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00:00:02 ◼   ► - Hello and welcome to Connected episode 310.

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00:00:17 ◼   ► My name is Steven Hackett

00:00:18 ◼   ► and I am joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.

00:00:20 ◼   ► - Hello, hi, how are you?

00:00:22 ◼   ► - Hey, I'm good, I'm glad to be back.

00:00:24 ◼   ► I missed you all last week.

00:00:25 ◼   ► - Nice to have you back.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - How's the plumbing?

00:00:29 ◼   ► Oh, hmm.

00:00:31 ◼   ► The people wanna know.

00:00:31 ◼   ► I can give a plumbing update.

00:00:32 ◼   ► You have to introduce Myke first.

00:00:34 ◼   ► Oh, Myke's here.

00:00:35 ◼   ► Hey, Myke.

00:00:36 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:38 ◼   ► So how's the plumbing?

00:00:39 ◼   ► Yeah, so I missed last week's show

00:00:41 ◼   ► because all of our pipes exploded.

00:00:43 ◼   ► So what's happening is as soon as it quits raining,

00:00:46 ◼   ► so we had Hurricane Laura leftovers come through

00:00:50 ◼   ► and some other rain after it, so it's all very wet.

00:00:52 ◼   ► But once it quits raining,

00:00:54 ◼   ► a guy with a backhoe is gonna come

00:00:57 ◼   ► and dig a trench in my yard,

00:00:59 ◼   ► we have to replace the the line from the house to the sewer under the street what's the backhoe

00:01:03 ◼   ► i have no idea what is what is it can you spell it uh b-a-c-k-h-o-e okay is that an instrument

00:01:13 ◼   ► it's like no it's like a a digging machine you know like yellow it's got the scoop on it yeah

00:01:18 ◼   ► federica you know these when you see them it's just like as usual americans have weird names

00:01:22 ◼   ► for things you know that's what it's called let's see it's like a digger oh well you don't call

00:01:27 ◼   ► this a backhoe. That's what Wikipedia calls it. No, this has a different name. The Wikipedia

00:01:33 ◼   ► page was made by an American, clearly, is the problem. There is a different name for

00:01:38 ◼   ► this. Like an excavator. Yeah, an excavator or digger. Yeah, this is an excavator. What

00:01:46 ◼   ► is a backhoe? Is that the brand of the company that makes them? That's usually how it goes

00:01:52 ◼   ► in America. There's a funny thing actually where they're colloquially known as JCBs

00:01:56 ◼   ► the UK because of the brand JCB but yeah I'm not 100% sure why it's

00:02:02 ◼   ► called a backhoe like what's the hoe you know? and it's not in the back it's

00:02:08 ◼   ► appears to be in the front. It's actually very much in the front yeah it's

00:02:15 ◼   ► really a front shovel more than a backhoe because like a hoe doesn't a hoe

00:02:19 ◼   ► you like till ground with a hoe to make it yeah so but and this isn't that like

00:02:26 ◼   ► you're gonna plant stuff. Well I mean you could till ground with this.

00:02:28 ◼   ► Yeah but like this digs. Aggressively. You know? Yeah. So whatever this piece of industrial

00:02:37 ◼   ► equipment is, some people are gonna come and we're gonna replace the sewer

00:02:42 ◼   ► line from the house to the sewer. It may go under a big oak tree in my front yard,

00:02:47 ◼   ► in which case the tree may not survive, so like it's just lots of knock-on

00:02:50 ◼   ► effects. It's not good. Okay so how much, Steven, how much do we need to pay you?

00:02:55 ◼   ► you, so that that day, you keep in front of that guy, you keep referring to the machine

00:03:01 ◼   ► as an excavator. You never say the word "Beko".

00:03:05 ◼   ► I just see what he says. Nice excavator you've got there.

00:03:08 ◼   ► See if he corrects you. Lovely excavator, aww. Look at the power on

00:03:14 ◼   ► the excavator. Oh, you came with the excavator!

00:03:16 ◼   ► Made that JCB is looking good, boy! Yeah.

00:03:22 ◼   ► Think about a price and Myke and I can split it.

00:03:25 ◼   ► And we'll donate it to St. Jude.

00:03:27 ◼   ► But we need video evidence like, "Oh, this is it.

00:03:30 ◼   ► We got it."

00:03:31 ◼   ► Right?

00:03:32 ◼   ► You pick a price, we'll donate it, but we need you to like...

00:03:35 ◼   ► We need proof.

00:03:36 ◼   ► Like, so a voice memo or a video.

00:03:38 ◼   ► Have your iPhone recording audio and put it in your pocket and be like, "Oh, you brought

00:03:44 ◼   ► the excavator, I see."

00:03:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:48 ◼   ► Or is this one of those things that your dad's going to be there so you'll be super embarrassed

00:03:52 ◼   ► to say it it's mostly that yeah yeah you're gonna be like what are you

00:03:56 ◼   ► talking about that's a backhoe song I'll put it on reels that's what the chat

00:04:07 ◼   ► room says yeah yeah perfect check me out on reels for my hot excavator content

00:04:13 ◼   ► it's September yeah very exciting today September 1st which to say we're

00:04:18 ◼   ► recording this a day early this week which feels very weird. I'm gonna be off all week now.

00:04:22 ◼   ► I'm ruined. Yeah, it's not gonna be good. But in September we take time to talk

00:04:28 ◼   ► about and focus on St. Jude Children's Research Hospital because September is

00:04:32 ◼   ► National Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. Cancer is something that is... we on

00:04:40 ◼   ► this show we've all dealt with in one way or another and it's something that

00:04:45 ◼   ► really touches a lot of people's lives, and when that intersects with the life of a child,

00:04:50 ◼   ► it feels exceptionally tragic in a lot of ways. And I went through that as a parent when our

00:04:58 ◼   ► oldest son at six months of age was diagnosed with a brain tumor, but because of St. Jude,

00:05:02 ◼   ► he is still with us today. He is going to turn 12 in a couple of months, and he's doing school,

00:05:10 ◼   ► and he is living a life that is a miracle and a gift because of the work at St. Jude.

00:05:18 ◼   ► So their research, their treatment, all of this is done with no bills going to the family.

00:05:25 ◼   ► I've never paid St. Jude a dime in over ten years of treatment and care.

00:05:28 ◼   ► And it would have been millions, right?

00:05:30 ◼   ► It would have, no exaggeration, financially ruined us. And unfortunately, a lot of people

00:05:38 ◼   ► are in that situation, but St. Jude is there for its patients and families to take care

00:05:41 ◼   ► of them. And that's only possible because of the support that people like us give the

00:05:48 ◼   ► hospital. And I wrote a little post on 512 and I posted it, published it right before

00:05:53 ◼   ► the show, but it's been so humbling and cool to see the Apple community get behind this

00:05:59 ◼   ► every year, because we've been doing this for several years, even though this year is

00:06:02 ◼   ► like the second podcast-a-thon. Like, we've been raising money and talking about St. Jude

00:06:06 ◼   ► for a long time.

00:06:07 ◼   ► We were just doing it without telling them before.

00:06:10 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:06:11 ◼   ► - We were just doing it.

00:06:12 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:06:13 ◼   ► Now why don't you come do a live show?

00:06:14 ◼   ► And we agreed and it's all history.

00:06:17 ◼   ► So go to stjude.org/relay.

00:06:21 ◼   ► We would love for you to support St. Jude.

00:06:23 ◼   ► We today crossed $50,000 raised, which is amazing.

00:06:27 ◼   ► So I'm gonna work on scheduling a tour of my Mac setup.

00:06:30 ◼   ► That was a milestone at 50 grand.

00:06:33 ◼   ► And so we are doing things leading up to the podcast-a-thon,

00:06:36 ◼   ► doing a bunch of extra content. Myke, you did a video this past weekend that was

00:06:39 ◼   ► really cool, so stay tuned to that page even after you donate because we are

00:06:44 ◼   ► doing additional things throughout the month. But we would love for you to go

00:06:48 ◼   ► visit stju.org/relay. Is it googly eye time? It is. So you want to

00:06:54 ◼   ► explain this? Last year me and Steven kind of... I will always maintain that

00:06:59 ◼   ► Steven put me in a bad situation and gave himself a great situation, which was

00:07:04 ◼   ► for every $250 raised I had to remove a sticker from one of my devices and

00:07:09 ◼   ► Steven had to add a sticker to something in his home and he just picked a bunch

00:07:14 ◼   ► of great stickers got amazing stickers sent to him from the listeners got to

00:07:17 ◼   ► cherry-pick which ones he wanted put them where he liked it was a great fun

00:07:20 ◼   ► time had by him yeah I got to I got to backhoe my way through some good you

00:07:24 ◼   ► sure did you sure did Stephen back oh hack it Stephen anyway anyway anyway so

00:07:36 ◼   ► this year we have been encouraged by the wonderful people at st. Jude to do

00:07:42 ◼   ► something else like this and what we have decided to do is to equally damage

00:07:49 ◼   ► each other this time. We are in a a mutual, what is it? Mutually assured

00:07:55 ◼   ► destruction with googly eyes. So yes googly eyes played a pretty important

00:08:01 ◼   ► role in the podcast-a-thon in the fact that I had them stuck into my beard and

00:08:04 ◼   ► looked like some kind of monster. So me and Steven have bought hundreds upon

00:08:09 ◼   ► hundreds of googly eyes and for every $250 raised from now, I think until the

00:08:16 ◼   ► week of the podcast-a-thon because then we're switching over to something else

00:08:19 ◼   ► that we'll talk about when we get a little bit closer to it.

