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     Hello and welcome to Connected episode 303. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's made possible by our sponsors, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined by Myke Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Hey buddy, are you good? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh yeah. - Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, you just said hi. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't know I had to say anything else. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     for you to welcome back our beloved friend. And now I'm here to welcome back our beloved 
     
     
  
 
 
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     friend, Mr. Federico Vittucci. Hello, I am beloved friend and I am back on the show, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so thank you. It's good to be back. I mean, I didn't want to leave you talking about Apple, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Silicon Macs for like multiple weeks. Just one episode is enough. So, you got that out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of your system. Are you okay now? Are you cool now, Steven? For now. For now. When I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get one in the office which is going to talk about for weeks. Yep. That is gonna be fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm very excited about that genuinely. Like, for different reasons. Like, I'm excited about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it because I'm really intrigued to see what it's like to run an iOS app on a Mac. Plus, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there are genuinely applications that I would like to run, like Timery, because nothing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     else is good for time tracking on my Mac and I will like that but then I'll get into like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a weird mode where my iMac can't do it but my laptop can do it and it's gonna be a whole 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I wonder if you're gonna have a real situation where you think I should just work on a Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all the time. I have all my apps here. Google Docs works better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will say to you I have had that thought but I don't think it's gonna happen but I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have had that thought. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's going to be an exciting time later this year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The fact that I do not, as I've expressed to you I believe on this show last week, that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do not like the traditional desktop window interface, I think that that will continue 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to keep me going back to iPadOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's too messy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Windows are too messy. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I think about everyone else on the planet would say that sent us in the other direction. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I know they would. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The only thing I like about the Mac at this point, I mean besides, you know, like, well, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Certainly. - Or the battery goes bang of a bang. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Certain, no, that's like a single thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I really appreciate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a bunch of other niceties like the terminal 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and like running stuff like Homebridge, for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like that's super cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But what I really like, what I realized recently 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I really like is the menu bar. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I generally like the menu bar, like as an idea, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like as a concept, like having this little thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with multiple icons and each icon opens a menu. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - You know what I like about the menu bar? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that if there's something I believe an app can do, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I don't know how to do it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's a place where everything is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what I like about the menu bar. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's a good point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I don't think they're making that podcast anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Yeah, but I'm talking about the... 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Thanks, Dan. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The help thing is a big part of that, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you could just type what you want in the help field 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it will highlight in the menus. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - That's really cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's all very nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I like that stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So yeah, a menu bar on iPad would be interesting, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm pretty sure that, who was it that did a concept 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a few months ago, maybe? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh, one of the 50 people that made it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, but I'm talking about one in particular. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, I'm talking about like a-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Steven Spicy today. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I don't know why, like I live for a week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What have you done to Steven, Myke? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do anything. It was your absence that did this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, Steve, that's so... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I missed you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, Kyle in the chat room has given us his concept shows how Apple could implement a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     main menu for iPad OS apps. Is that it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I thought that was too complex, that one. I remembered that one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is the Windows Start menu. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     No, no, that was not... Maybe it was Vidit, one of the developers of Lookup, the dictionary 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Vidit is my favorite concept person. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That it always does the things that I think are closest to being likely. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, because it's very pragmatic, it's obviously good taste. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, if you've ever used Lookup, it's absolutely beautiful. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And his concepts are straight to the point, no... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like this start menu, it looks super fancy, it looks fancier than it should be, really. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or too much in that you've gone too far, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The best concepts are the ones that just go a step further rather than 20 steps further. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So anyway, there was a concept of a menu bar for an iPad and I thought, you know, it could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh yeah, I remember now, Vidit imagined an expanded status bar on an iPad, so it was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just slightly thicker than it is right now, and the thicker status bar could be used to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     manage split view. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you would have like, in his concept he had like a split view icon and you could use 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that to manage multitasking and I thought that was really interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, anyway, I don't even know what we're talking about the menu bar. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's probably my fault. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You just loved it, that you just thought it was great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As usual, I'm sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We were doing some kind of introduction, I believe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're getting ready to move to follow-ups, let's talk about follow-up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The public iOS 14 beta is out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I are both running it now on our phones. Actually I'm on the, you're on the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dev beta, you're on the Dave beta. Oh I forgot about that. Yeah I'm on Dave beta. Yeah. And you're on what, Paul beta? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like what would be public? Mmm yeah Dave and Paul. I'm on the Paul beta. Dave and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Paul. And it, I really like it. Myke you spoke about this on Monday's upgrade. I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     spoke about it on more power users that comes out on Sunday. So we've talked 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about this other places, but I would just say that I think the ideas for the phone in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     particular are really good. I like widgets, I like the app library. We're going to talk 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the app library later in this episode, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have thoughts about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a whole two-page manifesto written by Federico in our Google Doc. And it's been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really stable for me. I haven't had any issues. I know there's always issues with bank apps 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and certain types of things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My bank app works even though they told me it wouldn't work until August but it works 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     They told you you were like Mr. Hacker because you were like... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was jailbreaking and how dare I. But it started working. They did an update like today 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it started working already so they fixed it sooner than they said they would. Which 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I want to draw attention to something that appeared in the Relay FM members Discord a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     few days ago which is a website called ismr.space which is made by Aiden Nagel who over the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     last three days I think has listened to 25 episodes of connected to pull out every instance 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where Steven does his famed ASMR. ASMR. Yes like those and if you do you remember the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke Oracle website where people pulled out the clips of me when I was sick. Of course. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's that that one I think may have been like part of the inspiration for this and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     basically there's just a button which just says "Whisper" and every time you press it you hear 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a different ismr thing. My voice kind of trembled there a little bit because I pressed it and heard 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Pokemon" and it threw me off. Because that "Pokemon" one, there's one where you say "Pokemon" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that's the one that for some reason like it just it embeds itself in my brain the most. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Also let's talk about the purple photo that was used for Steven on this webpage. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's lots of them. They cycle through. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, they cycle. Because the one that I'm looking at right now is the glorious mustache Steven 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from a few months ago. Really the best look you've ever had. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are you back with the mustache again? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Nah, I'm growing the beard out so it's kind of all the same length now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Ah, the mustache was better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was. You really... I don't know a lot of people that could pull off a mustache but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you managed to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, yes, I agree. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But there you go, go to ismr.space and you can get ismh asmr whenever you want it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Whenever you want it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, no! Don't say things like that! Don't do that! No, no! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Look, he's got to expand his repertoire, alright? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Steven, have you ever heard of OnlyFans? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     There you go, Federico has it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, you should look into that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You should get an Onlyfans. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Could be the next perk, Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, who needs membership? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You get an Onlyfans, then you can make the money. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You have an Onlyfans, Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Can I sign up for it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, go for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You could charge some serious money there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I mean you can have multiple tiers. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Members only content. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Members only. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, yes exactly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You keep taking the worst things to say! 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     We have some really exciting news. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, we do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You wanna explain this? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We have an arly pants now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     A few years ago, what was it, 2016? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We were just before WWDC, discussing, like shaking up the artwork for this show a little 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Connected was one of the original five Relay FM shows and then over the years, whilst our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     artwork still has a kind of consistency. The actual artwork for all of the shows became 
     
     
  
 
 
