311: The Rickies (September 2020)
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- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 311.
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It is made possible this week by our sponsors,
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Squarespace, Mint Mobile, and Pingdom.
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My name is Stephen Hackett
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and I am joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.
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- Hey, that's it, that's all you got?
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- Wow, so much tension already.
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There is no, look, we're at war today.
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- Play to win, wow.
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- Yeah, we're at war today.
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I'm not giving away anything.
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All you get from me is hi.
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- Federico, how are you?
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- Hi, I'm good.
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And unlike my co-host, I can talk to you.
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- Yeah, I appreciate that.
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Well, maybe make follow up go faster if he can't talk.
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- Still not saying anything.
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It's just silent.
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- I don't even know if he's still here.
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Oh, he left the show.
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- I'm not in the conversation.
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having a conversation you know I'm biding my time I call pointed words today only when
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needed okay so if you we can call you back in like 30 minutes well just when it's time
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for the rookies yeah I can just go over my list and make sure it's all good no I'm here
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I'm here I'm in it I'm in it to win it sure if that's what you think defending world champion
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in it for second place it cool can I talk about St. Jude for a second please do yes I would like
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to do that so September is childhood cancer awareness month and every year us at Relay and
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a bunch of our friends we spend time to raise money and talk about St. Jude Children's Research
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Hospital so what is Children's Research Hospital you may ask why why do you need something like
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that. Well, it turns out that cancer is the number one disease that kills young
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people. It is something that St. Jude through their over 50 years of history
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have gotten childhood cancer from a 20% survival rate to an 80% survival rate. So
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they've made incredible progress over the last five to six decades, but there's
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still so much more to do. And you may think, "Well, Steven, who put you in
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charges talking about this well let me tell you a little story so now 11 and a
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half years ago my wife and I we had our first child and at his six-month healthy
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baby checkup you know where they go and they measure them and do all the stuff
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the doctor had some concerns and we went really in about 72 hours from having
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healthy baby boy or we thought was a healthy baby boy to a baby boy that was
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undergoing a pretty extensive brain surgery to remove what would be a pretty
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large cancerous tumor and that set off the journey we're still on today. We went
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from that initial surgery to St. Jude where he underwent 18 rounds of
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chemotherapy over the course of about two years, countless MRIs, physical
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therapy, occupational therapy, all the stuff that goes along with it. Because
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when you when you treat cancer there's a bunch of stuff you got to do. It's not
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just about the tumors but all this knock-on effects all this stuff and a
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couple things about that are incredible. One, my son is now a cancer survivor.
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That's a word we get to use in our household now because he, through the
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the wonderful people at St. Jude, is in fifth grade now and is getting ready to
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turn 12 and to see him running in the backyard playing with his younger
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brother and sister it's a miracle and it is a miracle kind of brought into the
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world through St. Jude. But as incredible as that is, and it really is incredible,
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St. Jude has never billed my family a dime for that care. We're talking 11 and
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a half years of care. It's ongoing. Like, there are still things we were dealing
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with, and St. Jude just takes care of us, just like they do all of their other
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patient families. And they can do that because people like me and you donate
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and give to St. Jude. So if you go to stjude.org/relay, we are in the
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middle of our campaign for them this year. As I record this as I'm speaking
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right now we are approaching $160,000 raised. Yes we are. Which is simply incredible.
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Come on everyone. Unbelievable. It is. Thank you. I have a little chart showing
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that how incredible it is because the Apple community always gets behind this
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every year which is really cool and really humbling but this year in
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particular it's we've been off to a really good start. But there's a lot more
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to go. Next Friday we will be hosting the second annual podcast-a-thon, a six hour
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live video show on our Twitch channel where it's me and Myke hosting sort of
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a you know old-school telethon mixed with some sort of podcast extravaganza
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having a bunch of relay hosts on, Jason Snell is doing a big thing for it. It's
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gonna be a lot of fun so that's on Friday September 18th from 2 to 8 p.m.
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Eastern. Intermix that they will be talking about St. Jude, sharing a lot
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about the hospital. We have some really cool stuff planned this year. I can't wait to share
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with everybody what we've been working on. This project has been going on since February.
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We've really put a lot of work into it this year with the people at St. Jude and Alsac
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and we are super excited everyone's on board. So go check it out. StJude.org/relay.
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We had some follow up about backhoes, but I guess most importantly, how was your excavator
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Well it was a backhoe, it was not an excavator first of all.
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It was good, we got the sewer line replaced and there's a big scar across my yard and
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I'm probably going to have to put some more dirt in and definitely have to buy some more
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grass at some point.
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But it was a successful two day mission to replace all that piping deep, very far under
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my front yard.
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But the most important part is, was this machine called.
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And so I talked to the guys about this, and then Dr. Drang, we have a link to a blog
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I see right in 2014 about this, and what the crew came to my house at least is a backhoe
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loader, or backhoe for short.
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So it has the bucket, like you scoop things up, bucket in the front, and then the excavator
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like arm with smaller bucket on the back, that's what they used to destroy my yard.
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And it's a backhoe, that's what they call it, that's what it is.
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It is distinct, it seems like, from these other--
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Wait, wait, wait. You see, there's an issue in the logic there I just want to confirm.
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You said that's what they call it, that's what it is. Those two things aren't necessarily
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the same thing.
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Okay, look, the name on Dr. Drang's post is "Bakho Loader". They just lop off the last
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word. It doesn't confuse it with anything else because everything is called an excavator.
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But how can we be so sure that Dr. Drang is telling the truth? And it's not just to prove
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Because he's a snowman, he can't lie.
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The collusion has begun.
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this is all like part of a big like Q-Excalator conspiracy type of deal.
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Like they're both part of big backhoe. This is the deep excavation state that we're facing.
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Wow. So six years ago Dr. Drang wrote a blog post. We don't know that. He could have written
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it two days ago and just dated it six years ago. Do any of us remember this backhoe post?
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How can you even know? Did you read it six years ago?
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Probably. I don't remember.
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Okay, I don't know. I mean, the tweet by Marco Arment that he's referencing doesn't even exist anymore.
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Yeah, but I've deleted all my tweets twice. That's not a thing.
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Yeah, but we all know how easy it is to fake a Twitter screenshot.
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Also, those are not screenshots. Those are like his custom Twitter embeds.
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Those are not screenshots.
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So, and when you click on the link, it goes nowhere. So, I'm leaning towards conspiracy theory here.
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this is a backdated article with tweets that were never actually sent to further this theory of the
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backhoe being the correct name for what is actually an excavator. And what are these other
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things? Like, what is a scraper? Like, have you ever seen a scraper? I just want to know why.
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Yeah, like that thing does not exist. It's like something from a video game. A scraper,
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a soil compactor, like this sounds like tools straight out of Animal Crossing
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that don't sound like actual things.
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We're gonna get to the bottom of this.
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We did, in my front yard, when I asked the guy who's done it for 50 years
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what is this machine called and he said "abaco".
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Neither of us were there to corroborate this.
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The guy is in on the thing.
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Well, I'm pleased that your gardening and your plumbing situation has been resolved.
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Yes. So far so good.
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good shall we move on to another piece of heavy equipment mm-hmm mm-hmm I put
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the wheels on my Mac Pro this weekend you sure did didn't you I did it as a
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live stream part of the podcast-a-thon run-up I put it over on the 512 YouTube
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channel where people don't like it I had to lead a lot of ugly comments from this
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why whatever well I don't know people were people were upset that I guess
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things cost money I don't know. People would just upset that you paid the money for the wheels right?
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I guess right I donated the same amount to St. Jude on the stream. Cool it people on the internet
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but I put them on Myke you watched it some other people have seen it I thought it was a lot of fun
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the wheels are very nice they're the nicest wheels you've ever seen and I'm excited that my Mac Pro
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can wheel around my office now. Gray told me he watched it and enjoyed it too. Oh boy. You know
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and he's like, "Hey," when he's like, he secretly is in things and you find it later on.
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Yeah, that's terrible.
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Yep, but he did. It was very good. I also found it kind of funny that you had to nearly abandon
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it very soon, which was surprising to me because I feel like I know you very well.
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I'm surprised that you didn't know that you didn't have necessarily the tool that you
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needed before you started. It was a surprise to me.
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Part of it was I wanted to do it live, you know, as the kids say.
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and I figured I have a bunch of tools, I have the whole iFixit kit, I'll be able to do this.
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And turns out that the little wiggly part I had is you have to use a flexible screwdriver,
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wasn't quite the right size, the wheels come with a bit from Apple and I didn't want to use
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a different bit because like, you know, this is maybe something weird. So I just had to run to
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my garage and get something else and it came together okay. Flexible screwdrivers is one of
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those things that I know how they work but I also don't believe that they work. It seems so
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bananas that a screwdriver can bend. It's just something about that to me which is very strange.
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It's really the backhoe of the toolbox is what you're saying.
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It sure is, it sure is. But I'm pleased. How do you find your wheels? You're
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moving the computer around a lot now? What are you doing with it?
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No I haven't. I haven't moved it. It's very nice though when you do. I had it on the table. I was
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like no I need to sit you on the floor because you can roll now. I need you to stay put. But yeah,
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They're very very nice. The Mac Pro is taller now. It's like an inch taller, which is weird, but you know
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It's a it's a roll the computer now. I guess it's a quick way to find out if you have on level flooring, right?
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Yes, which I definitely do in this office, but this is on a rug. So it's got some friction
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It's not gonna go anywhere, right? Just like one day you're working and you hear dunk as the Mac Pro just rolls into the wall
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We're like like my mouse and display get pulled to the back of the desk
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The back approach is hurtling towards the door. Mm-hmm. Well I hope you find
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some fun things to do with it now that you've got wheels on it. Yeah, I think, I
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think there's some fun stuff to do. People have asked about the feet I took
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off of it. I'm just gonna say you will see those soon. That's all I'm gonna say.
