303: Computer Pictures Photo Album
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Hello and welcome to Connected episode 303.
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It's made possible by our sponsors,
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Hover, Bombas and ExpressVPN.
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My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined by Myke Hurley.
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- Hey buddy, are you good?
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- Oh yeah. - Yeah.
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- Yeah, you just said hi.
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I didn't know I had to say anything else.
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for you to welcome back our beloved friend. And now I'm here to welcome back our beloved
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friend, Mr. Federico Vittucci. Hello, I am beloved friend and I am back on the show,
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so thank you. It's good to be back. I mean, I didn't want to leave you talking about Apple,
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Silicon Macs for like multiple weeks. Just one episode is enough. So, you got that out
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of your system. Are you okay now? Are you cool now, Steven? For now. For now. When I
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get one in the office which is going to talk about for weeks. Yep. That is gonna be fun.
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I'm very excited about that genuinely. Like, for different reasons. Like, I'm excited about
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it because I'm really intrigued to see what it's like to run an iOS app on a Mac. Plus,
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there are genuinely applications that I would like to run, like Timery, because nothing
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else is good for time tracking on my Mac and I will like that but then I'll get into like
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a weird mode where my iMac can't do it but my laptop can do it and it's gonna be a whole
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I wonder if you're gonna have a real situation where you think I should just work on a Mac
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all the time. I have all my apps here. Google Docs works better.
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I will say to you I have had that thought but I don't think it's gonna happen but I
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have had that thought.
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It's going to be an exciting time later this year.
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The fact that I do not, as I've expressed to you I believe on this show last week, that
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I do not like the traditional desktop window interface, I think that that will continue
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to keep me going back to iPadOS.
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It's too messy.
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Windows are too messy.
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I think about everyone else on the planet would say that sent us in the other direction.
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I know they would.
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The only thing I like about the Mac at this point, I mean besides, you know, like, well,
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- Certainly. - Or the battery goes bang of a bang.
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- Certain, no, that's like a single thing
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that I really appreciate.
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There's a bunch of other niceties like the terminal
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and like running stuff like Homebridge, for example,
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like that's super cool.
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But what I really like, what I realized recently
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that I really like is the menu bar.
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Like I generally like the menu bar, like as an idea,
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like as a concept, like having this little thing
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with multiple icons and each icon opens a menu.
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- You know what I like about the menu bar?
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that if there's something I believe an app can do,
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but I don't know how to do it,
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there's a place where everything is.
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That's what I like about the menu bar.
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That's a good point.
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- I don't think they're making that podcast anymore.
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- Yeah, but I'm talking about the...
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- Thanks, Dan.
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The help thing is a big part of that, right?
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that you could just type what you want in the help field
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and it will highlight in the menus.
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- That's really cool.
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- It's all very nice.
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Yeah, I like that stuff.
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- So yeah, a menu bar on iPad would be interesting, I think.
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I'm pretty sure that, who was it that did a concept
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a few months ago, maybe?
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- Oh, one of the 50 people that made it.
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- No, but I'm talking about one in particular.
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No, I'm talking about like a--
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- Steven Spicy today.
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- Yeah, I don't know why, like I live for a week.
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What have you done to Steven, Myke?
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do anything. It was your absence that did this.
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Oh, Steve, that's so...
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I missed you.
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Well, Kyle in the chat room has given us his concept shows how Apple could implement a
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main menu for iPad OS apps. Is that it?
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I thought that was too complex, that one. I remembered that one.
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This is the Windows Start menu.
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No, no, that was not... Maybe it was Vidit, one of the developers of Lookup, the dictionary
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Vidit is my favorite concept person.
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That it always does the things that I think are closest to being likely.
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Yeah, because it's very pragmatic, it's obviously good taste.
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I mean, if you've ever used Lookup, it's absolutely beautiful.
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And his concepts are straight to the point, no...
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Like this start menu, it looks super fancy, it looks fancier than it should be, really.
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Or too much in that you've gone too far, right?
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The best concepts are the ones that just go a step further rather than 20 steps further.
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So anyway, there was a concept of a menu bar for an iPad and I thought, you know, it could
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be interesting.
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Oh yeah, I remember now, Vidit imagined an expanded status bar on an iPad, so it was
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just slightly thicker than it is right now, and the thicker status bar could be used to
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manage split view.
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So you would have like, in his concept he had like a split view icon and you could use
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that to manage multitasking and I thought that was really interesting.
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But yeah, anyway, I don't even know what we're talking about the menu bar.
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It's probably my fault.
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You just loved it, that you just thought it was great.
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As usual, I'm sorry.
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We were doing some kind of introduction, I believe.
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We're getting ready to move to follow-ups, let's talk about follow-up.
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The public iOS 14 beta is out.
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and I are both running it now on our phones. Actually I'm on the, you're on the
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dev beta, you're on the Dave beta. Oh I forgot about that. Yeah I'm on Dave beta. Yeah. And you're on what, Paul beta?
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Like what would be public? Mmm yeah Dave and Paul. I'm on the Paul beta. Dave and
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Paul. And it, I really like it. Myke you spoke about this on Monday's upgrade. I
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spoke about it on more power users that comes out on Sunday. So we've talked
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about this other places, but I would just say that I think the ideas for the phone in
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particular are really good. I like widgets, I like the app library. We're going to talk
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about the app library later in this episode, I think.
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I have thoughts about that.
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There's a whole two-page manifesto written by Federico in our Google Doc. And it's been
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really stable for me. I haven't had any issues. I know there's always issues with bank apps
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and certain types of things.
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My bank app works even though they told me it wouldn't work until August but it works
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They told you you were like Mr. Hacker because you were like...
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I was jailbreaking and how dare I. But it started working. They did an update like today
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and it started working already so they fixed it sooner than they said they would. Which
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I want to draw attention to something that appeared in the Relay FM members Discord a
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few days ago which is a website called ismr.space which is made by Aiden Nagel who over the
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last three days I think has listened to 25 episodes of connected to pull out every instance
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where Steven does his famed ASMR. ASMR. Yes like those and if you do you remember the
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Myke Oracle website where people pulled out the clips of me when I was sick. Of course.
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So that's that that one I think may have been like part of the inspiration for this and
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basically there's just a button which just says "Whisper" and every time you press it you hear
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a different ismr thing. My voice kind of trembled there a little bit because I pressed it and heard
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"Pokemon" and it threw me off. Because that "Pokemon" one, there's one where you say "Pokemon"
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and that's the one that for some reason like it just it embeds itself in my brain the most.
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Also let's talk about the purple photo that was used for Steven on this webpage.
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There's lots of them. They cycle through.
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Oh, they cycle. Because the one that I'm looking at right now is the glorious mustache Steven
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from a few months ago. Really the best look you've ever had.
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Are you back with the mustache again?
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Nah, I'm growing the beard out so it's kind of all the same length now.
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Ah, the mustache was better.
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It was. You really... I don't know a lot of people that could pull off a mustache but
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you managed to do it.
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Yes, yes, I agree.
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But there you go, go to ismr.space and you can get ismh asmr whenever you want it.
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Whenever you want it.
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No, no! Don't say things like that! Don't do that! No, no!
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Look, he's got to expand his repertoire, alright?
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Steven, have you ever heard of OnlyFans?