00:08:21 ◼   ► Both Steven and I will be placing one googly eye for every two hundred

00:08:26 ◼   ► and fifty dollars raised somewhere in either of our workspaces.

00:08:31 ◼   ► So for me, it will be a combination of Mega Office in my home and Mega Studio.

00:08:36 ◼   ► We will be placing googly eyes all over the place.

00:08:40 ◼   ► We have and we both have some interesting ideas for this one.

00:08:46 ◼   ► So from now until for the next couple of weeks, every $250 raised, there will be a Google AI placed somewhere.

00:08:53 ◼   ► And of course, Steven and I will be tweeting images of the destruction of our property as everything gets a little bit creepier in our studio spaces.

00:09:04 ◼   ► Yep, that's right. It's going to be fun and weird and upsetting.

00:09:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:10 ◼   ► If you have that thing where like eyes freak you out.

00:09:13 ◼   ► I have the thing with the holes, right?

00:09:16 ◼   ► What is it?

00:09:17 ◼   ► Yeah, me too.

00:09:18 ◼   ► Yeah, trypophobia, don't look it up.

00:09:19 ◼   ► Don't look it up, anyone, because looking this thing up is when you realize it freaks

00:09:24 ◼   ► you out, so just don't look it up.

00:09:25 ◼   ► Yeah, that's right.

00:09:27 ◼   ► This was the thing everyone was talking about when the Mac Pro got introduced, right?

00:09:31 ◼   ► So like, we all remember that.

00:09:33 ◼   ► So there you go, stju.org/relay, give what you can, and then when the podcast or thonk

00:09:38 ◼   ► rolls around, give some more.

00:09:40 ◼   ► That's the Myke Hurley message here.

00:09:43 ◼   ► Give multiple times.

00:09:44 ◼   ► That's right.

00:09:45 ◼   ► I want to get a little bit of follow up. So as promised at WWDC, Apple has launched the

00:09:51 ◼   ► ability to suggest changes to the developer guidelines. So they've created a website with

00:09:58 ◼   ► a form. This is effectively a suggestion box for developers. So you can go in and say like,

00:10:05 ◼   ► "Oh hey, I think you should change this guideline." I really hope that Apple listen and pay attention

00:10:12 ◼   ► to what's being said here, I hope that this is being done with the best intentions and

00:10:17 ◼   ► not just to make it seem like we're doing something.

00:10:21 ◼   ► A lot of suggestion boxes exist just so people can feel empowered about making their suggestion.

00:10:27 ◼   ► I hope that they really do pay attention.

00:10:28 ◼   ► I do, though, wonder how critical people will be, like existing developers, because I can

00:10:37 ◼   ► imagine that same nervousness existing of like "oh I don't want to upset Apple" you know and you're

00:10:44 ◼   ► doing it directly to them so it'll be interesting to see what happens there and I'll be keen to know

00:10:48 ◼   ► if anybody does share anything and they hear back I would love to see what the results of that is

00:10:54 ◼   ► either on or off the record. Along with this change Apple will from now on no longer be holding

00:11:01 ◼   ► up bug fixes when there are perceived guideline violations. I'm interested to see how that,

00:11:07 ◼   ► you know, they've been doing that recently. I mean, lots of stories about this of Apple,

00:11:10 ◼   ► like basically taking bug updates hostage until in-app purchases are added. Apparently,

00:11:16 ◼   ► they're not going to do any of this anymore. So we'll see. We'll see. This is like a very,

00:11:23 ◼   ► this is almost like a drop of water to somebody in a desert, right? Where we are with this whole

00:11:28 ◼   ► mess right now, but these are things that I guess could make some changes, I hope. We'll

00:11:34 ◼   ► see.

00:11:35 ◼   ► And it should be noted that you need to log in with your developer account. This is not

00:11:40 ◼   ► something that you can do anonymously. I just tried, and you need to log in with your account

00:11:45 ◼   ► to be able to submit feedback. So that's why some people may be a little hesitant to actually

00:11:52 ◼   ► send critical feedback, so we'll see if anything comes out of this. It just feels, well, I

00:11:57 ◼   ► I don't know. I want to be optimistic here, but it just feels like a placebo thing. Like,

00:12:00 ◼   ► "Oh, we have a form now and you can air your opinions." But, you know, maybe that's a little

00:12:07 ◼   ► too negative. I want to believe that maybe something good will come out of this. At least

00:12:13 ◼   ► it's something. So, we'll see.

00:12:16 ◼   ► We have some breaking news for the follow-up.

00:12:19 ◼   ► Is it really?

00:12:20 ◼   ► Straight from...

00:12:21 ◼   ► Break.

00:12:22 ◼   ► It is. Straight from the Discord. This article's a couple days old, so we missed it. But anyways,

00:12:26 ◼   ► VPN had an issue with the App Store and apparently they went through this process and the App

00:12:35 ◼   ► Store changed their mind. The app had been threatened with rejection over some in-app

00:12:42 ◼   ► purchase stuff. They had like a 24-hour trial and apparently the App Store guidelines say

00:12:49 ◼   ► a subscription period must last at least seven days. So there was like some conflict there

00:12:54 ◼   ► and it looks like they worked it out. So maybe this will be good. It's a good early example.

00:12:59 ◼   ► Okay. Well, I hope that that will turn into a set of stories of its own. Right. But there's

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00:15:07 ◼   ► Like a very kind individual, Mark Gurman was aware that we were recording early is the only

00:15:14 ◼   ► assumption that I can make. So published a report, I believe this morning as we were recording this,

00:15:19 ◼   ► doing what Mark does around this time of year where he rounds up what he will say is going to

00:15:27 ◼   ► happen at Apple's fall event. And we have a large selection of things here that I want to go through.

00:15:35 ◼   ► and I guess we can kind of stop as we go through. I think the first, actually, you know what,

00:15:41 ◼   ► Steven, why don't you read the first bullet point in this list that I've compiled here?

00:15:47 ◼   ► Why don't you read that? I think that's important for you to read.

00:15:50 ◼   ► 75 million 5G-enabled iPhones are being made.

00:15:56 ◼   ► What do you think about that?

00:16:01 ◼   ► That seems like a lot of iPhones. I don't know if it is or not, because Apple doesn't

00:16:05 ◼   ► share the volume of sales anymore, right? We don't know how many phones they sell. But

00:16:11 ◼   ► 75 million seems like a lot, and they're going to have so-called 5G in them.

00:16:15 ◼   ► So-called? What does that mean? What is so-called for?

00:16:19 ◼   ► You know, some people call it 5G. Some people don't.

00:16:23 ◼   ► What do you call it? A hoax? What do you call it?

00:16:25 ◼   ► I'm not going down that road with you guys.

00:16:29 ◼   ► There is something kind of fun where like you were a 5G denier before it was a thing.

00:16:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:34 ◼   ► And now there's like a whole thing about it and so you're kind of like...

00:16:38 ◼   ► I'm just backing out of the room.

00:16:39 ◼   ► ...interlinked with this now which is kind of wonderful.

00:16:42 ◼   ► So do you want to accept 5G yet?

00:16:45 ◼   ► Look, I'm excited about our predictions.

00:16:51 ◼   ► Feeling a little nervous about my 5G one.

00:16:53 ◼   ► Are you going to concede to the existence of 5G?

00:16:55 ◼   ► I've seen the light.

00:16:58 ◼   ► Okay.

00:16:59 ◼   ► I've seen the mini mini 5G towers going up literally in my neighborhood. I think there's one at the end of my street

00:17:05 ◼   ► Yeah, they're coming for you in this circle

00:17:07 ◼   ► So getting closer and closer now what we don't know really is the timing of the event, right?

00:17:13 ◼   ► Like no, no one really seems to have a good handle on this but more did indicate in his report that the product releases

00:17:20 ◼   ► At least would be in October

00:17:22 ◼   ► which is kind of what we figured anyway because Apple said that we're gonna be a couple of weeks late whenever they have the event and

00:17:29 ◼   ► towards the end of September or not, we're gonna have to wait and see but it's very likely that these products will come out probably over

00:17:34 ◼   ► October and November in some cases. So a lot of this stuff we have heard before but I think is you know over the course of

00:17:42 ◼   ► a year there are so many rumors

00:17:44 ◼   ► I think sometimes it can be difficult and like they get all mixed up

00:17:47 ◼   ► But Mark Gorman is has a very good track record and this is what Mark is saying will be for the iPhone line

00:17:55 ◼   ► For iPhones all with some kind of 5g because there are different

00:17:59 ◼   ► Strengths power speeds that kind of thing those iPhones will have a different design all iPhones will have flat edges like the iPad Pro

00:18:08 ◼   ► The pro models will continue to have stainless steel and my boys dark blue replaces midnight green

00:18:15 ◼   ► Give me that dark blue phone dark blue as a piece of real-time follow-up for you

00:18:22 ◼   ► I have been having the best time with no case on my iPhone. I love it so much. Yes. I love looking at it

00:18:29 ◼   ► I love holding it

00:18:30 ◼   ► No case on the iPhone. It's a really nice way to live if you don't break your phone, right?

