309: A Honeycomb of Circuits and Coils
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From Real AFM, this is Connected, episode 309.
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Today's show is brought to you by TextExpander from Smile and Pingdom.
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My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Federico Vittucci. Ciao Federico.
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Ciao Myke. Old school intro. I love it.
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I know. I had to, you know, I don't do this very often,
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so I had to really think to myself what show I was doing an intro for.
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at that moment, 'cause you know, I'm old now,
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so I forget these things.
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No Steven today, Steven had a plumbing emergency.
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- It's just not a good thing to have.
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- Let me tell you, plumbing emergencies.
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- So me and Steven were talking a couple of days ago,
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'cause we have a call every Monday.
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It's our stand up, because we're a business, you know,
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so we have a stand up on a Monday.
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What's morning for him, afternoon for me.
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And I think he had to move it, or we had to skip it,
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I don't even remember now, who knows.
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'Cause he was having his fuse box changed.
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Like something like electricity wise.
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- I have no idea what that is, but okay.
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- You know when your lights go off
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and you have to flick a switch to get them to come back on
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'cause it's tripped to fuse, yeah.
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So that's a fuse box.
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- But I, what's, I don't know what, I don't have a fuse.
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Like is that an object that you're supposed to have?
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Like what does it look like?
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Okay, so let me Google fuse box.
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Or like breakers, you know like circuit breakers
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I think they're called in America.
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- It's called fuse box.
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Okay, yeah I do have this.
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- Yeah, so he had that replaced I believe.
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- Because all electricity.
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And I think we had a conversation about something
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along the lines of oh, you're always having stuff
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changed over, you'll probably be okay for a bit. Two days later, basically from what
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I can gather, Steven just has no plumbing now, what I was able to gather from his situation.
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So I believe in my heart of hearts that all connected listeners should be sending messages
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of actual real support to Steven at this time. So I would suggest that everybody tweets at
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him with like we support you Steven and then your favorite plumbing related emoji.
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Plumbing yeah plumbing or water related emoji.
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Yeah so you could send him a toilet or you could send him a shower
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and then you could do one better when it comes to support and you could donate to
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Saint Jude because that's what you should be doing everybody should be doing right now.
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Go to SaintJude.org/relay I'm really excited because we've had a great week so far
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and I'm super super thankful for everybody that has donated so far.
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I'm just bringing up the page now Federico so I can say to our listeners that we are at
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$24,400 dollars raised which is absolutely fantastic. I am so so thankful for everybody
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that has donated any money so far but there's a lot more of you that can and let me tell you
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a little bit about why you should do that. St. Jude is an incredible place and
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they do incredible things and we are working with them throughout August and
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then into September because September is Child Cancer Awareness Month. So this is
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a time that we're where we want to work with them and we get together to make
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sure that we're doing what we can to try and help these children that need it.
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Between 180,000 and 240,000 children are diagnosed every single
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year with cancer, which is an unbelievable amount. Treatments invented at St. Jude's
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Children's Research Hospital have helped push the overall childhood cancer survival rate from 20%
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to more than 80% since it opened more than 50 years ago. And St. Jude's mission is to not stop
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until no child dies from cancer. So you can support St. Jude's life-saving mission of finding cures
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and saving children during Childhood Cancer Awareness Month by going to stjude.org/relay.
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that is stduo.org/relay to donate now.
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And we're doing some fun stuff this year.
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We've really upped our game.
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So we've mentioned already that we're doing the podcast
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of fun from 2 to 8 p.m. Eastern on Friday, September 18th
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at twitch.tv/relayfm.
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But when you're on our donation page,
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you'll see that we've put in a bunch of milestones this year.
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And when we hit the milestones,
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we're going to be doing special streams or releasing videos.
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So the first one that we're going to hit
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is when we hit $25,000, which I think will happen at some point today.
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Steven is going to release a video that he's done called "Identifying Laptops by Feel."
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I think it was Dongles that he did this with a while ago.
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He has blindfolded.
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He likes to touch electronics.
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When he has a blindfold and he has his wife involved.
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It's kind of strange that he wants to show his thing to the world,
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but like, you know, you do you, my friend, you know.
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If that's what you want to do, then you go for it.
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But that's Steven's special thing that he gets to share with all of us.
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We all have ours.
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We all have our thing.
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So he's done one about laptops.
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I have watched the video already and he's going to release that on the Fire12Pixels
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YouTube channel when we pass that first milestone.
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And then we have a bunch of other streams that we're going to do.
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The next one after that is going to be something that I'm going to do.
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So when we hit $30,000 raised, I'm gonna do a Twitch stream showing my iPad setup, kind
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of like, these are the apps that I use, this is how I have them arranged, and do a kind
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of Q&A like thing on that, so that's the first thing.
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When we hit $70,000, Steven is going to livestream installing his Mac Pro wheels that he bought.
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So he did buy them?
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He did buy them, and he's not putting them on his Mac Pro until we hit $70,000, and when
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we do hit it, he's gonna livestream it.
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So we need to hit 70,000.
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I mean, it must happen at this point.
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Yes, and when we hit 100,000 we're going to try and play Microsoft Flight Simulator.
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Which is the thing these days, right?
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Which is the thing these days.
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Flight Simulator.
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And then these are some things that we're doing when we hit certain milestones, but
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we're also going to be doing some streams for timed events as well.
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So this coming this Friday, so that's going to be August 28th at 11am Eastern on Twitch.tv/RelayFM.
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Steven and myself are going to be playing Untitled Goose Game for your enjoyment, so
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you can check that out there.
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So this is the theme of September, right?
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We're raising money and we're having fun while we do it.
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So we're going to be doing loads of stuff as we get up towards the podcastathon itself
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on September 18th.
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So once again, go to stjude.org/relay to donate and we'll be very, very thankful for that.
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I have the pleasure of being a part of many text threads and channels with you.
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And one of them today, you said that you were going to be going back to Apple Arcade.
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They got me again.
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And I think I told you this a while ago, like if once they have that game that I really
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want to play, I guess at that point I would be forced to subscribe again. Well, it looks
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like that game is finally almost upon us, coming up tomorrow I think on Apple Arcade.
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The game is The Last Campfire. So The Last Campfire is a joint collaboration, I guess,
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from Hello Games, so the makers of No Man's Sky, obviously, and the developers of Lost
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except that it looks fantastic and I love the music, I love the atmosphere.
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When I saw the trailer, I believe last year, I fell in love with the look and the feel and
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yes, again, the atmosphere of this game immediately.
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It's a title that I really want to play. I think it lends itself very well to being played on an iPad Pro.
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It's also coming to PlayStation 4 and Switch and Xbox.
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But I think this is the kind of game that I really want to play on an iPad.
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you know, holding the display in front of me, you know, with these kinds of graphics.
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Yeah, so this is coming out tomorrow on Apple Arcade.
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These are like some top tier developers working on this game, and it's...
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My main point, I guess, this is the kind of game that I want to see more from Apple Arcade, as we discussed a few months ago.
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2D platform game, not another puzzle game, not another co-op,
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multiplayer sports-like game, this is exactly what I want to have on my
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iPad Pro with Apple Arcade, so I'm gonna subscribe again. While I'm at it, I guess I will check out some of the other
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new releases that I have missed lately. I think there's another
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what's it called? Samurai Jack game that came out last week on Apple Arcade. So yeah,
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I'll give it another try and then I guess I'll see what happens if they do announce a bundle for Apple services
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But maybe next month maybe in October whenever that is
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If they do announce a bundle, I will get the bundle anyway, so but I really want to play this one. It looks beautiful
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I love the developers behind this. So yeah, they got me again with this one. We'll see if I find anything else worth playing
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Yeah, Samurai Jack is apparently the new one. There's also, for people that like it, there's a Game of Thrones game
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that's meant to be pretty good, but I wouldn't know because I don't understand Game of Thrones.
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Yeah, yeah. I really wish that I could...
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I know that it's never gonna happen, but you know the game that everybody's playing on PlayStation these days, Fall Guys?