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There you go, Federico has it.
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Yeah, you should look into that.
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You should get an Onlyfans.
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Could be the next perk, Steven.
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Yeah, who needs membership?
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You get an Onlyfans, then you can make the money.
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You have an Onlyfans, Steven.
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Can I sign up for it?
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Yeah, go for it.
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You could charge some serious money there.
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Yeah, I mean you can have multiple tiers.
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Members only content.
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Members only.
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Yes, yes exactly.
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You keep taking the worst things to say!
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We have some really exciting news.
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Yeah, we do.
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You wanna explain this?
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We have an arly pants now.
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A few years ago, what was it, 2016?
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We were just before WWDC, discussing, like shaking up the artwork for this show a little
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Connected was one of the original five Relay FM shows and then over the years, whilst our
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artwork still has a kind of consistency. The actual artwork for all of the shows became
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more complicated over time, like more complex in a good way. Like there was more texture added,
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more layers, more depth. And we kind of, you know, we had, we started off with a very strict
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guideline created by the wonderful Simon, who's our incredible designer. And,
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But then over time, we kind of, as is usual, you kind of stretch out a little bit from where you start off, right?
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Things develop and adapt. And before 2016, we were thinking like, "Oh, maybe it's time to mix up our artwork," right?
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Which has been, for the last nearly six years, the six-color globe with a white background.
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And there are lines that go around the globe, which are like, I guess could signify planes.
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and in case you don't know, it's a fun fact, the three lines cross over each other where
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we all live. There is also the original version, was it Iceland that got omitted from the original
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version? Was it Iceland? Greenland, maybe. Was it Greenland? Okay, yeah, Greenland was
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left out which is just kind of like an accident but a fun thing that happened, Greenland.
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So, before WWDC that year, we were talking about changing it up, and then the show got
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featured in the WWDC keynote, and we kind of could not do that.
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Because I have a picture on my wall here of Tim Cook standing in front of a massive version
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of the connected artwork, which is physically bigger than him.
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So we were like, "Well, we can't change it now."
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Then over WWDC week we were featured in the Apple Podcasts directory and they used a version
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of our artwork where it was the globe in its colours with a six colour background behind
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it and people were like "Oh that's amazing!
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Where did that come from?
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Did Apple make that?"
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That kind of stuff.
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thing is that artwork is five years old. When Relay FM was founded, we were very lucky to
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get some featuring from Apple in the Apple Podcasts directory when we began. And when
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you work with Apple, and anybody can do this now with the Podcast Connect thing that they
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have, but I don't think you could at the time, you can submit your own promotional artwork
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for consideration if Apple was to feature you. So they had some guidelines and we did
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that. In the run up to WWDC it was a similar thing. We were working with a person there
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when we arranged for our interviews to be set up and they asked for some promotional
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artwork and because the timelines were quite tight I just thought I'll just give them the
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one that we already have not thinking that they would use it but I also really liked
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It's also missing Greenland by the way.
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Apple's used.
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Sorry Greenland!
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In our defence, Apple didn't check either.
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Well they use Apple Maps, how could they know?
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Yeah, also Apple believes in the conspiracy that Greenland does not exist.
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But this is also proof of the fact that this artwork is five years old, because it was
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created when our original set of artwork was created.
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So we had a lot of people being like "Oh that looks so cool, looks so different!"
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And what this is, in my opinion, is like the proof of the fact that fashion style is cyclical.
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Because that looked cool like five years ago and then we kind of left it and now it's become
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So basically this is a very long way of saying that we have out updated the connected artwork.
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If you look in your podcast app, as long as it's one that supports chapter artwork, you'll
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see it and then it will be changing over the next week or so because different applications
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cache artwork. But over the next week or so you'll see a new version of the connected
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artwork which still keeps a lot of its original design but now instead of the white background
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we have a rainbow background and we've added more glow to it. Honestly we've skewed more
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and faster the connected artwork. It's 3D! It's 3D! It's curvy! This is what I'm saying
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about taste, right? Like, we have the flat version of the artwork and we had this 3D
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version of the artwork and we decided to go with the flat version because that was the
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thing you did in 2014. But now, here in the heady days of 2020, we're all going back to
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texture again. So now the connected artwork, as they're saying in the chat, has been big
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surr- how would you say it, Federico?
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It has been big surrified.
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There we go, it's been big-surfied. Thank you very much. So yeah, that's where we are.
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We, you know, we had considered, when we're back in 2016, we had considered like completely
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rethinking the design. But I'm really happy with where we are now because it's still very
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much the show, but is more, is more modern. So I mean, there you go.
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I mean, we can do flat, we can do curvy, we can do whatever you want. We can, we can change
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it every... we can change it every other week if we want to. We don't care, but we've decided
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that we're gonna keep the 3D one. So the idea was it's like the globe is a glass ball kind
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of so that the stripes get refracted as they go through them. It's a lot of fun. Really
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happy with it. Yep. Someone was very upset with the fact that in an earlier version of
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the artwork some of the globe lines, colors lined up with the lines in the background.
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Yep. Yeah, and that got changed
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It got changed
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Steven you like video games, right?
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They're fine you do like Lego though
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There is absolutely no reason for us to talk about this other than the fact that I want to talk about this and otherwise won't
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Get to talk about it
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Anyway, Lego is making a Super Mario Nintendo Entertainment System set and it's absolutely incredible
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And I'm gonna buy it so fast when it becomes available. Mm-hmm
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Mm hmm. Doesn't it look cool?
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It looks very, very good.
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And there's a crank to play the game on the Lego TV.
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Oh, it's Playdate.
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Yeah, they copied the crank.
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They copied the crank.
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Now everyone's doing cranks.
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Interesting.
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Yeah. Cranks.
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Yeah, it looks amazing.
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I am going to Wyatt.
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It's coming out in August and I'm going to build it
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and it will take pride of place in my studio, I think, as a display thing.
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It's super cool.
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Like, they've gone, I saw somebody say this on Twitter and it's so true, they've really
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gone way further with this than they needed to, because they have the TV too with the
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little crank on it.
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Like, they could have just made the NES and it would have been more than enough.
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Would have been fine because the NES has some actual details like the controller that actually
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connects to the console and like the cartridges and like, that would have been fine.
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And you push the cartridge down and it looks like it has a spring effect to it.
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Yeah, but they also made the TV which is just incredible.
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And then also if you get one of the new Lego Mario sets which has the Mario in it with
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a little CD and the speaker, if you put it on top of the TV and do the crank it will
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play the appropriate sound effects for where the Mario is in the little scene that you're
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Like super great.
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Like super great.
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2,600 pieces, $230 or something, which is a pretty decent brick to dollar ratio.
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I can't judge, I mean I've got LEGO sets all over my office that cost as much or more.
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I think it's really cool and I like that it's interactive.
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I really want to hear how this goes and how you feel about it when you get it in.
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Oh, it's not available to buy yet, but as soon as it is I will be placed in an order.
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I'm super into this. This is like they have found like the real sweet spot for me with
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a set like this. It's really cool because like the Lego stuff, the, the, the, the, sorry,
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the Lego Mario stuff that they're doing looks cool. But I was a bit like, ah, I was kind
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of hoping for something a little bit more model than play set. And they've done exactly
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that now. Right? Like when, when, when it was like, Oh, Lego and Mario were doing something
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together. I just wanted to build like pretty much exactly what they've given me. Right?