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     more complicated over time, like more complex in a good way. Like there was more texture added, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     more layers, more depth. And we kind of, you know, we had, we started off with a very strict 
     
     
  
 
 
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     guideline created by the wonderful Simon, who's our incredible designer. And, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But then over time, we kind of, as is usual, you kind of stretch out a little bit from where you start off, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Things develop and adapt. And before 2016, we were thinking like, "Oh, maybe it's time to mix up our artwork," right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which has been, for the last nearly six years, the six-color globe with a white background. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And there are lines that go around the globe, which are like, I guess could signify planes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and in case you don't know, it's a fun fact, the three lines cross over each other where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we all live. There is also the original version, was it Iceland that got omitted from the original 
     
     
  
 
 
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     version? Was it Iceland? Greenland, maybe. Was it Greenland? Okay, yeah, Greenland was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     left out which is just kind of like an accident but a fun thing that happened, Greenland. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, before WWDC that year, we were talking about changing it up, and then the show got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     featured in the WWDC keynote, and we kind of could not do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I have a picture on my wall here of Tim Cook standing in front of a massive version 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the connected artwork, which is physically bigger than him. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we were like, "Well, we can't change it now." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Then over WWDC week we were featured in the Apple Podcasts directory and they used a version 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of our artwork where it was the globe in its colours with a six colour background behind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it and people were like "Oh that's amazing! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Where did that come from? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Did Apple make that?" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That kind of stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing is that artwork is five years old. When Relay FM was founded, we were very lucky to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get some featuring from Apple in the Apple Podcasts directory when we began. And when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you work with Apple, and anybody can do this now with the Podcast Connect thing that they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have, but I don't think you could at the time, you can submit your own promotional artwork 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for consideration if Apple was to feature you. So they had some guidelines and we did 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that. In the run up to WWDC it was a similar thing. We were working with a person there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when we arranged for our interviews to be set up and they asked for some promotional 
     
     
  
 
 
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     artwork and because the timelines were quite tight I just thought I'll just give them the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one that we already have not thinking that they would use it but I also really liked 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's also missing Greenland by the way. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Apple's used. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sorry Greenland! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In our defence, Apple didn't check either. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well they use Apple Maps, how could they know? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, also Apple believes in the conspiracy that Greenland does not exist. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But this is also proof of the fact that this artwork is five years old, because it was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     created when our original set of artwork was created. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we had a lot of people being like "Oh that looks so cool, looks so different!" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And what this is, in my opinion, is like the proof of the fact that fashion style is cyclical. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because that looked cool like five years ago and then we kind of left it and now it's become 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So basically this is a very long way of saying that we have out updated the connected artwork. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you look in your podcast app, as long as it's one that supports chapter artwork, you'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     see it and then it will be changing over the next week or so because different applications 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cache artwork. But over the next week or so you'll see a new version of the connected 
     
     
  
 
 
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     artwork which still keeps a lot of its original design but now instead of the white background 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we have a rainbow background and we've added more glow to it. Honestly we've skewed more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and faster the connected artwork. It's 3D! It's 3D! It's curvy! This is what I'm saying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about taste, right? Like, we have the flat version of the artwork and we had this 3D 
     
     
  
 
 
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     version of the artwork and we decided to go with the flat version because that was the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing you did in 2014. But now, here in the heady days of 2020, we're all going back to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     texture again. So now the connected artwork, as they're saying in the chat, has been big 
     
     
  
 
 
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     surr- how would you say it, Federico? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It has been big surrified. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There we go, it's been big-surfied. Thank you very much. So yeah, that's where we are. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We, you know, we had considered, when we're back in 2016, we had considered like completely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rethinking the design. But I'm really happy with where we are now because it's still very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     much the show, but is more, is more modern. So I mean, there you go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, we can do flat, we can do curvy, we can do whatever you want. We can, we can change 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it every... we can change it every other week if we want to. We don't care, but we've decided 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that we're gonna keep the 3D one. So the idea was it's like the globe is a glass ball kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of so that the stripes get refracted as they go through them. It's a lot of fun. Really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happy with it. Yep. Someone was very upset with the fact that in an earlier version of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the artwork some of the globe lines, colors lined up with the lines in the background. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yep. Yeah, and that got changed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It got changed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven you like video games, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're fine you do like Lego though 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     There is absolutely no reason for us to talk about this other than the fact that I want to talk about this and otherwise won't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Get to talk about it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anyway, Lego is making a Super Mario Nintendo Entertainment System set and it's absolutely incredible 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm gonna buy it so fast when it becomes available. Mm-hmm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mm hmm. Doesn't it look cool? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It looks very, very good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And there's a crank to play the game on the Lego TV. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, it's Playdate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, they copied the crank. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They copied the crank. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now everyone's doing cranks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah. Cranks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it looks amazing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am going to Wyatt. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's coming out in August and I'm going to build it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it will take pride of place in my studio, I think, as a display thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's super cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, they've gone, I saw somebody say this on Twitter and it's so true, they've really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gone way further with this than they needed to, because they have the TV too with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little crank on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, they could have just made the NES and it would have been more than enough. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Would have been fine because the NES has some actual details like the controller that actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     connects to the console and like the cartridges and like, that would have been fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you push the cartridge down and it looks like it has a spring effect to it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, but they also made the TV which is just incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then also if you get one of the new Lego Mario sets which has the Mario in it with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a little CD and the speaker, if you put it on top of the TV and do the crank it will 
     
     
  
 
 