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Fall Guys, yeah.
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Yeah, I kind of want to play that one.
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I want to play it too. I haven't yet, but it's been on my mind to play it.
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Maybe I could actually maybe add that into it for a stream for some point.
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Can you play together with another friend?
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I don't know.
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Because I've seen some of the Twitch streamers that I follow that play competitive Pokemon,
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they do like to play other things as well and I've seen some people play Fall Guys lately
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and it looks very fun and messy and colorful, which is exactly what I want.
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I'm not shooting people for a change, which is nice.
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It's a battle royale game, which is just an obstacle course.
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Yes, and it looks very fun and I love the design of the little creatures.
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So yeah, that one I'm probably gonna play as well.
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I saw a headline today that it's like the most downloaded PS Plus game of all time.
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Yeah, which is wild because it came out like what, a month ago?
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On PS Plus, it's been out for a while.
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This was like one of those things that was really interesting.
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I'd never heard of this game and then a game journalist that I follow,
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I don't remember who it was but I follow a bunch of game journalists,
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was like, "This game is coming out on PS Plus.
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It's going to take over the world
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because it's going to be free to people on PlayStation."
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And it immediately happened, right?
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Like, within a couple of days, it was all I was seeing.
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And what I love is it's from, like,
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a, I think, a relatively small developer.
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- Mediatonic, right? - Yeah.
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- And you know what?
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I think Shahid told us years ago
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that this was, like, a legit studio,
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that they were working on some crazy things.
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- Maybe that's it. - And once again,
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Once again he was right.
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As always, if you don't know who Shahid is, you should.
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Shahid Ahmad is our co-host on Ringmaster, which is our monthly video game show that
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the three of us do here on relay FM.
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If you don't listen to it, you should check it out.
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The last episode was a history of the PlayStation Portable, or the PSP, as you may know.
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You can go and listen to that.
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If you like hearing us talk about video games, that's the place to go to get it.
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Talking about video games.
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I'm happy you're back this week.
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Because you thought you could get away with it, but no, we're going to talk about Epic.
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I want to give a very quick update as to where we are today from where we were last week.
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So Apple threatened to pull Epic's developer accounts from the App Store.
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Basically anything Epic related was going to be kicked out on Friday, August 28th at
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the end of this week.
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Epic filed a secondary legal thing, basically a restraining order on that.
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So that was that.
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Then side note, Apple held up the WordPress iOS app, wanting them to put IAP for WordPress.com
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accounts into the WordPress application.
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This got out to the press, then Apple changed course and apologized.
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Then we go back to Epic.
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wins a temporary restraining order in court to stop Apple from terminating their developer
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account regarding the Unreal Engine. This is from the lawsuit. It was Judge Yvonne Gonzalez-Rogers
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said Epic Games and Apple are at liberty to litigate against each other, but their dispute
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should not create havoc to bystanders, which I think is an excellent judgment to make.
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In the same ruling, Judge Rogers, Gonzalez Rogers, also ruled that Apple does not need
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to reinstate Fortnite to the App Store, which is another thing that Epic were asking for
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with the restraining order, saying, "The current predicament appears of Epic's own making,"
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which is also completely valid.
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Epic made this happen to themselves.
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They knew they broke the rules.
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But there's still more to come.
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So what we've got here is just a temporary order.
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So Epic and Apple will now create larger cases to work out if this is going to be a permanent
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order that Apple can't get rid of Epic's developer account related to the Unreal Engine.
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This is going to be heard in September 28th.
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The original case that Epic filed, so going back to when they actually had the lawsuit
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that they hit on that day when they got kicked out of the store, that could take a year before
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that's heard in court because it's a much, much bigger case.
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Now, so the thing is, right, so on Friday, the Fortnite developer account could and probably
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will be kicked out of the store, but it doesn't really make a difference at this point.
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Because Epic is not going to, they're clearly not going to update the application.
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Like, they're just going to sit on this for a while, with my assumption.
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And if we can, I mean, our assumptions, I think we are correct now in our assumption
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Like if they get rid of the developer account, it doesn't get rid of the game for people,
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which was, you know, it's just like a question mark because this kind of stuff doesn't happen
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But this isn't going to, for the time being, or probably at all, honestly, considering
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this initial rule then, going to affect the Unreal Engine account.
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So Apple can't get rid of all of Epic's stuff.
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And you know, to kind of paraphrase the case a little bit, it's like, it's a little bit
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like it's retaliatory, like that was the word
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that the judge used,
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is that it was retaliatory on Apple's part
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to kind of want to get rid of all of it,
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seemed a bit much, right?
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They have multiple developer accounts
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that things are related to.
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And the new season of Fortnite starts this weekend,
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and it's not going to be on iOS or the Mac,
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so I think there is a little bit there from Epic's part
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that they're just deciding not to bring it to the Mac.
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Better swivel in there, right, right?
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Same reason as it's within Apple's rights,
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right to say get out of the store, it's within Apple's right to say fine your platform's
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not going to benefit from our content. So that's kind of where we are. I've had a lot
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to say about this on this show and other shows, but I wanted to hear your thoughts because
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I don't really think you've expressed them anywhere yet.
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Yeah. So I just want to say up front that I tend to be, in my life, I tend to be a person
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that follows the rules. However, I also think that in extreme situations, for the rules
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to change, you gotta break the rules. Win-ingly. It's something that I firmly believe. And
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I have very complicated thoughts on this whole saga, this whole thing. And I would like to
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start by discussing some of the basic, very basic ideas and very basic themes. Like, I
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I don't want to get into the technicalities of Fortnite.
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Can it be redownload?
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Like some basic ideas that I have.
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So the first one that I would like to address is
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this idea that Epic is going after Apple,
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they're suing Apple.
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And some people are saying, well,
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why didn't you sue also Sony and Nintendo
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and console makers?
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After all, iOS devices are consoles.
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And I kept, first when I first saw these comments,
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I thought that people were joking.
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Then I saw that they were actually serious about it,
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comparing iOS devices to consoles.
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And that to me is,
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well, it's the wrong perspective, I will say.
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I will use this expression.
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And that's because, like, there's a fundamental difference
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between a PlayStation and an iPhone.
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There's a fundamental difference between an Xbox and an iPad
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which is you buy an Xbox and you buy a PlayStation
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and let's face it, you're gonna buy them
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to put them under a TV and play video games.
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Whereas an iPhone is a computer and an iPad is a computer.
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And I don't think nobody needs to be educated
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on the differences between a console and a computer, right?
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We all know them.
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This to me feels like a very convenient argument
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to make right now.
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Because until a few months ago, until a few years ago,
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when it was convenient to say so, iPhones were computers.
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- It's also worth noting that the argument
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that John Gruber and others are making about console
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has included gaming consoles, but also like the quote unquote
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term of console, meaning like that it is like a closed thing
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or like that it is a heavily controlled thing.
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But ultimately--
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Can you offer other examples of a closed computer
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that is not an iPhone?
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See, that's the problem.
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I'm sure there are examples, and maybe you
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need a lot of computer history to get them.
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But the point that I'm making, like what
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The point I'm wanting to get to here is like,
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I am agreeing with you and what you're saying,
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what you're about to say.
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The iOS devices are computers.
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They are computers.
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- It was convenient to call them computers
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when it was about, for example,
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comparing the number of Windows PCs sold
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and say, well, Apple is selling more computers
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if you count iPhones and iPads
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than the industry is selling PCs.
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So it feels to me like sometimes it's convenient
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to call them computers and other times it's not,
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which I think it's kind of funny and interesting to observe.
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- Yeah, I mean Apple calls the iPad a computer.
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All the time they call it a computer.
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They call it a personal computer.
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- They do, they do.
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And a console, so let's say, well, some people are saying,
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well, we don't mean a console in the sense
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of a gaming console, of course,
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an iPhone and an iPad are not gaming consoles.
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We mean it in the sense of a closed platform.
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And that's really my issue right now.