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Like I wanted to just make like a classic Mario like scene, right?
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But instead they've built this like playset thing, which is, which is fine,
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but it's, it's not what I wanted, but this NES is like, yes, perfect.
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Bravo Nintendo.
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Like this is great licensing.
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iOS 13.6, is that it?
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It's been released today.
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Wild, in a way, that there's still releases going while the beta is going for the other
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especially because there's new features being added to iOS at this point.
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Today's release basically has a bunch of stuff for Apple News in it.
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There's a couple of different features.
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One is audio stories, where Apple's going to collect up some stories from large publishers,
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have them professionally read, edited, and you'll be able to listen to them instead of reading them.
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The other is something which is coming to Apple News and also Apple Podcast.
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It's called Apple News Today. Apple's getting into the Daily News Podcast world, which is really interesting.
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I need to think more about this because this has only come out today.
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We knew that there were going to be the audio stories thing, but the Daily News Podcast that came out,
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That was a bit of a surprise to me.
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So I want to think about this a little bit more, about what this could mean, maybe what
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Apple's motivations are for doing this.
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But yeah, this is something that will exist from now, I believe.
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So it's a daily 10 minute news podcast from Apple.
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And they've got a couple of hosts who they're naming, which is interesting, Sumita Bezu
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and Duarte Gildino.
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This is, you know, it's in the past, I think there's been criticism of Apple that they
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haven't been very good at giving credit for the people that produce their stuff, right?
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So like the App Store editorial team are not named, the Apple Music editors are not named.
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And of course, Duarte and Shimitar are hosts of a show, right?
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So it's like a little bit trickier.
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But I'm very pleased that it's not like, "Hey, we're the Apple News Today team and we're
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You know what I mean? Which they could have just done that.
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They were not supposed to tell you our names.
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But you could imagine a world in which they did it that way.
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You know, I liked seeing that Serenity Coldwell was named.
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She had a personality during the WWDC stuff, which didn't just live in a developer app.
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It was on YouTube and stuff like that.
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So yeah, this is really interesting.
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I'm keen to understand what is the breadth of this?
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are they just going to be talking or citing sources that are in Apple News?
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Is it just going to be US only kind of content? Will they bring this stuff out to other regions?
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Maybe have like a European news team? Like this is yeah there's a lot to think about with this,
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but of course the reason it's in the show today is because this finally secures Steven with one of his
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yearly picks. That's right the year of Steven continues. It's not the year of Steven. We are
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currently tied. Also I'm not sure I want to claim 2020 as the year of Steven honestly. Yeah,
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actually you know what? You have it. 2020 is your year baby. No! Yeah, so this is interesting.
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There's a lot to unpack here I think. So I was just playing around with the audio player for
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the Apple news stories as we were doing the pre-show for current cut pro and it's fine.
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It's basically the Apple podcast player with a different background and it lives inside
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the news app on 13.6. This is not available in the iOS 14 beta yet, so we have a bit of a
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discrepancy there at the moment between the different releases. But there's a new audio
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page. It's in the bottom top bar inside news on the iPhone and the player is fine and in a nice
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touch, you can, while you're listening to a story, you can long press and the
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context menu will give you an option to read the original story instead. So if
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you're listening and you feel like "I actually want to read this one", you can jump to
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that, to the text version of the story very quickly, so that's nice. But there's,
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I mean, we knew this was coming 9 to 5 Mac had the screenshots for this feature
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before, it's exactly what you expect. And there's a selection of articles, like I'm
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looking right now in news, I have it on my backup phone. And you have stories from all
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the usual suspects. So Popular Mechanics, Wired, Vogue, Bloomberg, Businessweek. Yeah.
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All of the usual suspects that are left, I guess.
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Those that are left, of course. There's actually multiple articles from Bloomberg Businessweek
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and some other like a bunch of like Men's Health and what's this one, Runner's World,
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so a bunch of fitness publications as well and Wired. So it's fine.
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Here's a question. Do you think they would ever read a story that involves Apple?
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Yeah I was thinking about that.
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From Bloomberg Businessweek.
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Yeah, what are the... like, what does the selection of these stories look like from
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an editorial standpoint? And honestly, I don't know. I think we've talked about this before
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in the context of the Apple News Digest, that is an existing feature of Apple News. And
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And I believe that they do cover Apple in the digest section. So yeah, I'm not sure.
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I think they're... Now, though, reading them would be slightly awkward. I don't know. I
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honestly don't know. So I guess we'll see what this is going to be like. And I mean,
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I'm still not paying for Apple News Plus. So I really don't know if like all these stories
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will be available to me. I noticed that as soon as I reopened the app, it says "Listen
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only in Apple News Plus" and there's a big promo box in the middle of the page that says
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"Get Started" and when I reopened the app a splash screen came up as well telling me
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to subscribe. But I can listen to the intro post for free News Plus audio at the top of
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Yeah, the hosts both seem to have come from WNYC. I believe they were both a part of a
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a show there called The Takeaway, which was a daily national public radio program.
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So I was just like, they're both on Twitter.
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So I was just kind of like looking at, looking at, looking them up right now.
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And it seems that's where they both came from.
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So professionals in this industry, like Apple hasn't brought some people from
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inside of Apple to do this.
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Like they've hired from outside people that do this stuff that read news and have
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been doing it for some time, it looks like.
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So yeah, I'm intrigued to see how that one shakes out.
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Can I tell you about some of the other changes in 13.6?
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Yes, please.
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Because I have the release notes.
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So digital car keys are actually available in 13.6.
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No need to wait for iOS 14.
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So it's not an iOS 14 feature then?
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Yeah, just like the new symptoms in the health app
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that they mentioned at WWDC, like new symptoms
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for cycle tracking, I believe, and the new ECG integration
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That's available in 13.6, even though Apple mentioned those
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as iOS 14 features, but those are actually here today.
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And so now you can log symptoms like fever, chills,
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sore throat, and coughing.
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So those are available in health.
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And car keys, you can share them with iCloud.
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You can share a digital key over iMessage,
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just like Apple showed the WWDC in 14, but that's available in 13.6.
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And you can have multiple profiles for multiple drivers,
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and you can have restrictions.
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So if you want to make sure that your teenager kid does not drive
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over a certain distance, I believe you can do that.
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So that's pretty cool.
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That stuff is really cool, by the way.
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It's very cool.
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We haven't spoken about it, but all of those features around that car--
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when I first heard about that car key thing,
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It was kind of like, "Ah, this is going to be like Snoozetown."
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But when they were announcing the features, it was kind of like,
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"Yeah, you know what? That stuff sounds really good."
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It's very clever because you have that family sharing integration
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that absolutely makes sense if you're a parent.
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And obviously you have maps integration and you can share over iMessage.
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It's really well done. I think it's really well done.
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Too bad it's limited to a specific BMW model.
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For now, obviously.
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For now. We're actually looking into renting that car this summer because we want to write
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about it. So, which one of you is going to drive around? John is looking into the BMW.
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Oh my God. That's genius. That's very funny. Yes. We're looking into that. Also, let me tell you
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about some of my favorite bug fixes in 13.6 because there's some really fascinating stuff.