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But they're still part of the 512 universe, as they call it.
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Extended. You know, the 512 groupies. How many are the mother? It's just John
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Voorhees. Oh, there's just one. Okay, interesting. Well, you know. He's got some pom-poms, one's
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black and one's orange to match the size. It's very nice. You gotta start small, right?
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You know? Yeah, you know, what's his name? So the thing about a thousand true fans, and
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that seems impossible when you mostly write about dead computers. One true John, that's
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what you have. One true John. Yeah, who needs a thousand true fans and you have one true
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John. Who needs a thousand Johns? Can you imagine that? That's a lot of burritos, am
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Basically WWDC, a thousand Johns.
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That's actually quite true, everyone's called John.
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Too many Johns.
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There's everywhere.
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So I think that's follow-up, guys.
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Are we done already?
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I think we've done it.
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Yeah, there wasn't much this week.
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Not that much.
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Okay, so we're done.
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We all just want to get to the RIC-ies.
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Everything before the RIC-ies begins, it's merely just taking up time until the RIC-ies start.
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start. So like let's keep this train on moving. Okay well the next stop on the
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train is an advertisement. Let's do that. Okay I feel like the advertisement is
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So onto some news.
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This broke yesterday.
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I'm looking at an article on macstories.net
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about Oprah's Book Club podcast.
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So back, I guess last year, last March or whenever,
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Apple sort of rolled out their content plan. Oprah was gonna do a whole bunch of
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stuff and this is another one of those. Her book club of course is very famous. I
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remember like as a kid like you go into a bookstore and like the Oprah book club
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sticker on a bookman it was gonna be sold out because she's very influential
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and now they are kind of launching from that moving into podcasting. Yeah this
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the deal between Oprah and Apple is different to the types of deals that
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Apple's been doing of other content creators.
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Where it's funny for me to call Oprah a content creator.
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I don't really think that that accurately describes Oprah Winfrey,
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but nevertheless, this is content.
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She is creating it.
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But it was more of like an overall deal for everything.
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Like it's not just TV+, which Oprah is producing things to TV+,
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but it's books and podcasts and basically anything.
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You know, like if Oprah wants to make it, Apple will take it.
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That's fun. I might use that again.
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I'm sorry, can you explain to me, like, what is the Oprah Book Club? Like, a bunch of people read the same book that Oprah is reading?
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Yeah, and then there's like, there will be like a, it's like a TV component, right? So, and then, so she'll talk about it, maybe have the author on and interview them.
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And it's kind of just like, here is the book, you have a month to read the book, you know? It's like a book club, but hosted by Oprah Winfrey and you don't get to talk to her.
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I see. I see. Okay.
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So now there's an Oprah Winfrey podcast as well, as well as the many, many other things.
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But this is a book club podcast, and I'm sure will be just the first of many podcasts that
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Oprah Winfrey produces for Apple.
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And you may be out there listening, thinking, "This is the year of Steven."
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Steven talked about, in his annual picks, Apple's content plans.
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Well, it turns out, I thought this too.
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Yeah, you did.
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I was I already have the point I had the point in June but my round two pick for the annual predictions
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Apple launches its own podcast content beyond Oprah. So I have like the inverse of this now true as well
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So I think that's two points for the annual predictions. No, this is a point. This is like a
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Non counted point for me because I
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Preempted this news. I knew this was gonna happen Apple didn't say it, but I knew it was gonna happen
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And I knew there'd be Oprah Winfrey podcasts, which is why I specifically said
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No, you have to say not Oprah and you're like, okay, not Oprah. So there you go
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How about that year of Myke that feels like?
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Retrofitting history to fit a narrative you want out there in the world. It's funny
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You're the one who's suggesting that but your Steven Myke. Yeah. Yeah. How are you doing so far on the on all of the predictions?
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Wasn't a year of Steven last year. Like why are we still doing this?
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It's not the year of Steven because Steven currently holds no titles.
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You hold no title...
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Well, that's gonna change next week.
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It used to be like a 2019 thing. Like, I don't understand why you keep saying this.
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None of us want to admit 2020 is real. If we stay in 2019...
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I mean, things are still bad in 2019, but there's not a pandemic at least, so...
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Okay, so that means I get to keep my annual Chairman title, right?
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Because 2020 doesn't exist.
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That's not how that works.
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Oh, so it doesn't... Okay, so...
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See, again, this is another situation where Steven just has a narrative that fits himself
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and he just builds his own timelines. That's slanderous. Is it though? I just feel like
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you are feeding Myke and me with conspiracy after conspiracy today. Yeah. From the backhoe to the
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calendar year, like, is it anything else that you want to lie about today? Currently in the 2020
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annual predictions, Myke and I are tied with one each. But a bunch of these are going to come true
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in the next week or so. The annual predictions are getting ready to get real interesting with
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this event, which we'll talk about later. So anyways, yeah, Ober's doing podcast stuff,
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makes lots of sense, she's doing lots of content. I think it's interesting that Apple is moving into
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podcasting. We've talked about this ages ago, but they're doing it in a very different way than,
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say Apple TV Plus, like these are just podcasts that are open. Even their daily news show,
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which is like kind of just linked to Apple podcasts, you can get it elsewhere if you
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know where to look. Apple's kind of doing it in none of the ways that people expect
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it. Like they're saying it's Apple Podcasts, but you can get it elsewhere. It's like they
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kind of couldn't really seem to commit to a strategy and pick something in the middle.
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So it's like both available everywhere but they don't want it to be.
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So it's kind of strange.
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So is there anything going on next week?
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There is an Apple event.
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One of the many.
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It's happening next week.
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We found out about it yesterday and then all of a sudden a bunch of journalists started
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very confidently saying that it was not going to include the iPhone.
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I think I saw both Mark Gurman and Nilay Patel talking about this.
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All this is just going to be iPad and Apple Watch.
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Apple isn't saying that, which I think is not a good...
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Like okay, look, I know I'm jumping ahead on myself, but I'm sure everyone listening
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to this show is kind of up to date, right?
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They know there's an Apple event next week.
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I can't imagine we've just broken that news to anybody.
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Someone's just like had to steer off the road in their car
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and like park for a minute 'cause they're so surprised.
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But I think that it is quite a peculiar strategy from Apple,
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if there is no iPhone next week,
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to just go ahead and have an event without saying that
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because it's September, people kind of expect the iPhone.
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And I think it would be a bold strategy
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to just roll into an event that's beginning
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and then show off two products that are not iPhones
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and then be like, see ya, right?
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Like I feel like there needs to be,
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and honestly I feel like there should have been
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a little bit more, right?
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And so like it's not like Apple's never done this before.
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There've been many times in the past,
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I can think of one and I'm sure Steven can give me more,
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where the event is like very clear, right?
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Like back to the Mac is the one that I can think of.
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You know, where they could just, the event could just be like,
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we want to talk to you about the Apple Watch, right?
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And like, they went so far as to say, what is it?
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Like, it's time or something like that,
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which, you know, all right.
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I mean, that probably means it,
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but I think it would have been beneficial to them to say,
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hey, we want to talk to you about the Apple Watch, right?
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I just think that that would have been a smart move
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because I imagine like a lot of the news stories
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will be like, where's the iPhone, right?
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And I just think that that is just going to take time.
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It's going to take attention away from whatever it is that they have decided to,
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uh, have the world watching for.
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Yeah. They're going to have to set those expectations. Um, to back up a second,
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though, my favorite version of this,
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I'll put it in the show notes is the iPad two keynote,
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where there's just a picture of the iPad two, like on the event, like on the,
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on the thing. Uh, it's, it's pretty funny in hindsight, but yeah,
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they're going to have to set expectations around this.
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I think, I mean, Apple definitely leaks stuff, and so I think some of those, some of those
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people who are saying that, including us, like we don't, we weren't told that by anybody,
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but I think some people were, probably.
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I genuinely think so.
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And the thing is, people are going to forget, or does not know that on their quarterly call,
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they said the iPhone's going to be late.
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People don't pay attention to that stuff.
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We cover this for a living, and I barely, like, I barely pay attention to their quarterly
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And also, like, the iPhone being late doesn't mean, you know, like that could just mean
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Like it doesn't mean that the event is late and plus this event is late. Anyway, they would be doing it this week
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yeah, but so what I'm saying is like they've got to set this because
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Very people don't know or care about any of that stuff. They're just gonna say Apple to the following event
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There's not an iPhone this year. Like I promise you each of us all of you listening all of us nerds
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We're all gonna have a fan member friend Texas back. Is there not a new iPhone this year? I was gonna upgrade right?
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It's going to happen and so Apple is gonna have to set that expectation
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I'm not completely convinced. They won't show off the iPhone right like I don't know that I just that you're Ricky
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Put your money where your mouth is
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No, I get a Ricky. I'm not making a prediction
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I'm just saying that like I personally am not a hundred percent sure you know what I mean like we don't I don't know
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They could like maybe they'll show something. I don't know what they're gonna do they might show off the
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12 or whatever III don't know I don't think so, but I don't feel set because
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No one's told me otherwise, right and that's kind of we're talking about this in a minute
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That's kind of what's fun about this year because anything that used to make sense is like up for grabs now
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Which is kind of fun. It does make it interesting to talk about at least right because
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We can we have this conversation now and then I just got so excited that I threw my Wacom pen over my shoulder by accident
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Coffee's kicking in boys
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So but like then we're gonna have the event and then there will be
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Conversation after the event in the intervening weeks about the fact of like what we don't have which might not be a thing that we would
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Normally talk about so much
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So like just the the the peculiarness of the strategy is interesting at least because plus I can ask this question
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Which I'm about to ask which is Federico. How you feeling? Ah
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It's a mix of
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Emotions right now
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On the one hand
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It feels really nice to have an Apple event and to be on the, you know, to...