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     play the appropriate sound effects for where the Mario is in the little scene that you're 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Like super great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like super great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     2,600 pieces, $230 or something, which is a pretty decent brick to dollar ratio. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can't judge, I mean I've got LEGO sets all over my office that cost as much or more. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's really cool and I like that it's interactive. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really want to hear how this goes and how you feel about it when you get it in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, it's not available to buy yet, but as soon as it is I will be placed in an order. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm super into this. This is like they have found like the real sweet spot for me with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a set like this. It's really cool because like the Lego stuff, the, the, the, the, sorry, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Lego Mario stuff that they're doing looks cool. But I was a bit like, ah, I was kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of hoping for something a little bit more model than play set. And they've done exactly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that now. Right? Like when, when, when it was like, Oh, Lego and Mario were doing something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     together. I just wanted to build like pretty much exactly what they've given me. Right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I wanted to just make like a classic Mario like scene, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But instead they've built this like playset thing, which is, which is fine, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's, it's not what I wanted, but this NES is like, yes, perfect. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Bravo Nintendo. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like this is great licensing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iOS 13.6, is that it? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's been released today. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Wild, in a way, that there's still releases going while the beta is going for the other 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     especially because there's new features being added to iOS at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Today's release basically has a bunch of stuff for Apple News in it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a couple of different features. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One is audio stories, where Apple's going to collect up some stories from large publishers, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have them professionally read, edited, and you'll be able to listen to them instead of reading them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The other is something which is coming to Apple News and also Apple Podcast. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's called Apple News Today. Apple's getting into the Daily News Podcast world, which is really interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I need to think more about this because this has only come out today. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We knew that there were going to be the audio stories thing, but the Daily News Podcast that came out, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was a bit of a surprise to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I want to think about this a little bit more, about what this could mean, maybe what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple's motivations are for doing this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, this is something that will exist from now, I believe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's a daily 10 minute news podcast from Apple. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And they've got a couple of hosts who they're naming, which is interesting, Sumita Bezu 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and Duarte Gildino. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is, you know, it's in the past, I think there's been criticism of Apple that they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     haven't been very good at giving credit for the people that produce their stuff, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like the App Store editorial team are not named, the Apple Music editors are not named. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And of course, Duarte and Shimitar are hosts of a show, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's like a little bit trickier. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I'm very pleased that it's not like, "Hey, we're the Apple News Today team and we're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know what I mean? Which they could have just done that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They were not supposed to tell you our names. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But you could imagine a world in which they did it that way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, I liked seeing that Serenity Coldwell was named. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     She had a personality during the WWDC stuff, which didn't just live in a developer app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was on YouTube and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, this is really interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm keen to understand what is the breadth of this? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are they just going to be talking or citing sources that are in Apple News? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is it just going to be US only kind of content? Will they bring this stuff out to other regions? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe have like a European news team? Like this is yeah there's a lot to think about with this, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but of course the reason it's in the show today is because this finally secures Steven with one of his 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yearly picks. That's right the year of Steven continues. It's not the year of Steven. We are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     currently tied. Also I'm not sure I want to claim 2020 as the year of Steven honestly. Yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually you know what? You have it. 2020 is your year baby. No! Yeah, so this is interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a lot to unpack here I think. So I was just playing around with the audio player for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Apple news stories as we were doing the pre-show for current cut pro and it's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's basically the Apple podcast player with a different background and it lives inside 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the news app on 13.6. This is not available in the iOS 14 beta yet, so we have a bit of a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     discrepancy there at the moment between the different releases. But there's a new audio 
     
     
  
 
 
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     page. It's in the bottom top bar inside news on the iPhone and the player is fine and in a nice 
     
     
  
 
 