00:18:36 ◼   ► I haven't yet broke my phone

00:18:38 ◼   ► So we'll find out if how long this love affair lasts, but I do very much like not having a case on my phone

00:18:44 ◼   ► So in these four iPhones, we'll of course have a wider choice of screen sizes. All the phones will feature OLED screens

00:18:52 ◼   ► The iPhone 12 line will feature a 5.4 and a 6.1 inch phone. That 5.4 inch phone is good

00:18:58 ◼   ► And the 12 Pro will be 6.1 and 6.7 inches

00:19:05 ◼   ► So we'll be getting the the smallest iPhone in this form factor ever and the largest iPhone

00:19:14 ◼   ► ever made screen size wise

00:19:17 ◼   ► A quote from Mark Gurman's article is "Some Apple employees testing their new devices

00:19:21 ◼   ► think that the new 6.7-inch screen is one of this year's most notable improvements,

00:19:26 ◼   ► the people familiar with the situation said."

00:19:29 ◼   ► This is interesting for a couple of reasons.

00:19:31 ◼   ► One, what's the current size of the Pro Max for context?

00:19:35 ◼   ► Someone will get me that.

00:19:36 ◼   ► We'll answer that question in just a few seconds.

00:19:38 ◼   ► But that's really interesting to me because, well, one, now it makes me want it, right?

00:19:42 ◼   ► Because I'm always on the fence anyway.

00:19:44 ◼   ► there's no note in this report. So 6.5 inches for the Ricoh. Okay. Okay. There's no note

00:19:50 ◼   ► in this report and it seems a bit sketchy based on some other rumors as to whether these

00:19:55 ◼   ► phones will at any any point in the line feature 120 Hertz refresh rate display. There have

00:20:02 ◼   ► been rumors of like the screens will support it, but Apple's having problems getting some

00:20:08 ◼   ► of the controllers, the display controllers that they need. So like they were wanting

00:20:12 ◼   ► to do it but maybe can't do it because of parts issues. But when I read that it's like

00:20:16 ◼   ► "do you think that means that it is a ProMotion display?" which is one of the things that

00:20:23 ◼   ► makes it so notable and at that size makes it even more so. I don't know. It's interesting

00:20:28 ◼   ► that I don't think that there is any really solid reporting on whether we're going to

00:20:35 ◼   ► see the high refresh rate. I know if we don't I'm going to be pretty disappointed because

00:20:41 ◼   ► I know why, if it doesn't happen I feel like I know why, but it was a shame because

00:20:45 ◼   ► one, I think it's pretty clear that it was supposed to and couldn't, but yeah, nevertheless.

00:20:51 ◼   ► The 12 will ship before the 12 Pro, so it looks like there's probably going to be

00:20:57 ◼   ► a bit of a wait time for the Pro phones.

00:21:01 ◼   ► It sounds like a repeat of three years ago, with the iPhone X, that we're all waiting

00:21:07 ◼   ► for the new phone to arrive and it shipped in November, right? At some point in November.

00:21:13 ◼   ► I think it was November, yeah. 2017? Yeah. Yeah, I think it was November. Was there a

00:21:18 ◼   ► new phone? Yeah, that was the iPhone 8, right? That was the year that the iPhone 8 came first

00:21:23 ◼   ► and then the iPhone X? Was that the year? 2017? Yes, yes. Because the X came late. I

00:21:29 ◼   ► think it was late October, maybe? Late October, yeah. It was early November for me, maybe,

00:21:35 ◼   ► was, yeah, it was early November because there was the national strike in Italy of UPS. And

00:21:41 ◼   ► so the weekend that the iPhone 10 was supposed to arrive, UPS went on a national strike.

00:21:48 ◼   ► You were so mad. I remember how upset you were. That was, that was, that was a fun year.

00:21:54 ◼   ► Yeah, no, no joke. I, that's when I became close friends with my local UPS person. I

00:22:02 ◼   ► now have his phone number, like his personal phone number, and to make sure that I would

00:22:07 ◼   ► get the iPhone X as soon as possible after the weekend, I called him on a Sunday. I was

00:22:13 ◼   ► like, "I'm so sorry to bother you on your personal..."

00:22:15 ◼   ► This is when I was trying to convince you to bribe him.

00:22:17 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, that was the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, that was the thing. I was like, "I'm

00:22:22 ◼   ► so sorry to bother you on a Sunday." He's like, "Who is this?" I'm like, "I'm the guy

00:22:26 ◼   ► who lives..." and I told him the street. And thankfully, he recognized me on the phone.

00:22:31 ◼   ► And so we arranged, like, it told me like, if you can wake up early tomorrow, if you

00:22:36 ◼   ► can meet me at this intersection, we can just exchange your package in the middle of the

00:22:42 ◼   ► street. And that's what we did. Like, we actually met at an intersection and I stopped the car

00:22:47 ◼   ► and just gave me the box. Wow. No, I got out of the car, he got out of the van and he gave

00:22:55 ◼   ► me, gave me the box. I was really upset that the very weekend that I was, I was supposed

00:23:00 ◼   ► be getting the iPhone X on a Friday, and then UPS went on a national strike. So anyway.

00:23:08 ◼   ► I wonder what that small one's gonna be like. The 5.4 inch?

00:23:12 ◼   ► See, I am very interested actually in trying one. I know that I, like, personally, for me,

00:23:19 ◼   ► I would be getting the biggest one possible, the 6.7, but I am very curious to try the smallest one.

00:23:27 ◼   ► For me, and also because I feel like Sylvia will actually be interested in that model.

00:23:34 ◼   ► Like the same design with Face ID and everything, but a smaller iPhone.

00:23:40 ◼   ► So the iPhone 8 Plus had a 5.5 inch display.

00:23:46 ◼   ► So that's the closest.

00:23:50 ◼   ► Yeah, so the Plus phones had 5.5.

00:23:53 ◼   ► So it's like that, you know, but obviously the issue with these things is that,

00:23:57 ◼   ► well, then you have to remove the, like the, all of the body around it.

00:24:01 ◼   ► But like the iPhone 10 was 5.8, right?

00:24:05 ◼   ► Yes.

00:24:06 ◼   ► So it's smaller than that, but like screen size wise, it's kind of in the realm of

00:24:11 ◼   ► the, the plus phones, but without the chin, without the forehead, all that kind of

00:24:16 ◼   ► stuff.

00:24:16 ◼   ► I'm really torn because I liked the 5.8 inch.

00:24:19 ◼   ► I'm I use the iPhone 11 pro.

00:24:21 ◼   ► I actually picked up a XS Max earlier this week.

00:24:26 ◼   ► A family member has my old XS Max.

00:24:29 ◼   ► I was like, this phone is ginormous.

00:24:31 ◼   ► And so I'm a little nervous that I'm gonna

00:24:35 ◼   ► kind of be stranded in the middle, guys.

00:24:36 ◼   ► I don't wanna be stuck in the middle.

00:24:37 ◼   ► - Well, but, well, you could just go for the 12,

00:24:41 ◼   ► wait, what's from, oh, 'cause the 12 Pro's 6.1, right?

00:24:46 ◼   ► Is that too much?

00:24:48 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:24:49 ◼   ► I guess we'll find out.

00:24:50 ◼   ► I want it as close to 5.8 as possible.

00:24:52 ◼   ► Like I want to stick as close to my size as possible.

00:24:55 ◼   ► - The 11 Pro is 5.8.

00:24:58 ◼   ► So it's the, ah, okay.

00:25:00 ◼   ► So all the Pros, they're growing a bit.

00:25:04 ◼   ► So the thing is going to be like,

00:25:05 ◼   ► what are the differences, right?

00:25:07 ◼   ► Like that's going to have to be the decision maker.

00:25:10 ◼   ► It's like what features does the Pro phone get

00:25:13 ◼   ► that the regular phone doesn't

00:25:15 ◼   ► and then make your decision from there, I guess.

00:25:19 ◼   ► I mean, I want the pro, like I mean, I'm, you know.

00:25:23 ◼   ► You're a pro boy.

00:25:25 ◼   ► I'm, yeah, I got big pro energy, so.

00:25:28 ◼   ► We'll see how this goes.

00:25:31 ◼   ► I think it's good to sort of deal with the sizing issues

00:25:36 ◼   ► because right now with the regular 11

00:25:39 ◼   ► in between the two pro sizes,

00:25:40 ◼   ► like that's a little confusing, I think.

00:25:42 ◼   ► And so to have, okay, 12 are this size

00:25:46 ◼   ► and the biggest 12 is the same size as a small 12 Pro.

00:25:50 ◼   ► And that makes sense to me on a table at an Apple store,

00:25:54 ◼   ► because people already basically equate screen size

00:25:58 ◼   ► with how good something is.

00:25:59 ◼   ► Like I think laptops and desktop computers

00:26:01 ◼   ► have burned that into our brains.