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The fact that we're waiting for new hardware, new toys, new things, I feel like it's a welcome change of pace
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given 2020 and everything happened. It's a nice distraction.
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It's nice to be thinking about the new things that we'll get to play around with soon.
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So it makes me feel a lot better that, like it motivates me that there's stuff happening again.
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On the other,
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Obviously, I'm a bit bummed about the fact that it seems very likely that iOS 14 is gonna launch in September.
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I was really hoping for some kind of delay to October.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. I don't understand why it needs to come out now.
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I don't understand why Apple absolutely needs to release the new iPads,
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and especially the new Apple Watch with WatchOS 7 right now.
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But hey, I don't work at Apple. I don't look at their financials.
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So it's their call. So I went through different stages and I think right now in my stages of grief
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I've reached acceptance. I think that's good. That's a good one. I have accepted the fact
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that there's a very good chance that my review will not be ready on day one. I know that
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it's a bummer because it sort of became a tradition to an extent in our community to
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have this long-form story come out on day one. But I guess it's time to make new traditions
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then, if it's not ready for day one. It'll come out later. I just feel like it's important
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for me to release something that is up to my standards that I'm happy with. I don't
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want to rush anything. I don't feel like... I feel like I would do a disservice to my
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readers if I rushed to my review just to make it in time for day one, and if the review
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was incomplete or not edited enough or, you know, didn't have all the Easter eggs that
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I like to live in or all the screenshots and details that I like to have in my reviews.
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So I really struggled, honestly, over the past month with accepting this stuff, and
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I think it's only fair that this is happening in the same year where a bunch of stuff is
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going on in my life and it's fitting I think that that I have to make this call this year
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but I made it it's you know some other things are more important have been more important
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and we'll see what happens. Obviously I don't want to be like a month late but I think there's
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a very good chance that I will not be ready by say I don't know September 24th or September 25th right
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So I'm trying to go as fast as I can. It's, and I think it's okay. A lot of people were
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kind enough, especially connected listeners, were kind enough to get in touch with me on
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Twitter and over e-mail. They've been super nice, you know, saying things like, "Don't
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worry about it. It's fine, you know, we're fine with waiting. We want to read your stuff
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when it's ready anyway." So I really appreciate those comments. I also have to account for
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the fact that I may have to write about whatever Apple announces next week, right? I don't
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know what's going on with iPad. I don't know what's going on with Apple's announcements.
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So I also have, like, in addition to the thing that I'm supposed to finish, there's the potential
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for extra work with a much, you know, with another deadline.
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I could be your ghostwriter if you want. I could write a review for you and we could pretend it was you.
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I have amiibo that I could put on top of the iPad.
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Sure, you can see that's half the work already done.
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So I feel like I have accepted my fate and I hope that people will accept it too.
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That there's a very good chance that the review will not make it for iOS 14's day one.
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And I'm going as fast as I can.
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And I hope to not, you know, I hope to, like, I don't want to be a month late, of course.
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I don't want to be three weeks late either.
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So we'll see what the schedule is going to look like.
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This is a weird year.
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It's been a challenging past couple of months for me.
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But everything is, you know, taking care of things.
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So everything is looking up and better.
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And we'll see in terms of this deadline what I can do.
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Is that enough of a satisfactory update?
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What is the Miyamoto quote?
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"A delayed game is forever bad"?
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No, you have it backwards.
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The wrong way around.
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Whoops, sorry.
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A delayed game is eventually good because it delayed it.
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But a rushed game is forever bad.
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So they're really words to live by.
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I don't, like I couldn't live with myself honestly, if I published a rushed iOS review,
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which I use myself as a reference. Like just today I was reading through my old iOS 11
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review for, to double check some information about notes. And I just couldn't accept it
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if I put out a review that was like half edited or just super rushed with typos and not enough
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detail in it. It's not something... Like, I would trade, honestly, like I would trade
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page views for a delayed review that is of the quality that I expect myself. So if I
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lose some interest from people, so be it. Maybe those people, you know, didn't care
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about Mac stories or me or my writing enough anyway, so that's fine. You can please everybody.
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They're not your true johns.
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They're not my true johns. They're not my true thousand johns. And that's fine. That's
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It's totally fine. It'll be better next year, I hope.
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But it's going to be great this year. You're going to get it done. It's going to be awesome.
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People are going to love it. We don't have to look at it this week, Federico, that it
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will be better next year. It's going to be great this year. Don't have that mentality.
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You don't need to have that mentality.
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I really like where this review is going and I really like what I'm doing. I wish I had
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more time. That's it.
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you do though, you have as much time as you want. Yes, but also I gotta be realistic,
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right? If iOS comes out in September, it's not like I can publish my review in November.
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Like that will be bad. However, like... Yeah, I might be pushing it a touch. Exactly. So
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I don't want to push it. Like I understand that people are kind enough to wait. I just
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don't want to make them wait longer. It becomes like one of those projects then that you're
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never going to finish. So you do need some kind of deadline. But I also understand that
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the actual deadlines set from Apple will likely be too aggressive for me to follow
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without killing myself and I honestly don't want to do that.
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Finding a nice compromise, I guess, between these things is the ideal outcome here.
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But yeah, I'm happy with what I have so far. So it should be good when it comes out eventually.
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Yes, I for one am ready
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Mm-hmm, but before we do this we have talked about the rules
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The bill of riches bill of Ricky's you mean the bill of Ricky's point one
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Who will be called chairman Ricky?
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From the previous Ricky's gets to pick first and the second place winner gets to pick second
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So I think since the I think we've actually amended that right this is copied from the Google Doc
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So this is right, but it's not chairman is it it's like keynote chairman and annual chairman. So it's keynote
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Although note current current keynote chairman is that keynote chairman? No, that one's made up
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So we are basing this ordering based on what happened at
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WVDC in which Myke won I lost only by coin toss and then Federico brought the rear in third place
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So this is a little bit different than the annual annual winners, which Federico is our annual winner from last year
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They roll over to preserve the order. So the 2019 annual winner gets to go first and the you know
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The next year's annual sets is a little bit different here
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So we are based on the previous Apple event and of course the loser goes last
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To earn any points everything written down in the prediction document must come true
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There are no half points awarded in any round and picks cannot be reused
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Here's how the scoring works one point is awarded for any pick deemed correct in the first two rounds
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rounds. Two points will be awarded for correct picks in the risky pick round.
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Here's the thing, if your risky pick is wrong you lose one of your points and
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the two other hosts must have agreed that your pick was risky. Welcome to the
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argument we've had the last 12 hours. Oh it's been bad. There was a point where I can
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only imagine how Federico was acting in in in real life because he just said
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"Will you pick it for me then?" So that was how our morning was.
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I literally closed the document and went to do something else.
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So it was a difficult day today.
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Yeah, that's right. We also have non-graded flexi picks. So these are not, they're not
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part of the point total, they don't go towards the naming of the chairman. Here's how this
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This is the first time that the flexis are being put into the true new effect.
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That's true, this is the first time.
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So the loser of the non-graded flexi picks must compensate the winner by $25 per wrong
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flexi made by the loser.
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Wait, what, can you repeat this?
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It is a touch confusing.
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Do we need to pay money now?
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Yeah, we agreed on this.
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This was your idea.
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Yeah, you you got a little bit
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The non-grid flexi pigs must compensate the winner by $25 per flexi that was wrong by the loser, okay
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Yes, I yes. I remember now the loser must purchase a surprise
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The loser must purchase a surprise for the winner matching that cost
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The cost then must be matched by the loser in the form of a donation to a charity of the winners choice
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Okay, st. Jude org slash relay in the case of a tie
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the ratio of correct to incorrect flexes will be taken into account and
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Finally each host must make a minimum of five
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Flexi pics you can do more than five but a minimum of five
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Right. I want a clarification this I'm not coming
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So the loser must purchase a surprise.
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This punishment is so hard.
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And then the cost must be matched by the loser?
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But also you gotta give him $25 per flex.
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Okay, so here's, I think we should simplify this.
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The way this reads right now, you have to pay them cash, and you have to give them something,
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and you have to donate to a charity.
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That's too much.
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I think we got that wrong.
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I think we definitely got that wrong.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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It's not written out right.
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It's not like you gotta give them money and then a gift and then a donation.
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Yeah, I don't think that's right.
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The first sentence describes the amount of money, like how you calculate the monetary
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value of the purchase and the donation.
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It's not like you also gotta give them cash in addition to the gift and the donation.
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So I think it's, I would have to give, say I got three things wrong, I would have to
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buy a $75 gift for the winner, say Federico, and then also donate $75 to a charity.
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So it's, you lose a lot of money, but it's only twice, not three times.
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But you don't give me $75 cash.
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You also don't get $75 cash.
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So what I'm suggesting is that we simplify this, and it just becomes a charity donation.
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None of us need surprises from the other ones.
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And so we would say...
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But the surprises are funny though, right?
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This is funny.
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I mean, are we really going to do that?
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Like, are you really going to buy me something and ship it to my house?
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No one's going to do this.
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Let's just, let's look into our hearts.
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So my suggestion for this rule change, I'll see what you guys think.
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Loser of the non-graded flexis must compensate the winner by donating to the charity of the
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winner's choice.
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The amount of the donation is $25 per wrong flexi made by the loser.
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That's simpler.
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That's simpler, yes.
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So it's just the same thing without the gift.
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And it's written out in a way that doesn't sound like it's cash and a surprise and a
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I think I'm fine with that.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm fine with that.
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Before I copy this to the bottom of the document, I'm gonna read it one more time.
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Loser of the non-graded flexes must compensate the winner of the flexes, clarify that, by
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donating to the charity of the winner's choice.
