrased.
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- We've walked him into risky town.
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That's very good.
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- Yes, so here's my thinking behind this,
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'cause the more you talk about it,
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the worse I feel about it.
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My thought is, I think everyone's thought is,
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this sensor's coming to the new iPhones
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whenever they ship in the fall.
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And Apple won't say that, but very often Apple's like,
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"Wink, wink, nudge, nudge,
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this hardware is really important or in things like size classes, oh you really want size
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classes in your apps.
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And then slide over becomes a thing.
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I have a Flexi that's like this to share later on.
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That follows the same methodology.
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But as you'll see, I didn't make it a pick.
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It wasn't as bold as you.
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I'm going bold because Apple thinks AR is really important.
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And I don't think anyone really knows why or cares as much as Apple does.
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And I think that they will show off something, ARKit, iOS something, using that time of flight
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sensor and say, "Hey, if you build in support for this, you get all these features," wink,
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wink, it's going to be important.
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I appreciate this pick.
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If you were Myke, you would have just said Apple mentions AR, and that would have been
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All right, so my next pick is iOS gets the ability to change default apps from those
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to Apple Make.
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I am going to say...
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Oh, this is a good one.
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Including email.
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That's not in the doc, you gotta add that.
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I know it's not in the doc, because I feel like I have to do something,
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or I'm gonna be called the non-risky regular pick person.
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Non-specific Myke, they'll call me.
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You gotta get under your skin over here.
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IOS gets... I don't care about what you say.
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It's everyone else I care about.
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It's everybody else.
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Like, I don't mind taking it from you, but I don't want to spend the rest of the week
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dealing with people saying to me, "You don't do risky things."
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So iOS gets the ability to change default apps from those that Apple make, including
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And there's a very easy way to tell if it includes email, because if you can, tapping
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any mail to URL will open the different applications.
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So very easy to confirm.
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Look, I will say, look, I'm not being incredibly hard on myself.
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I feel like this is the easy one if they're going to do any of them.
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Right? Like email feels like the one you would do.
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This is probably a really, actually, this is a nice segue.
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Let me actually, I'll tell you why I think they're going to do this.
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And then that will lead us into to a very quick sub topic.
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I believe they're going to do this not because they want to, but because this
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will be a thing that they will want to show regulators in Europe and the US,
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about "oh hey we are not forcing people to use our applications" like I actually
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think they will also do this for music, maybe for messaging as well, like to just
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let you choose your defaults for those. Not in the pic, just something Myke thinks
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because that will give them something to try and show that they are not keep
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trying to like force and keep their monopolies as much as they want, right?
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Does that make sense? Right, that they would do this as an antitrust thing. And I could see this
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being a thing where they say it's coming later this year, and it's actually not in 14-0. Ooh,
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that's nice. Yeah, I like that. That maybe if, and we're gonna already talk about the hay thing,
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I assume, if that was like the straw that broke the camel's back, which it could be, we don't know,
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that maybe this isn't in the betas, or maybe it's not there on day one, but shows up a little bit.
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later like just something about this feature makes me think maybe it's not
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there on day one I don't know why I can't put my finger on it but I have
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that little thought in the back of my head could take a little while for them
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to get it all in place they might have additional approvals that they make you
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do right like that might be like a separate process so you might need to
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get signed differently I don't know what it might be right that's how CarPlay is
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right you have to have special entitlements entitlements and so it
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could be that you have to work with Apple for that. I mean Android has a
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system for this right where like I would expect they would probably do something
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similar with the first time you click a link that is you know that can send an
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email it will say hey which one of these you want to use mm-hmm and I would
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expect them to do something pretty similar to that where it will let you
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choose every time or you can set a default from that pop-up that would
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appear. Let's just, we'll touch on this real quick. Hey, which is an email app, a
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new email service, hey, from 37signals, I think, or I don't know if they're called
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Basecamp now, but the company behind Basecamp have set up a company called Hey.
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Hey. Hey. It's a new email service, it's rolling out now, they, it's free for
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14 days, you pay $100 a year, that's the service. Their iPhone app has been
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rejected because they have a paid subscription service that they do not have an in-app purchase
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One, but the thing that's really, I mean, we all know this, right?
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Everybody knows this by now that Apple want you to use their in-app purchases and that's
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why you can't link to your website and all that kind of stuff.
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We've heard this before, right?
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It's why like Netflix won't let you sign up.
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They also won't link, but you've got to know that you've got to have a Netflix account.
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Well, Hey, did all of that stuff.
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There's no links out, there's no nothing.
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I want to read a quote from Protocol.
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This was David Pierce reporting.
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"Apple told me that its actual mistake was approving the app in the first place when
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it didn't conform to its guidelines.
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Apple allows these kinds of client apps where you can't sign up, only sign in, for business
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services but not consumer products.
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That's why Basecamp, which companies typically pay for, is allowed on the App Store when
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Which users pay for isn't anyone who purchased hay from elsewhere could access it on iOS as usual
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The company said but the app must have a way for users to sign up and pay through Apple's infrastructure
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That's how Apple supports and pays for its work on the platform. I have two points just one
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I don't want to say the word that I want to say about what I think about this statement
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But it is baloney it this is so terrible
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Like that it almost feels like the spokesperson that talked spoke to David Pierce went rogue because this is bananas
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Like the last point that's how Apple supports and pays for its work on the platform. Is it though? I don't think it is like
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We pay for the phones, right and Apple makes a lot of money in a lot of ways
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I can't imagine that like that 30% pays for all of it. Just don't I'm not gonna accept that as an answer
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But the other thing is like so what Apple has done here is I there was a I'm a big fan of dithering
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John Gruber and Ben Thompson's you show they have a great episode. I'll link to the tweet
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They put a clip and you should listen to that show
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But they made a point there and I've seen other people do it too is that the problem here isn't that Apple changed the rules?