00:26:03 ◼   ► And so you have the 12, the stock phone,

00:26:06 ◼   ► the 5.4 inch smaller one means more of those people

00:26:09 ◼   ► still using a touch ID phone,

00:26:11 ◼   ► maybe more willing to come to the 12

00:26:13 ◼   ► because it's closer in size to what they're used to.

00:26:15 ◼   ► And then the pro, those people usually want more, they're a little bit bigger, they sit

00:26:18 ◼   ► above the 12 and the range.

00:26:20 ◼   ► This makes a lot more sense to me on paper than the iPhone line has made in quite a while,

00:26:26 ◼   ► I think.

00:26:27 ◼   ► Yeah, and I think the OLED screens across the line helps really balance out a big difference,

00:26:34 ◼   ► right?

00:26:35 ◼   ► Like just every screen is good, which is a good thing, so people feel comfortable in

00:26:41 ◼   ► that.

00:26:42 ◼   ► I don't know what you're saying about balancing out size wise for sure,

00:26:45 ◼   ► but the feature balance is going to be it's going to be very interesting.

00:26:49 ◼   ► Like how far does Apple go?

00:26:52 ◼   ► Because, you know, like the 11, the iPhone 11 was was very close

00:26:56 ◼   ► to the 11 Pro right in what it could do.

00:26:59 ◼   ► So it will be interesting to see what features go where.

00:27:03 ◼   ► A new iPad Air on the way of an edge to edge screen.

00:27:08 ◼   ► It's kind of about as much as Marc gives on that one.

00:27:11 ◼   ► I am wondering, based on some other rumors that I saw over the last few days,

00:27:16 ◼   ► Touch ID or Face ID?

00:27:18 ◼   ► There's a rumor I saw on MacRumors that they might put Touch ID in the power button,

00:27:25 ◼   ► which makes a lot of sense, I think.

00:27:27 ◼   ► And I would also really like that in my iPhone.

00:27:30 ◼   ► Yes, very much so. I know that as far as the phone goes,

00:27:35 ◼   ► the rumor is that, well, at least the rumors a while back were saying that

00:27:39 ◼   ► Apple was looking to integrate Touch ID under the display in the future, so I don't know

00:27:44 ◼   ► if 2021 or 2022, but I would very much welcome if it's just in the power button, I think

00:27:49 ◼   ► that would be fine. I think it would be interesting if they debut such a major rethink of Touch

00:27:54 ◼   ► ID in the iPad first, and not even in the iPad Pro, but in the iPad Air. I think it's

00:27:59 ◼   ► gonna be slightly odd, but you know, if they've done weirder things, I guess.

00:28:05 ◼   ► Would you imagine they would go to Face ID on this product though?

00:28:09 ◼   ► On the iPad Air?

00:28:10 ◼   ► I mean at this point if they do go edge to edge then yes.

00:28:13 ◼   ► You could see them doing that?

00:28:15 ◼   ► I can see them doing this because it's been long enough since the introduction of the

00:28:21 ◼   ► iPad Pro that some of those features can start trickling down to the rest of the line.

00:28:26 ◼   ► I actually wouldn't be surprised if they also support the second generation Apple Pencil.

00:28:31 ◼   ► What about the Magic Keyboard?

00:28:33 ◼   ► I cannot see them doing it yet. I still think it's...

00:28:37 ◼   ► Like these things, they usually trickle them down in stages

00:28:41 ◼   ► and it feels like it hasn't passed enough since the introduction of the

00:28:45 ◼   ► Magic Keyboard a few months ago. That they're ready to

00:28:48 ◼   ► bring it to the iPad Air line. I can imagine it will happen, right? Like you

00:28:51 ◼   ► say, they did the smart keyboard on the regular iPads,

00:28:54 ◼   ► they've done the Apple Pencil on the regular iPads. Yeah, I think maybe they go

00:28:58 ◼   ► flat sides and, especially if it's edge to edge,

00:29:01 ◼   ► Maybe it picks up some of that iPad Pro design language and they get the new Apple Pencil,

00:29:06 ◼   ► but it might be a touch early for the Magic Keyboard.

00:29:11 ◼   ► Yeah, they're gonna, I mean, I'm sure it's gonna have a smart connector in the back,

00:29:17 ◼   ► and they're probably gonna have a smart keyboard for this new device,

00:29:21 ◼   ► but I would be very surprised if they also have a Magic Keyboard ready to go for this one.

00:29:29 ◼   ► Touch ID in the power button, I think it would be very surprising because it would set a precedent

00:29:35 ◼   ► for next year's iPhone, right? Because if they do it on the iPad Air now, then everybody's gonna

00:29:40 ◼   ► think, "Oh, well, I guess next year's iPhone is also gonna have Touch ID back in the power button."

00:29:45 ◼   ► I actually think that if they showed these two things up at the same event,

00:29:48 ◼   ► people would be upset about the fact that the iPhone wouldn't have it.

00:29:52 ◼   ► Exactly. They're gonna be like, "Well, why doesn't the iPhone also have Touch ID in the power button?"

00:29:58 ◼   ► especially in 2020 with the pandemic going on and face masks making Face ID trickier?

00:30:03 ◼   ► There have always been things that I liked Touch ID for more and over time Apple actually made

00:30:08 ◼   ► some of that stuff better like with the express transit thing and stuff like that. But I want

00:30:13 ◼   ► Touch ID to return now because I am a diligent face mask wearer as everybody should be, which means

00:30:21 ◼   ► that like I'm putting in my passcode constantly now. I'm not one of the

00:30:26 ◼   ► unicorns that have got face ID to work with a mask on, but so I don't know how

00:30:32 ◼   ► that's happening for some people that hasn't... Is it happening for some people? Yes, yeah, I've seen multiple people talk

00:30:38 ◼   ► about this now. It's even Carter in the chat is saying that face ID has been

00:30:42 ◼   ► 100% of a face mask on. It's definitely happening for some people, I don't know

00:30:46 ◼   ► why. You sure they have a face mask on? That's what they're saying! I mean it does

00:30:50 ◼   ► seems strange to me I don't know how it's possible maybe it's like certain

00:30:54 ◼   ► face masks if they conform to your face, who knows right but I've heard it

00:30:58 ◼   ► happening to multiple people I think they were talking about it in ATP a few

00:31:02 ◼   ► weeks ago too like it's definitely a thing that some people are seeing I

00:31:06 ◼   ► don't know how it's possible but nevertheless that's why I want touch ID

00:31:09 ◼   ► to return because there are things like passwords on one password or whatever

00:31:15 ◼   ► and I'm entering in my entire like one password password instead of being able

00:31:19 ◼   ► to use biometrics because I'm on the train and trying to log into something right? So I would

00:31:24 ◼   ► love Touch ID to come back but I think that you're right if they did Touch ID in this iPad it would

00:31:31 ◼   ► really stick out if it wasn't in the iPhone 2. There's also some stuff about Apple watches but

00:31:38 ◼   ► we'll talk about that in a minute because we're going to go into that in a little bit more detail.

00:31:41 ◼   ► Just mention of over-ear headphones I'm super happy to hear about it because I'm really interested

00:31:47 ◼   ► in that product? Head Pods! I really hope this is finally coming true, they're being rumored for the

00:31:52 ◼   ► past year at least, and I think it's, uh, it would be good timing now, especially with the spatial

00:31:59 ◼   ► audio thing coming in iOS 14 that supposedly, you know... I want to try that out so bad, like, I want

00:32:05 ◼   ► to understand what that's all about, but that's just going to be one of those things we have to

00:32:09 ◼   ► wait for, right? Yeah, there's this whole thing that, well, spatial audio, it's not clear, like,

00:32:14 ◼   ► In theory, it's supposed to be working at the very least with Dolby Atmos movies.

00:32:18 ◼   ► And I saw some people saying that they added support for this in the last,

00:32:24 ◼   ► either in beta 5 or beta 6 of iOS 14.

00:32:26 ◼   ► And I tried it because I do have a bunch of Dolby Atmos purchases in my iTunes library.

00:32:32 ◼   ► But I couldn't notice any meaningful difference with the AirPods Pro.

00:32:35 ◼   ► - There's also the... - I thought that it required an AirPods firmware update.

00:32:40 ◼   ► - See, that's maybe that's what the issue is. I don't know.

00:32:43 ◼   ► Yeah, I thought that it's the same with the device switching.

00:32:47 ◼   ► Like, there has to be an AirPods update.

00:32:51 ◼   ► I guess, yeah. And in addition to spatial audio, there's also the

00:32:55 ◼   ► motion stuff happening with AirPods Pro. They have this motion

00:32:59 ◼   ► API that they announced at WWDC

00:33:03 ◼   ► that's supposed to allow you to use the

00:33:07 ◼   ► sensors in the AirPods Pro so that when you're playing

00:33:11 ◼   ► a game or doing something else, developers can actually see your motion in real time.

00:33:16 ◼   ► So they can do some interesting things with the motion of your head.

00:33:20 ◼   ► So that would also be very interesting if the AirPods studio or HeadPods, whatever they're

00:33:26 ◼   ► called, they also support this.