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amount of the donation is $25 per wrong flexi made by the loser. So just a
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hypothetical, Myke gets all five of his flexi's right and I get all five of mine
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wrong. He's the winner, I'm the loser, Federico somewhere in the middle. I am on
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the hook for five times twenty five, a hundred and twenty five dollar donation
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to the charity of Myke's choosing. Correct. Okay that makes more sense than
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what we had I think. Alright so let me copy this at the bottom of the document
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So it's there for the future. There's a lot less flexing in that though, you know, but but yes, it's still flexing nevertheless
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Yeah, there was more flexing when it was double the money
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But also we need to put in the details of the Twitter account that is not specified in the bill of rickies currently
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That's true. The winner gets access the winner should be awarded with access to
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The Twitter I really feel sorry for Matthias who created the physical bill of rickies because we're now changing
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Well, they gotta do it again. So yeah, I'm sorry. So I'm gonna say
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Yeah, I tattooed it on my leg. How do you think I feel the winner of the regular plus Ricky risky picks?
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be granted access
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annual or event chairman
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Twitter account and
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will retain access
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Lou until they until another winner is crowned is
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Named you don't like the royal
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Naming that crowned is fine. I mean it just feels a little
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Nevertheless. All right. Okay. Good good coffee. Rico. Have we done with the rules now for this time? Yes
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Well, can you go over them again?
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Just to make sure that there's a nice flow in the way they are spelled out. Everyone has already skipped this chapter. Let's just move on
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Alright, so we're gonna do round one
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Or do you really want me to read the rules again? No, I mean if you don't want to do it, it's fine
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You'll do it better next time. I just feel like it wasn't like I was expecting like like a more pompous and official tone in reading
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Oh, oh, I see what you're saying
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Give us give us give us the full because what we were supposed to have right now was a full read through and then
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You're supposed to have a town crier and the physical thing.
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It's like, it should be a whole thing happening.
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But instead we've just sat and just done some litigation for the last 20 minutes.
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It's just sad.
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Like, you just went through a bullet list and then you made some changes.
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It's like listening to a call with your editor.
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You were making minutes.
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It was like, you know.
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You know, make it fun.
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Give me some fun here.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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It is now time for the reading and not the debating
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of the Bill of Rickeys.
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The winner, who in this event will be called keynote chairman, from the previous rookies
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gets to pick first, the second place winner picks second.
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Annual winners roll over to preserve the order, 2019 annual winner gets to go first in 2020,
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The order of the Apple Event rookies, which is what we're doing today, is based on the
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previous Apple Event, the loser goes last.
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The last event rookies were at WWDC 2020.
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Myke was in first place, Steven was in second place by losing a coin toss, Federico was
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To earn any points everything written down in the prediction document must come true.
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No half points may be awarded in any round.
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Picks cannot be reused.
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One point is awarded for any pick deemed correct in the first two rounds, while two points
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will be awarded for correct picks in the risky pick round.
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But if your risky pick is wrong, you will lose a point, and the other two hosts must
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have agreed that your pick was risky.
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The winner of the regular and risky picks must be granted access to the annual or event
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chairman twitter account and will retain access until another winner is named.
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Loser of the non-graded flexis must compensate the winner of the flexis by donating to the
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charity of the winner's choice.
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The amount of the donation is $25 per wrong flexi made by the loser.
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In the case of a tie, the ratio of correct to incorrect flexis will be taken into account,
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and each host must make a minimum of five flexi picks.
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Wow, these are beautiful rules. I wouldn't change a single thing about them. This is
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and wonderfully documented and versatile and flexible document that accounts for all possible
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scenarios. I love it. This is so perfect.
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So I think we can all agree that we've finally settled the rules.
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These are really good rules. We should be in charge of legislation now that I think
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about it. Like we obviously...
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Look how easily we fixed all of our problems.
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We have a knack for finding loopholes and potential... like, I don't know. I just feel
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like I could, you know, I could take the Constitution for a spin and actually
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make a few edits that probably make sense.
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I'll give it a once over.
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You know, I think I could, like, yeah, I should have looked into
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into legislation when I was younger as a potential job opportunity.
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You would be an infuriating legislator in like the best possible way.
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I guess it's never too late to be a politician. I mean, look at the
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United States so who knows maybe someday. Round one. Myke you get to go first.
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Apple unveils a new Apple watch. Wow. Short and sweet. Wow. I am the retaining
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champion and I intend to retain it. That's how it wins. Sorry. I'm sorry. I don't have anything exciting for you in round one. You might as well say that Apple exists as your first pick.
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The rookies do not say anything about obviousness so I'm just going for it.
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it. Like, do I think there will be a new Apple Watch? Yeah, I do. I really do think that.
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And there's one product I feel pretty confident about existing next Tuesday is a new Apple
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Watch. I really want to win. So I very rarely get to win these types of things. And I want
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to continue the royal reign a hundred years rule of...
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You know what's missing from this pic? Passion. There's no passion in this.
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You're right. But Federico, I don't care, right? There's no passion in it, but you know where
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there's no passion? In the rules, either. The rules are very straight. Oh, there is
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passion in those rules, believe me. But you are content with living your passion-free
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life, I guess. Yeah. So if I'm the winner, then yes. Yeah, yeah, okay.
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Federico, can we have a sidebar? Sure. You know how Myke used to lose these because
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he made really specific picks? Yeah, he got burned. We trained him to make really generic
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picks and I think it's gonna backfire on us. Yeah. Yeah. Look, because you know, before
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I was ridiculed for passion, I was ridiculed for being particular. So I've had enough,
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right? I want to win. Now that I think about it, we did training, which makes me think
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of other like sort of experiments that we could run without telling Myke on the show.
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Like some subtle, like, what are they called? Like, um, like in the movies, are they called
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like a sleeper cell agent. No no no, like messages or what are they called like subliminal
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messages. Subliminal? Yes, some like subliminal things that we say to Myke and then over time
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we train Myke to behave or think in a certain way that could be interesting. Anyway, subliminal.
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I think my brain is pretty susceptible to stuff like that so you'll probably have a
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pretty good go of it. Awesome, okay I'll put together some ideas, Stephen.
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I got a little more specific with my round one pick.
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I said the Apple Watch Series 6 uses the Series 4 and 5 design.
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I don't think we're due for a refresh of the design yet.
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I think they're going to look the same.
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I want to get some parameters on this one.
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Of course you do.
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Because there could be, like, thickness changes, right?
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Ah, that's a good point.
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So what if I rephrase it as the Apple Watch Series 6
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It does not come with a substantial redesign.
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I mean, well, then what?
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If it's thinner, do you get the point?
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It would have to be thinner to the point where,
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okay, okay, so here's, I'm not saying this is what I'm saying
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but in my mind what I thought was,
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if someone's wearing it, it would be difficult to tell
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which one it is.
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If it's half as thick, that's a redesign.
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Well you see, that's what the spirit of the pic is.
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That's difficult to write down.
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Okay, so Apple Watch Series 6 will be, comma, at a glance using the same design as the Series
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I mean, I'm fine with that.
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But I don't want to hear a big fight from you on this one.
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If it's two millimeters thinner and you say I don't get it, I will quit the show.
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Just keep that in mind.
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You think two millimeters thinner would be perceptible at a glance?
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I don't know.
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Put it in the roots.
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What's your millimeter threshold for thinners?
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I don't know how millimeters work.
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Stephen, if you can at a glance detect two millimeters
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of thickness change, you are a super human.
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Oh, you know you're not going to get the tweets from people
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saying I can detect millimeters.
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I don't believe anyone who says that they can tell me
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that they can look at something at a glance
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and tell if it's two millimeters difference in thickness.
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Old ruler eyes over there can do it, but--
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I mean, you can glance at a microscope
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and tell that it's different.
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I want to confirm this, Steven. If it's two millimeters thinner, will you think you get
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Also, at a glance, I think you're tricking us. You are tricking us here, because at a
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glance, at a glance, like what if you're glancing at measuring tape?
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Come on, come on.
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Like for, you know, at a, what is at a glance? Like, I'm, I don't trust this at a glance
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qualifier. I think it's a tricky thing you put in there to, to fool us.
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The design of the Apple Watch is it's like face on.
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Well I mean the series, I mean look at the difference between the series 3 and 4 right?
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A little thinner and broader.
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No but the difference was the screen, the shape of the screen.
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No one was like "oh that looks so different because of the thinness."
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No it was because the corner's radius changed.
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This is going downhill fast.
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If you look, if you want your pick to be that the Apple Watch series 6 is like perceptibly
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thinner than you'd make it that pick. No, I'm saying the opposite. It is basically the
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same. The Series 6 does not bring a redesign. So what is your pick? I don't know what you're
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arguing anymore then. Reset your pick please. I think you should go back to the original
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text. I think it was better. I'm doing Google Docs. It initially said... We just argued
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about nothing. Apple watch. Because Myke wanted parameters for this. Yeah, my original pick,
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Apple Watch Series 6 uses the Series 4 and Series 5 design. I mean I'm fine with this.
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I am confident this one's gonna cause us a problem. If it is slightly thinner, I still
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get this. What I'm really saying is there's not a substantial redesign. So the shape of
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screen and and like the edges like of the frame all right yeah I'm up with
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looks like the series for you know I think I misunderstood the point that you
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were making I apologize okay we I think we were actually making the same
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argument but I thought that you were arguing against me so I apologize so
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it's a point for me now what are you talking about
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what okay so as it is written does that work for y'all
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yes series six uses well four and five design this is one yeah yeah yeah I mean
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I'm curious to see where that one ends up landing, but yeah.
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If it is slightly thinner, I still get it, because it's the same design, right?
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This is going to go horribly.
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Yeah, I think so too.