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For example, a fix is an issue that causes some phone calls from, and I'm going to try
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my best here. I can do this for you if you need, but try it. Saskatchewan? Yeah, you
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got it. Saskatchewan. Yeah. Saskatchewan? To appear as originating from the United States.
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Now I believe that Saskatchewan is in Canada. Is it in Canada? Yes. Really? Wow. Look at
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me. I know geography. Yeah. No, you don't. I listened to one of your many podcasts where
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you were very clear about not knowing geography. Why do you need to mention that? What else?
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Let's see. There's really nothing else exciting. I just thought that the Saskatchewan one was
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really exciting because it's called Saskatchewan.
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Well, it also fixes an issue that could cause Japanese hardware keyboards to be incorrectly
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mapped as a US keyboard.
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Is there a US-focused bug issue here, right?
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Thanks, California.
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Well, I mean, to be fair, America's got more bugs than anybody right now.
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Oh my God. What did you do today?
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I don't know.
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You're very, very on the comedy.
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No, I do know. I slept in.
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I got more sleep than I do.
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Ah, there you go. It made you punchy.
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You're like live shows, Steven.
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You know what you need?
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To relax, listen to some ASMR, and chill,
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and then come back and do the show.
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Podcast and chill.
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I think all the Apple news stuff is really cool.
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I'm glad they're jumping into the daily podcast move.
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I'm glad Iowa's 13.6 is here.
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Good breaking news segment.
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- I still remain skeptical in the same way
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that I was skeptical when Apple first announced
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that news initiative that I don't remember
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what happened with.
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Remember when they, I think they were pledging money
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or something.
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- Yes, save journalism.
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- There is still a part of me that is like,
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I don't know how I feel about technology companies,
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no matter who they are controlling the news that people see.
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And this is an element of them hand picking the news stories
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that they want to promote.
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And it's coming from Apple.
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Now this could be good, this could be bad, I don't know,
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but it's still a thing that is happening, right?
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Like this is not algorithmically generated,
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like there are editors, they are picking this stuff
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and then they are filtering it through their own voices in some instances
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and delivering it back to you.
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And I still feel that it is healthy to pause about that,
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just to remember this.
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So yeah, I still am keeping what I consider
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to be a healthy level of skepticism about this for now.
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- I don't disagree.
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I think you make a really good point.
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It's a bias view and like there is nothing wrong with bias.
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Like we all have bias, right? Like I think people that said they don't have bias,
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uh, I, I, I question that. Um, maybe that's a bias that I have,
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but like we will have our biases. Uh, but yeah, it's like,
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in the same way that you should always think of the fact that whenever we're
00:33:26
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talking about stuff, we come from a bias of being fans of Apple products, right?
00:33:31
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Like, that's an important thing that you need to know about this show before you start listening
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But we do still question it like I am right now.
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Anyway, this is a spider's web to get caught up in.
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But it's still just something that I want to mention, I think, whenever I see stuff
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like this about Apple and their news initiatives.
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Yeah, I mean, I totally relate to this argument.
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I mean, I come from a country where, for many years, the Prime Minister was also the owner
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of a major TV network. So, you know. You say like, how could it be legal? But the person
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who's setting the laws. Well, you know, so, you know, I get it. It can be, it's an awkward
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position. I mean, this is obviously different. Apple is no political party, but you got that
00:34:19
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conflict of interest going on maybe to an extent. And you got to consider that when
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you consume your news from, from Apple news. And I know that they have like, they mentioned,
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I believe years ago, that they have like, like it's a separate entity of sorts with
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like an editorial board. And this is, I believe they had something years ago in the New York
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Times, like there was a story that detailed the structure of the Apple News journalistic
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team. So maybe somebody can find it. But yeah, I mean, it's always like right there in the
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back of your mind like, "Yeah, isn't it kind of weird though that they're doing
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this?" And to an extent I think it is. Just like it would be strange if like
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Facebook did it or Google did it, like these giant corporations that wield such
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a terrific amount of power, both, you know, culturally and financially, that they
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want to do... And politically. And politically that they want to do journalism just
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because they can just because like journalism is a feature of their
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products it can be a little weird you know maybe you just keep that in mind I
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think it is very clear that Apple as a company wants to do everything now right
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like like many other technology companies many before this yeah but like
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before them right you like your Amazon's and Google's were doing this before and
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now Apple are kind of in this space of like if there's a thing we can do we're
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gonna do it and there's good and bad in that but they are definitely in that
00:35:59
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Wally by and large like mentality right you're everything from Apple they'll
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I had some rough times with Apple Photos
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and I just wanted to share it
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in case listeners had a similar issue.
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So I have a lot of albums.
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I'm a big believer in albums and photos.
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That's how I organize things.
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And as a person with many albums,
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I want them sorted alphabetically
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so I can get to what I want to quickly.
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And they fall out of order sometimes in the Mac Photos app.
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It's like sometimes you open it
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and there's not in the same order anymore,
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but you've always been able to right click on my albums
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in the sidebar and re-sort them.
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You can sort them by date or by name,
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I think some other things.
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So I sorted them by name.
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The problem I was having is that the order was out of sync
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on my iOS devices.
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So my Mac would say they're in alphabetical order,
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but on my phone and iPad, they weren't.
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and the iPhone and iPad were in the same order.
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And that was also the order set on iCloud.com
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because you can log into iCloud.com
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and see your photo library.
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Now on iCloud's website,
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there's no mechanism to deal with this.
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There's no sorting there.
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I thought, well, if I could sort them on the iCloud website,
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maybe that'll like jumpstart the sync on the iOS devices.
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And everything else was still working.
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I was still getting photos.
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Things were still going the right places.
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It was just the order of the albums that was wrong.
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And I couldn't do anything on iCloud.com to fix this.
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And I was getting ready to do the terrible thing
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of like signing out of iCloud Photos
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and then signing back in.
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And then I thought, well, I could rebuild the library.
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Maybe that would fix it.
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And you do that by starting Photos,
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holding down, I think, Command and Option,
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and it rebuilds the library
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and makes sure everything's in sync.
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That took a little while, I've got over 50,000 items
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in my photos library, but it fixed the issue.
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And so now I can have everything synced
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in the order I want it.
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And that really was bugging me, especially on iOS 14,
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because now the photo picker isn't just the old list
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that it used to be, now you have search
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and you have albums in there.
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So I really wanna be able to quickly go to an album
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and pull out a photo, and they were all out of order
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and I can never find anything.
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So I'm psyched that this fixed it.
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I'm not sure why rebuilding the photo library on the Mac did it, but it was enough, I guess,
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to get it syncing again and now things are good.
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Do you guys pick albums users?
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Do you have any albums?
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Yes, but mostly because I don't know how to delete them.
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I have a selection of shared albums, but I don't count those.
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But I have one album, which is my wedding photos,
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and one album, which is the photo booth
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that we had at the wedding.
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They're the only two albums that I have.
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- And so you just search for anything else?
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- Search, yeah.
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- Yes, I use search a lot, actually.
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Like search by, I really use search by location
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and by date, and often by those two things combined.
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So like beach, like the location of the beach, 2019.
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Like I do that a lot actually, yes.
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- I actually more just search by my own eye.