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     touch, you can, while you're listening to a story, you can long press and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     context menu will give you an option to read the original story instead. So if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're listening and you feel like "I actually want to read this one", you can jump to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that, to the text version of the story very quickly, so that's nice. But there's, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, we knew this was coming 9 to 5 Mac had the screenshots for this feature 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before, it's exactly what you expect. And there's a selection of articles, like I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     looking right now in news, I have it on my backup phone. And you have stories from all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the usual suspects. So Popular Mechanics, Wired, Vogue, Bloomberg, Businessweek. Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All of the usual suspects that are left, I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Those that are left, of course. There's actually multiple articles from Bloomberg Businessweek 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and some other like a bunch of like Men's Health and what's this one, Runner's World, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so a bunch of fitness publications as well and Wired. So it's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Here's a question. Do you think they would ever read a story that involves Apple? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah I was thinking about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     From Bloomberg Businessweek. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, what are the... like, what does the selection of these stories look like from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     an editorial standpoint? And honestly, I don't know. I think we've talked about this before 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the context of the Apple News Digest, that is an existing feature of Apple News. And 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I believe that they do cover Apple in the digest section. So yeah, I'm not sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think they're... Now, though, reading them would be slightly awkward. I don't know. I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     honestly don't know. So I guess we'll see what this is going to be like. And I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm still not paying for Apple News Plus. So I really don't know if like all these stories 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will be available to me. I noticed that as soon as I reopened the app, it says "Listen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     only in Apple News Plus" and there's a big promo box in the middle of the page that says 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Get Started" and when I reopened the app a splash screen came up as well telling me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to subscribe. But I can listen to the intro post for free News Plus audio at the top of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, the hosts both seem to have come from WNYC. I believe they were both a part of a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a show there called The Takeaway, which was a daily national public radio program. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I was just like, they're both on Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I was just kind of like looking at, looking at, looking them up right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it seems that's where they both came from. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So professionals in this industry, like Apple hasn't brought some people from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     inside of Apple to do this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like they've hired from outside people that do this stuff that read news and have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been doing it for some time, it looks like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, I'm intrigued to see how that one shakes out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can I tell you about some of the other changes in 13.6? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, please. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I have the release notes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So digital car keys are actually available in 13.6. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No need to wait for iOS 14. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's not an iOS 14 feature then? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, just like the new symptoms in the health app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they mentioned at WWDC, like new symptoms 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for cycle tracking, I believe, and the new ECG integration 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That's available in 13.6, even though Apple mentioned those 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as iOS 14 features, but those are actually here today. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so now you can log symptoms like fever, chills, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sore throat, and coughing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So those are available in health. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And car keys, you can share them with iCloud. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can share a digital key over iMessage, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just like Apple showed the WWDC in 14, but that's available in 13.6. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you can have multiple profiles for multiple drivers, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you can have restrictions. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if you want to make sure that your teenager kid does not drive 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over a certain distance, I believe you can do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's pretty cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That stuff is really cool, by the way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's very cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We haven't spoken about it, but all of those features around that car-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:56
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     when I first heard about that car key thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was kind of like, "Ah, this is going to be like Snoozetown." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But when they were announcing the features, it was kind of like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Yeah, you know what? That stuff sounds really good." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's very clever because you have that family sharing integration 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that absolutely makes sense if you're a parent. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And obviously you have maps integration and you can share over iMessage. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's really well done. I think it's really well done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Too bad it's limited to a specific BMW model. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For now, obviously. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For now. We're actually looking into renting that car this summer because we want to write 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about it. So, which one of you is going to drive around? John is looking into the BMW. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh my God. That's genius. That's very funny. Yes. We're looking into that. Also, let me tell you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about some of my favorite bug fixes in 13.6 because there's some really fascinating stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For example, a fix is an issue that causes some phone calls from, and I'm going to try 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my best here. I can do this for you if you need, but try it. Saskatchewan? Yeah, you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:15
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     got it. Saskatchewan. Yeah. Saskatchewan? To appear as originating from the United States. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now I believe that Saskatchewan is in Canada. Is it in Canada? Yes. Really? Wow. Look at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:29
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     me. I know geography. Yeah. No, you don't. I listened to one of your many podcasts where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:34
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     you were very clear about not knowing geography. Why do you need to mention that? What else? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:43
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     Let's see. There's really nothing else exciting. I just thought that the Saskatchewan one was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really exciting because it's called Saskatchewan. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:51
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     Well, it also fixes an issue that could cause Japanese hardware keyboards to be incorrectly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mapped as a US keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Is there a US-focused bug issue here, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thanks, California. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Well, I mean, to be fair, America's got more bugs than anybody right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh my God. What did you do today? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:13
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:15
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     You're very, very on the comedy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:17
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     No, I do know. I slept in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:19
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     I got more sleep than I do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Ah, there you go. It made you punchy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:22
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     You're like live shows, Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:23
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     You know what you need? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:25
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     To relax, listen to some ASMR, and chill, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:29
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     and then come back and do the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:31
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     Podcast and chill. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:31:35
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     I think all the Apple news stuff is really cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm glad they're jumping into the daily podcast move. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm glad Iowa's 13.6 is here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:45
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     Good breaking news segment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:46
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     - I still remain skeptical in the same way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I was skeptical when Apple first announced 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:53
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     that news initiative that I don't remember 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:55
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     what happened with. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:56
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     Remember when they, I think they were pledging money 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:58
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     - Yes, save journalism. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:01
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     - There is still a part of me that is like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know how I feel about technology companies, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:07
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     no matter who they are controlling the news that people see. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:12
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     And this is an element of them hand picking the news stories 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they want to promote. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:19
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     And it's coming from Apple. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:22
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     Now this could be good, this could be bad, I don't know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:25
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     but it's still a thing that is happening, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like this is not algorithmically generated, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:31
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     like there are editors, they are picking this stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:34
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     and then they are filtering it through their own voices in some instances 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:39
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     and delivering it back to you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:41
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     And I still feel that it is healthy to pause about that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just to remember this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:50
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     So yeah, I still am keeping what I consider 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:54
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     to be a healthy level of skepticism about this for now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:59
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     - I don't disagree. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:00
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     I think you make a really good point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:03
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     It's a bias view and like there is nothing wrong with bias. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:07
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     Like we all have bias, right? Like I think people that said they don't have bias, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:11
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     uh, I, I, I question that. Um, maybe that's a bias that I have, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:17
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     but like we will have our biases. Uh, but yeah, it's like, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:22
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     in the same way that you should always think of the fact that whenever we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:26
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     talking about stuff, we come from a bias of being fans of Apple products, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:31
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     Like, that's an important thing that you need to know about this show before you start listening 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:37
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     But we do still question it like I am right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:40
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     Anyway, this is a spider's web to get caught up in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:43
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     But it's still just something that I want to mention, I think, whenever I see stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:47
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     like this about Apple and their news initiatives. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:50
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     Yeah, I mean, I totally relate to this argument. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I come from a country where, for many years, the Prime Minister was also the owner 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of a major TV network. So, you know. You say like, how could it be legal? But the person 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:07
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     who's setting the laws. Well, you know, so, you know, I get it. It can be, it's an awkward 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:14
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     position. I mean, this is obviously different. Apple is no political party, but you got that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:19
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     conflict of interest going on maybe to an extent. And you got to consider that when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:23
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     you consume your news from, from Apple news. And I know that they have like, they mentioned, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:29
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     I believe years ago, that they have like, like it's a separate entity of sorts with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:34
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     like an editorial board. And this is, I believe they had something years ago in the New York 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:42
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     Times, like there was a story that detailed the structure of the Apple News journalistic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:48
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     team. So maybe somebody can find it. But yeah, I mean, it's always like right there in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     back of your mind like, "Yeah, isn't it kind of weird though that they're doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:58
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     this?" And to an extent I think it is. Just like it would be strange if like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:03
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     Facebook did it or Google did it, like these giant corporations that wield such 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:08
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     a terrific amount of power, both, you know, culturally and financially, that they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:15
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     want to do... And politically. And politically that they want to do journalism just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:20
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     because they can just because like journalism is a feature of their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:23
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     products it can be a little weird you know maybe you just keep that in mind I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:29
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     think it is very clear that Apple as a company wants to do everything now right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:37
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     like like many other technology companies many before this yeah but like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:42
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     before them right you like your Amazon's and Google's were doing this before and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:47
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     ►  
     now Apple are kind of in this space of like if there's a thing we can do we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:52
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     ►  
     gonna do it and there's good and bad in that but they are definitely in that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:59
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     Wally by and large like mentality right you're everything from Apple they'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and all of Relay FM. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had some rough times with Apple Photos 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I just wanted to share it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in case listeners had a similar issue. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I have a lot of albums. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm a big believer in albums and photos. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's how I organize things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And as a person with many albums, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want them sorted alphabetically 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I can get to what I want to quickly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And they fall out of order sometimes in the Mac Photos app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like sometimes you open it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and there's not in the same order anymore, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you've always been able to right click on my albums 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the sidebar and re-sort them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can sort them by date or by name, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think some other things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I sorted them by name. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The problem I was having is that the order was out of sync 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on my iOS devices. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So my Mac would say they're in alphabetical order, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but on my phone and iPad, they weren't. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the iPhone and iPad were in the same order. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that was also the order set on iCloud.com 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because you can log into iCloud.com 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and see your photo library. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now on iCloud's website, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's no mechanism to deal with this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's no sorting there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I thought, well, if I could sort them on the iCloud website, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe that'll like jumpstart the sync on the iOS devices. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And everything else was still working. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was still getting photos. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Things were still going the right places. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was just the order of the albums that was wrong. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I couldn't do anything on iCloud.com to fix this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I was getting ready to do the terrible thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of like signing out of iCloud Photos 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then signing back in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then I thought, well, I could rebuild the library. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe that would fix it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you do that by starting Photos, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     holding down, I think, Command and Option, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it rebuilds the library 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and makes sure everything's in sync. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That took a little while, I've got over 50,000 items 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in my photos library, but it fixed the issue. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so now I can have everything synced 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the order I want it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that really was bugging me, especially on iOS 14, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because now the photo picker isn't just the old list 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that it used to be, now you have search 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you have albums in there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I really wanna be able to quickly go to an album 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and pull out a photo, and they were all out of order 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I can never find anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm psyched that this fixed it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not sure why rebuilding the photo library on the Mac did it, but it was enough, I guess, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to get it syncing again and now things are good. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Do you guys pick albums users? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Do you have any albums? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yes, but mostly because I don't know how to delete them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a selection of shared albums, but I don't count those. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But I have one album, which is my wedding photos, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and one album, which is the photo booth 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that we had at the wedding. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're the only two albums that I have. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And so you just search for anything else? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Search, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yes, I use search a lot, actually. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like search by, I really use search by location 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and by date, and often by those two things combined. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like beach, like the location of the beach, 2019. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I do that a lot actually, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I actually more just search by my own eye. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right, like I know roughly when the photo was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I'm looking for, and I just scroll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     until I know I'm around that area. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's kind of how I do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, for recent photos, like for photos 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the last like couple of months, I do that as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - But like the other day, for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was looking for a specific video 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of one of our dogs swimming at the beach, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I knew that it was last year, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I searched by location and time, and it just worked. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, that search has actually gotten quite, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't wanna say great, it's pretty good though. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not, I mean, the content stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     leaves a lot to be desired, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but if you just use those filters, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like date and time, location. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Do you still have to just search one word at a time? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, you can combine them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay. Could you remember when that was a thing? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was a thing and then they changed it last year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Last year they changed it with 13. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Tokenized searches. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How many things are in y'all's photo libraries? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How many items? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, I wanna say, let me, 14,000 maybe. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     No, actually 23,000. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Woof, I'm 12,800 photos, 523 videos. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Wow, so I'm way ahead of y'all. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Welcome to being a parent, I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But that's interesting, 'cause I find myself searching 
     
     
  
 
 
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     more than I used to, but I have trouble letting go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the album. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then scrolling through here, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's probably 100 of 'em, 150 of 'em. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, I have a lot of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And photos-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - The problem is, when you're an album person, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can never get away from it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - That's kinda how I feel. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like I can't ever-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - When you stop. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I'm like in this methodology, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I can't move out of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like even just using favorites, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have like two pictures listed as favorites 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause even that feels too wishy-washy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So I used to make albums in iPhoto. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - And I got into that habit and I hated it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Where it was like I'm making them constantly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then when they moved from iPhoto to photos, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just stopped. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It gave me the like the excuse to stop. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I just stopped. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, and mine came from, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I used to have my photo library on Dropbox in subfolders 
     