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So my pick is that at least one of the new iPads will have an iPad Pro inspired design.
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What does that mean?
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So obviously, okay, so what we're all thinking here is the iPad Air with the flat edges and
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rounded screen, but I phrased it in a way that if Apple announces multiple iPads, multiple
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iPad models next week, at least one of them will have a physical design that resembles
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the iPad Pro. And by iPad Pro inspired, I mean there's multiple elements, right? The
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liquid display with the rounded corners and no home button, with the face ID authentication
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of course, as well as the flat edges and the flat back, you know, basically moving away
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from the current design of the iPad Air.
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The only addendum I would like to make to this, or just question I would like to pose
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to you, is that it is not an iPad Pro.
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If they have a new iPad Pro, that technically fits your language.
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I mean, it fits at least one of the new iPads as an iPad Pro-inspired design, because the
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Yeah, but I don't think that that should count.
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I think the spirit of this pick is it's a new iPad that inherits the design of the iPad Pro.
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So at least one of the new iPads has an iPad Pro. Like I think it's phrased in a way that is pretty self-explanatory.
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The only thing I would add is after the word "new", I would say "non-pro iPads".
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There you go.
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Yeah, yeah, I think that's okay. Yeah, that's the spirit of the pick anyway.
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Okay, just trying to solve for ambiguity here, you know?
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That's right.
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At least one of the new non-pro iPads has an iPad Pro inspired design.
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I can get behind that.
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And for me, honestly, I'll just state my feeling on this.
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If any iPad has flat sides, you've got it.
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Like that's all it needs to be, right?
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Like it can be as simple as that.
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Well, that's what I was going to ask.
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If it has flat sides, but still has Touch ID somewhere.
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That's still iPad Pro inspired to me.
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I agree with you.
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I think I agree.
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I think the flat sides is the key here.
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Yeah, because it's the only device that has them now, and like for example people are already saying that the iPhone 12 will be iPad Pro
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inspired because it'll have the flat edges. People are even saying the iMac will be iPad Pro inspired.
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Everything starts with the iPad Pro.
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I mean the Pro Display XDR is iPad Pro inspired.
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But also I would say, like I would say the opposite as well. Like if it for some reason has
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Rounded edges, but the shape of the display with the liquid retina display is the same of the iPad Pro
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I think that also counts as iPad Pro inspired because it's ditching the home button in favor of the iPad Pro approach
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It will I think it will need a little bit of conversation
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But I am I am willing to agree with you there
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Like I think that would that one might take a little bit more like alright, let's look at this
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Then the flat sides is super easy to judge
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Yeah, but yeah, if it's if it's like the home buttons gone and it's got the rounded corners like the iPad pros do then
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Yeah, like I'm also on board with that. But that one is just like a little less visually obvious
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I think than the then the flat sides pop. So that's round one
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It's round one
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For round two. I am going for another completely passionless pick which like, you know
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because this is a pick like Federico will also get a point if I get a point.
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So it's kind of like a mutually sure destruction thing here.
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Apple unveils a new iPad, not Pro.
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Okay. I mean, sure. Yeah. Yeah. A new iPad.
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So with this pick, you can get a point if Apple announces the iPad Air, the iPad Mini,
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the base model iPad, all kinds of iPads.
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- So something new. - Something new.
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- Entirely. - iPad.
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The iPad is massive.
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Now imagine if there's no iPad next week, now that would be funny.
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That would be very funny.
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Then these pics are a bloodbath.
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Yeah, it would be a very bad time for all of us.
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But that's what I'm going with.
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I think that's cut and dry.
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Mm-hmm, yeah.
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And again, I know it's not exciting, I apologize, but...
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No, we're used to it.
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I want to win.
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We expect it coming from you.
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Yeah, you expect it from me.
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We trained you well.
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So, Stephen, this next one, I will say when I looked at it,
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your next normal pick. I thought it was meant to be a Ricky. I do think there's a risk factor to your
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second pick. That, I don't know, why don't you tell us the pick? Federico, without risk there's
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not passion. Right, oh man, I, I, you see Myke, that's how you do it. That's, I mean, it doesn't surprise...
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So I assume Federico, you were overflowing with risk earlier when you decided to throw everything
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out the window. Well sometimes it's about risk and sometimes about style you know
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just got to get in style. And sometimes it's about just giving up for the afternoon. Right. Right.
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Right. Right. Right. Right. Okay cool. Just checking. My second pick. The new iPad Air will switch to USB-C.
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That's a big one man. Like I see where you're going with this but that it might be a year early
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on that. Maybe. Or maybe I'm right on time. If they are switching to the iPad Pro inspired design,
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I think it makes sense to say... That's what made me think it. We're moving away from lightning to
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USB-C. In the context of like there's these iPad Pro features trickling down into the line,
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and now you can also use USB accessories, and I could honestly also see the smart connector,
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for example. So I think it makes sense in the context of that. It's risky because the
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iPad Pro is the only one with the USB-C connector and Apple could also think, well, this is
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one of the differentiating factors that we're going to keep exclusive to the iPad Pro line.
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So you do get the new design, but you still got to use lightning.
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And I think one of the extenuating factors of this is the iPhone, right?
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I don't think so. Well, I think it's I think it's a little tricky to start bringing USB
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C to other products like you just start stretching that out when the iPhone remains lightning.
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Did you did you forget about the Mac every other product has it like I think the iPhone
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stands alone because the ecosystem of things that people plug into their iPhones is a magnitude
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larger than the things that people plug into their iPads. And so I think iPad users who
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go from lightning to USB-C, yeah it's gonna be a pain for some of them, but for most of
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them that just means the charging cable is different. And it may mean a good thing that
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means they can charge it with their laptop charger. For the phone though you plug into
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cars you have clock rate, everything has lightning for phones. I just think the iPad lives in
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a little bit different space there. You know I did have a thought a couple of days ago
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where like I needed to go somewhere and I was frustrated that I had to take two cables,
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one for my iPad and one for my phone. Yeah. I had that thought where it's like "oh god"
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It is frustrating. I'm not sure if I was regretting the iPad Pro going to USB-C or wishing the
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iPhone to go to USB-C, like I'm not sure which way around it was, but I was frustrated no
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less. It is frustrating and anybody who says "oh
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but we prefer Lightning because it's Apple's other line" or they're fooling themselves,
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it's so much better to have a common standard that works with a bunch of devices.
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It should all be USB-C. It's awesome that I have a cable in the kitchen,
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have a charging station in the kitchen and I can plug my iPad Pro, I can plug my external
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battery, my Nintendo Switch, it's awesome! And if you don't see that, then you should
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really look into it, like this USB-C thing, you should really try it because it's very
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convenient. Now, I'm not saying the lightning is not convenient, I get it, it's got some
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of the same benefits, it's slightly smaller and it's reversible, I get it, but it only
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works with Apple devices and you know people also like to use other
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electronics so I also like to just take a moment at this point to say how great
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Thunderbolt is I got a Thunderbolt dock mm-hmm and it's really good to just plug
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a bunch of stuff into a one into like a box and just have one cable what you got
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the Cal digit right maybe we put that in the show notes so people can see it yeah
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the Thunderbolt is really cool like I still love the dream like one cable for
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everything you know you put your laptop down and like everything's already there
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and you plug it in Thunderbolt delivers on that if you're willing to spend some
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money yeah oh and you really do like I got the TS 3+ and it's like I think it's
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like multiple hundreds of dollars like I got it for the podcast of thumb but like
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I'm very very happy with it because I also can use the same dock with my
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Windows laptop right and everything just works it's fantastic very happy with
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that alright so you all are cool with the new iPad air we'll switch to USB-C
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Seems clear. I would love it to happen and and I hope that you're right on this one. I think but
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Might be we'll see we'll see depends how pro they want to go, right?
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Like how close do you want to get with with it being like quote-unquote Pro? We'll find out
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I'm cool with it and I respect you. I'm just concerned about you for this peak. Let me raise a hypothetical
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Mmm, I don't think this hypothetical come true, but I just want it out there
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Let's say there's a new iPad and it has flat sides
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So Federico gets his point it switches USB C, but it's not called the iPad air on paper
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I would lose that pic, but I feel like in my heart I would win it. What do y'all think?
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I think you should remove air out of like because the rest of us have all gone with like you should just say like a
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New non pro iPad switches to USB C and then you're in line with my pic and Federico's pic
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That's the most fair for you. Done. At least one new non-pro iPad will switch to USB-C. Yep.
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Non-pro iPad. Non-pro. What if Apple announces a new iPad Pro and it switches to Lightning? Can you imagine that? Then we all lose.
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We've all lost. That'd be terrible. That'd be awful. That'd be horrible. Why would they do that?
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I don't know. It's 2020 though, so it could happen. That would be a Ricky if you want to put it in. That would be the definition of a Ricky.
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Okay, so my second normal pick
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This is actually quite interesting, I think.
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Apple introduces a lower-end Apple Watch model
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in addition to the higher-end "Series 6"
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we're calling the successor to the Series 5.
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So I think Apple will introduce,
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this has been rumored before by German,
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whom I absolutely trust,
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that Apple will introduce in addition to the new Watch,
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to the new Series 6 Watch,
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Also a lower-end model that is cheaper for folks who want to buy a cheaper Apple Watch.
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I think it's an interesting idea to say we have the brand new watch with all the fancy
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stuff but we also made a new version that is more affordable that has fewer features
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but that you can also use for fitness and for notifications and for all these other
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things that the Apple Watch is loved.
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So I think they, you know, this has been rumored recently, so there's a certain degree of reliability,
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I guess, in this pick, as it was reported in Bloomberg, I believe, last week, or even,
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I'm not sure if it was mentioned yesterday in the report, but it was definitely mentioned
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a few weeks ago.
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So I think it's an interesting idea.