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So it's perfectly in Apple's right to say, "Well, this is a closed platform, and we get to decide which kind of apps, which kind of software it runs."
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And to me, I think—and this is basically like, some people will say, "Well, it's Apple Store. They make their own rules, and either you follow the rules, or you don't,
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and we don't care if you don't want to follow them,
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you're gonna kicked out of the store.
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And I get it, right?
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But what I'm asking, so my basic question is,
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is this a great situation to be in?
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Like, I get it, yes.
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It's, let's call it a console, right,
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in the sense of a closed computer.
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But is it really something that you like?
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Like, do you think this is really
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a great situation to be in?
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Because let's, and I guess this is the,
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also another key problem, some people, myself included, would argue that at this point,
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an iPhone should be considered an essential utility, right?
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Yes, yes, without a shadow of a doubt. Smartphones in general, but yes.
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Smartphones in general, and that includes the iPhone. And you can, you know, I'm obviously
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I'm no lawyer, I'm no antitrust historian, but I've been doing some reading on the side
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and from what I understand there's this idea of the essential facility doctrine, right?
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Which is the idea that some utilities are considered essential to the public, to the market.
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And, you know, the theory goes that sometimes a monopolist creates these bottlenecks
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that basically prevent competitors from entering the market. And so you have these essential
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utilities that are essential to people, however there can be no competition around them.
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And I would argue that an iPhone falls under that, you know, that categorization.
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Well I think if it maybe to try and expand out a little more, so like one of the the key ones
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that's always spoken about here is like the railroads, right? So like if you imagine that the
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iPhone is the train tracks and the apps are the trains and
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If the company that owns the train track can decide which trains run on the train tracks
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It kind of stops the ability for there to be other people involved, right?
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This stuff exactly all this stuff gets way more complicated
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Because Apple makes apps now in many of the areas that they're stopping their competitors from being in
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That's what makes this whole thing as bad as it is. If Apple wasn't in a lot of these businesses
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Whilst it still wouldn't be great. You can kind of say like, you know
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They're trying to do their store the way they want to do it and blah blah blah, but like they are creating situations where?
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By the fact that they are the way they are with the App Store
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It allows them to have a competitive advantage whether they're doing it for that reason or not
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it allows them to have that ability.
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- Yeah, so you look at the App Store, right?
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And when you consider the conflict of interest
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that there is between, say, something like Apple Arcade
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and Microsoft wanting to bring something like Game Pass
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to the App Store, I mean, or Apple Music and Spotify.
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What's the last time that you saw Apple, you know,
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on the App Store advertise the latest update to Spotify.
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And I mean, of course they won't,
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because they have their own, not a litigation going,
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but Spotify complaining publicly about Apple,
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so they're never gonna do it.
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But basically, here's what I believe.
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I believe an iPhone is, in 2020,
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well over a decade into its life,
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should be considered, an iPhone,
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just like any other smartphone,
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an essential utility to everyday life, unlike a PlayStation or a Nintendo Switch or whatever.
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And because it is an essential utility, I believe it is so important to make sure that
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there can be competition, there can be a diverse set of apps and software running on the iPhone.
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Now, I also get it. I understand that the way that Apple designs iOS and iPadOS comes
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with certain limitations, certain technical limitations for security, for privacy, which
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I fully respect and endorse personally. But that doesn't stop competition from happening
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still, because Spotify and Epic and Microsoft and Hey and all these other folks, they can
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make apps, right, make them run on the iPhone and respect the technical
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limitations of the sandbox and all the other things that Apple likes them to do.
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But the problem here is that, you know, we are now in the situation
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where developers, they either have to pay up a 30% fee or they, you know, if they
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want to do anything that's an alternative to that, they can't. And the
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risk of getting kicked out of the App Store.
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And the big thing today is like, for what?
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What's the fee for?
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Like, I believe that 30% is too high.
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It's just to have the ability to be on the platform.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And if it wasn't too high, then why some companies like Amazon, for example, get a special deal,
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If it wasn't too high, they wouldn't be getting a special deal.
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But if they get a special deal, there'd be no deal to give, right?
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There'd be no special qualifier to put it firmly.
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When everything is fair, there's no specialty about it.
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It's just what it is.
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Why would you use it as a bargaining chip?
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Which is what they used when they wanted things done by Amazon.
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If you're offering me a deal, it means that there's something that isn't a deal for me.
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And so you're offering me a different version of the same thing.
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That is the definition of "let's make a deal."
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I like to think about all this stuff in very simple terms.
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There's lawyers, it's complicated.
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I get it. But here's my basic question for you and everybody else. If you're Apple, in this situation,
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is this good for you? I can't understand how this is still happening at this point. Like, I
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cannot fathom it. Is this a great situation to be in? Like, no matter if you're... if you say,
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"Well, technically we are right, and the law is behind us, and we're gonna win in court." Okay,
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Fine. But like, looking at it from the outside, from a developer's perspective, from a consumer's perspective,
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is this a great thing to do? And I don't think it is.
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No, it's not. Like, go ahead and find Epic if you want to, right? Like, they've done what they've done.
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You can be happy about that or unhappy about that, whatever. But why keep doing this?
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like why keep trying to shake developers down, right?
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Like this WordPress thing, it was something that Apple was progressing
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until the spotlight got turned back on them and then they're like, "Whoopsies, sorry."
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Right? Like every couple of days there is a new one of these stories, right?
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Like, it keeps happening.
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I was thinking today when preparing for this show,
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I think it feels pretty clear that something changed
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internally at Apple in June of this year.
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-Mm-hmm. Yeah. -Like, that Hey got caught up in
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and went public with it, which then kind of outed
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all these other companies that were, you know,
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that have been having these problems or, like,
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you're hearing first, second, third hand from someone
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that they've had an app held up.
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Like, it seems like something changed and now Apple really wants this money.
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They want their in-app purchase money more than ever.
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I don't know why they've made that change and I don't know why they are so clearly sticking to it.
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And if the result of all of this is not some kind of change in the rules,
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they're setting themselves up for, I think, a bad few years at this point.
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One of the reasons that I was thinking about the fact that this stuff has changed, or at
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least Apple's thinking has changed, is there have been problems like this in the past,
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But it was the summer of this year where they started using this wording of like, "You've
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had a free app on the store for so long and you've been using all our tools and you haven't
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contributed towards the App Store."
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And they keep bringing this out, right?
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They keep bringing it out for every case.
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I'm paying you a fee. It's well within my rights to not pay you anything else because you make it possible for me to do so.
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But like they keep, every time there's one of these situations, they keep bringing this wording out, right?
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Yeah, I know. Yeah.
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And so this was clearly some kind of tone change and now they keep bringing it up all the time.
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And it's disconcerting, I think.
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Couple more things.
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So the big issue here, of course, is that Apple doesn't allow developers to offer their
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own payment systems.
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And I see a lot of people saying, "Well, this is because Apple wants to keep the security
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of the platform and they don't want you to submit your payment information elsewhere
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and they want you to use the secure in-app purchase system."
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Now, I do agree that In-App purchases are potentially more secure, and I will tell you,
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more comfortable to use than other things, right? Because all my info is already on file
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and everything else. But, like, all other types of computers, they let you run games
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and apps that you can just pay for stuff anywhere. Like, there's like this thing called e-commerce,
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which is like an entire industry that's been around for like 30 years and it's fine and
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people buy stuff online all the time. Like I don't get like this security scare that
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some people would like you to convince that it's real. Yes, it's real. Some people get
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their credit cards stolen and cloned and whatever, but like that happens in everyday life as
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well. Like it's not like Apple is sort of just suddenly saving you from this thing called
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purchasing goods online. Like, people do it all the time. It's not something that doesn't
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exist outside of the App Store. And second thing, I think it's kind of funny how a lot
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of people appreciate the Mac because in addition to the App Store, it lets you install apps
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from outside sources. And this feature of the Mac Gatekeeper is often celebrated as
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one of the most important advantages over iOS and iPadOS. And so sometimes that feature
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is great, but now when it comes to Apple and Epic, it's not. And I don't get this double
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standard because either you think it's a great feature to have or you don't think it is,
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Or you think it's only great to have when it's convenient to think so.