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No rule has changed rule three point one point one is the same Apple has changed its
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interpretation of that rule where now they're saying oh no, you can't do that either you can't
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Service that you pay for outside and just not link to it now if there's even an existence of a service outside
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You must allow us to process that payment as well. I don't like it. It doesn't sit right with me
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I don't know why this company need feels the need to do this. Okay, I say that I know why they want that services
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revenue to keep going up up up that's why they're doing it but like this is in
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the same week that the European Commission has announced their antitrust
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stuff for Apple for this very thing this is gonna blow up big time unless they
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fix it and I think that my hope here is that something's got misconstrued
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because I cannot otherwise understand why they think this is acceptable
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Because there are other apps that do work this exact way.
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Slack, Netflix, where you can sign into the app, but you have to have an account that
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you pay for outside of the app store.
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And this whole business consumer thing is bananas.
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I can sign up for a basecamp and just be me and not a business.
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I can also pay for Hey, and I will do Hey with my business account because I do email
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like business email is work for me. Like Apple can't be the arbiter of what is for businesses
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and what isn't. And also this idea of like, oh, there are these reader apps and like Netflix
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is a reader app. Like Apple, just say it, right? Say what you actually want to say,
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which is you need to be big enough for us to give you a break here.
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Yeah, which is terrible policy. But if that's what you are, want to do, which is what you're
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doing right because they include Dropbox in that list like Netflix and Dropbox are the same like
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just say it if you want to do deals in the background which we know you're doing because
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you're a big business just say it's that so like because personally I don't have any more of a bad
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or good feeling about that than what you're doing because I know that's what you're doing so just
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tell me that's what you're doing so just broadly speaking I personally think Apple is in the wrong
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here, obviously. I don't think, like, I've read a lot about it this past couple of days,
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I went in and checked the guidelines again, but it's one of those things that they just
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feel wrong, you know? And I think we had part of this conversation when Spotify brought
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on their complaints a few months ago. First of all, I think Apple is taking this stance,
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weird stance on this problem at the worst possible time with a new antitrust investigation
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that just started in the EU and WWDC, which is a developers conference starting just a
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few days. So this is the worst possible timing for Apple to say, to show this anti-competitive
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behavior. And I also think it's just wrong for consumers and for developers to have this
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sort of, you know, hidden categorization of developers between big developers who we cannot
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afford to push around and smaller developers who either they play by our rules or they're
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shut off from the platform. I think this is not a good look. I would be very surprised, very,
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very surprised if Apple does not walk this back in regards to "hey". "Hey!" I have faith that somebody
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high up enough is going to see this and realize they made a wrong call somewhere.
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Because we've seen this kind of stuff happen in the past, right? And this really feels like
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someone made a decision for either good or bad reasons and it's trickled down and messed stuff up.
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And it just is no bold to different websites. The statements to the Verge and to Protocol,
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That's very strange because when you give those statements, they're usually reviewed by PR and
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they go through multiple chains of people. So it's really surprising that Apple
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may have not foreseen this backlash coming. I mean, it definitely does help, of course, that the
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people behind Hey and Basecamp, they have a very large audience and following.
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And David Hanalaya Hansen, the CTO, is a very vocal controversial figure when it comes to this kind of stuff anyway.
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And I also do want to say that I cannot...
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There is a medium-sized elephant in the room here where this is a closed email platform.
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Which is strange, right?
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Because it seems like 37signals Basecamp, David Hanalaya Hansen, believe in openness over everything.
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but like this is an email platform that I cannot use with any other app except theirs.
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I know why they're doing it because it does things that are cool and different but it is still a
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closed platform. But does it matter though? Oh absolutely this is completely separate to
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what Apple's doing. I'm just saying this as like a an interesting thing where it's I just want to
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to make that point because I feel like it's a point that needs to be made.
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I agree but of course in a fair and open and competitive market you shouldn't care about
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the people and the actors that are going to take advantage of your rules. You've got to
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make the rules and the rules have to be fair.
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Yeah but as I said I really need to just... that point is completely disconnected from
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any decision that Apple made because I've been thinking this about "hey anyway" well
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I want to try it out, I'm interested in it.
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I don't, I'm struggling to see how they will gain foothold in the long term.
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Like, it has to be so good because ultimately they will want all my email.
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And that's an interesting thing, right?
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Like, they're going to want my business email later on.
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I know they do.
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So then, like, email just becomes, "Hey."
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Anyway, it's like a funny thing, but like, we can't even have this discussion now because
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there's all this other stuff going on. So I want to come, I am, I have access to
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Hey and I want to try it out and I want to really give it a fair shake but I do
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want to come back to talking about it in general anyway. Like obviously I'm gonna
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talk about it's an email app it's like this is my bread and butter talking about
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email apps but this whole thing with with with them and Apple is what is wild.
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So what was your pick? Yeah iOS gets the ability to change default apps from
00:50:24
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those that Apple make, including email.
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That's a good pick.
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Can I do mine?
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Yes, please.
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Oh, this is actually kind of generic. I did have a generic one.
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IOS or watchOS. Actually, no. IOS and watchOS. Both of them together.
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Get new sleep tracking features.
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I don't know why you added the "and" in there.
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Why did you do that?