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I think it would bring, it would make for a nice message to say we have this expensive
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watch with all the fancy stuff, but we also made an affordable model. I think it would
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benefit Apple to make it clear that there's a more affordable version of the Apple Watch
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so that they can, you know, competition from Fitbit and Amazon now as a thing, I believe.
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I think it would be useful to say you can get in on the Apple Watch ecosystem at a more
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affordable price. So I think I would actually like it's not the watch that I
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would buy myself but I think it's something they should do. Well and it
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would be it'd be a cheaper Apple Watch I'm not I'm not inserting this into your
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pic this is what I want to see that isn't just an old Apple Watch right like
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do what you do with the iPhone SE. Maybe it's the return of the sport brand
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remember? Maybe. Apple Watch Sport. Yeah oh man they used to be called that. Maybe they'll do like Apple
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Watch Sport, Apple Watch Series 6, and Apple Watch Edition. Again, maybe we'll go back
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to that. I would like that. I like that branding, honestly. I think I want to talk about what
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this product is a little bit when it comes to pick grading. Because obviously Apple have
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been like, "Oh, and hey, the Series 3 is back!" So what is this product? You know what I mean?
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So obviously I think it needs to be mentioned during the keynote. I think it's something
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that... I mean all the things that... usually all the things that we cover in our RICIs,
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they need to be mentioned in the keynote, right? It's not like... do we ever pick things
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that are like hidden on Apple's website?
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So I think the way that we've done it before, which again may be another raw change, is
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basically just anything up until recording. If a piece of information can be discovered,
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It's like basically up until the recording.
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So it's not just what's in the keynote.
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It's just basically, can it be proved before we record?
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Yeah, exactly.
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So the Bloomberg report very clearly said
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Apple will introduce two Apple Watch models,
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one of them being the lower end version.
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So I think it needs to be clear.
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I don't think it will just be the Series 3 coming back.
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I think it needs to be new.
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Because the...
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Yeah, I honestly don't see...
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I don't even see the Series 3 coming back out again with the same internals.
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I mean, they're quite dated at this point.
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So I think it needs to be a new thing with the new chip.
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Just maybe fewer sensors.
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Maybe it doesn't have the new sensor stuff that's gonna be in the Series 6.
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I don't think they can re-release a three-year-old Apple Watch just out of the blue again.
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So, it needs to be a new thing.
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Yeah, no, I agree with you.
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The only potential complication there, I guess, is if it is the Series 3, but they changed
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the internals.
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But then again, I think it would be kind of weird if they're bringing back a watch that
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is the number 3 and now we're number 6.
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Like, I don't think that's a great strategy.
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where something like Apple Watch SE or Apple Watch Sport, like another name solves that
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problem for them.
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They have the same thing with the 8, right?
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The iPhone 11 and then the iPhone 8.
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It's like, well, that seems really older than it is.
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We call it SE, get rid of the number and it sort of gives you some buffer there.
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So I think you're on with this.
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I'd like to see this.
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What if to help us grade it, like this pick is that Apple introduces a lower end Apple
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Watch model with a new brand name?
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Well... I'm trying to find something so we can pin it on. What if it's just called Apple Watch?
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Right? But that's fine. There isn't a product called Apple Watch now.
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Right? They're Apple Watch Series 6, Link. Well I think inserting the brand
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makes this two picks. Like, I think if it's a...
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It introduces a lower end... Here's I think how we solved both. Okay. Apple introduces
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a new lower-end Apple Watch model. You don't have the new in there and I think that's sort of key here.
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Again, the only potential challenge there is what if they're... I mean, if they're doing this,
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I think it's going to have the new design, right? So they're going to use the post Series 4
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hardware design. But again, what if it's just the Series 4 or the Series 5 name,
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but the watch is actually different from the... sort of like you did with the Series Zero. That is
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technically new. Which it's, I guess it's technically new, so the new objective could work
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in that context. Yeah, it's a watch that hasn't existed until they announced it. Yeah,
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yeah, I think new works, yes. Because it's either inside or out, right? That's what we're going to
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agree on? Yeah. Like inside or out, it's not the same as something else that's existed. So it's
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It's either got new internals or it's got its own name.
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So one of the two will make it a new Apple Watch, I think.
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Like if they take the Series 5, okay, and they call it the Apple Watch SE, I think that
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is a new Apple Watch.
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That's one of the outside changes, right?
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It's time, gentlemen.
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It's Ricky time.
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Myke, are you ready for whatever is going on with you, Ricky?
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I have two Ricky's, right?
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And I just want to just put them both out there.
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One of them is going to become my final flexi.
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I only have four flexis in the document out
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of the five minimum.
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So one of these will become a flexi.
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And I just want to maybe get them out.
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If the two of you want to talk through it, you can.
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But maybe I'm just going to talk through it myself.
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So one of my picks is that we get no specific date for iOS 14
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launching during the presentation.
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That's one of those old school classic particular picks.
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But I think particular in my favor.
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And then the second one is that a non-pro iPad
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gets a LIDAR sensor.
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So that's kind of where I am, right?
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- They're both very reeky.
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- Yeah, but I think there's some, okay,
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so let me talk through my thinking on these, right?
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A little bit with you, just for the fun of it.
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So I think that the iOS 14 thing is,
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I don't think that they have to say,
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and I don't think it would be in their best interest to say.
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Right now, the Apple Watch will,
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I think most likely be running watchOS 7.
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I don't think that it will be running watchOS 6.
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Apple will announce, I'm sure,
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the date that the Apple Watch will be shipping,
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but then they have a window of any amount of time
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between them to put iOS 14 out.
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And I think announcing a date for 14
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would be not the best thing to do when you have that window.
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- Okay, no, no, let me understand here.
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So you think the new Apple Watch will carry watchOS 7, right?
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- I do, yes.
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- And you think they will give us a release date
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for the new Apple Watch, right?
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- Okay, do you think the Apple Watch
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is coming out in September?
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Because you do realize the watchOS 7 requires iOS 14.
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- That's one, yeah, I know, yeah, I know.
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- Yeah, I do think it is, but I think it could be
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a week or two weeks, right, for the Apple Watch.
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I don't think it has to be a week.
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I think it could say like, oh, you know,
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you can, pre-orders go live next week,
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and then they ship the week after, right?
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So then they have two weeks in which they could release
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iOS 14 at any point during that period of time,
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and they might wanna do it on the Wednesday
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rather than the Tuesday because it gives them an extra,
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do you know what I mean?
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just think that it would be bold, I think, to maybe unnecessary to announce the specific
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date, maybe two and a bit weeks in advance, when all they need to do is give everybody
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one week notice.
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But it's not as simple as that, right? I mean, you gotta give, like, you gotta get carriers
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or carrier approvals, for example, for the new version of iOS. Like, it's not just developers
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with the GM.
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Right, but how much time do they typically give for that though?
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How long... GM is usually a week to release though, right?
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Yeah, but...
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I don't know man, it just feels very risky to say they're gonna have an event
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and they're not gonna say anything about iOS 14.
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Well no, but they can say it's coming.
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They can say like iOS 14 will ship before the end of September
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or it's coming soon or it will come with the Apple Watch.
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Like wouldn't it be weird if they just said "oh it's coming, don't worry"
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but we're not giving you a date.
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- And I think if they say,
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"Hey, it's coming with the new iPad,
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the new iPad ships this date,"
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then they've announced the date for iOS 14, right?
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They didn't put the sentence together,
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they split it up, but we still know when it is.
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- Yeah, I agree with that, but I just, I don't know.
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I don't know, I don't know if they're gonna do that.
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I don't know if they're gonna say that.
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- I will give you this.
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You finally showed off some passion here.
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- Some passion, yeah.
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- You are capable of it, which makes me happy.
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- Are you following why I would put it as a question?
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I do. I do. I do follow. Like, again, it goes back to the idea, what's the rush? Like, you
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don't need to... I mean...
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And it's more like, if I was making this decision, I would not want to nail myself down to any
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dates unless I absolutely have to. And I do not think that they absolutely have to do
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that. Like, I think they still have a little wiggle room. They have a few more days wiggle
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A two day though.
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Okay, the next one is that any iPad that they release gets a LiDAR sensor.
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And the LiDAR sensor seems like an important thing to Apple.
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Maybe more than even Face ID on a new iPad.
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because the LiDAR sensor is important for the future more than Face ID is.
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Because the LiDAR sensor helps with AR,
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and AR is increasingly becoming a thing that Apple will want to put more and more time into
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and want developers making things for.
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Like, Face ID doesn't do that.
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Like, Face ID is a nice thing for us, but Touch ID on that iPad,
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I'm sure people will be super happy about that too.
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But more LIDAR sensors in the world
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is a net positive for Apple's future strategies.
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And I mean, I think that the current rumors are suggesting
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that all of the iPhones will get a LIDAR sensor,
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if I remember correctly.
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Does that sound right to you guys?
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- I think so.
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- I think that the current rumor is--
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- Ari's just a pro.
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- I don't know anymore, I don't remember.
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It's been so difficult to keep track of that.
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- I think you're dead on Apple's pushing AR,
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the LiDAR sensor is a big move in that direction.
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But I think the other side of that coin is like,
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is it too expensive to put in an iPad
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that doesn't cost iPad Pro money?
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Like, I don't know, you know?
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Or would they want to continue to blur the product lines
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if the iPad Air looks like an iPad Pro
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and it has a LiDAR sensor, then what's the difference between it and the Pro?
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You know, to most people.
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But I don't think people care about, you know, like, people don't care about LiDAR sensors.
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People don't care about AR or the LiDAR sensor.
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In terms of our competition here, I think your first one is, I think it's riskier, but
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I also think it's going to be harder to judge.
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I think honestly, having spoken about it, I'm leaning towards the LIDAR sensor one.