00:33:29 ◼   ► Personally speaking, I still have to find any documentation whatsoever for the Motion

00:33:34 ◼   ► API.

00:33:36 ◼   ► It's nowhere to be found on the Apple Developer website.

00:33:39 ◼   ► So I don't know, is this going to be one of the things that they announced at WWDC and

00:33:44 ◼   ► they actually never shipped or are never going to ship this year?

00:33:50 ◼   ► Motion API for AirPods.

00:33:51 ◼   ► Really fascinating on principle, like you can actually have motion data and combine

00:33:57 ◼   ► that with music players, with games, with video players.

00:34:00 ◼   ► I think it could be fun, but there's no documentation to be found still and it's September.

00:34:06 ◼   ► So we'll see, I guess.

00:34:08 ◼   ► All right, so what else do we have a smaller home pod I don't understand I

00:34:12 ◼   ► Can't get my head around this. I'm gonna need to see it. Yeah, I don't think people aren't buying

00:34:19 ◼   ► The home pod because of its size. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I think it's now if

00:34:24 ◼   ► Size if a smaller size equates to a much lower price, it may tick up a little bit

00:34:30 ◼   ► But I think we talked about a lot. I think it's still too expensive for what it is

00:34:35 ◼   ► Size isn't the issue here. The issue here is the poor Siri support compared to something like the Echo and

00:34:41 ◼   ► It's too expensive and it's not available worldwide still like it

00:34:45 ◼   ► There's a bunch of problems and I don't think size is the you know, the first of the list of the problems

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00:36:22 ◼   ► Mark Gorman dropped a little tidbit in his report that iOS 14 is still coming in September

00:36:28 ◼   ► If it's September 30th, it was still technically be September and I would feel a lot better about it

00:36:34 ◼   ► Are they going to drop iOS 14?

00:36:37 ◼   ► Before they have an event. I really don't understand why they need to do this

00:36:43 ◼   ► like I honestly like and and I'm trying to think like I'm not a

00:36:48 ◼   ► reviewer. I'm not biased. And I still cannot come up with any explanations. Like, why?

00:36:54 ◼   ► If there's nothing else, like, if there's no device that is coming out in September,

00:37:00 ◼   ► there is a new device that needs to have 14 pre-installed, what's the pressure?

00:37:06 ◼   ► Especially considering the messy and buggy rollout of last year, and especially, again,

00:37:12 ◼   ► look at the numbers, iOS has always been in beta, so that's before GM, always for the past few years

00:37:19 ◼   ► 100 days. Like, do you really want to break that pattern this time in 2020, considering the pandemic

00:37:25 ◼   ► and the last time and last year's poor reputation? I mean, they can do it, I really don't understand

00:37:33 ◼   ► why. And then the reviewer side of me says, "Well, I've been struggling with this, you know,

00:37:45 ◼   ► possibility for the past few, really since W2C. And, well, I've come to accept that it is a real

00:37:56 ◼   ► possibility that this is the year that maybe, depending on what Apple does, my review will

00:38:03 ◼   ► not be ready on day one. And I've come to this realization because unfortunately there have been

00:38:09 ◼   ► some other problems going on in my personal life these past couple of weeks that I... those have

00:38:15 ◼   ► the priority, right? Those are things that I need to take care of and they are the kinds of issues

00:38:22 ◼   ► that you need to drop everything work-related and take care of those. And so, because of those

00:38:27 ◼   ► circumstances that, of course, they happen in 2020, because of course, you know, might as well

00:38:33 ◼   ► be the year of all the crazy stuff happening, that, with that, and with the possibility that

00:38:40 ◼   ► no matter the delay, Apple is going to release in mid-September, well, I guess I will not be ready,

00:38:47 ◼   ► because I was banking on, you know, WWDC 20 days later than usual. I guess the review

00:38:53 ◼   ► is also going to be 20 days later than usual. And I've struggled with this information,

00:38:59 ◼   ► really struggled, I've been very stressed, especially in last month with, you know, the

00:39:05 ◼   ► idea of planning vacations and everything. And then I realized, you know, the review

00:39:12 ◼   ► will be ready when it's ready. And if I had to choose between rushing the review and having

00:39:17 ◼   ► a subpar product that I'm not happy with. And yes, by the way, I should clarify the

00:39:23 ◼   ► problems that I mentioned that are not personal problems to me. I'm totally fine. I just,

00:39:27 ◼   ► you know, family stuff that I'm supposed to be taking care of. Just, you know, people

00:39:31 ◼   ► get concerned and everything. I'm totally good. Not complete and everything. But yeah,

00:39:37 ◼   ► between choosing, you know, choosing between rushing the review and saying, well, you know

00:39:42 ◼   ► what, I'm just, I'm going to make it special. I'm going to pour all my energy into it. And

00:39:46 ◼   ► it's gonna be a week later then fine I guess you know I'm gotta hope that

00:39:51 ◼   ► people will still pay attention. It's not like it's not like you provide the manual

00:39:57 ◼   ► right the people good because the iOS because Federico's review isn't out

00:40:01 ◼   ► people are gonna download iOS 14 and be like well now what will I do? You know it's like it's

00:40:05 ◼   ► it's not essential it's just nice that it comes out on the same day right it's

00:40:09 ◼   ► nice that it comes out but I feel like the the value can be extracted from it

00:40:15 ◼   ► no matter when it comes out, so many people don't read it on day one, right?

00:40:21 ◼   ► They wait and go through it in their own pace or they, you know, they're like "Oh,

00:40:25 ◼   ► I'll read it this weekend" or whatever. And if you're gonna be late one year, this

00:40:31 ◼   ► is the year you can be late. It's gonna be fine, people will understand. But still,

00:40:36 ◼   ► you could still have more than enough notice to get things to a place where

00:40:42 ◼   ► you're happy with them. You know, we don't know, right? But I think it is, it's time

00:40:47 ◼   ► for everybody who is developing apps, who's thinking about getting them ready for day

00:40:52 ◼   ► one, who's writing reviews, preparing special content to realize, look, you might miss day

00:40:58 ◼   ► one this year and you know what? Nothing bad is going to happen. You're going to be totally

00:41:03 ◼   ► fine.

00:41:04 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah. So like I said, um, I've been thinking about it very long. I've been discussing

00:41:09 ◼   ► it with Sylvia. I'm going to try real hard. If it has to be late, I'm going to try real

00:41:13 ◼   ► hard to make it extra special in terms of, like, the perks that you will find in it and

00:41:18 ◼   ► the examples. Like, I've been testing so many different apps, it's kind of ridiculous. So

00:41:22 ◼   ► to try and make it as unique as possible so that even if it's late, there still can be

00:41:29 ◼   ► value in it, you know. And this is something that I've actually been working toward for

00:41:35 ◼   ► the past few years to make something that is not like a rehash of a press release but

00:41:39 ◼   ► that has opinions and details and examples and, you know, shortcuts and scripts that

00:41:45 ◼   ► you can download inside of it and the special design. All those things have been, you know,

00:41:51 ◼   ► done so that the review can stand on its own even months later. And I've been fortunate

00:41:57 ◼   ► enough to hear from people saying, "I didn't read the review the first week and I actually,

00:42:03 ◼   ► I've been reading it slowly through the course of October and I really enjoyed it.

00:42:08 ◼   ► And that makes me really happy because it means it's something that people can revisit and can read even later

00:42:13 ◼   ► because they find it useful and they find it entertaining.

00:42:17 ◼   ► So that makes me really happy.

00:42:19 ◼   ► And that's what I'm saying. You do not produce the manual, right?

00:42:23 ◼   ► You are not producing purposefully. This is how you use iOS 14. It's not what it is.

00:42:31 ◼   ► Yeah, you look at each feature you describe it to as much as it needs description and then give your opinion on it

00:42:37 ◼   ► Because you might write a review

00:42:39 ◼   ► Review being a little later does not mean that the review is invalidated now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but I

00:42:47 ◼   ► You know how you can here's how I can make you feel better. I think I can do this, right? Yeah, you have reviewed many

00:42:55 ◼   ► products every iPhone every iPad and

00:42:59 ◼   ► And many of those reviews you've published after you bought the phone, not when you were given them.

00:43:05 ◼   ► Very true. Very true.

00:43:06 ◼   ► And those stories have always done well because you take the time to put your opinions and your thoughts into them and the stories do great.

00:43:14 ◼   ► And the more unique they were, the better they performed, actually. Like last year's Rome photographic tour. That went really well.

00:43:23 ◼   ► It was very expensive for the CDN because of the full resolution.

00:43:27 ◼   ► You win something, you lose something.

00:43:29 ◼   ► It's very expensive.

00:43:30 ◼   ► But also you have the thing that a lot of people won't have in that you are Federico

00:43:36 ◼   ► Vatici and people want your review.

00:43:39 ◼   ► And it is your unfair advantage, right?

00:43:41 ◼   ► But like, you've built that, right?

00:43:44 ◼   ► Like you've built that advantage over time.

00:43:47 ◼   ► But that's the thing, right?

00:43:49 ◼   ► Don't rest on it, right?

00:43:50 ◼   ► So like, don't be like, "Ah, it will come when it comes."