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I think it's about time that the Mac became a console.
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So, if you follow that logic, either the Mac needs to become a console, or Gatekeeper needs
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to come to iOS, which would be about time, right?
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You think about time, that's what you say on that?
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That's something you want.
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You want to install applications for iOS.
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Absolutely, yes.
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like two weeks ago when the lawsuit came out, I started tweeting about
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like the debate, like this is my basic, my ultimate conclusion is why doesn't Gatekeeper
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exist on iOS? Like it would solve so many problems and all of this would just go away and you would
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have a secure, if you care about security, you would have a secure system that lets you install apps,
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that lets Apple revoke those apps, and we could argue about that and whether that's fair, we can
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We can talk about Gatekeeper, but that's another topic.
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But that would solve a lot of problems, right?
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Just like it's a popular and widely used solution
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on the Mac made and controlled by Apple,
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it would exist on iOS and iPadOS as well.
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And then I started read, so I tweeted that,
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and then I started reading the lawsuit,
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and sure enough, which by the way,
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the first few pages of the lawsuit,
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if you haven't read those, I highly recommend you do,
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because I really think that Apple's lawyers,
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the Epic's lawyers, they make a really cogent
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and well thought out case.
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- Yeah, I've seen a lot of people say that
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that is purposeful.
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So this is not how lawsuits are typically written
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to be so clear.
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And the thinking is because they want people to read it,
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like me and you, and understand it.
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Sure enough, one of their points is Apple already makes a solution for their other computers,
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which is called Gatekeeper, that lets you install apps from other sources.
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And we ask that this kind of feature should also exist on iOS and iPadOS.
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And you can get defensive about this whole thing, right?
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And if you like Apple...
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We all like Apple.
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We all buy...
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If you listen to the show...
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We love the company.
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We love the company.
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We don't like...
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I love my iPhone, I love my iPad. I mean, it's, you know, it made my career possible.
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But some things, personally, I feel like, some things you just, you get a feel that they're not right.
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And I don't feel like this whole saga is, it doesn't feel right for Apple to go after all
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all these developers and to take this stance on the whole thing. It just doesn't feel right.
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It doesn't feel like it's the best thing for consumers to do. Like, why can I not play
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Fortnite because Epic wanted me to pay through their own store and you get upset because
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then you don't get 30%. Well, now what? Now you got millions of people upset because they
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don't get to play Fortnite on their iPhones. What's the preferable situation? What do you
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think? Getting that cut from Epic or now having millions of kids upset and angry because their
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iPhone doesn't get Fortnite anymore? It does feel like a very short-sighted stance to me.
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And the right thing to do would just to treat iPhones and iPads like computers, with the
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same respect and the same open mind that you treat Macs, and stop with this argument that
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iPhones and iPads are consoles. It doesn't really make much sense. They are computers.
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They are essential utilities for people who use them as their primary devices for communications,
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for phone calls, for emergencies, for work, for entertainment, for all kinds of things
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in a way that even exceeds what people use regular computers these days.
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Some people use their... a lot of people use their iPhones and iPads with more and with much more
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sensitive and important data than they use their laptops. And yet, the laptops get more freedom and
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more flexibility. And I don't really get it. And I think it's time for this to change. And I think
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If time will not change this, and if the company itself will not change it, then governments will.
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And I think it'll come to that eventually.
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In Ben Thompson's free article that went up yesterday called "Rethinking the App Store in
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Chitackery", he linked to a tweet from Francisco Tomalski, who was on the original iPhone team,
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working on mobile Safari and Francisco says something which has kind of blew my mind a little bit
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Apple's iOS rules would not have allowed for the invention of the web browser
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And then the follow-up part of that is like think of all the amazing ideas that haven't gotten a chance to be invented because they
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Aren't allowed on mobile devices mosaic happened less than 10 years after the Macintosh
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We very well could have had a browser caliber level invention by now
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I mean, it's stretching things to quite a degree, but it's a fantastic point that
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an app like Safari, if Safari didn't exist, if web browsers didn't exist, you wouldn't
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be able to have that on iOS.
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And think of all of everything, right?
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We all have our own opinions on this, and my overriding opinion, because really there
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are two things going on, multiple things going on here, like monitor, you've got the
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Epic thing but you've also got like should Apple be allowed to say which
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applications can even run on the phone and if you agree that they can should
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they be able to take 30% of every transaction right like and these are all
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of the different questions these are going to keep coming up like if you're
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bored of this topic like you're in for a long six months right because like it's
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going this is the thing now this is the thing where everyone's gonna keep
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talking about. It was keyboards for a while, we've got this. I think there is no
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argument that this is much more important than keyboards, but nevertheless
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here we are. But my feeling, the thing that I keep coming back to is I do not
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believe that Apple has the right to tell all these businesses how to do business.
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Mm-hmm. That's my feeling. And I just don't think that they have or should
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have the power to be able to dictate terms to every company on the planet.
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So, nevertheless, yeah.
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Yeah, and I agree with it, and it's a shame to think about, again, all the ideas and all
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the apps that could have existed, that could exist, without these rules.
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And again, as far as the Apple community goes, I think the arguing that sometimes iPhones
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are computers, but now they are consoles, I think it's kind of funny.
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And I think it's a fascinating phenomenon, really.
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I think they are computers, they should be treated like computers.
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They already are treated as such by us, but not by the company that makes them.
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But only when it's convenient to do so.
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So this is just, you know, I look at this from the outside and I just think that it's
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a sad story.
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Like, the most, arguably, one of the most popular video games on the planet cannot run
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on the iPhone right now, cannot be downloaded on the iPhone. And I just think it's sad,
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because of what? Because of being able to purchase game stuff inside the game without
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using enough purchases. Like that, you look at it from the outside, you try to explain
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that to a friend who doesn't follow Apple blogs and podcasts, and they're gonna tell
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you why though. The game that was already the most popular game in the world before
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they launched the iOS version. But for some reason, Apple now believes that they have
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an entitlement to 30% of every transaction that goes through the system.
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Because Epic was able to distribute the binary for that game through the App Store. I mean,
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thanks! Sure, that entitles you to 30%. Yeah, I just think this is sad, and it doesn't feel
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right. Some things you get a feel for, this doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel
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right that Apple is going after Hey and WordPress and all the
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other developers that don't have the resources or the following to speak out
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and to actually say this is what App Review told me. So many are just
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afraid and scared of the retaliatory behavior that may occur
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later and they never tell you the things that happen behind the scenes. And if
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If you're Apple and if you are a developer evangelist, if you work on this stuff, if
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you manage the apps, are you sure you fostered a healthy, competitive, successful environment?
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Or do you just have a marketplace which is dominated by fear and by having to follow
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these rules?
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Because these things, in the long term, they usually end up with somebody else coming onto
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the scene and saying, "Hey, we also have a marketplace for you, and we don't have all
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these problems.
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Come aboard."
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And I think it's in your best interest to make sure that you keep your developer community
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happy and not scared and competitive, right?
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So I don't know.
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Maybe this will not be a problem in a month, it will not be a problem in a year, but I
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don't know, maybe in five years, maybe in ten years, this will turn out to be a big
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I don't know.
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I just feel like if you're managing a store, you want to make sure that the folks who make
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stuff for the store are happy, not turning against you.
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But what do I know?
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I'm not a lawyer, so.
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Okay, are we talking about Airpower again?
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We are talking about Airpower again.
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This mostly comes from the fact that Nomad, which is an accessory maker who I believe
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you are a fan of I think you have some Nomad products right? I do I do I have two
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in my apartment two wireless Nomad wireless charging pads and one that I
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gave to my mom so she's also using one. So I think the one that most people have
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including you I think is called the base station right where it's like or it may
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at least have been it's like something like that it's yeah they have one called
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the base station, which is a very good looking, like just a pad with a leather backing on
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it, like a cover on it, and you put your devices on it and it can charge multiple devices at
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once, right? That's its thing. You can do a couple and you can put it in a couple of
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different angles. Well, they have partnered with a company called Aira, Aira? A-I-R-A,
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say Aera because that's probably what they're going for.