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I think you should do the LIDAR sensor one.
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Yeah, I'm going for the LIDAR sensor one.
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I really do think they're going to give us a date for iOS 14.
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I mean, we got beta 8 today, so they're wrapping up the work there.
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Like, even though it's very possible that you're trying to fake me out.
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I'm not, I'm not, or am I? I don't know.
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I do, I think the LIDAR one, the LIDAR one is still risky
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for all of the reasons that you mentioned, right?
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That like, we don't know how expensive an item that is.
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And you know, but but I do believe that this is one of those technologies
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that Apple will want to get on as many products they can.
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And the iPad doesn't get refreshed that often.
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So if you're going to make changes to it, put it on there now.
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And then you've got it on there for a couple of years for when it's really
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important to Apple, right? Like even more so than it is now.
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So I'm going with a non pro iPad gets a LIDAR sensor.
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I think the first potential option was riskier. I still think this one qualifies as a risky pick
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because later on the iPad it is right now the only new feature of the iPad Pro line in 2020.
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And the Magic Keyboard, I guess. The Magic Keyboard can only be purchased for the iPad Pro.
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So I do think that taking, like if you would have said here, a non-Pro iPad gets support for the Magic Keyboard,
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I would have agreed to make it a risky pick.
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Because I think it is...
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That would be real risky. I think that's going to be the only thing, really.
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It's one of my flexes, I think.
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I think taking any of the exclusive features of the 2020 iPad Pro line
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and saying this is coming to the non-pro iPad, I think it qualifies with a certain riskness
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involved. So you do have... It's less risky, but risky enough.
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I think the reason that I'm happy to pick it though is that, yes, this iPad Pro has it,
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but I think Apple's not unrealistic in the assumption that anybody cares about it from
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from a consumer perspective, right?
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That like, if you put it on there,
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that people are gonna be like, "Hang on a minute,
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"I think it should only be on my iPad Pro."
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Like I don't think any, you know what I mean?
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I don't think it's a thing that anybody cares about,
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where they're like, "Well, I'm not gonna get
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"the iPad Pro now because the other iPad
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"has a LIDAR sensor."
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I think things like the Magic Keyboard
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are much more of a selling point,
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and a promotion display even,
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like a much more of a selling point to people
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than the LiDAR sensor is.
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So yeah, that's why I am comfortable in keeping this
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as my risky pick.
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- My risky pick, the iPad mini will also be updated
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to look like the new iPad Air,
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which will be influenced by the iPad Pro design.
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- Whoa, stackless. - You are a mad--
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- Stacks on stacks. - Mad man, okay.
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- Mad lad. - Mini passion.
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- Absolute mad lad here.
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- So the iPad, I'm just reading this again.
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the iPad mini will also be updated to look like the new iPad Air, which will be influenced by the iPad Air.
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Yeah, so I'm gonna cut that middle section out.
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The iPad mini will be updated with a new design.
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An iPad Pro inspired design. Okay, which will be influenced... Okay, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The iPad Air part was pointless.
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Like, and could have really come back to bite you badly.
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Yeah, you were adding like two conditions to the pic.
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So I put that in, I think, before some of the other iPad
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Air stuff got put in.
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So this makes sense in context without it.
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So the iPad Mini will be updated with a new design inspired
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by the iPad Pro design.
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This is bold.
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This is bold.
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This is risky.
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This is the product I personally would love to see.
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We want it to happen.
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I believe it will happen.
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I don't think it's happening next week.
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This is a product I want.
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The last rumor that we got about this product, I checked today as we were, shall we say,
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debating our picks. Yeah, one could suggest it was a debate. Minchi Kuo, friend of the show,
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said that this product was coming in 2021. So you are risking it all, my friend here,
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with the iPad Mini. I want to believe, man. But I do respect you, as I said before. Yeah,
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this is one of those picks that like sometimes you got to make a pick because it's what's in
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in your heart, you know? And like... A man of passion through and through reading. That's
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right. It is more risky than mics, I think. Yeah, you've made my passion look like a walk
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in the park, you know? Yeah. Yeah. This is... Okay, so, and it should be called the iPad
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Mini, right? Just to clarify, it's the new version of the iPad Mini. It's the iPad Mini
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line. Okay. I mean, if they updated the iPad Mini and they tweaked the name, then this
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wording is still correct. The iPad Mini was updated to something else. Let me ask you,
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what if it's flat sides but still with the home button? It is still inspired by the iPad Pro
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design because our definition was flat sides. We previously discussed flat sides as being enough
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for one of your picks. Okay, yes, I love this and good luck, I guess. I want it. I want it. Okay,
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So my risky pick is the following.
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I'm not picking anything iPad related myself.
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So the new Apple Watch Series 6--
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so the new, new Apple Watch--
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will have at least one new built-in app
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because of an exclusive feature of the new watch.
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So my thinking is the new watch is going to have something new,
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whether it's a new sensor or some other new tech,
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that enables a new built-in application
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in watchOS 7 for the new watch.
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So the precedent for this could be something
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like the ECG app, of course,
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that was only available for the watches
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that were capable of taking your ECG.
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So basically thinking along those lines,
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it's been rumored that this watch may have the ability
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to monitor your blood oxygen levels, for example.
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So there could be a separate utility for that.
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It was also rumored that this watch could have
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something related to stress detection
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or panic attack detection.
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So I'm thinking that this new watch
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has gotta have something new, right?
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I think it's time for the Apple Watch
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to start adding new sensors again,
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new hardware features again.
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And usually when that happens,
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there's usually like a new built-in app
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to go along with it.
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So that's my pick.
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The new Series 6 Apple Watch will have
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at least one new built-in app.
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- And this, just to clarify,
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I will offer the clarification that we all had earlier on
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in our discussions.
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This isn't a new feature in an existing application.
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This is straight up a new app
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that you can pick from the list, like the ECG app.
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The ECG app is what we're focusing on here.
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Like, if this watch has additional features
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inside of the fitness app, that does not count.
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This has to be a brand new application with its own icon, with its own name,
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which is pickable from the honeycomb on the list, that does not exist on any other watch.
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Like if they add a new application to watch OS 7 that's on the Series 5 and the Series 4,
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this does not count. It must be exclusive to the Series 6 Apple Watch.
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It has to be exclusive to the core.
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I'm not saying you need to hear this, but I just want to clarify it for people that will also be scoring the rookies.
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I guess the only... well this is where I need to draw a line myself, right?
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What if the lower end model also has this new sensor and the app is also available on
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the lower end model?
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Do I get the point or not?
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That's debatable.
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I think that's fine.
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Wait, say that again?
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An app that is new...
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Even if there's a new, brand new Apple Watch SE that also has this feature, Federico still
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gets the point.
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perfectly fine. So primarily I'm thinking that this app will not be available to the existing
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Apple watches, the Series 3, 4 and 5, right? This app will be exclusive to the Series 6, the new one.
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However, in the context of what if there's also the second new 2020 Apple watch that is the lower
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end model and that model also gets this new app. Do I get the point or not? That's...
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I think the way it's written now, I don't think you would. I think we should make an amendment
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to the pick which is that there will be a new built-in application for the Apple... for the new...
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for a new Apple Watch that has not existed on a previous Apple Watch. Like, oh we could just say
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a new Apple Watch has at least one new built-in application.
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Because of an exclusive feature? Yeah.
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Yeah, that could work. Okay.
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Okay. You want to tweak that?
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Yeah, I will do the tweaking, because I... and then you can agree if I already could.
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But yeah, so I think one of the new...
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A new Apple Watch has at least one new built-in application because of an exclusive feature
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of this watch.
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an exclusive feature not found on existing watches, I think is more clear.
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Then you change the wording again too. We're all working together on this. This is why
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we use Google Docs because it is instantly. A new Apple Watch has at least one new bill
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in app because of an exclusive feature not found on existing watches.
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Not found on existing watches, yes. I think it's risky enough, you know, saying that Apple
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is working on new built-in apps I think it's always quite risky itself. And we
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don't have any, like we haven't heard any specifics and we haven't seen any leaks
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in terms of like what's this new sensor gonna be exactly. So a new Apple Watch
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stuff, you know, because you don't have cases right for the Apple Watch that
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stuff doesn't leak like the hardware design and the internals of the
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watch. It's very hard to come by schematics for Apple Watch leaks and that kind of stuff.
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Well, it's like we were completely surprised by the Apple Watch's new features.
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Exactly, exactly.
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Nobody knew about the always-on or anything.
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We'd actually given up on it.
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Yeah, so a new built-in app. I think that's what's going to happen. And of course,
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I do not get the point if one of the existing apps gets renamed, I think. Agreed. Yeah, that's true.
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Because that doesn't hit that next part, right? Exactly. If ECG and heart rate get merged into a
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single heart app for the watch, I do not get the point, because those are existing things just
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changing their names. Yeah, and you would assume that that would find its way onto the other
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watches that have those sensors. Yeah, the second part of this, the exclusive feature,
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kind of helps enforce the point on that. So that's the end of the point scoring rounds.
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So we move into the inaugural Flexis round. So just as a reminder, the loser of the Flexis
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part of the competition will need to make a donation to a charity of the winner's choice
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based upon how many flexes they get wrong.
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Shall I just do my entire list of five?
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Alright, okay.
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That's what I thought.
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We would each just do all five of ours and we could just talk about them as we go.
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So, well this is interesting.
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One of my flexes is details of a new iPad mini, so we're going down together on this
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And it is worth pointing out that the flexes are just completely detached from the other
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ones so we can make pics like that.
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one is that someone will wash their hands during the presentation. I like that. Let
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me visualize this. This is like someone is washing their hands and then they turn and
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they're like "oh hi, didn't see you there" and they're just rinsing their hands. I thought
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it that way but I would like that. It was more as in like "oh look at me demoing the
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twenty second countdown thing of WatchOS 7" but yes, also that would count and I would
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like that even more. Kevin Lynch comes out of a bathroom stall and he's like "oh, hello!"