00:43:53 ◼   ► -Exactly. -Work your butt off to get it out as soon as you can,

00:43:57 ◼   ► but don't pull your hair out because you didn't make it.

00:44:00 ◼   ► I know, I know. It's just that one of my greatest fears is becoming complacent.

00:44:05 ◼   ► But this isn't complacency, Federico.

00:44:08 ◼   ► The extreme is becoming irrelevant because you don't care anymore.

00:44:13 ◼   ► We've seen that happen to a bunch of older people.

00:44:15 ◼   ► And I still, like, every day I feel like the probable fire has been lit under my behind.

00:44:23 ◼   ► because I gotta feel like that, you know?

00:44:26 ◼   ► I gotta feel like, you know, I need to do more and more,

00:44:31 ◼   ► but you reach a certain point where

00:44:32 ◼   ► other things have the priority.

00:44:36 ◼   ► And also, I reached the point where,

00:44:40 ◼   ► because I did this to myself years ago, for example,

00:44:43 ◼   ► you know, the insane work schedule,

00:44:46 ◼   ► and the never resting, and the never sleeping,

00:44:49 ◼   ► And I knew firsthand where that took me.

00:44:52 ◼   ► You know, I reached a certain point where I'm like,

00:44:56 ◼   ► okay, I'm gonna do my best to try and be ready in time.

00:44:59 ◼   ► But then health and family and mental health

00:45:03 ◼   ► have the priority always.

00:45:04 ◼   ► - And also the quality of the work.

00:45:07 ◼   ► - And the, exactly.

00:45:08 ◼   ► - Right, like if you rush it too much,

00:45:11 ◼   ► it's not going to give people

00:45:13 ◼   ► what they have then waited for.

00:45:15 ◼   ► You take a little bit of extra time

00:45:18 ◼   ► and you get it right and you do it.

00:45:19 ◼   ► - But again, this is not set in stone.

00:45:22 ◼   ► Nothing of this is because still--

00:45:25 ◼   ► - You may have until the middle of October.

00:45:26 ◼   ► Nobody actually really knows, right?

00:45:29 ◼   ► - German rarely is wrong about this stuff.

00:45:32 ◼   ► So I tend to, I would say leaning like 70% mark is right.

00:45:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, but you've got a lot of September left.

00:45:41 ◼   ► - There's a lot of September left and I'm about 60%,

00:45:45 ◼   ► I would say, done with the review.

00:45:47 ◼   ► The final 40% is much easier, thankfully, because the really hard stuff I did before.

00:45:53 ◼   ► And it's just, especially the past two weeks have been crazy, so I was hoping to be at a different stage of writing, but I'm not.

00:46:01 ◼   ► So yeah, I mean, whatever. If it's late September, I can probably manage.

00:46:08 ◼   ► If it's mid-September, I can tell you right now I'm positive I will not be ready mid-September.

00:46:13 ◼   ► But then it's just up to you, right?

00:46:14 ◼   ► Because like when the review comes out,

00:46:16 ◼   ► there's obviously people paying attention because it's iOS 14 day.

00:46:21 ◼   ► But on that day, there's a lot of stuff happening. Yeah.

00:46:25 ◼   ► If you do it an amount of days later,

00:46:29 ◼   ► you can make that day your day. It's Federico's day.

00:46:32 ◼   ► Yeah, that's that's a good point.

00:46:34 ◼   ► That's a good point.

00:46:35 ◼   ► And I know this like it was pros and cons and like no one really knows

00:46:38 ◼   ► how it's going to go.

00:46:39 ◼   ► But like, I really don't think that you are going to have

00:46:43 ◼   ► a wor... and again, I'll give you another example. Do you remember that time when no one could read the review?

00:46:49 ◼   ► Oh my god.

00:46:50 ◼   ► What was that, iOS 12?

00:46:52 ◼   ► iOS 11 and the website went down and I was at the vet for a Zelda emergency.

00:47:02 ◼   ► So no one could get the review, right? No one could read it. It was like... it was dead for many hours.

00:47:09 ◼   ► But that year was fine, right? The reviews still did well, the numbers were great, even

00:47:15 ◼   ► though people had to come back to get it. People want what you were producing because

00:47:23 ◼   ► you have built a reputation for producing something which is worth reading, and that

00:47:30 ◼   ► is because you've been doing this for how many years?

00:47:33 ◼   ► Well, formally, since iOS 9, like officially the Mac Stories review started with 9.

00:47:40 ◼   ► So you've got like five years of people expecting this thing, they know it's gonna be good.

00:47:47 ◼   ► So they'll want it, the people will want it no matter when it comes, right?

00:47:52 ◼   ► You'll be fine.

00:47:54 ◼   ► Don't take this as the ability to publish it in January, right?

00:47:57 ◼   ► But like, if you're a couple of weeks late, you'll be fine.

00:48:02 ◼   ► also as well like people won't even have their iPhones like people will update the 14 but

00:48:06 ◼   ► it won't have a new phone, you can wait till they get the new phone and they'll do it then

00:48:10 ◼   ► whatever you know or like 14 will be out but so many app developers are not ready that

00:48:16 ◼   ► people can't even take advantage of the features anyway if you get out on day one right because

00:48:19 ◼   ► there's barely any widgets in the store maybe who knows like thank you for this it makes

00:48:24 ◼   ► me feel really really good and better honestly good it will come together right like this

00:48:31 ◼   ► This is just a year where so much stuff is messed up.

00:48:35 ◼   ► Right, like look, Apple's going to have the iPhone late.

00:48:38 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:48:39 ◼   ► Right?

00:48:40 ◼   ► One of them might not come out for two months after when we'd expect.

00:48:43 ◼   ► I guess I can be late.

00:48:44 ◼   ► Yes.

00:48:45 ◼   ► I mean, they're even late.

00:48:46 ◼   ► Yes, you could be late.

00:48:47 ◼   ► I don't have billions.

00:48:48 ◼   ► I don't have billions.

00:48:49 ◼   ► I have a bunch of euros in my pocket.

00:48:50 ◼   ► I don't have billions.

00:48:51 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I still don't get it though.

00:48:54 ◼   ► Like I said, why does it need to come out in September?

00:48:57 ◼   ► Like all things aside.

00:48:58 ◼   ► We've spoken about this.

00:48:59 ◼   ► We were speaking about this last week, right?

00:49:01 ◼   ► Like it is possible that Apple's internal timelines, they're meeting them.

00:49:06 ◼   ► This is what we were talking about.

00:49:08 ◼   ► Like the timeline you started started when WWDC started, but Apple's timeline probably

00:49:13 ◼   ► started a month before that.

00:49:15 ◼   ► They may have started there like we're on beta one when WWDC would have been.

00:49:20 ◼   ► So they got three weeks on you, right?

00:49:22 ◼   ► Because the first set of betas were incredibly stable, right?

00:49:27 ◼   ► Speak of antitrust, right?

00:49:28 ◼   ► And it's anti-competitive advantage over you.

00:49:34 ◼   ► They're using their advantage on you again.

00:49:37 ◼   ► Yet again.

00:49:38 ◼   ► Yet again.

00:49:39 ◼   ► And those are anti-competitive behaviors.

00:49:42 ◼   ► You can see it everywhere.

00:49:43 ◼   ► But you know what I mean though, right?

00:49:44 ◼   ► Like yeah, you're tracking the beta process, but that's the publicly seen process.

00:49:51 ◼   ► They have their own internal timelines.

00:49:53 ◼   ► Yeah, and speaking of which, today should have been Beta 7 day, but it's not.

00:50:00 ◼   ► It was for the Apple Watch.

00:50:02 ◼   ► It was for the Apple Watch, only the Apple Watch though.

00:50:05 ◼   ► But it might be, they're putting out 13.7 today, so it might be like an all hands on

00:50:11 ◼   ► deck type of thing, right?

00:50:13 ◼   ► Could be later today for Beta 7 or could be tomorrow, but I still think it's gonna be

00:50:17 ◼   ► weekly, so this week, at some point this week.

00:50:20 ◼   ► - Yep, iOS, in case anybody's missed out, iOS 13.7

00:50:23 ◼   ► with the exposure notification 2.0 is out today.

00:50:28 ◼   ► Although funnily in the release notes,

00:50:32 ◼   ► Apple just republished the iOS 13 release notes,

00:50:35 ◼   ► which is very weird.

00:50:36 ◼   ► - Gosh, come on Apple.

00:50:38 ◼   ► - So the release notes talk about like,

00:50:41 ◼   ► dark mode is here, right?

00:50:43 ◼   ► It's like it was a whole year ago.

00:50:45 ◼   ► It was a whole year ago.

00:50:46 ◼   ► - Well, yeah.

00:50:48 ◼   ► iOS 13.7 introduces new Memoji stickers and iCloud drive folder sharing from the Files

00:50:53 ◼   ► app.

00:50:54 ◼   ► This update also includes bug fixes and improvements.

00:50:56 ◼   ► Sure.

00:50:57 ◼   ► Easier times.

00:50:59 ◼   ► Federico, I agree with everything Myke said.

00:51:02 ◼   ► I kind of just let him go.