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can you sleep track with your phone? No, I just think there's gonna be a... No, I
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think if they do add sleep tracking on the watch, of course you're gonna have
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some sleep tracking component on the iPhone as well. Okay, so I would like to just clarify.
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For visualizing data... I really want you to take iOS out of this pic for your own sake, Federico.
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Just, you don't need it in there. You're making it harder for yourself, because
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there are things that the watch does that iOS doesn't pair with, like breathe.
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Alright cool, watchOS gets new sleep tracking features.
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You don't need to make it harder on yourself.
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I totally get what you're saying and that yeah I'm sure there will be some component
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where it dies in.
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Yeah it'll be in the health app.
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I just think it'll be there.
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I mean if you track your sleep with the watch you're gonna have either new sections in health
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or a new section in the watch app.
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But I wouldn't count that though.
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Okay cool, no I get it.
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if they measure it in health like I'm not that's not a new feature like that's
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that term in my mind like that doesn't feel like a feature no but I was also
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thinking like maybe there's like a sleep mode that you can enable like from
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control center on the iPhone or stuff like that right but then like how
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different is it to the car bedtime mode because that right I do feel I do feel
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more confident about saying watch OS gets a new native sleep tracking feature
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We're not even in the Ricky's yet, man.
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Like, you know?
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So, let me ask you, let me ask you this.
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Is this something that gets announced at WWDC?
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Or if it's for new hardware only, do they hold it for the new watch?
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This is the risk.
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Yeah, that's the risk.
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I would like to see this be like Series 5 and up.
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Which I think they could, they could do.
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Actually, the Series 4 and Series 5 watch have the same processor, right?
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So, maybe, I don't know.
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Feels like there's some give there where it could come to older devices, but I do think
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you run a risk of this being a Series 6 hardware thing.
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Because like "Always On" watch faces was like, we didn't know about that until the watch
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announcement and there's not going to be a third party story with sleep tracking.
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Well there is, it's called being "shirt locked".
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If I phrase the pick as "WatchOS" - the next version, whatever, 7 - gets new sleep tracking
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If I don't say new native sleep tracking features,
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I think I could potentially account for two possibilities.
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One is the native feature from Apple.
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The other is new APIs for developers or, again,
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maybe a new sleep tracking mode that you get
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in Control Center on the watch, something else.
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I think if I just say,
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because I do believe the watchOS 7 and the next Apple watch,
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Apple is going all in on sleep tracking.
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So I just want to say watchOS gets
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new sleep tracking features.
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I could possibly see an API. I can understand that. Like, you know, like,
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workout apps can tie into health. So, hmm. Alright. Yeah. So that's the pick.
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Alright, so that finishes round one and round two. It is time for the Rickies after this break.
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So the time has come.
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It is time for our Rickiest, the Ricky picks, riskiest pickiest time for the Ricky's.
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Can you feel, can you feel the excitement?
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You guys seem excited.
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I do believe that my pick is the Rickiest of them all and...
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Oh yeah, you went... just head into this!
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This was unprecedented though, this Ricky selection. There was no fighting.
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We always have the worst fights when we're trying to decide... because basically what happens is
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a day or two before we all share our Ricky picks of each other and have to agree that they are
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risky and if they're not and we like if we can't come to a decision we've had Jason get involved as
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an impartial third party to make us change this there was this time we had one requested
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clarification and then that was it well I mean it's not that I don't think your pick is not
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risky Myke well you must if you agreed to it you must think it's risky I do think it's risky
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I just think it's kind of obvious. I think it's both risky and obvious at the same time.
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Well that's why I picked it.
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Yeah, because you like to win easy.
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No, because I want to win.
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So now we're fighting.
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I picked something, which you'll hear in a bit, that there's been no rumor for.
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People can assume it's going to happen. People have said, "Oh, they should probably do this."
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Everybody's going to assume it's going to happen.
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Everyone thinks it's happening, but those are the rules.
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the rules are like there has to have been no prior information that could guarantee this
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thing's gonna happen. From my perspective, Steven's is the least risky. Yeah, you also have a point.
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The more I look at this, the more I feel like a lone man on an island. I think that there is a
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Risky level that begins with Steven and ends with you. That's what I think we are
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Yeah, all right. Are we ready for this? Yeah, go on go on
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Apple will I said ship but really it's announced or not. There's a new major Mac app built on catalyst
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This is what the clarification was. It's something that is in the default doc of Mac OS
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I want to make a secondary clarification here. Do you?
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default dock as of when? a clean install. clean install of 10.16. yep of 10.16. the new version
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of macos. okay that's interesting because i would have thought we would do it as of now
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because the risky part to me is apple takes a current app and makes it catalyst. well i mean
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Creating a new app that's Catalyst doesn't feel so risky to me.
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But can they... do they even want to create new Mac apps that don't already exist?
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Like is there anything left to create on the Mac?
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Well no it's not... it's not that it is a new app.
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Well... okay there's one actually that they could...
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I mean there's an obvious one. It could be shortcuts.
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Right. This is what I was thinking. If they ship shortcuts and it comes in the dock...
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Ah... it's kind of obvious isn't it?
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that doesn't feel as risky. The risk to me...
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Feels like you take something that exists, turn it to catalyst.
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And messages would be the one that we would expect that would happen to.
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Messages would be the one.
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And then that would do it.
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Yeah, but with shortcuts being in the dock anyway though.
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I don't know, maybe.
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I don't know. Automator is not in the dock.
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It comes pre-installed on iPhones.
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It was pre-installed on the iPhone,
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but it's not in the dock, obviously.