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Who have created a technology called FreePower and these two companies have partnered and
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they've made the base, like the Nomad BaseStation Pro.
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Now what's interesting about this product is it's basically what we wanted AirPower
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You put your device down and it will charge it wherever you put it on the mat in whatever
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orientation and it will take multiple devices at a time like as many as you can fit on there
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basically like two or three devices. Apparently I was watching a video that iJustine made about
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this it's really power efficient as well because Qi charging when you have something on it's
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basically the entire mat is like doing its thing right but with this error technology it just
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powers up the area underneath where the device is which is kind of smart and makes sense I guess.
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this product doesn't yet work with the Apple Watch.
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They don't have one of those little things you can plug in.
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And also the Apple Watch isn't Qi.
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But apparently Nomads say they're "working on a solution for 2021."
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I don't know what that means.
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Either A, they're hoping that the Apple Watch goes Qi,
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or they're going to work out some kind of add-on
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like they have with the regular base station.
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I don't know.
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So this thing is a partnership,
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which means that Aera could and will use this technology in other products.
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but it's a pretty interesting thing, like it's doing what we wanted AirPower to do
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there was a Bloomberg report about this company and stuff like that in which it
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was mentioned by Mark Gurman that Apple is actually apparently still working on
00:47:32
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a less ambitious charger. Less ambitious? Okay. Than AirPower. So less ambitious
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means you can just place your iPhone in AirPods but not the Apple Watch? I guess
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I don't know what it means, you know. Well, so here's the thing. Did you see that article from MacRumors?
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It was... With the photos? Yeah, it was some screenshots taken from a video from a
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Who apparently got their hands on some prototype hardware for airpower?
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Yeah. That looks far too complicated. That looks wild.
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It looks scary with all those chips and coils. Like it looks
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kind of scary. That looks super complex.
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- Like when you compare, so like I've seen some imagery
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of the inside, like you can see it on the Nomad website
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actually, the Aeropad looks complicated, but nowhere
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near as scary looking as the inside of this apparent
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- Like it's just a bunch of coils, right?
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It's not like a honeycomb of circuits and coils.
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Like that looks super complex.
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So less ambitious, I mean, the big problem that Apple faced,
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I guess, was the promise of placing anywhere
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and making it work both for Qi devices and the Apple Watch.
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So something has to give there, right?
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Either you cannot place devices anywhere on the pad,
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but you have like precise zones where you can put them,
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or it doesn't support the Apple Watch.
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So it's Qi only, and it's essentially something
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like the Nomad base station,
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which I'll tell you, it's fine.
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It does its job.
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It could support a wider area,
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but it's fine once you get used to it.
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I place my iPhone on it every night
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and I place my AirPods on it every day,
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and it's fine.
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It gets the job done.
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I feel like a wireless charger,
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it's not something that you're supposed to love.
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It's something that it's supposed to work,
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and work easy enough and get out of the way.
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Like it's not something that needs to be too fancy
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or like too complex for its own good,
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supposed to be efficient and convenient
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and disappear in the background.
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And so less ambitious, I mean,
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if they do one that doesn't support the Apple Watch,
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but it's like a standalone watch thing,
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like my Nomad base station has like
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a standalone watch charger on the side, and that's fine.
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I can just please.
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- I mean, it's okay. - If Apple made a charger,
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I would prefer them to just like not do anything
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with the Apple Watch, like just like whatever.
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I'll tell you though, it's nice because when you place it down like that, it supports nightstand mode.
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So you can tap the watch and you can see the time at night.
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It's like a little, like, wart on the side of your charger.
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It's kind of like that. So, I don't know, do we know if this era thing has a fan?
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Remember when I purchased one?
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Yeah, the terrifying one with the fan in it.
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With the fan in it, super thick.
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It doesn't look like it from their photos. It doesn't seem like it does.
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And I guess the power efficiency of this one, if it is truly more power efficient, like they say,
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would mean that maybe it wouldn't need a fan as such because it's not like putting out so much
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energy like that one that you bought. What was that called? Do you remember?
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I don't remember.
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It had some crazy name. It had like the clear top to it. You could get that version as well,
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where you could look at all the terrifying coils.
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What was it called? We talked about it.
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We've spoken about it many times. Maybe the Discord will come up with an answer for us.
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But this BaseStation Pro costs $230.
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Seems like a lot of money for a charger.
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It's not cheap.
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So like, when I saw it, I was like...
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Can't you buy a Nintendo Switch with that amount of money?
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Yeah, probably.
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Like, when I saw it, like I watched the iJustine video about it.
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it was the first thing and then saw all the articles about it. I was like, "Oh, you know,
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I might get one of these, put it in my studio, like it's like a useful thing, you know, you
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can throw the occasional thing on there to charge, like whatever." And then I was like,
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"I don't want it $230 a minute, like that's not, I don't want that." Like, I'll see if
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people like it and then hope that they have a future product where it's a bit cheaper.
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I don't want to pay $230 for a charger for my iPhone.
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Yeah, but in the Discord they're saying if it had the Apple logo on it, you would actually get it right away.
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And that's the issue, right?
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No, I wouldn't.
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We're suckers like that.
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I don't think I would have bought an AirPower, Matt, either.
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But if Apple made it and it was $230, I still wouldn't buy it, because I don't want that type of product so much.
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Honestly, I gotta tell you that I would, but there's a reason for that.
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that it's because I know that if I get the Apple version,
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it's gonna support that kind of system integration
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that I don't get anywhere else.
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It's like, why would you buy AirPods
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over other wireless earbuds that maybe cost even less?
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And that's exactly the reason why,
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because with AirPods, I get to use system integrations
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like Siri, for example, or like now the multi-device pairing
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and the charging notifications in iOS 14,
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All that stuff I don't get with third-party wireless earbuds.
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So that's why sometimes I like to pay more
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for the Apple version, because that's part of the reason
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why we love Apple products.
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It's that kind of integration between different things.
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But that amount of money for a third-party accessory
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does not, likely does not integrate as well.
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It's a bit much. It's a bit much.
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So, yeah, honestly though, I don't have a lot of feelings about wireless chargers.
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Like, I feel like AirPower has become one of those things that we remember fondly,
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only because of its demise and because of the whole saga.
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Like, we care about AirPower more because of the whole story than the actual product itself.
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And in fact, I think that most people wouldn't actually care about AirPower.
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Like, we like to talk about it and to discuss it.
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Because it's a fun, weird story.
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Remember all the times where AirPower could be spotted in, like, instruction manuals or Apple.com?
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Like, that was fun.
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It was fun to dig around and predict is it coming out or not.
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But actually, it's just a charger, you know?
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It's not like a new iPhone.
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It's not like, I mean, headphones are more exciting than AirPower.
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Where are the headphones? Give me the headphones.
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I will tell you, Myke, that just this morning, I came this close.
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And you cannot see me, but I'm pinching my fingers.
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I can imagine you were showing a small, like you were like, you have your arms like far, far apart.
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I was this close.
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I was this close.
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I imagined it was a finger type thing.
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So clicking the buy button on Amazon.com for the new Sony headphones.
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I've thought about it too. The MKBHD video really made me want them.
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Because they look really good.
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I have the previous ones, but I really love two features of the new model.
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The multi-device pairing and the wear detection.
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So when you remove your headphones from your ears, music stops.
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That's something that I really want. Incidentally, that's also something that Apple is rumored to be working on.
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automatic wear detection.
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And I saw that these phones are not available on Amazon Italy, but amazon.com is shipping to Italy.
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And I was right there and then I thought, well, what if the new AirPods Studio come on in like a couple weeks?
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HeadPods, AirPods Studio, whatever.