     
  
 
 
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     based on topic. So like what kind of albums do you do, Steven? Like just for special occasions, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like do you actually organize everything? Like even just like random days that you spend at home? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I have a smart album that says "not in albums" and there's four photos in it right now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I need to file. So for instance, I'll just read some. I've got one for my daughter, so it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pictures of primarily her. I have... So by subject. Okay. It's all by subject. I have Apple Hardware, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which has 1800 pictures. Bikes and cars. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Wow. Bikes and cars? Yeah, yeah, bikes and cars. Interesting. Okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've got one for our old house, just like pictures of the house and house 
     
     
  
 
 
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     projects, one for the new house. So you don't do occasions like birthday 
     
     
  
 
 
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     parties and like Thanksgiving or something? Like, each 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kid has their album and then an album for all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of their birthdays. So it's all like, you know, nine of my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     daughter's birthdays in one album. Interesting. And then, you know, like various trips, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one for relay FM live shows, so not an album for individual live shows, but they're all there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     together. Yeah. You know, on and on and on. I mean, they just, they never end. And you do this every 
     
     
  
 
 
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     day? Like, disorganization? I mean, every once in a while I just sit down and look at the smart album 
     
     
  
 
 
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     called Not in Albums and then I put them where they should go. Every photo goes in an album? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or it's deleted. Wow. Wow. Oh, I lied. By the way, I have one more album, which is... I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is very funny. I like to sometimes take pictures of Adina's face way too close. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like we're standing next to each other, I got my phone out and I just take a picture 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is just way too close and I have all of those photos in an album because it's hilarious 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to me to look at these pictures. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's a very good album. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yep, it's a cool close up. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Steven that's wild that you do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've got an album for 10 years of Instagram history so Instagram 2011, Instagram 2012, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Instagram 2013. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah. Hold on. I don't know. I don't understand that. So every photo you post on Instagram 
     
     
  
 
 
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     also goes to a fold to an album. Yeah. Photos up. Yeah. I guess. And how does that happen? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well manually the Instagram app, if you have it, save your photos, makes an Instagram album 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at the end of the year. I make an archive of all those posts for the year. And so at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the end of the year I'll make an Instagram 2020 album and put all the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Instagram 2020 images in there. I'm not saying this is like a weird thing to do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm sure many people do it I just wasn't expecting that. It's a lot of work it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not weird it's just a lot of work. Yeah it's a lot of work. I commend your patience 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah but I feel like I can quickly find things. Oh of course because they're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     organized in buckets that make sense to your brain yeah right way if you're like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want to find a car well you just go to bikes and cars that's right if I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     look at a at a Hurley bachelor party they're all in there together you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wait we've only been one oh so you do have events then some if it's like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     true one-off like yes it makes approach yeah find what becomes an album you just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     got to feel it. Right. You know it when you see it. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. And would you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say that you have more albums for people or objects in your life? I think it's a pretty 
     
     
  
 
 
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     solid mix between people, like types of object, and then events. So like, every fall we go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to this pumpkin patch and so I have one called pumpkin patch and it's you know five or six 
     
     
  
 
 
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     years of photos all at the same place so I can very quickly see like my kids get older 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every fall. So again it's hard to it's hard to judge where the line is but what if you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     had a birthday party at the pumpkin patch then what would you do? I think the birthday 
     
     
  
 
 
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     party would override the pumpkin patch. Right okay there's a hierarchy yeah. And I also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have a follow-up question. Does the dog have its own album? She does. Eva Korn dog is her 
     
     
  
 
 
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     own album. Perfect. Do you have albums for all of the animals or do some of them get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     grouped together? Well there's, oh like previous pets? Yeah. The previous pets I think are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mixed in other places. Is the album called "Previous Pets"? No, I don't. I'm saying I don't have a lot of pictures of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, okay. Also, I have another follow-up question. Do you have a photo album for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your enemies? I do. That is called "Max Stories". They're on there. Okay, perfect. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Fantastic, okay. Are there any unexpected albums in there? What do you mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, do you keep an album of photos which you would consider to be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     abnormal to what people would normally put in their photos? Kind of like bikes and cars. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean I have a bunch of photos of laptops and computers. There you go, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So do you have a computer pictures photo album? I have an Apple hardware 
     
     
  
 
 
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     album that has pictures of tons of Macs and then I have a non Apple Hardware 
     
     
  
 
 
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     album that is a bunch of other stuff. Is it possible for you to find out which 
     
     
  
 
 
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     albums you have the most photos in? I bet you can make a serious shortcut for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I want to know how highly the Apple Photos stacks. It's high. And like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which one of your children you have more pictures of laptops. Maybe I can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     eyeball that so Apple hardware has 1742. You have more pictures of Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hardware than I do of my wedding. Yeah oh yeah our daughter only has 1022 
     
     
  
 
 
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     photos. Stevens is a marriage for life with old Apple hardware. So you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have more pictures of Apple computers than your middle child? Yeah, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     definitely the youngest child, because he has the fewest, because he's lived the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shortest. Look, it's not weird, alright? It's his passion. It's his hobby. So... Do you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have a photo album of Mary? Of course. Do you have more pictures of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     computers than Mary? I don't feel like I have to answer that. That's a yes, Dan. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really want to see the previous Pat's album. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's not like I'm obsessed with that album. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I need to see it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I could go through and find all the pictures 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of Mary's old cat and put him in there, I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was a troublesome cat. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, he was not good. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     There we go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Who would've thought? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We learned something new about you, Steven, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in detail also. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So thank you for bringing this to our attention. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I found it interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     neither of you asked if I had albums of you. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     - There's a mic album. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - There's no Federico album. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - You're mostly confined to the WWDC album. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I was gonna say, to be fair, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do see Steven in places other than just events. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I mean, he's seen me a bunch of times 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and he's taken a bunch of pictures of me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't even get my own album, wow. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Do you have a Federico face in your faces library? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yes, I do. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     He has a face and he just couldn't be bothered to set up an album for me, but he does have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bikes and cars and previous pets. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The face is unnamed, like the phoners just realized there's a person and it's just like 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Just the Italian flag emoji. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:41
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     Yeah, actually, am I in the enemies album, Steven? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, it's just Jon. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, as it should be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, well, after this disappointing revelation, I feel like we need to move on because I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I haven't even got an album. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Let's talk about the App Library. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One of the new features that we've all got to grips with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a little bit over the last week or so, as we've been running 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Dave Beta since the beginning, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     me and Steven are now on the Betas now too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've been running iPadOS Beta since 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the day after WWDC or something, but I'm getting used to now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     using the App Library. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico is the one, the person out of the three of us 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who's been using this for about nearly a month, honestly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What are your main takeaways from the App Library lifestyle? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've resisted the idea of the App Library for a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I've only sort of accepted this experiment a few days ago. It's been really challenging 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for me, honestly, to let go of the icon grid. And I think, broadly speaking, my main problem 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right now is that I'm currently living a home screen crisis. Like, everything is a mess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And because of widgets and because of the app library and because of all these new features, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like I need to rethink... Well, I have to rethink such a fundamental aspect of how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I use my phone, which is when I go back to the home screen, what do I see? And that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something that I do hundreds of times a day, and because of widgets, and because of these 
     