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Right, like I know roughly when the photo was
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that I'm looking for, and I just scroll
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until I know I'm around that area.
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That's kind of how I do it.
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- Yeah, for recent photos, like for photos
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in the last like couple of months, I do that as well.
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- But like the other day, for example,
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I was looking for a specific video
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of one of our dogs swimming at the beach,
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and I knew that it was last year,
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so I searched by location and time, and it just worked.
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So yeah, that search has actually gotten quite,
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I don't wanna say great, it's pretty good though.
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It's not, I mean, the content stuff
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leaves a lot to be desired,
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but if you just use those filters,
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like date and time, location.
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- Do you still have to just search one word at a time?
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- No, you can combine them.
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Okay. Could you remember when that was a thing?
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It was a thing and then they changed it last year.
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Last year they changed it with 13.
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Tokenized searches.
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How many things are in y'all's photo libraries?
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How many items?
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Oh, I wanna say, let me, 14,000 maybe.
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No, actually 23,000.
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Woof, I'm 12,800 photos, 523 videos.
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- Wow, so I'm way ahead of y'all.
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Welcome to being a parent, I guess.
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But that's interesting, 'cause I find myself searching
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more than I used to, but I have trouble letting go
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of the album.
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And then scrolling through here,
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there's probably 100 of 'em, 150 of 'em.
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Like, I have a lot of them.
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And photos--
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- The problem is, when you're an album person,
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you can never get away from it.
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- That's kinda how I feel.
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I feel like I can't ever--
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- When you stop.
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- Yeah, I'm like in this methodology,
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and I can't move out of it.
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Like even just using favorites,
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I have like two pictures listed as favorites
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'cause even that feels too wishy-washy.
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- So I used to make albums in iPhoto.
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- And I got into that habit and I hated it, right?
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Where it was like I'm making them constantly.
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And then when they moved from iPhoto to photos,
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I just stopped.
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It gave me the like the excuse to stop.
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So I just stopped.
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- Yeah, and mine came from,
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I used to have my photo library on Dropbox in subfolders
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based on topic. So like what kind of albums do you do, Steven? Like just for special occasions,
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like do you actually organize everything? Like even just like random days that you spend at home?
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Yeah, I have a smart album that says "not in albums" and there's four photos in it right now
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that I need to file. So for instance, I'll just read some. I've got one for my daughter, so it's
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pictures of primarily her. I have... So by subject. Okay. It's all by subject. I have Apple Hardware,
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which has 1800 pictures. Bikes and cars.
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Wow. Bikes and cars? Yeah, yeah, bikes and cars. Interesting. Okay.
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I've got one for our old house, just like pictures of the house and house
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projects, one for the new house. So you don't do occasions like birthday
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parties and like Thanksgiving or something? Like, each
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kid has their album and then an album for all
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of their birthdays. So it's all like, you know, nine of my
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daughter's birthdays in one album. Interesting. And then, you know, like various trips,
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one for relay FM live shows, so not an album for individual live shows, but they're all there
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together. Yeah. You know, on and on and on. I mean, they just, they never end. And you do this every
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day? Like, disorganization? I mean, every once in a while I just sit down and look at the smart album
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called Not in Albums and then I put them where they should go. Every photo goes in an album?
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Or it's deleted. Wow. Wow. Oh, I lied. By the way, I have one more album, which is... I think
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this is very funny. I like to sometimes take pictures of Adina's face way too close.
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So like we're standing next to each other, I got my phone out and I just take a picture
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which is just way too close and I have all of those photos in an album because it's hilarious
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to me to look at these pictures.
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That's good.
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That's a very good album.
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Yep, it's a cool close up.
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Steven that's wild that you do that.
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I've got an album for 10 years of Instagram history so Instagram 2011, Instagram 2012,
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Instagram 2013.
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Yeah. Hold on. I don't know. I don't understand that. So every photo you post on Instagram
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also goes to a fold to an album. Yeah. Photos up. Yeah. I guess. And how does that happen?
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Well manually the Instagram app, if you have it, save your photos, makes an Instagram album
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at the end of the year. I make an archive of all those posts for the year. And so at
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the end of the year I'll make an Instagram 2020 album and put all the
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Instagram 2020 images in there. I'm not saying this is like a weird thing to do
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I'm sure many people do it I just wasn't expecting that. It's a lot of work it's
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not weird it's just a lot of work. Yeah it's a lot of work. I commend your patience
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yeah but I feel like I can quickly find things. Oh of course because they're
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organized in buckets that make sense to your brain yeah right way if you're like
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I want to find a car well you just go to bikes and cars that's right if I want to
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look at a at a Hurley bachelor party they're all in there together you know
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wait we've only been one oh so you do have events then some if it's like a
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true one-off like yes it makes approach yeah find what becomes an album you just
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got to feel it. Right. You know it when you see it. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. And would you
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say that you have more albums for people or objects in your life? I think it's a pretty
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solid mix between people, like types of object, and then events. So like, every fall we go
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to this pumpkin patch and so I have one called pumpkin patch and it's you know five or six
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years of photos all at the same place so I can very quickly see like my kids get older
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every fall. So again it's hard to it's hard to judge where the line is but what if you
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had a birthday party at the pumpkin patch then what would you do? I think the birthday
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party would override the pumpkin patch. Right okay there's a hierarchy yeah. And I also
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have a follow-up question. Does the dog have its own album? She does. Eva Korn dog is her
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own album. Perfect. Do you have albums for all of the animals or do some of them get
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grouped together? Well there's, oh like previous pets? Yeah. The previous pets I think are
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mixed in other places. Is the album called "Previous Pets"? No, I don't. I'm saying I don't have a lot of pictures of them.
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Okay, okay. Also, I have another follow-up question. Do you have a photo album for
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your enemies? I do. That is called "Max Stories". They're on there. Okay, perfect.
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Fantastic, okay. Are there any unexpected albums in there? What do you mean?
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Like, do you keep an album of photos which you would consider to be
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abnormal to what people would normally put in their photos? Kind of like bikes and cars.
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I mean I have a bunch of photos of laptops and computers. There you go, yeah.
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So do you have a computer pictures photo album? I have an Apple hardware
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album that has pictures of tons of Macs and then I have a non Apple Hardware
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album that is a bunch of other stuff. Is it possible for you to find out which
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albums you have the most photos in? I bet you can make a serious shortcut for it.
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Because I want to know how highly the Apple Photos stacks. It's high. And like
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which one of your children you have more pictures of laptops. Maybe I can
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eyeball that so Apple hardware has 1742. You have more pictures of Apple
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hardware than I do of my wedding. Yeah oh yeah our daughter only has 1022
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photos. Stevens is a marriage for life with old Apple hardware. So you
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have more pictures of Apple computers than your middle child? Yeah, and
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definitely the youngest child, because he has the fewest, because he's lived the
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shortest. Look, it's not weird, alright? It's his passion. It's his hobby. So... Do you
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have a photo album of Mary? Of course. Do you have more pictures of the
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computers than Mary? I don't feel like I have to answer that. That's a yes, Dan.
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I really want to see the previous Pat's album.
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That's not like I'm obsessed with that album.
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Like I need to see it.
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I could go through and find all the pictures
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of Mary's old cat and put him in there, I guess.