00:51:05 ◼   ► One thing I will add though is it's not like you're doing this in secret, right?

00:51:10 ◼   ► It's not like iOS 14 day comes, say, you know, heaven forbid it's in two weeks and there's

00:51:17 ◼   ► no Mac Stories review and people are just left wondering. You're talking about it here

00:51:21 ◼   ► on Connected, you're talking about it on social media, your other shows. People who follow

00:51:25 ◼   ► you are going to know what's going on. And so you're not leaving people in the dark.

00:51:31 ◼   ► If anything, I think us talking about it so much this year, I feel like we've talked about

00:51:36 ◼   ► it more in advance this year than in previous years. If anything, that keeps people engaged,

00:51:41 ◼   ► looking forward to it. So I think you're communicating with people. I don't think anyone's going

00:51:45 ◼   ► to feel upset or tricked or like, "Where is it? I feel like I deserve this." You are doing

00:51:52 ◼   ► the right things when it comes to communicating this in advance. So yeah, work hard, don't

00:51:57 ◼   ► kill yourself over it, and when it's done, post it.

00:52:01 ◼   ► And the real hardcore tiki heads, right? That's your fan base, by the way.

00:52:06 ◼   ► Okay.

00:52:07 ◼   ► That's a better name for that. It's gotta be.

00:52:09 ◼   ► No, it's good. As good as it is. I think they would be surprised now if you did put it out

00:52:13 ◼   ► when I was a little teen comes out. Yeah. Right? I think at this point people are expecting

00:52:19 ◼   ► you to be late. What about uh, fan of Rico's? No. T.G. heads is kinda nice. T.G. heads,

00:52:30 ◼   ► what else could we do? It's kinda nice. I don't know. So, yeah, but still, thank you

00:52:36 ◼   ► both for the advice and words of encouragement. I will not kill myself over it. It's still a lesson

00:52:44 ◼   ► that I'm trying to learn and sometimes I think this year has gone better in terms of managing

00:52:52 ◼   ► my stress levels and managing my work hours. Also because in a way, I think in a way,

00:52:59 ◼   ► the pandemic helped in that I wanted to spend more time with my friends this summer,

00:53:07 ◼   ► more time than usual, because of the lockdown months prior. So in a sort of weird and twisted

00:53:13 ◼   ► way, the pandemic kind of helped there. But still, this is still something that is very much

00:53:20 ◼   ► on my mind every single day, like making progress on this thing. But we'll see. But I agree.

00:53:28 ◼   ► if I had to choose between "rush it out" or "take your time and be happy with it",

00:53:34 ◼   ► because I know that these stories I use myself again later as reference, I couldn't stand the

00:53:43 ◼   ► thought of "have it be something that is not as polished as usual". So, I will take your advice,

00:53:51 ◼   ► guys, very gladly. Just, you know, you want to make it right, right? Yeah. Make it right.

00:53:57 ◼   ► Don't make it wrong and then take advantage of the fact if you are late, maybe you'll

00:54:04 ◼   ► have more apps that you can feature with the features.

00:54:10 ◼   ► You might get to do something that you never get to do, which would be to show large applications

00:54:17 ◼   ► from large companies.

00:54:18 ◼   ► Because typically you show indie apps from people that are in the community because they

00:54:24 ◼   ► they will send you the betas, but you maybe don't get your hands on more mainstream applications.

00:54:30 ◼   ► Our friends at Google docs are always there on day one.

00:54:32 ◼   ► I will work with Google to bring you the exclusive.

00:54:38 ◼   ► You might get that.

00:54:41 ◼   ► Pastor Boy in the chat has made a good suggestion for tichy fans, seniors.

00:54:44 ◼   ► That's a deep cut.

00:54:46 ◼   ► That's a deep cut right there.

00:54:49 ◼   ► There was one more product that Mark Gurman spoke about, which was quite a surprise to

00:54:54 ◼   ► me related to the Apple Watch, which we'll talk about just after this break.

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00:57:47 ◼   ► All right, so I was quite surprised about this, both to see it in Mark Gorman's report

00:57:52 ◼   ► and then Steven, you put some extra links in, kind of talking about some rumors and

00:57:56 ◼   ► some possibilities of this product, that we'll see two Apple Watches.

00:58:01 ◼   ► Now this doesn't mean what we've seen in the past, where they're going to be Apple Watches

00:58:04 ◼   ► with different materials.

00:58:05 ◼   ► may be the case but we're talking two products here. One will be a successor to

00:58:10 ◼   ► the Series 5. Not really sure what's going to go into that. I mean I don't know if I

00:58:15 ◼   ► don't think we're gonna see a Series 4 to Series 5 where we were like I don't

00:58:20 ◼   ► know what the Apple Watch is gonna get and they were like BAM here's some

00:58:24 ◼   ► always-on screens right like I don't that was a big surprise I don't know if

00:58:29 ◼   ► we'll see that. I would really love to see what they would what I'd seen rumors

00:58:33 ◼   ► about before about like sensors that could detect stress and stuff like that

00:58:38 ◼   ► and like panic attacks like that feels like a really good place to move for the

00:58:43 ◼   ► Apple watch I guess most people are hoping for more battery life I guess

00:58:47 ◼   ► which could happen with the removal of the force touch sensors in the display

00:58:53 ◼   ► although personally I would like to actually see the watch get thinner

00:58:57 ◼   ► rather than more battery but that's just my own tastes do either of you have any

00:59:01 ◼   ► thoughts as to what you think could be in the Series 5 or what you'd want to

00:59:05 ◼   ► see? Sorry, in the Series 6 I guess it would be, wouldn't it?

00:59:08 ◼   ► Yeah, those sensors, what is it, the blood, the oxygen level, that could be really interesting. I think

00:59:15 ◼   ► it's something that I would personally want, especially in the context of, I

00:59:19 ◼   ► guess it could be integrated with sleep tracking somehow. I'm sure more data can

00:59:24 ◼   ► always help there. And for managing stress levels and anxiety to detect

00:59:30 ◼   ► panic attacks and to have that integration with the Breathe app for example, it could

00:59:35 ◼   ► be really fascinating to have. And it's the kind of hardware addition that could spawn

00:59:40 ◼   ► a lot of new categories of apps on the watch, I feel like. And battery life, I agree. It's

00:59:47 ◼   ► also something that I would welcome. The design itself is fine. I could go for some more thinness.

00:59:54 ◼   ► I could go for a thinner watch, but it's not like if I were to choose that sensor and longer

01:00:01 ◼   ► battery, you can never go wrong with that, especially in the context of sleep tracking.

01:00:05 ◼   ► So if they can get even a couple extra hours out of the watch, I think I would like that.

01:00:10 ◼   ► What about you, Steven?

01:00:11 ◼   ► Do you have anything specific?

01:00:13 ◼   ► No, I think I'm on board with all of that.

01:00:16 ◼   ► I mean, it really feels like this could be the Apple Watch's moment to shine.

01:00:22 ◼   ► They're doing the hand washing stuff in the new watch OS,

01:00:25 ◼   ► but if they could use even the hardware it already has

01:00:29 ◼   ► or with a new sensor to make this a more useful tool

01:00:32 ◼   ► given our current era, I think it would be great.

01:00:36 ◼   ► Whether or not they can do that, I don't know.

01:00:39 ◼   ► As far as battery life versus thinness,

01:00:41 ◼   ► and if they pull out the 3D touch, force touch layer,

01:00:45 ◼   ► that will give them a little more space.

01:00:48 ◼   ► I think battery life is pretty good on the Series 5.

01:00:50 ◼   ► Now I have the big one.

01:00:51 ◼   ► My wife has the smaller size and if she works out for say an hour, she's charging her watch

01:00:56 ◼   ► you know, at dinner time most days.

01:00:58 ◼   ► So I think while I personally would like to see the watch a little thinner, my guess is

01:01:04 ◼   ► that they would maybe lean towards battery life, especially if sleep tracking is present

01:01:09 ◼   ► or some other sensors that may take up additional power.

01:01:12 ◼   ► I think they're, I can't imagine that Apple's willing to sort of level off on the battery

01:01:17 ◼   ► life yet like they have on the iPad, right?

01:01:19 ◼   ► iPads get 10 hours of battery life. That's how it's always been. Fuck the

01:01:22 ◼   ► watch could expand that a little bit.