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And so I was able to stop myself from doing that.
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But I may not have the same willpower in a couple days.
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Or if I have one too many drinks, one dinner.
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I don't know.
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I really want them.
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I really want them.
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But so far I'm being a good boy and being patient.
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- I really want some over-ear headphones made by Apple.
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I really want those because I love my AirPods Pro so much.
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And if they can give me that experience
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with even better noise canceling or whatever, I'm in.
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'Cause here's one of the things that has stopped me
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with the Sonys is I never liked noise cancellation
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until I tried the AirPods.
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Every other noise cancellation product that I tried
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made me feel kind of uneasy.
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And so it's very possible that if Apple's over ear
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headphones, if they're more aggressive like I might not like it. So we'll have to see on that one.
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But it makes me hesit- it's like another reason I'm hesitant to like to get another product in case
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I end up not liking that, where I feel like I maybe have more of a chance of liking Apple's
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interpretation on over ear headphones because they're the only ones that I've ever found
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comfortable before. So we'll see. But I yeah I really want that product.
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Yeah, so we haven't heard any new rumors lately.
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No, no, it's kind of where we left it of like it's a product that's coming and coming this year
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is what all the rumors say, but who knows anymore man.
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It's gonna be an expensive fall I guess.
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Yeah, like if you are, as you as in a person going to catch them all, you could be looking at like
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a wireless charger, some over-ear headphones, an iPhone, potentially an iPad Pro and a new Mac.
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Yeah it's a lot of money. It's a lot of different things. And I mean for sure I will get the charger
00:57:50
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and the headphones and the phone. So I'm already staring down at like 2000 euros at the very least.
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Fun times. This is what we do with the money that we saved by not going to the WVDC.
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That is a very good excuse that I will reuse at home. Thank you.
00:58:09
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I've been thinking about that. Like the money that I had set aside
00:58:12
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to travel this year, like to go to San Jose, will more than pay for the devices that I buy later on.
00:58:19
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Right. You could even argue that you could buy two iPhones with that money.
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I mean I don't know why you would need to make that argument, but like you could make that argument.
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But it could be made. It's like an argument that could be made.
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You could make it, yes. I mean, you could also make the argument you could buy 10 sets of AirPods.
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Like, these are arguments you can make, but you don't need to make them unless there is a reason
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that you feel you need two iPhones. So let me ask you this. Does Adina still leave AirPods
00:58:47
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randomly around the house? Everywhere. Oh my god. And she has two sets. You need to do something about it.
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I don't know if I told you the story, but Adina lost her AirPods because she lost her bag.
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And so I am a good husband.
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And I was like, there's no way that I will let you go back to your old AirPods.
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Adina is currently listening to the live stream, by the way.
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So she's now upset in the Discord that I'm telling this story.
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So I was like, I am a good husband, and I will not allow you to go back to regular AirPods
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after experiencing AirPods Pro, because we both really value the noise cancellation,
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because when someone's doing something loud in the house, you can just like tune them out, right?
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you're in your own world. So I was like I will buy you some more AirPods Pro.
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Some more? Another set. I will buy you a plethora of AirPods Pro. So I bought her another pair of AirPods Pro. Then we were out
00:59:47
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basically she lost her bag in a restaurant and it was handed in at the
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restaurant and she went to get it and nobody had taken the AirPods out which I
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I will never understand in my life why somebody didn't steal the AirPods when they handed it in, but I'm very thankful that they didn't.
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So she now has two pairs of AirPods Pro.
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But what that means is that there are two cases and four AirPods that can just find themselves anywhere in the house.
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Just like anywhere at all times.
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I'm not kidding you. I woke up two days ago
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from bed. I sat up on one of her AirPods fell off my stomach. This is the kind of life that I'm living. They're everywhere.
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Everywhere in the house like bugs
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I'm like swatting them away from me at all times
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they just like they can be anywhere at all times and
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When so when we come to the studio, which is very nice
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She brings both sets with her which I don't fully understand
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But I think it's the idea of that because there's no real management as the AirPods Pro
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They could have any level of battery life. So she takes one set
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She's gonna take both sets because who knows where they are or what's in war or what combination they are
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are. So I do I am fascinated by this sort of a hippie AirPods lifestyle. Yeah.
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It's very fascinating to me to just leave them out randomly. Just anywhere they
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could be. Having two pairs like it's it's a very interesting behavior. I am sorry
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Myke that you need to you know wake it waking up to AirPods falling on top of
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you that that one was particularly hilarious also now they're they're
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physically on me now then they're not just just around the house
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they're everywhere airports so I'm using I don't know if I told you I've been
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using the comply foam tips the official ones for the I got those and tried them
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once and wasn't that keen on it okay interesting so I am liking them I've
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I've been using them for the past month.
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Almost, yeah, it's been about a month.
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I like them.
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They do what I expected them to do.
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But one of them is already kind of sort of falling apart,
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- That was part of why I opened them, I tried them,
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and I immediately thought,
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these are going to get incredibly gross, incredibly fast,
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And I don't think I want that in my life.
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- Yeah, I've been taking good care of them.
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I've been cleaning them every day.
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I mean, I have other foam tapes on my other in-ear
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What's it called?
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- Earphones. - The Sony one.
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Yeah. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Your wild Sony ones, right?
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- Yeah, the in-ear Sony earbuds,
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which are like not earbuds.
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Well, anyway, that's it.
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Are they the balanced ones?
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So those are the headphones, but I also have the balanced earbuds.
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It's like, yeah, they're made of silver. It's like a whole thing.
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Anyway, I do know my way around the foam tip, is what I'm saying.
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And these ones for the AirPods Pro, they are deteriorating faster than usual,
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compared to other foam tips. So I don't know.
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know. Maybe it's the taking them out of the case every day that doesn't help, you know, with the
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friction and everything, I don't know. But I like them, which is a shame. Well, I mean, it makes sense,
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though, that a foam would degrade faster than a silicone rubber. Yes, yeah, but I think also the
01:03:34
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fact that I'm, like, you touch AirPods a lot, right, when you take them out of the case, put them back
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into the case. Like, they are... I don't know, they just feel like an object that goes through
01:03:47
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more friction than normal, and because of that I feel the foam is degrading more quickly
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than usual because of that. Because I am, like, managing them more, I guess. I don't
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know. But I like them, so what I will probably end up doing is continuing to buy more sets
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over time because I do prefer the way they defeat my ears better than the silicon ones.
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Well, I have some extra sets if you want them. I just sent them to you.
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Are they used? No.
01:04:19
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Okay. No, because I also bought the wrong size at first and then bought the right size.
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Ah, yes, yes, you do these things. You do these things.
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But never use the right size ones. They're just in the boxes.
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Otherwise, I will just get a Comply subscription. I don't know. Is there something like Club Comply
01:04:35
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that I can subscribe to and get my...
01:04:37
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You should contact them about that.
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I will become a happy subscriber.
01:04:41
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Yeah, I've been using them.
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However, I don't leave them around the house.
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I'll tell you that much that I don't do.
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So surprise, beta 6 of iOS 14 dropped I think it was yesterday, but we only had beta 5 last
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week that that was a surprise to me. Well is it a surprise though? Well it was to me.
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I mean you can give me your statistics and your information that you have
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but I was at least surprised. I have been doing my research and here I am bringing
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you hot facts from the internet. Okay. So obviously because of the review that I'm
01:06:55
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writing, as in like every year, I need to get a sense of where we're at in terms of schedule and
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beta releases. So while I was at the beach, I did this very useful research on previous schedules
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and beta releases for older versions of iOS. And specifically I took a look at last year and
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the year before as a sort of point of reference. So right now in 2020 we are basically almost
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20 days, 18 days to be exact. We're tracking 18 days behind last year's beta schedule. Not a
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surprise if you consider that WWDC was also almost 20 days later than usual this time. So for example,
01:07:49
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So, last year, iOS 13, beta 5 was the last one to come out after two weeks since the previous beta.