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That was a troublesome cat.
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Yeah, he was not good.
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There we go.
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Who would've thought?
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We learned something new about you, Steven,
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in detail also.
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So thank you for bringing this to our attention.
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I found it interesting.
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neither of you asked if I had albums of you.
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- There's a mic album.
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- There's no Federico album.
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- You're mostly confined to the WWDC album.
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- I was gonna say, to be fair,
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I do see Steven in places other than just events.
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- I mean, he's seen me a bunch of times
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and he's taken a bunch of pictures of me.
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I don't even get my own album, wow.
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- Do you have a Federico face in your faces library?
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- Yes, I do.
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He has a face and he just couldn't be bothered to set up an album for me, but he does have
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bikes and cars and previous pets.
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The face is unnamed, like the phoners just realized there's a person and it's just like
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Just the Italian flag emoji.
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Yeah, actually, am I in the enemies album, Steven?
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No, it's just Jon.
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Yeah, as it should be.
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Okay, well, after this disappointing revelation, I feel like we need to move on because I'm
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I haven't even got an album.
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Let's talk about the App Library.
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One of the new features that we've all got to grips with
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a little bit over the last week or so, as we've been running
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Dave Beta since the beginning, and
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me and Steven are now on the Betas now too.
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I've been running iPadOS Beta since
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the day after WWDC or something, but I'm getting used to now
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using the App Library.
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Federico is the one, the person out of the three of us
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who's been using this for about nearly a month, honestly.
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What are your main takeaways from the App Library lifestyle?
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I've resisted the idea of the App Library for a long time.
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I mean, I've only sort of accepted this experiment a few days ago. It's been really challenging
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for me, honestly, to let go of the icon grid. And I think, broadly speaking, my main problem
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right now is that I'm currently living a home screen crisis. Like, everything is a mess.
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And because of widgets and because of the app library and because of all these new features,
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I feel like I need to rethink... Well, I have to rethink such a fundamental aspect of how
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I use my phone, which is when I go back to the home screen, what do I see? And that's
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something that I do hundreds of times a day, and because of widgets, and because of these
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new ways of launching and organizing apps, I need to rethink it all. And this takes me...
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It's going to take me time, right? It's going to take me a long time to figure out what's
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the optimal placement of the widgets that I want to use, which widgets do I want to
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use, and also right now I only have Apple widgets. What will happen once third parties
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are getting on this action as well? So...
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We should be, I mean, for people that are on beta any day now, I would expect, we'll
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start seeing the first third party widgets.
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Yeah, the app review for TestFlight is, from what I hear, very slow at the moment.
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But usually it happens about this time of year, like beta 3 in late July seems about right for starting to accept.
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You've got to assume that this is a time where maybe Apple are looking a little bit more closely at what's being submitted to make sure they haven't made a huge mistake.
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Yeah. So basically, my issue is that the App Library requires me to let go of over a decade
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of muscle memory in the sense of when I go back to the home screen, I see a grid of icons
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across multiple pages. Now, the App Library also takes away control from me, right? Because
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of that smart organization that it does, that intelligent organization that it does for
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you on your behalf. You don't have to organize it. In fact, you cannot organize it at all.
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There's nothing you can do. The App Library surfaces recently used apps and recently added
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and then puts everything in these automatic categories, which can be a little hit or miss,
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like the type of filing that it does for you. But that's the general idea. And then if you
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For one, there's a search bar and you can see a list and you can search manually.
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How pointless is that search bar?
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Kind of, because you can just swipe down on any...
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Well, I guess that it's faster because it's restricted to just showing you apps instead
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of other content.
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And also there's like a whole discussion about search that we're going to need to have at
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some point because it's better and worse than the old search in some key ways for me.
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And I'll fire up the teachy-teachers and I'll put that in there.
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We'll see, yes. So anyway, right now I'm living a moment of crisis because...
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So last night I went in and I knew that we were going to talk about this on the show and so I
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figured why not. I removed all my folders, so that's a nice touch because you can long press
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on a folder and you can put the entire contents of a folder back into the app library, hiding the
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entire folder and the apps inside the folder from the home screen with just one action.
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So that's very nice. So I went in and my third and my fourth page, I hid them from the home
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screen. So those are now living into the app library. But I still have two pages of icons
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and one page of widgets that I need to understand what am I going to do there. So I'm trying
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to tackle this by starting with some very specific ideas. And then, the home screen
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organization, I think, is going to be a topic that we're going to talk about over and over
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over the next few months. But for now...
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Yeah, because it's like a completely different thing.
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It's a completely different thing. So something that I'm experimenting with at the moment
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It's this idea of having these core corners on my home screen, based on activity, if you
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Like, for example, if you wish.
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If you wish, yes.
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So, on my first page, I'm playing around with this idea of the top section of the home screen.
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I can put four icons and a small widget, so the what is 2x2 layout, so a small widget next to it
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and that will be like my media corner. So right now, let me look, right now I have music, I have
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the App Store, Instagram and Castro, which we'll talk about it at some point, and next to it I have
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the Apple Music widget. And then I thought, okay, so that's the media corner. So that's like the spot
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on my home screen where anything media-related lives. And then I thought, okay, so this is
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obviously like... this corner contains a bunch of actions, a bunch of apps, that I do a lot,
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like listening to music, opening the App Store, and, you know, finding a podcast, or browsing
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Instagram. And then I thought, okay, what else do I do with my phone a lot? I take a lot of notes,
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and I save a lot of links. So I thought, okay, so at the bottom of the page I will have like a
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note-taking corner. And so Notes, Raindrop, Tod, your favorite mic, and Safari. So these icons.
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And then next to them, a stack of Apple Notes widgets. One of them that opens my... At the moment
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I have like this note called Everything Bucket, which is like a note in my eye.
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- I'll do for everything.
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- It's a note in my iOS review folder
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where I can just drop anything that I find,
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I will drop in there, screenshots, links, tweets,
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like literally anything.
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And then later I will organize it
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and bring it into my mind map.
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And the second one in the stack is my scratch pad.
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So I do keep a scratch,
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but like a general scratch pad in notes.
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So I thought, okay, this could be another corner
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for combining icons and widgets, because I don't feel like I want to go all widgets for
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my first page of the home screen. I still think I want to have a combination of icons
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and widgets. There are some weird limitations, though. You cannot have a small widget surrounded
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by two icons. You always need to have four icons in a corner and a small widget in the
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other corner. I wish there was a little more flexibility in terms of like the
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layouts and the placement of icons, maybe next year, we'll see. And then I thought
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okay so now my first page I have these two distinct areas and I feel pretty
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good about them so we'll see how it goes. Then I thought okay what do I
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want to do for the second page? And right now I'm playing around with this idea of
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of, on the second home screen, instead of having more icons, the second page I want
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to do just widgets. And so the theme, if you wish, right now for the second page is Glanceable
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Life Updates, which is not a great name, but it gives you the idea. So I have the Calendar
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widget, the Reminders widget, Weather, and the Batteries widget, which is not great,
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but I couldn't figure out anything else that could add that kind of context.
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You just put in a mole in there, right?
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Yeah, the big calendar layout, the big calendar widget...
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No, actually this is the medium one.
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So medium calendar, medium reminders, small weather, small batteries.