01:01:24 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't think that we've hit the sweet spot for battery yet. Like it did

01:01:29 ◼   ► happen. And then it changed again for a lot of people, right? The watchOS 6

01:01:35 ◼   ► changed it. And obviously the always on display has changed a little bit, they

01:01:38 ◼   ► could definitely go further. I don't think anyone's going to complain to get

01:01:42 ◼   ► more right. Like it's definitely a product that could do always do with

01:01:45 ◼   ► more battery life but just like if I was going to make a decision I don't have

01:01:50 ◼   ► problems in the battery because I barely wear mine but when I do wear it I always

01:01:54 ◼   ► want it to be a little thinner than it is. So that's the Series 6 I mean we'll

01:01:59 ◼   ► get what we get on that one but then there is a talk of a new Apple Watch

01:02:05 ◼   ► product to replace the Series 3 watch a lower end model to compete with

01:02:12 ◼   ► companies like Fitbit. Now I'm assuming what that means is compete on price not

01:02:18 ◼   ► on product offering and I guess the question is what is this product what

01:02:25 ◼   ► does it cost and what does it do? Right? Is this an Apple watch? Like it's a

01:02:32 ◼   ► watch? I think I think it is. It has to be a watch. I look at this the way maybe Apple

01:02:38 ◼   ► looks at the iPhone right so until the new SE came along we had the 11 the 11

01:02:44 ◼   ► Pro those phones and the 8 was just sitting there getting kind of older and

01:02:48 ◼   ► older and I think that's where the Apple Watch series 3 is it's still for sale

01:02:52 ◼   ► it's still a good watch but not the current design a little bit slower on

01:02:57 ◼   ► the processor than the series 4 and series 5 and I could see Apple and one

01:03:03 ◼   ► of these blog posts we're gonna put in the show notes even like floats the idea

01:03:06 ◼   ► of Apple Watch SE is the name,

01:03:09 ◼   ► of take that sort of classic design

01:03:12 ◼   ► and give it more modern internals

01:03:14 ◼   ► and keep the price really low.

01:03:15 ◼   ► Because look, if you wanna spend three, four, $500

01:03:20 ◼   ► on an Apple Watch, it's easy to do,

01:03:22 ◼   ► but to really get down and like finish off Fitbit

01:03:25 ◼   ► in terms of pricing, they've gotta be able

01:03:28 ◼   ► to go less expensive than even the Series 3 is.

01:03:33 ◼   ► So I think that would be a route they would go.

01:03:37 ◼   ► Now, in terms of the thought,

01:03:39 ◼   ► I think Myke, you were getting at, like, is it a watch?

01:03:40 ◼   ► Like, is there room for Apple to do something

01:03:43 ◼   ► like a wristband that does all the fitness stuff

01:03:47 ◼   ► but doesn't have a screen and just, you know,

01:03:51 ◼   ► deals like with an iPhone and the activity app or something?

01:03:54 ◼   ► - I was also thinking that like,

01:03:56 ◼   ► it could have a screen with some information on it,

01:03:59 ◼   ► but it's different.

01:03:59 ◼   ► I mean, like the Apple Watch Series 3

01:04:02 ◼   ► starts at $199. How much cheaper can they go? Like, how much cheaper do they need to go? What is

01:04:09 ◼   ► the Fitbit? Like, I don't know. I've never really looked at Fitbits. Like, how much cheaper do they

01:04:15 ◼   ► need to be to continue to compete, right? Like, what is the Fitbits around that price, right? I

01:04:23 ◼   ► mean, the Inspire 2 is maybe like $100. I don't know. So, the Fitbit Versa 3, which looks like

01:04:30 ◼   ► like an Apple watch is $229 and then they go down from there.

01:04:36 ◼   ► You know they've got, they keep older styles around the Versa 2 is still around and they

01:04:40 ◼   ► have their stuff that's not really smart watches but more like traditional Fitbit and you can

01:04:46 ◼   ► get down to $100.

01:04:47 ◼   ► They're $69 even for the kids one.

01:04:49 ◼   ► So I think it would be interesting for Apple to do a product like this.

01:04:54 ◼   ► Honestly if Apple did one of these with no screen or like minimal screen then you could

01:05:01 ◼   ► have all the activity stuff and then wear a traditional watch for those people who want

01:05:05 ◼   ► to do that.

01:05:06 ◼   ► I would kind of like them to make something that had all the sensors in and connected

01:05:10 ◼   ► to my iPhone so I could wear whatever watch I wanted and then on the other wrist wear

01:05:14 ◼   ► this like Apple band that just has the sensors.

01:05:19 ◼   ► I would like that, right?

01:05:21 ◼   ► Because that's effectively what I do with my Apple Watch.

01:05:23 ◼   ► I don't really have any notifications to go to it.

01:05:26 ◼   ► I just wear it for seeing the time, but any of my watches can do that and then

01:05:31 ◼   ► just have the sensors going on.

01:05:32 ◼   ► And I could imagine that being like a very interesting product, but here's the

01:05:37 ◼   ► other part that I wanted to float by you too, right?

01:05:39 ◼   ► The iPhone SE is a product that's like, oh, we made it because it's like, you

01:05:47 ◼   ► know, this is the classic design, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:50 ◼   ► Right.

01:05:51 ◼   ► What if the Series 6 looks very different and the SE looks like how the Apple Watch

01:05:57 ◼   ► quote unquote used to look and it's cheaper, right? Because the iPhone SE does not look like

01:06:02 ◼   ► the current iPhone, never has, look like an old iPhone. So why would they need to introduce

01:06:08 ◼   ► this product anyway? Like why could they not keep the Series 3 around and put a new chip in it or

01:06:16 ◼   ► like what like you know what i mean like why do they need two watches that look the same but like

01:06:22 ◼   ► this is it's already the current model like why like like the current idea is they have two watches

01:06:28 ◼   ► one's cheaper one's not why do they need to introduce it as a separate product like what's the

01:06:33 ◼   ► difference what's the value proposition why are they doing that yeah i don't know i mean maybe

01:06:38 ◼   ► it's it's just a solidification of apple's like product strategy and if you give it a name like

01:06:45 ◼   ► SE then it doesn't look as bad when you go to the Apple website. It's like, "Oh, I can

01:06:49 ◼   ► choose between the Series 3 and the Series 6." I think you can update it, give it a slightly

01:06:55 ◼   ► different name, and it'd be okay. In the eyes of people shopping, they don't feel like they're

01:07:00 ◼   ► getting something that's three years old. So, I don't know. It's just so interesting

01:07:04 ◼   ► because it feels like the watch could be on the verge of like really coming into its own

01:07:09 ◼   ► in a new way and I wanted to. I mean I would, you know, I would love to see them continue to

01:07:14 ◼   ► continue to expand it, reach more people with it. Yeah, I could go for... I was thinking that it

01:07:23 ◼   ► would be interesting to see like a cheaper watch that has the modern design, so the Series 4 design,

01:07:29 ◼   ► without the always-on display, but with modern chips inside. So not always on display, new design,

01:07:38 ◼   ► modern chips and things like Always On and I don't know, what's like another new feature.

01:07:44 ◼   ► Now maybe that's the, I guess, the one of the premium features that could still remain

01:07:51 ◼   ► exclusive to the higher price line, but so something that has, just like the iPhone SE,

01:07:56 ◼   ► has like modern components inside, but in this case I really feel like Apple should be moving

01:08:03 ◼   ► away from the old Series 3 design of the Apple Watch with the squared off edges and all that.

01:08:10 ◼   ► I really think they should, if they release a new one, I really think they should still

01:08:14 ◼   ► have the latest design on this model.

01:08:20 ◼   ► But I would understand if they were to cut some of the features from it, and it feels

01:08:25 ◼   ► like the Always-On Display could be one of them.

01:08:28 ◼   ► I don't know, it's your thought, Myke, that what if the Series 6 is entirely different?

01:08:35 ◼   ► That is a very interesting idea that I hadn't considered before.

01:08:38 ◼   ► Like what if they do this with the current design but then it's the Series 6 that's actually

01:08:43 ◼   ► changing?

01:08:44 ◼   ► I don't know how I feel about it.

01:08:47 ◼   ► Maybe it's a little too early for the Apple Watch to change again?

01:08:50 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:08:51 ◼   ► But I don't think it's ever really changed.

01:08:53 ◼   ► yeah series 4 brought in the like the UI goes to the edges kind of thing but it's

01:09:00 ◼   ► I mean like you put a series 5 and a series 3 next to each other when the

01:09:03 ◼   ► screens are not on and they look the same right like I have wanted for a

01:09:10 ◼   ► while to see some some significant visible change in the Apple watches

01:09:16 ◼   ► industrial design like it's it's a fashion item it shouldn't stay the same

01:09:21 ◼   ► Like I would like to see something change, you know, like I know people don't like this idea, but I do

01:09:26 ◼   ► I would like this I would like to see a round Apple watch. I just would I

01:09:30 ◼   ► like round watches I

01:09:33 ◼   ► Would like to see what Apple could do with a round Apple watch

01:09:36 ◼   ► So the other thing that I just thought of is like what if the SE is basically the four?

01:09:42 ◼   ► so they they take what you know is that they basically make an Apple watch where the

01:09:49 ◼   ► the UI goes all the way to the edges and you know, it's a it's basically closer to the Apple watch series 4 than the series 3

01:09:57 ◼   ► and then they move forward from there and the reason they give it a name is because

01:10:01 ◼   ► There isn't a product like I'm not gonna put the series 5 down into that bracket because it's they can't make it that cheap yet

01:10:07 ◼   ► But there is because they retired the series 4 there isn't a product to take it over

01:10:12 ◼   ► So they create a quote unquote new product that's effectively an Apple watch series 4

01:10:17 ◼   ► And call it the Apple watch se this is like the least exciting or interesting of the potential ideas that we've had in this

01:10:25 ◼   ► Topic but maybe feels like the most logical based on like not wanting to keep dragging around the old UI design forever

01:10:32 ◼   ► - so they don't have to keep supporting that going forward

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