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In 2019, iOS 13 beta 6 came out a week after beta 5.
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It was the first beta to switch to the weekly release schedule, and it came out on, I believe, August 7th, 2019.
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So I was taking a look at this year's calendar and I thought,
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I have a pretty good feeling that they're going to release beta 6 today.
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And if they do, this is going to be the one that switches to a weekly release cycle.
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Where do you have this recorded?
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Ha! So, well, there's this thing called Google, first of all.
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Google old articles.
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But no, seriously, there's this excellent, really, really, really excellent website
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made by a good friend Will Haynes, thinkibits.com,
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Will put together years ago a page called "iOS version release date history".
01:08:59
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This is nice.
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It's very nice, and you can see, here's the other hot fact for you, Myke.
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In recent years, all major new versions, so the .0 version of iOS,
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us, with the exception of iOS 10, but we all know that iOS 10 was boring. All of them.
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Do we? Is that a thing we all know?
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We all know.
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What was so boring about it?
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Exactly. You don't even remember.
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Okay, but like, all right. Okay, I get you. All right, fine.
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I mean, it was okay, but it was the iMessage App Store, that kind of stuff.
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Oh, was that the Apple Music here?
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Yeah, yeah. Drake on stage.
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Oh, yeah, that one was a disaster. Yeah, that was a bad one.
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So, all... Here's the number that you're seeking.
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All recent versions of iOS have been in beta for at least 100 days.
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Okay? Beta for at least 100 days before the GM release.
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And if you consider that WWDC was on June 22nd, 2020, a hundred days from that date
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would be, go take a look, Wednesday, September 30th.
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So I've been writing, and god I really hope I'm right, because otherwise, honestly I'm
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screwed, I've been writing with the assumption that we will see a GM at the very least toward
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the end of September.
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So here's my, I want to throw a mic-shaped spanner into the works here. This is presuming
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that the life cycle is tied to WWDC and not just the calendar, right?
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Oh, yeah, of course. Yes. This is presuming that.
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I would expect we're probably going to be somewhere in the middle of those two dates.
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That's what I would assume.
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Presuming that, just because everything is late this year.
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Yeah, so things are late, but it doesn't mean that Apple started the process of refining 14 the day after WWDC, right?
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Like they may have been doing it from the same time that they always would, just WWDC was late.
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Sure, but I'm here to tell you that if they launch iOS 14 in mid-September, I will not be ready.
01:11:25
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And the reason you're not ready is because you started late, right? Like that's the reason?
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Yes, yes, because unlike Apple, I didn't have access to iOS 14 before WWDC.
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So yeah, I mean, come on, jeez.
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Not giving me that sweet, sweet leaked version. Anyway.
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Yeah, so I would hope/I would presume that the GM, we're gonna see toward the end of September,
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and for release in the first two weeks of October.
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And now, this theory would go quite well
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with the fact that we know, Apple said,
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the new iPhones will come out a few weeks later than usual.
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I've been thinking, I've been discussing,
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I will tell you that I've been discussing this
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with my girlfriend and my friends.
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Like I let them into the conversation on this stuff.
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Like, what do you think a few weeks means?
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Because a few weeks to me is more than a couple,
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but it's less than a month, right?
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I think it works the same way in both English and Italian.
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Like, to me, a few weeks is not two.
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It could be three or four, but no more than four.
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And if you consider that a few weeks for the new phones
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would be like, what, add three weeks to mid-September,
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That would be, in fact, something like October 7 or October 10.
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So, I don't know.
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But this is the schedule that I have in mind.
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When you consider all these numbers and the things
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that Apple said, that the phones would come out a few weeks--
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again, not a couple, not months, but a few weeks--
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later than usual, I think everything
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would line up quite nicely for things happening in the first two
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weeks of October. Now, all of this could be wrong, right? And I would be screwed big time.
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But again, it's something that over the course of the summer, I've come to accept.
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Like, this is my schedule, right?
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I was able to start testing iOS on June 22nd, not on June 5th or something.
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And this is how much it takes me to work on this stuff.
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So I assume we're going to get Beta 7 next week.
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If we don't get Beta 7 next week,
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that is going to be a very good sign.
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If there's going to be like two weeks between Beta 6 and 7,
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I don't think it will be the case.
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I think from now on, we are going to continue
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seeing weekly Beta releases.
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And I mean, personally, like if I would be Apple,
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I wouldn't rush this, especially considering the mess that the iOS 13 rollout was last year.
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So, honestly, I see no reason to put this out any earlier than necessary.
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But it's also in my own personal interest, so I will be biased.
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You're ever so slightly biased.
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Yes, to an extent, but also you cannot deny that I make a good point.
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I don't want to deny it, even if, you know, like...
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I don't want to deny it, but I also don't want to, in case you get angry at me, if I was to deny it.
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No, I will not get...
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Like, really, I have come to terms with the reality that if my timeline is incorrect,
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I will not be ready.
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And it's just what it is.
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As they say, it is what it is.
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But I really think I'm right also.
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There are a couple of--
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oh, real-time follow-up.
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We passed $25,000 raised for St. Jude, which is fantastic.
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Thank you so much to everybody that continues to donate
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to stjude.org/relay.
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So now in the show notes at this point in the episode
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will be the video of Steven identifying laptops by feel
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with the help of Mary Hackett providing
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the laptops for him to feel.
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"Honey, get the blindfold, we're gonna touch some computers."
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That's what Steven does.
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You know, like, that's an actual conversation that has to happen in the house, right?
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Exactly, in these terms.
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Which is amazing to think about.
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Really, it's wild that he would say it that way, but that is the way he says it.
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That is literally what happened.
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Verbatim, 100% the way it was said.
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"Honey, get the blindfold, we're gonna touch some computers."
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There are a couple of things that I noted from various articles about things that have
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been added in this beta.
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One of them, which was interesting, and it's kind of weird when you see this stuff, it's
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like "why is this here and why now?"
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A shortcut to switch Apple TV user account.
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Ah, yes, yes.
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Well, I'm making fun of it, but I actually did have to do this myself manually yesterday.
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I mean, like, I can imagine this slotting quite nicely into, like, an evening shortcut
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or a morning shortcut to go between, like, kids and adults content, you know, like, on
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the Apple TV.
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You know what my other account was named?
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It's very easy to guess.
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On the Apple TV.
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Well, you had two accounts.
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One of them is Federico.
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And the other?
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I don't know.
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Imagine how the system would name it by default.
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Federico parenthesis one.
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It's like, current user Federico, it's like, because I have the tvOS beta now, right?
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And you get the, you get a notification when you wake up the tv on the, in the upper right
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corner of the tv, you get an alert that gives you like, sort of like a welcome and tells
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you the user, the profile that you're currently logged in as.
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welcome Federico 1. It's like, "Wow!"
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You're the one!
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Why the one?
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And then I realized, oh, it probably messed up with my accounts because I have an Italian
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account and an American account. And that was exactly what it was. So now I can use
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the shortcut to switch between my accounts.
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But do you want to switch? Oh, you need to switch between them to get your Italian bulk
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content and your American bulk content, right?
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- Yeah, yeah, sometimes.
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Sometimes I do need to do that.
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- Also, if you remember in the last beta,
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they added the, so on the time picker,
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they added the ability to swipe up and down
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to use the kind of old style navigation for the time picker,
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but to use the old style in the new way, basically.
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And they've now added a kind of visual indicator
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to show that there are numbers above and below
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the time picker.
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I think this is a really nice,
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and they've landed on, I think,
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a really nice middle ground between these two.
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- It's very nice, and they have the color stroke around it,
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which I think is a really nice touch.
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And of course, it takes on the accent color
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of the app that you're using,
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so it's like orange in the clock app,
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and it's red in Calendar, so really, really nicely done.
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I think this is a very nice middle ground
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compared to the previous one.
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Really nicely done.
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I also saw that this must be like a WebKit thing,
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But now if you're on a website that uses a date picker,
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you don't see the web date picker anymore,
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but you see the native iOS date picker.