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- So what's in the dock in a new Catalina install
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is Finder, Launchpad, Launchpad.
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- Launchpad's catalyst, there we go, nailed it.
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- That is Launchpad.
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- Yeah, Safari.
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- Also called the home screen, by the way.
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So Finder, Launchpad, Safari, Mail, FaceTime, Messages,
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maps, photos, contacts, calendar, reminders, notes, music, podcast, TV, news, app store,
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system preferences. Of this, one of these is already Catalyst. Podcast is.
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I mean it has to be one of these, right, Steven? Come on.
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News is too, right?
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News is too, I think.
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News is too, I think.
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TV is not what it looks like it is, but it's not. What's that thing? Yeah.
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Yeah, it's based on the iTunes. So are we saying something? Here's what I think you were trying to
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get to. Say that they're, say Apple takes an app and it's new on the Mac, or they take something
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that's not in the Catalina dock, but they want to promote it. Oh, it's a Catalyst app, you should
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check this out. They could insert it into the dock in 10.16. So I think this is harder for me if we go
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based on the 10.15 doc.
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- And that's what I think we should do.
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- And if one of these apps I just named becomes Catalyst,
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is that what we wanna do?
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- That feels the riskiest of this selection.
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- So something in the default doc of Catalina.
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- Becomes a Catalyst version.
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- Becomes a Catalyst app.
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- And I think you'll be pretty good
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to get this with Messages, but at the same time.
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- Yeah, it's your safest bet.
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- Messages is like so out of,
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they've allowed it to get so out of date at this point that like it wouldn't surprise
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me if they went another year but I do feel like we need the the real riskiness of this
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pick is they take something and turn it catalyst and the reason it's risky is because that's
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not what they did with music and we all thought they would it's not what they did with TV
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either right like that is that was a surprise so that's why I think that it could count
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as risky because they have a history of surprising us.
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So here's a situation. Jason Snell? I'm gonna go with Snell. Says in the Relay Members Discord,
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it could be that something like Messages has catalyst pieces but not entirely catalyst.
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I feel like it's got to be entirely catalyst.
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So how do we judge that?
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By knowing it.
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By Apple saying it? Or by like we pay off Steve John Smith to it?
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cut it open? No, I mean, you know it when you see it. You have people like Steve Trattonsmith
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digging in and saying this is catalyst. Yeah, we need to know. It doesn't matter how we
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know, but we just need to feel confident. So like, I don't know if Steve would feel
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willing to do this, but we may need to ask for Steve's help to adjudicate something.
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We will have a technical adjudicator in the form of Steve Trattonsmith, a technical adjudicator.
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I don't want to volunteer anybody without their consent, but we'll ask for the technical
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- somebody out there will be able to provide us technical assistance if needed.
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So that's my pick.
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So I've reworded it, so the final reading.
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Something in the default dock of Catalina becomes a Catalyst app.
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You're not going to get this point.
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Myke, you're up.
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What's your Ricky pick?
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obvious man. Memoji gets updated to include face coverings. That's the pick. That's the pick.
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Risky picks in the time of coronavirus. Memoji with face masks. Because look, they might not
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want to do it because they don't want to remind people, right? But I think they will do it because
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they will want to help normalize it. This is my pick. And if anyone says it's not risky,
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these two agreed to it, so them's the rules. We agree to it because it hasn't been previously
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rumored by anybody. There's no artwork, right, that's been out there at this point? There's no
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artwork, there's nothing, there's the only precedent that we have is the emoji with the
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face mask, but that's a different thing. There's lots of emoji. And because there's the argument of
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they may not want to remind people of this entire situation even in Memoji but I do believe it's
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gonna happen. I do think it's kind of obvious that they're gonna do it so I that's why I said
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I feel like it's risky and obvious at the same time. Ultimately I do think it's risky and Myke
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deserves to mention this because he hasn't been rumored by anybody so. Yeah I've checked right
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now all they have is head coverings they don't have any face coverings. Which I do think they
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should have had anyway right because like this is very normal in certain parts of the world.
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But like this is that that this is that apple in California idea right like we don't see it
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around us although to be honest in California they've been wearing masks for a while anyway
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because of wildfires and stuff but I expect... By face coverings you mean face masks not other
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types of clothing? Could be a bandana, could be... Okay, bandana. That's why I just said face
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coverings. Face coverings, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, makes sense. I mean something that you can obviously
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trace back to the idea of wearing a face mask, basically. Yeah, yeah. Okay. This is one we'll
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know it when we see it, right? Like, it will be clear to us immediately if this is something
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that they're adding. I just wanna... I played in the rules here, right? Like, I know what
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I did. I've played in the rules. Like, I'm using the rules to my advantage. I know this...
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I have picked way riskier stuff than this. I know that your two picks are now riskier
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than mine, but the rules... I've played within the rules.
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You play within the rules.
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But you know me, I'm a man of the people
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and I love to please my people
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and to give them the Ricky, you know?
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- Oh, is that true?
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- It is true, it is true.
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People come here for the Ricky's
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and the Ricky's they shall get.
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So my Ricky pic is the following.
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The iPad will get a new development tool
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to write code on device that is not Swift Playgrounds.
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(Ricky groans)
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So there we go.
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a new iPad development tool to write code that is not Swift Playgrounds.
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Now I want to ask you a question.
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I'm not saying what it should be.
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I want to ask you a question.
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I'm not saying what it should be.
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Do you know something I don't?
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I do not know anything personally.
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Honestly, I don't know anything.