     
  
 
 
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     new ways of launching and organizing apps, I need to rethink it all. And this takes me... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's going to take me time, right? It's going to take me a long time to figure out what's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the optimal placement of the widgets that I want to use, which widgets do I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     use, and also right now I only have Apple widgets. What will happen once third parties 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are getting on this action as well? So... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We should be, I mean, for people that are on beta any day now, I would expect, we'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     start seeing the first third party widgets. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, the app review for TestFlight is, from what I hear, very slow at the moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But usually it happens about this time of year, like beta 3 in late July seems about right for starting to accept. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You've got to assume that this is a time where maybe Apple are looking a little bit more closely at what's being submitted to make sure they haven't made a huge mistake. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah. So basically, my issue is that the App Library requires me to let go of over a decade 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of muscle memory in the sense of when I go back to the home screen, I see a grid of icons 
     
     
  
 
 
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     across multiple pages. Now, the App Library also takes away control from me, right? Because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of that smart organization that it does, that intelligent organization that it does for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you on your behalf. You don't have to organize it. In fact, you cannot organize it at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's nothing you can do. The App Library surfaces recently used apps and recently added 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then puts everything in these automatic categories, which can be a little hit or miss, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like the type of filing that it does for you. But that's the general idea. And then if you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For one, there's a search bar and you can see a list and you can search manually. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:57
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     How pointless is that search bar? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Kind of, because you can just swipe down on any... 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Well, I guess that it's faster because it's restricted to just showing you apps instead 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of other content. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also there's like a whole discussion about search that we're going to need to have at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some point because it's better and worse than the old search in some key ways for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'll fire up the teachy-teachers and I'll put that in there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We'll see, yes. So anyway, right now I'm living a moment of crisis because... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So last night I went in and I knew that we were going to talk about this on the show and so I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:37
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     figured why not. I removed all my folders, so that's a nice touch because you can long press 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on a folder and you can put the entire contents of a folder back into the app library, hiding the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     entire folder and the apps inside the folder from the home screen with just one action. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's very nice. So I went in and my third and my fourth page, I hid them from the home 
     
     
  
 
 
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     screen. So those are now living into the app library. But I still have two pages of icons 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:12
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     and one page of widgets that I need to understand what am I going to do there. So I'm trying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:19
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     to tackle this by starting with some very specific ideas. And then, the home screen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:28
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     organization, I think, is going to be a topic that we're going to talk about over and over 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over the next few months. But for now... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, because it's like a completely different thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:37
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     It's a completely different thing. So something that I'm experimenting with at the moment 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's this idea of having these core corners on my home screen, based on activity, if you 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Like, for example, if you wish. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you wish, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, on my first page, I'm playing around with this idea of the top section of the home screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can put four icons and a small widget, so the what is 2x2 layout, so a small widget next to it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:12
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     and that will be like my media corner. So right now, let me look, right now I have music, I have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the App Store, Instagram and Castro, which we'll talk about it at some point, and next to it I have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:26
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     the Apple Music widget. And then I thought, okay, so that's the media corner. So that's like the spot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on my home screen where anything media-related lives. And then I thought, okay, so this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:39
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     obviously like... this corner contains a bunch of actions, a bunch of apps, that I do a lot, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:45
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     like listening to music, opening the App Store, and, you know, finding a podcast, or browsing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:49
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     Instagram. And then I thought, okay, what else do I do with my phone a lot? I take a lot of notes, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:55
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     and I save a lot of links. So I thought, okay, so at the bottom of the page I will have like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     note-taking corner. And so Notes, Raindrop, Tod, your favorite mic, and Safari. So these icons. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:10
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     And then next to them, a stack of Apple Notes widgets. One of them that opens my... At the moment 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:17
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     I have like this note called Everything Bucket, which is like a note in my eye. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:23
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     - I'll do for everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:24
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     - It's a note in my iOS review folder 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:28
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     where I can just drop anything that I find, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:31
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     I will drop in there, screenshots, links, tweets, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:34
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     like literally anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:36
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     And then later I will organize it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and bring it into my mind map. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:40
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     And the second one in the stack is my scratch pad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:44
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     So I do keep a scratch, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:45
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     but like a general scratch pad in notes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:48
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     So I thought, okay, this could be another corner 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:50
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     for combining icons and widgets, because I don't feel like I want to go all widgets for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:57
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     my first page of the home screen. I still think I want to have a combination of icons 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:02
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     and widgets. There are some weird limitations, though. You cannot have a small widget surrounded 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:12
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     by two icons. You always need to have four icons in a corner and a small widget in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:18
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     other corner. I wish there was a little more flexibility in terms of like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:22
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     layouts and the placement of icons, maybe next year, we'll see. And then I thought 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:27
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     okay so now my first page I have these two distinct areas and I feel pretty 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:32
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     good about them so we'll see how it goes. Then I thought okay what do I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:39
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     want to do for the second page? And right now I'm playing around with this idea of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:43
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     of, on the second home screen, instead of having more icons, the second page I want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:50
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     to do just widgets. And so the theme, if you wish, right now for the second page is Glanceable 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:56
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     Life Updates, which is not a great name, but it gives you the idea. So I have the Calendar 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:03
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     widget, the Reminders widget, Weather, and the Batteries widget, which is not great, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:11
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     but I couldn't figure out anything else that could add that kind of context. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:15
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     You just put in a mole in there, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:17
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     Yeah, the big calendar layout, the big calendar widget... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:21
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     No, actually this is the medium one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:23
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     So medium calendar, medium reminders, small weather, small batteries. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:27
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     This is what I'm doing at the moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Then I have the third page, and I'm probably going to hide everything here as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So realistically I think I'm going to end up with the first home screen, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a second page just with widgets, and then the App Library. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm gonna use this for a while 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I'm gonna see how it works. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now, this is very temporary because I do believe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that everything is gonna change once third-party developers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can adopt widgets. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Still, in this experimentation phase, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can tell you a bunch of things that I think, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a bunch of thoughts that I have. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's gonna be really challenging for me, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the App Library, it's gonna be really challenging 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for me to accept the lack of control. The fact that, like I get it, like a lot of people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     could use the automatic organization, and I think it's, you know, I know a lot of folks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like John, for example, a friend of the show, John Voorhis, could use something like the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     app library to organize his hundreds and hundreds of apps that he has on his phone. But I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the kind of person who likes to control everything, especially on my computer and especially on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my phone, so the inability to say "no, this folder, the way that you name this folder 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is not right", I kind of dislike that. And also, my other problem right now, and sure 
     
     
  
 
 
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     enough could be just a beta thing and things can change between now and September, I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think they will, but they can, there are just some odd limitations with widgets at the moment, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:02
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     and I wanted to mention three of them, three different widgets. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Files, so the Files widget, which is new in Beta 2, is OK, it shows you your recently 
     
     
  
 
 