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Sort of like when you upload the photo
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and you get the custom iOS picker.
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- That's good actually,
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'cause a lot of the web-based date pickers,
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they like scroll beneath the keyboard.
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- Yeah, they're awful.
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- They're always such a pain.
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And I saw that now it like pops up
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in the middle of the screen
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you can actually pick a date. It's very nicely done. The date picker is, it has really grown
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It's one of my favorite things about iOS 14 without a shadow of a doubt. Because I can
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tap on the date and do the, and I just type in the time. I like to do that.
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And you can switch months with the arrows. Really well done.
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It's so good. Especially for using date picking in shortcuts.
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Right? You can do all of that anywhere in the system. I really, really like it.
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- Yeah, agreed.
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- Aside from the timeline causing stress and stuff,
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how is the review coming along?
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Like how do you feel about it now
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compared to how you felt about it in previous years
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in the same process?
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- I feel good about it.
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I think it's fun.
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Because I've been able to include
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a lot of third party examples.
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especially for widgets and on iPad
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for the sidebars and the three column layouts.
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I think those parts are super fun to write
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to be able to have that mix of technical talk
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that I do have this time,
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especially for the three column stuff,
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but it's not too technical.
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And accompanying that technical discussion
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is the actual example.
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So like that sort of flow of,
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I'm explaining a technical thing,
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but then I'm also showing you what that means in practice.
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That I think is very fun.
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And the rest of the review,
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I think it's slightly different than usual in that
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for the past couple of years,
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I've always had this big like shortcuts chapter
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with a lot of examples.
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And I feel like this time it's gonna be different
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because I'm struggling to come out with new shortcuts
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because the new shortcuts that I will be making,
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I will make those, I will make those,
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but they will be based on third-party actions.
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Because there aren't that many new system actions
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that I can take advantage of.
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And I've already made so many shortcuts
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with those default actions.
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Yes, I will make some for the new Apple TV stuff
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and the new workout stuff.
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But really, the big changes in shortcuts this year
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are all about automations.
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- And also how you interact with the shortcuts.
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- And also how you use shortcuts,
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which is what I'm writing about.
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And so automations I cannot share
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because you cannot share automations
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with a link with somebody else.
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And I think it's more fun to show like,
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here's what a shortcut looked like before
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and here's what it looks like now.
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So I think while I'm a bit stressed
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because of the schedule and because I'm,
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When I think about it, I'm like, boy, I'm cutting it closer than I would like to be right now.
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But also, if you subtract those 20 days, sometimes I think about it like it's not really August 26th,
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it's still August 6th.
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Because August 26th on a usual year, you're like approaching the end.
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I'm wrapping up, right? I'm wrapping up. I'm already going through the editing.
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Yeah, like you would have the review written by now, and you would be, like in a sense of like,
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all of the chapters are done, but now it's just a case of asterisks
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around the ones where things might change still, and then let's start editing.
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Exactly, so, and I'm not at that point right now, but again we're also on a
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different schedule and everything, so sometimes I think about it and when I
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look at the date in isolation I'm like "man that's super bad, it's like already
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September" but then I think about it and I'm like "there's no way this launches in two
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weeks. So that makes me feel better. And otherwise, I think it's, as I mentioned,
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it's gonna be a slimmer review, more approachable tone overall, I would say.
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Lots of examples, which is fun. Lots of design talk, which was challenging but
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also fun because I do love to document like the design evolution of iOS. Less
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about shortcuts, more about designing an iPad, and obviously you may have seen like
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the preview series that we're doing on Mac Stories. Ryan and John and Alex also
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this week, they're writing about stuff about iOS 14 and iPadOS that I will not
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include in my review. So it's something that we started doing last year and that
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are continuing and expanding on this year, like taking these stories and these apps that maybe
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I'm not interested in or maybe I actually cannot use like maps and have the team do stories about
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that during the summer. So stuff like maps and wind down or game controllers, we're gonna have
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standalone stories. I will not have to take care of that in the review. I assume Jon will write the
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the game controllers part because Jon has 100 game controllers.
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Oh, it's that easy to guess. Yeah, it will. So there's gonna be that, and in my review
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I will link back to those stories. But otherwise, excluding the timeline schedule stuff, I feel
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pretty good about it. I think it's good, I think it's got a nice friendly tone, with
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the technical talk sprinkled on top here and there. And it's a bit unfortunate, I would've
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I would have liked more new shortcut actions.
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That I would have liked. But instead I also think, like, this is the year
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where shortcuts... It's more about the experience of using shortcuts, right?
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So the stuff that we've been requesting for years, like folders
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and the sidebar, and more interactivity on the home screen,
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so the widgets, like, I will take and copy and paste for actions,
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like, I will take that stuff.
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Yes, like, look, here's the thing.
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a lot of new actions, but we had wish lists, and we got most of the things on the wish
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list. That's about as good as you could hope for. And honestly, like you say, a lot of
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the stuff for that will be in third-party stuff, so you'll have stories to write later
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on in the year.
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Yeah, exactly. So I can write about my shortcuts and the more advanced stuff later. And something
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that I'm really enjoying doing right now, which I will consider, I guess, as part of
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you know, all the things surrounding the review is this custom widgets that I'm making with
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Scriptable. So all these custom things that I'm designing, you may have seen like on Twitter,
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I've shared like a NASA widget that I've made, and I have another four reminders. Like I'm
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really enjoying this idea of like programming and designing my own widgets with Scriptable.
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So that's something that I've been doing on the side. And that probably if I make some,
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And I have some more ideas, right?
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Like I've been thinking stuff for toggle, for example, to have fancier toggle reports
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that update every few minutes.
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Oh, that'd be nice.
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I've been thinking about RSS.
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There's a bunch of things that I could do with custom widgets, so that's what I've been
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also building on the side.
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Otherwise, yeah, feeling pretty good about it.
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The setup with iA writer and MindNode is working fine.
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Yeah, the big question looming over this entire thing is the schedule.
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But I'm just, look, I'm trying to be more hippie myself to an extent.
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Like I'm trying to go with the flow and accept the realities out of my control, you know,
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all that kind of stuff.
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It's very much unlike me, but I'm trying to because I think it's good for my stress levels.
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So, yeah. Well, look at the end of the day, well, I mean, who knows? It's incredibly unlikely
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that they're like incredibly unlikely. Look, this is not launching in two weeks, okay?
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This is what I said that they're just going to drop it randomly. In fact, they can't.
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You're always going to get at least one week's notice. And then how you deal with that.
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Worst case scenario, I will get a one week notice. Okay. So what's going to happen in
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In that week I don't want to think about, but that's the worst case scenario.
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If you want to find show notes for this week's episode go to relay.fm/connected/309
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You can find us online in a bunch of places, go to maxstories.net
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You can find Federico's @Vittici V I T I C C I
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I am iMyke, I M Y K E
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And I already said about a show that you should listen to, it's called Remaster, I said that
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one earlier so no one's going to throw me off this time
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Don't forget if you want to give support for Steven and his plumbing problems just send
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a tweet saying I support you Steven and then also send your favorite plumbing
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related emoji but the most important support that you can give at this time
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is to go to st. Jude org slash relay and donate to help us support st. Jude
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Children's Research Hospital so we can help put an end to childhood cancer
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during childhood cancer awareness month it's a really important charity means a
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lot to us and especially on this show you know like we've all been touched by
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cancer in our own ways and so it means a lot to us right yes this charity means
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an awful lot to us so yeah thank you so much to smile and ping them for their
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support of this week's episode and thank you to our members as well if you would
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like to become a member and support this show go to get connected pro co and you
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will be able to get your hands on an ad free version of the show with additional
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content to boot and you also get the ASMR special that we did which people
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seem to have been equally pleased with and horrified over which is exactly what
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I was expecting. That's the kind of reaction that you're gonna get with that
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kind of content. That's about it. Until next time say
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goodbye Federico. Arrivederci. Cheerio!