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I'm under no embargo.
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I'm under no NDA.
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No, not embargos.
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I know nothing.
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No, because if you were under an embargo, you wouldn't be picking this, right?
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I have not seen anything.
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Because I know for a fact that there have been picks you have made based on information
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Which again, that's in the rules.
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Like we don't have that as a rule, but like somebody said they heard, and I can trust
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this person, but like that's fine.
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That is information gathering, right?
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Like if you have something that you've heard from someone, I think that's perfectly fine
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to bring to the table and I know you've done that before right you've had a birdie who's
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given you a piece of information. I ain't got no birdie man I've just been at the beach
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and following along with the pokemon. Lots of birds at the beach, flattening around.
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Seagulls and stuff. Yeah I don't like seagulls I don't like them. Too big I like small birds
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only. Too big at the mouth and everything yeah I don't like them. So no I honestly haven't
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talk to anybody, I've seen no leaks. There's been some people on Twitter that mention this,
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but this is just based off my reasoning. And here's the reasoning. So we have Swift Playgrounds,
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and that's fine. Really fantastic tool for education, fantastic tool for anybody who's
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getting started with Swift. I do think, though, that it's time for Apple to offer, I don't
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want to say real, but a development tool that actually lets you write code that you can
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later turn into shipping products. Could be apps, could be little utilities, could be,
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you know, something more advanced than shortcuts, I don't know. What I'm just thinking of, I
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mean, obviously I'm thinking of Xcode, right? But I don't necessarily think that Apple wants
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to do what, I mean, I would love, obviously, if the full thing, the actual Xcode came to
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iPad. But I also think there's a possibility for something in the middle, right? For something
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that is not Swift Playgrounds, that is not also Xcode. But it could be something that
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lets you write apps and test them and use them and install them on device.
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Maybe it only works with Swift and SwiftUI and maybe it doesn't have an interface builder,
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it has something else completely, it has the native real-time SwiftUI preview for example.
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Something completely new that lets you write code on device that could be the perfect pitch
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for developers at WWDC, especially now that we have iPad Pros that can be used with an
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external keyboard that has a trackpad, that has a pointer, so that makes text
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selections, for example, when you're writing code even easier, you know, that
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kind of stuff. So I do think it's time for something else that is not Swift
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Playgrounds, could be Xcode, could be something entirely new. I've always
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thought that they would do some iPad tool as a Swift only thing to try and
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encourage Swift development. And that's what you're saying, right? But that would be interesting.
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There's all kinds of considerations as to, you know, maybe it could be Swift only, but
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can you really do that? Maybe if you do something in SwiftUI, it also needs to support UIKit.
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I don't want to get into the technical details of all of this, but basically the bigger idea
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that I have is that I do think it's time to build something on iPad for a new generation
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of coders, they have been training kids, starting from elementary school, to get accustomed
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to the idea of using an iPad as their computer. And then there's this weird discrepancy between,
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"Oh, you learn with an iPad, the iPad is a fantastic tool for getting all kinds of work
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done, and we have an iPad Pro now, oh, but when you actually want to make real apps,
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then you gotta buy a Mac." And I think it's time for Apple to address that limitation.
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And so something that is not Swift Playgrounds but lets you write code, could be Xcode, could
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be something entirely new, I do think it's time to see that kind of product on iPad.
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I mean we've been saying this for years.
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Like I remember sitting in a lobby in San Francisco WWDC saying that surely they're
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going to have some iPad focused development tool and everyone was
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agreeing that like yeah it was like a thing we were talking about like multiple
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years ago that this is something they need to do because it's like the sign of
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maturity in a platform right can you make apps on the thing for the thing
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like I think that's important and if you want to continue showing that the iPad
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as an important tool in professional work and professional use cases. It's just a great sign
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of that. Well, I do think the only precedent that we have for this pick would be that professional
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leaker John Prosser said a while back that Xcode would be coming to iOS and iPadOS 14. So there's
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a there's actually more precedent for this if you consider that tweet than Myke's risky pick. So
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I feel like I should mention this because it's out there, it's in the open, it's been reported by
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multiple websites, so we should say that that tweet was issued by Mr Prosser a while back.
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But I do think it's risky, I do think there's a bunch of reasons why it may not happen.
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The obvious one, the pandemic. I mean, this is a big project and maybe if things needed to be
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pushed back maybe this could have been one of them and yeah but I don't know I
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don't know yeah I don't think we've seen anything nearly enough to make me feel
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like this is happening if that makes sense right like you say like yes there
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have been people who have a track record like John Prosser and he's mentioned
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this but that doesn't feel like enough to say that this isn't risky and to
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clarify if stuff gets added to Swift Playgrounds that's not your pick your
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pick is a new tool yeah what if they okay what if they add new things and
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rebrand it that will be considered new if it's not called Swift Playgrounds
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anymore hmm I think that would qualify as being new cool just want to double
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check that because I could also see that happening right it would be strange
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because they do have Swift Playgrounds on the Mac as well now. So, I don't know, you know, just
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you can make a separate thing. But yeah, I mean, if they said, "Oh, we took Swift Playgrounds and
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rebranded it as, I don't know, Swift code or something," then I guess that would be considered new.