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     modified, I guess, files. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's nice because you can tap on an individual file and it'll open, and it also shows you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the app that opened the file, so like, IARider for example has a little text document in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my files widget, and there's a little IA Writer icon next to it, because it is a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     markdown document that I open in IA Writer, so that's nice. But what I really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:37
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     would like to do with the files widget is just let me create a small widget 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that opens as either a specific file or a specific folder in the files app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's literally all I want. Like, I want to have a quick, like, bookmark, if you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wish to a folder or a file. That's all I want, and it's not possible right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:00
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     Music, like the Music widget, I really like. I also like in the Medium layout. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In the Small layout it shows you a single item, a single recently played item. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:11
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     And in the Medium and Big layout, and Large layout, it shows you multiple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:18
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     recently played items. But I have the same problem with files here. The app defaults to showing you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:27
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     recently, in this case, played albums or songs, and I just want to be able to go in there and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:34
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     configure the widget and say "I want to create a widget that opens this playlist" or opens this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     his album or opens this section of music. Like, I don't want to be constrained to recently 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:49
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     played by the widgets. Like, let me configure... You have this system that allows me to configure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:56
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     widgets. Why is this one limited to recently played stuff? Like, there's so much more content 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:02
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     that I could choose from, and it's totally possible to do it. So I honestly don't get 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     especially the music one, that's where a third party could come in and make something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:14
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     Sure, they could do that maybe. And lastly, shortcuts. So shortcuts, I feel like it is a very good widget in the sense that they use... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I mean it's no surprise because widget configuration is based on the Intents framework, which of course the Siri and shortcuts team are in charge of. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The Shortcuts widget uses configuration to let you pick a folder of shortcuts that you want to display in the widget. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:43
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     So because of that, you can have multiple Shortcuts widgets on your home screen, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:47
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     each showing you widgets from a specific folder in the app. So that's very cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:53
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     My main problem with the Shortcuts widget is that it wastes a lot of space. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:59
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     It has like... you could double the amount of shortcuts you can have in your configuration. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:04
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     You could honestly double the number of shortcuts because they use these rectangles for individual shortcuts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And they are quite large. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:14
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     They're comically large. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:15
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     They are super big and I feel like if I'm the kind of person who's going to use the shortcuts widget 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:22
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     and is going to configure the shortcuts widget, I probably know what I'm doing and I probably know how to use this one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:28
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     and I feel like I don't need the giant top target for, you know... I mean, in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:34
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     large version of the widget, you can only see eight shortcuts, and I feel like you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:40
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     could show 16 or maybe even 20. So I do like everything else about the widget. I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:46
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     do love the fact that shortcuts from the widget now run with Compact UI, so you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:51
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     can have interactions on the home screen, including... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:55
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     Question for you on that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:57
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     Do some of your widgets load really slowly sometimes? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, yes they do. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Not the only one then. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:03
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     You're not the only one and some of my shortcuts also don't run anymore at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:08
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     And that's to be expected I guess with every new version of shortcuts every summer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:13
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     I've had a day today where I've had to start trying to rebuild one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:17
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     It was on its last legs anyway, like it was a workflow action, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:23
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     it was, do you remember Federico? You made this one. It was to take, I think it was things, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:34
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     like basically to take a bunch of text and add them, like it was to basically take a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:39
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     template set of tasks and add it to things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:42
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     That's something I would do, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:45
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     I was using that widget, well that shortcut still, and it's completely broken now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:50
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     That's from like three years ago, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:53
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     It was a bit ropey, so now I'm rebuilding it with the native actions and going from there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:01
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     Yeah, so I think honestly these are some very specific complaints about widgets and maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:07
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     they will get fixed, maybe not. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:09
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     But I think the bigger picture here is that I'm gonna have a hard time letting go of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:15
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     home screen grid because I'm just so used to it and because with icons you can pack 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:22
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     a lot of them on a single page, and with widgets you cannot. On the other hand, I really like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:28
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     widgets, even though they're not as interactive as I enjoyed, but this is a bigger discussion 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:33
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     for later. I really like widgets, and I really like having these glanceable tiles on my home 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:41
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     screen, and I know I want to use them, and I want to use them a lot, but in using them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:47
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     a lot, I'm gonna end up with multiple pages anyway. So if I'm gonna have multiple pages on my iPhone, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:54
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     and because the App Library I can only reach by swiping all the way to the right, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do I even wanna use it? Because it's like counterintuitive in some way, because the App 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:10
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     Library you can only reach if you scroll all the way to the right side of the home screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:15
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     But then if you want to use widgets a lot, the App Library gets more difficult to get to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:23
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     And I sort of wish that the App Library replaced the "Today" view on the iPhone, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:32
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     or I wish that it was easier to access in some other way, because I find myself in the situation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:39
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     where, OK, I want to use a lot of widgets, but I also want to use the App Library, but then it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:44
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     feels like I kind of need to choose between the two of them, right? Because if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:48
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     I want to use a lot of widgets then it takes me like multiple swipes on screen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:52
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     to open the library and I just wish that it was easier. So, again, I don't know what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:00
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     to do at the moment. Everything is a mess and I'm playing around with a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:03
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     bunch of different approaches and I'm not yet sure which one is best for me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:07
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     but what I do know is that this is very difficult because I'm the kind of nerd 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:11
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     who thinks a lot about home screen layouts, and I need to undo 13-something years of home screen tinkering. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:22
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     I would have liked App Library to be a swipe up on the home screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:27
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     Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well. Like, make it easier somehow. Use one of the gestures that you're not using on the home screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But also, yeah, I guess swipe up on the icons could work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:40
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     Because right now-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:41
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     - Yeah, like in the same way that you swipe down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:43
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     to get the search. - Down to search, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:44
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     you could swipe up to, yeah, that could work actually. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:48
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     - I feel like I know why they put it at the end though. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:50
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     - Yeah, like conceptually, I can understand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:54
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     what's the thinking, the ledger there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:57
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     But also it takes, like, I don't like swiping 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:00
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     multiple times to open it, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:04
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     Steven, where are you with this? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:06
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     - I like the app library, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:08
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     but I'm not sure it's gonna be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     completely game-changing for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:12
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     So all I've really done at this point is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:15
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     I got rid of all my folders. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:16
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     So I've had three home screens for a while, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:18
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     sort of primary apps, secondary apps, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:21
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     and then a bunch of folders at the end. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:23
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     All of those folders got removed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and just dumped into the app library. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:12:28
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     - I have widgets on all three of my screens still, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:32
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     So I kept three screens and I've got widgets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:34
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     taking up two, like I guess four by two at the top. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:39
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     Some of them are two widgets, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:41
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     like I have weather and calendar side by side. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:43
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     I like Efederico, I'm just waiting for third party widgets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:46
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     'cause I think it's all temporary until then. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:48
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     So I've retained the three screens 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:50
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     and getting rid of the folders and adding the widgets, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:52
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     it basically balanced out where what I have available to me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:56
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     is roughly the same and things are kind of roughly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:00
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     in the same place, but it took some fiddling to get there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:05
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     I do think App Library is in the wrong place. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:07
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     I feel like there's a lot of confusion 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:10
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     and like unnecessary complication. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:12
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     Like why is it not available in the search field 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:15
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     if I pull down, like why is it way over there? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:18
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     I just don't, I wish they could consolidate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:20
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     some of that stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:22
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     - Yeah, that's also true. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:24
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     It feels like, and especially with search, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:26
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     it feels like you have the same feature in two places, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:29
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     but it's slightly different in each instance of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:13:34
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     So yeah, and also like, oh, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:36
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     I wanted to mention something else. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:38
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     Another approach could be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:41
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     to have an entirely dynamic home screen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:45
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     in the sense that what you can do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:47
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     is take the series suggestions widget, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:51
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     use it in the large configuration. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:54
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     That widget is gonna show you icons, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:57
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     like regular app icons, but those icons are chosen by Siri. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:02
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     So you could have like a quote unquote 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:04
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     intelligent home screen that uses a traditional layout, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:09
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     but is actually entirely powered by suggestions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:12
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     That's also something that you could consider, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:14
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     or maybe like just one area of a home screen page, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:17
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     you could have like some static icons 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:20
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     that you manually place, and then the other ones 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:23
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     could just rotate based on Siri suggestions, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:25
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     and you wouldn't know, because when you place it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:27
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     the home screen, I believe only the text label of the icons is different when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:33
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     they are based on the Series Suggestions widget, I think. Like, the text label of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:38
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     the icon is slightly dimmed when it's from the Series Suggestions widget. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:43
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     So that's also an approach. Yeah, there's a lot to do here, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:47
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     and I honestly don't know what it's gonna end up looking like at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:51
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     moment. And I can also say that we're gonna talk about it at some point. The 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:57
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     more I spend time on my iPhone configuring things and playing around with different widgets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:03
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     and the app library, the more it doesn't make any sense to me that you cannot place widgets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:08
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     anywhere on the iPad home screen. It absolutely makes no sense. Like the app library missing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:14
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     an iPad, I can sort of maybe make an argument for it, but widgets, no. No, it doesn't make 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:15:21
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     So I immediately got rid of everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:27
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     I have no folders, no second screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:30
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     I have a 4 by 4 grid of apps and then the dock. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:34
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     And I completely reorganized my home screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:38
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     Nothing is in its original position, really, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for any particular reason anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've redone it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a widget stack at the top. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this is just where I'm going to be for now, probably 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the next couple of months. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I plan to like, I want to have a completely different home screen by the time iOS 14 is 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And I really want to go heavy on widgets because I feel like there's probably of the, I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know, of the 16 apps that I have, I reckon maybe five or six of them, I will probably 
     