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This is what I'm doing at the moment.
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Then I have the third page, and I'm probably going to hide everything here as well.
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So realistically I think I'm going to end up with the first home screen,
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a second page just with widgets, and then the App Library.
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And I'm gonna use this for a while
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and I'm gonna see how it works.
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Now, this is very temporary because I do believe
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that everything is gonna change once third-party developers
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can adopt widgets.
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Still, in this experimentation phase,
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I can tell you a bunch of things that I think,
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a bunch of thoughts that I have.
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It's gonna be really challenging for me,
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about the App Library, it's gonna be really challenging
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for me to accept the lack of control. The fact that, like I get it, like a lot of people
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could use the automatic organization, and I think it's, you know, I know a lot of folks
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like John, for example, a friend of the show, John Voorhis, could use something like the
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app library to organize his hundreds and hundreds of apps that he has on his phone. But I'm
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the kind of person who likes to control everything, especially on my computer and especially on
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my phone, so the inability to say "no, this folder, the way that you name this folder
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is not right", I kind of dislike that. And also, my other problem right now, and sure
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enough could be just a beta thing and things can change between now and September, I don't
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think they will, but they can, there are just some odd limitations with widgets at the moment,
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and I wanted to mention three of them, three different widgets.
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Files, so the Files widget, which is new in Beta 2, is OK, it shows you your recently
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modified, I guess, files.
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And it's nice because you can tap on an individual file and it'll open, and it also shows you
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the app that opened the file, so like, IARider for example has a little text document in
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my files widget, and there's a little IA Writer icon next to it, because it is a
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markdown document that I open in IA Writer, so that's nice. But what I really
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would like to do with the files widget is just let me create a small widget
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that opens as either a specific file or a specific folder in the files app.
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That's literally all I want. Like, I want to have a quick, like, bookmark, if you
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wish to a folder or a file. That's all I want, and it's not possible right now.
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Music, like the Music widget, I really like. I also like in the Medium layout.
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In the Small layout it shows you a single item, a single recently played item.
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And in the Medium and Big layout, and Large layout, it shows you multiple
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recently played items. But I have the same problem with files here. The app defaults to showing you
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recently, in this case, played albums or songs, and I just want to be able to go in there and
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configure the widget and say "I want to create a widget that opens this playlist" or opens this
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his album or opens this section of music. Like, I don't want to be constrained to recently
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played by the widgets. Like, let me configure... You have this system that allows me to configure
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widgets. Why is this one limited to recently played stuff? Like, there's so much more content
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that I could choose from, and it's totally possible to do it. So I honestly don't get
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especially the music one, that's where a third party could come in and make something.
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Sure, they could do that maybe. And lastly, shortcuts. So shortcuts, I feel like it is a very good widget in the sense that they use...
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and I mean it's no surprise because widget configuration is based on the Intents framework, which of course the Siri and shortcuts team are in charge of.
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The Shortcuts widget uses configuration to let you pick a folder of shortcuts that you want to display in the widget.
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So because of that, you can have multiple Shortcuts widgets on your home screen,
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each showing you widgets from a specific folder in the app. So that's very cool.
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My main problem with the Shortcuts widget is that it wastes a lot of space.
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It has like... you could double the amount of shortcuts you can have in your configuration.
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You could honestly double the number of shortcuts because they use these rectangles for individual shortcuts.
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And they are quite large.
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They're comically large.
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They are super big and I feel like if I'm the kind of person who's going to use the shortcuts widget
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and is going to configure the shortcuts widget, I probably know what I'm doing and I probably know how to use this one.
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and I feel like I don't need the giant top target for, you know... I mean, in the
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large version of the widget, you can only see eight shortcuts, and I feel like you
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could show 16 or maybe even 20. So I do like everything else about the widget. I
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do love the fact that shortcuts from the widget now run with Compact UI, so you
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can have interactions on the home screen, including...
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Question for you on that.
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Do some of your widgets load really slowly sometimes?
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Yes, yes they do.
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Not the only one then.
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You're not the only one and some of my shortcuts also don't run anymore at all.
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And that's to be expected I guess with every new version of shortcuts every summer.
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I've had a day today where I've had to start trying to rebuild one.
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It was on its last legs anyway, like it was a workflow action, right?
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it was, do you remember Federico? You made this one. It was to take, I think it was things,
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like basically to take a bunch of text and add them, like it was to basically take a
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template set of tasks and add it to things.
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That's something I would do, yes.
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I was using that widget, well that shortcut still, and it's completely broken now.
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That's from like three years ago, I think.
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It was a bit ropey, so now I'm rebuilding it with the native actions and going from there.
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Yeah, so I think honestly these are some very specific complaints about widgets and maybe
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they will get fixed, maybe not.
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But I think the bigger picture here is that I'm gonna have a hard time letting go of the
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home screen grid because I'm just so used to it and because with icons you can pack
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a lot of them on a single page, and with widgets you cannot. On the other hand, I really like
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widgets, even though they're not as interactive as I enjoyed, but this is a bigger discussion
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for later. I really like widgets, and I really like having these glanceable tiles on my home
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screen, and I know I want to use them, and I want to use them a lot, but in using them
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a lot, I'm gonna end up with multiple pages anyway. So if I'm gonna have multiple pages on my iPhone,
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and because the App Library I can only reach by swiping all the way to the right,
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do I even wanna use it? Because it's like counterintuitive in some way, because the App
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Library you can only reach if you scroll all the way to the right side of the home screen.
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But then if you want to use widgets a lot, the App Library gets more difficult to get to.
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And I sort of wish that the App Library replaced the "Today" view on the iPhone,
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or I wish that it was easier to access in some other way, because I find myself in the situation
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where, OK, I want to use a lot of widgets, but I also want to use the App Library, but then it
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feels like I kind of need to choose between the two of them, right? Because if
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I want to use a lot of widgets then it takes me like multiple swipes on screen
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to open the library and I just wish that it was easier. So, again, I don't know what
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to do at the moment. Everything is a mess and I'm playing around with a
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bunch of different approaches and I'm not yet sure which one is best for me
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but what I do know is that this is very difficult because I'm the kind of nerd
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who thinks a lot about home screen layouts, and I need to undo 13-something years of home screen tinkering.
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I would have liked App Library to be a swipe up on the home screen.
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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well. Like, make it easier somehow. Use one of the gestures that you're not using on the home screen.
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But also, yeah, I guess swipe up on the icons could work.
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Because right now--
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- Yeah, like in the same way that you swipe down
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to get the search. - Down to search,
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you could swipe up to, yeah, that could work actually.
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- I feel like I know why they put it at the end though.
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- Yeah, like conceptually, I can understand
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what's the thinking, the ledger there.
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But also it takes, like, I don't like swiping
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multiple times to open it, you know?
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Steven, where are you with this?
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- I like the app library,
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but I'm not sure it's gonna be
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completely game-changing for me.
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So all I've really done at this point is
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I got rid of all my folders.
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So I've had three home screens for a while,
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sort of primary apps, secondary apps,
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and then a bunch of folders at the end.
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All of those folders got removed
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and just dumped into the app library.
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- I have widgets on all three of my screens still,
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So I kept three screens and I've got widgets
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taking up two, like I guess four by two at the top.