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Cool beans. So those are our picks. We need to get into our non-graded flexes next. This episode
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All right, the non-graded flexies. I think we just kind of just want to like everyone just go
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through all of them we that we have let's talk about it uh yeah yeah we may
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as well just go through the lists I don't think I don't think we could do
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around Robin because we don't have even numbers of things mm-hmm you know you're
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Robin would fly crooked you don't want that don't know okay non graded Apple
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says literally anything about the home pod just just literally literally
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anything literally anything just mentions the home pod yes it exists yeah
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Yep, just anything about the home pod
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Because I wonder if they'll have a new one
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Or if they've just given up because wasn't it originally announced at a WWDC
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It as a teaser at the very end. Yes. Yeah, I
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Mean, we've got to assume they haven't given up right already
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surely up next that
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The new iMac that is rumored is an Intel iMac not an ARM iMac. Yeah
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I think we can all agree on that one
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Lastly no Apple services bundle. I actually don't know if they're gonna talk about services at all
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But I don't think we're gonna see a bundle at WWDC. I
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Think it will come up services. Will you mean yeah, because I think they'll have Apple arcade game demos that show off new technologies
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Right. I can't imagine them having a game that many game demos now that don't have at least one Apple Arcade title in it
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That would surprise me
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I think I think I ended up getting a pick wrong at some point because they in the September event did have non Apple Arcade
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Game demos, so I think they'll still be a mix but I still think that they will also include those
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I also like something that Jason said about like they might want to increase the
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a free trial period on Apple TV Plus,
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and they could use this as an opportunity to do that,
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but it feels maybe more like September.
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I think something will get mentioned.
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I don't think we're gonna get the bundle now.
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Bundle, I believe, is still coming,
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but I don't think it's now.
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- Myke, what are your flexies?
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- I think the Arm Transition box will be a Mac Mini.
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I like the transition kit.
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- Yeah. - So I think it will be now.
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I feel pretty confident about that.
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I, so you remember earlier on,
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I said that I had a pick that I thought was kind of like your time of flight one.
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I think that there will be developer tools for having more control of a refresh
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rate of frame rate inside of applications.
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So some kind of API or something, and they'll be able to reference like, Hey,
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like promotion on the iPad,
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but it will allow for developers to do more potentially around frame rate stuff.
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I think maybe this will be for game developers that they will be able to take
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advantage of this in advance of the iPhone getting a higher refresh rate screen later
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on in the year.
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I also think there will be improved external display support for iPadOS.
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Ooh, I hope so.
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And a twofer with this is a new Apple display.
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I think there's going to be one.
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Especially if they release that iMac, I think there will be a new display.
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I worry how we're going to discover developer tools for having more control over refresh
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It doesn't matter, does it?
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If we don't find it, I don't care.
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It's a flexi.
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Like, it doesn't make a difference.
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But I just think it could end up being in the Metal API or something.
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I have a bunch of flexis.
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So the first one, kind of meta.
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My pick is about where the keynote will actually be held.
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And I have this theory that I've shared, I think, with John on App Stories at some point.
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Or maybe privately, I don't know.
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I think the keynote will be held outside, not inside the Steve Jobs Theater.
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I think it'll be held outside in the open, maybe on the stage that Apple usually uses
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at Apple Park for concerts.
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So I do think it'll be a better image...
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The rainbow one, right?
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I think it'll be a better image, especially right now, to show a socially distanced audience
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of Apple engineers in the open, you know, fresh air, sunny day and all that, instead
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of being closed indoors in a dark theater.
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I think it'll be a better image, I think it could be fun, because of course it'd be different
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and it's streamed online, so it will look like a live concert actually, but it's a developer
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presentation and it would have, I guess, the same mood, maybe sort of a Google I/O conference,
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which is held outside on a stage.
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So that would be my first flexi, that it's gonna be held outside instead of indoors.
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The other one, I think at least one major video game developer will be bringing their
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an exclusive title to Apple Arcade.
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We mentioned before how I stopped paying for Apple Arcade because I'm still waiting for
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that triple A or at least very high profile game to fund its way to the service and I
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think it would be a fun opportunity at WWDC to show Konami or Capcom or some other major
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video game developer EA, some other major video game developer that we all know say
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we're bringing this title exclusively to Apple Arcade and it's a big important high production
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type of video game. Next up, WatchOS 7, in addition to sleep-checking features, gains
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new mental health features. I think these were also previously rumored. I think it's
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a good time, 2020, for Apple to expand their suite of mental health features on WatchOS.
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They have the Breathe app, which of course is lovely, and Steven, you just had a very
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good article about it on 512, so that was a very good story. I think they should do
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more, I think they could do more in terms of, you know, managing your mental health
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with a watch, and perhaps even with the iPhone. Now, shortcuts, I want to mention shortcuts,
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couple of things for shortcuts. I want to believe that 2020 is the year that shortcuts
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gains folders. Six years after the launch of Workflow, December 2014, I want to believe
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that whenever iOS 14 will come out, October 2020, I don't know, but whenever that is,
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I want to believe that shortcuts finally gains folders. So really, it's an obvious one.
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And the other one would be that I would like to see a better integration with files in
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So right now Shortcuts is of course very limited if you want to access a file from the Files app
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without showing a document picker that you need to manually interact with. You're limited to storing those files in the
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Shortcuts subdirectory of iCloud Drive, and I think it's time for Shortcuts to gain the option to deal with any file or any folder
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programmatically, so without showing a UI from any location of the Files app.
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And related to this, I would love it if bookmarks, so the files feature that allows you to create a temporary bookmark to a specific file or location, which we've seen in apps like working copy and scriptable for example.
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example. It would be great if that feature was supported in third-party shortcuts as
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well, because right now bookmarks that you create in Scriptable or Working Copy or other
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apps you cannot use in Siri, you cannot use in Shortcuts Actions. So that limitation is
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kind of weird and it should be lifted. Two more things, this is again an obvious one,
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I would love it if you could lock your iPhone to portrait but still watch videos in landscape.