     
  
 
 
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     replace their icons with widgets anyway. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Like FantasticOwl is going to have a widget, surely. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I won't have the app icon on my screen anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Carrot weather, I won't have the app icon on my screen anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I hope that Google makes one for Google Maps and that's gone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like Timery, that will be gone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So then I will be able to have these applications in a way that makes more sense to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I'm going to get used to, as I have, scrolling through the stacks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Trusting that iOS is going to give me what I want sometimes, but other than that I know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's going to be in one of the stacks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     also like I have been a search to open app person for a long time which is why I was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so happy to get rid of my other screens because nothing had any organization after the first 
     
     
  
 
 
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     screen right and like the idea of Apple creating folders for me in the app library I actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of like because now I don't have to think about what folders things go in anymore like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I couldn't stand it and I've been using the app library as well though like I've been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going I have been scrolling over there a lot and I will say I think it's doing a pretty 
     
     
  
 
 
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     good job of showing me the applications that I need most of the time. So like when I swipe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over like to get to my bank app, like it's there because I keep swiping over and opening 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it. So like you I'm training the system at the same time, right? And so like I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's fine. And honestly, like I know what you mean that some of the categorization is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     weird. Like that bank app is in the productivity category, which is like not what I would have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     done but like I'm not paying attention to the folders that they're in right I'm kind of learning 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just learning where they are because really like my folders that I created they started to make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no sense right because I was running out of space so I was just throwing things in like a folder 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that only kind of made sense like I had a folder called tools that had just everything like just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anything and everything in it. So I'm kind of happy to get rid of that honestly. And 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's also helping me get rid of some of my applications because I opened those pre-made 
     
     
  
 
 
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     folders, and I'm like "what is that app?" and I just delete it. So it's helping me get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rid of some stuff too. So I actually like, the app library is fine, but the main thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for me was just removing home screen clutter was what I wanted to do the most and that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where like when I start seeing more widgets, I'm excited to be able to like really get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rid of more and more of that stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's really difficult. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I might not do the widgets, like might not go as heavy on the widgets thing, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it might be that I realized that no, I still want my calendar app icon on the home 
     
     
  
 
 
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     screen as well as having the widget. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I just don't know yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the thing that I'm excited about is the possibility to change it all up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I probably will have a second screen that just has widgets on as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But that feels better to me than just having more and more app icon screens. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's very exciting though, imagining this feature where there's so many different widgets 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to choose from. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I know that it's gonna kind of not be that good when certain widgets are gonna lose 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some of that functionality that they have right now, like the Timery widget. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know it's gonna be different and maybe the developer will be able to replicate it in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in some way, even though we already know that certain animations and interactions from the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     current widget for Timery will not be possible in iOS 14. But maybe there's a way to mitigate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those with a different design, with a different activation, I don't know. But I think it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     exciting that having these widgets and all the concepts that I've seen on Twitter of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     developers working on them, they look beautiful. I don't know if it's because of SwiftUI making 
     
     
  
 
 
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     easier for developers to make something that looks pretty and modern. I'm sure 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's part of the part of the equation here. I also think that because it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because they are kind of have to be simple right because you can't be in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like you can't really make there's no point covering them in buttons yeah I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think it's that's helping a little bit of the design stuff because people are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     making things that are just more visual rather than covering the widgets and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     buttons. I think too though there'll be an element where we all go widget 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bananas and then scale it back. And then bring it back. We're gonna go widget wild for a while. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then we'll... Widget wild! I guess that's why I'm having a tough time because I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like trying to think ahead because I know that I've done this before and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know that it's not gonna work so it's taking me longer because I'm trying to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to skip that step of, oh, I want to go all in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And instead, I'm trying to think, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what's a balanced approach? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's why I think it's taking me longer, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I know that I could go all in with the widgets. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I know that I'm going to hate myself for doing that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I cannot let go of icons completely. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess that's my issue right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm honestly staring at my phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not even doing anything, just thinking. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for like longer than it would be acceptable for a normal human being to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like you're sitting on my home screen and thinking without doing nothing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that does it for this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Twitter Myke is there as I my ke Myke is the co-host of a bunch of great shows 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here on relay FM Myke name a podcast you're on the pan addict you did that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     last week? Oh, it's probably because it's the one I record before this one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Analog. Go check out Analog. You can find Federico on Twitter @Vittici. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He is the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net. We didn't get to talk about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico's current status of his iOS 14 review, but I assure you it is underway 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and coming to us all this fall, which is very exciting. What if he just decided 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not to bother this year we'll never know because we didn't talk about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or now he's on the hook because I mentioned it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, thank you Stephen, I appreciate it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can find me on Twitter as ismh and my writing at 512pixels.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Until next time guys, say goodbye.