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Some of them are two widgets,
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like I have weather and calendar side by side.
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I like Efederico, I'm just waiting for third party widgets
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'cause I think it's all temporary until then.
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So I've retained the three screens
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and getting rid of the folders and adding the widgets,
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it basically balanced out where what I have available to me
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is roughly the same and things are kind of roughly
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in the same place, but it took some fiddling to get there.
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I do think App Library is in the wrong place.
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I feel like there's a lot of confusion
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and like unnecessary complication.
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Like why is it not available in the search field
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if I pull down, like why is it way over there?
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I just don't, I wish they could consolidate
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some of that stuff.
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- Yeah, that's also true.
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It feels like, and especially with search,
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it feels like you have the same feature in two places,
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but it's slightly different in each instance of it.
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So yeah, and also like, oh,
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I wanted to mention something else.
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Another approach could be
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to have an entirely dynamic home screen
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in the sense that what you can do
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is take the series suggestions widget,
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use it in the large configuration.
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That widget is gonna show you icons,
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like regular app icons, but those icons are chosen by Siri.
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So you could have like a quote unquote
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intelligent home screen that uses a traditional layout,
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but is actually entirely powered by suggestions.
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That's also something that you could consider,
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or maybe like just one area of a home screen page,
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you could have like some static icons
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that you manually place, and then the other ones
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could just rotate based on Siri suggestions,
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and you wouldn't know, because when you place it
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the home screen, I believe only the text label of the icons is different when
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they are based on the Series Suggestions widget, I think. Like, the text label of
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the icon is slightly dimmed when it's from the Series Suggestions widget.
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So that's also an approach. Yeah, there's a lot to do here,
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and I honestly don't know what it's gonna end up looking like at the
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moment. And I can also say that we're gonna talk about it at some point. The
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more I spend time on my iPhone configuring things and playing around with different widgets
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and the app library, the more it doesn't make any sense to me that you cannot place widgets
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anywhere on the iPad home screen. It absolutely makes no sense. Like the app library missing
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an iPad, I can sort of maybe make an argument for it, but widgets, no. No, it doesn't make
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So I immediately got rid of everything.
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I have no folders, no second screen.
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I have a 4 by 4 grid of apps and then the dock.
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And I completely reorganized my home screen.
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Nothing is in its original position, really,
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for any particular reason anymore.
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I've redone it.
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I have a widget stack at the top.
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And this is just where I'm going to be for now, probably
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for the next couple of months.
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I plan to like, I want to have a completely different home screen by the time iOS 14 is
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And I really want to go heavy on widgets because I feel like there's probably of the, I don't
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know, of the 16 apps that I have, I reckon maybe five or six of them, I will probably
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replace their icons with widgets anyway.
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Like FantasticOwl is going to have a widget, surely.
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I won't have the app icon on my screen anymore.
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Carrot weather, I won't have the app icon on my screen anymore.
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I hope that Google makes one for Google Maps and that's gone.
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Like Timery, that will be gone.
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So then I will be able to have these applications in a way that makes more sense to me.
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Because I'm going to get used to, as I have, scrolling through the stacks.
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Trusting that iOS is going to give me what I want sometimes, but other than that I know
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it's going to be in one of the stacks.
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also like I have been a search to open app person for a long time which is why I was
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so happy to get rid of my other screens because nothing had any organization after the first
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screen right and like the idea of Apple creating folders for me in the app library I actually
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kind of like because now I don't have to think about what folders things go in anymore like
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I couldn't stand it and I've been using the app library as well though like I've been
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going I have been scrolling over there a lot and I will say I think it's doing a pretty
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good job of showing me the applications that I need most of the time. So like when I swipe
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over like to get to my bank app, like it's there because I keep swiping over and opening
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it. So like you I'm training the system at the same time, right? And so like I think
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that's fine. And honestly, like I know what you mean that some of the categorization is
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weird. Like that bank app is in the productivity category, which is like not what I would have
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done but like I'm not paying attention to the folders that they're in right I'm kind of learning
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just learning where they are because really like my folders that I created they started to make
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no sense right because I was running out of space so I was just throwing things in like a folder
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that only kind of made sense like I had a folder called tools that had just everything like just
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anything and everything in it. So I'm kind of happy to get rid of that honestly. And
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it's also helping me get rid of some of my applications because I opened those pre-made
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folders, and I'm like "what is that app?" and I just delete it. So it's helping me get
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rid of some stuff too. So I actually like, the app library is fine, but the main thing
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for me was just removing home screen clutter was what I wanted to do the most and that's
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where like when I start seeing more widgets, I'm excited to be able to like really get
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rid of more and more of that stuff.
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It's really difficult.
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I might not do the widgets, like might not go as heavy on the widgets thing, right?
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Like it might be that I realized that no, I still want my calendar app icon on the home
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screen as well as having the widget.
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Like I just don't know yet.
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But the thing that I'm excited about is the possibility to change it all up.
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And I probably will have a second screen that just has widgets on as well.
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But that feels better to me than just having more and more app icon screens.
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It's very exciting though, imagining this feature where there's so many different widgets
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to choose from.
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And I know that it's gonna kind of not be that good when certain widgets are gonna lose
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some of that functionality that they have right now, like the Timery widget.
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I know it's gonna be different and maybe the developer will be able to replicate it in
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in some way, even though we already know that certain animations and interactions from the
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current widget for Timery will not be possible in iOS 14. But maybe there's a way to mitigate
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those with a different design, with a different activation, I don't know. But I think it's
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exciting that having these widgets and all the concepts that I've seen on Twitter of
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developers working on them, they look beautiful. I don't know if it's because of SwiftUI making
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easier for developers to make something that looks pretty and modern. I'm sure
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that's part of the part of the equation here. I also think that because it's
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because they are kind of have to be simple right because you can't be in
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like you can't really make there's no point covering them in buttons yeah I
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think it's that's helping a little bit of the design stuff because people are
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making things that are just more visual rather than covering the widgets and
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buttons. I think too though there'll be an element where we all go widget
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bananas and then scale it back. And then bring it back. We're gonna go widget wild for a while.
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And then we'll... Widget wild! I guess that's why I'm having a tough time because I'm
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like trying to think ahead because I know that I've done this before and I
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know that it's not gonna work so it's taking me longer because I'm trying to
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to skip that step of, oh, I want to go all in.
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And instead, I'm trying to think,
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what's a balanced approach?
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And that's why I think it's taking me longer,
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because I know that I could go all in with the widgets.
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And I know that I'm going to hate myself for doing that,
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because I cannot let go of icons completely.
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I guess that's my issue right now.
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And I'm honestly staring at my phone.
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I'm not even doing anything, just thinking.
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for like longer than it would be acceptable for a normal human being to do.
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Like you're sitting on my home screen and thinking without doing nothing.
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I think that does it for this week.
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Analog. Go check out Analog. You can find Federico on Twitter @Vittici.
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He is the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net. We didn't get to talk about
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Federico's current status of his iOS 14 review, but I assure you it is underway
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and coming to us all this fall, which is very exciting. What if he just decided
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not to bother this year we'll never know because we didn't talk about it.
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Or now he's on the hook because I mentioned it.
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Yeah, thank you Stephen, I appreciate it.
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Until next time guys, say goodbye.