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I think Christian Selig, the developer of Apollo, recently released this kind of feature
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for the Reddit client Apollo, which is amazing, and I think it should be really a system feature.
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It's been requested by people for years now.
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Just let me use my iPhone in portrait, but when you detect that I'm playing a video,
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just play it in landscape, because it's, you know, if the video, of course, is the kind
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of video that you want to watch in landscape, I think it's kind of an obvious feature that
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needs to happen at some point. And finally, I'd love a new deep and open framework. This
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time it should be a notes framework for third-party developers. We have a reminders framework
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so developers can make third-party reminders clients that do things that the reminders
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app does not do. The reminders framework needs a lot of attention, hopefully gains new features
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in iOS 14 because third-party developers still cannot implement most of the features that
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they launched in Reminders last year, close parenthesis. I would love it if developers
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could make Notes clients as well. So third-party apps that use Notes from Apple as their database.
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I would love that so much. That would be really nice.
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If someone just made the Notes app but without the paper background, I mean, I'd buy that.
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Shut up and take my money basically.
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So those are my flexes.
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I think there's a lot of good stuff in here.
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It's going to be fun.
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I'm really excited about WWDC.
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We're not there.
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We're not getting to see people, but I'm really excited about what
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Apple could have up its sleeve.
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Yeah, me too.
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I'm starting to hate that it's actually happening on Monday.
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Real quick before we go, we are going to wrap up our anticipating WWDC.
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series. This actually was in the document I think last week and it got kicked. Anyways,
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these aren't predictions even though we just spent two hours doing that. These are just
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things we'd like to see. So we talked about various platforms and today we're going to talk
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about Apple's cloud services. And I think I was the one who suggested this. We're like,
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"Is there enough stuff here?" And then we realized, "Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of
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of stuff here to talk about. So I'll start with mine. Every year I want Apple
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to add family sharing to photos where my spouse or someone in my family could
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select albums or something in photos to share with me without having to do the
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shared photo stream or iCloud links where I could just have access to their
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their library or a subset of it just like Google Photos does. I think a lot of
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people want this. It's important that you have privacy controls and you
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understand what you're sharing, but I think this would be huge for a lot of
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people, a lot of families. Yeah, it seems like it's something that they could
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find a way to do. People will be happy if they did it. Like, it feels totally doable.
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My next one is better server-side rules for iCloud email. I use Gmail for my
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personal email because of server-side rules, and you can run mail on the Mac
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and just leave it open all the time, and it has pretty good mail rules, but a lot
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of people don't have Macs. A lot of people don't have Macs that are running
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all the time. And what you can do on iCloud.com is extremely basic. And I
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think they need to port what the Mac Mail app can do to the the server side
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of it. And that way you would have those rules automatically applied to all of
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your devices as mail comes in. More Dropbox like features in iCloud, mainly
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file request. So in Dropbox it has this feature where you can create a link and
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send it to somebody and it says hey please upload your files here you don't
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have to add them to a shared folder or anything. This is huge for those of us
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who share files all the time with people we don't normally work with. And then
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public links to downloads. So I'm sure we've done we've all done this too, right?
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You need to send somebody something, you put it in your Dropbox and you send them
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a link. These are basic features in file sharing platforms that iCloud should
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have. And then lastly is that in the root level of iCloud Drive you have folders
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for a bunch of apps. I would like all of those to be put into a single folder called apps. So when
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I open my cloud drive, I don't have to scan through 30 app folders to find my documents folder that
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all the app stuff is contained in one place. Again, you can do this on Dropbox, you can do this on
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other platforms. But it really jumps up the view of iCloud Drive and you're trying to find something
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and instead I got to sort through a bunch of pages and pixel mater and mind node and all these other
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folders. Would that one be that there would still be a folder called apps and inside that folder
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would be other apps? Yeah, yeah that's fine just get it out of the main view is what I'm asking.
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Sometimes you need to go into there but a lot of times you don't and so they I think the structure
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still has to be there but I don't think it has to populate the the main the root level. Yeah you see
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I just don't like the apps folder thing in general. I don't I don't either but that part of that is
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legacy. And yeah, I, I don't subscribe to the app first. And then the document model, which is the
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reason I don't do a ton of work on my iPad. But if you got to keep it, at least make it where those
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of us who want to use iCloud drive more like Dropbox can have a better experience. Okay, so
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mine are everything that's even said, plus, oh, we have real time follow up, guys, you can totally
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share a link to an iCloud file.
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They're doing it in the Discord right now.
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- That was useful.
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- I guess we can retract that.
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Thank you, kilesthegray.
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- Yeah, I mean, it's not,
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I mean, I think the last time I tried this,
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it's not the most elegant way to create the link.
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It's definitely not as easy
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as when you create a link with Dropbox.
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So maybe a simplification of that process would be nice.
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- Because it's, you know,
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And of course you don't get any of those advanced statistics
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that you get with Dropbox.
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I think you can see who accessed the file,
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you can see the activity, all that sort of information
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you do not get with iCloud Drive.
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- And this is kind of gross.
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I clicked the link and Mac OS said,
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"Do you want to open this?"
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And then it added a copy of it again to the root level
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of my iCloud Drive and then opened it in preview.
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- Yeah, it's really not well done.
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It's not as polished as Dropbox.
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So that is technically possible,
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but it would be so much better
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if it was a little more elegant, a little more polished.