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A new non-pro iPad gets the second gen Apple Pencil.
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If they're all getting flat sides, then it would be wild not to.
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They're all getting pencils.
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WatchOS 7 gets a software feature we haven't seen yet.
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So Federico, me and you, we're on a wave there.
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And we get no specific date for iOS 14.
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He really is a good...
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Motion during the presentation.
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Our friend has returned to the fifth Lexi page.
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bracket we see this I think it's possible that I could win the Rickies
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and horrifically lose the flexes I think all right mine are jaws wears a non
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solid colored shirt wait what jaws wears yeah so what's just just wild shots
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that's his thing right yeah you know Phil Schiller wears like all green or
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all blue, Tim Cook wears all black, or whatever.
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- Just goes paisley all the time.
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- Yeah, or like Hawaiian or something, so.
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A non-solid colored shirt.
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The event looks mostly like WWDC,
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not all on stage in the theater,
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but using different parts of the campus
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or the outside world.
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- Outside world, huh?
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Doesn't look that safe in California right now.
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- Well, outside can also be inside if you're Apple Park.
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- Right, okay.
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That's a very good sentence.
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have an outside inside. Number three, Apple somehow sets expectations for when the iPhone
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will be announced. Ah, sort of like "see you soon" wink wink at the end? Yes. Okay. In fact,
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in my mind it's "hey we'll see you in a few weeks talking about the iPhone." Like, just say it.
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Okay. Because like we talked about earlier, that's a problem. Number four, the removal of 3D Touch
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and watchOS is framed as the inclusion of Haptic Touch.
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We've not taken anything away, we've added.
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The removal of 3D...
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I don't understand this.
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Okay, so they're going to do, in my mind again, they're doing a demo and like, "Oh, and now
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with Haptic Touch this is even easier."
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Alright, so first of all it's called Force Touch.
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Whatever, whatever it's called.
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The terrible thing they're taking out.
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The removal of Force Touch 3D.
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It's not called Force Touch.
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- It's pretty extreme. - Horse touch HD.
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Okay, in what is-- oh, so you're saying that they're gonna say,
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"And now we have even more--" oh, okay, okay.
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But wait, does it already have haptic touch?
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Not on 6. I was actually just trying it out.
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Like, if I rest my finger on the screen, nothing's happening.
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- Ah, okay, okay. - If I press down, things happen.
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I see what you mean. So that they're gonna do the thing where you long press,
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and it's like on the iPhone, where it's not 3D touch,
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it fakes with the... it's called force touch dude come on yeah okay I get it so it's more
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your flexi is more about the the way they're gonna frame it like yes okay okay okay yeah I get it yeah
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not that they're doing it but like how they approach it okay I get mine are all very meta
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by the way almost all of mine are about the event itself yes I noticed okay and the last one is
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Apple will preview fall Apple TV plus content. Okay. Yeah, do they have any well
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There's like season two of a bunch of stuff that's coming now
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Some of that production got delayed because it kovat but at least for all mankind is now back shooting
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So for mankind the kitties did the morning show
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Very unlikely, but they've all sales to have other content that they've put. Okay. Yeah. Okay
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Yeah, so it's not even necessarily season two, but just preview a fall Apple TV plus content
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The reason I put it here and not
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an iPhone event next month or whenever that's gonna be is that
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iPad plus Apple watch feels a little thin and
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I think if they're gonna do sound stuff like head pods or new home pod
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That would be with the phone and so I was like what else is kind of floating out there
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That they could put in with this and I just snatched Apple TV
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That's different thing. Could they put but like I mean, you know, I'm just gonna say too soon
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Big Sur is nowhere near ready and they said the end of the year. That's not September
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I'm not sure why people think that you have to ship things immediately. I'm not really sure well
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They're not gonna
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They're not gonna why would they take stage time on September 15th to say the new MacBook Air with Apple Silicon's gonna come out
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November 30th like yeah, it's gonna be later. I'm not saying they will do it. I'm just not saying they won't do it
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They're not going to I'm saying they're not doing it make that you're sick, but not then not a flexi make it
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I'll put you know what I'm gonna put it as a six flexi Michael you can have six go on
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minimum five, you can have as many as you want.
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Apple will not unveil additional details about the release.
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You know that by adding more, if you keep losing more, then you owe more money.
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Yeah, but that's how confident he feels.
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So, you know, this is about, this is the flexy part, isn't it?
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This is what you're flexing, like I'm so smart that I'm willing to put money on the line.
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I'm going to put money where my flexing is.
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True flex, but okay.
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That one slapped.
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Alright, Federico, take us home.
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My flexes are the following.
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The new iPad Air will support the Magic Keyboard.
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I really do feel like they want to make more money out of that thing, which is quite expensive
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to say the least.
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And the iPad Air will likely come with the smart connector, so why not?
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I think it's a year too soon.
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But we'll see.
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But I think I support the flex.
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I think, you know, I really do believe that they like the money coming in from the Magic
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Keyboards on the iPad Pro, and there could be a nicer balance between the iPad Air being
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a cheaper device and the Magic Keyboard for the Air also being slightly cheaper, so it's
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not like you wouldn't end up in a situation where...
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Let me posit this one thing to you.
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they're aware of the fact that they're selling more iPad Pros because of the Magic Keyboard.
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Right, that's the risk. That's the risk.
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Right, and so they make much more money that way.
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Like, they held the smart keyboard off for a while.
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That's true.
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That's true. But I also feel like it would be kind of strange if the iPad Air is getting
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the iPad Pro design, but it doesn't get... Yeah, I guess it can go...
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Well, then it could get a folio-designed keyboard instead of the current one.
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Maybe. So this is a passionate flexi.
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It's a passion flex.
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It's a passion flex. It's something you don't want to see in real life.
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The second flexi is Apple launches a new subscription service for virtual fitness classes.
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This has been rumored before on Bloomberg.
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This fitness service should also become part eventually of the Apple One bundle that Gurman
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reported on a few weeks ago. And I think, I mean, this is the perfect idea for 2020,
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right? Everybody's staying home now and you can follow virtual fitness classes on your phone,
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iPad and Apple TV. I think it makes sense. And I would like to say that this is going to be
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the Apple Music presentation of 2020. That's possible. They're going to spend way too much
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time showing it off. Yes. And it's, you know, like Steven, you were wondering, what are they
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going to fill time with? They're going to show us six different exercise classes. That's what
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Yeah, and I think it makes perfect sense in the context of the activity app becoming Fitness.
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It's now been renamed as Fitness and oddly enough right now the Fitness app only has
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two tabs at the bottom which is kind of weird.
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It feels kind of odd and empty and obviously that's because I really believe like a new
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fitness plus or whatever it is called tab will slot in nicely right there in the middle
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so that you can take your virtual classes.
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The third one, I believe Apple will start showcasing at least one new feature coming
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in either, I should say, iOS or iPadOS 14.1.
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So taking the opposite approach of Michael here and saying not only are they wrapping
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up work on iOS 14. They're done. They're going to give us a release date. They're also going
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to say something, and this was also coming in 14.1, and I wouldn't put past them to actually
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say there's a beta of 14.1. Or maybe they will not say it.
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What do you think this would be? Do you have any idea? I'm just intrigued.
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I don't have any ideas myself. I could see them reinstating some of the files stuff that
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they showcased last year and never put back. Like for example, the ability to pin files.
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That still hasn't found its way back to iOS and iPadOS. It was announced at WWDC 2019 and
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then it was removed. Or the virtual fitness classes could also be 14.1. I do think that
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they are saving some stuff for the, they're wrapping up work on 14 and they're saving
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some stuff for 14.1. It's something that happened before. We've seen them do this before. We've
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seen them actually, I think also last year maybe they did this or was it iOS 12 where
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they give us the GM for the .0 version. This is 13. But also the beta for .1. Because everyone
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was on the beta for 13.1 and it was difficult to get back onto the GM 13. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
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So in the fourth pick, sort of on the lines of Steven, at least one segment of the keynote
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will be shot inside Apple's own fitness labs.
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So the fancy gym that they have, especially in the context of the Apple Watch, and if
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they do announce the fitness service, I think they're going to show it off.
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And we took all these tests and all this machinery and equipment that we have and we took hundreds
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of studies and whatnot.
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And I'm sure they're very happy and proud to show off the amazing fitness center, right?
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the few photos and videos that we got in previous years it looked incredible. So they do have
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a swimming pool inside, right? I'm sure they do. I think they showed it off. Yeah, anyway.
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And lastly iOS 14 launches in September. I do think that will give us a release date
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And I can actually, this is not part of the flexies, but I will give you my personal non-flexy
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And it's just an opinion on it.
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I think it's either going to be the 23rd or the 30th.
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One of the two.
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If they want to be super aggressive, the 23rd.
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If they want to be slightly more chill about it, the end of the month, the last day of
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I think it's gonna be a Wednesday and I think it should either the 23rd or the 30th
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but that's not part of the FlexSeed, the FlexSeed selfies iOS 14 is coming out in
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September. That is just my... yeah. I think that does it. I think we did it. I think
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we've picked everything that can be picked. We have FlexSeed, we have Rickied.
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I M Y K E mr. I Myke over there Myke name a show on a different network that
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you don't host this is getting cheekier by the week my brother my brother and me
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Okay, Myke is not part of that show in any way. You can find Federico on Twitter.
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I also want to start naming something.
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I'm gonna ask you questions to get to know you better. Federico, what's your favorite color?
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Red yeah, okay, that makes sense
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Why what why does it make sense?
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Because the websites read pasta sauce is red. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I know this
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