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- So everything you said,
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plus some other additions that I have,
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for files, I would love it if you could easily
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see and restore deleted files from my cloud drive
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without having to go to the web app.
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- So, right, you can restore files
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that you may have accidentally deleted,
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but if you want to do that, you need to use iCloud.com,
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which I don't think it's the right approach.
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And also, there needs to be built-in system-wide versioning,
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so support for viewing versions of files.
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The versions API has been available
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for iCloud Drive for a long time.
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MindNode, IA Writer, I think these apps
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that work with iCloud Drive have supported versions
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for a long time now.
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However, the problem is that while the Finder
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has on the Mac as native support for versions.
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Any document based app on the Mac,
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I think you can, you know, there's a menu,
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you can click the document in the title bar
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and you can see versions with a native UI.
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It's provided by Apple.
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And I think the same UI should exist on iOS
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and iPadOS in files.
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It shouldn't be something that third-party developers
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need to support and to have like their own versions viewer.
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It should be a system control.
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It should be a system element.
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So view versions for files
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and easily restore deleted files.
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Then I have a bunch of random additions
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in terms of services.
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I mean, the bundle we mentioned before,
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I would love to see a bundle
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that includes all cloud services together.
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That would be one way for me
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to start paying for Apple Arcade again, I guess.
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It would be advantageous for me to do so.
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The next one is kind of odd, maybe.
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I would like to see Apple News integration in music.
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Let me explain.
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I don't like Apple News.
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I would like it more if there was music.
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I do like the idea, don't make fun of me.
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I do like the principle of the idea behind
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what Apple did a couple of years ago
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with business news in stocks.
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And I know that everybody makes fun of stocks
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for good reasons. However, the idea of "let's take very specific content and
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show you related articles and stories from the web by using our Apple News
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Engine". So imagine if an Apple Music, and this would be totally optional of course,
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but imagine if you could find music news and reviews for an album, maybe you want
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to learn more, maybe you want to read an interview with a band, and you could find
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that content may be hidden away in a section inside music that is however powered by Apple
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News. And of course it would be relevant, the music that you actually listen to, and
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I just think it would be a fun idea to have, you know, to extract some of that content
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from Apple News and apply it to Apple Music, to let you spend more time, of course, in
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Apple Music, and to let you find out more about your favorite artists and, again, read
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reviews and all that kind of stuff. Speaking of Apple Music, playlist collaboration, I
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think it's kind of very strange that this hasn't happened yet. It's been a feature in
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Spotify for, I want to say, since the beginning of Spotify maybe, like you've been able to
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collaborate on playlists for, with other people for a long time. And right now you cannot
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have a collaborative playlist in Apple Music. You can create the playlist and share it with
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others, but other people cannot put songs into the playlist. So, collaborative playlists for Apple
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Music. More diverse content in Apple Arcade, I keep mentioning this, I'm kind of tired of
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family-friendly puzzle games and platformers, you know, like 2D or 2.5D platformers.
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There are so many of those games on Apple Arcade and I would like to see more diverse,
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you know, immature or maybe just different kinds of games on Apple Arcade.
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I think diversification would be very good there.
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And the last one, again, speaking of shortcuts and Apple Music,
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and a proper Apple Music API integration in shortcuts.
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I shouldn't have to use, as much as I love the app,
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but I shouldn't have to use Toolbox Pro to have integration with the Apple Music online API in shortcuts.
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So let me look up any song or any artist or any album from the Apple Music Online catalog.
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Let me find songs and queue them for playback on iOS using shortcuts.
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Let me rate and love songs.
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Let me fetch the lyrics of a song.
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You know, all that kind of stuff.
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You could say deep and open integration with the Apple Music API.
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I wouldn't mind, you know, but that sort of integration with shortcuts would be very nice.
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Alright, my list is in-app purchases shared across family plans.
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Okay, yeah, I totally agree.
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Home screen syncing across iOS and iPadOS devices.
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Obviously I know this is a feature in tvOS because I'm the tvOS guy after all.
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Also I wrote it in the document.
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No, I knew it anyway.
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You didn't need to tell me.
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Steven, colon, tvOS already has this.
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I already knew it.
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You didn't need to tell me.
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didn't write in a document doesn't mean I didn't know it. I knew it. It's one of the
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reasons that made me think of this thing. It's like, oh yeah, tvOS has that. So I would
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like it if I have two iPads. I would like it if their home screen synced. It would be
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great because then I wouldn't have to do manual management of it. I would like revised storage
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options with more space for less money because that's just something they should always be
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doing. Better iCloud backups. I want everything stored. I want to make new device switching
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easier so like I don't ever have to put passwords into anything. Just maybe make a snapshot,
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keep it that one time as soon as I've installed the new device, delete it. I don't care what you
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have to do, just make it better. Always make that better. New devices, it should always be better to
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make that transfer. And like even content, right? Like I don't want to have to re-download all my
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music and all my podcasts and third-party apps again. Like the phone knows what I have on it,
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like allow me to do something to help that transition.
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I would really like appreciate that. I don't know how you could do it.
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I don't know if I maybe need to connect devices by a cable.
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I don't care what it is like, but because it's that one time thing, right?
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You get a new iPhone rather than spending multiple days setting it up
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or realizing like days later that, oh, no, I don't have this thing set up
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the way that it was set up before.
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Like making that one time transition better would be amazing.
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um and funnily enough in my uh thing here is third-party notes app using the notes app database
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and syncing hooray so great minds think alike so we're done i think so that's that's all that's
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love the roundups y'all do of like everything you need to know about fill
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